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Late reply here! They were good but not life-changing- the Slam tent wasn't exactly the most sympathetic of venues- the first 20 mins of UR tracks went down like 2 lead balloons (Final Frontier, Numers cover etc) with the kids. The next 40 mins went a little better as the Los Harmanos stuff is more House oriented and so is more accesible for a crowd of this nature. They did their best but ultimately the people who went to see them expecting UR live were SORELY dissapointed (I found myself defending them against quite a few attacks afterwards despite not really being that overwhelmed with the show such was the ferocity of some peoples' opinions) and the rest of the crowd (who didn't know who UR/G2G/Los Hermanos are) just kind of chugged along with them for a while without giving it too much attention- don't think it brought them many new fans and I know quite a few people in whose estimations they defintely went down a little cheers Jason On 12 Jul 2006, at 10:33, David Beattie wrote: Talking of Los Hermanos they were playing at T in the Park on Sunday there are meant to be sets online here http://www.bbc.co.uk/ scotland/musicscotland/tinthepark/ but I cant see any of the dance acts at the moment May and Mills were playing the Slam tent as well - might be worth checking to see if any of the sets come online. I havnt spoken to anyone who went so cant say if they were any good or not Cheers BT
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Posted on behalf of Paul -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick Sent: 20 July 2006 11:14 To: 'Jason Brunton'; David Beattie Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to. It's a shame that UR seem to want to only play festivals and venues like Fabric in the UK. Its not working obviously. When LH played in London the other week there was a fight at the front just before they came on, if these are the people UR really want to play to then I'm shocked. I tried to book them last year or the year before ( I cant remember 100%) when the Leeds gig fell apart but Banks just didn't want to know about a London gig. Shame coz I had a wicked venue lined up. I think UR have the wrong impression of the UK crowd and feel they can only play to these audience, which is not the case. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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It's a shame that UR seem to want to only play festivals and venues like Fabric in the UK. Its not working obviously. I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! When LH played in London the other week there was a fight at the front just before they came on, if these are the people UR really want to play to then I'm shocked. This is way beyond their control and you can't really level this as an argument at them I believe. I tried to book them last year or the year before ( I cant remember 100%) when the Leeds gig fell apart but Banks just didn't want to know about a London gig. Shame coz I had a wicked venue lined up. It is a shame but if he doesn't want to do something, that's his call really. I think UR have the wrong impression of the UK crowd and feel they can only play to these audience, which is not the case. How so, they played all different kinds of venues across Europe and the UK, so I'd say that this isn't the case. m
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but is it proper techno though? i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one!
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On 20 Jul 2006, at 13:45, fab. wrote: but is it proper techno though? I would say so... i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one!
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Hey, at least they showed up, unlike their Mutek appearance. On Jul 20, 2006, at 8:36, Paul Kendrick wrote: The Problem with playing a venue like fabric is the people on the dance floor would problem tell you they don't like techno even when there dancing to it. Its that type of crowd. There not there for the music, they seem to be more into fighting and taking drugs. The reason I think it's a shame is other promoters would love the chance to put them on but don't get the opportunity. I think Fabric was a bad move for them in London. Although I did really enjoyed the gig. You think they may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late, its there call and it seems they not be doing there home work that well. LH at glade is a silly move for starters, hence they played to hardly any one. And just so you know, I think there great and Im not having a go, it could just be a lot better. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 13:23 To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... It's a shame that UR seem to want to only play festivals and venues like Fabric in the UK. Its not working obviously. I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! When LH played in London the other week there was a fight at the front just before they came on, if these are the people UR really want to play to then I'm shocked. This is way beyond their control and you can't really level this as an argument at them I believe. I tried to book them last year or the year before ( I cant remember 100%) when the Leeds gig fell apart but Banks just didn't want to know about a London gig. Shame coz I had a wicked venue lined up. It is a shame but if he doesn't want to do something, that's his call really. I think UR have the wrong impression of the UK crowd and feel they can only play to these audience, which is not the case. How so, they played all different kinds of venues across Europe and the UK, so I'd say that this isn't the case. m -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m *** Strange, I'm certainly an 'old head'; old arms, legs and torso too, but I happen to think the drift to more 'live' elements in performance of techno (whatever genre name it's hiding behind) is the best thing that's happened to it for years. If it's agreed that music is very largely about performance, then how could it be a bad thing? Just my two pennies worth, K
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Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 12:57 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... On 20 Jul 2006, at 13:45, fab. wrote: but is it proper techno though? I would say so... i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Moo! Well I wouldn't be so harsh myself Rob. I mean, even despite the fact that I agree what you're saying raises an important point, isn't it better for UR in some form to be playing somewhere, than nowhere at all? You can be sure that lots of possibilities were discussed before what actually happened occurred, and similar discussions are ongoing, take it from me. There are lots of variables to consider and it really isn't so cut and dried (these days?) as to where a worthwhile bunch a people can get a worthwhile gig at a particular space in time ... tomorrow it might well be the 'so-called underground' (Plus don't forget the Outlet thing!) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:27 To: Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 12:57 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... On 20 Jul 2006, at 13:45, fab. wrote: but is it proper techno though? I would say so... i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. Ouch and you have a point Rob, UR have gone through a lot of changes and ones I believe they've had to because of the times, I mean, now isn't a good time to be traveling through customs with a case full of combats and ski masks is it I don't think UR are refusing underground promoters, they just don't want to play London as far as I can tell... m
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We (outlet) tried to booked them and got a no! But then for them to play the cattle market as LH a year latter is wack. So they have had other options. And its a full circle, coz we're now doing a UR party, but again were told we could not have G2G or Time Line. Its a bit like, you can do a UR party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 14:33 To: Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Moo! Well I wouldn't be so harsh myself Rob. I mean, even despite the fact that I agree what you're saying raises an important point, isn't it better for UR in some form to be playing somewhere, than nowhere at all? You can be sure that lots of possibilities were discussed before what actually happened occurred, and similar discussions are ongoing, take it from me. There are lots of variables to consider and it really isn't so cut and dried (these days?) as to where a worthwhile bunch a people can get a worthwhile gig at a particular space in time ... tomorrow it might well be the 'so-called underground' (Plus don't forget the Outlet thing!) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:27 To: Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 12:57 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... On 20 Jul 2006, at 13:45, fab. wrote: but is it proper techno though? I would say so... i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I'm 96.4239-percent (and the 9 is recurring) certain there's no 'no London' policy. Obviously it's going to happen. The question is when. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 14:43 To: Odeluga, Ken; Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... We (outlet) tried to booked them and got a no! But then for them to play the cattle market as LH a year latter is wack. So they have had other options. And its a full circle, coz we're now doing a UR party, but again were told we could not have G2G or Time Line. Its a bit like, you can do a UR party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 14:33 To: Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Moo! Well I wouldn't be so harsh myself Rob. I mean, even despite the fact that I agree what you're saying raises an important point, isn't it better for UR in some form to be playing somewhere, than nowhere at all? You can be sure that lots of possibilities were discussed before what actually happened occurred, and similar discussions are ongoing, take it from me. There are lots of variables to consider and it really isn't so cut and dried (these days?) as to where a worthwhile bunch a people can get a worthwhile gig at a particular space in time ... tomorrow it might well be the 'so-called underground' (Plus don't forget the Outlet thing!) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:27 To: Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 12:57 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... On 20 Jul 2006, at 13:45, fab. wrote: but is it proper techno though? I would say so... i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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The golden question. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 14:51 To: Paul Kendrick; Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... I'm 96.4239-percent (and the 9 is recurring) certain there's no 'no London' policy. Obviously it's going to happen. The question is when. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 14:43 To: Odeluga, Ken; Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... We (outlet) tried to booked them and got a no! But then for them to play the cattle market as LH a year latter is wack. So they have had other options. And its a full circle, coz we're now doing a UR party, but again were told we could not have G2G or Time Line. Its a bit like, you can do a UR party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 14:33 To: Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Moo! Well I wouldn't be so harsh myself Rob. I mean, even despite the fact that I agree what you're saying raises an important point, isn't it better for UR in some form to be playing somewhere, than nowhere at all? You can be sure that lots of possibilities were discussed before what actually happened occurred, and similar discussions are ongoing, take it from me. There are lots of variables to consider and it really isn't so cut and dried (these days?) as to where a worthwhile bunch a people can get a worthwhile gig at a particular space in time ... tomorrow it might well be the 'so-called underground' (Plus don't forget the Outlet thing!) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:27 To: Martin Dust; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 12:57 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... On 20 Jul 2006, at 13:45, fab. wrote: but is it proper techno though? I would say so... i havent seen UR Live but i have seen UR presents Timeline Live and it was a live funk jam more than anything else. Alot of people were not aware of the project and thought they were going to see UR people play live techno and came away very disappointed. Could that be the reason people are not responding positively? I guess some of the old heads could be disappointed, but it's interesting, no? m I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format, this is something that Dan Sicko hinted at in his book and seems to me like the next logical step to, at the very least, making a difference. They may have been unlucky with some of their slots of late but then again who here hasn't at one time or another played to an empty room or been in one! # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m
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The gig was pulled from the show at the last minute because when Mike got into London and saw the venue Ranx (the promoter guy) had booked, he said it was not suitable for the live show, so they moved it to another venue and they still didn't play live, I would think it was just not right. the Press conference was funny with the lights out. Because they turned them on at the end when the boys were still in the room, ha-ha. Good night though Rolando and Pennington killed it. I just wish they would play London so I could get to see the show...selfish really. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:03 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m
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That one was a bit unfortunate- there were a few problems internally with the band which have (hopefully) all been ironed out now. Jason On 20 Jul 2006, at 14:22, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: Hey, at least they showed up, unlike their Mutek appearance.
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They also need to make money- it costs a fair bit to fly 6 people from the US and they have a pretty extensive equipment list too AND they need a pretty big stage for the current band- I take your point about playing at clubs like Fabric- there were many people up here who said the same when they played the Arches and also at the Slam tent at T In The Park- teh Arches gig worked pretty well I thought, the Slam tent one, not so much Jason On 20 Jul 2006, at 14:40, Martin Dust wrote: Well it's all very well huffing and puffing about being underground, but it's a little rich when they refuse to play for underground promoters in London and instead play at a soulless cattlemarket that's the clubbing equivalent of Sony. Ouch and you have a point Rob, UR have gone through a lot of changes and ones I believe they've had to because of the times, I mean, now isn't a good time to be traveling through customs with a case full of combats and ski masks is it I don't think UR are refusing underground promoters, they just don't want to play London as far as I can tell... m
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Alright- here's my longstanding beef with this. Everyone is entitled to demand proper equipment and sound to deliver the best performance. I understand this. However, when one is an act whose complete music sales make up a small niche of the market and you yourself are an act who has even smaller record sales- is it reallyfair?to do such a huffy dance? If the promoter delivers on EVERYTHING as specified in the contract and then the act shows up and says 'uh no not good enough' when said act is charging a large amount of money and ammenities, it just seems a bit _wrong_ (and I know the music industry doesn't rotate on an axis of morals) to stomp around and say 'no we're not doing this, but thanks for flying us across the pond and putting us up in the hotel...see ya'. This is in NO WAY a personal attack on anyone...so please no panties in bunches. I'm just trying to grasp this because I've seen this happen before in electronic music, and when this microniche makes up such a small % of overall sales it all seems silly to me. fire away. d --- Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gig was pulled from the show at the last minute because when Mike got into London and saw the venue Ranx (the promoter guy) had booked, he said it was not suitable for the live show, so they moved it to another venue and they still didn't play live, I would think it was just not right. the Press conference was funny with the lights out. Because they turned them on at the end when the boys were still in the room, ha-ha. Good night though Rolando and Pennington killed it. I just wish they would play London so I could get to see the show...selfish really. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:03 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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why do you assume ur has small record sales? i'm sure they do decent enough. huge in japan. i'm sure it costs a fortune to fly them around etc. probably 4 or 5 thousand dollars minumum just covering expenses. so they dont need just proper equipment and sound, but proper PLACE -- i think these guys are conscientious and don't want to play anywhere where the capacity just isn't big enough..they don't want anyone losing their a$$ putting them on. and they don't wanna be f*cked over either. if they are promised x amount of money to cover their expenses (and some actual compensation for all their talent and hard work is nice too), and they show up and the venue obviously isnt gonna hold an audience large enough for the place to make that x amount...i'd back out too if i were them. i realize promoting and booking is a tough business, but any performer out there knows that even the nicest promoters/bookers put quite a sunny spin on things. sometimes it works out often it doesnt.. -Original Message- From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 20, 2006 10:34 AM To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Alright- here's my longstanding beef with this. Everyone is entitled to demand proper equipment and sound to deliver the best performance. I understand this. However, when one is an act whose complete music sales make up a small niche of the market and you yourself are an act who has even smaller record sales- is it reallyfair?to do such a huffy dance? If the promoter delivers on EVERYTHING as specified in the contract and then the act shows up and says 'uh no not good enough' when said act is charging a large amount of money and ammenities, it just seems a bit _wrong_ (and I know the music industry doesn't rotate on an axis of morals) to stomp around and say 'no we're not doing this, but thanks for flying us across the pond and putting us up in the hotel...see ya'. This is in NO WAY a personal attack on anyone...so please no panties in bunches. I'm just trying to grasp this because I've seen this happen before in electronic music, and when this microniche makes up such a small % of overall sales it all seems silly to me. fire away. d --- Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gig was pulled from the show at the last minute because when Mike got into London and saw the venue Ranx (the promoter guy) had booked, he said it was not suitable for the live show, so they moved it to another venue and they still didn't play live, I would think it was just not right. the Press conference was funny with the lights out. Because they turned them on at the end when the boys were still in the room, ha-ha. Good night though Rolando and Pennington killed it. I just wish they would play London so I could get to see the show...selfish really. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:03 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format Eh, but the people who are into a band format (in the US) are, most likely, not going to be into this music. There are no choruses, refrains, bridges, and all the other trappings of a regular 3 minutes per song band. There just isn't as much cross-over here as there is outside the US. MEK
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I don't want those people liking their music - I like my niche small and undergound! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:15 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Robert Taylor Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... I think it's a brave move and probably a good way to present Techno, especially in the USA - where people are more accepting of the band format Eh, but the people who are into a band format (in the US) are, most likely, not going to be into this music. There are no choruses, refrains, bridges, and all the other trappings of a regular 3 minutes per song band. There just isn't as much cross-over here as there is outside the US. MEK # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Uh, if they back out after being flown there with all the gear and promotion and etc. the promoter *definitely* isn't going to be making any money. If the promoter wants to lose his/her pants just to be able to have their 5 friends finally see the band play - well then the band should do what any good band does - Get Up On Stage and Play Your Heart OUT. If they refuse to play then they need to reimburse the promoter for everything and then apologize to everyone for their pickiness. If the place truly is a sh!thole well that's a different story. MEK J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/20/2006 09:54:36 AM: why do you assume ur has small record sales? i'm sure they do decent enough. huge in japan. i'm sure it costs a fortune to fly them around etc. probably 4 or 5 thousand dollars minumum just covering expenses. so they dont need just proper equipment and sound, but proper PLACE -- i think these guys are conscientious and don't want to play anywhere where the capacity just isn't big enough..they don't want anyone losing their a$$ putting them on. and they don't wanna be f*cked over either. if they are promised x amount of money to cover their expenses (and some actual compensation for all their talent and hard work is nice too), and they show up and the venue obviously isnt gonna hold an audience large enough for the place to make that x amount...i'd back out too if i were them. i realize promoting and booking is a tough business, but any performer out there knows that even the nicest promoters/bookers put quite a sunny spin on things. sometimes it works out often it doesnt.. -Original Message- From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 20, 2006 10:34 AM To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Alright- here's my longstanding beef with this. Everyone is entitled to demand proper equipment and sound to deliver the best performance. I understand this. However, when one is an act whose complete music sales make up a small niche of the market and you yourself are an act who has even smaller record sales- is it reallyfair?to do such a huffy dance? If the promoter delivers on EVERYTHING as specified in the contract and then the act shows up and says 'uh no not good enough' when said act is charging a large amount of money and ammenities, it just seems a bit _wrong_ (and I know the music industry doesn't rotate on an axis of morals) to stomp around and say 'no we're not doing this, but thanks for flying us across the pond and putting us up in the hotel...see ya'. This is in NO WAY a personal attack on anyone...so please no panties in bunches. I'm just trying to grasp this because I've seen this happen before in electronic music, and when this microniche makes up such a small % of overall sales it all seems silly to me. fire away. d --- Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gig was pulled from the show at the last minute because when Mike got into London and saw the venue Ranx (the promoter guy) had booked, he said it was not suitable for the live show, so they moved it to another venue and they still didn't play live, I would think it was just not right. the Press conference was funny with the lights out. Because they turned them on at the end when the boys were still in the room, ha-ha. Good night though Rolando and Pennington killed it. I just wish they would play London so I could get to see the show...selfish really. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:03 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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The 1997 UR gig when the set was pulled, had unusually problems I think and if it wont work then don't do it half ass'ed, was the decision made I would say. But I think it may have left a bad taste in UR's mouth hence no shows since. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 16:26 To: J.T. Cc: 313 Detroit; diana potts Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Uh, if they back out after being flown there with all the gear and promotion and etc. the promoter *definitely* isn't going to be making any money. If the promoter wants to lose his/her pants just to be able to have their 5 friends finally see the band play - well then the band should do what any good band does - Get Up On Stage and Play Your Heart OUT. If they refuse to play then they need to reimburse the promoter for everything and then apologize to everyone for their pickiness. If the place truly is a sh!thole well that's a different story. MEK J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/20/2006 09:54:36 AM: why do you assume ur has small record sales? i'm sure they do decent enough. huge in japan. i'm sure it costs a fortune to fly them around etc. probably 4 or 5 thousand dollars minumum just covering expenses. so they dont need just proper equipment and sound, but proper PLACE -- i think these guys are conscientious and don't want to play anywhere where the capacity just isn't big enough..they don't want anyone losing their a$$ putting them on. and they don't wanna be f*cked over either. if they are promised x amount of money to cover their expenses (and some actual compensation for all their talent and hard work is nice too), and they show up and the venue obviously isnt gonna hold an audience large enough for the place to make that x amount...i'd back out too if i were them. i realize promoting and booking is a tough business, but any performer out there knows that even the nicest promoters/bookers put quite a sunny spin on things. sometimes it works out often it doesnt.. -Original Message- From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 20, 2006 10:34 AM To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) did anyone go to... Alright- here's my longstanding beef with this. Everyone is entitled to demand proper equipment and sound to deliver the best performance. I understand this. However, when one is an act whose complete music sales make up a small niche of the market and you yourself are an act who has even smaller record sales- is it reallyfair?to do such a huffy dance? If the promoter delivers on EVERYTHING as specified in the contract and then the act shows up and says 'uh no not good enough' when said act is charging a large amount of money and ammenities, it just seems a bit _wrong_ (and I know the music industry doesn't rotate on an axis of morals) to stomp around and say 'no we're not doing this, but thanks for flying us across the pond and putting us up in the hotel...see ya'. This is in NO WAY a personal attack on anyone...so please no panties in bunches. I'm just trying to grasp this because I've seen this happen before in electronic music, and when this microniche makes up such a small % of overall sales it all seems silly to me. fire away. d --- Paul Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gig was pulled from the show at the last minute because when Mike got into London and saw the venue Ranx (the promoter guy) had booked, he said it was not suitable for the live show, so they moved it to another venue and they still didn't play live, I would think it was just not right. the Press conference was funny with the lights out. Because they turned them on at the end when the boys were still in the room, ha-ha. Good night though Rolando and Pennington killed it. I just wish they would play London so I could get to see the show...selfish really. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2006 15:03 To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) did anyone go to... party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Back in 99 or 2000 I think with a guy called Ranx organising it- bit chaotic as I recall Jason On 20 Jul 2006, at 15:03, Martin Dust wrote: party but your not a load the act that's NEVER been to London. But surly that the act the punters want to see? Haven't they played London once? I seem to remember them doing a press conference with the lights off m
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Talking of Los Hermanos they were playing at T in the Park on Sunday there are meant to be sets online here http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/musicscotland/tinthepark/ but I cant see any of the dance acts at the moment May and Mills were playing the Slam tent as well - might be worth checking to see if any of the sets come online. I havnt spoken to anyone who went so cant say if they were any good or not Cheers BT Nope, but I caught Los Hermanos, Sleeparchive and DJ S2 at Fabric on Saturday. Los Hermanos were wicked. When I was in Berlin in September I only got to catch the last three tracks, so was really happy to see the whole show, even if the crowd was quite Fabric-y. They really went for it live and they played really well as a band. I also had a couple of friends visiting from Detroit, who were really happy to see these guys in London. They really enjoyed it as well. I only caught a bit of S2 before-hand. He was good, and very tight in the mix, but I was pretty exhausted, so I only checked him for a bit. Sleeparchive was good, but I didn't hear that wicked new song of his that he played at the last Lost, which is doope! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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Hi Fab, I really wanted to go, was in Amsterdam on a stag do and couldnt convince the rest of the people to go there, I dont know the city and was told by those who do that it was too far out of the centre. So instead I ended up in somewhere close to hell called Meikbar (I think). But as the best man I couldnt really desert the party. Cheers BT - Original Message From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 July, 2006 4:20:24 PM Subject: (313) did anyone go to. Hi friends, (sorry but i couldnt think of a short meaningful subject) Did anyone go to the Berlin Underground party with Daniel Bell on saturday in Amsterdam? i was meant to go...just wondering what it was like fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. np: luciano - present dc-10 sessions
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- Original Message - From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: (313) did anyone go to. Hi friends, (sorry but i couldnt think of a short meaningful subject) Did anyone go to the Berlin Underground party with Daniel Bell on saturday in Amsterdam? i was meant to go...just wondering what it was like Nope, but I caught Los Hermanos, Sleeparchive and DJ S2 at Fabric on Saturday. Los Hermanos were wicked. When I was in Berlin in September I only got to catch the last three tracks, so was really happy to see the whole show, even if the crowd was quite Fabric-y. They really went for it live and they played really well as a band. I also had a couple of friends visiting from Detroit, who were really happy to see these guys in London. They really enjoyed it as well. I only caught a bit of S2 before-hand. He was good, and very tight in the mix, but I was pretty exhausted, so I only checked him for a bit. Sleeparchive was good, but I didn't hear that wicked new song of his that he played at the last Lost, which is doope! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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The Synch festival in Greece? I went last year with 2 friends and loved it with only the odd reservation. Would really have liked to have gone again this time (the line-up looked good) but I'm always repeating myself in my travels [ Berlin, Brazil - I wonder why ;-) ] plus I'm not sure I'd have had company this year and didn't want to do it solo. So how was it? (sure somebody was there - Giannis?). The Thursday - Saturday timetable looked like a good idea - how was that? Was it unbearably hot in the Machines room again? Lets have the low down!
