Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] underclocking RPi to reduce jitter by matching clock with standard sample rates
Don't believe it will impact the i2s clock either way. Just use an asynchronous usb DAC and you can ignore the performance of the source completely. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110702 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BLIND TEST INVITE: Do digital audio players sound different?
I think it's just another way of presenting music. If you compare to the visual arts for a long time there was a striving to "reproduce" and not interpret, but it changed. Techniques came in on how to interpret images to make them the most impactful they can be. I think the advances of production techniques have allowed more creativity in the way the final sound will, ahem, sound. Done well, the compressed sound fills a certain need, providing a hugely impactful direct, driving sound that has a place in the list of options out there, but.. I do wish it wasn't so needlessly applied to less stylised music across the board. And it's just so *badly* applied in so many cases that it has a really bad name. I've lost count how many albums I can't listen to because of distortion caused by over compression, and that's just dumb. I suspect the music industry is still suffering from teenage fads and when it's reached maturity and tech like this has been done to death and the novelty goes away things will hopefully improve a little. Perhaps I'll still be able to hear over about 10khz by the time that happens I doubt it.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110104 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hahahahahahahahaha
Like most hi-end hifi companies they just buy the software platform in and do a bit of case/logo engineering for these types of products. As these are low volume products (and always will be, they simply can't make a lot of them) they need to make high margins. The buyers know this, and they understand there is *some* value in the "rare" nature of the product, whether it performs any different from anything else or not. No intrinsic value, of course, just a perceptual value. Personally I'm not interested in the rarity value and will stick to digital sources that are well enough engineered to be reliable and no more than that.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Sorry, to be clear my comment was addressing the first part of your previous post where you pondered if two channel amps with "sub out" ports would actually bother with frequency filtering - and I think they don't. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Actually apart from the modern DSP-equipped digital amps with subwoofer outs I think you'll likely find that almost all "sub outs" on analogue two channel gear are essentially rebadged pre-outs with no frequency filtering applied. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Hilarity Never Stops
ralphpnj wrote: > loudness wars.. A terrible thing to do to any music. Those recordings are for listening to in the car. Hopefully whilst driving as fast as possible. Never, ever, play them on the big system in the house. It'll just hurt. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
I don't think it's an indictment of human hearing that people like LP so much. More a reflection of the fact that the net result of all the inevitable distortions seems to flatter the audio in the first place, making it better fit the home audio playback environment at lower listening levels and mitigating the worst mastering disasters too. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
To be fair I have a pair of fairly beefy three-way floorstanding b 804s being driven by a Naim amplifier, so they are pretty well extended anyway and I don't feel the need for a sub even for movies (the room is not very big either). Clearly deep bass is pretty important for my enjoyment of music too (analogue synths generated a lot of it). Movies do get the audigy room correction applied though I bypass the AV amp for music. I don't enjoy good music any less on other smaller systems around the house though I would say listening is much less critical on those. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Music has very little below 35-40hz anyway, and although it's certainly true that there is stuff missing (in some recordings) without a full frequency response it is very much unnecessary for conveying the enjoyment and energy of most types of music. Truth is a lot of people prefer vinyl because it has a big fat slow bass to it that flows and flatters the sound, much like using small speakers that use resonance in their bass output to fill the gaps in their natural frequency response. Ironic that people spend so much money on high end equipment to tighten up the bass response and avoid this, then buy subs or play LPs to put it back again! :) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer recomendations
Do audiophiles buy subs then? I thought the hard core audiophile wouldn't trust third party amplification for any part of their playback frequency range -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Just have an old LP next to the deck, get it out the sleeve and drop the needle on it. While having the deck wired to start playing the flac files on your squeezebox in the background... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter switching itself on
It's normal, nothing ever truly turns off, they just disable certain circuits. Eg. the transporter is connected to LMS, it will stay alive to keep that connection alive and so it can receive commands. So although I don't have a transporter I know that for example the digital out from an SBT never goes down unless you yank the power cable out the back. I would imagine the Tr is the same. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108721 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] More info on the intona
Can't read the text in your attachment, it seems to be 102 bytes in size! -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 20 interesting facts about MQA
Julf wrote: > The FLAC header already includes a MD5 checksum...Our work here is done... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108280 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 20 interesting facts about MQA
So, someone needs to add a checksum field to flac headers and then you have "authenticated" audio of a higher standard in a smaller package.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108280 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Final MQA Round-Up...
Archimago wrote: > > As for this: > -"Anyhow, I'm not sure demo gear comes to anyone for free for real."- -- > drmatt > > No. Nothing is really for free. The price is that of a review of sorts > and at least an endorsement, right? > > As for Chord, I have heard some great sounds from these at the local > audio show and showroom. The most interesting thing about these DACs I > think is how they've taken the opposite direction from MQA. Instead of > weak, poorly antialiasing digital filters of something like 32 to 64 > taps with MQA, they implement very long "brick wall" type filters with > tens of thousands of taps. If time domain performance were about impulse > responses, this is like giving the finger to Bob Stuart and MQA's > typical presentation material ;). Yeah a review. If not an endorsement a fair shot at least. But it's true to say that no company is going to ship a ton of stuff at their own cost to people who consistently say unpleasant stuff about it. The best review sites are the ones who buy the gear themselves (opticallimits.com for example.). Yes, I really liked the Hugo, but didn't like it as much as the Mytek which I got for a third the price.. The FPGA approach was interesting. They threw so much hardware at the DAC part of the FPGA they ran out of space to implement stuff like a "default volume level", you know, things like that.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Final MQA Round-Up...
I didn't say "better" did I? I just said different. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Final MQA Round-Up...
Have you tried the Chord Hugo/TT and friends? Not mqa certified I think, but quite different sounding from others, IME. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Final MQA Round-Up...
Mytek offer a no quibble 30 day money back deal if you buy direct on their website... ;) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
If I could be bothered I'd try it out.. happy with what I have though. Like calibrating a TV, I can't see it ever being a bad thing though. Just wish it was easier to get right on a hifi context. Doddle in an AV context of course. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
No, I do think that a well done room correction would always be a good thing. Like human perception of white balance (or rather colour constancy) though you always know what colour things are in a scene the overall white balance is perceived as a mood rather than a colour shift. Fix the white balance and you change the mood without changing the perceived image itself.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
Hi again. Yes, the driver plus its cabinet defines the resonance properties of the transducer and that defines the observed impedance much more than the crossover electronics does, I believe. If you have scope to test it, replace the speaker drivers with an 8 ohm resistor and look at the flatness of the impedance profile! The 804s are much larger.. the 805s have a single combined bass/mid driver while the 804s have a pair of 6" woofers for bass alone and a separate 6" FST midrange, both in separate compartments within the body of the speaker. The bass section has a front firing bass port, which does certainly make the speaker less badly behaved in the corner of a room though. The 804 is the same diameter as the 805 though, so the midrange cabinet is broadly similar, though in the 804 it doesn't have to handle anything below 200hz.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
Speaker drivers are incredibly reactive to input frequency and this is what drives the varying impedance of most speaker cabinets. Physics dictates this. It's easy to push a cone that's oscillating at its resonant frequency and very hard to push it significantly faster than this. Not that any of this matters to the end user. One factor not thus far discussed is that in small rooms sitting fairly close to speakers you can wind up in a near field monitor type scenario, whereby the sound coming to your ears is predominantly direct from the speakers rather than standing waves or reflected off other room surfaces. Add in large amount of typical living room furniture and that means you can quite successfully have large speakers in small rooms, as long as you sit in the right place.. this probably explains why I get away with a pair of 804s in a small room fed by a Naim amp. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
In truth whatever you choose your ears will adapt to it and unless it's chronically ill suited to your tastes it will be quite enjoyable. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
Just to keep everyone guessing, I would personally recommend floorstanding speakers for music and there's very little need for a subwoofer.. I do have B in mind however.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
Antoniop wrote: > Then, we're coming back to my point : Should I buy a transporter, that I > could use as the digital source and the DAC, or use a SBT as a digital > source with a recent external DAC, such as this one '*Rotel RDD-1580 *' > (https://www.whathifi.com/rotel/rdd-1580/review)not too pricey, with a > good amp, like the cambridge cxa60 or the 'Rega Brio' > (https://www.whathifi.com/rega/brio/review) ?Well exactly, buy the TP if you > just like its look or you want to use its analogue stages, but I wouldn't buy one just as a digital source. If you're just looking for a digital source you already have one.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
Correct, never met a dlna playback device that is as satisfying to use as an LMS end point. Add the colour touchscreen and numerous android/iPhone apps and it's game over, frankly. Win for the squeezeboxes. As for sound quality, I'm extremely happy with my SBT, Mytek DAC and Supernait amp combo. (I stopped using the built-in DAC on the Supernait because the mytek sounds subtlely different, in a good way, to me.) I demoed the Cyrus amps but found them not to my tastes, and I've never really liked a Marantz amp long enough to put the batteries in the remote.. but they are all options which may work for you.. or may not! I demoed the NAD D7050 too. I think Arcam and Cambridge Audio may well also have digital amps, as do a few other brands. For reference I could not hear any difference in audio quality using the same setup fed digital data from a Chromecast audio, but that's obvious: sound character is determined in the analogue domain. I prefer the SBT as a digital source however. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying a transporter these days
What he said. ^^ The ripping part is a pain in the ass but once done it's done. I have an offboard DAC for my SBT going to a stereo amplifier for music playback, which also is fed front left/right signals from an AV amp for TV/film duties. Best of both worlds. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107946 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs. Touch via digital outputs
I've tried all the digital outs on the touch and heard no difference, so I settled back to the optical because I like the idea of not dealing with potential power noise. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107857 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Ok so if I understand correctly you're quoting the number of bits the 32 bit volume control can reduce by without truncation, and if a DAC chip quotes a 64 bit volume control this quoted value would double to "20 bits" volume range, but would still represent the exact same amount of DB volume difference at output..? -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
I was assuming the volume was operated similar to Squeezebox, i.e. by modifying the input stream to the DAC and using its output as-is. Is that not what you're referring to here? I believe that's how the transporter works. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
True enough. Further, noting that the SNR of even a top end 24 or 32 bit DAC is rarely much greater than about 20 bits (making the high bit count designation totally pointless), it seems likely that you really only get about 6-8 bits digital attenuation before you lose something into noise. Whether this is audible is not something I'd care to debate however. It's not something I'd choose to run with on a reference system though. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
More comments when I have more time, but iirc the digital volume control is only "bit perfect" when volume is reduced by less than 8 bits, or approx 32db. If you lower it further it truncates even 16 bit sources. Documentation suggests both the transporter and the mytek achieve >20 bit accuracy, so it is simply not true to suggest the Mytek is "better" in any significant way, it is just "different", though different in a way you prefer. But I also think it's not fair to compare a DAC operating in full bit depth then regulated by an analogue attenuator against a DAC running with heavy digital attenuation. At the end of the day without a reference volume level that the guy in the mastering studio was aiming at, home audio is a guess. And given that no two CDs are mastered to the same reference, more so. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
FWIW I don't doubt you can hear a difference between two DACs in a scenario like this. You may also actually have a faulty transporter (or power unit), which would colour the analogue output much more. You are also talking about two bits of kit designed with different aims, fifteen or so years apart. The transporter punched extremely highly in its pursuit of neutrality and accuracy. Two other points - Mytek state that their analogue pre-amp volume control colours the sound that comes out of the device. I've noted this on my 192DSD as well. Comparing this with the digital volume control on the transporter (I don't have one so right now I'm assuming that's what it is) isn't the same. And finally I've found that systems from the so-called "neutral" end of the scale require you to listen in to find the details, they aren't presented so obviously. This does not mean they are less detailed just that the sound presents this differently. I have no logical explanation as to why. I assume it comes down to very small frequency response shifts, or small amounts of dynamic compression; after all "air and space" is most likely high frequency background noise, but have no experimental results to back these theories up. I don't have the time to care too much so I buy kit I like at prices I like without trying to think about it too much... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET BLIND TEST: MQA Core Decoding vs. Standard Hi-Res Audio
Yep it's probably one of the best sources there is to test with. I have downloaded your samples and appreciate your concise tagging efforts! Had visions of them disappearing all over my library and having to browse by file location.. EDO on the SBT works fine, I don't see "192k" written on my DAC very often, but there it is..! -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET BLIND TEST: MQA Core Decoding vs. Standard Hi-Res Audio
What are the origins of 2L's mqa files? I remember looking at some of their sample material before. Not my type of music I have to say, hard for me to get into it.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
Yes and no, the inherent alignment on word/cache line boundaries can improve performance regardless of whether the data represents an FP or INT value. Subsequent processing in FP brings its own problems though, I agree. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
Julf wrote: > My solution is mp3fs that automatically synchronizes a compressed > version of my uncompressed files. Heh, I just wrote a script. :) I wound up with three copies on disk because I then have another ogg set where I've force normalised the audio data (android doesn't support replaygain). -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
Julf wrote: > Definitely. They are basically an unnecessarily complicated way of > storing 24-bit data in a 32-bit container. Floating point makes sense > for data with a widely varying range, but not for well-constrained audio > data. Tbh there are other reasons people want to do this; programming with a 32 bit word length on all your data is in some ways better and certainly intrinsically more efficient inside the CPU itself, though of course it doesn't add anything of any benefit to the content. We've been running pointlessly 32 bit graphics displays for a decade or two when there's only 24 bits of colour information. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
ralphpnj wrote: > Quick question: > > What would you do with 192kHz, 176.4kHz, DSD and 32bit files? > > My answer: > > I convert/resample 192kHz to 96kHz (flac) > > I convert/resample 176.4kHz to 88.2kHz (flac) > > I convert DSD files to 24bit/88.2kHz flac files > > I convert/resample 32bit to 24bit (flac) I actually don't have any of these... :) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
It is true that I recompress for portable audio, but that's a move from flac to ogg, not a resample. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
I wouldn't argue anything like that, personally, but I would argue that I can't be arsed to resample a bunch of files just to save a few MB. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
I remember when "X" was the letter you added to words to make them cool... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Golden Earring wrote: > > . > > "Every system needs an iLemon" :D > > Dave :cool: > > P.S. I quite often wear the t-shirt! Nice one Dave. Sounds like one for an episode of The Apprentice.. :) Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Personal insult escalation so quickly? I normally need at least five messages to raise your blood pressure. You got up early to type this rant. I think you are the only one confused about my position and my observations. Long and short is that I'm not trying to "win" anything, it's really only you doing that. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
This is barely luke warm, not heated. We are calm. Well, I am.. ;) I realised of course that android, osX, numerous zillions of infrastructure devices the world over are Linux based and therefore open source based. And yet, my Linux based smart TV won't play Ogg Vorbis files. Why is that? They didn't have the codec expertise in-house, so they didn't want to touch it. But they know they have to support proprietary Microsoft, Sony, and apple formats so they pick up the phone and buy the expertise in; but no-one has the breadth of imagination to simply install the libs that come with the base OS for free to support to the freebies. Apple are a bit special aren't they. Or they were. Perhaps they need to find a new industry to innovate in, their approach to the ones they are in is becoming quite stale. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > You have evidence that the FLAC developers refused to sign contracts or > support their product for a reasonable fee? > > I doubt it. No, but I have plenty of evidence that corporations won't touch open source with a bargepole. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
I doubt it. Markets where there is a defacto generic product tend towards less variety. Hipster kickstarters aside, most consumers wouldn't buy anything but the defacto "good enough", and those that do explore further would only really buy the one with the Apple logo.. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
arnyk wrote: > Given "Dr Matt" (a fraudulent nickname) Seriously, why do you have a problem with my nickname? Not only is it completely and utterly irrelevant, it's actually not even untrue.. lol I'm aware that small high end hifi companies undoubtedly suffer from enhanced pressure to turn a profit (they do not have the large company buffer and all their jobs are on the line), but I don't believe there is more than just a small element within each who might work to *deliberately* pull the wool over people's eyes. I can see where you're coming from though. Even if we ignore your particular view that everything sounds the same it is still obvious to all concerned that you really don't get a lot more engineering when you pay a lot more money. I have to say my choice of cool looking hifi would be a lot smaller if everyone felt like you, however, Mr K, and I'm not sure I want that either. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
But as you know companies will always prefer to use a format with a contract and support rather than one without, where they may find themselves with a bunch of support case and no expertise or will to fix it. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
cliveb wrote: > If they were in the financial or pharmaceutical industry they'd probably > be a in jail by now. I doubt it. 2008 was a long time ago, and nothing going on there yet... Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Mnyb wrote: > It's seems that mqa can be implemented differently ( which is strange > given what they say they ate doing ...) > So it can be intresting to see how diffrent DAC's switch filters and > varies other settings and implement the noise shaping dither etc ? Indeed. Presumably "mqa certification" just means "thou shalt implement a bunch of filters like this; and switch to them according to the instructions sent". The idea being, presumably, that mqa certified music sources choose a suitable output filter according to the analogue-> digital filtering types at the other end. Of course this is doomed to failure as there are probably tens of different ADCs used for any given commercial recording. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Interesting reading. I can vouch for the Chord DACs sounding quite obviously special but don't have a meridian experience to talk about.. Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] By-passing SB Touch DAC?
I have to say it's a crap marketing tactic to go slagging off a much loved obsolete music streamer to attempt to plug your portable music *player*. It's not even got a common function to talk about, it's just, different. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107474 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] By-passing SB Touch DAC?
OP is absent. Was this a UDP question? Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107474 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] By-passing SB Touch DAC?
Yeah, I wouldn't use the SBT as a server myself. Though it does work, if you have plenty of patience. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107474 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] By-passing SB Touch DAC?
Indeed. Though also make sure the touch has not been configured to use bitrate limiting in LMS as your music will be compressed to accommodate, and note that the digital out would only be "bit perfect" if the SBT volume control is set to 100%. But assuming you are configuring the SBT to just pass unmodified bits then the sound quality is dictated by your offload DAC. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107474 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Problems with GUI for Linux LMS after latest Windows 10 update
I would second the browser comments, and start there rather than anything drastic like rollbacks or reinstalls. Also more likely a Windows firewall or anti virus policy change could break it. (This is very common.) Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107473 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Would I be right in guessing you have a Mytek Stereo192? > > I don't know how the display works on the earlier models, but the > Brokkly has a summary display (which you can set to extinguish after a > delay if you wish) which shows the sampling frequency in reasonably > large format. > > Hidden beneath this are a series of menu pages which control all > settings & also display average AND peak programme levels for each > channel. Is it too tragic to admit that I have a compact pair of > binoculars that I use to view the detail menus from my sofa whilst using > the remote? :rolleyes: > > Dave :) Yep, that's the one. It's about the same as you describe. Yes there's a timeout possible on the display so it goes "almost blank". I don't really want the display on most of the time but sometimes it's handy to get the sample rate info. For some reason I never even bothered to put the batteries in the remote for it; mostly because I'm not using any of its preamp features, only its DAC. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Having dug through all the stuff about the dimensions of King Solomon's > Temple in the user manual, I can't find a definite answer to this. For > PCM playback there are 3 filter *-shapes-* selectable by the user, viz: > 1. Minimum Phase; 2. Slow Roll-Off; & 3. Fast Roll-Off. I haven't > fiddled with this setting & I've just checked to discover that option 3 > is selected so I'm assuming that that is the default. There is no > mention of the frequency at which the filter is applied for PCM > playback. > Mine only has fast and slow filter settings. I don't remember seeing documentation about the cut-off points for pcm either. > > But the Mytek does have a remote & the facility to control it from a GUI > on my computer via (wired, obviously) USB 2.0 link. So I don't have to > haul myself off my sofa to do it! > Yup mine does too. Have to say I just leave it alone though, I only like to even see it at all because it tells me for sure that I have a 44khz source running... Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Are you sure the Brooklyn doesn't still use a 22khz-ish filter even when upsampling? I don't remember reading about that. Do you always manually set your sample rate in the Brooklyn? I have one of its predecessors and leave it to sync to input and I can't say I've ever really noticed any difference between that and manually setting it. (Well, apart from when it wound up resampling due to me leaving it set to the wrong sample rate.) Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Q-tips and isopropyl alcohol Adjusting head alignment .. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Morning Doc! > > The inclusion of linear stereo on VHS tapes was actually a backward step > from mono in terms of sound quality because the two tracks (plus a > separation gap) had to be fitted into the fairly narrow portion of the > tape not scanned by the spinning heads used for the helical video (& > later embedded "hi-fi" stereo audio, as detailed by Arny above) stripes > previously used for the one mono track. Even at SP, the linear tape > speed on VHS was only about 2ips. This made the linear stereo audio > -*more*- sensitive to "drop-out" which was a major problem with all > analogue tape devices, & would make audio replay worse even via a mono > TV & increasingly so as the tape was repeatedly played. Don't even think > about long play in the context of linear audio sound!! Yep. Although I never had one of these linear stereo decks I do remember how bad non-hifi mono audio was on VHS. I had a crap ton of compact cassettes, however, so I'm very familiar with a lot of the things being discussed here! (drop outs, Dolby NR tracking issues, print-through, stretched and dirty tapes/heads..) Ah, those were the days... :) Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > Wrong and wrong. Chill, actually I didn't disagree with what you wrote... Alongside also means "at the same time as or in coexistence with". > > So, the audio track was not along side the video track, it was under it > as I previously suggested. > > So the sound quality was not poor, but vastly better than any other > contemporaneous format. It was certainly better than the LP or consumer > analog tape, either open reel or cassette tape. And yes I also knew roughly how Hifi Stereo worked, and yes it was good in any speed (that I also didn't disagree with). I stated that there also existed some VHS decks that didn't use this form of "Hifi" stereo but still offered stereo sound using a two channel head in place of the standard mono linear audio head. It predated AFM hifi Stereo and unsurprisingly wasn't very good... and isn't therefore "wrong". -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > VHS HiFi added a track that was buried under the video track, using a > different carrier frequency than the video. If memory serves, both the > video and the audio were recorded with FM. The audio data was recorded > via FM which with the parameters chosen hardly gave even just 60 dB SNR > and 50-15 KHz bandwidth, but it was also companded to boost the > perceived dynamic range. > > For a little while VHS HiFi had some advocates as an alternative to > Redbook CD optical, which was also emerging at about the same time. > However, Redbook CD quickly captured everybody's interest and as the > saying goes the rest is history. Personally I would never have declared it as an alternative to CD, but it was a convenient alternative to compact cassette if you needed long running times. The "hifi" track was placed alongside the video with an extra set of heads, and obviously the non-hifi linear track had to remain where it always was and contain a replica of the audio for compatibility with other decks. There were i think a few decks that offered linear stereo audio too, but not many and I don't think it was very good (particularly when long play came along).. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Yep, NICAM receiver only. Hifi stereo vhs was pretty good, agreed. Very reliant on tracking stability though. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
NICAM was an interesting technology, but it was only used on the broadcast side. A VCR recorded analogue audio. Maybe you knew that, I wasn't clear from your post so just clarifying. Cheers! Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
I actually think it says more about the /capability/ of the human auditory system than its limitations. It can pick the essence of great music from anything, more or less; be it pristine ultra-high bitrate digital, pristine but wow/fluttery/scratchy noisy compressed Vinyl, crappy Vinyl, wow and fluttery cassette tape, FM radio, even MW radio through a tinny little speaker in a plastic box being driven from two double-A batteries.. The enjoyment of the high fidelity of playback is a separate skill, only evolved by people with high disposable incomes and too much time on their hands Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > your hearing would also suffer if you did this regularly as well - a lot > of bass players get tinnitus from standing too close to their speaker > stacks (you'd think they'd stand somewhere else, but bass players do > seem to be a breed apart ;) ). > > Dave :) Hey, Indeed this is of course true, but also remember that dynamic peaks this high are rarely sustained. The overall average SPL could still be significantly lower than this. That's what DR is all about of course. .. unless you get an evil organist who likes to pull out all the stops at the same time and stands on those pedals with a 64' pipe attached for a while.. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > Might also simply be because of the easier processing of word lengths > that are a multiple of 8. Undoubtedly this. Nicam produced a companded 14 bit digital signal, iirc, but it was rarely used outside of the UK. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
An extreme case, but some pipe organs can hit 130db. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipe_organs This is close up values obviously, attenuation occurs with distance. I also see some references to wind instruments that can hit 115db. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some thoughts on the Audiophile Holy Wars :-).
Archimago wrote: > You're reading this forum from the pub!? I guess it's not exactly a > "happening place" this Friday evening :-(. Heh. Not the whole forum, just catching up a couple of subscribed threads.. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107343 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some thoughts on the Audiophile Holy Wars :-).
It seems to me that MP3 can deliberately "clean up" a complex signal and make it sound more defined, just because it throws away some of the subtlety. But then, I am sitting in a pub.. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107343 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
What signal generator can create a square wave? That's right, a theoretical one with infinite bandwidth! Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Doc! > > I believe that Mozart transcribed an entire mass setting from memory > after exiting the church where the music was performed (& jealously > guarded) when he was about 12. But he was somewhat remarkable... > > My original question related to the rehearsal sessions held by > conductors with their orchestras prior to an important concert (or > recording, or both in the case of a live recording). Obviously each > individual conductor will have his own "take" on a piece of classical > music, which itself may evolve over time. > > It had nothing direct to do with recorded music per se, but rather I was > trying to put comments about the brain's inability to recall specific > sounds for more than a few seconds into the performance context. Are you > suggesting that the members of the orchestra use the rehearsals to > annotate their copies of the score, or that their skill with their > instruments is down to some memory other than auditory recall, such as > muscle memory, etc.? > > I think we're at bit at cross-purposes - sorry if I'm missing something > obvious here, as I said I'm not a musician myself. I find playing Guitar > Hero with the kids taxing enough (but fun - our family band is called > "Muesli Is Murder"). > > Dave :) Hi, Yes exactly it has nothing to do with recorded sound per se, and that is because there is a distinction between remembering the *sound*, and remembering the *music*. It's a different part of the brain and a different learned skill. So a conductor's brain remembers the ebb and flow of the music (consider it the "delivered meaning" of the piece), which though it could be exceptionally complex, is actually only a mental representation of the sound they heard and the actions of the players. This it's possible to know, and remember, from one day to the next, just like any person who can read can remember the meaning and story from a 100,000 word novel without having to remember all the words. Musicians (I know some but wouldn't claim to be one) have muscle memory (actually subconscious mental programming) that does the hard stuff of translating the feel of the music and that remembered melody and energy into the movement of fingers/lungs/lips/limbs whatever to play the instrument. The musician rarely has to think consciously about where to place fingers/limbs etc in response to the tune. This is that final step from conscious competence to unconscious competence. The point I think to take from this is that the musician / conductor only really consciously remembers a very simplified meta view of the piece, and the subconscious fills in the rest... So you are entirely correct they are not reliant on auditory memory for anything other than very short term reanalysis. Matt. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Doc! > > Not being a musician or an artist myself, I'm not really in a position > to fully understand this. > > Can't really grasp how you can remember something you've forgotten. > Don't musicians listen to themselves playing? If so, what exactly are > they comparing that apparently fleeting audible sound to? > > Dave :confused: A better analogy is to ask you what you remember of the font that was used in the last book you read. Nothing? Same thing. The medium Vs the content. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
Golden Earring wrote: > If we all forget what we've heard, why do conductors hold rehearsal > sessions with their orchestras of professional musicians who are quite > competent enough to play through a complex piece of orchestral music on > their own without a conductor? > > What benefit can the conductor achieve from the rehearsal if the players > are incapable of remembering the often subtle requirements he requires > in terms of orchestral balance? Or are we going to allow such > professionals "golden ears" on account of their musical talent & > training? This is a different skill to the one being invoked in an audio quality comparison. Like asking an artist to copy the brush strokes or blobs of paint used to make a picture instead of copying the picture. You perceive through the audio to the instruments and the stressing and balance that carries, but you store the product of that perception, not the medium it was received via. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > Reading that makes me happy - have seen too many "why keep ranting about > all that double blind stuff, nobody will change their mind anyway" > comments lately... Sorry to say I am a scientist, so I do listen and adapt to new information, even if it's being shouted at me in a patronising way. All this, I can prove... I do think the ranting should stop. And I still think some DACs sound different. Not all. But I am very very sure that all vinyl playback systems sound totally and utterly different in huge ways I'm very happy with digital playback and wouldn't go back to the stone age. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > > I don't know how separate the two (basically medium versus message) are, > but I know that you can study one quite extensively and hold the other > constant, and it is all good. They both involve learning. > (I didn't criticise the science.) > > The fact of the matter is that in most of the treasured audiophile cases > of burn in, detailed technical investigation finds no relevant audible > changes. This is particularly true of gear that has to be very stable to > work well, such as DACs. So then you have to either decide that > technology is lacking, or that the audiophiles don't understand that > they have brains that are very complex and do crazy things like learn > and remember. It is possible that while many of us of the scientific > persuasion have brains that learn and remember, the audiophiles are > lacking in this area. > I have no prior knowledge of the research that has been done in the area (my PhD is in applied mathematics), so that's why I'm here. Unfortunately it's not always a rewarding pursuit.. I am, incidentally, reading interesting stuff around here, but it's bloody hard work cutting through the sarcasm to the point being made sometimes. I do, still, refuse to take sweeping statements as fact, and you shouldn't have it any other way. I think that I am guilty of responding too quickly, on a smartphone screen, without spending time on fully researching the context, though. I guess this can come across as being dismissive. If it means anything to anyone here, despite the rage and the bitching directed at me (and that I've responded with) I have changed my approach to some audio aspects. I would not have ever described myself as a hard-core audiophile (despite what some people here probably think), that just doesn't make any sense to me, but I have stopped thinking about the system so much and spent more time just listening into the music. Given that I don't listen to a pure diet of high-quality audiophile-mastered obscure jazz or classical music I inevitably find huge variation in the SQ of individual recordings. Hanging out here means I now put that down to the source master, not my system, and that's a relief .. :) -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > > I'm posting this for the benefit of lurkers. I know you well enough, > notadrbutaposerMatt. You were doing so well too, NotADrAtAllArny. The differences you would expect to find due to bass management go way beyond what people seem to talk about wrt burn in or warm up. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > I never said it did. You're the one who brought up the issue of > acclimatization to dialect. Now you are abusing me and the discussion > again, by first introducing the irrelevant issue of acclimatization to > dialect. > Being serious for a moment .. I did bring up the dialect angle, yes, mainly because I read the papers you'd linked and thought they were not quite as complete an answer as you seem to think. I was also pointing out that speech intelligibility improves through exposure to *any* speech pattern over time, as a totally separate effect from an adaptation to the tonal balance or audio quality. I would agree that speech intelligibility could be a similar effect to the perception of detail in an audio system and see how this research is relevant to -that- aspect alone, but I don't think that's what most people report as being the main effects of "burn in", real or not. My reading of threads about burn-in, or even warm-up, on hifi equipment more often than not talk about "more bass" or "less bass", which if that were the only difference has really no impact on speech recognition capability. So, care to have a stab at a sensible reply? -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi doc! > > Not a medic myself, but I believe that some of the latest (=expensive, > need it buy it yourself... ) hearing aids have a pretty wide frequency > range if needed purely for amplification purposes. However there are > lots of different kinds of hearing impairment, so I would imagine the > precise nature of the actual hearing impairment would be critical in > determining the sufferer's ability to listen to music enjoyably. > > As an extreme example, I would offer severe tinnitus which apparently > can be so bad that another person located next to the sufferer can hear > the ringing for themselves! It's hard to see how one could listen > -through- that level of interference, although vinyl fans will > appreciate that with practice it is possible to some extent to listen > through the low amplitude constant surface noise which has a regular > frequency profile, and that the inevitable pops & crackles are partly > "tuned out" by the mechanism that Arny has already explained by which > our hearing is designed to reduce the impact of high amplitude but short > duration sounds so that we can detect the quiet sounds that might > indicate the presence of a real threat to our continued existence. One > can only hope that Natural Selection continues to regard this trait as > valuable for the benefit of future generations - otherwise they may not > be able to appreciate solo piano music as we do if I have understood > Arny's point correctly. > > So I should imagine that some hearing impairment sufferers can continue > to enjoy their music, whereas others would have to seek solace > elsewhere. > > As regards Glaswegians, I may have been unlucky insofar as the ones that > I have actually encountered didn't seem to have much interesting > conversation about them once I'd deciphered the dialect, and moreover > seemed to exhibit a somewhat bellicose approach to life, especially when > mullered which seemed also to be a regular condition. I am not casting > aspersions at ALL Glaswegians since I haven't met them all & I wouldn't > want to generalise. However given the limited amount of time now at my > disposal, I am not actively seeking to meet any more of them. This is > obviously not politically correct of me, but then some people don't like > Brummies such as myself either... > > Dave :) I'm not that type of doctor either.. :) I have no doubt that the hearing impaired enjoy music, which is after all almost entirely disconnected from this expensive hobby we all seem to have in common of buying overpriced electronics purely to achieve better technical reproduction of sound.. And even tinitus sufferers can get the SPL high enough with a sound system that they will forget the tinitus for a short while. There is lots of really good research going on into fixing these physiological problems that some people are cursed with, and I think the focus has rightly moved from working out what went wrong to working out pragmatic and practical methods to make things better. (Such as the frequency shift tricks mentioned above, and bone transmission methods, and so on.) My own experience of Glaswegians is more positive; but with the best will in the world even those that I know extremely well can't be easily understood unless I've spent a lot of time acclimatising in the very recent past.. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > Why did you bring up acclimatization to dialect when the discussion was > about acclimatization to quality of audio reproduction? Because I see the brains ability to discern speech as a separate cognitive function from acclimatisation to audio reproduction, so wanted you to explain why you brought up articles about the former to lend support to a discussion on the latter. > > I think it was your usual malevolence towards science. another pointless barb. > > I take it that the instructional piece about experimental design was way > over your head. It's application to your situation is that one would > try to make dialect acclimatization factors irrelevant in any experiment > that tried to study acclimatization to different kinds or degrees of > flawed reproduction.[\quote] > > This was so bleeding obvious without having to read anything else that I > see no point in mentioning it further and as a result it becomes just > yet another patronising attempt to belittle. > > > > > > > IOW, if there are dialect problems, you repeat the experiment series > > several times so that dialect acclimatization averages out, or better > > still you use talkers and listeners that are pre-acclimatized, that is > > are familiar with or native users of any of the dialects that are > > involved. > > > > > > Duh, obviously. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
You should really give up teaching... Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
How does speech recognition ability in hearing damaged patients when using amplification translate to audio "quality" discernment in hifi terms? For the former I could draw the same conclusions about speech recognition ability when talking with a Glaswegian. How is this mechanism related to the concept of noting changes to tone of hifi equipment? Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Did you take the blue pill again? Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Does any conversation on the internet, ever, result in people changing their minds? I don't think so. Sent from my XT1562 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HIGHRESAUDIO to stop offering MQA
Cor, using intellect without spite? Bring it on! -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD WAV vs. HDTracks WAV Blind Test
They didn't think it through at all. Where was the copy protection?! ;) -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107050 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quick question about DAC "filters"
ralphpnj wrote: > Or maybe it's just that you happen to be human rather than SUPER-human > or an electronic measuring device and so are physically unable to hear > ultrasonic frequencies and pico second jitter. Nah, can't be that.. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106979 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quick question about DAC "filters"
I have a mytek DAC with such options. Upsampling on/off, filter sharp/slow. Can't say, thus far, that I've noted any difference between them. Perhaps I've not fed it any material that tickles the ultrasonic, or jitter is not too bad in my system, or my tweeters behave well in the presence of ultrasonics, or.. I'm just too old to hear anything that high up.. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106979 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > None of those interface with Squeezebox or with any compatible > alternative. No, and never will unless you know someone willing to write a connector for no money whatsoever.. :) Just saying that functionality exists outside the LMS universe already, that's already happened. If that's what you want, you can have it. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Shazam dont. Amazon tell you what it is, at least, and you can store your own music in their cloud and search the lot of it. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > It would be great to have an easier way to find things. Sometimes I can > remember a theme from a classical piece but can't put my mind to the > work or composer. How about just hum or whistle what I remember into a > controller app and it pops up the piece I'm seeking? Or be able to say > "Beethoven Symphony 5" or "Beethoven Symphony 5 Toscanini" to the app > and it lists all versions in my library and subscribed music services. You mean Shazam? -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > Maybe this is another one of those audiophile things where No Serious > Listener Would Ever Want More Than Two Speakers. :) I, for one, only have two ears. :) So headphones with acoustic 3D encoding per user is what you need. Multi-speaker setups help present a realistic sound stage when there's more than one person doing the listening however. Reminds me, must go listen to those music DVDs I never listened to before... -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
I didn't disagree. Just pointing out that squeezebox wasn't cheap enough to be a no brainer for anyone when it came out, and like many things to not really take off in their lifetime it's only really thriving now because the hardware got cheaper, used. A second life, if you like. I have to say though I don't think any one hardware component is the future of music for the masses. (Other than the smartphone.) There will be no ubiquitous Squeezebox Touch 2. More likely an app that ties a bunch of existing tech together. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component you have to build your own. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought about it, for the stupendous money they charge you would expect them to have done so. I'm thinking the Cyrus/arcam/Naim products. These are not generic dlna products. But the entry cost is ridiculously high for these systems... -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
They made room for sonos.. that's all that exists really. Sad, but true. It's more slick, less featured, and more expensive. Roon i dont know much about, and intend to look at. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
>From a business bottom line point of view it would only have been a mistake if they lost sales as a result, but Logitech voluntarily dropped the whole platform, hardware and software. I am extortionately glad they didn't pull the LMS software from the world as may have been their right (didn't check the license agreement), but they didn't lose sales from leaving it out there. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
