Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. Resolution Audio Opus 21 CD Player
The Transporter sounds quite good in that it is very even across the frequency range... Hmm, the reviewer seems to prefer the CD player as it emphasises the bass; as his listening choices were indie rock/pop I guess that sounds 'better'. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36681 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
Hypnotoad;213374 Wrote: I expect the OP wanted to hear people for them and against them, their experiences and their reasons for their opinions. But the OP probably did not want to hear one group bashing the other because of their methodology in listening. Tomjtx's last post added nothing informative. I am rightly corrected on the objective vs. subjective issue. I am not sure what this methodological issue is called. To the contrary, my post pointed out that the poster may be subject to bias and/or placebo effect and is unwilling to do a simple test to rule out those factors. I, therefore, find it difficult to give his comments credence. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
I have been an audiofile for many years and tried a lot of different equipment both transistor/valve amplifiers, dynamic/electrostatic speakers. Some of my friends are constructors of HiFi-equipment and I have lend my ears for many critical listening sessions. It's very sad that you Seanadams has an negatively attitude to critisism. Isn't it important as a constructor/inventor to be openminded and try to listen to critical voices. Even if our problem sounds rather strange. I have contacted a friend/researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology here in Stockholm for help with the measurement. Maybe this measurement will tell us if everything is placebo or not. -- hammer65 hammer65's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
tomjtx;213399 Wrote: To the contrary, my post pointed out that the poster may be subject to bias and/or placebo effect and is unwilling to do a simple test to rule out those factors. I, therefore, find it difficult to give his comments credence. The problem with these 'simple tests' is that they are so simple as to be completely unrepresentative of the way that we normally listen to music. They can't therefore be scientifically valid. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
tomjtx;213399 Wrote: To the contrary, my post pointed out that the poster may be subject to bias and/or placebo effect and is unwilling to do a simple test to rule out those factors. I, therefore, find it difficult to give his comments credence. Did you try comparing the two transporters as transports only or did you not ? It might be true that the analog part is impossible to make better even do i find it hard to imagin since ther are companys that have made state of the aret transports and players since the late 80`s But my experince is purly what it sounds like as a transport I can see where this is heading and so far i have been called a complet lier and that the differences i heard with two transporters is purly my imagination and there for i must be a complet idiot. As i said it before im a seasoned audiophil and i dont get fooled When i had the stock transporter i listended to it for 4 hours a day for 2 weeks and every time it had a sligt glarness to the sound in the top , and it was there all the time The the aberdeen transporter where installed and the glare was gone simple as that when i/we installed the stock one in the glare came back its actually very simple you see when the differece is profound enourgh you dont neeed blindfold. People tend to spend a huge amounth of money on cables that have some pretty excotic explanitaions going on and people eat it and here tiny differences . Now here we have a company that CLEARLY improved the preformans off the transporter as transport why is that so bad ? I have gamut l3 speakers tact millennium mk3 linn klimax 500 solos and sonus faber cremonas speakers my system is high resolution top notch gear. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
I don't think it's that Sean has a negative attitude to criticism - quite the opposite, in fact. I think it's just that, given a detailed technical knowledge of how the equipment works, he can't see any reason whatsoever for the behaviour you're claiming. Nor can I. (And thank you Sean, it's nice to see actual science used in a hi-fi discussion for once!) I'm sure we can all agree that the sound that exists in your room depends on the electrical signal that comes out of the back of your Squeezebox - yes? So, for that sound to change, the electrical signal that comes out of your Squeezebox must also change. Agreed? Here's the difficulty. Sean has explained that 'switching the Squeezebox off' doesn't really do anything but change what's displayed on the screen. The hardware that drives the SPDIF output continues to do so, it just drives out zeros rather than music. There's no subtle internal change that occurs. In fact, given that you're using an external DAC, there really are very few variables that the SB could possibly affect even if it were designed to do so. - it could transmit a different pattern of ones and zeros. This would be a bug, and a dead easy one to spot simply by recording the SPDIF output digitally and comparing before/after. - the electrical characteristics of the driver could change, giving more or less noise, jitter, overshoot or other recognised degradation of a digital signal. These are defined by the choice of driver, PCB layout and clock source - hardware parameters that are set when the SB is manufactured. Fiddling with the remote won't change those. I don't think anyone's saying that you don't hear a difference - only that it's virtually impossible for the Squeezebox to actually be behaving differently when it sounds 'good' vs 'not so good' to your ears. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
hammer65 wrote: It's very sad that you Seanadams has an negatively attitude to critisism. Isn't it important as a constructor/inventor to be openminded and try to listen to critical voices. Even if our problem sounds rather strange. I have contacted a friend/researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology here in Stockholm for help with the measurement. Maybe this measurement will tell us if everything is placebo or not. Sean doesn't have a negative attitude to criticism. He is just getting frustrated that you still haven't proved that this phenomenon actually exists even though he has suggested ways you might do that. It's not for Slim Devices to discount every crackpot idea/suggestion/fault concerning their products. It's up to those who put forward the idea/suggestion/fault to demonstrate unequivocally that it exists and provide a mechanism to reproduce it. If you can do that then I'll bet dollars to dough nuts that Sean would be the first to take notice and work on fixing the issue. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
Patrick Dixon;213424 Wrote: The problem with these 'simple tests' is that they are so simple as to be completely unrepresentative of the way that we normally listen to music. They can't therefore be scientifically valid. I tend to agree with you but that dossent mean that the there are no improvments made in the aberdeen transporter and what i am clearly are hearing I will conduct a tripel dubbel blind test with my transporter when it returns from abeerdeen components both with my linn klimaxes and as transport only with my tact millenium. But i think that it dossent matter really because i think that there a psy effect going on here and that is that people like to beleive that what the are buying is made as good as it can ,the whole .the sound will supasse even the most excotic player, and bit perfect, makes people hypnotized and comfortbly , And when somone comes and say hey this guy can swap asome parts and it sounds alot better it rumbles ther there safe littel world and the quickly convinces them self that better sstick to what the company says. and i see it over and over again. people can beleive whatever the like best but really its not me thats the fool here -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
Cool it guys. He said he's going to do a blind test, so let's now wait for the results before flaming any more. Darren -- darrenyeats darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
On one hand, I agree we can't go much further without a blind test. AndyC_772;213429 Wrote: I think it's just that, given a detailed technical knowledge of how the equipment works, he can't see any reason whatsoever for the behaviour you're claiming. On the other hand, you are shooting down someone's experience based on whether someone can see a reason for it or not. Actually that is not a scientific approach either. So I urge hammer65 to do some significant blind testing so we can move on to a conclusion, or to more productive discussion. Darren -- darrenyeats darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
hammer65;213420 Wrote: I have been an audiofile for many years and tried a lot of different equipment both transistor/valve amplifiers, dynamic/electrostatic speakers. Some of my friends are constructors of HiFi-equipment and I have lend my ears for many critical listening sessions. It's very sad that you Seanadams has an negatively attitude to critisism. Isn't it important as a constructor/inventor to be openminded and try to listen to critical voices. Even if our problem sounds rather strange. I have contacted a friend/researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology here in Stockholm for help with the measurement. Maybe this measurement will tell us if everything is placebo or not. Sean *is* being open minded. He has explained how the SB is designed, what different functions do, and reported on his own measurements and listening tests. He and others in the forum have also patiently explained how to test things yourself. So far you not only haven't proven anything, but you haven't even presented any serious data, or even given the impression that you are willing to provide data to back up your claim. One supposed blind test with N=5 is it. Why not *do* some of the tests that have been suggested, such as recording and comparing the digital output, post the data here, and then we can discuss the issue. If you can't back up your claims with real data then there is nothing to investigate further. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
--- so what MODs do we have yet: - transporter MOD from aberdeen/mauimods and I found the upcoming transporter TUBE (!) MOD (according to manufacturer to be finalized this month!) check it out here: http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=41197.new;topicseen#new surely a tube mod will bring some warmth and like sean said distortion (harmonic?) + even more noise level into the sound. but yes, if it sounds better to my ears and the details and dynamics are still there, I'll be with it. here some more info (just some facts!): we are working on a (TRANSPORTER) mod that replaces the stock analog stage with our own Class A analog stage. I expect to offer a mod with internal PS and single-ended tube stage (6H30 tube) for ~ $1250 US and a mod with external PS and balanced tube stage, for ~ $2K US. does any one has any experience with former stuff from modwright.com and the sound quality? -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | BW Nautilus 802 D | Live musicians at the end of my room! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
seanadams;213366 Wrote: I forgot to mention also that what sounds good to you might in fact be a bunch of added distortion or noise, a non-linear frequency response, or simply a couple more dB of amplitude. All easy to do by hacking the analog stage, intentionally or not. Heck, most people like the sound of compression! How can more distorsion in a digital signal result in less glare ? Keep in mind that im not using the analog stage at all in my system the tact millennium is basicly a dac with amplifire so a transport is the only thing needed. I did use the transporter as preamp/player with a icepowr amp and Nad amp and heard no audioble glare. When it returns i will hear it on my new 25.000 usd klimax solos -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. Resolution Audio Opus 21 CD Player
I am a former Resolution Audio owner and dealer, and the Opus 21 is still one of my favorite CD players; it is one of the most natural-sounding players I've heard, with very refined high frequency, smooth midrange, and full-bodied presentation. In contrast to the SonicFlare review, my only complaint about it was that I didn't feel it had the bass speed to really make it sound impactful relative to other CD players in the price range. Compared to the Transporter, I will admit to preferring the sound of the Opus 21 (and at nearly twice the price, you would expect the Opus 21 to sound better). I thnk the Transporter is likely a bit more precise, but does not have the organic sound quality that has made the Opus 21 famous. That said, I think the differences between high end digital sources like the Transporter and the Opus 21 are incremental, as compared to the dramatic differences you'd find between different speakers, amps, and preamps. So for the $1500 price difference between the Transporter and Opus 21, you could probably find an external DAC that would close the gap even further, maybe even surpassing it. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36681 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
seanadams;213337 Wrote: Quoi? Are you suggesting noisier power supplies sound better? I didn't say that! I have tried at least 5 versions of opamp based regulators (including ones I've designed myself many years ago before the Jung versions appeared) and have not been happy with the subjective results of any of them. I don't know why this should be because logic dictates they should be excellent. Maybe they struggle to deal with vhf noise effectively? I don't know the answer, but my preference is to use other types of regulator. I'm in the minority, but there are others who hold a similar view: http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37005 -- S-Man S-Man's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9593 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
hammer65;213420 Wrote: I have been an audiofile for many years and tried a lot of different equipment both transistor/valve amplifiers, dynamic/electrostatic speakers. Some of my friends are constructors of HiFi-equipment and I have lend my ears for many critical listening sessions. It's very sad that you Seanadams has an negatively attitude to critisism. Isn't it important as a constructor/inventor to be openminded and try to listen to critical voices. Even if our problem sounds rather strange. I have contacted a friend/researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology here in Stockholm for help with the measurement. Maybe this measurement will tell us if everything is placebo or not. Don't be upset in anything... apart from some little jokes, everybody there had been open minded and respectful. You don't need to contact royal institute and claim your friends all call you golden hear... Just do the little mesurements asked since a few days now and show the results there... -- vrobin vrobin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
harmonic wrote: When it returns i will hear it on my new 25.000 usd klimax solos Ah, I see. They cost $25,000 so they must be good. Right. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Sean - isn't it the case that a difference between the two states is that the SB buffer will stay full during power on/off whereas the buffer will be flushed and then start to refill during the initial moments of playback after a track skip? I'm just exploring some avenues - My wife and 16-year old daughter claimed to hear a difference (more bass, more meaty sound) last night much to my astonishment. I know this isn't very scientific... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
harmonic;213464 Wrote: No the sound good and cost 25,000 usd Regardless of their cost they are superb - just wish I could justify buying them! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
Robin Bowes;213460 Wrote: harmonic wrote: When it returns i will hear it on my new 25.000 usd klimax solos Ah, I see. They cost $25,000 so they must be good. Right. R. No the sound good and cost 25,000 usd -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrading the Power Supply
Well I was highly suspect about a new power supply improving the sound. Especially because I use the digital coax feed into my AV amp. But after all these threads I decided there must be some merit. So I bought the CPC one. http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/Batteries++Power+Supplies/AC+to+DC/UNBRANDED/AD-05150R/displayProduct.jsp?sku=PW00187 On initially listening there is a difference which I was amazed at. The bass seems much 'richer' and sounds closer to my CD player. So I think there has been an improvement. My system is not high end but as an upgrade I think the supply is an improvement. -- bert1e bert1e's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1419 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] budget system help
I have just got my squeezebox 3 and have a Qnap 500GB on the way so I now have to order the rest of my system as the SB is currently sitting on an embarrassed mini-system. Living in Ireland so not many shops with demo rooms (the main option is www.richersounds.ie) so I am relying on a little research for my first system. I have not found much info on the T515 but the SB3 would be the main source. Does anyone have any suggestions on these setups? I was thinking of: Primary source: SB3 Secondary source + DVD: NAD T515 HDMI Amp: NAD C352 external A/B speaker switch Speakers A: Monitor Audio RS1 Speakers B: Monitor Audio BR2 or: Primary source: SB3 Secondary source + DVD: Cambridge Audio DVD89 HDMI Amp: CA 640a v2 Speakers A: Monitor Audio RS1 Speakers B: Monitor Audio BR2 -- flatface flatface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36696 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
truckfighters;213445 Wrote: --- so what MODs do we have yet: - transporter MOD from aberdeen/mauimods and I found the upcoming transporter TUBE (!) MOD (according to manufacturer to be finalized this month!) check it out here: http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=41197.new;topicseen#new surely a tube mod will bring some warmth and like sean said distortion (harmonic?) + even more noise level into the sound. but yes, if it sounds better to my ears and the details and dynamics are still there, I'll be with it. here some more info (just some facts!): we are working on a (TRANSPORTER) mod that replaces the stock analog stage with our own Class A analog stage. I expect to offer a mod with internal PS and single-ended tube stage (6H30 tube) for ~ $1250 US and a mod with external PS and balanced tube stage, for ~ $2K US. does any one has any experience with former stuff from modwright.com and the sound quality? Modwright is unlike most other modders in that they also produce their own line of gear which has garnered some excellent reviews. They appear to be a very professional company. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
hammer65;213420 Wrote: I have been an audiofile for many years and tried a lot of different equipment both transistor/valve amplifiers, dynamic/electrostatic speakers. Some of my friends are constructors of HiFi-equipment and I have lend my ears for many critical listening sessions. I think Sean has made it clear many times that he designed the SB3 and transporter to faithfully reproduce the audio, without adding anything to the signal that might color the sound. Folks who create amplifiers are very often looking to add/enhance particular dynamics in the audio. Your friends may very well value your ears when it comes to telling them if something sounds right to you. That's perfectly fine, but not at all relevant to the discussion of the DIGITAL OUTPUT STAGE on the SB3. Your claim is that the digital output on the SB3 has a problem.You base this on human perception of the analog output (filtered through your system and speakers). Sean has tested the digital stage and can see no problems. He's basing this on measurement equipment connected directly to the DIGITAL stage. Human beings, no matter how much they may want to believe otherwise, can be influenced in their perceptions. Measurement equipment is designed to isolate external influences and provide an accurate picture. See the problem? Your claim about the digital stage is based entirely in analog perception, while Sean has verified the digital output using digital test equipment. No one has disputed that YOU, personally, PERCEIVE a problem, or that your friends, neighbors, and measurement guys with royal pedigrees, PERCEIVE a problem. The issue is simply that you haven't given anyone enough data to confirm the problem. Can you please, please, please try the SCIENTIFIC methods of recording/comparing that have been repeatedly suggested in this thread? It's very sad that you Seanadams has an negatively attitude to critisism. Isn't it important as a constructor/inventor to be openminded and try to listen to critical voices. Even if our problem sounds rather strange. Actually, I've found Sean to be very open to input on his products. He's incredibly passionate about them being the best they possibly can be and I've never seen him react negatively to someone who has information that will help him make the product better. I have contacted a friend/researcher at the Royal Institute of Technology here in Stockholm for help with the measurement. Maybe this measurement will tell us if everything is placebo or not. Excellent. Can you PLEASE have him perform the tests suggested here? If you come back with a answer that he hears it too and haven't run the tests that have been suggested, I'll have to lock this thread as simply a very long, elaborate troll (and then I'll go have the hook surgically removed). -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Phil Leigh;213469 Wrote:
Sean - isn't it the case that a difference between the two states is
that the SB buffer will stay full during power on/off whereas the
buffer will be flushed and then start to refill during the initial
moments of playback after a track skip?
That is right, but the point is that these are normal playback controls
that take place all the time. Power on/off does nothing special - it
just uses those same playback mechanisms to stop/pause/resume the audio
and put different pictures on the screen.
I'm just exploring some avenues - My wife and 16-year old daughter
claimed to hear a difference (more bass, more meaty sound) last
night much to my astonishment. I know this isn't very scientific...
I think there is also a lot of misunderstanding with respect to what
it's even possible to do accidentally do a digital signal. I can't for
example, implement the following:
if (powering_on) {
meat++;
}
For two reasons. #1) The player simply has no notion of a power on vs
power off state. It is a thin client. It just puts stuff on the screen
and plays what the server tells it to play. and #2) meatiness, assuming
that means perhaps bass response or something, it not something that can
be applied to a digital signal without some very complex and deliberate
processing, the facilities for which do not even EXIST in the firmware.
It is just not possible to subtly modify a digital stream in such a way,
unless you really really try to. The only things you could accidentally
do is change the volume level and add some noise or crackling, and
those too would be immediately evident by looking at the data.
By contrast, in the analog world it is quite easy to make all sorts of
tweaks to the sound, intentionally or not, and it's even plausible that
some powering on behavior like components warming up might affect the
sound. Furthermore, some such changes can in fact be subtle and
difficult to detect by ear. I imagine Omega et al are old school
audiophiles who are carrying all these preconceived expectations with
them into the digital world where it simply doesn't work like that.
--
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
seanadams;213508 Wrote: I imagine Omega et al are old school audiophiles who are carrying all these preconceived expectations with them into the digital world where it simply doesn't work like that. I remember reading somewhere that skipping back to track one, rather than simply hitting play, improved the sound of some CD players. It was the first thing that came to mind when I read the thread, but I couldn't find any google references. Never did get around to trying that one out. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Anyone wanting to understand the slim architecture more and the impact of powering off and on the player could try turning on the d_slimproto_v debugging and looking at the lines which starts sending. This shows all the control frames sent from the server the player. You will see that the difference between pausing and unpausing a track and pausing, powering off, powering on and unpausing is minimal - just a few different grfe (graphic i.e. display frames). This is the reason for the arguement that nothing special is happening by powering off... -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Skunk;213517 Wrote: I remember reading somewhere that skipping back to track one, rather than simply hitting play, improved the sound of some CD players. It was the first thing that came to mind when I read the thread, but I couldn't find any google references. Never did get around to trying that one out. I've read lots of unlikely things about how to make equipment sound better. Some of the more entertaining ones are at http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html :) -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] budget system help
Arcam Solo and BW CM-1 speakers - about £1500? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36696 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
seanadams;213508 Wrote:
That is right, but the point is that these are normal playback controls
that take place all the time. Power on/off does nothing special - it
just uses those same playback mechanisms to stop/pause/resume the audio
and put different pictures on the screen.
I think there is also a lot of misunderstanding with respect to what
it's even possible to do accidentally do a digital signal. I can't for
example, implement the following:
if (powering_on) {
meat++;
}
For two reasons. #1) The player simply has no notion of a power on vs
power off state. It is a thin client. It just puts stuff on the screen
and plays what the server tells it to play. and #2) meatiness, assuming
that means perhaps bass response or something, it not something that can
be applied to a digital signal without some very complex and deliberate
processing, the facilities for which do not even EXIST in the firmware.
It is just not possible to subtly modify a digital stream in such a way,
unless you really really try to. The only things you could accidentally
do is change the volume level and add some noise or crackling, and
those too would be immediately evident by looking at the data.
By contrast, in the analog world it is quite easy to make all sorts of
tweaks to the sound, intentionally or not, and it's even plausible that
some powering on behavior like components warming up might affect the
sound. Furthermore, some such changes can in fact be subtle and
difficult to detect by ear. I imagine Omega et al are old school
audiophiles who are carrying all these preconceived expectations with
them into the digital world where it simply doesn't work like that.
I'm with you all the way - thanks for the response. It's a shame that
the meat++ function can't be implemented - can I file an enhancement
request ;o)
Seriously, I know that the digital stream can't be accidentally
manipulated in a way that creates analogue phenomena such as dynamics,
frequency response changes or improved l/r imaging...
...but I wonder if there is some psycho-acoustic issue here that is
nothing to do with the SB. It struck me while I was attempting to test
this effect that if I hit rapidly pause and then unpause my brain
knows exactly what the next bit of music is going to sound like.
Whereas, if I skip to another track or even (as I was doing) the
beginning of the same track I am forcing my brain to do some odd
processing and maybe that is what is creating the perceived change in
sound.
Just a theory...
I have the same DAC as Omega - and at the weekend I chopped out the
unnecessary output muting transistors and damped the crystal and DAC
and the improvement was clear to my whole family straight away with no
discussion required. Maybe this is a DAC issue (although heaven knows
how).
Regards
Phil
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very expensive cables ;o)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
jeffmeh;213513 Wrote: I cannot resist http://www.ghsn.net/powerpoint/snrs_gif/sld040.htm That, by the way, is genius :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
I have thought that the Squeezebox sounded better after a restart !!! But I never tried hard to confirm this. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Phil Leigh;213540 Wrote: snip Maybe this is a DAC issue (although heaven knows how). I like this theory. The TacT RCS is known to get into a bad input state where the sound quality is degraded. Cycling through the inputs fixes the problem. How about trying powering the DAC off and on (or maybe cycling the inputs) instead of cycling the SB3 and seeing if that changes the sound? Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
krochat;213580 Wrote: I like this theory. The TacT RCS is known to get into a bad input state where the sound quality is degraded. Cycling through the inputs fixes the problem. How about trying powering the DAC off and on (or maybe cycling the inputs) instead of cycling the SB3 and seeing if that changes the sound? Kim I'll try it... but given the way the SB works (ie it doesn't actually cycle at all) I'm not sure. Bear in mind I have the TACT 2.2x whereas Omega doesn't... Also I am using the Altmann gear between TACT and DAC. Just so we all know - I'm totally unconvinced so far but I'm in the midst of tweaking my DAC so I am doing lots of caefull listening. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
AndyC_772;213523 Wrote: I've read lots of unlikely things about how to make equipment sound better. Some of the more entertaining ones are at http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html :) Yeah, to suggest that growing pot in the listening room will improve the sound takes the cake. http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html Wrote: Plain piece of Blue paper under any vase of flowers or any pot plant in the listening room. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
ah, the paper has to be Blue! -- Bob Bressler Bob Audio Note CDT-Two-Audio Note DAC5 + Slim Transporter-Spectral DMC-20-Kassai amp-Audio Note AN Es Bob Bressler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2217 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I replace my cables every 1000 hours
Unless the surface oxidation gets between the connector and the wire. The Green won't do anything to the sound. Do you think high tension wires from power stations have to clean the oxidation off the wires every so often? -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36658 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
harmonic;213464 Wrote: Its funny how people act on this forum in real life hifi gathrings its like going to a te party when people are discussing I suppose that is what I was trying to point out with my above post. I am interested in getting a slimdevice of some sort and I find the forum here actively unpleasant. That is really unfortunate. It makes me not want to come here, which in turn makes it less likely that I'll buy a Transporter. Of course, if I am convinced that it is the best, I will go for it. But I am less likely to be convinced if I avoid the forum. -- Hypnotoad Hypnotoad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
i have a question that could go in many different forums here, thought i'd try it here. bolder suggests using version 1.5 of slimserver to correct for phase issues (i think that's right, audiocircle's server is down right now and i can't pull it up). anyways, the program written to roll back to earlier slim builds is for pc and i have a mac, osx 10.4. anyone know another way to do this or have other suggestions, i really do not want to switch my speaker wires every time i change inputs. -- ratso ratso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRC/Inguz and Microphone Calibration
I recently had my Behringer ECM8000 microphone calibrated by Cross-Spectrum Labs with some interesting results (cost $50, http://www.cross-spectrum.com/measurement/mike_meas.html). A very different calibration file was the result. See the attached graph -- green is the stock ecm8000.txt file that comes with DRC, red is the calibration file for my ECM8000 with a Tascam US-122L preamp/USB interface. The calibrator's experience with about a dozen ECM8000s is that though they show pretty good response (esp for the price), but they are all over the place. Haven't done a ton of listening with this, but immediately had to switch from 'normal' to 'soft' -- it was just too bright and there was some occasional weird digital distortion (maybe it was clipping). Further experimentation with different target curves now required. Curious if others have had their mics calibrated and if the results were as surprising. +---+ |Filename: cal vs uncal.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3041| +---+ -- muski SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B-SST-Watt Puppy 7s Transporter-Headrom Max Balanced Amp-Balanced AKG701s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36716 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
Versions of the Squeezebox2/3 firmware after 15 -corrected- phase. Pre-15 the phase was backwards. If a modder reversed your phase, then you have a choice: 1) Correct it by reversing the phase on your cables. 2) Correct it by using an ancient version of the firmware that is no longer supported and doesn't support things like OGG or Squeezenetwork. If no one reversed your phase, then ignore the silliness. I will leave it up to you which solution you wish. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
yup of course all my files would also be OGG! oh well. maybe we'll get lucky and sean will add an optional build we can download that reverses phase. i give this place a lot of credit, they have always been pretty open to have people poking and prodding at their device. very commendable. -- ratso ratso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
Did someone mod your SB and reverse the phase? That is the real question... And if they did, just un-reverse it at the cables. (Or use the digital output.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Skunk;213590 Wrote: Yeah, to suggest that growing pot in the listening room will improve the sound takes the cake. Wow, that's a pretty egregious typo there... I believe the original said: smoking pot in the listen room will improve the sound and make you hungry for cake. -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
snarlydwarf;213633 Wrote: And if they did, just un-reverse it at the cables. This is phase, or really _polarity_ he's talking about, not swapped L/R channels. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
seanadams wrote: This is phase, or really _polarity_ he's talking about, not swapped L/R channels. And you can fix phase or polarity at one speaker by swapping the speaker leads. But more importantly, there is no *real* reason to want to use ancient firmware such as version 15. And I can't imagine wanting to use SlimServer version 1.5, I've been using SlimServer for years and it started in the 5.x series then. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
Pat Farrell;213637 Wrote: And you can fix phase or polarity at one speaker by swapping the speaker leads. Except that would effectively reverse the phase of all your other sources too. Of course, if you have a Squeezebox you wouldn't need anything else, so I guess that's a moot point. ;) -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] rolling back slimserver
seanadams;213636 Wrote: This is phase, or really _polarity_ he's talking about, not swapped L/R channels. Right, so swap red/black (not red/white). -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
seanadams;211343 Wrote: (spinning a new thread from http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=211286postcount=45) This is about the same as complaining that you can't scratch on a CD player the same way you could on last century's phonograph... except that in this case it is a bit less obvious why you can't. It's clear from the tone of your comment that you don't care why, you just want it to work. That's fine, you can stop reading here, but in case anyone else wants to know, I will explain. Featuritis and stability and simply incompatible goals, and to make the assertion that ff/rw is an essential or trivial feature that must be implemented, while at the same time calling for software that just works, is not really constructive. Most of us have little or no need for scanning, and just because a CD player does it does not automatically mean it is a good idea to make Squeezebox do it. Thank you for this great explanation! It's great to have some understanding of how things are working in the background. My only gripe is that *it says in the manual that it should work* - there is no mention of it requiring special formats or anything else. -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
thomsens;212715 Wrote: People who think that it should work like a CD player should just get over it. We just need a solution to move around songs easily. Any reasonable solution is probably ok. I'm not going to respond to this snide stuff. Point is that you are arguing from where the product is. If you wanted to, you could have designed it day one to support it. Perhaps that would involved more complex buffering and memory required to do it...and maybe GE instead of 10/100. But, you chose not to and now the product has a deficiency. If I knew how to code it myself, I would have built the product myself and wouldn't be on this forum now would I? I mean no offense Sean - you've built an awesome product. But, it has an unfortunate flaw that does drive me crazy...apparently there are others too. Sorry - the last thing I was trying to be was snide. This is absolutely correct - all we need is a reasonable and effective way to move around songs. A method like on iPod where there is no audiable feedback is just as good (for my needs anyway)! The only reason I locked on to the CD player part is because it is perfectly clear to me that that is the way Slim Devices envisaged this operating with their product in the first place. I make this assumption because the manual states it - words to the effect of Hold the FF button to skip forward within a song - is it not reasonable of me to expect that I could follow this direction out of the manual and have an expected outcome? -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
seanadams;212721 Wrote: I articulated as best I could why it is not feasible. If you have a better idea I am all ears, but I don't think it is reasonable to insist that it can be done without having any idea how. I just want to state what a fantastic product the Squeezebox is. Let that be on record. Now, I'm not insisting that FF/REW (or anything else) can be done - BUT I am insisting that the Squeezebox will do what the manual says it will do. I don't think that is unreasonable. Constructively, all I need is a way to move around songs - the iPod scenario (choose a point in the song without audiable feedback) is fine. -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Sean, My wife suggested a solution to the problem raised in this thread: A Placebo Package download. I understand that there might be some engineering effort involved. There will also be some marketing effort to create suitable names for the package. However, I think it will be cost effective in the long run. (And you don't have to re-engineer the Placebo Package for every problem.) In the meantime, keep doing real engineering. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
amey01;213645 Wrote: all I need is a way to move around songs So until slimdevices improves this, you should try the SongScanner plugin, seems to be working great for me, provides just this functionality. I'm having some trouble remapping it to the ff/rw button hold, but this should be possible. You can also get to it pretty quickly by moving it to the top level of menus in the player settings. -- bephillips More than 33159 songs on 3246 albums by 2029 artists. Mostly flac, some mp3. SlimServer Version: 6.5.3 - 12361 Mac OS X 10.4.10 (8R218) - EN - utf8 Perl Version: 5.8.6 darwin-thread-multi-2level MySQL Version: 5.0.22-standard On a 1.2GHz G4 Mac iBook with 768MB RAM http://db.etree.org/bephillips bephillips's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
