[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long before James A. Bradley was even born, Cobblers were crafting shoes and boots for communities when the family of the Cobbler walked barefoot or in less than comfortable footwear. Werner has a personal situation, exacerbated by personal and offical attacks, yet still shares his wisdom for the greater good of the city. Let us recall that those attacks have cost Werner money and esteem. I ask all of you to put yourselves in Werner's shoes and think again. How many of us have actually been forced into a corner without a resource but are still willing to share our knowledge. Not me, well, maybe, I have learned from a great teacher. With a few exceptions that I am aware of, many of Werner's critics on this forum have never met Werner. I have. Werner could win the majority of debates and if he lost, would conceded with grandeur. My best advice to all of you is that if you choose to attack, make certain that your know your opponent well. That man in the scary house might actualy be the guy watching your back! As we watch the economy bundgy jumping, we must realize that any one of us may face the budget that Werner deals with daily. Would any of YOU be willing to take time away from your own situation to attempt to better the situation of those around you? Would you? This is just my opinion, but please try to think out of the box. Glenn = Glenn, You are indeed a gentleman to offer your thoughts so openly. Much appreciated during this difficult time for me. It's been a pleasure getting to know you. Your caliber far exceeds those who would typically lay claim to Asbury Park. Best Regards - Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New One
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of us all getting into another distracting argument, can't we look at this another way. First off, I joined this group to read about AP. It's history, what's going on in the city, redevelopment progress, Cookman, activity on the west side, etc. For awhile now, the group has gotten off that track, and often, the detour involves much arguing and name calling. I'm not pointing my finger at any one person, but it's pretty easy to exercise self control when posting, and we all know each other pretty well. That being said, please, let's all stop fighting, me included, and let's let this group be about AP. If it keeps getting endlessly sidetracked, I'll just take a vacation from it, like I have before. Maybe I'm the problem... Jack, I couldn't agree more. Thank you for stepping up and putting it out so plainly. Our City, our Communities, are rich with potential and opportunity yet face pressing issues that few wish to address. Hope all is well with you - stick around - Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the ad was from 1903. Brilliantly is relative. Asbury Park was on the cutting edge of using new technologies. Two factors played in that, founder James Bradley and the recognition that visitors were attracted to the newest innovations. Being a progressive resort, many technologies were taken advantage of such as sanitary sewers, centralized gas and water distribution, along with electric lighting. Keep in mind that the lighting of that day was nothing like what is available today A typical bulb put out far less light than those of today.. dim by comparison, and of a different color. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on the walls and in books? That's it? How about something a bit more dramatic. There's a whole mystery behind the Morro C. === The Morro Castle grounded across from the Sunset Avenue Pavilion. I cant think of a more appropriate place for a museum/memorial than one of the storefronts there. It would create a attraction to venture north beyond the ConHall. Recall that there is no commercial/retail activity in that corridor. Hopefully someone will not expect me to fix my house before running with that idea. :-( Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Thanks for picking up on the word brilliantly... The old ads are a piece of history themselves. AP was one of THE destinations. Imagine if there were hotels or motels for people to say at once they came in for entertainment. Especially FREE entertainment combined with the paid entertainement. Which goes back to whoever posted about their weekend condo and coming down for the weekend and going to dinner once... While that is great and doesn't impact the schools or real services of everyday AP (therefore the taxes paid aren't used) - it doesn't do much for the guy in town on a daily basisand an example of how many condos will be used. But, someone can say that those part-timers will spend MORE money when they are in town then those full0time residents. T or F? Mosquito free AP (another old ad) AP had no marsh lands... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? If we still had as many venues as we once had, and outdoor summer concerts on the beach, and the Arthur Pryor Bandshell in use, then we'd plenty to attact people. The city lost a huge opportunity by letting it's musical heritage slip away. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have already suggested, but I don't know There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the works...), etc watch for them soon. Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The real history of AP's real glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone else to trip over them. Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. Add to that AP's undocumented history... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James Cagney (in dictating a letter to Pat O'Brien regarding what a third person is supposed to be saying to his missing wife) says, I did not go down on the Morro Castle! And at the conclusion of the 1935 Spencer Tracy film Dante's Inferno a gambling cruise ship (resembling the Morro Castle) is completely ablaze. The 1944 movie Minstral Man also features the fire and sinking of the Morro Castle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the memorial there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since 9/11, but before that, when it was open, I made a visit once. The person at the visitors center said that maybe a few 100 people visit every year, with less as the years go by. If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions, and if the price is right, they are usually recession proof. Austin TX thrives because of it's music and entertainment scene. Memphis has Beele street. Nashville is all about music tourism. NYC packs people into their theaters and concert halls, and below that there's a myriad of places that carry on the tradition of CBGBs etc. AP once had that kind of draw, but the venues are disappearing, and the boardwalk has been made into a high end retail location that I predict will fail big time this winter. If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. But, my thoughts on this are a complete waste, because it's just not going to happen, because our city doesn't recognize what it let slip thru it's fingers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James Cagney (in dictating a letter to Pat O'Brien regarding what a third person is supposed to be saying to his missing wife) says, I did not go down on the Morro Castle! And at the conclusion of the 1935 Spencer Tracy film Dante's Inferno a gambling cruise ship (resembling the Morro Castle) is completely ablaze. The 1944 movie Minstral Man also features the fire and sinking of the Morro Castle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? True to an extent. You need BIG things like BIG entertainment and little things like regular free entertainment and something as simple as a plaque. AP kept the morro around for a couple years then because people wanted to see it sitting there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
Oak is that really an ad for AP from 1903? The lights were Brilliantly Illuminated until dawn? That should settle the arguement taking place on this board over beach front lighting. I smell complete vindication. They new back then that visitors wanted a brilliantly lit place at night so they would feel safe (not to mention awake to stay out longer). It's just plain common sense. There is no contrary view grounded in the reality of tourism. Even when I was there Sunday night, when we walked onto the boardwalk looking for the Watermark Door (didn't know it was on Ocean Ave) I could sense right away there wasn't enough lights to make an outsider feel safe. First thing I did when I got to the boards was look left to make sure no one was going to jump out form behind the container/store. Bright, bright lights - they make a tourist feel good. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the ad was from 1903. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak is that really an ad for AP from 1903? The lights were Brilliantly Illuminated until dawn? I'll post it tomorrow. BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then (who really knows...what people felt then, remember, they had meetings to discuss the noise coming the ferris wheel house...) No AC, so they wanted to stay out late and sleep on the beach when it was really hot... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Yeah, I could see a walk thru, well done museum about the Morro Castle, but I think the public would need a reintroduction to it, because I doubt many people living today still have a conscience connection between AP and that disaster. AP also has Bud Abbott and Arthur Pryor in it's history. I also think that we have a history involving the African American community that's been all but overlooked. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? True to an extent. You need BIG things like BIG entertainment and little things like regular free entertainment and something as simple as a plaque. AP kept the morro around for a couple years then because people wanted to see it sitting there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
In a message dated 11/25/2008 10:20:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions,... If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. = I'm all for the focus on music you mention above. But a few years ago, before Cookman and our boardwalk came alive again, I used to take visitors to Point Pleasant Beach where the Tiki Bar was my favorite destination. ;-) A few benny friends spotted Jenkinson's aquarium and and wanted to go in. Never an aquarium fan, I had to be dragged into the place. Turned out it was entertaining and great fun. I realize that it isn't a simple attraction--looks like they didn't take the cheapest route--so we may not be ready for such risks -- yet. But I also see their web site is inviting tourists to the Aquarium's Sea of Lights, dressed in its holiday best during December and into January: http://www.jenkinsons.com/aquarium/index.cfm Happy Thanksgiving all. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/ ?optin=new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
The concept of lighting in our boardwalk area is not a competition about who's right and wrong. 1903's Brilliant was much different then 2008, and you can't make a fair, or accurate comparison. And, the discussion about lighting isn't just about how much is appropriate, it's more about what kind of equipment is being used. At the moment, AP really isn't being a good neighbor to Ocean Grove because of the overblown lighting in the Casino Parking lot. During most nights of the week, the boardwalk area is pretty much a ghost town, and our city is wasting lot's of money lighting up empty lot's. The light on top of The Berkley would be more appropriate for a disaster then nightly use. I agree that lighting makes people feel safer, but the city didn't make enough effort to install the right kind of lighting fixtures, that fit better into the area they are illuminating. Remember about a year ago when I was looking into buying a telescope? Well, I bought one, and now, I have to go to the Ocean Grove beach, or elsewhere to use it, because light pollution is out of control. I'd also suggest looking at last months National Geographic. The main article is all about light pollution, and ways to illuminate an area that are more realistic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak is that really an ad for AP from 1903? The lights were Brilliantly Illuminated until dawn? That should settle the arguement taking place on this board over beach front lighting. I smell complete vindication. They new back then that visitors wanted a brilliantly lit place at night so they would feel safe (not to mention awake to stay out longer). It's just plain common sense. There is no contrary view grounded in the reality of tourism. Even when I was there Sunday night, when we walked onto the boardwalk looking for the Watermark Door (didn't know it was on Ocean Ave) I could sense right away there wasn't enough lights to make an outsider feel safe. First thing I did when I got to the boards was look left to make sure no one was going to jump out form behind the container/store. Bright, bright lights - they make a tourist feel good. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I think the ad was from 1903. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
I sometimes feel like I live in a different place than some of the posters. ap has been crazy busy the past few weekends as far as I can tell, isn't it ALREADY an attraction. Maybe fun is an attraction. Feels that way to me. Sat nite Stella looked busy, Paradise was packed and throbbing with dancers. Wonder Bar looked humming, there were cars all over the place. it seems like there are a lot of people on the board trying to eat the menu instead of the food. instead of living the coulda woulda shoulda existence, how about getting out and diving into it? and dropping some of your cash. lots of others are. you can be concerned about the budget AND dig the place. BTW drinks are affordable at Paradise and they had a special on absolut. Paradise is a beautifully mixed crowd, lights and sound are amazing. plus you get the buff men in cock socks. sorry guys it is what it is. you can spend a lot of time thinking ap (and life) could be better than it is, but you'll just die without having tasted what is offered which is pretty delicious. and you'll be as miserable and perception challenged as the anonymous maubdy who only posts to bash Werner. or the even more miserable code asshole who keeps getting off on giving him violations. what is that guy's deal? and what in God's name sleeps with him? he seems to be a perfect example of what Wilhelm Reich wrote about in Listen Little Man. somebody's pawn, somebody's bitch. maybe maubdy and he are the same person.? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the memorial there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since 9/11, but before that, when it was open, I made a visit once. The person at the visitors center said that maybe a few 100 people visit every year, with less as the years go by. If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions, and if the price is right, they are usually recession proof. Austin TX thrives because of it's music and entertainment scene. Memphis has Beele street. Nashville is all about music tourism. NYC packs people into their theaters and concert halls, and below that there's a myriad of places that carry on the tradition of CBGBs etc. AP once had that kind of draw, but the venues are disappearing, and the boardwalk has been made into a high end retail location that I predict will fail big time this winter. If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. But, my thoughts on this are a complete waste, because it's just not going to happen, because our city doesn't recognize what it let slip thru it's fingers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James Cagney (in dictating a letter to Pat O'Brien regarding what a third person is supposed to be saying to his missing wife) says, I did not go down on the Morro Castle! And at the conclusion of the 1935 Spencer Tracy film Dante's Inferno a gambling cruise ship (resembling the Morro Castle) is completely ablaze. The 1944 movie Minstral Man also features the fire and sinking of the Morro Castle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
You're right, AP is an attraction when music events are in town. Without them, it would be more of a ghost town. For me, the point is that it's obvious what will bring new people to the city, entertainment and dining. I think that should be the focus of new PR campaigns. The high end retail on the boardwalk isn't going to succeed year round in my opinion, and it's probably not going to succeed in the summer months too, because in our economy, people aren't showing up at a beach to go shopping at a mall. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sometimes feel like I live in a different place than some of the posters. ap has been crazy busy the past few weekends as far as I can tell, isn't it ALREADY an attraction. Maybe fun is an attraction. Feels that way to me. Sat nite Stella looked busy, Paradise was packed and throbbing with dancers. Wonder Bar looked humming, there were cars all over the place. it seems like there are a lot of people on the board trying to eat the menu instead of the food. instead of living the coulda woulda shoulda existence, how about getting out and diving into it? and dropping some of your cash. lots of others are. you can be concerned about the budget AND dig the place. BTW drinks are affordable at Paradise and they had a special on absolut. Paradise is a beautifully mixed crowd, lights and sound are amazing. plus you get the buff men in cock socks. sorry guys it is what it is. you can spend a lot of time thinking ap (and life) could be better than it is, but you'll just die without having tasted what is offered which is pretty delicious. and you'll be as miserable and perception challenged as the anonymous maubdy who only posts to bash Werner. or the even more miserable code asshole who keeps getting off on giving him violations. what is that guy's deal? and what in God's name sleeps with him? he seems to be a perfect example of what Wilhelm Reich wrote about in Listen Little Man. somebody's pawn, somebody's bitch. maybe maubdy and he are the same person.? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the memorial there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since 9/11, but before that, when it was open, I made a visit once. The person at the visitors center said that maybe a few 100 people visit every year, with less as the years go by. If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions, and if the price is right, they are usually recession proof. Austin TX thrives because of it's music and entertainment scene. Memphis has Beele street. Nashville is all about music tourism. NYC packs people into their theaters and concert halls, and below that there's a myriad of places that carry on the tradition of CBGBs etc. AP once had that kind of draw, but the venues are disappearing, and the boardwalk has been made into a high end retail location that I predict will fail big time this winter. If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. But, my thoughts on this are a complete waste, because it's just not going to happen, because our city doesn't recognize what it let slip thru it's fingers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James
[AsburyPark] Re: Stone Pony Closing for Repairs....
Glenn, In defense of Werner, you said a LOT in just a few paragraphs! Funny, Jesus was a victim of His own people, too! This forum, although mainly about Asbury Park, the City's Redevelopment, the starts, stops, C8, one and two, the parking meter fiasco, the Wonder Bar, a successful undertaking, which opened, closed and reopened and on and on. Werner, a gifted and talented individual, with a lot to offer in historical value, gets short shrifted, for a variety of reasons, mainly by 3 people in this group, who never post unless they want to put in a dig or criticism, which NOBODY of conscience, cares for and only divert attention away from REAL issues. By and large, a private individual, super intelligent and knowlegable about the historical aspects of this small city, that a lot of people want to lay claim to. Then there are others, including myself, who get jumped on, if we don't agree or have a different point of view, which in America is allowed by law to agree or disagree, but in this group, it can be almost fatal! The powers that be, will have you harrassed, arrested and jailed, if you don't dance to their particular tune, which now that Obama has been elected, true justice may prevail and the gestapo tactics of officials run amok, will end! There ARE people who agree with everything Werner states! I'm one of them! He is right on point, when he explains WHY the lights for example, are deficient. He explains WHY, the Palace SHOULDN'T have been demolished, JR! It was a LANDMARK! It spoke of what Asbury Park IS/WAS and COULD have been! We WERE a resort, dotted with small and large hotels/motels/inns, etc. A Coney Island, South! When I read posters speaking of frozen custard, hot dogs and lemonade, I think of what I found when I moved here, even after the riots! If the boardwalk had been demolished, I NEVER would have known! As a Catholic, I could never have Madam Marie read my palm, but I wanted her to; just for fun. My kids played miniature golf many times, before it was closed, went to the movies at the Baronet, bowled at Asbury Lanes. Kid stuff! There are some mean spirited people who post in this group, who really need a life anytime they take an innocent like Werner to pick on! Thanks Glenn! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long before James A. Bradley was even born, Cobblers were crafting shoes and boots for communities when the family of the Cobbler walked barefoot or in less than comfortable footwear. Werner has a personal situation, exacerbated by personal and offical attacks, yet still shares his wisdom for the greater good of the city. Let us recall that those attacks have cost Werner money and esteem. I ask all of you to put yourselves in Werner's shoes and think again. How many of us have actually been forced into a corner without a resource but are still willing to share our knowledge. Not me, well, maybe, I have learned from a great teacher. With a few exceptions that I am aware of, many of Werner's critics on this forum have never met Werner. I have. Werner could win the majority of debates and if he lost, would conceded with grandeur. My best advice to all of you is that if you choose to attack, make certain that your know your opponent well. That man in the scary house might actualy be the guy watching your back! As we watch the economy bundgy jumping, we must realize that any one of us may face the budget that Werner deals with daily. Would any of YOU be willing to take time away from your own situation to attempt to better the situation of those around you? Would you? This is just my opinion, but please try to think out of the box. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Werner has plenty of great ideas, and your attack on him was uncalled for. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny filecabinet768@ wrote: Werner, Do you honestly think anyone cares about your recomendations? You blow so much hot air that even if you came up with a good idea, nobody would bother to listen to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, AP is an attraction when music events are in town. Without them, it would be more of a ghost town. and come the spring and summer people will be complaing there's not enough parking, they had to wait to eat, they saw two men holding hands, the water park water was cold etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then No I reject that. Look at the ad - it is trying to convey what to the tourist? That the lights are BRILLIANT and on til DAWN! It doesn't say we have comparatively dim lights. The ad paints a picture: BRILLIANT LIGHTS! Why is the key question. Why advertise our BRILLIANT LIGHTS until DAWN? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT! THAT'S WHAT TOURISTS WANT!! Honestly - there isn't even an alternate arguement that's grounded in good development and tourism. If you are going to attract people - give them what they want. No AC, so they wanted to stay out late and sleep on the beach when it was really hot... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
You honestly need to take a chill pill and stop focusing on being right --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then No I reject that. Look at the ad - it is trying to convey what to the tourist? That the lights are BRILLIANT and on til DAWN! It doesn't say we have comparatively dim lights. The ad paints a picture: BRILLIANT LIGHTS! Why is the key question. Why advertise our BRILLIANT LIGHTS until DAWN? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT! THAT'S WHAT TOURISTS WANT!! Honestly - there isn't even an alternate arguement that's grounded in good development and tourism. If you are going to attract people - give them what they want. No AC, so they wanted to stay out late and sleep on the beach when it was really hot... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You honestly need to take a chill pill and stop focusing on being right Stop personalizing. The ad is objective evidence that supports my contention. It has nothing to do with me - it's the issue. And STFU. Everytime you personalize about me instead of focusing on the issue, since you won't stop at my request, I'm just going to tell yo to STFU. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
I also think you are missing the point that the lighting was a novelty back then. We've been living with outdoor lighting for more then a century now, and it's a normal part of life. The question in AP is simple - Are the fixtures being used appropriate for the usage? Are they cost effective? Could better fixtures have been utilized, that would've done the same job, more appropriately? And, what about the idea of being a better neighbor to Ocean Grove? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then No I reject that. Look at the ad - it is trying to convey what to the tourist? That the lights are BRILLIANT and on til DAWN! It doesn't say we have comparatively dim lights. The ad paints a picture: BRILLIANT LIGHTS! Why is the key question. Why advertise our BRILLIANT LIGHTS until DAWN? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT! THAT'S WHAT TOURISTS WANT!! Honestly - there isn't even an alternate arguement that's grounded in good development and tourism. If you are going to attract people - give them what they want. No AC, so they wanted to stay out late and sleep on the beach when it was really hot... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
Tommy - This isn't a court room, it's a message board. Treat it like one. I do focus on the issue. You focus on self promotion, and being right, at any cost. That's why your discussions go on and on forever. Because you need things to be the Tommy Show And that's the last thing I'm going to write directly to you. No need to waste more of this groups time with BS personal arguments. I can adhere to that. Can you? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You honestly need to take a chill pill and stop focusing on being right Stop personalizing. The ad is objective evidence that supports my contention. It has nothing to do with me - it's the issue. And STFU. Everytime you personalize about me instead of focusing on the issue, since you won't stop at my request, I'm just going to tell yo to STFU. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
--- not a drowning accident in its thrity years' existence as a seaside resort.. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think you are missing the point that the lighting was a novelty back then. Solar. The figuring out how to produce it cheap as is LED lighting. Go Green but make it affordable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
LED lighting with solar charging during the day. I love that idea! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I also think you are missing the point that the lighting was a novelty back then. Solar. The figuring out how to produce it cheap as is LED lighting. Go Green but make it affordable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Board Walk Brilliantly Illuminated By Electricity to Dawn
No you can't adhere to it. Oak posted something that supports my position. I pointed out that history is symmetrical with that position. In response, you said nothing about what Oak posted or the position, or if one supports the other (you know, the issue). So no, I don't think you can stop personalizing, just like the various conclusions you post about me below. If you want to stop, then stop. You are the only one making conclusions about me and not the lights. You won't find one conclusion about you or anyone else in my posts. I don't personalize. I know you are irked no matter what I post. Since that is personal, I have no choice but to tell you to STFU. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy - This isn't a court room, it's a message board. Treat it like one. I do focus on the issue. You focus on self promotion, and being right, at any cost. That's why your discussions go on and on forever. Because you need things to be the Tommy Show And that's the last thing I'm going to write directly to you. No need to waste more of this groups time with BS personal arguments. I can adhere to that. Can you? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: You honestly need to take a chill pill and stop focusing on being right Stop personalizing. The ad is objective evidence that supports my contention. It has nothing to do with me - it's the issue. And STFU. Everytime you personalize about me instead of focusing on the issue, since you won't stop at my request, I'm just going to tell yo to STFU. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Logic ????
Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Strawman. That light is inviting and safe and dark is scary is a concept unchanged since the dawn of consciousness. There is simple no way around that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
Yeah, but why should Ocean Grove have to deal with AP's excessive lighting? And why should the city be paying huge electric bills for lights that are on at times when there's nobody around? Appropriate lighting is great. Excessive lighting, like what we currently have, is a waste, not attractive and is an annoyance to residents who have to deal with it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Strawman. That light is inviting and safe and dark is scary is a concept unchanged since the dawn of consciousness. There is simple no way around that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
From National Geographic; Of all the pollutions we face, light pollution is perhaps the most easily remedied. Simple changes in lighting design and installation yield immediate changes in the amount of light spilled into the atmosphere and, often, immediate energy savings. It was once thought that light pollution only affected astronomers, who need to see the night sky in all its glorious clarity. And, in fact, some of the earliest civic efforts to control light pollutionin Flagstaff, Arizona, half a century agowere made to protect the view from Lowell Observatory, which sits high above that city. Flagstaff has tightened its regulations since then, and in 2001 it was declared the first International Dark Sky City. By now the effort to control light pollution has spread around the globe. More and more cities and even entire countries, such as the Czech Republic, have committed themselves to reducing unwanted glare. Here's a link to the article; http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/light-pollution/klinkenborg-text/1 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That light is inviting and safe and dark is scary is a concept unchanged since the dawn of consciousness. There is simple no way around that. That's why nightclubs are dark and dentist offices are bright. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
I don't think anyone wants the city to be dark and unsafe, what I object to, are the types of lighting. Parts of town look like a railyard, and nothing looks warm and inviting under mercury vapor street lighting. You could twice as much light of the proper type on the boardwalk and it would feel more inviting. Whith the super tall streetlamps that are there now, you have pools of very ugly dazzling light, then pools of shadow all down the boardwalk. Lower, more attactive poles, with a yellow tinged light would make the place safer and more attractive. Like I said before, the two, bright blue/white, humming floodlights on the north side of the Casino are a very good, bad example. The rest of the OG boardwalk is well lit, with simple low lights, but it is a comforting attracive lighting, that also gives the feeling of safety. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
You are right, and Ocean Groves boardwalk lighting is absolutely perfect, and could be used as a model as to what would be nice on our boardwalk and in the surrounding areas. Same goes for the lighting on the promenade leading to the Auditorium. Just right, not over bright, and not flooding the surrounding homes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone wants the city to be dark and unsafe, what I object to, are the types of lighting. Parts of town look like a railyard, and nothing looks warm and inviting under mercury vapor street lighting. You could twice as much light of the proper type on the boardwalk and it would feel more inviting. Whith the super tall streetlamps that are there now, you have pools of very ugly dazzling light, then pools of shadow all down the boardwalk. Lower, more attactive poles, with a yellow tinged light would make the place safer and more attractive. Like I said before, the two, bright blue/white, humming floodlights on the north side of the Casino are a very good, bad example. The rest of the OG boardwalk is well lit, with simple low lights, but it is a comforting attracive lighting, that also gives the feeling of safety. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
Exactly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone wants the city to be dark and unsafe, what I object to, are the types of lighting. Parts of town look like a railyard, and nothing looks warm and inviting under mercury vapor street lighting. You could twice as much light of the proper type on the boardwalk and it would feel more inviting. Whith the super tall streetlamps that are there now, you have pools of very ugly dazzling light, then pools of shadow all down the boardwalk. Lower, more attactive poles, with a yellow tinged light would make the place safer and more attractive. Like I said before, the two, bright blue/white, humming floodlights on the north side of the Casino are a very good, bad example. The rest of the OG boardwalk is well lit, with simple low lights, but it is a comforting attracive lighting, that also gives the feeling of safety. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Things were done a certain way in 1900 Therefore - it should be done that way now. 'Brilliant' Logic. I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt. Then run outside to the outhouse and ... Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin where that may actually be the norm. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Logic ????
The north end of the Long Branch hsa nice lighting as well as do alot of the other boardwalks now. OG is good Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The ad with the lighting from 1903...
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[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
The part about no drowning incidents is kinda funny. What golf course do you think it's mentioning? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE. what version. Im on firefox now on a mac with a windows IE next to me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE. what version. Im on firefox now on a mac with a windows IE next to me. 3.04 on a pc. IE worked good but I don't use it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm Absolutely Free From Mosquitoes I knew Bradley was a control freak, but damn I guess he was a bit of a liar too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The ad with the lighting from 1903...
I like the note at the bottom: Bureau of Information, with Personal Representative in charge, on Broadway NYC. In a message dated 11/25/2008 3:55:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
I must say though, AP is surprisingly mosquito free. I don't think I've ever encountered one since moving here. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm Absolutely Free From Mosquitoes I knew Bradley was a control freak, but damn I guess he was a bit of a liar too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 ASBURY PARK Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree lighting at 6 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk. Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 movie White Christmas'' with Bing Crosby will be shown in the Paramount Theatre, followed by a performance of Tim McLoone and the Shirleys outside the arcade from 5 to 6 p.m. Madison Marquette's marketing director, Courtney Johnson, said the boardwalk's holiday bazaar officially starts Friday, Nov. 28, with all stores open from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday through Monday and live performances throughout the month. This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands will be sold in the Carousel and the arcade will feature a concierge greeting booth and a 100 Fabulous Gifts'' shop featuring gifts from all the shops on the boardwalk. For more information, call (732) 897-8810. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say though, AP is surprisingly mosquito free. I don't think I've ever encountered one since moving here. Ok, I've told this one before From about 1977 on, there was no reason for even the mosquitos to come here for. Why, if you were a mosquito would you bother, when you can go north to Deal or South to the bikini's in Belmar and find a nice...to take a bite of? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm try again dan. I jsut upgraded to Firefox 3.4 on a PC that old running and it worked. I'll email you. At this age I can't troubleshoot any more. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
On Friday night at 6 in the Grand Arcade between Paramount and CH there will be a performance by the NJ Rock n Roll Chorus. Try to find the nice young lady from Howell singing 1st Soprano. I imagine they will be singing Christmas songs, but they just recorded an a copella verson of Born to Run. Considering the venue, I'm guessing they will sneak it in. I hope you enjoy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 ASBURY PARK Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree lighting at 6 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk. Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 movie White Christmas'' with Bing Crosby will be shown in the Paramount Theatre, followed by a performance of Tim McLoone and the Shirleys outside the arcade from 5 to 6 p.m. Madison Marquette's marketing director, Courtney Johnson, said the boardwalk's holiday bazaar officially starts Friday, Nov. 28, with all stores open from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday through Monday and live performances throughout the month. This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands will be sold in the Carousel and the arcade will feature a concierge greeting booth and a 100 Fabulous Gifts'' shop featuring gifts from all the shops on the boardwalk. For more information, call (732) 897-8810. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. There has historically been opposition to the custom of the Christmas tree because of its alleged pagan origins. Thus, Oliver Cromwell preached against the heathen traditions of Christmas carols and decorated trees. As pastor Henry Schwan of Cleveland OH in 1851 decorating what was likely the first Christmas tree in an American church. His parishioners condemned the idea as a Pagan practice. There are various legends regarding the origin of the Christmas tree, often relating to Saint Boniface. Thus, in one version, Boniface disrupted a pagan child sacrifice at an oak tree, flattening the oak with a blow of his fist. A small fir sprang up in place of the oak, which Boniface told the pagans represented Christ.[1] In some accounts, Martin Luther is credited with adding lights and decoration to fir branches traditionally hung from ceilings.[2] Condemnation of the Christmas tree as pagan has been based on a passage in Jeremiah, Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. (Jeremiah 10:2-4, KJV). Christmas traditions in general have often been associated with paganism in 19th century scholarship. Robert Chambers in his 1832 Book of Days notes that the festivities of Christmas originally derived from the Roman Saturnalia , had afterwards been intermingled with the ceremonies observed by the British Druids at the period of winter-solstice, and at a subsequent period became incorporated with the grim mythology of the ancient Saxons. Two popular observances belonging to Christmas are more especially derived from the worship of our pagan ancestorsthe hanging up of the mistletoe and the burning of the Yule log. Regarding the Christmas tree itself, Chambers notes that it seems to be a very ancient custom in Germany, and is probably a remnant of the splendid and fanciful pageants of the middle ages. Other traditions relating to Christmas that may derive from Germanic pagan practices include the Christmas ham, Yule Goat, stuffing stockings, elements of Santa Claus and his nocturnal ride through the sky, and elements of Alpine folklore.[3] There are also some accounts that place the earliest Christmas trees in the Baltic (variously Estonia or Lativa), while in actuality the custom was introduced there in the 1920s. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
Yes - Christmas Trees. You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture take part fully in the American tradition of Christmas, without the religious part of the celebration. They wouldn't dream of casting an insult by changing the name of Christmas. Better to be inclusive and be part of the American holiday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
Interesting historical perspective about other parts of the world. In my country, a christmas tree has been accepted as a part of the American celebration. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. There has historically been opposition to the custom of the Christmas tree because of its alleged pagan origins. Thus, Oliver Cromwell preached against the heathen traditions of Christmas carols and decorated trees. As pastor Henry Schwan of Cleveland OH in 1851 decorating what was likely the first Christmas tree in an American church. His parishioners condemned the idea as a Pagan practice. There are various legends regarding the origin of the Christmas tree, often relating to Saint Boniface. Thus, in one version, Boniface disrupted a pagan child sacrifice at an oak tree, flattening the oak with a blow of his fist. A small fir sprang up in place of the oak, which Boniface told the pagans represented Christ.[1] In some accounts, Martin Luther is credited with adding lights and decoration to fir branches traditionally hung from ceilings.[2] Condemnation of the Christmas tree as pagan has been based on a passage in Jeremiah, Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. (Jeremiah 10:2-4, KJV). Christmas traditions in general have often been associated with paganism in 19th century scholarship. Robert Chambers in his 1832 Book of Days notes that the festivities of Christmas originally derived from the Roman Saturnalia , had afterwards been intermingled with the ceremonies observed by the British Druids at the period of winter-solstice, and at a subsequent period became incorporated with the grim mythology of the ancient Saxons. Two popular observances belonging to Christmas are more especially derived from the worship of our pagan ancestorsthe hanging up of the mistletoe and the burning of the Yule log. Regarding the Christmas tree itself, Chambers notes that it seems to be a very ancient custom in Germany, and is probably a remnant of the splendid and fanciful pageants of the middle ages. Other traditions relating to Christmas that may derive from Germanic pagan practices include the Christmas ham, Yule Goat, stuffing stockings, elements of Santa Claus and his nocturnal ride through the sky, and elements of Alpine folklore.[3] There are also some accounts that place the earliest Christmas trees in the Baltic (variously Estonia or Lativa), while in actuality the custom was introduced there in the 1920s. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A.K.A. Thanksgiving in Asbury Park
A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving a.k.a. “Thanksgiving in Asbury Park” ;-) Tonight at 8:00 on ABC == Charlie Brown: We've got ANOTHER holiday to worry about. It seems Thanksgiving Day is upon us. Sally Brown: I haven't even finished eating all of my Halloween candy. Linus: Blah. [after singing Over the River and Through the Woods to Grandmother's House We Go.] Charlie Brown: Well, there's only one thing wrong with that. My grandmother lives in a condominium. Sally Brown: I went down to buy a turkey tree and all they have are things for Christmas. Anyway, why should I give thanks on Thanksgiving? What have I got to be thankful for? All it does is make more work for us at school. Peppermint Patty: What kind of Thanksgiving dinner is this? Where's the turkey, Chuck? Don't you know anything about Thanksgiving dinners? Where's the mashed potatoes? Where's the cranberry sauce? Where's the pumpkin pie? Marcie: Those early Pilgrims were thankful for what had happened to them, and we should be thankful, too. We should just be thankful for being together. Sally Brown: Do you know what they want us to do? They want us to write an essay on Stanley Miles. Charlie Brown: Don't you mean Miles Standish? Sally Brown: I can't be expected to remember all those names. Lucy: [holding football] Oh, Charlie Brown! Charlie Brown! Charlie Brown: She must think I'm the stupidest person alive. Lucy: I'll hold the ball and you run up and kick it. Charlie Brown: Hold it? Ha! You'll just pull it away and I'll fall flat on my back and kill myself. Lucy: I wouldn't do that. It's Thanksgiving. One of our most cherished traditions is the Thanksgiving football game. Charlie Brown: Gee, I guess if it is a tradition, it would be an honor. She wouldn't pull it away if it is a tradition. This time I'm gonna kick that ball clear to the moon! [he runs to kick the ball, but Lucy pulls it away] Charlie Brown: Aaauuugh! [falls flat on his back] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068359/quotes **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
--- Christmas is good for the Jews who are in the retail and manufacturing business so yes it's a jewish holiday Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A.K.A. Thanksgiving in Asbury Park
I hope i'm home in time to watch it for the 48th time! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving a.k.a. âThanksgiving in Asbury Parkâ ;-) Tonight at 8:00 on ABC == Charlie Brown: We've got ANOTHER holiday to worry about. It seems Thanksgiving Day is upon us. Sally Brown: I haven't even finished eating all of my Halloween candy. Linus: Blah. [after singing Over the River and Through the Woods to Grandmother's House We Go.] Charlie Brown: Well, there's only one thing wrong with that. My grandmother lives in a condominium. Sally Brown: I went down to buy a turkey tree and all they have are things for Christmas. Anyway, why should I give thanks on Thanksgiving? What have I got to be thankful for? All it does is make more work for us at school. Peppermint Patty: What kind of Thanksgiving dinner is this? Where's the turkey, Chuck? Don't you know anything about Thanksgiving dinners? Where's the mashed potatoes? Where's the cranberry sauce? Where's the pumpkin pie? Marcie: Those early Pilgrims were thankful for what had happened to them, and we should be thankful, too. We should just be thankful for being together. Sally Brown: Do you know what they want us to do? They want us to write an essay on Stanley Miles. Charlie Brown: Don't you mean Miles Standish? Sally Brown: I can't be expected to remember all those names. Lucy: [holding football] Oh, Charlie Brown! Charlie Brown! Charlie Brown: She must think I'm the stupidest person alive. Lucy: I'll hold the ball and you run up and kick it. Charlie Brown: Hold it? Ha! You'll just pull it away and I'll fall flat on my back and kill myself. Lucy: I wouldn't do that. It's Thanksgiving. One of our most cherished traditions is the Thanksgiving football game. Charlie Brown: Gee, I guess if it is a tradition, it would be an honor. She wouldn't pull it away if it is a tradition. This time I'm gonna kick that ball clear to the moon! [he runs to kick the ball, but Lucy pulls it away] Charlie Brown: Aaauuugh! [falls flat on his back] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068359/quotes **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol? redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A.K.A. Thanksgiving in Asbury Park
Oh, I read too quickly...Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. I don't think I've ever seen that one. I may have to check it out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope i'm home in time to watch it for the 48th time! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving a.k.a. âThanksgiving in Asbury Parkâ ;-) Tonight at 8:00 on ABC == Charlie Brown: We've got ANOTHER holiday to worry about. It seems Thanksgiving Day is upon us. Sally Brown: I haven't even finished eating all of my Halloween candy. Linus: Blah. [after singing Over the River and Through the Woods to Grandmother's House We Go.] Charlie Brown: Well, there's only one thing wrong with that. My grandmother lives in a condominium. Sally Brown: I went down to buy a turkey tree and all they have are things for Christmas. Anyway, why should I give thanks on Thanksgiving? What have I got to be thankful for? All it does is make more work for us at school. Peppermint Patty: What kind of Thanksgiving dinner is this? Where's the turkey, Chuck? Don't you know anything about Thanksgiving dinners? Where's the mashed potatoes? Where's the cranberry sauce? Where's the pumpkin pie? Marcie: Those early Pilgrims were thankful for what had happened to them, and we should be thankful, too. We should just be thankful for being together. Sally Brown: Do you know what they want us to do? They want us to write an essay on Stanley Miles. Charlie Brown: Don't you mean Miles Standish? Sally Brown: I can't be expected to remember all those names. Lucy: [holding football] Oh, Charlie Brown! Charlie Brown! Charlie Brown: She must think I'm the stupidest person alive. Lucy: I'll hold the ball and you run up and kick it. Charlie Brown: Hold it? Ha! You'll just pull it away and I'll fall flat on my back and kill myself. Lucy: I wouldn't do that. It's Thanksgiving. One of our most cherished traditions is the Thanksgiving football game. Charlie Brown: Gee, I guess if it is a tradition, it would be an honor. She wouldn't pull it away if it is a tradition. This time I'm gonna kick that ball clear to the moon! [he runs to kick the ball, but Lucy pulls it away] Charlie Brown: Aaauuugh! [falls flat on his back] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068359/quotes **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol? redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants to call them? On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote: But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
They do all the time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah_bush On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:05 PM, justifiedright wrote: Yes - Christmas Trees. You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture take part fully in the American tradition of Christmas, without the religious part of the celebration. They wouldn't dream of casting an insult by changing the name of Christmas. Better to be inclusive and be part of the American holiday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
I assume your question is to Jack since the seller is calling them Christmas trees and Jack wonders why he doesn't change it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants to call them? On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote: But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees. Truth in advertising. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call them Holiday trees, wreaths, and garlands If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that people who are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are surrounded by decorations. Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands and and and move over tommy. What would a johnson know about hanukkah... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
Hmmm I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first question would be: Should we really be out there singing: On the First Day of Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou- Sel? Shouldn't this be a CITY activity, not a DEVELOPER activity? Happy Festival of Lights, Tommy! Yep, I get it. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008 ASBURY PARK Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree lighting at 6 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk. Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 movie White Christmas'' with Bing Crosby will be shown in the Paramount Theatre, followed by a performance of Tim McLoone and the Shirleys outside the arcade from 5 to 6 p.m. Madison Marquette's marketing director, Courtney Johnson, said the boardwalk's holiday bazaar officially starts Friday, Nov. 28, with all stores open from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday through Monday and live performances throughout the month. This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands will be sold in the Carousel and the arcade will feature a concierge greeting booth and a 100 Fabulous Gifts'' shop featuring gifts from all the shops on the boardwalk. For more information, call (732) 897-8810. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first question would be: Should we really be out there singing: On the First Day of Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou- Sel? it's on the owner's property, not public. It's the season and real smart they can turn the arcade into a shopping/entertainment center - in December. And it should be good for downtown, who has to learn and take advantage of the boardwalk draw and feed off of it. That's FREE marketing for the downtown and the rest of the city. Learn to capitalize on it. A guy once had a pizzeria. He first complained that McDonalds moved across the street (must of meant he was in a good spot, right). He thought it would hurt his business. In the long run, his business increased and he gained additional parking from the lot and additional traffic get it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
Yep, Oak, I get it... I lost site of the ownership. Man, I was just trying to stand on Tommy's side for once! Thank you for putting the ownership into perspective. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ wrote: Hmmm I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first question would be: Should we really be out there singing: On the First Day of Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car- Rou- Sel? it's on the owner's property, not public. It's the season and real smart they can turn the arcade into a shopping/entertainment center - in December. And it should be good for downtown, who has to learn and take advantage of the boardwalk draw and feed off of it. That's FREE marketing for the downtown and the rest of the city. Learn to capitalize on it. A guy once had a pizzeria. He first complained that McDonalds moved across the street (must of meant he was in a good spot, right). He thought it would hurt his business. In the long run, his business increased and he gained additional parking from the lot and additional traffic get it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The ad with the lighting from 1903...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/ads/intro.htm The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE. Works fine for me! Using Mozilla 5.0. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
