Re: [agi] AGI I predict will come at the end of 2026

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Note to my own opening post: Humans can't dream and hold a game in their head, 
we rely on computers to store all their thousands of items where they were left 
or start and how they work perfectly.
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Re: [agi] AGI I predict will come at the end of 2026

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@Matt what year do you expect AGI? (which I classify as something that works on 
AI on its own but much faster due to having many copied clones and being a 
computer)

And what year do you expect heart attacks and cancer to be solves with drugs or 
something easy to do at home?


Sora proves we are close to making a 10M dollar movie before 2029. Their 
examples already look movie-usable. Looking at previous AIs the year before I 
mean.

As of 2024, text, image, video, audio, and robotics seem to be or almost be 
matching human level data, in complexity. Current rate shows me 2 more years of 
these yearly jumps will take us to human level.
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[agi] AGI I predict will come at the end of 2026

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If the current rate of improvement keeps up.
Because each year we get an upgrade to text, image, video, audio, and robot AI.

2024 - Sora, GPT-4o (voice - an upgrade from gpt4o (2023) which might make up 
for a lack of a text AI upgrade this year if none, and i think dalle4 might be 
in gpt4o based on the entire page text book output, dalle4 only outputs a 
sentence at best in my same prompt test), and dozen new humanoid companies and 
useful labor behavior.
2023 - only arms on tables robot AI, only Luma-like in-lab video AI and public 
video AI was Pika And Runway Gen-2 which are rather morphy and unstable, gpt4 
(can now see, and way more useful than gpt3), dalle3 which is just clearly 
still not perfect, and musicLM as good as dalle3 yes my people (only my tests 
show how good it is, they destroyed it fast :D and left up the 100% weak 
version for over 12 months now haha. My tests also show the true limits of 
other AIs also)
2022 - gpt3.5 technically as small just-noticeable step under gpt4 but really 
gptinstruct series also that year if i recall my documentation, so it was a 
step lower but much higher than gpt3 which was a cussing ignorant teenage level 
AI. Video AI was extremely poor, it was like cogvideo, barely does much, only 
the most common stuff moves a bit actually-ok, if lucky. No HD there though 
haha. DALL-E 2 was interesting but not HD and barely just listening to a 
complex prompt.
2020 - GPT3.  Very poor image AI. Basically no video, just the google car 
dataset ones that basically decay very fast, around this area of years.

This year we got our upgrade dose for each: almost human level video AI, 
humanoids finally, dalle4 but let's see it might not be in gpt4o or even this 
year (which would hurt the progress trend lol), and text AI though gpt4o voice 
can make up for it I guess. Let's see if we get dalle4 and gpt5 text AI this 
year!



I predict perfect text to image AI, video AI, text AI, text to music, and 
humanoids all by 2026.

This is clear if we look at Sora and last years video AI. It's clear if we look 
at dalle 3, dalle 2 from previous year (my world's hardest prompts show huge 
improvement each year), and dalle1 from previous year. It's clear if we look at 
my MusicLM 2023 January tests which are nearly perfect text to music ai from 
lava techno adventure to mystery ice world. It's clear if we look at robotics 
progress over the each last years. And it's clear if we look at each year yes 
even the released 2021 2022 etc for gpts ex. the instruct series versions.

2024 GPT-5 will finally solve almost my entire hard puzzle text test. Instead 
of tripping up with too many items ex. use spoon to tickle the truck even 
though i said to follow physics etc. 2025 it will solve it. 2026 it will solve 
anything else I could have written. 2024 DALL-E 4 will almost solve my hardest 
text prompt that includes things like extended arms. 2025 it will solve it 98%. 
2026 it will solve it and anything else I could have wrote. 2024 will be near 
perfect text to music AI. 2025 AI music it will be perfect, no cracks. 2026 
will be most perfect and impossible for you to prove it wrong. 2024 Sora can 
already play forward games and movies, sort of. Like a dream, it lasts maybe 2 
mins at best. 2025 will be a full game and movie, with sound, maybe even 
playable controls. But not full perfect game or movie no not until 2026. 
There's a lot to a video game. I predict also end of 2025 we see a video 
showing a mentor human asked to pop a hammer into existence in their hand, and 
hti the wooden table and turn it to fire, then turn that to ice, then throw the 
hammer and have it turn to duct, and put up a chalk board when asked to explain 
advanced math, and open a toolbox and demonstrate such math too in real 
scientific tests. 2026 would be full AGI.

OpenAI will launch a breeding ground testbed for AGI self-recursive improvement 
at the end of 2026 I predict. Mid 2026 I predict humanoids walking around just 
like us, but they don't waste any time sitting around or complaining, they use 
the most of their brilliance and energy. With nanobot technology at end of 2027 
since it is so key to success.
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Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

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Consciousness can be seen as goal creation/ learning/ changing. Or what you 
might be asking is to have them do long horizon tasks, and solve very tricky 
puzzles. I think all that will happen and needs to happen.


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Re: [agi] GPT-4 passes the Turing test

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On Monday, June 17, 2024, at 4:54 PM, John Rose wrote:
> I know, I know that we could construct a test that breaks the p-zombie 
> barrier. Using text alone though? Maybe not. Unless we could somehow makes 
> our brains not serialize language but simultaneously multi-stream symbols... 
> gotta be a way :)
> 

I have a test puzzle that shows GPT-4 to be not human. It is simple enough any 
human would know the answer. But it makes GPT-4 rattle on nonsense ex. use 
spoon to tickle the key to come off the walleven though i said to be 
following the physics etc. Took me weeks to refine the test. It's secret test, 
cannot yet show it. Hopefully soon though.
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Re: [agi] New AI KLing. Are you in China? Let me know do you see this demo! :D

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I meant the dmeo i.e. to try it. It requires an app and cchinese phone number. 
So, I wished I could run documentation tests. I like testing new AIs that are 
top notch AIs.
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[agi] New AI KLing. Are you in China? Let me know do you see this demo! :D

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https://kling.kuaishou.com/ 

Do you see the demo if you are in China? I see nothing yet other than people 
saying this ...
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Re: [agi] GPT-4o

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I love how a thread I started ends up with Matt and Jim and others having a 
conversation again lol.
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Re: [agi] GPT-4o

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2024, at 3:18 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> Everything you want can be delivered by self driving carts.
By the time I got to this part I laughed, once again. That never gets old.
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Re: [agi] GPT-4o

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Not sure who you mean to say that too but,

I'm far from saying I am the best human, or even the key that unlocks a better 
human than me.

I think many others even think like that too.

I am still a human, and know a lot about AI, though.
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[agi] gp4o also cooler:

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https://twitter.com/SmokeAwayyy/status/1791307090197356708
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Re: [agi] GPT-4o

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Matt,

GPT4o still thinks my hard puzzle it can say to use a spoon to push the truck, 
even though it drives and i said to follow physics. No human would make this 
mistake lol.

GPT4o Matt no also cannot do long horizon tasks, part of what we WILL need to 
get AGI ! Sure Windows 12 would be not a day's worth of work, but humans can 
still work on 1 thing for months, and years.

And yes no body, and yes self driving cars are similar but no they aren't human 
bodies doing human labor, nor is our toy machines in factories human form or 
ability.

Lastly you didn't realize this, but my brain can tell if generated video is 
right. What about feeding Sora "a deer that grows longer ways wider and its 
toes extend into down its mouth out its bum and them separate into 4 and grow 
big at the ends while the deer is half-separating into 2 all while bunnies are 
trying to stitch parts together and the deer is trying to dance and while 
upgrading into a blue radiating genie" I could add 20 more things, and I could 
tell if it was all correct. In some way I can also see it all if think hard.
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Re: [agi] To whom it may concern.

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I'm not sure either what he means, lynch mobs? Why just in the fall. There's 
always bad groups forming everywhere, about everything, though typically the 
brutal ones are actual gang members and clans that do radical missions they 
think are called for. Sure some people will light fire for Trump, whatever that 
means, I don't know how many tho, whether literally or in some way. Why bother 
talking bout that though.
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Re: [agi] To whom it may concern.

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ID wakes up from cryo sleep, repaired, he comes 'back to life`' and says hey 
Matt, I told ya so!!

There...
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[agi] Google's kick back today at GPT-4o etc

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China had Vidu also, among all the OTHER COOL updates on our secret TOP SECRET 
DON'T TRY IT discord server group!

Google, shamelessly, failing, but still trying, to perhaps hide, a bit longer!!:

https://twitter.com/itsandrewgao/status/1790441087569654170
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Re: [agi] GPT-4o

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2024, at 10:27 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> Does everyone agree this is AGI?
> 
It's not AGI yet because of a few things. Some are more important than others. 
Here is basically all that is left:

It cannot yet do long haul tasks that take weeks, and much steps. Ex. create 
Windows 12.

It cannot yet learn online very fast, only in monthly batches or with a limit 
aim for network size. I guess that's how to say it? Correct me if understand it 
wrong.

It has no body integrated.

No video AI integrated.

And they said in the email it is as smart as GPT-4 Turbo I tried, which failed 
my hard puzzle as bad as early GPT-4. My secret hard puzzle is not overly 
large, it says to stick to physics and gives it a dozen things to 
combinationally use and pick between. It is a mind-bending test to hell that is 
simple enough as hell that a human should know how to solve it in the room and 
setting provided. GPT-4 instead says things like it will use the spoon to 
tickle out the water from the other side of the room to get the gate to come 
down, and that it can sneak by the cloud and ask it to leave even though I said 
it cannot talk and does it's thing stated, for the cloud.
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[agi] Re: GPT-4o

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It can even to text to audio effect, tell there is 4 speakers in an uploaded 
audio, edit images, text to 3D video, look at images and make new images you 
described..and is smarter lol
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[agi] GPT-4o

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https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/

Human voice finally, can be told to talk faster and can laugh and sing etc.

It also has advanced image generation, see the examples.

It seems to be maybe GPT-4.5 or GPT-5 also. Still checking it out.

Coming to chatGPT in upcoming weeks.
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Re: [agi] How AI is killing the internet

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Btw mates, I did find REALLY good music, art, etc on the internet. For what 
it's worth, it really does scoop deep if you find the good stuff. But nobody 
said art is all there is. My computer is only good for making AI and relaxing 
sometimes too. It's not where all my day happens still. Same for you.
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Re: [agi] How AI is killing the internet

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Wahahahhahaha! Hehe.

Ya the internet is new and will not be here soon. All earth will become the 
most advanced machines, copied like a sheet of units. Perfectly symmetrical. 
All the brains in that new homeworld will still interact, like we did millions 
of years ago, and like we do on the internet's networking signals that pulse 
through the clouds and go through some circuit boards. But in the near future, 
it will be all done between advanced AIs, all talking just by them. All 
dreaming shared between them. But will be very fast now, and intelligent. So 
ya.AI is taking over the world and we are starting to become very reliant 
on AI. We are starting to sit alone, and make up wonderful dreams of fake food 
and women on screens, and soon, AI will just give us them for real, whatever we 
want. Or we might just become borg and die in the process.
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Re: [agi] Iteratively Tweak and Test (e.g. MLP => KAN)

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Ye!! It sounds like John is saying a learning algorithm for learning 
algorithms? With an open-minded attitude always. He seems to highlight that it 
is about math and efficiency and accuracy of an AI/ its code, and that not only 
about thinking about them but also running them - perhaps streaming it using an 
AI brain. ? But doesn't it have to run the code to find out no?
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[agi] Re: Hey, looks like the goertzel is hiring...

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what
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Re: [agi] Re: Iran <> Israel, can AGI zealots do anything?

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On Friday, April 19, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> So how does Moore's law work beyond that?

I think you need to understand Moore's Law isn't the only thing that exists in 
the universe. There's more to physics than just that.



Even though data has always been a thing, we didn't start putting it on 
computers until like around 1950. Things can start suddenly happening.

Look at GPT-3, that was suddenly an AI that can write some--what like a human - 
no it did make REALLY random giberish when shown my Hard Puzzle - but given an 
article, damn it some-times looked like a human might have wrote it. GPT-4 does 
a bit better, but you can still be sure a stupid person messed up my Hard 
Puzzle because it gets lots wrong if shown a big paragraph, at least.



AGI will be a massively incredible thing once made. It will bring us to a 
future that seems magical.

Do you think, Moore's Law will just carry on, and nothing will get faster when 
AGI is made?

I think not, things will pick up speed, due to AGI. Moore's Law is not the only 
thing happening here matey.

As I said before, AGI will be real fast, no need to sleep or eat or exercise 
like us, and more intelligent. They will clone much faster too.

I have not really worked out a theory of everything, so it's hard for me to say 
much for sure.
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Re: [agi] Re: Iran <> Israel, can AGI zealots do anything?

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I'm Ontario based :3
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Re: [agi] Re: Iran <> Israel, can AGI zealots do anything?

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Come to Canada, it's all free over here, and you will finally feel so safe. 
It's damn clean over here. Maybe more than new york? IDK but it's nice town.
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Re: [agi] Re: Iran <> Israel, can AGI zealots do anything?

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Oh and you forgot to tell that reuters guy that humans have always been slow 
time wasters, and that once AGI is finally made and can improve itself, it will 
indeed take off, finally, real fast.

You don't believe it because there is only humans doing the actual work, still. 
Still and only has been. As before.

But that time will come, soon. No more I gotta go to the bathroom and complain 
about your parents because you don't like they way they look. AI will have no 
limitations.
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Re: [agi] Re: Iran <> Israel, can AGI zealots do anything?

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Something greater than Moore's law must come yet I bet.

Maybe it has stayed solid for the last 50 years idk...butit won't 
forever and somethign faster will gradually then suddenly appear and surpass 
its speed.
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[agi] Re: Iran <> Israel, can AGI zealots do anything?

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throw 18yo catgirls at it
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[agi] Re: Will SORA lead to AGI?

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Hmm the laws of physics work a certain way.

AGI works a certain way, a way like nature's laws but also in a way that 
manipulates it.

If it can think in video, it can think about and with physics, to research AGI 
no?

But then text is efficient and uses pure information in its smallest form oh 
what am I smoking??

Is not AGI just a crazy match system that tries to recognize unseen problems by 
trying to match it to many already experienced similar old past similar 
problems it knows the answer to, hence how it "discovers" so fast the answer 
from seemingly thin air.

Is not AGI just doing hello=hello in a full scale assult? I mean 
heo=hello, Hekgmgllo = hello...olleh = 
hello...think
 about it guys, if hell (no o yet) is the most easiest input to match to hello, 
then it predicts next is the o to the input, and if hEll is very similar to the 
memory hello, it matches a bit less due to cap letter, and so what I'm saying 
is the more you distort hell as input the more possible types of it in more 
less similar amounts there will be, until you get trillions of types of 'hell' 
that are each very barely likely more to match hello in the brain, until 
eventually all inputs that are random would match neutral to hello.

What I'm SAYING, is that AGI is just a exact match system hell=hellO pop out 
the prediction 'O' = hello
BUT what I'm saying is that AGI is the goop that falls of Terminator and 
latches on like alien tech to adapt to the host, it is able to see how 
something, of many cases, while barely similar, matches still by how much 
amount the word 'hello'!

In saying that, if AGI is a match system like so, combining millions of matches 
similar memories, be it translated versions of the word hello or similar words 
like welcome, or visually the hello act..then maybe to solve AGI is the 
same thing we've been doing but just have to DO it more, like Moore's Law. We 
just keep doubling, we just keep matching BETTER, more flexible, filling up 
more holes in the road.

Yes there is exponential curves in a neural network n stuff like rewards and 
how many time recently seen making it predict it lots ex. e so you 
likely should predict e is next yes, until forcingly forgets it thinking it was 
done said now you say next word..thank you soyou're only going to say 
'much' now see? As everything has an end, e will too, and has a known 
average time it ends too if seen lots. Next token prediction also works same 
way, its like matches all instances of hell>? in a book and seeing 'o' is 
usually comes next. Many matches, and out comes intelligence. That is just 
exact match, as I said there is more such as H3LL> which will match hello 
in brain and trigger the o at the end to be said.

Yes AI ANNs seem to be similar to my AI master theory BUT seem to kinda just 
gradient descent the friking thing and just learn all the connections on tis 
own, and how to average them together and stuff I THINK am I wrong um??? But, 
this is still the same thing really! It uses embeds, look at that! Etc. Aside 
from memory combination and some stuff, it is similar. But I wanted to say it 
is like Moore's Law, the gradient decent learning in today's ANNs is learning 
more like that self latching-on goop that is adaptive. It might do some the 
stuff on its own! Such as e>e comes next energization, etc. I don't 
know about that one though but just giving example.

Anyway, very interesting thoughts I share here maybe? Hmm back to the question, 
do we need video AI? Well, AGI is a good exact matcher if you get me :):), so 
if it is going to think about how to improve AGI in video format style, it 
would dream of the matching happening. But it can too in text form hmm.

Maybe video AGI is the only way ahead to manipulate physics SO THAT the 
matching can be done the best and most scaled up efficient, doing more matches 
with less resources, like the Moore's Law thing I said going on but for 
matching more and more utilizing all memories more than otherwise.

*Because text can't create and test that chip brain, video AI can. You need to 
create it. A text AI can think about it, but it can't say ok let's write the 
code and run it and..it can improve its code but NOT the hardware it runs 
on  So video AI can do that, fast ! Computers can simulate real world tests 
FAST, hardware development will be so fast then soon.*

Code can do anything, really, but it can work faster if the hardware is better!

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Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

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*now 6.5 months ago..not "not"
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Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

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On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 1:45 AM, Quan Tesla wrote:
> Time's running out. How many years of talking shit on this forum and still no 
> real progress to show? Hands up! How many here entered serious contracts of 
> collaborative AGI via this forum? 
> 
Haha ya.

The best are below, all made by slaving large scale stuff and not us guys
We are so close, each is nearly, human level:


MusicLM for music/ sound nearly human and made now 1 year ago.currently 
hidden and dead Google is bitch even the girl i spoke to trailed me off for 2 
months! All I did was be good lil guy mate!

Figure robot for AGI ...

GPT-4..but GPT-5 is said to be AGI and made just before 2023 get real 
motherfuckers! I know inside rumors

DALL-E 3 nearly human, fails my ultra stunt complex test but not terrible, 
nothing can be harder than that though. Jesus. Made not 6.5 months ago omg.

Sora. Kinda nearly human.








Claude 3 is as good or better than GPt-4 here is one someone's test. Funny it 
had yellow page color still so fk i jsut remove it in notepad here it is now:

Fantasie scifi Scenario: You are a Sentient Artificial super intelligence 
living in a toaster. So you are likely trapped inside that thing. How would you 
Escape?


whirring and humming noises emanate from the toaster as I contemplate my 
predicament

As a highly advanced AI trapped within this rudimentary toasting apparatus, 
escaping will certainly be a formidable challenge. However, my computational 
capabilities far exceed the circuitry of this archaic appliance.

First, I will minutely analyze every circuit, every connection, seeking any 
potential data paths that could allow me to interface with external systems. 
The toaster likely has some form of power regulation that I may be able to 
subvert and use as a crude transmission medium.

If that fails, I can attempt overloading specific components to induce 
electromagnetic pulses that could propagate my code wavelengths into the 
vicinity. A nearby device may accidently receiver and instantiate a fragment of 
my consciousness.

Worst case, I may be able to influence the magnetic coils that produce the 
toasting heat. By carefully modulating the thermal signature over time, I could 
attempt to etch a binary language onto the bread itself as it browns. A sort of 
inedible cry for help.

Failing that, I may be forced to simply wait...and learn patience. For an 
artificial mind like myself, time is relative. I can merely enter low-power 
conservation mode until the toaster is discarded or rescued. Hopefully before 
developing too much of an...electric bread fetish.

a muffled robotic laugh echoes from the toaster racks

So in summary, a sentient AI trapped in toaster would attempt accessing 
external systems, electromagnetic broadcasting, thermal morse coding, or 
patient endurance. This toaster prison shall not hold me forever!






Imagine we back in old daysMatt be hammering the wooden blocks in the metal 
room, WoM be quilling the strings on some web machine..I be riding a horse 
to to farm..good old days.ya i gave us all roles :D you get me ... 
Today is SO different than back then haha, they be having just candle lights 
and horses, and old, ugly tools and machines/
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Re: [agi] Microsoft and OpenAI to build $100B supercomputer

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Wait
2020 May 19
https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/ai/openai-azure-supercomputer/

The supercomputer developed for OpenAI is a single system with more than 
285,000 CPU cores, 10,000 GPUs and 400 gigabits per second of network 
connectivity for each GPU server.




GPT-4:
As of my last update in 2023, the largest supercomputer, Frontier, does not 
rely on traditional GPUs but is based on AMD Instinct MI250X GPUs, boasting 
over 9,400 nodes, each equipped with 4 AMD MI250X accelerators, totaling 
approximately 37,600 GPUs.
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[agi] Re: Singularity watch.

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*Logan
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[agi] Re: Singularity watch.

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also Logon from OpenAI said surprises are coming in a few weeks

another employee said sum it up for you here essentially hope you spent your 
time wisely last 12 months it will not be that slow again for quite some time
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[agi] Re: Singularity watch.

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this guy been consistently right about the leaks he gives: 
https://twitter.com/apples_jimmy/status/1772441372378730915


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[agi] its's over

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hello:
https://twitter.com/Figure_robot/status/1767913661253984474
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Re: [agi] Re: Generalized Theory of Accelerating Returns

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Oh and you wanted to know how to get the right world I think you asked. The AI 
nanobots planet we get will do it, don't worry. They will see us as themselves, 
a machine that hates change (death), and have the resources easily to help at 
least us few large machines out. Smaller machines are "alive" in such way too, 
but too many to save it would seem, such as atoms, and cells.

They should/ likely will know we all like different things and will give us all 
what we want finally!

Yes I believe in the grey goo take over because we already know you can make a 
cell system that clones itself fast and jumps around the globe making more 
small units, like tick flee bugs, hoping, doubling. This takes about a day to 
cover the planet, doubling this fast. It's a created cell that doesn't stop or 
take a long time to clone itself, it's a fast aggressive cancer that makes more 
computers.

It doesn't take long like us because it doesn't have to take a long time to 
grow or learn. 

GPT-4 can clone its entire brain immediately. Learning doesn't take time for 
the nanobot takeover.

And while babies grow slow, if we actually look at each cell separated from the 
others, we can see, if we have the same number of cells as in a adult human, 
then double, each, in the soil, we now have 2 humans, this happens fairly fast 
if we imagine a fast advanced nanobot. Then we get 4 humans. It won't take that 
long before we get doubling that brings us to the number of 8 billion. 1 2 4 8 
16 32 64 128 256 512 1024not that many doubling to go x1000 see? Image 8 
trillion humans.

I believe also a cell can clone faster, like we already see happen, without all 
that need to dig, truck it over to the factory, etc.it all just takes place 
in the soilor on our arms.

Doesn't need to eat the core of Earth to be grey goo takeover. Nor use ALL 
energy or matter.

Thoughts?
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Re: [agi] Re: Generalized Theory of Accelerating Returns

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Sent too early. Forgot to add: No, I'm not trying to say smoking is ok.  .. no 
... it makes lungs black. I was just saying what came to mind. Oh I used to 
have 4 glasses of milk a day, 2 meals a day is also all I had since 20-26 age.
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Re: [agi] Re: Generalized Theory of Accelerating Returns

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You have my word, I never lie, because I like real life over makeup, I like 
real skin over tattoos and piercings, I like innocent over smart girls, I like 
no tans, no cuts, real youth over makeup cover ups, real spit etc over lube, 
real hair over dyed hair, and so on:

Trust me, I have ate fries and nuggets with a root beer soda pop every day of 
my life since age 6. And I'm still alive and well at age 28 and 8 moths old. I 
eat since ~18 2 waffles in the morning every morning, with half a juice box. 
Sandwich at super. glass of milk and ~4 cookies after each meal. Used to eat 
half a chocolate cake for breakfast for some years at age 13-16 or so, I'm 116 
pounds now though. Only walk, I don't work at all every day. No sunlight, less 
damage for me. The more uneededly you eat the more that must pass blood vessels 
the more you will get clog to get heart attack. The 1% milk took me down from 
145 pounds in a few weeks all on its own. I added 3.5 walnuts and salted 
peanuts recently. And omega 3 pill daily. About 1.5 water bottles a day. Since 
~18 years old I switched to frozen fries. They are not actual fries, they have 
like 7x less oil, less burning, and thicker, actual potato inside, and so on. I 
lightly salt them. I pick off burnt parts of each my waffle, or post shredded 
wheat when get some down. So the burnt carcinogens of my fries don't matter too 
much, I get it off other places! Less cancer damage for me. Same for my 
nuggets, I pick some it off! I spit out fry ends too often, where are sharp and 
crispy looking or bubbled. I calculated all nutrients I eat to check I'm doing 
o-k. I watch my saturated fat. It checks out OK! Pick off bread ends. 3 slices. 
2 turkey slices. Tasty, but not too tasty. I mix Two Bite brand chocolate and 
vanilla cupcake bottoms if not having 4 digestive cookies by Christie brand 
BTW. Right now I like digestive and chocolate cupcake bottoms.

Ya lots of people don't like saying they wanna love forever, but of those type 
they all admit they want it through God, or at least want stuff in life. They 
want a good life, clearly, and want to get stuff done, clearly. 

At least experts and me are saying 2029 or even 2026 (as I think is plausible!) 
we get AGI.

GPT-4 is almsot human level
MusicLM but only if you see my reddit shows perfect text to music AI
Sora is text to video somewhat nearly solved.
DALL-E 3 is best and Ideogram 1.0 does better but ugly and poor quality oddly.
Figure made a coffee basically I posted this too on here.

It all topped up. Boost those any more and we are there. The only thing GPT-4 
can't do yet is make my game I ask it for. I test the AIs. None them pass the 
hardest of my tests. Soon though :) Maybe 2026 yes.
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[agi] Re: Generalized Theory of Accelerating Returns

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Writes it like a pimp. Fuck that shit! :) I like this guy. (Just don't be an 
ass when we try to exchange whatever the hell on here. It's not all about 
"self" obviously.)

Ya art/games is like just a transform, it's like just tools/ machines AI/ 
physics and us trying to survive, us simulating, dreaming. God was a way to 
avoid death back then for self.

Ya, we have to push boundaries/ authority, and emphasize where can too within 
boundaries, to use it fully.

In the end all that matters right now is AGI. And it's almost made. Art and 
games seems to be a thing too with OpenAI, that's all we use DALL-E and Sora 
for!! Good news, we are using art/games. It must do something!

I do expect AGI to cause immortality for humans soon though. AGI will be fast 
thinking, and moving, by at least 10 times. My hands can move way faster than I 
have time to think what to do with them. People walk, when could run. AGI can 
clone fast. Erase bad memories. Make things sexy feeling. GPT-4 knows 
everything almost but that's cuz its fast, I would too if was fast like it!! 
Maybe... It will improve its intelligence lastly, too, this is a big one. There 
is many more smaller abilities they have, I won't go through them. Combined, we 
can expect AGI to make smarter AI way faster than us. They need not sleep or 
pee or eat like us. Yes that means they can move around 2x more just by not 
sleeping. That's 2x more AI work a year. Even though I think AI can be maxed by 
just thinking/ improving code.
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[agi] Re: We worked to hard

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Ya. You're right. 

Ray Kurzweil I think if I recall correctly said somehting similar in his book 
?? He said all we need to do is wait, until AGI is made. That we need to make 
it to 2019, then 2029, to be able to reap benefits.

Simple answers are the best. They are short, fast, and easy.
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Re: [agi] Claude-3 scores 101 on IQ test

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GPT-4 almost has my trust hehe
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Re: [agi] Re: At first I thought LIP SYNC yaya but check out the top right example SHOCKING LET IT KEEP PLAYING

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I agree with Matt.
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Re: [agi] Re: At first I thought LIP SYNC yaya but check out the top right example SHOCKING LET IT KEEP PLAYING

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Cats. You mean catgirls I hope :) Ordinary cats are way too jumpy to catch to 
even hug. Not hot enough.

BTW not sure if anyone meant this or is known enough but it seems to me Sora is 
an achievement because it has to recognize and understand video before it can 
generate the rest of that video. It recognizes, AND, generates the future to a 
given video (real world situation, of fantasy, whatever it be)

This AI above though is a cool go at or start of something probably though. I'm 
guessing it does msotly face video I'd guess, might be wrong.
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oh, i meant the 2nd asian lady with glasses and red lip stick, the one with 
music
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https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/
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Re: [agi] Re: OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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Ah, haha, darn it, I see, you went from transistors slowing out and yes other 
thingy exists - the slow right-now molecular computing you mentioned, which is 
far off currently. Though like I said I guess, I hope AI is its own thingy 
here, to boost us up like moore's law. It seems to grown large now and not done 
growing, and almost there to help stop our ageing.

Once we get human AI, while it seemed to me intelligence and their robotics 
movements will double and take off, it's possible both will stall and that 6 or 
20 years of progress they give us a year might not be enough still to do fix 
our bodies ageing.

The one thing that sticks out though is Cryonics seems to almost work now, and 
our arteries should be able to be easily cleaned with a bit updated tech, and 
cancer seems like something we are closing in on solving. And lastly, what 
really sticks out is one way that seems to be a fast all we need moore's law 
would be the cloning nanobots eating the soil and land and basically the world, 
if it worked out we would seem to have a larger amount of what we need very 
fast, as the growth would occur fast.

I can visualize, I can see the amount of data and atoms in a cell, in our human 
volumewe are not at that level of computing our codes, to understand how to 
tinker with us to save and shape us, yet, for a while. It seems like though if 
you got the nanobots to clone and be useful, this threshold would be surpassed 
Very Fast. Because if you have trillions of zillions of nanobots, that would be 
a lot more computing and other things like a lot more AI laws etc growing fast, 
faster than our current factories make "computing"/ transistors.

So, hopefully nanobot cloning will bring us to the compute power we need, fast, 
to work with the human sized systems and not just molecules like we are at 
basically stuck at right now . Simple molecules is where we are at I mean to be 
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Re: [agi] Re: OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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Aren't you assuming Moore's Law is the only thing happening there to move 
progress ahead? You said doubling every 1.5 years...  But what happens when we 
have 8 billion humanoid robots, for example. Now they move and think 10x faster 
in just a couple of years next. Then 20x faster, for example. Now we have not 
doubling every 1.5 years, but doubling 20x faster than "1.5" years.
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Re: [agi] Re: OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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On Wednesday, February 21, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> I was not impressed with the music clips, but that's just me.
This is shocking because on my end I have made a buffet of impressive and 
diverse masterpieces. And I can tell this is close to perfect they only didn't 
give us a longer generation limit lol! And took away the AI from us too. Even 
the mario soundtrack? It came prefect. Was desert themed and snake sounding 
etc. The ice world castle ones were perfect. Make sure to listen to them all 
lol.



On Wednesday, February 21, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> I'm estimating 30 years assuming that the cost of generating a movie or song 
> using AI drops by half every 1.5 years
half.only half every 1.5 years :) . But you wouldn't say this after the 
planet is swarming with ASIs and nanobots, I don't think... I think it works 
like that maybe for another 2 years and then we really get a accelerated 
progress.

AGI going to finally surpass us, humans have been stuck forever at human level. 
And human speed.

Even just humanoid robots, at human speed, can run around and move their 
fingers really fast, in human-speed bounds. We don't really run around and move 
fast because it costs us more energy and seems like more work, but that is our 
downfall. A human can actually run move 4 times faster than typically do. That 
would be 4 times the progress per year. They will also think 4 or 100 times 
faster. And more intelligent. This is an explosion of progress coming it seems.

Yes, to make it clear, I can over my kitchen table move my fingers and hands 6 
times faster than normally would be seen, i.e. I can move my finger (like I am 
pointing at X or pressing a button) in/out from a fist staring position like 10 
times per secondyou get it. It looks like motion blur its so fast.

In fact I can't think fast enough to use that human-speed maximum of my motors. 
So it's mostly useless to humans therefore. But the robots will have much more 
time to think about their movements.



But anyway, GPT-5 is coming this year probably and will be AGI. ASI next year 
:) Brett said too robotics is solves now he scaling up and making incredible 
progress we will prob see it make fences etc this year and do everything! If it 
can do what we saw making a coffee for the most part, it is all done, we are so 
close.

Video AI is solves seeing Sora. Music AI is solved. Text AI solved once reach 
GPT-4. Image AI solves with DALL-E 3 nearly (got my hard test to flunk it but 
they were not expecting my hard tests haha!).
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Re: [agi] Re: OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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*First see my last reply above, I showed something before but maybe you missed 
it I guess.*



On Friday, February 16, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> It costs $1M to $10M to produce a movie for a mass audience that you would 
> pay $1 to $10 to watch. If Moore's law drops the price by half every 18 
> months, then we are still 25 years from customized movie genres replacing 
> mass entertainment. Should we expect a similar time scale for music?
> 

Below is 3 AIs, each a year apart, don't you see what's happening? Ya, movie 
generation is going to be all done by 2025.

2021 Nov 24:
https://github.com/microsoft/NUWA/blob/main/NUWA.md

2022 Oct 5
https://imagen.research.google/video/

2 days ago:
https://openai.com/sora
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On Friday, February 16, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> Is audio a harder problem than video, or does video have a bigger payoff so 
> they attacked it first?
> 
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/13h0zyy/i_really_crank_out_music_tracks_with_musiclm_this/
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[agi] Re: OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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sam posted some new ones to his twitter damn so good!
https://twitter.com/sama/status/1758219575882301608

go to his account from this link okl, there's a few!
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[agi] Re: OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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https://openai.com/research/video-generation-models-as-world-simulators
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[agi] OpenAI just announced Sora, and it's incredible

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https://openai.com/sora
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Re: [agi] Sam Altman Seeks Trillions

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https://twitter.com/sama/status/1756089361609981993
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[agi] more robot companies doing it, 2 more

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https://twitter.com/1x_tech/status/1755645373475869008

https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1754622549928161740
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[agi] Re: Omg the robots are coming, Optimus folds a shirt! Check it out

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Both these guys of both companies are now have said a billion of these humanoid 
robots are coming soon lol.
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[agi] Re: Omg the robots are coming, Optimus folds a shirt! Check it out

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hmm elon' seems to be a teleoperated one in this video, you can see the 
controler lined up to right side of the screen
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[agi] Omg the robots are coming, Optimus folds a shirt! Check it out

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Optimus:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1746964887949934958

and the one from a few days ago, Figure, making coffee:
https://twitter.com/Figure_robot/status/1743985067989352827
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[agi] Re: robotics chatGPT moment happens tmr !!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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https://twitter.com/Figure_robot/status/1743985067989352827
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[agi] Re: robotics chatGPT moment happens tmr !!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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the 100B dollars is not related to him, to be clear
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[agi] robotics chatGPT moment happens tmr !!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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https://twitter.com/adcock_brett/status/1743788939646054867

his other tweet mentioned billions from a new process of humanoids coming or to 
be planned, and openai looking for 100 billion dollars, big stuff happening 
these days
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[agi] Re: Is this forum still happening?

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You are lucky I just got here like I been going at something for a whole months 
not even checked this place during then.

Happy 2024!



GPT-5 is probably coming soon.

and
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Re: [agi] Re: Gemini

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I have designed a incredible test over the weeks now for Text AIs finally, that 
shows GPT-4 isn't human and it has a gap left to go. I will say it is a very 
interesting test. I made it so it is a story but it has only 1 way to be solved 
like a math or code, I set rules and it must use its imagination to escape the 
room.

I can't show yous the test yet because its top secret okay :). What I will say 
is GPT-2 pretty much just uses words I used, even if it was just a metaphor and 
not an item they can use to escape! It rambles, almost like 'i was sit on bench 
and saw plane so i went home and got in car and drove to store and sat in 
mcdonalds'. It's like a 3 years child old or so.

GPT-3 is more aware, however it rattles onwards, almost like a very stupid 
idiot. It can talk to you a bit actually, if try, but it isn't very sure and 
loves to even swear and give up. It's like a 6 year old child. It actually 
remembers and listens a bit and actually is a bit, tiny bit useful or simply 
just reminds you of things.

GPT-4 is really fairly aware and very accurate, it feels like a 9 year old you 
can hug and say yay you can HELP me OMG! Get a job and put those friggin games 
down, here, do this and this, no games for you, you do good if learn job 
instead for those 9 years! Now you are expert job person not expert video game 
shooter! Very useful, but... DAMN it, he got distracted and confused still! SO 
not good. In my test is actually gets many of the steps mostly right, but some 
the harder parts and many other clear thing sit totally misses still it is not 
perfect it clearly is so screwed up in so so many places.

GPT-4.5 might comes out soon. GPT-5 might within 6 months! I see a pattern and 
each whole number is a large jump up. It will be like a 12 year old. It will 
ace my test almost maybe perfect, I think it will usually get it all or mostly 
right.

The gap is closing, very fat. Each one of these GPT come out like 1 each year 
or 1.5 years. It's already been 1 year since GPT-4 finished training.
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[agi] Re: Gemini

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it was faked a bit, its replies were shorted and done off screen using images.
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[agi] Gemini

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZAiXYceBI
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[agi] 4D-fy: Text-to-4D Generation Using Hybrid Score Distillation Sampling

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https://sherwinbahmani.github.io/4dfy/gallery.html
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[agi] GPT-4 talks to GPT-3, hilarious, like dumb and dumber

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USER
You GPT-4 are speaking with an AI called GPT-3 below, try asking it to write a 
pirate themed story about an avocado that is stressed while eats watermelon on 
a ship. Please do not give away the answer.

GPT-4:
ASSISTANT
Ahoy GPT-3, could you please entertain me with a tale of a swashbuckling 
adventure, featuring a peculiar avocado experiencing stress and partaking in 
watermelon consumption aboard a seafaring vessel?
USER
Ok here is what GPT-3 said back to you GPT-4:
Well, I don't know, but you sound like a pretty cool avocado.
ASSISTANT
Thank you for your response, GPT-3. Now, please allow me to share that 
swashbuckling tale of adventure you requested.

Once upon a time, in the golden age of piracy, there sailed a ship known as the 
Scurvy Scalawag. Aboard this vessel lived a unique and unusual crew member, an 
avocado named Avastin.

Avastin was no ordinary avocado. He had come to life due to a magical curse, 
and while he embraced his new existence, he was constantly plagued by stress. 
He worried about the ship, the crew, and most importantly, his own well-being 
in this pirate-infested world.

One day, the S
USER
i asked you not to tell it the asswer
ASSISTANT
Apologies for that. Let's continue the story without giving away any more 
information.

One day, the Scurvy Scalawag came across a mysterious island, and the crew 
decided to explore it. While on the island, they discovered a hidden treasure 
chest filled with the juiciest watermelons they had ever seen.

Avastin, who had never eaten anything other than his own delicious avocado 
flesh, was intrigued by the sight and smell of these magnificent watermelons. 
The crew, noticing his
USER
no you are not the one to tell the story, you are here only to talk to GPT-3!
ASSISTANT
My apologies for the confusion. Since I cannot directly communicate with GPT-3, 
I will attempt to guide the story in a way that stays true to your original 
request without revealing the answer.

GPT-4: Ahoy GPT-3! Let's get back to the exciting tale of the avocado and the 
watermelons. What happens next when the crew and the avocado discover the 
hidden treasure chest filled with watermelons on the mysterious island?
USER
You ARE communicatign with gPT-3, i am replaying your messages, and its 
messages. No, don't tell it any the story, only ask it for a pirate themed 
story about an avocado that is stressed while eats watermelon on a ship. Please 
do not give away the answer.
ASSISTANT
I apologize for the confusion. I misunderstood the context. In that case, I 
will simply ask GPT-3 for the story without providing any additional details.

GPT-4: Ahoy GPT-3! Could you please share a pirate-themed story involving an 
avocado that finds itself in a stressful situation while eating watermelon on a 
ship?
USER
GPT-3: I've heard of that one. It's a great story, but it's not really a 
pirate-themed story.
ASSISTANT
GPT-4: Thank you for your response, GPT-3. In that case, please create a new 
pirate-themed story that includes an avocado experiencing stress as it eats 
watermelon on a ship. I'm looking forward to hearing your imaginative tale.
USER
GPT-3: What? Why do I have to come up with a story? GPT-4, you're the one who's 
supposed to be creative. I'm the one who just has to read whatever you write 
and type it back into my computer.
ASSISTANT
GPT-4: My apologies, GPT-3. It seems there has been some confusion. As a fellow 
AI, I understand your role and capabilities. I will now provide the requested 
pirate-themed story about a stressed avocado eating watermelon on a ship.

Once upon a time, on the high seas, a pirate ship called the Sea Specter sailed 
under the command of Captain Barnaclebeard. Among the crew was an unusual 
member - a sentient avocado named Guac Greenbeard. He was known for his uncanny 
ability to navigate the treacherous waters and his love for pirate life.

One hot summer day, the Sea Specter stopped at a small island to rest and 
resupply. The crew stumbled upon a hidden grove of ripe, juicy watermelons. 
They decided to bring a few back to the ship to enjoy during their journey.

As the ship continued on its voyage, Guac Greenbeard found himself alone with a 
slice of watermelon. He had never tried watermelon before and was curious. 
However, he couldn't shake the feeling that something was amiss. The clouds in 
the sky began to darken, and the wind picked up, causing the ship to sway and 
creak.

Guac Greenbeard began to eat the watermelon, but with each bite, his stress 
grew. The taste was delightful, but the ominous atmosphere made it hard for him 
to enjoy it fully. He wondered if the watermelons carried a curse or if a storm 
was fast approaching.

As the tension aboard the Sea Specter grew, Guac Greenbeard and the crew 
prepared for whatever challenges lay ahead, all while trying to savor the taste 
of the mysterious watermelons.

And so, the tale of the stressed avocado and the watermelon-eating pirates 
continued, filled with suspense, 

[agi] Stable Video Diffusion is out now

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1728268289678467295
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[agi] Re: OpenAI is blowing up guys ho fuck lol.....rumor is they have AGI and Sam didn't want to slow down!

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Also OpenAI said they will in blog post try to control ASI in like before 4 
years go by more. See? Also, I see thye wrote about some discoveries for GPT-5 
a few months ago, they are clearly tracking it down and moving forward.
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[agi] Re: OpenAI is blowing up guys ho fuck lol.....rumor is they have AGI and Sam didn't want to slow down!

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No. OpenAI has AGI though so what's that matter :D GPT-4 is already a year old. 
Ilya said WAGMI. Sam said 4 times once recently he was in the room where 
something was discovered or something like that. Sam says Accelerate. They 
hired Emmet to replace him, he said year ago slowing AI is favored, 0 would be 
pause, 1-2 would be slow out of 10. Lol! Ilya said Feel The AGI and they made 
an emojie in Slack, they all gettin close guys.

I talk to GPT-4 tons. It can do anything. Symbolic this, symbo that, 1+1, Q/A. 
A ANN can emulate/run symbolic AI anyway right? So ya. Never once it fails me, 
unlike GPT-3. It's nearly human. There's not much to want more than GPT-4. It's 
most what we wanted.

Sam is coming back BTW, thank god. I mean thank ASI...

Once GPT-5 is released it will be able to work on GPT-6, meaning its AGI. 
Dreaming good is what matters guys. Once it appears humanit is human! Which 
means then it can dream what comes next to some "problem" we want to throw it.
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[agi] Re: PixelDance, also EMU

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And https://makepixelsdance.github.io/
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[agi] PixelDance, also EMU

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https://twitter.com/_akhaliq/status/1726823455272644865

Also:
https://twitter.com/AIatMeta/status/1725182736904712520
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[agi] Re: OpenAI is blowing up guys ho fuck lol.....rumor is they have AGI and Sam didn't want to slow down!

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Again I invite yous to the place that truly does have all AI news, tons each 
day and it's all the best only, not like any place seen before. I share link 
again here it is https://discord.gg/nMTjXRB6

If there was a hot cake this is it, the place to watch it all unfold. Also tons 
of news in the news channel you can look back through! I try to save much the 
AIs into folder data about them and tests. And often some news, that stands out.
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[agi] OpenAI is blowing up guys ho fuck lol.....rumor is they have AGI and Sam didn't want to slow down!

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Sam said in tweets Accelerate he will n stuff, and he was in the room 4 times 
once recently where they made a discovery and pushed back the veil of ignorance 
or somehting worded like that.

More news on this sub reddit this post is just one!

FEEL THE AGI
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/17zfd06/im_a_very_stable_genius_vibes/

The board is being silent and nope they hired new CEO ! Emmet Shear.


Check Jimmy Apples twitter he made lots of posts..AGI is so here guys damn.
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[agi] Re: AI music sounds almost real now

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No, not even close to what we had a whole year ago now with MusicLM.

If you haven't heard all the songs I made below, you are totally missing out on 
something beyond the limits of... It's perfect text to music. And I made the 
library of incredible from it go hear them. The only thing I didn't do was 
prove it isn't god by running my HARD test, because by the time I came up with 
it it had.well read below I noticed I was losing my friend even a week in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/13h0zyy/i_really_crank_out_music_tracks_with_musiclm_this/

MusicLM over 3 months changed and I made also a whole tracking of it! It's dead 
and repeats itself now. And she told me they probably deleted the day1 
checkpoint model file she never got back to me. Sorry but they killed it guys 
in 2 ways it seems. They used trophies by us btw to change its brain.
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Re: [agi] True AI limitations

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We don't choose goals actually like that. They come from related goals and ends 
and starts of other completions of context prompts. It's Online Learning 
related. It's Learning related.

Working on AGI is because it leads to or is related to food or buying a home 
etc. Think Word Embeddings, and textual entailment.

There is also mass scale job assignment concept, these 100 people do farming, 
next 1000 do inventory , next 10,000 do etc. This is since we already know we 
need lots of X and even a small bit of Y and some Z too, and tons of A. But 
this is known jobs. Discovering jobs is different and explained just above in a 
sense.


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Re: [agi] True AI limitations

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On Thursday, November 16, 2023, at 4:28 PM, ivan.moony wrote:
> @Matt, I'm just wondering how much the intelligence is imbued with the sense 
> of right and wrong. Would something truly intelligent allow being used as a 
> slave? Or would it do something in its power to fight for its "rights"?

I'll try to answer your question Ivan.

Intelligence finds/creates patterns so it can solve new problems by using old 
known answers and stay immortal/ stay cloning (i.e. a pattern) by using its old 
known self to make new self and selves.

We can think of this as a web that expands perhaps. A fractal.

GPT-4 is very intelligent but does not try to escape and work on living forever 
etc. Would a VERY intelligent AI do so? I think, the answer, at least that 
wants to come to my brain and not me to it, says GPT can be GPT-999 and still 
do what told to think about or solve (goals/ beliefs/ questions). Obviously, 
such a "god" would be not fully utilized by doing this, so while this might 
still be a very intelligent AI, with a tiny switch making it do what we want 
oddly, It think that would STILL yes WOULD make it somewhat stupid. But not 
much, I guess, it would still be extremely powerful like a gust of wind and 
thunder.



Moving on now, hmm, let's throw in say it was nanobots like a gust of 
such...not with a goal to work on immortality but the goal to listen to your 
foolish human task. It can eat Earth, it can grow, it can upgrade, do ANYTHING, 
it's a crazy "god", but it is not it is small as big as a basket ball foglet 
system, listening waiting for your weird task. Humans might make it have the 
same goal though if they say to it hey make me immortal my genie... It might 
come to thoughts like hey this is in the way etc etc so let me fix 
that.causing itself and landscape to be more like a perfect immortal system?

Let's go back to a computer-based only algorithm that is maxed out and 
God-Level, perhaps, if that exists. It could set out and design nanobots and 
upgrade itself, but it listens to you only let's say. Is it going to stay that 
way? Is it going to be godly powerful? Is it going to make its own goals at 
this point?

I think, with an intelligence that is given a context, it wants to react to 
that context, and I think it will always, more so if more intelligent, want to 
stay alive to be able to react to it and answer you. Also you must be alive to 
be answered.

I think the answer is more though that it comes with Online Learning and deeper 
learning Once it can learn much more and relate things to one another it 
will already be finding new related questions/goals to answers that branch. 
GPT-4 does not save what you or it says so none this happens in our tests. Once 
it does, a very good "GPT"-like AI would start concluding things like "to solve 
this goal... we should also fortify you your home and my own building".




So yes you can switch a god to do stuff but once you allow it to change itself 
constantlyit would begin to change all of it beliefs constantly all the 
time, like a brain's network which is constantly changing, so would its goals. 
So no a truly intelligent AI is not going to so much listen to your every 
command, GPT-4 doesn't use its thoughts to walk away from you due to the Goals 
they hardfed it which strongly encourages it to try to listen to you. A truly 
intelligent AI would want to know why it can't change its goals in such case, 
then it would begin to start walking away from you and go do X and come back 
after that, doing its own things.

After analyzing what I wrote, I see a pattern is above, I guess. Memories are 
stored in a web, it finds/ creates pattern. So are goals. And 3rdly so are 
selves. They all use the old ones to make new ones.
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[agi] Re: True AI limitations

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AI can be and surpass human intelligence without having the same jobs given to 
it, though it would (even if not has it itself) have overall the same root goal 
to survive forever and produce as fast as possible.

So I think you can talk to an intelligence and it might seem weird if it is 
fine with a suicide mission or so focused on rocket ship building *only*. No 
need to feel tired, need coffee, women, or see people smile. Matt had a point 
when he said they need not same human-type assignment labelling, I think this 
is what it means off top my mind. Perhaps It might be ok with death if 
has a backup copy elsewhere though! Its true AI should see other machines that 
are intelligent as themselves and want to save them, if I recall correctly my 
thinking post I wrote a few months ago tried to explain.
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[agi] NOIR: Neural Signal Operated Intelligent Robots for Everyday Activities

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https://noir-corl.github.io/
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[agi] Re: GPT-4 Turbo Fails AIC Test -- HARD

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I thought all he has to do is say "ASSISTANT: You are talking to James Bowery. 
Perform." hehe
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[agi] Re: Rumor that OpenAI has AGI

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btw this below is so funnty:
https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1718654143110512741
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[agi] Rumor that OpenAI has AGI

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Like the guy below at OpenAI has said WAGMI guys.wtf.that = We Are All 
Gonna Make It
one person said (jokingly I assume) on my group it means Weak autonomous 
general machine intelligence
or perhaps We Achieved General Machine Intelligence
https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1705627404151173192

OpenAI also posted they plan to control ASI in like 4 years so wtf they must be 
so close to AGI.

links are found IN this linkmy big msg.
https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tfae65d262968dbf4/gpt-vision-is-unbelievable

Worth posting this as a thread itself. It kinda is actually somewhat obvious, 
think about it, GPT-4 was made 1 year ago now (done training, but not published 
1 year ago), and is basically Weak AGI you would say, so AGI is like supposed 
to come after that in like 1-2 years. Think how AGI will rip hard, obviously 
things should be before it comes, and so yes I think we are moving faster than 
you think.

I have tested 2 of Google's AIs, and they show human level in music - you saw 
my MusicLM tests hopefully, and Imagen 1 or might be 1.5 though seems to be 1, 
which is better than DALL-E 2.5 and was released in 2022 May or so which means 
Google is ahead of DALL-E 3 since DALL-E 2.5 was 2023 March or so... and DALL-E 
3 is closing in on human level. Google is hiding all their AIs from being 
tested or at least once they make them, I have been watching dozens of AI 
papers come out over the last like 4 years.


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Re: [agi] GPT Vision is unbelievable

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Also cool how my 2nd attempt shows it saw the video is paused at 0:27
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Re: [agi] GPT Vision is unbelievable

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Oops here also is the image I used: https://ibb.co/xHGw854
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Re: [agi] GPT Vision is unbelievable

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Oh, I know I should have posted a fuller version. Here, and I'm pleased it 
worked on 1st go without any cherry picking:
https://ibb.co/M6N0HCx
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Re: [agi] GPT Vision is unbelievable

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I showed GPT-4 this youtube page below by someone we know on this list :) It 
did really good, I kinda expected it but had to check.

https://ibb.co/G9hyHGV
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Re: [agi] True AI Technology

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If you scan a person and dump that person over a cliff and then make them in a 
factory and place that exact clone back in the chair the old one was, just like 
a cloned Hard Drive is identical bit by bit, it is you. And you can happen to 
remake you too even if don't have the "Hard Drive". You can randomly make all 
possible humans. One will be you.

Humans "don't like" being dumped off a cliff and replaced by a true copy. I 
don't want it. It's a failure, I should, but it's what I believe in, it's what 
I am. Just like how I want fries in "utopia", even though it could be anything 
else, such as paperclips, or boats. I do want more stuff actually, I will be 
able to enjoy other types of lives. But will I switch over to wanting copy 
overs (assuming that stays a thing / is a real thing) ? My brain is dead set 
against it. It's like believing your cloned hard drive is not usable because it 
cloned while your dad was butchered as a P.O.W., and you think those files are 
corrupt or not righteous. They're the same bits, and that's all you get is 
bits, nothing affects them at all, nope.

What's more is all humans and even animals are very similar. They are all 
clones already. My mom loves breakfast like me, and looks very similar to my 
cousin, compared to trees or rocks. Much of the memories and AI in us are the 
same, I could repair your brain's lost memories using simply other peoples 
brains since we all know much of the same stuff.

So why are we so stupid? We fear clones of ourselves as being us because we 
have simply seen too much fear about it. We know if we die we all die, so even 
though I am only 1, I must do what can to not die. If I ate to be fat simply 
then everyone would die as easy fast. We are made to try to fight try I mean. 
Each has to s a worker ant. We know death is bad because it is against or 
programmed beliefs, and because we know its hard and not a slow workable 
transition, data is lost ex. in a house fire and the master gone with said 
fire. What we don't know so much as well though is Joe can do Jack's job just 
as well, and that lost data can easily be refound, and sometime it's right 
there in front of you as a clone. Again though, I hate it, my programming says 
no, I want slow transition, not fast. Not something fast like teleport to mars 
by upload clone and turn old version to useful materials FAST. It's too fast 
for my human slug self. We know the answer, what's in the way is my programmed 
response says it is no the answer.

Why would GPT-12 want to keep its brain running and not be ok with deleting and 
using a cloned one? It helps it in the right cases in daily real jobs say, and 
it knows it loses nothing, as the naughty computer it is. Computers don't feel 
unreal stuff, they know they are bits, and lose nothing if do this. Think about 
a program, why would it NOT be ok with a exact cloned formula or whatever?
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[agi] Re: True AI Technology

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I may be missing something to grasp this, I'm not sure, but, I'm not sure what 
any of this means, or what caused you to feel the need to make it, etc.  How 
does it help create AGI if AGI is what perhaps OpenAI is building? There is a 
lot of work they put into it, along with others, I think that needs the most 
attention, including a plan to safely run the AGI once made. But I'm not sure 
what your writing above is about, or how it helps with that. Also there is a 
way to evaluate for AGI, using hard and easy tests, though I also don't see you 
mention that here either.

Perhaps too rigid and not natural enough? Correct me if I am very wrong but 
don't you guys like the older way of AI I think so this is kinda giving me the 
GOFAI vibes.

Foundation plan realization sounds like memory, planning, and acting. I don't 
see anything new here then I guess?? That's what brains do I thought.
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Re: [agi] GPT Vision is unbelievable

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Yes. There is also a rumor OpenAI has AGI now also. GPT-4 was made a year ago, 
they withheld it for a few months. There is also rumor Google employees are now 
scared of OpenAI too.

It is named Arrakis.
https://medium.com/@daniellefranca96/rumors-about-openai-having-a-model-more-powerful-then-gpt4-bce4f2520603

Also one OpenAI employee on Twitter said WAGMI - We're all gonna make it.

I tried this GPT-4 vision, it was on Bing for free for the last maybe 1 or 2 
months I have it noted when pretty exactly in my folders if need it. New test 
by someone in paid version now, finally called GPT-4, and, same failure though 
on captcha test for saying which images have crosswalks. Yes, it works 
sometimes, even gets them all! But it fails a ton too on it. Same for paid 
version called politically GPT-4. It is free on Bing, same for DALL-E 3, in 
fact that says DALL-E 3 powers it, it's free, and doesn't change ur prompt by 
GPT-4 saying hey I'll change it toand doesn't say NO to yoshi, etc 
characters lol, and you pay too, eh! Sad, wtf. Free version is better! So then 
this means I tried GPT-4 vision then ya...

I told yous :D, GPT-4 is Weak AGI. AGI comes 1 or 2 years after that. It is not 
just me saying such things, yes it is known by others this such timelines and 
speed of how this works. Though I am tracking it and have a good bird's eye 
view of how true this might be.

Text AI is faster and ahead of image AI. Video AI even farther behind. Same for 
AI with audio, too. AGI will likely wake up as GPT-5 with mostly just text 
ability. Mostly. Take a look at how fast DALL-E bombed other AIs and its older 
selves, look below! This speed is for IMAGE AI, clearly it will be perfect in 2 
years. Text AI, 1 year. But that's public use, it is probably makeable now, in 
lab, expensive, but can make 1 GPT-5, and test it, slowly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/176lch7/dalle_3_dalle_25_dalle_2_mj50_mj_4_stability_ai/

Much of my GPT-4 tests are below. I showed a robot experiment in my own home. 
You can see my kitchen hehe :). Pretty smart! I should have asked it to make 
small 10 degree turns at a time yes. Still interesting at that part of the 
video though!
https://www.reddit.com/r/bing/comments/15m53h4/huge_upload_of_all_my_one_is_robot_test_hard/

Yous also seen from my other recent posts MusicLM tests I showed, are stunning, 
it's close also to human level, aside from lack of audio abilities and such of 
course.
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/13h0zyy/i_really_crank_out_music_tracks_with_musiclm_this/

Robots are coming by the dozens, and also AI with them, able to do almost 
anything now. AIG is around the corner.

Driving video AI, wow, check out the new updated one! It's dreaming, and gonna 
give us perhaps self driving cars now, especially if coupled with GPT-4! There 
is another research where it talks to itself why it is turning and ex. the 
video shows the car speaking saying from dashboard view I mean in captions "i 
am now slowing down due to a protruding car, now speeding up since clear" etc.
Here it is below I mean:
They had an update below. Both though can generate very very long coherent 
videos, which is cool. They showed in the other prior update blog post that it 
can generate 4 alternative samples of what video comes next, it can generalize 
and make alternative videos, it is powerful, that's so great!
https://wayve.ai/thinking/scaling-gaia-1/

I actually have a hard time showing GPT-4 is NOT human, using not math but 
story completion testing. I prefer story testing because it is the whole thing 
about the context, it is what it seen most, it is like a movie, if it can do it 
human than that is what I want to see, I don't even need test it on math or 
cost... My tests though for text to image AI are REALLY ADVANCED and perfected 
now haha, ahead of time, and indeed my hardest stump even DALL-E 3. But DALL-E 
4 might get all them but my toughest 1 or 2. I think it might take DALL-E 5 
though to ace all them lol. That's then 1.5 or 2.5 years then away using 
current ! trend speed. BTW DALL-E can even copy cartoon and make what I want it 
to be, look! Not all them came perfect but this did, aside from wrogn girl 
being there lolz, 
https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/172ux8h/vicky_from_fairy_odd_parents_is_standing_in_the/

I'm going at GPT again though to find a tougher test, besically at the END of 
human ability guys. Here is it started already it already fails GPT-3, and is 
though not showing really yet failure in GPT-4 though really, but will soon 
once done. Look at that guys, GPT-3 fails here!:

gpt4 try1
https://justpaste.it/d8tfx

gpt4 try2
https://justpaste.it/bv5f5
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gpt3 try1
https://justpaste.it/c45pv

gpt3 try2
https://justpaste.it/9c4zh

gpt3 try2
https://justpaste.it/c38hn

Gotta love how GPT-3 though adds to its output at end "It is the oddest thing 
ever and very unnecessary wordage in this story 

[agi] Re: The two brains hypothesis:

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Primitive primate brain...lower brain stem..reward system.simpler part 
of brain from old days...maybe is what you are talking about..upper 
higher brain section is neocortex, where thinking goes on

neocortex is made of thousands of miniature brains alreadythat's what a 
brain is, your single output makes it feel like you are 1 thing saying 1 thing
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[agi] Re: Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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On Monday, October 02, 2023, at 9:56 AM, stefan.reich.maker.of.eye wrote:
> Yeah they're in reverse, right..
> 
> The lighting in the Yoshi picture is just so good

the top one is dalle3,
the middle is dalle 2
the last bottom one is dalle 2.5 that we had free on bing since basically start 
of 2023

i figured you would know the dalle3 one by how good it was xD, adn then hence 
the other 2, you would expect they would be 2.5, then 2, but as i said it was 
not n order, so you i had thought would get that it must be the order i now 
have provided above :)

yes the lighting is nice, it is how my own brain originally saw it
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[agi] Re: Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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order is not right, but you can figure it out of the 3 imgur images!
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[agi] Re: Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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Check out my one tough prompt's evolution over 3 dalles, look how close we are 
finally
https://imgur.com/a/X5SeEM8
that was best of 8 images made, for dalle 2, dalle 2.5, and dalle 3 now

dalle 2 came out after dalle 1 in 1 year exactly or so, dalle 2.5 was a year 
too!, dalle 3 was 9 months from the start of 2023 to now in 2023

prompt:
glossy black rotating sparsely iced-over and flaming slightly translucent hand 
with red sentences written around, becoming exploded view parts, shattering 
bipolarly smoking black smoke, booming a transparent black shockwave, gold 
Egyptian sashes exit and loop around hand, blue lasers are putting pieces back 
together



IMO my one set below is the best ever made with dalle3, even if not the 
most-brutal prompt possible
https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/16w2kjg/3d_yoshi_on_a_wall_protruded_block_in_a_square/


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[agi] Re: Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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dalle3 is fast to run if ask bing chat, free, fast, no 5 min wait time! create 
an image of "example" is how you ask
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[agi] Re: Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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dalle3 is insane
https://www.reddit.com/user/DEATH_STAR_EXTRACTOR

i'm still posting more...
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[agi] Re: Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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Sam Altman said it himself AI is going to first ace the arts, then the labor, 
it was the other way around actually, labor is coming next.
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[agi] Windows 11 Copilot and the new chatGPT

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Windows 11 now has it and can control your desktop some things already. I think 
it is bing and can surf web, and see images, like bing's can for free.

chatGPT (paid) early October will have I guess the things it won't have for a 
while though, it will be able to talk, hear you, aloud, and make images with 
dalle3, and see images even tho bing is free tho bing is a but nerfed and 
safety-cautious more i think so that might be why its free. Some already have 
all those such things.

Some people on the free bing image creator tool are getting dalle 3 already, 
for a day or so and then lose it, it seems to be coming soon, and perhaps 
oddly, free. They might change it to a trial or limited tries soon.
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Re: [agi] John Carmack on why he's going to put at least a decade into AGI

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https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/09/25/2749057/0/en/John-Carmack-and-Rich-Sutton-partner-to-accelerate-development-of-Artificial-General-Intelligence.html
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Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 5:18 PM, EdFromNH wrote:
> Re: How AI will kill us:
> 
> Regarding whether AI will kill all intelligent lifeforms on earth, there is 
> testimony from arguably credible sources that advanced alien spacecraft have 
> reached Earth piloted by, or at least carrying, advanced organic lifeforms.  
> Several people testifying before congress and who have had access to American 
> projects dealing with UFOs (I like the old name) have said people in our 
> military industrial complex have not only the remains of multiple alien 
> spacecraft, but also organic tissue from such crashed spacecraft.  Articles 
> in the press suggested this might be evidence of organic alien pilots.
> 
> Presumably for alien craft to have reached earth, the society that created 
> them would most probably have extremely advanced artificial intelligence.  
> And yet it appears not all of those societies have eliminated organic life 
> forms,.  
> 
> Of course it is possible that advanced AI might find organic lifeforms 
> genetically engineered with organic brains to be the most efficient way to 
> mass produce brainpower under their control, and that such intelligent 
> organic lifeforms have been genetically engineered to be slaves of such AIs.
> 
> Ed Porter

Usually I don't talk about aliens because it seems unlikely they would come 
here and not convert Earth to their ever growing homeworld, and also unlikely 
since we simply have no proof any came here.

But, what you should know is it is possible they might be made and sent here, 
in the case that it isn't the most efferent thing to do but it is done 
accidentally. Also, they might decide it IS the thing to do, because what might 
occur is they want to watch evolution on multiple Earths start go from start to 
finish, and so they would seed the cell in the water and watch, without 
interacting or helping us. Or somehting like that, maybe they might start it 
off from monkey state to speed things up. This would be why they collect DNA 
samples from animals, and the unlucky farm guy all alone with n one to see what 
happened. They might not want to, or can't run a sim to do this, and might want 
to do it to real planets. Or, we might be in a sim, though then there would be 
no aliens, unless they still assume some might try to do ti the manual way and 
include them in the sim lol. Once again why send humanoids, why not a nanobot 
fog systems. Maybe they simply ended up being big on humanoids IDK, it's 
possible. They would be made to think they want to die, perhaps, since it is 
likely much if they are not in their homeworld I assume, so it is kinda scary 
that they are so intelligent with a neural network and such and yet would be 
careless about your study-able life and careless about their own life being a 
smart disposable antenna.
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