subject:"\[AsburyPark\] Re\: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia"

In a message dated 7/30/2007 8:21:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

the photos,  definitely should be replaced! ...  I think the  Council, should 
place their own
comments, don't you?  The piece  doesn't do Asbury enough justice,
===
Anyone can edit the text or add pictures;  enough passion in the  people on 
the list to maintain it.  I'm thinking, the Historical Society  (also people 
like Werner and Kate with her Coaster pix); and  MM  people might want to take 
a 
shot at it first with pix.  Coaster and TriCity  should have file photos too.
Businesses add links.  Other Asbury Park web sites can add their input  and 
links.
 
Controversies in a special section (maybe).  E/g., Eminent Domain, et  al.
 
Talk / Discussion pages allow for comments and resolution of disputed  
content.  
 
Text should emphasize new dynamism to balance the old old stuff about riots  
and decay.
 
Wiki articles are always somewhat in flux, as in maintenance, but founder  
Jimbo Wales was on TV this weekend explaining the self-policing control the 
site 
 maintains.  Considering the number of visits the site gets, care of the  
site should be no small matter for us.  
 
For better or worse, Wiki is becoming more and more at first stop for  
students, journalists; even some judges accept references from there it's been  
reported.
 
See CONTRIBUTING at  _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About) 
 
Maybe all the passion, expertise,  and debate on this board could be  
harnessed for good.
 
cf.:
 
No depressing pix here:  
_Click here: Coney  Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coney_Island)  

Monmouth County list at bottom here :   
_Click here: Monmouth  County, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_County)  
 











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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

I agree that many, many people use Wiki.  So you are absolutely 
right - we should endeavor to make it better.

This also highlight why Wiki isn't a reliable source.  As you say, 
the Asbury Park installment, taken as a whole, seems misleading. THe 
same is true for much of Wiki.  It's OK for facts beyond dispute 
(birth and death dates, etc, but awful for anything subject to 
interpretation).


Just wait until you see the fight you're in for when you try to 
change it.  People who think just anyone can change it are wrong. 

There are a number of Wiki people out their, with no expertise on 
anything, that have veto power on what you put up there.  They 
monitor every chnage.  IF they don't like it, they change it back.

I hope you can get it done.






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 In a message dated 7/30/2007 8:21:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 the photos,  definitely should be replaced! ...  I think the  
Council, should 
 place their own
 comments, don't you?  The piece  doesn't do Asbury enough justice,
 ===
 Anyone can edit the text or add pictures;  enough passion in the  
people on 
 the list to maintain it.  I'm thinking, the Historical Society  
(also people 
 like Werner and Kate with her Coaster pix); and  MM  people might 
want to take a 
 shot at it first with pix.  Coaster and TriCity  should have file 
photos too.
 Businesses add links.  Other Asbury Park web sites can add their 
input  and 
 links.
  
 Controversies in a special section (maybe).  E/g., Eminent Domain, 
et  al.
  
 Talk / Discussion pages allow for comments and resolution of 
disputed  
 content.  
  
 Text should emphasize new dynamism to balance the old old stuff 
about riots  
 and decay.
  
 Wiki articles are always somewhat in flux, as in maintenance, but 
founder  
 Jimbo Wales was on TV this weekend explaining the self-policing 
control the site 
  maintains.  Considering the number of visits the site gets, care 
of the  
 site should be no small matter for us.  
  
 For better or worse, Wiki is becoming more and more at first stop 
for  
 students, journalists; even some judges accept references from 
there it's been  
 reported.
  
 See CONTRIBUTING at  
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About_ 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About) 
  
 Maybe all the passion, expertise,  and debate on this board could 
be  
 harnessed for good.
  
 cf.:
  
 No depressing pix here:  
 _Click here: Coney  Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coney_Island)  
 
 Monmouth County list at bottom here :   
 _Click here: Monmouth  County, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia_ 
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_County)  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread Allan Peterson

The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will only find dead 
links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech Cam, Downtown Cam and so 
much more.  Poor source of information for people interested in Asbury Park.

- Original Message 
From: 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:18:56 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

It's an almost decent assessment, but the photos, definitely should be
replaced! No doubt! I think the Council, should place their own
comments, don't you? The piece doesn't do Asbury enough justice,
IMHO! I saw a jewel, no, the Pearl, I envision, when I talk about AP!
I was impressed to no end, with all of the activity and beauty, I
surveyed. I am never one, to talk to strangers, and I found myself,
talking to anyone, who would listen! People were smiling, enjoying
the ocean, the boards; everything. I was happy as all get out and
sorry, I hadn't taken advantage of the beautiful place, we call home,
before! Yeah, yeah, I know, we aren't THERE, yet, but you have to
crawl, before you walk, as my dad, always said! There are REAL
possibilities here! Now, if we could just get those cameras! Me, who
is a civil libertarian, stating this! I must be getting old!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote:

 Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

 1. Just some observations I've made recently. Reuters reports that
 Wikipedia is now the top online news and information destination,
 according to Nielsen//NetRatings . Online encyclopedia Wikipedia has
 added about 20 million unique monthly visitors in the past year. In May,
 Wikipedia had 46.8 million unique visitors, up 72 percent from June
 2006, NetRatings said. Wikipedia also has finished on top of the news
 and information category every month this year -- ranking ahead of
 Landmark Communications' Weather Channel site by an increasing margin --
 topping out with a disparity of about 10 million visitors in May.

 2. As I understand it, the rank of results at Google is based on what
 sites users are visiting. Right now, a search for  Asbury Park
 will show Wikipedia ranked as number 3 or 4 out of approximately
 2,000,000 hits.

 3. Here is the main entry about our city: Click here: Asbury Park, New
 Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Asbury_Park% 2C_New_Jersey Overall, not
 fully representative of The Rising of Asbury Rising.

 4. Here are the current comments at the talk page for that
 entry at Wikipedia: Click here: Talk:Asbury Park, New Jersey -
 Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Talk:Asbury_ Park%2C_New_ Jersey

  = = = = = ==

 Talk: Asbury Park, New Jersey, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 Negativity

 Is it just me or do the photos in this suggest a lot of negativity?
 Crumbling, dilapidated,  vacant these are all used in the captions
 of the photos and suggest the demise of the town. However, the article
 doesn't talk about a decline and, instead, focuses on redevelopment.
 What are the views on this? The photos seem to suggest one point of view
 (that Asbury Park's a piece of crap [pardon the French]) and the article
 suggests another (Asbury Park: Getting' better every day). Thoughts? 12
 January 2007 (UTC)

 I totally agree-- the same thoughts passed through my head as I read it.
 Perhaps some new photos are in order? 17:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

 have you ever been there?

 talk it up all you want, this city is positively terrifying.

  = = = = =

 I'm hoping (suggesting) that the powers that be* have some
 content and images that more accurately reflect our progress at this
 time. Various news sources, marketing, and real estate interests have
 recently published many terrific images (E.g., Paramount Theater
 renovations, the new Hobo's, parades, et al.) They show us in a more
 positive light than what you'll see there now: the old
 Beirut-by-the- Sea stuff.

 It is not very difficult to edit a Wikipedia article or comment on the
 talk or discussion pages. Much easier, less time and effort than it took
 to carry out this year's a fantastic Road Trip event.

 Hoping that the professionals* with expertise in this area might add
 this to their To Do Lists.

 *(Chamber of Commerce, UEZ, City Hall/Council, Asbury Partners, Madison
 Marquette? Somebody?)

 [Photo by Andrei Jackamets]

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search 
that gives answers, not web links. 
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread Hinge

This would be a perfect job for the Asbury Park Historic Society, but, are they 
actually still 
a functioning group? The reason I ask is that I tried contacting them several 
times around 
the time that the Library Square Park fountain was vandalized, and I heard 
nothing from 
them. This surprised me, because they renovated the fountain and had a 
sprinkler system 
installed, but after both of those were damaged I have yet to see or hear 
anything from the 
society about this. It's like they went into the park and did some good work, 
then they 
pretty much forgot about the place. I'm sure it hurt them to find their efforts 
destroyed, 
but that doesn't mean that you just give up and move on.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will only find dead 
 links for 
Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more.  
Poor 
source of information for people interested in Asbury Park.
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:18:56 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
 
 It's an almost decent assessment, but the photos, definitely should be
 replaced! No doubt! I think the Council, should place their own
 comments, don't you? The piece doesn't do Asbury enough justice,
 IMHO! I saw a jewel, no, the Pearl, I envision, when I talk about AP!
 I was impressed to no end, with all of the activity and beauty, I
 surveyed. I am never one, to talk to strangers, and I found myself,
 talking to anyone, who would listen! People were smiling, enjoying
 the ocean, the boards; everything. I was happy as all get out and
 sorry, I hadn't taken advantage of the beautiful place, we call home,
 before! Yeah, yeah, I know, we aren't THERE, yet, but you have to
 crawl, before you walk, as my dad, always said! There are REAL
 possibilities here! Now, if we could just get those cameras! Me, who
 is a civil libertarian, stating this! I must be getting old!
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ .. wrote:
 
  
  Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
  
  1. Just some observations I've made recently. Reuters reports that
  Wikipedia is now the top online news and information destination,
  according to Nielsen//NetRatings . Online encyclopedia Wikipedia has
  added about 20 million unique monthly visitors in the past year. In May,
  Wikipedia had 46.8 million unique visitors, up 72 percent from June
  2006, NetRatings said. Wikipedia also has finished on top of the news
  and information category every month this year -- ranking ahead of
  Landmark Communications' Weather Channel site by an increasing margin --
  topping out with a disparity of about 10 million visitors in May.
  
  2. As I understand it, the rank of results at Google is based on what
  sites users are visiting. Right now, a search for  Asbury Park
  will show Wikipedia ranked as number 3 or 4 out of approximately
  2,000,000 hits.
  
  3. Here is the main entry about our city: Click here: Asbury Park, New
  Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Asbury_Park% 2C_New_Jersey Overall, not
  fully representative of The Rising of Asbury Rising.
  
  4. Here are the current comments at the talk page for that
  entry at Wikipedia: Click here: Talk:Asbury Park, New Jersey -
  Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Talk:Asbury_ Park%2C_New_ Jersey
  
   = = = = 
= ==
  
  Talk: Asbury Park, New Jersey, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
  Negativity
  
  Is it just me or do the photos in this suggest a lot of negativity?
  Crumbling, dilapidated,  vacant these are all used in the captions
  of the photos and suggest the demise of the town. However, the article
  doesn't talk about a decline and, instead, focuses on redevelopment.
  What are the views on this? The photos seem to suggest one point of view
  (that Asbury Park's a piece of crap [pardon the French]) and the article
  suggests another (Asbury Park: Getting' better every day). Thoughts? 12
  January 2007 (UTC)
  
  I totally agree-- the same thoughts passed through my head as I read it.
  Perhaps some new photos are in order? 17:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
  
  have you ever been there?
  
  talk it up all you want, this city is positively terrifying.
  
   = = = = 
=
  
  I'm hoping (suggesting) that the powers that be* have some
  content and images that more accurately reflect our progress at this
  time. Various news sources, marketing, and real estate interests have
  recently published many terrific images (E.g., Paramount Theater
  renovations, the new Hobo's, parades, et al.) They show us in a more
  positive light than what you'll see there now: the old
  Beirut-by-the- Sea stuff.
  
  It is not very

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

Laura Jewell has access to many great photos from her own camera, 
the City and the developers.  

Maybe we should contact her to fix the Wiki.  It is her job anyway, 
which will perhaps also get her past the Wiki editors when she makes 
the changes.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will 
only find dead links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech 
Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more.  Poor source of information for 
people interested in Asbury Park.
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:18:56 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
 
 It's an almost decent assessment, but the photos, definitely 
should be
 replaced! No doubt! I think the Council, should place their own
 comments, don't you? The piece doesn't do Asbury enough justice,
 IMHO! I saw a jewel, no, the Pearl, I envision, when I talk about 
AP!
 I was impressed to no end, with all of the activity and beauty, I
 surveyed. I am never one, to talk to strangers, and I found myself,
 talking to anyone, who would listen! People were smiling, enjoying
 the ocean, the boards; everything. I was happy as all get out and
 sorry, I hadn't taken advantage of the beautiful place, we call 
home,
 before! Yeah, yeah, I know, we aren't THERE, yet, but you have to
 crawl, before you walk, as my dad, always said! There are REAL
 possibilities here! Now, if we could just get those cameras! Me, 
who
 is a civil libertarian, stating this! I must be getting old!
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ .. wrote:
 
  
  Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
  
  1. Just some observations I've made recently. Reuters reports 
that
  Wikipedia is now the top online news and information destination,
  according to Nielsen//NetRatings . Online encyclopedia Wikipedia 
has
  added about 20 million unique monthly visitors in the past year. 
In May,
  Wikipedia had 46.8 million unique visitors, up 72 percent from 
June
  2006, NetRatings said. Wikipedia also has finished on top of the 
news
  and information category every month this year -- ranking ahead 
of
  Landmark Communications' Weather Channel site by an increasing 
margin --
  topping out with a disparity of about 10 million visitors in May.
  
  2. As I understand it, the rank of results at Google is based on 
what
  sites users are visiting. Right now, a search for  Asbury Park
  will show Wikipedia ranked as number 3 or 4 out of approximately
  2,000,000 hits.
  
  3. Here is the main entry about our city: Click here: Asbury 
Park, New
  Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Asbury_Park% 2C_New_Jersey 
Overall, not
  fully representative of The Rising of Asbury Rising.
  
  4. Here are the current comments at the talk page for that
  entry at Wikipedia: Click here: Talk:Asbury Park, New Jersey -
  Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Talk:Asbury_ Park%2C_New_ Jersey
  
   = = = = = ==
  
  Talk: Asbury Park, New Jersey, From Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia
  
  Negativity
  
  Is it just me or do the photos in this suggest a lot of 
negativity?
  Crumbling, dilapidated,  vacant these are all used in the 
captions
  of the photos and suggest the demise of the town. However, the 
article
  doesn't talk about a decline and, instead, focuses on 
redevelopment.
  What are the views on this? The photos seem to suggest one point 
of view
  (that Asbury Park's a piece of crap [pardon the French]) and the 
article
  suggests another (Asbury Park: Getting' better every day). 
Thoughts? 12
  January 2007 (UTC)
  
  I totally agree-- the same thoughts passed through my head as I 
read it.
  Perhaps some new photos are in order? 17:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
  
  have you ever been there?
  
  talk it up all you want, this city is positively terrifying.
  
   = = = = =
  
  I'm hoping (suggesting) that the powers that be* have some
  content and images that more accurately reflect our progress at 
this
  time. Various news sources, marketing, and real estate interests 
have
  recently published many terrific images (E.g., Paramount Theater
  renovations, the new Hobo's, parades, et al.) They show us in a 
more
  positive light than what you'll see there now: the old
  Beirut-by-the- Sea stuff.
  
  It is not very difficult to edit a Wikipedia article or comment 
on the
  talk or discussion pages. Much easier, less time and effort than 
it took
  to carry out this year's a fantastic Road Trip event.
  
  Hoping that the professionals* with expertise in this area might 
add
  this to their To Do Lists.
  
  *(Chamber of Commerce, UEZ, City Hall/Council, Asbury Partners, 
Madison
  Marquette? Somebody?)
  
  
  
  [Photo by Andrei Jackamets

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread wernerapnj

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will 
only find dead links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech 
Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more.  Poor source of information for 
people interested in Asbury Park.
==

Oh stop complaining, Things have never been better in the last 
decade. Everything is rosey and running like clockwork. The website 
has lots of nice colors on it, looks good to me. Is complainers like 
you holding Asbury Park back.

LOL, ROTFL, 

Werner

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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

Don't sweat Werner's insult, Alan.  The fact that you will give the 
City compliments where deserved and criticism where deserved (like 
the website) shows that you are an open-minded and fair person, and 
your opinions can be relied upon.

Clearly you have no axe to grind and are only interested in truth.


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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
 
  The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will 
 only find dead links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech 
 Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more.  Poor source of information 
for 
 people interested in Asbury Park.
 ==
 
 Oh stop complaining, Things have never been better in the last 
 decade. Everything is rosey and running like clockwork. The 
website 
 has lots of nice colors on it, looks good to me. Is complainers 
like 
 you holding Asbury Park back.
 
 LOL, ROTFL, 
 
 Werner
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread wernerapnj

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 Don't sweat Werner's insult, Alan.

 

There you go again, characterizing another's post as something it is 
not. Wil you ever stop doing that?

I was not insulting Allan. If he feels insulted he would tell me 
himself.

Werner



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

Saying that you are laughing out loud and rolling on the floor 
laughing at the gentleman's observations are not an insult?  How 
would you describe it?


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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Don't sweat Werner's insult, Alan.
 
  
 
 There you go again, characterizing another's post as something it is 
 not. Wil you ever stop doing that?
 
 I was not insulting Allan. If he feels insulted he would tell me 
 himself.
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

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 Saying that you are laughing out loud and rolling on the floor 
 laughing at the gentleman's observations are not an insult?  How 
 would you describe it?


And you wonder why you have an internet stalker?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread wernerapnj

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 Saying that you are laughing out loud and rolling on the floor 
 laughing at the gentleman's observations are not an insult?  How 
 would you describe it?
===

I was laughing at my own wit and sarcasm.
So that folks would not think my comment was a serious critique.

Although, others have used the same logic - 'oh, stop complaining' - 
for other legitimate concerns, and no one characterizes it as an 
insult.

Double standards here perhaps?

Werner




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread oakdorf

anyone can update the Wikipedia entries. 

It's real easy.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

Anyone can update Wiki, but making it stick is the problem.  

People there have seniority depending upon how much they use the 
site. At some point they get granted a certain status.

Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have time  -
high school and college kids.

If one of these guys with seniority doesn't like your post, not only 
can he take it down, he can suspend your posting privileges.  

Understand I'm not talking about someone actually connected with the 
ownership of Wiki - I'm talking about another usuer.

So if some scientist wants to post something about stem cell 
research, and a High Schooler with seniority disagrees, the High 
Schooler gets to decide if it stays.

Popular site?  Absolutely - Mario's right we should change the 
Asbury Park entry.

Reliable site?  Not a chance (proof is that we are talking about 
having to change the entry in the fisrt place).



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 anyone can update the Wikipedia entries. 
 
 It's real easy.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread Gary Wien



On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have time -
high school and college kids.



Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists.

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread Hinge

It also is usually at the top of search results for virtually everything when 
using google

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have time -
  high school and college kids.
 
 
 Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists.





 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have time -
  high school and college kids.
 
 
 Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists.


and was recently cited by a NYS Supreme Court judge in a decision.



 
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Very scary.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
   Accordingly, the people who use it most are the ones who have 
time -
   high school and college kids.
  
  
  Unfortunately, it is also used quite often by journalists.
 
 
 and was recently cited by a NYS Supreme Court judge in a decision.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

Dan wrote:

and was recently cited by a NYS Supreme Court judge in a decision.

Yes it was. Many of the criticisms mentioned here deal with issues that
have been ironed out. Last week's NYT reported that Wiki media is now giving
Google a run for its money. IP addresses of people who hack or screw up with
biased or incorrect information or refuse to be civil about disagreements on
the discussion pages are blocked from editing.

Jimbo Wales ( _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales) ) founded Wiki and did a 45
minute
interview at C-Span this weekend. He explains away most of the issues raised
at the
above link or at the interview here:
Lookfor RECENT PROGRAMS __
(http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp?CatCodePairs=Series,APSArchiveDays=100)
_American Perspectives: Jimbo Wales, Dan
Rather, Tammy Bruce_ (javascript:playClip(clip31856))
(07/28/2007)here:
_Click here: C-SPAN: AMERICAN PERSPECTIVES_
(http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=SeriesCode=APSShowVidNum=10Rot_Cat_CD=APSRot_HT=206Rot_WD=ShowVid
Days=100ShowVidDesc=ArchiveDays=100)

The success of the site is partly attributed to the fact that info without
citations are labeled as so, and therefore, suspect. Of course the site would
have to be monitored, just as this board is for misinformation. Considering
the high traffic the site receives now, it could be a very valuable PR tool
for the city. High Schools and colleges are now clamping down on students
using Wiki for research, just as in the old days we were not permitted to
use
encyclopedias as sources.

If we all collaborated and reached consensus, the entry would remain intact.
They now have all sorts of safeguards in place.

Can't see why the city or developers wouldn't want to look into it -- all
free PR. As it stands now, with some of those pictures , can't see why anyone
would follow up if he or she were thinking of buying here.

BTW: Way back when, when I objected to a legend about the fighter Max in
Hitler's Germany, I submitted the additional info from the NYT letter to the
editor. My addition was thoroughly scrutinized and then made permanent by
those who watch over that entry.

Hope this thread doesn't get hijacked by irrelevant info -- since we all
care about this city so much.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

 
 
See Statement  of Principles:
 
 
_Click here:  User:Jimbo Wales - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales)  
 
 
Jimbo ends his page with Many Wikipedians watch over my user page and will  
edit mercilessly or even remove altogether any bad faith alterations made. 
 
This is a wiki, after all.   
 
FAQ's
 
 
_Click here:  Wikipedia:FAQ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ)  
 
 
Everything you need to know.  
 
This is Mario, after  all.







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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW:  Way back when, when I objected to a legend about the fighter 
Max  in 
 Hitler's Germany, I submitted the additional info from the NYT 
letter to the  
 editor.  My addition was thoroughly scrutinized and then made 
permanent by  
 those who watch over that entry.


Also known as High Schoolers.


If Wiki accepted that from you, I rest my case.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

In a message dated 7/30/2007 1:05:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It also is  usually at the top of search results for virtually everything 
when using  google
 
Google's algorithm (sp?)  Power of the marketplace.
 

On Jul  30, 2007, at 12:34 PM, justifiedright wrote:
Unfortunately, it is  also used quite often by journalists.




Wales explained that a good example of watching Wiki at work would be to  
watch an entry about any controversial person or issue.  Thousands of  
volunteers 
monitor the entry for George W. Bush and other political  entries.  Any 
inappropriate edit, he says would be removed with minites, he  claims.
 
The Supreme Court  Wiki
 
 
_Click  here: Courts Turn to Wikipedia, but Selectively - New York Times_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/technology/29wikipedia.html?ex=1185940800en=34
7c0f5d37ac4046ei=5070)  






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

 
In a message dated 7/30/2007 3:02:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

--- In  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BTW:  Way back  when, when I objected to a legend about the fighter 
Max  in  
 Hitler's Germany, I submitted the additional info from the NYT  
letter to the  
 editor.  My addition was thoroughly  scrutinized and then made 
permanent by  
 those who watch  over that entry.

Also known as High Schoolers.
 
Your resting your case carries no weight.
 
 
My source was a letter to the NYT by a holocaust survivor, still living who  
was checked out.  That's more scrutiny than any of your columns get.


As you're won't to say to others here, You're wrong.
And I won't get dragged into showing you correspondence I had with the  
non-high schoolers, 'cause you're just be contrarian as usual.
 
justified also wrote:



If Wiki  accepted that from you, I rest my case.




Sounds like an insult to me.   But I won't stomp out of here  crying about it 
as you prone to do like a grammar schooler.   Similar  to your insults to 
Werner and others about theiir whining.  That's an  insult. which you denied 
in 
an endless thread of denials.
 
 
Maureen is right!  You're here just to start cul de sac  arguments.
 
Once again, you've hijacked a thread.  Your questioning the  credibility of 
Wiki is kettle / black.  They still have their problems  but work to correct 
them.   Your columns should have as much  credibility.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread oakdorf

goog had seed  money wiki. 

a good SEO *search engine optimizer * may get you ranked above or right below 
Wiki's.

Also, ANY one with the proper name AND content can get ranked decently in the 
search 
engines. 

I know plenty of attorneys who reference rentlaw.com. 

That really is scary.

 But almost every AG (attorney general) across the country has contacted me and 
has 
provdided content.

did you ever read all the studies about all the scholl books that are wrong



 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My source was a letter to the NYT by a holocaust survivor, still 
living who  
 was checked out.  

No, your source was someone trying to recollect 50 years back, to 
when they were 13, awakened at 1:00 am.  T

At what point did this person recollect the announcer saying Get up 
Maxie?  After Max nearly took a knee against the ropes when the ref 
stepped in? After Joe knocked him down the 1st time?  The 2nd time?  
The 3rd time?  

The legend has it that the radio was cut after a knockdown.  Don't 
know which one.  Could have been any of them, and the recollection 
you cite doesn't answer the question.

That's called reliable info in Wiki world, not in the real world.


 Sounds like an insult to me.   

It was.

By the way, since the same Wiki article also speaks to the power 
being cut, which should the reader believe, your part of the article 
or the other part of the article?  Typical Wiki.


Also, if I recall correctly, my column said something to the effect 
of legend has it about the radio broadcast being cut. Haven't you 
pretty much proved that I was telling the truth about that?  You've 
found numerous sources, Wiki itself, citing the same thing.


Lastly on this, which one of us is hijakcing the thread?  You are 
bringing up this stuff from last year, not me.

 Maureen is right!  You're here just to start cul de sac  arguments.

Maureen said that about me?  I must have missed it, unless it wasn't 
here that she said it.

Don't care anyway, since I don't know what that means.




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])  writes:

But almost  every AG (attorney general) across the country has contacted me 
and has  
provdided content.

did you ever read all the studies about all the  scholl books that are wrong



See also
Excerpt from NYT magazine a few weeks ago:
 
 
The tricky thing is, the process by which Wikipedia usually,  eventually gets 
things right — the notion  that mistakes in a given entry, whether 
intentional or unintentional, will  ultimately be caught and repaired as a 
function of 
the project’s massive,  egalitarian oversight — doesn’t seem as if it would 
work when  people are looking for information about events unfolding in real 
time. How on  earth can anyone be trusted to get the story right when any 
version 
of the story  is only as accurate, or even as serious, as the last anonymous 
person to log on  and rewrite it? 
Nothing is easier than taking shots at Wikipedia, and its many mistakes (most 
 often instances of deliberate vandalism) are schadenfreude’s most renewable  
resource. But given the chaotic way in which it works, the truly  remarkable 
thing about Wikipedia as a news site is that it works as well as it  does.
Full text: 
_Click  here: Wikipedia - Computers and the Internet - Encyclopedias - News 
and News  Media - New York Times_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/magazine/01WIKIPEDIA-t.html?ei=5070en=6eb7f669a27abd53ex=1185940800adxnnl=1pagewanted
=alladxnnlx=1185824602-tCw1XliGq52hxJq16HB2ng)  
 
==
Not even Camden has the desolute pictures that AP has:  
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden%2C_New_Jersey_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey) 
 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread apoojo

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Laura Jewell has access to many great photos from her own camera, 
 the City and the developers.  
 
 Maybe we should contact her to fix the Wiki.  It is her job anyway, 
 which will perhaps also get her past the Wiki editors when she 
makes 
 the changes.

 wasnt going to touch it unless someone else brought it up, well 
tommy your the lawyer , you brought it up, laura jewell's cameras? as 
much as we pay her is it her camera or the citys, is it her job or 
will she ask for more money?  i ask this because if anyone reads that 
book she put out celebrating the citys 110 birthday,  you can read it 
if you like, she states everything connected with celebrate and 
celebrate asbury park(including the pictures taken by HER camera) are 
trademarks and service marks owned by jewell marketing ass. inc. so 
let me figure this out, we ,being the taxpayers are paying for this , 
yet she gets any and all royalites, again only in america!! cant 
wait for the apple festival or the winter carnival, just more 
horseshit events for her to bang down big bucks. 110th birthaday 
party, yeah i can name 30 other citys that celebrated such a gala 
event, rolling on the floor werner not being sarcastic, what a rip 
off chef didnt even show up, use this wasted money to buy the 
cameras. 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
 
  The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will 
 only find dead links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech 
 Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more.  Poor source of information for 
 people interested in Asbury Park.
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: 2fine4u sharon_b283@
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:18:56 AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
  
  It's an almost decent assessment, but the photos, definitely 
 should be
  replaced! No doubt! I think the Council, should place their own
  comments, don't you? The piece doesn't do Asbury enough justice,
  IMHO! I saw a jewel, no, the Pearl, I envision, when I talk about 
 AP!
  I was impressed to no end, with all of the activity and beauty, I
  surveyed. I am never one, to talk to strangers, and I found 
myself,
  talking to anyone, who would listen! People were smiling, enjoying
  the ocean, the boards; everything. I was happy as all get out and
  sorry, I hadn't taken advantage of the beautiful place, we call 
 home,
  before! Yeah, yeah, I know, we aren't THERE, yet, but you have to
  crawl, before you walk, as my dad, always said! There are REAL
  possibilities here! Now, if we could just get those cameras! Me, 
 who
  is a civil libertarian, stating this! I must be getting old!
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ .. wrote:
  
   
   Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
   
   1. Just some observations I've made recently. Reuters reports 
 that
   Wikipedia is now the top online news and information 
destination,
   according to Nielsen//NetRatings . Online encyclopedia 
Wikipedia 
 has
   added about 20 million unique monthly visitors in the past 
year. 
 In May,
   Wikipedia had 46.8 million unique visitors, up 72 percent from 
 June
   2006, NetRatings said. Wikipedia also has finished on top of 
the 
 news
   and information category every month this year -- ranking ahead 
 of
   Landmark Communications' Weather Channel site by an increasing 
 margin --
   topping out with a disparity of about 10 million visitors in 
May.
   
   2. As I understand it, the rank of results at Google is based 
on 
 what
   sites users are visiting. Right now, a search for  Asbury Park
   will show Wikipedia ranked as number 3 or 4 out of approximately
   2,000,000 hits.
   
   3. Here is the main entry about our city: Click here: Asbury 
 Park, New
   Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Asbury_Park% 2C_New_Jersey 
 Overall, not
   fully representative of The Rising of Asbury Rising.
   
   4. Here are the current comments at the talk page for that
   entry at Wikipedia: Click here: Talk:Asbury Park, New Jersey -
   Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Talk:Asbury_ Park%2C_New_ 
Jersey
   
    = = = = = 
==
   
   Talk: Asbury Park, New Jersey, From Wikipedia, the free 
 encyclopedia
   
   Negativity
   
   Is it just me or do the photos in this suggest a lot of 
 negativity?
   Crumbling, dilapidated,  vacant these are all used in the 
 captions
   of the photos and suggest the demise of the town. However, the 
 article
   doesn't talk about a decline and, instead, focuses on 
 redevelopment.
   What are the views on this? The photos seem to suggest one 
point 
 of view
   (that Asbury Park's a piece of crap [pardon the French]) and 
the 
 article
   suggests another (Asbury Park: Getting' better every day). 
 Thoughts? 12

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

 
 
Anne Frank was 13 when she started writing her diary.  Want to  question her 
letters?
 
Both the cited letter I provided and the legend are included in  the wiki 
entry on Max.  It was amended based on new info.  Unlike any  of your mistakes: 
(Using the legend as analogous proof of a godless school board  and judiciary 
which you ditto from the wingnut blogs.  You've inadvertently  transposed their 
misspellings which gave your sources away on more than one  occasion.)
 
Your responses today come before you could possibly have read any of  the 
technology, business, magazine articles, or the video support I  provided. They 
approximate primary sources far more than anything you've  posted on this 
thread.
 
Next time you fail to give sources for quotes in your columns, why not  head 
the column with This article lacks citations as Wiki does?  As far  as your 
smears, they're not permitted at Wiki where disputed info, unlike your  rants, 
is noted.  
 
Your responses are smarmy insults, mere assertions, and circular  reasoning, 
par for the course. 
 
An updated more accurate and more positive entry with  different or 
additional pictures at Wiki for AP was the purpose of the thread. 
No controversy was necessary.

BTW:
Maureen's comment was  Tommy - You're playing games again.  I  misquoted.
===
 
You're playing games, again.   The Past is Prologue.
 
===
In a message dated 7/30/2007 4:08:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

--- In  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My source was a  letter to the NYT by a holocaust survivor, still 
living who   
 was checked out.  

No, your source was someone trying to  recollect 50 years back, to 
when they were 13, awakened at 1:00 am.   T

At what point did this person recollect the announcer saying Get up  
Maxie?  After Max nearly took a knee against the ropes when the ref  
stepped in? After Joe knocked him down the 1st time?  The 2nd  time?  
The 3rd time?  

The legend has it that the radio  was cut after a knockdown.  Don't 
know which one.  Could have  been any of them, and the recollection 
you cite doesn't answer the  question.

That's called reliable info in Wiki world, not in the real  world.


 Sounds like an insult to me.   

It  was.

By the way, since the same Wiki article also speaks to the power  
being cut, which should the reader believe, your part of the article  
or the other part of the article?  Typical Wiki.


Also, if  I recall correctly, my column said something to the effect 
of legend has  it about the radio broadcast being cut. Haven't you 
pretty much proved  that I was telling the truth about that?  You've 
found numerous  sources, Wiki itself, citing the same thing.


Lastly on this, which  one of us is hijakcing the thread?  You are 
bringing up this stuff  from last year, not me.

 Maureen is right!  You're here just  to start cul de sac  arguments.

Maureen said that about me?   I must have missed it, unless it wasn't 
here that she said  it.

Don't care anyway, since I don't know what that  means.








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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  wasnt going to touch it unless someone else brought it up, well 
 tommy your the lawyer , you brought it up, laura jewell's cameras? as 
 much as we pay her is it her camera or the citys, is it her job or 
 will she ask for more money?  i ask this because if anyone reads that 
 book she put out celebrating the citys 110 birthday,  you can read it 
 if you like, she states everything connected with celebrate and 
 celebrate asbury park(including the pictures taken by HER camera) are 
 trademarks and service marks owned by jewell marketing ass. inc. so 
 let me figure this out, we ,being the taxpayers are paying for this , 
 yet she gets any and all royalites, again only in america!!

Well while we're at it, whose decision was it to put in a picture of
Loffredo with the realtor sign? Did taxpayers pay to promote big
john's re business? No hard feelings jb, only need to know.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread 2fine4u

I am so glad to see the huge response!  Taking my niece, down to the
boards, tomorrow or Wednesday; whichever day she decides to come down!
 In any event, just who is supposed to maintain the City's website? 
Is it a paid position?  I used to get an email once a week, but
haven't received any in a while, until the July 4th weekend, then
nothing again!  I really hated the picture of the old Howard Johnsons,
with the peeling paint, inside the eaves.  I was crushed, because like
the Asbury Park De-Pressed, we're always given a less than stellar
image! Thanks to all who have contributed.  Now if $850K can be spent
on a water park, which I think was over priced, why can't the City
sink $150K, to start installing some surveillance cameras?  Are we
asking for too much?  I am against Big Brother, but in common areas? 
C'mon!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Laura Jewell has access to many great photos from her own camera, 
 the City and the developers.  
 
 Maybe we should contact her to fix the Wiki.  It is her job anyway, 
 which will perhaps also get her past the Wiki editors when she makes 
 the changes.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
 
  The city can't ever maintain their own website.  Visitors will 
 only find dead links for Special Events, Places of Interest, Beech 
 Cam, Downtown Cam and so much more.  Poor source of information for 
 people interested in Asbury Park.
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: 2fine4u sharon_b283@
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:18:56 AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia
  
  It's an almost decent assessment, but the photos, definitely 
 should be
  replaced! No doubt! I think the Council, should place their own
  comments, don't you? 
  
  
  
  
  
 
  
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  that gives answers, not web links. 
  http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 You're playing games, again.   The Past is Prologue.



Whereof what's past is prologue, what to come
In yours and my discharge






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anne Frank was 13 when she started writing her diary.  Want to  
question her 
 letters?

Ann Frank's diary was written at the time of the events.

You're 13 year old was remembering something 50 years old.


Yes, I know this was about the Asbury Wike site.  So why did you bring 
up our argument from last year about Max?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 wasnt going to touch it unless someone else brought it up, well 
 tommy your the lawyer , you brought it up, laura jewell's cameras? 
as 
 much as we pay her is it her camera or the citys, is it her job or 
 will she ask for more money? 

I didn't know this was going to be an issue.  When I said Her 
camera  I was not giving an opinion on who owns what.  I wasn't 
even thinking of that.

All I meant was she takes pictures, and she is probably in 
possession of them, regardless of ownership.

My main point was that since she has a title with the City, they 
might accept her changes.

You see, when she makes the changes, it is likely that her changes 
will be immediately deleted.  

Then she will be contacted by the 10th grader in charge, demanding 
to know her credibility on the issue.  

The 10th grader will consult with his 9th grade assistant, and 
together they will decide if Laura's version of Asbury Park is 
acceptable to their view of reality. 

They will accept the assignment in study hall, and hopefully make a 
decision on behalf of Wiki before their Moms make them go to bed.

Certain persons on this Group will accept their decision as truth no 
matter what it is. 



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

In a message dated 7/30/2007 5:40:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

--- In  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anne  Frank was 13 when she started writing her diary.  Want to   
question her 
 letters?

Ann Frank's diary was written at  the time of the events.

You're 13 year old was remembering something 50  years old.



I suppose you'll dismiss Ken Burn's new documentary War due on TV this  
fall.   PBS is a actively recruiting WWII veterans to videotape  their memories 
from over 50 years ago.  Also, there was never a follow up  letter i the Times 
challenging the holocaust survivor's assertion.  A red  herring.

Yes, I know  this was about the Asbury Wike site.  So why did you bring 
up our  argument from last year about Max?  
The argument wasn't about Max; your column was yet another culture war  piece 
in which you used paper thin evidence to reiterate the silly See what  
liberals do!  See, See!
 
I referred to Max because it was my experience in using my account  to edit 
that article.  I was impressed with the scrutiny my  suggestion received, but 
you implied that Wiki is full of mistakes by kids;  i.e., there is no 
accountability at that site.  Where was the  accountability when you misplaced 
a 
statement,  by about 14 years, then put  quotation marks around a paraphrase to 
charge cut and run blah, blah,  blah.
 
I guess you have to stick to your guns and never ever admit to a mistake  
like a certain chief executive.  Your major assault on one of our  councilmen 
included making a fuss over his use of  Wiki to support  your Columbus Day 
tantrum.
 







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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

 
In a message dated 7/30/2007 5:52:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You see,  when she makes the changes, it is likely that her changes will be 
immediately  deleted.  Then she will be contacted by the 10th grader in charge, 
 demanding to know her credibility on the issue.  The 10th grader will  
consult with his 9th grade assistant, and together they will decide if Laura's  
version of Asbury Park is acceptable to their view of reality. They will  
accept 
the assignment in study hall, and hopefully make a decision on behalf  of Wiki 
before their Moms make them go to bed
TD continues to invent his own reality.  And not bother to read  sources 
other post here.
And he continues to use ridicule as an argument rather than keep up to date  
on the reality of the process.   
Many other web sites, like the movie database _http://www.imdb.com/_ 
(http://www.imdb.com/)   have in place options  for users to add content and 
comment, 
and ways to report abuse or needed  corrections.  Only TD's databases are 
beyond being corrected.  
 
From  
 
_Click  here: Wikipedia:Replies to common objections - Wikipedia, the free  
encyclopedia_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections)  
 
Replies to Common Objections.
 
 
Contents
[_hide_ (javascript:toggleToc()) ]
*   _1 Letting arbitrary Internet  users edit any article at will is 
absurd_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Letting_arbitrary_Internet_users_edit_any_article_at_will_is_absurd)
   
*   _1.1 My prose_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_t
o_common_objections#My_prose)   
*   _1.2 Cranks_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Cranks)   
*   _1.3 Trolls and  flamers_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Trolls_and_flamers)
   
*   _1.4 Amateurs_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Amateurs)  
 
*   _1.5 Partisans_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Partisans) 
  
*   _1.6 Advertisers_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Advertisers)
   
*   _1.7 Bots_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Bots)   
*   _1.8 Systemic  bias_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Systemic_bias)
   
*   _1.9 Deletion and  changes_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Deletion_and_changes)
  
*   _2 Wikipedia can never be high  quality_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Wikipedia_can_never_be_high_quality)
  
 
*   _2.1 Under  construction_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Under_construction)
   
*   _2.2 Shortage of  intellectuals_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Shortage_of_intellectuals)
   
*   _2.3 Motives of  intellectuals_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Motives_of_intellectuals)
   
*   _2.4 Errors and  omissions_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Errors_and_omissions)
   
*   _2.5 Stubs are  stupid_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Stubs_are_stupid)
   
*   _2.6 Standards_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Standards) 
  
*   _2.7 Selectivity_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Selectivity)
   
*   _2.8 Mixing ignorance and  knowledge_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Mixing_ignorance_and_knowledge)
   
*   _2.9 Attribution and  references_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Attribution_and_references)
   
*   _2.10 Accepting  edits_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Accepting_edits)
   
*   _2.11 Trustworthiness_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Trustworthiness)
   
*   _2.12 Quality of other  sources_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Quality_of_other_sources)
  
*   _3 Scalability_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Scalability)
   
*   _3.1 Quantity and  quality_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Quantity_and_quality)
   
*   _3.2 Rate of  growth_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Rate_of_growth)
   
*   _3.3 Success breeds  failure_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Success_breeds_failure)
   
*   _3.4 Slowness_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Replies_to_common_objections#Slowness)  
 
*   _4 Miscellaneous  concerns_

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

Mario I'm not sure why we ended up arguing over this.

I said in the beginning of the thread that I thought you were right.  
I believe the Wiki AP section needs to be updated.

Again, I said you were right about that.  Not sure what more I can do 
than say you are right about something.

I added also that I don't like Wiki as a reliable source.  That 
certainly isn't a knock against you personally.  I just don't trust 
the website.

I understand that you do trust it more than I do.

I don't know why that disagreement requires you and I to go back and 
forth at eachother like we did. For some reason, we fell into it.

I hope we can end this where we agree - updating the AP Wiki page is 
necessary, and appears to be underway.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Images at Wikipedia

2007-07-30 Thread oakdorf

-looks like much of the AP entry has been updated. 

there goes my night.





 
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