date:20170227

lol, I like it when people think they know why trolls troll and the purpose
underlying it. that author gave it a good shot though

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> While others just make memes.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/09/
> revenge-of-the-nerds/501344/
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 9:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> CNN buys them
>> Cliches and buzzwords help
>> denial is always a good start
>>
>> and accidental likes, the facbook app is sensitive when scrolling
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How else does one get likes on social media without blaring trumpets in
>>> their own echo chambers?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2017 9:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Liberal and conservative seem to be labels for “people different from
>>> me”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I think back on my day, I can’t think of a single thing I did where
>>> liberal or conservative mattered.  Why do we obsess so much over political
>>> affiliation?  Isn’t that what sports teams are for?  So we can mock Packers
>>> fans as lower life forms?  Are they liberals or conservatives?  Doesn’t
>>> matter, they’re cheese-eating Packers fans.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 9:18 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
>>> right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
>>>
>>> even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny
>>> in terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
>>>
>>> you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult,
>>> my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
>>>
>>> its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
>>> altered to enter the us
>>>
>>> but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really
>>> not humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
>>>
>>> anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
>>>
>>> cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair
>>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/294535383/make-merkins-gre
>>> at-again-drumpf-model
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.co
>>> m/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=duve
>>> t-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty"
>>> and unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.com
>>> /people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt
>>> =mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.c
>>> om/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-l
>>> ogo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medi
>>> um_location=front
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
>>>  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
>>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
>>> description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
>>> shit... capitalists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
>>> everybody got the LoLz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>>>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
>>> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-
>>> PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209
>>> lid=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>>>
>>> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal
>>> haired things.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
>>> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
>>> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
>>> particularly popular.
>>> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
>>> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
>>> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
>>> that it's not for trump supporters.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

2017-02-27 Thread Mitch Koep


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

While others just make memes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/09/revenge-of-the-nerds/501344/

On Feb 27, 2017 9:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> CNN buys them
> Cliches and buzzwords help
> denial is always a good start
>
> and accidental likes, the facbook app is sensitive when scrolling
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> How else does one get likes on social media without blaring trumpets in
>> their own echo chambers?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 9:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> Liberal and conservative seem to be labels for “people different from me”.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I think back on my day, I can’t think of a single thing I did where
>> liberal or conservative mattered.  Why do we obsess so much over political
>> affiliation?  Isn’t that what sports teams are for?  So we can mock Packers
>> fans as lower life forms?  Are they liberals or conservatives?  Doesn’t
>> matter, they’re cheese-eating Packers fans.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 9:18 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?
>>
>>
>>
>> You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
>> right?
>>
>>
>>
>> You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
>>
>> even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in
>> terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
>>
>> you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult,
>> my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
>>
>> its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
>> altered to enter the us
>>
>> but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really
>> not humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
>>
>> anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
>>
>> cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair https://www.etsy.com/list
>> ing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model
>>
>>
>>
>> 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.co
>> m/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=duve
>> t-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)
>>
>>
>>
>> 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty"
>> and unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.com
>> /people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt
>> =mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front
>>
>>
>>
>> 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.c
>> om/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-l
>> ogo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medi
>> um_location=front
>>
>>
>>
>> heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
>>  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1
>>
>>
>>
>> heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
>> description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
>> shit... capitalists
>>
>>
>>
>> These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
>> everybody got the LoLz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
>> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-
>> PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209&
>> gclid=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>>
>> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>
>> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal haired
>> things.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
>> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
>> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
>> particularly popular.
>> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
>> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
>> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
>> that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
>> cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>>
>> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>>
>> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

CNN buys them
Cliches and buzzwords help
denial is always a good start

and accidental likes, the facbook app is sensitive when scrolling

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> How else does one get likes on social media without blaring trumpets in
> their own echo chambers?
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 9:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Liberal and conservative seem to be labels for “people different from me”.
>
>
>
> If I think back on my day, I can’t think of a single thing I did where
> liberal or conservative mattered.  Why do we obsess so much over political
> affiliation?  Isn’t that what sports teams are for?  So we can mock Packers
> fans as lower life forms?  Are they liberals or conservatives?  Doesn’t
> matter, they’re cheese-eating Packers fans.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 9:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?
>
>
>
> You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
> right?
>
>
>
> You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
>
> even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in
> terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
>
> you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult,
> my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
>
> its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
> altered to enter the us
>
> but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really not
> humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
>
> anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
>
> cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair https://www.etsy.com/list
> ing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model
>
>
>
> 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.co
> m/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=
> duvet-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)
>
>
>
> 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty" and
> unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.com
> /people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt&
> style=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front
>
>
>
> 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.c
> om/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-
> logo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=
> medium_location=front
>
>
>
> heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
>  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1
>
>
>
> heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
> description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/
>
>
>
> Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
> shit... capitalists
>
>
>
> These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
> everybody got the LoLz
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-
> GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V0
> 5813209=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>
> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal haired
> things.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
> particularly popular.
> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
> that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
> cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" 
> > wrote:
>
> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>
> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>
> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
> them in stores.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/
> B01F9P70YE
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

How else does one get likes on social media without blaring trumpets in
their own echo chambers?



On Feb 27, 2017 9:48 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Liberal and conservative seem to be labels for “people different from me”.



If I think back on my day, I can’t think of a single thing I did where
liberal or conservative mattered.  Why do we obsess so much over political
affiliation?  Isn’t that what sports teams are for?  So we can mock Packers
fans as lower life forms?  Are they liberals or conservatives?  Doesn’t
matter, they’re cheese-eating Packers fans.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 9:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?



You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
right?



You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.



On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

look at the sales of stuff with drumpf

even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in
terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at

you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult, my
grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island

its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
altered to enter the us

but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really not
humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it

anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/

cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair https://www.etsy.com/
listing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model



145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.
com/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?
p=duvet-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)



54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty" and
unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.
com/people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-
shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front



56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.
com/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-
campaign-logo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_
blue=medium_location=front



heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
 probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1



heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single description
https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/



Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
shit... capitalists



These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ everybody
got the LoLz



On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

You can also get a Chia Obama.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=
9SIA1V05813209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=
KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-
9SIA1V05813209=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds

Lewis Bergman wrote:


How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal haired
things.


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:

There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
particularly popular.
Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters

On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:

I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½

Cha Cha Cha Chia!

On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
them in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/
dp/B01F9P70YE

ï¿½



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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

Liberal and conservative seem to be labels for “people different from me”.

 

If I think back on my day, I can’t think of a single thing I did where liberal 
or conservative mattered.  Why do we obsess so much over political affiliation? 
 Isn’t that what sports teams are for?  So we can mock Packers fans as lower 
life forms?  Are they liberals or conservatives?  Doesn’t matter, they’re 
cheese-eating Packers fans.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

 

You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative, right?

 

You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.

 

On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

look at the sales of stuff with drumpf

even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in terms 
of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at

you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult, my 
grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island

its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities altered 
to enter the us

but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really not 
humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it

anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/

cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair 
https://www.etsy.com/listing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model

 

145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump 
https://www.redbubble.com/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=duvet-cover
 

 =king (ummm who really wins there)

 

54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty" and 
unique, just like everyone else 
https://www.redbubble.com/people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt 

 =mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front

 

56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf 
https://www.redbubble.com/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-logo?p=t-shirt
 

 =mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front

 

heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id  probably 
order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie) 
https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1

 

heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single description 
https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/

 

Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this shit... 
capitalists

 

These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ everybody got 
the LoLz

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley  > wrote:

You can also get a Chia Obama.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813209 

 
=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds

Lewis Bergman wrote:


How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal haired 
things.


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm    >> wrote:

There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
particularly popular.
Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters

On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke"  

 >> wrote:

I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½

Cha Cha Cha Chia!

On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
them in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

i got matrixes too
[image: Inline image 1]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>
> On Feb 27, 2017 9:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i can call my crank a weaved basket too, though I dont think I would want
>> to keep apples in it.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
>>> right?
>>>
>>> You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
 even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny
 in terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
 you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or
 insult, my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
 its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
 altered to enter the us
 but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really
 not humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
 anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
 cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair
 https://www.etsy.com/listing/294535383/make-merkins-gre
 at-again-drumpf-model

 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.co
 m/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=duve
 t-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)

 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty"
 and unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.com
 /people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt
 =mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front

 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.c
 om/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-l
 ogo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medi
 um_location=front

 heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
 https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1

 heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
 description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/

 Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
 shit... capitalists

 These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
 everybody got the LoLz

 On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-
> PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209
> lid=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>>
>> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal
>> haired things.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
>> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
>> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
>> particularly popular.
>> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
>> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
>> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
>> that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
>> cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" > > wrote:
>>
>> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>>
>> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>>
>> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
>>> them in stores.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B
>>> 01F9P70YE
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date:
>> 02/27/17
>>
>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

On Feb 27, 2017 9:33 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> i can call my crank a weaved basket too, though I dont think I would want
> to keep apples in it.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
>> right?
>>
>> You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
>>> even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny
>>> in terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
>>> you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult,
>>> my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
>>> its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
>>> altered to enter the us
>>> but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really
>>> not humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
>>> anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
>>> cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair
>>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/294535383/make-merkins-gre
>>> at-again-drumpf-model
>>>
>>> 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.co
>>> m/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=duve
>>> t-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)
>>>
>>> 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty"
>>> and unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.com
>>> /people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt
>>> =mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front
>>>
>>> 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.c
>>> om/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-l
>>> ogo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medi
>>> um_location=front
>>>
>>> heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
>>>  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
>>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1
>>>
>>> heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
>>> description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/
>>>
>>> Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
>>> shit... capitalists
>>>
>>> These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
>>> everybody got the LoLz
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You can also get a Chia Obama.

 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-
 PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209
 lid=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds

 Lewis Bergman wrote:

>
> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal
> haired things.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
> particularly popular.
> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
> that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
> cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke"  > wrote:
>
> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>
> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>
> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>>
>> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
>> them in stores.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B
>> 01F9P70YE
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date:
> 02/27/17
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

i can call my crank a weaved basket too, though I dont think I would want
to keep apples in it.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
> right?
>
> You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
>> even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in
>> terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
>> you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult,
>> my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
>> its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
>> altered to enter the us
>> but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really
>> not humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
>> anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
>> cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair https://www.etsy.com/list
>> ing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model
>>
>> 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.co
>> m/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=
>> duvet-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)
>>
>> 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty"
>> and unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.com
>> /people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt&
>> style=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front
>>
>> 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.c
>> om/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-
>> logo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=
>> medium_location=front
>>
>> heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
>>  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1
>>
>> heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
>> description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/
>>
>> Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
>> shit... capitalists
>>
>> These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
>> everybody got the LoLz
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>>>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
>>> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-
>>> PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209
>>> lid=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>>>
>>> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>

 How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal
 haired things.


 On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:

 There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
 right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
 toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
 particularly popular.
 Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
 you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
 same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
 that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
 cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters

 On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:

 I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½

 Cha Cha Cha Chia!

 On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

>
> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
> them in stores.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B
> 01F9P70YE
>
> ï¿½
>
>

 No virus found in this message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
 Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date:
 02/27/17


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

You realize you can be a social progressive and economic conservative,
right?

You can also be a social conservative and have a leftist economic stance.

On Feb 27, 2017 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
> even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in
> terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
> you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult,
> my grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
> its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
> altered to enter the us
> but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really not
> humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
> anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
> cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair https://www.etsy.com/
> listing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model
>
> 145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump https://www.redbubble.
> com/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?
> p=duvet-cover=king (ummm who really wins there)
>
> 54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty" and
> unique, just like everyone else https://www.redbubble.
> com/people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-
> shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium&
> print_location=front
>
> 56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf https://www.redbubble.
> com/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-
> campaign-logo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_
> blue=medium_location=front
>
> heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
>  probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1
>
> heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single
> description https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/
>
> Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
> shit... capitalists
>
> These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ
> everybody got the LoLz
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
>> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-
>> PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209&
>> gclid=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>>
>> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal
>>> haired things.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
>>> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
>>> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
>>> particularly popular.
>>> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
>>> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
>>> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
>>> that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
>>> cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>>>
>>> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>>>
>>> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>

 Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
 them in stores.

 https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B
 01F9P70YE

 ï¿½


>>>
>>> No virus found in this message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>>> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date:
>>> 02/27/17
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

look at the sales of stuff with drumpf
even the original Colbert skit, or whoever it was wasnt all that funny in
terms of comedy, it had a negative tone, so it was laughed at
you see people use the term drumpf constantly, still no humor or insult, my
grampas last name got a new spelling at ellis island
its actually an insult to immigrants who had to have their identities
altered to enter the us
but the left doesnt care, they have "make America drumpf again" really not
humorous, but negative to trump, so libs buy it buy it buy it
anti trump merch: https://www.drumpf.wtf/shop/
cheap dept store discard with a lil yellow hair
https://www.etsy.com/listing/294535383/make-merkins-great-again-drumpf-model

145 bucks to wrap yourself in trump
https://www.redbubble.com/people/lekkerontwerpen/works/21635441-donald-drumpf?p=duvet-cover=king
(ummm who really wins there)

54 bucks, not just a drumpf but even a full Godwin, just to be "witty" and
unique, just like everyone else
https://www.redbubble.com/people/willblack/works/21151690-herr-drumpf?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front

56 bucks and all you get is a Drumpf
https://www.redbubble.com/people/cooldad420/works/21081855-donald-drumpf-campaign-logo?p=t-shirt=mhoodiez_color=royal_blue=medium_location=front

heres the shitwipe, only 5 bucks to really stick it to the man (id
 probably order this to put on the bathroom shelf, i cant lie)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/263463026/trump-tissue?ref=related-1

heres 30 bucks of batshit, too much to break down into a single description
https://noobs.ninja/product/epic-charity-shirt-justice/

Funny thing is... who do you think gets the dough on most of this
shit... capitalists

These libs, always bringing down the system. Big LOLz little lolZ everybody
got the LoLz

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> You can also get a Chia Obama.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813
> 209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-
> GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V0
> 5813209=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>>
>> How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal haired
>> things.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
>> right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
>> toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
>> particularly popular.
>> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
>> you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
>> same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
>> that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
>> cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" > > wrote:
>>
>> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>>
>> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>>
>> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
>>> them in stores.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/
>>> B01F9P70YE
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date: 02/27/17
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: SpaceX offering tourist trip around the moon next year

can you imagine the liability waiver for this
I really hop its a man and woman planning on making the first space baby
and they film it
um
for science

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Now this is definitely On Topic.
>
> http://www.space.com/35844-elon-musk-spacex-announcement-today.html
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

2017-02-27 Thread Jay Weekley


You can also get a Chia Obama.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1V05813209=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-OG+-+Plant+Stands+%26+Hangers-_-9SIA1V05813209=CPrgwJ_QsdICFQdbhgodZxgOww=aw.ds

Lewis Bergman wrote:


How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal 
haired things.



On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump
right now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone
toward trump for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is
particularly popular.
Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal,
you could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the
same as it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer
that it's not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only
cover the geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters

On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:

I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½

Cha Cha Cha Chia!

On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen
them in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE

ï¿½




No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14035 - Release Date: 02/27/17

[AFMUG] OT: SpaceX offering tourist trip around the moon next year


Now this is definitely On Topic.

   http://www.space.com/35844-elon-musk-spacex-announcement-today.html


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

2017-02-27 Thread Jaime Solorza

How about " Deport Trump " T-shirts?  12.99 S-M, 14.99 L -XL

On Feb 27, 2017 5:59 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I might argue that supporters might want to buy it. Especially if the
> chia-hair was orange.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/27/2017 4:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump right now.
> You can put anything out there with a negative tone toward trump for sale,
> they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is particularly popular.
> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal, you could
> double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the same as it is now,
> just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer that it's not for trump
> supporters. Granted you'd have to only cover the geographically tiny
> pockets of liberal voters
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>
> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>
> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen them in stores.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

Your wordage trolls the fuck out of me. 100% serious. I almost want a huge
SJW liberal in here just to balance the scales, but then I don't want to be
in the middle of that bullshit either. You're both fucking crazy.

On Feb 27, 2017 6:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump right now.
> You can put anything out there with a negative tone toward trump for sale,
> they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is particularly popular.
> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal, you could
> double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the same as it is now,
> just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer that it's not for trump
> supporters. Granted you'd have to only cover the geographically tiny
> pockets of liberal voters
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>
> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>
> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen them in stores.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

I might argue that supporters might want to buy it. Especially if the 
chia-hair was orange.



bp


On 2/27/2017 4:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump right 
now. You can put anything out there with a negative tone toward trump 
for sale, they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is particularly 
popular.
Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal, you 
could double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the same as 
it is now, just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer that it's 
not for trump supporters. Granted you'd have to only cover the 
geographically tiny pockets of liberal voters


On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½

Cha Cha Cha Chia!

On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen them
in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE


ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

2017-02-27 Thread Lewis Bergman

How are chia negative?  I love chia haired things more than normal haired
things.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 6:41 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump right now.
> You can put anything out there with a negative tone toward trump for sale,
> they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is particularly popular.
> Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal, you could
> double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the same as it is now,
> just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer that it's not for trump
> supporters. Granted you'd have to only cover the geographically tiny
> pockets of liberal voters
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
> I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½
>
> Cha Cha Cha Chia!
>
> On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen them in stores.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets


Is that some sort of communist DHCP server?

   /As an adjective, rogue means moving away from the usual path or
   trajectory, being rebellious, divergent, or independent-thinking.
   ... Rouge is an adjective, it is French for “red.” In the cosmetics
   industry, rouge is another word for blush, the powder that is used
   to color cheeks and cheekbones./

bp


On 2/27/2017 3:18 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


Rouge dhcp server along with mac and IP.

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**–**Network Solution Engineer – Consultant ***

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE


For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 



Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 



Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy 
/sarcasm

*Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 4:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

DHCP alert will tell me if there is an IP thats not a DHCP server?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:


ARPs will not come though as you don’t have anything on that
subnet.  DHCP-Alert is what you want.

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**–**Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant

– MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net


Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com


Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.

I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that
bridge, but  its a pain

I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those
lines. collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that

I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the
interface, it doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP
arp listed as well sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one
digit off like a reboot cycling up in switch then into router mode
during boot cycle. I see it alot with netgear macs.

alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not
responding or otherwise apparently even active

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Oh? I never noticed that feature.

If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to
find them at that point.  That's really all you need.

-- Original Message --

From: "Dennis Burgess" >

To: "af@afmug.com " >

Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It
will not detect the dhcp sever on the router.  It will
give you basic information such as MAC address etc, but
really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a
DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is and
turn them off.

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**–**Network Solution Engineer –
Consultant *

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
–
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net


Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com


Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
*Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

How would that locate a static ip? I'm not understanding

On Feb 27, 2017 5:18 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

> Rouge dhcp server along with mac and IP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 4:54 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> DHCP alert will tell me if there is an IP thats not a DHCP server?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> ARPs will not come though as you don’t have anything on that subnet.
> DHCP-Alert is what you want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
>
> I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but
>  its a pain
>
> I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines.
> collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that
>
>
>
>
>
> I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface,
> it doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well
> sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot
> cycling up in switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot
> with netgear macs.
>
>
>
> alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding
> or otherwise apparently even active
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Oh?  I never noticed that feature.
>
>
>
> If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at
> that point.  That's really all you need.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the
> dhcp sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC
> address etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a
> DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch
> though.   Nettoix I belive does it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.
>
>
> I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things
> configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in
> Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
>
> Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

There is so much money being made off liberals hatred for trump right now.
You can put anything out there with a negative tone toward trump for sale,
they'll gobble it up. Maga toilet paper is particularly popular.
Depending on your customer base, if it's predominately liberal, you could
double your price on a fuck trump package, exactly the same as it is now,
just with the words fuck trump and a disclaimer that it's not for trump
supporters. Granted you'd have to only cover the geographically tiny
pockets of liberal voters

On Feb 27, 2017 5:36 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

I heard radio ads for them around the election.ï¿½

Cha Cha Cha Chia!

On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Are these for real, or more fake news?ï¿½ I havenï¿½t seen them in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

2017-02-27 Thread Nate Burke


I heard radio ads for them around the election.

Cha Cha Cha Chia!

On 2/27/2017 5:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Are these for real, or more fake news?  I havenï¿½t seen them in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE

[AFMUG] OT - Chia Trump?

Are these for real, or more fake news?  I haven't seen them in stores.

https://www.amazon.com/Chia-Freedom-Choice-Donald-Trump/dp/B01F9P70YE

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Rouge dhcp server along with mac and IP.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

DHCP alert will tell me if there is an IP thats not a DHCP server?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
ARPs will not come though as you don’t have anything on that subnet.  
DHCP-Alert is what you want.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but  its 
a pain
I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines. 
collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that

I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface, it 
doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well sometimes 
its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot cycling up in 
switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot with netgear macs.

alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding or 
otherwise apparently even active

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Oh?  I never noticed that feature.

If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at that 
point.  That's really all you need.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the dhcp 
sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC address 
etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a DHCP client 
on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.   
Nettoix I belive does it.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally,

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

2017-02-27 Thread Jesse DuPont


  
  
In the capture you'll be able to see the ARP requests being sent out
by all hosts on that L2 segment, regardless if whether you have an
IP in that subnet on your router. If you see a "who has 192.168.1.x,
tell 192.168.1.1", that's a telltale sign of a reversed or bridged
router.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 2/27/17 3:51 PM, Dennis Burgess
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
ARPs
will not come though as you don’t have anything on that
subnet.  DHCP-Alert is what you want.
 
 
Dennis
  Burgess –
  Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified
Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCINE
 
For
Wireless Hardware/Routers visit
www.linktechs.net
Radio
Frequiency Coverages:
www.towercoverage.com

Office:
314-735-0270
E-Mail:
dmburg...@linktechs.net

 
From: Af
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown
subnets
 

  Im mainly looking for IP space that
shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
  
I can packet sniff and exclude all
  configured subnets on that bridge, but  its a pain
  
  
I didnt know if there was arp monitor
  or something along those lines. collecting gratuitous ARPs
  or something like that
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i
  stick that subnet on the interface, it doesnt respond and
  often times has the customer IP arp listed as well
  sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off
  like a reboot cycling up in switch then into router mode
  during boot cycle. I see it alot with netgear macs.
  
  
 
  
  
alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is
  persistent even though its not responding or otherwise
  apparently even active
  


   
  
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam
  Moffett 
  wrote:

  

  Oh?  I never noticed that
feature.


   


  If you get the offender's MAC
address it should be trivial to find them at that
point.  That's really all you need.


   


   


  -- Original Message --


  From: "Dennis Burgess" 


  To: "af@afmug.com"



  Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM


  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik
quick view for unknown subnets


   


  

  MIkroTik
  does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It
  will not detect the dhcp sever on the router. 
  It will give you basic information such as MAC
  address etc, but really don’t help you too
  much. But neither will turning a DHCP client
  on.  You have to find where that client is and
  turn them off. 

   
  
 
Dennis
  Burgess –
  Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

DHCP alert will tell me if there is an IP thats not a DHCP server?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> ARPs will not come though as you don’t have anything on that subnet.
> DHCP-Alert is what you want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
>
> I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but
>  its a pain
>
> I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines.
> collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that
>
>
>
>
>
> I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface,
> it doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well
> sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot
> cycling up in switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot
> with netgear macs.
>
>
>
> alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding
> or otherwise apparently even active
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Oh?  I never noticed that feature.
>
>
>
> If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at
> that point.  That's really all you need.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the
> dhcp sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC
> address etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a
> DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch
> though.   Nettoix I belive does it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.
>
>
> I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things
> configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in
> Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
>
> Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.
> That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.
>
>
>
> If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a
> DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the
> boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind
> of quick, simple test you're hoping for.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> There is no reason why it would and should

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

2017-02-27 Thread chuck

I used to have a way to figure it out.  I don’t remember how I did it other 
than link tests were involved.  I think I link tested every SM one by one on an 
AP until something happened...
Perhaps until a particular IP stopped pinging or ???

From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

ARPs will not come though as you don’t have anything on that subnet.  
DHCP-Alert is what you want.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.

I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but  its 
a pain

I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines. 
collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that

I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface, it 
doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well sometimes 
its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot cycling up in 
switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot with netgear macs.

alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding or 
otherwise apparently even active

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Oh?  I never noticed that feature.

  If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at 
that point.  That's really all you need.

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Dennis Burgess" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the 
dhcp sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC 
address etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a 
DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.  

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.  
 Nettoix I belive does it.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".

Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  
That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.

-- Original Message --

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

  clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

  On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess  
wrote:

There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily 
allow the one offs …

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

ARPs will not come though as you don’t have anything on that subnet.  
DHCP-Alert is what you want.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but  its 
a pain
I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines. 
collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that

I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface, it 
doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well sometimes 
its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot cycling up in 
switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot with netgear macs.

alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding or 
otherwise apparently even active

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Oh?  I never noticed that feature.

If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at that 
point.  That's really all you need.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the dhcp 
sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC address 
etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a DHCP client 
on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.   
Nettoix I belive does it.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Depends, what do you see?

 

Some routers had a FW bug where they did UPnP on the WAN port.  I forget what 
brand and model.  I think older DLinks might have been one of them.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

 

could what i see be a component of bad upnp?

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jesse DuPont  > wrote:

There isn't really anything that does what you want other than looking at 
packets. Your best bet will be to capture and then filter just ARP packets or 
just DHCP server packets (UDP, source-port 67) to find rogue DHCP servers. It's 
a start.

Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net  
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com  /celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com  /celeritybroadband


On 2/27/17 3:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not. 

I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but  its 
a pain

I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines. 
collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that

 

 

I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface, it 
doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well sometimes 
its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot cycling up in 
switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot with netgear macs.

 

alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding or 
otherwise apparently even active

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

Oh?  I never noticed that feature.

 

If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at that 
point.  That's really all you need.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Dennis Burgess"  >

To: "af@afmug.com  "  >

Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

 

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the dhcp 
sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC address 
etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a DHCP client 
on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.  

 

 

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 

  MikroTik 
Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit   
www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages:   
www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270  

E-Mail:   dmburg...@linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

 

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.   
Nettoix I belive does it.

 

 

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 

  MikroTik 
Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit   
www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages:   
www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270  

E-Mail:   dmburg...@linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

 

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.


I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".

Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

 

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

2017-02-27 Thread Jesse DuPont


  
  
Possibly, but more probable is reversed router, router who's NAT has
failed, or router in bridged-mode (or switch), as you've already
mentioned.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 2/27/17 3:40 PM, That One Guy
  /sarcasm wrote:


  could what i see be a component of bad upnp?
  
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jesse
  DuPont 
  wrote:
  
 There isn't really
  anything that does what you want other than looking at
  packets. Your best bet will be to capture and then filter
  just ARP packets or just DHCP server packets (UDP,
  source-port 67) to find rogue DHCP servers. It's a start.
  
  

  Jesse DuPont
  
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

  

  
  
On
  2/27/17 3:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  
  
  Im mainly looking for IP space that
shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
I can packet sniff and exclude all configured
  subnets on that bridge, but  its a pain
I didnt know if there was arp monitor or
  something along those lines. collecting gratuitous
  ARPs or something like that




I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick
  that subnet on the interface, it doesnt respond
  and often times has the customer IP arp listed as
  well sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one
  digit off like a reboot cycling up in switch then
  into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot
  with netgear macs.


alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent
  even though its not responding or otherwise
  apparently even active
  


  On Mon, Feb
  27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett 
  wrote:


  

  
Oh?  I never noticed that feature.


If you get the offender's MAC address
  it should be trivial to find them at that
  point.  That's really all you need.

  
  
  
  
  -- Original Message --
  From: "Dennis Burgess" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick
view for unknown subnets
  
  


  

MIkroTik
does have a dhcp alert detection
as well.  It will not detect the
dhcp sever on the router.  It
will give you basic information
such as MAC address etc, but
really don’t help you too much.
But neither will turning a DHCP
client on.  You have to find

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

could what i see be a component of bad upnp?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jesse DuPont  wrote:

> There isn't really anything that does what you want other than looking at
> packets. Your best bet will be to capture and then filter just ARP packets
> or just DHCP server packets (UDP, source-port 67) to find rogue DHCP
> servers. It's a start.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 2/27/17 3:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
> I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but
>  its a pain
> I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines.
> collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that
>
>
> I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface,
> it doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well
> sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot
> cycling up in switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot
> with netgear macs.
>
> alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding
> or otherwise apparently even active
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Oh?  I never noticed that feature.
>>
>> If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them
>> at that point.  That's really all you need.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>>
>> MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect
>> the dhcp sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as
>> MAC address etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will
>> turning a DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is and turn
>> them off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>>
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>>
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <%28314%29%20735-0270>
>>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>>
>>
>>
>> Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch
>> though.   Nettoix I belive does it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>>
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>>
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <%28314%29%20735-0270>
>>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>>
>>
>>
>> Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.
>>
>>
>> I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things
>> configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in
>> Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
>>
>> Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.
>> That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a
>> DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the
>> boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind
>> of quick, simple test you're hoping for.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>
>> Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>>
>>
>>
>> clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily
>> allow the one offs …
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>>
>> MikroTik

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

2017-02-27 Thread Jesse DuPont


  
  
There isn't really anything that does what you want other than
looking at packets. Your best bet will be to capture and then filter
just ARP packets or just DHCP server packets (UDP, source-port 67)
to find rogue DHCP servers. It's a start.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 2/27/17 3:18 PM, That One Guy
  /sarcasm wrote:


  Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be
present, DHCP or not.
I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on
  that bridge, but  its a pain
I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along
  those lines. collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that




I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on
  the interface, it doesnt respond and often times has the
  customer IP arp listed as well sometimes its the same mac,
  sometimes its one digit off like a reboot cycling up in switch
  then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot with
  netgear macs.


alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its
  not responding or otherwise apparently even active
  
  
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam
  Moffett 
  wrote:
  

  Oh?  I never noticed that feature.
  
  
  If you get the offender's MAC address it should be
trivial to find them at that point.  That's really all
you need.
  




-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "af@afmug.com"
  
  
Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for
  unknown subnets


  
  

  
  MIkroTik
  does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It
  will not detect the dhcp sever on the router. 
  It will give you basic information such as MAC
  address etc, but really don’t help you too
  much. But neither will turning a DHCP client
  on.  You have to find where that client is and
  turn them off. 

   


   
  Dennis
Burgess –
Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
  
MikroTik
  Certified Trainer/Consultant
– MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
 
For
Wireless Hardware/Routers visit
  www.linktechs.net
Radio
Frequiency Coverages:
  www.towercoverage.com
  
Office:
314-735-0270
E-Mail:
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
  
  
 

  
From: Af
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59
PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick
  view for unknown subnets
  

 
Switch
can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a
dumb switch though.   Nettoix I belive does it.
 

   
  Dennis
Burgess –
Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
  
MikroTik

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Im mainly looking for IP space that shouldnt be present, DHCP or not.
I can packet sniff and exclude all configured subnets on that bridge, but
 its a pain
I didnt know if there was arp monitor or something along those lines.
collecting gratuitous ARPs or something like that


I see alot of false 192.168.1.1 when i stick that subnet on the interface,
it doesnt respond and often times has the customer IP arp listed as well
sometimes its the same mac, sometimes its one digit off like a reboot
cycling up in switch then into router mode during boot cycle. I see it alot
with netgear macs.

alot of times the 192.168.1.1 is persistent even though its not responding
or otherwise apparently even active

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Oh?  I never noticed that feature.
>
> If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at
> that point.  That's really all you need.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dennis Burgess" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
> MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the
> dhcp sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC
> address etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a
> DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch
> though.   Nettoix I belive does it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.
>
>
> I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things
> configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in
> Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
>
> Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.
> That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.
>
>
>
> If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a
> DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the
> boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind
> of quick, simple test you're hoping for.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily allow
> the one offs …
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client
> isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Your client isolation should take care of

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

2017-02-27 Thread Mike Hammett

Most PtMP platforms have their own variation of SM Isolation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets 


Only on two different router interfaces. If they're on a switch, then no. 

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation". 
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone. That's a 
multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it. 


If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS". That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for. 








-- Original Message -- 
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets 





clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation? 


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 





There is no reason why it would and should not . J You can easily allow the one 
offs … 


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets 


A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know 



On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
wrote: 






Your client isolation should take care of that. FYI. 


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets 


I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general 

another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating 



On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 







You might find the useful. 



https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640 





Regards. 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 







From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets 






If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a subnet on 
the interface and there wont be an arp entry? 



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Yep.. it will take a bit but it will work.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Oh?  I never noticed that feature.

If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them at that 
point.  That's really all you need.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the dhcp 
sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC address 
etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a DHCP client 
on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.   
Nettoix I belive does it.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Note, that should NOT affect it.  The DHCP-client trick should work, and it 
will get you the MAC address, the DHCP-ALERT will get you the mac as well. But 
you should NEVER distribute all connected subnets, this is a prime example of 
why not. ☺Don’t get me wrong, there is a time and place for it, but 99% of 
the time, it always comes back to bite you.  What networks are for! ☺

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I should probably addif you're distributing all connected subnets via ospf, 
then the dhcp-client trick will distribute a route to the customer's LAN 
subnet.  You might not want that.
That might be obvious depending on how much Keystone Ice we've already had.

-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:57:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
You might find the useful.

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction

2017-02-27 Thread Nate Burke

I think this might be an issue between the Edgepoint and the Airfiber.  
I set the Port on the Edgepoint on the same network as the AF24 radio, 
and as I increase ICMP Packet size, I start to have more and more packet 
loss to the radio itself.


This was a Brand New AF24, cable length is about 10'  Showing 29DB SNR 
on all cable pairs.  However I'm realizing now that the radio plugged 
into the Edgepoint does not give me a cable length, but the AF24 on the 
other end does.  I wonder if this is an older unit I ended up with and 
there's some sort of Ethernet incompatibility. Reading through the 
forums, there's a lot of posts about older AF24 units and MTU size 
speculating that a hardware changed occurred somewhere along the line, 
but never confirmed by UBNT.


Nate


On 2/27/2017 8:34 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Nate,
For testing purposes

Considering using the Traffic Generator vs the BW Test tool. (look at the MT 
wiki for instructions).
With CCR1009, pay attention to which ports you are connecting to.. due to the 
switch chip in there, not all ports have 1g connection to the CPU.

Avoid, bridge ports, change the default interface queue to ethernet-defaut
you can also get more information out of the AF24, by connecting to them via 
ssh/telnet and issuing emacstat command..

I am not sure about the Edgepoint or 16SG, if they provide enhanced ethernet 
stats. (We like the netonix cause they show a lot more details of ethernet 
stats, the MT will also do that when you look at the ethernet stats via CLI)

All of these should be able to help you find the issue.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:08:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction
Flow control is disabled in both the Edgepoint and the 16SG.  I found a
CCR1009 with an SFP+ Port I can put on the 16XG to test to the X86 10G
card.  Other than the Tik on the other end of the AF24 link, I don't
have any other Tik's directly connected to this setup.

On 2/26/2017 10:10 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:

Flow Control??


On 02/26/2017 06:31 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

I have a setup which I just Installed, and I'm trying to track down
no speed in 1 direction on the link, Not having much luck so far, so
I thought I'd ask.  The AF24 is reporting full modulation.  I can't
even maintain a winbox connection to the router.

RB1100X2 -> Copper to AF24
AF24 -> Copper to Edgepoint S16 -> 10G fiber to Edgeswitch 16XG ->
10G fiber to X86 Mikrotik with Dell KJYD8 Broadcom 10G card.

The Mikrotik to AF24 path is on the default Vlan1 on the 16XG and
Edgepoint S16.

Bandwidth Test results:
TCP BW test at 500mb+ from the RB1100X2 (cpu limit) to the X86
~2mb from the X86 to the RB1100X2.

UDP BW Test at 700MB from the RB1100X2 to the X86
X86 is transmitting 700mb, but the RB1100 is only receiving ~400mb

MTU on everything is set to 1518.


Open to any ideas of what to try.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets


Oh?  I never noticed that feature.

If you get the offender's MAC address it should be trivial to find them 
at that point.  That's really all you need.



-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/27/2017 5:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect 
the dhcp sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such 
as MAC address etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither 
will turning a DHCP client on.  You have to find where that client is 
and turn them off.






Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch 
though.   Nettoix I belive does it.






Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then 
no.



I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature 
in Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".


Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  
That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.




If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck 
the boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be 
the kind of quick, simple test you're hoping for.










-- Original Message --

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client 
isolation?




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:


There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily 
allow the one offs …






Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B 
client isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:



Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.





Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general

another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks 
recently had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at 
multiple locations from the same site, different APs, we bridge the 
APs at the POP, so they were directly communicating




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:



You might find the useful.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I should probably addif you're distributing all connected subnets 
via ospf, then the dhcp-client trick will distribute a route to the 
customer's LAN subnet.  You might not want that.
That might be obvious depending on how much Keystone Ice we've already 
had.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:57:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then 
no.


I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature 
in Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  
That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.


If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck 
the boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be 
the kind of quick, simple test you're hoping for.





-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client 
isolation?


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily 
allow the one offs …






Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B 
client isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:



Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.





Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general

another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks 
recently had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at 
multiple locations from the same site, different APs, we bridge the 
APs at the POP, so they were directly communicating




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:



You might find the useful.



https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640 







Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net






From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is 
there an arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this 
since its not a subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp 
entry?




--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of 
the team.










--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.








--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

MIkroTik does have a dhcp alert detection as well.  It will not detect the dhcp 
sever on the router.  It will give you basic information such as MAC address 
etc, but really don’t help you too much. But neither will turning a DHCP client 
on.  You have to find where that client is and turn them off.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.   
Nettoix I belive does it.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Yup that's true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:59:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch 
though.   Nettoix I belive does it.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then 
no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature 
in Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".

Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  
That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck 
the boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be 
the kind of quick, simple test you're hoping for.

-- Original Message --

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client 
isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:

There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily 
allow the one offs …

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B 
client isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:

Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.

Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general

another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks 
recently had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at 
multiple locations from the same site, different APs, we bridge the 
APs at the POP, so they were directly communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:

You might find the useful.

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net 

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is 
there an arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this 
since its not a subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp 
entry?

--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of 
the team.

--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Rephrase.

Any managed switch should be able to do that.
A MIkroTik can of course, all with one bridge group.. There are many different 
ways of doing it there.
The SM isolation should be turned on as well.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.




-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
You might find the useful.

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Switch can do it too, port isolation! Lol  note, not a dumb switch though.   
Nettoix I belive does it.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then no.

I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in Canopy 
equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  That's 
a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.

If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the boxes 
for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the kind of quick, 
simple test you're hoping for.




-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
You might find the useful.

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a subnet on 
the interface and there wont be an arp entry?


--
If you only see yourself as part of

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Only on two different router interfaces.  If they're on a switch, then 
no.


I think Dennis may be referring to how you should ideally have things 
configured, and I think you're talking specifically about the feature in 
Canopy equipment labeled "SM Isolation".
Ideally, yeah you should make it so one customer can't break everyone.  
That's a multi-faceted thing and SM Isolation is one component of it.


If you're looking specifically for a router plugged in backwards, add a 
DHCP-client to the interface facing the AP, and (*critical*) uncheck the 
boxes for "add default route" and "add peer DNS".  That might be the 
kind of quick, simple test you're hoping for.





-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/27/2017 4:42:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client 
isolation?


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily 
allow the one offs …






Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B 
client isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:



Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.





Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE




For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net

Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com

Office: 314-735-0270 

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
/sarcasm

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets



I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general

another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks 
recently had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at 
multiple locations from the same site, different APs, we bridge the 
APs at the POP, so they were directly communicating




On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:



You might find the useful.



https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640 







Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net






From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is 
there an arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this 
since its not a subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp 
entry?




--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.










--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.








--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

No it wouldn't be stopped by client isolation.

You could stop it with VLANs pretty easily.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Yep Clients should only be able to reach the Router that is in
> question, that it . J
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:42 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily allow
> the one offs …
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client
> isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
>
> another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently
> had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations
> from the same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they
> were directly communicating
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> You might find the useful.
>
>
>
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
> If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an
> arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a
> subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp entry?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

cool
but back to the original question, without doing packet sniffing is there a
way to see rogue subnets?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Yep Clients should only be able to reach the Router that is in
> question, that it . J
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 3:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily allow
> the one offs …
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client
> isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
>
> another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently
> had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations
> from the same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they
> were directly communicating
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> You might find the useful.
>
>
>
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
> If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an
> arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a
> subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp entry?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Yep Clients should only be able to reach the Router that is in question, 
that it . ☺


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
You might find the useful.

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a subnet on 
the interface and there wont be an arp entry?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

clients on two different access points wil be blocked by client isolation?

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> There is no reason why it would and should not .  J  You can easily allow
> the one offs …
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client
> isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
>
> another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently
> had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations
> from the same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they
> were directly communicating
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> You might find the useful.
>
>
>
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
> If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an
> arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a
> subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp entry?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

There is no reason why it would and should not .  ☺  You can easily allow the 
one offs …


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client 
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
You might find the useful.

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a subnet on 
the interface and there wont be an arp entry?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Exactly.

 

I am seeing a lot of unmarked white vans leased from Enterprise.  But sometimes 
just some random guy in a random car.  I think the Enterprise vans may be Phase 
2, with drones being Phase 3?  In Phase 4, will they just put it in the 
Transporter and beam it to us?  Or maybe everything will be virtual by then, 
and we won’t need physical items delivered.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

 

Amazon has their own delivery service. Well, and there are dozens if not 
hundreds of last-mile delivery services out there.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:44:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use.

 

Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they don't 
honor my UPS request.  I don't know what random dude is delivering in your area 
but it's only those two for my address.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price is 
$69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a constant concern with 
Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the Amazon 
marketplace) may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an emergency.

 

Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or some 
random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for delivery to my 
house, but we’re running a business here.  There are some advantages to having 
stuff come UPS or FedEx.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

 

Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills Streakwave...

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

 

Nope.

 

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele"  > wrote:

Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

I do and see what you're saying, however, I figure a $25 margin on a Beam5
is enough of a gap when the product is sub $100


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> You know that Amazon prices are a moving target in many respects? Prime
> members get different prices than non-Prime, and there are other variations
> depending on several factors. I've seen, and witnessed this in action. You
> might also see different prices just by switching browsers and/or operating
> in incognito mode.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/27/2017 12:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use.
>
> Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they
> don't honor my UPS request.  I don't know what random dude is delivering in
> your area but it's only those two for my address.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price
>> is $69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a constant concern with
>> Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the
>> Amazon marketplace) may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an
>> emergency.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or
>> some random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for
>> delivery to my house, but we’re running a business here.  There are some
>> advantages to having stuff come UPS or FedEx.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>>
>>
>>
>> Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
>> Streakwave...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

You know that Amazon prices are a moving target in many respects? Prime 
members get different prices than non-Prime, and there are other 
variations depending on several factors. I've seen, and witnessed this 
in action. You might also see different prices just by switching 
browsers and/or operating in incognito mode.



bp


On 2/27/2017 12:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use.

Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they 
don't honor my UPS request.  I don't know what random dude is 
delivering in your area but it's only those two for my address.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the
price is $69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a
constant concern with Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to
Amazon (and sellers on the Amazon marketplace) may be if they have
stock on a regular basis or in an emergency.

Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring
it, or some random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering
socks for delivery to my house, but we’re running a business
here.  There are some advantages to having stuff come UPS or FedEx.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
Streakwave...

*From:*Josh Reynolds

*Sent:*Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Nope.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele"
> wrote:

Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime
prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

That must only be available in the civilized world...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Amazon has their own delivery service. Well, and there are dozens if not
> hundreds of last-mile delivery services out there.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 27, 2017 2:44:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>
> At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use.
>
> Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they
> don't honor my UPS request.  I don't know what random dude is delivering in
> your area but it's only those two for my address.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price
>> is $69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a constant concern with
>> Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the
>> Amazon marketplace) may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an
>> emergency.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or
>> some random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for
>> delivery to my house, but we’re running a business here.  There are some
>> advantages to having stuff come UPS or FedEx.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>>
>>
>>
>> Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
>> Streakwave...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Holy damn this is a flattering picture!!!
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-TOUGHCable-TC-PRO-Shielded/dp/B008L143VW/ref=pd_sim_147_3?_encoding=UTF8_rd_i=B008L143VW_rd_r=GZK8N6D367W80HB5X5D2_rd_w=KV7vo_rd_wg=FmNIc=1=GZK8N6D367W80HB5X5D2


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use.
>
> Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they
> don't honor my UPS request.  I don't know what random dude is delivering in
> your area but it's only those two for my address.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price
>> is $69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a constant concern with
>> Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the
>> Amazon marketplace) may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an
>> emergency.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or
>> some random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for
>> delivery to my house, but we’re running a business here.  There are some
>> advantages to having stuff come UPS or FedEx.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>>
>>
>>
>> Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
>> Streakwave...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

2017-02-27 Thread Mike Hammett

Amazon has their own delivery service. Well, and there are dozens if not 
hundreds of last-mile delivery services out there. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 2:44:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime 


At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use. 


Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they don't 
honor my UPS request. I don't know what random dude is delivering in your area 
but it's only those two for my address. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price is 
$69.95 vs $69.85. Who has it in stock? That’s a constant concern with Ubiquiti 
(and Mikrotik). The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the Amazon marketplace) 
may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an emergency. 

Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or some 
random guy in his car? It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for delivery to my 
house, but we’re running a business here. There are some advantages to having 
stuff come UPS or FedEx. 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime 




Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon? Bet that really thrills Streakwave... 






From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime 




Nope. 




On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" < timothy.pct...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

At a glance Amazon seems more expensive than any vendor I use.

Everything I get is UPS except CTI, which is sometimes Fedex when they
don't honor my UPS request.  I don't know what random dude is delivering in
your area but it's only those two for my address.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price
> is $69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a constant concern with
> Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the
> Amazon marketplace) may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an
> emergency.
>
>
>
> Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or
> some random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for
> delivery to my house, but we’re running a business here.  There are some
> advantages to having stuff come UPS or FedEx.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>
>
>
> Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
> Streakwave...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Chris Wright

I won’t be surprised if I hear that whoever posted the video figured out how to 
game the AP somehow and that shenanigans are afoot. But the fact that this is 
happening at all means there is a vulnerability out there to which everyone 
using AP is exposed.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

I'd imagine the drunkest of drunks would drive better than that.  I wonder if 
it's defective hardware somehow?  The other videos are nearly opposite that 
experience - some mistakes but mostly good.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:
The Tesla/AutoPilot fanboy in me hopes this is fake, but I’m fairly certain 
it’s not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYav3_7miIc

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:34 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

On Feb 27, 2017 10:50 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Robert Andrews


& Tesla is dead proof that nice guys finish last...

On 02/27/2017 10:33 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


On Feb 27, 2017 10:50 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

I'd imagine the drunkest of drunks would drive better than that.  I wonder
if it's defective hardware somehow?  The other videos are nearly opposite
that experience - some mistakes but mostly good.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> The Tesla/AutoPilot fanboy in me hopes this is fake, but I’m fairly
> certain it’s not.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYav3_7miIc
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 10:34 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 10:50 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
>
> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

Work trucks that need to travel distance or towing don't match well with
battery dependent cars.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> I would be very surprised to find out that Tesla was NOT working on a
> truck of some sort.
>
>
> On 2/27/17 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the
> hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented
> cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early
> sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,58b467db43521624299452!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Chris Wright

The Tesla/AutoPilot fanboy in me hopes this is fake, but I’m fairly certain 
it’s not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYav3_7miIc

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:34 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA


On Feb 27, 2017 10:50 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

A. we have some locations where we dont use client isolation and B client
isolation doesnt apply to two access points as far as I know

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
>
>
> I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
>
> another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently
> had a slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations
> from the same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they
> were directly communicating
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> You might find the useful.
>
>
>
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
> If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an
> arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a
> subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp entry?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Seems like availability would be the bigger issue, not whether the price is 
$69.95 vs $69.85.  Who has it in stock?  That’s a constant concern with 
Ubiquiti (and Mikrotik).  The advantage to Amazon (and sellers on the Amazon 
marketplace) may be if they have stock on a regular basis or in an emergency.

 

Also what warehouse does it ship from, and will the UPS guy bring it, or some 
random guy in his car?  It’s one thing if I’m ordering socks for delivery to my 
house, but we’re running a business here.  There are some advantages to having 
stuff come UPS or FedEx.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

 

Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills Streakwave...

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

 

Nope.

 

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele"  > wrote:

Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

2017-02-27 Thread Mathew Howard

Just looking quickly at Amazon's prices on a few things, it looks to me
like free shipping will make it a bit cheaper for small quantities, but I'd
guess that once you get over 10 or so, going to the likes of Streakwave is
going to be cheaper... especially if they're somewhat local to you.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> The margins are so small and shipping costs so high for some equipment,
> it’s hard for the distributors to compete against free shipping.  Then
> throw in the fact the equipment shows up in 1-2 days on Prime pretty much
> guaranteed, return policy is extremely easy and doesn’t cost you a
> restocking fee, and you know if they have it in stock before you order.  If
> you are ordering small quantities, it’s a problem for distributors,
> especially when other distributors like Flytec are using Amazon.  Then
> there is the fact that some equipment is eligible for extended warranties,
> Mikrotik and AF24’s come to mind, and no distributor has that.  I wrote
> about this a while back and haven’t seen any changes from distributors.
> Right now though, distributors have terms for some companies and that alone
> has value.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>
>
>
> Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
> Streakwave...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

2017-02-27 Thread Mike Hammett

Which products? The first one I checked seems to be a slam dunk. When getting 
2x PBE-M5-400, Baltic is $9.51 cheaper, even on 2 day shipping. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Timothy Steele"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:46:06 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime 

Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Hard to keep a distributor happy if you compete with them.

My e commerce site has higher prices on purpose and I warn folks during the 
checkout phase that they can get better pricing through the distributors.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

The margins are so small and shipping costs so high for some equipment, it’s 
hard for the distributors to compete against free shipping.  Then throw in the 
fact the equipment shows up in 1-2 days on Prime pretty much guaranteed, return 
policy is extremely easy and doesn’t cost you a restocking fee, and you know if 
they have it in stock before you order.  If you are ordering small quantities, 
it’s a problem for distributors, especially when other distributors like Flytec 
are using Amazon.  Then there is the fact that some equipment is eligible for 
extended warranties, Mikrotik and AF24’s come to mind, and no distributor has 
that.  I wrote about this a while back and haven’t seen any changes from 
distributors.  Right now though, distributors have terms for some companies and 
that alone has value.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills Streakwave...

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Nope.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele"  wrote:

Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

2017-02-27 Thread Rory Conaway

The margins are so small and shipping costs so high for some equipment, it’s 
hard for the distributors to compete against free shipping.  Then throw in the 
fact the equipment shows up in 1-2 days on Prime pretty much guaranteed, return 
policy is extremely easy and doesn’t cost you a restocking fee, and you know if 
they have it in stock before you order.  If you are ordering small quantities, 
it’s a problem for distributors, especially when other distributors like Flytec 
are using Amazon.  Then there is the fact that some equipment is eligible for 
extended warranties, Mikrotik and AF24’s come to mind, and no distributor has 
that.  I wrote about this a while back and haven’t seen any changes from 
distributors.  Right now though, distributors have terms for some companies and 
that alone has value.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills Streakwave...

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Nope.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
> wrote:
Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

If you just need like 5 or 10, go to Amazon. If you need like 100+, a
distributor will normally win IME.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:48 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills
> Streakwave...
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime
>
> Nope.
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Really, Streakwave cannot beat Amazon?  Bet that really thrills Streakwave...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Nope.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele"  wrote:

  Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

At least, not without significant volume.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Nope.
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele" 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

Nope.

On Feb 27, 2017 12:46 PM, "Timothy Steele"  wrote:

> Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

[AFMUG] Ubnt distro cheaper then Amazon prime

2017-02-27 Thread Timothy Steele

Anyone know of UBNT distributors that can beat Amazon prime prices?

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

Your client isolation should take care of that.  FYI.


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had a 
slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from the 
same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were directly 
communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
You might find the useful.

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a subnet on 
the interface and there wont be an arp entry?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

I wasnt clear, I was actually looking for rogue subnets in general
another issue example is that a customer with some time clocks recently had
a slick tech put a switch in before the router at multiple locations from
the same site, different APs, we bridge the APs at the POP, so they were
directly communicating

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> You might find the useful.
>
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets
>
> If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an
> arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a
> subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp entry?
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Jaime Solorza

On Feb 27, 2017 10:50 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

Numerous reports that they are doing just that. Big risk there because 
of the requirements a truck would demand.



bp


On 2/27/2017 10:00 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
I would be very surprised to find out that Tesla was NOT working on a 
truck of some sort.


On 2/27/17 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, 
the hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small 
economy-oriented cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get 
a bump for the early sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.



bp


On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG


!DSPAM:2,58b467db43521624299452!

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

2017-02-27 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

You might find the useful. 

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=23640 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:34:59 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

> If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an 
> arp(ish)
> check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a subnet on the
> interface and there wont be an arp entry?

> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

What happened with "The Boring Company"?  Was that a prank?

 

If you're willing to read "fake news" in the "enemy of the people" dishonest
media, here's a nice article about the Intel-Micron flash memory chip plant
in Utah:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/technology/im-flash-intel-micron-manufact
uring-trump.html

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

 

The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the
hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented
cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early
sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.

 

bp

 

On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.

http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

I like this list because it is free.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

There is a ‘’cambium-users’  WISPA list now that is on topic and Cambium 
specific.  You can join it from the “My Account” page at WISPA. 

AFMUG has gone pretty far off topic of late.   If figure that’s a good thing in 
that people must not have much to complain about with regard to equipment or 
the industry.  

I like this list because I can say things I can’t (or maybe “shouldn’t” say) on 
the WISPA lists.

Mark

  On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:

  On this list, we should probably change the OT acronym to "On Topic!"

  Jeff Broadwick 
  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

  On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the 
hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented cars 
not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early sales of 
the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.

bp

On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
  http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Mark Radabaugh

There is a ‘’cambium-users’  WISPA list now that is on topic and Cambium 
specific.  You can join it from the “My Account” page at WISPA.

AFMUG has gone pretty far off topic of late.   If figure that’s a good thing in 
that people must not have much to complain about with regard to equipment or 
the industry.  

I like this list because I can say things I can’t (or maybe “shouldn’t” say) on 
the WISPA lists.

Mark


> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> On this list, we should probably change the OT acronym to "On Topic!"
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> 
>> Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please. 
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince <>
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>>  
>> The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the 
>> hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented 
>> cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early 
>> sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.
>> 
>>  
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
>>> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG 
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

I imagine PayPal can loan them some money.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

I heard a detailed report about this over the weekend. Apparently Musk told 
investors that the company will continue to lose money even after production of 
the 3 and that they are going to have to raise more money. Financial 
institutions are starting to get nervous about the company. There are 
indications that they could be bankrupt in a year or so if they can't raise the 
money. 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

  The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the hot 
sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented cars not 
so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early sales of the 
Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.

bp

On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Cameron Crum

I heard a detailed report about this over the weekend. Apparently Musk told
investors that the company will continue to lose money even after
production of the 3 and that they are going to have to raise more money.
Financial institutions are starting to get nervous about the company. There
are indications that they could be bankrupt in a year or so if they can't
raise the money.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>
>
> The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the
> hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented
> cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early
> sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Bruce Robertson

I would be very surprised to find out that Tesla was NOT working on a 
truck of some sort.


On 2/27/17 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, 
the hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small 
economy-oriented cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get 
a bump for the early sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.



bp


On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG


!DSPAM:2,58b467db43521624299452!

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

On this list, we should probably change the OT acronym to "On Topic!"

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>  
> The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the hot 
> sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented cars 
> not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early sales of 
> the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
>> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the hot 
sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented cars not 
so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early sales of the 
Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.

bp

On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
  http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, 
the hot sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small 
economy-oriented cars not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a 
bump for the early sales of the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.



bp


On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

2017-02-27 Thread Bruce Robertson


Yes please!  I'd like to add to my position.

On 2/27/17 9:50 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
!DSPAM:2,58b466cd41991965811004!

[AFMUG] OT TSLA

Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG

Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,

2017-02-27 Thread Dave

Ok, Thats it I am moving to ozarks and digging a Cave using wood,sticks 
and rocks as my media outlet :)



On 02/27/2017 09:19 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
everyone should have publicly accessible light bulbs.  Makes it easier 
to watch things with the publicly accessible cameras in every device 
in your house.


Mark

On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


1 million connected devices per square kilometer.  Because … Internet 
of Things.
In my area, those 2 houses can have a lot of Internet enabled light 
bulbs and toasters.
OK, they’re probably talking about urban public spaces.  But do 
people take their light bulbs and toasters with them?
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*That One Guy 
/sarcasm

*Sent:*Monday, February 27, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,
So where feasible 1bit/hz is good?
On Feb 27, 2017 2:38 AM, "Gino Villarini" > wrote:

So here it is:
The total download capacity for a single 5G cell must be at least 
20Gbps, the International Telcommunication Union (ITU) has decided. 
In contrast, the peak data rate for current LTE cells is about 
1Gbps. The incoming 5G standard must also support up to 1 million 
connected devices per square kilometre, and the standard will 
require carriers to have at least 100MHz of free spectrum, scaling 
up to 1GHz where feasible.

https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/02/5g-imt-2020-specs/
/*Gino Villarini*/
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968






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Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward

2017-02-27 Thread Dave


A whole room microwave Awesome!
How would you like your executives fried hard or runny LOL
I am just trying to show the lighter side :)

It would be excellent for a single room media center for everyone to 
fight over who gets to control the tv.

Or a long hallway to link end to end



On 02/27/2017 04:12 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

I thought you guys would enjoy this.  :-)

I'm personally excited about this technology advancing.  We will find 
ways and places to use it.  One nice thing about 60GHz is that it does 
not escape the building.  It isn't good for room to room either.


It is good for hundreds of meters of LOS connectivity though.  I'm 
sure we can use it somewhere...


Also expect to see devices this year with 11ad built-in. TBD on the 
ramp-up but every device that can connect to 60GHz means 5GHz is 
offloaded!


-Hal

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:54 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Because 802.11ad has been such a resounding success and customers
demanded more!

When they suggest wireless displays as an application, I think
wouldn’t it be nice if satellite and cable TV companies used 60
GHz instead of 5 GHz for their wireless receivers, but I assume 60
GHz isn’t great for room-to-room?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:54 AM
*To:* af >
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward


http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/spec-for-ieee-802-11ay-is-in-development-stages-wifi-going-176-gbs.html

;-)

-- 


Harold Bledsoe



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[AFMUG] Mikrotik quick view for unknown subnets

If, for example a customer has a router connected backward, is there an
arp(ish) check aside from packet sniffing to see this since its not a
subnet on the interface and there wont be an arp entry?



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward

I wonder what it does outdoors with precipitation?

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward

I thought you guys would enjoy this.  :-) 

I'm personally excited about this technology advancing.  We will find ways and 
places to use it.  One nice thing about 60GHz is that it does not escape the 
building.  It isn't good for room to room either.

It is good for hundreds of meters of LOS connectivity though.  I'm sure we can 
use it somewhere...

Also expect to see devices this year with 11ad built-in.  TBD on the ramp-up 
but every device that can connect to 60GHz means 5GHz is offloaded!

-Hal

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:54 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Because 802.11ad has been such a resounding success and customers demanded 
more!

  When they suggest wireless displays as an application, I think wouldn’t it be 
nice if satellite and cable TV companies used 60 GHz instead of 5 GHz for their 
wireless receivers, but I assume 60 GHz isn’t great for room-to-room?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
  Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:54 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/spec-for-ieee-802-11ay-is-in-development-stages-wifi-going-176-gbs.html

  ;-)

  -- 

  Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,

2017-02-27 Thread Mark Radabaugh

everyone should have publicly accessible light bulbs.  Makes it easier to watch 
things with the publicly accessible cameras in every device in your house.

Mark 

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 1 million connected devices per square kilometer.  Because … Internet of 
> Things.
>  
> In my area, those 2 houses can have a lot of Internet enabled light bulbs and 
> toasters.
>  
> OK, they’re probably talking about urban public spaces.  But do people take 
> their light bulbs and toasters with them?
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,
>  
> So where feasible 1bit/hz is good?
>  
> On Feb 27, 2017 2:38 AM, "Gino Villarini"  > wrote:
>> So here it is:
>>  
>> The total download capacity for a single 5G cell must be at least 20Gbps, 
>> the International Telcommunication Union (ITU) has decided. In contrast, the 
>> peak data rate for current LTE cells is about 1Gbps. The incoming 5G 
>> standard must also support up to 1 million connected devices per square 
>> kilometre, and the standard will require carriers to have at least 100MHz of 
>> free spectrum, scaling up to 1GHz where feasible.
>>  
>> https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/02/5g-imt-2020-specs/ 
>> 
>>  
>> Gino Villarini
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,

1 million connected devices per square kilometer.  Because … Internet of Things.

 

In my area, those 2 houses can have a lot of Internet enabled light bulbs and 
toasters.

 

OK, they’re probably talking about urban public spaces.  But do people take 
their light bulbs and toasters with them?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,

 

So where feasible 1bit/hz is good?

 

On Feb 27, 2017 2:38 AM, "Gino Villarini"  > wrote:

So here it is:

 

The total download capacity for a single 5G cell must be at least 20Gbps, the 
International Telcommunication Union (ITU) has decided. In contrast, the peak 
data rate for current LTE cells is about 1Gbps. The incoming 5G standard must 
also support up to 1 million connected devices per square kilometre, and the 
standard will require carriers to have at least 100MHz of free spectrum, 
scaling up to 1GHz where feasible.

 

https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/02/5g-imt-2020-specs/


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] ITU defines 5G,

So where feasible 1bit/hz is good?

On Feb 27, 2017 2:38 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> So here it is:
>
> The total download capacity for a single 5G cell must be at least 20Gbps,
> the International Telcommunication Union (ITU) has decided. In contrast,
> the peak data rate for current LTE cells is about 1Gbps. The incoming 5G
> standard must also support up to 1 million connected devices per square
> kilometre, and the standard will require carriers to have at least 100MHz
> of free spectrum, scaling up to 1GHz where feasible.
>
> https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/
> 02/5g-imt-2020-specs/
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction

2017-02-27 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Nate, 
For testing purposes

Considering using the Traffic Generator vs the BW Test tool. (look at the MT 
wiki for instructions).
With CCR1009, pay attention to which ports you are connecting to.. due to the 
switch chip in there, not all ports have 1g connection to the CPU.

Avoid, bridge ports, change the default interface queue to ethernet-defaut
you can also get more information out of the AF24, by connecting to them via 
ssh/telnet and issuing emacstat command..

I am not sure about the Edgepoint or 16SG, if they provide enhanced ethernet 
stats. (We like the netonix cause they show a lot more details of ethernet 
stats, the MT will also do that when you look at the ethernet stats via CLI)

All of these should be able to help you find the issue.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:08:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction

> Flow control is disabled in both the Edgepoint and the 16SG.  I found a
> CCR1009 with an SFP+ Port I can put on the 16XG to test to the X86 10G
> card.  Other than the Tik on the other end of the AF24 link, I don't
> have any other Tik's directly connected to this setup.
> 
> On 2/26/2017 10:10 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>> Flow Control??
>>
>>
>> On 02/26/2017 06:31 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> I have a setup which I just Installed, and I'm trying to track down
>>> no speed in 1 direction on the link, Not having much luck so far, so
>>> I thought I'd ask.  The AF24 is reporting full modulation.  I can't
>>> even maintain a winbox connection to the router.
>>>
>>> RB1100X2 -> Copper to AF24
>>> AF24 -> Copper to Edgepoint S16 -> 10G fiber to Edgeswitch 16XG ->
>>> 10G fiber to X86 Mikrotik with Dell KJYD8 Broadcom 10G card.
>>>
>>> The Mikrotik to AF24 path is on the default Vlan1 on the 16XG and
>>> Edgepoint S16.
>>>
>>> Bandwidth Test results:
>>> TCP BW test at 500mb+ from the RB1100X2 (cpu limit) to the X86
>>> ~2mb from the X86 to the RB1100X2.
>>>
>>> UDP BW Test at 700MB from the RB1100X2 to the X86
>>> X86 is transmitting 700mb, but the RB1100 is only receiving ~400mb
>>>
>>> MTU on everything is set to 1518.
>>>
>>>
>>> Open to any ideas of what to try.
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Lugs

2017-02-27 Thread Dave

When it come to gear in the rack a single lug on most 1u/2u gear is ok
for grounding inside the cabinet.

On 02/26/2017 02:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

1/4-20 and 5/8 spacing works for me, I don’t think you can satisfy
everyone. I would even be OK with a single ground screw, but some
people will make a reasonable case that a 2-hole lug is better, and
you can still use a single hole lug if that’s all you have.

The ground bars in shelters and at towers are typically going to have
dual 3/8 screws and wires will be #2 or heavier, but that is overkill
for what you are doing.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Lugs

Forrest,

Use the motorola R56 standards for a base for all your grounding.

There are a few layered standards for grounding but motorola is on top
of these other standards for telcom gear.

I have always tried to be a good steward of these standards when using
existing sites but the Broadcaster towers built pre 1990

are a big challenge.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=2=rja=8=0ahUKEwj589iAiq7SAhWK5oMKHeHwCwUQFgggMAE=https%3A%2F%2Fsites.auburn.edu%2Fadmin%2Ffacilities%2Fspw-bid-calendar%2F11-150%2520AU%2520Regional%2520Airport-Construct%2520a%2520Self-Supporting%2520Radio%2520Tower%2FProject%2520Documents%2F1%2FMotorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf=AFQjCNHlYoTBfjY-zLOUUebdvd3RLH_Cwg=gZT9-oejY-fxgK2TrdRnWQ

There are 518 pages of stuff but do a search for Rack and Rack
equipment grounding and you should find what you need.

Dave

On 2/25/2017 10:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

So, I've now had two people ask me to include a ground strap point
on the back of the new rack injectors. So I figured, I'd just go
figure out what the standard was for the hole spacing, screw
diameter, and similar, and add it to the list of things which will
be modified slightly in a future batch of enclosures - shouldn't
be much more expensive to get them to mask off a small section
when painting and add the appropriate screw bosses

Simple, right?

Well, that was until I tried to find the standard.

In a juniper manual I discovered they have two sets of bosses
one with 1/4-20 screws, one with M6 Screws... the 1/4-20 screws
are for the US market and the M6 ones are for the European market.
Ok, I get that... Metric vs US. But then the spacing is 0.625
(5/8) inches for *both* of them - not say for instance 0.625in and
15 or 16mm which would make sense. So I figured I'd look
around more...

Then I go over to the cisco manual. They use M4x8 screws on most
stuff, sometimes something different. Spacing seems to be around
1" (freakin metric screw and english spacing).

After 2-3 more vendors of total inconsistency, a word comes to
mind: Cobblefuckery. Pure Cobblefuckery. WTF? I thought this
was for grounding in a Telco environment, and shouldn't this be
specified out the wazoo by telcordia, with all of the vendors
falling over backwards to make their equipment NEBS compliant with
exactly the right hole spacing for grounding? Maybe two competing
standards for English vs Metric, but not as it seemed, everyone
making up their own crap. Although the 5/8" spacing and 1/4" or
M6 screws seemed to be slightly more common than all of the other
pure randomness I was finding.

So the NEBS thought lead me down the rathole of telecom
standards. Eventually I find ANSI/TIA-607-B - it looks like the
5/8" spacing and the 1" spacing are both specified in
ANSI/TIA-607-B for grounding busbars. The hole diameter for the
5/8 spacing holes is specified as 5/16" on the busbars, which
seems to be a good match for a 1/4-20 screw. So it seems like the
juniper spec of 1/4-20 on 5/16 spacing would match a lug designed
for a ANSI/TIA-607-B compliant busbar. The M6 would be fine too
- just a bit smaller... The spec also lists 8mm holes on 16mm
spacing as a option for the exact same holes which I guess would
be close enough since we're really only talking about a millimeter
or so here - probably a bit more or less slop, but still close
enough to work.

But what about that cisco spec of 1" spacing with a M4 screw?
I'm still not sure WTF they were thinking. ANSI/TIA-607 specs a

11mm diameter hole at 1" spacing. A M4 screw isn't going to work
well in a 11mm hole.Cisco... go figure.

At this point, my intent is to see about including two 1/4"-20
screw holes spaced at 7/16" and appropriate bare metal in a future
revision of the rackinjectors. Does anyone have any reason why
this isn't the right spacing and hole diameters? Or maybe even
some validation that I got this right?

*Forrest Christian*/CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel:

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction

2017-02-27 Thread Nate Burke

Flow control is disabled in both the Edgepoint and the 16SG.  I found a 
CCR1009 with an SFP+ Port I can put on the 16XG to test to the X86 10G 
card.  Other than the Tik on the other end of the AF24 link, I don't 
have any other Tik's directly connected to this setup.


On 2/26/2017 10:10 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:

Flow Control??


On 02/26/2017 06:31 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I have a setup which I just Installed, and I'm trying to track down 
no speed in 1 direction on the link, Not having much luck so far, so 
I thought I'd ask.  The AF24 is reporting full modulation.  I can't 
even maintain a winbox connection to the router.


RB1100X2 -> Copper to AF24
AF24 -> Copper to Edgepoint S16 -> 10G fiber to Edgeswitch 16XG -> 
10G fiber to X86 Mikrotik with Dell KJYD8 Broadcom 10G card.


The Mikrotik to AF24 path is on the default Vlan1 on the 16XG and 
Edgepoint S16.


Bandwidth Test results:
TCP BW test at 500mb+ from the RB1100X2 (cpu limit) to the X86
~2mb from the X86 to the RB1100X2.

UDP BW Test at 700MB from the RB1100X2 to the X86
X86 is transmitting 700mb, but the RB1100 is only receiving ~400mb

MTU on everything is set to 1518.


Open to any ideas of what to try.

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz