Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Mnyb;360162 Wrote: Nonreality, id you ever submit a bug on this ? Is it still open, this is the kind of bug I want to vote on. I did but it got put with another bug on soundcheck that had nothing to do with it. That bug was declared fixed but not this problem. I tried a couple of times to re-submit but finally gave up as they didn't seem to understand the problem or the bug got lost in other soundcheck problems, not sure what happened. I also might have submitted it wrong the second and third times. Maybe I'll try again when I get a chance. It should have been a real easy fix. Only use one or the other but don't add them together as they are the same thing just a different way of doing replay gain. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
DeVerm;358577 Wrote: Hmm.. you're hitting a big void in my knowledge what tags exactly are we talking about? I know track album gain but what are soundcheck tags? cheers Nick. Itunes version of replay gain. They have to be different you know. It adds it as a proprietary comment field ( I can't remember the name right now). If you look at the extended tags in mp3tag it will show up as a comment and the field will contain a bunch of numbers. It converts to a value very close to the replay gain value and SC will add these together. It shouldn't. You should use one or the other. So if you have a -8 replay gain you will actually be lowering your volume about 16 db's in playback in SC. Only a problem if you have both and smart gain set. It's been a problem for me because I had to give up using soundcheck with my ipods and they won't use replay gain. I wanted to use replay gain at home so I ended up getting rid of the soundcheck tags from all my albums. I have not checked to see if this is still true with 7.2.1 but I haven't seen anything in the notes about it being fixed. It could be a real problem (actually it is a real problem for ipod users) if you have a high positive replay gain and having it doubled. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Nonreality, id you ever submit a bug on this ? Is it still open, this is the kind of bug I want to vote on. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
andynormancx;357063 Wrote: Not forgetting of course that issue with Apple Lossless files where the replayrain was being applied twice, thus making them sound even less like the WAV files they were compared to.Yes and not just apple lossless. Any file that has both soundcheck tags and replay gain will add both together and usually if it's a minus will cause the sound to be much lower. It's an issue with mp3 and apple files that have both tags. Why SC adds these together is decision that someone made long ago and it's a wrong one and needs to be changed. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Nonreality;358414 Wrote: Yes and not just apple lossless. Any file that has both soundcheck tags and replay gain will add both together and usually if it's a minus will cause the sound to be much lower. It's an issue with mp3 and apple files that have both tags. Why SC adds these together is decision that someone made long ago and it's a wrong one and needs to be changed. Hmm.. you're hitting a big void in my knowledge what tags exactly are we talking about? I know track album gain but what are soundcheck tags? cheers Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
In my personnal installation SC 7.2.1 run under a Mac Mini 2 GHz 2 Go RAM running Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)... much more than enough isn't it ? -- jeanchris jeanchris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
vincentyan;318146 Wrote: Dear GuyDebord, Please confirm your finding that WAV is better than FLAC in terms of sound quality. There are folks that are getting serious on this. Vincent Such claims have been made many times in the past. Upon further investigation, they always turned out to be: 1) not audible in a blind test, hence almost certainly the result of expectation bias, or 2) the result of replay gain. WAV files do not have replay gain (I'm pretty sure), FLAC files do. So if you've enabled replaygain for your FLACs there will be an audible difference, simply due to the volume adjustment. It is well established that volume differences have a very strong affect on perceived audio quality. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
opaqueice;357062 Wrote: Such claims have been made many times in the past. Upon further investigation, they always turned out to be: 1) not audible in a blind test, hence almost certainly the result of expectation bias, or 2) the result of replay gain. WAV files do not have replay gain (I'm pretty sure), FLAC files do. So if you've enabled replaygain for your FLACs there will be an audible difference, simply due to the volume adjustment. It is well established that volume differences have a very strong affect on perceived audio quality. Not forgetting of course that issue with Apple Lossless files where the replayrain was being applied twice, thus making them sound even less like the WAV files they were compared to. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Hi all, I'm using a SB Duet that use my ALAC iTunes library located on a Mac Mini (used as both server mediacenter) running Leopard latest iTunes + Quicktime releases. I use my Duet with an external DAC (embedded in my CAIRN FOG3 CD Player) and not using the analog RCA outputs. I just try to test the differences of ALAC - WAV and ALAC - FLAC by recording the SPDIF output of the SB Receiver (using a Stereovox HDXV digital cable). Here are the results (all tests with SC 7.2.1 firmwares up to date) : 1/ Comparison on the Mac Mini : ALAC file versus WAV file (the WAV is from an EAC RIP on a PC is my reference. This WAV was imported in iTunes as ALAC) Result : no difference 2/ 1st comparison using the SB Receiver : ALAC - WAV Result : no difference 3/ 2nd comparison using the SB Receiver : ALAC - FLAC Result : no difference Conclusion : Transitively, there is no difference between the original ripped CD track the hardware decoded FLAC on the SB Receive side ! I think it is a placebo effect to ear a difference between WAV, FLAC or ALAC for a same track at least using the SPDIF output. Perharps the SB (for my hardware : SB Receiver, it can not be the same for a SB3 or a Transporter) incorporated Digital to Analog conversion permit to ear a difference but using an all Digital signal an external high grade DAC there is none. -- jeanchris jeanchris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I'm way far from able to test anything but couldn't it be that the ALACFLAC conversion on SC has a problem? What kind of hardware OS does the SC run on? A NAS without FPU? Many variables. p.s. GuyDebord, I'm from Rotterdam too! ;-) cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Dear GuyDebord, Please confirm your finding that WAV is better than FLAC in terms of sound quality. There are folks that are getting serious on this. Vincent -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
GuyDebord;316806 Wrote: I just changed the settings in squeeze center to ALAC-WAV and I couldnt believe the difference, . thank you very much for this posting. I made the same exciting sound experience you describe with my recently purchased transporter, when I played for the first time AIFF files ripped from a CD (Saint-Saens, Symphony #3 -Organ) with iTunes. Surprisingly, the ALAC and FLAC rips (using Max because performed on an iMac)) from the same CD sounded poorer. This was very confusing and misleading because it is stated as a matter of fact, that lossless formats should not loose sound quality. According to your experience, I would guess now that the transporter perform some on the fly conversion with FLAC files in the default settings. Unfortunately I could not figure out, where to change the settings you described. In the advanced settings for file conversion in the 7.0.1. version of squeezecenter, there is no way to set any format to WAV. There is only a choice between Native and deactivated for most of the formats (I hopeI have used the right vocabulary because I am using a german localization of the server). Any additional hint would be very much appriciated.. -- ilbravo ilbravo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
jgs;316821 Wrote: What were your settings before (that weren't so good)? ALAC - FLAC -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, ASR Basis Exclusive phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), ASR Magic Cord (ASR), Siltech SPX30 MKII's (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I just changed the settings in squeeze center to ALAC-WAV and I couldnt believe the difference, I still cant believe it, already did blind comparisons with my wife helping change the squeeze center settings and It was clearer than water from Swiss springs. The bass tightened, the highs became ridiculously airier and the mids sweetened, how much I was missing!!! Still vinyl rules in my system but now digital doesnt fall to much behind as it used to, now i can really consider listening sessions with the transporter... I dont know what goes on in circuits or codes, all I know is that it sounds much better... -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, ASR Basis Exclusive phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), ASR Magic Cord (ASR), Siltech SPX30 MKII's (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
GuyDebord;316806 Wrote: I just changed the settings in squeeze center to ALAC-WAV and I couldnt believe the difference What were your settings before (that weren't so good)? -- jgs jgs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
vincentyan;316197 Wrote: Here is what I did: convert a song of Apple Lossless in iTunes to AIFF, WAV, and MP3 (iTunes doesn't support FLAC so I can't test FLAC). The resulting 3 files are .aif, .wav, and .mp3. Play them with SqueezeCenter. I can only FF/RW the MP3 song, not the AIFF nor the WAV. Any comment? It was strange that some of the AIFF songs in my iTunes library are .m4a files - those imported uncompressed from Grarageband. Well of course this is an iTunes issue and I guess I have to inquire Apple about that. I just double-checked to make sure I'm not losing my mind. I'm not (well not about this anyway) -- I can FF/RW MP3 and AIFF. I also generated my AIFF using iTunes, by ripping to Apple Lossless using Max, then importing the Apple Lossless into iTunes and transcoding to AIFF using iTunes. When you select one of your AIFF songs and right-arrow to get the file's info and then scroll down to see the file format, what does it say? Mine says AIFF, which I presume means SqueezeCenter has recognized it as such. The file extension is indeed .aif. I'm running SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 though I remember this working before too. Another thing to check would be to look at your SqueezeCenter prefs, and go to the Advanced Tab and then choose File Types. See if AIFF is configured to stream natively. If not, change it to be. -- jgs jgs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
jgs;316382 Wrote: FYI, I went ahead and opened bug 8620 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8620) analogous to bug 571, to request FF/RW support for Apple Lossless. ... and it got dup'd and bug 571 updated to encompass Apple Lossless, which is fine. I also noticed another relevant bug, 3345 support alac in hardware (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3345). Note that you can vote for bugs if you make yourself a bugreporter account. Not sure how much votes actually matter, but I'm just sayin'. -- jgs jgs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
vincentyan;315962 Wrote: How do you fast forward/rewind AIFF files in the Squeezebox 3? Isn't it very easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAVE, or FLAC when you need? You can not FF/RW any transcoded format on the SB. Only native formats allow this. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
AIFF is native, but how can I fastforward on SB3? I couldn't find the button in Squeezecenter. It would be quite nice if I can fastforward and rewind. -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
vincentyan;316018 Wrote: AIFF is native, but how can I fastforward on SB3? I couldn't find the button in Squeezecenter. It would be quite nice if I can fastforward and rewind. Apple Aiff is not native to the SB - it's transcoded using MOV123 (or FAAD if you have installed that). You can't FF/Rew it. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Phil Leigh;316026 Wrote: Apple Aiff is not native to the SB - it's transcoded using MOV123 (or FAAD if you have installed that). My File Types screen in SC says that AIFF is native. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
andynormancx;316028 Wrote: My File Types screen in SC says that AIFF is native. It is not. Only native formats that the SB and Transporter currently support is mp3,flac, and wav. Note that the original SB does NOT have native flac support and the Slimp3 only supports mp3 native. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
m1abrams;316035 Wrote: It is not. Only native formats that the SB and Transporter currently support is mp3,flac, and wav. Note that the original SB does NOT have native flac support and the Slimp3 only supports mp3 native. The wiki doesn't agree with you: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/HardwareComparison It says that SB2 and later decode MP3, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, WMA (except WMA Lossless), AIFF, WAV. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I think we are getting confused about the file formats... what extension are your files? If they are .AIF then these are AIFF files that are handled natively. If they are .m4a files (or other Apple variants) then these are NOT handled natively and are transcoded via MOV123 etc. (or ALAC for Apple lossless files) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
m1abrams;316035 Wrote: It is not. Only native formats that the SB and Transporter currently support is mp3,flac, and wav. Note that the original SB does NOT have native flac support and the Slimp3 only supports mp3 native. Not quite. SB2+ supports the following natively (without transcoding): File Format Stream Format AIFF AIFF FLAC FLAC MP3 MP3 WAV WAV WMA WMA Ogg Vorbis Ogg Vorbis -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Thanks for the tip. My AIFF files do have the extension of m4a (so they are not native AIFF files?). I then go to WAV: file type is .WAV and shown in iTunes as WAV type. Still can't find how to FF/RW in SB3. How does it work? -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Phil Leigh;316048 Wrote: Not quite. SB2+ supports the following natively (without transcoding): File Format Stream Format AIFF AIFF FLAC FLAC MP3 MP3 WAV WAV WMA WMA Ogg Vorbis Ogg Vorbis Wow, did they add more support after initial release? Cause I could have sworn it was just WAV, FLAC, and MP3. However I stand corrected, sorry for the mis-information. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
vincentyan;316075 Wrote: Thanks for the tip. My AIFF files do have the extension of m4a (so they are not native AIFF files?). I then go to WAV: file type is .WAV and shown in iTunes as WAV type. Still can't find how to FF/RW in SB3. How does it work? If they are .m4a they are not aiff files and they will need to be transcoded. Therefore they cannot support ff/rew. I think there may be an issue with WAV FF/Rew...but as I have never felt the need to FF or Rew anything EVER on an SB I wouldn't know for sure. However, I am pretty confident that if you convert your m4a files to FLAC then FF/Rew will work fine. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
vincentyan;315962 Wrote: How do you fast forward/rewind AIFF files in the Squeezebox 3? Isn't it very easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAVE, or FLAC when you need? Sounds like you've gotten your answer with regard to fast forwarding/rewinding AIFFs. (Summary, works with .aif, not with .m4a.) As for whether it's easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAV, when needed -- well, yeah, it's not too hard. But since I never know when I might want to fast forward/rewind a song, that implies I need to have my entire library already converted. Which is what I've done, in effect. By the way, bug 571 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571) looks like it may be relevant. -- jgs jgs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Here is what I did: convert a song of Apple Lossless in iTunes to AIFF, WAV, and MP3 (iTunes doesn't support FLAC so I can't test FLAC). The resulting 3 files are .aif, .wav, and .mp3. Play them with SqueezeCenter. I can only FF/RW the MP3 song, not the AIFF nor the WAV. Any comment? It was strange that some of the AIFF songs in my iTunes library are .m4a files - those imported uncompressed from Grarageband. Well of course this is an iTunes issue and I guess I have to inquire Apple about that. -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
opaqueice;192974 Wrote: That's an extraordinary claimAhem, this is after all the Audiophiles forum... -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
gdg;191951 Wrote: Hi All, For years I've been ripping my files to wave using EAC but in the as my Itune library has grown I've realized that I'd be better off (in terms of disc space) condolodating my entire library in Itunes. Is there any risk that I will sacrifice any audio quality if I use Apple Lossless files as the source for my Squeezebox? Gerry Just to chime in with my two cents, I think it is a compromise. Not in the sense that I don't think lossless is lossless, but in the sense that it is not open source. I don't trust Apple and there are more layers involved in all process from ripping to playback. In a minimalist audiophile way, Apple Lossless seems to break the rules instead of follow them. If one were to use FLAC, then all the doors open and one can stream in multiple ways. One has ripped a master source file that can now we converted into just about any file one needs or desires. Hard drives are so big and cheap these days, what is the big deal about saving 4 or 5 MB of space per song. It is laughable. For use with Apple iTunes or hardware, I then convert FLAC to 320 MP3. I don't let iTunes anywhere near my FLAC masters. -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Bedroom: SB3, NAD C370, Thiel 2.3 Home Office: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, VSM-1 Sigs Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
iPhone;315886 Wrote: Just to chime in with my two cents, I think it is a compromise. Not in the sense that I don't think lossless is lossless, but in the sense that it is not open source. I don't trust Apple and there are more layers involved in all process from ripping to playback. I totally agree with your statement, however, you not trusting and criticizing apple when your moniker is their logo and your name is iphone... it just doesnt fit... -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, ASR Basis Exclusive phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (ASR), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
GuyDebord;315909 Wrote: I totally agree with your statement, however, you not trusting and criticizing apple when your moniker is their logo and your name is iphone... it just doesnt fit... Well doesn't that depend? I only use an iPhone because it is the closest thing to caring a laptop without carrying one. I believe it is still the only cellular phone that can display full real webpages (not the mobile ones). I know its the only phone I can use with my broker website/software. And that is the ONLY reason I have it (and it doesn't hurt that I am a retired ATT/Cingular employee with a large discount on service plans/equipment). As for Avatar, I wanted to use the FLAC logo but a guy that is on the Forum often was already using it and the Apple kind of goes with the user name that I picked out of the air because I had just received my iPhone. It was more a choice of convience then conviction! And isn't the shading wrong/backwards on the Avatar? And I know that you have been around the Forum long enough to have read my rambling on about how I hate how iTunes, QuickTime, and any other Apple product or software tries to take over everything like it knows better then the user. What I am saying is that this is not a waffle or flip-flop, this has been my stand from the start and my user name and Avatar are just an abstract dig at Apple. I have only bought one song from the iTunes store because I had to buy the song first so that I could make it my Ringtone even though I already owned the CD and had the song ripped (another reason to dislike iTunes and Apple). Somebody should write a program that will take any ripped song and make it an iPhone Ringtone and sell it for $15. And lastly, one has to at least give Apple and Jobs there just dues for not folding under the pressure of MicroSoft (can't stand MS either but again have to use them sometimes). My favorites have always been the underdog like Amiga, BE, and using Red Hat. And isn't funny that so many free or open source items do so well? Back on topic now.. -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Bedroom: SB3, NAD C370, Thiel 2.3 Home Office: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, VSM-1 Sigs Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
After going through a similar mental exercise I ended up keeping my library in AIFF. The down side of Apple Lossless is that you can't fast forward/rewind it, nor can you with any of the other transcoded formats. AIFF on the other hand is supported natively, so you can FFWD/REW (at least as well as FFWD/REW works at all on a Squeezebox, which in my experience is only so-so). I'd be happy if either Apple decided to support FLAC, or someone fixed Slimserver to allows FFWD/REW on transcoded formats (which would appear to be as simple as transcoding to a temp file instead of a pipe, but maybe there's some reason not to do that which isn't obvious to me). Until then, well, disk is cheap. -- jgs jgs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
How do you fast forward/rewind AIFF files in the Squeezebox 3? Isn't it very easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAVE, or FLAC when you need? -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Mark Lanctot;195637 Wrote: You can't have one without the other. A Squeezebox depends on SlimServer or SqueezeNetwork. This answers most of your other questions. If you want to play local files you always need SlimServer. SqueezeNetwork will let you play Internet content - the only local content it will play is from MP3tunes, and that part is still in beta. Too bad that mp3tunes doesn't support lossless tracks! -- alexdemaet alexdemaet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Just going through the same exercise myself. I have about 100GB of FLAC files ripped with EAC. I have also created a 192kbps AAC version of the same library for my iPhone and to carry on my Macbook -- this is about 30GB. I am looking at a new portable headphone rig (iPod with the iQube headphone amp), which will be worthy of lossless files, so now I am in the process of transcoding all the FLACs to Apple Lossless. It is possible to use Foobar and iTunesEncode to do this in a fairly automated way (even picks up album art), but it takes DAYS of processing time (approx 15 to 20 mins per transcoded CD on a 2.0Ghz MacBook Pro running XP under Parallels). It annoys me, but until Apple supports FLAC on both the Mac and iPod I'll keep all three versions (heh, something to fill my 1TB Time Capsule!). muski -- muski Transporter-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Transporter-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I debated going with flac as well, and tried EAC, foobar, etc - but ultimately decided to use iTunes and ALAC to simplify the workflow in adding music to my system. I just have more time to simply listen to music and think about things other than how many programs I need to use (and preferences I need to configure) to manage my files. I wish Apple would offer FLAC as an option, but until they do the simplicity of iTunes and ALAC is fine with me. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Sorry, Noob here. I do not have a squeezebox yet, but planning/preparing for one. I will not have the slimserver, just the wireless sqeezbox. I have been experimenting with sbpoweramp to convert CDs to FLAC. The program so far has been a PITA. When it works it works fine, but only works part time. Am I to understand that to use Apple lossless I need the slimserver? Can I use apple lossless with only having the sqeezebox? Frankly, I do not yet know how to rip to apple lossless as I do not see the option in itunes, but it won't matter if I need slimserver. Anyone with patience want to point me to some links on what folks are using for formats and ripping programs? Thanks for the help. I am excited to figure this out so I can move on to the purchase of a slimbox. -- mgh mgh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10308 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
mgh;195633 Wrote: I will not have the slimserver, just the wireless sqeezbox. You can't have one without the other. A Squeezebox depends on SlimServer or SqueezeNetwork. This answers most of your other questions. If you want to play local files you always need SlimServer. SqueezeNetwork will let you play Internet content - the only local content it will play is from MP3tunes, and that part is still in beta. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
For information, the file conversion settings in Slimserver were set to ALAC-WAV. Not FLAC. I mentioned MP3 only because someone on this forum once said that I should check that down-converting to MP3 was not taking place. So, I compared ALAC with WAV, and preferred plain WAV by rather more than a country mile. What my personal experience tells me is that it's all very well claiming bit-perfect decoding of lossless files, but in truth something musical gets lost in the process, when compared with an uncompressed format that the SB can just get on with. I should stress that this is my personal experience - I know what my ears tell me, and I'm happy with the message. -- Shuggie Shuggie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8568 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I'm sure all the above is theoretically correct, but I found that reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So, I can understand that ALAC is not a compromise per se, but that's not quite how it works out with Slimserver and the SB3. As disk space is not a problem for me, I am content to use uncompressed storage in iTunes, which I find the easiest way to organise my music. I can't be bothered with FLAC, when Apple have made iTunes so pleasant to use. -- Shuggie Shuggie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8568 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Shuggie;192970 Wrote: I'm sure all the above is theoretically correct, but I found that reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So, I can understand that ALAC is not a compromise per se, but that's not quite how it works out with Slimserver and the SB3. As disk space is not a problem for me, I am content to use uncompressed storage in iTunes, which I find the easiest way to organise my music. I can't be bothered with FLAC, when Apple have made iTunes so pleasant to use. That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your music is stored as apples lossless or as WAV/AIFF. Have you done a blind test to verify that the effect is real? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
opaqueice;192974 Wrote: That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your music is stored as apples lossless or as WAV/AIFF. Isn't it the case that SS uses Quicktime to decode the Apple Lossless format? Are their any circumstances under which that process could result in less than perfect WAV or AIFF files? I find that some of my Apple Lossless files which play perfectly through iTunes exhibit clipping or clicking sounds when played back through my SB2 - it's one of the reasons I've been thinking about a radical change. When I play the same files back through my laptop into the same DAC using the laptop SPDIF connector, the artifacts are gone. So it's as though something in the SS transcoding is messing up gain levels. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
opaqueice;192974 Wrote: That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your music is stored as apples lossless or as WAV/AIFF. It depends on how you have the File Types set up in Slimserver. You can have it convert Apple Lossless files to either FLAC, MP3, or WAV, and I believe the default converts it to FLAC. I do perceive a slight but noticeable improvement in sound quality when using ALAC-to-WAV over ALAC-to-FLAC -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
PhilNYC;192999 Wrote: It depends on how you have the File Types set up in Slimserver. You can have it convert Apple Lossless files to either FLAC, MP3, or WAV, and I believe the default converts it to FLAC. I do perceive a slight but noticeable improvement in sound quality when using ALAC-to-WAV over ALAC-to-FLAC OK, I'm skeptical, but it's more plausible since at least the packets sent to the SB are different. The issue here was different - it was whether you hear a difference between ALAC-WAV and WAV-WAV, or between ALAC-FLAC and WAV-FLAC. CardinalFang, of course it's possible there's a bug in ALAC decoding, but it would be pretty strange for it to result in a subtle degradation of sound quality (as opposed perhaps to a click like what you heard). Anyway this can be easily checked - just play an ALAC file and record the S/PDIF stream from the SB digital out, then compare that to the original. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
opaqueice;193002 Wrote: The issue here was different - it was whether you hear a difference between ALAC-WAV and WAV-WAV, or between ALAC-FLAC and WAV-FLAC. The comment being discussed was an assertion that but I found that reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So the question I had was which File Type was being used when making this comment...ALAC-FLAC or ALAC-WAV? He just said that he wasn't using ALAC-MP3, but didn't specify whether he was using FLAC or WAV. If he was using ALAC-FLAC (the default setting), then the comment I posted was appropriate, because he was then comparing ALAC-FLAC to WAV-WAV (instead of ALAC-WAV to WAV-WAV)... :-)-:-D -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
PhilNYC;193011 Wrote: So the question I had was which File Type was being used when making this comment...ALAC-FLAC or ALAC-WAV? He just said that he wasn't using ALAC-MP3, but didn't specify whether he was using FLAC or WAV. If he was using ALAC-FLAC (the default setting), then the comment I posted was appropriate, because he was then comparing ALAC-FLAC to WAV-WAV (instead of ALAC-WAV to WAV-WAV)... Isn't part of the default setting WAV-FLAC? Anyway, it's pointless to speculate - maybe he will chime in. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I don't think itunes supports flac though. You may be better of with apple lossless. Note that you can't tag wav. -- gusi gusi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Apple Lossless (ALAC) is a good compromise to save disk space and to allow full tagging and artwork. iTunes can work with Wav files and covert your files to ALAC. The process is completely reversible (at least that's what I've been told, I haven't tried it). And you can set your Slimserver to decode ALAC on the fly to either FLAC or WAV for broadcasting to the network. I've tried both and see (hear) no difference. My network is strong and tests out over 5 mbs between the computer and my SB3 via the Slimserver throughput test. So, I went with ALAC to WAV conversion in Slimserver. -- creativepart - Great Guitar Websites: www.telecaster.com | www.strat-talk.com | www.gibson-talk.com creativepart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I've got over 12000 songs in my library so far, and 75% of them are Apple Lossless. I've seriously considered FLAC encoding because of Slim's 'native' playback of that format, but just haven't found any software that tags and maintains my library as well as iTunes does. Playback is NOT a problem, even transcoding to LAME. There is talk that Leopard, the next Apple OS, may add FLAC capabilities to QuickTime. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
Why are you keeping your files as WAV - would FLAC not be a better medium in terms of disk space? Any lossless format is just that - lossless - so you will not compromise quality. You will eat up bandwidth on your network as you will have to stream the ALAC files as WAV's - SB3 does not have ALAC native. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
No, as you will have to setup the SlimServer to transcode the ALAC files on the fly. If you transcode to WAV, the SB will be receiving data packets identical to your original WAV files. If you transcode to FLAC, you will save some bandwidth, but since you are already streaming WAV there is probably no need. Obviously, if you transcode to MP3, you will be using lossy compression, so the audio properties will be affected. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
