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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It sounds like the people who don't live or just moved here(Keady, 
 Hingie) or who own property here{Dan) don't care about bad public 
 relations but the old timers do, why is that? Dan you being a 
 Appraiser isn't it possible that Keadys remarks hurt property 
values? 
 I really wouldn't think so but that's your gig.

They could have, but that would be impossible to measure. In my gut 
I don't think it hurt values any more than the shootings themselves. 
Besides contrary belief, my issue is not criticisms of Keady, but 
rather character assination and although I like Tommy, his spin and 
distortion. No one deserves to be lied about. Everyone is 
responsible for whatthey say and do - not what is misinterpreted - 
purposefully.

Back to property values. What difference does it make if it is the 
truth. Now here is where I am a hypocrite. I'll say what difference 
is there between Keady's remarks about gangs and Fishman's comments 
in the NYT real estate section last year or so about it not being a 
good time to bring families here because the schools are not good? 
If they are both true they have a right to be said. I am 
hypocritical because I lambasted Larry for that (save you all the 
trouble of going back to find my messages).

I only hate Fishman for one reason - he is screwing up the chances 
of this redevelopment more than if each of us went on Good Morning 
America and said they were massacring people here. I don't know why 
you old-timers are not fuming at being soft-soaped. In no stretch 
of the imagination can the total lack of progress on the waterfront 
be considered reasonable. It is tantamount to the success of this 
city and it is just not right.

I told Allan to fuck off because I don't want to play games. As for 
rolemover, the more time you have been here and done nothing to move 
this city forward - the more shame on you. Also, I pay plenty of 
taxes and have chosen to keep my property for my family and not rent 
it out - which I could make a killing doing so. Maybe I'll change my 
mind and just say screw this city. Lastly, I would rather have 
someone in office that said something I didn;t like as long as it 
was the truth. I'm too old to have smoke blown up my ass.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-06 Thread Allan Peterson



Asbury spin zone?
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--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright" justifiedright@ ...wrote:Because that's her style. You haven't learned that yet?That wasn't the question or the answer Mareueen. Why would you say that? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, restore881FM@ wrote:   An Inconvenient Truth!! Very witty and very on the money.  Please take a listen when I pose the question to last week's Repubs and Dems  on Asbury Radio. I asked, essentially, if the role of elected officials should  be to screen their comments for publicity reasons. The guests each said that  they didn't want their public officials acting as PR people.  The sound is up
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-06 Thread Hinge

This might sound  naive, but how does anybody know if Keady told the truth or 
not?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote:
  
   
  Yeah but Keady didn't tell tell the truth Larry did.
 
 
 
 
 It sounds like the people who don't live or just moved here(Keady, 
   Hingie) or who own property here{Dan) don't care about bad public 
   relations but the old timers do, why is that? Dan you being a 
   Appraiser isn't it possible that Keadys remarks hurt property 
  values? 
   I really wouldn't think so but that's your gig.
  
  They could have, but that would be impossible to measure. In my gut 
  I don't think it hurt values any more than the shootings 
 themselves. 
  Besides contrary belief, my issue is not criticisms of Keady, but 
  rather character assination and although I like Tommy, his spin and 
  distortion. No one deserves to be lied about. Everyone is 
  responsible for whatthey say and do - not what is misinterpreted - 
  purposefully.
  
  Back to property values. What difference does it make if it is the 
  truth. Now here is where I am a hypocrite. I'll say what difference 
  is there between Keady's remarks about gangs and Fishman's comments 
  in the NYT real estate section last year or so about it not being a 
  good time to bring families here because the schools are not good? 
  If they are both true they have a right to be said. I am 
  hypocritical because I lambasted Larry for that (save you all the 
  trouble of going back to find my messages).
  
  I only hate Fishman for one reason - he is screwing up the chances 
  of this redevelopment more than if each of us went on Good Morning 
  America and said they were massacring people here. I don't know why 
  you old-timers are not fuming at being soft-soaped. In no stretch 
  of the imagination can the total lack of progress on the waterfront 
  be considered reasonable. It is tantamount to the success of this 
  city and it is just not right.
  
  I told Allan to fuck off because I don't want to play games. As for 
  rolemover, the more time you have been here and done nothing to 
 move 
  this city forward - the more shame on you. Also, I pay plenty of 
  taxes and have chosen to keep my property for my family and not 
 rent 
  it out - which I could make a killing doing so. Maybe I'll change 
 my 
  mind and just say screw this city. Lastly, I would rather have 
  someone in office that said something I didn;t like as long as it 
  was the truth. I'm too old to have smoke blown up my ass.
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This might sound  naive, but how does anybody know if Keady told the 
truth or not?


They don't as I've told them before. No one has read the articles 
carefully enough. The bigger message is one they do not want to hear so 
they miss the rest. Read the articles, the info is there. I'm not doing 
anyone's work for them.






 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 It sounds like the people who don't live or just moved here(Keady, 
   Hingie) or who own property here{Dan) don't care about bad public 
   relations but the old timers do, why is that?

Yeah Fred, I'm really into losing money.






 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Yeah but Keady didn't tell tell the truth Larry did.

You have no idea of the former. Larry doesn;t have to tell the truth. 
He is a developer. He is supposed to spread pr, a politician shouldn't. 
There are enough cheerleaders in this town. What about Al Giobbie flip 
flop? You have nothing to say about that? It is not the message that is 
at issue but the messenger. That's my whole point, but what's the use.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-06 Thread Fred

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote:
 
   
I think Al jumped the gun in both articles and I think Jim did too. 3 
wrongs don't make a right. It's over until the next shooting. 
I have this feeling that none of the past 2 shootings were gang 
related. I think they were all over a girl including the murder that 
happened after Jim's Blodd remarks to ABC News.. 




Yeah but Keady didn't tell tell the truth Larry did.
 
 You have no idea of the former. Larry doesn;t have to tell the truth. 
 He is a developer. He is supposed to spread pr, a politician 
shouldn't. 
 There are enough cheerleaders in this town. What about Al Giobbie 
flip 
 flop? You have nothing to say about that? It is not the message that 
is 
 at issue but the messenger. That's my whole point, but what's the use.






 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think Al jumped the gun in both articles and I think Jim did 
too. 3 
 wrongs don't make a right. It's over until the next shooting. 
 I have this feeling that none of the past 2 shootings were gang 
 related. I think they were all over a girl including the murder 
that 
 happened after Jim's Blodd remarks to ABC News.. 


I don't know if they were gang related but there sure seems to be 
gang activity here. Let's see what APPD said in 2004. As of that 
date there were over 4,000 bloods in the state. You don;t think 
there were a significant number here? With all the drug and crime 
activity here? Fred, the truth of the matter is if Keady had 
absolute proof or even under estimated he would still be damned by 
those same people now.

I know it appears stupid me harping on this GUMBA NIGHT with Tommy, 
but that proves the point. If Keady, or another whipping boy of 
Tommy's issued that release there would be hell to pay. But there 
isn;t now is there?

My motive is not to prove anyone wrong, that includes my favorite 
whipping boys - Fishman, Bruno, et al. I wish for nothing more that 
they had done everything right and not given me reason to complain. 
I will go very happily into the woodwork. This has caused me nothing 
but money and aggravation.

I want their to be no gangs. I want to the beachfront to be already 
developed as it should be. I also want to be 6'2 and have a full 
head of hair.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-06 Thread justifiedright

Dan the Man,

I have a deal with Dan J not to put my columns up anywhere before 
the triCityNews comes out on Thursdays.

Right now Gumba is first in line to go Thursday.  However I've got 2 
other stories in the hopper that may have to go first.

IF that happens, I'll post Gumba here.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote:
 
  I think Al jumped the gun in both articles and I think Jim did 
 too. 3 
  wrongs don't make a right. It's over until the next shooting. 
  I have this feeling that none of the past 2 shootings were gang 
  related. I think they were all over a girl including the murder 
 that 
  happened after Jim's Blodd remarks to ABC News.. 
 
 
 I don't know if they were gang related but there sure seems to be 
 gang activity here. Let's see what APPD said in 2004. As of that 
 date there were over 4,000 bloods in the state. You don;t think 
 there were a significant number here? With all the drug and crime 
 activity here? Fred, the truth of the matter is if Keady had 
 absolute proof or even under estimated he would still be damned by 
 those same people now.
 
 I know it appears stupid me harping on this GUMBA NIGHT with 
Tommy, 
 but that proves the point. If Keady, or another whipping boy of 
 Tommy's issued that release there would be hell to pay. But there 
 isn;t now is there?
 
 My motive is not to prove anyone wrong, that includes my favorite 
 whipping boys - Fishman, Bruno, et al. I wish for nothing more 
that 
 they had done everything right and not given me reason to 
complain. 
 I will go very happily into the woodwork. This has caused me 
nothing 
 but money and aggravation.
 
 I want their to be no gangs. I want to the beachfront to be 
already 
 developed as it should be. I also want to be 6'2 and have a full 
 head of hair.






 
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Tom, he just wants to be sure you are not all talk.  Rememeber, DAN 
is the one that was holding up the Metro site because as soon as then 
took down C8 he was going to bring on a lawsuit.
 
Which I decided not to do. I am not wasting my money in this town 
anymore. And why should I use my money to bring the lawsuit? For the 
city to be able to get some more money? Why should I do that? They'll 
just spend it foolishly. The truth is what it is. My issue had nothing 
to do with the Esperanza which I think is a good project and should be 
built. It was a matter of that it could not be built without amendation 
of the WRP. The city wants you to beleive in science fiction. As I said 
from the beginning, all it had to do was amend the plan and ask for 
nothing in return. It could have made its case for that. I've looked 
not to put one penny in my pocket - only in the public coffers. I made 
up nothing, from the Triangle to today, but truthfully - I don't care 
anymore. The people of AP are just too used to being taken advantage 
of. I will not disturb you of your notions, just don't try to make true 
what isn't. So yes, I was all talk with regard to C-8. When it comes to 
putting my money in a lawsuit I back off. But I'm enough of a man to 
admit it. And all of my talk was/true and based on facts - that's the 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-06 Thread restore881FM





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OUCH!



So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama
 
 fuck off Allan






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread Allan Peterson



Say if the number is 25 -50 members of this specific gang? I will "wake up" when he provides the proof. This request is not unreasonable. 

- Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:21:44 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I am not for sugar coating the truth but I am for the truth. If Larry Fishman went on the news and say the development is well underway how many posts would be on this board bitching and moaning? Yes there are buildings going up but not 200.   I am well aware that gangs are all over. That is not my issue or the issue the UZE, Coaster etc the issue is why did he say 200 on tv? Because he probably has support for that number. Read a little closer. Whats if its 300, 400? 500? Will that make you and UEZ happy? There could be 1 million and those complaining would complain. You know what brought bad press? The shooting. It was not an isolated incident. Those who will stay away don't need any additional excuses besides the recent
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread Allan Peterson



Awww that was nice. Sorry DAN did not mean to make you cry. What are we 8 here? You can provide as many articles you want that will back Keady and we can find just as many other that won't. Don't bother with that game. You take Keady too personally. I am not calling him names or others (while I do hold some words for you). 
- Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:23:50 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)

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If Keady jumped ship and backed Fishman Dan would turn on him in a 
second, he wouldn't respect his words anymore. That's their only 
link. Hate for Fish and Co.



 Awww that was nice.  Sorry DAN did not mean to make you cry.  What 
are we 8 here?  You can provide as many articles you want that will 
back Keady and we can find just as many other that won't.  Don't 
bother with that game.  You take Keady too personally.  I am not 
calling him names or others (while I do hold some words for you).  
 
 
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 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:23:50 PM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson 
nnjallans1@ ... 
 wrote:
 
  So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama
 
 fuck off Allan






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread Hinge

Here's a new spin to the JK negativity.
Instead of people outside of AP being worried about coming here due to bad 
publicity 
(which is just an ugly truth that some people want to keep hush hush), I think 
that some 
people, like Allan, won't be getting my business because of the bad PR they are 
bringing 
themselves due to the ugly and negative attitude they are showing us.
While I think Allans store looks intriguing, i'll never spend a penny there 
because of the 
things he posts from time to time.
I don't think he deserved a fuck off though.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Awww that was nice.  Sorry DAN did not mean to make you cry.  What are we 8 
 here?  
You can provide as many articles you want that will back Keady and we can find 
just as 
many other that won't.  Don't bother with that game.  You take Keady too 
personally.  I am 
not calling him names or others (while I do hold some words for you).  
 
 
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 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:23:50 PM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... 
 wrote:
 
  So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama
 
 fuck off Allan






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread asburycouple

Let me start by prefacing with the fact I didn't personally see the 
comments attributed to Jim.  That said, I have read many of the posts 
here and based on the back and forth my issue with Keady is perhaps a 
bit different than many I read.  

I don't believe the debate is whether his statement was right or 
wrong, too few or too many.  The issue is really whether Jim, in 
seeking and getting the responsibility to represent us as an elected 
official, has an obligation to speak more carefully and promote the 
city rather than point out the negatives in a venue such as ABC.  

That's not to say he should not fight the issues he believes are 
important, just that as an elected official there is a time and a 
place.  As an elected official he is no longer just the community 
advocate who can say anything in any venue.  The citizens of AP 
entrusted him with a responsibility not just to fix the bad but to 
promote the good.  He seems to forget that there are people he is now 
responsible for representing (homeowners, business owners, etc.) who 
rely the continued positive momentum and press AP has recieved over 
the past several years.  Many have staked their life savings to this 
momentum.  To have someone that has been elected to serve their 
interests so directly highlight the negatives so aggressively to the 
entire region seems like a violation of trust. 

To me this is not about truth.  This is about being more responsible 
to the voters and citizens of AP than to his own agenda or the 
viewers of ABC.  And there I believe he failed.  I believe he failed 
me.







 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
I'm sure by you not going to his store, is keepiing him in the red.


It sounds like the people who don't live or just moved here(Keady, 
Hingie) or who own property here{Dan) don't care about bad public 
relations but the old timers do, why is that? Dan you being a 
Appraiser isn't it possible that Keadys remarks hurt property values? 
I really wouldn't think so but that's your gig.





re's a new spin to the JK negativity.
 Instead of people outside of AP being worried about coming here due 
to bad publicity 
 (which is just an ugly truth that some people want to keep hush 
hush), I think that some 
 people, like Allan, won't be getting my business because of the bad 
PR they are bringing 
 themselves due to the ugly and negative attitude they are showing 
us.
 While I think Allans store looks intriguing, i'll never spend a 
penny there because of the 
 things he posts from time to time.
 I don't think he deserved a fuck off though.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
wrote:
 
  Awww that was nice.  Sorry DAN did not mean to make you cry.  
What are we 8 here?  
 You can provide as many articles you want that will back Keady and 
we can find just as 
 many other that won't.  Don't bother with that game.  You take 
Keady too personally.  I am 
 not calling him names or others (while I do hold some words for 
you).  
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:23:50 PM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson 
nnjallans1@ ... 
  wrote:
  
   So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama
  
  fuck off Allan
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread rolemover

well said

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Let me start by prefacing with the fact I didn't personally see the 
 comments attributed to Jim.  That said, I have read many of the posts 
 here and based on the back and forth my issue with Keady is perhaps a 
 bit different than many I read.  
 
 I don't believe the debate is whether his statement was right or 
 wrong, too few or too many.  The issue is really whether Jim, in 
 seeking and getting the responsibility to represent us as an elected 
 official, has an obligation to speak more carefully and promote the 
 city rather than point out the negatives in a venue such as ABC.  
 
 That's not to say he should not fight the issues he believes are 
 important, just that as an elected official there is a time and a 
 place.  As an elected official he is no longer just the community 
 advocate who can say anything in any venue.  The citizens of AP 
 entrusted him with a responsibility not just to fix the bad but to 
 promote the good.  He seems to forget that there are people he is now 
 responsible for representing (homeowners, business owners, etc.) who 
 rely the continued positive momentum and press AP has recieved over 
 the past several years.  Many have staked their life savings to this 
 momentum.  To have someone that has been elected to serve their 
 interests so directly highlight the negatives so aggressively to the 
 entire region seems like a violation of trust. 
 
 To me this is not about truth.  This is about being more responsible 
 to the voters and citizens of AP than to his own agenda or the 
 viewers of ABC.  And there I believe he failed.  I believe he failed 
 me.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread Hinge

I really care about bad public relations concerning AP.
Here's a quick little story. I have a friend who lives in Montclair. She was 
planning a visit 
around Halloween, and when we were talking about it, she said I don't have to 
worry 
about being shot, do I? How do you think that made me feel?
Where did she get her info? Not from the ABC news thing, but a few days earlier 
in the NY 
Times.
That being said, I think it sucks that we have this stigma hanging over our 
heads, but I 
also think that focusing on the ABC/JK/200 bloods thing  isn't really looking 
at the big 
picture. 
How about 19 yr. old kids having guns? And if we have a gang presence here, 
isn't that 
where the cheap guns are coming from? What about the drugs? AP has been a 
destination 
to get drugs for decades? Where do you think that comes from?
Those are the issues that need to be addressed, not bad PR. Asbury has had bad 
PR for 
decades. I really don't think one more bad PR incident defines the city, 
Asburys history 
does that all by itself.
I love living here. Funny thing is, my boss is worried about me, and asks if 
all the 
problems make me want to move out. My answer is always the same. No, I love 
Asbury.
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  
 I'm sure by you not going to his store, is keepiing him in the red.
 
 
 It sounds like the people who don't live or just moved here(Keady, 
 Hingie) or who own property here{Dan) don't care about bad public 
 relations but the old timers do, why is that? Dan you being a 
 Appraiser isn't it possible that Keadys remarks hurt property values? 
 I really wouldn't think so but that's your gig.
 
 
 
 
 
 re's a new spin to the JK negativity.
  Instead of people outside of AP being worried about coming here due 
 to bad publicity 
  (which is just an ugly truth that some people want to keep hush 
 hush), I think that some 
  people, like Allan, won't be getting my business because of the bad 
 PR they are bringing 
  themselves due to the ugly and negative attitude they are showing 
 us.
  While I think Allans store looks intriguing, i'll never spend a 
 penny there because of the 
  things he posts from time to time.
  I don't think he deserved a fuck off though.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
  
   Awww that was nice.  Sorry DAN did not mean to make you cry.  
 What are we 8 here?  
  You can provide as many articles you want that will back Keady and 
 we can find just as 
  many other that won't.  Don't bother with that game.  You take 
 Keady too personally.  I am 
  not calling him names or others (while I do hold some words for 
 you).  
   
   
   - Original Message 
   From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@
   To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:23:50 PM
   Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
   
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson 
 nnjallans1@ ... 
   wrote:
   
So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama
   
   fuck off Allan
  
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 




That is the bottom line




Let me start by prefacing with the fact I didn't personally see the 
 comments attributed to Jim.  That said, I have read many of the 
posts 
 here and based on the back and forth my issue with Keady is perhaps 
a 
 bit different than many I read.  
 
 I don't believe the debate is whether his statement was right or 
 wrong, too few or too many.  The issue is really whether Jim, in 
 seeking and getting the responsibility to represent us as an 
elected 
 official, has an obligation to speak more carefully and promote the 
 city rather than point out the negatives in a venue such as ABC.  
 
 That's not to say he should not fight the issues he believes are 
 important, just that as an elected official there is a time and a 
 place.  As an elected official he is no longer just the community 
 advocate who can say anything in any venue.  The citizens of AP 
 entrusted him with a responsibility not just to fix the bad but to 
 promote the good.  He seems to forget that there are people he is 
now 
 responsible for representing (homeowners, business owners, etc.) 
who 
 rely the continued positive momentum and press AP has recieved over 
 the past several years.  Many have staked their life savings to 
this 
 momentum.  To have someone that has been elected to serve their 
 interests so directly highlight the negatives so aggressively to 
the 
 entire region seems like a violation of trust. 
 
 To me this is not about truth.  This is about being more 
responsible 
 to the voters and citizens of AP than to his own agenda or the 
 viewers of ABC.  And there I believe he failed.  I believe he 
failed 
 me.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-05 Thread Allan Peterson

Hinge,

What people do not realize is that there has been success in Asbury. Even if the buildings that are close to be completed never went up, the town has changed. In part to the development rights being removed from the courts. The success of the town cam from people like me who bought a house, renovated and now live in it. I maintain my property etc. The store owner are another example. The town today is better than it was in 2001. If Keady is correct that there are 200 Blood gang members here then there is no issue. Show us the proof. If his statement is false, while it may not be the only reason it would add to the list of reasons not to invest in this town for others. We don't need additional reasons to keep people away. We have enough real reasons we don't need false reasons. In addition as a resident I would much rather
hear how the police is on the case etc. Not that the problem is bigger than it may be.
- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 9:51:23 AMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

Here's a new spin to the JK negativity.Instead of people outside of AP being worried about coming here due to bad publicity (which is just an ugly truth that some people want to keep hush hush), I think that some people, like Allan, won't be getting my business because of the bad PR they are bringing themselves due to the ugly and negative attitude they are showing us.While I think Allans store looks intriguing, i'll never spend a penny there because of the things he posts from time to time.I don't think he deserved a "fuck off" though.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Awww that was nice. Sorry DAN did not mean to make you cry. What are we 8 here? You can provide as many articles you want that will back Keady and we can find just as many other that won't. Don't bother with that game. You
take Keady too personally. I am not calling him names or others (while I do hold some words for you).- Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 8:23:50 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama fuck off Allan

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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-04 Thread dfsavgny

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am not for sugar coating the truth but I am for the truth.  If 
Larry Fishman went on the news and say the development is well 
underway how many posts would be on this board bitching and 
moaning?  Yes there are buildings going up but not 200.  
 
 I am well aware that gangs are all over.  That is not my issue or 
the issue the UZE, Coaster etc the issue is why did he say 200 on 
tv?   


Because he probably has support for that number. Read a little 
closer. Whats if its 300, 400? 500? Will that make you and UEZ 
happy? There could be 1 million and those complaining would 
complain. You know what brought bad press? The shooting. It was not 
an isolated incident. Those who will stay away don't need any 
additional excuses besides the recent shootings. Wake up.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-04 Thread dfsavgny

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 So when he is chased out of Asbury he can go to Alabama

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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-04 Thread rolemover

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny (i have been in town 15 mins dan) 
thats 
what they call me[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont know my ass from my elbow

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
 
  I am not for sugar coating the truth but I am for the truth.  If 
 Larry Fishman went on the news and say the development is well 
 underway how many posts would be on this board bitching and 
 moaning?  Yes there are buildings going up but not 200.  
  
  I am well aware that gangs are all over.  That is not my issue or 
 the issue the UZE, Coaster etc the issue is why did he say 200 on 
 tv?   
 
 
 Because he probably has support for that number. Read a little 
 closer. Whats if its 300, 400? 500? Will that make you and UEZ 
 happy? There could be 1 million and those complaining would 
 complain. You know what brought bad press? The shooting. It was not 
 an isolated incident. Those who will stay away don't need any 
 additional excuses besides the recent shootings. Wake up.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit.
Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be 
the exact 
number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in 
our town. The 
sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the 
truth...hush 
hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is.
What a joke. Just disgusting.
And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar...claiming it hurt their 
business and it'll 
prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of 
neglect, crime, 
drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady.
And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. 
Most 
unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and 
neither was the rest 
of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. 
Unfriendly places keep me away.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In reference to NJ  Dave'scomment: 
 
 
 Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the  
 thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door.  
 Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him  
 elected. 
 
 
 
 
 
 As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in  the 
 last election.
  
 The tactics being used against him in recent months are so  contemptible to 
 me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting  criteria.
  
 e.g.:   Asking him to read the letter from the  UEZ.  And especially, if 
 true, the reports here that it was done with  malicious glee. And then there 
 are 
 the commie and assassination  accusation!
  
 Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column.  He  should look up 
 what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the  engineer / 
 Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard.
  
 
 Original Message 
  
 Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)  Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 
 A.M. Eastern Standard Time  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com)   
 Sent on:
 
  
  
 Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the  
 thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door.  
 Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him  
 elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People.  
 Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. 
 
 Is Jim  a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look 
 where politics  have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected 
 officials are presented to  us, and 'rented' by special interests. 
 
 I think more of our elected  officials should take a page from the Jim 
 Keady handbook.
 
 He might  piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the 
 special  interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

If there isn't a substantial gang problem in AP, then why are things like this 
happening?
This is from Sept. 29 of this year;

FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP  Police have identified more than 200 gang members in 
Neptune, 
Red Bank, Freehold, Long Branch and Asbury Park, and another 200 in the county 
jail, 
many of whom are from Monmouth County, according to county Prosecutor Luis 
Valentin.

Gang activity has also been detected in suburbs, including Howell, Matawan, 
Manasquan 
and Belmar, Valentin said Thursday at a conference on gangs.

The county's relative affluence does not make it immune from gangs, he said. 
Among 
those operating here are the Bloods, Crips, Almighty Latin King/Queen Nation, 
Mexican 
and Central American gangs, motorcycle gangs, and hate and extremist groups, 
the 
prosecutor said.

He did not want to alarm residents, but he wanted to educate them about the 
perils and 
presence of gang activity and make sure children know gang members should never 
be 
role models, Valentin said.

Thursday's conference at the county Police Academy was not open to the public, 
but 
reporters were invited in for the initial opening remarks. The conference was 
one of the 
quarterly gatherings the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey plans to hold in 
different parts 
of the state so police can share information on gangs. The office conducted a 
statewide 
gang intelligence conference earlier this year.

About 160 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, county and local 
departments 
attended on Thursday. Represented locally were Aberdeen, Asbury Park, Belmar, 
Bradley 
Beach, Freehold, Hazlet, Highlands, Howell, Keyport, Lakewood, Little Silver, 
Long Branch, 
Manasquan, Matawan, Middletown, Neptune, Red Bank, Sea Bright, Union Beach, 
West Long 
Branch, and the prosecutor's offices from Monmouth and Ocean counties.

U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said gangs are not just a law enforcement 
problem, 
but a socioeconomic problem. In cities such as Newark and Irvington, police are 
fighting to 
take streets back from gangs, he said. Federal laws can help in the battle, he 
said.

In the federal corrections system, there is no parole, and criminals serve 
their time in 
prisons outside New Jersey, making it much more difficult for them to run their 
criminal 
enterprises from behind bars, Christie said. It also makes it tougher for 
fellow gang 
members to keep in contact with them, he said.

Christie's office has become known for prosecuting political corruption cases. 
In the next 
four years, Christie said, he also wants his office to be recognized for taking 
on gangs.

We're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, he told the officers.

Anti-gang initiatives

In July, Bloods members were reportedly arrested in Keansburg and Asbury Park. 
In June, 
22 members of Los Cafeteros and Sureno 13 were taken into custody in Red Bank, 
and in 
November, seven MS-13 members were arrested in Lakewood, authorities said at 
the time.

Asbury Park and Lakewood were among a dozen or so municipalities chosen earlier 
this 
year to participate in Operation CeaseFire, a state anti-gang program.

Long Branch Public Safety Director William A. Richards said his department also 
has a 
number of anti-gang initiatives.

We don't have what I would characterize as a virulent gang problem, as 
evidenced by 
criminal activity associated with gangs, but it's certainly something we keep 
an eye on, he 
said.

Thursday's event was co-sponsored by the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, 
the 
Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network and the 
East 
Coast Gang Investigators Association.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In reference to NJ  Dave'scomment: 
 
 
 Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the  
 thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door.  
 Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him  
 elected. 
 
 
 
 
 
 As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in  the 
 last election.
  
 The tactics being used against him in recent months are so  contemptible to 
 me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting  criteria.
  
 e.g.:   Asking him to read the letter from the  UEZ.  And especially, if 
 true, the reports here that it was done with  malicious glee. And then there 
 are 
 the commie and assassination  accusation!
  
 Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column.  He  should look up 
 what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the  engineer / 
 Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard.
  
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-03 Thread Fred

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks for finding that 200 gan members county wide. NOT 200 BLOOD in 
AP. As for the Wonder Bar for Debbie to treat you like she did then 
you must have done something.. She is a wonderfulperson and the 
Wonder Bar is a great place.




 If there isn't a substantial gang problem in AP, then why are things 
like this happening?
 This is from Sept. 29 of this year;
 
 FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP  Police have identified more than 200 gang 
members in Neptune, 
 Red Bank, Freehold, Long Branch and Asbury Park, and another 200 in 
the county jail, 
 many of whom are from Monmouth County, according to county 
Prosecutor Luis Valentin.
 
 Gang activity has also been detected in suburbs, including Howell, 
Matawan, Manasquan 
 and Belmar, Valentin said Thursday at a conference on gangs.
 
 The county's relative affluence does not make it immune from gangs, 
he said. Among 
 those operating here are the Bloods, Crips, Almighty Latin 
King/Queen Nation, Mexican 
 and Central American gangs, motorcycle gangs, and hate and 
extremist groups, the 
 prosecutor said.
 
 He did not want to alarm residents, but he wanted to educate them 
about the perils and 
 presence of gang activity and make sure children know gang members 
should never be 
 role models, Valentin said.
 
 Thursday's conference at the county Police Academy was not open to 
the public, but 
 reporters were invited in for the initial opening remarks. The 
conference was one of the 
 quarterly gatherings the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey plans 
to hold in different parts 
 of the state so police can share information on gangs. The office 
conducted a statewide 
 gang intelligence conference earlier this year.
 
 About 160 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, county and 
local departments 
 attended on Thursday. Represented locally were Aberdeen, Asbury 
Park, Belmar, Bradley 
 Beach, Freehold, Hazlet, Highlands, Howell, Keyport, Lakewood, 
Little Silver, Long Branch, 
 Manasquan, Matawan, Middletown, Neptune, Red Bank, Sea Bright, 
Union Beach, West Long 
 Branch, and the prosecutor's offices from Monmouth and Ocean 
counties.
 
 U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said gangs are not just a law 
enforcement problem, 
 but a socioeconomic problem. In cities such as Newark and 
Irvington, police are fighting to 
 take streets back from gangs, he said. Federal laws can help in the 
battle, he said.
 
 In the federal corrections system, there is no parole, and 
criminals serve their time in 
 prisons outside New Jersey, making it much more difficult for them 
to run their criminal 
 enterprises from behind bars, Christie said. It also makes it 
tougher for fellow gang 
 members to keep in contact with them, he said.
 
 Christie's office has become known for prosecuting political 
corruption cases. In the next 
 four years, Christie said, he also wants his office to be 
recognized for taking on gangs.
 
 We're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, he told the 
officers.
 
 Anti-gang initiatives
 
 In July, Bloods members were reportedly arrested in Keansburg and 
Asbury Park. In June, 
 22 members of Los Cafeteros and Sureno 13 were taken into custody 
in Red Bank, and in 
 November, seven MS-13 members were arrested in Lakewood, 
authorities said at the time.
 
 Asbury Park and Lakewood were among a dozen or so municipalities 
chosen earlier this 
 year to participate in Operation CeaseFire, a state anti-gang 
program.
 
 Long Branch Public Safety Director William A. Richards said his 
department also has a 
 number of anti-gang initiatives.
 
 We don't have what I would characterize as a virulent gang 
problem, as evidenced by 
 criminal activity associated with gangs, but it's certainly 
something we keep an eye on, he 
 said.
 
 Thursday's event was co-sponsored by the Monmouth County 
Prosecutor's Office, the 
 Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network 
and the East 
 Coast Gang Investigators Association.
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
   
  In reference to NJ  Dave'scomment: 
  
  
  Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to 
the  
  thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by 
door.  
  Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get 
him  
  elected. 
  
  
  
  
  
  As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim 
in  the 
  last election.
   
  The tactics being used against him in recent months are so  
contemptible to 
  me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting  criteria.
   
  e.g.:   Asking him to read the letter from the  UEZ.  And 
especially, if 
  true, the reports here that it was done with  malicious glee. And 
then there are 
  the commie and assassination  accusation!
   
  Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column.  He  
should look up 
  what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the

[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

First off, making a comment like you must have done something is a
joke. I was working at The Wonderbar, doing sound. I'm a complete
professional at my job, and i've been doing it for 30 years.
Her cold attitude began from moment one, and i'm being honest when I
say that if was an unfriendly place to work.
I'm sure Debbie is a wonderful person, but i'm relating my experience
on a particular night, so don't tell me that I must have done
something wrong. I've worked in practically every club in this
country, and all over Europe as well, and I think i'm a pretty good
judge of what an unfriendly place is like.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
 
 Thanks for finding that 200 gan members county wide. NOT 200 BLOOD in 
 AP. As for the Wonder Bar for Debbie to treat you like she did then 
 you must have done something.. She is a wonderfulperson and the 
 Wonder Bar is a great place.
 
 
 
 
  If there isn't a substantial gang problem in AP, then why are things 
 like this happening?
  This is from Sept. 29 of this year;
  
  FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP  Police have identified more than 200 gang 
 members in Neptune, 
  Red Bank, Freehold, Long Branch and Asbury Park, and another 200 in 
 the county jail, 
  many of whom are from Monmouth County, according to county 
 Prosecutor Luis Valentin.
  
  Gang activity has also been detected in suburbs, including Howell, 
 Matawan, Manasquan 
  and Belmar, Valentin said Thursday at a conference on gangs.
  
  The county's relative affluence does not make it immune from gangs, 
 he said. Among 
  those operating here are the Bloods, Crips, Almighty Latin 
 King/Queen Nation, Mexican 
  and Central American gangs, motorcycle gangs, and hate and 
 extremist groups, the 
  prosecutor said.
  
  He did not want to alarm residents, but he wanted to educate them 
 about the perils and 
  presence of gang activity and make sure children know gang members 
 should never be 
  role models, Valentin said.
  
  Thursday's conference at the county Police Academy was not open to 
 the public, but 
  reporters were invited in for the initial opening remarks. The 
 conference was one of the 
  quarterly gatherings the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey plans 
 to hold in different parts 
  of the state so police can share information on gangs. The office 
 conducted a statewide 
  gang intelligence conference earlier this year.
  
  About 160 law enforcement personnel from federal, state, county and 
 local departments 
  attended on Thursday. Represented locally were Aberdeen, Asbury 
 Park, Belmar, Bradley 
  Beach, Freehold, Hazlet, Highlands, Howell, Keyport, Lakewood, 
 Little Silver, Long Branch, 
  Manasquan, Matawan, Middletown, Neptune, Red Bank, Sea Bright, 
 Union Beach, West Long 
  Branch, and the prosecutor's offices from Monmouth and Ocean 
 counties.
  
  U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said gangs are not just a law 
 enforcement problem, 
  but a socioeconomic problem. In cities such as Newark and 
 Irvington, police are fighting to 
  take streets back from gangs, he said. Federal laws can help in the 
 battle, he said.
  
  In the federal corrections system, there is no parole, and 
 criminals serve their time in 
  prisons outside New Jersey, making it much more difficult for them 
 to run their criminal 
  enterprises from behind bars, Christie said. It also makes it 
 tougher for fellow gang 
  members to keep in contact with them, he said.
  
  Christie's office has become known for prosecuting political 
 corruption cases. In the next 
  four years, Christie said, he also wants his office to be 
 recognized for taking on gangs.
  
  We're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with you, he told the 
 officers.
  
  Anti-gang initiatives
  
  In July, Bloods members were reportedly arrested in Keansburg and 
 Asbury Park. In June, 
  22 members of Los Cafeteros and Sureno 13 were taken into custody 
 in Red Bank, and in 
  November, seven MS-13 members were arrested in Lakewood, 
 authorities said at the time.
  
  Asbury Park and Lakewood were among a dozen or so municipalities 
 chosen earlier this 
  year to participate in Operation CeaseFire, a state anti-gang 
 program.
  
  Long Branch Public Safety Director William A. Richards said his 
 department also has a 
  number of anti-gang initiatives.
  
  We don't have what I would characterize as a virulent gang 
 problem, as evidenced by 
  criminal activity associated with gangs, but it's certainly 
 something we keep an eye on, he 
  said.
  
  Thursday's event was co-sponsored by the Monmouth County 
 Prosecutor's Office, the 
  Middle Atlantic-Great Lakes Organized Crime Law Enforcement Network 
 and the East 
  Coast Gang Investigators Association.
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
  

   In reference to NJ  Dave'scomment: 
   
   
   Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening

[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-03 Thread Kevin Brown

Greetings from Long Branch:

I find it rather interesting how the business community can now beat up 
Mr. Keady, because he had the courage to admit there is a gang 
prescence in Asbury.

The politicians of the Culture of Corruption deny the negetives and 
create unfounded positives, all in a manner of promotion of an agenda.

What if - people came to Asbury under the false impression there is no 
violence problem there, hiding facts relevent to what is going on in a 
given community could open a community up to liability.  We have seen 
that in times pasted when a community hides health and public related 
issues.  (ie: cancer clusters, electro magnetic fallout, brown fields 
etc)

It was extremely courageous of Keady to admit a problem.  Instead of 
bashing him, you all should be working on controlling addition violent 
episodes there.

Before anyone dare assail him for his concern and opinion of the gang 
violence in Asbury Park, they should produce evidence that he is wrong 
or shut up.  Having no basis of FACT for demanding his resignation and 
relocation out of town - those who make such a demand should be 
looking to relocate themselves.

Speaking the truth is a seldom occurence in New Jersey.  We should 
support and rally to those in elected office who dare to do so.

Now get out those rosaries and ask the beads to protect you from my 
opinion on even this matter.

LOL

Rev. Kevin Brown


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the 
 thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park.  Door by door.  
 Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him 
 elected.  Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. 
 Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. 
 
 Is Jim a politician?  Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look 
 where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected 
 officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. 
 
 I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim 
 Keady handbook.
 
 He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for 
the 
 special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage.

I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property.

- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit.Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is.What a joke. Just disgusting.And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady.And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment:Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the last election. The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria. e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the "commie" and assassination
accusation! Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard." Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to
get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim Keady handbook. He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill for the special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a voice.

__._,_.___

[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-03 Thread Fred

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


 Well spoken.





 I disagree.  He should not have given out that number unless there 
are facts to back up.  The town is too small in size and 200 would 
represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of 
control.  People have risked everything to create businesses, fix 
homes etc.  This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage.  
 
 I am sure gangs exist but 200 members?  Well organized?  If that 
was the case then he should show his facts.  I don't think people 
have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town.  It 
is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers.  
Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball 
programs?  More homeless shelters?  Rent control?  All his intentions 
are good just not for ocean front property.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
 
 This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit.
 Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It 
may not be the exact 
 number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many 
of them in our town. The 
 sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to 
not tell the truth...hush 
 hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is.
 What a joke. Just disgusting.
 And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt 
their business and it'll 
 prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys 
legacy of neglect, crime, 
 drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady.
 And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past 
summer. Most 
 unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to 
me, and neither was the rest 
 of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. 
 Unfriendly places keep me away.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote:
 
  
  In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: 
  
  
  Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to 
the 
  thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. 
  Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get 
him 
  elected. 
  
  
  
  
  
  As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim 
in the 
  last election.
  
  The tactics being used against him in recent months are so 
contemptible to 
  me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.
  
  e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, 
if 
  true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And 
then there are 
  the commie and assassination accusation!
  
  Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should 
look up 
  what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the 
engineer / 
  Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard.
  
  
  Original Message= === 
  
  Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 
11/3/2006 8:19:41 
  A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ 
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com) 
  Sent on: 
  
  
  
  Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to 
the 
  thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. 
  Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get 
him 
  elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the 
People. 
  Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. 
  
  Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. 
Look 
  where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected 
  officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. 
  
  I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the 
Jim 
  Keady handbook.
  
  He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill 
for the 
  special interests, but the voters know their concerns have a 
voice.
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Nero Sleeps While Rome Burns

2006-11-03 Thread dfsavgny

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I disagree.  He should not have given out that number unless there 
are facts to back up.  The town is too small in size and 200 would 
represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out 
of control.  People have risked everything to create businesses, fix 
homes etc.  This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage.  

Maybe he has the back up? What does the number have to rise to 
before someone says something? It's not like it is news.

Legislators take steps to combat gangs
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/19/06
BY TOM BALDWIN
GANNETT STATE BUREAU

TRENTON  Lawmakers stepped up the war on street gangs Thursday, 
advancing a raft of measures they hope might restore calm.

One in particular said gangland defendants had to prove bail money 
comes from legitimate sources, erasing the oft-repeated parlay in 
which a gang member bails out another with cash  of uncertain 
sources  stuffed into a brown paper bag.

The steps also include special gun courts, shielding the identities 
of victims and lawyers and confiscating vehicles of people nabbed 
with illegal weapons.

Where there's drugs, there's gangs, said Assemblyman Peter Barnes, 
D-Middlesex, chairman of the Assembly Law and Public Safety 
Committee.

Barnes sat in front of a state map that showed gang presence 
spreading across the state from urban centers to suburbs in 
Monmouth, Camden and Middlesex counties, across the Interstate 78 
corridor to Warren County and in pockets around southern New Jersey.

Heck, they're in Princeton, said Assemblyman Reed Gusciora, D-
Mercer.

It is a package of triage legislation, said Assemblywoman Bonnie 
Watson Coleman, D-Mercer, where late-March gang battles on Trenton 
streets killed six people, including a 7-year-old girl and two 
bystanders, all in a 24-hour period.

First Assistant Attorney General Anne Milgram urged passage of the 
package, saying all major violent gangs are present in New Jersey, 
from South Jersey bikers to West Coast street groups that have 
expanded east.

She mentioned gangs in Asbury Park, Lakewood, Camden, Vineland and 
Trenton.




 
 I am sure gangs exist but 200 members?  Well organized?  If that 
was the case then he should show his facts.  I don't think people 
have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town.  It 
is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers.  
Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball 
programs?  More homeless shelters?  Rent control?  All his 
intentions are good just not for ocean front property.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
 
 This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit.
 Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It 
may not be the exact 
 number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many 
of them in our town. The 
 sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to 
not tell the truth...hush 
 hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is.
 What a joke. Just disgusting.
 And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it 
hurt their business and it'll 
 prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys 
legacy of neglect, crime, 
 drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady.
 And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this 
past summer. Most 
 unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to 
me, and neither was the rest 
 of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. 
 Unfriendly places keep me away.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote:
 
  
  In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: 
  
  
  Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to 
the 
  thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by 
door. 
  Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get 
him 
  elected. 
  
  
  
  
  
  As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for 
Jim in the 
  last election.
  
  The tactics being used against him in recent months are so 
contemptible to 
  me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.
  
  e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And 
especially, if 
  true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And 
then there are 
  the commie and assassination accusation!
  
  Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He 
should look up 
  what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the 
engineer / 
  Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard.
  
  
  Original Message= === 
  
  Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 
11/3/2006 8:19:41 
  A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:njdave

[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

Well, while I agree with you on putting out a number without checking the 
facts...one 
indisputable fact is that we do have gangs in our city. Doesn't matter if there 
are 20 
members, or 200. Either can cause alot of bad things to happen, and no matter 
how many 
are physically here at one time, they are connected to people in other 
communities. So, 
let's say there are 20 bloods in AP, another 20 in Neptune, and 20 more in 
Lakewood. 
Don't you realize that gangs are big in the drug biz, and members seek out 
others in all of 
these towns to do business?
Are you for sugar coating the truth to attract new business's?
Do you think it's right to hide the facts from prospective new residents, or 
business's that 
might consider moving to AP? I don't. Gangs and crime are a fact of life here. 
That's the 
real issue, and I think argueing about public opinion about our town is 
pointless. AP has 
had a bad reputation for 30 years, maybe more. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I disagree.  He should not have given out that number unless there are facts 
 to back up.  
The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage 
meaning 
that gang crime is out of control.  People have risked everything to create 
businesses, fix 
homes etc.  This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage.  
 
 I am sure gangs exist but 200 members?  Well organized?  If that was the case 
 then he 
should show his facts.  I don't think people have a problem with him saying 
that gang 
members reside in town.  It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts 
ramblining 
numbers.  Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball 
programs?  
More homeless shelters?  Rent control?  All his intentions are good just not 
for ocean front 
property.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM
 Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)
 
 This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit.
 Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be 
 the exact 
 number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in 
 our town. 
The 
 sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell 
 the truth...hush 
 hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is.
 What a joke. Just disgusting.
 And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their 
 business and 
it'll 
 prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of 
 neglect, 
crime, 
 drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady.
 And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. 
 Most 
 unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and 
 neither was the 
rest 
 of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. 
 Unfriendly places keep me away.
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote:
 
  
  In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: 
  
  
  Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the 
  thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. 
  Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him 
  elected. 
  
  
  
  
  
  As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote for Jim in the 
  last election.
  
  The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to 
  me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.
  
  e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if 
  true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there 
  are 
  the commie and assassination accusation!
  
  Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up 
  what Hamlet meant when he said: For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / 
  Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard.
  
  
  Original Message= === 
  
  Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 
  8:19:41 
  A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ 
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com) 
  Sent on: 
  
  
  
  Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the 
  thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. 
  Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him 
  elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of the People. 
  Keady was not elected to be a cheerleader for redevelopment. 
  
  Is Jim a politician? Thankfully, not in the traditional mold. Look 
  where politics have gotten us? With few exceptions, our elected 
  officials are presented to us, and 'rented' by special interests. 
  
  I think more of our elected officials should take a page from the Jim 
  Keady handbook.
  
  He might piss off the special interests... and those who shill

[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-03 Thread Kevin Brown

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I disagree.  He should not have given out that number unless there 
are facts to back up.  The town is too small in size and 200 would 
represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of 
control.  People have risked everything to create businesses, fix 
homes etc.  This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage.  


My response:

I would have to question your concern.  Forget 200 as a number, cause 
worse is the Three shootings within a week.

Thats what keeps people away.  Not a politician's stab at an estimate.

Let me ask you, how many people between the ages of 11  20 do you 
think live in Asbury Park?

KB




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

What if the so called mistake JK made was to say 200 Bloods and he really 
meant to say 
Gang Members? 
That being said...don't you think that AP having 200 gang members is a 
possibility?
I still think that focusing on this is a waste of time. It's the underlying 
problem thats the 
problem.
Oh...and all the talk about bad publicity making people or business's not want 
to come 
here...
What a concept, thinking that this most recent incident is the only bad PR AP 
has received.
What about the past 30 yrs? 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
 wrote:
 
  I disagree.  He should not have given out that number unless there 
 are facts to back up.  The town is too small in size and 200 would 
 represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of 
 control.  People have risked everything to create businesses, fix 
 homes etc.  This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage.  
 
 
 My response:
 
 I would have to question your concern.  Forget 200 as a number, cause 
 worse is the Three shootings within a week.
 
 Thats what keeps people away.  Not a politician's stab at an estimate.
 
 Let me ask you, how many people between the ages of 11  20 do you 
 think live in Asbury Park?
 
 KB






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

2006-11-03 Thread justifiedright

Jack it is a matter of venue (triState area) and quantity (one 
sentence).

I'll give you 3 sentences.  Paint me a balanced picture of Asbury 
Park (understanding you are a community leader so your words have 
the imprematur of authority and a duty to us all)

What do you come up with.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What if the so called mistake JK made was to say 200 Bloods 
and he really meant to say 
 Gang Members? 
 That being said...don't you think that AP having 200 gang members 
is a possibility?
 I still think that focusing on this is a waste of time. It's the 
underlying problem thats the 
 problem.
 Oh...and all the talk about bad publicity making people or 
business's not want to come 
 here...
 What a concept, thinking that this most recent incident is the 
only bad PR AP has received.
 What about the past 30 yrs? 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ 
  wrote:
  
   I disagree.  He should not have given out that number unless 
there 
  are facts to back up.  The town is too small in size and 200 
would 
  represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is 
out of 
  control.  People have risked everything to create businesses, 
fix 
  homes etc.  This do-gooder must realize his words can cause 
damage.  
  
  
  My response:
  
  I would have to question your concern.  Forget 200 as a number, 
cause 
  worse is the Three shootings within a week.
  
  Thats what keeps people away.  Not a politician's stab at an 
estimate.
  
  Let me ask you, how many people between the ages of 11  20 do 
you 
  think live in Asbury Park?
  
  KB
 






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Nero Sleeps While Rome Burns



All he has to do is say where he is getting that information from
- Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 1:05:20 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s) Nero Sleeps While Rome Burns

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. Maybe he has the back up? What does the number have to rise to before someone says something? It's not like it is news.Legislators take steps to combat gangsPosted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/19/06BY TOM BALDWINGANNETT STATE BUREAUTRENTON — Lawmakers stepped up the war on street gangs Thursday, advancing a raft of measures they hope might restore calm.One in particular said gangland defendants
 had to prove bail money comes from legitimate sources, erasing the oft-repeated parlay in which a gang member bails out another with cash — of uncertain sources — stuffed into a brown paper bag.The steps also include special gun courts, shielding the identities of victims and lawyers and confiscating vehicles of people nabbed with illegal weapons."Where there's drugs, there's gangs," said Assemblyman Peter Barnes, D-Middlesex, chairman of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee.Barnes sat in front of a state map that showed gang presence spreading across the state from urban centers to suburbs in Monmouth, Camden and Middlesex counties, across the Interstate 78 corridor to Warren County and in pockets around southern New Jersey."Heck, they're in Princeton," said Assemblyman Reed Gusciora, D-Mercer."It is a package of triage legislation, " said Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson
 Coleman, D-Mercer, where late-March gang battles on Trenton streets killed six people, including a 7-year-old girl and two bystanders, all in a 24-hour period.First Assistant Attorney General Anne Milgram urged passage of the package, saying all major violent gangs are present in New Jersey, from South Jersey bikers to West Coast street groups that have expanded east.She mentioned gangs in Asbury Park, Lakewood, Camden, Vineland and Trenton.  I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean front property. 
   - Original Message  From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady  Inconvenient Truth(s)  This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact  number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The  sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush  hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll  prevent new biz from coming our way. Give me a break.
 Asburys legacy of neglect, crime,  drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most  unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest  of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer.  Unfriendly places keep me away.  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment:   Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the   thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door.   Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him   elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did not vote
 for Jim in the   last election.The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to   me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if   true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are   the "commie" and assassination accusation!Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up   what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer /   Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard."  =

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

I am not for sugar coating the truth but I am for the truth. If Larry Fishman went on the news and say the development is well underway how many posts would be on this board bitching and moaning? Yes there are buildings going up but not 200.

I am well aware that gangs are all over. That is not my issue or the issue the UZE, Coaster etc the issue is why did he say 200 on tv?
- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, November 3, 2006 1:16:53 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s)

Well, while I agree with you on putting out a number without checking the facts...one indisputable fact is that we do have gangs in our city. Doesn't matter if there are 20 members, or 200. Either can cause alot of bad things to happen, and no matter how many are physically here at one time, they are connected to people in other communities. So, let's say there are 20 bloods in AP, another 20 in Neptune, and 20 more in Lakewood. Don't you realize that gangs are big in the drug biz, and members seek out others in all of these towns to do business?Are you for sugar coating the truth to attract new business's?Do you think it's right to hide the facts from prospective new residents, or business's that might consider moving to AP? I don't. Gangs and crime are a fact of life here. That's the real issue, and I think argueing about public opinion about our town is pointless. AP has had a bad reputation for 30 years, maybe more.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: I disagree. He should not have given out that number unless there are facts to back up. The town is too small in size and 200 would represent a rather large percentage meaning that gang crime is out of control. People have risked everything to create businesses, fix homes etc. This do-gooder must realize his words can cause damage. I am sure gangs exist but 200 members? Well organized? If that was the case then he should show his facts. I don't think people have a problem with him saying that gang members reside in town. It is when he goes on a new broadcast and starts ramblining numbers. Why? So he can show he is going to save the town with basketball programs? More homeless shelters? Rent control? All his intentions are good just not for ocean
front property.- Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:42:13 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) This whole thing against Jim Keady is bullshit. Attacking him because of the 200 Bloods comment is ridiculous. It may not be the exact number, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were that many of them in our town. The sick thing about all of this is that he's basically being asked to not tell the truth...hush hush, don't let the outside world know what a scary place AP is. What a joke. Just disgusting. And this is coming from Debbie at the Wonderbar... claiming it hurt their business and it'll prevent new biz from coming our
way. Give me a break. Asburys legacy of neglect, crime, drugs etc. are the problem, not Jim Keady. And speaking of the Wonder Bar...I worked there one night this past summer. Most unfriendly place i've ever been to. Debbie wasn't nice at all to me, and neither was the rest of the staff. Only nice person there was a bouncer. Unfriendly places keep me away. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ . wrote: In reference to NJ Dave'scomment: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. As Jim knows and as I've said here before, I did
not vote for Jim in the last election.The tactics being used against him in recent months are so contemptible to me that I've already started to reevaluate my voting criteria.e.g.: Asking him to read the letter from the UEZ. And especially, if true, the reports here that it was done with malicious glee. And then there are the "commie" and assassination accusation!Tommy used Shakespeare to introduce yesterday's column. He should look up what Hamlet meant when he said: "For 'tis the sport to have the engineer / Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard." Original Message= === Subj: [AsburyPark] Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth(s) Date: 11/3/2006 8:19:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(mailto:njdave@ ...) To: _AsburyPark@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@ yahoogro ups.com) Sent on: Keady's campaign included gathering information and listening to the thoughts and concerns of the people of Asbury Park. Door by door. Apparently, those people liked what he stood for enough to get him elected. Keady was elected to represent the interest of

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