Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp It's interesting to read others experiences with the transporter! I love it, but it has me tweaking my ass off! My experience is that the transporter needs some color. There are many different ways of doing that. Tubes being the most obvious path. This goes beyond and around the question of using or not using a preamp in the signal. If one was to add a good tube pre I could see how that would really work well. I have the t-amp sound in my system. Very good but still tweaking caps. The sound is very precise but still a bit thin and clinical. Much more fleshed out than my mosfet Perreaux (which is considered as euphonic as most if any SS amps), but still a tad anemic. I think the challenge with the transporter is with matching the right analog leaning sound amplification/downstream reproduction to the mix. It seems it would be simpler to take the preamp out of the variables and go direct to a power amp. That way if it doesn't work you know what is wrong. I personally feel that the newer class D amps are a good place to start - Wyred4sound comes to mind! -- earwaxer Waxer Transporter Winsome labs mouse Maggie MMG's (modified) JPS Labs power cords Audioquest Granite speaker wire Silver Bullet interconnect HSU research sub earwaxer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32040 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp vantagesc;443481 Wrote: Has anyone tried the NHT passive volume control between the Transporter and their amp? Yes I have both types of the NHT passive controllers (balanced and unbalanced versions), and have tried each with a Transporter and also with an SB3 (SB Classic). These NHT passive volume controls are easily the best passives I've ever tried to date, and I think this might also be partly due to the excellent Jensen line-level input transformers contained in them. I wish that I had discovered these little NHT devices a long time ago, I find them to be *the* ideal match for the SB and Transporter. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp i have all ten inputs connected on my linn kolector. i may try the direct connect to see what it sounds like without the preamp though. -- dizzysnakepilot dizzysnakepilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32043 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp My experience is it's all about system synergy. I have used my transporter plugged direct into my SAR Labs power amp and it was excellent. However, direct into my Quicksilver power amps wasn't a good result so I am running it into my preamp. It sounds awesome as so. -- Pneumonic Main: Transporter Squeezebox 3 Sonic Frontiers Ultra Jitterbug Roksan DAC/PS Modwright Sony SCD 777ES Sonic Frontiers SFL-2 Preamp Quicksilver Silver 90 Mono Power amps Martin Logan CLS II Speakers Office: Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 Muse Model One Preamp Quicksilver 8417 Mono Power amps Martin Logan Aerius Speakers Pneumonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp I did connect my Transporter directly into a Primare 33.2 power amp using balanced ouputs. At first I worried about overloading the Primare input, since I did not use any attenuation. It turned out that the Transporter was not able to drive the Primare no where near the maximum. So, in my case I need a pre-amp. Secondly I realy feel a pre-amp is the key element of making- or braking a system. Without pre-amp the sound is just very 'correct'. With pre-amp (primare pre30) the system comes to live. -- S2K S2K's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12675 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp ghostrider;428797 Wrote: My system is bi-amped and a pre is my only option. The transporter's outputs will drive a 600 ohms load effortlessly. Splitters on the output connectors is a very good solution if you are bi- or triamping. (If you're in cable cuckoo-land it might be expensive, but you shouldn't be there anyway.) -- Valentino Valentino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Pulled the pre-amp out and max volume is fine through the P1's. I will be testing some ATC SCM50A's in the near future but I am not sure it is worth the cost to upgrade. Currenty the configuration is outstanding in accuracy to the point that recordings I use to listen to sound a bit dirty compared to better recordings. (just plain bad engineering in the studio). My impression so far is that the TP is everything I had hoped for and more. 24/96 recordings through the TP are a great improvement over my single disc transport at 16/44. The next item to address is getting the 12v trigger to work for the amps. I am looking at just taking the fast way out and going with the Niles MSU250. This would let me use the IR off the TP to the Niles and then connect to the 12V trigger. Does anyone have a preference for controlling the TP? I use my iphone when at home but my spouse wants to be able to see all the music and make playlist etc without having to go to the server. I was thinking of using RDP from a small laptop (with SSD drive and no fan) in the listening room. I have not looked at softsqueeze so I am open to ideas for an easy user interface with full function and a readable size. Thanks -- Ozz 2 Channel listening Room: Transporter, Arcam C31 and Arcam P1 Mono Blocks feeding ATC SCM19s Cable and interconnects are both Kimber. HP media server with 4TB of storage connected to the whole house GB network. (in media closet) Media Room:Sony 70 SXRD, 4 NHT VT-2 Biamped (running all 4 subs) 4 NHT VS-2. Outlaw 990 6 Yamaha MX-2000 amps 4 NHT SA-2 amps (Sub amps) PS3 with 500GB onboard and 4TB external storage. Master BR: Sony 56 XBR4 and Yamaha YSP-4000 sound bar fed from media closet. Ozz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Ozz;442251 Wrote: My Arcam P1's both have balanced xlr connections so can I connect the TP directly to the P1's with my balanced XLR cables without an external attenuators? Yes you can, but the gain staging might be sub-optimal. If when you connect it up like this you find that at 100% volume setting on the TP it's louder than you'd ever want, you should add some passive attenuation. Have a look at these wiki pages: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Connect_To_PowerAmp http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/BalancedPowerAmps http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/DIYPassiveAttenuation Ozz;442251 Wrote: Next question: are the IR connections just 12V trigger for the amps? No. In their native form they send and receive IR codes to/from other equipment (with assistance from the IR Blaster plugin). If you want to get some kind of trigger signal to switch the power amps on/off with the TP, they can easily be arranged that way, using Felix's PowerSwitchII plugin (http://www.gwendesign.com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#powerswitchii). What you get out of the IR socket using this plugin is a DC signal of about 3.2V, not 12V. If your amps have a 12V trigger input, then you can step it up using a transistor as described on Felix's page. Note that this requires an external power supply. However, what you say next changes things slightly... Ozz;442251 Wrote: My Spouse would love to see less hardware in the main listening room and I can start by getting rid of the Pre-amp... crossing my fingers that she loves it and then I will spring the new ATC actives on her to replace the 2 Mono-blocks and the current ATC passives :-) Go for it. Passive ATCs? - you heretic! :-) If you plan to get active ATCs, then (unless ATC have recently added a DC triggering facility), you'll need to switch the mains power. The most elegant way to do this is to use an opto-isolated triac (eg. MOC3020 or similar) switching a power relay with a mains voltage AC coil. This requires no external power supply (the mains power you're switching is itself the power for the relay coil). You'll need to add a resistor (about 75 ohms) to step the 3.2V down to about 1.2V, which is the voltage needed to switch the opto-triac. (This same arrangement can of course be used to switch the mains power to your Arcam monoblocks in the meantime). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp TP connected to my Meridian G68 to make use of room correction and DSP modes. With a bit of luck apodising filters on the upsampling in the not-to-distant future. MS -- MadScientist MadScientist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Just trying to get this right... My Arcam P1's both have balanced xlr connections so can I connect the TP directly to the P1's with my balanced XLR cables without an external attenuators? Power amplifier input Nominal sensitivity 906mV (Arcam gain) Input impedance 22k#937; Gain 31.5dB (Arcam gain) Next question: are the IR connections just 12V trigger for the amps? My Spouse would love to see less hardware in the main listening room and I can start by getting rid of the Pre-amp... crossing my fingers that she loves it and then I will spring the new ATC actives on her to replace the 2 Mono-blocks and the current ATC passives :-) -- Ozz 2 Channel listening Room: Transporter, Arcam C31 and Arcam P1 Mono Blocks feeding ATC SCM19s Cable and interconnects are both Kimber. HP media server with 4TB of storage connected to the whole house GB network. (in media closet) Media Room:Sony 70 SXRD, 4 NHT VT-2 Biamped (running all 4 subs) 4 NHT VS-2. Outlaw 990 6 Yamaha MX-2000 amps 4 NHT SA-2 amps (Sub amps) PS3 with 500GB onboard and 4TB external storage. Master BR: Sony 56 XBR4 and Yamaha YSP-4000 sound bar fed from media closet. Ozz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Hi Christian, I had my TP connected directly to my Classé power amp via RCA cables. Two days ago, I upgraded to XLR balanced cables (with a pair of Endler attenuators with -16 dB attenuation) and I noticed a sound improvement in term of spatialization and high frequencies definition. This just finished convincing me about the benefits of a pre-amplifier free configuration. As your power amp has balanced input, it could be worth trying to connect the TP with XLR cables. However, you'll probably need some passive attenuation... I agree with dealer issue in Sitzerland; I had the same problem a few months ago before buying my system. Finally I took my TP to the dealer to test it with different power amplifiers. Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp ligald;430972 Wrote: I agree with dealer issue in Sitzerland; I had the same problem a few months ago before buying my system. Finally I took my TP to the dealer to test it with different power amplifiers. Same experience here, too, living in Zurich... Any dealer and equipment recommendations? Right now my TP is connected (balanced) to a Thule IA350 integrated amp driving a pair of Focal Electra 1027 Be and Electra 1007 Be. [IA350 is a virtual class a balanced stereo amp or a 5 channel amp, depending on input selection...] I would even abandon the rear speakers when connecting TP directly to a poweramp for enhanced sound reproduction and reduced system complexity. -- Meridion Songs: 15'720 - Albums: 1'295 - Artists: 900 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Meridion;430990 Wrote: I would even abandon the rear speakers when connecting TP directly to a poweramp for enhanced sound reproduction and reduced system complexity. Very nice speakers... Personally I wanted a configuration based on BW 802d speakers. The only remaining questione were 1) which power amplifier to associate with and 2)pre-amplifier or not? I read a lot of forums and finally decided to test by myself. I took my TP and asked the dealer to test it directly connected to a power amp. Of course, he never heard about the TP and was very skeptical about a Logitech gear connected to a 10k bucks amplifier. But quickly he (and I) realized that the matching was just perfect, taking the best from the speakers! Finally and without any doubt, the configuration without pre-amplifier just appeared to be THE Solution, providing the best sonic performances for the smallest price (remember that a pre-amplifier is at least as expensive as the power amplifier itself). Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp ligald;431001 Wrote: (remember that a pre-amplifier is at least as expensive as the power amplifier itself). Yes that's a big issue in itself. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop - Roberts Sound 43 / Sennheiser PX-100 / JVC UX-C30 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Schindler;430211 Wrote: Finally he decided, and that also recommended his dealer, to use a preamp. Its sounding simply much better with the preamp in the chain he told me... Well right now, I have to get a preamp ($ 2000 and up) from somewhere to test. As you clearly prefer the colouration caused by many preamps I'd recommend you listen using a few and choose one who's signature you prefer rather than use $'s as a criterion... -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp yeah you might be right. But here in Switzerland, specially around Bern it is hard to get high end audio gear. The dealers usually focus only to one brand so if you don't like it, it is difficult to test something at home. christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Running my TP into Rotel RB-06 power amp, 20db analogue attenuation means that -10db on the digital volume control gives a sensible listening volume with headroom for more. +---+ |Filename: IMG_0168.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7552| +---+ -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp egd;429842 Wrote: @cliveb: how far are you able to turn down the volume via SC before experiencing noticeable degradation? There's no discernable degradation in sound quality at any volume setting on the TP. But the change in loudness pretty much overwhelms most other audible measures of sound quality, so that's probably to be expected. I can certainly say that there is no audible quantisation noise at any volume setting. Were I to remove the 13dB passive attenuators and compensate by reducing the volume, there may very well be a noticable difference, but doing a proper level-matched blind comparison of those two setups is next to impossible, so I've never attempted it. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Ok, I've done quite a bit of listening today substituting my SCA2 with Endler 12-step balanced attenuators. Bottom line is they sound equally good to me, so my recommendation to anyone looking at a single-input music setup is not to bother with a preamp, get/ make yourself some decent attenuators and you're done (at a tiny fraction of the cost). @cliveb: how far are you able to turn down the volume via SC before experiencing noticeable degradation? -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Thanks.That seems to confirm Clive B's view- i.e. no preamp is ideal, but the SCA 2 is so good, it is unlikely to have any audible 'signature'. I feel vindicated in adopting a minimalist approach. I use Rothwell fixed attenuators and currently have only a single source, which is the TP. I may add TV/DVD, but think I can get away with using the TP for this, so shouldn't need a preamp..? I have now replaced most albums with CDs,so it will be difficult to justify the cost of an SCA2 ( with phono stage), and a respectable turntable. There's probably no going back now, even though it would be nice to hear some of the old vinyl and find out if it really is 'better' than CD. The vinyl will probably stay in boxes for another 10 years. That's the price of progress! -- iwalker iwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Vereina, did you also try the Transporter direct into ATCs? I can understand why introducing the SCA2 may have resulted in 'better' sound than using the volume control in a CD player, but would be interested in the difference when introducing SCA2 between TP and Active ATCs. Like Clive B, I also run TP direct into ATC 100s via XLR. I was tempted to get a good quality preamp(eg SCA2, or even a valve...), to allow me to play vinyl. I decided it was cheaper to replace all my vinyl with CDs rather than buy, even a second hand, SCA2! This setup has the advantage of simplicity,and I know that Clive B is an advocate, but I'd be interested in your experience, and also those of egd. -- iwalker iwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Haven't used my Endlers for a long time. I'll bypass the SCA2 this weekend and do some listening. Last time I did it there was nothing in it so I settled for the convenience of a preamp. Doubt I'd notice any real differences this time around, albeit I'm in a much better room now. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Vereina;429017 Wrote: Granted, the SCA2 is a superb piece of kit (I was extraordinarily lucky to get a mint second hand one for well under half the list price), but I mention it simply to make the point that the minimum possible number of components is not *necessarily* the better option. iPhone's comment, that it's hard to go wrong using the minimum number of components, is spot on, I think. Hard (probably so in the vast majority of cases), but not *always* so. Agreed. Some people round here will know that I'm a bit of an evangelist for the ditch the preamp message. But my rationale has always been that it's because most preamps do have an audible signature. The SCA2 is one of the few exceptions. (Of course, some people might actually prefer whatever colourations their choice of preamp introduces, and that's fine). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Preamp here, but it's also an SCA2 into SCM100SL AT's. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Preamp here Timpano pre via Linn Silver interconnects, my amplifier Linn C4200 has automatic sensing of audio input and sits there quietly waiting on an audio input... dennis -- dennis55 dennis55's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp cliveb;428932 Wrote: Introducing the ATC SCA2 into a general discussion about preamps is a bit like bringing the Ferrari Enzo into a debate about Fords and Toyotas. Granted, the SCA2 is a superb piece of kit (I was extraordinarily lucky to get a mint second hand one for well under half the list price), but I mention it simply to make the point that the minimum possible number of components is not *necessarily* the better option. iPhone's comment, that it's hard to go wrong using the minimum number of components, is spot on, I think. Hard (probably so in the vast majority of cases), but not *always* so. -- Vereina Vereina's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp I run my TP directly into my power amp (Classé CA-2200). It is now connected with unbalanced cables - and appropriate -20db attenuation - but I will upgrade to XLR as soon as my Endler's attenuators arrive. Anyway, I can only strongly recommend this setup, as long as you don't need the analog source management capabilities of a pre-amp. The sound is just amazing! And remember, the shortest the audio path is, the better the sound will be! Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp My system is bi-amped and a pre is my only option. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp It's not an answer to your question, but I can give you a perspective that may be relevant. For about eighteen months, I had my CD player (which has a good quality volume control) directly connected to ATC active loudspeakers, using an XLR balanced connection. This was a nice, minimalist setup and, so I thought, sounded pretty good. However, when I purchased a Transporter and decided to move my LP12 to this system, I obviously needed a pre-amp, and was lucky enough to get a second-hand ATC SCA2. This was a major improvement! I can only conclude that the SCA2 is better (yes, better, not different) at driving the ATC power amps. Perhaps the input and output impedances are better matched? (They clearly should be a good match, being manufactured by the same company ...) Perhaps the SCA2 is easier for the CD player to drive? Perhaps the CD player's direct output (without volume control) is better? Clearly, there may be cases where no pre-amp is better but, in this particular instance, the pre-amp was very definitely an improvement. -- Vereina Vereina's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Hello I really would like to know how many connected their Transporter directly to the poweramp... christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Schindler;428498 Wrote: Hello I really would like to know how many connected their Transporter directly to the poweramp... christian My TP is connected to my Pre-amp using the XLR Balanced outs. If I didn't also use the system for other sources and Home Theater, I am sure I would be directly connected. The reason I know is that I take the time to do that on occasion. Transporter to 1.5M XLR to Ayre MX-R to Vandersteen Quatro Speakers sounds very good. Hard to go wrong using the minimum possible components! -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp iPhone;428526 Wrote: Hard to go wrong using the minimum possible components! Well, that's what I thought initially. But my 'mileage' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=428126postcount=8) varies. -- sebp System : Mac Mini for ripping to FLAC (XLD) SqueezeCenter 7.3 running on a ReadyNAS NV+ Living room : Transporter NuForce IA-7 v2 KEF iQ9 Bedroom : Squeezebox 3 Beresford DAC NAD C315BEE KEF iQ3 Kitchen : SB Receiver Trends Audio TA10.1 Celestion F10 Bathroom : SB Boom 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp I had thought about this, but then I read an interview with someone (who I think was one of the original design people) state that the best sound possible from TP is when it's at 0db. Could we mortals hear the difference? Who knows .. ? Jon -- jono338 jono338's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
