[AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
site and need to monitor the lights

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[Lewis Bergman]

Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving you
an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
have to monitor current.
On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
> site and need to monitor the lights
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Mike Hammett]

I bought one of those only to realize that the bit was SDS Max, while the drill 
was only SDS Plus. :-\ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:46:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver 

There's a ground rod driver attachment for most roto hammers, definitely for 
SDS Max, maybe SDS Plus. You'd want to use this in almost every case since it 
doesn't mushroom-head the end of the rod like a sledgehammer. 


On 5/19/2015 10:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



is that just a rotary hammer wit the ground rod in the chuck? 


On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!! The ground was not too hard. It was 
pretty cool. 
Jaime Solorza 





-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

What's the best tool to use?
On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving you
> an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
> have to monitor current.
> On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>
>> What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
>> site and need to monitor the lights
>>
>

[AFMUG] Suddenlink... sold.

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/05/altice-steps-into-us-cable-ma-ring/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Suddenlink... sold.

[tim]

They also are "rumored to have also eyed an acquisition of Time Warner 
Cable."




On 2015-05-20 08:10, Mike Hammett wrote:

http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/05/altice-steps-into-us-cable-ma-ring/

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[AFMUG] mimosa

[Ryan Mano]

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergratedam 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck McCown]

How much?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It was 
pretty cool. 

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck McCown]

Nevermind.  I would need cordless.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

How much?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It was 
pretty cool. 

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband?  Digis (JAB) is no Rise Broadband in 
parts of Utah.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[KevinR]

As far as I know just a name change.
T6 is also now Rise Broadband.
I suspect they are bringing all the different brands under one name.








> On May 20, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband?  Digis (JAB) is no Rise Broadband 
> in parts of Utah.

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Rory Conaway]

I've got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that's a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I'm using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c's.  I don't have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c's with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it's shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn't get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergratedam 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[Tyler Treat]

pretty sure it's just a single brand effort.   They just blasted postcards 
everywhere around here.


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband?  Digis (JAB) is no Rise Broadband in 
parts of Utah.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[Chuck McCown]

Channeling Don Draper:
The word Rise (in this context) makes me think of both derision and viagra.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

pretty sure it's just a single brand effort.   They just blasted postcards 
everywhere around here.





From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband 

Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband?  Digis (JAB) is no Rise Broadband in 
parts of Utah.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Airline Miles

[David Sovereen]

Delta is a founding member of SkyTeam, and is not a member of OneWorld.  
American is part of OneWorld.

There’s are a ton of programs out there.  It takes time to analyze which ones 
are best for you.  There isn’t a one-card-fits-all answer.

One of my favorite cards is the US Bank FlexPerks Travel Rewards VISA card.  
With it, 20,000 points will buy a $400 ticket.  This equates to getting 
approximately 2% value for points.  But as an ISP, I have a lot of telco 
expense and a lot of gas expense, and this card gives you double points on 
telco and gas purchases.  So $10,000 of spend in those two categories gets you 
20,000 points or $400 on an airline ticket purchase… approximately 4% of value.

The Delta Platinum AmEx and Delta Reserve AmEx are good cards if you fly a lot 
with Delta.  They have high fees, but the perks are good if you travel often.  
You can earn Medallion Qualification Miles for spending on those cards, which 
can get you Elite Status (free upgrades to first).  The Delta Reserve card also 
gets you into Sky Club lounges.  To me, a main perk of the lounges and being 
seated in the front of the plane is the free booze, and I suspect that isn’t of 
interest to you, so these cards are probably not of interest.  The Delta Gold 
AmEx card has the lowest annual fee and will get you and everyone traveling on 
your reservation a free checked bag.  If you travel Delta even once per year 
and check a bag, the annual fee has paid for itself.  Delta SkyMiles themselves 
tend to be of less value (i.e. it costs more miles to get somewhere) compared 
to American Advantage and United MileagePlus miles.

For someone who doesn’t have lots of spend in the telco and gas categories, the 
Capital One cards with 2% value that others already mentioned are a very good 
choice.  You can redeem for travel on your choice of airlines.

There are also people who sign up for a card for just for bonus miles.  Some of 
the sign-on bonuses are enough for a free round-trip ticket.  Get the card, get 
the bonus, take a trip, cancel the card.  Repeat in two years when your 
eligible to sign up and get bonus miles again.

Dave

 
> On May 19, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
>  
> Since you’re in Salt Lake, Delta is the carrier you want to link up with. 
>  
> Their reward program is One World.  Any carrier that is part of One World you 
> should be able to “transfer” miles between.
>  
> I fly United which is Star Alliance.  So I can book flights on say Lufthansa 
> with my miles.
> 
> Which program is the best, to me is really a moot point.  What carrier is 
> prominent in the airport you fly out of and goes to where you want to go is 
> more important.  I know I have seen on the internet Star Alliance is supposed 
> to be the best “group” but I fly United because they have almost 1/3 of the 
> gates out of Denver.
>  
> ***
> Daniel White - Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn 
>  
> ***
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Airline Miles
>  
> I have never played the miles game but I want to learn.  What kind of miles 
> are transferrable between air carriers?  What does a “mile” actually equate 
> to in dollars saved?  I presume some credit cards are better for this?
> 
> 
>    
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> www.avast.com 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Shayne Lebrun]

They're good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  'auto everything'
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for
example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things
impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.

 

We're eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

I've got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with
Cambium gear, that's a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.
You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower
where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a
lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I'm using the
Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c's.  I don't
have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the
worst case scenario.  I have another colleague that is using the B5c's with
Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a
34dBi antenna and it's shooting 32 miles.   He couldn't get enough
throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is
getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated..am
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same
towers

 

thanks

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Craig House]

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun  wrote:
> 
> They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
> mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for 
> example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things 
> impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.
>  
> We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
> will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>  
> I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
> Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
> GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
> probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where 
> I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 
> 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous 
> dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any 
> comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case 
> scenario.  I have another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti 
> antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi 
> antenna and it’s shooting 32 miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out 
> of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times 
> more throughput, about 200Mbps.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa
>  
> Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
> looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
> towers
>  
> thanks
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Bill Prince]

Wonder how it would work with just a bulldog? Almost as heavy, and 
pretty much the same speed, etc.


bp


On 5/19/2015 8:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Demolition hammer drill with ground rod in chuck. Here are our other 
toys..


Jaime Solorza

On May 19, 2015 9:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


is that just a rotary hammer wit the ground rod in the chuck?

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too
hard. It was pretty cool.

Jaime Solorza




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[Ken Hohhof]

So it got a rise out of you?

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

Channeling Don Draper:
The word Rise (in this context) makes me think of both derision and viagra.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

pretty sure it's just a single brand effort.   They just blasted postcards 
everywhere around here.





From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband 

Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband?  Digis (JAB) is no Rise Broadband in 
parts of Utah.

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Ryan Mano]

Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Mathew Howard]

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would
probably go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
wrote:

>  Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get
> connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the
> best to get to work with this?
>
>
>
> One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a
> ptp450…would like to know the model number of that dish you are using for
> this radio and also if any others
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a
> third one is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2
> foot dishes is easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all.
> Mine of course our connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up
> that we were told were only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we
> use them for several months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles
> they did have stability problems but it got us through the pinch. And even
> at that distance we were getting pretty good signals according to the
> radios and about 200 meg of throughput but they did drop from time to time.
> When we put those up we didn't have time to order replacement radios to
> properly install them it was a quick fix to see if we could make them work
> and they did.   I also agree that the new firmware release coming out will
> solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have with them like the monitoring
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun  wrote:
>
>  They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto
> everything’ mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable
> choices, for example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes
> things impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.
>
>
>
> We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which
> supposedly will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with
> Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability
> with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation
> methods.  You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the
> one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where
> I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m
> using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the
> B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just
> planned for the worst case scenario.  I have another colleague that is
> using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same
> roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 miles.   He
> couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the
> Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Mano
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am
> looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same
> towers
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Craig House]

We are using 2'&3' Andrews Commscope dishes 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2015, at 09:23, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would 
> probably go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.
> 
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano  
>> wrote:
>> Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
>> connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best 
>> to get to work with this?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a 
>> ptp450…would like to know the model number of that dish you are using for 
>> this radio and also if any others
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third 
>> one is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot 
>> dishes is easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of 
>> course our connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we 
>> were told were only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them 
>> for several months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did 
>> have stability problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that 
>> distance we were getting pretty good signals according to the radios and 
>> about 200 meg of throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put 
>> those up we didn't have time to order replacement radios to properly install 
>> them it was a quick fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I 
>> also agree that the new firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a 
>> lot of issues that we have with them like the monitoring
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun  wrote:
>> 
>> They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
>> mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for 
>> example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things 
>> impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
>> will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
>> Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
>> GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  
>> You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower 
>> where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a 
>> lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the 
>> Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t 
>> have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the 
>> worst case scenario.  I have another colleague that is using the B5c’s with 
>> Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 
>> 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 miles.   He couldn’t get enough 
>> throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is 
>> getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>> Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
>> looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
>> towers
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Jaime Fink]

+1 on the Jirous dishes

Jaime Fink
CPO & Co-Founder
Mimosa

From: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 7:23 AM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would probably 
go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
mailto:rm...@corp.mdswireless.com>> wrote:
Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

[David]

Does this sensor fit directly on the tank or inline with the hose?


On 05/19/2015 08:25 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://www.rochestergauges.com/products/R6315-12.html
*From:* David Milholen 
*Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2015 9:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge
I am looking for a LP gas gauge that has a sensor for remote
sense in the measure of ohms to connect to a site monitor or possibly 
the standby controller  we have

to let us know the level of our LP tank.

ALSO forest,
If you would be so kind to tell me the secret rule for configuring the 
exorcise rule for a 2 wire generator config.
When I  set it up it either doesnt start at all or even trigger the 
standby sequence. Other configs I have tried

will start it but it doesnt complete the cycle.


--

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Rory Conaway]

I like the Jirous antennas.  I’ve got that exact setup going in for a 5’ mile 
link but I have to put one of the antennas on a roof with a boatload of 
interference (hence the Jirous antenna with the integrated shroud) and I’m 
probably using DFS frequencies.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:23 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would probably 
go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
mailto:rm...@corp.mdswireless.com>> wrote:
Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

[Chuck McCown]

You take the dial off the existing gauge and install the sending unit in its 
place.  The dial goes back on top I think so you don’t lose the local 
indicator.  

From: David 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

Does this sensor fit directly on the tank or inline with the hose?



On 05/19/2015 08:25 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  http://www.rochestergauges.com/products/R6315-12.html

  From: David Milholen 
  Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

  I am looking for a LP gas gauge that has a sensor for remote 
  sense in the measure of ohms to connect to a site monitor or possibly the 
standby controller  we have 
  to let us know the level of our LP tank.

  ALSO forest,
  If you would be so kind to tell me the secret rule for configuring the 
exorcise rule for a 2 wire generator config.
  When I  set it up it either doesnt start at all or even trigger the standby 
sequence. Other configs I have tried 
  will start it but it doesnt complete the cycle.



  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Ryan Mano]

Am looking at the specs…do the connectorized come with cables to attach to dish?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I like the Jirous antennas.  I’ve got that exact setup going in for a 5’ mile 
link but I have to put one of the antennas on a roof with a boatload of 
interference (hence the Jirous antenna with the integrated shroud) and I’m 
probably using DFS frequencies.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:23 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would probably 
go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
mailto:rm...@corp.mdswireless.com>> wrote:
Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[Jeremy]

Site Monitor?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:57 AM, joseph marsh 
wrote:

> What's the best tool to use?
> On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving
>> you an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
>> have to monitor current.
>> On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>>
>>> What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
>>> site and need to monitor the lights
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[Jeremy]

There was an interview last year that mentioned that Jab was uniting all of
their networks under one name by the end of last year.  Then there is this
http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/fixed-wisp-rise-plans-network-upgrade-it-unites-under-one-brand/2015-05-15

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   So it got a rise out of you?
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband
>
>   Channeling Don Draper:
> The word Rise (in this context) makes me think of both derision and
> viagra.
>
>  *From:* Tyler Treat 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband
>
>
> pretty sure it's just a single brand effort.   They just blasted postcards
> everywhere around here.
>  --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rise Broadband
>
>   Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband?  Digis (JAB) is no Rise
> Broadband in parts of Utah.
>

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Rory Conaway]

No.  Order the RP-SMA option on the dish and Jirous has the cables for about $9.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:52 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

Am looking at the specs…do the connectorized come with cables to attach to dish?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I like the Jirous antennas.  I’ve got that exact setup going in for a 5’ mile 
link but I have to put one of the antennas on a roof with a boatload of 
interference (hence the Jirous antenna with the integrated shroud) and I’m 
probably using DFS frequencies.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:23 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would probably 
go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
mailto:rm...@corp.mdswireless.com>> wrote:
Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yea. They are late now ;-)).



Auto everything is a great Idea. With two distinct channels they even have the 
chance to test a channel without dropping the link.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa



They're good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  'auto everything' 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.



We're eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa



I've got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that's a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I'm using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c's.  I don't have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c's with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it's shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn't get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa



Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergratedam 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers



thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband

[Mike Hammett]

I've seen a ton of press releases about it over the past week. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:57:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband 


There was an interview last year that mentioned that Jab was uniting all of 
their networks under one name by the end of last year. Then there is this 
http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/fixed-wisp-rise-plans-network-upgrade-it-unites-under-one-brand/2015-05-15
 


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






So it got a rise out of you? 




From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:36 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband 




Channeling Don Draper: 
The word Rise (in this context) makes me think of both derision and viagra. 




From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:33 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband 



pretty sure it's just a single brand effort. They just blasted postcards 
everywhere around here. 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:30 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband 




Anyone know anything about Rise Broadband? Digis (JAB) is no Rise Broadband in 
parts of Utah. 

[AFMUG] ISP Radio TODAY -- WISPA Lobbing and Advocacy Day

[Dennis Burgess]

Today we will have Elizabeth Bowles from Aristotle.  
We will be talking about the recent WISPA activity in Washington DC called 
Advocacy Day as well as recent lobbing efforts by WISPA.



Wednesday 11am CST



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Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Ryan Mano]

Also heard that you don’t need to wrap the connectors with tape is this true?

Because wrapping the connector leaves water trapped?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

No.  Order the RP-SMA option on the dish and Jirous has the cables for about $9.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:52 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

Am looking at the specs…do the connectorized come with cables to attach to dish?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I like the Jirous antennas.  I’ve got that exact setup going in for a 5’ mile 
link but I have to put one of the antennas on a roof with a boatload of 
interference (hence the Jirous antenna with the integrated shroud) and I’m 
probably using DFS frequencies.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:23 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would probably 
go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
mailto:rm...@corp.mdswireless.com>> wrote:
Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Mike Hammett]

That 3' Jirous is a bit rich, so I haven't tried it, but I would expect it to 
be awesome. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:33:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 



I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great. As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one. Because there is no interoperability with GPS 
between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods. You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more. On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s. I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario. I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles. He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM 
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa 

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers 

thanks 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Mike Hammett]

I am not a fan of non-connectorized backhauls as they generally have to be 
quite large to have sufficient power\isolation. 

brinknetworks.com EX MIMO are generally the series you'll want. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ryan Mano"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:54:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 



Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this? 

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others 

thanks 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 


I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did. I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring 

Sent from my iPhone 


On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun < sleb...@muskoka.com > wrote: 



They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning. ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example. 
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact. 

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination. 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great. As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one. Because there is no interoperability with GPS 
between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods. You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more. On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s. I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario. I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles. He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM 
To: ' af@afmug.com ' 
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa 

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers 

thanks 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Shayne Lebrun]

Well, I've seen mine, more than once, decide 'hey, I'll use an 80 mhz
channel, despite that giant 20mhz wide spike, right in the middle,  caused
by the PTP600 that's sitting on the same tower! Yay!'  Then the PTP600 goes
to crap.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

Yea. They are late now ;-)).

 

Auto everything is a great Idea. With two distinct channels they even have
the chance to test a channel without dropping the link. 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

They're good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  'auto everything'
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for
example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things
impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.

 

We're eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

I've got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with
Cambium gear, that's a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.
You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower
where I was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a
lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I'm using the
Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c's.  I don't
have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the
worst case scenario.  I have another colleague that is using the B5c's with
Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a
34dBi antenna and it's shooting 32 miles.   He couldn't get enough
throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is
getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated..am
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same
towers

 

thanks

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Mark Radabaugh]

You can carve out any or as many parts of the spectrum to prohibit the 
B5 from using as you wish.   You can do the same for the PTP600.


Mark

On 5/20/15 11:19 AM, Shayne Lebrun wrote:


Well, I�ve seen mine, more than once, decide �hey, I�ll use an 80 mhz 
channel, despite that giant 20mhz wide spike, right in the middle, 
 caused by the PTP600 that�s sitting on the same tower! Yay!�  Then 
the PTP600 goes to crap.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

Yea. They are late now ;-)).

Auto everything is a great Idea. With two distinct channels they even 
have the chance to test a channel without dropping the link.


*Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Shayne Lebrun
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44
*An:* af@afmug.com 
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

They�re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  �auto 
everything� mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable 
choices, for example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which 
makes things impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.


We�re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which 
supposedly will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it 
with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.  Because there is no 
interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on 
normal isolation methods.  You probably want to keep them at least 10 
apart or more.  On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue 
and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and 
others on the same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in 
shrouds and then using the B5c�s.  I don�t have any comparison to the 
B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I 
have another colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas 
with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi 
antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles.   He couldn�t get enough 
throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he 
is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mano
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
*To:* 'af@afmug.com'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 
intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with 
cambium gear on the same towers


thanks




--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Mike Hammett]

Two auto-channel radios sound interesting. You can carve out exceptions for 
constant noise sources. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Shayne Lebrun"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:19:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 



Well, I’ve seen mine, more than once, decide ‘hey, I’ll use an 80 mhz channel, 
despite that giant 20mhz wide spike, right in the middle, caused by the PTP600 
that’s sitting on the same tower! Yay!’ Then the PTP600 goes to crap. 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 

Yea. They are late now ;-)). 

Auto everything is a great Idea. With two distinct channels they even have the 
chance to test a channel without dropping the link. 




Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 

They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning. ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example. 
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact. 

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination. 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great. As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one. Because there is no interoperability with GPS 
between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods. You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more. On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s. I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario. I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles. He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM 
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa 

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated….am 
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same 
towers 

thanks 

[AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Nate Burke]

I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and 
win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD 
GET RADIOS !!*


Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have 
a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea 
when they'll be getting more radios to fill it.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Josh Luthman]

Try the stock locator?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 20, 2015 11:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD
> GET RADIOS !!*
>
> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a
> standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Ben Moore]

Hi Nate -

The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each
week.  There are many that have received so we are doing this to give
feedback to those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput,
applications, etc...).

Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when they
should be receiving.  More are being received each week.

Regards,
Ben

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD
> GET RADIOS !!*
>
> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a
> standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Mathew Howard]

Speaking of which, the B5c comes with some really nice tape for sealing the
connectors... I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it seems to work well.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>  Always wrap your connectors.  I even do that in Arizona.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mano
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:16 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> Also heard that you don’t need to wrap the connectors with tape is this
> true?
>
>
>
> Because wrapping the connector leaves water trapped?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> No.  Order the RP-SMA option on the dish and Jirous has the cables for
> about $9.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Mano
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:52 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> Am looking at the specs…do the connectorized come with cables to attach to
> dish?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> I like the Jirous antennas.  I’ve got that exact setup going in for a 5’
> mile link but I have to put one of the antennas on a roof with a boatload
> of interference (hence the Jirous antenna with the integrated shroud) and
> I’m probably using DFS frequencies.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:23 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would
> probably go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
> wrote:
>
> Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get
> connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the
> best to get to work with this?
>
>
>
> One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a
> ptp450…would like to know the model number of that dish you are using for
> this radio and also if any others
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a
> third one is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2
> foot dishes is easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all.
> Mine of course our connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up
> that we were told were only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we
> use them for several months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles
> they did have stability problems but it got us through the pinch. And even
> at that distance we were getting pretty good signals according to the
> radios and about 200 meg of throughput but they did drop from time to time.
> When we put those up we didn't have time to order replacement radios to
> properly install them it was a quick fix to see if we could make them work
> and they did.   I also agree that the new firmware release coming out will
> solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have with them like the monitoring
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun  wrote:
>
>  They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto
> everything’ mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable
> choices, for example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes
> things impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.
>
>
>
> We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which
> supposedly will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with
> Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability
> with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation
> methods.  You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the
> one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location where
> I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m
> using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the
> B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just
> planned for the worst case scenario.  I have another colleague that is
> using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same
> roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 miles.   He
> couldn’

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Rory Conaway]

Always wrap your connectors.  I even do that in Arizona.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 8:16 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

Also heard that you don’t need to wrap the connectors with tape is this true?

Because wrapping the connector leaves water trapped?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

No.  Order the RP-SMA option on the dish and Jirous has the cables for about $9.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:52 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

Am looking at the specs…do the connectorized come with cables to attach to dish?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I like the Jirous antennas.  I’ve got that exact setup going in for a 5’ mile 
link but I have to put one of the antennas on a roof with a boatload of 
interference (hence the Jirous antenna with the integrated shroud) and I’m 
probably using DFS frequencies.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:23 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

At 8 miles, I would definitely go with 2' dishes and the B5c. I would probably 
go with the Jirous JRC-29 EXTREME MIMO.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ryan Mano 
mailto:rm...@corp.mdswireless.com>> wrote:
Ok that’s good to know…my links would be around 8 miles…so I should get 
connectorized instead of intergrated….as for the dish what would be the best to 
get to work with this?

One mentioned jirous which I have used on a pervious link with a ptp450…would 
like to know the model number of that dish you are using for this radio and 
also if any others

thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I agree with this evaluation I only have two links up right now but a third one 
is halfway installed. The throughput on them at 10 miles with 2 foot dishes is 
easily doing 500 Mb and not dropping connections at all. Mine of course our 
connectorized but we also have a pair of integrated up that we were told were 
only good for 5 to 6 miles by the manufacture and we use them for several 
months in an emergency situation at almost 12 miles they did have stability 
problems but it got us through the pinch. And even at that distance we were 
getting pretty good signals according to the radios and about 200 meg of 
throughput but they did drop from time to time. When we put those up we didn't 
have time to order replacement radios to properly install them it was a quick 
fix to see if we could make them work and they did.   I also agree that the new 
firmware release coming out will solve hopefully a lot of issues that we have 
with them like the monitoring

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 08:43, Shayne Lebrun 
mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com>> wrote:
They’re good little radios, but they need some seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ 
mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable choices, for example.  
Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes things impossible to 
monitor/diagnose after the fact.

We’re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly 
will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  As for mixing it with 
Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no interoperability with 
GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal isolation methods.  You 
probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  On the one tower where I 
was concerned about the issue and another location where I have a lot of 5GHz 
radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m using the Jirous dishes with 
the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I don’t have any comparison to 
the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.  I have 
another colleague that is using the B5c’s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti 
shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 
miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he swapped 
to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about 200Mbps.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrate

[AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra

[Mark Radabaugh]

Chuck,

SAF changed the mounting arrangement on the Integra platform to a 
different design than the Lumina.   I'm considering using a 3' Optic 
antenna but will need to be able to obtain a 18Ghz feedhorn and have the 
ability to mount an Integra.   The online ordering guide gives an option 
for SAF but does not mention the specific version yet.


Mark

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Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link,
underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The
link was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created
a data vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through
it. Now we have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles
back to its original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer
back, but the vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the
remote site so we lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat,
the night guy was standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss
and only part of him made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by
the company for his dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he
left behind 32 cats and a moped.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> Hi Nate -
>
> The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each
> week.  There are many that have received so we are doing this to give
> feedback to those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput,
> applications, etc...).
>
> Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when
> they should be receiving.  More are being received each week.
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
>> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD
>> GET RADIOS !!*
>>
>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a
>> standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
>> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Mike Hammett]

Be careful, some HFT company might think you're serious. 




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From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:16:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X) 


Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link, 
underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The link 
was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created a data 
vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through it. Now we 
have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles back to its 
original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer back, but the 
vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the remote site so we 
lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat, the night guy was 
standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss and only part of him 
made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by the company for his 
dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he left behind 32 cats and 
a moped. 


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



Hi Nate - 


The contest will be ongoing. We are giving away a pair of radios each week. 
There are many that have received so we are doing this to give feedback to 
those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput, applications, 
etc...). 


Which distributor do you have order in with? I will let you know when they 
should be receiving. More are being received each week. 


Regards, 
Ben 




On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win a 
pair of radios' I would love to submit a story !! IF I COULD GET RADIOS 
!! 

Get them into distribution before you start having contests I have a 
standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when they'll 
be getting more radios to fill it. 

Nate 









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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. It is not working yet.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Shayne Lebrun  
Datum: 20.05.2015  17:19  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa 

Well, I’ve seen mine, more than once, decide ‘hey, I’ll use an 80 mhz channel, 
despite that giant 20mhz wide spike, right in the middle,  caused by the PTP600 
that’s sitting on the same tower! Yay!’  Then the PTP600 goes to crap.  From: 
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa Yea. They are late now ;-)). Auto everything is a 
great Idea. With two distinct channels they even have the chance to test a 
channel without dropping the link.   Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im 
Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa They’re good little radios, but they need some 
seasoning.  ‘auto everything’ mode makes what I would consider to be some 
questionable choices, for example.  Also, zero SNMP support at this point, 
which makes things impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact. We’re eagerly 
looking forward to the next firmware release, which supposedly will enable SNMP 
and same-tower coordination.  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa I’ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.  
As for mixing it with Cambium gear, that’s a tough one.  Because there is no 
interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal 
isolation methods.  You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or more.  
On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another location 
where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same roof, I’m 
using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using the B5c’s.  I 
don’t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I just planned for the 
worst case scenario.  I have another colleague that is using the B5c’s with 
Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same roof because he needed a 
34dBi antenna and it’s shooting 32 miles.   He couldn’t get enough throughput 
out of the AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times 
more throughput, about 200Mbps. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa 
B5 intergrated….am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium 
gear on the same towers thanks  

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[James Howard]

Are you drawing straws to see who gets the moped?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link, 
underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The link 
was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created a data 
vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through it. Now we 
have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles back to its 
original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer back, but the 
vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the remote site so we 
lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat, the night guy was 
standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss and only part of him 
made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by the company for his 
dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he left behind 32 cats and 
a moped.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:
Hi Nate -

The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each week.  
There are many that have received so we are doing this to give feedback to 
those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput, applications, 
etc...).

Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when they 
should be receiving.  More are being received each week.

Regards,
Ben

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke 
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win a 
pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story !! IF I COULD GET RADIOS 
!!

Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a 
standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when they'll 
be getting more radios to fill it.

Nate




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Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Shayne Lebrun]

Yes, you certainly can.  And we have.  But to my mind, we shouldn’t have
needed to.  The algorithm that decides on the best channel shouldn’t have
picked what it did.

 

And I’m sure that, as they tweak things, the radios will make better
decisions.  Or maybe there’ll be a ‘play nice, this is my tower’ or ‘play
dirty, and assume all interference is external’ toggle.  Or something.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

 

You can carve out any or as many parts of the spectrum to prohibit the B5
from using as you wish.�� You can do the same for the PTP600.

Mark

On 5/20/15 11:19 AM, Shayne Lebrun wrote:

Well, I�ve seen mine, more than once, decide �hey, I�ll use an 80 mhz
channel, despite that giant 20mhz wide spike, right in the middle, �caused
by the PTP600 that�s sitting on the same tower! Yay!�� Then the PTP600
goes to crap.

�

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

�

Yea. They are late now ;-)).

�

Auto everything is a great Idea. With two distinct channels they even have
the chance to test a channel without dropping the link. 

�

�

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

�

They�re good little radios, but they need some seasoning. ��auto
everything� mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable
choices, for example.� Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes
things impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.

�

We�re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which
supposedly will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.

�

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

�

I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it
with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no
interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal
isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or
more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another
location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the same
roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then using
the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that situation, I
just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another colleague that
is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti shroud on the same
roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s shooting 32 miles.
��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the AF5x radios so he
swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more throughput, about
200Mbps.

�

Rory

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mano
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa

�

Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5 intergrated�.am
looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium gear on the same
towers

�

thanks

�

�






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Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The cats and the moped are a package deal, no takers

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:29 AM, James Howard  wrote:

> Are you drawing straws to see who gets the moped?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)
>
>
>
> Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link,
> underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The
> link was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created
> a data vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through
> it. Now we have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles
> back to its original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer
> back, but the vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the
> remote site so we lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat,
> the night guy was standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss
> and only part of him made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by
> the company for his dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he
> left behind 32 cats and a moped.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Hi Nate -
>
>
>
> The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each
> week.  There are many that have received so we are doing this to give
> feedback to those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput,
> applications, etc...).
>
>
>
> Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when
> they should be receiving.  More are being received each week.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win
> a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD GET
> RADIOS !!*
>
> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a
> standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>
> Nate
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

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On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Be careful, some HFT company might think you're serious.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
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> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:16:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)
>
>
> Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link,
> underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The
> link was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created
> a data vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through
> it. Now we have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles
> back to its original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer
> back, but the vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the
> remote site so we lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat,
> the night guy was standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss
> and only part of him made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by
> the company for his dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he
> left behind 32 cats and a moped.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Hi Nate -
>>
>> The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each
>> week.  There are many that have received so we are doing this to give
>> feedback to those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput,
>> applications, etc...).
>>
>> Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when
>> they should be receiving.  More are being received each week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
>>> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I
>>> COULD GET RADIOS !!*
>>>
>>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have
>>> a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
>>> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Mathew Howard]

Hey now, if an HFT company wants to try setting up a 73 mile underground
link with airFibers, why discourage them?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Be careful, some HFT company might think you're serious.
>
>
>
> -
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>
>  
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:16:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)
>
>
> Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link,
> underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The
> link was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created
> a data vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through
> it. Now we have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles
> back to its original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer
> back, but the vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the
> remote site so we lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat,
> the night guy was standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss
> and only part of him made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by
> the company for his dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he
> left behind 32 cats and a moped.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
>> Hi Nate -
>>
>> The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios each
>> week.  There are many that have received so we are doing this to give
>> feedback to those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput,
>> applications, etc...).
>>
>> Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know when
>> they should be receiving.  More are being received each week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
>>> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I
>>> COULD GET RADIOS !!*
>>>
>>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have
>>> a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
>>> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Mike Hammett]

Once the presentation or slides are posted, I'll link to some stuff a guy I 
know spoke about at ChiNOG. Serious questions he was asked when working for 
different HFT firms. One of them revolved around quantum entanglement. 

BTW: Fixing crappy code would yield a far better improvement than anything they 
could possibly get out of the transmission. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:40:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X) 


Hey now, if an HFT company wants to try setting up a 73 mile underground link 
with airFibers, why discourage them? 



On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Be careful, some HFT company might think you're serious. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:16:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X) 




Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile link, 
underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns latency. The link 
was actually running so fast we had to shut it down because it created a data 
vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled dour data center through it. Now we 
have to hire a trucking company to move our data center 73 miles back to its 
original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer back, but the 
vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link to the remote site so we 
lost power to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat, the night guy was 
standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss and only part of him 
made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by the company for his 
dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he left behind 32 cats and 
a moped. 


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



Hi Nate - 


The contest will be ongoing. We are giving away a pair of radios each week. 
There are many that have received so we are doing this to give feedback to 
those that are receiving (related to distances, throughput, applications, 
etc...). 


Which distributor do you have order in with? I will let you know when they 
should be receiving. More are being received each week. 


Regards, 
Ben 




On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win a 
pair of radios' I would love to submit a story !! IF I COULD GET RADIOS 
!! 

Get them into distribution before you start having contests I have a 
standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when they'll 
be getting more radios to fill it. 

Nate 









-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Nate Burke]

We just witnessed a HFT Company trying to link up an 18ghz 13 mile link 
through trees.  Whoever ran the path for them told them it would work 
(which it might, if there was no foliage)  Apparently they only look at 
ground elevation and that's it.  They were using a 20' height on one end 
(building roof), with 70' trees in the path. But the crew was out there, 
trying their darnedest to link it.



On 5/20/2015 11:40 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Hey now, if an HFT company wants to try setting up a 73 mile 
underground link with airFibers, why discourage them?


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


Be careful, some HFT company might think you're serious.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com




*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:16:31 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)


Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73
mile link, underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps
with <1ns latency. The link was actually running so fast we had to
shut it down because it created a data vacuum on one end of the
link ans pulled dour data center through it. Now we have to hire a
trucking company to move our data center 73 miles back to its
original location. We would have just initiated a data transfer
back, but the vaccuum pulled all our power strips through the link
to the remote site so we lost power to our radio on that end.
Unfortunately, Pat, the night guy was standing next to the radio
just prior to the power loss and only part of him made it to the
other end. Pat will be dearly missed by the company for his
dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he left behind
32 cats and a moped.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote:

Hi Nate -

The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of
radios each week. There are many that have received so we are
doing this to give feedback to those that are receiving
(related to distances, throughput, applications, etc...).

Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you
know when they should be receiving.  More are being received
each week.

Regards,
Ben

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your
AF-5X story, and win a pair of radios'  I would love to
submit a story *!! IF I COULD GET RADIOS !!*

Get them into distribution before you start having
contests  I have a standing order with my distributor,
but they say they have no idea when they'll be getting
more radios to fill it.

Nate





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] visual ospf mapping

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

So, poking around at the dude, I like that if maps physical ports and can
create visual network maps

You guys that know stuff

If you had your network in the dude with all your physical maps and
connections correct. You could script it to poll each router looking for a
particular route, the default being 0.0.0.0/0

so now you know which port has that route so you could have your nifty
script change that ports link line to a green line with outward pointing
arrows. So your default real time view could just be the 0.0.0.0/0 flow,
but having the ability to select a route you want to see flowing would just
be a matter of looking for that one and changing the link line

I dont know what capabilities the dude actually has, but It doesnt seem
like it would be all that complicated if you knew what you were doing

SNMPc had this type of capability too

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  Still wish there was an OSPF(+) that would somehow account for flows. I
> guess the closest we have now is MPLS. I'd like to be able to use all the
> routes, even though some of them are not optimal.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/18/2015 8:50 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> I did a sort of link bandwidth reference for OSPF interface cost. Kinda
> how Cisco auto-cost works, which is not ideal when you have a GigE
> interface but a microwave path that only does 200-400Mbps. But I quickly
> found out that wasn't really the best design, things routed weird and I was
> getting a lot of equal-cost routes. That was mostly because of so many
> backup links which actually forms multiple rings, and yeah, some links sit
> idle most of the time, but they're useful because rain fade sucks bad.
>
> Really just gotta draw it out to visualize path costs and how you want
> traffic to flow. There will still be tweaking required to get it perfect. :(
>
> On 5/18/2015 10:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Does the dude have any method to indicate OSPF paths visually? We are far
> from implentation, so its no priority, Im just curious how best to monitor
> such things.
>
>
>  I havent messed with the dud much before, always had problems. But
> installed it the other day and had it scan the office network. how long has
> it been mapping physical ports? I thought that was like a buttered bee.
>
>  --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Colin Stanners]

Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The winner
may get radios to make their wish happen.
On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD
> GET RADIOS !!*
>
> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a
> standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[joseph marsh]

Packet flux site monitor?
On May 20, 2015 9:52 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> Site Monitor?
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:57 AM, joseph marsh 
> wrote:
>
>> What's the best tool to use?
>> On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving
>>> you an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
>>> have to monitor current.
>>> On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:
>>>
 What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over this
 site and need to monitor the lights

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[David]

ROFL!


On 05/20/2015 11:16 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Can we make up stories? Because the other day I had put up a 73 mile 
link, underground, with no antennas. I was getting 33gbps with <1ns 
latency. The link was actually running so fast we had to shut it down 
because it created a data vacuum on one end of the link ans pulled 
dour data center through it. Now we have to hire a trucking company to 
move our data center 73 miles back to its original location. We would 
have just initiated a data transfer back, but the vaccuum pulled all 
our power strips through the link to the remote site so we lost power 
to our radio on that end. Unfortunately, Pat, the night guy was 
standing next to the radio just prior to the power loss and only part 
of him made it to the other end. Pat will be dearly missed by the 
company for his dedication and outstanding customer service skills. he 
left behind 32 cats and a moped.


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ben Moore > wrote:


Hi Nate -

The contest will be ongoing.  We are giving away a pair of radios
each week.  There are many that have received so we are doing this
to give feedback to those that are receiving (related to
distances, throughput, applications, etc...).

Which distributor do you have order in with?  I will let you know
when they should be receiving.  More are being received each week.

Regards,
Ben

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X
story, and win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a
story *!! IF I COULD GET RADIOS !!*

Get them into distribution before you start having
contests  I have a standing order with my distributor, but
they say they have no idea when they'll be getting more radios
to fill it.

Nate





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Colin Stanners]

I think the "play nice/play dirty" feature would be quite popular if they
put it in, but could lead to sour relationships between some companies when
they realized to what mode others set their radios.
On May 20, 2015 11:30 AM, "Shayne Lebrun"  wrote:

> Yes, you certainly can.  And we have.  But to my mind, we shouldn’t have
> needed to.  The algorithm that decides on the best channel shouldn’t have
> picked what it did.
>
>
>
> And I’m sure that, as they tweak things, the radios will make better
> decisions.  Or maybe there’ll be a ‘play nice, this is my tower’ or ‘play
> dirty, and assume all interference is external’ toggle.  Or something.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
>
> You can carve out any or as many parts of the spectrum to prohibit the B5
> from using as you wish.�� You can do the same for the PTP600.
>
> Mark
>
> On 5/20/15 11:19 AM, Shayne Lebrun wrote:
>
> Well, I�ve seen mine, more than once, decide �hey, I�ll use an 80
> mhz channel, despite that giant 20mhz wide spike, right in the middle,
> �caused by the PTP600 that�s sitting on the same tower! Yay!�� Then
> the PTP600 goes to crap.
>
> �
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
> �
>
> Yea. They are late now ;-)).
>
> �
>
> Auto everything is a great Idea. With two distinct channels they even have
> the chance to test a channel without dropping the link.
>
> �
>
> �
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *Im
> Auftrag von *Shayne Lebrun
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2015 15:44
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
> �
>
> They�re good little radios, but they need some seasoning. ��auto
> everything� mode makes what I would consider to be some questionable
> choices, for example.� Also, zero SNMP support at this point, which makes
> things impossible to monitor/diagnose after the fact.
>
> �
>
> We�re eagerly looking forward to the next firmware release, which
> supposedly will enable SNMP and same-tower coordination.
>
> �
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
> �
>
> I�ve got 10 of them up and they have worked great.� As for mixing it
> with Cambium gear, that�s a tough one.� Because there is no
> interoperability with GPS between manufacturers, you have to rely on normal
> isolation methods.� You probably want to keep them at least 10 apart or
> more.� On the one tower where I was concerned about the issue and another
> location where I have a lot of 5GHz radios, Ubiquiti, and others on the
> same roof, I�m using the Jirous dishes with the built-in shrouds and then
> using the B5c�s.� I don�t have any comparison to the B5 in that
> situation, I just planned for the worst case scenario.� I have another
> colleague that is using the B5c�s with Ubiquiti antennas with Ubiquiti
> shroud on the same roof because he needed a 34dBi antenna and it�s
> shooting 32 miles. ��He couldn�t get enough throughput out of the
> AF5x radios so he swapped to the Mimosa and he is getting 2-3 times more
> throughput, about 200Mbps.
>
> �
>
> Rory
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Mano
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:20 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa
>
> �
>
> Would like to know what your feedback is on the mimosa B5
> intergrated�.am looking to try this out and if its ok to mix with cambium
> gear on the same towers
>
> �
>
> thanks
>
> �
>
> �
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
>
> m...@amplex.net
>
> 419-837-5105 x1021
>
> m...@amplex.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra

[Chuck McCown]

Probably not gonna happen.  Optic never got much traction in the marketplace 
so we are kinda soft EOL on Optic stuff.


-Original Message- 
From: Mark Radabaugh

Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra

Chuck,

SAF changed the mounting arrangement on the Integra platform to a
different design than the Lumina.   I'm considering using a 3' Optic
antenna but will need to be able to obtain a 18Ghz feedhorn and have the
ability to mount an Integra.   The online ordering guide gives an option
for SAF but does not mention the specific version yet.

Mark

--

Mark Radabaugh
m...@amplex.net
419-837-5105 x1021
m...@amplex.net

[AFMUG] POE Mounts

[Nate Burke]

Does anyone know if the POE Mount 
http://shop.bizsyscon.com/index.php/poe-mount-bracket-for-ubiquiti-poe-15-and-poe-24.html 
Will work with the Included EPMP Power supply?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[George Skorup]

I was looking around on Amazon last night. Looks like Dewalt makes one 
for SDS Plus.


On 5/20/2015 6:38 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I bought one of those only to realize that the bit was SDS Max, while 
the drill was only SDS Plus.  :-\




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"George Skorup" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:46:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

There's a ground rod driver attachment for most roto hammers, 
definitely for SDS Max, maybe SDS Plus. You'd want to use this in 
almost every case since it doesn't mushroom-head the end of the rod 
like a sledgehammer.


On 5/19/2015 10:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

is that just a rotary hammer wit the ground rod in the chuck?

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!! The ground was not too
hard. It was pretty cool.

Jaime Solorza




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[George Skorup]

Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty 
cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, 
it'd be Dewalt.


On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Nevermind.  I would need cordless.
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
How much?
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!! The ground was not too hard. It 
was pretty cool.


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] POE Mounts

[Mathew Howard]

I would guess it will - comparing the two, the epmp poe is quite a bit
longer than the ubnt, but the other two dimensions are almost exactly the
same.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Does anyone know if the POE Mount
> http://shop.bizsyscon.com/index.php/poe-mount-bracket-for-ubiquiti-poe-15-and-poe-24.html
> Will work with the Included EPMP Power supply?
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra

[Traci]

Mark, we don't have any 3ft optics in stock. We do have 2ft in stock at 
a discounted price.


On 5/20/2015 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Probably not gonna happen.  Optic never got much traction in the 
marketplace so we are kinda soft EOL on Optic stuff.


-Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WB Optic Dishes and SAF Integra

Chuck,

SAF changed the mounting arrangement on the Integra platform to a
different design than the Lumina.   I'm considering using a 3' Optic
antenna but will need to be able to obtain a 18Ghz feedhorn and have the
ability to mount an Integra.   The online ordering guide gives an option
for SAF but does not mention the specific version yet.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Matt Hardy]

It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting
"fake" stories ;)

Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha...

Probably Luthman?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners 
wrote:

> Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The winner
> may get radios to make their wish happen.
> On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
>> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I COULD
>> GET RADIOS !!*
>>
>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a
>> standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
>> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Josh Luthman]

:(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 20, 2015 1:44 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

> It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting
> "fake" stories ;)
>
> Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha...
>
> Probably Luthman?
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The winner
>> may get radios to make their wish happen.
>> On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>
>>>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
>>> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I
>>> COULD GET RADIOS !!*
>>>
>>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have
>>> a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
>>> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Glen Waldrop]

Busted.

You shoulda worn a mustache while typing the fakes.



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

:(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 20, 2015 1:44 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

  It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting 
"fake" stories ;) 

  Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha... 

  Probably Luthman?

  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The winner 
may get radios to make their wish happen.

On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and 
win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story !! IF I COULD GET 
RADIOS !!

  Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have a 
standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when they'll 
be getting more radios to fill it.

  Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Colin Stanners]

If I were to write a story to try to win radios for amateur radio projects,
does it need to be rated all ages, pg13, or does anything go?
On May 20, 2015 12:44 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

> It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting
> "fake" stories ;)
>
> Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha...
>
> Probably Luthman?
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The winner
>> may get radios to make their wish happen.
>> On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>
>>>  I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
>>> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I
>>> COULD GET RADIOS !!*
>>>
>>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have
>>> a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
>>> they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Josh Luthman]

Does it help I was wearing one of these while typing?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

>   Busted.
>
> You shoulda worn a mustache while typing the fakes.
>
>
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)
>
>
> :(
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 20, 2015 1:44 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:
>
>> It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting
>> "fake" stories ;)
>>
>> Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha...
>>
>> Probably Luthman?
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The
>>> winner may get radios to make their wish happen.
>>>  On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>>
 I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
 win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I
 COULD GET RADIOS !!*

 Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I have
 a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when
 they'll be getting more radios to fill it.

 Nate

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Mathew Howard]

That certainly should have helped! unless you always wear it... in which
case you probably should have taken it off.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Does it help I was wearing one of these while typing?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
>>   Busted.
>>
>> You shoulda worn a mustache while typing the fakes.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:56 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)
>>
>>
>> :(
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On May 20, 2015 1:44 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:
>>
>>> It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting
>>> "fake" stories ;)
>>>
>>> Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha...
>>>
>>> Probably Luthman?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The
 winner may get radios to make their wish happen.
  On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story, and
> win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF I
> COULD GET RADIOS !!*
>
> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I
> have a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea
> when they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>
> Nate
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[Josh Luthman]

Oh...whoops...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 20, 2015 3:08 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> That certainly should have helped! unless you always wear it... in which
> case you probably should have taken it off.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Does it help I was wearing one of these while typing?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Glen Waldrop 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   Busted.
>>>
>>> You shoulda worn a mustache while typing the fakes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)
>>>
>>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On May 20, 2015 1:44 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:
>>>
 It's funny you guys are joking about that, because we have been getting
 "fake" stories ;)

 Some have even copied screenshots from other sections, haha...

 Probably Luthman?

 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Colin Stanners 
 wrote:

> Nate, the contest is for a fictional "If I had an AF5X" story. The
> winner may get radios to make their wish happen.
>  On May 20, 2015 10:35 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> I got a note from Ubnt about a contest to 'Share your AF-5X story,
>> and win a pair of radios'  I would love to submit a story *!! IF
>> I COULD GET RADIOS !!*
>>
>> Get them into distribution before you start having contests  I
>> have a standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea
>> when they'll be getting more radios to fill it.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower light monitoring

[Jeremy]

Yeah, if you just need something to monitor a simple open/close circuit it
should work fine.  If you need to monitor current I believe you could add a
shunt, couldn't you?

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:57 AM, joseph marsh 
wrote:

> Packet flux site monitor?
> On May 20, 2015 9:52 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> Site Monitor?
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:57 AM, joseph marsh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's the best tool to use?
>>> On May 20, 2015 6:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Most controllers made in the last decade have a discrete output giving
 you an open close you can monitor with a bunch of stuff. If not that you'll
 have to monitor current.
 On May 20, 2015 5:48 AM, "joseph marsh"  wrote:

> What does everyone use for monitoring tower strobe. Just took over
> this site and need to monitor the lights
>

>>

[AFMUG] mt ospf question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the
default route, it works fine
Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine

the routes propagate as they should

I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it
wouldnt let me add the netwok
so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router

I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are
working have said backup all along

is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need
to know here?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck Hogg]

I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of
them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other
things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a
rotary drill with an attachment.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

>  Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty
> cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd
> be Dewalt.
>
> On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>  Nevermind.  I would need cordless.
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>
>   How much?
>
>  *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>
>
> Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It was
> pretty cool.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck Hogg]

http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of
> them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other
> things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a
> rotary drill with an attachment.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>>  Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty
>> cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd
>> be Dewalt.
>>
>> On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>  Nevermind.  I would need cordless.
>>
>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>
>>   How much?
>>
>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>
>>
>> Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It
>> was pretty cool.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[George Skorup]

You get all the good toys.

On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg > wrote:


I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up
getting 2 of them for $300 at auction. We already have a hydraulic
power pack for other things...so it works well.  It's also
specifically for ground rods, not a rotary drill with an attachment.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are
pretty cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going
to buy today, it'd be Dewalt.

On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Nevermind.  I would need cordless.
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
How much?
*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too
hard. It was pretty cool.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[Mathew Howard]

I know I've put at least three /30s on the same interface and I don't
remember running into problems. When you're running OSPF on a /30 one
router will always be the designated router and the other will be the
backup - I don't think it normally matters which router has which role, but
you can make it prefer one of the other by setting the interface priority.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
> Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
> Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the
> default route, it works fine
> Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine
>
> the routes propagate as they should
>
> I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but
> it wouldnt let me add the netwok
> so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router
>
> I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are
> working have said backup all along
>
> is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need
> to know here?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] PTP 650 alignment issue

[Eric Muehleisen]

We have a PTP650 18 mile link that suddenly dropped 9dbm RSSI. Lots of rain
and a little wind. I have a feeling it's out of alignment or has water in
coax. Is there a stat from the radio that would indicate bad coax jumpers?
Trying to determine what side of the link could be affected.

-- 
Sent via mobile

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck McCown]

I always used a lineman’s hammer:
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
Or a hand sledge:
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge

For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with one 
hand and hammer with the other.
Don’t miss.

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

You get all the good toys.


On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

  http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers


  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of 
them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other 
things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a 
rotary drill with an attachment.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

  Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty 
cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd be 
Dewalt.


  On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Nevermind.  I would need cordless.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

How much?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It 
was pretty cool. 

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

it shows 3 in the areas, but only 2 neighbors

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I know I've put at least three /30s on the same interface and I don't
> remember running into problems. When you're running OSPF on a /30 one
> router will always be the designated router and the other will be the
> backup - I don't think it normally matters which router has which role, but
> you can make it prefer one of the other by setting the interface priority.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
>> Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
>> Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the
>> default route, it works fine
>> Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine
>>
>> the routes propagate as they should
>>
>> I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but
>> it wouldnt let me add the netwok
>> so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router
>>
>> I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are
>> working have said backup all along
>>
>> is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i need
>> to know here?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 3.5GHz

[Brett A Mansfield]

Anyone know much about the new FCC rules on 3.5GHz? I have read article after 
article and still don't really understand what is going on. I know of a 3-tier 
system and a GAA, but nothing elaborates on it.

My questions are:

Can I still use 3.65? 
Can I still register new links?
Do I still need a license?
If so, how to obtain said license for new links?
Can I use the newly available 3.5-3.65 GHz now?
I do have a few links already registered. What will happen with those?

I'm not completely dumb (I don't think), but I certainly don't speak legal. I 
need a clear explanation dumbed down to my level of understanding (maybe I'm 
dumber than I think).


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[Gilbert Gutierrez]

Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, 
then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static 
routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as 
well.


Gilbert

On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing 
the default route, it works fine

Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine

the routes propagate as they should

I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, 
but it wouldnt let me add the netwok

so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router

I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that 
are working have said backup all along


is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i 
need to know here?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Mathew Howard]

An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but
a cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   I always used a lineman’s hammer:
> http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
> Or a hand sledge:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge
>
> For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with
> one hand and hammer with the other.
> Don’t miss.
>
>  *From:* George Skorup 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>
> You get all the good toys.
>
> On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers
>
>  Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of
>> them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other
>> things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a
>> rotary drill with an attachment.
>>
>>  Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty
>>> cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd
>>> be Dewalt.
>>>
>>> On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>  Nevermind.  I would need cordless.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>>
>>>How much?
>>>
>>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>>
>>>
>>> Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It
>>> was pretty cool.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Larry Smith]

My uncle was an electrician and showed me that - on my own house
one day.  He said (and I have no idea if true or not) that "hammering"
a ground rod in the ground changed its potential and therefore it was
no longer a good ground rod.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Wed May 20 2015 15:47, Mathew Howard wrote:
> An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but
> a cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >   I always used a lineman’s hammer:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG
> >8 Or a hand sledge:
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B0043
> >3SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge
> >
> > For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with
> > one hand and hammer with the other.
> > Don’t miss.
> >
> >  *From:* George Skorup 
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
> >
> > You get all the good toys.
> >
> > On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >
> > http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers
> >
> >  Regards,
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> >> I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2
> >> of them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for
> >> other things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground
> >> rods, not a rotary drill with an attachment.
> >>
> >>  Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> >>> Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty
> >>> cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today,
> >>> it'd be Dewalt.
> >>>
> >>> On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Nevermind.  I would need cordless.
> >>>
> >>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
> >>>
> >>>How much?
> >>>
> >>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
> >>> *To:* Animal Farm 
> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It
> >>> was pretty cool.
> >>>
> >>> Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[Gilbert Gutierrez]

Sorry, I read your question wrong. You can disregard my last message.

What is the network type on the interfaces? I use "point-to-point" for 
/30's. Both sides need to be set to that way for that type to work 
properly. You may wish to try changing the type. The backup and 
designated router I believe are status statements for OSPF broadcast.


Gilbert

On 5/20/2015 1:34 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I know I've put at least three /30s on the same interface and I don't 
remember running into problems. When you're running OSPF on a /30 one 
router will always be the designated router and the other will be the 
backup - I don't think it normally matters which router has which 
role, but you can make it prefer one of the other by setting the 
interface priority.


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats
distributing the default route, it works fine
Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine

the routes propagate as they should

I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second
fortigate, but it wouldnt let me add the netwok
so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router

I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two
that are working have said backup all along

is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik
i need to know here?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Im beginning to wonder if this other fortigate is not working
I moved it back to eth2
is there a way to see ospf communication between the two routers?


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez <
mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net> wrote:

>  Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab,
> then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static
> routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as
> well.
>
> Gilbert
>
> On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
> Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
> Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the
> default route, it works fine
> Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine
>
>  the routes propagate as they should
>
>  I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but
> it wouldnt let me add the netwok
> so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router
>
>  I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are
> working have said backup all along
>
>  is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i
> need to know here?
>
>  --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5GHz

[Mathew Howard]

There's been some pretty good discussions on the WISPA list... here's what
I've been able to decipher:

Yes, you can still use 3.65
Yes, you can still register links
Yes, you still need a license - you actually have to already have one to
use 3.65 at this point, since the FCC isn't issuing anymore licenses under
the old rules, but that would just be your existing NN license (assuming
you have one - which you do if you've ever registered anything in 3.65)
No, you can't use 3.55-3.65 yet - we have to wait until equipment is
available and the SAS is up and running.
You can keep using links that are already there as long as you want to...
there will be some changes in 2020, but as far as I can tell we won't ever
have to take down existing links. anything that was registered before April
17th (and actually installed by 4/17/2016) gets special protected status
from gear that's operating under the new rules.

For the most part, nothing really changes for now - you can/have to keep
registering everything in ULS the same as always and you can keep using the
same equipment. When the SAS is in place and some radios support it, things
will change.




On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Anyone know much about the new FCC rules on 3.5GHz? I have read article
> after article and still don't really understand what is going on. I know of
> a 3-tier system and a GAA, but nothing elaborates on it.
>
> My questions are:
>
> Can I still use 3.65?
> Can I still register new links?
> Do I still need a license?
> If so, how to obtain said license for new links?
> Can I use the newly available 3.5-3.65 GHz now?
> I do have a few links already registered. What will happen with those?
>
> I'm not completely dumb (I don't think), but I certainly don't speak
> legal. I need a clear explanation dumbed down to my level of understanding
> (maybe I'm dumber than I think).
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, until you hit a rock.  In moist dirt you can even lean on them and put 
them in by hand without any water.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:47 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but a 
cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.


On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I always used a lineman’s hammer:
  http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
  Or a hand sledge:
  
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge

  For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with one 
hand and hammer with the other.
  Don’t miss.

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

  You get all the good toys.


  On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers


Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

  I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of 
them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other 
things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a 
rotary drill with an attachment.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty 
cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd be 
Dewalt.


On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Nevermind.  I would need cordless.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

  How much?

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

  Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. 
It was pretty cool. 

  Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Craig House]

Not here I can spend 30 minutes trying to drive a ground rod and generally bend 
them up before I get them as deep as I had planned

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2015, at 16:04, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, until you hit a rock.  In moist dirt you can even lean on them and put 
> them in by hand without any water. 
>  
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:47 PM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>  
> An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but a 
> cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.
>  
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> I always used a lineman’s hammer:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
>> Or a hand sledge:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge
>>  
>> For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with one 
>> hand and hammer with the other.
>> Don’t miss.
>>  
>> From: George Skorup
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>  
>> You get all the good toys.
>> 
>>> On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>  
 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
 I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of 
 them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for 
 other things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, 
 not a rotary drill with an attachment.
  
 Regards,
 Chuck
  
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty 
> cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd 
> be Dewalt.
> 
>> On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Nevermind.  I would need cordless. 
>>  
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>  
>> How much?
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>  
>> Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It 
>> was pretty cool.
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>> 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[Mathew Howard]

If it's the fortigate not working, I'm not sure why it would work on one
interface and not the other... unless you have settings different for the
two interfaces on the Mikrotik - did you manually configure anything under
the interfaces on the Mikrotik or just let us use the defaults? You do need
to have everything matching on the interface settings on both routers.

Oh, one thing that could make a difference... if the MTU doesn't match on
both routers it will break OSPF. The system log on the Mikrotik should show
you some of what's going on... you can enabled more detailed logging for
OSPF, but that'll start spitting out a lot of junk that's mostly
meaningless to me.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:57 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Im beginning to wonder if this other fortigate is not working
> I moved it back to eth2
> is there a way to see ospf communication between the two routers?
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez <
> mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net> wrote:
>
>>  Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab,
>> then you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static
>> routes pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as
>> well.
>>
>> Gilbert
>>
>> On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
>> Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
>> Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the
>> default route, it works fine
>> Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine
>>
>>  the routes propagate as they should
>>
>>  I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate,
>> but it wouldnt let me add the netwok
>> so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router
>>
>>  I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are
>> working have said backup all along
>>
>>  is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i
>> need to know here?
>>
>>  --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

3 hours
i had a 2 where a 1 should be

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez <
mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net> wrote:

>  Sorry, I read your question wrong. You can disregard my last message.
>
> What is the network type on the interfaces? I use "point-to-point" for
> /30's. Both sides need to be set to that way for that type to work
> properly. You may wish to try changing the type. The backup and designated
> router I believe are status statements for OSPF broadcast.
>
> Gilbert
>
> On 5/20/2015 1:34 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>  I know I've put at least three /30s on the same interface and I don't
> remember running into problems. When you're running OSPF on a /30 one
> router will always be the designated router and the other will be the
> backup - I don't think it normally matters which router has which role, but
> you can make it prefer one of the other by setting the interface priority.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on
>> Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch
>> Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the
>> default route, it works fine
>> Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine
>>
>>  the routes propagate as they should
>>
>>  I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate,
>> but it wouldnt let me add the netwok
>> so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router
>>
>>  I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other two that are
>> working have said backup all along
>>
>>  is there something about adding a third ospf interface to mikrotik i
>> need to know here?
>>
>>  --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... rocks kind of spoil it. The dirt around here is generally to hard
to push them in by hand without water.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Craig House 
wrote:

> Not here I can spend 30 minutes trying to drive a ground rod and generally
> bend them up before I get them as deep as I had planned
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 20, 2015, at 16:04, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>  Yeah, until you hit a rock.  In moist dirt you can even lean on them and
> put them in by hand without any water.
>
>  *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:47 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>
>  An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing
> but a cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   I always used a lineman’s hammer:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
>> Or a hand sledge:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge
>>
>> For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with
>> one hand and hammer with the other.
>> Don’t miss.
>>
>>  *From:* George Skorup 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver
>>
>>  You get all the good toys.
>>
>> On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers
>>
>>  Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2
>>> of them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for
>>> other things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods,
>>> not a rotary drill with an attachment.
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty
 cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd
 be Dewalt.

 On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Nevermind.  I would need cordless.

  *From:* Chuck McCown 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

How much?

  *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver


 Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It
 was pretty cool.

 Jaime Solorza



>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5GHz

[Brett A Mansfield]

This is excellent, thank you.  I assume that we will learn more as the SAS 
comes online? And are any of the registrations going through now? Last time I 
registered a link it took 2 months and I had to hound the FCC a lot about it 
until they finally just did it so I'd stop annoying them.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 20, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> There's been some pretty good discussions on the WISPA list... here's what 
> I've been able to decipher:
> 
> Yes, you can still use 3.65
> Yes, you can still register links
> Yes, you still need a license - you actually have to already have one to use 
> 3.65 at this point, since the FCC isn't issuing anymore licenses under the 
> old rules, but that would just be your existing NN license (assuming you have 
> one - which you do if you've ever registered anything in 3.65)
> No, you can't use 3.55-3.65 yet - we have to wait until equipment is 
> available and the SAS is up and running.
> You can keep using links that are already there as long as you want to... 
> there will be some changes in 2020, but as far as I can tell we won't ever 
> have to take down existing links. anything that was registered before April 
> 17th (and actually installed by 4/17/2016) gets special protected status from 
> gear that's operating under the new rules.
> 
> For the most part, nothing really changes for now - you can/have to keep 
> registering everything in ULS the same as always and you can keep using the 
> same equipment. When the SAS is in place and some radios support it, things 
> will change.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> Anyone know much about the new FCC rules on 3.5GHz? I have read article 
>> after article and still don't really understand what is going on. I know of 
>> a 3-tier system and a GAA, but nothing elaborates on it.
>> 
>> My questions are:
>> 
>> Can I still use 3.65?
>> Can I still register new links?
>> Do I still need a license?
>> If so, how to obtain said license for new links?
>> Can I use the newly available 3.5-3.65 GHz now?
>> I do have a few links already registered. What will happen with those?
>> 
>> I'm not completely dumb (I don't think), but I certainly don't speak legal. 
>> I need a clear explanation dumbed down to my level of understanding (maybe 
>> I'm dumber than I think).
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Chuck McCown]

That is when you cut them off and put a split bolt on the end... whose ever 
gonna know...

From: Craig House 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Not here I can spend 30 minutes trying to drive a ground rod and generally bend 
them up before I get them as deep as I had planned

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 16:04, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Yeah, until you hit a rock.  In moist dirt you can even lean on them and put 
them in by hand without any water.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:47 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

  An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but a 
cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.


  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I always used a lineman’s hammer:
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
Or a hand sledge:

http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge

For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with 
one hand and hammer with the other.
Don’t miss.

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

You get all the good toys.


On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

  http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers


  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 
of them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other 
things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a 
rotary drill with an attachment.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty 
cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd be 
Dewalt.


  On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Nevermind.  I would need cordless.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

How much?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. 
It was pretty cool. 

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5GHz

[Mathew Howard]

I still have a couple of registrations sitting pending, but supposedly they
are still going through I think the FCC is just behind because of
everyone trying to get in before the 4/17 deadline.

I would expect we will be hearing more once the SAS is online, yeah.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> This is excellent, thank you.  I assume that we will learn more as the SAS
> comes online? And are any of the registrations going through now? Last time
> I registered a link it took 2 months and I had to hound the FCC a lot about
> it until they finally just did it so I'd stop annoying them.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On May 20, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> There's been some pretty good discussions on the WISPA list... here's what
> I've been able to decipher:
>
> Yes, you can still use 3.65
> Yes, you can still register links
> Yes, you still need a license - you actually have to already have one to
> use 3.65 at this point, since the FCC isn't issuing anymore licenses under
> the old rules, but that would just be your existing NN license (assuming
> you have one - which you do if you've ever registered anything in 3.65)
> No, you can't use 3.55-3.65 yet - we have to wait until equipment is
> available and the SAS is up and running.
> You can keep using links that are already there as long as you want to...
> there will be some changes in 2020, but as far as I can tell we won't ever
> have to take down existing links. anything that was registered before April
> 17th (and actually installed by 4/17/2016) gets special protected status
> from gear that's operating under the new rules.
>
> For the most part, nothing really changes for now - you can/have to keep
> registering everything in ULS the same as always and you can keep using the
> same equipment. When the SAS is in place and some radios support it, things
> will change.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know much about the new FCC rules on 3.5GHz? I have read article
>> after article and still don't really understand what is going on. I know of
>> a 3-tier system and a GAA, but nothing elaborates on it.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Can I still use 3.65?
>> Can I still register new links?
>> Do I still need a license?
>> If so, how to obtain said license for new links?
>> Can I use the newly available 3.5-3.65 GHz now?
>> I do have a few links already registered. What will happen with those?
>>
>> I'm not completely dumb (I don't think), but I certainly don't speak
>> legal. I need a clear explanation dumbed down to my level of understanding
>> (maybe I'm dumber than I think).
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Ken Hohhof]

Feels like I hit a rock.  I’ll just give it a few whacks with the sledge.

“And up through the ground came a bubblin’ crude.”


From: Craig House 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Not here I can spend 30 minutes trying to drive a ground rod and generally bend 
them up before I get them as deep as I had planned

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 16:04, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Yeah, until you hit a rock.  In moist dirt you can even lean on them and put 
them in by hand without any water.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:47 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

  An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but a 
cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.


  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I always used a lineman’s hammer:
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
Or a hand sledge:

http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge

For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with 
one hand and hammer with the other.
Don’t miss.

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

You get all the good toys.


On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

  http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers


  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 
of them for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other 
things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a 
rotary drill with an attachment.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty 
cool too. We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd be 
Dewalt.


  On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Nevermind.  I would need cordless.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

How much?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. 
It was pretty cool. 

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Voip analog handoff to PBX

[Nate Burke]

I'm handing off 4 Analog lines to a PBX via a Grandstream GXW4004, and 
it's having random cutouts in the audio.  The packet stream shows that 
it's having DTMF Events that are causing the cutouts, DTMF Tone 'D', so 
I"m pretty sure that it's not actually caused by keypresses.  I'm 
guessing something between the ATA and the PBX there's an incompatibility.


Is there another box quality wise to do 4 Analog lines before jumping 
all the way into the Adtran TA904?


Maybe something in like the $300 area?

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

[Tyler Treat]

then ip20's all around!


From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Feels like I hit a rock.  I'll just give it a few whacks with the sledge.

"And up through the ground came a bubblin' crude."


From: Craig House
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

Not here I can spend 30 minutes trying to drive a ground rod and generally bend 
them up before I get them as deep as I had planned

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2015, at 16:04, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Yeah, until you hit a rock.  In moist dirt you can even lean on them and put 
them in by hand without any water.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:47 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

An electrician once showed me how to install ground rods using nothing but a 
cup of water... not the fastest way, but it did work.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I always used a lineman's hammer:
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-E3-40L-EstWing-Linesman-hammer/dp/B000LDGBG8
Or a hand sledge:
http://www.amazon.com/Estwing-MRF3LB-11-Inch-SureStrike-Drilling/dp/B00433SC4Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1432154165&sr=1-1&keywords=hand+sledge

For installing ground rods.  Never much of a problem.  Hold the rod with one 
hand and hammer with the other.
Don't miss.

From: George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

You get all the good toys.

On 5/20/2015 3:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/products/ground-rod-drivers

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Hogg 
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:
I've got a hydraulic ground rod driver... I think I ended up getting 2 of them 
for $300 at auction.  We already have a hydraulic power pack for other 
things...so it works well.  It's also specifically for ground rods, not a 
rotary drill with an attachment.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:28 PM, George Skorup 
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Dewalt has a battery operated model. Their HEPA vac models are pretty cool too. 
We have a smaller Makita, but if I was going to buy today, it'd be Dewalt.

On 5/20/2015 8:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Nevermind.  I would need cordless.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver

How much?

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:42 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Ground Rod Driver


Damn thing drove the rod by itself!!!  The ground was not too hard. It was 
pretty cool.

Jaime Solorza