[AsburyPark] Re: What the hell happened to this message board?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: You're right it can get out of hand. I can't give my name so I shall go. Good Luck with Rolemover and The new bikeboy(Rook582). The hate will coninue but we shall overcome that. Later Gang, You'll alway have TheE Nevin Seven. Note especially the following from Tom's last post: Invite anonymity to the mix and hostility finds release in the vacuum created when shame went missing. I agree. If you are not willing to put your name to it, you probably should not say it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Did AP call his previous employer?
Former teacher pleads guilty in sex tape case Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/07 STAFF REPORT TOMS RIVER A former teacher in the Asbury Park, Toms River Regional and North Brunswick school districts admitted in court today that he secretly videotaped sex with his onetime fiancee and later threatened to expose the tape to a new boyfriend. Daniel S. McHarris, 40, of Corbin Court, Lakewood pleaded guilty before Superior Court Judge Wendel E. Daniels to criminal coercion, carrying a maximum prison term of a year and a half. Supervising Asssistant Ocean County Prosecutor Michel A. Paulhus said that under a plea bargain, the prosecutor's office would seek to dismiss three additional charges of invasion of privacy and would recommend that McHarris receive a sentence of no more than 90 days in jail. McHarris worked at Asbury Park Middle School as a health and physical education teacher from September 2004 until August 2005, according to school officials. He was a track, basketball and football coach and a substitute teacher in the Toms River Regional School District from 1987 to 1993. McHarris stood trial in Middlesex County in 2001 and was acquitted of charges he fondled students at North Brunswick Tonwship High School, where he was a coach and teacher from 1997 until September 1999. McHarris is scheduled to be sentenced in the videotaping case on May 4. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: CHALANGE TO ALL
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover rolemover@ wrote: Hand in the cage Dan Hey Dan, Your awful quiet on this one, whats up? cat got yer wallet? No. But I have a life sometimes which includes family and clients. Sorry to dissapoint you, neither you, nor your identity are the center of my universe. Do I have the proof that you are Jimmy Bruno. Maybe I do and maybe I don't. If I did I certainly would not reveal it. I sort of like some mystery surrounding you. My per diem is $4,500 and my hourly $500 and I am booked up. You can call the bank back and tell them you no longer need the equity loan, I am not betting you even if I had a video of you posting. It and you are not that important little man. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Maybe i'm wrong about Wesley Grove
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless they lied to you. So, I just got off the phone with somebody at Wesley Grove. I was told that Townhomes will be ready for occupacy in about 2 weeks, and the Condo's will be ready this summer beginning in June. Looks like I was wrong. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: My new neighbors?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: From the very beginning Asbury Partners said they were looking for a partner for the BW. Now that they have found one(MM) and the Partners don't find a way to cnase them I think we'll be surprized of what real money can do. Did I say sucess? I do not believe I did. I would not make that judgement until it was done. You on the other hand said the Master developer was a failure. Please explain. You always seem to have the inside knowledge so fill us in. The only inside knowledge I have are eyes and a brain. I can see and I can think. 5-6 years of nothing on the waterfront. The master developer is a failure. The City realizes that but does not come out and say that. It is no secret. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Howell Official Full of It
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to be on the same side of an issue with you bro! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: AP stopped taking money 2 years ago. Shifting their obligations on places like AP Planner wants to stop change The mayor and Township Council in Howell should oppose legislation that would bar municipalities from selling off their affordable housing requirements to other towns. The bill aims to eliminate regional contributions agreements, or RCAs. They allow a municipality to transfer to another town up to 50 percent of the affordable housing the state Council on Affordable Housing requires. The sending municipality pays the receiving municipality, which will build or rehabilitate the low- and moderate-income housing. RCAs are a helpful tool for meeting our obligations and are part of Howell's affordable housing plan. We have enough to plan for the amount mandated by COAH. Removing RCAs would create an unnecessary hardship. Paul Schneider CHAIRMAN HOWELL PLANNING BOARD Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Did AP call his previous employer?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wait_foru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true they probally gave them a letter of support. NB probably just swept under the rug... Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former teacher pleads guilty in sex tape case Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/07 STAFF REPORT TOMS RIVER A former teacher in the Asbury Park, Toms River Regional and North Brunswick school districts admitted in court today that he secretly videotaped sex with his onetime fiancee and later threatened to expose the tape to a new boyfriend. Daniel S. McHarris, 40, of Corbin Court, Lakewood pleaded guilty before Superior Court Judge Wendel E. Daniels to criminal coercion, carrying a maximum prison term of a year and a half. Supervising Asssistant Ocean County Prosecutor Michel A. Paulhus said that under a plea bargain, the prosecutor's office would seek to dismiss three additional charges of invasion of privacy and would recommend that McHarris receive a sentence of no more than 90 days in jail. McHarris worked at Asbury Park Middle School as a health and physical education teacher from September 2004 until August 2005, according to school officials. He was a track, basketball and football coach and a substitute teacher in the Toms River Regional School District from 1987 to 1993. McHarris stood trial in Middlesex County in 2001 and was acquitted of charges he fondled students at North Brunswick Tonwship High School, where he was a coach and teacher from 1997 until September 1999. McHarris is scheduled to be sentenced in the videotaping case on May 4. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Howell Official Full of It
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AP spent their money on repairing homes of people who couldn't do it themselves. AP stopped taking money 2 years ago. That's because: 1) Long Branch got it and actaully has something to show for it. 2) see 1. Oh where oh where have those funds gone and how was it spent? Add those funds to the billion on education. The selling off obligations is bs - many towns stalled and never completed their plans as required. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Howell Official Full of It
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AP spent that money well they just didn't want to be part of that anymore. It's just a way of KEEPING lower income down. AP stopped taking money 2 years ago. That's because: 1) Long Branch got it and actaully has something to show for it. 2) see 1. Oh where oh where have those funds gone and how was it spent? Add those funds to the billion on education. The selling off obligations is bs - many towns stalled and never completed their plans as required. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Howell Official Full of It
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: The RCA program and the Abbott funding is just the 1, 2 punch of segragation. How hard could it be to Appeal the MT Laurel secision and to regioalize the schools. Some white towns won't like that ? Would they? AP spent that money well they just didn't want to be part of that anymore. It's just a way of KEEPING lower income down. AP stopped taking money 2 years ago. That's because: 1) Long Branch got it and actaully has something to show for it. 2) see 1. Oh where oh where have those funds gone and how was it spent? Add those funds to the billion on education. The selling off obligations is bs - many towns stalled and never completed their plans as required. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment vs Train Line, or Never the train shall meet ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answer this question. Why didn't you go before the ENTIRE COUNCIL when they had the hearing on extending the time of riding on the BW? That was the time to tell the world of the Reidy and Kinmon promise and whatever else you had on your mind. Exactly. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that came in my shop that I didn't exhibit some form of goodwill to. Not to mention thousands of dollars worth of donations to charities within city limits. To all of those who see this a a black and white issue of ordinance vs. common sense, and word of officials vs. what I had in writing; Did I have to do that? No, but it's called ethics, it's called cooperation, it's called mutual respect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: So surries would be allowed in a special lane but not bikes? What you suggest is that the boardwalk cater to the business. Isn't that the idea? Should we screw them? Cater buisnesses that cater to the public, so forth and so on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment vs Train Line, or Never the train shall meet ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the same time you can teach the people not to jwalk and litter too. Lot's of Luck. In theory you are correct, a 5 MPH limit. But, unfortunately, people don't play by the rules. Most will speed recklessly and cause much anxiety for those walking on the boardwalk. I tend to disagree with this. I think there are many responsible cyclists, but on the other hand, I don't think that kids are learning how to be good cyclists anymore, and I don't think that our country in general takes bicycling seriously the way it is in Europe. Every day, I see kids riding against the traffic, which is horrible. When a kid rides against traffic, he or she isn't realizing that when people pull out from driveways or side streets, they often don't look to the right, rather they look to the left to see if there is anybody heading in their direction in the road. I also think that if AP did have a dedicated bike lane, and made an attempt to educate the users on the rules, you'd actually teach people something good as well as give them a good safe place to ride. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment vs Train Line, or Never the train shall meet ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is people were taught not to litter or jwalk and they still do it. The sane will go for bike safety. It all starts at home and it seems like the home just don't care. It will have to take a tragic death for people to wake up to bike safety. The way these kids ride on Main St. it could happen. So what's your point? When you see somebody littering, what do you do? Ignore it like most people. I don't. It amazes me how many people in AP just throw their trash on the ground. People of all ages, from all walks of life. Why does it happen so much here, but not in the surrounding towns? I also used to volunteer my time to teach kids bike safety. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: At the same time you can teach the people not to jwalk and litter too. Lot's of Luck. In theory you are correct, a 5 MPH limit. But, unfortunately, people don't play by the rules. Most will speed recklessly and cause much anxiety for those walking on the boardwalk. I tend to disagree with this. I think there are many responsible cyclists, but on the other hand, I don't think that kids are learning how to be good cyclists anymore, and I don't think that our country in general takes bicycling seriously the way it is in Europe. Every day, I see kids riding against the traffic, which is horrible. When a kid rides against traffic, he or she isn't realizing that when people pull out from driveways or side streets, they often don't look to the right, rather they look to the left to see if there is anybody heading in their direction in the road. I also think that if AP did have a dedicated bike lane, and made an attempt to educate the users on the rules, you'd actually teach people something good as well as give them a good safe place to ride. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment vs Train Line, or Never the train shall meet ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know he was riding a bike on Main St. thanks for the info. We alredy had a trgic death of James Morrison at the deep; Is the city going to actually start communicating with merchants now? Is it going to take a tragic death of an expendable boardwalk merchant to have the city EFFECTIVELY patrol it's boardwalk? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: The point is people were taught not to litter or jwalk and they still do it. The sane will go for bike safety. It all starts at home and it seems like the home just don't care. It will have to take a tragic death for people to wake up to bike safety. The way these kids ride on Main St. it could happen. So what's your point? When you see somebody littering, what do you do? Ignore it like most people. I don't. It amazes me how many people in AP just throw their trash on the ground. People of all ages, from all walks of life. Why does it happen so much here, but not in the surrounding towns? I also used to volunteer my time to teach kids bike safety. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: At the same time you can teach the people not to jwalk and litter too. Lot's of Luck. In theory you are correct, a 5 MPH limit. But, unfortunately, people don't play by the rules. Most will speed recklessly and cause much anxiety for those walking on the boardwalk. I tend to disagree with this. I think there are many responsible cyclists, but on the other hand, I don't think that kids are learning how to be good cyclists anymore, and I don't think that our country in general takes bicycling seriously the way it is in Europe. Every day, I see kids riding against the traffic, which is horrible. When a kid rides against traffic, he or she isn't realizing that when people pull out from driveways or side streets, they often don't look to the right, rather they look to the left to see if there is anybody heading in their direction in the road. I also think that if AP did have a dedicated bike lane, and made an attempt to educate the users on the rules, you'd actually teach people something good as well as give them a good safe place to ride. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Judge Apostolou
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget Workmens Comp If they appoint me Judge, I will have to give up my column in the triCityNews. All in favor say I. ;-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: Our municipal judge, Mark Apostolou, is due to be reappointed by the city council within a few weeks. I have never been too impressed by this judge's performance and I personally believe that Asbury Park can do better. Judge Apostolou works for seven other cities in the region and rakes in big money. Asbury faces a lot of challenges and I think we need a Judge that can dedicate himself to our city. (see article below) The Asbury Park Police are busting their humps to make Asbury Park a safer place to live. We need a judge that shares their commitment to this city. There is a city council meeting this Wednesday at 7:00 p.m. I think it would be a good idea if more people would speak to the council members about this issue. Asbury Park can do better and must. If you cannot attend this meeting, I urge you to write or email the city council members and let them know what you think. I would hate to see this judge reappointed before the council can consider alternatives. If anyone has the email address of the different council members, I would appreciate it if someone would post them so that more people can make themselves heard. (By the way this has nothing to do with Stand Up For Asbury!!!) Paul Vail 511 Second Part-time jobs add up to big payouts Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 10/11/06 BY NICHOLAS CLUNN GANNETT NEW JERSEY (Excerpt) Asbury Park City Manager Terrance Reidy said he was surprised when he found out that the city's municipal court judge, Mark Apostolou, works in seven other towns and makes a total of $264,000 in government salaries. Apostolou also works as the municipal judge in Bradley Beach, Brielle, Deal, Eatontown, Lake Como, Manasquan and Neptune City. The number of Apostolou's jobs, however, didn't change Reidy's high opinion of the judge's performance in Asbury Park. If the system allows that to happen, and he puts in the time, then God bless him, he said. It's not like he forgets, Where am I today? In Asbury Park or in Bradley Beach?' The Gannett review also found that many of the biggest tackers are political players who obtained their appointments as a result of close ties with top elected officials. Sunday, May 8, 2005 By NICHOLAS CLUNN Gannett New Jersey Damien G. Murray's salaries from eight municipal judgeships will total $268,284 this year - a paycheck that will easily exceed those of the chief justice of the United States, U.S. senators and New Jersey's governor. Murray's collective salary - earned by ruling on drunken-driving charges, parking ticket appeals and other matters in Beachwood, Dover Township, Lacey, Lakehurst, Little Egg Harbor Township, Ocean Gate, Seaside Heights and Stafford Township - likely will provide the 55- year-old Dover Township resident with a comfortable pension. If Murray, a municipal court judge since 1981, retires when he turns 60, and if his collective salary this year ends up his highest, he will earn an annual pension somewhere around $141,000, among the most lucrative of those enrolled in the state's Public Employee Retirement System. Murray's judgeships show how tacking can result in huge pensions. Tacking happens when multiple public-salaried jobs are added together to form one huge salary. Murray - a 55-year-old private-practice lawyer from Dover Township and a former Ocean County freeholder - is not alone in this practice. A number of private-practice lawyers in Monmouth and Ocean counties will obtain big pensions through municipal judgeships. Mark Apostolou, who holds court in eight Monmouth County municipalities, would get an annual pension of $130,000 if his salary this year of $264,000 is his highest and if he retires when he turns 60. Apostolou, a municipal court judge since 1987, works in Asbury Park, Bradley Beach, Brielle, Deal, Eatontown, Lake Como, Manasquan and Neptune City. Meanwhile, acting Gov. Richard J. Codey is paid $175,000; although he is also state Senate president, he does not accept the salary for that post. New Jersey Chief Supreme Court Justice Deborah Poritz is paid $164,250, and U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist gets $203,000. U.S senators, meanwhile, are paid $162,100. Like New Jersey's pension system, public retirement benefits on the federal level depend on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary. Apostolou, 50, of Manasquan, said
[AsburyPark] Re: Judge Tommy
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't touch that, it's too easy. Sounds more like an afternoon 30 minutes on channel 23. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] More of this is needed
Asbury Park man sentenced on federal drug charges Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/5/07 Post Comment TRENTON U.S. District Judge Garrett E. Brown, Jr., today sentenced Dyshaun Moss, 26, of Asbury Park, to 14 years in prison, and ordered him to pay a $2,500 fine for his guilty plea to one count of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute at least 100 grams of heroin. At his Sept. 14, 2005 plea hearing, Moss, a.k.a. ''Sharkey, admitted that during the time period of the conspiracy, he distributed a total of between three and 10 kilos of heroin. Moss is the last remaining defendant charged as a result of a long- term task force investigation into drug distribution networks operating in the Asbury Park area, according to U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie. In total, 41 defendants were federally charged through the joint task force investigation, which began in the spring of 2004 when the Drug Enforcement Administration Mobile Enforcement Team (MET) was detailed to focus its efforts on narcotics trafficking in and around Asbury Park. As of today, all federal defendants have pleaded guilty and been sentenced, including the leaders of various heroin and cocaine organizations, which were sentenced to prison terms ranging from 11 to 15 years. In addition to the federally charged defendants, the 2 1/2-year investigation by the DEA, Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office and Asbury Park Police lead to the arrest of an additional 61 defendants on state charges filed by Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office. The majority of the state defendants have also pleaded guilty and many received state prison sentences, including several mid- to high-level cocaine and heroin dealers who received prison terms ranging from five to 14 years. -- by Staff Report Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Heart of Gold?
Fair Haven councilman drops out of 12th District Assembly race Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/5/07 BY LARRY HIGGS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Post Comment FAIR HAVEN Borough Councilman Thomas Gilmour has dropped out of the 12th District Assembly race. Gilmour made the announcement in a letter to Adam Puharic, Monmouth County Republican Committee chairman today. In it, Gilmour said he can't balance the time needed to campaign and his job as director of commerce for the city of Asbury Park. This will be a very difficult campaign for me to be committed to,'' Gilmour said. I'd have to resign my position in Asbury Park, and my heart is in Asbury Park and my anger is in Trenton.'' Gilmour said he was not asked to give up his candidacy by city officials and said he will continue to serve as Fair Haven council president. Gilmour was one of three GOP hopefuls who filed letters of intent with the county party last month, along with Little Silver Borough Council President Declan O'Scanlon and Manalapan municipal attorney Caroline Casagrande for Assembly and Assemblywoman Jennifer Beck. So far, they face Assemblyman Michael Panter, an Assembly running mate to be named and state Sen. Ellen Karcher on the Democratic line. After determining the amount of time he'd need to run a successful campaign, Gilmour said he decided to withdraw rather than drag the rest of the ticket down. Jennifer Beck is one of the best campaigners in the world, I'd hate to be worst link,'' he said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Well, at least it's better than Partners' offices
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were going to lose a $14,000 investment I would of have pleaded with the council when they had the public hearing on extending the time to nooon. Shame on him for riding into the sunset. I think he jumped the gun. There use to be a bike rental shop on Ocean Ave(in the 70's) and it did quite well.They rode Ocean Ave not the BW. They rented out Biles and Mopeds. the law is and always has been no bikes on the boardwalk did ya check the signs at both ends of the boardwalk before you opened your business? don't blame anyone else but yourself for your failure to succeed in asbury park --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Not failure; even if not on the mark, same difference. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover rolemover@ wrote: now your a detective huh...another thing that you fail at sherlock --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover rolemover@ wrote: they must be riding up and down asbury ave just for kicks... Oh I see. You mean that contradicts what YOU attribute to me that nothing is ever getting done? Tsk, tsk. Poor Jimmy. Think of something better. I have acknowledged the reality of the infrastructure and the residential projects. I've been consistent. The waterfront has not been done. What was supposed to be done has not. Why did you get rid of asbury pedaler? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Op Ed Column - The Daily Record.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Check Mate 2. The Mercy Center 3. Interfaith Neigbors 4. Trinity Church 5. Let's not forget Rev. Nunn he says he feeds over 100 homeless a day. Plusc he stopped the violence too. Pluc the city will get housing for those who WANT it. Just to name a few. I find this article contemptuous! One, YOU do NOT speak, for over 17,000 AP residents and you certainly DON'T speak, for me! I found the remarks about how many agencies, serving this community incorrect. You don't cite or name any agency, that serves the poor. Your figures, on how many of any group, ex-convicts, alcoholics, etc., are over-inflated, to make your argument, credible. You are using ficticious numbers in all instances to make your argument, when the reality, is quite different! Please list me 2 agencies that house and help the poor; just 2 and I will lower my tone! I haven't heard one word, in favor of the Mission, because you are so bent on having it YOUR way and discrediting the head of the Mission and using city resources, to make their presence here, untenable. That'a all I have to say of the unchristianlike attitude, of a small group, that want parity when it comes to their life issues and inequality, for all others! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: (Not exactly as I wrote it but this op ed piece appeared in Morristown's local paper, home of the market street mission.) Asbury Park does not want this shelter Community is struggling to get back on feet as is BY PAUL VAIL Friday, March 2, 2007 The Market Street Mission of Morristown is trying to open a branch in Asbury Park. From where I sit, this would be a homeless shelter, drug and alcohol treatment center, soup kitchen and used-car facility in the heart of Asbury Park, a seaside community struggling to come back after almost 40 years of serious decline. Our city already hosts numerous tax-exempt charitable institutions that serve our disenfranchised residents and people from the surrounding area. Our city does more than its fair share in this regard. We cannot afford to allow the mission to operate a facility that will bring almost 900 additional homeless and/or addicted men from all over New Jersey to Asbury Park every year. Our city zoning board initially rejected the mission's variance application to set up operations here. The mission appealed on a technicality and won. Stand Up For Asbury, a group of concerned citizens, appealed this reversal. Rather than face Stand Up For Asbury in state superior court, the mission signed a consent order allowing the matter to return to our zoning board. During the first hearing conducted last month, the city of Asbury Park learned that the Market Street Mission is not licensed by the state of New Jersey to treat drug and alcohol addiction, nor is it licensed to sell automobiles. The mission never brought this to the attention of our zoning board when it first petitioned for variances. Zoning board hearings on this matter will continue next month. Disregarding the advice of the superior court judge in Freehold, the mission scrambled to open its doors in Asbury Park a few weeks before our zoning board could begin its hearing on the matter. Our fire department had to shut the mission down last week after an inspection revealed that the shelter had no fire-preventing sprinkler system in its dormitory. It is apparent that the Market Street Mission holds the people of Asbury Park, its zoning board, state Superior Court and minimum state safety codes in contempt. Stand Up For Asbury cannot allow the mission to steamroll its way into our city. The people of Asbury Park have fought hard to bring this city back from the abyss and we still have a long way to go. Our city cannot afford to take on the additional burden of the thousands of ex-cons, pedophiles, alcoholics and drug addicts from all over New Jersey that the mission intends to bring to our home year after year. Editor's Note: The Market Street Mission declined an opportunity to write a column summarizing its position on this issue. -- -- -- -- Paul Vail is a resident of Asbury Park. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go
[AsburyPark] Re: Op Ed Column - The Daily Record.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they go to city hall they will be place in the shelter at Ft Monmouth if they don't qualifly the city puts them in a motel. A lot of the homeless don't want help. Also Rev. Nunn is telling the homeless not to use city services. The city place a few of the homeless in rooming houses out of town. The Rev didn't like that. He wants them to stay here. A bed is a bed no matter will it is. Is there a homeless issue in Asbury ? Yes. Is it a major problem ? No? Will it be if the mission opens? Yes? Because the Mission will most definitely solicite and attract out of towners. The numbers will increase dramaticly. When their 30 days are up they will be on the streets of Asbury. Point, well taken! They're places, where one can get a meal, but they are not shelters. Where are the shelters, for the homeless? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: 1. Check Mate 2. The Mercy Center 3. Interfaith Neigbors 4. Trinity Church 5. Let's not forget Rev. Nunn he says he feeds over 100 homeless a day. Plusc he stopped the violence too. Pluc the city will get housing for those who WANT it. Just to name a few. I find this article contemptuous! One, YOU do NOT speak, for over 17,000 AP residents and you certainly DON'T speak, for me! I found the remarks about how many agencies, serving this community incorrect. You don't cite or name any agency, that serves the poor. Your figures, on how many of any group, ex-convicts, alcoholics, etc., are over-inflated, to make your argument, credible. You are using ficticious numbers in all instances to make your argument, when the reality, is quite different! Please list me 2 agencies that house and help the poor; just 2 and I will lower my tone! I haven't heard one word, in favor of the Mission, because you are so bent on having it YOUR way and discrediting the head of the Mission and using city resources, to make their presence here, untenable. That'a all I have to say of the unchristianlike attitude, of a small group, that want parity when it comes to their life issues and inequality, for all others! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: (Not exactly as I wrote it but this op ed piece appeared in Morristown's local paper, home of the market street mission.) Asbury Park does not want this shelter Community is struggling to get back on feet as is thousands of ex-cons, pedophiles, alcoholics and drug addicts from all over New Jersey that the mission intends to bring to our home year after year. Thousands? The Mission has stated, it only has room for 37! -- -- Paul Vail is a resident of Asbury Park. So am I! 36 years and I VOTE, thanks to the Civil Rights Act! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just received this.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, smc05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: I would rather not say but it came from a anti mission person. It was for information only. I'm not endorsing this one bit. JERSEY SHORE RESCUE MISSION'S SPECIAL CELEBRATION DINNER ALL ARE WELCOME PLEASE JOIN US Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:00 PM 5:00 PM 701 Memorial Drive, Asbury Park, NJ Unbelieveable! Where did you get this info? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Calculate Your Property Tax Savings
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like those numbers, 2 towns get less than Asbury. Of course the poorest towns get the least oh it's an election year. Let's take care of the. suburban towns Just passing this along FYI. The site has a calculator to approximate how much your property taxes will be reduced. No guarantee how accurate it is, but I liked my results. _http://www.njdsc.org/proptax.php#2_ (http://www.njdsc.org/proptax.php#2) _The New Jersey Democratic State Committee_ (http://www.njdsc.org/proptax.php#2) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Well, at least it's better than Partners' offices
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Welcome home Dan I thought you'd like the wrap idea. Does that count toward the rehab of the pav? I figured if I criticized that I'd get the usual response of looking at the glass half full. I guess I am becoming a real APer. I'd probably welcome someone to pee on me if I were on fire. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Well, at least it's better than Partners' offices
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: What exactly is a wrap? Welcome home Dan I thought you'd like the wrap idea. Does that count toward the rehab of the pav? I figured if I criticized that I'd get the usual response of looking at the glass half full. I guess I am becoming a real APer. I'd probably welcome someone to pee on me if I were on fire. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Well, at least it's better than Partners' offices
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those piles should be gone by summer. Careful Dan. Point out that the wrapping could've been done to make the rubble pile etc. look better and a bunch of people will tell you it looks fine, your crazy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: What exactly is a wrap? Plastic Wallpaper. Shrink wrap. Like the NY CITY Buses with adverts all over. Lots of new sales offices do this. The Shuttle trains (Grand Central to Times Square for you bumpkins) has the entire inside of the subway cars, doors, ceilings, floors, seats - everything, covered in the wrap for one of the AC casinos. Very colorful. I didn't assume they meant that for metro but maybe you're right. MM also said they were going to attractively screen their construction sites. What a novel idea, most have been doing it for years. Maybe they can get Partnersto do it for the non-retail sites likes the rock crushing operation. With a little will, effort and money the waterfront area could look so much better to visitors even while it undergoes restoration. My father always taught me to get my shoes shined with my last $.50. No one wants to do business with a brokester. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Well, at least it's better than Partners' offices
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather have the piles some place close to the site because you'll have nothing but trucks driving through The City. You'll see when the next phases start. Careful Dan. Point out that the wrapping could've been done to make the rubble pile etc. look better and a bunch of people will tell you it looks fine, your crazy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: What exactly is a wrap? Plastic Wallpaper. Shrink wrap. Like the NY CITY Buses with adverts all over. Lots of new sales offices do this. The Shuttle trains (Grand Central to Times Square for you bumpkins) has the entire inside of the subway cars, doors, ceilings, floors, seats - everything, covered in the wrap for one of the AC casinos. Very colorful. I didn't assume they meant that for metro but maybe you're right. MM also said they were going to attractively screen their construction sites. What a novel idea, most have been doing it for years. Maybe they can get Partnersto do it for the non-retail sites likes the rock crushing operation. With a little will, effort and money the waterfront area could look so much better to visitors even while it undergoes restoration. My father always taught me to get my shoes shined with my last $.50. No one wants to do business with a brokester. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Well, at least it's better than Partners' offices
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: Those piles should be gone by summer. Well if that's true then I guess the pile will be gone by summer and a new one will start. I recall Lamle responding to Jack that the rock crushing operation would continue through the entire infrastructure build out. That is not going to be finished this summer is it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Another Done Deal
Asbury hotel bought for $16M Berkeley-Carteret to reopen shortly Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/28/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU Post Comment ASBURY PARK New York real estate investors Joseph and Jacob Chetrit bought the Berkeley-Carteret Oceanfront Hotel on Tuesday, paying $16 million for the historic 248-room building on the city's waterfront, the broker who handled the sale said. Patricia Kobble said she represented both the buyers and sellers Daniel and Ike Ahn in the deal. She said the Chetrit brothers want to get the hotel closed since late last fall refurbished, restored and reopened as soon as possible, although she did not know if they could do it by Memorial Day. They've ordered everything I saw the wallpaper, the furniture they're ready, Kobble said. As fast as they can get it done, that's as fast as they will open. The brothers' company, the Chetrit Group, based in New York, has large real estate holdings around the country. Joseph Chetrit headed a joint venture of partners who bought the Sears Tower in Chicago for $840 million in 2004. Kobble said she saw Joseph Chetrit's interest in the Berkeley- Carteret, built in 1925, as a natural. He's in the hotel business and he likes beachfront hotels that's what his specialty is, she said. If true, that's a big boost for the waterfront redevelopment and the city, Deputy Mayor James Bruno said. I'm hoping they can work together with Madison Marquette and Asbury Partners to bring the north side of Convention Hall, the boardwalk area, back to life. It looks like everything's falling into place. The new owners are working on a plan to buy additional property to provide parking at the hotel, said Kobble, who handled the sale working for Prudential but said she has just switched to Portfolio, a small agency in Lakewood specializing in large commercial sales. Joseph and Jacob Chetrit could not be reached for comment. Nor could the sellers, Daniel Ahn and his son, Ike Ahn. Daniel Ahn, a Queens-based entrepreneur, bought the hotel in December 1998 for $5.1 million plus $181,000 owed in back taxes. Ahn and his family refurbished the Berkeley-Carteret and kept it open through the years that the city's waterfront plans were being created, approved and financed. Boardwalk will be busy With this sale going through, and a commitment from the new owners to get the hotel back on line for this summer, we're going to have work under way all along the beachfront, City Manager Terence Reidy said Tuesday. He said that Metro Homes plans to open a new sales office in the Fourth Avenue Pavilion to sell condos in the 224-unit Esperanza high rise. And Madison Marquette, the national retail developer is working to open a new restaurant in the vacant Howard Johnson's by Memorial Day. Reidy said the Berkeley-Carteret sale comes a week after Madison Marquette signed a deal with developers Asbury Partners to lead the development of the entertainment and retail sectors of the waterfront project. Madison Marquette has said their work over the next five years will be a $150 million to $200 million investment. This announcement today, coupled with Madison Marquette a week ago is huge, Reidy said. Absolutely huge. Once again, despite what people are saying about the real estate market, it shows confidence in the city of Asbury Park and the future of our city. Ahn had bought the hotel from the Maharishi Maheshi Yogi, whose organization bought it in 1994 from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. for $1.85 million, of which $625,000 was for the hotel and the remainder for back taxes and liens. At that time, the property was assessed at $3 million. The maharishi planned to use the hotel as a Transcendental Meditation university and holistic health care center. The city did not allow those uses. The maharishi had to maintain the hotel's primary use as a hotel. The owners in the mid-1980s were a group led by local businessmen Henry and Sebastian Vaccaro, who restored the hotel but ended up in bankruptcy. C Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm talking to walls here
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know it that's why it started, but Bradley Beach and others took advandage of it big time. It's not like the AP BOE didn't try to stop it. Maybe the commissioner knew what he was doing. Again All of You Check your information about how the program started, who and why? The program was made to help white students avoid coming to the Asbury Park High School. Now I said it. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another Done Deal
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you think the Waterfront Redevelopement plan had somethibg to do with the price tag? If there was no plan it would have been boarded up by now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: Asbury hotel bought for $16M Berkeley-Carteret to reopen shortly Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/28/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU = BC-Hotel, built 1925, Private Property = $16M Convention Hall, built 1929, Public Property = $3.5M Is something wrong with this picture? Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: beirut by the sea
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote: If they now say the Casino will be done by the summer of 09 and DRA says 2010. Wouldn't the DRA have to be change? If so maybe the HOJO's will be change. I hear they will have all Pavillions done by 2010. If that's true all timeline need to be changed in the DRA. Plus they still have to talk about what MM needs. This is FAR from over. Anyhow, Maureen, and many others, just can't wrap any support to MM and the way things are in AP today. Well, the MM deal is, as TG would say big; It is big if it really happens, which I hope fervently. I am not sure what the issue is about Hojo's because as I remember, the DRA specified that the 1st floor would be done by June 2007 and the 2nd Floor by June 2008. That was the deal and the city should live up to it. Now I don;t know if that is the issue or the type of restoration they hope to do on the 1st floor. Although I know that MM thinks the DRA has no teeth, I beleive that the city should work with MM but stick it to Partners for what will be an obviously violation of the deadlines. Dennis, the angst comes from historically having smoke blown up your ass by the people in charge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly in AP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you call the COPS? I don't think the one I saw was a prostitute. I think she's a resident of the hotel across the street from where I live. She definitely reeked of alcohol, and she was stumbling around like a mess. Probably the same person who puked on my sidewalk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: I wonder if that was the prostitute I saw yesterday, pulled over with a John by sunset lake. 4 cop cars for 15 minutes, then I see them get back in the car and drive away. I don't know how these things, go down, like maybe just a summons could be issued in cases like this? But It seemed strange to me that two people under scrutiny of at least 4 cops for 15 minutes would just drive away. And yes, she was a regular prostitute I see in the neighborhood. The AP politically connected elite would have you think that I just decided to throw away my dream to turn to the dark side and bash them. but i was here for better ethical reasons than anyone. I just wasn't the kind of material to make in into the clique with my bare feet and no shirt sweating for a living on the boardwalk; while doing more anonymous charitable things for the community than they'd ever entertain. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: So, last night, I visited Bistro Ole with my friends for the first time. Great experience. Excellent food and service, and the entire staff was great. This was preceeded by a visit to Market in the Middle for some wine for Sangria. I love Market in the Middle. It's currently one of my favorite things about AP. After a nearly 4 hour dining experience, I head home, only to discover a drugged out, drunk chick stumbling around where I was trying to park. This lost soul was a mess. Great way to end a night. It makes me thankful i didn't invite my out of town friends over. Of course, a portion of our dinner conversation involved our bad experiences in AP as well as fond memories about better times. I get up this morning and take my dog for a walk, and as i'm doing so i'm amazed at the growing amount of dog poop that is piling up in Liberty Square Park. It's disgusting. And it's not just there, it's on Bergh, it's on 1st...it's everywhere. I've never seen so much dog poo in anyplace i've lived before. Here's the topper. I take my dog home and head out for work, and at the bottom of the steps leading to the sidewalk, there's a nice fresh pile of puke. Gee, thanks to whoever left that for me. I'm still queezy from seeing it. Why don't people respect the community they live in? Why Tommorow is the year anniversary of moving to AP, and to be honest I regret the decision. Like so many people, I have hope for a brighter future, but my hope and patience is really beginning to disappear. I love my apt, and I really don't want to go thru the stress of moving again, but I'm really not sure if I want to put up with the mess, the lost souls, the litter and the depressing oceanfront for much longer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tax payers and schools
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been done but it's NOT easy. One other big Perk - you can never be fired as long as you are a tenured Teacher, Administrator or any other tenured employee. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] AP Board Candidates.
ASBURY PARK: Twelve candidates, including all five incumbents, are seeking five seats on the Board of Education. Board Vice President Garrett Giberson, 518 Deal Lake Drive, filed for his second three-year term. Two incumbents who were appointed to fill vacancies last month Gregory Hopson Sr., 1501 Grand Ave., and Marie Castro, 1701 Ocean Ave. also filed for the three three-year seats that are up. The other candidates for the three-year terms are Rhonda Hazelton, 1513 Bangs Ave.; Joseph Klee, 1406 Fourth Ave.; Mary Kubik, 604 Second Ave.; Barbara Lesinski, 606 Seventh Ave.; and Thomas Pivinski, 1607 Emory St. Incumbent Adrienne Sanders, 1306 Pine St., who has served three full terms, filed for the unexpired two-year term that opened when former board member Susan Bisaha resigned before completing a year of her term. Sanders will face the Rev. Johnie Vause, 126 Atkins Ave. Incumbent Frank D'Alessandro, 513 Sixth Ave., who has served one full term, filed to run for the unexpired one-year term vacated when Eileen Sonnier resigned last year. He will face Beverly Causby, 180 Prospect Ave. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lastly...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Abbott lawsuit took about 4 years. I'm with you on this one Tom. I don't understand the rationale (legally) around letting students in this district go to other district's public schools. Requiring those students to go to APH of pay for private would improve the overall diversity of the school while increasing the focus on improvements not just from parents in AP but parents and taxpayers from the entire district. A lawsuit from the school board to re-visit this avoid Asbury Park High policy is both appropriate and would have a good chance of success. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oak you have taken my ball and run onto a whole different field with it. In fact, you are not even playing the same sport with my ball. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING in any of my posts has to due with inequality in funding. NOTHING. My topic is that we are sending the white kids away from their HOME district. Get that? Their HOME district. That's why I call it reverse busing. I understand people don't like busing when it is taking kids away from their home district, to a foreign district, to create racial balacne in the foreign district. I understand that is objectionable. If that is objectionable, so is busing kids AWAY FROM THEIR HOME DISTRICT therefore creating the segregated district at home! Why not make all the kids stay in their home district? They're making your kid do it Oak, but the kids in the Asbury District are given this special privilege to avoid AP. This decision was race based. It is the only one like it. It was done with a particular purpose, which if you look at the enrollment, worked. None of the matters you cite overturned Brown. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: TD: Lsats are June 11. Can't wait. Given the true facts, I see no reason why the schools in NJ are not funded equally. Again, TD, at what point are things considered equal? Is it the point every kid from an Abbott district gets into a college of their choice or gets straight A's, what about the white kids from the lawsuit driven rural Abbott Districts? Tell me - what is equal? beer on me. (then we'll be equal) Another bit: http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/1003/article/501 Instead of relying on these explicit constitutional guarantees, the Court chose to compromise and used sophistic social science in a legal case that would cripple the education and lives of millions of black children for generations to come. With all due respect to Judge Damon Keith (a jurist of the highest order) this gala event tomorrow [May 17, 2003] celebrating the Brown v. Board of Education case, is a terrible tragedy, not because I don't believe that black people should be allowed to attend school with whites. I am a black man--born and raised in Detroit and attended Detroit public schools with white children from K-12. However, to celebrate a court case such as Brown, which is obviously not based on a single judicial precedent, diminishes the Constitution that every American should put its faith in to uphold. In 1954, there was a Faustian bargain made among the eight voting members of the U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, the President, as well as every court in America, every political leader, every public school, private school, law school, university, academy, and every responsible American citizen. To give legitimacy to Brown v. Board of Education, is to sacrifice lawful constitutional due process and sound constitutional jurisprudence for the expediency of the public policy fiction, which the Brown opinion solidified in American culture--that is, that black children must be allowed to attend public school with white children in order to get [equally] educated. This type of misguided public policy presupposes that black people, prior to 1954, were totally uneducated, ignorant and, just waiting for Masser to open up the school house door so us poor negroes can finally get educated by going to school with the white folks! Ms. Taylor, the hateful assumptions Brown makes about our people should be publicly denounced by all rational persons of any race, class or creed. In the final analysis, I hope that you will read the selected passages on the Brown opinion in my book, The Inseparability of Law and Morality: The Constitution, Natural Law and the Rule of Law (University Press of America,); mtownsend@, or http://www.univpress.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have to agree with you Werner. Keep the K-8 they have a chance if the BOE switches to K-8 schools. The High School kids should be bus out to L.B. and Neptune they overbuilt their new schools by a couple hundred kids each. But first, both Supers. have to go. They should try and hire the LB Super. He may have a big ego but he has the respect of the Teachers and he gets the job done. He walks the walk. Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good debate goig on here. I'm with you on this one Tom. I've been advocating state takeover but that's no great solution either. I think this is a better way to go. Bottom line is that this is so broken there's no fixing it as it is today. The reccomendation you have been advocating, and now apparently the APP is, seems like a viable solution to proving better learning opportunities for APP kids. And Werner, I would tend to believe it is better to provide a good educational opportunity regionally then to fail our kids because we are worried about the identity of a community's children being sacrificed. How many decades does it take to demonstrate that this school system will not solve it's own problems. How many generations of kids should we sacrifice to keep local control? What is the community identity left for these kids by a failed school system? Tom makes a good point below about the other towns who don't have their own HS - doesn't seem to be a problem there. So why would it be for our kids? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Right Werner, because kids from Spring Lake, Sea Girt, Interlaken and the rest suffer such great identity problems from being bused out of their towms to go school. You can just see it in the way kids from those towns struggle in life. Just no identity to be proud of. Good grief. Let me tell you something right now. The worst thing that could happen to this debate is to let psychobabble about community identity obfuscate this issue. How many generations of Asbury Park kids would you like to see suffer in the name of this identity issue you raise? Besides, pride comes from being a part of something good. This school situation is not good for them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Close the HS ? What a terrible idea. The identity of a community's children and young adults is tied to the educational system. Bus them out of town, make really feel like they are not wanted here? Certainly there are better social solutions that closure. Privatization was discussed here, a 'high tech' and vocational school was proposed by me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Last Night's Zoning Board Hearing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: You are wrong Sharon it's not race it's job performeance and the past 4 Supers. and didn't perform, including the acting Super. They let the system die. Now they must rebuild, they have lost some very good Teachers over the past 10 years. How can you attract good Teachers with what's going on there? You can't, unless you offer them the world. REBUILD FROM TOP TO BOTTOM! I respect your right to say whatever you wish, but I feel the way I feel, after much coded language, that some, employ, while not really saying what they really mean! I find this prevalent in groups of individuals, who have an agenda, guised as something else. I have not lived in this country, ignorant of bigotry and racism, as I've seen in the state of NJ, in the 36 years, I've lived here, in Monmouth County. I've seen it in the schools, employment and just in daily living, where I'm reminded constantly, that I don't matter and I don't count, but it's okay, for nearly every male in my family to serve in the military, then be profiled, when walking, driving, or just being. Ask any Black man, that walks into a room, filled with another race. No, I don't have a chip on my shoulder; it's just a fact of life, to be of another hue and treated like a second-classed, citizen. Just look at the schools, here. Mostly Black and brown. The kids are under-served, while enormous amounts of money is expended on a lost cause. Blacks are, herded, on the West-Side, that looked like a bombed-out, remnant, from the Blitz, in London! Public housing, sub-standard housing, vermin and rat-infested housing, while rents are jacked up to receive Section-8, funds, from the Federal Government. While Blacks are 90% or close to it in this town, they are under-represented and a bone is thrown at them, every once in a while. While the City is Gay-Tolerant, it isn't too much else! Where are the jobs? Where's the education? In the toilet, that's where! Okay, blame the parents, but what happened to THEIR, opportunity? There ISN'T, any! No training programs, no connecting transportation, for a population, that don't own autos, in a commuter state! Ridiculous! Where the real industry, was placed in suburbia and the malls, only offer minimum wage jobs. An influx of illegal immigrants, that the Police and City Officials, seem to avoid, because it is the Federal Governments' job, to enforce immigration! Where the jails, are filled to capacity, with OUR fruit; men and women of child-bearing age, locked up for drugs, theft, etc., where they are doomed to wind up back in jail, a method of keeping voting down, because they are disenfranchised from voting, while prisoners in other northern states, are permitted to vote, even while incarcerated. NJ and AP, are microcosms, of an overwhelming system, devised to keep people of color, in check, so when I hear of individuals, bent on keeping one segment of society, OUT of the system, of the land of the free and home of the brave, while practicing a form of apartheid, I get suspicious. When a council, files a friend of the court, in matters, NONE of their business, it is an attempt, to muzzle, something! Okay, keep the Mission OUT of Asbury, then when a homeless person, pops up dead, I'll say, I told you so, all you so-called Christians, OUT there! Would you turn Jesus, away, too? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Werner, I agree with YOUR post, completely! If STAND UP FOR ASBURY, is circulating dis-information, THIS should be exposed, also! I find STAND UP, the equivalent of WCC, (White Citizen's Councils, cousins of the KKK)! Next, they'll want all of the Blacks out, too! Sharon In all due respect I think you are wrong. Firstly, the listing of places that were not shelters was not purposeful disinformation. It was wrong information and corrected. They should have been presented as places that serve the homeless and less fortunate. Secondly, your characterization of SUFA as a racist organization is not only wrong, but hurtful to individuals like myself who support it and are certainly not racist. SUFA is supported by people of all colors. Race has nothing to do with it. Not being a part of this group, I wouldn't know, so if there are other races, they are just as bad! Neither might I add does socio-economic status. SUFA is supported by people who recognize the responsibility of society to those less fortunate and who have essentially, fallen through the cracks. However, these same individuals also realize that the Mission is not good for this city. This city has shouldered far more than its fair share over the decades in terms of social responsibility. The Mission as currently
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy even I do agree with you on some of your points. Now Sharons issues come into play because these white communities will NOT ALLOW this to happen. Maybe 25 years from now. The State could start by ending this RCA bull and make these white communities build affordable housing in there towns. I know you mean well but your R friends are no friends of AP their base of voters are from white communities and the same goes for some D's. Oak, You bring up a good point that was covered alot on Randy Bergmann's Blog. We are talking about resources. When a school has a vast majority of kids who need no special attention, then they will have plenty of resources to deal with the few kids that need attention. Now look at Asbury Park High School. Judging from the report card, 8 out of every 10 students needs extra help right now. We have our heads in the sand if we think one school can handle its problems when 8 out of 10 needs attenion. Breaking up the students to other schools, where the resources from all the schools can be used, and the amount of kids in each school being diluted, is the best way to garner those resources and help the kids. IMHO. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: and in the editorial: At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. 1. Problem is now, there is NO place to stick the troublemakers - other then to mainstream them. Like castro emptying out trouble to the us. 2. Long branch has extra capacity and so does neptune. 3.OT already has 30 plus kids per class and no place to stick the trouble makers and the high school can't handle the problems it has today. 4. Is the state going to supplement the receving schools - or are the resident taxpayers going to get stuck trying to fix waht over 1 billion didn't? 5. What is the plan over the next 5 years to ELIMINATE the misuse and abuse of the Abbott Systems. Eliminate the attorneys representing the Abbott districts and there would be over $20 million more that could gotto education instrad of defending and covering up the abuse. 6. HOw will school budgets be voted on - bussing doesn't FIX the homelife and social aspects of going home to a vacant home, a drug infested home or no home or to a gang mom either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Why is it incompenence? They has reasons didn't they. Weren't they worried about people getting hurt? Weren't they worried about enforcement? Go ask Rita how she felt about it. She didn't even want the time extended to noon. Why didn't this guy go directly to a council meeting and demand to be heard and give his reason for a bike lane. He keeps on saying The truth as I know it His truth may not be the truth. Like Momma always says there a 3 sides to evey story. Isn't it really the same thing? Can't we trust our elected officials to act competently in the name of the people? And if not, isn't that corruption? Furthermore, if you don't beleive there is corruption (not necessarily evidence of it; after all, a murderer doesn't always provide evidence, but the victim is still dead) here, than you are in denial. Frustrating to know what goes on, but like you say, falling on deaf ears of the corrupt. I just have a problem making an accusation without evidence regardless of my suspicions. There is an inordinately large amount of evidence to support incompetence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will relay the message to him. Yes, mr. bruno, they had reasons. You felt intimidated by city youths, and made it about bikes instead, so as to not be politically incorrect. Look, it's already obvious to me that you would rather be right, than see the city suceed. all of the pompous politicians here are living in their own alternative bizarro asbury park. you keep on beleiving your right, while the city never recovers; regardless of what you think these new buildings are doing. Already failing? How come I was actually encouraged; if not warned against my business. Yes, of course it was off the record, of course iit was. That means i deserve what I get, right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Why is it incompenence? They has reasons didn't they. Weren't they worried about people getting hurt? Weren't they worried about enforcement? Go ask Rita how she felt about it. She didn't even want the time extended to noon. Why didn't this guy go directly to a council meeting and demand to be heard and give his reason for a bike lane. He keeps on saying The truth as I know it His truth may not be the truth. Like Momma always says there a 3 sides to evey story. Isn't it really the same thing? Can't we trust our elected officials to act competently in the name of the people? And if not, isn't that corruption? Furthermore, if you don't beleive there is corruption (not necessarily evidence of it; after all, a murderer doesn't always provide evidence, but the victim is still dead) here, than you are in denial. Frustrating to know what goes on, but like you say, falling on deaf ears of the corrupt. I just have a problem making an accusation without evidence regardless of my suspicions. There is an inordinately large amount of evidence to support incompetence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are saying if the ordinance wasn't enforced you would have stayed? You know who you should blame then. If I would have been informed beforehand, I could have changed the plan. But there was no reason to change the plan, as I was encouraged. Particularly when I asked about renting prior to purchasing the new fleet. If I was quoted as to city ordinances, which according to your ideals, should have been the protocol; I wouldn't have spent the money. But, since I trusted the word of city officials instead, I got screwed. Are you going to start enforcing the ordinance of no bathing attire on boards or adjacent walkways? SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT; understand, how it could be ok in the name of progress? No? Than enforce it! Enforce all those laws that will mark dark ages instead of progress in the name of being right! You think I'm just saying they said it would be OK? Ask boardwalk merchants and Uri K from the partners that were present at that meeting in tides if I didn't ask top cops before spending my money on new rentals. If they tell you I didn't, their lying! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Why is it incompenence? They has reasons didn't they. Weren't they worried about people getting hurt? Weren't they worried about enforcement? Go ask Rita how she felt about it. She didn't even want the time extended to noon. Why didn't this guy go directly to a council meeting and demand to be heard and give his reason for a bike lane. He keeps on saying The truth as I know it His truth may not be the truth. Like Momma always says there a 3 sides to evey story. Isn't it really the same thing? Can't we trust our elected officials to act competently in the name of the people? And if not, isn't that corruption? Furthermore, if you don't beleive there is corruption (not necessarily evidence of it; after all, a murderer doesn't always provide evidence, but the victim is still dead) here, than you are in denial. Frustrating to know what goes on, but like you say, falling on deaf ears of the corrupt. I just have a problem making an accusation without evidence regardless of my suspicions. There is an inordinately large amount of evidence to support incompetence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't know who you are. I'm just going on hearsay, like always. I just think you should have more of a hardon for yourself and stop blaming everyone for your poor business decision. That being said you say you're doing just fine at your new location, I'm sure Asbury Partners will find a tenant. The City will continue to selectly enforce the ordinance so all should be happy. Unless the City has a bike lane this year then I would say you were screwed. I've only been on this forum for a few hours, but that became apparrent right off the bat. I can imagine who this is, he's probably been waiting for me to find this forum. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Fred, you do realize that my Shop only opened to the boardwalk, right? Shouldn't someone have at least suggested I open in a different location due to the potential issues? Robert, in Fred's eyes, it is against the laws of nature that the city or Partners can do something wrong. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's that suppose to mean. With so much hate for Asbury Partners and Asbury Politics it's funny you have asburypedaler as your screen name. Shouldn't it be allenhurstpedaler? I can see Fred now, furiously shredding the evidence --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: Fred, you do realize that my Shop only opened to the boardwalk, right? Shouldn't someone have at least suggested I open in a different location due to the potential issues? Robert, in Fred's eyes, it is against the laws of nature that the city or Partners can do something wrong. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same thing Conti was chased from Asbury Park, some people in the Community and the Board wanting him out. They got their wish. Now compare football programs. Sounds better than what we have and I say, KEEP, the 1%, if it works! I know Conti, too! He was an excellent Football Coach at AP, for years! He knew me, from my Pop Warner days. On Thanksgiving Day, I'd take one boy from Asbury and 1 from Neptune, to the LM Diner, on the Circle. All of the coaches from Ocean TWP., were there, also. It was to teach, Sportsmanship! For me, Football, was just a game! For the kids? It was bragging rights! I did this from 1977 through 1989. My last child graduated, June, 1989 and I moved on. The kids who were the recipients, never forgot and they became friends for life and found out that Neptune and Asbury Park, are ONE and the SAME! I'm glad that I had the opportunity to spend time with these great athletes, who were just, kids! I wish these adults, would be half, of what these kids, were and are! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: ocean can't handle what they have now - ask conti. trust me on this one. Out of control. Nothing they can do with at least 30% of the kids or more. Maybe if OT could get 30% of AP's funding. that would be 50% of our ENTIRE budget. I'd take that 30mill the first year, lease and fit out a nice school. The 2nd year with that 30mill, I'd hookup all the kids with funding for college. I'd keep 1% for my own pocket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you open your business first, then talk to Reidy or visa versa? I agree. Knowing what I know now, I would not expect the city to do anything in good faith; I just wish I had not come here with blind faith! Truly, my own fault for having a good heart, and being a man of my word. Shouldn't expect others to have such ethics; even when it could be good for them, --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: While I am sorry to hear about the toubles you had. You can not expect the city to suggest where you open. - Original Message From: asburyparkpedaler robert@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:48:29 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting When Reidy told me the plan, it sounded great. A center lane with a 5 MPH speed limit. Anyone operating outside of these guidelines would be enforced. What's the problem? Especially since roads were not condusive to cycling, particularly with ocean view. The other thing that bothers me is that if Kinmon was willing to go out on a limb and tell me I'd not have a problem with rentals; it would not have been difficult for the city to alter ordinance to allow commercial bikes; considering I had valid mercantile license. As for you, Fred, you do realize that my Shop only opened to the boardwalk, right? Shouldn't someone have at least suggested I open in a different location due to the potential issues? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Why not be progressive? Exactly my thought. Bike lanes along the beach work in many places, and they definitely would've worked in AP. The Strand in LA is the best example I can think of. Only difference is it's concrete rather then wood. When I lived in LA, tons and tons of people shared the Strand every single day without incident because they knew, because of lines, that bikes and rollerbladers go here, and walkers go there. We have the widest boardwalk around. Plenty of room for everyone. As for enforcing the rules, I had many varying encounters with riding my bike on the boardwalk. In the beginning of the summer, I did it all the time, and there were definitely cops present, and nobody told me to stop. Then, toward the end of the summer, I got kicked off once, and like a good citizen I followed the rules. Next thing i knew, I was the guy riding on the pothole ridden street, but there were still others riding on the boardwalk, and nobody seemed to be enforcing that. Also, one thing that amazed me is that many times, the boardwalk was nearly deserted, so here's a rule that keeps people from riding on a deserted boardwalk. What is that? Even nobody else is there, you can't go there either. Absurd. As for Rita, I was at a council meeting where she began bashing bikes, because one fricken person had a bad encounter. Knee jerk reaction. Welcome to bicycle friendly Asbury Park. What BS. They need to stop calling this city bicycle friendly. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: I'm saying that I would not have spent $14K on new rental units if I was told that they would enforce bike restrictions on the boardwalk in the upcoming season. You attitude towards this is exactly why this place is doomed to fail, yet again. Why not be progressive, particularly when the people being attracted here to buy homes are encouraging it? You and Rita would rather argue for the sake of arguing. If I say black, you'll say white --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: So you are saying if the ordinance wasn't enforced you would have stayed? You know who you should blame then. If I would have been informed beforehand, I could have changed the plan. But there was no reason to change the plan, as I was encouraged. Particularly when I asked about renting prior to purchasing the new fleet. If I was quoted as to city ordinances, which according to your ideals, should have been the protocol; I wouldn't have spent the money. But, since I trusted the word of city officials instead, I got screwed. Are you going to start enforcing the ordinance of no bathing attire on boards or adjacent walkways? SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT; understand, how it could be ok in the name of progress? No? Than enforce it! Enforce all those laws that will mark dark ages instead of progress
[AsburyPark] Re: Last Night's Zoning Board Hearing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: The names I was talking about started after Jannarone Munday, Mann, Lewis, McDavis. Mundy was probally the worst, Mann was just building up his pension and taking care of the good ole boys, Lewis nothing stuck to him and Mc Davis is just going through the motions. As for the kids doing terrible over the years alot of it starts at home. When you have Parents who aren't able to help their kids with homework because they have to work 3 jobs or Parents who don't have the skills to help or the Parents who just don't care. Economics also plays a key role. Had many well to do families have to worry about feeding their kids or clothing them? NONE.What are their test scorce? Compare Middleclass Community Test Scorce to Poor Communities. Abbott funding didn't work what will? You are wrong Sharon it's not race it's job performeance and the past 4 Supers. and didn't perform, including the acting Super. They let the system die. Now they must rebuild, they have lost some very good Teachers over the past 10 years. How can you attract good Teachers with what's going on there? You can't, unless you offer them the world. REBUILD FROM TOP TO BOTTOM! Fred, longer than that! 10 years? How about 1972? It was BAD, then or so I heard! Whose job? The Super? So you're talking, Lewis, Mann, Jannerone and who? Who is #4? The overwhelming school population, is African-American. If it isn't race, why are there so many dumb, black kids, in Asbury Park? Have you read your History? The reason, these kids are failing is racism! It has been since 1954, that Brown vs. the Board of Education was decided. Who was the lawyer arguing the case? Thurgood Marshall, that's who! What did the Supreme Court say? That segregated schools, are separate and unequal! AP, is violating the law, by not educating these kids! Would you want the ACLU, to come into town? The Southern Poverty Law System? New Jersey is a disgrace, nationally. It is the second most segregated State, in the Union! Do you all read the papers? I believe I read it in the NY Times or the Washington Post. I am stating what I read in the newspapers. I am NOT accusing anyone, but if it sounds like a duck, walk like a duck,... The people in this forum did NOT create this problem, it was already here! If you are not a native, it's NOT your fault! It was already here! Why do you think kids, from Deal and Ocean Township attended here? To achieve racial balance! Afte the riot of 1970, whites, MOVED to Ocean Township! The businesses, moved there, too! You didn't NEED a Seaview Mall, you HAD Asbury Park! I got so sick and tired of ATT employees asking me, why did the blacks burn down their businesses? I replied, they didn't OWN, anything! Look, I don't know any of you, so ask someone who was BORN, here and they will wax sentimentally, of all they HAD! NJN, had a beautiful video presentation on the lives of Blacks on the Shore and their contributions. Ask another Black and see what they'll tell you! It isn't me! I respect your right to say whatever you wish, but I feel the way I feel, after much coded language, that some, employ, while not really saying what they really mean! I find this prevalent in groups of individuals, who have an agenda, guised as something else. I have not lived in this country, ignorant of bigotry and racism, as I've seen in the state of NJ, in the 36 years, I've lived here, in Monmouth County. I've seen it in the schools, employment and just in daily living, where I'm reminded constantly, that I don't matter and I don't count, but it's okay, for nearly every male in my family to serve in the military, then be profiled, when walking, driving, or just being. Ask any Black man, that walks into a room, filled with another race. No, I don't have a chip on my shoulder; it's just a fact of life, to be of another hue and treated like a second-classed, citizen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send
[AsburyPark] Re: I'm Vindicated! Close the High School!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The Abbott was a kid in Newark I believe and Burke was the Commissioner a lawsuit was filed on Abbotts behalf so yes a citizen can file a suit Please do it. You want to help the kids? You want to go down in history as the 3 best Board members ever? You want to be civil rights heroes? File that suit. Please. All you have to do is have standing to file the suit no? If they don't can't a citizen? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should reread his post he said Bruno was intimadated. If you had done your homework it wasn't Bruno who demanded the enforcement of that ordinance. It was July, and I know it was intimidation in his own words; beleive it or not, underneath all of my rhetoric, I know what I'm talking about. But if it was football players that intimidated him, why did he immediately go after bicycles, gioing so far as to implement 24 hr emergency enforcement. It makes even less sense now, unless he's trying to deny implementing said rules. Furthermore, if your still in denial, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly, I don't need to spend all my time and energy in a frivolous attempt at proving corruption against the city. It's obvious to anyone willing to open their eyes. That's for you guys whose hearts are still here. I am on this and other forums to warn others about the false reporting in media about this place, and offer some of the truth about what it really is to live here. Yes, I still live here, and know what goes on daily. Bravo on being bruno's freind, must not be easy from what I've seen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i did what you suggested i called him and asked him, he said it was a an august night, a majority of the lights on the bdwalk were out, and 8 to 10 kids were playing football on the bdwalk, almost knocking over an enderly man in a wheel chair, not bruno, and he indeed did use the word intimidated, to that issue not bikes... again as far as corruption to say you reported it to the city, but they do not care, did you ever hear of the words county prosecutor, or better yet CHRISTIE? I have reported it (corruption), only it's to the city. They are obviously not interested in what I have to say. If someone wanted to collect my info in a forum where it would be properly addressed and processed, I'd offer it up; but I haven't found anyone yet interested in the truth. I can prove what I say, but it's not the bombshell type of corruption, like someone lining their pockets with taxpayers money kind of stuff; just how people use their public positions to selectively enforce laws,and intimidate merchants/citizens. Is there pockets being lined in the process? Almost certainly. But, everything in Asbury is hearsay, isn't it? That's the problem. Furthermore, we can respectfully agree to disagree. I know that I saw Jim Keady on at least two occasions on BB boards on his bike, while their ordinance was in effect. Also, from the time I arrived to set up my business in march of '05, I spent more time on that boardwalk than ANYONE for over the next year; and I mean every day. So what I report about councilmen is just what I experienced in that time frame. Although Keady was up there for more than the just the news stories. And on at least two occasions Brunbo was too; one of these was the intimidation episode. And when I call it intimidation, I'm using his own words, ask him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i have no reason, not to believe some of your posts,im sorry what happened to you did and wish you luck,however i disagree with several of your statements, knowing j. bruno for many years i have never known him to be intiminated, by anything let alone kids on bikes, i also disagree with your statement that he is only on the bd walk for photops, that is totally untrue. i also dont believe councilman keady would knowingly break the law as you stated. i also believe that if you know of corruption going on in this city , you said it you are wrong not to report it. I am the pedaler. Realize first, that I have no reason to lie on my web page. I put down the facts the way that I see them. I came here with the very best of intentions of starting and keeping my business here. I don't know where the demand originated; just that the police were the ones sent down to inform me. Terry Reidy had told me of the bike lane coming very soon, and I had the word (with plenty of witnesses) of Mark Kinmon and Amir Berkovitz that my rentals would not have a problem on the boards. I even told them that the reason I needed to know was that I was looking to invest in an entire new fleet of bikes. So, on their word (obviously unofficial in AP), I spent $14,000.00 for that new fleet. Jim Bruno was the one
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: You are making some serious charges of corruption. I'm no Lawyer but you could be held liable, right Tommy? You should reread his post he said Bruno was intimadated. If you had done your homework it wasn't Bruno who demanded the enforcement of that ordinance. It was July, and I know it was intimidation in his own words; beleive it or not, underneath all of my rhetoric, I know what I'm talking about. But if it was football players that intimidated him, why did he immediately go after bicycles, gioing so far as to implement 24 hr emergency enforcement. It makes even less sense now, unless he's trying to deny implementing said rules. Furthermore, if your still in denial, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly, I don't need to spend all my time and energy in a frivolous attempt at proving corruption against the city. It's obvious to anyone willing to open their eyes. That's for you guys whose hearts are still here. I am on this and other forums to warn others about the false reporting in media about this place, and offer some of the truth about what it really is to live here. Yes, I still live here, and know what goes on daily. Bravo on being bruno's freind, must not be easy from what I've seen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i did what you suggested i called him and asked him, he said it was a an august night, a majority of the lights on the bdwalk were out, and 8 to 10 kids were playing football on the bdwalk, almost knocking over an enderly man in a wheel chair, not bruno, and he indeed did use the word intimidated, to that issue not bikes... again as far as corruption to say you reported it to the city, but they do not care, did you ever hear of the words county prosecutor, or better yet CHRISTIE? I have reported it (corruption), only it's to the city. They are obviously not interested in what I have to say. If someone wanted to collect my info in a forum where it would be properly addressed and processed, I'd offer it up; but I haven't found anyone yet interested in the truth. I can prove what I say, but it's not the bombshell type of corruption, like someone lining their pockets with taxpayers money kind of stuff; just how people use their public positions to selectively enforce laws,and intimidate merchants/citizens. Is there pockets being lined in the process? Almost certainly. But, everything in Asbury is hearsay, isn't it? That's the problem. Furthermore, we can respectfully agree to disagree. I know that I saw Jim Keady on at least two occasions on BB boards on his bike, while their ordinance was in effect. Also, from the time I arrived to set up my business in march of '05, I spent more time on that boardwalk than ANYONE for over the next year; and I mean every day. So what I report about councilmen is just what I experienced in that time frame. Although Keady was up there for more than the just the news stories. And on at least two occasions Brunbo was too; one of these was the intimidation episode. And when I call it intimidation, I'm using his own words, ask him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i have no reason, not to believe some of your posts,im sorry what happened to you did and wish you luck,however i disagree with several of your statements, knowing j. bruno for many years i have never known him to be intiminated, by anything let alone kids on bikes, i also disagree with your statement that he is only on the bd walk for photops, that is totally untrue. i also dont believe councilman keady would knowingly break the law as you stated. i also believe that if you know of corruption going on in this city , you said it you are wrong not to report it. I am the pedaler. Realize first, that I have no reason to lie on my web page. I put down the facts the way that I see them. I came here with the very best of intentions of starting and keeping my business here. I don't know where the demand originated; just that the police were the ones sent down to inform me. Terry Reidy had told me of the bike lane coming very soon, and I had the word (with plenty of witnesses) of Mark Kinmon and Amir Berkovitz
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's apples and oranges. I won't be the first to talk about it. No corruption here, right? Makes you wonder why seized info from the BOE. nuff said --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: You are making some serious charges of corruption. I'm no Lawyer but you could be held liable, right Tommy? You should reread his post he said Bruno was intimadated. If you had done your homework it wasn't Bruno who demanded the enforcement of that ordinance. It was July, and I know it was intimidation in his own words; beleive it or not, underneath all of my rhetoric, I know what I'm talking about. But if it was football players that intimidated him, why did he immediately go after bicycles, gioing so far as to implement 24 hr emergency enforcement. It makes even less sense now, unless he's trying to deny implementing said rules. Furthermore, if your still in denial, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly, I don't need to spend all my time and energy in a frivolous attempt at proving corruption against the city. It's obvious to anyone willing to open their eyes. That's for you guys whose hearts are still here. I am on this and other forums to warn others about the false reporting in media about this place, and offer some of the truth about what it really is to live here. Yes, I still live here, and know what goes on daily. Bravo on being bruno's freind, must not be easy from what I've seen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i did what you suggested i called him and asked him, he said it was a an august night, a majority of the lights on the bdwalk were out, and 8 to 10 kids were playing football on the bdwalk, almost knocking over an enderly man in a wheel chair, not bruno, and he indeed did use the word intimidated, to that issue not bikes... again as far as corruption to say you reported it to the city, but they do not care, did you ever hear of the words county prosecutor, or better yet CHRISTIE? I have reported it (corruption), only it's to the city. They are obviously not interested in what I have to say. If someone wanted to collect my info in a forum where it would be properly addressed and processed, I'd offer it up; but I haven't found anyone yet interested in the truth. I can prove what I say, but it's not the bombshell type of corruption, like someone lining their pockets with taxpayers money kind of stuff; just how people use their public positions to selectively enforce laws,and intimidate merchants/citizens. Is there pockets being lined in the process? Almost certainly. But, everything in Asbury is hearsay, isn't it? That's the problem. Furthermore, we can respectfully agree to disagree. I know that I saw Jim Keady on at least two occasions on BB boards on his bike, while their ordinance was in effect. Also, from the time I arrived to set up my business in march of '05, I spent more time on that boardwalk than ANYONE for over the next year; and I mean every day. So what I report about councilmen is just what I experienced in that time frame. Although Keady was up there for more than the just the news stories. And on at least two occasions Brunbo was too; one of these was the intimidation episode. And when I call it intimidation, I'm using his own words, ask him. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i have no reason, not to believe some of your posts,im sorry what happened to you did and wish you luck,however i disagree with several of your statements, knowing j. bruno for many years i have never known him to be intiminated, by anything let alone kids on bikes, i also disagree with your statement that he is only on the bd walk for photops, that is totally untrue. i also dont believe councilman keady would knowingly break the law as you stated. i also believe that if you know
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm done with you Bikeboy. Of course it is fred. I'm bored with you; don't talke it personally if I don't respond to you any more. I don't know why you're so threatened by me with all my invalid points. I don't blame you or anyone else who denounces me for protecting your investments here. You want them to pan out, that's understandable. I would have liked to see mine pan out to. You should really drop the corruption thing, Tell him, Tommy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: That's apples and oranges. I won't be the first to talk about it. No corruption here, right? Makes you wonder why seized info from the BOE. nuff said --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: You are making some serious charges of corruption. I'm no Lawyer but you could be held liable, right Tommy? You should reread his post he said Bruno was intimadated. If you had done your homework it wasn't Bruno who demanded the enforcement of that ordinance. It was July, and I know it was intimidation in his own words; beleive it or not, underneath all of my rhetoric, I know what I'm talking about. But if it was football players that intimidated him, why did he immediately go after bicycles, gioing so far as to implement 24 hr emergency enforcement. It makes even less sense now, unless he's trying to deny implementing said rules. Furthermore, if your still in denial, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly, I don't need to spend all my time and energy in a frivolous attempt at proving corruption against the city. It's obvious to anyone willing to open their eyes. That's for you guys whose hearts are still here. I am on this and other forums to warn others about the false reporting in media about this place, and offer some of the truth about what it really is to live here. Yes, I still live here, and know what goes on daily. Bravo on being bruno's freind, must not be easy from what I've seen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i did what you suggested i called him and asked him, he said it was a an august night, a majority of the lights on the bdwalk were out, and 8 to 10 kids were playing football on the bdwalk, almost knocking over an enderly man in a wheel chair, not bruno, and he indeed did use the word intimidated, to that issue not bikes... again as far as corruption to say you reported it to the city, but they do not care, did you ever hear of the words county prosecutor, or better yet CHRISTIE? I have reported it (corruption), only it's to the city. They are obviously not interested in what I have to say. If someone wanted to collect my info in a forum where it would be properly addressed and processed, I'd offer it up; but I haven't found anyone yet interested in the truth. I can prove what I say, but it's not the bombshell type of corruption, like someone lining their pockets with taxpayers money kind of stuff; just how people use their public positions to selectively enforce laws,and intimidate merchants/citizens. Is there pockets being lined in the process? Almost certainly. But, everything in Asbury is hearsay, isn't it? That's the problem. Furthermore, we can respectfully agree to disagree. I know that I saw Jim Keady on at least two occasions on BB boards on his bike, while their ordinance was in effect. Also, from the time I arrived to set up my business in march of '05, I spent more time on that boardwalk than ANYONE for over the next year; and I mean every day. So what I report about councilmen is just what I experienced in that time frame. Although Keady was up there for more than the just the news stories. And on at least
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think when you lost your investment you lost your mind too. Didn't say let's end this? So I did and you say this shit. I can go on and on with you but this group don't need to hear it. They don't care. You are old news. You are the one going web site to web site bad mouthing everyone. I now hope the city does have a bike lane and ban any rental bikes from Allenhurst. Don't be jealous, those of you who've been wishing for some time that Fred would be done with you. I got the record, only a couple of hours! All you need to do is make valid points to overload his/her feeble mind. Do you think it is a coincidence that the endless windbag decided to stop arguing with me now, or was he advised to by his constituents over that can of worms? HMMM? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Well this deteriorated pretty quickly... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: I'm done with you Bikeboy. Of course it is fred. I'm bored with you; don't talke it personally if I don't respond to you any more. I don't know why you're so threatened by me with all my invalid points. I don't blame you or anyone else who denounces me for protecting your investments here. You want them to pan out, that's understandable. I would have liked to see mine pan out to. You should really drop the corruption thing, Tell him, Tommy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: That's apples and oranges. I won't be the first to talk about it. No corruption here, right? Makes you wonder why seized info from the BOE. nuff said --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: You are making some serious charges of corruption. I'm no Lawyer but you could be held liable, right Tommy? You should reread his post he said Bruno was intimadated. If you had done your homework it wasn't Bruno who demanded the enforcement of that ordinance. It was July, and I know it was intimidation in his own words; beleive it or not, underneath all of my rhetoric, I know what I'm talking about. But if it was football players that intimidated him, why did he immediately go after bicycles, gioing so far as to implement 24 hr emergency enforcement. It makes even less sense now, unless he's trying to deny implementing said rules. Furthermore, if your still in denial, I don't know what to tell you. Honestly, I don't need to spend all my time and energy in a frivolous attempt at proving corruption against the city. It's obvious to anyone willing to open their eyes. That's for you guys whose hearts are still here. I am on this and other forums to warn others about the false reporting in media about this place, and offer some of the truth about what it really is to live here. Yes, I still live here, and know what goes on daily. Bravo on being bruno's freind, must not be easy from what I've seen. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler robert@ wrote: i did what you suggested i called him and asked him, he said it was a an august night, a majority of the lights on the bdwalk were out, and 8 to 10 kids were playing football on the bdwalk, almost knocking over an enderly man in a wheel chair, not bruno, and he indeed did use the word intimidated, to that issue not bikes... again as far as corruption to say you reported it to the city, but they do not care, did you ever hear of the words county prosecutor, or better yet CHRISTIE? I have
[AsburyPark] Tommy, why didn't you think of this?
Dismantle the district Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/25/07 There seems to be no end to the depressing stories coming out of the Asbury Park School District. In the past two weeks alone, there have been allegations of padded enrollment figures and bid rigging, a vote of no confidence in the high school administration by the teachers and a document raid on the Board of Education offices by investigators sent by the U.S. Attorney. Add to that the stubbornly low test scores despite the highest per- pupil costs of any K-12 district in New Jersey and a student-to-staff ratio of more than 5 to 1 at the high school. The violence in and around the schools. The on-again, off-again sniping on the school board. The disastrous lack of leadership at the middle school and the chaos in the halls and classrooms there and in the high school. The superintendent the board tried to fire, was forced by the state to hire back, then tried to oust again, suspending him instead with pay at the insistence of the Department of Education. There have been some glimmers of hope over the past several years, but they have proved fleeting. For the most part, the school system has been a disaster. It is broken. Stronger leadership might help. But finding it and keeping it has been a persistent challenge. A state takeover isn't the answer either, as experience in other districts has shown. Given the hurdles the district faces, dismantling it and starting over offers the best chance of providing the city's students with a quality education. It's time for a new approach to educating children in Asbury Park one that involves creating a desegregated regional district that includes Asbury Park, Monmouth Regional, Ocean Township and Manasquan. Asbury Park High School should be turned into a county magnet school for the arts. The middle school should be converted into a trade school under the jurisdiction of the Monmouth County Vocational School District. At least two of the elementary schools should be left open, but operated by the regional district and desegregated. And Asbury Park students should be sent in proportionate numbers to other schools in the newly created regional district along with increased per-pupil aid. At the same time, steps should be taken to separate those students who are not interested in learning, or who prove disruptive to the learning environment, from those seeking a good education. That will likely require expansion of the county's alternative high school, or the creation of a branch of the high school at a central location in the newly formed regional district. The state must ensure the regional district creates an environment in every school that is conducive to learning. State officials can't allow the Asbury Park schools to continue to fail the children they are responsible for educating. They can't continue to waste taxpayers' money by pumping millions of dollars in state aid into dysfunctional schools. A new, regional model is needed. They can't keep doing what they've been doing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Last Night's Zoning Board Hearing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Property Values down, crime will go up, panhandling will go up,the citys social workers will have more work plus are the kids going to be safe? Then there is the issue if gays will be seperated from the rest. Homeless shelter may not have a home in Asbury Park Area residents are in a struggle with organization's mission Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/25/07 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU ASBURY PARK A gospel rescue mission seeking to operate a 40-bed homeless shelter in the city has been ordered by the state to stop providing alcohol- and drug-addiction services at its longtime shelter in Morristown because it is not licensed to do so, a lawyer said last week. Ron Gasiorowski, the lawyer for Asbury Park residents fighting Market Street Mission's plans for a shelter on Memorial Drive, read a cease- and-desist letter from the state Department of Human Services at a city zoning board meeting Thursday night. Do you think you're above the law? Gasiorowski asked David Scott, the executive director of Market Street Mission. No, Scott answered, but at the same time made it clear that he does not believe his shelter needs to be licensed. He said it is a church- state issue. Scott blamed Gasiorowski for bringing the state down on him in the first place. The letter was dated Feb. 22, the day of the hearing. Scott told city zoners he would cooperate to the extent that state officials would see that the licensing does not apply to his mission work. City zoners initially turned down the application for what is to be called the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission in 2005, but Market Street appealed and Superior Court Judge Alexander Lehrer found that such a shelter for 40 men, along with its programs, had an inherently beneficial use for Asbury Park. The case was remanded to the city zoning board, whose members in March 2006 approved the shelter with certain conditions. Last summer, residents who live near the red brick building on Memorial Drive between Sewall and Asbury avenues built a strong opposition group that filed a lawsuit appealing the zoning approval. The City Council joined those residents with a friend-of-the-court brief. Lehrer remanded the case once again for the zoning board to hear limited aspects pertaining to Scott testifying that the mission has a beneficial use, and in particular, that his shelter has been a blessing for Morristown. Zoners who will meet on the case at 7 p.m. March 20 can uphold their approval, make certain changes, or deny the applicant, before the case goes back to Lehrer. Scott, in the meantime, obtained a temporary certificate of occupancy from Asbury Park and opened the new shelter in January. But in another twist, the fire department closed the shelter last week because there was no sprinkler system on the second floor where the 40 beds for the homeless men are located. Gasiorowski's new information about the state determining the longtime Market Street Mission now needing to be licensed for its alcohol- and drug-addiction work raises new questions about the regulation of faith-based groups that almost certainly will continue to be heard in the Asbury case. Feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, counseling the addicted, was how Market Street's attorney Brendan Judge described the group's mission to the city zoners. The mission will provide a place to sleep for 37 men, 10 of whom are in a long-term program with the shelter. Twenty-seven men can sleep there each night, but for no more than 10 nights in a row. Three of the beds are for staff members. Each morning, the 27 men not in the mission's program will be released to the city streets, where Scott said they'll be encouraged to seek other services to help them with such issues as jobs and health matters. Scott has strong support from some local religious leaders, evangelical groups, and perennial fighters for the homeless. We're going to try to help people regardless of problems in their lives, Scott said during the hearing. But he is strongly opposed by residents who do not believe the mission is regulated properly and will bring many more homeless, unemployed people to a city that had been the longtime dumping ground for the poor, until overtaxed residents started saying no. Specifically, Stand Up For Asbury group members say they are concerned that the mission does not properly screen its applicants to keep sex offenders and criminals out. Another point of contention is that Asbury is a city that the gay community stepped forward to help revive but the mission, according to Scott, believes gays and lesbians require treatment for a sexual addiction. For his part, Gasiorowski made it clear he is pursuing the state's cease-and-desist order in court, and that he believes any agency that is providing primary substance abuse services must be licensed
[AsburyPark] Re: 1983
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Werner. Fred, could you do us a favor and put your content in the right place when including other peoples posts. Your comments are appearing to come from other group members due to the way you compose your messages. Werner For Example: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: That's so The Fat Man could fill his pockets. A few years ago, realizing that drastic steps were needed if the city was to survive, officials decided to sell the entire boardwalk to private developers, who, it was hoped, would invest money and bring back the crowds. But according to Mr. Addeo, the proposed sale was held up by court challenges and in- fighting among developers. Rather than appeal the actions, the city decided to undertake the redevelopment itself. ''The advantage of doing it this way,'' he said, ''is that we control our own destiny.'' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: search warrants executed at BOE office
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wht what do you know. Please tell us.why stop at the BOE? Save gas and make a couple other stops in town. Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: WORTH THE WAIT
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like he found it. *~ROLEOVER NEEDS TO GROWUP GET A LIFE HE IS LOOKING FOR ATTENTION~* ~James Grabe~ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover rolemover@ wrote: like i said genious, EDDIE MURPHY IS BACK MAN... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Roley thinks he gets under people's skin with his personal attacks but I think most everyone here just sort of feels sorry for him. When he attacks me or the magazine, I know its not worth my time to respond. He's not our target audience at all. We're looking for people who know how to read. If Roley knew how to read, the oceanfront probably would have been redeveloped by now... On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:51 PM, 2fine4u wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover rolemover@ wrote: Gary, you sound dumber and dumber as the years go by..EDDIE MURPHY IS BACK MAN...what a waste of time you are... Gary, in defense of you, what in the world did this statement, mean? Rolemover is the resident SMART person, huh? Loved your response! No, it shouldn't take 20 years for a 3-year, job! Boy, they sure don't build them like the Empire State Building, anymore! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shots fired at house in Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same house that got shot up last year. Same guy who got shot last week lives there. Shots fired at house in Asbury Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/23/07 BY MICHELLE SAHN COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU ASBURY PARK Police are trying to determine who fired gunshots at a house on the 1300 block of Bangs Avenue. Police received a call around 12:15 a.m. Sunday about shots being fire, said Deputy Police Chief Mark Kinmon. He said police confirmed the house was struck by bullets. No one was injured, and the incident is being investigated by the city police department and the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Pattern - closingings at N. Beach
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the market like it is would you continue to build more units? I would slow it up abit. It's time for the BW to start getting together. It starts tonight. I hear Madison Marquettt is giving a presentation tonight. If true that means the deal has been signed. -how do they close and issue a co when the building is not done or still appears to be under construction? When is Phase II of Wesley to begin? I could think of a couple games (arcade) type that tose pilings could be used for: - giant version of whack a mole - try to get something to land on a piling - whack the piling into the ground Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Pattern - closingings at N. Beach
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting. =noticed last night that many units in Wesley don't even have sheetrock on the walls... The city should force Wesley grove to clean up the phase 2 site if no construction is going to happen this summer - like landscape around it and fix up the fences etc. They should make the Phase II section a bit more affordable - like in the $230- 280k price range. Then you just might fill up that block. Let them add an extra floor. Some great articles out there about cities SELLING major assets - like Midaway airport in Chicago, Stewart Aiport in NY etc. Major parking garages etc. The purpose of the city os to monetize their assets (like building malls in airports or parking garages). Major brokerage houses have teams to evaluate these assets and can EFFECTIVELY market them - to the seller's requirements. S - 1) City Hall - SELL the site to be rebuilt with offices, parking and retail 2) Sell the boardwalk, green acres spots and Bradley Park (werener - don't loose it I have a reason) With each sale, there are stipulations what has to be reinvested in the city for transfer of title. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6pm With the market like it is would you continue to build more units? I would slow it up abit. It's time for the BW to start getting together. It starts tonight. I hear Madison Marquettt is giving a presentation tonight. If true that means the deal has been signed. i think something may have been signed, of close to. this may be looking too hard into things, but yesterday i noticed a chain link fenced being installed around the enterainment area near the proposed hotel, and whatever else sights. i dont see any point in it, unless MM is on board. then it might make sence, that theyd want their area chained off. where did you read about the proposal for tonights meeting?? is it true? anyone know for sure?? let me know before, 6 30? 7? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sell the high school
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: LB and Neptune overbuilt theirt High Schools the State should order them to take our kids. We then can open a High Tech High School or sell the High School build Condos around the Lake then give that money right back to the taxpayers of AP. 110 teachers admin 500 students 50% pass Sell the entire school system to a private company. End abbott funding. All abbott schools schold be sold off. Savings - BILLIONs. Now this has potential - 'Asbury Park Technology High School' Sell off the smaller schools, or better yet make each site into commumity recreation facilities. They are REALLY needed. Privatize the HS and bring back the vocational shop classes, electronics, automotive, building trades, etc. There's already a culinary school there. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear it's signed, Dan. They could make the June deadline if they work double shifts. If they can build the Empire State building in a year they can build this out in 3 months. That's what I hear can be done from some really smart people in this group.. 6 pm at work session. Agenda is being worked on at this very moment - not available. Sounds like the city wants a low turnout for MM. Putting them in the work session where the public can't say anything. Don't seem right to me. Well, we'll see if the deal's been signed. Smart money says no. Partners has no possibility of meeting dispute resolution timeframe (June 2007). Maybe looking for extension. I say we keep $1.6 million in escrow as penalty then give the extension in a new DRA contingent upon MM signing the deal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: My source says it was on the agenda on Friday, you should call your source again. I thought I would see the agenda posted here. Maybe somebody else doesn't(guess) want a crowd because it's GOOG NEWS. I hear it's signed, Dan. They could make the June deadline if they work double shifts. If they can build the Empire State building in a year they can build this out in 3 months. That's what I hear can be done from some really smart people in this group.. 6 pm at work session. Agenda is being worked on at this very moment - not available. Sounds like the city wants a low turnout for MM. Putting them in the work session where the public can't say anything. Don't seem right to me. Well, we'll see if the deal's been signed. Smart money says no. Partners has no possibility of meeting dispute resolution timeframe (June 2007). Maybe looking for extension. I say we keep $1.6 million in escrow as penalty then give the extension in a new DRA contingent upon MM signing the deal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: I have a few people who I talk to. He's not the only one who knows what's going on in this city My source says it was on the agenda on Friday, you should call your source again. My sources were the City Clerk's office and the City Manager's office. The former did not have the work session agenda and Steve Kay was in a meeting. So I was transferred to Reidy's office and asked for the work session agenda and if MM was on it. That was shortly before noon. After holding for a while I was told that they were in a meeting right then and working on the agenda and could I call back in an hour. How could I get more official sources than that Freddie? Sounds a little like the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing, or one doesn't want the other to know. Nothing like advance notice huh? So I put my ear to the ground to try to hear what the street is saying from the source. The street tells me MM is going to be there at 6 pm. Why are you Bruno's favored conduit? He has a public obligation to us all. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: Maybe everyone is sick of hearing about it, now they want to see it. I have a few people who I talk to. He's not the only one who knows what's going on in this city Well I guess it was simply deemed not to be public information this week. How nice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: I'm saying maybe the city is tired of crying wolf. Maybe everyone is sick of hearing about it, now they want to see it. As usual you miss the picture. If people want to see it then perhaps they should be notified that it will be shown. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 1983
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's so The Fat Man could fill his pockets. A few years ago, realizing that drastic steps were needed if the city was to survive, officials decided to sell the entire boardwalk to private developers, who, it was hoped, would invest money and bring back the crowds. But according to Mr. Addeo, the proposed sale was held up by court challenges and in- fighting among developers. Rather than appeal the actions, the city decided to undertake the redevelopment itself. ''The advantage of doing it this way,'' he said, ''is that we control our own destiny.'' Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups - Join or create groups, clubs, forums amp; communities. is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Pattern
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: - Eventually, even the most optimistic wake-up to the realities - Was his name Werner?? some sooner, some later And so, the pattern repeats. Werner Reminds me of consulting at ATT. - LOL - I spent about 15 years combined, 10 at the Holmdel Labs and then 5 at Middletown. At least most of the peer group was extremely talented and respected each individuals niche of expertise. But sure enough, there was always someone that held on to false conclusions to the bitter end. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Pay back time.
3 shootings in one week all within 3blocks. Are they related? Police probe Asbury shooting Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/20/07 ASBURY PARK Police are searching for the gunmen who fired at a 20- year-old Neptune man early this morning on Bangs Avenue. The victim - whose name was not released - was shot at approximately five times, police said. One bullet struck his left hand, and one grazed his left hip, said Lt. Dave Kelso. Police are investigating whether the shooting was gang-related, he said. Around 12:30 a.m. this morning, the victim walked out of a home on the 1400 block of Bangs Avenue and was confronted by a group of approximately five males - two stood on the sidewalk and at least three more were on the street, Kelso said. All wore dark sweatshirts, with the hoods over their heads, possibly to conceal their identities, police said. The victim believes two of the males fired at him. After he was struck, the group ran away, heading east on Bangs Avenue, said Kelso. The victim was treated and released at Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune. Police ask that anyone with information call Asbury Park Police Detective Jason LaRusso at (732) 502-5770 or the department's tip line at (800) 799-8280, or Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office Detective Dan Baldwin at (800) 533-7443. Michelle Sahn Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Allan: Here are the facts on the Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, James Keady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try again. I wonder who made the demand. I think the city holds more responsibility in this. Partners brought a business to the boardwalk. If the city demamded him to close that is not the responsibility of partners. The counsilman should not be annoyed that there is a bike shop on the boradwalk but the real question is why is there so little pollice / security on the boardwalk. I do not know what partners has to provide but the city should have police in addition. I see it as the city driving away a business. 1.Your post above is saying that the City asked for the Asbury Peddler to be closed. THAT IS FALSE. 2.Your post above is saying that the City should have more security/police on the boardwalk. I would invite you to visit Mr. Kay in the Clerk's Office and ask him for the tapes of the meetings where the bicycle lanes on the boardwalk were discussed. This is what you will hear: I, Councilman Jim Keady, pushed for the creation of a designated bicycle lane on the boardwalk that would be available for visitors 24/7. I could not garner support for this with the majority. I made the argument that having a bicycle lane available could be something we could market to visitors. I said, We could let people know that AP is the ONLY boardwalk in Monmouth County where you can ride your bike in a safe and regulated way all day and night. I also made the argument that a bicycle lane would compliment the bike shop (Asbury Peddler) on the boardwalk. Again, I could not get the support of my colleagues to create the bicycle lane. 3.Given that I could not get the full-time bike lane, I requested that we extend the hours that were in the existing ordinance and allow people to ride on the boardwalk until 12pm. My colleagues supported this and it passed. 4.I also requested that regardless of what the policy was - a bike lane, riding until 12pm, etc. that we have STRICT enforcement of the ordinance. We could not continue to have an anything goes approach to bikes on the boardwalk. I noted that on two occasions while I was running on the boardwalk, I was almost mowed down by bicyclists (FYI, they were middle-aged white male riders). Given that I am a former pro athlete and still in pretty good shape, I was able to dodge these guys. My concern was that some little old lady might not be as lucky, thus my push to have strict enforcement of whatever ordinance was on the books. 5.To review, Councilman Jim Keady wanted a designated bike-lane, Councilman Jim Keady pushed and was able to get and increase in riding hours until 12pm, and Councilman Jim Keady asked for strict enforcement of our ordinance. Again, if you question these facts, I would encourage you to go listen to the tapes of the meeting or you could simply ask Deputy Mayor Bruno (aka Fred/Asburydogma) he usually has a fairly good memory on this stuff. Now that we are done with the facts, I will offer my opinion. I strongly believe that the lack of vision on this matter on the part of my colleagues (i.e. their not supporting my push for a full-time bike lane) is what cost us a very successful business on the boardwalk. I hope this finds everyone well. Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Allan: Here are the facts on the Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because it comes from his mouth doesn't mean it's a fact. You should really get confirmation when it comes to Jim. Alot of half truths. Because everybody is wrong and HE is the only one who can do it rightt. Jim, thanks for clearing up both your position and the history on this issue. Almost regardless of the issue it seems that all too often your position is presented by a great many people on this board, often with a clear agenda and apparently either without the facts or with a clear intent to distort the facts. It is both unfair and dishonest. I think the recommendation you made per your note below is fair, marketable and right and would love to know why the rest of the board did not see fit to support the dedicated bike lane proposal. Fred/dogma/Jim Bruno? Any insights on this? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, James Keady james.keady@ wrote: I wonder who made the demand. I think the city holds more responsibility in this. Partners brought a business to the boardwalk. If the city demamded him to close that is not the responsibility of partners. The counsilman should not be annoyed that there is a bike shop on the boradwalk but the real question is why is there so little pollice / security on the boardwalk. I do not know what partners has to provide but the city should have police in addition. I see it as the city driving away a business. 1. Your post above is saying that the City asked for the Asbury Peddler to be closed. THAT IS FALSE. 2. Your post above is saying that the City should have more security/police on the boardwalk. I would invite you to visit Mr. Kay in the Clerk's Office and ask him for the tapes of the meetings where the bicycle lanes on the boardwalk were discussed. This is what you will hear: I, Councilman Jim Keady, pushed for the creation of a designated bicycle lane on the boardwalk that would be available for visitors 24/7. I could not garner support for this with the majority. I made the argument that having a bicycle lane available could be something we could market to visitors. I said, We could let people know that AP is the ONLY boardwalk in Monmouth County where you can ride your bike in a safe and regulated way all day and night. I also made the argument that a bicycle lane would compliment the bike shop (Asbury Peddler) on the boardwalk. Again, I could not get the support of my colleagues to create the bicycle lane. 3. Given that I could not get the full-time bike lane, I requested that we extend the hours that were in the existing ordinance and allow people to ride on the boardwalk until 12pm. My colleagues supported this and it passed. 4. I also requested that regardless of what the policy was - a bike lane, riding until 12pm, etc. that we have STRICT enforcement of the ordinance. We could not continue to have an anything goes approach to bikes on the boardwalk. I noted that on two occasions while I was running on the boardwalk, I was almost mowed down by bicyclists (FYI, they were middle-aged white male riders). Given that I am a former pro athlete and still in pretty good shape, I was able to dodge these guys. My concern was that some little old lady might not be as lucky, thus my push to have strict enforcement of whatever ordinance was on the books. 5. To review, Councilman Jim Keady wanted a designated bike- lane, Councilman Jim Keady pushed and was able to get and increase in riding hours until 12pm, and Councilman Jim Keady asked for strict enforcement of our ordinance. Again, if you question these facts, I would encourage you to go listen to the tapes of the meeting or you could simply ask Deputy Mayor Bruno (aka Fred/Asburydogma) he usually has a fairly good memory on this stuff. Now that we are done with the facts, I will offer my opinion. I strongly believe that the lack of vision on this matter on the part of my colleagues (i.e. their not supporting my push for a full-time bike lane) is what cost us a very successful business on the boardwalk. I hope this finds everyone well. Peace, JWK Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: james.keady@ www.cityofasburypark.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe
[AsburyPark] Re: Allan: Here are the facts on the Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JW demanded enforcement of the ordinance that's a fact. He did push for a bike lane. The Council said no. I think because of liability. Tom, here's some text from yesterday, and there were a couple of others after it that made these type of unnamed but CLEARLY obvious references... Anyone who couldn't figure out who was being referenced must be completely new to this board. See below. Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: You are right there was one Councilman who demanded that the bike ordinance be enforce. He shook things up alright. One learns quickly that when merchants are constantly endangered and harassed by the community they serve, that's just the way it is (sort of a: what did you expect, it's Asbury? attitude); but shake up a council member, and now we have a problem! It should be noted that the climate for this gang to exude it's mayhem was set by the fact that the lights on the boardwalk were out for several blocks; not to mention that the constant battle between the partners and the city certainly played a hand in the lack of (city provided) security on the boardwalk (controlled by the partners; with their own ongoing lack of proper security). I don't know if it's the city's or the partners' responsibility to light the boardwalk, but I lost my life savings as a result of their failure to do so for a few hours. As a pioneering merchant, caught in the middle of their differences, one's safety and business potential are seriously compromised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Allan: Here are the facts on the Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I think he was referring to my post. Then I answered it was JK who demanded enforement of the ordinance. Which JK admitted too. Just because it comes from his mouth doesn't mean it's a fact. You should really get confirmation when it comes to Jim. Alot of half truths. Because everybody is wrong and HE is the only one who can do it rightt. When it comes from yours it usually is wrong. Allan wanted to know what councilperson was referenced in the Pedaler and you said JK asked for the ordinance to be enforced. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Board of Ed
Sharon you say you are going to support the Board. That's the problem , this Board looks looks like it's pretty much split. Then who do we back. The majority? But that can change vote to vote. Maybe the best thing to do is wait until after the election. We will learn who the voters want to back. A clear cut majority and direction could emerge. I agree with all of the posts placed here, so far. I only know a few of the posters, here, by name. I will help all concerned, do ANYthing, as long, as it's legal! I will be in attendance, at the next one, if nothing, but to lend support. People are more confident, when they see their friends, backing them up. I'm going to put my mouth, where my intentions, are! Money, too, if need be. If I'm needed to circulate petitions, fliers or anything that will set a fire, to the residents, you can count on me! Cold or no cold, rain, snow, whatever; when I get involved, I put my body, into it! I am sending Frank information, on how I can be reached, etc., so that he knows, someone is going to help. Can I count on the rest of you to support our board in this effort? I'm parking my attitude, personality and anything else, that would hinder this push, that we need. We have power and we should use it, collectively and continuously, to help out in any way we can! I'm going to support the board, 110%, because if the will of the people and WE are, the people, it will be a rallying force. I am vowing to be there, if I have to use my cane, to walk with. You'll see why. My mind, is alert, but my body, may not be willing. It's the curse, of aging! I know my heart, is in the right place. I can donate paper for fliers, but my printer is limited. If anyone wants to email me off group, please feel free to so do. Sharon --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: I couldn't agree with you more with the fact that we do not need a total state takeover. That would be counterproductive. You see the mess they cause in the other districts. It's a joke. Remember who was overseeing and making recommendations as well as signing off on all documents out of the Asbury Park School District.. The state. Nothing went through the Superintendent without them signing off, namely the head of the Abbott division in Trenton, who I might add, just resigned his post. The thing that amazes me, I mean this with all due respect, is the fact that this site primarily worries about everything but the school district. Do you realize that this is the single biggest employer in the city with the largest budget, which is about three times the size of the entire City of Asbury Park's budget? This is almost $100 million. Why aren't more residents demanding answers to the hard questions. Like what about the shredded documents? How can the Assistant Superintendent command her secretary to shred three gigantic garbage bags of official documents, and still be there to give more orders? What about Lewis' suspension? What about the budget mess and 23 recommendations from the auditor. I had no idea! Middletown also has a suspended Superintendent. The residents up there keep questioning and pressuring. That's what needs to happen here. As for the ballsy move, maybe someone needs to make the threat. You still have a high school that is completely out of hand to contend with. You got that, right! Every year, I purchase Need a Lift Books, that have all of the scholarships, grants and information, known and I bring them to the guidance office. I told this to an old friend, who happens to teach in the high school. She had no knowledge of them. I was told to give them to her directly from now on! They cost $5.00 each and I always give APHS, 4 of them and they can be photo- copied! The last candidate, that my group, sent to Girls' State, at Georgian Court, was from the Asbury Park High School, one of the top 10 in her class, (2006). They need a strong leader in the school, which they don't have right now. If they get a good replacement, it could work. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apeaexec1 apeaexec1@ wrote: first let me commend any volunteer for serving on any bd. with no pay no bendits, too many problems and very little help from the people above you, in this case the state of n.j. since the 80s to the present every state supt. has made a photo op., repeated how they are going to help, yet we continue to be slipping backwards. while the bd. cannot put items on the agenda they can make motions directing the administrators and professionals to look into situations or problems and report back to the bd. i am happy this has started. Which is why I'll be there, to stem the abuse! while it
[AsburyPark] Re: Code
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: The Owners daytime business is DIRETLY across the street from the Apts. Send message to landlords Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/19/07 Post Comment The occupants of a house in Asbury Park were fortunate no one was injured when a fire broke out there recently next to the city's firehouse. Their good fortune and that of the landlord's is Sur the landlord is repsonsible for checking his places out. What happens many times - the landlord rents a place out to 1 or 2 people, and it is the TENANT who then rents out spaces in the apartment or house. And it's NOT the actual landlord (owner) who profits. It's one smarter hombre. They also need to change the laws to help the landlords EVICT those that don't belong. Leases have to specific and ENFORCEABLE. This is a TENANT state. you can go into almost ANY apartment complex around here and EASILY see overcrowding. Many schools also verify as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Once is not enought
I heard that one of the kids who got shot in the back last week got shot again yesterday in the leg. He doesn't know anything, get ready for a retaliation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right there was one Councilman who demanded that the bike ordinance be enforce. He shook things up alright. One learns quickly that when merchants are constantly endangered and harassed by the community they serve, that's just the way it is (sort of a: what did you expect, it's Asbury? attitude); but shake up a council member, and now we have a problem! It should be noted that the climate for this gang to exude it's mayhem was set by the fact that the lights on the boardwalk were out for several blocks; not to mention that the constant battle between the partners and the city certainly played a hand in the lack of (city provided) security on the boardwalk (controlled by the partners; with their own ongoing lack of proper security). I don't know if it's the city's or the partners' responsibility to light the boardwalk, but I lost my life savings as a result of their failure to do so for a few hours. As a pioneering merchant, caught in the middle of their differences, one's safety and business potential are seriously compromised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth Quoting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JCPL is responible for the lights. This year the entire waterfront is going to be lit up. Just like a parking lot. One learns quickly that when merchants are constantly endangered and harassed by the community they serve, that's just the way it is (sort of a: what did you expect, it's Asbury? attitude); but shake up a council member, and now we have a problem! It should be noted that the climate for this gang to exude it's mayhem was set by the fact that the lights on the boardwalk were out for several blocks; not to mention that the constant battle between the partners and the city certainly played a hand in the lack of (city provided) security on the boardwalk (controlled by the partners; with their own ongoing lack of proper security). I don't know if it's the city's or the partners' responsibility to light the boardwalk, but I lost my life savings as a result of their failure to do so for a few hours. As a pioneering merchant, caught in the middle of their differences, one's safety and business potential are seriously compromised. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Interesting read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it is parking. Parking is a little bit more important than a bike lane. And the one place you'd hope to have a bike lane, along the newly paved Ocean Ave. is now painted for parking and driving... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Interesting commentary on the asbury peddlar page website: http://www.asburyparkpedaler.com/wst_page2.php You have to read this. A real shame, but the real truth, or most of it at least about incompetence. I was excited as hell when this guy first opened. Even if bikes on the boards could not be allowed he might have had a chance if Ocean were paved and there were bikes lanes there. Why court a bike shop to the bw if you are going to ban bikes? Beyond the logistics, what is truthful in his story is the utter incompetence in running the bw. I won;t even use the word redevelop because that doesn't even belong in the same paragraph with our boardwalk. How much incompetence does it take Partners to show before people in this city demand a change? These guys are killing us and the majority on the council is letting them do it. The tragedy at the Deep was just the latest example of Partners' intent and incompetence. The standoff between the city and MM is the city's latest showing of its incompetence. We are being run into the ground by a bunch of amatuers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Board of Ed
them, for creating a losing situation? What can I do, outside of attending board meetings, that turn into shouting matches? I hate conflict, mostly because it doesn't solve, anything. Maybe it's my age, because all of the fight, seems to have blown out of me. I don't know, but if the board has an attorney, what does he/she say, for all of the legal fees, paid for their advice? What I'm asking is, what can I do or collectively, what can the concerned parents and friends of these kids, do? I know you don't have all the answers, (the legal ones); I had to chuckle, 'cause I know what I'd like to do! Does a firing squad, come to mind? Seriously, I just had to commend you, because I know how tough, it is. Still, praying. Sharon --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Hi Sharon, Fred, et al., Last night's BOE meeting was quite an event. We were supposed to start at 6:30 since Commisssioner Davy wanted to address the community and answer some questions. She kind of got lost, so we started when she arrived at about 6:45 or so. Lots of questions from the audience (they had been written in advance on index cards, but she also took a lot of questions directly, too). She had been scheduled for a half hour, but ended up speaking for two hours. Sorry to say, most of it was generalities, (in my opinion, which is not necessarily the board's), but her presence there for the 2nd time in a few months shows they are watching. She even promised to return to speak with a group of parents next time at a non-board meeting setting. Frankly, again in my opinion, nothing is going to change until certain people are fired, retired, indicted, or whatever. The meeting ended past 11:30, which is unusual for a BOE meeting. Robert (who conducted the meeting extremely well past a few icebergs) offered the motion--over administrative objections--that the board attorney investigate the falsification of student enrollment data so that an administrator might actually be held responsible and suffer the consequences. Glad to say, it passed unanimously. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I really think that the whole situation is coming to a head, and heads are what are needed to roll. The Commissioner's favorite word last night was accountability, but she, more than anyone else--again my opinion--is the person responsible for our being unable to sever the suspended Super. from his continuing paycheck. Among the speakers last night was the APEA president who announced that the staff at the high school had overwhelmingly voted no confidence in their administration. Having been a union person myself, I can tell you that such a move is one used extremely rarely, and indicates how desperate the situation must be. He indicated that the Middle School might well be next. A parent, very emotionally, and that was understandable, stated that she could not send her child to the Middle or High School because of what she perceived as a chaotic learning environment. Had the suspended Superintendent offered the board more than lip service three years ago, we'd be well on the way to solving at least the Middle School problem, since there wouldn't be a Middle School today, but a 4th K-8 elementary school there, but one of the charter variety with its own special rules and programs. But that's a missed opportunity that can never be retrieved. I do have to say, on a positive (!!) note, that Greg Brewington and I attended this morning's assembly at the Middle School about the contributions of African-Americans throughout our history. McDonald's every year sends a troupe of four very talented performers. The program was great, and the students in the packed cafetorium could not have been better behaved or more attentive. It was truly a great experience, especially after a rough night at a BOE meeting! Frank D'A. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: awards for best rehab of a house
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DOES Didn't you have code violations? - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:47:43 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: awards for best rehab of a house --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: What kind've violations does the house I mentioned have? Seems to me they've put a huge amount of work on that home, with lot's of craftsman working all the time on the project. They transformed an empty home into something really nice. Violations are: - Casement windows on third floor - Stockade fence exceeds height limit - Stockade fence between building and street - Picket fence exceeds height limit - Fences outside property boundaries Hinge, you seem to be implying that $$$ and quality gives one the right to violate the zoning codes. Certainly that's not what you mean, or is it? Maybe the zoning code is more of the problem. And if Asbury is going to start cracking down on people that are trying to do something good to their properties, shouldn't they first start addressing the people who don't take care of the properties they own? I hope you are not in the camp of any improvement is a good improvement . You seem to be confused about the roles of Zoning and Code Enforcement. Zoning regulates land use, mass, bulk, setbacks, architecture, density etc. Code enforcement deals with garbage, maintenance, over-crowding, health hazards, etc. Case in point, the horrendous bungalow near the corner of 1st and Kingsley. It's 4 homes west of Kingsley, and it's a horrible disgusting mess. Trash everywhere, cats everywhere. It's an eyesore, and worse, somebody lives in that mess. Why isn't something being done about that? Are you saying that Zoning should be suspended/not- enforced because some property has health and safety issues that are not being addressed? Werner __ __ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rescue Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I thoought once denied the CO is pulled then the MIssion sues., either way this ends up in court. Unless the Board votes yes then it's mute. Tommy, what happens if the Zoning Board votes no? Is their CO pulled and it's over or are we looking at appeals? Who do the losers appeal too? The council? The Judge? Rev Nunn? Father Keady? Who? Fred, You're hilarious, but seriously, if the Zoning Board, overturns their decision, the Mission, can still take it to the court, again. Each board, is autonomous, from the Council, which is why you have a Planning, Board of Adjustment, UEZ, etc., all made up, of appointed people, who will be honest and above board on these matters, at least, that's what you hope for. The City Council, cannot interfere with the School Board, because those officials are elected, just as they are. I believe AP, is run under the Faulkner Act and please don't ask me what it is. I can't remember, but someone will surely post it. If the Mission, is found to be of beneficial use, which it was, then if what some of you say is true, then we'll have to be vigilant, but for one group to be against another group, is really hypocritical and that's all I have to say. I'll quote the Coaster, by repeating that certain people, want preferential treatment for themselves, but not for others. That's not the words, that were used. I am PRO-Gay Rights, so no flames, please! operations, they are charity driven. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Board of Ed
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just think the Board has been duped by the Super. and his Admins. for the last decade. Smoke and mirrors, Frank saw through it. I think the biggest mistake the Board made was Lewis's contract being extended by 4 years but then 4 months later they go after him. Frank saw through it why didn't the rest of HIS friends on the Board believe him? Because they were duped and now I hear the Acting Super. is doing thhe same. Frank, I hope for you and the board that the state, treat the board in a democratic fashion. I am praying that out of all this, some good comes to this woebegone City. It is so sad, to see the schools in such a state. Abbott Funds, either being mishandled, misused, etc. Someone said, that the Abbott Districts, are nothing more than cash cows, being gutted and misused. I know, some think the board is filled with miscreants, bent on their own agenda, but until it's proved, I stand with the board! The misuse, is at the hands of the administration. Why else would shredded bags of documents, be so important? God be with you all! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: You mean, tonight! I just received this and I don't know if it's the email delivery or what? I always seem to get these, after the fact, or too late, to make a difference. Hi Sharon et al., Yes, the BOE meeting is still on for tonight, Thursday, at the usual place, which is the Bradley Elementary School on 3rd Ave. Although the meetings usually start at 7 PM, tonight the meeting will begin at 6:30 since we will be having (for the 2nd time in a few months) a visit from the NJ Commissioner of Ed, Lucille Davy, who is supposed to make a brief presentation and then take questions from the audience, I believe. Should be an interesting meeting, to say the least. Please be extra careful with the icy streets, etc, as you indicated. Frank D'Alessandro PS Since I'm a board member, I'm required to say I do not speak for the Board. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rev Nunn Stops violence????
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's been around for about 2 years now. Polictics an Religon are a dangerous mix. Ok, when did he arrive in asbury. I have not heard the name since this past fall. Why is Keady so involved with this guy? Sounds strange to me. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:56:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Rev Nunn Stops violence --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Is the Rev Nunn new to town? If so where was he from? Lakewood. __ __ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Rev Nunn Stops violence????
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keady certainly has a sense of mission. Father Surlis, Keady's prof, avers, A word comes up with Jimthe word is prophetic Agreed they are not a good mix. Before you know it, you find yourself voting for a homeless shelter when the people who elected you do not support it. These are the same people who placed their futures at risk by starting businesses and rehabilitating homes in Asbury. - Original Message From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:45:40 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Rev Nunn Stops violence --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: He's been around for about 2 years now. Polictics an Religon are a dangerous mix. Ok, when did he arrive in asbury. I have not heard the name since this past fall. Why is Keady so involved with this guy? Sounds strange to me. - Original Message From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:56:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Rev Nunn Stops violence --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Is the Rev Nunn new to town? If so where was he from? Lakewood. _ _ _ _ _ _ __ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos. yahoo.com/ new_cars. html __ __ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't we drop off our homeless at your shelter? Do you have a full house? I'm sure we can transport. Why can't operation Warm Bed be hooked up with you? It's a win win. It's closer than Ft. Monmouth. (tommy) AsburyCouple you are right that he is ignoring that poing. Also REVKEV, as to what to do with Pedophiles released from jail, you certainly should NOT release them on the street at 7:00 on a street where children are walking to school. Sure there is some place they have to go, but why do you ignore the very easy answer that in the path of children is certainly not the place? You keep ignoring both these issues and it is bothering me. I'm getting that talking to a wall feeling. How and when someone is released is in the control of the corrections facilities. If a released inmate is apt to perform a criminal act upon a child, by simply seeing one, than I question why they are being released to begin with. Especially if they have no where to go to. As for the arguement, et al. I am still waiting for someone to tell me how many beds there are in Asbury Park to shelter homeless people in the 100+ non profits? As to all other matters unless you have evidence you have nothing. So I suggest you bring hard evidence, not speculation and hear say to bear, otherwise you just ramble with no purpose and Iam not a proponent of such. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REV. Kev, go to Tommys blog and see all the services the City provides. Then answer that question. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone work so hard to not answer a direct question... This is not about the criminal justice system or what is available to released child molesters. This is about whether Asbury has already done their fare share and whether we should again be burdened with everybody else's crap. Kevin - please answer the question below. Nothing else. Just this question please: Given that Asbury Park has done far more than any other community and by your own statements other towns have not done their fare share, why do you feel that Asbury should be burdened with this shelter and other towns again be allowed to do nothing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: (tommy) AsburyCouple you are right that he is ignoring that poing. Also REVKEV, as to what to do with Pedophiles released from jail, you certainly should NOT release them on the street at 7:00 on a street where children are walking to school. Sure there is some place they have to go, but why do you ignore the very easy answer that in the path of children is certainly not the place? You keep ignoring both these issues and it is bothering me. I'm getting that talking to a wall feeling. How and when someone is released is in the control of the corrections facilities. If a released inmate is apt to perform a criminal act upon a child, by simply seeing one, than I question why they are being released to begin with. Especially if they have no where to go to. As for the arguement, et al. I am still waiting for someone to tell me how many beds there are in Asbury Park to shelter homeless people in the 100+ non profits? As to all other matters unless you have evidence you have nothing. So I suggest you bring hard evidence, not speculation and hear say to bear, otherwise you just ramble with no purpose and Iam not a proponent of such. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is only the begining. I hope this guy is voted OUT! - Original Message From: rogerpoulard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:52:19 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Welcome Roger. I don't know about 7 homeless shelters, but there were not zero either. The state lists Interfaith Neighbors as an emergency shelter. I don't know if that is right, but if not, they should notify the state. The information I got on that was from Jim Keady's blog in July of 06. Here's the quote: In their literature, the group Stand Up For Asbury wrongly states that, There are 7 other shelters in Asbury Park that have overnight sleeping quarters for the homeless. And the Coaster printed that information in their July 13th edition without any fact-checking, I later learned. There are not 7 shelters in Asbury Park. There are currently NO shelters in Asbury Park that offer overnight sleeping quarters for the homeless. There are seven agencies that offer services for the homeless and transitional residential housing for specific populations (abused women, HIV/AIDS, etc.) but there is no agency currently operating in Asbury Park that would meet the loosest definition of a homeless shelter. Also, I know City Hall was running a homeless shelter recently, which I did see with my own eyes. I went and interviewed some of the people at the City Hall shelter. Not one of them was from Asbury. One even told me that cops as far away as New Brunswick were buying the homeless train tickets to Asbury Park to send the homeless to our shelter. That's how he had gotten here. Your concerns in that regard are well founded. Well, here's my concern - if this is happening and we can document it, why isn't Asbury Park taking action to make the other municipalities take care of their own homeless issue. Why isn't Asbury Park suing New Brunswick to recover the costs of taking care of this homeless situation? What is the city government doing to have this addressed at the state level in Trenton? Regarding your quotes about the amount of sex offenders in the area now - I don't see how that helps your case here. If we had no rapes in Asbury Park, then I could see your point. Since we do have rapes each year, I think citing those statistics supports my argument that we should not be attracting more rapists. The problem is putting these folks in a residential neighborhood. It shouldn't be. This little beach town has done enough. Time for someone else to do some heavy lifting. According to the Stand Up For Asbury website, the area is zoned for Light Industrial and not residential. Although there is housing nearby (in a city of 1.4 square miles, I don't see how its possible for there not to be) it is not being placed in a zoned residential area. I think my statistics may support an argument for ordinances to prohibit sex offenders for living within a certain distance of a school or park but not for the creation of a homeless shelter. The city could work with MSM to create a shelter that will have a positive outcome for our homeless population. Although I would love other municipalities in this area to do heavy lifting, it's pretty apparent that nobody else is willing to. Maybe its my catholic background, but I just don't think we should stop helping because we've done enough as a community. Most people that have moved to Asbury Park in the past was well aware of these problems before they bought property here... and just because a ton of money and fresh paint finds its way to the streets of Asbury doesn't mean that the problems just disappear either. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, rogerpoulard rogerpoulard@ wrote: Hi. I've lived in Asbury Park for about a year now. I've been attracted to this community because of its mix and seeming compassion for the less fortunate that live here. I haven't followed the Market Street Mission project terribly closely but I've kept my eye on it. Because I support it, mostly. I had some concerns about the Stand Up For Asbury organization from the beginning. When I went to the website, they originally talked about there being seven homeless shelters in Asbury Park, an overestimation by seven. Once I discovered that, there was little on that website I felt I could believe. There are reservations that I feel towards this specific organization' s plans - especially in the area of religious inculcation to house homeless people in need of a bed, but its something I can live with. I also have concerns with bussing in other homeless
[AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to his web site he stated back in 2005 he wants to open a soup kitchen in AP. I hope this guy is voted OUT! - Original Message From: rogerpoulard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:52:19 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Welcome Roger. I don't know about 7 homeless shelters, but there were not zero either. The state lists Interfaith Neighbors as an emergency shelter. I don't know if that is right, but if not, they should notify the state. The information I got on that was from Jim Keady's blog in July of 06. Here's the quote: In their literature, the group Stand Up For Asbury wrongly states that, There are 7 other shelters in Asbury Park that have overnight sleeping quarters for the homeless. And the Coaster printed that information in their July 13th edition without any fact-checking, I later learned. There are not 7 shelters in Asbury Park. There are currently NO shelters in Asbury Park that offer overnight sleeping quarters for the homeless. There are seven agencies that offer services for the homeless and transitional residential housing for specific populations (abused women, HIV/AIDS, etc.) but there is no agency currently operating in Asbury Park that would meet the loosest definition of a homeless shelter. Also, I know City Hall was running a homeless shelter recently, which I did see with my own eyes. I went and interviewed some of the people at the City Hall shelter. Not one of them was from Asbury. One even told me that cops as far away as New Brunswick were buying the homeless train tickets to Asbury Park to send the homeless to our shelter. That's how he had gotten here. Your concerns in that regard are well founded. Well, here's my concern - if this is happening and we can document it, why isn't Asbury Park taking action to make the other municipalities take care of their own homeless issue. Why isn't Asbury Park suing New Brunswick to recover the costs of taking care of this homeless situation? What is the city government doing to have this addressed at the state level in Trenton? Regarding your quotes about the amount of sex offenders in the area now - I don't see how that helps your case here. If we had no rapes in Asbury Park, then I could see your point. Since we do have rapes each year, I think citing those statistics supports my argument that we should not be attracting more rapists. The problem is putting these folks in a residential neighborhood. It shouldn't be. This little beach town has done enough. Time for someone else to do some heavy lifting. According to the Stand Up For Asbury website, the area is zoned for Light Industrial and not residential. Although there is housing nearby (in a city of 1.4 square miles, I don't see how its possible for there not to be) it is not being placed in a zoned residential area. I think my statistics may support an argument for ordinances to prohibit sex offenders for living within a certain distance of a school or park but not for the creation of a homeless shelter. The city could work with MSM to create a shelter that will have a positive outcome for our homeless population. Although I would love other municipalities in this area to do heavy lifting, it's pretty apparent that nobody else is willing to. Maybe its my catholic background, but I just don't think we should stop helping because we've done enough as a community. Most people that have moved to Asbury Park in the past was well aware of these problems before they bought property here... and just because a ton of money and fresh paint finds its way to the streets of Asbury doesn't mean that the problems just disappear either. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, rogerpoulard rogerpoulard@ wrote: Hi. I've lived in Asbury Park for about a year now. I've been attracted to this community because of its mix and seeming compassion for the less fortunate that live here. I haven't followed the Market Street Mission project terribly closely but I've kept my eye on it. Because I support it, mostly. I had some concerns about the Stand Up For Asbury organization from the beginning. When I went to the website, they originally talked about there being seven homeless shelters in Asbury Park, an overestimation by seven. Once I discovered that, there was little on that website I felt I could believe. There are reservations that I feel towards this specific organization' s plans - especially in the area of religious inculcation to house homeless people in need of a bed, but its something I can live with. I
[AsburyPark] Re: Rescue Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, what happens if the Zoning Board votes no? Is their CO pulled and it's over or are we looking at appeals? Who do the losers appeal too? The council? The Judge? Rev Nunn? Father Keady? Who? Sharon, honey, baby! What are you apologizing for? Who loves you more than me? Nobody! You never have to apologize to me!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Everyone here, seems to validate why AP, shouldn't have this mission and if it's true, that AP residents aren't eligible, what's the point? I'm not changing my position, but I may have spoken too soon! Denise stated, that after the close of Marlboro, was when AP, became a dumping ground for eveyone's refuse and that, was a true statement, but what is the solution? I thought that this is/was, the purpose of the Mission, a hand-up, instead of a hand-out! Released convicts, should NOT be brought here, because other towns, have half-way houses, like Jersey City, that get them employed and training. I had heard, but it is only hearsay, that training, is available here, in AP. Am I correct or just what, IS available? I'm in the mindset, that this place would be for homeless veterans, men down and out on their luck, but all this talk of pedophiles, is scary! Tommy, I was just pulling your chain! Yes, I know you work here and pay taxes here; it's your hometown and I apologize, if I sounded a little underhanded. No, I humbly, apologize! I have no right, to jusge who is and who isn't, in favor of this city! See, I have no problem, saying I'm sorry. I did register for the newsletter, for the link, Mario has so graciously posted here. A very interesting site. This is a threat, not a promise, that before I post, I will TRY, to have all my ducks in a row, instead of opening my mouth and inserting my foot! Sorry, ALL! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In reference to Tommy's post: With over 80 non-profits and 39 churches Finally, some hard numbers! Thank you. Is there some place where these 119 tax-exempts are listed by name and address? all helping the poor, . The skeptic in me wonders how many of these are legit as opposed to Elmer Gantry spin offs, ripping off everyone, the poor and the taxpayers. Does the city, or anyone, monitor these non-profits and their credentials. _http://www.charitynavigator.org/_ (http://www.charitynavigator.org/)does an admirable job, but I suspect many bogus non-profits are clever enough to remain under everyone's radar. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Rescue Mission Date: 2/14/2007 2:00:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:justifiedright@) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: Kevin the issue is not whether to help, rather where to help and who should provide it. With over 80 non-profits and 39 churches all helping the poor, Asbury Park has done enough. Don't give me this holy rhetoric about moral responsibility - don't you dare - not when the other 51 Monmouth County towns aren't kicking in any where near the help we are, and some not at all. We've done more than our share. Also, Jesus never put a shelter full of pedophiles, who will be released at 7:00 am, in the path of children walking to school. Where is your moral responsibility towared those kids? If moral responsibility is measured by assitance to the poor, then Asbury Park is the Mother Theresa of Monmouth County. Go spread your moral indignation in a town in Monmouth that isn't helping the poor. How about we put this mission next to you know who's parent's house in Belmar? See if he would support it then. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: Tommy, criminal behaviour is not a factor in the overall decision to allow services for the needy. Jesus never rejected a soul. Ministry is charged with aiding those in need. If the liberal court system weren't releasing these individuals back into society there would be no public threat. To cease support because among the masses there are those that intend evil upon another is like shutting down the asbury park government because former councilman Hamilton was arrested for taking a bribe. You can not corporately punish a segment of community because a handful in the community are evil. As for me being happy that asbury wouldn't have a mission, with the inuendo that our
[AsburyPark] Rev Nunn Stops violence????
Three people shot Wednesday night in Asbury Park Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/15/07 BY MICHELLE SAHN COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU ASBURY PARK Three people were shot on Wednesday night in the area of Bangs and Ridge avenues in the city, police said. Lt. Dave Kelso said police are trying to determine if the shooting is gang-related. The three victims, a 17-year-old Asbury Park boy, a 20-year-old Asbury Park man, and a 22-year-old Neptune man, were treated at Jersey Shore University Medical Center, Neptune, said Kelso. Their injuries were not life-threatening, he said. Around 10:20 p.m. the 17- and 22-year-old were both shot in the thigh, and the 20-year-old was shot in the lower back, police said. A stray bullet also struck the window of a car parked on Ridge Avenue. Kelso said police believe more than three shots were fired. The shooting is under investigation by Detective Steven Ramseur, and anyone with information is asked to call him at (732) 502-5770 or the department's tip line at, 1-800-799-8280. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOR STARTERS YOU CAN CUT OFF HIS NUTS! Then what should be done with a pedophile who has already served his or her time in jail, is now released and is homeless? Maybe revisit the Primm case of 1666 and have them wear a scarlet P? There are a lot of civil rights being tred upon based on a fear of unknown happenings. The mission does not say pedophiles criminals welcome here! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pedophiles at the Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote: I might write in Rolemover for Senate. Then what should be done with a pedophile who has already served his or her time in jail, is now released and is homeless? Maybe revisit the Primm case of 1666 and have them wear a scarlet P? neah too strong, how about you take them in and make them your campaign workers, or better yet your campaign managers Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RIP, CAL
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one of the worst ways to go. God Bless him and his family. An old friend and great Asbury Parker, Ricky Cal Caliendo has passed away from Lou Gehrig's disease at 52. He worked for the City. He and his brother Sal ran our Bocce League here. The State of NJ in a resolution declared Asbury Park the Bocce Capital of New Jersey and our tournament the Official State Bocce Tournament of New Jersey. Sadly, the prior administration chased us out of AP by asking us for more money for insurance than they sought from the canoe races. The money was for insurance..riiight. We had a few hundred people down the boardwalk for our men's and women's leagues twice a week during Asbury's toughest times, and the City still chased us away. The people asking us for that money are mostly in jail or indicted right now. Asbury's bocce league and tournament are now located in Long Branch, where we were accepted with open arms. I hope some day we can bring it back home. Cal's cousin was Putt Putt Petillo, the Asbury Park Police Officer who started the Bocce League, and also ran the Baby Parade and Easter Parade in Asbury for many years. A very good family who dedicates their lives to other people having fun in Asbury Park. I'll miss Cal dearly. RICHARD DOMINICK CALIENDO, 52, of NEPTUNE CITY Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/13/07 RICHARD DOMINICK CALIENDO, 52, of NEPTUNE CITY, died Sunday, Feb. 11, at home after a brave four-year battle with ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). Richard was born in Oceanport in 1954 and his family then moved to Asbury Park that same year. He later moved to Neptune City in 1989. Richard was a graduate of Asbury Park High School in 1972. He was a communicant of Our Lady of Mount Carmel Roman Catholic Church, Asbury Park. Richard was the head official for years at the Putt Putt Petillo Bocce Tournament in Asbury Park, a member of the Al Natalie Softball League for years and a member of the Asbury Park/Wall Elks 128. Richard worked for the Public Works Department in Asbury Park for 27 years, retiring in 2002. He also worked for the Shop Rite in Neptune and Foodtown in Neptune City. He was predeceased by his father, Frank D. Caliendo. Richard is survived by his wife of 20 years, Josephine Masco Caliendo; his mother, Louise Caliendo of Wall; his brother and sister-in-law, Salvatore and Elizabeth Caliendo of Neptune City; his father-in-law and mother-in-law, Frank and Betty Masco of Neptune City; his brother-in-law and sister-in-law, Jim and Janie Masco of Neptune; three nieces and three nephews, Frank, Michael, Frances, James, Jeanna and Julianna; his great-nieces and nephews; and his beloved cats, Roger, Lucy and Henry. Visitation will be from 2 to 4 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. Wednesday at Buckley Funeral Home, 509 Second Ave., Asbury Park. A Mass of Christian Burial will be celebrated at 10 a.m. Thursday in Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church, Asbury Park. Interment will be private. In lieu of flowers, please make donations to the Joan Dancy and People with ALS (PALS) Support Group, Riverview Medical Center, c/o Riverview Terrace Building, 2nd Floor, Front Street, Red Bank, NJ 07701. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Market Street Mission
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Connect the dots.
Like most I do not see how JW could believe this would be an asset
to the community or how Asbury should be a dumping ground for these
people. I understand we need to help our fellow man, but we do with
other facilities. Even after the town gathered together, spent their
own money and time Keady's vote was really selfish. What happened to
representing the people?
- Original Message
From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:52:08 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Market Street Mission
Funny you should bring up Fort Monmouth. There is a homeless
shelter there, and has been for years.
They have a bus and will come pick up the homeless person and let
them stay for 30 days straight.
They also check for warrants. If the person has one, they get to
sleep in a different place that night.
Market Street Mission refuses to check for warrants. Guess what
that
means - anyone with a warrant will come here to Asbury Park because
they won't get checked. Great attraction.
There is no way JK or anyone else should be behind this Mission.
You either care about this community or you care about something
else.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
While I like Jim Keady, I strongly oppose the Market Street
Mission. The last thing we need
are more questionable people wandering around our city.
I don't understand why the abandoned parts of Ft. Monmouth aren't
being used for things
like the Mission.
Actually, I'd like to know what Ft. Monmouth plans on doing with
the empty housing on
Pinebrook Road. There is a whole abandoned community there,
fenced
in and empty.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@
wrote:
hurry up and get a house here and you can take his place
- Original Message
From: justifiedright justifiedright@
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:02:57 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Market Street Mission
How anyone can say he cares about the youth of this City and
support
this House of Pedophiles is beyond me.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson
nnjallans1@ ...
wrote:
Article in the press today about the Market Street Mission.
One
highlight:
City Councilman Jim Keady then noted that he was the only
member
of the council who did not sign off on the city's brief in
support
of the objectors to the shelter.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Club Deep suspect in court
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you see his picture? FREEHOLD A 34-year-old Brooklyn tattoo artist charged with manslaughter in connection with the death of a man outside Club Deep Jan. 14 entered an informal plea of not guilty this afternoon. Alexander J. Franklin, of 74th Street in Brooklyn, was charged with manslaughter in the death of James C. Morrison, 25, which occurred outside the club on Second Avenue. On Feb. 10, Superior Court Judge James J. McGann set Franklin's bail at $300,000. At Franklin's initial appearance this afternoon, his attorney, John P. Johnston, asked Superior Court Judge Paul F. Chaiet to reduce Franklin's bail to $200,000. Before Johnston could explain the reason behind his request, Chaiet told him: You can be heard, but I'll tell you, quite frankly, it won't make a difference.'' Chaiet explained that Johnston could file a formal request for a bail hearing, but said he would not lower the bail now based on the content of this case's reports. Johnston then briefly stated that Franklin has family members living in Monmouth County who could use their home's equity as $200,000 toward bail. Franklin, known locally as Old School Alex, is a well-known tattoo artist who works in Brooklyn Ink, in the Bayridge section of the borough. He was soft- spoken in court, and entered the room with a dark green suit jacket obscuring the tattoos on his arms and wrists. After Franklin's brief appearance, Johnston had no comment. But he handed a reporter a brief written statement: I do not intend to try this case outside of court, whether in the newspapers or on the Internet. I request that any person with information about this incident...come forward,'' the statement read. Anyone reluctant, for whatever reason, to contact the Asbury Park Police or the Monmouth County Prosecutor's office, is encouraged to phone my law office at (732) 255-1200. Out of respect for the family of James Morrison, who have suffered a tragic loss, I will make no further comment about this case at this time.'' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Board of Ed
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: I heard the Commissioner of Ed, is coming to town this week. School takeover??? I doubt it, maybe a semi takeover. Where will we get the money the state says we have to pay back? New condos won't be paying any schools tax. Anybody got any ideas? Maureen not knowing their budget it would be impossible for us to say, what areas can be cut without effecting the students, hopefully the 9 who got us in this mess are already working on different options, so when the bill comes they are prepared, i would suggest top administrators, lawyers fees, changing health carriers could provide between 300 and 500 thoudsand in savings, but the union doesnt want to switch, oh i forgot they are not suppose to be running the district, switching carriers is perfectly legal, has been done in the past, the key is you have to provide the same insurance package you are already providing equal to or better , eliminating bd. members trips,, what ever, the key is they should already be working on this, all it would take is the bd to direct the staff to start working on alternate plans,this was also done in the past by proactive not reactive bds. the more preparation the easier the blow when it does happen, and it will, so dont waste lawyers fees on appealing it something they also did. your right new condos wont be paying school taxes, but that is a totally different story, i hope you are not trying to blame that for the problem the bd. got themselves into. boy that would be totally mixing apples and oranges, 80 million $ budget 18 probaly closer to 20 thousand per child since the enrollment numbers were fabricated, terrible test results, do not blame these on future codos, and the tax structure. no one in their right mind could even suggest that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
