[AZORES-Genealogy] Obito records

[Paul]

I have been looking at some obito records trying to find some family. The 
one question I have is the person listed in the left column are they the 
deceased or the person reporting the death?
 
Paul G.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software Program

[Paul]

I went from using PAF5 to RootsMagic without a problem. There are some 
minor quirks to get used to. I had no problem uploading my GEDCOM (or 
whatever it's called) to RootMagic. After uploading, RootsMagic checks for 
duplicate records (at least it did for me) just be carefull and doulbe 
check what it is showing you. The only thing I would like to see them 
change is when you go to print a family group report that you can print a 
descendant family group report like PAF, not one family at a time.
 
Paul G.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:22:33 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Tanya,
>
> Yes, most of the major genealogy software programs jumped on the "help the 
> PAF users" train.
>
> The link for RootsMagic's help for PAF users is here:
> http://www.rootsmagic.com/PAF/default.aspx
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 3X great grandfather's baptismo record - Antonio de Mello

[Paul]

Thank you Aaron and Cheri. @Cheri, I agree he wanted people to notice his 
handwriting.
 
Paul G.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:57:00 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

> That guy really liked to make sure that he reached the top of the line 
> with his tall letters!
>
> Godfather:  Tomas de Mello, son of the family of Francisco de Mello, 
> cobbler (shoemaker - sapateiro) - spelling - the place of Faial (they mean 
> Faial da Terra; if it was Faial island, it would say "ilha de Faial") and 
> of Margarida da Silva.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012

["E" Sharp]

Ancestry now has these records listed. If you need a lookup, let me know.
One at a time please.

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Syndi T]

Thank you Cheri.  I will definitely look into it tomorrow. I know I visited our 
local LDS many years ago but all of their records were destroyed in a fire. I 
will see if they can direct me to another center. 



On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:21:10 AM UTC-3, Cheri Mello wrote:
> FHC = Family History Center. They are located at many of the Churches of 
> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) or Mormons.  They are open to the 
> public.  You do not need to be LDS to use them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
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> Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[pico]

The only guarantee the grandparents were listed was on 1 July 1860 forward.But many started before that. Sometimes even the latter 1700s.On Madeira, it is normal to list them in the 1700s, even for marriages. And I have seen that on the mainland, too.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Dano 
Date: Thu, March 20, 2014 3:39 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Joseph, I neglected to mention that I didn't see Joam's mother listed in the record (which is somewhat odd). As for the Grandparents, they weren't listed in the early records. I'm not sure, but, I believe they weren't added until the early, or, mid 1800's'. Possibly Cheri, Doug, or JR can chime in.  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

FHC = Family History Center. They are located at many of the Churches of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) or Mormons.  They are open to the
public.  You do not need to be LDS to use them.


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Syndi T]

Hi Richard,


Sorry for my ignorance but what is FHC? I'm very new at this. 

Syn

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Syndi T]

Hi Richard,

The only information I have is what my grand uncle had found on his own and the 
other information I located from my great grandfather: his name was Jose but 
then it changed to Joseph Texeira. His birth date was September 23, 1877 or at 
least that's what is own his grave. The only other information about Maria da 
Estrella is that she died in April 1927 and was buried at the Kurtistown 
Catholic Cemetery but there are no markers.  The cemetery has fallen apart. 

Thank you for your help. 
Syndi

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

That would mean he was born about 1843 and married around 1872. Those dates 
fall in the dead zone for the records I have. I would start looking at the 
marriage records of NS Estrela in Ribeira Grande for the marriage of Manoel and 
Maria. The records for Ribeira Grand are not on line yet. In the mean time you 
could order the film at the FHC near you but the records when they are put on 
line are easier to use than the micro films.

I can definitely say that the marriage is not in Ribeirinha  as I have all the 
marriages from there.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island 
to Hawaii

Hi Cheri,

Thank you for responding. The date was, 1 November 1883.  Manoel was 40 yrs, 
his wife Maria was 37. The children was Jacintha, Jose and Maria; 11, 5, and 2 
respectively. 

Syndi 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi,

The mother is Josefa do Canto.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

>
> Yes, generally the grandparents appear in the baptisms from the mid-1800s
> onwards.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Syndi,

 

I have some Teixeira's from Ribeira Grande but I do not have a Manoel
Teixeira married to a Maria da Estrella. Can you give me some dates. Are
there any other relatives you could name. What was the name of your grand
uncle and when was he born?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:52 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island
to Hawaii

 

Repost for Syndi Texeira, syndih at gmail.com

Hi, I'm new to this group as well as genealogy. I'm trying to research my
family that came from the Azores to Hawaii Island. I did find my great great
grandparents on the Bell Rock ships manifest. Their names were Manoel
Teixeira and Maria Da Estrella. They traveled with three children (Jose
would be my great grandfather). I have been looking on the CCA but in my
grand uncle's notes, it says they were from Ribeira Grande. I'm not sure if
that's correct since I don't have any proof.  My grand uncle started this
endeavor and I hope I can finish what he started. Any help would be
appreciated. 

Mahalo
Syndi Texeira

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Syndi T]

One other detail was the spelling of our family's surname.   It was TEIXEIRA 
but along the way it changed to Texeira. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Syndi T]

Hi Cheri,

Thank you for responding. The date was, 1 November 1883.  Manoel was 40 yrs, 
his wife Maria was 37. The children was Jacintha, Jose and Maria; 11, 5, and 2 
respectively. 

Syndi 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

Syndi,

The 3 pieces for genealogy are a name, a date, a place.  The place is
usually the hardest, but you have that.  What's the date on the Bell Rock
manifest?

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Texeira from Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Syndi Texeira, syndih at gmail.com

Hi, I'm new to this group as well as genealogy. I'm trying to research my
family that came from the Azores to Hawaii Island. I did find my great
great grandparents on the Bell Rock ships manifest. Their names were Manoel
Teixeira and Maria Da Estrella. They traveled with three children (Jose
would be my great grandfather). I have been looking on the CCA but in my
grand uncle's notes, it says they were from Ribeira Grande. I'm not sure if
that's correct since I don't have any proof.  My grand uncle started this
endeavor and I hope I can finish what he started. Any help would be
appreciated.

Mahalo
Syndi Texeira

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, generally the grandparents appear in the baptisms from the mid-1800s
onwards.
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software Program

[Cheri Mello]

Tanya,

Yes, most of the major genealogy software programs jumped on the "help the
PAF users" train.

The link for RootsMagic's help for PAF users is here:
http://www.rootsmagic.com/PAF/default.aspx

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software Program

[Tanya Smith]

I just got back to doing some genealogy and recently discovered that PAF is
no longer used.  When open my PAF files it freezes up in the middle of
navigating.  Can Rootsmagic help to convert my PAF files? Any other ideas
or recommendations?

Thanks,

Tanya Smith


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Maria Elena said:
> << I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family
> search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names.  I'm LDS and
> like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that
> program is in the "cloud"  so I can access it from anywhere.   But for
> everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying,
> I think I may need another program. >>
>
> Maria Elena, since you now have a criteria for your genealogy program (you
> like it in the cloud and being able to access it from anywhere), look into
> RootsMagic.
>
> http://www.rootsmagic.com/
>
> The PAID version of RootsMagic (RM) has their "RootsMagic To-Go" feature.
> Their Web site says:
>
> < copy the RootsMagic program and your data onto any simple USB flash drive
> or removable drive. Take the drive to a computer, plug it in, and run
> RootsMagic directly from it.>>
>
> It literally runs off your flash/USB/thumb/travel drive!  So you can
> always have your genealogy with you.
>
> In addition, RootsMagic has a section on their site about PAF users
> switching over.  They are one of the sponsors for the Azores Genealogy
> Conference, too.  Bruce Buzbee, owner, donated a full, paid copy of RM as a
> door prize!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Joseph and Dano.
My two cents worth: Joao son of Mathias da Costa and Josefa  (can't make 
out with certainty the first word on the second line), looks like do Paroto 
(which doesn't make sense to me).
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:14:56 -0700
From: dpai...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- 
can't really read it) Help!

Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name is 
mentioned at the beginning " legitimate (abbrv) son of "Mathias" da Costa 
native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo nasceo (was 
born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was baptized in this 
same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned Villa, parish of his 
parents on the sixth day of the current month and year by me, Maoel de Medeiros 
, Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de Andrade, single, parishioner 
of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and Miguel Pereyra, and for the 
record I dated this day, month and as above.

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:I think I may 
have found my 4th great grandfather's,  Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm 
not sure.  Per my previous post,  he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa 
Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca).  Can anyone read this.  In the 
link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner.  Looks like 
this is from Sept 1751?  I need help verifying that these are in fact the names 
of the parents on this record.  What about grandparents' names?  Anyone see 
those?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[nancy jean baptiste]

I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais 
and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't 
noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John 
Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote.
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: busybo...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child 
because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza 
Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. 

I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA 
match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see 
an immediate connection to these people. :)


Mary

On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry.  I forgot to include the link on that
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html


Thank you, Doug and Antonio.
Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Everyone,
I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site.  It is for Antonio, 
son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, 
native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 
29th in the home.  I don't know what the rest says & google translate is 
absolutely no help on this one.  I see witnesses but no padrinhos.  Did this 
child die?  I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in 
the home?  The baptism is on the top left of the pg.



Help!  Please.
Thanks,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO






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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[Mary Bordi]

It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the
child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de
Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt.

I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a
DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I
don't see an immediate connection to these people. :)

Mary

On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry.  I forgot to include the link on that
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html
>
> Thank you, Doug and Antonio.
>
> Fawn Silva
> St. Louis, MO
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva 
> <2sil...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site.  It is for
>> Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara
>> Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I
>> think baptized on the 29th in the home.  I don't know what the rest says &
>> google translate is absolutely no help on this one.  I see witnesses but no
>> padrinhos.  Did this child die?  I checked the obitos & could not find
>> him. Why was he baptized in the home?  The baptism is on the top left of
>> the pg.
>>
>> Help!  Please.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fawn Silva
>> St. Louis, MO
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Dano]

Joseph, I neglected to mention that I didn't see Joam's mother listed in 
the record (which is somewhat odd). As for the Grandparents, they weren't 
listed in the early records. I'm not sure, but, I believe they weren't 
added until the early, or, mid 1800's'. Possibly Cheri, Doug, or JR can 
chime in.

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> I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's,  Joam da Costa's, 
> birth record, but I'm not sure.  Per my previous post,  he is the son of 
> Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). 
>  Can anyone read this.  In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in 
> the lower right corner.  Looks like this is from Sept 1751?  I need help 
> verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. 
>  What about grandparents' names?  Anyone see those?
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Dano]

Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name 
is mentioned at the beginning " legitimate (abbrv) son of "Mathias" da 
Costa native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo 
nasceo (was born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was 
baptized in this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned 
Villa, parish of his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year 
by me, Maoel de Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de 
Andrade, single, parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and 
Miguel Pereyra, and for the record I dated this day, month and as above.

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
>
> I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's,  Joam da Costa's, 
> birth record, but I'm not sure.  Per my previous post,  he is the son of 
> Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). 
>  Can anyone read this.  In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in 
> the lower right corner.  Looks like this is from Sept 1751?  I need help 
> verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. 
>  What about grandparents' names?  Anyone see those?
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the mother of Joao

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, and when doing research, it's best to keep all possibilities open.  I
don't want to mislead our members who are new to genealogy!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the mother of Joao

[Dano]

Hi Cheri, Sometime back JR, and I shared a circumstance where the 
Grandparents were incognito. Since the person was not someone critical to 
my research, I didn't think much about it - however, in this second 
instance, I thought it might be worthy of mention. You correctly pointed 
out that I wasn't drawing a conclusion on the reason for anonymity, but, 
merely making an observation. Living in these more liberal times, we 
sometimes forget how restrictive the rules were for many of our ancestors.

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:16:25 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Maria Elena,
>
> Dano didn't say that it was a class difference and that is why the 
> grandparents weren't named.  He said it was a possibility.  I've never come 
> across that in my research.  The pais incognitos that I've run into were 
> just that - unknown.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Names on Birth Record

[Pam Santos]

They basically could pick any name they choosed. Father, mothers
grandparents or whichever.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Joseph Costa wrote:

> Thanks Pam.  I suppose it's possible that he is one of my great
> grandfathers, Matheus da Costa,  which is how the name appears on the
> marriage record of his son Joam da Costa.  Was it common for a boy to take
> a surname given by his mother?   Matheus' wife was Josefa Pacheco (in some
> records it's Pachequa or Pacheca).  She was born in 1714.  I'm trying to
> find their marriage record so that  I can verify the names of Matheus'
> parents.
>
> Matheus' death record is here:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html
>
> Josefa's birth record is here:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html
>
> Josefa's death record is here:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html
>
> Their son, Joao's (Joam's) marriage record:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html
>
>
> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:23:48 AM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>
>> Marcos Ferreira and Barbara da Costa
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Joseph Costa  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.  I need some help deciphering the names on this birth record
>>> from 1705.  It's the "Mathias" in the middle of the left hand page.  Can
>>> anyone make out the names of the parents?
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>>> VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1696-1710/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1696-1710_item1/P158.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Soares Sentinella Family Tree

[Cheri Mello]

Nope, I clearly remember pulling out the HI books and looking stuff up for
someone on the list and calling Shirley Allegre about it.  It's probably in
a thread titled "Help Me" or "Newbie" or "Family" or someone just hitting
send to ANY thread and responding.

If you keep searching and searching in the archive, you will find it.  It's
been awhile though.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogy Software Program

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Maria Elena, since this the post is about genealogy software and
not the baptism of Joao:

Thank you for your idea about Legacy.  I feel pretty stupid for forgetting
one important thing - I have  a MAC BOOK PRO.  I had Legacy on the old
tower computer and loved it but computer died.  :(.

I think this is a new thread (?).

Maria Elena



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> Maria Elena said:
> << I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family
> search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names.  I'm LDS and
> like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that
> program is in the "cloud"  so I can access it from anywhere.   But for
> everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying,
> I think I may need another program. >>
>
> Maria Elena, since you now have a criteria for your genealogy program (you
> like it in the cloud and being able to access it from anywhere), look into
> RootsMagic.
>
> http://www.rootsmagic.com/
>
> The PAID version of RootsMagic (RM) has their "RootsMagic To-Go" feature.
> Their Web site says:
>
> < copy the RootsMagic program and your data onto any simple USB flash drive
> or removable drive. Take the drive to a computer, plug it in, and run
> RootsMagic directly from it.>>
>
> It literally runs off your flash/USB/thumb/travel drive!  So you can
> always have your genealogy with you.
>
> In addition, RootsMagic has a section on their site about PAF users
> switching over.  They are one of the sponsors for the Azores Genealogy
> Conference, too.  Bruce Buzbee, owner, donated a full, paid copy of RM as a
> door prize!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Pam Santos]

Your welcome


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> WOW!  Pam-  thank you for doing this.  I've been running into these
> abbreviations more and more as I get back in time.  I even noticed the
> priest abbreviating the word for filho (a).  The first time I saw it, I got
> stuck on it for a time.  This is great.  Thank you.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:
>
> I started a list of surname abbreviations with the help from Manuel
> Furtado. Manuel also added the first name abbreviations. So if anyone else
> has more to add please let me know. This will help the new people in their
> research. If any corrections need to be made please let me know so I can
> correct them All help is appreciated. Thanks
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[AZORES-Genealogy] US Attorney Mathias F. Correa

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Bill Boze, boze44 at gmail.com

He was my Great Uncle. His three children with my Great Aunt are atill
alive though Louise passed away a few years ago.
What is your connection and/or interest?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogy Software Program

[Cheri Mello]

Maria Elena,

The Mac people will answer you, as I'm not a Mac user.

You'll have to install a middle man type thing on your Mac to run Windows
programs.  Parallels, VM Fusion or others.

There's a brief explanation of it here on the RootsMagic site:
http://www.rootsmagic.com/mac/
Cheri



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Maria Elena, since this the post is about genealogy software
> and not the baptism of Joao:
>
> Thank you for your idea about Legacy.  I feel pretty stupid for forgetting
> one important thing - I have  a MAC BOOK PRO.  I had Legacy on the old
> tower computer and loved it but computer died.  :(.
>
> I think this is a new thread (?).
>
> Maria Elena
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Maria Elena said:
>> << I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family
>> search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names.  I'm LDS and
>> like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that
>> program is in the "cloud"  so I can access it from anywhere.   But for
>> everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying,
>> I think I may need another program. >>
>>
>> Maria Elena, since you now have a criteria for your genealogy program
>> (you like it in the cloud and being able to access it from anywhere), look
>> into RootsMagic.
>>
>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/
>>
>> The PAID version of RootsMagic (RM) has their "RootsMagic To-Go"
>> feature.  Their Web site says:
>>
>> <> to copy the RootsMagic program and your data onto any simple USB flash
>> drive or removable drive. Take the drive to a computer, plug it in, and run
>> RootsMagic directly from it.>>
>>
>> It literally runs off your flash/USB/thumb/travel drive!  So you can
>> always have your genealogy with you.
>>
>> In addition, RootsMagic has a section on their site about PAF users
>> switching over.  They are one of the sponsors for the Azores Genealogy
>> Conference, too.  Bruce Buzbee, owner, donated a full, paid copy of RM as a
>> door prize!
>>
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>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone else matching to Basque from the population finder test from Ftdna

[Brandi Lovelady]

According to 23andMe my maternal haplogroup is H2a5.  I have read that this 
haplogroup is found only in the Basque region of Spain.

On Monday, March 10, 2014 5:34:31 PM UTC-7, Antonio Faria wrote:
>
> The European portion of my population finder results match equally to 
> Basque/Spanish is anyone else matching to Basque. From what I have read the 
> Basques are somewhat unique genetically, and I thought I would have a clear 
> match to Spanish because it the population most similar genetically to  
> Portuguese people.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Joseph Costa]

I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's,  Joam da Costa's, 
birth record, but I'm not sure.  Per my previous post,  he is the son of 
Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). 
 Can anyone read this.  In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in 
the lower right corner.  Looks like this is from Sept 1751?  I need help 
verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. 
 What about grandparents' names?  Anyone see those?


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Names on Birth Record

[Joseph Costa]

Thanks Pam.  I suppose it's possible that he is one of my great 
grandfathers, Matheus da Costa,  which is how the name appears on the 
marriage record of his son Joam da Costa.  Was it common for a boy to take 
a surname given by his mother?   Matheus' wife was Josefa Pacheco (in some 
records it's Pachequa or Pacheca).  She was born in 1714.  I'm trying to 
find their marriage record so that  I can verify the names of Matheus' 
parents.

Matheus' death record is 
here: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html

Josefa's birth record is here: 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html

Josefa's death record is here: 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html

Their son, Joao's (Joam's) marriage record: 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:23:48 AM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> Marcos Ferreira and Barbara da Costa
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Joseph Costa 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi all.  I need some help deciphering the names on this birth record from 
>> 1705.  It’s the “Mathias” in the middle of the left hand page.  Can anyone 
>> make out the names of the parents?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1696-1710/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1696-1710_item1/P158.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Soares Sentinella Family Tree

[Terry Sentinella]

Cheri, It looks like this discussion is about the newspaper "A Sentinella" 
published in the late 1800's.  I don't believe it has anything to do with 
our family, just seems to be a coincidence.
Thanks Though
Terry
 

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:46:02 PM UTC-7, Terry Sentinella wrote:

> Does anyone have information on Joao (John Sr.), Jacintha Emilia, Maria, 
> Fransisca, Jose (Joseph), or Joao (John jr) Soares Sentinella.  They 
> arrived on the SS Hansa in 1882 and resided on Maui.
> Thanks Terry Sentinella
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vierra/Vieira Family

[John Vasconcelos]

Dianne,
When you are in Santa Cruz, Flores, be sure to stop in at the Flores Museum
which is located in the old "Convento da Boaventura". The former director
Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira still spends a lot of time there (his son Luis is
now the director) and may be related to you or at least probably can hook
you up with relatives. Contact me directly if you like and I can probably
give you some more leads but it will take me a little time.
John Vasconcelos gfsjohnv at gmail dot com


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Carolina,
> like Dave I am also a reader, my mom came across this site when looking
> for my paternal great grandparents who lived in Lajes das Flores. António
> Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade were my great grandparents (I have a
> photo of them)  My grandfather Joao Rodrigues Vierra settled in Turlock and
> had a dairy ranch there. It sounds like your husband's great grandfather is
> the brother of my grandfather. I am going to visit Flores for the first
> time later this year.
> Dianne
>
> On Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:40:17 PM UTC-8, Carolina wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Helen and Cliff for the info!
>>
>> I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to
>> get my bearings straightlol.
>>
>> All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no
>> one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go.
>>
>> My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do
>> Mar.
>>
>> We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek
>> and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock
>> area.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Caroline
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vierra/Vieira Family

[João Ventura]

Hi Dianne,

I've got a couple of Rodrigues Vieira in my personal family tree. They're a 
bit back in time though. Feel free to take a 
look: http://venturas.org/familytree/pedigree.php?rootid=I1748&ged=venturas

I'd recommend you buy the 'Casais das Flores e do Corvo' ebook. You'll be 
able to build your family tree a lot faster with that. You can find it 
easily in amazon.com.

Happy researching,

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Thursday, 20 March 2014 04:04:27 UTC+1, dicarlo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Carolina, 
> like Dave I am also a reader, my mom came across this site when looking 
> for my paternal great grandparents who lived in Lajes das Flores. António 
> Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade were my great grandparents (I have a 
> photo of them)  My grandfather Joao Rodrigues Vierra settled in Turlock and 
> had a dairy ranch there. It sounds like your husband's great grandfather is 
> the brother of my grandfather. I am going to visit Flores for the first 
> time later this year. 
> Dianne
>
> On Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:40:17 PM UTC-8, Carolina wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Helen and Cliff for the info! 
>>
>> I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to 
>> get my bearings straightlol. 
>>
>> All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no 
>> one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go. 
>>
>> My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do 
>> Mar. 
>>
>> We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek 
>> and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock 
>> area. 
>>
>> Thanks again! 
>> Caroline
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao

[Diane George]

You may also want to look at Legacy at http://legacyfamilytree.com. It allows 
you to link to your FamilySearch Family Tree and download (or upload) 
information) from and to your Family Tree online. You choose what data you want 
to include (sort of like FamilyTreeMaker and Ancestry). You can download a free 
version (without the FS FamilyTree integration) to see if you like how it 
handles your data before purchasing the full program for about $29.95. There 
are several options available that include manuals and other products. You can 
decide if you want to synchronize your data between the two-I don’t because of 
other people making changes on the tree.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Lima
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:16 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao

 

Aaron;  I have not searched for the marriage of Jose D'Almeida and Miguelina De 
Torres or De Resende YET.  I've been looking for the marriage of their son Luis 
to Luiza de Jesus.  In the process I found an. Index in the beginning of the 
book with names for more of their children so today I'll follow up on them and 
see when they started having children but I need to find my husband's great 
grandparents- the Luis and Luiza couple.  I'm HOPING I can find Luiza's 
lineage.  She used the name Luiza de Jesus CORREA.  So I'm wondering where the 
CORREA came from but maybe the marriage record will give a clue.  

 

Aaron, do you use familysearch.org   to enter your 
names?  I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family 
search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names.  I'm LDS and like 
using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that program is 
in the "cloud"  so I can access it from anywhere.   But for everyday going bk 
and forth in researching, copying records and verifying, I think I may need 
another program.  

 

Thank you so much for your willingness to help me. 


Maria Elena 


On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:22 AM, Aaron Pereira mailto:pereirah...@gmail.com> > wrote:



  Hello Maria,

Glad I could help.  No, I do not have an index nor are they in my family tree.  
I do have Resendes in my family tree from Achada.  
It's not difficult to find related records (baptism) of children from the same 
parents.  Once you find one, you can usually locate the others fairly quickly; 
provided the parents did not move to another parish.

Were you able to locate Jose's marriage to Miguelina?


On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:20:57 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote:

Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this information.  
You have been so helpful in sending the links!  I did a couple of happy dances 
this morning.  Thank you so much.  

 

I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the other 
records.  How on earth did you find these so quickly.  It takes me a long time 
going page by page.  Was there an index or do u have these people in your tree? 
 I noticed the Resende name is in your email.  

Maria Elena 


On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira  > 
wrote:


  Hello,

I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and I've 
seen both male and female interchange surnames.  example, Jose de Faria, I 
found his marriage record and first child born, using the name Jose Correa 
Pimentel.  His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was a Correa. 
I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa (Nordestinho), 
Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada).  In most of these 
cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers surname.In the 
case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and going back in the family 
tree to figure it out. 

 As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's 
pedigree.

As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out.  I tried looking for 
Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't find it.  I 
looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta

Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his maternal 
grandparents surnames.  I think it agrees with your original assumptions and 
findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! 

http://goo.gl/NmK2X0   

brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2  

brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc

 

On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:


Upper left hand page- for JOZE 
  
I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in Agua 
Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact  parish as is  mentioned in this record) 
and his wife Luiza de Jesus. 

However,  I came across this record where t

[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software Program

[Cheri Mello]

Maria Elena said:
<< I'm thinking that I need to get a program in addition to the Family
search Family Tree because I'm getting more and more names.  I'm LDS and
like using the family tree because (like I learned from Cheri Mello) that
program is in the "cloud"  so I can access it from anywhere.   But for
everyday going bk and forth in researching, copying records and verifying,
I think I may need another program. >>

Maria Elena, since you now have a criteria for your genealogy program (you
like it in the cloud and being able to access it from anywhere), look into
RootsMagic.

http://www.rootsmagic.com/

The PAID version of RootsMagic (RM) has their "RootsMagic To-Go" feature.
Their Web site says:

<>

It literally runs off your flash/USB/thumb/travel drive!  So you can always
have your genealogy with you.

In addition, RootsMagic has a section on their site about PAF users
switching over.  They are one of the sponsors for the Azores Genealogy
Conference, too.  Bruce Buzbee, owner, donated a full, paid copy of RM as a
door prize!

-- 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Maria Lima]

WOW!  Pam-  thank you for doing this.  I've been running into these 
abbreviations more and more as I get back in time.  I even noticed the priest 
abbreviating the word for filho (a).  The first time I saw it, I got stuck on 
it for a time.  This is great.  Thank you. 

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 20, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:
> 
> I started a list of surname abbreviations with the help from Manuel Furtado. 
> Manuel also added the first name abbreviations. So if anyone else has more to 
> add please let me know. This will help the new people in their research. If 
> any corrections need to be made please let me know so I can correct them All 
> help is appreciated. Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vierra/Vieira Family

[luiznoia .]

Carolina,

 I have a boatload of Flores families detailed in my databases, including a
few Rodrigues Vieira lines from Lajes. Find everyone you're looking for?

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Carolina,
> like Dave I am also a reader, my mom came across this site when looking
> for my paternal great grandparents who lived in Lajes das Flores. António
> Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade were my great grandparents (I have a
> photo of them)  My grandfather Joao Rodrigues Vierra settled in Turlock and
> had a dairy ranch there. It sounds like your husband's great grandfather is
> the brother of my grandfather. I am going to visit Flores for the first
> time later this year.
> Dianne
>
> On Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:40:17 PM UTC-8, Carolina wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Helen and Cliff for the info!
>>
>> I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to
>> get my bearings straightlol.
>>
>> All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no
>> one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go.
>>
>> My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do
>> Mar.
>>
>> We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek
>> and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock
>> area.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Caroline
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao

[Maria Lima]

Aaron;  I have not searched for the marriage of Jose D'Almeida and Miguelina De 
Torres or De Resende YET.  I've been looking for the marriage of their son Luis 
to Luiza de Jesus.  In the process I found an. Index in the beginning of the 
book with names for more of their children so today I'll follow up on them and 
see when they started having children but I need to find my husband's great 
grandparents- the Luis and Luiza couple.  I'm HOPING I can find Luiza's 
lineage.  She used the name Luiza de Jesus CORREA.  So I'm wondering where the 
CORREA came from but maybe the marriage record will give a clue.  

Aaron, do you use familysearch.org to enter your names?  I'm thinking that I 
need to get a program in addition to the Family search Family Tree because I'm 
getting more and more names.  I'm LDS and like using the family tree because 
(like I learned from Cheri Mello) that program is in the "cloud"  so I can 
access it from anywhere.   But for everyday going bk and forth in researching, 
copying records and verifying, I think I may need another program.  

Thank you so much for your willingness to help me. 

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:22 AM, Aaron Pereira  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   Hello Maria,
> 
> Glad I could help.  No, I do not have an index nor are they in my family 
> tree.  I do have Resendes in my family tree from Achada.  
> It's not difficult to find related records (baptism) of children from the 
> same parents.  Once you find one, you can usually locate the others fairly 
> quickly; provided the parents did not move to another parish.
> 
> Were you able to locate Jose's marriage to Miguelina?
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:20:57 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>> Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this information. 
>>  You have been so helpful in sending the links!  I did a couple of happy 
>> dances this morning.  Thank you so much.  
>> 
>> I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the other 
>> records.  How on earth did you find these so quickly.  It takes me a long 
>> time going page by page.  Was there an index or do u have these people in 
>> your tree?  I noticed the Resende name is in your email.  
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Hello,
>>> 
>>> I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and 
>>> I've seen both male and female interchange surnames.  example, Jose de 
>>> Faria, I found his marriage record and first child born, using the name 
>>> Jose Correa Pimentel.  His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was 
>>> a Correa. I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa 
>>> (Nordestinho), Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada).  In 
>>> most of these cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers 
>>> surname.In the case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and 
>>> going back in the family tree to figure it out. 
>>> 
>>>  As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's 
>>> pedigree.
>>> 
>>> As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out.  I tried looking 
>>> for Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't 
>>> find it.  I looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta
>>> 
>>> Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his 
>>> maternal grandparents surnames.  I think it agrees with your original 
>>> assumptions and findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! 
>>> 
>>> http://goo.gl/NmK2X0   
>>> 
>>> brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
 On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
 
 Upper left hand page- for JOZE 
   
 I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in 
 Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact  parish as is  mentioned in 
 this record) and his wife Luiza de Jesus. 
 
 However,  I came across this record where the names of the grandparents 
 are so similar, that I wondered if Luiz D'Almeida is a brother to Jose 
 D'Almeida.   the name of the parents for both Luiz and Jose are both Jose 
 D'Almeida and both men's mother is Miguelina.  However, For Luiz the 
 mother is Miguelina De Torres and for this Jose the mother is Miguelina de 
 Resende (?) if I read it correctly.Miguelina is not a common name so I 
 wonder if it IS the same person, it's,possible she used both names:  De 
 Torres and De Resende.   Any thoughts? 
 
 Can anyone help me out with the name of the mother of the baby in this 
 record, please?  The best I could make out was Jesnivea de Concinco(?). I 
 know that doesn't make sense) 
 
 T

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for D'Andrade in Sao Miguel

[Antonio Roque]

Hi Linda

What is your relation to Roque Rodrigues and Rosa Jacintha?

On Saturday, October 2, 2010 11:18:19 PM UTC-4, Linda Norton wrote:

>  I'm glad Elizabeth you gave your info since I didn't have it and you 
> know as we discussed that I have Manuel de Almeida de Andrade Rodrigues 
> from Sao Roque as my ggrandfather b. abt. 1855. Also his daugther, my 
> grandmother Maria do Espirito Santo de Andrade b. 1884 always carrying her 
> name as de Andrade so my mother always said. I never heard my mother say de 
> Almeida or even Rodrigues. She has listed on her marriage certificate she 
> is from Ariffes.
>  
> Manuel was married to Maria da Gloria from Faja de Baixo. They had four 
> children: Odelia, Anton, my grandmother and Elise. Odelia married and went 
> to Canada with two children, Anton never married (spent all the money given 
> to him) and my grandmother and Elise had 17 children between the both of 
> them, but 10 of them died. Supposedly my ggrandfather was very wealthy. I 
> think it was a mill that he owned because some of what was left (equipment) 
> went to my grandmother and probably the other sisters as a dowry. I just 
> remember my mother telling me that her nephew who still lives in Ribeira 
> Grande sold off the last of everything back in the 80's/90's and my mom 
> told him to keep the money. She said it didn't add up to much supposedly. 
> That's all I know about her maternal side.
>  
> I will have to get certificates and see what I can find out. I know that 
> Celeste helped me when she went there in 07 and found quite a few Manuel 
> Rodrigues. The only one that was close was Manuel and Marie (twins) March 
> 7, 1896. Manuel de Almeida and Maria Jacintha. Paternal Jose de Almeida and 
> Maria Joaquina; Maternal Roque Rodrigues and Rosa Jacintha. Close because 
> it's the only one I saw de Almeida and Rodrigues together. Again this was 
> from Sao Roque.
>  
> Maybe someone may pick up something from this info and help us out.
>  
> Linda
>  
>  
>  
>
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> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for D'Andrade in Sao Miguel
>
>I am trying to find information on my D'ANDRADE ancestors...
>  
> Here is what I have:
>  
> Jacinto D'ANDRADE (my ggrandfather) m  Margarida Candida LOPES in Ariffes, 
> Sao Miguel 16 Sep 1872
>  
> s/o Antoinio D'Andrade de Silva m Dona-Anna-Clara in Fenais do Luz, Sao 
> Miguel 26 Sep 1831
>  
> s/o Joao D'ANDRADE RAPOSO m Genoveva ROSA in Fenais do Luz, Sao Miguel, 14 
> Oct 1779
>  
> s/o Manuel D'ANDRADE-MACEDO m Mariana(?)  
>  
> I have no further information.could there possibly be someone else on 
> the "list" looking for this family who could help me break through?
>  
> TIA
>  
> Elizabeth
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[Fawn Silva]

Sorry.  I forgot to include the link on that

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html

Thank you, Doug and Antonio.

Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site.  It is for
> Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara
> Joaquina Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I
> think baptized on the 29th in the home.  I don't know what the rest says &
> google translate is absolutely no help on this one.  I see witnesses but no
> padrinhos.  Did this child die?  I checked the obitos & could not find
> him. Why was he baptized in the home?  The baptism is on the top left of
> the pg.
>
> Help!  Please.
>
> Thanks,
> Fawn Silva
> St. Louis, MO
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for Jacinta Emilia Soares in Ribeira Cha, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Terri]

Hi Terry
I think we have two different Jacinta's.  My ancestor is Jacinta Emilia 
Soares married to Antonio Ambrosio de Araujo.  They had 11 children born in 
Agua d'Alto. I have never seen the name Sentinella in any records but I 
will go back again and check through what I have (just in case)  I don't 
have her death record because it wouldn't be available online (circa 1942) 
.  Funny though how two people with almost the exact same name were born in 
the same place and died in the same place.  Maybe there is a connection 
somewhere along the lines.
 
Terri Santos
researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of the mother of Joao

[Aaron Pereira]

  Hello Maria,

Glad I could help.  No, I do not have an index nor are they in my family 
tree.  I do have Resendes in my family tree from Achada.  
It's not difficult to find related records (baptism) of children from the 
same parents.  Once you find one, you can usually locate the others fairly 
quickly; provided the parents did not move to another parish.

Were you able to locate Jose's marriage to Miguelina?


On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:20:57 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>
> Thank you so much for taking the time to write and sending this 
> information.  You have been so helpful in sending the links!  I did a 
> couple of happy dances this morning.  Thank you so much.  
>
> I noticed the priest didn't include Luis' parents but they are in the 
> other records.  How on earth did you find these so quickly.  It takes me a 
> long time going page by page.  Was there an index or do u have these people 
> in your tree?  I noticed the Resende name is in your email.  
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Aaron Pereira > 
> wrote:
>
>
>   Hello,
>
> I've spent some time studying Achada and Nordestinho, Nordeste records and 
> I've seen both male and female interchange surnames.  example, Jose de 
> Faria, I found his marriage record and first child born, using the name 
> Jose Correa Pimentel.  His grandma was a Pimentel and his great grandma was 
> a Correa. I've also seen inter-change of names with Silva-Brandoa 
> (Nordestinho), Simas-Resendes (Achada), and Pimentel-Resendes (Achada).  In 
> most of these cases, they were simply using either the father or mothers 
> surname.In the case of Jose de Faria, it took a little extra work and 
> going back in the family tree to figure it out. 
>
>  As for the pais incognito, a DNA test could help elucidate your husband's 
> pedigree.
>
> As for the mother of Jose (the son), I can't make it out.  I tried looking 
> for Joze de Almeida and ? da Conceicao's marriage record but I couldn't 
> find it.  I looked in Sao Sebastiao and Agua Retorta
>
> Here is Jose's baptism (father), left hand side; take a look at his 
> maternal grandparents surnames.  I think it agrees with your original 
> assumptions and findings regarding Jose and Luis de Almeida. Good work! 
>
> http://goo.gl/NmK2X0   
>
> brother Francisco de Almeida's baptism http://goo.gl/tVR9n2 
>
> brother Luis's baptismhttp://goo.gl/hnn8jc
>   
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40:54 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>>
>>
>> Upper left hand page- for JOZE 
>>   
>> I'm was searching for children born to Luiz D'Almeida from the parish in 
>> Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel, (the same exact  parish as is  mentioned in 
>> this record) and his wife Luiza de Jesus. 
>>
>> However,  I came across this record where the names of the grandparents 
>> are so similar, that I wondered if Luiz D'Almeida is a brother to Jose 
>> D'Almeida.   the name of the parents for both Luiz and Jose are both Jose 
>> D'Almeida and both men's mother is Miguelina.  However, For Luiz the mother 
>> is Miguelina De Torres and for this Jose the mother is Miguelina de Resende 
>> (?) if I read it correctly.Miguelina is not a common name so I wonder 
>> if it IS the same person, it's,possible she used both names:  De Torres and 
>> De Resende.   Any thoughts? 
>>
>> Can anyone help me out with the name of the mother of the baby in this 
>> record, please?  The best I could make out was Jesnivea de Concinco(?). I 
>> know that doesn't make sense) 
>>
>> There's several coincidences: both men came from the same parish; both 
>> men have a father with the same name and a mother with the same first name 
>> which is an uncommon name  and both men had wives with 
>> Pais incognitos.  Ugh!(So I came across my first encounter with Pais 
>> incognito and I don't know if that's going to mean I hit a dead end.). It's 
>> a shame because it's my husband's great grandmother 
>>
>>  Here's the record.  I appreciate any help. Thank you 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1857-1860/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1857-1860_item1/P67.html
>>  
>>
>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Pam Santos]

I am up not sure why lol I am driving to California tomorrow afternoon to
visit my oldest son.


On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:00 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Yes it would!!! Hopefully he lets you share it.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Al's on the east coast, so he's asleep.  I had wy too much caffeine
>> too late at lunch.  I'm usually sound asleep by now. I use his list in my
>> classes and it would be a great addition to the Azores GenWeb and for all
>> us researchers!
>>
>> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Pam Santos]

Yes it would!!! Hopefully he lets you share it.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 3X great grandfather's baptismo record - Antonio de Mello

[Cheri Mello]

That guy really liked to make sure that he reached the top of the line with
his tall letters!

Godfather:  Tomas de Mello, son of the family of Francisco de Mello,
cobbler (shoemaker - sapateiro) - spelling - the place of Faial (they mean
Faial da Terra; if it was Faial island, it would say "ilha de Faial") and
of Margarida da Silva.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Cheri Mello]

Al's on the east coast, so he's asleep.  I had wy too much caffeine too
late at lunch.  I'm usually sound asleep by now. I use his list in my
classes and it would be a great addition to the Azores GenWeb and for all
us researchers!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 3X great grandfather's baptismo record - Antonio de Mello

[Aaron Pereira]

  Hello Paul,

There is no grandparents listed, the birth date is April 21, 1805, and 
baptized on April 28th.  But, the godparent is Tomas de Mello, son of 
Francisco de Mello JaPateiro (excuse me if I got the extra surname wrong, 
I'm sure you know the correct spelling) and Margarida da Silva.  I can tell 
you the grandparents are not listed but maybe another lister can better 
translate the document for you. Because the related surnames of the parents 
of Antonio and the godparent and his family, I think it's safe to say 
they're related.  Something to look into.  

here is the direct link to the baptism record   http://goo.gl/oIAke6

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:29:49 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
>
> The link below is for my GGG grandfather Antonio de Mello's baptismo 
> record (lower right corner). I believe the year is somewhere between 1805 & 
> 1810, probably closer to 1808 since that was the last year noted at the top 
> of one page. Father - Manoel de Mello, mother - Maria da Silva. Since the 
> record is at the bottom the writing gets scrunched and I was unable to 
> figure out if his grandparents were listed.
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818_item1/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818_JPG/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818_0085.jpg
>  
> Thanks for any help.
>  
> Paul G.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Pam Santos]

Okay let me know. Yeah we had already started this prior to your post.
Since I had such a hard time with abbreviations thought it would make it
easier for the new people.


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> though!!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Cheri Mello]

Hang on and let me get a hold of Al Ramos.  No sense in reinventing the
wheel, so-to-speak, if it's already done.  I do appreciate the effort
though!!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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