Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into thisenclosure

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

hmmm..who is this Johnny O? 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into 
thisenclosure


  lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in Alabama 
10 years ago!




  Kurt Fankhauser
  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110



  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

#justOhioThings




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+ 
years.




  Kurt Fankhauser
  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110



  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a LOT 
of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

  We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.


  Regards,
  Chuck


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

> with what a full-AP would have cost so
> really no price disadvantage to start
> out with the lite-AP.
> This is wonderfull news! I am planning
> on ripping out a bunch of EPMP and
> putting 450 in its place.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
>
> tel. 419-562-6405 
>
> fax. 419-617-0110 
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM,
> Mathew Howard  <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I was just told $1449 MSRP, and
> $1449 MSRP to upgrade to a full AP.
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:36 AM,
> Caleb Knauer
>  <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> So the only difference is the
> SU count? If so, that's quite
> refreshing. Well, let's see
> the price first.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17
> AM, Matt Mangriotis
> 
 
<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
> wrote:
> > Not sure if anyone has seen
> this yet, but here you go!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model
> >
> >
> >
> > Read about the applications
> that I think you might be able
> to use one of
> > these (of course, you guys
> know better than me? so if I
>     messed up on any of
> > these, or you have any to
> add, let me know!)
> >
>     >
> >
> >
> 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog
> >
> >
> >
> > See your resellers to order
> them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

does windows 10 allow me to run multiple RDP sessions?
win 8 doesn't

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials


  wipe it, put windows 7 or windows 10 beta on it, not worth the nonsense 
hassle, 8 is the vista of today


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

Classic Shell start menu.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my 
netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to 
get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu 
replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate







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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

o the only difference is the
  > SU count? If so, that's quite
  > refreshing. Well, let's see
  > the price first.
  >
  > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17
  > AM, Matt Mangriotis
  >  
<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
  > wrote:
  > > Not sure if anyone has seen
  > this yet, but here you go!
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Read about the applications
  > that I think you might be able
  > to use one of
  > > these (of course, you guys
  > know better than me? so if I
  > messed up on any of
  > > these, or you have any to
  > add, let me know!)
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > See your resellers to order
  > them.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Matt
  >
  >
  >
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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

sounds like you are running at 50% downlink percentage then? 

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Milholen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I have 3 packages from a 3x1,5x5 and a 10x10 for the really demanding. We 
also will do custom beyond this but it requires a PTP link.
  For the most sold is the 5x5 occasionally a 10x10 gets sold. Thats all 
residential. The businesses usually start with 5x5.
  Once folks figure out how to use a smart tv and they are on the 3x1 its 
evident that they soon need more band width to run those and
  do facebook at the same time.

  In some areas we are eating local cables lunch and in others uverse. In areas 
we have difficulty selling it just takes a few hits before they come around 
  and figure out that they can save a little money and have better service and 
the chatter starts. 
  We will hit churches and give them a better rate and offer a smaller package 
if they want that instead. 
  Lots of folks talk within a church :)
  We will also hit the outdoor strip malls and board walks and once we have one 
in there the others soon follow.
   
  We have more trouble with the multi-dwelling units because of POA or HOA and 
landlords.




  On 3/19/2015 9:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

We must sell different services.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "David Milholen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:09:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

I just completed over 60+ subs on 450 3.65 and had to add another. I say i 
had to but the graphs say otherwise. I probably keep going but rather wait till 
final hour 
we just added another sector to pick up some of those subs between both 
sectors. So now I have room to add 100 more if I need to.




On 3/19/2015 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  *nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration path. I 
would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS gear.

  I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so terrible, at 
least ones that haven't been addressed with my latest platform move (ePMP) 
(sync). Sectors and sync solve most of the "scale" issues.

  People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! I 
don't want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's easier to say when 
you're not paying $3k for them.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter?  I 
thought you went the ePMP route.


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

  It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to any 
network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy.  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network with 
just about any gear out there, but you do need to know what you're doing and 
know the limits of what that gear can do... and not having sync makes frequency 
planning extremely challenging after awhile.

  I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to scale 
better than anything else that's out there right now, but in our area it's 
pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish customers on a sector due 
to natural limitations... which makes wifi based gear a lot more practical.


  On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. 
My network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've 
largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync 
Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready.

Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's 
the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 miles 
that didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban 
Chicago. Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all of 
that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors.

A few 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i feel the same way Gleni think the "west" side of the network has more 
usage but i'd think the "east" side has more customers.  "west" usage is 2x 
what east usage is...


  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  Location matters as well.

  I've got a decent footprint. It is funny to see how entire neighborhoods have 
similar Internet usage.

  Some are on 24/7, others check the news, the weather then go to work, check 
their email when they get home and that's it. One of my first 802.11n towers 
(4th or 5th tower I put up) is still only lightly used. The second tower I put 
up has over 5 times the usage with the same number of subs.

  This is all within ~20 miles.




- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


We must sell different services.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "David Milholen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:09:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

I just completed over 60+ subs on 450 3.65 and had to add another. I say i 
had to but the graphs say otherwise. I probably keep going but rather wait till 
final hour 
we just added another sector to pick up some of those subs between both 
sectors. So now I have room to add 100 more if I need to.




On 3/19/2015 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  *nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration path. I 
would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS gear.

  I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so terrible, at 
least ones that haven't been addressed with my latest platform move (ePMP) 
(sync). Sectors and sync solve most of the "scale" issues.

  People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! I 
don't want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's easier to say when 
you're not paying $3k for them.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter?  I 
thought you went the ePMP route.


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

  It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to any 
network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy.  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network with 
just about any gear out there, but you do need to know what you're doing and 
know the limits of what that gear can do... and not having sync makes frequency 
planning extremely challenging after awhile.

  I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to scale 
better than anything else that's out there right now, but in our area it's 
pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish customers on a sector due 
to natural limitations... which makes wifi based gear a lot more practical.


  On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. 
My network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've 
largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync 
Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready.

Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's 
the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 miles 
that didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban 
Chicago. Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all of 
that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors.

A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP that was 
Canopy based. The purchaser had been helping the purchasee for several months 
(maybe a couple years?) because they didn't know what they were doing.

There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going at least 
as long as I have...  802.11 base

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

and i am still reading your posts. :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Milholen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I just completed over 60+ subs on 450 3.65 and had to add another. I say i 
had to but the graphs say otherwise. I probably keep going but rather wait till 
final hour 
  we just added another sector to pick up some of those subs between both 
sectors. So now I have room to add 100 more if I need to.




  On 3/19/2015 10:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

*nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration path. I 
would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS gear.

I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so terrible, at 
least ones that haven't been addressed with my latest platform move (ePMP) 
(sync). Sectors and sync solve most of the "scale" issues.

People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! I don't 
want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's easier to say when you're 
not paying $3k for them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter?  I thought 
you went the ePMP route.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to any 
network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy.  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network with just 
about any gear out there, but you do need to know what you're doing and know 
the limits of what that gear can do... and not having sync makes frequency 
planning extremely challenging after awhile.

I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to scale 
better than anything else that's out there right now, but in our area it's 
pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish customers on a sector due 
to natural limitations... which makes wifi based gear a lot more practical.


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. My 
network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've 
largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync 
Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready.

  Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's 
the thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 miles 
that didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban 
Chicago. Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all of 
that crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors.

  A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP that was 
Canopy based. The purchaser had been helping the purchasee for several months 
(maybe a couple years?) because they didn't know what they were doing.

  There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going at least 
as long as I have...  802.11 based. An area WISP aggregator...  802.11 based 
from what I've seen.

  What gear you use has less to do with your success than properly 
engineering a network.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Craig Schmaderer" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I agree with Kurt.  EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but I've been 
doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that works for voip, vpn, 
gaming, reliability, and just dam works is cambium 100 to 450.  And as for 
mimosa and AC hardware, i hope they have a great product but unless it can do 
what 450 can do for reliable links it has no place in my network.  Every ubnt 
wisp that has popped up in my service area has either quit or pulled out of my 
area.  




  On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:


nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's



Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

talk to me about scale on 900 mhz Aps...we're doing that, we throw up more and 
more aps and smaller and smaller sectors
i am dreaming of LTE...i hope to be showing demos soon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  *nods* Matt was responding to my post where I stated my migration path. I 
would look at Telrad or Runcom if I were looking for NLOS gear.

  I haven't had any of the "scale issues" you all say are so terrible, at least 
ones that haven't been addressed with my latest platform move (ePMP) (sync). 
Sectors and sync solve most of the "scale" issues.

  People complain about can't put more than 30 subs on an AP. Great! I don't 
want more than 30 or so subs on an AP anyway. That's easier to say when you're 
not paying $3k for them.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:29:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  Do you have any LTE in your network, or PMP450 for that matter?  I thought 
you went the ePMP route.


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

  It won't scale as well as LTE. If you think otherwise, point me to any 
network out there running 20M+ customers on Canopy.  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 9:20:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I have to agree, it's perfectly possible to build a good network with just 
about any gear out there, but you do need to know what you're doing and know 
the limits of what that gear can do... and not having sync makes frequency 
planning extremely challenging after awhile.

  I don't think there's really any question that Canopy is going to scale 
better than anything else that's out there right now, but in our area it's 
pretty rare that we actually can get more than 30ish customers on a sector due 
to natural limitations... which makes wifi based gear a lot more practical.


  On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. My 
network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've 
largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync 
Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready.

Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's the 
thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 miles that 
didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban Chicago. 
Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all of that 
crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors.

A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP that was Canopy 
based. The purchaser had been helping the purchasee for several months (maybe a 
couple years?) because they didn't know what they were doing.

There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going at least as 
long as I have...  802.11 based. An area WISP aggregator...  802.11 based from 
what I've seen.

What gear you use has less to do with your success than properly 
engineering a network.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Craig Schmaderer" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


I agree with Kurt.  EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but I've been 
doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that works for voip, vpn, 
gaming, reliability, and just dam works is cambium 100 to 450.  And as for 
mimosa and AC hardware, i hope they have a great product but unless it can do 
what 450 can do for reliable links it has no place in my network.  Every ubnt 
wisp that has popped up in my service area has either quit or pulled out of my 
area.  




On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:


  nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's



  Kurt Fankhauser
  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110


  On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

GPS APs?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Ma

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I would agree with all of this + watching your bottom line like a hawk
oh, and reading the list at 2 am on a friday night.  that's required too. :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  Must have WISPs that would have failed no matter what gear they used. My 
network touches 12 other WISPs. I've been running for over 10 years. I've 
largely ran Mikrotik and Ubiquiti, moving to ePMP, then moving to AC sync 
Bitlomat and\or Mimosa when they're ready.

  Almost five years ago I bought a network that ran Canopy because that's the 
thing to do! Yeah, he had multiple towers in the same band within 5 miles that 
didn't sync with each other. Almost every AP was an omni in suburban Chicago. 
Had no idea how to do any sort of networking. I've since pulled all of that 
crap and replaced it with UBNT or ePMP sectors.

  A few years ago an out of area WISP bought out an area WISP that was Canopy 
based. The purchaser had been helping the purchasee for several months (maybe a 
couple years?) because they didn't know what they were doing.

  There is at least one other WISP in the area that's been going at least as 
long as I have...  802.11 based. An area WISP aggregator...  802.11 based from 
what I've seen.

  What gear you use has less to do with your success than properly engineering 
a network.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Craig Schmaderer" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  I agree with Kurt.  EPMP and ubnt have a place and work ok but I've been 
doing this for 12 years and the only equipment that works for voip, vpn, 
gaming, reliability, and just dam works is cambium 100 to 450.  And as for 
mimosa and AC hardware, i hope they have a great product but unless it can do 
what 450 can do for reliable links it has no place in my network.  Every ubnt 
wisp that has popped up in my service area has either quit or pulled out of my 
area.  




  On Mar 18, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:


nope, just the cheap connectorized SM's




Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110



On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  GPS APs?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 18, 2015 10:39 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

integrated subscriber models 2.4 and 5ghz, have a few of the 
connectorized for AP's




Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110



On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  What hardware?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 18, 2015 9:15 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

prob 50 cents on the dollar

Sent from my iPhone 


Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Mar 18, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


  How much do you want for the ePMP?  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:12:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!


  Matt,


  That pricing lines up with what I was told by Cambium at the 
shows. I am going to assume that since its MSRP that WISPS can buy at 80% of 
that price level so then we are looking at $1160.00 for the lite AP and then 
the upgrade key so that is right there with what a full-AP would have cost so 
really no price disadvantage to start out with the lite-AP.


  This is wonderfull news! I am planning on ripping out a bunch of 
EPMP and putting 450 in its place.




  Kurt Fankhauser
  Wavelinc Communications

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  http://www.wavelinc.com

  tel. 419-562-6405

  fax. 419-617-0110



  On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Math

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

What are ya'll feeding Ben? :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben Moore 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line


  We have had safety stock here in USA for past 365-485 days (Josh - 2 accurate 
numbers in one day!)  ;)


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

There's an actual warehouse in the US. If he's saying they have them here, 
then it's that distros haven't been placing orders appropriately. I would 
expect that they are trying to slow down purchases on nanos and the link for 
the "any day now" DFS/lower certs on nanobeam/powerbeam.

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 03/20/2015 02:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me?  If 
you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting here 
that distributors can pull from if needed...


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know 
when it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most recent.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-) 
 You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were 
going "on the boat" ;)



On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the 
boat" out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  
wrote:

Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the 
last 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a 
quantifiable value.  That has to be a first.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
 wrote:

Hey, who says they are accurate??


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
 wrote:

No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
 wrote:

  this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated 
not connectorized 


  I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not 
in anybodys actual hands yet is it?


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra 
$400 on the link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
well go all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.



On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do 
AF5x unless it needs done in the next couple weeks.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized 
units.


The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but 
does not have airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently 
differences in airprism between the two 

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

af won't do multipoint, right?
 :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: af 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line


  I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? 
Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the 
way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.



  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done 
in the next couple weeks.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.


  The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The 
PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism 
between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far 
as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.


  The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going 
to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like 
live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of 
DFS and UNII-1.


  I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point 
unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of 
the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect 
AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.



  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy  
wrote:



The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only 
connectorized units?


What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?


Are some of these shipping without all there guts?


I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already 
have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I 
figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, 
is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things 
that are going to converge?


Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there 
any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? 
(future demand is a factor as well)


Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three 
products there?
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Rory Conaway]

Is the PBE-5AC-620 shipping yet?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting 
CPE’s over the next 3 months?   Is there any chance of supply shortages?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You can 
imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going "on the 
boat" ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out of 
your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 
years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value.  
That has to be a first.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Hey, who says they are accurate??

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized

I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands 
yet is it?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? 
Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the 
way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in 
the next couple weeks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP 
and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between 
the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I 
know this is going to be a permanent separation.
The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to 
perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live 
airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS 
and UNII-1.
I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point 
unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of 
the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect 
AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized 
units?

What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it 
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its 
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a 
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are 
going to converge?

Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any 
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future 
demand is a factor as well)

Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

[Rory Conaway]

We get about ½ mile with the rocket/omni/loco combo but I’m running 13dBi 
omni’s.  You can go a mile with no problem though.  WE use Nanobridges out to 
2.5 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

Just to follow up, we switched out the existing Loco-Loco link for a Rocket 
with a 10 dBi omni, the existing Loco, and a NanoBridge for a new location 
about 2500 feet away.  And as you guys said, upgrading to 5.5.10 unlocked 
U-NII-1 on all 3 products which was nice.

I do have to say though that neither the Rocket/omni nor the NanoBridge 
performed all that well.  The Locos were fine.  The others don’t seem to live 
up to gain specs.  We tried 5.1, 5.4 and 5.7 to make sure it wasn’t just that 
the omni wasn’t rated down to 5.1.

The other thing we discovered is don’t mount a NanoBridge under the eaves if 
there is aluminum soffit.  It needs to be well away from any metal or it has a 
dramatic effect on the signal.  I would assume PowerBeams and maybe NanoBeams 
are the same way.  I know there are shield kits out there for them, but they 
are huge.


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

None of the NanoBeam, PowerBridge, or PowerBeam support DFS yet.  Hence why we 
are still using boatloads of NSM5 Locos.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

AirFiber 5X can use U-NII-1. I don't know the rest of the line well enough to 
add any others to the list

Chuck

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.

So right now if I want to operate in U-NII-2 or 3, it’s NS5M Loco or NanoBridge 
25 as a client?

Does Ubiquiti have anything that can use U-NII-1?  That would not require DFS 
but would require meeting the new OOBE requirements.  I’m not clear why they 
wouldn’t get this on the NanoBeams or at least the NanoBeam AC, being new 
products wouldn’t they be going for the new OOBE rules anyway?  In which case 
U-NII-1 should be straightforward.

I’m a little unclear on whether DFS and OOBE requirements are equally difficult 
in the rest of the world.  I thought the new FCC rules were just catching up 
with the rest of the world.  But if this is not a problem worldwide, is 
Ubiquiti basically becoming like Mikrotik and saying it’s not worth the trouble 
meeting US requirements?  With 15.247 certification being worthless to a 
manufacturer by June 2016, is this what manufacturers will do, walk away from 
the US market and focus on the rest of the world?


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

We carry NS5M Locos, NanoBridge 25, and PowerBeam 25.  We will drop the 
Nanobridge 25 when DFS gets fixed but where we can use the Powerbeam, we still 
do.  Mostly that is because we are still working off a large early order.  I 
haven’t ordered any since.  The Locos go away when DFS is on the NanoBeams and 
will be replaced with the 16’s.   There is almost no reason to carry anything 
in between and it reduces the inventory in the truck.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

I wouldn't even use the 300s at 7 miles.  The 400s work best for pretty much 
anything over two or three miles, M19 a mile, M16 a block or two (micro pops).  
At least that is how we use them.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
19

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Which ones? They range from 16 to 25 dBi.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Jaime Solorza" 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:38:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

we tried a  seven mile link with them...not impressed in field test,  we ended 
up putting two rockets for the link.   we are going to try them in a 3 mile 
link n

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Bill Prince]

Hot damn!  Who made that?!?

bp


On 3/20/2015 8:13 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:


Oops let's try again. How about this chart...

ubnt radio comparison 
 



-Ty

On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, "Ty Featherling" > wrote:


Try this chart.

On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Yes, charts are always good.  Especially if the chart would
also have checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently
approved for.  And what power they take.
*From:* Ben Moore 
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Yes, we do have too many variants. It is being streamlined in
the AC line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple
sizes).
NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for
different areas of the world (i.e. some products are very
popular here and not as popular in other parts of the world).
Would chart help?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some
cases need better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam,
PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t
understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a
PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? 
Because it’s crazy small?

Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore 
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each
(maximize PTP and PTMP performance).  We won't split
unless there is a performance reason to.  The cost is same
either way...
How much is the budget? Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these
are the only connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp
airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo
link, we already have it connected to one pol of a set
of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its worth
checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats
what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of
ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to
converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput
demand link is there any major benefit of going to the
AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future demand
is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between
the three products there?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you

don't see your team as part of yourself you have
already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Bill Prince]

They oughta just use model numbers or something.

At this point everything sounds the same but different.  Kind of reminds 
me of a game I used to play... A maze of twisty passage all the same.


bp


On 3/20/2015 4:23 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
What used to be the Nanobeam is now the Powerbeam and and the new 
product is now the Nanobeam.or something like that. Their naming 
conventions have driven me nuts for years.


Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need 
better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, 
PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t understand the difference between a 
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB 
and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s 
crazy small?

Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.

*From:* Ben Moore 
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and 
PTMP performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance 
reason to.  The cost is same either way...

How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot
HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios,
but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation
with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to
converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
-- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't 
see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ty Featherling]

Oops let's try again. How about this chart...

   ubnt radio comparison


-Ty
On Mar 20, 2015 10:12 PM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:

> Try this chart.
>  On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>>   Yes, charts are always good.  Especially if the chart would also have
>> checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.  And what
>> power they take.
>>
>>  *From:* Ben Moore 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
>>
>>  Yes, we do have too many variants.  It is being streamlined in the AC
>> line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
>>
>> NanoBeam = all integrated
>> PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
>>
>> It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
>> areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
>> popular in other parts of the world).
>>
>> Would chart help?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>>   Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need
>>> better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
>>> PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
>>> NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
>>> the other by antenna size in mm.
>>>
>>> And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?  Because it’s crazy
>>> small?
>>>
>>> Then there’s the M vs W thing.
>>>
>>> My head hurts.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Ben Moore 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
>>>
>>>  Here you go:
>>>
>>> Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
>>> PTP - PTP only, airPrism
>>> PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
>>>
>>> These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and
>>> PTMP performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance reason
>>> to.  The cost is same either way...
>>>
>>> How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy >> > wrote:
>>>

 The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
 connectorized units?

 What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

 Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

 I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
 have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
 figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
 now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
 two things that are going to converge?

 Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
 any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
 (future demand is a factor as well)

 Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
 products there?
 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ty Featherling]

Try this chart.
 On Mar 20, 2015 6:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

>   Yes, charts are always good.  Especially if the chart would also have
> checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.  And what
> power they take.
>
>  *From:* Ben Moore 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
>
>  Yes, we do have too many variants.  It is being streamlined in the AC
> line with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).
>
> NanoBeam = all integrated
> PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design
>
> It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different
> areas of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as
> popular in other parts of the world).
>
> Would chart help?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>   Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need
>> better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
>> PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
>> NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
>> the other by antenna size in mm.
>>
>> And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?  Because it’s crazy
>> small?
>>
>> Then there’s the M vs W thing.
>>
>> My head hurts.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Ben Moore 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
>>
>>  Here you go:
>>
>> Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
>> PTP - PTP only, airPrism
>> PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
>>
>> These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
>> performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance reason to.  The
>> cost is same either way...
>>
>> How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>>> connectorized units?
>>>
>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>>
>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>>
>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
>>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
>>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>>> two things that are going to converge?
>>>
>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
>>> any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
>>> (future demand is a factor as well)
>>>
>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
>>> there?
>>> --
>>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Bison enclosure

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

Someone posted a PDF of a Bison enclosure a few months ago. It has the 
19" rack rails. Can you send that to me or post it on the list? I'm 
interested in these for new sites.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Josh Luthman]

I just spend the last 15 minutes on the phone explaining it to the tech.  I
would suggest you let tier 1 guys know this is an issue so he doesn't waste
his time replicating it and sending it to the engineers.  Ticket SC18994


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi <
sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

>  Josh - Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>
>
>  This is a bug on the backend statistics engine that broke a couple of
> things. AP list and SM bridge table (the one that George highlighted
> yesterday). It also causes the statistics page (Monitor->Performance)
> itself to have intermittent issues. We have a fix and will have a 2.4.1
> beta out in a matter of days. Lemme know if you need the fix earlier.
>
>
>  I apologize for the trouble caused.
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
> Sriram
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 6:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list
>
>
> Are you f$%king serious?
>
> Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???
> What a dumbass bug!!!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

Josh - Thanks for the constructive feedback.


This is a bug on the backend statistics engine that broke a couple of things. 
AP list and SM bridge table (the one that George highlighted yesterday). It 
also causes the statistics page (Monitor->Performance) itself to have 
intermittent issues. We have a fix and will have a 2.4.1 beta out in a matter 
of days. Lemme know if you need the fix earlier.


I apologize for the trouble caused.


Thanks,

Sriram



From: Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 6:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list


Are you f$%king serious?

Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???  What a 
dumbass bug!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*******, Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Josh Luthman]

Absolutely!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc <
t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

> LMAO.  Josh you are just like me! Call people out for the BS THEY PUT OUT.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Are you f$%king serious?
>
> Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???
> What a dumbass bug!!!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

[Ken Hohhof]

Just to follow up, we switched out the existing Loco-Loco link for a Rocket 
with a 10 dBi omni, the existing Loco, and a NanoBridge for a new location 
about 2500 feet away.  And as you guys said, upgrading to 5.5.10 unlocked 
U-NII-1 on all 3 products which was nice.

I do have to say though that neither the Rocket/omni nor the NanoBridge 
performed all that well.  The Locos were fine.  The others don’t seem to live 
up to gain specs.  We tried 5.1, 5.4 and 5.7 to make sure it wasn’t just that 
the omni wasn’t rated down to 5.1.

The other thing we discovered is don’t mount a NanoBridge under the eaves if 
there is aluminum soffit.  It needs to be well away from any metal or it has a 
dramatic effect on the signal.  I would assume PowerBeams and maybe NanoBeams 
are the same way.  I know there are shield kits out there for them, but they 
are huge.


From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

None of the NanoBeam, PowerBridge, or PowerBeam support DFS yet.  Hence why we 
are still using boatloads of NSM5 Locos.

 

Rory  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

 

AirFiber 5X can use U-NII-1. I don't know the rest of the line well enough to 
add any others to the list

 

Chuck

 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Thanks for the clarification.

 

So right now if I want to operate in U-NII-2 or 3, it’s NS5M Loco or NanoBridge 
25 as a client?

 

Does Ubiquiti have anything that can use U-NII-1?  That would not require DFS 
but would require meeting the new OOBE requirements.  I’m not clear why they 
wouldn’t get this on the NanoBeams or at least the NanoBeam AC, being new 
products wouldn’t they be going for the new OOBE rules anyway?  In which case 
U-NII-1 should be straightforward.

 

I’m a little unclear on whether DFS and OOBE requirements are equally difficult 
in the rest of the world.  I thought the new FCC rules were just catching up 
with the rest of the world.  But if this is not a problem worldwide, is 
Ubiquiti basically becoming like Mikrotik and saying it’s not worth the trouble 
meeting US requirements?  With 15.247 certification being worthless to a 
manufacturer by June 2016, is this what manufacturers will do, walk away from 
the US market and focus on the rest of the world?

 

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

 

We carry NS5M Locos, NanoBridge 25, and PowerBeam 25.  We will drop the 
Nanobridge 25 when DFS gets fixed but where we can use the Powerbeam, we still 
do.  Mostly that is because we are still working off a large early order.  I 
haven’t ordered any since.  The Locos go away when DFS is on the NanoBeams and 
will be replaced with the 16’s.   There is almost no reason to carry anything 
in between and it reduces the inventory in the truck.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

 

I wouldn't even use the 300s at 7 miles.  The 400s work best for pretty much 
anything over two or three miles, M19 a mile, M16 a block or two (micro pops).  
At least that is how we use them.  

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

19




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Which ones? They range from 16 to 25 dBi.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com






From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:38:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

 

we tried a  seven mile link with them...not impressed in field test,  we ended 
up putting two rockets for the link.   we are going to try them in a 3 mile 
link next,  




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

ouch.

Does that mean that if you need DFS, and the application wants a nano-b, 
the bxxx=bridge?

That sure sucks, because I was under the impression that I'd never have to 
install another nanobridge.

Which I do not like.

bp On 3/14/2015 11:32 AM, John Woodfield wrote:

  No DFS for nanobeams. Doubt there ever will be.

   

   

   

   

  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:56pm
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

  Not sure why UBNT makes it so difficult to determine which models are legal 
  in which bands. Am I interpreting correctly that Nanobeams are still 
  limited to 5.7 GHz?

  

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*******, Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc]

LMAO.  Josh you are just like me! Call people out for the BS THEY PUT OUT.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Are you f$%king serious?
> 
> Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???  What 
> a dumbass bug!!!
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Josh Luthman]

Not really angry, but seriously disappointed.  I mean how could you
possibly not check this before a final release?  And it hasn't been
recalled or anyone notified.  I have to assume I wasn't the first to notice
this bug.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> LOL
>
> Somebody's not angry! :P
>
> --
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTS
> www.spitwspots.com
>
>
> On 03/20/2015 03:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>
>> Are you f$%king serious?
>>
>> Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???
>> What a dumbass bug!!!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL

Somebody's not angry! :P

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 03/20/2015 03:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Are you f$%king serious?

Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release 
it???  What a dumbass bug!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Jay Weekley]

What used to be the Nanobeam is now the Powerbeam and and the new 
product is now the Nanobeam.or something like that. Their naming 
conventions have driven me nuts for years.


Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need 
better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, 
PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t understand the difference between a 
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB 
and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy 
small?

Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.

*From:* Ben Moore 
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and 
PTMP performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance 
reason to.  The cost is same either way...

How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot
HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios,
but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation
with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to
converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

[AFMUG] Epmp 2.4 bug - no ap list

[Josh Luthman]

Are you f$%king serious?

Do you guys even make sure the thing compiled before you release it???
What a dumbass bug!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Bill Prince]

The Bill Gates option and the Steve Balmer option?

bp


On 3/20/2015 4:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Two different options

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 20, 2015 7:02 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


I use something called Classic Start Menu.  Don't know if that's
the same as Classic Shell.  But once I got it installed I stopped
swearing at Bill Gates (and Steve Balmer)

bp


On 3/20/2015 11:20 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

Classic Shell is what I like to use..  That fixes 99% of win 8
if you don't have a touchscreen.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net  -
314-735-0270  - www.linktechs.net


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used
it on my netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What
'Must have's' Do I need to get it functional as a good
desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Josh Luthman]

Two different options

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 20, 2015 7:02 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I use something called Classic Start Menu.  Don't know if that's the same
> as Classic Shell.  But once I got it installed I stopped swearing at Bill
> Gates (and Steve Balmer)
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/20/2015 11:20 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
>> Classic Shell is what I like to use..  That fixes 99% of win 8 if you
>> don't have a touchscreen.
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>> den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:18 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials
>>
>> I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my
>> netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need
>> to get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start
>> menu replacement.
>>
>> Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Rory Conaway]

None yet.  The 500’s are overkill for the range and aesthetically not as 
pleasing.  The size is actually an important issue in some areas.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

Which CPE are you using?  The NBE-5AC-19 just started shippingThe 
PBE-5AC-500 is readily available.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting 
CPE’s over the next 3 months?   Is there any chance of supply shortages?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You can 
imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going "on the 
boat" ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out of 
your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 
years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value.  
That has to be a first.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Hey, who says they are accurate??

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized

I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands 
yet is it?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? 
Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the 
way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in 
the next couple weeks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP 
and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between 
the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I 
know this is going to be a permanent separation.
The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to 
perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live 
airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS 
and UNII-1.
I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point 
unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of 
the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect 
AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized 
units?

What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it 
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its 
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a 
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are 
going to converge?

Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any 
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future 
demand is a factor as well)

Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies 

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, charts are always good.  Especially if the chart would also have 
checkmarks for which U-NII bands they are currently approved for.  And what 
power they take.

From: Ben Moore 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

Yes, we do have too many variants.  It is being streamlined in the AC line with 
NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes). 

NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design

It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas of 
the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular in other 
parts of the world).

Would chart help?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better 
naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC.  I 
honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or 
why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.

  And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?  Because it’s crazy small?

  Then there’s the M vs W thing.

  My head hurts.


  From: Ben Moore 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

  Here you go: 

  Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
  PTP - PTP only, airPrism
  PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism

  These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP 
performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance reason to.  The 
cost is same either way...

  How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?

  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy  
wrote:


The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only 
connectorized units?

What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have 
it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure 
its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this 
a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are 
going to converge?

Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any 
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future 
demand is a factor as well)

Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products 
there?
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Bill Prince]

I use something called Classic Start Menu.  Don't know if that's the 
same as Classic Shell.  But once I got it installed I stopped swearing 
at Bill Gates (and Steve Balmer)


bp


On 3/20/2015 11:20 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

Classic Shell is what I like to use..  That fixes 99% of win 8 if you don't 
have a touchscreen.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my netbook 
before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to get it 
functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

Yes, we do have too many variants.  It is being streamlined in the AC line
with NanoBeam, Powerbeam (still will have multiple sizes).

NanoBeam = all integrated
PowerBeam = inner feed/dish design

It is a challenge with sku's since may sku's are needed for different areas
of the world (i.e. some products are very popular here and not as popular
in other parts of the world).

Would chart help?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need
> better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC,
> PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t understand the difference between a
> NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB and
> the other by antenna size in mm.
>
> And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?  Because it’s crazy
> small?
>
> Then there’s the M vs W thing.
>
> My head hurts.
>
>
>  *From:* Ben Moore 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
>
>  Here you go:
>
> Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
> PTP - PTP only, airPrism
> PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
>
> These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
> performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance reason to.  The
> cost is same either way...
>
> How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>> connectorized units?
>>
>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>
>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>
>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have
>> it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>> two things that are going to converge?
>>
>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
>> any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
>> (future demand is a factor as well)
>>
>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
>> there?
>> --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

Which CPE are you using?  The NBE-5AC-19 just started shippingThe
PBE-5AC-500 is readily available.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>  If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems
> getting CPE’s over the next 3 months?   Is there any chance of supply
> shortages?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
>
>
>
> That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You
> can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going
> "on the boat" ;)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out
> of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15
> years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
> value.  That has to be a first.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>  No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>
>
>
> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
> hands yet is it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
> done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>   Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>
> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The
> PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism
> between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as
> far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>
> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going
> to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features
> like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the
> lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>
> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point
> unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best
> of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I
> expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>
>  The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
> connectorized units?
>
>
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>
>
>
> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>
>
>
> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have
> it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
> two things that are going to converge?
>
>
>
> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
> major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
> (future demand is a factor as well)
>
>
>
> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
> there?
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Reynolds]

LoCo = "LOwCOst", also "Crazy Small"

I agree, UBNT branding/naming is absolutely horrible and even confuses 
"seasoned ubnt vets".


--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 03/20/2015 02:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need 
better naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, 
PowerBeam AC.  I honestly don’t understand the difference between a 
NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or why one has models by antenna gain in dB 
and the other by antenna size in mm.
And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco? Because it’s crazy 
small?

Then there’s the M vs W thing.
My head hurts.
*From:* Ben Moore 
*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
Here you go:
Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism
These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and 
PTMP performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance 
reason to.  The cost is same either way...

How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?
What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot
HP parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios,
but I dont know whats what now, is this a permanent separation
with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are going to
converge?
Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
products there?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ken Hohhof]

Ben, you guys have too many product variants, and in some cases need better 
naming.  Like NanoBridge, NanoBeam, PowerBeam, NanoBeam AC, PowerBeam AC.  I 
honestly don’t understand the difference between a NanoBeam and a PowerBeam, or 
why one has models by antenna gain in dB and the other by antenna size in mm.

And of course the NanoStation Loco, why is it Loco?  Because it’s crazy small?

Then there’s the M vs W thing.

My head hurts.


From: Ben Moore 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

Here you go: 

Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism

These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP 
performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance reason to.  The 
cost is same either way...

How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy  wrote:


  The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only 
connectorized units?

  What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

  Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

  I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it 
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its 
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a 
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are 
going to converge?

  Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any 
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future 
demand is a factor as well)

  Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products 
there?
  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Rory Conaway]

If I set up a new tower with 802.11ac, am I going to have any problems getting 
CPE’s over the next 3 months?   Is there any chance of supply shortages?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You can 
imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going "on the 
boat" ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out of 
your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15 
years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value.  
That has to be a first.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Hey, who says they are accurate??

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized

I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual hands 
yet is it?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link? 
Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all the 
way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done in 
the next couple weeks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The PtP 
and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism between 
the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I 
know this is going to be a permanent separation.
The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to 
perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like live 
airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack of DFS 
and UNII-1.
I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point 
unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best of 
the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I expect 
AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only connectorized 
units?

What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have it 
connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I figure its 
worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what now, is this a 
permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this two things that are 
going to converge?

Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any 
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance? (future 
demand is a factor as well)

Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products there?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

That's great!

PS I mean future predictions :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 20, 2015 6:17 PM, "Ben Moore"  wrote:

> We have had safety stock here in USA for past 365-485 days (Josh - 2
> accurate numbers in one day!)  ;)
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>>  There's an actual warehouse in the US. If he's saying they have them
>> here, then it's that distros haven't been placing orders appropriately. I
>> would expect that they are trying to slow down purchases on nanos and the
>> link for the "any day now" DFS/lower certs on nanobeam/powerbeam.
>>
>> --
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 03/20/2015 02:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me?  If
>> you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting here
>>> that distributors can pull from if needed...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know
 when it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most
 recent.


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)
>  You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were
> going "on the boat" ;)
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat"
>> out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last
>>> 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
 value.  That has to be a first.


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
 wrote:

> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not
 connectorized

  I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in
 anybodys actual hands yet is it?

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <
 mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
> link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might 
> as well go
> all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless
>> it needs done in the next couple weeks.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

[AFMUG] Eltek Smartpack - reset password?

[Randy Cosby]

Anyone know how to reset the admin password on an Eltek Smartpack?

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

We have had safety stock here in USA for past 365-485 days (Josh - 2
accurate numbers in one day!)  ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>  There's an actual warehouse in the US. If he's saying they have them
> here, then it's that distros haven't been placing orders appropriately. I
> would expect that they are trying to slow down purchases on nanos and the
> link for the "any day now" DFS/lower certs on nanobeam/powerbeam.
>
> --
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 03/20/2015 02:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me?  If
> you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist.
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting here
>> that distributors can pull from if needed...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know
>>> when it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most
>>> recent.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
 That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)
  You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were
 going "on the boat" ;)

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat"
> out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last
>> 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
>>> value.  That has to be a first.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey, who says they are accurate??

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not
>>> connectorized
>>>
>>>  I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in
>>> anybodys actual hands yet is it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <
>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
 link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
 well go
 all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless
> it needs done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>   Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>>  The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
>> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
>> differences in airprism between the two which means they will 
>> always be
>> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Reynolds]

There's an actual warehouse in the US. If he's saying they have them 
here, then it's that distros haven't been placing orders appropriately. 
I would expect that they are trying to slow down purchases on nanos and 
the link for the "any day now" DFS/lower certs on nanobeam/powerbeam.


--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 03/20/2015 02:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me?  
If you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore > wrote:


NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting
here that distributors can pull from if needed...

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor
doesn't know when it's arriving for sure?  Specifically
Nanostations being the most recent.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:

That is the good thing about these...they are being air
shipped ;-)  You can imagine what I would say with all of
the port issues if they were going "on the boat" ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and
"on the boat" out of your emails, we'd save about 15
terabytes of storage.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:

Come on now...I know I have done it at least once
before in the last 15 years...Man, can't believe
it has already been 15 years

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Well they may or may not be reliable, but you
stated a quantifiable value.  That has to be a
first.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:

Hey, who says they are accurate??

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh
Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Did Ben...just measure...in accurate
numbers?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben
Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:

No, but should be in distributors
hands in ~7-10 days.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM,
That One Guy
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this is a cheap link,
nanopowerbeams are integrated
not connectorized

I didnt give much thought to
the AF5x since its not in
anybodys actual hands yet is it?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24
PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I guess because you're too
cheap to spend an extra
$400 on the link?
Personally,

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

No...These are US version.  I know one distributed just pulled from this
stock (in addition to what they have on the water).

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me?  If
> you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting here
>> that distributors can pull from if needed...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know
>>> when it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most
>>> recent.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
 That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)
  You can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were
 going "on the boat" ;)

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat"
> out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last
>> 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
>>> value.  That has to be a first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey, who says they are accurate??

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not
>>> connectorized
>>>
>>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys
>>> actual hands yet is it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <
>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
 link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
 well go
 all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless
> it needs done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
>> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
>> differences in airprism between the two which means they will 
>> always be
>> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
>> permanent
>> separation.
>>
>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so
>> they are going to perform better than the old junk, they also 
>> have some
>> spiffy features like live airview. The biggest downside to the 
>> AC line at
>> this point is the lack o

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

Are you including the NSM5 that isn't US and can't be shipped to me?  If
you are genuinely asking I can answer but I'd prefer offlist.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting here that
> distributors can pull from if needed...
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know
>> when it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most
>> recent.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You
>>> can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going
>>> "on the boat" ;)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat"
 out of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last
> 15 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
>> value.  That has to be a first.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
 wrote:

> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not
>> connectorized
>>
>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys
>> actual hands yet is it?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <
>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
>>> link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
>>> well go
>>> all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless
 it needs done in the next couple weeks.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
 mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>
> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
> differences in airprism between the two which means they will 
> always be
> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
> permanent
> separation.
>
> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they
> are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have 
> some spiffy
> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line 
> at this
> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>
> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at
> this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC 
> should
> perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more 
> flexibility at
> this point. I expect AF5x to be better

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

NanoStations?  Who was out of Nano's?  We have thousands sitting here that
distributors can pull from if needed...

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know when
> it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most recent.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You
>> can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going
>> "on the boat" ;)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out
>>> of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15
 years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
> value.  That has to be a first.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not
> connectorized
>
> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys
> actual hands yet is it?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <
> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
>> link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
>> well go
>> all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it
>>> needs done in the next couple weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

 The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
 airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
 differences in airprism between the two which means they will 
 always be
 limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
 permanent
 separation.

 The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they
 are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some 
 spiffy
 features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at 
 this
 point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.

 I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at
 this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC 
 should
 perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more 
 flexibility at
 this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every 
 way.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
> only connectorized units?
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
> only?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

Tons of other stuff is Airshipped and yet my distributor doesn't know when
it's arriving for sure?  Specifically Nanostations being the most recent.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You
> can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going
> "on the boat" ;)
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out
>> of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15
>>> years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
 value.  That has to be a first.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not
 connectorized

 I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys
 actual hands yet is it?

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard <
 mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
> link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
> well go
> all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it
>> needs done in the next couple weeks.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>>
>>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
>>> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
>>> differences in airprism between the two which means they will 
>>> always be
>>> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
>>> permanent
>>> separation.
>>>
>>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they
>>> are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some 
>>> spiffy
>>> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at 
>>> this
>>> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at
>>> this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC 
>>> should
>>> perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more 
>>> flexibility at
>>> this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
 only connectorized units?

 What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
 only?

 Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

 I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
 already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot 
 HP
 parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I 
 dont
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

That is the good thing about these...they are being air shipped ;-)  You
can imagine what I would say with all of the port issues if they were going
"on the boat" ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out
> of your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15
>> years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
>>> value.  That has to be a first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Hey, who says they are accurate??

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>>
>>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys
>>> actual hands yet is it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard >> > wrote:
>>>
 I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the
 link? Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as 
 well go
 all the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it
> needs done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
>> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
>> differences in airprism between the two which means they will always 
>> be
>> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
>> permanent
>> separation.
>>
>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they
>> are going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some 
>> spiffy
>> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at 
>> this
>> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at
>> this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC 
>> should
>> perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility 
>> at
>> this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the
>>> only connectorized units?
>>>
>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
>>> only?
>>>
>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>>
>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
>>> already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot 
>>> HP
>>> parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I 
>>> dont
>>> know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of 
>>> ptp and
>>> ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
>>>
>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>>
>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

I can't think of any.  If you take the word "soon" and "on the boat" out of
your emails, we'd save about 15 terabytes of storage.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15
> years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
>> value.  That has to be a first.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>
>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys
>> actual hands yet is it?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
>>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
>>> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it
 needs done in the next couple weeks.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard <
 mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>
> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
> differences in airprism between the two which means they will always 
> be
> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
> permanent
> separation.
>
> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at 
> this
> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>
> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at
> this point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC 
> should
> perform best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility 
> at
> this point. I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>> connectorized units?
>>
>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism
>> only?
>>
>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>
>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
>> already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
>> parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I 
>> dont
>> know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp 
>> and
>> ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
>>
>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>
>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>> products there?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
>> team.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

Come on now...I know I have done it at least once before in the last 15
years...Man, can't believe it has already been 15 years

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable
> value.  That has to be a first.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
 No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>
> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
> hands yet is it?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
>> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it
>>> needs done in the next couple weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard >> > wrote:
>>>
 Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

 The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
 airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
 differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be
 limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a 
 permanent
 separation.

 The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
 going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
 features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
 point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.

 I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
 point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should 
 perform
 best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
 point.
 I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
> connectorized units?
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>
> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>
> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
> already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
> parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I 
> dont
> know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp 
> and
> ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?
>
> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>
> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
> products there?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
> team.
>


>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

Well they may or may not be reliable, but you stated a quantifiable value.
That has to be a first.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> Hey, who says they are accurate??
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy >> > wrote:
>>>
 this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized

 I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
 hands yet is it?

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it
>> needs done in the next couple weeks.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>>
>>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have
>>> airprism. The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently
>>> differences in airprism between the two which means they will always be
>>> limited to ptp or ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent
>>> separation.
>>>
>>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
>>> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
>>> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
>>> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
>>> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should 
>>> perform
>>> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
>>> point.
>>> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
 connectorized units?

 What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

 Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

 I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we
 already have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP
 parabolics. I figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont
 know whats what now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp 
 and
 ptmp or is this two things that are going to converge?

 Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
 there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
 performance? (future demand is a factor as well)

 Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
 products there?
 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Mathew Howard]

Yes, he did... I'm worried :P

I think I'll start polishing my pitchfork... just in case.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>>
>>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
>>> hands yet is it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
 Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
 the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
> done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
>> The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
>> airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp 
>> or
>> ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>>
>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
>> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
>> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
>> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
>> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should 
>> perform
>> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
>> point.
>> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>>> connectorized units?
>>>
>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>>
>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>>
>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP 
>>> parabolics. I
>>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats 
>>> what
>>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>>> two things that are going to converge?
>>>
>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>>
>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>>> products there?
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

Hey, who says they are accurate??

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>>
>>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
>>> hands yet is it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
 Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
 the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
> done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
>> The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
>> airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp 
>> or
>> ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>>
>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
>> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
>> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
>> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
>> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should 
>> perform
>> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
>> point.
>> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>>> connectorized units?
>>>
>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>>
>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>>
>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP 
>>> parabolics. I
>>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats 
>>> what
>>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>>> two things that are going to converge?
>>>
>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>>
>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>>> products there?
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

Did Ben...just measure...in accurate numbers?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>
>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
>> hands yet is it?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
>>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
>>> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
 done in the next couple weeks.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>
> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
> The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
> airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or
> ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>
> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>
> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform
> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
> point.
> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>> connectorized units?
>>
>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>
>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>
>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP 
>> parabolics. I
>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>> two things that are going to converge?
>>
>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>
>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>> products there?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

What do you mean getting them out?  Aren't they always in hand??? ;)

I can tell you they will be in distributors hands, pre-orders will be
shipped first.  Next shipment will be made in ~1-2 weeks.

Thanks,
Ben

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and
> pitchforks?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>>
>>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
>>> hands yet is it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
 Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
 the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
> done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
>> The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
>> airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp 
>> or
>> ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>>
>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
>> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
>> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
>> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
>> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should 
>> perform
>> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
>> point.
>> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>>> connectorized units?
>>>
>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>>
>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>>
>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP 
>>> parabolics. I
>>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats 
>>> what
>>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>>> two things that are going to converge?
>>>
>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>>
>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>>> products there?
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Mathew Howard]

So if we don't have them in two weeks we can get out our torches and
pitchforks?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>>
>> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
>> hands yet is it?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
>>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
>>> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
 done in the next couple weeks.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>
> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
> The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
> airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or
> ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>
> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
> going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
> features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
> point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>
> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform
> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this 
> point.
> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>> connectorized units?
>>
>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>
>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>
>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP 
>> parabolics. I
>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>> two things that are going to converge?
>>
>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is
>> there any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of
>> performance? (future demand is a factor as well)
>>
>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
>> products there?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Mathew Howard]

In that case, I would use ePMP force110 - pretty much the cheapest
connectorized thing you can get if you use their antennas. They won't
perform as well as UBNT AC, but better than airmax M5 and they're quite a
bit cheaper than ubnt AC.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:30 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>
> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
> hands yet is it?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
>> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
>>> done in the next couple weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

 The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
 The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
 airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or
 ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.

 The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
 going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
 features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
 point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.

 I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
 point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform
 best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point.
 I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
> connectorized units?
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>
> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>
> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. 
> I
> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
> two things that are going to converge?
>
> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
> any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
> (future demand is a factor as well)
>
> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
> products there?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] OT:Wiring ONAN LP GEN

[David]

OK,
This might be a forest question since I am using his standby power 
controller. Which I absolutely love.
I have a ONAN 3K LP Generator we are putting inside our building for 
emergency power.
I have an existing Transfer Switch on the Wall which I am cleaning up 
and it has a Terminal strip
which has Both Utility and Load outputs and 2 terminals for the contact 
relay to engage the Transfer Relay contacts.


 Where do I go to find how to wire this thing into the generator 
because I have terminals for remote start but nothing else?


Thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

No, but should be in distributors hands in ~7-10 days.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

> this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized
>
> I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
> hands yet is it?
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
>> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
>> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
>>> done in the next couple weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

 The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
 The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
 airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or
 ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.

 The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are
 going to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy
 features like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this
 point is the lack of DFS and UNII-1.

 I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
 point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform
 best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point.
 I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
> connectorized units?
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>
> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>
> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. 
> I
> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
> two things that are going to converge?
>
> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
> any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
> (future demand is a factor as well)
>
> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
> products there?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>


>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[That One Guy]

this is a cheap link, nanopowerbeams are integrated not connectorized

I didnt give much thought to the AF5x since its not in anybodys actual
hands yet is it?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
> Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
> the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
>> done in the next couple weeks.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>>
>>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism.
>>> The PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in
>>> airprism between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or
>>> ptmp, as far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>>>
>>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going
>>> to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features
>>> like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the
>>> lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this
>>> point unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform
>>> best of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point.
>>> I expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy >> > wrote:
>>>

 The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
 connectorized units?

 What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

 Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

 I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
 have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
 figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
 now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
 two things that are going to converge?

 Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
 any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
 (future demand is a factor as well)

 Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three
 products there?
 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Mathew Howard]

I guess because you're too cheap to spend an extra $400 on the link?
Personally, I wouldn't... if I'm going to go cheap, might as well go all
the way cheap and use a pair of NanoPowerBeams.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs
> done in the next couple weeks.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>>
>> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The
>> PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism
>> between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as
>> far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>>
>> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going
>> to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features
>> like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the
>> lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point
>> unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best
>> of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I
>> expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>>> connectorized units?
>>>
>>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>>
>>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>>
>>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already
>>> have it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
>>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
>>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>>> two things that are going to converge?
>>>
>>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
>>> any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
>>> (future demand is a factor as well)
>>>
>>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
>>> there?
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Josh Luthman]

I don't know why you'd do UBNT AC when you can do AF5x unless it needs done
in the next couple weeks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.
>
> The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The
> PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism
> between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as
> far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.
>
> The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going
> to perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features
> like live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the
> lack of DFS and UNII-1.
>
> I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point
> unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best
> of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I
> expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
>> connectorized units?
>>
>> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>>
>> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>>
>> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have
>> it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
>> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
>> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
>> two things that are going to converge?
>>
>> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there
>> any major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
>> (future demand is a factor as well)
>>
>> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
>> there?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Mathew Howard]

Yes, the Rockets are the only connectorized units.

The Lite is cheap and can do PtP or PtMP, but does not have airprism. The
PtP and PtMP have airPrism, but there's apparently differences in airprism
between the two which means they will always be limited to ptp or ptmp, as
far as I know this is going to be a permanent separation.

The AC radios have faster CPUs and that sort of thing, so they are going to
perform better than the old junk, they also have some spiffy features like
live airview. The biggest downside to the AC line at this point is the lack
of DFS and UNII-1.

I personally wouldn't put up anything with the old M5 stuff at this point
unless you need to for compatibility reasons, UBNT AC should perform best
of the three, but ePMP gives you a bit more flexibility at this point. I
expect AF5x to be better than any of them in every way.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

>
> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
> connectorized units?
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>
> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>
> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have
> it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
> two things that are going to converge?
>
> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
> major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
> (future demand is a factor as well)
>
> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
> there?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[Ben Moore]

Here you go:

Lite - No airPrism, will do PTP and PTMP
PTP - PTP only, airPrism
PTMP - PTMP only, airPrism

These are split due to the filtering used for each (maximize PTP and PTMP
performance).  We won't split unless there is a performance reason to.  The
cost is same either way...

How much is the budget?  Consider AF-5X?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:02 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

>
> The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
> connectorized units?
>
> What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?
>
> Are some of these shipping without all there guts?
>
> I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have
> it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
> figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
> now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
> two things that are going to converge?
>
> Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
> major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
> (future demand is a factor as well)
>
> Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
> there?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

[That One Guy]

The current iteractions of the rocket AC line, these are the only
connectorized units?

What are the differences between lite, ptp, and ptmp airprism only?

Are some of these shipping without all there guts?

I am looking at replacing an old shitbucket tranzeo link, we already have
it connected to one pol of a set of radiowaves 2 foot HP parabolics. I
figure its worth checking out these AC radios, but I dont know whats what
now, is this a permanent separation with UBNT of ptp and ptmp or is this
two things that are going to converge?

Other than the Ac component, for a low throughput demand link is there any
major benefit of going to the AC over the M5 in terms of performance?
(future demand is a factor as well)

Also considering the epmp, goods, bads uglies between the three products
there?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Caleb Knauer]

Use 300lbs?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> How do you replace things then?!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 20, 2015 2:29 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>
>> Scotch extreme double sided tape from home depot is some incredible stuff.
>> One square inch will hold like 200lbs
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2015 11:26 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've tried that stuff here and there.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it
>>> falls apart (the adhesive, not the finger/loop).
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:

 using the walmart "Velcro" brand, says its industrial adhesive


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
>
> Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>>
>> lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
>> Alabama 10 years ago!
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> #justOhioThings
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:

 I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for
 8+ years.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:
>
> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a
> LOT of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
>>
>> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[Jaime Solorza]

Some new WISP tried to cheat on agreement on mountain site. Installed some
of type poe splitter on 5 runs from toughswitch...was been charged for 5
radios on tower but had 10 !!! Another WISP turned him in for this and not
coordinating frequencies and two others on same site.   He is getting stuff
off tower...some creative way ..shame he was a crook

Jaime Solorza
On Mar 20, 2015 2:31 PM,  wrote:

>   http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=68
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77
>
>  *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?
>
>  Was just trying to look for an easy way to mount a camera to an ePMP. I
> guess two ethernet lines will be ok.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Tycon Power has something.
>>
>>
>> I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does
>>> anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[chuck]

http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=68
http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77

From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

Was just trying to look for an easy way to mount a camera to an ePMP. I guess 
two ethernet lines will be ok.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Tycon Power has something. 



I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does 
anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Glen Waldrop]

All of the updates did improve it greatly, but I've still had several here that 
I compared with a fresh Vista (updated) vs 7.

7 was still faster, though we're talking 10% or so.

In games there really wasn't any difference beyond load time. Vista load time 
was usually 50-100% longer.

A good Vista machine has impressed me in the past, but that same machine 
upgraded to 7 was faster.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials


  It upgraded to become 7.1 anyway.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 20, 2015 2:46 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

Hey now, Vista had a few good attributes...

Like, uhm... a start menu...

and... uh...

If your system was 4x the system requirements it *could* play a game kinda 
pretty...



  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials


  wipe it, put windows 7 or windows 10 beta on it, not worth the nonsense 
hassle, 8 is the vista of today


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:

Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

Classic Shell start menu.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my 
netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to 
get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu 
replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Josh Luthman]

It upgraded to become 7.1 anyway.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 20, 2015 2:46 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

>  Hey now, Vista had a few good attributes...
>
> Like, uhm... a start menu...
>
> and... uh...
>
> If your system was 4x the system requirements it *could* play a game kinda
> pretty...
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* That One Guy 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 1:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials
>
> wipe it, put windows 7 or windows 10 beta on it, not worth the nonsense
> hassle, 8 is the vista of today
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials
>>
>> Classic Shell start menu.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials
>>
>> I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my
>> netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need
>> to get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start
>> menu replacement.
>>
>> Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Josh Luthman]

How do you replace things then?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 20, 2015 2:29 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> Scotch extreme double sided tape from home depot is some incredible stuff.
> One square inch will hold like 200lbs
> On Mar 20, 2015 11:26 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I've tried that stuff here and there.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it
>> falls apart (the adhesive, not the finger/loop).
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> using the walmart "Velcro" brand, says its industrial adhesive
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

> lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
> Alabama 10 years ago!
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> #justOhioThings
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for
>>> 8+ years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a
 LOT of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg 
 wrote:

> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
> wrote:
>
>> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Glen Waldrop]

Hey now, Vista had a few good attributes...

Like, uhm... a start menu...

and... uh...

If your system was 4x the system requirements it *could* play a game kinda 
pretty...



  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials


  wipe it, put windows 7 or windows 10 beta on it, not worth the nonsense 
hassle, 8 is the vista of today


  On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

Classic Shell start menu.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my 
netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to 
get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu 
replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Nate Burke]

Wiped and installing 7.  I did extract the Key, so I guess I could 
dualboot it if I wanted.



On 3/20/2015 1:29 PM, That One Guy wrote:
wipe it, put windows 7 or windows 10 beta on it, not worth the 
nonsense hassle, 8 is the vista of today


On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

Classic Shell start menu.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on
my netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must
have's' Do I need to get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm
guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Tyler Treat]

classicshell start menu
powershell is handy 


Anything else i'd think is whatever you'd normally have.  
8.1 has been great for me overall once i fixed the stupid start menu.
...Looking forward to the release of 10.  


From: Af  on behalf of Rory Conaway 

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

Get Powershell if you want to maintain your sanity.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:18 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my netbook 
before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to get it 
functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[That One Guy]

wipe it, put windows 7 or windows 10 beta on it, not worth the nonsense
hassle, 8 is the vista of today

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials
>
> Classic Shell start menu.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials
>
> I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my
> netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need
> to get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start
> menu replacement.
>
> Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?
>
> Nate
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[TJ Trout]

Scotch extreme double sided tape from home depot is some incredible stuff.
One square inch will hold like 200lbs
On Mar 20, 2015 11:26 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> I've tried that stuff here and there.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it
> falls apart (the adhesive, not the finger/loop).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> using the walmart "Velcro" brand, says its industrial adhesive
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
 Alabama 10 years ago!


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> #justOhioThings
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+
>> years.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a
>>> LOT of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:

> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>
> Tim
>
>

>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Nate Burke]

Looks like I might be going back to win7.  Doesn't look like this 
version of Win8 supports RDP Connections.  They want $100 to upgrade to Pro.




On 3/20/2015 1:20 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

Classic Shell is what I like to use..  That fixes 99% of win 8 if you don't 
have a touchscreen.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my netbook 
before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to get it 
functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Rory Conaway]

Oops, I meant Classic Shell.  Thanks.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Pike
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

Classic Shell start menu.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my netbook 
before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to get it 
functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Josh Luthman]

I've tried that stuff here and there.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it
falls apart (the adhesive, not the finger/loop).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> using the walmart "Velcro" brand, says its industrial adhesive
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
>>> Alabama 10 years ago!
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 #justOhioThings


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

> I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+
> years.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a
>> LOT of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?

 Tim


>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Kurt Fankhauser]

using the walmart "Velcro" brand, says its industrial adhesive


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
>> Alabama 10 years ago!
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> #justOhioThings
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+
 years.


 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a
> LOT of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
>
>> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Gabriel Pike]

Classic Shell start menu.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my
netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need
to get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start
menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Josh Luthman]

Are you using the 3M super duty stuff?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
> Alabama 10 years ago!
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> #justOhioThings
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+
>>> years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a LOT
 of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
> wrote:
>
>> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Dennis Burgess]

Classic Shell is what I like to use..  That fixes 99% of win 8 if you don't 
have a touchscreen.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my netbook 
before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to get it 
functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Rory Conaway]

Get Powershell if you want to maintain your sanity.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:18 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my netbook 
before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I need to get it 
functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of start menu replacement.

Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

[AFMUG] OT: Win8 Essentials

[Nate Burke]

I'm setting up a new Desktop with Windows 8.  I've only used it on my 
netbook before, but it's much smaller screen.  What 'Must have's' Do I 
need to get it functional as a good desktop?  I'm guessing some sort of 
start menu replacement.


Or should I just wipe it and put Windows7 on it?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Kurt Fankhauser]

lol Josh, I actually picked up that Velcro technique from JonnyO in
Alabama 10 years ago!


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> #justOhioThings
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+
>> years.
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a LOT
>>> of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
 We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:

> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>
> Tim
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Was just trying to look for an easy way to mount a camera to an ePMP. I
guess two ethernet lines will be ok.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Tycon Power has something.
>
>
>  I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does
>> anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Josh Luthman]

#justOhioThings


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+
> years.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a LOT
>> of DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:
>>>
 Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?

 Tim


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I do Velcro a lot too for the Routerboards. Been working great for 8+ years.


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a LOT of
> DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:
>>
>>> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Tim Reichhart]

Do you guys have an picture of this setup by any chance?

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this
enclosure

I have in the past drilled and tapped holes in the backplane and then
installed screws into the top of the panel with double nuts on the
underside.  The screws of course line up with the keyholes on the RB2011.

It's more space efficient to mount it sideways though.  For that I've taken
the cover off and attached a DIN bracket to the rear surface of the cover,
then it can snap onto a DIN rail.

> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>
> Tim
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Adam Moffett]

I have in the past drilled and tapped holes in the backplane and then 
installed screws into the top of the panel with double nuts on the 
underside.  The screws of course line up with the keyholes on the RB2011.


It's more space efficient to mount it sideways though.  For that I've 
taken the cover off and attached a DIN bracket to the rear surface of 
the cover, then it can snap onto a DIN rail.



Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Josh Luthman]

I just did heavy duty velcro to the inside of the door, but I had a LOT of
DIN stuff on the right and a smaller box.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:
>
>> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] whats the best way to mount RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure

[Chuck Hogg]

We usually put in DIN rail and mount it to the DIN rail.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart  wrote:

> Whats the best to mount  RB2011iL-IN into this enclosure?
>
> Tim
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[Adam Moffett]

Tycon Power has something.

I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but 
does anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[CARL PETERSON]

You could use TP-DCDC-1248M but you would need to split out the passive 24V and 
screw it down on the DC input.  

Carl Peterson
PORT NETWORKS


On Mar 20, 2015, at 12:50 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

> I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does 
> anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[Jerry Richardson]

Not sure you will find something that can take 24V PoE in and give you 48V PoE 
out

If you have 24VDC, this might be a solution:

http://www.air802.com/dc-dc-converter-poe-injector-adapter-with-10-26vdc-input-48vdc-poe-output-din-rail-mount.html


Jerry 

> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:50 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does 
> anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?

[AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS -> 802.1af?

[can...@believewireless.net]

I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does
anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?

[AFMUG] For Sale - UniFo Pro 3-Pak

[Rory Conaway]

I've got 2 brand new boxes of UniFi Pro 3Paks.   Retail is about $600 per box.  
Make me an offer I can't refuse off-list.

Rory

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

It is better to walk alone, than with a crowd going the wrong direction.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[Kurt Fankhauser]

   Matt,
> > That pricing lines up with what I was
> > told by Cambium at the shows. I am
> > going to assume that since its MSRP
> > that WISPS can buy at 80% of that
> > price level so then we are looking at
> > $1160.00 for the lite AP and then the
> > upgrade key so that is right there
> > with what a full-AP would have cost so
> > really no price disadvantage to start
> > out with the lite-AP.
> > This is wonderfull news! I am planning
> > on ripping out a bunch of EPMP and
> > putting 450 in its place.
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> >
> > Wavelinc Communications
> >
> > P.O. Box 126
> >
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >
> > http://www.wavelinc.com
> > <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
> <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
> >
> > tel. 419-562-6405 
> >
> > fax. 419-617-0110 
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:06 PM,
> > Mathew Howard  > <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I was just told $1449 MSRP, and
> > $1449 MSRP to upgrade to a full AP.
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:36 AM,
> > Caleb Knauer
> >  > <mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > So the only difference is the
> > SU count? If so, that's quite
> >     refreshing. Well, let's see
> > the price first.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17
> > AM, Matt Mangriotis
> > <
> matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com
> >
> <mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Not sure if anyone has seen
> > this yet, but here you go!
> >     >
> >     >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read about the applications
> > that I think you might be able
> > to use one of
> > > these (of course, you guys
> > know better than me? so if I
> > messed up on any of
> > > these, or you have any to
> > add, let me know!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > See your resellers to order
> > them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 AP Lite - Now Available!

[David]

SU count? If so, that's quite
> refreshing. Well, let's see
> the price first.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:17
> AM, Matt Mangriotis
>  <mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
> wrote:
> > Not sure if anyone has seen
> this yet, but here you go!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2015/03/18/cambium-networks-announces-pmp-450-access-point-lite-model

> >
> >
> >
> > Read about the applications
> that I think you might be able
> to use one of
>     > these (of course, you guys
> know better than me? so if I
> messed up on any of
> > these, or you have any to
> add, let me know!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog
> >
> >
> >
> > See your resellers to order
> them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Why doesn't cambium want people to see their datasheets?

[Jay Weekley]

I have found that lasdjflksdj...@lksajflkjsdl.com works as well.

Jaime Solorza wrote:

my favorite is Chuck U. Farley

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Don't give them ideas.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, March
20, 2015 8:54 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Why doesn't
cambium want people to see their datasheets?
Super annoying that I still have to fill out that capcha form for
every spec sheet download...  Just curious if that database
actually contains any usable data, or is full of Mr A B with
Company A contact at a...@b.com phone 1234567890

Although I guess at least they don't email you the link for
download, and that's the only way you can get them.

Re: [AFMUG] Why doesn't cambium want people to see their datasheets?

[Ken Hohhof]

Some sort of cookie fills in the form each time for me (as Fred Flinstone), but 
Nate is right, there is a capcha at the bottom.  I’m not sure that was always 
there.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 9:21 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Why doesn't cambium want people to see their datasheets?

my favorite is Chuck U. Farley

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Don't give them ideas.


  -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 8:54 
AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Why doesn't cambium want people to see 
their datasheets? 

  Super annoying that I still have to fill out that capcha form for every spec 
sheet download...  Just curious if that database actually contains any 
usable data, or is full of Mr A B with Company A contact at a...@b.com phone 
1234567890

  Although I guess at least they don't email you the link for download, and 
that's the only way you can get them.