Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Looks like part of the confusion is just the website's design, to me! The "library" seems to be more of a general collection of techno history (with some Black perspectives, some not), but "writings from a [B]lack perspective" appears at the top of every page since it's the site name? (The "blog" seems to be much more about Black perspectives than just the list of techno-centric writing, IMO) On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: > > Dweller Electronics > > writings from a black perspective > > Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and > documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this > library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. > > It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > “Audio/Visual”. > > https://dwellerforever.blog/library >
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > > > >> understand one another.We have to come together like buttcheeks > > > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > > > >> daily basis.We're all here on this list for the music first-But > > > we > > > >> can also learn from each other. > > > >> > > > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.FBK out. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > > > >> mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > > >> > > > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > > > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > > > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > > >> > > > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > > > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > > > >> > > > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > > > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > > > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > > > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.And > > > not > > > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > > > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > > > >> > > > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > > > >> time with complaints about other list members.Those are private, > > > >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. > > > >> > > > >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship > > > >> dealing with black music, and no one should. > > > >> > > > >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it > > > >> about you, not about the music or the people. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net > > > (mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net)> wrote: > > > >> Allgxxd > > > >> > > > >> I hear you essay > > > >> > > > >> Cheers > > > >> > > > >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > > > >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > > > >>> > > > >>> -- Forwarded message - > > > >>> From: DANIEL BEAN > > (mailto:danbean@gmail.com)> > > > >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > > > >>> To: Denise Dalphond > > (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> > > > >>> > > > >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow > > > >> ignore > > > >>> race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) > > > >> is > > > >>> ludicrous, especially at the moment. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond > > > >>> mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. > > > >> Did > > > >>>> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart > > > >> of > > > >>>> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. > > > >>>> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help > > > >> her > > > >>>> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it > > > >>>> professionally. So, s. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what > > > >> is > > > >>>> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
gt;> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of >>> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >>> >> >>> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >>> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >>> >> >>> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never >>> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list >>> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with >>> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not >>> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally >>> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. >>> >> >>> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the >>> >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, >>> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. >>> >> >>> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship >>> >> dealing with black music, and no one should. >>> >> >>> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it >>> >> about you, not about the music or the people. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >>> >> Allgxxd >>> >> >>> >> I hear you essay >>> >> >>> >> Cheers >>> >> >>> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message - >>> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN >>> >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> >>> To: Denise Dalphond >>> >>> >>> >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow >>> >> ignore >>> >>> race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) >>> >> is >>> >>> ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. >>> >> Did >>> >>>> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart >>> >> of >>> >>>> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >>> >>>> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help >>> >> her >>> >>>> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >>> >>>> professionally. So, s. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what >>> >> is >>> >>>> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Denise Dalphond >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump >>> >> on? >>> >>>> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >>> >>>> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow >>> >> division >>> >>>> between people by this racebaiting. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black >>> >> or >>> >>>> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >>> >>>> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >>> >>>> life. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >>> >>>> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time >>> >> and >>> >>>> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move >>> >> forward >>> >>>> in time, the more I realize that the future about this >>> >> technological >>> >>>> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the >>> >> origins >>> >>>> of Techno in the Motorcity. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What >>> >> do >>> >>>> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the >>> >> Dancecult >>> >>>> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Denise >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dweller Electronics >>> >>>> >>> >>>> writings from a black perspective >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >>> >>>> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We >>> >> have >>> >>>> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find >>> >> more >>> >>>> relevant work. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” >>> >> and >>> >>>> “Audio/Visual”. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>> >>> ethnomusicologist >>> >>> schoolcraftwax.work [1] [1] >>> >>> >>> >>> Links: >>> >>> -- >>> >>> [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >>> > >>> > -- >>> > FBK >>> > >>> > Absoloop/Orange 82 >>> > >>> > >>> > Links: >>> > -- >>> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >>> >>> -- >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
gt; >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally >> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. >> >> >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the >> >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, >> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. >> >> >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship >> >> dealing with black music, and no one should. >> >> >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it >> >> about you, not about the music or the people. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >> Allgxxd >> >> >> >> I hear you essay >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> >>> >> >>> -- Forwarded message - >> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN >> >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >> >>> To: Denise Dalphond >> >>> >> >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow >> >> ignore >> >>> race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) >> >> is >> >>> ludicrous, especially at the moment. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. >> >> Did >> >>>> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart >> >> of >> >>>> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >> >>>> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help >> >> her >> >>>> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >> >>>> professionally. So, s. >> >>>> >> >>>> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what >> >> is >> >>>> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >> >>>> >> >>>> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >> >>>> >> >>>> Denise Dalphond >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump >> >> on? >> >>>> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >> >>>> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow >> >> division >> >>>> between people by this racebaiting. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black >> >> or >> >>>> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >> >>>> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >> >>>> life. >> >>>> >> >>>> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >> >>>> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time >> >> and >> >>>> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move >> >> forward >> >>>> in time, the more I realize that the future about this >> >> technological >> >>>> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the >> >> origins >> >>>> of Techno in the Motorcity. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What >> >> do >> >>>> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the >> >> Dancecult >> >>>> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >>>> >> >>>> Denise >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Dweller Electronics >> >>>> >> >>>> writings from a black perspective >> >>>> >> >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >> >>>> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We >> >> have >> >>>> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find >> >> more >> >>>> relevant work. >> >>>> >> >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” >> >> and >> >>>> “Audio/Visual”. >> >>>> >> >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> >>> -- >> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >> >>> ethnomusicologist >> >>> schoolcraftwax.work [1] [1] >> >>> >> >>> Links: >> >>> -- >> >>> [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >> > >> > -- >> > FBK >> > >> > Absoloop/Orange 82 >> > >> > >> > Links: >> > -- >> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >> >> -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work >
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know where we are right here. Denise On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > basis of being a female black academic. > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > $0.02 > > B-) > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > You said it well. > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > posting that on-list. > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > wrote: > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > >> when I can. > >> > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > >> some we're not. > >> > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > >> > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > >> > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > >> > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > >> share are in some way not. > >> > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we > >> can also learn from each other. > >> > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > >> wrote: > >> > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > >> > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > >> > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > >> > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > >> > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. > >> > >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholar
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
The Associated Press now capitalizes the B in Black, so proper grammar would be Black female scholar. However, I’m white. I’m more welcome here because I’m smarter and prettier. Denise Dalphond On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > basis of being a female black academic. > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > $0.02 > > B-) > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > You said it well. > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > posting that on-list. > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > wrote: > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > >> when I can. > >> > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > >> some we're not. > >> > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > >> > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > >> > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > >> > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > >> share are in some way not. > >> > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we > >> can also learn from each other. > >> > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > >> wrote: > >> > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > >> > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > >> > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > >> > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > >> > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > >> but regular list members only see what's on t
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the basis of being a female black academic. Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. $0.02 B-) On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: You said it well. Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that on-list. I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me directly, I'll read and respond. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I can. For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can be messy. DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from each other. I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: On the one hand, Denise has valid points. On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without making other people want to leave the 313 list. I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' uncomfortable. I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list members only see what's on the list. No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing with black music, and no one should. But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about you, not about the music or the people. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: Allgxxd I hear you essay Cheers On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: DANIEL BEAN Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And wh
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
That’s the worst part about you. Your commitment to not admitting when/that you (God forbid) could have been wrong or handled something the wrong way: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3Famp On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:24 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read > this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly. > > This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I > asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it. > That's it. Relax. > > > > *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* > *ethnomusicologist* > *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for >> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black >> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned >> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of >> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that >> make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' >> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' >> uncomfortable. >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time >> with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular >> list members only see what's on the list. >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing >> with black music, and no one should. >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about >> you, not about the music or the people. >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Allgxxd >>> >>> I hear you essay >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> > >>> > -- Forwarded message - >>> > From: DANIEL BEAN >>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> > To: Denise Dalphond >>> > >>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >>> >> professionally. So, s. >>> >> >>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >>> >> >>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >>> >> >>> >> Denise Dalphond >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? >>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division >>> >> between people by this racebaiting. >>> >> >>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or >>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >>> >> life. >>> >> >>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >>> >&
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Jesus wept. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 1:24 AM Denise Dalphond wrote: > I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read > this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly. > > >>> >>>
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I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly. This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it. That's it. Relax. *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* *ethnomusicologist* *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: > On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for > the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black > artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without > making other people want to leave the 313 list. > > I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned > anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of > its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that > make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' > uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' > uncomfortable. > > I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with > complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list > members only see what's on the list. > > No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing > with black music, and no one should. > > But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about > you, not about the music or the people. > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Allgxxd >> >> I hear you essay >> >> Cheers >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> > >> > -- Forwarded message - >> > From: DANIEL BEAN >> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >> > To: Denise Dalphond >> > >> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >> >> professionally. So, s. >> >> >> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >> >> >> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >> >> >> >> Denise Dalphond >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? >> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division >> >> between people by this racebaiting. >> >> >> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or >> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >> >> life. >> >> >> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and >> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward >> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological >> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins >> >> of Techno in the Motorcity. >> >> >> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do >> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult >> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >> >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dweller Electronics >> >> >> >> writings from a black perspective >> >> >> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >> >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have >> >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more >> >> relevant work. >> >> >> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >> >> “Audio/Visual”. >> >> >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> > -- >> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >> > ethnomusicologist >> > schoolcraftwax.work [1] >> > >> > Links: >> > -- >> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >> >>
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I'm really looking forward to checking out those links from the first two emails. Thanks to Andrew and Denise for sharing. Are there any particular favourites from those who have got into them? Sjoerd it seems absolutely WILD to me that you can ostensibly say 'keep politics out of dance music' (I quote "The last time I've seen talk about techno music .. well, I can't remember the last time (techno) music", "Social Justice Bandwagon"). You also speak about racism against white people because someone said "whitesplaining" - really, now, at a time LIKE THIS you're making that an issue?! You then sign out "Stay UR", pf. It looks a certain way. I feel somewhat uneasy that, on a Detroit Techno list, people are more willing to chip on Denise's tone. It would probably be better if people managed to find Denise's well meaning posts less offensive, or simply ignored them. There are certainly those who find offense way beyond measure. Then the flame war starts. Every time one of these arguments breaks out the blame is laid by many at her door, often unfairly. These arguments take up way too much space on the list. There is little good will between the main participants. Subscribers leave. I'm not really sure if I have much more to add, that's how it looks to me, and I would prefer if my minimal list contributions were not exclusively for the flame war. If it continues please can we maintain perspective: there are many more important things going on at the moment. Black Lives Matter, Reuben On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 00:07, John Sokolowski wrote: > >And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: > > Your descriptions of those tracks sound great. Will check. > > >... I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? > > The new Moodymann album is excellent IMHO. His best full length in a > looong time. > > Also been digging almost everything on Exalt Records as of late. > > W1b0’s new EP Heretofore arrived today and it also very, very good. Plus > is it is on red marbled wax with Star Wars Death Troopers on the labels! > Death Troopers! So sick. ;)
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>And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: Your descriptions of those tracks sound great. Will check. >... I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? The new Moodymann album is excellent IMHO. His best full length in a looong time. Also been digging almost everything on Exalt Records as of late. W1b0’s new EP Heretofore arrived today and it also very, very good. Plus is it is on red marbled wax with Star Wars Death Troopers on the labels! Death Troopers! So sick. ;)
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@Denise no, i haven't read your work; your disseration is not why I signed up for this list. I just read and see how your occasional tantrums on this list are rarely about music and are mostly about what *you* did and your need to best anyone on every subject (a common occurence of people with a Ph. D.). You add drama in every conversation on here and frankly, I'm fucking done with this asinine bullshit behaviour. It's not why I'm on here; I want to read this and enjoy the contributions of people, either it being about techno or techno related stuff. @Holly did you really just hurl "whitesplaining" at me? Can I explain to you how that's racist, or would I be 'whitesplaining' again? Seriously though; Music is a language and the producers of Techno tell their story through that. If they'd, or anyone else, feel the need to write words on it, then they will. But they don't, because they just want to make the BOOM BOOM BOOM instead of all this YAP YAP YAP. For both Denise & Holly; if you want to discuss this further, let's take it to a private place. @Kent I don't like bringing this up, but this is THE mailinglist for Detroit Techno music, right? The last time I've seen talk about techno music .. well, I can't remember the last time (techno) music was discussed and it bugs me because I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: *Sansibar - Meri * A producer from Finland who was born somewhere in Africa. Dreamy, lush pads and bleeps over a solid deep, driving bass and drum foundation. *Earth to Mickey - Brace & Bit * Hi-energy, funky italo-discoesque track with good synth work and some good vocals that come with it *The Advent - Vast* This is one of those space pod tracks, where you just feel like gliding and bobbing down the highway of some metallic futureland. Great connector track to continue unleashing the fury in your DJ set *Muzz - Bizarre Love Pentangle* Something I spotted while listening to SomaFM. A real nice blend of soul/jazz with a twist of electronics. Nice calming down in these strange, trying times. Stay UR and hopefully we'll meet on a dancefloor one day
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You said it well. Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that on-list. I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me directly, I'll read and respond. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I > can. > > For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about > nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. > > Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of > a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern > life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive > necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people > are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone > academically-minded. > > That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps > that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's > work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all > probably do much more than we already do. > > Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me > years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't > like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some > opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can > be messy. > > DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to > understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation > for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, > those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to > be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more > relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. > > I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead > of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. > We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from > each other. > > I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > wrote: > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for >> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black >> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned >> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of >> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that >> make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' >> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' >> uncomfortable. >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time >> with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular >> list members only see what's on the list. >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing >> with black music, and no one should. >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about >> you, not about the music or the people. >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Allgxxd >>> >>> I hear you essay >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> > >>> > -- Forwarded message - >>> > From: DANIEL BEAN >>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> > To: Denise Dalphond >>> > >>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> > >>
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I can. For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can be messy. DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from each other. I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: > On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for > the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black > artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without > making other people want to leave the 313 list. > > I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned > anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of > its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that > make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' > uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' > uncomfortable. > > I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with > complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list > members only see what's on the list. > > No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing > with black music, and no one should. > > But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about > you, not about the music or the people. > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Allgxxd >> >> I hear you essay >> >> Cheers >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> > >> > -- Forwarded message - >> > From: DANIEL BEAN >> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >> > To: Denise Dalphond >> > >> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore >> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is >> > ludicrous, especially at the moment. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did >> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of >> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her >> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >> >> professionally. So, s. >> >> >> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is >> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >> >> >>
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On the one hand, Denise has valid points. On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without making other people want to leave the 313 list. I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' uncomfortable. I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list members only see what's on the list. No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing with black music, and no one should. But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about you, not about the music or the people. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Allgxxd > > I hear you essay > > Cheers > > On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > > > > -- Forwarded message - > > From: DANIEL BEAN > > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > > To: Denise Dalphond > > > > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore > > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is > > ludicrous, especially at the moment. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond > > wrote: > > > >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did > >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of > >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. > >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her > >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it > >> professionally. So, s. > >> > >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is > >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. > >> > >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? > >> > >> Denise Dalphond > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd > >> wrote: > >> > >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? > >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common > >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division > >> between people by this racebaiting. > >> > >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or > >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the > >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of > >> life. > >> > >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the > >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and > >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward > >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological > >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins > >> of Techno in the Motorcity. > >> > >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > >> wrote: > >> > >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do > >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult > >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > >> > >> Denise > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > >> wrote: > >> > >> Dweller Electronics > >> > >> writings from a black perspective > >> > >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, > >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have > >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more > >> relevant work. > >> > >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > >> “Audio/Visual”. > >> > >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library > > -- > > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > > ethnomusicologist > > schoolcraftwax.work [1] > > > > Links: > > -- > > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work > >
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Allgxxd I hear you essay Cheers On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: DANIEL BEAN Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? Denise Dalphond On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by this racebaiting. I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond wrote: A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ Denise On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: Dweller Electronics writings from a black perspective Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and “Audio/Visual”. https://dwellerforever.blog/library -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work [1] Links: -- [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work
Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: Daniel Bean Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you > know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black > music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her > life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I > get to help her update it professionally. So, s. > > Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is > changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. > > And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? > > > Denise Dalphond > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: > >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For >> the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the >> beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by >> this racebaiting. >> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White >> skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is >> T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. >> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of >> Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect >> them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I >> realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already >> written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. >> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >> wrote: >> >>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they >>> mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: >>> https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >>> >>> Denise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke < >>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dweller Electronics >>>> >>>> writings from a black perspective >>>> >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >>>> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >>>> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >>>> >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >>>> “Audio/Visual”. >>>> >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>>> >>>> -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work >
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? Denise Dalphond On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: > Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For > the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the > beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by > this racebaiting. > > I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White > skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is > T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. > > Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of > Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect > them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I > realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already > written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > wrote: > >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they >> mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: >> https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke < >> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dweller Electronics >>> >>> writings from a black perspective >>> >>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >>> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >>> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >>> >>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >>> “Audio/Visual”. >>> >>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>> >>> -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by this racebaiting. I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond wrote: > A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they > mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: > https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > > Denise > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > wrote: > >> Dweller Electronics >> >> writings from a black perspective >> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >> “Audio/Visual”. >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> >>
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ Denise On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: > Dweller Electronics > > writings from a black perspective > > Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews > and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into > this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. > > It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > “Audio/Visual”. > > https://dwellerforever.blog/library > >
Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Dweller Electronics writings from a black perspective Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and “Audio/Visual”. https://dwellerforever.blog/library
