Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
Ron Olsen;176009 Wrote: And some more words of wisdom about what's important in sound quality: http://www.biline.ca/critic1.htm This way of looking at everything in black and white (good guys vs. bad guys) is indicative of some kind of condition. Perhaps AS, which, of course, has a large spectrum of symptoms and degrees of severity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome The would would be a much more boring place without such people. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)
opaqueice;175930 Wrote: That's a good point - that hadn't occurred to me. EMI in the range from 20kHz - 40kHz would be inaudible added to the analogue output, but jitter at that frequency could intermodulate with the digital signal to produce audible distortion. For example 25kHz jitter can produce 10kHz noise when a 15kHz signal is being played. (Note that jitter 40kHz has no effect, assuming 20kHz is the threshhold for human hearing.) For this to work as an explanation you need the EMI from the switcher to be concentrated mostly above 20kHz, which isn't consistent with the measurements in the thread Skunk linked to. But still, it's an interesting idea... what DAC do you use? Thanks for the interesting comment. Re-reading your post I have to wonder what the 40kHz limit comes from? There is no hard limit to what HF can be down-mixed into the audio-band by way of modulating the DAC clock. (There may be actual limits for each particular design depending on the circuit properties.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32231 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Classical FLAC 96k/24b
Yes I have the original release of the Norrington and it is very good. I have my doubts about these so-called hi-def transfers. They don't seem to be using original Master tapes as the owner states he is trying to get Studio Masters for the future. In particular the excerpt of the Saint-Saens third symphony is stated as coming from a 4 track tape. I have the original Vinyl of this recording and the recording is clean therefore I was a little surprised when turning up the volume to hear a vary slight tape whine in the background on the FLAC release. This was an experimental EMI Quadraphonic release and it is possible that EMI released some 4 track tapes in the US but I suspect that these could have been produced using High Speed copying methods. While these tapes are free from the crackle and pop that Vinyl accumulates through the years they do suffer from other defects including Dolby Noise Reduction. Beware of any recordings from the middle of the seventies. There was a bad batch of magnetic oxide coating around during this period and it drops off like dandruff. Many tape masters have been rendered useless because of this, some have been re-released onto CD's but the recordings are only a shadow of the originals. -- MrStan MrStan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1771 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32196 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
But surely all of us that hang out on this and other similar fora are by definition displaying AS tendencies? It would certainly explain some of the exchanges here... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour. I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus ceejay;176086 Wrote: But surely all of us that hang out on this and other similar fora are by definition displaying AS tendencies? It would certainly explain some of the exchanges here... Ceejay Slim Devices Rules! Everybody else drools!!! jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
Listener;176010 Wrote: About 24 years ago, I worked with a guy who often referred to something insignificant as mouse nuts. I never understood whether it referred to the mouse's food or his anatomy. Do you know? This unanswered question has stayed with me for all those years. Bill I was wondering what this meant. I think mouse nuts = something insignficant (i.e. very small), and it refers to the anatomy. Someone (will) correct me if I'm wrong. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)
P Floding;176058 Wrote: Re-reading your post I have to wonder what the 40kHz limit comes from? There is no hard limit to what HF can be down-mixed into the audio-band by way of modulating the DAC clock. (There may be actual limits for each particular design depending on the circuit properties.) The jitter will produce sidebands at x+-y, as I said above. So if the jitter is at a frequency x 40kHz, we need y 20kHz to make x-y audible. At least for CD audio (44.1kHz sampling rate) this can't happen. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32231 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Coax - EH???
mikeruss;170977 Wrote: Nice reply ;-) I will take your advice Regarding Fibre and the internet - the reason it appears to be flawless is a thing called TCP, checksums etc (I.E error correction) not a good comparison. If you interested: http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_TCPChecksumCalculationandtheTCPPseudoHeader.htm Actually there is a lot of sensitive nom IP traffic running on fiber with no issues. The issue (if there is one) is not the fibre medium, but the framing and clocking architecture that is used. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
jmourik;176106 Wrote: Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour. I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus Slim Devices Rules! Everybody else drools!!! jan Well, recent research points to obesity depending partly on individual traits. In addition, when the industry (even health oriented industry), and the experts all say the wrong thing, sure people are going to get fat. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
jmourik;176106 Wrote: Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour. I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus Interesting idea... way OT, but there's a principle (maybe that's too strong a word) from evolutionary biology which says that any condition that even slightly reduces your chance of having children (including anything that increases your risk of dying young) can not be genetic (unless it somehow confers a compensating benefit, i.e. sickle-cell anemia). One often-cited example is stomach ulcers, which contrary to years of medical belief turned out to be caused by infection and could be cured with antibiotics. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
jmourik;176106 Wrote: Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour. I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus Slim Devices Rules! Everybody else drools!!! jan jan, you should amend American to Republican fashion. We Democrats blame ourselves for everything :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)
opaqueice;176120 Wrote: The jitter will produce sidebands at x+-y, as I said above. So if the jitter is at a frequency x 40kHz, we need y 20kHz to make x-y audible. At least for CD audio (44.1kHz sampling rate) this can't happen. I'm sure 80kHz will fold right down into the audible spectra just as well as 40kHz. As will 2MHz. It's the same effect as aliasing in any sampled system. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32231 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)
Well, here's a quote from http://stereophile.com/reference/1093jitter/index.html: Analysis reveals that the larger the signal and the higher its frequency, the more it is corrupted by clock jitter. Further, it is shown that in multi-bit converters, jitter above 40kHz can't intermodulate with DC-20kHz input signals to produce DC-20kHz artifacts. In other words, only jitter with a frequency below 40kHz can degrade the audio signal. This is a very important point, and one on which this discussion is based. On the other hand it seems to me thinking about it that what's relevant is the jitter frequency mod the sampling frequency... in other words jitter at say 45.1 kHz could produce sidebands at +-1kHz. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32231 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
seanadams;176002 Wrote: I think you are asking the wrong question here because you are confused about how TCP and buffering work. Case in point, it took me a moment to figure out that by m/s you meant milliseconds and not meters per second! Anyway, a 50ms delay is absolutely mice nuts. On wireless we routinely deal with that sort of variance in the normal flow of packets, not to mention a few percent of packet loss. Even if you could adjust the buffer size, I am not sure what that would help you to illustrate. Is there an alternative failure mode (for example a competing product which does not recover as quickly), where you would like to show that streaming does not perform as well? If you could describe what that failure looks like, maybe we could suggest a test to illustrate it. If you want to show the difference between, say, a 50ms outage and a 250ms outage, then VOIP is probably the best thing to demonstrate. VOIP potocols, by design, sacrifice reliability in order to achieve real-time streaming with low latency. Squeezebox is the opposite - it plays from stored data which can be read into its memory as fast as the network will deliver it, even in a bursty manner, so the stream can continue even with heavy packet loss or a complete outage of several seconds. You couldn't make Squeezebox behave like VOIP just by reducing the buffer size, because TCP is *totally* different! Sean I am sorry if i did not explain myself correctly, below is my simplistic view. Please correct me if I am wrong. TCP is partially responsible to ensure the data it receives from the SS is accurate and in the proper order and pass's it up to the next layer. Lets say it drops the data into the music bucket If an errored packet arrives at the SB it is discarded an another copy of a particular packet is requested from the SS . The upper layers of the SB's software have the task (among other things of course)to stream out music leaking from the bottom of the bucket . Because the music has to be delivered in a uninterupted fashion a certain amount of buffer space, or bucket content storing capability is built in to the SB to allow TCP time to do it's thing during poor network conditions. If the bucket size is to small or does not exist , and the network was constantly congested or in a poor state (dropping packets) it would not matter if TCP or UDP was used, the user would experience interuption in the music. The goal is to never let the bucket go empty. TCP will ensure what goes into the bucket is accurate, however the rate it fills the bucket is dependant on the network, the SS and other things. I would imagine you guy's played around with the buffer size, and examined the characteristics of the various network medium etc. at some point in time? What I was hoping to do, (it appears I can't, but thats ok) is decrease the SB buffer size, to a point that it cannot tolerate any packet drops. Yes TCP will make sure what goes into the bucket is still accurate. Our network equipment uses very quick failure recovery mechanisms, and has very deep queue's and sophisticated schedulers. By dialing back the SB's buffering capabilities, I am putting the emphasis on our network equipment to deliver the content with little or no packet drops, and very little latency. My plan was to congest the network with best effort traffic, prioritise the music traffic and introduce failures into the network, knowing that SS/SB current setup was tweaked in such a way that it cannot tolerate interuption in packet flow. I can do this all day long with a traffic generator, but seeing real life applications such as music and video is sexy and sexy sells. In a perfect world i would demonstrate the SB/SS working as intended in stock fashion, then i could dial back the buffer size to a point of lets say 75-100 milli-seconds, congest and introduce network failures and let the customer observe the results. Thanks for your time -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
sfraser;176139 Wrote: In a perfect world i would demonstrate the SB/SS working as intended in stock fashion, then i could dial back the buffer size to a point of lets say 75-100 milli-seconds, congest and introduce network failures and let the customer observe the results. I realize that's what you want to do, but it is not possible because you are talking about a buffer size that is too small for TCP to function even on a perfectly good network. Even below the application level, the OS presents a receive window (buffer size) to the other side which must be large enough to allow the sender to keep sufficient packets in flight to achieve the required data rate and to enable the fast retransmit algorithm. Packet losses are a _NORMAL_ occurrence for TCP. That is, in fact, the mechanism by which TCP determines how fast it can send data. So if you were to design a setup which fails on a single packet loss, I can guarantee it will fail independent of whatever simulation you're applying. and we have barely scratched the surface yet... TCP is extremely complex! 50ms is a very very small about of time as far as TCP is typically concerned. It is so small that such an outage would be practically impossible to detect at the application level. Isn't that the whole reason why this is a selling point of the product? With a VOIP stream (which is not at all like TCP) you would be able to hear short outages - maybe not 50ms, but at 100-200ms you could hear short clicks. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
seanadams;176146 Wrote: I realize that's what you want to do, but it is not possible because you are talking about a buffer size that is too small for TCP to stream audio even on a perfectly good network. Even below the application level, the OS presents a receive window (buffer size) to the other side which must be large enough to allow the sender to keep sufficient packets in flight to achieve the required data rate and to enable the fast retransmit algorithm. Packet losses are a _NORMAL_ occurrence for TCP. That is, in fact, the mechanism by which TCP determines how fast it can send data. So if you were to design a setup which fails on a single packet loss, I can guarantee it will fail independent of whatever simulation you're applying. and we have barely scratched the surface yet... TCP is extremely complex! 50ms is a very very small about of time as far as TCP is typically concerned. It is so small that such an outage would be practically impossible to detect at the application level. Isn't that the whole reason why this is a selling point of the product? With a VOIP stream (which is not at all like TCP) you would be able to hear short outages - maybe not 50ms, but at 100-200ms you could hear short clicks. Thanks Sean, I will keep looking for another application. As you aluded to, this is like pushing a square peg in a round hole. I did not think the TCP window size, would have a major impact here. I would have network mechanisms to help alliviate the sliding window (WRED)on prioritised traffic. As you can see I don't drag my head up past L3 to often, time to dust off the TCP rfc's.. Cheers, -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] plug and play linear supply (part 2)
opaqueice;176138 Wrote: Well, here's a quote from http://stereophile.com/reference/1093jitter/index.html: On the other hand it seems to me thinking about it that what's relevant is the jitter frequency mod the sampling frequency... in other words jitter at say 45.1 kHz could produce sidebands at +-1kHz. I believe they are actually wrong there. Perhaps some information was taken out of the article. I believe that jitter above 40kHz but _below_ Fs/2 (8*44/2 kHz for an 8 times oversampling D/A) will be surpressed as it will be properly filtered out by the D/A. However, any jitter above Fs/2 will again fold down, but some of it will, of course, fold into the area which is filtered away). I'll check to see if I can find some more info on this. Interesting is the reasoning about one-bit DACs. Then we have interface jitter, which will allow very high frequency pollution to affect the clock. (Not the same as the jitter discussed earlier in that article which is jitter introduced directly at the clock.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32231 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Coax - EH???
P Floding;171032 Wrote: I'd just like to emphasize that a 3 meter (9 foot) cheapo might beat a 1 meter (3 foot) $200 cable. I work for a major manufacturer of consumer products. We often test products that technically do absolutely nothing, yet consumers perceive benefits based on the marketing concept. Perceptions are everything. The only thing that often stops us are gov't regulations and, more importantly, theats of lawsuits form competitors. But no such regs on cable manufacturers. And the cable guys are careful to not make competitive claims, lest driving consumer doubt and skepticism. -- FatElvis2000 FatElvis2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
tomjtx;176131 Wrote: jan, you should amend American to Republican fashion. We Democrats blame ourselves for everything :-) What's your proof that Democrats blame themselves for everything? Have you not read the news everyday? Democrats only blame others for everything. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Coax - EH???
SuperQ;171784 Wrote: It's sad to seen when software developers don't understand the differences, and think UDP is faster, and end up re-implementing TCP error correction over UDP. FTP is a good example of this because it uses UDP for data, even tho it has to verify that every block is copied. FTP is braindead and stupid... but it doesn't use UDP. It just has a lot of cruft: the MODE and PORT commands, for example, as well as being downright hostile to attempt to firewall. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile shops
thomsens;175554 Wrote: Point is, I think they really like pulling the vinyl out of the sleeve and putting the needle down. There is something to be said for that if it's what gets them going. I think that's a big part of it. The emotional connection is lost with 12,000 songs at one's immediate disposal. Pulling out the vinyl, cleaning the LP, droppping the needle -- complete with an intermission mid-way through -- requires a certain committment to the specific album in play. I have an LP player, but mostly for kicks. Also because there is a TON of material available, for cheap, at garage sales and swap meets. Its fun. But I don't fool myself that it's somehow better than CD. Listening to the first half of Kind of Blue, on LP, is a different kind of experience. -- FatElvis2000 FatElvis2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32232 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB? For example: http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/410/ixos-306-sorbothane-feet-4-pack/display.html -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Deaf Cat;176188 Wrote: Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB? For example: http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/410/ixos-306-sorbothane-feet-4-pack/display.html\ When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB. I heard absolutely no difference. i suspect these things tweak your mind more than the SB:-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
So just which part of the SB would be affected by vibration, I wonder? Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone recommend a tube amp simpatico with SB3
Damn! I so had my heart set on blue glowing tubes... -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32099 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Coax - EH???
FatElvis2000;176176 Wrote: I work for a major manufacturer of consumer products. We often test products that technically do absolutely nothing, yet consumers perceive benefits based on the marketing concept. Perceptions are everything. The only thing that often stops us are gov't regulations and, more importantly, theats of lawsuits form competitors. But no such regs on cable manufacturers. And the cable guys are careful to not make competitive claims, lest driving consumer doubt and skepticism. Different SPDIF coaxial cables often sound different. But the expensive one may well sound worse than the cheap one. Of course, if one has payed for a $200 cable one easily percieves it as sounding better.. (There are technical reasons for digital interconnects to sound different.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
FatElvis2000;175079 Wrote: I've searched their archives for equipment I'm interested in, and they love everything. Maybe help point me to some of the negative reviews... What's with your need for negativity? Does this prove something? Stereophile reviews about 6-10 products a month and obviously would rather review good stuff than bad. So when asking for review samples they obviously pick products that they alreay believe will be good ones. Why would they do otherwise. The point is to recommend good stuff not to spend all day pointing out bad stuff. Occasionally a writer will give a bad review. Sometimes a good review is put into question by John Atkinson who does the measurements. It can be very revealing of both the product and the writer. Sometimes products are received with faults and these are discribed in full in the review. So what's the problem? I would rather read about good products than bad and as long as I have an overall trust in the reviewer countered with some good measurements I'm happy with that. -- mauidj Oracle Delphi/FR64/Dynavector, Krell EVO-555, Krell EVO-202, Krell EVO-402, BW 801-Matrix3. Music all the way! mauidj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
mauidj;176222 Wrote: Stereophile reviews about 6-10 products a month and obviously would rather review good stuff than bad. So when asking for review samples they obviously pick products that they alreay believe will be good ones. Why would they do otherwise. Why would they do otherwise? Because it would actually make the magazine useful for something. When you're in the market for a new product, it's obviously very useful to have objective comparisons between products. Consumer reports, for example, is good for that, as are (in some cases) consumer websites like epinions. Stereophile doesn't serve that purpose at all - since all the reviews are positive, you have no way of distinguishing between the products they've already reviewed (all good) or the ones they haven't (bad? just not reviewed yet? who knows?). It's ridiculous to think that they only review good products - how can they know that in advance? They must have truly amazing judgement to only ever choose quality products. If you want to learn something about their judgement and integrity, read up on the Carver-Stereophile lawsuit - it's pretty instructive (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carver#Controversy). -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
I suspend mine over a high-pressure cushion of air. Of course I have to turn the volume way up to drown out the roar of the blower. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | DIY Speaker Cables | Dayton Audio Interconnects jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
I've glued a magnet to mine so I can levitate it over a superconductor. It's really annoying pouring liquid nitrogen in there all the time to keep the superconductor cool, but hey, anything for good sound... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
opaqueice;176229 Wrote: Why would they do otherwise? Because it would actually make the magazine useful for something. When you're in the market for a new product, it's obviously very useful to have objective comparisons between products. Consumer reports, for example, is good for that, as are (in some cases) consumer websites like epinions. Stereophile doesn't serve that purpose at all - since all the reviews are positive, you have no way of distinguishing between the products they've already reviewed (all good) or the ones they haven't (bad? just not reviewed yet? who knows?). It's ridiculous to think that they only review good products - how can they know that in advance? They must have truly amazing judgement to only ever choose quality products. If you want to learn something about their judgement and integrity, read up on the Carver-Stereophile lawsuit - it's pretty instructive (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carver#Controversy). Where are all you guys coming up with this 100% positive review stat? It just is not true. You are all asking for factual statements from this magazine yet you detractors cannot prove your own facts. Bit ironic don't you think! Like I said, i am not in love with Stereophile...far from it. But they do some good stuff and I do not have a problem reading positive stuff! And they are not Consumer Reports BTW...nor do they try to be. Funny sice CR got so nailed recently for false reporting! -- mauidj Oracle Delphi/SME IV/Dynavector, SB3, Krell EVO-555, Krell EVO-202, Krell EVO-402, BW 801-Matrix3. Music all the way! mauidj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
Where are all you guys coming up with this 100% positive review stat? It just is not true. You are all asking for factual statements from this magazine yet you detractors cannot prove your own facts. Bit ironic don't you think! Hmm - in your previous posting you seemed to agree their reviews were overwhelmingly positive and were defending that practice. In any case, I certainly don't read every review in Stereophile, but I have ready quite a few and I've yet to see a negative one. If you want evidence, it's rather easy to find here: http://www.stereophile.com/. I suspect if you search enough you'll eventually find something approximating a negative one. The closest I've seen was a tube amp which had massive distortion (which they commented on in the measurement section), but even there the reviewer actually liked the sound. Anyway, any magazine which favorably reviews $15,000 wires has zero credibility. Unforunately that seems to describe almost all audio magazines these days... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
opaqueice;176229 Wrote: Why would they do otherwise? Because it would actually make the magazine useful for something. When you're in the market for a new product, it's obviously very useful to have objective comparisons between products. Consumer reports, for example, is good for that, as are (in some cases) consumer websites like epinions. Stereophile doesn't serve that purpose at all - since all the reviews are positive, you have no way of distinguishing between the products they've already reviewed (all good) or the ones they haven't (bad? just not reviewed yet? who knows?). It's ridiculous to think that they only review good products - how can they know that in advance? They must have truly amazing judgement to only ever choose quality products. If you want to learn something about their judgement and integrity, read up on the Carver-Stereophile lawsuit - it's pretty instructive (see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carver#Controversy). I think there's actually very little stuff that's genuinely bad. Why would a manufacturer make it? Why would a dealer sell it? All there is is stuff that I like and stuff that doesn't really do it for me. Since you might like different things, it probably balances out. So you need to find dealers, manufacturers and, yes, magazines and reviewers that seem to be congruent with your taste, and then that gives you useful guidance. Until you have an idea of your own taste and what the reviewers think of products you like, I think they're useless. If you haven't heard enough stuff yourself, they're all useless. If Stereophile match products to reviewers who will probably like them, fine. I'd normally be keen to see what another less 'aligned' reviewer thought, but no big deal. Have some idea of what you might like and treat it all with a healthy dose of scepticism. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
j.wales;176251 Wrote: I havethe same noise - does not change with volume - but does change pitch with the brightness of the screen Do you mean the SB volume or the amp volume? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
I havethe same noise - does not change with volume - but does change pitch with the brightness of the screen -- j.wales j.wales's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4569 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
adamslim;176250 Wrote: I think there's actually very little stuff that's genuinely bad. Why would a manufacturer make it? Why would a dealer sell it? All there is is stuff that I like and stuff that doesn't really do it for me. Since you might like different things, it probably balances out. No offense intended, but I couldn't disagree with you more. A huge proportion of high-end audio products are total garbage, at least from a price/performance point of view. It's true a $15,000 wire will conduct electricity, but so will a 10 cent wire, and so by any reasonable standard the $15,000 version should get a very, very bad review. Instead the reviewers spout nonsense about speed, timing, extension, etc., when in truth they'd be incapable of picking the thing out in a blind test. It's pretty despicable, really. Here for example: http://stereophile.com/cables/1206tara/index.html -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that. - Richard Feynman -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
I leave the SB volume at 100 - regulate volume with pre-amp I have read in other posts that 100 is the ideal setting if using SB3 as source only and not as a pre-amp Also, I use the analog outs - thinking about inserting a DAC - does anyone have the hiss using the digital outs? -- j.wales j.wales's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4569 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
I have the SB3 connected via digital out to my HT. I do NOT have the issue when using digital. I do have it on analog on the same system. My tone varies both by volume and pitch as brightness and density of text on the display varies. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
I find sky hooks very effective!! -- Speed Speed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
I have found that soap and water applied fairly regularly alleviates the need for isolating my feet. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
tomjtx;176192 Wrote: \ When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB. I heard absolutely no difference. i suspect these things tweak your mind more than the SB:-) Why am I not surprised? Why ebony in particular? I'd love to hear the reason for that... I mean, why not brazilian rosewood, or wenge or briar or myrtle, etc, etc? -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Deaf Cat;176188 Wrote: Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB? For example: http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/410/ixos-306-sorbothane-feet-4-pack/display.html Warning for the BS meter hitting the right end stop: External vibrations are dissipated away from your components by transferring the vibrations into a form of heat, undetectable to the human touch. Huh? A form of heat, undetectable to the human touch? Jezzz.. I'd try some blue-tack if I was worried about resonances. The SB3 is light enough to sit on blue-tack without pushing through. Or put it on a pillow, just to see if you can hear a difference. Resonances may or may not affect audio equipment, but the control, or modification, of such resonances depend on many factors. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
jeffmeh;176275 Wrote: I have found that soap and water applied fairly regularly alleviates the need for isolating my feet. :-D OK, I'm getting the general impressioni that apart from the wood ones no one had tried any other material..dare I ask :-) I thought it was weard when I was strongly recommended them as I thought my little SB had no moving parts to make any vibs. - what about isolating it from other things that vibrate...? like the floor? Maybe I'll have to try a bit of my missis's rice pudding, sharp knife and fork required, the cake would be too hard the birds have given up now, even after all this rain. Hm -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
tomjtx;176192 Wrote: \ When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB.Do you think that Wayne sent them to you as a joke or that Wayne thinks that they do make a difference to the sound? MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
May I present the mother of all things squeezebox-supporting (If you can deal with it's inherent evil). http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/SHAKTI_Stone -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
tomjtx;176192 Wrote: \ When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB. I heard absolutely no difference. i suspect these things tweak your mind more than the SB:-) Makes me wonder about Bolder mods -- FatElvis2000 FatElvis2000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
FatElvis2000;176289 Wrote: Makes me wonder about Bolder mods And the Bybee filters didn't? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
Eric Carroll;175570 Wrote: There are three people in this forum who have noticed it so far. I think you'll find there are more than that: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24445 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26733 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
ModelCitizen;176281 Wrote: Do you think that Wayne sent them to you as a joke or that Wayne thinks that they do make a difference to the sound? MC LOL no, unfortunately he was serious. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
FatElvis2000;176289 Wrote: Makes me wonder about Bolder mods In this case, wonderment is a wonderful thing and it will save you wondering if you have wasted your money :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
Eric Carroll;176261 Wrote: The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that. - Richard Feynman Eric, great quote, if everyone followed that advice we would put a lot of the snake oil salesmen out of business. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
j.wales;176260 Wrote: I leave the SB volume at 100 - regulate volume with pre-amp So you're saying the hiss is as loud with the preamp volume at max as it is with it at zero? And that it's sensitive to the display brightness? That's very odd. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
opaqueice;176304 Wrote: So you're saying the hiss is as loud with the preamp volume at max as it is with it at zero? And that it's sensitive to the display brightness? That's very odd. I've noticed that, while the buzz is much quieter with the amp volume turned down, it's not as low as you would expect. With music playing and the amp volume down all the way I can just faintly hear the music (with ear right next to the tweeter), but can somewhat more easily hear the buzz. With the volume up music is much louder than the buzz, but the buzz is louder than it is at zero volume. This would make sense if the buzz were due to noise in the amp rather than in the SB, but since it's correlated with the display it must be coming from the SB. So I don't understand that either. If I understand your description correctly, I deduce that your amp is picking up the noise from the SB's display at a point after the amp's volume control. How close to the amp is the SB? Have you tested physically moving the SB? -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
P Floding;176301 Wrote: I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that things like that can alter the sound of a component, in a particular setting. It could be something as simple as the distance from the component to some other component (a metal chassis, for example) changing, which may affect EM pickup. But again, why ebony? Why not plastic or sorbothane (which would seem to be much more appropriate)? -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
P Floding;176308 Wrote: If I understand your description correctly, I deduce that your amp is picking up the noise from the SB's display at a point after the amp's volume control. How close to the amp is the SB? Have you tested physically moving the SB? Yeah, I thought of that too, so I tried moving the SB - to no effect as far as I could tell. But the sound is so faint with the amp volume down it's pretty hard to be sure. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
opaqueice;176314 Wrote: Yeah, I thought of that too, so I tried moving the SB - to no effect as far as I could tell. But the sound is so faint with the amp volume down it's pretty hard to be sure. In that case the noise might be traveling on the interconnect, jumping to some other internal trace/lead and finding its way past the volume control. (I'm assuming now that it is confirmed that altering the display's brightness alters the noise.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
P Floding;176317 Wrote: In that case the noise might be traveling on the interconnect, jumping to some other internal trace/lead and finding its way past the volume control. (I'm assuming now that it is confirmed that altering the display's brightness alters the noise.) Well, that wouldn't explain why it scales differently with volume than music. But on further investigation I think it's just that there are two noise components - one which is correlated with brightness and one which isn't (and part of that one is coming from the amp after volume control). With the amp volume all the way down, the effect of changing the brightness is much smaller than when it's up, which fits with that. So it makes sense. But j.wales results are pretty inexplicable. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176315 Wrote: But again, why ebony? Why not plastic or sorbothane (which would seem to be much more appropriate)? Cause it looks nice? Annoyingly I just had to experiment with this now, and I seem to get alterations in the sound. I have no idea why -or if it is just imagination. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
tomjtx;176131 Wrote: jan, you should amend American to Republican fashion. We Democrats blame ourselves for everything :-) Ha, that was funny :-) opaqueice Wrote: any condition that even slightly reduces your chance of having children (including anything that increases your risk of dying young) can not be genetic I like that, interesting. Sounds reasonable to me! Oh, oops, on second thought it sounds too evolutionary. So it can't be true. :-) mauidj Wrote: What's with your need for negativity? Does this prove something? Like opaqueice, when I'm looking into some component to buy, like right now a DAC, I want to see reviews that tell me something. If I look for reviews on the Benchmark DAC1, they all say it's a very good DAC. Until Lavry shows up, then I read Lavry is better. Can't the magazines do a nice DAC shootout? I know, a lot is personal, I might prefer the DAC1 over the DA10, and somebody else might prefer the DA10. But maybe I could learn something from a comparo like that. The reviewers could all give their own opinion, like they do in Motorcyclist and SportRider magazine... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone recommend a tube amp simpatico with SB3
You should take a look at and listen to the PrimaLuna's from Upscale Audio. Have had my Prologue 2 for some time now and really enjoy it. Great design from Netherlands + Top notch build quality from China = Great Value. Good looks as well especially with the cage removed. Good reviews on the site below as well. Talk to Kevin Deal at Upscale. Good guy..will take care of you. http://www.upscaleaudio.com/ -- SB2605 SB2605's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9936 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32099 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
jmourik;176324 Wrote: Like opaqueice, when I'm looking into some component to buy, like right now a DAC, I want to see reviews that tell me something. If I look for reviews on the Benchmark DAC1, they all say it's a very good DAC. Until Lavry shows up, then I read Lavry is better. Can't the magazines do a nice DAC shootout? I know, a lot is personal, I might prefer the DAC1 over the DA10, and somebody else might prefer the DA10. But maybe I could learn something from a comparo like that. The reviewers could all give their own opinion, like they do in Motorcyclist and SportRider magazine... jan They are all (mostly) good. The problem is that hacks have to write something.. ;-) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Maybe, but did he try other types of wood? There are an awful lot of tropical hardwoods, if hardwood is what's necessary (plus all kinds of non-tropical ones, while we're at it). Plus, of course, things like spruce and cedar, which are used as soundboards on stringed instruments. Just out of curiosity, are you using hunks of ebony, or something else? cheers, M -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176337 Wrote: Maybe, but did he try other types of wood? There are an awful lot of tropical hardwoods, if hardwood is what's necessary (plus all kinds of non-tropical ones, while we're at it). Plus, of course, things like spruce and cedar, which are used as soundboards on stringed instruments. Just out of curiosity, are you using hunks of ebony, or something else? cheers, M I had some cones of some unspecified artificial (plasticky) material laying around. The seem to have been cast from this material. I'm very sceptical about it all, but I believe in trying everything to rule it out before assuming things. Sure can throw up surprises -such as why the f**k does LP outclass CD? (Which it certainly did some years back.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replay-gain and Amp clipping Question
Awesome, thank you for the feedback everyone. -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out Panasonic SA-XR57 Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176337 Wrote: Maybe, but did he try other types of wood? There are an awful lot of tropical hardwoods, if hardwood is what's necessary (plus all kinds of non-tropical ones, while we're at it). Plus, of course, things like spruce and cedar, which are used as soundboards on stringed instruments. Wouldn't you want the opposite of a highly resonant species for a speaker baffle or equipment support, or even piano key I suppose? I have an ebony fetish personally, and find it soothing to hold when I'm at the wood store. Always been too cheap to buy any though :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
P Floding;176338 Wrote: I had some cones of some unspecified artificial (plasticky) material laying around. They seem to have been cast from this material. I'm very sceptical about it all, but I believe in trying everything to rule it out before assuming things. Sure can throw up surprises -such as why the f**k does LP outclass CD? (Which it certainly did some years back.) I remember reading on a newsgroup recently that some of the early a/d converters used by recording studios didn't dither, which was a real problem. Supposedly, this had a bad effect on a lot of early cd releases which were recorded using them. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Skunk;176341 Wrote: Wouldn't you want the opposite of a highly resonant species for a speaker baffle or equipment support, or even piano key I suppose? I have an ebony fetish personally, and find it soothing to hold when I'm at the wood store. Always been too cheap to buy any though :-) Yep, I would think so. I'd think for vibration absorbing, though, you'd want something like sorbothane, rather than a really hard wood. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176343 Wrote: I remember reading on a newsgroup recently that some of the early a/d converters used by recording studios didn't dither, which was a real problem. Supposedly, this had a bad effect on a lot of early cd releases which were recorded using them. Yes, but that is like nothing compared to the sound quality (or lack of it) of the early CD players. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
P Floding;176347 Wrote: Yes, but that is like nothing compared to the sound quality (or lack of it) of the early CD players. Ah. I didn't get a cd player until 92 or so, so I missed that phase. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
P Floding;176327 Wrote: They are all (mostly) good. The problem is that hacks have to write something.. ;-)Yup, and people like me like to read it! I now have subscriptions to TAS and Stereophile. Why? Because I enjoy reading them and subscriptions are cheap! I bought Stereophile last weekend, $6.99! The subscription is $10 for a year on Amazon. So I figure I'll probably buy two a year anyway, so it's cheaper to subscribe and get them all... -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Have a look at the 'Associated Equipment' sidebar of the Transporter review in the Feb 2006 of Stereophile and you'll see listed Ayre Myrtle Wood blocks. (oh, Myrtle wood, not ebony.) Given the article's bizarre opening metaphor, I was expecting polished turds... -- muski muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176315 Wrote: But again, why ebony? Why not plastic or sorbothane (which would seem to be much more appropriate)? Isn't it obvious? Ebony is the wood used to make the black keys on a piano (at least, it used to be). If it is musical enough for a piano, it is certainly musical enough for an SB. This is the same sort of nonsense that has some people at DIYaudio.com trying to make heatsinks out of bronze and finishing the wood cases of their home made electronics (yes, wood!) with violin lacquer. All it takes is too little knowledge and someone to come along and recognize and take advantage of it and voila! a new industry is born! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Deaf Cat;176188 Wrote: Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB? You mean something like this? ---Gary +---+ |Filename: SB3_cones.JPG| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2337| +---+ -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176345 Wrote: Yep, I would think so. I'd think for vibration absorbing, though, you'd want something like sorbothane, rather than a really hard wood. Perhaps, but be prepared to lose a bit of image focus and bass authority. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Skunk;176373 Wrote: I tried that with audio points (for a funny picture!), but couldn't balance the back bar. You're assuming that I did this as a joke . . . Not so fast. I'm a bit reluctant to bring this up at all given the way this board and thread seems to assume that tweaks of any sort can't work even when most of the people writing have never even tried what they are disparaging. I actually have found that the Black Diamond Racing cones shown under the SB3 make a difference. They make a much bigger difference under other equipment such as preamps and dacs and amplifiers so I'd be hard pressed to say that they're a good investment under the SB3. But they do work. Please, no notes telling me that I'm delusional or explaining how these things can't work. Don't waste the bandwidth until you've done some experiments. The willingness to draw conclusions without any experimental work is amazingly unscientific. Happy listening. ---Gary -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
tyler_durden;176370 Wrote: This is the same sort of nonsense that has some people at DIYaudio.com trying to make heatsinks out of bronze and finishing the wood cases of their home made electronics (yes, wood!) with violin lacquer. I'm afraid it's leeched into the general marketplace as well.. http://www.mother-of-tone.com/attraction.htm It's very highly reviewed though (tpfic) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
Skunk;176376 Wrote: I'm afraid it's leeched into the general marketplace as well... It's very highly reviewed though (tpfic) I'd hardly call THAT the general marketplace. I once saw some stuff about a vibration isolating table for tube amplifiers that was filled with sand because the sand was harmonically sympathetic (or some such nonsense) to the glass envelopes of the tubes- both are composed of SiO2. One could easily get the impression that audophiles are a gullible lot. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
GaryB;176375 Wrote: Don't waste the bandwidth until you've done some experiments. The willingness to draw conclusions without any experimental work is amazingly unscientific. Happy listening. ---Gary Science is not done by people randomly trying stuff with no idea why it would or wouldn't work. I've seen no technical explanation of why such a thing would work, nor have I seen any mention of any studies which control for placebo effects which indicate that it would. And a sighted evaluation with one data point doesn't actually constitute an experiment, for reasons it's just too tedious to rehash. If someone wants to show that these things work in some kind of rigorous way, more power to them. But until that happens, there are a lot of people who will (justifiably) not take these things seriously. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176379 Wrote: Science is not done by people randomly trying stuff with no idea why it would or wouldn't work. The scientific method has several steps: 1. Observe some aspect of the universe. 2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed. 3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions. 4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results. My objection to some of the discussions I've read to date is that people skip the first step, meaning that they don't listen for themselves. Instead there is a tendency to doubt observations because people aren't offering up reasonable hypotheses. The fact that there aren't good theories doesn't invalidate the observation of an experimental result. Just my two cents. ---Gary -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3
Skunk;176295 Wrote: I think you'll find there are more than that: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24445 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26733 Skunk, Words from the master, no less. Thanks for pointing it out. Damn, I even looked for this using google and went through Sean's postings one at a time. Dunno how I missed it in the millions of postings... I think the key is Sean's comments in this post: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=113762postcount=5 Sadly the gif urls dont resolve anymore but I get the point. I am surprised to see hear it is at -120dBr - my hearing is better than I thought. But the good news then is that another -20dB attenuation on order will help alot. Mystery solved. I will write this up in a wiki page. make it a little easier to find the collected wisdom of Sean. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
ceejay;176190 Wrote: So just which part of the SB would be affected by vibration, I wonder? Ceejay Dancing feet under the SB should help with PRAT. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
GaryB;176375 Wrote: You're assuming that I did this as a joke . . . I can't deny that, what with the lack of wires etc. No disrespect was intended though. Considering how well you know your way around the inside of the Sb, I wouldn't discount your opinion on any tweak. FWIW, I do own the audio points... -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
GaryB;176381 Wrote: The fact that there aren't good theories doesn't invalidate the observation of an experimental result. But you see, there is a perfectly good hypothesis, backed by centuries of scientific theory and experiment, that explains the result you reported above. It's got nothing to do with audio or physics and everything to do with psychology, but that doesn't detract at all from its explanatory power. Suppose someone told you your music would sound better if you wired $100 to his bank account. Would you feel compelled to try it before passing judgement? There are always a large number of possible explanations for any observation. The way we make progress is by investigating the most plausible, meaning the simplest and most consistent with our knowledge. If we tried to investigate every possible explanation, including those ruled out by past experiments, we'd never get anywhere. You haven't presented any credible evidence that there's an effect here. Please don't be offended, but the fact that you think you heard something isn't very meaningful (because it can be explained by psychology, and this is an extremely well-documented and known effect). If on the other hand you presented some hard evidence, like a double-blind test result or a measurement, the psychological explanation would no longer be adequate and the claim would be taken more seriously. Until then, it would be a waste of time for anyone to investigate. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
tyler_durden;176370 Wrote: This is the same sort of nonsense that has some people at DIYaudio.com trying to make heatsinks out of bronze and finishing the wood cases of their home made electronics (yes, wood!) with violin lacquer. Gee Tyler, I like building electronics in wood boxes. It's easier to work with wood than with metal and it looks better. Below are pictures of my homebrew gainclone amplifier. Sounds pretty good if I do say so myself. ---Gary +---+ |Filename: Back.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2339| +---+ -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
GaryB;176394 Wrote: Gee Tyler, I like building electronics in wood boxes. It's easier to work with wood than with metal and it looks better. Below are pictures of my homebrew gainclone amplifier. Sounds pretty good if I do say so myself. ---Gary That's a nice looking amp. Nothing wrong with making things pretty. And I don't doubt that it sounds really good. But you didn't claim it sounds better _because_ it's in a wood box rather than a metal one in your post. I think that was more what tyler was getting at (I could be putting words in his mouth, but his comments made me think of the Infamous Knob of Death). BTW, you've done a great job of keeping the tone of this discussion reasonably civilized, IMHO. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
opaqueice;176390 Wrote: You haven't presented any credible evidence that there's an effect here. Please don't be offended, but the fact that you think you heard something isn't very meaningful (because it can be explained by psychology in a way that's extremely well-documented and established as a fact). I think the difficulty I have with the whole double blind line of argument is the assumption that on one's own there will be tendency to hear differences because one has spent money on a tweak and one expects to hear a difference. I actually think that I have a natural bias against tweaks. I'm a cheapskate and don't like spending money on expensive audiophile gear. That's why I do so much DIY and modification of gear. So I go into listening tests expecting to hear no difference. But I often do hear a difference and while I can't always explain why I hear a difference, I am pretty confident that the difference exists. I'm not asking anyone to spend money since I am not in the audio business and have nothing for sale. I'm just suggesting that one listen for oneself. I'd be glad to let people listen to my stuff if they're interested in hearing what I hear. ---Gary -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
totoro;176397 Wrote: But you didn't claim it sounds better _because_ it's in a wood box rather than a metal one in your post. I think that was more what tyler was getting at (I could be putting words in his mouth, but his comments made me think of the Infamous Knob of Death). BTW, you've done a great job of keeping the tone of this discussion reasonably civilized, IMHO. Totoro, Thanks for the kind words about the tone of the discussion. Regarding Tyler's meaning, I took his parenthetical comment (yes wood!) to mean that he thought it ridiculous that anyone would build electronics in a wood case. Tyler, please jump in if I got that wrong. ---Gary -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
