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Looking good Wayne, looking good, and a big difference (and improvement)
from when I was round doing the Cat5e cabling.
One very minor niggle - your sockets need loosening off and
straightening up :D

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?


Stratmangler;636853 Wrote: 
 Looking good Wayne, looking good, and a big difference (and improvement)
 from when I was round doing the Cat5e cabling.
 One very minor niggle - your sockets need loosening off and
 straightening up :D
 
 Chris :)

niggle and loosening off

Only the British. I love the expressions you English gentlemen come up
with. Very colorful(sic) indeed.


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ralphpnj;636854 Wrote: 
 niggle and loosening off
 
 Only the British. I love the expressions you English gentlemen come up
 with. Very colorful(sic) indeed.

I suppose I could have said something along the lines of take your
spirit level back for a refund because it's got a faulty bubble, and
all of your socket fronts are pissed as a result :D

And remember, pissed has a different connotation this side of the pond
;)

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Stratmangler;636855 Wrote: 
 I suppose I could have said something along the lines of take your
 spirit level back for a refund because it's got a faulty bubble, and
 all of your socket fronts are pissed as a result :D
 
 And remember, pissed has a different connotation this side of the pond
 ;)
 
 Chris :)

Yanks: pissed means mad or angry at something or someone

Brits: pissed means inebriated and ???

Please educate me on the Queen's slang.


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ralphpnj;636857 Wrote: 
 Yanks: pissed means mad or angry at something or someone
 
 Brits: pissed means inebriated and ???
 
 Please educate me on the Queen's slang.

Well the inebriated bit is correct, because all of the faceplates are
wonky, as in not straight, straight as in sober :D
It can be fun this two nations divided by a common tongue malarkey.

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Stratmangler;636859 Wrote: 
 Well the inebriated bit is correct, because all of the faceplates are
 wonky, as in not straight, straight as in sober :D
 It can be fun this two nations divided by a common tongue malarkey !!!
 
 Chris :)

I quite agree and I also find it fascinating. Idioms and idiomatic
expressions are the spices of any language. The Queen's English and all
its various permutations are all called English whereas many other
languages with similar dialects  are each known by different name. For
example many of the Slavic tongues. I think that are bigger differences
between Cockney accent and a Southern American accent than between some
languages.


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ralphpnj;636863 Wrote: 
 I quite agree and I also find it fascinating. Idioms and idiomatic
 expressions are the spices of any language. The Queen's English and all
 its various permutations are all called English whereas many other
 languages with similar dialects  are each known by different name. For
 example many of the Slavic tongues. I think that are bigger differences
 between Cockney accent and a Southern American accent than between some
 languages.

Ah, now you're mentioning some old devisive terms - The Queen's English
- it's quite an odd way of speaking English, and I don't personally know
anyone who speaks it.

The English The Queen speaks has little to do with common parlance,
like wot I talks :D

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Stratmangler;636864 Wrote: 
 Ah, now you're mentioning some old devisive terms - The Queen's English
 - it's quite an odd way of speaking English, and I don't personally
 know anyone who speaks it.
 
 The English The Queen speaks has little to do with common parlance,
 like wot I talks :D
 
 Chris :)

Once again you're quite right. I should have said British English
rather than the Queen's English. Now me I grew up speaking Brooklynese,
as in dirty tree or thirty three, as you Englishish would say. But I
types good English.


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ralphpnj;636866 Wrote: 
 Once again you're quite right. I should have said British English rather
 than the Queen's English. Now me I grew up speaking Brooklynese, as in
 dirty tree or thirty three, as you Englishish would say. But I types
 good English.

Now more specifically you should have said flat BBC English, as became
the norm here before the widespread acceptance of local dialect by
Auntie (Beeb, as in BBC).

My parents were both born and raised in Manchester, Lancashire.
I was born in the Middle East (Aden, to be specific), and raised all
over the place, as my father was in the Royal Air Force.

And the way I speak is very close to flat BBC English - it's an easily
understood, neutral accent, which is also quite accepting and
accomodating of slight local dialect and inflection.

My roots are North West England, specifically Manchester (I am a
lifelong supporter of Manchester City Football Club, as were/are most
of my family), and although I no longer live in Manchester I reside
just 20 miles away to the North on the East Pennine Moors, where men
are men, and sheep are nervous. so I'm still in close contact ;)

Confused ?
I am permanently, and I gave up on it all years ago, and just take
things for what they are :D

Chris :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-16 Thread tank121


I'm so excited so me Dynaudio's £256.00 say goodbye to and old friend
but hello to my new ones.

More pics added.

http://photobucket.com/Tank121garageConversion


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2011-06-13 Thread tank121


http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/carwacster/Garage%20Conversion/IMG_0488.jpg

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/carwacster/Garage%20Conversion/IMG_0487.jpg


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-13 Thread ralphpnj


tank121;636259 Wrote: 
 http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/carwacster/Garage%20Conversion/IMG_0488.jpg
 
 http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/carwacster/Garage%20Conversion/IMG_0487.jpg

After looking at your photo album I realized that my computer room/den
just underwent a similar, albeit somewhat less drastic, conversion. My
daughter has photos documenting the entire process but for a sense of
what was changed check out the pictures in these posts:

After pictures:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=634713postcount=72

Before pictures:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=536304postcount=3


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-12 Thread tank121


http://photobucket.com/Tank121garageConversion

This is the avstand I'm going for getting on a special for £349.00

Any suggest any cheaper  better alternatives but have glass doors that
are ir friendly.


http://www.gecko-furniture.co.uk/ProductRanges/Sapphire/sapphire.html


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-12 Thread JezA


Leave some money in case you need some discreet room treatment - from
the pictures it seems very hard, with parallel surfaces, and almost the
same height as width - not very good omens imo.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-07 Thread tank121


http://photobucket.com/Tank121garageConversion

Jewels to be added to lights. Decorator in on Thursday. AV unit to be
ordered.

Stands will be Custom Design with custom top plate filled with cable
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-04 Thread darrenyeats


Phil Leigh;634706 Wrote: 
 Indeed. Tank will need to experiment with speaker positioning...
I agree - what sounds best in that room needs to be discovered by
experiment and measurement. I agree those speakers might sound better
further from the walls in a much larger room...but this would be
academic knowledge for tank121.
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2011-06-04 Thread JezA


All the o/ps decisions seem to have been made without listening or any
acoustics calculations, not the best way to get a good result.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-03 Thread tank121


Well finally decided on stands!

Custom Design stands ordered rs202 I think and with a custom made plate
and one column will be filled. £110.00

Dealer has agreed full refund on the brackets.

The one remaining question is this, I'm going to experiment with the
positining of the speakers. They will be quite close to the stud wall
(back wall) to improve the bass. 

Once I've decided on the position do I feed the speaker cable in the
stud wall and drill back through the plaster ? The remaining speaker
cable will be concealed in the stand.

The other end of the cable would come through the Labgear single width
cable entry exit plate and the airlocks plugged into the amp.

Alternatively have the cable under the carpet ? This means I'll
probably be able to cut the Chord Rumour cable in half as I ordered 2 x
4m lenghts.
Should be able to sell it on!

Anyone interested in buying my Dynaudio audience 70 floorstanders ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-03 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;634693 Wrote: 
 Well finally decided on stands!
 
 Custom Design stands ordered rs202 I think and with a custom made plate
 and one column will be filled. £110.00
 
 Dealer has agreed full refund on the brackets.
 
 The one remaining question is this, I'm going to experiment with the
 positining of the speakers. They will be quite close to the stud wall
 (back wall) to improve the bass. 
 
 Once I've decided on the position do I feed the speaker cable in the
 stud wall and drill back through the plaster ? The remaining speaker
 cable will be concealed in the stand.
 
 The other end of the cable would come through the Labgear single width
 cable entry exit plate and the airlocks plugged into the amp.
 
 Alternatively have the cable under the carpet ? This means I'll
 probably be able to cut the Chord Rumour cable in half as I ordered 2 x
 4m lenghts.
 Should be able to sell it on!
 
 Anyone interested in buying my Dynaudio audience 70 floorstanders ?

Since you are no longer using wall brackets, there is NO point in
running the cable through the wall. Just run it over/under the
carpet


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2011-06-03 Thread JezA


Putting speakers close to walls does NOT improve the bass!  Usually the
opposite. Stand close to a wall and talk to see what I mean.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-06-03 Thread Phil Leigh


JezA;634702 Wrote: 
 Putting speakers close to walls does NOT improve the bass!  Usually the
 opposite. It might hype up some frequencies, but at the expense of
 others. Stand close to a wall and talk to see what I mean.

Indeed. Tank will need to experiment with speaker positioning...


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2011-06-01 Thread tank121


More Photos

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2011-06-01 Thread tank121


Think were going for two of these -

http://www.ambientlounge.co.uk/bean-bags/gold-class-bean-bags/butterfly-sofa-bean-bags.html


Anyone own them ?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-31 Thread JezA


What evidence have you got that the speakers will be any good in your
room? None. So why commit yourself so soon? Why not wait till the room
is finished - at least that gives you the chance to return or swap the
speakers if you don't like them. And to try others.  Your room isn't
particularly hifi friendly, and you're spending a lot of money, so why
not give yourself a better chance of success than picking speakers
you've never heard in your room?


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2011-05-30 Thread JezA


Flexibility good. Early binding decisions (wall-mounts) bad.


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Well the room got it's first sound test today and it's not even
finished.

My friend brought his Jaguar electric guitar and amp round.

It's sound Sweet, had to request him to pack up! He's want to record
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These are the thoughts of What Hi-Fi (I know you can't take what they
say as read!)

They are relatively unfussy about positioning, sounding weightiest
close to a rear wall.

But we're happy to trade some of that substance for the improved stereo
imaging and cleaner midrange gained by moving them 20cm or so into the
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2011-05-30 Thread JezA


Who cares what What Hi Fi think or say? The only thing that matters is
how they sound in your room - maybe they'll sound good, maybe they
won't, maybe other speakers will sound better, maybe they won't. If I
were you I'd find a good dealer who could lend me a few different
speakers so I could try them out properly and reach a conclusion based
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The speakers are chosen for sure.


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Would it make a difference If the table was sold wood or solid wood with
a glass top ?

There would be a cover over it, padded heat protection cover.

The glass top one is smaller. 


http://www.qualityfurniture4u.com/Black-Gloss-Lacquered-Glass-Top-Table.html

or

http://www.thefurnituremarket.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=SAN17-Bcat=234


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-30 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;633989 Wrote: 
 Would it make a difference If the table was sold wood or solid wood with
 a glass top ?
 
 There would be a cover over it, padded heat protection cover.
 
 The glass top one is smaller. 
 
 
 http://www.qualityfurniture4u.com/Black-Gloss-Lacquered-Glass-Top-Table.html
 
 or
 
 http://www.thefurnituremarket.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=SAN17-Bcat=234


If the cover is on it, it won't make any difference what the top is.

Smaller is better.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-30 Thread JezA


Well if you're committed to the speakers without having heard them in
your own home, at least wait till the room's furnished and play around
with them before you commit to stands or even more wall mounts. Try the
different listening positions you have speculated here about. Get some
cheap height adjustable stands. Take care not to damage the speakers -
they may sound dreadful and you may wish to sell them. You're running
blind.


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This is going to be my plan of action 

1) Speaker cable is here - Chord rumour 2 x 4 metre runs (might be able
to sell 
some depending on placement.)
2) Order speakers tomorrow
3) See if anyone on here can lend me some stands who lives locally (but
will need a particular type to accommodate the menuets.
4) Order the thick carpet and thick underlay.
5) Decorator is in 1 week today.
6) AV stand will be delivered

http://www.gecko-furniture.co.uk/ProductRanges/Sapphire/sapphire.html

7) Get thick lined curtains fitted.
8) Install kit
9) Test with stands and the table. (sitting at far end of room)
10) Play around with stands
11) Get two volunteers to hold speakers at level of the brackets (5ft)

12) Decide !


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread tank121


I am now considering stand mounting my Dali Mentor Menuets instead.

My concern is this those.

They will be spaced wide enough to that they will not be pointing
directly the dining room table. They will be firing down the sides. 

As they won't be higher than the table will all the sound be absorbed
by the table ?

Alternatively the table goes nearer to the window and we sit in front
of the speakers about 5-6ft away. Gap between speakers 6ft.

Any good retrogradations for stands up to £100.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread tank121


Was considering these -

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/7669


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread JezA


I'd go for speakers 6' apart and sit 6' away on axis with nothing
between me and the speakers.  But then that's just me.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh


JezA;633749 Wrote: 
 I'd go for speakers 6' apart and sit 6' away on axis with nothing
 between me and the speakers. I'd also look for stands that put the
 tweeters at least ear height.  But then that's just me.

No, it's not just you, I would too!  - but there's a dining table in
the way...


It's NOT going to sound great with a table between you and the
speakers, no matter where you put them. I'd stick with wall mounting
and get them up high so that you will be mostly listening to the
tweeters not the tweeters reflected/interfered with by the table.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread JezA


There's not necessarily a dining table in the way Phil; didn't his
previous post say:

Alternatively the table goes nearer to the window and we sit in front
of the speakers about 5-6ft away. Gap between speakers 6ft.

Or have I misunderstood?

The man has to decide whether dining table gets best sound or he does.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread Phil Leigh


JezA;633787 Wrote: 
 There's not necessarily a dining table in the way Phil; didn't his
 previous post say:
 
 Alternatively the table goes nearer to the window and we sit in front
 of the speakers about 5-6ft away. Gap between speakers 6ft.
 
 Or have I misunderstood?
 
 The man has to decide whether dining table gets best sound or he does.
 
 Is it a dining room with background speakers, or is it a listening room
 with an (occasionally used) dining table somewhere where it won't get in
 the way of the music?
 
 Putting the speakers on low stands to fire under the dining table won't
 achieve much imo.

I'm not sure - but the 6ft triangle will work and then stands with the
tweeter at (sitting) ear height will be best...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-29 Thread tank121


Your'e both kind of right.

If they're wall mounted it's going to be at a height of 5ft which
should hopefully clear the table with is 800mm heigh (2 ft 7.5
inches).

We would be about 15ft away with about 6ft between the speakers. Would
this work ?

If there wall mounted though there's no flexibility, on stands they can
easily be moved around.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-28 Thread tank121


OK i'm going with the 1ft in from the side walls.

The room is getting plastered on Tuesday so I take it I'll need to wait
a couple of days before drilling the holes for the mounting brackets.

Is it best to drill the holes before the wallpaper is on ?

The speaker cable is not in yet because the plasterboard has
intentionally be left off the stud wall in the storage area side of the
wall.

So
1) drill the holes
2)Fit the brackets, fit the bracket on the rear on the speaker and hang
it.
3) This will give the exact height for the wholes to be drilled for the
speaker wire to come through the stud wall ?

I'm only ordering the speakers on just should take about a week from
Denmark.

Managed to get them for £799.00 with the mountain brackets which cost
£50.00


Picked the carpet today.
This is going to be the AV cabinet. Your thoughts please.

http://www.gecko-furniture.co.uk/ProductRanges/Sapphire/sapphire.html


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-27 Thread tank121


It's now 15ft 2  x 7ft 9 width.

We will probably be sitting at the far end opposite where the speakers
will be 

mounted on the stud wall in front of the window.

In between us and the speakers will be the dining table (if my wife
gets her own way). With the appropriate cover on.

The back boxes have been fitted today with the green glue and 2nd level
of plasterboard.

Plastering on Tuesday.

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2011-05-27 Thread tank121


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-27 Thread Phil Leigh


at least 12 inches from the side walls...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-25 Thread tank121


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-25 Thread tank121


Speaker brackets are being mounted at 5ft so speakers will fall below
this.

How far from the side walls ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-25 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;633249 Wrote: 
 Speaker brackets are being mounted at 5ft so speakers will fall below
 this.
 
 How far from the side walls ?
what is the width of the room and how far away are you sitting?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-24 Thread tank121


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-20 Thread Stratmangler


tank121;632260 Wrote: 
 Thanks to Stratmangler on this forums. He's been round tonights and done
 an excellent top. All connected and test and ready to go into the
 plasterboard once fitted.
 
 Dali speaker brackets arrive today hooray.

You're more than welcome.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-20 Thread tank121


If you look at the online photo album i'm going to have another
horizontal point of wood mounted in the stud wall at each end. This
make the postioning to the speakers more flexible. How far in from the
side wall do you think ? 

Both walls getting insualtion you can see on one side currently, then
two layers of plasterboard with green glue in between.

Think we've decided on the dining room table too. 

http://www.thefurnituremarket.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=SAN17%2DBcat=234

Height of table 2.6 ft (800mm) what height should i mount the speakers
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-19 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;632064 Wrote: 
 http://photobucket.com/Tank121garageConversion
 
 How far in from the side walls do you think I should position my Dali
 Mentor Menuets ? They will be mounted on the stud wall you can see
 being constructed using Dali's own brackets.
do the brackets attach to the vertical or horizontal studwork?


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Phil brackets have not arrived yet but this is the kit

http://dali-speakers.com/display_content.php/UK/speakers.html/211/1339


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I've chosen chord rumour cable which will be connected directly into the
Dali Mentor Menuets on the wall.

At the other end though, should I have something like this 

http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/2230/qed-aveq-wm11-gold-4mm-banana-speaker-socket-wall-plate-(twin)/display.html

The length of cable from the plates to the amp would be inches.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?


Chord rumour speaker cable ordered 2x 4mtr runs with QED airlocks at one
end.

The cable will plug directly into the speakers  wall mounted Dali
Mentor Menuets.

The cable will be embedded into the stud wall and then the airlock end
will plug into the Amp.


What is the best way to create an exit in the stud wall for the speaker
cable ? Is there a particular wall box ? I don't need a speaker wall
plate as there will be hardly any distance between the wall and
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Thanks to Stratmangler on this forums. He's been round tonights and done
an excellent top. All connected and test and ready to go into the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-18 Thread tank121


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How far in from the side walls do you think I should position my Dali
Mentor Menuets ? They will be mounted on the stud wall you can see
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-17 Thread tank121


More photos added

http://s914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/carwacster/Garage%20Conversion/

Wallpaper for stud wall -

http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detailfh_secondid=10928110fh_view_size=10fh_eds=%3ffh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB%2fcategories%3C{9372013}%2fcategories%3C{9372032}%2fcategories%3C{9372139}%2fspecificationsProductType%3ddesigner_wallpaper%2f_colour_derive%3E{black}fh_refview=listerisSearch=false

God my wife has expensive but we agreed on that one instantly -
Result.

Other walls and ceiling will be lined and painted white.

Any other suggestions ?


This could become our dining table 

http://www.thefurnituremarket.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=SAN17-Bcat=234

Good acoustics ??

With these chairs


http://www.thefurnituremarket.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=SAN30-B


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Would the ribbon tweeters on the the Dali Ikon 5 floorstanders be better
?

Are they too big for the room ?

http://www.dali.dk/display_content.php/UK/speakers.html/315/2502

IKON 2MK2 SpecificationsFrequency range (+/- 3dB) [Hz]: 41 - 30.000 
Sensitivity (2,83 V/1 m) [dB]: 86,5 
Nominal impedance [ohms]: 6 
Maximum SPL [dB]: 107 
Recommended amplifier power [W]: 30 - 150 
Crossover frequencies: 2.500/14.000 
Hybrid tweeter module, Super high frequency driver: 1 x 17 x 45 mm
Ribbon 
Hybrid tweeter module, High frequency driver: 1 x 28 mm Soft textile
dome 
Low frequency driver: 1 x 6,5 Wood fibre cone 
Enclosure type: Bass reflex 
Bass reflex tuning frequency [Hz]: 40,5 
Connection input(s): Bi-wire  
Recommended placement: Stand
Shelf  
Loudspeaker type: Front
Rear
Surround  
Max loudspeaker dimensions incl. base and grille (HxWxD) [mm]: 441 X
188 X 317 
Loudspeaker weight [kg]: 8,4 
Accessories included: Manual
Rubber bumpers
Rubber pads  


Menuets 


MENTOR MENUET SpecificationsFrequency range (+/- 3dB) [Hz]: 59 - 25.000

Sensitivity (2,83 V/1 m) [dB]: 86,0 
Nominal impedance [ohms]: 4 
Maximum SPL [dB]: 105 
Recommended amplifier power [W]: 20 - 100 
Crossover frequencies: 3.000 
High frequency driver: 1 x 28 mm Soft textile dome 
Low frequency driver: 1 x 4 1/2  
Enclosure type: Bass reflex 
Bass reflex tuning frequency [Hz]: 63,0 
Connection output(s): Single wire  
Recommended placement: Stand
Shelf
On-Wall  
Connection output(s): Single wire  
Loudspeaker type: Front
Rear
Surround  
Magnetic shielding: No 
Max loudspeaker dimensions incl. base and grille (HxWxD) [mm]: 250 X
150 X 230 
Loudspeaker weight [kg]: 4,1 
Accessories included: Manual
Rubber bumpers  
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Phil

Do you think I would benefit from putting green glue between the boards
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-16 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;631579 Wrote: 
 Phil
 
 Do you think I would benefit from putting green glue between the boards
 on the wall where the window is and the stud wall ?

It will stop more noise coming in from outside...


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To throw a spanner in the works building regs may not allow us to have
down lighters due to possible moisture in the flat roof system.

Thinking of up lighters now, any other suggestions ?


Quite like the idea of 4 of these. They would match the wallpaper on
the stud wall which will be silverblack.


http://www.impactlighting.com/home/index.php?m=shopcatid=12id=1649pageno=5


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?


Wife wants the dining room table right smack bang in the middle of the
room.

If the speakers are on the stud wall about 5ft up would this work ?

Our seating position for listening would be at the far end next to the
window.

Would the sound clear over the top of the table ? Somehow I doubt it!


My plan have the table at the end nearest to the window, then 2 seats
can be positioned 7ft away from the speakers which will be the distance
between them. In this case the speakers will be mout about 4ft from the
floor.

Your opinions please.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-15 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;631401 Wrote: 
 Wife wants the dining room table right smack bang in the middle of the
 room.
 
 If the speakers are on the stud wall about 5ft up would this work ?
 
 Our seating position for listening would be at the far end next to the
 window.
 
 Would the sound clear over the top of the table ? Somehow I doubt it!
 
 
 My plan have the table at the end nearest to the window, then 2 seats
 can be positioned 7ft away from the speakers which will be the distance
 between them. In this case the speakers will be mout about 4ft from the
 floor.
 
 Your opinions please.
For serious listening, you would need to put a covering over the table
(even a thick tablecloth would do... maybe with a thermal protector
blanket underneath)
Otherwise you are going to get a nice acoustic reflection from the
tabletop.

However, I suspect your wife's intention is to have the bare tabletop
exposed when not eating...


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Would the sound travel right over the top of the table ?

e.g. table 4ft speakers mounted at 4.5ft ?

In my wifes scenario and my own the speakers will be 7ft apart.

In my wifes we will be sat 14 ft away from speakers, in mine 7ft.

Or is my suggestion better for acoustics ?


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I don't think wife would mind a nice decorative cover same on dusting !

Suggestions of suitable materials please.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-15 Thread Phil Leigh


tank121;631462 Wrote: 
 Would the sound travel right over the top of the table ?
 
 
not all of it

This goes back to what I was saying earlier - imagine the tweeters are
torches - you want the beams of light pointing at your ears. How wide
the beam is - and so how much will stray onto the table - is down to
the design of the speakers.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-12 Thread JezA


Why not use acoustic plasterboard as well?


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tank121;630691 Wrote: 
 For the garage the boarding is going be 2 x 12mm plasterboard with green
 glue sandwiched into between it.
 
 I was going to just do the wall that joins onto the kitchen and the
 external long wall.
 
 Not bothering to use the green glue between the boards in the storage
 area are on the 8ft wall where the window will be . Your thoughts
 please. Should the window wall be done too ?

What's behind the plasterboard? - really the cavity should be filled
with acoustic rockwool slabs or similar


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2011-05-12 Thread JezA


.. and triangulate the bracing so there are no regular rectangular
panels.


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In layman terms and within my budget are you saying using acoustic
boards will be better than 2x12mm boards with green glue in between ?


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Behind the plasterboards will be some kingspan insulation I believe
having got plans and paperwork with me at work. 

The insulation is sufficent to meet building regs/control.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-05-12 Thread JezA


What are you trying to do?

Stop sound escaping or make your room sound good inside?


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1st priority meeting building regs

2nd stop sound escaping (within budget) original plans submitted showed
2x12mm board  green glue just on wall that connects to our kitchen.

Thinking of adding to the other walls but not in the storage area.

3rd Improve rooom acoustics within budget. I know sound boards, good
curtains, we're having carpet can be added.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

tank121;630784 Wrote:
1st priority meeting building regs

2nd stop sound escaping (within budget) original plans submitted showed
2x12mm board green glue just on wall that connects to our kitchen.

Thinking of adding to the other walls but not in the storage area.

3rd Improve rooom acoustics within budget. I know sound boards, good
curtains, we're having carpet can be added.

Filling the cavity behind the plasterboard with fire-retardant rockwool
slab RWA45 like this:
http://www.greenglueshop.co.uk/products-page/acoustic-construction-products/rockwool-rwa45-acoustic-insulation-slabs-50mm/

complies with UK building regs. I thought that is what you were
planning?

It will also keep the room warmer :-)

Personally I would fill all walls - but the main focus would be any
wall(s) that connect to the body of the house.

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Would I just need 1xsheet of 12mm normal plasterboard with this stuff ?

Phil any reason why the reviewers only give it 3* ?

Would this be needed on the wall connecting to the kitchen ?

Is it going to considerably reduce the width of the 8ft room ?


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tank121;630790 Wrote: 
 Would I just need 1xsheet of 12mm normal plasterboard with this stuff ?
 
 Phil any reason why the reviewers only give it 3* ?
 
 Would this be needed on the wall connecting to the kitchen ?
 
 Is it going to considerably reduce the width of the 8ft room ?
 
 Is it cheaper than 2x12mm boards with green glue ?

I'm no longer clear if we are talking about soundproofing as you would
do for a semi-pro/home studio or not.

In the past I have always used rockwool behind 2 layers of 12mm
plasterboard (one layer laid at 90 degrees to the other). If the
plasterboard is laid onto 2 inch studding there is no loss of depth in
the room - the wall is 3 inch depth in total over and above the
brickwork, the rockwool fits in the cavity that would be there anyway. 
I have no idea about green glue - I have never used it/ don't know
what it is...

I have always treated all walls equally, becuase I wanted very good
soundproofing both from the studio to the house and vice versa And also
from the outside (traffic noise etc).

Sorry I can't be of more help.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?


OK now I'm home and I've got the plans.

Originally the plans were submitted and with the revisions by bulding
control it was as follows

- new stud wall between living area and storage. 75x50 sw stud wall
with Rockwool acoustic insulation --(as Phil suggested).

New front wall with windows - External skin 100 x50 studding
constructed 25-50mm from inside vapour barrier on the warm side of
insulation. Where the new cavity brickwork is installed a 85mm cavity
filled with Crown Dritherm and 13mm 
dense plaster.  -- Do I take it rockwool is not needed here then ?

On the other walls 25mm to be left between inside face of existing
single brickwork, then 100 x 75 sw studding with 75 mm kingspan between
studs, vapour barrier (1200 visqueen) then insulation backed
plasterboard 25mm.

-- Will the 75mm Rockwool rwa45 be an acceptable replacement for the
Kinspan? for building regs ? With 2 sheets of 12.5mm plasterboard (by
default are they insulation backed ?)

The connecting wall to the kitchen was 2 layers of 12.5m plasterboard
with green glue in between. 75 x50 sw studs at600mm nominal centres
with 75mm kingspan against 190mm turbo brickwork.
--- again do away with green glue and replace the kingspan with the
Rockwool ?


Floor - insulation 110mm of kingspan kool therm k3 or similar. Carpet
top layer


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