[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Yes, it was me! Are they on a timer? The time of day, I passed by, they should have been on or about to come on. It was dusk and it may be, that they hadn't been re-timed, due to the change back to Standard Time! My bad! It just LOOKED, so gray and dank! I saw where the plants should have been and felt despair! A lovely little square that should be a bright spot, that reminded me of the poem, two roads converged and I took the one, less traveled, of things remembered, happy and sad, all at the same time. I'm old and get things all mixed up! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Ok, here's the deal. I never said all the lights were out. Sharon said it, not you. We are starting to get a little hysterical about the lights. One step at a time. Let's get them working and then see about have uniform and appropriate lighting for the park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: = I have little confidence in the Historical Society. I have never been invited to any meeting regarding the park. In spite of being a founding/life member and organizer of the preservation committee. I'm confused by your statement - Only one of the old lights is out. There is a newer one near the center of the park that is intermittent. I though the situation is that there are NO functioning lights. Which is the case? Werner at first jack did state all were out, when he said he was getting no help i said i would go look and call in the pole numbers, if no one else would, on examination i found 5 of the 6 ornamemtal ones that should be saved working, the one out was from the heck asbury intersecton on the path going to the fountain, the other one out was the ugly one added 60s or 70 s black pole lattern style top just west of the fountain, to me this one should be replaced, to be the same as the others, or removed altogether, hope that helps you clarify the situation.mee an Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I do know that the APHS is working on this as well, and their effort is to repair and preserve the historic lighting. Only one of the old lights is out. There is a newer one near the center of the park that is intermittent, and probably easily fixed. It works , sometimes, for a few minutes at a time. Sounds like a ballast problem to me. = I have little confidence in the Historical Society. I have never been invited to any meeting regarding the park. In spite of being a founding/life member and organizer of the preservation committee. I'm confused by your statement - Only one of the old lights is out. There is a newer one near the center of the park that is intermittent. I though the situation is that there are NO functioning lights. Which is the case? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, here's the deal. I never said all the lights were out. Sharon said it, not you. We are starting to get a little hysterical about the lights. One step at a time. Let's get them working and then see about have uniform and appropriate lighting for the park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Exactly. No hysteria at all. Of the 6 nice vintage Westinghouse Cast Iron lamp poles, only one is out, the one on the North eastern path running diagonally into and out of the park. The generic, which works intermittenely, has been vandalized, as were the 3 lights on the top of the fountain. I believe that repairing the generic light would solve the lighting problem in the short term, as it's the only viable light in the center area, which is where the problem is. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: We are starting to get a little hysterical about the lights. One step at a time. Let's get them working and then see about have uniform and appropriate lighting for the park. === Easy There, No one is getting hysterical. I checked over the park today. 6 nice vintage Westinghouse Cast Iron lamp poles - one on each path into the park 1 generic recent pole off the center. And the reproduction fountain lamps are smashed. (the repro spitting water heads on the fountain are gone too) All the poles have inappropriate 'Colonial' style lamp fixtures. The pattern indicates that the lighting at the center have been consistently smashed to keep that are dark. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy There, No one is getting hysterical. Whatever you say Porch Light. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are starting to get a little hysterical about the lights. One step at a time. Let's get them working and then see about have uniform and appropriate lighting for the park. === Easy There, No one is getting hysterical. I checked over the park today. 6 nice vintage Westinghouse Cast Iron lamp poles - one on each path into the park 1 generic recent pole off the center. And the reproduction fountain lamps are smashed. (the repro spitting water heads on the fountain are gone too) All the poles have inappropriate 'Colonial' style lamp fixtures. The pattern indicates that the lighting at the center have been consistently smashed to keep that are dark. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
OK Jack, Count me in - I'm an engineer, have test equipment, tools and ladder. Let's go check those lamps out. What's a good time for you? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to fix them ourselves. I have no fear of heights. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Jack, Count me in - I'm an engineer, have test equipment, tools and ladder. Let's go check those lamps out. What's a good time for you? Werner very nice gesture and i know you are talented, but arnt you in enough trouble, can see the headlines two arrested, for working on private property, these lights are the property and the responsibility of jcpl the city can not even attempt to fix them, if dan is correct it seems the city took the right action and jcp is in the process of fixing it again nice thought and gesture but dont attempt it, got use to the name porch dont want to start calling you bulb boy lol dan thanks for the update, a small correction the bridge is county owned and manintained not state, not busting your back just information jack over the last week or so most of your posts have been posting twice, one right after the other again just lettin you know, thank you Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Werner, I do know that the APHS is working on this as well, and their effort is to repair and preserve the historic lighting. Only one of the old lights is out. There is a newer one near the center of the park that is intermittent, and probably easily fixed. It works , sometimes, for a few minutes at a time. Sounds like a ballast problem to me. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL I'll be Porch Bulb then. You bring up an issue that may be the reason for all the trouble. Who's lamps are they? Who's responsible for maintaining them? I suspect that issue is not clear. The park is City owned (public) property. JCPL equipment (street lamps) are usually placed to light Rights of Way (the streets). Lighting public parks is not the responsibility of JCPL. We need to identify the details of this arrangment. Who 'owns' the lamps, who will maintain them? My fear is that this issue will escalate to WE JUST NEED LIGHT and the historic fixtures will be removed, halogen flood lights installed and it will be another badly executed project. Let's do this one right; history, character, and appropriate lighting levels can all work together. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: OK Jack, Count me in - I'm an engineer, have test equipment, tools and ladder. Let's go check those lamps out. What's a good time for you? Werner very nice gesture and i know you are talented, but arnt you in enough trouble, can see the headlines two arrested, for working on private property, these lights are the property and the responsibility of jcpl the city can not even attempt to fix them, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
This is what is needed, I do feel members of this board could get four others elected. Just think about what a powerful force we could be as a campaign committee. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. Glenn I said this a couple years ago. I called it reverse eminent domain. At least take phase II and III of Wesley Grove, remove the redevelopment zone that covers homes east of kingsley which will enable owners to work on their own properties or remove the cloud. Take the pony block, the lot behind empress, 3rd ave block take it and resell it to INDIVIDUAL, national developers. Reverse eminent domain. There's an excellent recent court decision to support this today. It's called KELO. Kelo - while an area might look good or not be blighted, there is a better public good that will produce more taxes and better the life of the local residents. Get rid of the council except 1. New attorneys. New life. Time to use KELO as the court wants it to be used. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Werner, I do know that the APHS is working on this as well, and their effort is to repair and preserve the historic lighting. Only one of the old lights is out. There is a newer one near the center of the park that is intermittent, and probably easily fixed. It works , sometimes, for a few minutes at a time. Sounds like a ballast problem to me. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL I'll be Porch Bulb then. You bring up an issue that may be the reason for all the trouble. Who's lamps are they? Who's responsible for maintaining them? I suspect that issue is not clear. The park is City owned (public) property. JCPL equipment (street lamps) are usually placed to light Rights of Way (the streets). Lighting public parks is not the responsibility of JCPL. We need to identify the details of this arrangment. Who 'owns' the lamps, who will maintain them? My fear is that this issue will escalate to WE JUST NEED LIGHT and the historic fixtures will be removed, halogen flood lights installed and it will be another badly executed project. Let's do this one right; history, character, and appropriate lighting levels can all work together. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: OK Jack, Count me in - I'm an engineer, have test equipment, tools and ladder. Let's go check those lamps out. What's a good time for you? Werner very nice gesture and i know you are talented, but arnt you in enough trouble, can see the headlines two arrested, for working on private property, these lights are the property and the responsibility of jcpl the city can not even attempt to fix them, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL I'll be Porch Bulb then. More likely Porch Light. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
The problem is also the amount of money the four council members took from Asbury Partners in the last election. Tens of thousands of dollars. And mostly from New York and California people. Go to the New Jersey Election Committee web site and look at the reports. Can anyone upload them to this site? Mario or Dan? You want this to change, elect others. Keep Keady. Not sure on Johnson. The End. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ wrote: The Partners have used emminent domain at their will to claim many properties whith wich they do NOTHING with (unless, of course MM presses them to do so.) Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? I have written and spoken about this for a couple of years. I have advised (or tried to) on this matter. The WRA prohibits the City from condemning property in the redevelopment zone without Partner's approval. That is so Partners cannot be forced to take and pay for property before it wants to. It would include Partners properties as well. However, what I told the city, is that it cannot contractually agree to limits its inherent sovereign power. Thus, nothing could stop the city from violating that provision. Only the state legislature can limit a local sovereign's power of eminent domain. However, that being said, while nothing could stop the city from taking property contrary to that provision, Partners might be able to sue for breach of contract. However, another possibility is that the court could find that the provision limiting the city's power of eminent domain was contrary to the public good and thus, the provision is not only unenforceable but void ab initio (never existed). All of this is an invitation to litigation. No one wanted it, especially after being held in purgatory by the bankruptcy court. However, I believe that ultimately a tiger cannot change its stripes and litigation will be necessary. While I wish it did not have to happen, perhaps the city leaders will finally reach the breaking point and decide that we have to tighten our belts and go to the mattresses. That litigation could grease the skids for Partners' exit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I am not a City resident, I have been accused and am guilty. That being said, I have a question. The recent meeting which the City held to discuss the shortcomings of the Partners, what was that all about.. does anyone know? APP reported that the meeting would be held, the City's own website mentioned that No official action would be taken following the meeting. MM seems to have some kind of focus, while the Partners seem no to; I am certainly not qualified to answer my own question, so, I am asking this group. The Partners have used emminent domain at their will to claim many properties whith wich they do NOTHING with (unless, of course MM presses them to do so.) Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. Glenn Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. Glenn I said this a couple years ago. I called it reverse eminent domain. At least take phase II and III of Wesley Grove, remove the redevelopment zone that covers homes east of kingsley which will enable owners to work on their own properties or remove the cloud. Take the pony block, the lot behind empress, 3rd ave block take it and resell it to INDIVIDUAL, national developers. Reverse eminent domain. There's an excellent recent court decision to support this today. It's called KELO. Kelo - while an area might look good or not be blighted, there is a better public good that will produce more taxes and better the life of the local residents. Get rid of the council except 1. New attorneys. New life. Time to use KELO as the court wants it to be used. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. Amazing. Like my kids. I'll do it later. I swear I'll it when I get home. I'm tired. I don't have time. Just a minute. Tomorrow. Me and mel will do it when she gets back from vacation. I don't know how. Can you help me tomorrow. I don't have money to do it. U don't understand how hard it is. I had school, then work, the study... GET IT?? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? I'm wondering how many emails and phone calls it's gonna take. David Stout told me it took 5 months to get a street light fixed near Trinity Church. Ridiculous. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. Amazing. Like my kids. I'll do it later. I swear I'll it when I get home. I'm tired. I don't have time. Just a minute. Tomorrow. Me and mel will do it when she gets back from vacation. I don't know how. Can you help me tomorrow. I don't have money to do it. U don't understand how hard it is. I had school, then work, the study... GET IT?? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Partners have used emminent domain at their will to claim many properties whith wich they do NOTHING with (unless, of course MM presses them to do so.) Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? I have written and spoken about this for a couple of years. I have advised (or tried to) on this matter. The WRA prohibits the City from condemning property in the redevelopment zone without Partner's approval. That is so Partners cannot be forced to take and pay for property before it wants to. It would include Partners properties as well. However, what I told the city, is that it cannot contractually agree to limits its inherent sovereign power. Thus, nothing could stop the city from violating that provision. Only the state legislature can limit a local sovereign's power of eminent domain. However, that being said, while nothing could stop the city from taking property contrary to that provision, Partners might be able to sue for breach of contract. However, another possibility is that the court could find that the provision limiting the city's power of eminent domain was contrary to the public good and thus, the provision is not only unenforceable but void ab initio (never existed). All of this is an invitation to litigation. No one wanted it, especially after being held in purgatory by the bankruptcy court. However, I believe that ultimately a tiger cannot change its stripes and litigation will be necessary. While I wish it did not have to happen, perhaps the city leaders will finally reach the breaking point and decide that we have to tighten our belts and go to the mattresses. That litigation could grease the skids for Partners' exit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. I for one never cited corruption for this acquiescence or for the creation of the conditions of the deal without proof. As for the latter, while I may have my opinion, it is based on circumstantial evidence. Let's just say that there were extraordinary circumstances and coincidences back then. The deal was certainly not birthed under the best of conditions. As to the former, I say let's take your approach with MM and apply it to the council. The past is past. Placing blame will get us no where unless someone is blocking progress and they can be removed. We are where we are. I know for a fact that the entire council and governing body is fed up with Partners and wish they were gone. I am not bowing down, but I have decided to try to work with the council to make things better here. I think we all want the same thing and despite any differences of opinions I have had with certain council members, I believe they have the best interests of the city at heart. I may think they are wrong at times or that they do not have the ability or wherewithal to do what is necessary, but they are doing what they think is correct. Thus, we are all in the same boat. The object is to move forward and we should all put our shoulders together and push in the same direction. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I'd love to fix them ourselves. I have no fear of heights. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I'd love to fix them ourselves. I have no fear of heights. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? Ladder, screw driver, light bulbs, Someone to hold the ladder, I;m afraid of heights usually, so I can hold the ladder. Hinge for mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
This post is a major bright spot on this gloomy day! In a message dated 11/6/2007 10:16:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are where we are. I know for a fact that the entire council and governing body is fed up with Partners and wish they were gone. I am not bowing down, but I have decided to try to work with the council to make things better here. I think we all want the same thing and despite any differences of opinions I have had with certain council members, I believe they have the best interests of the city at heart. I may think they are wrong at times or that they do not have the ability or wherewithal to do what is necessary, but they are doing what they think is correct. Thus, we are all in the same boat. The object is to move forward and we should all put our shoulders together and push in the same direction. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Could that meeting be the first step to use emminent domain AGAINST the Partners and to allow MM to take it all over by themselves? Just a thought - and a question for all of you to ponder. = First of all you need to understand that Asbury Partners has the development 'rights' within the Redevelopment Area. The designation of that area is what allows the City to use Eminent Domain and turn over property to the Partners. More significant is the fact that everything East of Ocean Ave is NOT in the Redevelopment Area. That was all Public property sold outright to the Partners. It is now Private Property and not in a redevelopment area. The City could declare Eminent Domain on any or all property east of Ocean Ave and return it to Public Ownership. I have always said that keeping that property in public control, for example leasing it to operators, would have been the best approach instead of a sale. In addition the Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits available along with Preservation Grants that are targeted for public sites would have been very valuable. As it is, its all private property, so why is Code Enforcement not all over them like they are with some folks ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:27:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always said that keeping that property in public control, for example leasing it to operators, would have been the best approach instead of a sale. In addition the Federal Historic Preservation Tax Credits available along with Preservation Grants that are targeted for public sites would have been very valuable. As it is, its all private property, Decisions made during that group-think era when privatization was supposed to be the wave and savior of the future, and all public interests were swept aside. Enron, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup et al.: So much for that idea. so why is Code Enforcement not all over them like they are with some folks ? Has that uneven enforcement question ever been answered? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
I would love to understand why the council has been so easy on Partners for so long. That's a question that is often asked on this board but never answered in any forum. Maybe the city has that anything is better then nothing attitude going? No idea.. I don't like to think that, but at certain times i wonder. Some of the crazy things that have gone out, you stop and wonder how they would allow such things. The only guess would be they asume that anything they do is better then where their at now. Who knows. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:56:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was in Public Property. It didn't work and it cost the city money - it was a big circle. The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. Race issues, general neglect of cities statewide, private scum slum lords, private exploiters of all types, corrupt politicians, and even long-time residents, who for one reason or another, just threw up their hands and gave up. Somehow we were lucky to get an influx of new blood many of whom are respect the importance of dovetailing public and private interests. Governments should run government, not businesses. Each has its own function. But government should have a hand in prudent regulation of businesses using public assets. All those plans were meant to SAVE the buildings, bring in development and people. It was one failure after another. Let's all hope it works this time. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:27:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have always said that keeping that property in public control, for example leasing it to operators, would have been the best approach instead of a sale. It was in Public Property. It didn't work and it cost the city money - it was a big circle. Governments should run government, not businesses. All those plans were meant to SAVE the buildings, bring in development and people. It was one failure after another. Look at AC. It has taken since 1978 to get the point were it is today. Actually, AC is in its 2nd or 3rd redevelopment cycle - or still in their first. Sands came down, Marina district booming, another pier/casino/hotel planned by international company of over 1million sq ft, lead roads filled with motels...entertainment detination, family destination developing. In a bit over an hour, you can be at the Borgata. They need to comp better. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/2007 11:56:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was in Public Property. It didn't work and it cost the city money - it was a big circle. The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. Trust me on this. I was a retail tenant in a city owned building. That being on the boardwalk. They had no money to do baisc maintenace nor provide support services for a number of reasons. For the city and the residents, the BW was a money losing operation. It was due to a number of factors. They looked for help and got f'd not once, but three or four times. Lots of reasons why. We all have our opinions, valid or not. End of story. TODAY is today and progress for the word that it is, it is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
In a message dated 11/6/2007 1:45:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trust me on this. I was a retail tenant in a city owned building. That being on the boardwalk. Trust me. I was a resident even before Bruce the so-called riots. I seen all phases since then. They had no money to do baisc maintenace nor provide support services for a number of reasons. Just what I said: The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. A number of reasons. For the city and the residents, the BW was a money losing operation. It was due to a number of factors. Just what I said: The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. A number of reasons (factors). They looked for help and got f'd not once, but three or four times. Lots of reasons why. Just what I said: The public part wasn't what kept Asbury down. Not as simple as that. A number of reasons (factors). TODAY is today and progress for the word that it is, it is. Just what I said: Let's all hope it works this time. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Just a Thought from Outside the Box
Jack, Today, I went past the park, slooowly and I thought it was a disgrace! Not a light to be found! The plants? GONE! Not many people in the park, due to the weather, but it looks neglected! NO, it isn't YOU! What in the world is going on over there? But this town has cajones, for a dog and pony show, but not a sheckle, for a light, in what could be, a pretty, town square! SAD! Where are the priorities? I can hear out of towners, Asbury can't fix its' infrastructure, but has tons of money, (from the state), for EVERYTHING else! Your TAX dollars at work! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about how difficult it is to get a few lights repaired in a troubled park? I'm wondering how many emails and phone calls it's gonna take. David Stout told me it took 5 months to get a street light fixed near Trinity Church. Ridiculous. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
