Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

[Mathew Howard via Af]

+1 to that.

Paul has clearly been putting a lot of time into getting this working and I 
appreciate it, it isn't going to hurt any of us to have to put up with a few 
annoyances for awhile while they get things sorted out.

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Nate Burke via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:20 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

I just wanted to say a Thank you to Paul and his Tech(s) for the work
they've done for the list over the last couple days.  I'm willing to
take a deep breath while they work on the tweaks and get it sorted out.
In a few days we'll be back to our normal banter.

All of us have experienced the trade off of 'Do you answer the phone, or
keep working on the problem'.  It seems that's what Paul is doing.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

[Mathew Howard via Af]

If their only complaint is that there's no bendy straw, I consider that a good 
day! :-P

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:38 AM
To: Nate Burke; Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

But we should all be immune to this by now, it's a day in the life of a
WISP.  Doesn't every day leave you feeling like you brought people a cool
drink in the middle of the desert for less than it cost you, and their
response is "what, no bendy straw?"

Plus there's the sidewalk supervisor effect.  It's human nature to watch and
critique the efforts of the guy who actually stepped up and offered to do
something.  Plus thanks to the Internet, you can be a sidewalk supervisor
without even having to go outside and stand on the sidewalk.

So Paul, where's my bendy straw!!!


-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:20 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Thanks to Paul and his Tech

I just wanted to say a Thank you to Paul and his Tech(s) for the work
they've done for the list over the last couple days.  I'm willing to
take a deep breath while they work on the tweaks and get it sorted out.
In a few days we'll be back to our normal banter.

All of us have experienced the trade off of 'Do you answer the phone, or
keep working on the problem'.  It seems that's what Paul is doing.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I think you just failed the test :-P

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ty Featherling via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

Don't tell me what to do.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:

>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I don't like fried pickles.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of James Howard via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE

It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able 
to stay on topic.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


m. fried pickles.

- Original Message -
From: Jay Weekley via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE


I like pickles. Does anyone else?

Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
> Test messages here never get ignored. Expect at least 4 replies saying
> whether you passed or failed and possibly a hijack that turns the test
> thread into some other conversation.
> (maybe this one is the hijack)
>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800 office
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>> www.pdmnet.com
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 100 beefy

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Is there a 2.4ghz version yet? last I heard, these only came in 5ghz.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 100 beefy

Is that 2.4 or 5GHz? A couple weeks ago someone asked why the 2.4 AP
sector is slant and the integrated SMs are H/V. Cambium responded with
an explanation, something about the SM detecting phases and doing its thing.

Definitely looks like a Laird/Pac feed design. That has to be a pain to
weather seal.

When they get these things to sync with Canopy and get the PTP latency
down, then I'll buy some.

On 9/17/2014 9:22 AM, Greg Osborn via Af wrote:
>We received our first shipment of ePMP Force 100's yesterday.  Pretty
> beefy at 10 lbs.  Quite a curious angle on the feed horn N-type connections.
> It would lead you to believe the antenna system is dual slant.  All the
> specs say H&V.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Mathew Howard via Af]

 or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there and not 
lose the 6db.

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Adam Moffett 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.  Not the 
same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.

If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter what.  
The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 in the same 
unit.  Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they even make that in 5.4?  So you 
put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing subscribers, then switch it 
back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back.  The ones that might not work with 
the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last.

This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.



--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---


You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and my 
430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but 
honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini outages 
to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.

I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate 
things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will probably upgrade the 
old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list.

The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements 
into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their 
people and write their software and have it work the same across the product 
line.  But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP.

If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it will 
be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.  I am going to 
be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into PMP100, 
that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 ways to 
upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 
1-day forklift of all the subs?  A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy 
(except on the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found 
you don’t even have to realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish with 
a Force100 will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that much.  The worst 
would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same time and 
literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you get an installer 
with a new radio out to them.


From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

--- [ That One Guy 
 wrote ]:
---


I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your cards 
close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium (sales 
staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its demise.

We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts. We 
can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.

Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer, but 
it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife, you know 
what shes doing, you know whats going to happen when you have evidence, but 
until you hear it from her mouth, you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing 
the lawn. Cambium, can we stop painting and let the grass grow?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
--- [ Aaron Schneider 
mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote ]:
---
Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to an 
empty message...

Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been the 
ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from releasing FSK 
version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was 13.1.   
I don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of future FSK 
releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and 
will see then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with the couple of 
minor (meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items such as missing the 
None frequency.

George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas.  Imagine the 
discussions you can have once you get some libations in you and go on tilt at 
the blackjack table. :)

-Aaron




-Original Message-
From: Af 
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider

Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I've seen the same... on 900mhz and 2.4ghz, anytime you're shooting through 
trees, the wind can have at least some effect, but on LOS? No well, I guess 
maybe if you have, say, a couple of 3' dishes on a Rohn 25 :-P

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of CBB - Jay 
Fuller via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind?


I think i've seen that impact 900 mhz signals ; more wind blowing around, 
needles blowing everywhere, affecting signal swings by 5-6-even 10 db...

- Original Message -
From: Josh Reynolds via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is it the wind?

Blowing their dish around?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/22/2014 11:31 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
Why do some customers ask if it's caused by "the wind" if they're having a 
problem.� Do they picture the wind blowing microwaves out of the sky?

It was asked today by somebody I thought would know better.

"It's windy today.� Do you think it's the wind?� I'm pretty sure it 
happened once before and I think there was wind on that day too.� It must be 
the wind."

Re: [AFMUG] zen thought of the day

[Mathew Howard via Af]

But that's pretty much just as good anyhow, isn't it?

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Rory Conaway 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] zen thought of the day

No but you might blow up the universe as we know it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric 
Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] zen thought of the day

If you plug a power over ethernet injector into an ethernet-over-powerlines 
adapter, do you get infinite energy?

Re: [AFMUG] Test

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Do we have to ignore this one?


From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Gabriel Pike 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Test

Test

Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

[Mathew Howard via Af]

The ptp-lites do have airmax offloading? I thought they didn't...

We've had a link running for awhile, but it's got some noise issues, so it 
hasn't really been the best place to test these... that said, they've been 
running fine without any real problems that I've noticed.


From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

ptp lites are missing the internal shielding (i think?) as well as airprism tech

they do have airmax offloading, but it's also a brand new product line... some 
bugs are showing in the software

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 06:48 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
These are basically beta release hardware? its missing some guts?

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don’t have one but from what I’m reading, it’s not quite ready for primetime. 
 I’m waiting.

Rory

From: Af 
[mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

How are the rocket AC's performing for you guys? Throughput? Bugs?



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That sounds similar to an issue I saw on an RB2011 after I upgraded it to, I 
think, 6.18. In my case, downgrading to what it had before (I don't remember 
the specific version off hand), didn't completely fix the problem... it was a 
couple months ago so I don't remember specifically what it did after I 
downgraded. I had to reset the router to defaults and re-configure it to get it 
working again, after which it ran perfectly fine with 6.18.


From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Rory Conaway 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

Sorry, I’d have to get my network admin in on this to be more specific.  We 
didn’t have BGP on our routers.  I can only tell you the symptoms that I was 
aware of.  CPU utilization went to the roof, remote access was really, really 
slow, and users had high-latency or were dropping connections and this usually 
occurred within 24-48 hours.  I know we didn’t do a lot of trouble-shooting, 
just went back to 6.15 since that was stable on everything else we had.  We 
didn’t mess around with it much.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

I’m a bit confused.  What symptoms did you see with your routers?  What I got 
from Chris’ description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.  
Replacing the CCR didn’t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.  
Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash?

I’m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you 
that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, 
not sure when we updated it) recently.  I would suspect that he’s having an 
issue with BGP on the CCR.  In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE 
and OSPF on it.  It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router 
(PowerRouter V3 in our case).  I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 
minutes and everything worked happily.  When I started it back up, everything 
was fine until it randomly happened again.  We then shut down the BGP link 
between the PowerRouter and the CCR.  The CCR does not seem to be able to 
handle more than one BGP table if it’s doing anything else.  Another CCR seems 
to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.  It’s not doing any 
other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 
750’s to 1100’s.  Went back to 6.15 and haven’t had a problem in 3 weeks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Chris Wright via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, 
Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and 
what kind of throughput?

Chris Wright
Velociter Wireless

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.  We 
saw similar problems with 6.19.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple 
minutes and then restart it?

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
Wright via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19

After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the 
plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets 
all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to 
authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All’s fine and 
dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. 
Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. 
Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn’t kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network 
degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unres

Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

[Mathew Howard via Af]

The UBNT routers only have two cores don't they? I would assume BGP being 
multi-threaded would be much less of an issue since the individual cores are 
(I'm assuming) a lot faster than on the CCR.



From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE

Since when are tilera cores the same as cavium cores?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/25/2014 09:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
If that�s the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same 
processors will have that same limitation?
�
Rory
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 
product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a 
major factor in our designs for our customers.
�
Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � 
www.linktechs.net
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I 
got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to 
bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the 
Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash?
�
I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell 
you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly 
older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s 
having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP 
tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge 
router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for 
about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, 
everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the 
BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be 
able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� 
Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� 
It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an 
x86 replacement.
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 
750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 
weeks.
�
Rory
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Chris Wright via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, 
Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and 
what kind of throughput?
�
Chris Wright
Velociter Wireless
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory 
Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.� 
We saw similar problems with 6.19.
�
Rory
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
James Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple 
minutes and then restart it?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
Wright via Af
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
�
CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19
�
After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the 
plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets 
all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to 
authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All�

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force100 Assembly Video

[Mathew Howard via Af]

The biggest issue I have seen so far, is the screws that hold the reflector on 
the end of the feedhorn seem to come out rather easily (they're just six small 
screws threaded into plastic). 

Assembly is somewhat of a pain, but I can deal with that by just putting them 
together at the office before they need to be used... but when you put it 
together and drag it to the top of a grain leg only to find that it's unusable 
because parts are about to fall off, that's a bit of a problem.

That said, from what limited testing I've done so far, they do seem to work 
quite well once you get them in place.


From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt Jenkins 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Force100 Assembly Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qCE44yo_PQ

Took him 13 minutes to put it together. Yes, there was a bit of time for
commentary, but not of unboxing.

Lets see a video of someone from cambium start with a boxed up unit and
and assembly this outside in freezing rain.

1. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to assemble anything by
installers.

2. There should be no parts than can't be worked with while wearing
waterproof gloves.

3. All nuts should be accessible with a socket. If a deep socket is
required, like for a U-Bolt, then there should be plenty of room to get
the socket on and off said nut.

4. All parts should be keyed in a manner to prevent them being installed
sideways or upside down.

5. There should be nothing that cannot get wet. If things like
N-connectors can get wet, they should come with rubber caps to prevent
that until the unit is assembled and an umbrella/cover can be used to
prevent rain/snow from getting on the connectors.

6. Many other smaller issues with this Maybe someone else can add
what they see.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I don't believe that's the case anymore... with firmware 2.2, ePMP is letting 
me set it up to 30dBm EIRP, which is the max that anything is allowed in the 
DFS bands.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???

epmp has alot lower powet in dfs than 450

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>
> How they managed to do it in the Epmp and PTP650 while not in the PMP450
> baffles meŠ.
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/2/14, 11:25 AM, "Matt via Af"  wrote:
>
>>> I believe a second HW model is planned for 4.9 ­ 5.3, different
>>> filtering.
>>
>> Just what we needed, another part number to find room for in the
>> service vehicles.  Too bad they could not have done this on same
>> hardware.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: Gino Villarini via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 4:23 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 5.1 - 5.3 ???
>>>
>>> Are there any plans for this? Is the HW capable?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Fortunately, if there was any snow here it was gone by the time I got up this 
morning... not that 35 degrees and raining is any better.
I think I'll just go into hibernation until spring.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] snow

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

[Mathew Howard via Af]

done. I want a cookie.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info


done.

- Original Message -
From: Paul McCall via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

Did it

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries 
surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using 
this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product 
that you need to deliver service to your customers.  The survey is just over 20 
questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6

Please help us help you!

Any information we gather will help us to make sure we’re developing the right 
product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or 
solicitation purposes.  It’s optional to fill in the contact info at the end, 
but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the 
responses could help even more.

The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon.

Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey.

Thanks,

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com
O: 847-439-6379
M: 630-308-9394
E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
[CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName]

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

[Mathew Howard via Af]

No doubt a TOW missile would be effective, but I think that sort of thing is 
frowned upon.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Adam Moffett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info


I think a TOW missile would fit that description.
If you make a product that renders smart meters inoperative I will pay whatever 
you want!

Steve B.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info

As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries 
surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using 
this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product 
that you need to deliver service to your customers.  The survey is just over 20 
questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6

Please help us help you!

Any information we gather will help us to make sure we’re developing the right 
product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or 
solicitation purposes.  It’s optional to fill in the contact info at the end, 
but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the 
responses could help even more.

The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon.

Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey.

Thanks,

Matt Mangriotis
Senior Product Manager
Cambium Networks
3800 Golf Road, Suite 360
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com
O: 847-439-6379
M: 630-308-9394
E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com
[CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName]

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Mathew Howard via Af]

+1 to that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can toggle 
between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe two 
models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).

Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make that 
maybe 3 models.

This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control over 
each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's pretty 
much it.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete 
just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot 
of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website recently 
- I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I have to admit there is something satisfying about getting this many 
complaints and being able to blame it on somebody else.

We did get a call from one guy that said he was going to have to find a 
different provider if we couldn't fix it... yeah, that should work well for him.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

Im so looking forward to these calls

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Someone suggested it's the auto firmware that rolled out today?

The twitter-verse has a lot of fun posts about it. Oh and:

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2ik43h/belkin_firmware_update_1072014_crashing_many/

Someone else said that replacing the DNS settings on the internal machine to 
not use the ones handed out by the Belkin fixed their issue.

-c


On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

> 13 customers so far today - all Belkin.
>
> Powned?
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote:
>> Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect 
>> to the internet through their Belkin routers this
>> morning?
>>   What's the deal with that?,
>>   Darren
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
>
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 
> 1021
>




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know 
I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't 
really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it 
doesn't seem worth it.

I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can 
ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for 
those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP?

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that 
point forward everytime a customer has any issue. "just do that brokeback loop 
thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this 
service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop"

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one
of the internal router  appears to fix the problem.

Thanks,
Tushar Patel
512-257-1077
www.westernbroadband.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of David via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We are seeing this also..
Belkin domain is down
Also be aware that the belkins use 
heartbeat.belkin.com to check to see
if there is internet access and if the answer
comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet.
Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware
which do bad things to the wan side of things.

I am currently trying to spoof 
heartbeat.belkin.com to our internal dns
to fool the router into thinking everything is ok.


On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
> 13 customers so far today - all Belkin.
>
> Powned?
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote:
>> Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't
>> connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this
>> morning?
>>What's the deal with that?,
>>Darren
>>
>>
>>
>
>




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] managing radios in an ospf network with a failed link

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That's what I always do too, I almost never use the internal speedtest on 
backhaul radios. I do like having the ability to directly access the radio if 
the ethernet port were to die on the router on the far side or something like 
that, which is a problem if the management IP is only accessible from the 
router on the far side... of course, I guess you could always just setup that 
IP on the router at the other end if you needed to.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managing radios in an ospf network with a failed link

When we speedtest a link, we generally go router<->router via their private 
router IDs.
Leave the privates of the backhauls out of the equation (let them be 
transparent).


bp

On 10/7/2014 8:38 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
good deal, so im not going to monkey things up?

if it is ospf, even with /30 on each end, the radios should be able to 
communicate, only via their ethernet ports through the routers if you were 
going to run speedtest?

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bill Prince via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
If the backhaul is in a chain, we generally put their management IPs in a /30 
from the local router.  So there is a separate /30 at each end of the link.

If the backhaul is in a cul-de-sac, we might put them in a /29 from the 
near-end (the end closest to the backbone).  However, we mostly do the /30, as 
it is an easy way to prevent the management IPs becoming part of a public route.

bp

On 10/6/2014 7:44 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
This came up before, but I cant find the thread. is the attached configuration 
the correct way to set up access to the radios?
I had initially thought having the radios in the same subnet is how it is 
supposed to be, primarily because thats how it always was, but with having the 
radios in a /30 on each side of the link you would be able to access the local 
side radio if the link were to drop.

Is this the correct way of looking at this or is there a better method of 
maintaining access in a dynamic environment??

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mathew Howard via Af]

odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the 
issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be 
rebooted after it came back up before they work.

As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be 
much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We did  “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the 
destination address of 67.20.176.130,  with protocol and the number of source 
address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was 
very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. 
So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement 
loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers 
what we did to fix it.

How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the 
that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially 
responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy.

As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able 
to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem.

Thanks,
Tushar Patel
512-257-1077
www.westernbroadband.com<http://www.westernbroadband.com/>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know 
I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't 
really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it 
doesn't seem worth it.

I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can 
ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for 
those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP?

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that 
point forward everytime a customer has any issue. "just do that brokeback loop 
thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this 
service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop"

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one
of the internal router  appears to fix the problem.

Thanks,
Tushar Patel
512-257-1077
www.westernbroadband.com<http://www.westernbroadband.com>

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of David via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We are seeing this also..
Belkin domain is down
Also be aware that the belkins use 
heartbeat.belkin.com<http://heartbeat.belkin.com> to check to see
if there is internet access and if the answer
comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet.
Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware
which do bad things to the wan side of things.

I am currently trying to spoof 
heartbeat.belkin.com<http://heartbeat.belkin.com> to our internal dns
to fool the router into thinking everything is ok.


On 10/07/2014 09:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
> 13 customers so far today - all Belkin.
>
> Powned?
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote:
>> Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't
>> connect to the internet through their Belkin routers this
>> morning?
>>What's the deal with that?,
>>Darren
>>
>>
>>
>
>



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I agree, which is why I won't do stuff like that - it is a matter of 
principle... besides, I'm not the guy that has to answer the phones.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it 
further.
By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand
They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes 
fixing belkins fuckup

Now they recomend them to their friends.

So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem 
everytime

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with the 
issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to be 
rebooted after it came back up before they work.

As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be 
much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of 
Tushar Patel via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We did  “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the 
destination address of 67.20.176.130,  with protocol and the number of source 
address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access that was 
very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on the subject. 
So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us to implement 
loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell any customers 
what we did to fix it.

How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping the 
that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are essentially 
responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router happy.

As you mentioned below that you were able to ping it, earlier we were not able 
to ping that ip address, may be they have already fix the problem.

Thanks,
Tushar Patel
512-257-1077
www.westernbroadband.com<http://www.westernbroadband.com/>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

Yeah... if I were to do something like that, I wouldn't let any customers know 
I did it... but I don't like messing with the network to fix things that aren't 
really my problem anyway, it would be nice to make those calls stop, but it 
doesn't seem worth it.

I'm still a bit confused how that is making it work anyway though, since I can 
ping that IP... how does putting it on an internal router make it work? for 
those who have done it, is your router giving any HTTP response on that IP?

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
that sounds alot like doing Belkins job for them, and guarantees from that 
point forward everytime a customer has any issue. "just do that brokeback loop 
thing you did, this is your problem, fix it now, i pay good money for this 
service, i run a business, and my kids go to school and my pacemaker will stop"

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Tushar Patel via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
As somebody suggested earlier to put loopback with the 67.20.176.130, on one
of the internal router  appears to fix the problem.

Thanks,
Tushar Patel
512-257-1077
www.westernbroadband.com<http://www.westernbroadband.com>

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of David via Af
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We are seeing this also..
Belkin domain is down
Also be aware that the belkins use 
heartbeat.belkin.com<http://heartbeat.belkin.com> to check to see
if there is internet access and if the answer
comes back negative then it will not connect any lan clients to internet.
Also there are a few exploits that have been exposed on 1.00 firmware
which do bad things to the wan side of things.

I am currently trying to spoof 
heartbeat.belkin.com<http://heartbeat.belkin.com> to our internal dns
to fool the router into thinking eve

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mathew Howard via Af]

In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now that 
they're owned by Belkin, I wouldn't recommend them... actually, I wouldn't 
recommend them anymore if they were still owned by Cisco either, but that's a 
whole different thing.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We typically recommend Linksys for a home router.  Actually have had
decent luck with them plus by having mostly one brand out there its
easier to walk customers through things.  Refuse to sell routers right
now.  If it quits 30 miles away they expect a service call to go fix
it.

Started experimenting with these as a managed router.

http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n

With a crossover cable they will power up a Canopy SM.  Less cords to
get plugged in wrong.  Anyone else tried them?


> We did not implement the “loopback” fix. Nor walking customers through *HOW*
> to manually change their DNS. I’d rather my customers buy a halfway decent
> router than their $25 Belkin piece of crap on our network.
>
>
>
> When customers ask me what router I recommend, I just tell them I DON’T
> recommend Belkin or Linksys. This just adds fuel to that fire.
>
>
>
> D-link DIR-655 ftw.
>
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
>
>
>
> "We are aware of reports of an interruption to internet service when using
> some Belkin routers with several internet service providers. "
>
>
>
> Man, that burns me, they word it in such a way they still dont take
> responsibility for it, the word sever is powerful in that it indicates not
> all, as in if you are on a different ISP it might work, which is totally
> true, if its an ISP that backdoors solutions and redirects all DNS
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sam Kirsch via Af  wrote:
>
> Belkin posted up a workaround.  Not much better then the loop but at least
> its something you can direct customers to that makes it clear its not *your*
> problem: https://belkininternationalinc.statuspage.io/
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> -- Samuel Kirsch, Tech Support/Web Development/Sales
> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "That One Guy via Af" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 10/7/2014 1:04:53 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
>
> Its a matter of principle, we all know belkin is junk, today only proves it
> further.
>
> By fixing it on your end, your customers dont experience the junk first hand
>
> They sing the praises of their shit router because youre behind the scenes
> fixing belkins fuckup
>
>
>
> Now they recomend them to their friends.
>
>
>
> So yes, you are in fact training your customers to make it your problem
> everytime
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>
> odd... when I first tried pinging it, we had a customer on the phone with
> the issue (as well as a few after that). I wonder if the routers needed to
> be rebooted after it came back up before they work.
>
> As long as the customers don't know you fixed it, there shouldn't really be
> much of a worry that customers will make it your problem in the future.
>
> 
>
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Tushar Patel via Af
> [af@afmug.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:38 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts
>
> We did  “torch” (one of the Mikrotik tools), that allows me to see the
> destination address of 67.20.176.130,  with protocol and the number of
> source address accessing that. The number of source address trying to access
> that was very high. Since morning we must have taken over 20 to 25 calls on
> the subject. So from the resource stand point it was more efficient for us
> to implement loopback response then to keep taking the call. We did not tell
> any customers what we did to fix it.
>
>
>
> How it works: it appears that those Belkin routers were just trying to ping
> the that ip address, so by putting loop back on our network, we are
> essentially responding to that ip address and that make the Belkin router
> happy.
>
>
>
> As you 

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mathew Howard via Af]

When we used to actually sell routers it always seemed to be way more trouble 
than it was worth. Now we just offer managed routers as an add on service and 
give them an AirGateway (or AirRouter in some cases), and that seems to be 
working out pretty well.

If a customer leaves and doesn't return your router, it really isn't any 
different than if one gets fried by lightning or a rat eats it or whatever, you 
just have to set your prices to account for losing one here and there.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

if youre going to collections for 29 bucks thats rough, the word consumable 
makes them an expected loss. maintaining inventory isnt hard, they get a 
default config dumped into them at the time of install, when they come back 
they get the same dump file, theyre all accessible via the same internal ip, if 
theyre new theyre ubnt ubnt if not theyre the same username and password. all 
the settings that matter are already programmed, just add the mac into 
powercode, if they want wireless cut the wlan mac and name the essid. Theyre 
easy to manage.
29 bucks to not have to fuck around with a customer router is cheap. since we 
offer this, we dont have any obligation ethically or morally to help them with 
their own hunk of shit, we offer our hunk of shit.

we only actually lose maybe 1 in 25. It amazes me as much as our customers are 
degenerate mopes, if they do replace our routers or cancel service most of them 
will drive all the way to our retail shop to drop them off.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Then you have the whole process you have to go through as where you've lost an 
asset and need to report it against them for collections.

Also, your install costs go up in providing these for free, then having to 
maintain inventory of them/reset/reconfigure, etc.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/07/2014 01:49 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
apparently you did not see the word give. Do you know how much less hassle 
there is if you treat a cpe router as a consumable rather than a retail item? 
If they still have our router when they come to you theyre thieves and you dont 
want them as customers

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I’ve had the experience of picking up a customer from another WISP who had an 
airouter, in some cases they had moved out of the other WISP’s area into ours.  
The problem is you look at this little black router and no matter how you try, 
you can’t get into it, and of course the customer can’t, but they feel like 
they already paid for a router and if you can’t make their airouter work then 
you owe them a free router.

Now as someone familiar with the airouters, maybe you know how to default them 
in such a way that you can get into them and reprogram them, but otherwise it’s 
just a useless shiny black object.

When we deploy Mikrotik as a managed router we realize the customer is not 
going to be able to deal with the user interface, and won’t be able to just 
take it with them to the next place, that’s why we lease it per month and take 
it back if they leave, just like the CPE radio.  Most residential customers 
don’t want to do this, but that’s fine, they can get their Belksys router with 
a consumer oriented user interface and also the 802.11ac that everyone 
apparently just must have.  But if it dies or needs fixing, they go buy a new 
one at the store or call the onsite computer geek.


From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

We give out airrouters because we can enable remote access and disable the 
reset button, we lock down to a predefined naming system on the essid, and we 
only set the key to the mac on the label, we give no other option whatsoever.

Thoug I hate ubnt clear from my scrotum to my chin, the air router is a rock 
solid little bastard, we give the customers the option to use one of those 
instead of theirs if they are having issues (we flat refuse to troubleshoot a 
customers personal router, unless im in a good mood) 9 times out of 10 they 
never call back in to provision a new router of their own. the only reason we 
see them swapped is big houses who need more wireless coverage or morons who 
believe a 300 dollar consumer grade router is going to make world of warcraft a 
little bit more real to them in their mothers basement covered in cheesy poofs

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
In the past I wouldn't have had a problem recommending Linksys, but now 

Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish

[Mathew Howard via Af]

If I remember correctly, Menards sells 2 3/8" pipes for chain link posts that 
are fairly heavy for a decent price, that I've used in the past for big dishes.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Darin Steffl via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 5:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish

Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but 
their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but for 
these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place than 
the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
edit: 2" pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or something

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
2" pipe is fine unless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself isn't 
rated for anyway.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
Hey guys,

Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the RocketDish 
34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got some for a 
20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite heavy. What are 
your recommendations for a mount for these and any additional bracing to make 
sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2" pipe enough for the bracket on 
these?   Thanks

--
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Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Using EPMP for PTP links

[Mathew Howard via Af]

We have one PtP link up... they work fine, but expect slightly higher latency 
than you'd see with NanoBeams.

I don't really see a problem with using them for CPE, the weight really 
shouldn't be an issue for any half way decent mount.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using EPMP for PTP links

Ten miles I'd rather use something with 2' dishes, but I am using some in PtP 
mode. *shrugs* They work.

They're my preferred CPE now. A PITA to assemble, but the new design should be 
coming this winter. It won't actually weigh much less, but it does feel a lot 
less.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Alan West via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 11:29:47 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using EPMP for PTP links

Hello, anyone used the Force 100 units for PTP links yet? I have four of them 
and really do not want to use them on customers roofs (until they get a better 
(and lighter) design)

So, PTP links seems like a logical choice...I have a new link at about ten 
miles I had purchased Nanobeam 400s for, but may use these instead.

Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I would probably just match it to the rest of your system. my guess is the 
majority of them won't even notice the difference... if you've cleaned up a lot 
of self interference issues, a lot of them will likely work better than they 
did before with the all the self interference issues. You probably will get a 
few that are mad they can't get 10mbps on a speed test at 2am anymore though...

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP

I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another.

The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz channels on 
everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in the band. I changed 
that, did my best to stop the self interference, smaller channels, etc...

This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself in to.

Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have replaced by 
tying it into my network.

There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them aren't 
heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P folks have been 
limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting them.

I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching the same 
config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb.

How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the edge 
prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth.

I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or limiting 
the CPE as I've always done.

Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Plastic. I don't see that there's a big enough advantage to metal to justify 
that much of a price difference, especially if an RJ45 won't fit through.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Kade Sullivan via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microwave Backhaul Ethernet Grommets - Feedback Wanted

If it means the difference between being able to pass an RJ45 connector through 
it or not, I would say plastic all the way.

If I had to chose between 2 radio vendors with similar price/performance, that 
feature would tip me one way or the other.  I absolutely despise grommets that 
wont pass the connector.




On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Charles Wu via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Trying to figure out some Ethernet grommets and since you guys would be the 
ones directly using/installing these, thought I’d ask for input rather than 
just trying to guess what’s best for everyone – trying to decide metal vs. 
plastic

Metal

-  Cannot put Ethernet cable through (need to crimp connector AFTER 
cable has gone through)

-  Expensive ($30+ / grommet) – when we’re trying to be competitive 
against Trango/SAF/etc with an all-outdoor microwave backhaul, every dollar 
counts (especially if we’re talking up to 4 connectors)

-  Feels more *rugged*


Plastic:

-  Can put Ethernet cable through with the end on

-  Cheap ($0.50/grommet) – can throw a bunch of these in with every 
radio without increasing the price, and could send them out to customers 
without charging them if a customer needed things

-  Doesn’t *look/feel* as industrial / rugged as the metal grommet

All suggestions / comments / thoughts are welcome

Plastic


[cid:image005.jpg@01CFE4A3.936F49A0]

Metal

[cid:image006.jpg@01CFE4A3.936F49A0]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I would say it's something even without being able to do any of that... even if 
all they can do with it is heat water to a sufficient temperature to heat a 
house, that is still a huge achievement.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe

I'm cautiously optimistic. If they can figure out a way to get the ignition 
energy requirements down, and the production up to the point where you can heat 
water sufficiently for turbines, you just might have something

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Soylent Green Energy
They could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is functional, efficient, 
safe. It doesnt matter, the sheeple will never allow it, they will always 
assume its "deadly" like fission reactors. What we need is an energy source 
that somehow uses sheeple for fuel, that is a totally renewable, never ending 
fuel supply.

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
The Physics community didn't welcome Einstein's ideas with open arms either.  
He was basically a heretic for upsetting the Newtonian Physics apple cart ;-)

Once they had proof from the solar eclipse photos that gravity can bend light 
suddenly everyone jumped on the Relativity band wagon.


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Rory Conaway via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
The physics world still isn’t buying it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe

So Chuck, instead of Animal Farm this year can we all come hang out in your 
secret laboratory and build one of these together?!?!

This is earth shattering, and life changing if it's true...energy is the root 
of all mankind's problems.

2 cents

-sean


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline





--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I knew that... from experience... I may have had some odd hobbies as a child :-P

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Christopher Tyler via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe

For the record, 9v batteries REALLY do have 6 cells in them. They are LR61 
cells.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Kade Sullivan via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:26:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe

That kid taught me how to get tons of AA batteries super cheap.  Just buy
the big batteries and cut them open.  Tons of AAs just come POURING out!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  What the heck is a cow magnate?
>
> This whole discussion reminds me of the Youtube nerd that shows people how
> to make their internet faster by wrapping the ethernet cable around a
> pencil or something...
>
> bp
>
> On 10/13/2014 7:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>
>  I agree, when it shows up in a major journal things may look a bit more
> legit.  The whole field has a taint so that may be one reason we have not
> seen peer reviewed publications.
>
> But this is one that keeps coming back again and again.  Powdered nickel,
> treated with special sauce, gives off extra heat when heated.
>
> I find the isotope changes listed in the white paper the most interesting
> features.  Something is going on.
>
> I would love to insert some nickel filled ceramic rods into my furnace and
> cut my gas bill by a third.  Better than cow magnets on your fuel line...
>
>  *From:* Chuck Bartosch via Af 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
>
>  Having formerly been in the field I'm more than skeptical. Of course,
> experience can be the bane of innovation. Still, 1.5 MW isn't a low power,
> low yield, hard to verify production. Whatever the source of the result,
> it's not an artifact (ie, it's presumably either real or its fraud).
>
> The past well-known announcements of cold fusion, as you know, have been
> either fraudulent or badly done science (as in, the effects were artifacts
> of poor design, not cold fusion).
>
> What makes me most skeptical is this isn't appearing in a reputable
> science journal, like Physical Review Letters (something like this surely
> qualify for publication in a high impact journal like PRL). Or...did I miss
> something? (Not impossible by any means).
>
> Chuck
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Kade Sullivan via Af  wrote:
>
>   You cant get people to buy something without proof it's legit.  Of
> course they need a third party to validate.  They would need a bunch of
> cash to make a big enough reactor for it to actually be useful.
>
> You can't just *do* things. It takes time/resources/money, and those dont
> come along with out validation.
>
> Not that I'm arguing the point that it's legit or not, as I have no
> knowledge of the subject.  I'd have to have it independently verified to
> offer my opinion :D
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Chuck Bartosch via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  ...and for years it's been BS. Can you imagine how rich these guys
>> would already be if it were real? If it were true, you really wouldn't need
>> a third party to validate. Just do it and be insanely wealthy.
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>
>>Been following this for years.  This is the best paper yet.
>>
>>  *From:* Kade Sullivan via Af 
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 7:44 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
>>
>>  1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days?  Am I
>> reading that right?
>>
>> Holy shit!
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I've got a couple of the ARC 5ghz omnis up... no problems with them, so far.

I do have a couple of the 2.4ghz omnis sitting on the shelf too, quality seems 
quite good.

I've used a few different brands of dual polarity omnis, and the only ones I've 
ever had any issues with were UBNT - that being the cap coming off one and it 
filling up with water, and another one getting blown to bits by lightning, but 
I can't really blame UBNT for that...



From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dual polarity omni

The tower that got taken out by the straight line wind was built with sectors 
expecting a decent load.

It has around 25 folks on it, most of them 1Mb customers. Not exactly a return 
on my investment.

I'm replacing 802.11g sectors with an 802.11n AP w/omni. Might regret it, but 
it is what I'm doing this week.

Anyone use the ARC dual polarity omni? How do they hold up against the UBNT 
omni?

I've had decent luck with the 10dBi UBNT, but the ARC is cheaper and advertised 
to be made in the US.

Thanks
Glen

Re: [AFMUG] Today's Job site

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I'm jealous... you're always at all these neat places while the rest of us are 
standing around in mud and rotten corn getting rained on.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:51 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Today's Job site


Headed up to replace control PC for 2 way repeater.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

[Mathew Howard via Af]

200mbps should be do-able pretty easily, we have one doing 195mbps/65mbps at 
4.6 miles using 40mhz and a 10mhz DFS channel (so low power).

According to the AirFiber5's handy built-in link calculator, it should be able 
to do 307Mbps in a 40mhz channel (or two 40mhz channels for full duplex) at 6.6 
miles.



From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:57 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a 
back up link using a 5 GHz solution,
They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the 
AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles.  Thanks

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

[Mathew Howard via Af]

23Ghz is licensed and higher power than 24Ghz... I still wouldn't want to do 
that around here, but it's probably fine in Jaime's part of the world.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Darin Steffl via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

24 GHz is kind of far for 6.64 miles. Can you do 18 or 11ghz or airfiber5 would 
work.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Ty Featherling via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a 
back up link using a 5 GHz solution,
They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the 
AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles.  Thanks

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390




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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

[Mathew Howard via Af]

ah, I was wondering why 23ghz, that makes sense if they already have the 
license. If you wanted to do even lower cost for a backup, 200mbps should be 
do-able over some of the new AC stuff too, like the RocketM5 AC PtP lite.

It shouldn't be hard to get that sort of speed through 5ghz as long as the 
spectrum is clean.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:18 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber 5

They have licenses for 23 GHz...very old gear in service with issues.   They 
contacted Cambium and Cambium contacted us to assist with project.   I know 
rain fade is affecting the link thus my recommendation for a back up frequency 
that is low cost.  nothing firmed up yet.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Darin Steffl via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
24 GHz is kind of far for 6.64 miles. Can you do 18 or 11ghz or airfiber5 would 
work.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Ty Featherling via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
At 14 miles with some noise I am seeing 250/220 with two 40mhz channels.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Putting together a quote for a Cambium 23 GHz 6.64 mile link and considering a 
back up link using a 5 GHz solution,
They need over 200MBps so was wondering if you guys that have deployed the 
AirFiber 5 are getting good speeds at over 6 miles.  Thanks

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390




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Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I would argue that higher gain is more important if you are using DFS 
frequencies...

I can definitely see situations where these would make sense though, but I 
think the ones in the 30-60 degree range are probably more interesting than the 
90.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rory Conaway via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

I think the key thing here is the f/b ratio and the pattern.   10dB is fine if 
you are using DFS frequencies anyway.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

The pattern is not like a normal sector it opens wider at elevation.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:28
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

I thinkt he innovative thing here is the waveguide adapter between the radios 
ant the horns/dishes,

90deg sector has 10db gain.. Way too low I think



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

The simper Sectors  http://simper.rfelements.com/
Not clear if the dish is a horn/reflector combination?


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Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg
Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:15
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

Which product are we talking about?  The one that looks like a dish has a patch 
array inside the cover.

From:Ty Featherling via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

So you're saying this is more marketing than innovation?

-Ty

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Angle is pretty much solely dependent upon gain.  So a typical horn is about as 
good as the best patch array or a smaller parabolic reflector.  But they are 
worse than both in the mechanical sense.

The higher the frequency the more practical horns become.

From:Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.
A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good
as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas
should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible
to make a more dense deployment.
What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Mathew Howard via Af]

True, in that case, higher gain really isn't necessary, so that would be a good 
application for these.

But in 5.8ghz, you can somewhat compensate for the lower gain with higher Tx 
power at the CPE... that isn't an option with DFS, which is my reasoning for 
higher gain being more important there.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rory Conaway via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

Depends on the application.  If you are in an urban area and your customers are 
within a mile, there will be little difference.  With the dropoff, f/b, and no 
lobes, I’d take this over a standard dual-polarity sector.  And since I install 
in residential areas with aesthetic issues, no shield kits.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

I would argue that higher gain is more important if you are using DFS 
frequencies...

I can definitely see situations where these would make sense though, but I 
think the ones in the 30-60 degree range are probably more interesting than the 
90.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rory Conaway via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement
I think the key thing here is the f/b ratio and the pattern.   10dB is fine if 
you are using DFS frequencies anyway.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

The pattern is not like a normal sector it opens wider at elevation.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:28
An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

I thinkt he innovative thing here is the waveguide adapter between the radios 
ant the horns/dishes,

90deg sector has 10db gain.. Way too low I think



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

The simper Sectors  http://simper.rfelements.com/
Not clear if the dish is a horn/reflector combination?


- GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net<http://www.genias.net>--
Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net<mailto:s...@genias.net>
Dr. Gesslerstr. 20   D-93051 Regensburg
Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:15
An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

Which product are we talking about?  The one that looks like a dish has a patch 
array inside the cover.

From:Ty Featherling via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

So you're saying this is more marketing than innovation?

-Ty

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Angle is pretty much solely dependent upon gain.  So a typical horn is about as 
good as the best patch array or a smaller parabolic reflector.  But they are 
worse than both in the mechanical sense.

The higher the frequency the more practical horns become.

From:Stefan Englhardt via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:51 AM
To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.
A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good
as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas
should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible
to make a more dense deployment.
What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I didn't get that email... is that 2ms with GPS sync, or without?

It looks to me from the pictures like the force 110 is still using a 
connectorized radio, so you could easily swap it for a synced radio, if you 
wanted to use sync for PtP with these antennas.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rex McGuire via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP PTP Latency

>From the press release email I was sent a couple of days ago it stated that 
>one of the key features of release 2.4 ( coming in December of 2014 ) would be 
>low latency of 2 ms in PTP mode.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Josh Baird via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
The new ePMP PTP?  Are you talking about the ePMP radios that have been 
shipping for months now?  I wasn't in Vegas this week, so maybe I missed 
something.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Matt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone heard what the new ePMP PTP will have for latency when using GPS sync?

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 power supply for Rocket M5 TI

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I have one from a RocketM2 Ti here... it's a UBI-POE-48-5G. pinout is the same, 
but it's only 48v vs 50v. I suspect it would work fine, but the voltage is a 
bit higher, so I suppose there's some risk of letting magic smoke out.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AF24 power supply for Rocket M5 TI

I have a box of GP-C500-120G power Supplies for air fiber, +(1,2)(4,5) 
-(7,8)(3,6) 50V
Im trying to figure out which power supply is the actual one for M5 TI and if 
theyre compatible


--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 power supply for Rocket M5 TI

[Mathew Howard via Af]

good to know. I didn't think 50v would be a problem, but I didn't want to say 
so, since I haven't tried.



From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24 power supply for Rocket M5 TI

Not a problem. They should run fine on 56v actually.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/21/2014 10:17 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
Will it hurt the TI to be running off 50v rather than 48?
We have a M5TI thats freaking out every night, poor throughput though it shows 
a good link, high latency, etc. Its getting replaced with a 650 but Im curious 
if its possible the unit is getting an overvoltage

We had to flip flop AP station, when it was AP it would lock up the link, the 
Station would still show connected, I would have to reboot the station to force 
it to establish a new link.
It is high interference, so that probably it too.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I have one from a RocketM2 Ti here... it's a UBI-POE-48-5G. pinout is the same, 
but it's only 48v vs 50v. I suspect it would work fine, but the voltage is a 
bit higher, so I suppose there's some risk of letting magic smoke out.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] AF24 power supply for Rocket M5 TI

I have a box of GP-C500-120G power Supplies for air fiber, +(1,2)(4,5) 
-(7,8)(3,6) 50V
Im trying to figure out which power supply is the actual one for M5 TI and if 
theyre compatible


--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

So only most of the day? :P


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

hehe...

As much as I'm sure many assume otherwise...  I don't stare at the lists all 
day.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:55:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?


You can't keep up with the speed of my Precision M90 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo and 
SSD!!!

Muhahahaha!


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

I was just going to get that...



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:52:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?


http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-General-Discussion/FCC-UNII-2-Approval-and-Label-Request-Procedure/td-p/274828


- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the 
radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine 
on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, 
all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it.

Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? 
I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1.



- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 
band in AP mode. what am I missing?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between 
feeds.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it).



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Sam Lambie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that 
smoke and mirrors?

Sam

--
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I'm fairly certain they didn't, legally... but they did have the ability.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go that low 
(legally).

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update 
the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Go to the UBNT web site.  You have to register & they will send you stickers 
and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI.



bp
On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote:
Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the 
radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine 
on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, 
all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it.

Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? 
I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1.



- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 
band in AP mode. what am I missing?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between 
feeds.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it).


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Sam Lambie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that 
smoke and mirrors?
Sam

--
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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com




--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

No, Power Bridges are still 5.8ghz only.



From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Heith Petersen via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update 
the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Go to the UBNT web site.  You have to register & they will send you stickers 
and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI.



bp
On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote:
Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the 
radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine 
on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, 
all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it.

Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? 
I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1.



- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 
band in AP mode. what am I missing?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between 
feeds.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it).


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Sam Lambie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that 
smoke and mirrors?
Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the legal limit 
(assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the clients do not... 
I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges out there running at 23dBm 
Tx power on DFS channels - which should be limited to 5dBm.

UBNT really needs to fix that.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands automatically, I 
thought they were supposed to

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go that low 
(legally).

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update 
the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Go to the UBNT web site.  You have to register & they will send you stickers 
and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI.



bp
On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote:
Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the 
radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine 
on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, 
all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it.

Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? 
I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1.



- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 
band in AP mode. what am I missing?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between 
feeds.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it).


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Sam Lambie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I heard somewhere at WISPApalooza that the M series does 5.2 band now? Is that 
smoke and mirrors?
Sam

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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com




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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
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All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I thought magic unicorn dust was the usual thing around here...


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul Conlin via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes

I heard it was magnets doing the magic.  I’m worried they will demagnetize over 
time.

PC
Blaze Broadband


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes


Is it really a paint?  Any concern of it fading?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 22, 2014 4:29 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Thanks Paul.  I guess my special gain enhancing paint really does work...

From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes

We did a 50+ ePMP customer swapout the past two days and had some customers 
that were borderline.  We were using “Brand X” dishes for most of the swapouts 
with pretty good results.  We have a few links that were not about -76 to -78 
and decided to try Beehive Manufacturing’s bigger dish with the specific 2.4 
Ghz holder.  I recall Chuck telling me at Wispapalooza last year that he had 
discovered something about how to tweak 2.4 over 5 Ghz on ePMP and that’s why 
he has two different holders.

Well, his design rocks!The first site is about 5 miles away in heavy trees 
and we couldn’t get a steady link (-78ish) with a standard dish.  It now is 
rock solid at a -62/63  with 78Mbit/4Mbit TCP throughput on the link tests.  
The second site is 8.5 miles away with LOS and we also went from -78 to -62 and 
it is even better on the throughput.

Whew!   Saved our butt on about 5 similar links today.  Also, thanks for Chuck 
and Traci for getting the 2.4 Ghz holders to us so quickly when screamed “help” 
yesterday.

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Nah, because we all know MikroTik won't care... UBNT might actually do 
something if call them out on it. It seems to me like it should be a relatively 
easy fix.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

If you're gonna call out UBNT on this, might as well call out the one company 
that doesn't seem like it's ever heard of a regulation that effects it or even 
the GPL: MikroTik.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/22/2014 07:48 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
it only sets in the ap if you select a channel, if you give it a list it stays 
at full power. I wish WISPA would realize that they have absolutely no teeth 
and our membership dues have no return until our industry takes stewardship of 
the spectrum seriously. Its things like this that ensure the 5ghz rules are 
here to stay, WISPA has a better chance of sticking a straw up a unicorns hind 
end and blowing rainbow bubbles out its nose than getting the rules changed.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the legal limit 
(assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the clients do not... 
I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges out there running at 23dBm 
Tx power on DFS channels - which should be limited to 5dBm.

UBNT really needs to fix that.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands automatically, I 
thought they were supposed to

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go that low 
(legally).

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update 
the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Go to the UBNT web site.  You have to register & they will send you stickers 
and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI.



bp
On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote:
Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the 
radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine 
on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, 
all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it.

Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? 
I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1.



- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 
band in AP mode. what am I missing?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between 
feeds.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it).


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Sam Lambie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To

Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Force 110 Assembly Video

[Mathew Howard via Af]

It does still look a bit complicated, but definitely a lot better than the 
Force 100.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Force 110 Assembly Video

That looks... complicated. Good videos though.

On 10/22/2014 3:09 PM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af wrote:
Check out the new Force 110 Assembly Instruction Video.
�
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/epmp/how-to-videos
�
Best,
�
Cambium Jonathan
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Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

pany/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

From: "That One Guy via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:48:31 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
it only sets in the ap if you select a channel, if you give it a list it stays 
at full power. I wish WISPA would realize that they have absolutely no teeth 
and our membership dues have no return until our industry takes stewardship of 
the spectrum seriously. Its things like this that ensure the 5ghz rules are 
here to stay, WISPA has a better chance of sticking a straw up a unicorns hind 
end and blowing rainbow bubbles out its nose than getting the rules changed.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That really bothers me too... the AP side will limit it to the legal limit 
(assuming you have the antenna size set properly), but the clients do not... 
I'm guessing there are an awful lot of NanoBridges out there running at 23dBm 
Tx power on DFS channels - which should be limited to 5dBm.

UBNT really needs to fix that.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I dont like that theyre not limiting power in those bands automatically, I 
thought they were supposed to

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I didn't know the 5GHz Power Bridges ever had the ability to go that low 
(legally).

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Heith Petersen via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I assume that this does not apply to the Power Bridges. I am scared to update 
the few that are running 5.2 on older firmware to find out ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Go to the UBNT web site.  You have to register & they will send you stickers 
and an activation key that you enter on the System tab in the GUI.


bp
On 10/22/2014 9:51 AM, Sam Lambie via Af wrote:
Where the heck would one get an update key and how do you enter it into the 
radio? These radios are about 3 years old. This particular one worked just fine 
on Firmware 5.3 in 5.2...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I don't know. I've got ~9 Nanobridge M5 out there feeding towers on short hops, 
all listed UNII1 and half the links are running it.

Is this possibly an older unit before the UNII 2 band was enabled from factory? 
I wonder if the update key has to be entered to access UNII 1.



- Original Message -
From: Sam Lambie via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Ok, I have a radio on the bench with 5.5.10 loaded and all I see is the 5.8 
band in AP mode. what am I missing?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote
Works quite nicely. I've got a few out there. Nice to have 500+ MHz between 
feeds.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?

Firmware 5.5.10 (actually, one of its betas was the first to offer it).


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Sam Lambie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:30:14 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket M5 and 5.2 band?
I heard somewhere at WI

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 + Epmp100 dish _ Mtow

[Mathew Howard via Af]

They are setup for an ePMP radio to attach to the plate on the non-mount side, 
it's just not designed for a 450... looks like it worked fine to do it that way 
though.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ty Featherling via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 + Epmp100 dish _ Mtow

Is that mount serious? I mean it may be convenient to mount on the other side 
but c'mon. Any no place for the radio? Could have at least made a nice spot on 
there for a radio on one of those plates so that you can put the radio on the 
non-mount side. Weird.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:




Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 + Epmp100 dish _ Mtow

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Not exactly, the antenna cables go through the big hole at the top and the four 
holes around it are for attaching a cover that goes over the top of the radio. 
The actual radio is held on with a hook at the top and a screw at the bottom... 
it makes more sense if you're familiar with how the ePMP radios mount.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ty Featherling via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 + Epmp100 dish _ Mtow

Ok okay so that circle with the 4 holes around it at the top maybe? If so 
that's not so bad.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
They are setup for an ePMP radio to attach to the plate on the non-mount side, 
it's just not designed for a 450... looks like it worked fine to do it that way 
though.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Ty 
Featherling via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 + Epmp100 dish _ Mtow

Is that mount serious? I mean it may be convenient to mount on the other side 
but c'mon. Any no place for the radio? Could have at least made a nice spot on 
there for a radio on one of those plates so that you can put the radio on the 
non-mount side. Weird.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:




Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Mathew Howard via Af]

And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit.

I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the 
RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and 
gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole 
stack of them to get around that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 
5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports 
for whatever.

On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock...
I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack 
near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them 
)..�
For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to 
have a little thing like that :(


On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200.



bp
On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
�
OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via 
POE.
does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please
�
thanks
�


--
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFF3C7.58116450]

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Mathew Howard via Af]

 I know PoE Gigabit is a bit different, but Ubiquiti can do it, so I don't see 
any reason MikroTik shouldn't be able to...

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

POE on a gigabit port is a special sort of animal.  Might preclude doing 
non-gigabit on those ports.


bp

On 10/30/2014 7:38 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit.

I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the 
RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and 
gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole 
stack of them to get around that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Paul 
McCall via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 
5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports 
for whatever.

On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock...
I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack 
near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them 
)..�
For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to 
have a little thing like that :(


On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200.



bp
On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
�
OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via 
POE.
does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please
�
thanks
�


--
[cid:part1.00050502.05080305@SkylineBroadbandService.com]

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Mathew Howard via Af]

An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... 
otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for 
a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Oh, I didn't know that.

Then yes, pitch the 850.



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From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS …


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version?


-
Mike Hammett
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From: "Mathew Howard via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik
And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit.

I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the 
RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and 
gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole 
stack of them to get around that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik
And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 
5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports 
for whatever.

On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock...
I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack 
near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them 
)..�
For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to 
have a little thing like that :(

On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200.


bp
On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
�
OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via 
POE.
does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please
�
thanks
�


--
[http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=co&id=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31846&part=2]

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Mathew Howard via Af]

It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is 
the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but 
then they screw up one or two things really badly.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at 
the top of the list.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Tyler Treat via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik


​you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik.   As much as i love their 
gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right 
product.

____________
From: Af  on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... 
otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for 
a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Oh, I didn't know that.

Then yes, pitch the 850.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS …


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Mathew Howard via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik
And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit.

I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the 
RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and 
gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole 
stack of them to get around that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik
And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 
5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports 
for whatever.

On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock...
I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack 
near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them 
)..�
For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why i

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I would love to do that too... even if they didn't listen to us, at least I'd 
get the satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so" when they release it 
and everyone complains about it being made wrong.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA 
is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start 
building it. I'll even rate them as "Don't release it with(out) this feature", 
"Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it" and "Meh".

I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but 
that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Mathew Howard via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is 
the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but 
then they screw up one or two things really badly.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at 
the top of the list.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Tyler Treat via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik


​you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik.   As much as i love their 
gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right 
product.


From: Af  on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... 
otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for 
a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Oh, I didn't know that.

Then yes, pitch the 850.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:30:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS …


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I really think it would - and it would cost them nothing... unless they want to 
give me free stuff, which I'm all for, but it wouldn't be required.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I'd think it'd make their job easier. They don't fully develop a product and 
then have to rebuild it because they did it wrong.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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________
From: "Mathew Howard via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:17:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I would love to do that too... even if they didn't listen to us, at least I'd 
get the satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so" when they release it 
and everyone complains about it being made wrong.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I formally invite all vendors to tell me what they're thinking of making (NDA 
is fine) and I'll tell you what you need to change before you even start 
building it. I'll even rate them as "Don't release it with(out) this feature", 
"Would buy, but if it had X feature, I'd marry it" and "Meh".

I'd like to think that I'm very good at telling you where you messed up, but 
that I will also help you work through it if afforded the opportunity.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>


From: "Mathew Howard via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:03:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

It really does affect a lot of our vendors, but I would have to say MikroTik is 
the worst. They are really good at making products that are almost perfect, but 
then they screw up one or two things really badly.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

I'd say that problem afflicts many of our vendors, though MT and UBNT are at 
the top of the list.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Tyler Treat via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:51:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik


​you know that's the weird thing about Mikrotik.   As much as i love their 
gear, it seems like they have a bad habit of producting *almost* the right 
product.


From: Af  on behalf of Mathew Howard via Af 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

An 850x2 in an UP version would be good, if they fix that L2MTU issue... 
otherwise, even a 2011 in an UP version would be alright - I'd even settle for 
a 2011 with PoE out on all five 10/100 ports.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

Oh, I didn't know that.

Then yes, pitch the 850.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<

Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I second this request. The more details the better.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization 
or duty cycle meters

I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I 
know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's 
busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using 
what percent, etc.

I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how 
many bits are flowing through it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Does it exist ?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yes, Itelite makes one.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Does it exist ?

Dual Polarity, Dual Band (2.4 / 5 Ghz) sector antennas?




Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Does it exist ?

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I haven't used their dual band antennas, but I have been pretty happy with 
their other sectors. I'm not aware of any others.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does it exist ?

I know of ITElite – do they actually work well?  Are there other options?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Does it exist ?

Dual Polarity, Dual Band (2.4 / 5 Ghz) sector antennas?




Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite 5GHZ dual pole dishes

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Have you used Jirous dishes in 5150-5250mhz? The specs only list the frequency 
range as 5.4-5.9ghz, which somewhat limits where I would want to use them.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite 5GHZ dual pole dishes

Jirous makes great dishes.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Craig Schmaderer via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 1:30:22 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite 5GHZ dual pole dishes

Looking for some dishes for the PTP450, just seeing what people like or what 
they are using.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

[Mathew Howard via Af]

But AF5 is full duplex, so perhaps it's not feasible.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

Might want to look into allowing different size channels. As I mentioned, the 
AF5 does it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Bruce Collins via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:04:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

Hi Mike,

You are correct.  The PTP 650 supports what we call ‘split frequency operation’ 
which assigns a Tx frequency separate from the Rx frequency.  Both Tx and Rx 
frequencies must be the same channel bandwidth.

This is useful in cases where there is localized noise at one end of a link OR 
in cases where FDD spectrum is allocated and the goal is to mimic FDD support 
(clearly not a N. America requirement).

Regards,

Bruce


Bruce Collins
Product Manager
Cambium Networks



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

The AF5 supports different Tx and Rx, so it can be done.

Didn't see any acknowledgment from Cambium on this one.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Matt Jenkins via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

I know its probably not feasible, but I would really like them to
support 45mhz Tx and 10mhz Rx channel sizes as well.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/18/2014 02:43 PM, Roland Houin via Af wrote:
> yes.
>
> roland
>
>
>> Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on 5800) <
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard via Af]

We have a couple of them up on towers - I haven't seen any problems.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

Speaking of AC

Are the AC Nanobeams ready to be put 80 foot up a tower?
Are they reliable now?
Need to do a rebuild but don’t want to have to hire a cherry picker more often 
than needed.

Thanks




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2014 2:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

I'd like to see the non-lite Rocket as well...

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Peter Kranz via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hardware already available..
Software.. soon!

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

Has anyone heard of a timeline on the availability of ptmp AC in Ubiquiti's 
lineup?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That would seem like a good fit for one of Mikrotik's cloud core routers. doing 
50Mbps, you could probably even get away with an RB750 for the CPE end. I 
haven't played with bonding though, so it might be better to go for an RB2011.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

You could just get a beefier Mikrotik for the center and have one or two (for 
redundancy of your "core").



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Chuck McCown via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

But if I want to do 100 of these, with a NOC and 100 subs, I don’t want to have 
discrete devices on both ends of each circuit.  Prefer to use link aggregation 
of some sort that would function kinda like a PMP radio protocol.  So one big 
something at the NOC that can know how to handle dual paths to a CPE.

From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

I'd probably go with an RB2011 for ~$100. If you can control the network on 
both ends (with a Mikrotik also at the upstream side), that makes your life 
easier.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Chuck McCown via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:29:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Need to probably hit 50 Mbps.

From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Get a used Peplink off ebay.  I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but 
they are limited to 10-15Mbps.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it.  :-p

www.routerboard.com

They have everything from $50 "SOHO" style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ 
(and others) boxes.

How networking knowledgeable are you?

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing

There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Chuck McCown via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
Yeah, I anticipated that answer.  I have next to zero experience with MT.  Not 
to say I am not willing to learn.
So, what exactly would it take?  Just the router?  Do those things come in nice 
consumer grade cases?  Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB.  
(Back in 2003)...

How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it 
up for me and teach us a class...
We would buy the pizza...

From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding

Mikrotik.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Omnis definitely do have their place, they're certainly not something that 
should be used everywhere though.

I have run into situations where noise is less of a problem with omnis than 
sectors... it all depends what it is and where it's coming from.

We often put up omnis on new towers (especially if they're on the edge of our 
network) and then switch over to sectors when it becomes necessary - which is 
sometimes never.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

Four sectors would allow frequency re-use.

I do admit that in conditions with significant noise in all directions by many 
transmitters, leaving only one clean channel you're left with an omni or 
something like LTE's wizardry that uses the same channel everywhere.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:54:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

I actually shot myself in the foot once doing this.   I took down a 900 omni 
and put up 3 120 sectors thinking it was going to be great.   Not at all what 
happened.   Turned out the omni was running on the only clean channel.   With 
the 3 sectors and only 3 non-overlapping frequencies available there was no 
combination of channels and directions that worked as well as the omni it 
replaced.

After rotating sectors and frequency plans around for days we found something 
workable, but it wasn't at all what I expected when we started the project.

Mark

On 11/8/14, 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
In cases of congestion, ought you not use antennas with smaller beamwidths?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:33:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

Omni's have their places.   Physical space limitations, frequency congestion, 
low density, mobile applications, cost, etc.

Sometimes it's the right tool for the job.

Mark

On 11/8/14, 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Friends don't let friends deploy omnis.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 1:50:45 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

We had a tower taken out by a storm.

When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and went with a 
DP omni rather than sectors.

RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni

I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12 miles away, 
one customer didn't come back up. I started checking my other APs as sometimes 
they'll hop if close enough, didn't find anything.

I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it from a 
little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an Airgrid 16dBi. The grid is 
pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I never expected that shot to work if it 
*was* pointed the right direction.

I'm impressed.




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Why don't you just swap pins 4/5 with 7/8 at one end of the cat5? or is this 
doing something else that I'm missing?


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Christopher Tyler via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords

Switch outs.  Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to 
UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power 
supply.  So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up the 
new radio.

Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a "universal" power supply.

I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "TJ Trout via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 12:02:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords

A new poe can't be much more??? Why all the crap in the middle?
On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, "Christopher Tyler via Af"  wrote:

> Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tyler Treat via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
>
> Now this could be handy
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af 
> wrote:
> >
> > How about a POE polarity tester key fob?
> > https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Tyler
> > MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> > Total Highspeed Internet Services
> > 417.851.1107
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Luthman via Af" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
> >
> > Yay for resources and shared knowledge!
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably
> a
> >> better option.  I concede defeat.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christopher Tyler
> >> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> >> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> >> 417.851.1107
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Luthman via Af" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
> >>
> >> POE-XOVER-S is the model
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made
> >>
> http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec
> >>> %20Sheet.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gino A. Villarini
> >>> President
> >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>> www.aeronetpr.com
> >>> @aeronetpr
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, "Christopher Tyler via Af" 
> wrote:
> 
>  If anyone is interested..
> 
>  https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi
> 
>  Mouser part number for connector on the board:
> >>
> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py
>  FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d
> 
>  --
>  Christopher Tyler
>  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>  Total Highspeed Internet Services
>  417.851.1107
> >>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yes, and our cheese completely makes up for the extra snow... and I hate snow.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer routers

yeah, and when we get 1 inch, they get three. But they do have cheese.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Dude aren't you in Illinois?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
you guys get too much snow up there

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Simon Westlake via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
http://www.indeed.com/job/tier-3-technical-support-c4c4abce9d83d26f

Come work for us and solve that problem! We're trying to hire a couple more 
tier 3 support guys right now.


The only actual legitimate complaint I have with them is around events like 
wispapalooza they shortstaff, but they gotta make that cheddar.



On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Don't ask Steve anything serious!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'm thinking about changing  how do u like power code?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:10 AM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Powercode is Static DHCP, MAC reservations from a non dynamic pool, if there is 
no device registered with that mac it pulls from a dynamic pool for each POP 
and all that traffic is redirected to the powercode web server

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
We have 2 different IP address pools. I had thought about dhcp  but I would 
like to see the router incase I needed to access it for firmware upgrades etc

We use swift fox for monitoring and billing

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Now that DHCP is reliable its DHCP, everything is DHCP that way we can move 
customer IP space at whim. If a customer throws in one of our replacement 
routers we either pill the MAC from the bridge table on the SM/AP and update it 
or watch the DHCP log in the BMU to either pull the MAC (if its their personal 
router) or log into the catch all IP theyre handed if its ours to get it and 
complete the set up
If powercode would set it up to where the redirect page pulled the IP the 
customer is coming from and compared it to the DHCP log, customers could even 
self provision their own devices, but they say its not possible, so it does 
require a call in to tech support to provision, unless they can get on the horn 
with their router vendor to get the WAN MAC, since all the boxes list the 
wireless or LAN MAC for some reason

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Does ur config script set a static ip or dhcp



Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:40 AM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

thats the very reason we use the air router
DHCP used to not be reliable through powercode so we needed a way to ensure 
that they couldnt reset them and have no service. We just created a default 
config with our remote access and the reset button disabled the techs load in 
at installation time. anything specific to the customer is named CHANGEME 
including the device name, that way they know what to change and the ones that 
werent configured completely are easy to ID. We also leave some of these with 
the default config file loaded into them at our retail shop, that way customers 
can just pick one up if their personal router is causing trouble or if our air 
router fails (which suprisingly for 28 bucks, they rarely do)

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Joseph Marsh via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
We don't nat at sm and the tech test speed at Poe I don't allow speed tests via 
wireless  and we leave a 3 ft cable on lan side of ubnt Poe

Does the air router allow u to disable reset button?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:19 AM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

are you NAT at the SM? it depends on whether youre bridging or NAT. If youre 
briddging, like us, throwing the router in saves on support calls. If they opt 
to use their own router, then all your support needs to do is give them the 
manufacturers support number, also it eliminates support on wireless issues. We 
throw in a 28 dolar air router, set the ESSID with a set key that doesnt 
change, any issue on the wireless on that and we tell them to contect their end 
device manufacturer and provide them the ESSID and key. we dont give them a 
personalized key. Ever since we started this, the number of wireless issues we 
have had to support

Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I'm not sure if it's a higher clock rate or not, but it is definitely a faster 
CPU. I think it's the same CPU/chipset in all the XW hardware.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same

I believe it is a higher clock rate.  It is a new chipset.  Same architecture 
as Nanobeam/Powerbeam.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
It now uses XW firmware.  Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset 
running at a higher clock rate?  Basically, is it the same processor that’s in 
the Powerbeam/Titanium?

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless
4226 S. 37th Street
Phoenix, Az.  85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT in mexico

[Mathew Howard via Af]

 Well, that does sound a lot better than naked, headless and dangling from a 
bridge... nothing to worry about if that's all they're going to do.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT in mexico

Naw, the would make you into pozole (cook you with lye in a 55 gallon barrel, 
nothing is left).

From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT in mexico

Is the 3ghz band usable in mexico? What are their rules?
I would configure this stuff per their regulations as I dont want to end up 
naked, headless and dangling from a bridge

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Yes.  You have to NOM and certificate of origin paper work.  Everyone and their 
abuelita use Ubiquiti in compliance test mode as well as MT and Canopy with 
engineering extension.   SCT rules mirror FCC but few comply.

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 7, 2014 1:51 PM, "That One Guy via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
One of the partners has been talking to some people from an orphanage around 
Magdalena Mexico about a PMP solution, campus type environment, UBNT budget, 
20ish subscribers and one, maybe two AP sectors.

Im not sure what, if any regulations apply down there, I told him the 5ghz 
solution probably offers them the broadest options as far as channel 
availabiltiy, but I dont know what theyre allowed to use down there, here it 
would be grand, since most of the subscribers are withing 2000 feet so power 
isnt really a concern

The budget is a limited budget for sure, The AC line may be out of the budget, 
I dont know how much difference in cost between that and the M5 line there is.

First, is anybody on here from around there
Second, it would be great if there happened to be somebody dumping UBNT gear in 
a forklift upgrade that would be willing to part with gear on the cheap, 
assuming sending it to mexico doesnt have some customs limitation

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That's definitely not right... maybe you have numbers from the old 5150-5250 
rules?

PtMP is 36dBm EIRP, and PtP is 53dBm EIRP - however, because of the OOBE stuff, 
I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53dBm. Ubiquiti stuff is all 
limited to 36dBm, ePMP lets me set the Tx power up to 20dBm with the antenna 
size set to 30dBi (in PtP mode).

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

Really? My cheetsheet shows much lower EIRPs - 22 on PtP and 16 on PmP!!


On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Dan Petermann via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
awesome, Thank you

On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

> 36dBm PtMP. 53dBm PtP. I assume the SM qualifies as PTP like 5.7. And no DFS.
>
> On 11/12/2014 3:53 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
>> Can someone give me a quick list of eirp rules in the 5.1 band for 
>> multipoint?
>




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

[Mathew Howard via Af]

There's not really a good way to attach an ePMP without a bracket though... it 
would be nice if they had some sort of slot for a zip tie, like the Rockets.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

Just zip tie the radio to the pipe of the 2' dish?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:22 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Because it's moar better. All one piece, send it up the tower, tower guys mount 
it. And that's exactly why I (mostly) use the Cambium antennas for the 450, so 
the guys don't have to fiddle with/break shit on the tower. No matter how many 
times I tell them not to let 900 radios dangle by the pigtail, they do it 
anyway. Sometimes (OK, all the time) I just want to shoot at them.

On 11/12/2014 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Force110 for 5ghz.

2.4 I think it's ITElite or 27rd.  For a dish why do you need a mount?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 12, 2014 5:01 PM, "Alan West via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:
Not out there, as far as I know. The Force 110 units from Cambium should hit 
vendors late this month. An improvement, but still not a Nanobeam as far as 
assembly.


On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via 
Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


So I guess this doesn't exist. Or nobody cares.

On 11/12/2014 10:15 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
> Is there a 2' dish that has an integrated radio mount like the Rocket
> dish for ePMP radios? And that possibly uses the same radome that fits
> on Laird/UBNT style parabolics? I thought I remember seeing this
> somewhere but I'm having no luck finding it. Maybe I'm imagining the
> Force100 dish or something? I guess I can always use a Pac/Laird HD
> dish, but integrated radio mount would be nice.

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

[Mathew Howard via Af]

The rules definitely do allow up to 53, but you have to go with whatever the 
particular radio is certified for because of the OOBE stuff.

The ePMP interface locks to 36 when it's in PtMP mode, but when you switch it 
to PtP it lets you go up to 50 (20dBm + 30dBi) - it doesn't let you go higher 
than 20dBm tx power, regardless of the antenna size. I'm assuming that actually 
is what is allowed, since that's what the interface does limit it.

I know someone did post the FCC certification on one of the lists and it showed 
the ePMP was certified for 20dBm tx power... but I'm not certain if there are 
any antenna restrictions.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

cambium linkplanner is locking it at 36 on ptp
I havent looked on the ptp650 to see if its locked
Man i hope somebody can provide some evidence that it can go up to 53, that 
would get a pretty big load of my back right now

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That's definitely not right... maybe you have numbers from the old 5150-5250 
rules?

PtMP is 36dBm EIRP, and PtP is 53dBm EIRP - however, because of the OOBE stuff, 
I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53dBm. Ubiquiti stuff is all 
limited to 36dBm, ePMP lets me set the Tx power up to 20dBm with the antenna 
size set to 30dBi (in PtP mode).

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

Really? My cheetsheet shows much lower EIRPs - 22 on PtP and 16 on PmP!!


On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Dan Petermann via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
awesome, Thank you

On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

> 36dBm PtMP. 53dBm PtP. I assume the SM qualifies as PTP like 5.7. And no DFS.
>
> On 11/12/2014 3:53 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
>> Can someone give me a quick list of eirp rules in the 5.1 band for 
>> multipoint?
>




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I'm pretty sure I got an email from Cambium awhile back saying it did...

yeah, here it is... looks like it needs a license key to enable it.  
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2014/07/28/cambium-networks-ptp-650-receives-fcc-grant-to-operate-in-5150-to-5250-mhz

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

crud, 650 doesnt do 5.1, that is disappointing

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
cambium linkplanner is locking it at 36 on ptp
I havent looked on the ptp650 to see if its locked
Man i hope somebody can provide some evidence that it can go up to 53, that 
would get a pretty big load of my back right now

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That's definitely not right... maybe you have numbers from the old 5150-5250 
rules?

PtMP is 36dBm EIRP, and PtP is 53dBm EIRP - however, because of the OOBE stuff, 
I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53dBm. Ubiquiti stuff is all 
limited to 36dBm, ePMP lets me set the Tx power up to 20dBm with the antenna 
size set to 30dBi (in PtP mode).

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

Really? My cheetsheet shows much lower EIRPs - 22 on PtP and 16 on PmP!!


On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Dan Petermann via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
awesome, Thank you

On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

> 36dBm PtMP. 53dBm PtP. I assume the SM qualifies as PTP like 5.7. And no DFS.
>
> On 11/12/2014 3:53 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
>> Can someone give me a quick list of eirp rules in the 5.1 band for 
>> multipoint?
>




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

[Mathew Howard via Af]

There may be, I'm not sure. I know some antenna manufacturers are selling 
brackets to attach to their antennas, but I don't remember seeing any dishes.

I guess you could just go around the whole thing with zip ties, but I'm not 
sure how well that would work.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

Isn't there like a $10 add-on piece that lets it be pipe strapped? Yeah, why 
isn't that just standard like a Rocket, WTF Cambium.

On 11/12/2014 4:34 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
There's not really a good way to attach an ePMP without a bracket though... it 
would be nice if they had some sort of slot for a zip tie, like the Rockets.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Josh 
Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

Just zip tie the radio to the pipe of the 2' dish?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:22 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Because it's moar better. All one piece, send it up the tower, tower guys mount 
it. And that's exactly why I (mostly) use the Cambium antennas for the 450, so 
the guys don't have to fiddle with/break shit on the tower. No matter how many 
times I tell them not to let 900 radios dangle by the pigtail, they do it 
anyway. Sometimes (OK, all the time) I just want to shoot at them.

On 11/12/2014 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Force110 for 5ghz.

2.4 I think it's ITElite or 27rd.� For a dish why do you need a mount?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 12, 2014 5:01 PM, "Alan West via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:
Not out there, as far as I know. The Force 110 units from Cambium should hit 
vendors late this month. An improvement, but still not a Nanobeam as far as 
assembly.


On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via 
Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


So I guess this doesn't exist. Or nobody cares.

On 11/12/2014 10:15 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
> Is there a 2' dish that has an integrated radio mount like the Rocket
> dish for ePMP radios? And that possibly uses the same radome that fits
> on Laird/UBNT style parabolics? I thought I remember seeing this
> somewhere but I'm having no luck finding it. Maybe I'm imagining the
> Force100 dish or something? I guess I can always use a Pac/Laird HD
> dish, but integrated radio mount would be nice.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

[Mathew Howard via Af]

oh, neat... it looks like RF Elements and KPP both make adapters to attach an 
ePMP to a Ubiquiti style mount.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

Isn't there like a $10 add-on piece that lets it be pipe strapped? Yeah, why 
isn't that just standard like a Rocket, WTF Cambium.

On 11/12/2014 4:34 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
There's not really a good way to attach an ePMP without a bracket though... it 
would be nice if they had some sort of slot for a zip tie, like the Rockets.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Josh 
Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2' dish

Just zip tie the radio to the pipe of the 2' dish?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:22 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Because it's moar better. All one piece, send it up the tower, tower guys mount 
it. And that's exactly why I (mostly) use the Cambium antennas for the 450, so 
the guys don't have to fiddle with/break shit on the tower. No matter how many 
times I tell them not to let 900 radios dangle by the pigtail, they do it 
anyway. Sometimes (OK, all the time) I just want to shoot at them.

On 11/12/2014 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Force110 for 5ghz.

2.4 I think it's ITElite or 27rd.� For a dish why do you need a mount?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 12, 2014 5:01 PM, "Alan West via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:
Not out there, as far as I know. The Force 110 units from Cambium should hit 
vendors late this month. An improvement, but still not a Nanobeam as far as 
assembly.


On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via 
Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


So I guess this doesn't exist. Or nobody cares.

On 11/12/2014 10:15 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
> Is there a 2' dish that has an integrated radio mount like the Rocket
> dish for ePMP radios? And that possibly uses the same radome that fits
> on Laird/UBNT style parabolics? I thought I remember seeing this
> somewhere but I'm having no luck finding it. Maybe I'm imagining the
> Force100 dish or something? I guess I can always use a Pac/Laird HD
> dish, but integrated radio mount would be nice.

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That's odd... I wonder if you have to do something else to enable it.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

im on 1-21 it only has the option for 5.2 .54 and 5.8 in the GUI, maybe im 
missing something

Does anyone have a link to an accurate up to date cheatsheet for the entire 
5ghz band and its subsets?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sure I got an email from Cambium awhile back saying it did...

yeah, here it is... looks like it needs a license key to enable it.  
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2014/07/28/cambium-networks-ptp-650-receives-fcc-grant-to-operate-in-5150-to-5250-mhz

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

crud, 650 doesnt do 5.1, that is disappointing

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
cambium linkplanner is locking it at 36 on ptp
I havent looked on the ptp650 to see if its locked
Man i hope somebody can provide some evidence that it can go up to 53, that 
would get a pretty big load of my back right now

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That's definitely not right... maybe you have numbers from the old 5150-5250 
rules?

PtMP is 36dBm EIRP, and PtP is 53dBm EIRP - however, because of the OOBE stuff, 
I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53dBm. Ubiquiti stuff is all 
limited to 36dBm, ePMP lets me set the Tx power up to 20dBm with the antenna 
size set to 30dBi (in PtP mode).

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

Really? My cheetsheet shows much lower EIRPs - 22 on PtP and 16 on PmP!!


On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Dan Petermann via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
awesome, Thank you

On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

> 36dBm PtMP. 53dBm PtP. I assume the SM qualifies as PTP like 5.7. And no DFS.
>
> On 11/12/2014 3:53 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:
>> Can someone give me a quick list of eirp rules in the 5.1 band for 
>> multipoint?
>




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That's very helpful!

Can someone from Cambium answer what the max transmit power is for ePMP in 
5150-5250? specifically, for two eForce 100 in a point-to-point configuration.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bruce Collins via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

The short answer is that PTP 650 does support 5.15 GHz.

To access 5.15GHz you will need to be on release 01-21 and then go to the 
support website to add 5.1GHz license key (no charge).  Because of the 
out-of-band emissions requirements there are automatic backoffs in power on the 
band edges of the 5.15GHz channels.   Below are all the details on the 
implementation of 5.15GHz FCC band on the PTP 650.

Let me know if you have further questions.
Regards,
Bruce

Product Manager
Cambium Networks



1.   The grant covers the PTP 650, PTP 650S and PTP 650L

2.   The band is only applicable to FCC radios used in the U.S. and U.S. 
territories.

3.   Existing customers will need to go the license manager page on the 
support website to update their license key adding 5.15 GHz (at no charge)

4.   The UNII-1 band officially covers 5.15 GHz to 5.25 GHz at a maximum of 
53dBm EIRP and does not required DFS for radar avoidance.  HOWEVER, it does 
have very stringent out-of-band emissions requirements which make the maximum 
EIRP unlikely to be met by any commercial products.

5.   The out of band emissions requirements and the fact that UNII-1 band 
is adjacent to the 5.2GHz band that does require radar avoidance means that 
each product approved under UNII-1 will have different capabilities.  
LINKPlanner has been updated to take these rules into account if you plan a 
link in the UNII-1 band with the PTP 650.

6.   The PTP 650 supports the following EIRP levels dependent on channel 
bandwidth.  G stands for the gain of the antenna with maximum antenna gain of 
23dBi.

a.   5MHz:   33 – G dBm  (so for example, with the integrated 23dBm antenna 
the max tx power is 33dBm – 23dBi = 10dBm)

b.  10MHz: 31 – G dBm

c.   15MHz: 37 – G dBm

d.  20MHz: 36 – G dBm

e.  30MHz: 35 – G dBm

f.40MHz: 30 – G dBm

g.   45MHz: 30 – G dBm



7.   Further there are band edge back-offs shown below:

8.
Channel Bandwidth

Channel Frequency

Backoff

5 MHz

Below 5158.0 MHz

7 dB



5158 to 5200 MHz

3 dB



Above 5200.0 MHz

0 dB

10 MHz

Below 5164.0 MHz

8 dB



5164.0 MHz and above

0 dB

15 MHz

Below 5170.0 MHz

14 dB



5170 to 5181 MHz

6 dB



Above 5181.0 MHz

0 dB

20 MHz

Below 5175.0 MHz

13 dB



5175 to 5187 MHz

6 dB



Above 5187.0 MHz

0 dB

30 MHz

Below 5187.0 MHz

11 dB



5187 to 5200 MHz

5 dB



Above 5208.0 MHz

0 dB

40 MHz

Below 5200.0 MHz

6 dB



5200.0 MHz and above

0 dB

45 MHz

Below 5205.0 MHz

7 dB



5205.0 MHz and above

0 dB




















From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

im on 1-21 it only has the option for 5.2 .54 and 5.8 in the GUI, maybe im 
missing something

Does anyone have a link to an accurate up to date cheatsheet for the entire 
5ghz band and its subsets?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sure I got an email from Cambium awhile back saying it did...

yeah, here it is... looks like it needs a license key to enable it.  
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2014/07/28/cambium-networks-ptp-650-receives-fcc-grant-to-operate-in-5150-to-5250-mhz

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules
crud, 650 doesnt do 5.1, that is disappointing

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
cambium linkplanner is locking it at 36 on ptp
I havent looked on the ptp650 to see if its locked
Man i hope somebody can provide some evidence that it can go up to 53, that 
would get a pretty big load of my back right now

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That's definitely not right... maybe you have numbers from the old 5150-5250 
rules?

PtMP is 36dBm EIRP, and PtP is 53dBm EIRP - however, because of the OOBE stuff, 
I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53dBm. Ubiquiti stuff is all 
limited to 36dBm, ePMP lets me set the Tx power up to 20dBm with the antenna 
size set to 30dBi (in PtP mode).

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wedne

Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Thanks! so it should be safe to just go with what the interface allows, as long 
as the antenna size is set correctly?

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Sakid Ahmed via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

Its 20dBm

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

That's very helpful!

Can someone from Cambium answer what the max transmit power is for ePMP in 
5150-5250? specifically, for two eForce 100 in a point-to-point configuration.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bruce Collins via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules
The short answer is that PTP 650 does support 5.15 GHz.

To access 5.15GHz you will need to be on release 01-21 and then go to the 
support website to add 5.1GHz license key (no charge).  Because of the 
out-of-band emissions requirements there are automatic backoffs in power on the 
band edges of the 5.15GHz channels.   Below are all the details on the 
implementation of 5.15GHz FCC band on the PTP 650.

Let me know if you have further questions.
Regards,
Bruce

Product Manager
Cambium Networks



1.   The grant covers the PTP 650, PTP 650S and PTP 650L

2.   The band is only applicable to FCC radios used in the U.S. and U.S. 
territories.

3.   Existing customers will need to go the license manager page on the 
support website to update their license key adding 5.15 GHz (at no charge)

4.   The UNII-1 band officially covers 5.15 GHz to 5.25 GHz at a maximum of 
53dBm EIRP and does not required DFS for radar avoidance.  HOWEVER, it does 
have very stringent out-of-band emissions requirements which make the maximum 
EIRP unlikely to be met by any commercial products.

5.   The out of band emissions requirements and the fact that UNII-1 band 
is adjacent to the 5.2GHz band that does require radar avoidance means that 
each product approved under UNII-1 will have different capabilities.  
LINKPlanner has been updated to take these rules into account if you plan a 
link in the UNII-1 band with the PTP 650.

6.   The PTP 650 supports the following EIRP levels dependent on channel 
bandwidth.  G stands for the gain of the antenna with maximum antenna gain of 
23dBi.

a.   5MHz:   33 – G dBm  (so for example, with the integrated 23dBm antenna 
the max tx power is 33dBm – 23dBi = 10dBm)

b.  10MHz: 31 – G dBm

c.   15MHz: 37 – G dBm

d.  20MHz: 36 – G dBm

e.  30MHz: 35 – G dBm

f.40MHz: 30 – G dBm

g.   45MHz: 30 – G dBm



7.   Further there are band edge back-offs shown below:

8.
Channel Bandwidth

Channel Frequency

Backoff

5 MHz

Below 5158.0 MHz

7 dB



5158 to 5200 MHz

3 dB



Above 5200.0 MHz

0 dB

10 MHz

Below 5164.0 MHz

8 dB



5164.0 MHz and above

0 dB

15 MHz

Below 5170.0 MHz

14 dB



5170 to 5181 MHz

6 dB



Above 5181.0 MHz

0 dB

20 MHz

Below 5175.0 MHz

13 dB



5175 to 5187 MHz

6 dB



Above 5187.0 MHz

0 dB

30 MHz

Below 5187.0 MHz

11 dB



5187 to 5200 MHz

5 dB



Above 5208.0 MHz

0 dB

40 MHz

Below 5200.0 MHz

6 dB



5200.0 MHz and above

0 dB

45 MHz

Below 5205.0 MHz

7 dB



5205.0 MHz and above

0 dB




















From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules

im on 1-21 it only has the option for 5.2 .54 and 5.8 in the GUI, maybe im 
missing something

Does anyone have a link to an accurate up to date cheatsheet for the entire 
5ghz band and its subsets?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sure I got an email from Cambium awhile back saying it did...

yeah, here it is... looks like it needs a license key to enable it.  
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases/2014/07/28/cambium-networks-ptp-650-receives-fcc-grant-to-operate-in-5150-to-5250-mhz

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of That 
One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.1 PMP rules
crud, 650 doesnt do 5.1, that is disappointing

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM, That One Guy via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
cambium linkplanner is locking it at 36 on ptp
I havent looked on the ptp650 to see if its locked
Man i hope somebody can provide some evidence that it can go up to 53, that 
would get a pretty big load of my back right now

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wr

Re: [AFMUG] For love of all that is evil (mikrotik/routerboard)

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yeah, I've had that happen... if I remember correctly, it happened to me on a 
CCR.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ty Featherling via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For love of all that is evil (mikrotik/routerboard)

I know on Mikrotik if you copy a config from one device to another and you do 
not sanitize any MAC addresses in it you can rewrite the MACs on the new 
device. Any chance you did something like that? If so a reset to default config 
should restore the original MACs.

-Ty

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I recommend you use different MACs on Ethernet devices that are connected to 
other Ethernet devices.  Especially if they are all on the same collision 
domain.

Improper operation may result in having both devices use the same MAC.

Of course this will continue to be a problem until MAC-V6 is widely 
implemented, but try to find different MACs.  I know they are hard to come by, 
but it is sure to make you life easier...

(I used to have a block of MACs assigned to my company.  Not sure if I had to 
pay Xerox for them or what.  Been a long time ago.)

From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For love of all that is evil (mikrotik/routerboard)

I always wondered how manufactures reuse their MACs, apparently all in the same 
batch

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Freaking hell, I just spent 30 minutes trying to unravel a router mystery.

Ended up that both of my CCR Mikrotik routers had THE SAME MAC ADDRESSES 
between them!

They are identical. Every port had a consecutive MAC number, but they were the 
same numbers for both the SFP and GigE ports across the two routers.

I'm guessing they flashed them both at the manufacturer the exact same, then 
didn't make it through a MAC renumbering.

Or is this common with Mikrotik now days?

I'm sure I've encountered it before, but like once every five years.

Just a FYI for all y'all who use Mikrotiks.

Watch your backs (I mean MACs)!



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up"

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That's such a shame! we should really at least launch a few so we can see how 
that plywood thing works out.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

But I never got to use my bomb shelter!  I still have a radiation detector 
around here somewhere and my 1965 civil defense handbook they gave out at 
school.

Did you know that you can survive under a sheet of plywood if you put it in the 
corner of your basement on cinder blocks with bags of sand on top!  Like... who 
knew!

From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

Not unused at all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
How about nuclear weapons?  We sure did those right.
Shame for them to go unused, don’t you think...?

From: Cameron Crum via Af
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"


Of course all those things were 50 to almost 100 years ago. NASA is pretty much 
a joke these days using old faulty Russian boosters, and we are firing the best 
and brightest in our military. I doubt we could go to the moon or win a global 
conflict these days. Sad really.

On Nov 13, 2014 7:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
USA: WWI & WWII Back-To-Back Champs

On 11/13/2014 03:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
WWII came out better than most people expected.

bp


On 11/13/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
What hasn't the government fucked up?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:10:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+rand&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA



Juvenile philosophy.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







--
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up"

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I would think so, it probably would be an improvement...

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

If a nuclear weapon takes out Detroit, will that be considered a reclamation 
project?

From: Travis Johnson via Af
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

Didn't that basically already happen to Detroit? :)

Travis

On 11/14/2014 9:16 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
I just finished reading a book that was gov't reports compiled from the 60's  
What I took away from it was if there was just 1 city in the US that was 
attacked, it would disrupt the entire country.  The countrywide healthcare 
system could not handle the number of casualties, Transportation and movement 
of goods would be disrupted and general paranoia would set in.  There didn't 
need to be  full scale attack to bring the country to it's knees.  I think 
their example city was Detroit, and it had far reaching consequences.



On 11/14/2014 9:58 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Everyone knows that.  It's when you encounter nuclear strikes nearby that you 
begin to change things...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
But I never got to use my bomb shelter!  I still have a radiation detector 
around here somewhere and my 1965 civil defense handbook they gave out at 
school.

Did you know that you can survive under a sheet of plywood if you put it in the 
corner of your basement on cinder blocks with bags of sand on top!  Like... who 
knew!

From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

Not unused at all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
How about nuclear weapons?  We sure did those right.
Shame for them to go unused, don’t you think...?

From: Cameron Crum via Af
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"


Of course all those things were 50 to almost 100 years ago. NASA is pretty much 
a joke these days using old faulty Russian boosters, and we are firing the best 
and brightest in our military. I doubt we could go to the moon or win a global 
conflict these days. Sad really.

On Nov 13, 2014 7:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
USA: WWI & WWII Back-To-Back Champs

On 11/13/2014 03:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
WWII came out better than most people expected.

bp


On 11/13/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
What hasn't the government fucked up?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:10:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: "The Government Will Fuck 
the Internet Up"

considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+rand&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA



Juvenile philosophy.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







--
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yep, from what I can see on a quick google search of a pic of the backside of 
that projector, it's definitely a barrel connector.

4.0mm x 1.3mm sounds like kind of an odd size, I doubt you'll find one 
locally... Digikey or MCM is where I'd look.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug

There is definitely a pin present. A 1/8" mono does not fit. I ran with the 
assumption that's what it was based on a Google search and it clearly won't fit.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Chuck McCown via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:09:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug

I was under the impression that screen trigger outputs were standard 1/8th 
phono plugs.  Have you tried to plug one of those in?  Do you know if it is 
coaxial/barrel or phono?
In any event, digikey has everything you can imagine like that.

From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:37 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug

Does anyone know where I can find "a standard 4.0 x 1.3mm 12 Volt power port", 
preferably with a pigtail? It's for the screen trigger output on an InFocus 
projector. That's what InFocus support said I needed to use and that it's 
available in any local electronics store. Well, it's not at Radio Shack. Google 
sure isn't being a lot of help either.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mathew Howard via Af]

The Force110 PTP is different than a normal SM... it's supposed to be the same 
hardware as the Synced APs, but without the GPS, so it has gigabit and whatnot.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


And different firmware!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 7:23 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db dish.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 6:19 PM, "Matt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:
Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Isn't the 2ms without sync?


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force


2ms check again

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/spec-sheets/epmp_force110_ptp_specs/epmp_force110_ptp_specs-2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 19, 2014 7:59 PM, "Matt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:
> The ptp, yes.

Oops, I forgot to include ePMP PTP Force 110 in my question.  Anyone
got there hands on them yet?  Spec sheet says 17ms latency with GPS
enabled in PTP.  Was really hoping for less then that.



>> > Exactly, the force110 based PTP does not include GPS sync
>> >
>>
>> The Force 110 PTP PDF spec sheet states GPS sync.
>>
>> >
>> > The same as any another SM?  It's just a connectorized radio with 25db
>> > dish.
>> >
>>
>> >> Anyone got there hands on an ePMP Force yet?  Curious on actual
>> >> latency and throughput with GPS enabled.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[Mathew Howard via Af]

It certainly seemed that way to me...


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

Is it just me or does the Cambium Survey that says it's for operators seem to 
be more for end users?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yep, could either be a dead AP or a shorted cable... I don't think there's any 
way to tell from the ground.

It is a lot harder to make that decision when someone else is doing the 
climbing... I wouldn't ask anyone to go up in weather I wouldn't climb in 
myself, but then again, I've also climbed in weather I wouldn't tell someone 
else to go up in. I don't think there really is a good rule of thumb, a lot 
depends on what the climber is comfortable with, and experience.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

The radio is pulling too much current.  Probably it is an overload/short.  It 
will fade out and then come on full brightness.  This was the green LED and may 
not exist with the LED anymore, especially since it's a different type of LED.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I’ve never seen a flashing UBNT power supply, what does that mean?  
Overload/short?


From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

its only 100 feet, but its a shitty tower to climb, all angled, one of those 
tripod ones that suck when theyre wet. Ive slipped on this tower
new as in this would be his first unattended climb since training
im assuming its just a bad radio (flashing ubnt power supply, but could be a 
failed cable) on an omni



On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I would worry more about gusts than steady wind, especially for rope work or 
complex positioning.  Might need additional ground crew and taglines, maybe a 
second climber.

When you say new climber, how new?  What kind of training/certification?  
Ultimately you are depending on the climber to call it off if it’s not safe, 
and a newbie might not have the experience to know when it’s not safe.  If 
you’re talking about today, at least it’s been way above freezing the past 2 
days, so the likelihood of rain freezing to the tower should be minimized.

Also, how high are you sending him?  Big difference between 100 and 300 feet.


From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

fun wintery rain sleet snow mix, new climber 38mph wind gusts, ap outage

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Brian Sullivan via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Depends what i'm climbing for.  Repair or upgrade?
Is there rain/sleet/snow mixed with the wind?


On 11/24/2014 10:31 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
whats everybodys rule of thumb for cutting off climbing

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Yes, most likely a dead radio... assuming it's decent cable, that is.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

If it's Ubnt it's probably a dead radio.  Probably 1/10 chance the cable 
shorted.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep, could either be a dead AP or a shorted cable... I don't think there's any 
way to tell from the ground.

It is a lot harder to make that decision when someone else is doing the 
climbing... I wouldn't ask anyone to go up in weather I wouldn't climb in 
myself, but then again, I've also climbed in weather I wouldn't tell someone 
else to go up in. I don't think there really is a good rule of thumb, a lot 
depends on what the climber is comfortable with, and experience.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Josh 
Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

The radio is pulling too much current.  Probably it is an overload/short.  It 
will fade out and then come on full brightness.  This was the green LED and may 
not exist with the LED anymore, especially since it's a different type of LED.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I’ve never seen a flashing UBNT power supply, what does that mean?  
Overload/short?


From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

its only 100 feet, but its a shitty tower to climb, all angled, one of those 
tripod ones that suck when theyre wet. Ive slipped on this tower
new as in this would be his first unattended climb since training
im assuming its just a bad radio (flashing ubnt power supply, but could be a 
failed cable) on an omni



On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I would worry more about gusts than steady wind, especially for rope work or 
complex positioning.  Might need additional ground crew and taglines, maybe a 
second climber.

When you say new climber, how new?  What kind of training/certification?  
Ultimately you are depending on the climber to call it off if it’s not safe, 
and a newbie might not have the experience to know when it’s not safe.  If 
you’re talking about today, at least it’s been way above freezing the past 2 
days, so the likelihood of rain freezing to the tower should be minimized.

Also, how high are you sending him?  Big difference between 100 and 300 feet.


From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wind speed cut off for climbing

fun wintery rain sleet snow mix, new climber 38mph wind gusts, ap outage

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Brian Sullivan via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Depends what i'm climbing for.  Repair or upgrade?
Is there rain/sleet/snow mixed with the wind?


On 11/24/2014 10:31 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
whats everybodys rule of thumb for cutting off climbing

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925




--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I've always avoided using facebook... but there's getting to be too much stuff 
like this on there that's actually worth looking at, I might as well just give 
in.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz

i joined that group a little while ago, I like the pictures they post

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Saw a funny picture yesterday on the topic of "picking up girls"...

It was a picture of some chick with a sentence at the bottom of the picture 
that said "If you're talking to a woman and her voice raises in pitch as she is 
talking to you, it means she likes you!"

Someone had a comment below the picture that said "WOW This explains so much. 
Every woman I talk to sounds like the fucking Batman."

On 11/24/2014 09:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Isn’t “your loss” what guys with bad pickup lines say when rebuffed by the girl 
at the bar?

From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz

I figured the subject was enough of a description, if not accurate.

Your loss?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]


From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:32:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz

At least when you rickroll someone, you provide a plausible reason why someone 
should follow the link.  Wanting someone to log in with their credentials and 
then join a group, without a couple lines of what’s behind Door #1 - give me a 
break.  Is this the modern equivalent of “open your mouth and close your eyes 
and you will get a big surprise”?  Or “here take this pill, all the cool kids 
are doing it”?

Even without the login requirement, I don’t follow obfuscated links without 
some explanation where the link will take me.  If you’re going to post a link 
to the list, take a few seconds and describe what lies on the other side and 
why someone would want to click on the link, otherwise some will, but a lot 
will just delete and move on.


From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz

It isn't Mike's content...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Let's avoid the practice of becoming dependent upon facebook for professional 
purposes...  I'm not going to join a "group".

My facebook account is just about as privacy restricted as it's possible to be, 
and only exists for the purpose of communicating with technology-clueless 
family members who think Facebook = Front Page of the Internet.

If we have the knowledge and technical capability to host our own photos on 
domain names and httpd fully under our control, why not do that?



On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Need to be logged in and wait for an admin to admit you to the group.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Nate Burke via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Link broke? Just takes me to a Facebook login screen.

On 11/24/2014 11:05 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
http://on.fb.me/11Pp5lV



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[X][X][X][X]







--
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com



--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

8pm central is what I heard on the radio on the way home.

I didn't think about listening to the police scanner... this should be 
interesting.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

I think it's due at 8 PM Central.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]


From: "Rory Conaway via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:22:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

That’s awesome.  Did they release the verdict?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner

--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

It makes sense when you think about it that way... they know there's a good 
chance they'll get away with it, with all the other stuff going on keeping the 
police busy.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour


crimes of opportunity.  hey, excuse to break into the liquor store.  free beer!

no relation to anything else.

- Original Message -
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

Destroy your own city, brilliant!

On 11/24/2014 10:23 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
> Toggling between Fox and CNN.People just torching random shit and 
> thieving everything.  Sad.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
> ___
>
>
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
>> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Anything interesting on the scanner?
>>
>> Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
>>> I'm completely speechless.
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Tyler Treat
>>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> 
>>> <mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy via Af 
>>>> mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> woot
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
>>>> mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 8pm central is what I heard on the radio on the way home.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think about listening to the police scanner... this
>>>> should be interesting.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
>>>> on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 7:23 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here
>>>> in an hour
>>>>
>>>> I think it's due at 8 PM Central.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From: *"Rory Conaway via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> 
>>>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com<mailto:*af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 7:22:34 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here
>>>> in an hour
>>>>
>>>> That�s awesome.  Did they release the verdict?
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 6:01 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in
>>>> an hour
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
>>>> that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
>>>> Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a
>>>> reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance
>>>> manual, 1925
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
>>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you 
>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do 
>>>> not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

hopefully... some probably will, at least, but I'm sure an awful lot of them 
won't.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jay Weekley via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

There are a lot of cameras in the area. Hopefully some will be prosecuted.

Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
> It makes sense when you think about it that way... they know there's a
> good chance they'll get away with it, with all the other stuff going
> on keeping the police busy.
>
> 
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
> [af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in
> an hour
>
> crimes of opportunity.  hey, excuse to break into the liquor store.
> free beer!
> no relation to anything else.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here
> in an hour
>
> Destroy your own city, brilliant!
>
> On 11/24/2014 10:23 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
> > Toggling between Fox and CNN.People just torching random
> shit and thieving everything.  Sad.
> >
> > ___
> > Mangled by my iPhone.
> > ___
> >
> > Tyler Treat
> > Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
> >
> > tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com <mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
> > ___
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jay Weekley via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anything interesting on the scanner?
> >>
> >> Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
> >>> I'm completely speechless.
> >>>
> >>> ___
> >>> Mangled by my iPhone.
> >>> ___
> >>>
> >>> Tyler Treat
> >>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
> >>>
> >>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> <mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
> <mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
> >>> ___
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy via Af
> mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> woot
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Mathew Howard via Af
> mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> 8pm central is what I heard on the radio on the way home.
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't think about listening to the police scanner... this
> >>>> should be interesting.
> >>>>
> 
> >>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
> >>>> on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 7:23 PM
> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting
> listening here
> >>>> in an hour
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it's due at 8 PM Central.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -
> >>>> Mike Hammett
> >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
> 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%3E%3Chttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputing

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has always been 
happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally would never be 
heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided that it was a good 
opportunity for rioting.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

>Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly become 
more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last year there 
hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the last several years 
(as of the last year report I read).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.
It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...

But seriously -

Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here in Saratoga 
Springs.
Kid had a replica sword.  Walking around near a gas station, morning, not any 
people around.
Someone called it in, kid was looking/acting a bit goofy.
Cops chased him around and shot him in the back 6 or 7 times.

No looting and riots.  Just peaceful sad gatherings.

From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

none will be prosecuted, they all have the ACLU hotline written on their arm, 
there are hundreds of lawyers on site just for this, everything is a civil 
rights issue, even stealing TVs.

Ive been listening to http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573/web really 
good dispatchers, these guys have to be under stress, they keep having missing 
cops, even though you know theyll turn up its got to put a pit in your stomach 
every time.

Apparently in utah now, getting killed by cops is the number one murder 
according to some headlines, is this true chuck, are your cops randomly killing 
poeple now?

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
There are a lot of cameras in the area. Hopefully some will be prosecuted.

Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
It makes sense when you think about it that way... they know there's a good 
chance they'll get away with it, with all the other stuff going on keeping the 
police busy.


*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of CBB 
- Jay Fuller via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

crimes of opportunity.  hey, excuse to break into the liquor store.  free beer!
no relation to anything else.

- Original Message -
*From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*To:* af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here
in an hour

Destroy your own city, brilliant!

On 11/24/2014 10:23 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
> Toggling between Fox and CNN.People just torching random
shit and thieving everything.  Sad.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> 
<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
> ___
>
>
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Anything interesting on the scanner?
>>
>> Tyler Treat via Af wrote:
>>> I'm completely speechless.
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Tyler Treat
>>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I saw a comment somewhere last night... "Early Black Friday sale, everything 
100% off in Ferguson".


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.
When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins and 
burglaries.
One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out in 2 
minutes.
The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.

Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they never 
helped the cops catch anyone.

From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those stores that 
needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have ignored it all 
together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who they are, its what 
they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them and do them. We really 
arent any different than them

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One comment I 
heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that [the media] had 
in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be really disappointed.  
Expectations lead to results.

If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected tonight, We 
expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?



On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has always been 
happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally would never be 
heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided that it was a good 
opportunity for rioting.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Josh 
Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

>Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly become 
more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last year there 
hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the last several years 
(as of the last year report I read).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.
It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...

But seriously -

Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here in Saratoga 
Springs.
Kid had a replica sword.  Walking around near a gas station, morning, not any 
people around.
Someone called it in, kid was looking/acting a bit goofy.
Cops chased him around and shot him in the back 6 or 7 times.

No looting and riots.  Just peaceful sad gatherings.

From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

none will be prosecuted, they all have the ACLU hotline written on their arm, 
there are hundreds of lawyers on site just for this, everything is a civil 
rights issue, even stealing TVs.

Ive been listening to http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573/web really 
good dispatchers, these guys have to be under stress, they keep having missing 
cops, even though you know theyll turn up its got to put a pit in your stomach 
every time.

Apparently in utah now, getting killed by cops is the number one murder 
according to some headlines, is this true chuck, are your cops randomly killing 
poeple now?

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
There are a lot of cameras in the area. Hopefully some will be prosecuted.

Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
It makes sense when you think about it that way... they know there's a good 
chance they'll get away with it, with all the other stuff going on keeping the 
police busy.


*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on beh

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

You're right! now I feel terrible for saying such a thing. That day needs to be 
renamed, somebody needs to start a protest or something. :P

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

Black Friday... now that is just racist!

From: Mathew Howard via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

I saw a comment somewhere last night... "Early Black Friday sale, everything 
100% off in Ferguson".


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.
When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins and 
burglaries.
One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out in 2 
minutes.
The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.

Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they never 
helped the cops catch anyone.

From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those stores that 
needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have ignored it all 
together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who they are, its what 
they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them and do them. We really 
arent any different than them

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One comment I 
heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that [the media] had 
in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be really disappointed.  
Expectations lead to results.

If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected tonight, We 
expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?



On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has always been 
happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally would never be 
heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided that it was a good 
opportunity for rioting.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Josh 
Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

>Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly become 
more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last year there 
hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the last several years 
(as of the last year report I read).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.
It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...

But seriously -

Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.

We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here in Saratoga 
Springs.
Kid had a replica sword.  Walking around near a gas station, morning, not any 
people around.
Someone called it in, kid was looking/acting a bit goofy.
Cops chased him around and shot him in the back 6 or 7 times.

No looting and riots.  Just peaceful sad gatherings.

From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

none will be prosecuted, they all have the ACLU hotline written on their arm, 
there are hundreds of lawyers on site just for this, everything is a civil 
rights issue, even stealing TVs.

Ive been listening to http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573/web really 
good dispatchers, these guys have to be under stress, they keep having missing 
cops, even though you know theyll turn up its got to put a pit in your stomach 
every time.

Apparently in utah now, getting killed by cop

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[Mathew Howard via Af]

It's kind of like whenever they close down a K-Mart or something like that... 
they start off by putting everything in the store something like 10% off, but 
there are no more sale prices, so half the stuff is the more than it was the 
day before, but the store will be completely packed with people buying anything 
they can get there hands on - even though they could go across the street to 
Walmart and pay less for the same thing any day.

It doesn't really have to be a good deal, people just need to think it is... 
mostly so they have an excuse to buy something they don't really need.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Matt Hardy via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

I worked retail in high school & college, and every Black Friday, we'd put up 
some signs saying we were having deals, but everything was the same price.

The lines from the cash registers would line up to the back of the store, 
people waiting in line to pay the same price they'd pay the week before or 
after. Never understood it ;)



On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I have another set of words for BF regarding those..  "deals".



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From: "Caleb Knauer via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-)

It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the
BF "deals".

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> It more that the big stores are "technically" in the red until that
> Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when
> they make all their profit for the year.
>
> Travis
>
> On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:
>
> If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your
> business is bad and you should feel bad.  And you won't see next year.
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and
>> negative numbers red.  Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn
>> black.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af 
>> mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the
>>> black, at least thats what I was told.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af 
>>> mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at
>>>> Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”.  Does anyone
>>>> know what the actual history of the name is?  I always thought it was a
>>>> reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the
>>>> black” financially for the year.  Is it really a reference to the almost 
>>>> mob
>>>> atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that is racist.  Of
>>>> course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Black Friday... now that is just racist!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Mathew Howard via Af
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] I have personally done this

[Mathew Howard via Af]

That's just cool! but... shouldn't you be dead or have grown an extra eye or 
something by now?


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I have personally done this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91xkISmp2g

Turn captions on, set translation to English.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: 2.4 Stinger

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Neat stuff.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw:  2.4 Stinger

This is the one that got stripped earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dHuHmJtn4s&feature=youtu.be

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 Stinger

Looks like  the video got removed.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 2.4 Stinger

I wonder if this  is too big for the list server.
Robot trimming plastic.  I always enjoy seeing the robots do their thing.

Re: [AFMUG] I have personally done this

[Mathew Howard via Af]

He's Russian... he'll be fine.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 4:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I have personally done this

That kid will never have kids!

Creative use of a microwave oven though.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91xkISmp2g

Turn captions on, set translation to English.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

[Mathew Howard via Af]

My Porsche has the filter sticking straight up, but there's check valve in the 
filter, so most of the oil stays in it when you take it off... which is still 
slightly messy, but not bad.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

Our Tacomas have a filter that sticks straight up, but there's a "skirt" around 
the base with a hole that feeds a tube that comes out down by the oil pan.  
When you unscrew the filter (which is a piece of cake because it's right there 
front and center), you just loosen it enough for all the oil to drain down the 
tube (which you've placed an oil pan under).  When it's done, remove the rest 
of the way, wipe, lube, screw on the new one.


--
bp




On 11/29/2014 4:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that make it 
incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in 
for the major service interval at the dealer.   They carry the oil I use and I 
figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use 
normally.

Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore.  I've discovered that 
throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little 
time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will do it before 
a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the 
car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything 
back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me 
less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what 
oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.

Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes 
from the dealer.


On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change 
the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their 
when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some heated discussions 
concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a 
review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both 
vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me.  
Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on his oil 
filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.

Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet account) 
for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year 
before.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site

[Mathew Howard via Af]

I'm assuming he means the sectors, and no... I don't think there is any built 
in down tilt - at least I can't see it on the spec sheet.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site

I don't think you can make a dish with EDT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Gotcha.  Notice they all came with gps receiversis there any built in 
downtilt on the antennas?
i assume not

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp - multi site

SyncInjector Gige.  Don't forget a sync pipe basic if you want to sync =P  All 
you need is one pair of leads and you can power 4 radios.  Very clean and easy.

If you don't want to sync, I think the POE injector would work (not certain).  
You can sync with the GPS antenna, but Forrest will always preach you want one 
sync source per site and I'm a fan of taking good free advice.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

so wanting to put 3 or 4 of these on a tower.  We can use the included power 
supplies - but would forrest's power injector work?  I know these are gigabit 
enabled radios

which model injector from forrest?