Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
On 4/2/07, Bill Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, from what can be heard, the group isn't large, in spite of what they would like it to be. It would appear there are 1 or 2 stations with others that follow on. The offenders apparently run a tremendous amount of power. They are also apparently unusually if not oddly committed, as they can be found there 365 days a year. Second of all, they have taken the belated courtesy of moving at least slightly off frequency (perhaps 1kHz) during the AMI net. At calmer moments they move off the frequency altogether. That should give you and other AM operators the opportunity to check in. It would be very welcome if you would operate AM on the AM calling frequency before they get started to remind them that they have moved in on a very active AM frequency, or suggest to them that they really are interfering. I am, however, afraid any attempt at the latter would only reinforce their intent. I understand 3870 has been a popular AM frequency for approximately 25 years, well before the SSB guys in TX took up their roost. I know they were not active when I first participated in AM fifteen years ago. In any event 3870 is currently identified by the ARRL as the West Coast AM call in frequency. It would be a pleasure to think they would be gentlemen enough to find a meeting place outside the AM window. Bill, I guess I don't get it. First of all, what does any of this have to do with the original topic posted? Second, what would you have us 5 landers do? Fight your battles for you guys in 6 Land? This SSB group is a lot bigger than the 2 or 3 you suggest, and I for one am not going to lay a carrier on them just because I can! What exactly are you asking or suggesting us 5 landers do for you? There are groups of 6 and 7 landers that get in between 3880 and 3890 daily on SSB. Do you think we would suggest you 6 landers just take care of that for us? Maybe I'm missing the big point here... 73 w5ami __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Under Rules, it says: This is radio site dedicated to AM. The reason most come here is to meet and exchange information about our mode and hobby. Obviously, their is no requirement to have a amateur license since many short wave listeners and general radio/electronic experimenters are also interested in AM and in some of our technical discussions. The technical discussion threads can vary all over the place. Although I can't place the person you referred to below, it could be he's been a long time friend to many who responded to his posts. Could be any number of reasons. Pete, wa2cwa On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:37:20 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good question Bill. I don't see many from the West coast participating even though there are several members out there. I don't believe anyone sets the border, as you put it, but most posts from anywhere outside of the group is mostly ignored. Technical questions have limited participation if they originate from anywhere South of Virginia. There was a member of that board who did not have a license that posted for quite a while. He was a friend of someone back in the area in question and had moved to California. First question, what is a guy with no license doing posting on a ham board? Second question why would the majority of posting members respond to even his personal posts when they barely will answer anything most of us South of Virginia and West of the Mississippi put up? Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Very unscientific Brian. After Jim's initial or second post, I just went to the member's list and did a search and count on W5's, K5's, KA5's, WA5's, WB5's, and N5's. But as K5MYJ pointed out in another post, some of those could have been located in other parts of the country. Also, no way to tell how many others that are in 5 land, that didn't list a call when they joined. The current search criteria does not allow a search by geographical location. I'm sure that the data can be retrieved but I'm not sure what you would do with the data. A quick look at the member's list shows that out of 1550 registered members, only 642 have ever made 1 or more post. Of course guest lurkers probably number in many many hundreds, if not thousands. Pete, wa2cwa On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:45:30 -0500 A.R.S. - W5AMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 4/2/07, Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During a rough count, I see approximately 100 members from 5 land. Of BTW Pete, how did you make this count? This is something Gary would probably be interested in. I truly think he would want to create ways to reach out to the entire USA, particularly with numbers like those. Maybe a Poll on amfone to simply let members click which district they are (physically) in would help determine if things are skewed... w5ami __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Maybe the majority just don't care to respond to April Fool posts. I personality find them a waste of time to even read much less respond. Pete, wa2cwa On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:29:49 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike here is an example of recent parentage. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=10751.0 Notice the number of responses and chatter. There is a post of a personal nature that I was tempted to use as an example, but decided against it. That post however has a total of 6 responses with the last today. It started March 30th. There are many more Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
That Pete is part of the problem. And even though I post something technical or make a post to another discussion it goes unanswered. Jim W5JO Maybe the majority just don't care to respond to April Fool posts. I personality find them a waste of time to even read much less respond. Pete, wa2cwa __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Bill you will probably never se the Texas guys on 3.870 as it is a big SSB freq here in Texas...You talk about starting a WAR...These guys have been there every day for 20 years...They complain enough about you guys then for us to go there... Geoff is right on 80,85 and 90...That is were we all hang out...And by the way there are a lot more then 100 of us Amers out there in Tx, Ar, OK, La...Strong group of great guys... Bob W1PE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff/W5OMR Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 4:21 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum Bill Smith wrote: I for one would like to see 5-land AM activity on 3870. We seem to have a very active, if few in number, contingent of SSB operator(s) on the West Coast Calling Frequency. Where are AM operators? There is only one station from Oklahoma who checks in regularly to the West Coast AMI net, Wednesday's at 8:00pm, 7:00pm Central Time. He also participates in groups that form on other nights of the week. If there are 100 stations operating AM in Texas, why none on 3870? I'd like to see more West Coasters on 3.880 or 3.885. -- __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Bill some years back I lived in Las Cruces, NM and operated on 3.870 plus 7.293 where I met many congenial hams. Bill/W7US, Dennis/W7QHO, Gary/ W7GMK and Lock/W1ZD all of which participated in the 3.870 group. When I moved from there to Texas, they took the initiative to contact me by email as a friend a compatriot. That remains today and recently Lock and Gary looked me up to invite me back. That is the kind of thing that makes friends. It is not the attitude I receive from the other coast. I do wish I could communicate with the West coast, but the group of SSBers Brian mentioned are adamant about causing trouble. They set up shop there some years ago when propagation was such that they could not hear you guys out there. Now that they can, they constantly complain about the interference. Really the best alternative is to change frequency for small roundtables, but that would be difficult to achieve. Other than that, we could get on SSB and tell them we are going to join you and get ready for the fight. That is about our only options at this point. I do wish civility prevailed in these matters but, sadly, it doesn't. 73 Jim W5JO On 4/2/07, Bill Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one would like to see 5-land AM activity on 3870. We seem to have a very active, if few in number, contingent of SSB operator(s) on the West Coast Calling Frequency. Where are AM operators? There is only one station from Oklahoma who checks in regularly to the West Coast AMI net, Wednesday's at 8:00pm, 7:00pm Central Time. He also participates in groups that form on other nights of the week. If there are 100 stations operating AM in Texas, why none on 3870? Bill, __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
To you Pete and all, I posted Ted's site as a viable alternative to AM Fone. On Ted's site, you will receive a respectful answer to any post made. My comments were not intended to implicate or indite a particular person or group. It was mentioned so if anyone West of the Mississippi would like an alternative, it is available. The person to which I referred made several snide remarks to technical posts I made rather than be inclusive and disagree in a respectful manner. In fact his comments is what first made me uneasy with the direction of the board to becoming more regionalized. You, however, have always be respectful to all who post there. This despite the fact that I have seen several really take you to task over your support of the ARRL. You have also responded to inquiries I have made in in the past. I suppose the difference may be that you were (are) in the manual business and recognize the value of respect for your peers, whereas some over there do not have the benefit of trying to please most people. Jim W5JO Under Rules, it says: This is radio site dedicated to AM. The reason most come here is to meet and exchange information about our mode and hobby. Obviously, their is no requirement to have a amateur license since many short wave listeners and general radio/electronic experimenters are also interested in AM and in some of our technical discussions. The technical discussion threads can vary all over the place. Although I can't place the person you referred to below, it could be he's been a long time friend to many who responded to his posts. Could be any number of reasons. Pete, wa2cwa __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
This is ridiculous! Why is anyone pissing and moaning about feeling ignored, or anything else having to do with an internet BBS? GET ON THE AIR. Let me add a few observations of my own: First, if there's interference on a frequency, MOVE! What happened to all of the excitement of the 'new phone spectrum' on 80 and 40? I've worked a number of folks below 3800 who exclaimed how excited they were, how nice and quiet it is 'down there' and so on, only to never hear them again. I understand that some folks are running rigs that aren't frequency agile. Somehow, I doubt that this represents the majority. TUNE YOUR VFO! CALL CQ! Don't wait around for someone else to do it for you. Get on earlier, don't wait until the frequencies are busy with SSB. Second, considering the issues the AM community has had with representation (or lack thereof) both on the bands and off, *why* would you want to split the focus and have several groups to watch, maintain, and whatever else? It seems pretty pointless, more of an issue of ego than practicality. AMfone is an excellent resource, with a lot of helpful information and documentation. IMHO, far too many people are using it as a substitute for getting on the air. Maybe this is a bigger part of the real issue? Third, I understand and agree with comments made by Geoff and others about some of the idiotic behavior that goes on in the northeast on 75. It goes on elsewhere as well. To me, it's even more of a reason to use the frequencies below 3800. I don't excuse it, nor do I condone it, and at times it makes me anxious to move south. Yet what do I have to look forward to there in 4 Land? From actual accounts by folks here on the list (maybe not word-for-word, but close) as well as comments on the air, 'the SSBers won't let us run AM down here, except on 3.885.' Who's fault is that?? Add to this the number of folks who aren't on at night, or don't bother at all - how much better or different is it there, or out in 6 Land where the SSB ops from 5 Land jam them? The only reason the lids stick out here in the northeast is the lack of 'decent, congenial folks' getting on the air as an alternative. The phone expansion was a clear example, short-lived as it was. You can't blame the lids for that - at least they're on the air regularly. Same goes for the SSB crowd. Don't like it? Get on the air and do something about it! Don't wait for others to do it for you. Or do we really need A NET as a reason to get on? Lame. Other than the AMI net in 4 Land or the Collins AM net, I hear VERY FEW on down there with any regularity. 'KYV, 'AMI, RHK and a few others like Jim. Put yourselves in a box, suffer the consequences. Fourth, Jim - I like you, you're a very good guy, decent sort, and so on. I've worked you on the air, most distant contact I had made to that point. I've responded to your posts and comments in the past many times, here and on amfone. The post you're referring to doesn't seem to have a whole lot to respond to, with respect to the joke itself, radio, or anything else. I read it, checked the links, what more was there to add? I've made posts on there that got plenty of reads and few or no responses. I didn't take it personally, I really wish you wouldn't either. It's an internet site, meant to supplement our on-air AM activities. I haven't had time to check, but I suspect any posts you've made asking technical questions received good answers. Just a guess here, but perhaps folks should *participate* more and complain less, if they want to improve things? We can play the ego-oriented 'my turf, your turf' games, but it won't do any of is a bit of good in the long run. More specifically, I think we need to focus LESS on the internet and MORE on getting on the air. I've been on many nights calling CQ down below 3800 with little or no response. Be part of the solution, not yet another one in the crowd who complains about the state of things, but does nothing to change it. If you don't like what you hear on a specific frequency, go start a new QSO elsewhere. Or stay in a rut, stay off the air, feel sorry for yourselves, stay on the internet and wonder why activity suffers for it. We alone create most of the problems of the AM community with our attitudes and practices. We alone can change it. It just depends how important it is to us. Very few seem willing to make the needed changes. Of those who are active, most prefer clinging to old, failed methods and frequencies instead of moving forward. Is it any wonder that things are the way they are? I have a blown mod transformer now, so I can't contribute much on the air. But night after night, the number carrying the torch seems to be few, compared to those seen on here. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help:
[AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
How about a change of subject? I live just south of Seattle. I live in a 4th floor senior apartment and only have a 40M antenna running around the wall near the ceiling. My penelty for not having a decent retirement plan. But when I moved into this pace in 2003 I could copy several of the NW AM group on 3870. But as the Solar Cycle has progressed they have dropped down into the noise. They operate between about 4:30PM and 6PM Pacific time most afternoons. I am told the intentionally quit before the band goes long. BUt I do receive the West Coast RTTY net at 8PM very vell most of the time. This is on about 3590. I have copied stations in BC and Calif. But evening AM activity has been ZIP! When I first moved here I could also copy the Calif. AM group on 14,286 about 4PM. Now what I hear there is SSB. Maybe they were driven away. I was also told to check 7290 around noon on weekends. I have done this with no luck. I am at the point of not knowing if the problem is tha solar cycle or just a lack of activity. On contest days I hear all kinds of activity. So my antenna while not really good, is not totally bad. And on my SX-110 I can hear the South American SW stations very nicely! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Near Seattle, Wa Real Radios Glow In The Dark __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
On 4/3/07, Bob Macklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am at the point of not knowing if the problem is tha solar cycle or just a lack of activity. On contest days I hear all kinds of activity. So my antenna while not really good, is not totally bad. An inside antenna won't help the cause, but it's mainly a lack of AM activity. Easily judged by the bands that aren't directly affected (dead) from lack of propogation, and the famous words seen online: I listened around XYZ but didn't hear anyone so I went back to 3.885 (or) shut down. Folks seem to expect all sorts of activity to exist for their pleasure and convenience, when they turn on the rig. Calling CQ appears to be a dying art, along with hamfests, CW, amateur radio, comon sense, apple pie, etc etc... Don't worry, though - it's someone else's fault, not ours. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Todd, you are one of the guys, like Pete who made me feel comfortable on AM Fone. You are one of the guys, along with WD8BIL and K1KAQ who would actually let me in a conversation. You even called me on the air. That is inclusiveness. The example I gave is but just one. There have been topics to which I have posted only to have further commenters ignore the message I put up, even thought it was apropos Again I am not inditing anyone or group. I am promoting a different board where I have felt welcome and see meaningful replies to what I post in a topic. I have also see other people from this part of the country post there and they, too, are just passed over. I hope I have not ruffled your feathers, for that is not my intent. Jim W5JO Fourth, Jim - I like you, you're a very good guy, decent sort, and so on. I've worked you on the air, most distant contact I had made to that point. I've responded to your posts and comments in the past many times, here and on amfone. The post you're referring to doesn't seem to have a whole lot to respond to, with respect to the joke itself, radio, or anything else. I read it, checked the links, what more was there to add? I've made posts on there that got plenty of reads and few or no responses. I didn't take it personally, I really wish you wouldn't either. It's an internet site, meant to supplement our on-air AM activities. I haven't had time to check, but I suspect any posts you've made asking technical questions received good answers. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
Todd, KA1KAQ comments: Folks seem to expect all sorts of activity to exist for their pleasure and convenience, when they turn on the rig. Calling CQ appears to be a dying art, along with hamfests, CW, amateur radio, comon sense, apple pie, etc etc... One of my problems is not knowing where or when to look. The other is I am not one to call CQ unless I know I have a receiver that is working. And I am working on an improved antenna that probably won't be ready until summer. Limited funds! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Near Seattle, Wa Real Radios Glow In The Dark __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Well Jim, I appreciate your position and opinions in the matter, I'm just sorry you think that starting or moving to yet another board is the best recourse. I know there are some nitwits in the northeast and it probably seems like the northeast/east coast guys think they rule the roost. On the contrary, it seems pretty obvious to me that this group is only more active, therefore higher profile, more people, etc. More people = more idiots heard from, even if only a small percentage. Voices carry as they say, much further over the air. I've always seen your posts as helpful, informative, and viewed you as just another one of the guys in the group. And trust me - I'd call you on the air more if signals would allow. I bet a lot of the guys don't hear you well or at all, considering the noise in the AM ghetto. Two in particular live only a few miles apart, and crank their RF gain down to get rid of the SSB noise. Which is why I think, regardless of anything else, that staying right around 2-3 set frequencies is the worst thing we can do. It invites trouble, makes us a target, and paints a bad picture for others while making it unpleasant for us. As an aside, I did a quick check of the board after my lengthy rant on here. I saw posts today from California, Wisconsin, Virginia, Maine, VT (big surprise), Maryland, Tennessee, NY, South Dakota, CT, and others I surely missed. I really don't see it as non-inclusive or unwelcoming, more than different people have different styles, and you just need to jump in and not be thin-skinned. You've made over 1000 posts there. Why do you now feel like you're not part of the bigger picture? Am I one of the bad guys since I didn't respond to your post? I hope not. For those who are sick of Deerfield talk, I offer this: Deerfield is to us what Belton is to you, or Gaithersburg was to the guys in 3 Land, and so on. It's a bigger deal now because we're returning to our roots after 15 years away. Hopefully folks too far away to attend will understand this and be happy to see so much interest in amateur radio in general, and AM in particular. I've been to Hamcation in Orlando, and hope to make all the big 'fests someday. I'm just glad someone still bothers! Whatever you decide, I hope you'll still join in with the group on amfone. There are many who don't agree with what the few do, and we don't let them ruin our fun. This is true anywhere, with any group. I think if more folks go off the internet and back on the air, the activity would follow the good operators. It did for a while when the phone privileges were expanded. ~ Todd KA1KAQ On 4/3/07, Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd, you are one of the guys, like Pete who made me feel comfortable on AM Fone. You are one of the guys, along with WD8BIL __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
From: Brett gazdzinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I don't pay any attention to the politics, fcc stuff, incentive, arrl, ... Now if someone was building something, I perk right up! But it's important to pay attention to that stuff, boring and frustrating as it may be. Remember the days of Johnny Johnston and the FCC's Private Radio Bureau, when almost monthly the FCC released yet another ill-conceived, poorly thought-out rulemaking docket, or released an RM-number to some lame petition, that managed to threaten AM operating privileges in some way, or even threaten the very existence of amateur AM? Are you still legal whenever you fire up your AM kilowatt? Back then we had no internet to discuss the issues, and had to rely on printed publications and snail mail. Sometimes most of us were lucky to even find out about a rulemaking petition by ARRL or some disgruntled anti-AM'er, or an FCC rulemaking proposal, before the cut-off date for the comment period. With the advent of the internet with amateur radio discussion forums and e-mail reflectors, hardly a phrase from FCC, ARRL, or any vocal anti-AM'er can get by without the entire AM community knowing about it within hours of its release. Notice how the anti-AM actions have dwindled in recent years, and AM has become a widely accepted facet of mainstream amateur radio, even regaining some recognition by ARRL and QST. But we still can't afford to ignore the political stuff from ARRL, FCC or disgruntled hams. Look what has happened to major political candidates from both parties when they simply ignored bogus attack ads and hoped they would fade away. I love building, modifying and operating AM stuff, and I want to maintain the right to do so. There are still many out there that would do anything they possibly could to have that privilege taken away. Don k4kyv __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
On 4/3/07, Bob Macklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my problems is not knowing where or when to look. The other is I am not one to call CQ unless I know I have a receiver that is working. Geographic location has a lot to do with it, but what works back this way for a starting point on 80 is: 3650-3750, 3825, 3870-3890 On 160: 1885, 1890, 1925, 1945, 1985 Perhaps Brett or someone else can comment more on 40m. But the base rule is, any open frequency is fair game (aside from areas like the DX Window). The biggest reason we have problems today is related to trying to follow an old agreement that only AMers seemed to respect. Restricting ourselves to some small sliver of band where we have to compete in nightly hand-to-hand combat to carry on a QSO is pointless and no doubt discourages many from participating. We have a group of folks up in Canada who are on regularly, 3720, 3725 or there abouts. I bet you have some just north of you as well. And I am working on an improved antenna that probably won't be ready until summer. Limited funds! In which case you do what you can with what you've got. It might not be the best, but it's better than nothing. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] AM activity from 5-land
I for one would like to see 5-land AM activity on 3870. We seem to have a very active, if few in number, contingent of SSB operator(s) on the West Coast Calling Frequency. Where are AM operators? There is only one station from Oklahoma who checks in regularly to the West Coast AMI net, Wednesday's at 8:00pm, 7:00pm Central Time. He also participates in groups that form on other nights of the week. If there are 100 stations operating AM in Texas, why none on 3870? 73 de Bill, AB6MT I'd also like to hear more AM activity from 5-land in the new Extra class portion of 75m. From the day of the band expansion, AM'ers have attempted to congregate near both sides of the 3700 kc/s boundary, in the upper part of the Extra segment and lower part of the Advanced segment. There was much enthusiam and much AM activity during the first couple of weeks after the expansion, but as the novelty wore off, AM activity down there has become very sparse, and most of the AM activity has migrated back up the 3870-90 kc/s ghetto. I frequently call CQ AM, but most of my responses are from SSB operators who decided to give AM a try, sometimes for the very first time. Many of these have turned out to be very interesting and enjoyable QSO's, and some of these operators have expressed interest in continuing to participate in AM activity now that they have experienced it. However, I would like to hear more activity by the AM regulars in that part of the band. Now, there is a contingent of rabid, anti-AM, Extra class operators in 5-land, many from the Houston area, who just fire right up on top of any existing AM QSO they choose, and then proceed to gripe about the AM QRM. I call them a dead-air group, because one of their tactics is to simply monitor the frequency and not transmit, for periods ranging anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour or more, but just the instant that someone outside their little group fires up near the frequency, especially if that person is on AM, the frequency is suddenly in use. I have monitored their conversations a few times (little else to do, since I don't hear much, if any, AM in that part of the band) and heard them conspiring to send a massive number of complaints to Riley about the deliberate interference and splatter from the AM'ers. I have never heard anything from the FCC on this, but remember what happened when the No-Traffic net conspired to send in complaints about Ashtabula Bill on 7290 kc/s. Apparently most of these stations are close enough together that they can simply talk over ongoing AM QSO's in other parts of the country, but evidently the AM signals are being heard, because they spend so much energy griping about AM. If a few more 5-landers would help maintain a regular AM presence lower in the band, this activity would cease and those lids would QSY whenever they heard an AM QSO already in progress when they tuned to their frequency. Don k4kyv __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
On 4/3/07, Craig K6QI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody still doing the coast to coast late night 40 meter stuff? The band seems to go long enough when I listen when I get home around 01:00 AM Pacific. Haven't tried 40, Craig (never thought to, due to the foreign BC stations), but I was able to work Mike KO6NM, Jim K6SFD(?), George WA6HCX, and Dave WJ6W a few weeks back on 3875, early morning hours here. We had excellent conditions and nearly a 2 hour roundtable between Vermont and California. John KB6SCO was in there too, but light copy, and Lynn K7KC came in towards the end from Salt Lake City with a big signal. Most of the stations sounded like locals. Conditions will slowly deteriorate as summer approaches, but it sure was fun! ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM activity from 5-land
On 4/3/07, D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, there is a contingent of rabid, anti-AM, Extra class operators in 5-land, many from the Houston area, who just fire right up on top of any existing AM QSO they choose, and then proceed to gripe about the AM QRM. I call them a dead-air group, because one of their tactics is to simply monitor the frequency and not transmit, for periods ranging anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour or more, but just the instant that someone outside their little group fires up near the frequency, especially if that person is on AM, the frequency is suddenly in use. I have monitored their conversations a few times (little else to do, since I don't hear much, if any, AM in that part of the band) and heard them conspiring to send a massive number of complaints to Riley about the deliberate interference and splatter from the AM'ers. I have never heard anything from the FCC on this, but remember what happened when the No-Traffic net conspired to send in complaints about Ashtabula Bill on 7290 kc/s. Get a video camera and video/audio your rx for 30 minutes with you in the room and get it recorded Don! There are some 4 landers on 3725 (W5RED is one of them) that do the same thing. Next time I ask if the freq. is in use after listening for 20 minutes and he comes on and says O YES, it is, I'm going to do just that, send it to Riley H. If we don't start to do something about it, there is no need us griping about them either. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
I'm not one to intentionally stir up strife so I will only say that I have to go along with Jim on this issue. I have been a broadcast engineer for twenty-some years with more AM experience than many of my broadcast peers. I love radio. That's why this is my hobby AND my vocation. For some silly reason I feel that occasionally I have something to offer here. Like Jim, I have posted viable comments and been belittled, ignored and once or twice thanked off-list. When I saw Jim's suggestion about the other forum, I checked into it and signed up. I have only recently picked up AM boat anchor gear which I am working on to get on the air. I have had several exchanges with Jim which have been very helpful not to mention cordial. My only regret is that I have a lot of real work going on right now and not as much time to play as I'd like. I'm chomping at the bit to get on AM! Some of this makes me wonder why. I try never to be rude on the air; but, from this list I know who I'll more readily answer when I do get on. Come on folks, let's all grow up. Be gentlemen here and on the air. Its never too late to do the right thing. Steve White, W5SAW Jim Wilhite wrote: To you Pete and all, I posted Ted's site as a viable alternative to AM Fone. On Ted's site, you will receive a respectful answer to any post made. My comments were not intended to implicate or indite a particular person or group. It was mentioned so if anyone West of the Mississippi would like an alternative, it is available. The person to which I referred made several snide remarks to technical posts I made rather than be inclusive and disagree in a respectful manner. In fact his comments is what first made me uneasy with the direction of the board to becoming more regionalized. You, however, have always be respectful to all who post there. This despite the fact that I have seen several really take you to task over your support of the ARRL. You have also responded to inquiries I have made in in the past. I suppose the difference may be that you were (are) in the manual business and recognize the value of respect for your peers, whereas some over there do not have the benefit of trying to please most people. Jim W5JO Under Rules, it says: This is radio site dedicated to AM. The reason most come here is to meet and exchange information about our mode and hobby. Obviously, their is no requirement to have a amateur license since many short wave listeners and general radio/electronic experimenters are also interested in AM and in some of our technical discussions. The technical discussion threads can vary all over the place. Although I can't place the person you referred to below, it could be he's been a long time friend to many who responded to his posts. Could be any number of reasons. Pete, wa2cwa __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
When a reflector has less than 100 members, it's sometimes a lot easier to get responses to each of your posts. As the reflector grows, it can become more difficult to expect to get a response to each response you make. I'm sure if I went and reviewed all my posts made over the last year, I'm willing to bet there are probably hundreds of them where I made a response and then there were no subsequent posts to support, refute, laugh at, etc. what I said. I don't take it personality and definitely don't let it bother me. I learned long ago that getting aggravated, pissed, etc. over things I can't control was not a healthy exercise. And, more importantly, I never let someone's taking me to task over any post bother me personality. Sometimes there are valid arguments and discussion, and sometimes there aren't. And, I agree, that snide remarks whether done in fun or self-gratification (and sometimes difficult to determine by the moderators unless they know the history of the poster) to a particular post sometimes will undermine the entire tone of the rest of the posting. Part of a moderators job is to weed these out if possible. Anyway, we've probably spent more time here than necessary for this discussion. Bottom line is that we're all free to go and do wherever our typing fingers take us. See you on the radio Pete, wa2cwa On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:42:55 -0500 Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To you Pete and all, I posted Ted's site as a viable alternative to AM Fone. On Ted's site, you will receive a respectful answer to any post made. My comments were not intended to implicate or indite a particular person or group. It was mentioned so if anyone West of the Mississippi would like an alternative, it is available. The person to which I referred made several snide remarks to technical posts I made rather than be inclusive and disagree in a respectful manner. In fact his comments is what first made me uneasy with the direction of the board to becoming more regionalized. You, however, have always be respectful to all who post there. This despite the fact that I have seen several really take you to task over your support of the ARRL. You have also responded to inquiries I have made in in the past. I suppose the difference may be that you were (are) in the manual business and recognize the value of respect for your peers, whereas some over there do not have the benefit of trying to please most people. Jim W5JO __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM activity from 5-land
On 4/3/07, A.R.S. - W5AMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a video camera and video/audio your rx for 30 minutes with you in the room and get it recorded Don! There are some 4 landers on 3725 (W5RED is one of them) that do the same thing. Next time I ask if the freq. is in use after listening for 20 minutes and he comes on and says O YES, it is, I'm going to do just that, send it to Riley H. If we don't start to do something about it, there is no need us griping about them either. I wondered who that was. I don't hear them so well up here most nights, but they've come in before when I was in QSO and talked right over us, plenty loud. The remarks they've made lead me to believe they know full well what they are doing. The 'dead air' scenario Don describes has happened to me also. As a result, I no longer ask if the frequency is in use if I've been listening for an extended period and heard nothing. If it's only a few minutes, different story, but asking seems to be an invitation for them to claim the frequency, even if they aren't using it. It's also a good reason to move around a bit, to keep folks from developing ownership issues. The other scenario is a fellow who calls what appears to be every callsign he knows, asking if they are on the frequency. Maybe he's reading off QRZ or from an old callbook. I think it's his attempt to get 'their' frequency and keep it until the others show up. The only times they succeed is when no one responds to my CQ. Some 'irregular' regular activity would go a long ways at keeping folks accustomed to our presence on the bands. By that I mean, being on regularly, but not following a set pattern of frequency and so on. I think this is what has helped draw so many folks to AM down below 3800. ~ Todd KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] RE: [AM Radio] West Coast Activity?
Craig wd8kdg comments: Your location puts you in the heart of the majority of the AM ops in the pacific northwest. Could your receiver need some attention? The main problem with the NW AM group is I am in a valley at the west side of the Cascade foothills. All the predominant AMers are over the hill NE of me. I think the ground wave is just not making it here at the present time. I have been using my SB-301 the AM filter for listening to 3870. It is in good condition. The major problem is the indoor antenna. But then I can sometimes receive W1AW CW practice on 80M. Very strong. The only 40M phone I have found has been SSB and then mostly during contests. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Near Seattle, Wa Real Radios Glow In The Dark __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
On 4/3/07, Stevan A. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not one to intentionally stir up strife so I will only say that I have to go along with Jim on this issue. I have been a broadcast engineer for twenty-some years with more AM experience than many of my broadcast peers. I love radio. That's why this is my hobby AND my vocation. For some silly reason I feel that occasionally I have something to offer here. Like Jim, I have posted viable comments and been belittled, ignored and once or twice thanked off-list. When I saw Jim's suggestion about the other forum, I checked into it and signed up. Whoa Stevan! I don't think Jim is talking about this email reflector, unless I missed the boat somewhere. If you have been belittled on this email reflector, please send me the details privately and I will look into it. Brian / w5ami __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
I had a tough time there too, for a while. Not because anyone was intentionally avoiding me though. I'd been off the air for anything but emergency comms and testing for over 10 years, and many of my old friends were either dead or not on the 'net. Folks just didn't know or remember me, because I still wasn't on the air when I started to get active again. Seems to me that anywhere you just show up, people will tend to be a bit standoffish if they don't know who you are. Like Pete, I've had some remarks tossed my way from time to time, but ignore any ill intent. It's not a lot different than the real world, and you can't be thin-skinned if you want to enjoy yourself. I've made remarks on there about 'pissweak' stations, for example. Not to belittle, but because I've been there myself and know how it feels to be on 75 at night and not heard. When I was last on back in the early 90s, a 32V running 100 watts couldn't be heard most nights due to natural band noise as well as QRM. The guys wanted me to join in, but if I tried, it could cost them the frequency to some rude SSB ops. Even before AMfone, when I was posting to the AM Window, there were plenty of times I posted and got few or no responses. Again, it comes with the territory of not being known. I'm just the hard-headed type who will keep trying. I figure if they really don't want me, I'll make them say so. They just had to get used to me. I credit amfone and this reflector with most of the AM friends I have. If I'm going somewhere, I post my intentions and meet new folks, attend hamfests, visit stations or whatever else is possible. Realize that, like any group, it takes both sides some time to get acquainted. Many of the folks I correspond with are not from New England or even the northeast. And I certainly don't see amfone as a 'northeast' group. Skip, K7YOO is a regular, along with many others beyond 1,2,3 Land. Lately we've been trying to help Ellen, AF9J, get an AM station together and on the air. As Brian said, attitude plays a big role, all the way around. It's what you make it, really. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ On 4/3/07, Stevan A. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something to offer here. Like Jim, I have posted viable comments and been belittled, ignored and once or twice thanked off-list. When I saw Jim's suggestion about the other forum, I checked into it and signed up. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Enough of this thread!. My mailbox has been overstuffed for the past week!! Just get on the air and have fun. 73, John, W4AWM ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
I admit, I mostly listen in the usual places, I don't tune all over all the bands every time I turn the equipment on. Last Saturday and Sunday I listened and called CQ on 7285 and up for 1/2 hour with no response. I also tuned around 3870 to 3890 and heard KG2IR in QSO with someone weak and decided against jumping in. I rarely get on AM at night because of the XYL and neighbors watching VCR's and the lack of anything interesting. It seems like old friends goofing off (which is fine). There are groups on 80 I wont join, although I would talk to most of them individually. I don't listen all that much at night but I don't hear a lot I object to, some stuff does not seem appropriate for radio, and maybe if I listened all the time it would bother me. Working someone new from 4 land or any other place is always a treat for me, that happens mostly on 40 where I spend most of my time. New people are interesting, they do different things, have different radios, different weather, etc. I find it hard to believe there is any real bias against any area, but there are close knit groups of people that talk, visit, go to fests, swap equipment and know each other real well. Brett N2DTS Todd, KA1KAQ comments: Folks seem to expect all sorts of activity to exist for their pleasure and convenience, when they turn on the rig. Calling CQ appears to be a dying art, along with hamfests, CW, amateur radio, comon sense, apple pie, etc etc... One of my problems is not knowing where or when to look. The other is I am not one to call CQ unless I know I have a receiver that is working. And I am working on an improved antenna that probably won't be ready until summer. Limited funds! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Near Seattle, Wa Real Radios Glow In The Dark __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
- Original Message - From: A.R.S. - W5AMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum On 4/2/07, Bill Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, from what can be heard, the group isn't large, in spite of what they would like it to be. It would appear there are 1 or 2 stations with others that follow on. The offenders apparently run a tremendous amount of power. They are also apparently unusually if not oddly committed, as they can be found there 365 days a year. Second of all, they have taken the belated courtesy of moving at least slightly off frequency (perhaps 1kHz) during the AMI net. At calmer moments they move off the frequency altogether. That should give you and other AM operators the opportunity to check in. It would be very welcome if you would operate AM on the AM calling frequency before they get started to remind them that they have moved in on a very active AM frequency, or suggest to them that they really are interfering. I am, however, afraid any attempt at the latter would only reinforce their intent. I understand 3870 has been a popular AM frequency for approximately 25 years, well before the SSB guys in TX took up their roost. I know they were not active when I first participated in AM fifteen years ago. In any event 3870 is currently identified by the ARRL as the West Coast AM call in frequency. It would be a pleasure to think they would be gentlemen enough to find a meeting place outside the AM window. Bill, I guess I don't get it. First of all, what does any of this have to do with the original topic posted? If you have to ask Second, what would you have us 5 landers do? Fight your battles for you guys in 6 Land? This SSB group is a lot bigger than the 2 or 3 you suggest, and I for one am not going to lay a carrier on them just because I can! There seem to be only one or two, not two or three. I don't think I need to repeat myself, please re-read the post, above. What exactly are you asking or suggesting us 5 landers do for you? There are groups of 6 and 7 landers that get in between 3880 and 3890 daily on SSB. Do you think we would suggest you 6 landers just take care of that for us? Do you really suggest this is a personal affront? 3870 is in the AM window, and 3870 is recognized by the ARRL as the West Coast Call-In frequency. We would welcome your activity. Maybe I'm missing the big point here... There isn't any big point. The little point is 3870 is a popular AM frequency in an AM window between 3870 and 3885. 73 de Bill, AB6MT [EMAIL PROTECTED] 73 w5ami __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Bill Smith wrote: There isn't any big point. The little point is 3870 is a popular AM frequency in an AM window between 3870 and 3885. But, that's where a -lot- of people make the mistake of saying that there -is- a Window, Bill. Officially, the ARRL recognizes 3.885Mc as the Calling Frequency for 75m AM, period. There is no 'window' (save for the AM Window website, run by WB3HUZ) where there's only AM found. Speaking of the AM Window Website, I found Ken/W2DTC's entry there, and some audio bites that's he's recorded. Remember, in this thread, when KA1KAQ said: Todd, KA1KAQ wrote: Third, I understand and agree with comments made by Geoff and others about some of the idiotic behavior that goes on in the northeast on 75. It goes on elsewhere as well. Not to the extent that happens up in the NorthEast... Listen for yourself. http://kenw2dtc.home.comcast.net/sound-bites.htm Now, -someone- from up in the NorthEast tell Jim, Brian myself and others down in the 5-land area, and else where, what make's 'youse guys' so much better than everyone else? That's the feeling -we- get. -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Todd, I will not quit reading AM Fone. I will, however, not originate topics nor answer any ongoing threads. I will respond if someone directs a query to me. I am pleased to be a member of a group of people such as yourself, Don/KYV, Gary/FMX, Jim/JKO, Pete/WCA and many who do try to assist and befriend others, rather than ignoring or shutting their comments out no matter how long I have known them. I feel it is my obligation to promote Amateur Radio, in general, and AM operation specifically. Each new person I meet is welcome to join any conversations, proffer any criticism or add information to my comments as long as it is respectful. That is also a part of my reason for supporting Ted's board.http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/index.php I do not care what equipment they use nor do I care about their location. It should be a total group thing as you, Pete, Don, Brian and many others support. As for hearing me, I find it funny that some of the guys that avoided talking to me live in rural areas with less noise than you Todd, yet you gave me a good signal report as does anyone who contacts me. Makes on wonder. Ted's board has a much less noise ratio and I have been a member since its inception. I have never seen a response there as the example I cited on AM Fone. So, thankfully I spend as much time on the air as possible which is were I draw my inspiration for repairing or modifying equipment. There I share my stories, successes, and failures. See you on the radio, live it up. Jim W5JO Well Jim, I appreciate your position and opinions in the matter, I'm just sorry you think that starting or moving to yet another board is the best recourse. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
When the band is open, most AM operation is between 7270 to 7300 around New Jersey (eastern US and Canada really). 7290 and 7295 used to be very popular, and I try to get on 7285 as there is a broadcast hole there, otherwise carriers start about 2pm on 7290 sometimes. Lately, before the band crapped out, I used to wait for SSB operators that seemed to have skeds there, they would clear out by 10AM or so. In the past, after the ssb guys were gone, there would be 3 or 4 round tables right next to each other, with 6 or so people in each, all running everything you can think of, art-13, Gonset G76, a 32V3, an old Missner thing, a home brew screen modulated whatever, a kenwood, a globe scout, a ranger, a DX 60b and a desk killowatt. Things would roll on till about 3pm when the broadcast stuff made it to rough to continue. You had people from Canada and everything east of the Mississippi, some doing 20 over 9 with 25 watts and so on. Brett Perhaps Brett or someone else can comment more on 40m. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
On 4/3/07, Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to the extent that happens up in the NorthEast... True, if you have a smaller number of people participating, less often, even if the percentage of idiots remains constant, it only makes sense that you'll have more bad activity by sheer numbers. Of course, we can't as easily record stuff in other parts of the country, but I've heard a few AM clips from down south, and recently heard a 4-Lander belching repeatedly on the air. It was probably just some SSBer trying to make things look worse than they are. Now, -someone- from up in the NorthEast tell Jim, Brian myself and others down in the 5-land area, and else where, what make's 'youse guys' so much better than everyone else? That's the feeling -we- get. No can do, Geoff - it seems to be an opinion originated and held by 'youse guys' as I surely don't feel that way. In fact, the one time I heard you on the air (when the wind was blowing just right up north here), I wanted very much to chat with you since I wasn't sure when or even if I'd hear you again. Think I was in the process of signing off to go do something important, like make dinner. Maybe you can elaborate on where or how you got this 'feeling'? Did someone tell you this, or is it more due to the prolific posting, many stations on the air from 1,2,3 land, unwillingness we have to let the SSB ops tell us when we can operate and where or ? I talk with Don, K4KYV fairly often. Granted, he's only in -4- land, but I've never gotten the impression he thinks he's any better than anyone, and I'm damned sure certain he doesn't think I am. I've learn a lot from him on amfone.net, here, and on the air. I've talked with Brian a few times, Jim a few times, and you almost once Geoff. Have I given you the idea that being from the northeast makes me better than you? With the crazy political and wx climate, I'm actually more than ready to leave. So in closing - yes, we have some idiots up here, just like anywhere else. Yes, we do have a good group who helps each other, many of whom participate regularly on the air as well. But if what you're really saying is that our posting more, chatting back and forth more, knowing each other better than we know people we've never met, working together to save the NE's biggest hamfest and so on somehow gives you the perception that we're better, I suggest you look to your own amount of participation and ask - what's holding me back? Can't blame propogation for conditions on an internet BBS. (o: Perceptions can be tricky things. Don't let them spoil your fun for you. I consider any AMers who are actively persuing the mode as friends, regardless of where they live. In fact, most of my close AM buddies live outside of New England or the northeast. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
Bob, Not sure how it is there, but in the past, 40 meters was great to operate on in the daytime on weekends. I would spend winter weekend mornings on 40, you could very often get by with 25 watts, 100 watts was a strong station! Short wave broadcast did not start till about 2 or 3pm, just in time to start cooking dinner! Of late, I suspect the sunspot cycle has eaten 40 meters in the daytime, at night there seems to be plenty of CW. I never actually tried 40 AM at night as it was filled up with broadcast, I wonder what kind of skip you would have... You might just have to wait, but when it comes around again, your indoor antenna and some little rig may work great on 40. Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Macklin Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:02 AM To: AM Radio Subject: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity? How about a change of subject? I live just south of Seattle. I live in a 4th floor senior apartment and only have a 40M antenna running around the wall near the ceiling. My penelty for not having a decent retirement plan. But when I moved into this pace in 2003 I could copy several of the NW AM group on 3870. But as the Solar Cycle has progressed they have dropped down into the noise. They operate between about 4:30PM and 6PM Pacific time most afternoons. I am told the intentionally quit before the band goes long. BUt I do receive the West Coast RTTY net at 8PM very vell most of the time. This is on about 3590. I have copied stations in BC and Calif. But evening AM activity has been ZIP! When I first moved here I could also copy the Calif. AM group on 14,286 about 4PM. Now what I hear there is SSB. Maybe they were driven away. I was also told to check 7290 around noon on weekends. I have done this with no luck. I am at the point of not knowing if the problem is tha solar cycle or just a lack of activity. On contest days I hear all kinds of activity. So my antenna while not really good, is not totally bad. And on my SX-110 I can hear the South American SW stations very nicely! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Near Seattle, Wa Real Radios Glow In The Dark __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Jim, Besides that fact that the guys on 3870 seem to have a favorite conversation piece... Their Amplifiers... They are all running near legal limit power most of the time. Bow W5EFR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Wilhite Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 08:27 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum Bill some years back I lived in Las Cruces, NM and operated on 3.870 plus 7.293 where I met many congenial hams. Bill/W7US, Dennis/W7QHO, Gary/ W7GMK and Lock/W1ZD all of which participated in the 3.870 group. When I moved from there to Texas, they took the initiative to contact me by email as a friend a compatriot. That remains today and recently Lock and Gary looked me up to invite me back. That is the kind of thing that makes friends. It is not the attitude I receive from the other coast. I do wish I could communicate with the West coast, but the group of SSBers Brian mentioned are adamant about causing trouble. They set up shop there some years ago when propagation was such that they could not hear you guys out there. Now that they can, they constantly complain about the interference. Really the best alternative is to change frequency for small roundtables, but that would be difficult to achieve. Other than that, we could get on SSB and tell them we are going to join you and get ready for the fight. That is about our only options at this point. I do wish civility prevailed in these matters but, sadly, it doesn't. 73 Jim W5JO On 4/2/07, Bill Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one would like to see 5-land AM activity on 3870. We seem to have a very active, if few in number, contingent of SSB operator(s) on the West Coast Calling Frequency. Where are AM operators? There is only one station from Oklahoma who checks in regularly to the West Coast AMI net, Wednesday's at 8:00pm, 7:00pm Central Time. He also participates in groups that form on other nights of the week. If there are 100 stations operating AM in Texas, why none on 3870? Bill, __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/743 - Release Date: 4/2/2007 16:24 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/743 - Release Date: 4/2/2007 16:24 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] West Coast Activity?
Brett N2DTS comments: Bob, Not sure how it is there, but in the past, 40 meters was great to operate on in the daytime on weekends. I would spend winter weekend mornings on 40, you could very often get by with 25 watts, 100 watts was a strong station! Short wave broadcast did not start till about 2 or 3pm, just in time to start cooking dinner! Of late, I suspect the sunspot cycle has eaten 40 meters in the daytime, at night there seems to be plenty of CW. I never actually tried 40 AM at night as it was filled up with broadcast, I wonder what kind of skip you would have... You might just have to wait, but when it comes around again, your indoor antenna and some little rig may work great on 40. I will start leaving the Rx on 7290 weekend and see if I can hear anything. I have 3 HF receivers so I may just leave one on 7280, one on 7285, and one on 7290. Wish I had a panadapter for the SB-301. It's easier to look over at the scope every few minutes than trying to tune around all day. Because I live in this valley I feel I will have a better chance on 40M because of my antenna limitation. I know I am not the only one with this problem. The predominent AM activity seems to be on 75M. This is supposed to be the best night time band. But I hear more CW on 40M than on 80M. Again it may be the antenna. But I do hear W1AW (sometimes) and I do hear the West Coast RTTY net on a regular bassis. Is 20M AM just being ignored? I never read any comments about it anymore. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Near Seattle, Wa Real Radios Glow In The Dark __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
--- A.R.S. - W5AMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipp happens I think Todd has a real point about too many choose to use the internet instead of getting on the damned air! Maybe I should close down AMRadio for a few months and see what happens! I've been following this general thread and figure it is time to kill two birds with one email. I don't have an AM transmitter on the air; since I haven't built one yet. I don't expect to be one the air on AM until later in the year, but I enjoy listening audio and style of an AM QSO. I'm in the process of changing careers and hope to have more time to get on the air, soon. Until I find the time to get the parts together, I'm listening to the chatter on the air and watching the posts on this mailing list, mostly to pick up who is who and has what and is doing whatever. I appreciate this group, and don't mind the occasional airing of complaints and such; for I choose to ignore most of it and look for the real treasures worth keeping in my inbox. The AM Forum is something I value, so please don't rashly shut it down for the sake of an occasional pisser. So this is my two cents to the fellows who wish to hear more on this list from a cowboy in Texas. Mike Mertes KZ5M TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] The AM list/forum thread
Okay folks! This has gotten very confusing for many, and I think it's time to move on to other topics. First, I've seen replies on here about the fact I am closing down the AM Forum!! I can't do that, and wouldn't if I could. I was talking about THIS email list, which has NOTHING to do with the am forums on amfone.net!!! Read the emails before you reply!! Please _DO_ get back to something else. Nuf said here! 73 Brian / w5ami -- Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Bow wrote: Jim, Besides that fact that the guys on 3870 seem to have a favorite conversation piece... Their Amplifiers... They are all running near legal limit power most of the time. Near? as in 1kw beyond 1.5kw near? don't think so... -- __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
Yes Bow, and if someone forgets to add compression and turn all the knobs right, they remind him. Jim W5JO Jim, Besides that fact that the guys on 3870 seem to have a favorite conversation piece... Their Amplifiers... They are all running near legal limit power most of the time. Bow W5EFR __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM Forum
sorry, Brian.. but somewhere, I apparently lost the ability to 'cut-n-paste'. http://w2dtc.com/w2dtc-sound-bites-page.htm Last word from me. -- 73 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] [Fwd: Re: Bela AMM-2A Mod Monitor Manual]
First, my thanks to Grant for scanning and emailing me the Belar AMM-2A Modulation Monitor manual I asked about just yesterday. Second, my apology to Brian, Jim and the entire group for misunderstanding which of the AM groups Jim was referring to. It can be confusing trying to keep AM Radio, AM Window and AM Fone sorted out. Thanks also to those who were quick to respond to me and encourage me to hang in there. I'll look forward to meeting as many of you as I can when I get my DX-100 on the air. Best Regards, Stevan A. White, W5SAW SW Commercial Electronics 928 South Crockett Street Amarillo, Texas 79102 Phone 806-681-7228 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can tell more about a person by what he says about others than you can by what others say about him. -- Leo Aikman, Writer and Newspaper Editor Grant Youngman wrote: Enjoy .. :-) Grant/NQ5T __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] [Fwd: Re: Bela AMM-2A Mod Monitor Manual]
Please email Harold Hallikainen a copy of that manual for his archive site so others can make use of it as well :) http://sujan.hallikainen.org/BroadcastHistory/ Thank You, --- Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree - Original Message - From: Stevan A. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AM Radio Mail List amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: [AMRadio] [Fwd: Re: Bela AMM-2A Mod Monitor Manual] First, my thanks to Grant for scanning and emailing me the Belar AMM-2A Modulation Monitor manual I asked about just yesterday. Second, my apology to Brian, Jim and the entire group for misunderstanding which of the AM groups Jim was referring to. It can be confusing trying to keep AM Radio, AM Window and AM Fone sorted out. Thanks also to those who were quick to respond to me and encourage me to hang in there. I'll look forward to meeting as many of you as I can when I get my DX-100 on the air. Best Regards, Stevan A. White, W5SAW SW Commercial Electronics 928 South Crockett Street Amarillo, Texas 79102 Phone 806-681-7228 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can tell more about a person by what he says about others than you can by what others say about him. -- Leo Aikman, Writer and Newspaper Editor Grant Youngman wrote: Enjoy .. :-) Grant/NQ5T __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] The Complaint against W8VYZ
Don mentioned that item in his post about the gardians of the airways. What is its current status? I haven't read anything about it since it was posted widely via AR Newsline, etdc. Mike, K5XU Mike Duke, K5XU American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM activity from 5-land
Don said: I'd also like to hear more AM activity from 5-land in the new Extra class portion of 75m. From the day of the band expansion, AM'ers have attempted to congregate near both sides of the 3700 kc/s boundary, in the upper part of the Extra segment and lower part of the Advanced segment. There was much enthusiam and much AM activity during the first couple of weeks after the expansion, but as the novelty wore off, AM activity down there has become very sparse, and most of the AM activity has migrated back up the 3870-90 kc/s ghetto. I frequently call CQ AM, but most of my responses are from SSB operators who decided to give AM a try, sometimes for the very first time. Many of these have turned out to be very interesting and enjoyable QSO's, and some of these operators have expressed interest in continuing to participate in AM activity now that they have experienced it. However, I would like to hear more activity by the AM regulars in that part of the band. Don k4kyv Don, I have found that I have a few 'rocks' at 3710, 3745, and 3645 that I can use in my MK-214D. I didn't make any contacts until Sunday when I hooked up with John, W3JN. I intend to make frequent sojourns there now that the spring/summer hash has made its appearance. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Partner Website: http://www.amfone.net Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
