Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Michael Bramwell]

Well I guess cheeze pays well:
http://www.residentadvisor.net/photo-gallery.aspx?set=30642http://www.residentadvisor.net/photo-gallery.aspx?set=30642

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Detroit Techno Militia
 wrote:
> The only way to do Vegas is with darkcube.  Not only do we find the best
> underground events, he is like Rainman at the poker tables.
>
> -Angie Linder
> http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Alex Lugo  wrote:
>
> Cube is about the only reason I would go to Vegas now. :)
>
>
> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:43 PM, darkcube 
> wrote:
> i've been living here a year now, and i only go to the strip for easy
> tourist money at the poker tables. there are a couple decent underground
> house/techno nights that some friends of mine run, and they all happen to be
> hosted at the artisan (non-gaming, boutique) hotel.
>
> this town only really makes sense if you approach it from HSTs point of
> view, though the accompanying suitcase of fun is seldom optional.
>
> if any of you are ever out here in vegas, look me up. i'll gladly be your
> guide to the non-mundane in the city of kinda-sin.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:23, Alex Lugo  wrote:
>
> The place is indeed horrible, and I like my vacations on the insane side. I
> can't stand it for more than 2 days and I have to get the hell out of there.
>
>
> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:14 PM, kent williams
>  wrote:
> "No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
> tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
> places I’ve ever been."
>
> Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?
>
> There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
> 2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
> spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
> you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.
>
> If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
> Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
> wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
> world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
> ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
> extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.
>
> Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
> population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
> strip.
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
>> Vegas is where the money is:
>>
>> http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
>>
>>
>>
>> I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
>> XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent
>> job
>> of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
>> capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who
>> has
>> to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
>> probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>>
>>
>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>>
>> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
>> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
>> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>>
>> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
>> to laugh none the less.
>>
>> Carry on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Detroit Techno Militia]

The only way to do Vegas is with darkcube.  Not only do we find the best 
underground events, he is like Rainman at the poker tables.  

-Angie Linder
http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Alex Lugo  wrote:
> 
> Cube is about the only reason I would go to Vegas now. :)
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:43 PM, darkcube  wrote:
> i've been living here a year now, and i only go to the strip for easy tourist 
> money at the poker tables. there are a couple decent underground house/techno 
> nights that some friends of mine run, and they all happen to be hosted at the 
> artisan (non-gaming, boutique) hotel.
> 
> this town only really makes sense if you approach it from HSTs point of view, 
> though the accompanying suitcase of fun is seldom optional.
> 
> if any of you are ever out here in vegas, look me up. i'll gladly be your 
> guide to the non-mundane in the city of kinda-sin.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:23, Alex Lugo  wrote:
>> 
>> The place is indeed horrible, and I like my vacations on the insane side. I 
>> can't stand it for more than 2 days and I have to get the hell out of there.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:14 PM, kent williams 
>>  wrote:
>> "No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
>> tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
>> places I’ve ever been."
>> 
>> Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?
>> 
>> There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
>> 2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
>> spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
>> you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.
>> 
>> If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
>> Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
>> wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
>> world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
>> ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
>> extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.
>> 
>> Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
>> population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
>> strip.
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
>> > Vegas is where the money is:
>> > http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
>> > XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent 
>> > job
>> > of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
>> > capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
>> > to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
>> > probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>> >
>> >
>> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> > Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>> >
>> > Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
>> > promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
>> > 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>> >
>> > Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
>> > to laugh none the less.
>> >
>> > Carry on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[kent williams]

A while back, Terrence Parker moved to Las Vegas for a couple of
years, before moving back to the Detroit area. I never really talked
to him about it, but from what I know about Vegas, I can't imagine it
would be very hospitable to a deep house DJ, no matter how good they
are.

Vegas seems like the kind of place where no one can imagine going out
dancing without being drunk and/or high. I'm of the opinion that you
can go out dancing instead of getting drunk or high -- it can serve
the same purpose without the hangover or legal consequences...

RE: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[logic7]

I've been living in Vegas for about 2.5 years now and haven't had much of a
chance to even take it all in. We've been trying to make it to each hotel on
the strip just to see what it's like. We've only managed six of them so far
(not counting Circus Circus 'cause we go there a lot with the kids). I'm
about as unplugged from any music scene here as it can possibly get. The
only time I know of anyone decent coming out to play is when EDC is in town,
and at that there's maybe only two acts that I might have an interest in.
 
The wife and I have gone down to the strip late at night a time or two and
had fun just people watching (and drinking). 

  _  

From: darkcube [mailto:darkc...@datavibe.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:43 PM
To: Alex Lugo
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.


i've been living here a year now, and i only go to the strip for easy
tourist money at the poker tables. there are a couple decent underground
house/techno nights that some friends of mine run, and they all happen to be
hosted at the artisan (non-gaming, boutique) hotel.

this town only really makes sense if you approach it from HSTs point of
view, though the accompanying suitcase of fun is seldom optional.

if any of you are ever out here in vegas, look me up. i'll gladly be your
guide to the non-mundane in the city of kinda-sin.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:23, Alex Lugo  wrote:



The place is indeed horrible, and I like my vacations on the insane side. I
can't stand it for more than 2 days and I have to get the hell out of there.


On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:14 PM, kent williams
 wrote:

"No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
places I've ever been."

Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?

There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.

If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.

Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
strip.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
> Vegas is where the money is:
>
http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaska
de-SFX/
>
>
>
> I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
> XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent
job
> of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn't even come close to
> capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who
has
> to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
> probably one of the most horrible places I've ever been.
>
>
>
> From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>
>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>
>
>
> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>
> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>
> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
> to laugh none the less.
>
> Carry on.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Richard Hester]

My view of Vegas will always be molded by that of the hallucinatory 
vision of Hunter S, Thomson, even though my own experience has not 
ventured any closer than Sparks/Tahoe. The basic philosophy has not 
changed, only the tech/presentation. Take what you can with both hands, 
then get the f*** out while you can...


kent williams wrote:

"No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
places I’ve ever been."

Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?

There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.

If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.

Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
strip.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:

Vegas is where the money is:
http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/



I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job
of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.



From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26


To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.



Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...

Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.

Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
to laugh none the less.

Carry on.







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RE: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Daniel Bean]

I'm not particularly easily shocked, I just found the relentless 
commercialisation of everything depressing, not to mention extremely boring. 
Everything has a price in Vegas it seems. Also, our stag party went to three 
clubs while we were there and the music was without exception absolutely 
terrible. Brostep remix of Toots and the Maytals anyone?

On the positive side I found a great record shop (Moondog Records), but I'm 
never going back so won't be visiting it again.

From: kent williams [chaircrus...@gmail.com]
Sent: 10 October 2013 19:14
To: Daniel Bean
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

"No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
places I’ve ever been."

Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?

There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.

If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.

Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
strip.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
> Vegas is where the money is:
> http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
>
>
>
> I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
> XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job
> of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
> capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
> to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
> probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
>
>
>
> From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>
>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>
>
>
> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>
> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>
> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
> to laugh none the less.
>
> Carry on.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Greg Earle]

On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:14 AM PDT, kent williams  wrote:

> "No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
> tourist bit (i.e. the Strip) is probably one of the most horrible
> places I’ve ever been."
> 
> Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?

I'm with Mr. Bean on this one.  To me Vegas is THE weirdest place on Earth.
The fact that it is Nirvana to Middle American just makes it even weirder.
It is filled with human detritus of all shapes and sizes.

There are few reasons to ever visit Vegas if you ask me, other than to go
to the Pinball Museum, drive out to Red Rock Canyon, take a helicopter ride
out to the Grand Canyon, or visit Cube.

Oh yeah - Richie is doing an ENTER.-type thing at Escape From Wonderland
(huge EDC style massive) in San Bernardino on the 26th for those who
can't stomach Vegas.

http://www.globaldanceelectronichq.com/2013/10/richie-hawtin-confirmes-enter-at-escape.html

Me, I can't stomach San Bernardino either.

- Greg

Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Alex Lugo]

Cube is about the only reason I would go to Vegas now. :)



On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:43 PM, darkcube  wrote:
 
i've been living here a year now, and i only go to the strip for easy tourist 
money at the poker tables. there are a couple decent underground house/techno 
nights that some friends of mine run, and they all happen to be hosted at the 
artisan (non-gaming, boutique) hotel.

this town only really makes sense if you approach it from HSTs point of view, 
though the accompanying suitcase of fun is seldom optional.

if any of you are ever out here in vegas, look me up. i'll gladly be your guide 
to the non-mundane in the city of kinda-sin.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:23, Alex Lugo  wrote:


The place is indeed horrible, and I like my vacations on the insane side. I 
can't stand it for more than 2 days and I have to get the hell out of there.
>
>
>
>On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:14 PM, kent williams  
>wrote:
> 
>"No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
>tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most
 horrible
>places I’ve ever been."
>
>Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?
>
>There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
>2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
>spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
>you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.
>
>If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
>Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
>wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
>world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
>ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
>extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.
>
>Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
>population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
>strip.
>
>On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at
 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
>> Vegas is where the money is:
>> http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
>>
>>
>>
>> I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
>> XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job
>> of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
>> capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
>> to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
>> probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>>
>>
>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>>
>> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
>> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
>> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>>
>> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
>> to laugh none the less.
>>
>> Carry on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[darkcube]

i've been living here a year now, and i only go to the strip for easy tourist 
money at the poker tables. there are a couple decent underground house/techno 
nights that some friends of mine run, and they all happen to be hosted at the 
artisan (non-gaming, boutique) hotel.

this town only really makes sense if you approach it from HSTs point of view, 
though the accompanying suitcase of fun is seldom optional.

if any of you are ever out here in vegas, look me up. i'll gladly be your guide 
to the non-mundane in the city of kinda-sin.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:23, Alex Lugo  wrote:

> The place is indeed horrible, and I like my vacations on the insane side. I 
> can't stand it for more than 2 days and I have to get the hell out of there.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:14 PM, kent williams  
> wrote:
> "No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
> tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
> places I’ve ever been."
> 
> Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?
> 
> There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
> 2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
> spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
> you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.
> 
> If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
> Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
> wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
> world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
> ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
> extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.
> 
> Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
> population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
> strip.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
> > Vegas is where the money is:
> > http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
> >
> >
> >
> > I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
> > XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job
> > of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
> > capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
> > to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
> > probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
> >
> >
> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
> >
> > Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
> > promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
> > 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
> >
> > Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
> > to laugh none the less.
> >
> > Carry on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk
> > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal
> > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
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> 

Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Alex Lugo]

The place is indeed horrible, and I like my vacations on the insane side. I 
can't stand it for more than 2 days and I have to get the hell out of there.



On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:14 PM, kent williams  
wrote:
 
"No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
places I’ve ever been."

Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?

There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.

If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.

Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
strip.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
> Vegas is where the money is:
> http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
>
>
>
> I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
> XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job
> of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
> capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
> to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
> probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
>
>
>
> From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>
>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>
>
>
> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>
> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>
> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
> to laugh none the less.
>
> Carry on.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk
> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal
> views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[kent williams]

"No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but the
tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible
places I’ve ever been."

Horribly AWESOME you mean, right?

There are two ways to take Vegas: As a play by the rules, boring job,
2 kids, and van in the garage American, sincerely looking for some
spectacle and safe excitement.  Or as someone who goes there because
you'd really rather walk into a Hieronymus Bosch picture.

If your idea of a good time out of town is a nice little room in the
Marais, walking around the Tuileries, and sampling from ten different
wines in a Montparnasse bistro, I think Vegas probably seems like the
world's worst place.  It is the Epsilon/Delta proof that money can
ruin anything.  If you are willing to be shocked and amazed by the
extremities of human ridiculosity, visit Vegas.

Fun fact about Vegas: It has as many Mormons as a percentage of
population as Salt Lake City, and a lot of those Mormons work the
strip.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Bean  wrote:
> Vegas is where the money is:
> http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/
>
>
>
> I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting
> XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job
> of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn’t even come close to
> capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has
> to live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is
> probably one of the most horrible places I’ve ever been.
>
>
>
> From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
>
>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>
>
>
> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>
> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>
> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
> to laugh none the less.
>
> Carry on.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk
> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal
> views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.
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Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[db]

They have a few people that show up to the parties there


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EnX4N79QHMo/UcqXuxRH4pI/APw/VNSAqfJavdI/s1600/UMEK_EDC_3_Photo_Eric_Kabik.jpg.jpg




Probably not a good sound within hearing distance though...
I'll take a 50-100 people with good taste to this any day ;)





Dave



On 10/10/2013 1:00 AM, Daniel Bean wrote:


Vegas is where the money is: 
http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/


I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included 
visiting XS, one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does 
an excellent job of deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he 
doesn’t even come close to capturing the full horror of the place 
itself. No offense to anyone who has to live and earn in the city, but 
the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one of the most horrible 
places I’ve ever been.


*From:*Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 10 October 2013 00:26
*To:* 313@hyperreal.org
*Subject:* (313) Richie & Vegas.

Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...

Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad 
promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night 
set 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.


Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, 
had to laugh none the less.


Carry on.



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RE: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Daniel Bean]

Vegas is where the money is: 
http://www.spin.com/articles/EDM-las-vegas-kaskade-afrojack-steve-wynn-kaskade-SFX/

I was in Vegas a few weekends ago for a stag party which included visiting XS, 
one of the venues in the article. Though Sherburne does an excellent job of 
deconstructing the Vegas club phenomenon, he doesn't even come close to 
capturing the full horror of the place itself. No offense to anyone who has to 
live and earn in the city, but the tourist bit (i.e. the strip) is probably one 
of the most horrible places I've ever been.

From: Patrick Wacher [mailto:pwac...@gmail.com]
Sent: 10 October 2013 00:26
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.

Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad 
promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set 
3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had to 
laugh none the less.
Carry on.






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RE: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[logic7]

What night? I may have to roll over to the strip to catch this. Missed him
when he came out for EDC over the summer.

  _  

From: Brian Prince [mailto:balis...@bprince.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:24 PM
To: Patrick Wacher; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Richie & Vegas.


I guess in 10 years I'll be able to catch him here in Reno.

  _  

From: Patrick Wacher
Sent: 10/9/2013 4:26 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.


Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...


Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.


Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
to laugh none the less.


Carry on.

Re: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Patrick Wacher]

2pm matinee.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Brian Prince wrote:

> I guess in 10 years I'll be able to catch him here in Reno.
> --
> From: Patrick Wacher
> Sent: 10/9/2013 4:26 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org 
> Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.
>
> Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...
>
> Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
> promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
> 3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.
>
> Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
> to laugh none the less.
>
> Carry on.
>
>
>

RE: (313) Richie & Vegas.

[Brian Prince]

I guess in 10 years I'll be able to catch him here in Reno.

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Wacher
Sent: 10/9/2013 4:26 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Richie & Vegas.

Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...

Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.

Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
to laugh none the less.

Carry on.

(313) Richie & Vegas.

[Patrick Wacher]

Thought this was funny and i thought i'd share...

Was listening to my Kraftwerk station on Pandora, and I get a audio ad
promoting Richie playing at The Cosmopolitan in Vegas... "late night set
3am-5am" ;)  I guess Vegas is probably the Ibiza of the USA.

Certainly not expecting to hear this sort of promotion for Mr. Hawtin, had
to laugh none the less.

Carry on.

Re: (313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.

[max tanguay]

that was a funny one!
too bad that richie's video are more interesting that the latest dj mixes i 
heard from him...




 
net label : pertin-nce.ca
me : soundcloud.com/bleupulp



 From: Patrick Wacher 
To: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org> 
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:56:22 AM
Subject: (313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.
 


Now that I have gotten your attention, here's a video of Richie in a kiddie 
pool squirting:

http://youtu.be/46Cdsav0oOQ

Re: (313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.

[Wibo Lammerts]

i was hoping Richie would be done by now with all sorts of "new"
party-concepts, and start making music again...


2013/7/15 Darnistle McKuik 

> Indeed!  A little Hawtin Twister-porn is fun way to start my day!
>
> The balloon women were a nice addition too
>
>
> On 7/15/13, Wibo Lammerts  wrote:
> > this is getter weirder and weirder
> >
> >
> > 2013/7/13 Matthew Kane 
> >
> >> No porn on list please.
> >> On Jul 13, 2013 11:56 AM, "Patrick Wacher"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Now that I have gotten your attention, here's a video of Richie in a
> >>> kiddie pool squirting:
> >>>
> >>> http://youtu.be/46Cdsav0oOQ
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 |
> > http://vibedeck.com/wibo/<http://vibedeck.com/w1b0/>|
> > http://twitter.com/w1b0 |
> > --
> >
>



-- 
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http://vibedeck.com/wibo/<http://vibedeck.com/w1b0/>|
http://twitter.com/w1b0 |
--

Re: (313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.

[Darnistle McKuik]

Indeed!  A little Hawtin Twister-porn is fun way to start my day!

The balloon women were a nice addition too


On 7/15/13, Wibo Lammerts  wrote:
> this is getter weirder and weirder
>
>
> 2013/7/13 Matthew Kane 
>
>> No porn on list please.
>> On Jul 13, 2013 11:56 AM, "Patrick Wacher"  wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I have gotten your attention, here's a video of Richie in a
>>> kiddie pool squirting:
>>>
>>> http://youtu.be/46Cdsav0oOQ
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 |
> http://vibedeck.com/wibo/<http://vibedeck.com/w1b0/>|
> http://twitter.com/w1b0 |
> --
>

Re: (313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.

[Wibo Lammerts]

this is getter weirder and weirder


2013/7/13 Matthew Kane 

> No porn on list please.
> On Jul 13, 2013 11:56 AM, "Patrick Wacher"  wrote:
>
>> Now that I have gotten your attention, here's a video of Richie in a
>> kiddie pool squirting:
>>
>> http://youtu.be/46Cdsav0oOQ
>>
>


-- 
| http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 |
http://vibedeck.com/wibo/<http://vibedeck.com/w1b0/>|
http://twitter.com/w1b0 |
--

Re: (313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.

[Matthew Kane]

No porn on list please.
On Jul 13, 2013 11:56 AM, "Patrick Wacher"  wrote:

> Now that I have gotten your attention, here's a video of Richie in a
> kiddie pool squirting:
>
> http://youtu.be/46Cdsav0oOQ
>

(313) Richie in a kiddie up pool squirting.

[Patrick Wacher]

Now that I have gotten your attention, here's a video of Richie in a kiddie
pool squirting:

http://youtu.be/46Cdsav0oOQ

Re: (313) 55 minute BBC Radio 1 interview with Richie

[Benn Glazier]

On 8 August 2012 21:57, Greg Earle  wrote:

- Greg

P.S. London/Manchester/Berlin/Switzerland 313'ers - I am all up in your
 grill over the next 3 weeks.  (Are there any Switzerland 313'ers?)

We'll see you London side for the Black Dog and Andy Stott gig. Plus a few
drinks. Any other London 313ers want to join in, hit me or Greg up off list.




-- 

*Benn Glazier*
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www.BennGlazier.com
www.twitter.com/BennGlazier
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+44 (0) 7714 3000 18

(313) 55 minute BBC Radio 1 interview with Richie

[Greg Earle]

"The Story of Richie Hawtin" with BBC Radio 1's Heidi:

http://soundcloud.com/bbcradio1/the-story-of-richie-hawtin

<*Commence usual 313 flame war about Rich in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... *>

- Greg

P.S. London/Manchester/Berlin/Switzerland 313'ers - I am all up in your
 grill over the next 3 weeks.  (Are there any Switzerland 313'ers?)

(313) Slices Special Issue - Documentary about Richie Hawtin (70 Min.)

[jeremy bispo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc6474KUBV8

Just found this link and started it up.
-- 
Best,
Jeremy

As You Like It
Founder & Executive Producer
skype: jeremybispo
i...@ayli-sf.com
www.ayli-sf.com

RE: (313) DEMF News: Villalobos Canceled, Richie Hawtin to play twice

[Odeluga, Ken]

Ha ha, almost wall-to-wall Richie Hawtin, Ableton, repetitive, boom-click fest 
all weekend. That makes me feel a bit better about not making it this time. 
Just a bit.]

Oh, and before you all start - these clothes are fire-retardant.

By!!!

:)


-Original Message-
From: David Powers [mailto:cybo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:35 AM
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) DEMF News: Villalobos Canceled, Richie Hawtin to play twice

VILLALOBOS CANCELLED, RICHIE HAWTIN REPLACES HIM ON BEATPORT STAGE & AT VOYAGE 
ROYAL AFTER PARTY DETROIT, May 27, 2010-Ricardo Villalobos' scheduled 
performance this weekend at the Movement Electronic Music Festival Powered by 
Ford Fiesta has been cancelled, but Richie Hawtin has agreed to perform in his 
place on the BeatPort Stage Sunday, May 30 from 9 pm until midnight.
Goetz Guse of Cocoon Agency out of Frankfurt, Germany informed festival 
organizers today that Villalobos will not be able to perform at Movement. Guse 
said, "Ricardo did not receive his Working VISA back in time due to US 
immigration Authorities at abroad consulates. Even with precocious legal 
support from the US as well as from Germany he still wasn't able to obtain the 
Working VISA due to unexpected bureaucratic obstacles."
Movement organizers expressed disappointment about the news regarding 
Villalobos, but are optimistic festival-goers will enjoy a Richie Hawtin 
performance as the replacement.
"We are disappointed Ricardo is not able to make it, especially with it being 
so close to the festival, but the show must continue," said Jason Huvaere, the 
executive director of Movement. "However, we are very grateful Richie agreed to 
fill in. Nowhere else will you get to experience Richie Hawtin presenting 
Plastikman live one night, and then the next night see an original Richie 
Hawtin DJ set, it's going to be truly amazing."
The Plastikman live performance will be the headliner on the Vitaminwater Main 
Stage the first night of the festival, Saturday, May 29. It is scheduled for 11 
p.m. to midnight. After Hawtin performs a three-hour set on the Beatport Stage, 
he will be aboard the sold out Voyage Royal: I'm on a Boat 2 after party to 
perform with DJ Magda in place of Villalobos on the second floor of the Detroit 
Princess.

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Frank Glazer  wrote:
> you have got to be freaking kidding me.
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Jacob Arnold  wrote:
>> Just received a press release. Nothing on the Web yet.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> peace,
>
> frank
>
> http://www.deejaycountzero.com
> http://www.infinitestatemachine.com
>

Re: (313) DEMF News: Villalobos Canceled, Richie Hawtin to play twice

[David Powers]

VILLALOBOS CANCELLED, RICHIE HAWTIN REPLACES HIM
ON BEATPORT STAGE & AT VOYAGE ROYAL AFTER PARTY
DETROIT, May 27, 2010—Ricardo Villalobos’ scheduled performance this
weekend at the Movement Electronic Music Festival Powered by Ford
Fiesta has been cancelled, but Richie Hawtin has agreed to perform in
his place on the BeatPort Stage Sunday, May 30 from 9 pm until
midnight.
Goetz Guse of Cocoon Agency out of Frankfurt, Germany informed
festival organizers today that Villalobos will not be able to perform
at Movement. Guse said, “Ricardo did not receive his Working VISA back
in time due to US immigration Authorities at abroad consulates. Even
with precocious legal support from the US as well as from Germany he
still wasn’t able to obtain the Working VISA due to unexpected
bureaucratic obstacles.”
Movement organizers expressed disappointment about the news regarding
Villalobos, but are optimistic festival-goers will enjoy a Richie
Hawtin performance as the replacement.
“We are disappointed Ricardo is not able to make it, especially with
it being so close to the festival, but the show must continue,” said
Jason Huvaere, the executive director of Movement. “However, we are
very grateful Richie agreed to fill in. Nowhere else will you get to
experience Richie Hawtin presenting Plastikman live one night, and
then the next night see an original Richie Hawtin DJ set, it’s going
to be truly amazing.”
The Plastikman live performance will be the headliner on the
Vitaminwater Main Stage the first night of the festival, Saturday, May
29. It is scheduled for 11 p.m. to midnight. After Hawtin performs a
three-hour set on the Beatport Stage, he will be aboard the sold out
Voyage Royal: I’m on a Boat 2 after party to perform with DJ Magda in
place of Villalobos on the second floor of the Detroit Princess.

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Frank Glazer  wrote:
> you have got to be freaking kidding me.
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Jacob Arnold  wrote:
>> Just received a press release. Nothing on the Web yet.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> peace,
>
> frank
>
> http://www.deejaycountzero.com
> http://www.infinitestatemachine.com
>

Re: (313) DEMF News: Villalobos Canceled, Richie Hawtin to play twice

[Frank Glazer]

you have got to be freaking kidding me.

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Jacob Arnold  wrote:
> Just received a press release. Nothing on the Web yet.
>
> J
>
>



-- 
peace,

frank

http://www.deejaycountzero.com
http://www.infinitestatemachine.com

(313) DEMF News: Villalobos Canceled, Richie Hawtin to play twice

[Jacob Arnold]

Just received a press release. Nothing on the Web yet.

J

Re: (313) Richie hates us all....

[313]

Also, forgot to say, there is some nice minimal techno a la
http://music.hyperreal.org/bford/ifach/other.html the lowground
compilation highlighted here. I have the cd at home. It has great
longevity,

Anyone heard of Number Cult?

PEACE


> not done with the indian ragas thing yet...this is another set of edits
I did...11 of them in all...hope you enjoy.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:51 PM,  <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>> ok. ill try it. but if its indian music so is my bandwidth...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> ill let you know in a few days if i make it all the way. blip. blip. blip
>>
>>
>>> Made you look again!
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Kevin Kennedy 
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: (313) Mouth where My Money is? A download of edits from FBK.
>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone...
>>>
>>>    Since there seems to have been a thread where I spoke on my edits
>> project...I thought that I'd make a download available to you all...
http://www.cornwarning.com/fbk/mp3edits.rar
>>>
>>>    Hopefully, you all will enjoy.  If you like, let me know
>>> please...I enjoy comments...I love it even more if you play it...and
>> much much more if you have it in your set!
>>>
>>> And again...thanks to Kent Williams for allowing me to use some of his
>> bandwith to bring the 313'ers my music!
>>>
>>>    Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> fbk
>>>
>>> sleepengineering/absoloop US

Re: (313) Richie hates us all....

[313]

Some of these are pretty sweet. I havent listened to the lot yet but 'love
is like oxygen' I have never heard. This is the 2010 election track for
me. Not as dark or esoteric as I expected having got the sleep engineering
on three way music and the frictional rekid. Id pay £8.99 for this as a
download album. Maybe I owe you money... ;-P

Anyone heard of Number Cult?

C


> not done with the indian ragas thing yet...this is another set of
> edits I did...11 of them in all...hope you enjoy.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:51 PM,  <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>> ok. ill try it. but if its indian music so is my bandwidth...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> ill let you know in a few days if i make it all the way. blip. blip.
>> blip
>>
>>
>>> Made you look again!
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Kevin Kennedy 
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: (313) Mouth where My Money is? A download of edits from FBK.
>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone...
>>>
>>>    Since there seems to have been a thread where I spoke on my edits
>> project...I thought that I'd make a download available to you all...
>> http://www.cornwarning.com/fbk/mp3edits.rar
>>>
>>>    Hopefully, you all will enjoy.  If you like, let me know
>>> please...I enjoy comments...I love it even more if you play it...and
>> much much more if you have it in your set!
>>>
>>> And again...thanks to Kent Williams for allowing me to use some of his
>> bandwith to bring the 313'ers my music!
>>>
>>>    Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> fbk
>>>
>>> sleepengineering/absoloop US

Re: (313) Richie hates us all....

[313]

ok. ill try it. but if its indian music so is my bandwidth...

;-)

ill let you know in a few days if i make it all the way. blip. blip. blip


> Made you look again!
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Kevin Kennedy 
> Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM
> Subject: (313) Mouth where My Money is? A download of edits from FBK.
To: 313@hyperreal.org
>
>
> Hello everyone...
>
>    Since there seems to have been a thread where I spoke on my edits
project...I thought that I'd make a download available to you all...
http://www.cornwarning.com/fbk/mp3edits.rar
>
>    Hopefully, you all will enjoy.  If you like, let me know
> please...I enjoy comments...I love it even more if you play it...and
much much more if you have it in your set!
>
> And again...thanks to Kent Williams for allowing me to use some of his
bandwith to bring the 313'ers my music!
>
>    Cheers,
>
>
> --
> fbk
>
> sleepengineering/absoloop US
>
>
>
> --
> fbk
>
> sleepengineering/absoloop US
>
>

(313) Richie hates us all....

[Kevin Kennedy]

Made you look again!


-- Forwarded message --
From: Kevin Kennedy 
Date: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM
Subject: (313) Mouth where My Money is? A download of edits from FBK.
To: 313@hyperreal.org


Hello everyone...

   Since there seems to have been a thread where I spoke on my edits
project...I thought that I'd make a download available to you all...
http://www.cornwarning.com/fbk/mp3edits.rar

   Hopefully, you all will enjoy.  If you like, let me know
please...I enjoy comments...I love it even more if you play it...and
much much more if you have it in your set!

And again...thanks to Kent Williams for allowing me to use some of his
bandwith to bring the 313'ers my music!

   Cheers,


--
fbk

sleepengineering/absoloop US



-- 
fbk

sleepengineering/absoloop US

Re: (313) Twitter DJ: Trainspot from your couch with Richie

[Southern Outpost]

I checked his account, he sure twatted alot!

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Greg Earle  wrote:
> Apparently there's some sort of app/plug-in for Traktor Pro that was written
> by someone at M_Nus that will Tweet your track list to Twitter in real-time?
>
> http://www.houseplanet.dj/index.php/April-2009/Richie-Hawtin-Twitter-DJ-Application.html
>
> Looks like it works:
>
> http://twitter.com/rhawtin
>
> Now we can change the old joke about how the DJ/performer is really checking
> their e-mail to "They're Twittering".
>
>- Greg
>
>

(313) Twitter DJ: Trainspot from your couch with Richie

[Greg Earle]

Apparently there's some sort of app/plug-in for Traktor Pro that was  
written by someone at M_Nus that will Tweet your track list to Twitter  
in real-time?


http://www.houseplanet.dj/index.php/April-2009/Richie-Hawtin-Twitter-DJ-Application.html

Looks like it works:

http://twitter.com/rhawtin

Now we can change the old joke about how the DJ/performer is really  
checking their e-mail to "They're Twittering".


- Greg

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

I love the White Noise stuff.
Anyone else?

Kw

On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Carlos De Brito wrote:


Delia Derbyshire, way before traktor and four wheels of steel:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=NDX_CS3NsTk


Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music

m


--
Pt! Schon das coole Video vom GMX MultiMessenger gesehen?
Der Eine für Alle: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/messenger03

Re: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Carlos De Brito]

Delia Derbyshire, way before traktor and four wheels of steel:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=NDX_CS3NsTk

> Interesting little video:
> 
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music
> 
> m

-- 
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Der Eine für Alle: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/messenger03

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

Yeah, they played a technopop version of Chase The Devil and a  
dancehall version of Man Machine!


:-D

On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:27 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:


Kraftwerk have played in Kingston?!?

Pow.

[Perhaps you mean Kingston-upon-Hull Martin]

-Original Message-
From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:16 PM
To: [313]
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same
form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They
don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their
shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what means that a show
in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more
like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops.

On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote:



On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote:


There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think?


Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people
listed.

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[David Powers]

well it's funny because the longer i've been using ableton, the less i do,
but i actually think it's better that way. i got my evolution controller
stolen and i don't even think that's a problem, just forces me to show a
little dexterity on the laptop from time to time and prove i'm not just
checking email ... but mostly, i mean, i just want to play stuff that sounds
good and not fiddle all the time. if it sounds great why get in the way--and
i guess i feel the same whether it is mine or another producer's... i like
ableton cus i can play all my unreleased stuff, drop stuff in quick and
get it locked, but mostly i'm
doing what you could do on vinyl, except i get to enjoy listening to the two
tracks together instead of having to adjust one of the records the whole
time. and generally, as time passes i seem to be using less and less
effects...

glad surgeon was brought up though, cus he inspired me to go this route,
especially in terms of not twiddling too much, but always having some new
track or remix or re-edit to play that just (hopefully) is sick, and just
putting the right stuff together at the right moment.

~David

RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Mann, Ravinder]

beat me to it Kent

Rav

-Original Message-
From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 September 2008 22:19
To: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-)

> Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > 'Technolgystolemyvinyl'
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> OK, lets tip the balance...
>>
>> Hitler is a M_nus fan!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4
>>
>> m
>
>


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RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Mann, Ravinder]

end of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law



-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 September 2008 22:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 'Technolgystolemyvinyl'
>
>
>   
OK, lets tip the balance...

Hitler is a M_nus fan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4

m


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RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Odeluga, Ken]

Kraftwerk have played in Kingston?!?

Pow.

[Perhaps you mean Kingston-upon-Hull Martin]

-Original Message-
From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:16 PM
To: [313]
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same  
form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They  
don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their  
shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what means that a show  
in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more  
like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops.

On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote:

>
> On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote:
>
>> There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think?
>
> Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people
> listed.
>
> m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Garrett McGrath]

On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Martin Dust wrote:

And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming  
not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little.


yeap.  save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was  
probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing  
tracks.  his art is definitely the programming.
Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way  
he hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before  
he drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :)


m


i'd say this is a decent thread departure...  ;)

Re: (313) 53 messages and counting about Richie Hawtin and Traktor...

[Kowalsky]

Richie is like the Madonna of techno! :-)

On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM, kent williams wrote:


Man, Richie Hawtin is 313's third rail.

I don't have anything to add, really, except to say that the best DJ
sets I've seen were done with two turntables and a mixer without
effects.  If you play the right records, in the right order, and mix
them right, magic happens. No reason not to experiment with new stuff,
or to redefine what a DJ does, but the results are what matters. And
there is an undefinable something to a DJ who can grab ahold of a
dancefloor and make it a top night, and while technique and gadgets
can help, they won't make a boring DJ exciting.

And I've seen Richie be exciting, and I've seen him be boring.  I have
to think that part of what makings his sets these days pretty
lackluster is that he really knows his audience, and he's giving them
what they want.  I know people who are among the faithful, and they'll
argue that everything he does is brilliant.  I know people with
Plastikman TATOOS for Jebus' sake!  Given that he's got a global
audience who think he's awesome no matter what he does, and has
surrounded himself with a group of DJs and producers who do nothing to
challenge him, it's no wonder he bothers the picky bastards on 313.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

i rest my case.

On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:19 PM, kent williams wrote:


Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-)


Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

'Technolgystolemyvinyl'




OK, lets tip the balance...

Hitler is a M_nus fan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

It's from Downfall, a movie about the last days of Hittler in the  
bunker, and some related events.


On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


"Now I'm going to have to listen to techno all night at home."


LOL

MEK

P.S. - what movie is this clip originally from? I've just seen so many
versions of this I wouldn't mind seeing the original

Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

'Technolgystolemyvinyl'




OK, lets tip the balance...

Hitler is a M_nus fan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[kent williams]

Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-)

> Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > 'Technolgystolemyvinyl'
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> OK, lets tip the balance...
>>
>> Hitler is a M_nus fan!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4
>>
>> m
>
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

"Now I'm going to have to listen to techno all night at home."


LOL

MEK

P.S. - what movie is this clip originally from? I've just seen so many
versions of this I wouldn't mind seeing the original

Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 'Technolgystolemyvinyl'
> >
> >
> >
> OK, lets tip the balance...
>
> Hitler is a M_nus fan!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4
>
> m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

'Technolgystolemyvinyl'


  

OK, lets tip the balance...

Hitler is a M_nus fan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[anthony]

'Technolgystolemyvinyl'








On Tue, September 9, 2008 3:52 am, Martin Dust wrote:
>> And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not
>> the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little.
>>
>> yeap.  save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably
>> previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks.  his
>> art is definitely the programming.
> Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he
> hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he
> drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :)
>
> m
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not 
the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little.


yeap.  save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably 
previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks.  his 
art is definitely the programming.
Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he 
hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he 
drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :)


m

Re: (313) 53 messages and counting about Richie Hawtin and Traktor...

[anthony]

Thankyou for that. Well said, you beat me to the punch.



On Tue, September 9, 2008 2:55 am, kent williams wrote:
> Man, Richie Hawtin is 313's third rail.
>
> I don't have anything to add, really, except to say that the best DJ
> sets I've seen were done with two turntables and a mixer without
> effects.  If you play the right records, in the right order, and mix
> them right, magic happens. No reason not to experiment with new stuff,
> or to redefine what a DJ does, but the results are what matters. And
> there is an undefinable something to a DJ who can grab ahold of a
> dancefloor and make it a top night, and while technique and gadgets
> can help, they won't make a boring DJ exciting.
>
> And I've seen Richie be exciting, and I've seen him be boring.  I have
> to think that part of what makings his sets these days pretty
> lackluster is that he really knows his audience, and he's giving them
> what they want.  I know people who are among the faithful, and they'll
> argue that everything he does is brilliant.  I know people with
> Plastikman TATOOS for Jebus' sake!  Given that he's got a global
> audience who think he's awesome no matter what he does, and has
> surrounded himself with a group of DJs and producers who do nothing to
> challenge him, it's no wonder he bothers the picky bastards on 313.
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Garrett McGrath]

On Sep 8, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Martin Dust wrote:

I don't see why "who is using this exciting new technology in an  
interesting way", "who's getting the most out of this gear" is
being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted  
into something else.  I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a

reasonable bet.

And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming  
not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little.


yeap.  save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably  
previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks.  his  
art is definitely the programming.

(313) 53 messages and counting about Richie Hawtin and Traktor...

[kent williams]

Man, Richie Hawtin is 313's third rail.

I don't have anything to add, really, except to say that the best DJ
sets I've seen were done with two turntables and a mixer without
effects.  If you play the right records, in the right order, and mix
them right, magic happens. No reason not to experiment with new stuff,
or to redefine what a DJ does, but the results are what matters. And
there is an undefinable something to a DJ who can grab ahold of a
dancefloor and make it a top night, and while technique and gadgets
can help, they won't make a boring DJ exciting.

And I've seen Richie be exciting, and I've seen him be boring.  I have
to think that part of what makings his sets these days pretty
lackluster is that he really knows his audience, and he's giving them
what they want.  I know people who are among the faithful, and they'll
argue that everything he does is brilliant.  I know people with
Plastikman TATOOS for Jebus' sake!  Given that he's got a global
audience who think he's awesome no matter what he does, and has
surrounded himself with a group of DJs and producers who do nothing to
challenge him, it's no wonder he bothers the picky bastards on 313.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

I see 2 many djs the same way i see girl talk. The worst thing is that  
they go to a more demagogic arena thrill. They emulate a rock show by  
cutting off the boring parts or the non-top charting tunes and filling  
the spaces with all the climax moments an arena rock show would have.


On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Todd Sines wrote:


BMG / Ectomorph.

His "DJ" sets are more like on the fly mashups of Prince, Dan Bell,  
Carl Craig, P Funk, Laid Back, Kraftwerk and B-52s.


2 Many DJs wish they could hold a torch to what he does with Live  
with their sets..  but thankfully, everything's already sync'ed  
within Live.


as for Traktor:
I have been dabbling with the 4 decks thing but still using  
turntables for the first 2 tracks and then synching to their  
"master" pitch clocks. You can easily start up another deck or two  
using your other decks' pitch. Sometimes it works, other times not.  
As good as Traktor is, it's not always making razor-sharp 1/2/4/8- 
bar loops for you -- I wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time. But it  
does make DJing a lot more fun than just playing 90% of the song and  
fading in  the ends.  ;)




+odd
--
On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Kowalsky wrote:

Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i  
said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite  
well. And he uses a MPC on top of it.

My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?

On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote:


Kowalsky wrote:

I agree with you.
But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was  
asking in first place.
OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know  
who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton?


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

Ronny Pries wrote:

me :)


Another one, but he also uses boxes has to be the fantastic Neil Landtrumm.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/music/connect/2008/artist/neil_landstrumm/?video003#video

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Ronny Pries]

me :)


My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

That's a good analogy! I was never very into his sound, but he works  
in the same way of operations, looping beats and pieces, but he seems  
to achieve better results, be it in the matter of moods or ambiences.


On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Wojtek wrote:

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:
Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i  
said
previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well.  
And he

uses a MPC on top of it.
My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?



monolake.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

Kowalsky wrote:
Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said 
previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. 
And he uses a MPC on top of it.
My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? 

Kero is one of mine favs, Tim Exile is another - mental stuff.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh for goodness sake, if this argument "bores" you why are you trying so hard 
to have it?
  

Get out of the wrong side of the bed did we?



I don't see why "who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way", 
"who's getting the most out of this gear" is
being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into 
something else.  I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a
reasonable bet.
  
And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not 
the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles every little.

RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[O'Connor, Chris]

Well put.  

I found that all of the tricks he showed in that video lack any sort of
musicality at all.  

I'd have rather heard the tracks in their original format on 2
turntables or cd players, mixed well, rather than with the faux
breakdowns.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:24 PM
To: [313]
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty  
tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of  
loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd  
scream from time to time.
It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage  
the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the  
sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not  
focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill  
usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing  
with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just  
watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get  
in - the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the  
people into the playing.

Kw

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Wojtek]

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said
> previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he
> uses a MPC on top of it.
> My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?
>

monolake.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Todd Sines]

BMG / Ectomorph.

His "DJ" sets are more like on the fly mashups of Prince, Dan Bell,  
Carl Craig, P Funk, Laid Back, Kraftwerk and B-52s.


2 Many DJs wish they could hold a torch to what he does with Live  
with their sets..  but thankfully, everything's already sync'ed  
within Live.


as for Traktor:
I have been dabbling with the 4 decks thing but still using  
turntables for the first 2 tracks and then synching to their "master"  
pitch clocks. You can easily start up another deck or two using your  
other decks' pitch. Sometimes it works, other times not. As good as  
Traktor is, it's not always making razor-sharp 1/2/4/8-bar loops for  
you -- I wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time. But it does make DJing  
a lot more fun than just playing 90% of the song and fading in  the  
ends.  ;)




+odd
--
On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Kowalsky wrote:

Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i  
said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite  
well. And he uses a MPC on top of it.

My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?

On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote:


Kowalsky wrote:

I agree with you.
But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was  
asking in first place.
OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know  
who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton?


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said  
previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well.  
And he uses a MPC on top of it.

My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?

On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote:


Kowalsky wrote:

I agree with you.
But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking  
in first place.
OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know  
who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton?


m

RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Oh for goodness sake, if this argument "bores" you why are you trying so hard 
to have it?

No one said it had to be different to be great.  Doing things this way can be 
100% fine. "use as little or a much as you need" yes,
agreed.  On Kraftwerk I thought they were their last "live" show was the best 
thing I've seen in years and I don't care that much
how live it was.

Right now, in this thread, you're not hearing the "Musicians Union" argument 
from anyone (though I admit it has come up on here).

I don't see why "who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting 
way", "who's getting the most out of this gear" is
being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into 
something else.  I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a
reasonable bet.


> From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 September 2008 19:35
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's 
> > point was not so much "who's using laptops and
controllers"
> > but "who's doing something different with this gear" in, say, the way 
> > apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to
watch
> > it, sorry).
> >
> > I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something 
> > subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been
> > difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre 
> > laptop band to do).
> >
> >
> My point is you don't have to be doing something "different" for it to
> be great., use as little or a much as you need. Kraftwerk could not do
> what they do now without bringing the whole of the studio with them.
> 
> All the arguements about this bore me to death, it like listening to the
> Muscian Union in the late 70's with their "Keep Music Live" campaign.
> The last people I expect to hear this arguement from is people into techno.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

Kowalsky wrote:

I agree with you.
But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in 
first place.
OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who 
can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton?


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point was not so 
much "who's using laptops and controllers"
but "who's doing something different with this gear" in, say, the way 
apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch
it, sorry).

I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively 
/ artistically pleasing that would have been
difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop 
band to do).

  
My point is you don't have to be doing something "different" for it to 
be great., use as little or a much as you need. Kraftwerk could not do 
what they do now without bringing the whole of the studio with them.


All the arguements about this bore me to death, it like listening to the 
Muscian Union in the late 70's with their "Keep Music Live" campaign. 
The last people I expect to hear this arguement from is people into techno.


m

RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point 
was not so much "who's using laptops and controllers"
but "who's doing something different with this gear" in, say, the way 
apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch
it, sorry).

I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively 
/ artistically pleasing that would have been
difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop 
band to do).


> From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 September 2008 18:23
> 
> On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:15, Kowalsky wrote:
> 
> > Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the
> > same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and
> > there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting
> > style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what
> > means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in
> > kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin
> > scrambling loops.
> 
> Sure but you're splitting hairs now :)
> 
> m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:15, Kowalsky wrote:

Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the  
same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and  
there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting  
style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow – what  
means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in  
kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin  
scrambling loops.


Sure but you're splitting hairs now :)

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same  
form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They  
don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their  
shows, in a tour, have a script they follow – what means that a show  
in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more  
like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops.


On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote:



On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote:


There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think?


Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people  
listed.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote:


There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think?


Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people  
listed.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think?

On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Martin Dust wrote:



On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:51, Kowalsky wrote:


I know that.
But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing.


Most of the artist I listed play their own music or appear live as  
well as DJing - what's the difference when you boil it all down  
really?




m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:51, Kowalsky wrote:


I know that.
But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing.


Most of the artist I listed play their own music or appear live as  
well as DJing - what's the difference when you boil it all down really?




m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

I know that.
But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing.

Kw

On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Martin Dust wrote:



On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:40, Kowalsky wrote:


Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why?


Laptops, Controllers, 3 Octave keyboard no different to what most  
people use.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:40, Kowalsky wrote:


Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why?


Laptops, Controllers, 3 Octave keyboard no different to what most  
people use.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why?

On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Martin Dust wrote:



On 8 Sep 2008, at 15:42, Garrett McGrath wrote:


On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote:

Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive  
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list  
opinion?


Surgeon.



Rob Hall, Regis, Kraftwerk, Kero, James Ruskin, Claro, Andy Stott,  
Monospace etc etc...


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 8 Sep 2008, at 15:42, Garrett McGrath wrote:


On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote:

Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive  
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list  
opinion?


Surgeon.



Rob Hall, Regis, Kraftwerk, Kero, James Ruskin, Claro, Andy Stott,  
Monospace etc etc...


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Garrett McGrath]

On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote:

Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive  
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list  
opinion?


Surgeon.

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[rp]

It's an act of balancing, really.

--

within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro-loop 
sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind.  DJ sets just 
don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used to be.

maybe I'm just used to it all.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list
opinion?

On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote:

> its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of  this 
> micro-DJing BS.
>
> 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over.
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
>
>
> Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty
> tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of
> loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd
> scream from time to time.
> It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage
> the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the
> sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not
> focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill
> usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing
> with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just
> watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get
> in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the
> people into the playing.
>
> Kw
>
> On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
>
>> Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin   shows a
>> profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities  which
>> these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting.
>>
>> I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time.
>>
>> Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps
>> something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even
>> four fragments looped at the same time.
>>
>> The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to  something
>> equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be  the
>> day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even  going  to
>> mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic
>> stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy
>> act.
>>
>> Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think  there
>> are few more gigs to come.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM
>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
>>
>>
>> Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing  as
>> well and exactly due to the same reasons.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Interesting little video:
>>
>> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi
>> c
>>
>> m
>
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

The mixture of traditional djing and the producer activities points to  
the future, i think. But in one hand we have the hysterical girl talk  
thing, in the other the hospital food richie's stuff. I wanna find a  
compulsive knob twister doing this thing good.
There's a lot of baile funk players here, in brazil, doing nice stuff  
with laptops, midi, mpc and traditional tunes inside an act.


Kw

On Sep 7, 2008, at 11:09 PM, /0 wrote:

within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro- 
loop sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind.  DJ  
sets just don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used  
to be.


maybe I'm just used to it all.


- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list
opinion?

On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote:

its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of   
this micro-DJing BS.


30 seconds into the set, your journey is over.



- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty
tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of
loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd
scream from time to time.
It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage
the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the
sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not
focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill
usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing
with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun  
just
watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to  
get

in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the
people into the playing.

Kw

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin
shows a
profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities   
which

these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting.

I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time.

Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps
something which completes rather than loops over another loop or  
even

four fragments looped at the same time.

The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to   
something
equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will  
be  the
day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even   
going  to

mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic
stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy
act.

Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think   
there

are few more gigs to come.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm  
playing  as

well and exactly due to the same reasons.

---

Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi
c

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[/0]

within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro-loop 
sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind.  DJ sets just 
don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used to be.


maybe I'm just used to it all.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list
opinion?

On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote:

its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of  this 
micro-DJing BS.


30 seconds into the set, your journey is over.



- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty
tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of
loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd
scream from time to time.
It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage
the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the
sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not
focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill
usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing
with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just
watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get
in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the
people into the playing.

Kw

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:


Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin   shows a
profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities  which
these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting.

I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time.

Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps
something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even
four fragments looped at the same time.

The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to  something
equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be  the
day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even  going  to
mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic
stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy
act.

Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think  there
are few more gigs to come.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing  as
well and exactly due to the same reasons.

---

Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi
c

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive  
knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list  
opinion?


On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote:

its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of  
this micro-DJing BS.


30 seconds into the set, your journey is over.



- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty
tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of
loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd
scream from time to time.
It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage
the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the
sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not
focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill
usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing
with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just
watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get
in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the
people into the playing.

Kw

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin   
shows a
profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities  
which

these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting.

I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time.

Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps
something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even
four fragments looped at the same time.

The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to  
something
equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be  
the
day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even  
going  to

mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic
stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy
act.

Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think  
there

are few more gigs to come.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing  
as

well and exactly due to the same reasons.

---

Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi
c

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[/0]

its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this 
micro-DJing BS.


30 seconds into the set, your journey is over.



- Original Message - 
From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty
tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of
loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd
scream from time to time.
It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage
the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the
sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not
focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill
usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing
with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just
watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get
in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the
people into the playing.

Kw

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:


Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin  shows a
profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which
these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting.

I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time.

Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps
something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even
four fragments looped at the same time.

The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something
equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the
day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going  to
mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic
stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy
act.

Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there
are few more gigs to come.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup


Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as
well and exactly due to the same reasons.

---

Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi
c

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Kowalsky]

Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty  
tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of  
loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd  
scream from time to time.
It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage  
the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the  
sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not  
focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill  
usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing  
with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just  
watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get  
in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the  
people into the playing.


Kw

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin  
shows a

profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which
these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting.

I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time.

Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps
something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even
four fragments looped at the same time.

The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something
equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the
day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going  
to

mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic
stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy
act.

Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there
are few more gigs to come.

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Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as
well and exactly due to the same reasons.

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Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi
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Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[anthony]

right rite. I got to see claude do his different world thing and he blew
it up. but thats because he took it up down left right and anywhere
inbetween. so i had much respect for him and what he does. I just cant
stand the boring flatline style of playing music out is all. timecode
records or not.


On Sun, September 7, 2008 2:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm assuming you meant Richie and not Claude here, right?
>
>
> m
>
>
> At 07:35 2008.09.05, you wrote:
>>I don't know why I get so bothered by this. To quote my dear friend Curt
>>Jackson, "you have all the music the entire world has to offer at your
>>fingertips, and this is what you play?" Just so boring.
>>A
>>
>>
>>On Fri, September 5, 2008 12:06 pm, Martin Dust wrote:
>> >
>> > On 5 Sep 2008, at 17:02, kent williams wrote:
>> >
>> >> Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with
>> >> people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up
>> >> altogether ;-)
>> >
>> > It pretty much did :)
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

Bitstream 3x < WANT :) I'm currently juggling with an Axiom61, a 
BCF2000 and
an additional 3 oct keyboard by evolution. Not travelfriendly at all... 
You can get them for $300 but only from the USA at the moment, there's 
none in Europe and everyone that has them on their sites has no stock, I 
phoned over 30 shops before one of them told me the truth that there's 
no distribution and no one will be getting stock in the near future - 
makes you wonder why they are on loads of sites to actually buy! I 
really hate that.


I can't recommend it enough and just under 3KG, goes in the Magma Studio 
bag with ease. We have to make sure our bags are just 10KG or we get hit 
with extra charges all the time. I love the look on Ryanair staff when 
it clocks in under.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Ronny Pries]

Yeah, right.

Sure but you have to accept that the video isn't aimed at you/me and as 
ever "we" on the list are not everyone if you know what I mean :)


Bitstream 3x < WANT :) I'm currently juggling with an Axiom61, a BCF2000 and
an additional 3 oct keyboard by evolution. Not travelfriendly at all...

I don't like them at all, way too big but I use Ableton with nine 
channels across 2 or 3 machines so they wouldn't be much use and I've 
yet to see one in a club and I wouldn't fancy packing one in my bag :) 
I've just moved to a Bitstream 3X, which is a fine piece of kit.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

Ronny Pries wrote:
I think there is a misunderstanding here. The video is great BUT afaik 
there are lots of people, including myself, who are using Traktor in 
exactly the same way. I guess people who never dared to actually look 
at Traktor closely will have a number of "aha" moments when watching 
that but then again the tools in Traktor have been made to be used in 
that way imho.
Sure but you have to accept that the video isn't aimed at you/me and as 
ever "we" on the list are not everyone if you know what I mean :)




Traktor rules. I wish i could afford those darn XONE controllers :/
I don't like them at all, way too big but I use Ableton with nine 
channels across 2 or 3 machines so they wouldn't be much use and I've 
yet to see one in a club and I wouldn't fancy packing one in my bag :) 
I've just moved to a Bitstream 3X, which is a fine piece of kit.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Ronny Pries]

I think there is a misunderstanding here. The video is great BUT afaik 
there are lots of people, including myself, who are using Traktor in 
exactly the same way. I guess people who never dared to actually look at 
Traktor closely will have a number of "aha" moments when watching that 
but then again the tools in Traktor have been made to be used in that 
way imho.


Traktor rules. I wish i could afford those darn XONE controllers :/


Ronny Pries wrote:

yes, it's definitly not rocket science nor anything special at all.


I don't think anyone said it was Ronny, just interesting.

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Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

Ronny Pries wrote:

yes, it's definitly not rocket science nor anything special at all.


I don't think anyone said it was Ronny, just interesting.

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Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I'm not familiar with his DJ setup, do you mean to say that 
you're following his lead in this respect?


Not at all, what I meant was after watching Claude work 3 decks and 2 
CDs I knew how high the bar had been set and knew that I'd never reach 
that point, so I went for the laptop. I can mix on decks and beatmatch, 
my problem with decks is programming - I always seem to just play the 
stuff I want or haven't heard for a while, not sure how that would work 
for a crowd.


m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[m50]

I have to admit, he comes across as charismatic (and energetic!) in this 
clip, so I can see that appeal.  It is an interesting explanation and for 
folks curious about what he's up to and how he does it, it seems illuminating.


That said, he does have a sometimes overstated approach; he tends to claim 
every new gadget is "revolutionary," and this presentation / advertisement 
style seems to gain him some fans and detractors, more than the technology 
itself.  Then again, the overstatement could just be that he's an excitable 
fellow ^^


I've seen similar tutorial videos from Christopher Willits (XLR8R) and 
Robert Henke (I don't remember who presented it but I believe it was a 
seminar in NZ) where they explain what, to me, seemed significantly more 
nuanced and complicated, yet both of these fellows explain in understated 
way.  Maybe an apples-and-oranges comparison, though, since these latter 
two explanations were on production / live performance techniques vs DJing.


As usual, thanks for sharing the video, Martin.

m



At 06:52 2008.09.05, /0 wrote:
interesting, but I couldn't help but think, over and over, "wow, this has 
been done for at least 5 years, by people with a lot less of a reputation 
for pushing the envelope than you."


oh well, he does his thing and does it well


- Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Ronny Pries]

yes, it's definitly not rocket science nor anything special at all.

interesting, but I couldn't help but think, over and over, "wow, this 
has been done for at least 5 years, by people with a lot less of a 
reputation for pushing the envelope than you."

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Southern Outpost]

Amen! ;)

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:02 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with
> people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up
> altogether ;-)
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:50, kent williams wrote:
>>
>>> I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play.  Especially
>>> watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things
>>> he does it doesn't come out quite so great.
>>
>> I watched Claude Young for 3hrs and decided to use a laptop :)
>>
>> m
>>
>



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Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[anthony]

I don't know why I get so bothered by this. To quote my dear friend Curt
Jackson, "you have all the music the entire world has to offer at your
fingertips, and this is what you play?" Just so boring.
A


On Fri, September 5, 2008 12:06 pm, Martin Dust wrote:
>
> On 5 Sep 2008, at 17:02, kent williams wrote:
>
>> Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with
>> people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up
>> altogether ;-)
>
> It pretty much did :)
>
> m
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 5 Sep 2008, at 17:02, kent williams wrote:


Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with
people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up
altogether ;-)


It pretty much did :)

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[kent williams]

Watching Claude work records, trigger loops, and joke around with
people around him at same time, will make you want to hang it up
altogether ;-)

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:50, kent williams wrote:
>
>> I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play.  Especially
>> watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things
>> he does it doesn't come out quite so great.
>
> I watched Claude Young for 3hrs and decided to use a laptop :)
>
> m
>

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[Martin Dust]

On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:50, kent williams wrote:


I've learned a lot about DJ'ing from watching DJs play.  Especially
watching Terrence Parker -- but of course when I try and do the things
he does it doesn't come out quite so great.


I watched Claude Young for 3hrs and decided to use a laptop :)

m

Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup

[/0]

interesting, but I couldn't help but think, over and over, "wow, this has 
been done for at least 5 years, by people with a lot less of a reputation 
for pushing the envelope than you."


oh well, he does his thing and does it well


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup



Interesting little video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_music

m