RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topic: da Costa, de Sousa Domingos, dos Santos
Hi Yvonne, Disregard the other information I sent you. That is the wrong family. Looking at the Passport record I read the following: 23 Nov 1906 Manuel Joaquim de Costa age 56 Son of Jose Joaquim de Costa and Rosa Caetana Maria dos Santos age 56 daughter of Manuel (Vieira?) (Gi?) and Rosa do Espirito Santo. Idelina age 19 Lepoldina age 16 And looking at the last line it appears this person is traveling with them Manuel Ferreira age 10 son of Manuel (Rego?) and Julia dos Santos. I have a Manuel son of Jose Joaquim de Costa and Rosa Caetana born in Ribeirinha on 1 Oct 1850 but no marriage record for him (Which means he may have married after 1883) I am still looking for Maria dos Santos. I am going to have to search the records for births in 1850 for her. May be some one else on the list can look at this CCA record and get a better read on the names of the parents of Maria dos Santos. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Domings Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:37 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topic: da Costa, de Sousa Domingos, dos Santos Hi Rick, Well this is very interesting. Thank you for checking it out for me. I really appreciate it. hat is the FHC? I'm new at all of this. This name thing must create nightmares. I wonder why they opt to change their name so much. For all we know, then the name Angelina could be wrong, no? At any rate, I went back to the CCA site and tried to imagine the names you found printed on the passaportes list, but I'm not sure. I'm attaching it for you to take a look at if you don't mind. Here is the link as well: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PPDL1906-1907/PPDL19 06-1907_item1/P34.html I guess your idea to write to Ponta Delgada for copies is a logical next step. Do I need to request this in Portuguese? I don't think I speak enough to do that, but I can ask a few friends who do. The problem is that I only have a full date for one of the sisters (Adelina or Idalina). She was born April 18, 1887. I have Marianna as born in 1885 and Leopoldina born in 1891. As for the archives in Ponta Delgada, would they have a record of my grandfather-in-law's birth record as well? I happen to have a birth date for him (July 6, 1881). Yvonne Topic: da Costa, de Sousa Domingos, dos Santos http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/c5040851e65c3b18 mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Oct 23 07:45AM -0400 ^ Hi Yvonne, The name Manuel Joaquim de Costa while consists of common names the combination of them is not that common. This Manuel Joaquim de Costa was born before 22 Jan 1856 (Based on age given on marriage record) you said your Manuel Joaquim was born about 1855. As far as the name Maria dos Santos and Maria Julia Arruda, I have found that woman seem to have their names recorded in more different ways than men and most of the time only the first name remains the same over the course of years. My 2d great grandmother was known at different times in her life as Rita dos Santos, Rita de Jesus, Rita da Conceicao, Rita de Sousa, and Rita de Pimentel. So what needs to be done is to find a record that names one of their children (Lipordinha, Mariana or Aldina) and names them. I took a quick look at the FHC this past Thursday to see if I could find anything and The Baptism records for 1881 in Santissimo Salvador are not on the microfilm but I did look at 1880 and 1882-83 which is all I have access to I did find the birth of a child Angelina baptized on 1 Jan 1880. The parents names are the same as I previously reported. This may require a request to the Archives in Ponta Delgada for a copy of the birth record of Lipordinha if you know her birth date. Where on the CCA site did you find the passports? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of yvonne domings Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:37 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: da Costa, de Sousa Domingos, dos Santos Hi Rick, Thank you so much! This is amazing. I understand that the Portuguese shift names around, but I am a little confused about why you think it may be the same person. Can you elaborate? I wish I could find my g-father-in-law in the passaportes, but I haven't found anything yet. There are several records for him that say he was born in Ponta Delgada, but I'm told that could include the whole area. Do you know anything about that? Yvonne your Maria dos Santos married she used the name Maria Julia Arruda. I
[AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Cape Verdean Ancestry and the Azores
Hello Hardrick, I am forwarding this to the Azores list as there are several researchers that have done more research in Vila Franca than I have. You can join the Azores group by going to this link: http://groups.google.com/group/Azores As far as where to look next: I would suggest the Dartmouth Family History Center in Dartmouth (It is not far off I-195) George Pacheco who is on this list works there and they have Microfilm of all the church records from the Acores. The family history centers are run by the LDS and use of them is free. You only pay for making copies and a small fee if you have to order a film from Salt Lake City I realize that Clinton is hour+ drive to Dartmouth but I only suggest it because they already have the films there. I am not sure but there may be a FHC in the Worchester MA. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: cvbuck...@aol.com [mailto:cvbuck...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:19 AM To: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Subject: Cape Verdean Ancestry and the Azores Hello Mr. Pimentel: I fancied myself as a superb investigator, however, Genealogy Research is a whole new ball game. I am assisting my wife in tracing/researching her Cape Verdean Ancestry. For years she assumed her family immigrated to Falmouth, Massachusetts directly from Cape Verde only to recently learn they immigrated from Sao Miguel, Azores. The surname for her family is Andrade (Andrada in one Census and Andrade with an accent on a Death Certificate). Her father was born in Massachusetts but her grandfather, great grandfather and great great grandfathers (all named Manuel Andrade) were born in Sao Miguel. We suspect it was the previous generation that immigrated from Cape Verde to the Azores. The information we have was determined from U.S. Death Certificates which provide the information of the mother and father of her ancestors. Our trail has temporarily ended with the birth of her Great Grandfather at St. Michael, Azores in 1872. He died in East Falmouth, Massachusetts on December For example, her Great Grandfather was Manuel Andrade born in 1872 at Villa Franca, Azores His Father was: Manuel Andrade born at Villa Franca, Azores His Mother: Mary Santos born at Villa Franca, Azores His wife, My wife's Great Grandmother was Mary Michael born in 1883 at St. Michael, Azores and died at East Falmouth, MA in 1956 Her Father was (first name unknown) Last name: Michael unknown DOB born at St . Michael Her Mother was listed as Unknown Their son was Manuel Andrade born at St. Michael in 1896 and died at Falmouth, Massachusetts on August 21, 1924 They immigrated to the U.S. in 1903 according to the 1910 U.S. Federal Census What information is available in the U.S other than U.S. Census information that might provide additional leads. How does one request is vital records (birth, death, marriage) information re her ancestors that may be on record at the Azores? Respectfully; Hardrick Crawford Clinton, Maryland, USA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.image001.jpg
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] crossed out name help reading
Hi Jesse, All I see is Francisco. It does not look like any thing was written over to me. The writer of this document could have been having trouble getting his quill to work right at the start and that's why it looks like it was written over. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Pacheco Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:21 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] crossed out name help reading I was hoping someone could take a look at this record for me: Page 1 (bottom right): http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5445/aguadopaubaptismos17801.jpg Page 2 (top left): http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5445/aguadopaubaptismos17801.jpg I have two problems. 1) Can someone tell me the name of the baby that this baptism is about? Yes, at first glance it looks like Francisco but there is writing over the name so I don't think it's him. I have been through all the AdP records in this time frame looking for a Manuel, born to these parents. What I know about him is that he was first married in 1820, and when he had my great-great-great grandmother, it was 1853. So I know he was an adult by 1820 but not elderly in 1853; that is why I'm certain he was born around 1800. I've searched from 1790 to 1805 (with other sources saying he was born in Agua do Pau) and this record is the best fit. I'm hoping someone else can look and see if they think this really is for a Manuel. 2) The baby's maternal grandmother's name is one I am not familiar with, but maybe I'm reading it wrong? I'm seeing Jezceta or Jezeta Pacheca? Jezeka maybe (I know k was not used in Portuguese)? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria records
The Santa Maria records are not on line. They are available on microfilm. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Pacheco Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:01 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria records Hi everyone. Are records for Santa Maria online anywhere, or are they only available on microfilm? I finally traced my Andrade line back to this island, so I'm very excited! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do you Recognize Anyone?
Hi Linda the picture of the unknown men was taken on the steps of NS Estrela in Rebeira Grande. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:46 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do you Recognize Anyone? The picture of unknown men - my grandfather, Antonio Furtado, front row, end on the right side. I think the front row, second from the left is Lopes, from what I thought my father said. Do not know where except that it's in Sao Miguel maybe Ribeira Grande mid 1930's? I don't why this was taken either, but my father had these pictures that I found. The Service Men picture - I'm stumped because the front row second from the right looks like my grandfather, but I don't remember him being in the service so I'm not sure. That would be taken around 1914 maybe. Any thoughts? Linda Borges Furtado Norton *** This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any copying, distribution, dissemination, or use of the information in this communication in any way is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this message to notify the sender and delete the original message from your e-mail account. For intended recipients, please safeguard any personal information included in this transmission. State laws may require you to take specific measures to secure personal information and notify individuals affected by any security breach of your physical and/or electronic files. Thank You. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help
It is definitely the 20th day I see dias not dos I also see an abbreviation Mar before Barbara. So her name would be Maria Barbara Durate everything else is consistent with what you say. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Pacheco Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:14 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help I looked at the record before I read your message, and got 22 Aug 1?34 Francisco, son of ? Gomes and Barbara Duarte Looks like this is consistent with what you were looking for! I do see 22 and not 20, though. On 9/14/2010 2:06 AM, Jacki G wrote: Can anyone make out what this says. There is also a larger version that may be easier to see, on my family website here: http://www.thegentrys.us/Baptism1634.htm I am trying to make sure I have the right record. It should be the baptismal record for Francisco Gomes baptized 20 Aug 1634. His parents were Lazaro Gomes and Barbara Duarte. Baptised at Igreja Paroquial de Santa Barbara, Cedros Faial. With my limited ability to read the old portuguese, I'm only pretty sure. Thanks for the help Jacki Pittsburg, CA Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do not join mydailyflog
Hi Elaine, I clicked on it but I decided I did not want to create another pass word so I deleted it. I figured if the picture was that good it would be attached to a message. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E Sharp Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:12 PM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do not join mydailyflog If any of you get an email saying I invited you to join Mydailyflog, do NOT join. I did NOT send or ask them to send this and somehow they got into my mailing list and sent it out to everyone on my mailing list. I have had them remove my email address from their list! Elaine -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker 2011
Hi All, I received the new FTM 2011 this past Friday and have been playing around with it. I have been using FTM 2006 V16 for the longest time even though I did get FTM 2008 2009 which I did not like as well as 2006. One thing I have noticed is the maps in 2011 of the Acores are great it has the street where my grandfather was born. I have been tweaking my database and finding errors (from my data entry) and correcting them. I think I might just like this version. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao R. Nicolau - Bretanha, Sao Miguel
Manuel Sousa Coelho Married 10 Oct 1869 Ajuda Bretanah to Ana Tavares. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bellema...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:49 PM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao R. Nicolau - Bretanha, Sao Miguel Does anyone have anything of this Joao R. Nicolau and family who lived in Fall River. His full name might be Joao do Rego Nicolau but I am not sure. He married Maria Jose Sousa b. abt. 1878 - her father is listed as Manuel Sousa Coelho, Bretanha. Her sister is Miquelina Coelho b. abt. 1886. I found an 1895 marriage record between Joao do Rego Nicolau and Maria J. de Sousa. His parents are Jose R. and Maria I. Telles and her parents are Manoel and Maria C. Carvathos (Carvalho?). All children were born in USA. Thanks E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado from Riberinha, Sao Miguel
Maggie, I have a lot of Furtado information from Ribeirinha prior to 1883 and I also have a Furtado line from there. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores Thanks, Maria. I had already found that photo but my dad isn't in it. My dad is Jaime Furtado de Sousa. He left Ponta Delgada on March 22, 1954 on the SS Homeland. He was born in Ribeirinha, Sao Miguel. He arrived in Halifax on March 27, 1954. Was your dad part of this group? If so, do you have any other photos you can share? Thanks for your help. Maggie -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] grandmother with pais incognito
Not necessarily, I have found Baptisms of exposto's and pais incognito mixed in with other Baptisms. And yes some special books were kept just for exposto's Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jojo8...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:06 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] grandmother with pais incognito Thanks Judi, I have that info. The problem is that I think that he was from Sao Rogue but she always said that she was from the cidade which is Ponta Delgada and where there is a church Sao Pedro. If, in fact, she was illigitimate that church would not have kept her baptism record (so I am told). It would have been recorded in a special book kept at the Matriz church in Ponta Delgada, Sao Sebastao. Perhaps that book has been sent to the library or archives. I'll start at the biblioteca and the archives trying to find Humberto and my grandfather's family. I have his siblings names and year of birth. I also have the names of her foster brother and sister. I'm meeting George Pacheco at the FHC in Dartmouth on the 28th to try to make sense of this conundrum. Another hard lesson to be learned. Please ask your family for as much information as they are able to provide. I didnt. I wasn't interested as a child and now there is no one to ask. My father and his siblings died at a reatively young age. Thanks againJoanne - Original Message - From: Judi Phillips jude2...@msn.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 11:27:07 AM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] grandmother with pais incognito Joanne, There is an entry on the passports in Ponta Delgada on Feb 13, 1904 for a Jose Pereira son of Joaquim Pereira and Emilia Augusta traveling with his wife Francisca de Jesus age 25 and Humberto age 1. If this is your family, they are from Sao Rogue, Ponta Delgada. Have you tried the microfilm at the FHC? It should be easy enough to find since you know the birth date. Judi _ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 02:39:26 + From: jojo8...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] grandmother with pais incognito Hi group, I hope someone can help me in my quest. On my grandmother's Francisca J (Almeida) Pereira born July 1 1879 passport application her parents were listed as pais inognito. It is thought that the Almeida name was that of her foster or adoptive parents. Does anyone know where you begin to look for a birth or baptismal record? I will be in Sao Miguel for ten days. Leaving on August 14. Will be going to the archives to trace my grandfather's family (Pereira) but she is the one that I am really interested in. I know that the Almeida family was from Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada. One of the wonderful people in this group found her sister's obituary in Oakland,CA. My grandparents came to the East coast and settled in Fall River,MA. She arrived with my grandfather and an 18 month old son named Umberto. George Pacheco mentioned that the baptisms of those children were kept in the Matriz church. Any idea as tto how I can see that book? Am I on a fruitless quest? Joanne Souza -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz
Hi Shirley, It is nothing to be sorry about. Just like fine wine we get better with age. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:36 PM To: Shirley Allegre; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz I finally figured out that Bras da Costa Loureiro is not connected to me. Sorry about the mixup. Shirley - Original Message - From: Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz That is something that I am going to check on this coming Wednesday. I will let you know what I find out. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Shirley, Where does Bras Costa Loureiro b. 1682 m. Hermina Pimentel connected to your Joao da Costa Loureiro? Hermina carried Rick's and my Pimentel line down. My ggrandfather dropped the Pimentel and carried Furtado from his mother which I thought I always was or am, but now I see I should be a Loureiro or maybe de Sousa, Rodrigues or really Furtado as I go back further. I can't believe that we can be carrying the female surnames and not the male surnames as Americans do. It's amazing to me. Linda Borges ?Furtado Norton -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz I will check on this this coming Wednesday. Can I assume that all of these births were in DES- Maia? I have Joseph da Costa Carneiro Maria Vultoa married 3 Feb 1721, in Maia. Maria Vultoa is the daughter of (Manoel Correa Marvao from Maia Maria da Costa Bultoa, BAPT 10 June 1674, Maia) Maria da Costa Bultoa is the daughter of my: (1684 Joao da Costa Loureiro X my 1685 Maria Vultoa.) Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: JR jro...@rogers.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz These are my notes: Maia bap- Bras, bap- Feb 2, 1676, filho de Joao da Costa and Ma Vultoa, pad- Gaspar da Costa Carvalho and Ma de SantiAgo filha de Fco Txra. Maia bap- Ma (Maria), born- Aug 9, 1723, bap- Aug 15, filha de Joseph da Costa Carneyro and Maria Vultoa nats Maya, Pad- Bras da Costa e sua filha Cna de Ptel res lugar de Achada Grande. (this is to prove that Catarina is filha of said Bras da Costa.) On Jul 15, 6:57 pm, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All I am looking at a record from Divino Espirito Santo in Maia and it is the baptism of Braz. I believe this is my 5th great grandfather. I have most all of it but would like another set of eyes to verify what I see. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores Document2.tif 366KViewDownload -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel
Manoel, Perhaps I can answer that. Linda’s great grandfather was Marianno Furtado and was from Ribeira Grande. We have search and have found but have not verified a Marianno born 29 Mar 1868 in Ribeirinha the son of Francisco Pimentel and Maria da Conciecao (Furtado). This Marianno is the brother of my Great Grandfather who went by the name Francisco Pimentel Furtado. We are guessing that if this Linda’s Marianno then on the information she has the Pimentel was dropped and he simply went by Marianno Furtado. We have been searching for his marriage but it was after 1883 and the records are not on film, so until the archives are searched we simply do not know for sure who the parents of Marianno Furtado are. I just in the last week have found another Marianno in Ribeirinha and have not told Linda but he was born 14 Feb 1857 the son of Jose Furtado and Rosa de Jesus. This Marianno would be the younger brother of Maria da Conciecao who married Francisco Pimentel. In either case the most likely age wise is the Marianno born 29 Mar 1868. So if either of these Marianno’s is Linda’s then we are related with a common ancestor of Joao Furtado and Elena Rosa. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:48 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Sorry, Linda. I only know about your maternal line that goes back to João Rebelo and Maria Travassos, our common ancestors. I am just curious about your paternal line because I don´t know yet how it connects to João Furtado. Manoel 2010/7/28 Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net That would mean our 4thgrandfather were brothers so why wouldn't we have the connection? Unless you mean there wa another Joao Furtado?? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:24 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Linda, I think I don´t have your connection to João Furtado married to Elena Rosa on 26 Jan 1804 in Estrela, Ribeira Grande. João was brother of my 4th gfather José Furtado son of Vicente Furtado and Ana Furtado m. on 20 Aug 1781 in Vila Franca do Campo - SMA. Vicente Furtado line leads back to Aleixo Furtado from Ponta Garça born c. 1600, and Ana Furtado line leads back to Margarida Furtado from Vila Franca do Campo born c. 1670. Manoel 2010/7/25 Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net So that would make Miguel de Noia our common ancestor? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mances Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:30 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Very interesting, Linda. I didn´t know that Miguel de Noia married with Ursula Rodrigues in Rosario, Lagoa. Margarida Furtado, my ancestor from Vila Franca, was daughter of Manuel Rodrigues Noia and Maria de Matos m. on 28 Oct 1666 in Vila Franca (S. Pedro). Manuel Rodrigues Noia was son of Simião Correia and Maria Rodrigues and I couldn´t find their marriage record in Vila Franca. One never knows, but Maria Rodrigues probably was daughter of Miguel de Noia and Ursula Rodrigues. There are two Marias baptized in Vila Franca-S. Miguel Arcanjo, daughters of Miguel de Noia and Ursula Rodrigues. One of them was baptized on 13 Jun 1616 and the other one was baptized on 23 Jul 1621. Manoel Cesar Furtado Linda wrote: Manoel, Per John Raposo, I'm connected to Miguel Rodrigues Noia b. 1570 in Vila Franca m. to Ursula Rodrigues on 5.9.1615 in Rosario, Lagoa. I have so many Rodrigues coming down; Sebastiao Rodrigues m. to Maria Manuel, Hyronima Dias and to Catarina Velho. Not sure if they were brothers and/or second marriages. They were from Sao Pedro, Vila Franca. Then there is Antonio Rodrigues around 1700 from Matriz R.G. m. to Brisida Resendes. I'm wondering if any of these are connected to my ggrandfather, Manuel de Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues from Sao Roque, but nothing to prove where he was born or if that was where he originally was from. I have written on my grandparents marriage certificate that we was Manuel de Andrade, but on my aunt's birth certificate it states his full name. He married Maria de Gloria which I found was from Faja de Baixo. I have Eliseu trying to get me a certificate on him and John doing the research so hopefully I can get somewhere on this line. Linda Borges Furtado Norton -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel
I meant to add Fulgencio Pacheco it the god parent of both these Marianno’s Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:26 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Manoel, Perhaps I can answer that. Linda’s great grandfather was Marianno Furtado and was from Ribeira Grande. We have search and have found but have not verified a Marianno born 29 Mar 1868 in Ribeirinha the son of Francisco Pimentel and Maria da Conciecao (Furtado). This Marianno is the brother of my Great Grandfather who went by the name Francisco Pimentel Furtado. We are guessing that if this Linda’s Marianno then on the information she has the Pimentel was dropped and he simply went by Marianno Furtado. We have been searching for his marriage but it was after 1883 and the records are not on film, so until the archives are searched we simply do not know for sure who the parents of Marianno Furtado are. I just in the last week have found another Marianno in Ribeirinha and have not told Linda but he was born 14 Feb 1857 the son of Jose Furtado and Rosa de Jesus. This Marianno would be the younger brother of Maria da Conciecao who married Francisco Pimentel. In either case the most likely age wise is the Marianno born 29 Mar 1868. So if either of these Marianno’s is Linda’s then we are related with a common ancestor of Joao Furtado and Elena Rosa. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:48 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Sorry, Linda. I only know about your maternal line that goes back to João Rebelo and Maria Travassos, our common ancestors. I am just curious about your paternal line because I don´t know yet how it connects to João Furtado. Manoel 2010/7/28 Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net That would mean our 4thgrandfather were brothers so why wouldn't we have the connection? Unless you mean there wa another Joao Furtado?? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:24 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Linda, I think I don´t have your connection to João Furtado married to Elena Rosa on 26 Jan 1804 in Estrela, Ribeira Grande. João was brother of my 4th gfather José Furtado son of Vicente Furtado and Ana Furtado m. on 20 Aug 1781 in Vila Franca do Campo - SMA. Vicente Furtado line leads back to Aleixo Furtado from Ponta Garça born c. 1600, and Ana Furtado line leads back to Margarida Furtado from Vila Franca do Campo born c. 1670. Manoel 2010/7/25 Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net So that would make Miguel de Noia our common ancestor? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mances Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:30 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noia family from Vila Franca do Campo - ilha de São Miguel Very interesting, Linda. I didn´t know that Miguel de Noia married with Ursula Rodrigues in Rosario, Lagoa. Margarida Furtado, my ancestor from Vila Franca, was daughter of Manuel Rodrigues Noia and Maria de Matos m. on 28 Oct 1666 in Vila Franca (S. Pedro). Manuel Rodrigues Noia was son of Simião Correia and Maria Rodrigues and I couldn´t find their marriage record in Vila Franca. One never knows, but Maria Rodrigues probably was daughter of Miguel de Noia and Ursula Rodrigues. There are two Marias baptized in Vila Franca-S. Miguel Arcanjo, daughters of Miguel de Noia and Ursula Rodrigues. One of them was baptized on 13 Jun 1616 and the other one was baptized on 23 Jul 1621. Manoel Cesar Furtado Linda wrote: Manoel, Per John Raposo, I'm connected to Miguel Rodrigues Noia b. 1570 in Vila Franca m. to Ursula Rodrigues on 5.9.1615 in Rosario, Lagoa. I have so many Rodrigues coming down; Sebastiao Rodrigues m. to Maria Manuel, Hyronima Dias and to Catarina Velho. Not sure if they were brothers and/or second marriages. They were from Sao Pedro, Vila Franca. Then there is Antonio Rodrigues around 1700 from Matriz R.G. m. to Brisida Resendes. I'm wondering if any of these are connected to my ggrandfather, Manuel de Andrade de Almeida Rodrigues from Sao Roque, but
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Filha legitima primeira - first legitimate child, or first legitimate daughter?
That's right, the legitimate daughter first one named Maria. If it said secundo then that would mean there was another daughter named Maria that was older and as we have found most likely had died. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Pacheco Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:28 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Filha legitima primeira - first legitimate child, or first legitimate daughter? Oops! I just realized that it says de nome; I'm sure this just means their first named Maria, correct? Sorry about that! I think that solves this mystery, right? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz
Hi Shirley, This is so confusing I think my head is about to explode :-), so the Maria born 10 Jun 1674 is not related to anyone and the Maria Vultoa married 3 Feb 1721 is in your line but not related to Joao de Costa Loureiro and Maria Vultoa? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:34 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz SEE BELOW IN CAPS . AND SEE WAY BELOW ** Shirley - Original Message - From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Hi JR, So the Braz born 2 Feb 1676 is my Braz? And the Maria born 10 June 1674. THIS MARIA IS THE DAUGHTER OF MANOEL CORREA MARVAO X MARIA DA COSTA BULTOA (THIS MARIA IS THE DAUGHTER OF 1684 JOAO DA COSTA LOUREIRO X 1685 MARIA VULTOA is in Shirley's line Married 3 Feb 1721 to Joseph de Costa Canerio. Our common ancestors are Joao de Costa and Maria Vultoa Benevieds. And Braz de Costa married to Margarida Furtado is in Shirley's line. Also is the Antonio de Costa Loureiro the same as the witness in many documents? I DON'T KNOW. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:06 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz We are indeed dealing with two different people. We dealt with this a number of years ago. There is (1) Bras da Costa married to Margarida Furtado and (2) Bras da Costa Loureiro married to Jeromina Pimentel. Shirley relates to both sides. However, with respect to the Bras Costa (Loureiro) line, Shirley is related through the grandparents of Maria Vultoa married to Jose da Costa.Carneiro. Joao Costa Loureiro nat de Achada (also resided in Ribeira Grande) , res Maia and Maria Vultoa Benevides, nat and res Maia they had- Manuel Costa Loureiro cc Vitoria Sousa Joao Costa Loureiro cc Catarina Sousa Maria Costa Bultoa cc Manuel Correia Marvao, **Shirley Bras Costa Loureiro cc Jeronima Pimentel, ** Richard Francisco Pedro Antonio Costa Loureiro cc Maria Costa Pimentel Joseph The other Bras da Costa (Shirley's line) is the son of Antonio Machado ** MY BRAZ DA COSTA IS NOT THE SON OF ANTONIO MACHADO MARIA DA ROE OR ROIA. THIS MARIA WAS BORN IN FURNAS ABOUT 1669. SHE DIED 25 JUNE 1729 IN MAIA. res of Furnas and Maria da Roe or Roia nat of Fenais da Ajuda, res Furnas lugar de Maia, Bras married Margarida Oliveira Furtado and she was born and bap Povoacao where they resided for some time before settling in Furnas. Hope this clears things up. JR On Jul 17, 4:37 pm, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Shirley, We must be dealing with two different people, I have a Braz de Costa Loureiro Married to Heronima de Pimentel on 8 May 1700 at NS Senhora da Anunciacao in Achada Grande. Acording to the record which is in poor condition Braz de Costa Loureiro is the son of (name unreadable) de Costa Loureiro and Maria (name unreadable) and is from NS Divino Espirito Santo in Maia. (see Marriage Achada Book 1690 Frame 16R). I have a Braz son of Joao de Costa and Maria Vultao born 2 Feb 1676 in Maia. (see DES Baptism 2 Feb 1676) I have a Maria daughter of Joao de Costa and Maria Vultao born 10 Jun 1774 in Maia (see DES Baptism 10 Jun 1674) I have a Braz de Costa and his daughter Catrina Pimentel as god parents for Maria born on 9 Aug 1723 Document states they are both from Achada. ( see DES Baptism 9 Aug 1723) Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:57 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Hi Rick: I descend from Braz X Margarida's daughter: 421 Maria Furtada DOB 3 May 1705, Furnas, Sao Miguel DOD 5 Mar 1771, Ponta Garca I have 7 kids for Braz X Margarida, all born in Furnas or in Maia. I don't have a Domingo born 22 Mar 1713/14. Where was he born? I will look again. I have a Joseph DOB 25 Oct 1713 Furnas, Sao Miguel. Shirley DES Baptism 2 Feb 1676 1665 Page 44L.tif 366KViewDownload Marriage Achada Book 1690 Frame 16R.tif 174KViewDownload DES Baptism 10 Jun 1674 Book 1665 page 38L.tif
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz
Now it is starting to make sense. I am missing a generation. Do I understand that Maria born 10 Jun 1674 married Manoel Correa Marvao and her daughter is the Maria Vultoa that married 3 Feb 1721. Rick 603-679-8339 Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:05 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz You're not kidding --- this is totally confusing. Here is what I have: Maria DOB 10 June 1674, Maia* daughter of (1684 Joao da Costa Loureiro X 1685 Maria Vultoa) Maria Vultoa BAPT 20 Oct 1698, Maia is the daughter of (Manoel Correa Marvao X Maria da Costa Bultoa*) *This Maria is the one born 10 June 1674. I might be best if we talked on the phone. What is your phone number? Send it to me privately. I have unlimited long distance calling, so it won't cost me anything to call you. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Hi Shirley, This is so confusing I think my head is about to explode :-), so the Maria born 10 Jun 1674 is not related to anyone and the Maria Vultoa married 3 Feb 1721 is in your line but not related to Joao de Costa Loureiro and Maria Vultoa? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 7:34 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz SEE BELOW IN CAPS . AND SEE WAY BELOW ** Shirley - Original Message - From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Hi JR, So the Braz born 2 Feb 1676 is my Braz? And the Maria born 10 June 1674. THIS MARIA IS THE DAUGHTER OF MANOEL CORREA MARVAO X MARIA DA COSTA BULTOA (THIS MARIA IS THE DAUGHTER OF 1684 JOAO DA COSTA LOUREIRO X 1685 MARIA VULTOA is in Shirley's line Married 3 Feb 1721 to Joseph de Costa Canerio. Our common ancestors are Joao de Costa and Maria Vultoa Benevieds. And Braz de Costa married to Margarida Furtado is in Shirley's line. Also is the Antonio de Costa Loureiro the same as the witness in many documents? I DON'T KNOW. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:06 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz We are indeed dealing with two different people. We dealt with this a number of years ago. There is (1) Bras da Costa married to Margarida Furtado and (2) Bras da Costa Loureiro married to Jeromina Pimentel. Shirley relates to both sides. However, with respect to the Bras Costa (Loureiro) line, Shirley is related through the grandparents of Maria Vultoa married to Jose da Costa.Carneiro. Joao Costa Loureiro nat de Achada (also resided in Ribeira Grande) , res Maia and Maria Vultoa Benevides, nat and res Maia they had- Manuel Costa Loureiro cc Vitoria Sousa Joao Costa Loureiro cc Catarina Sousa Maria Costa Bultoa cc Manuel Correia Marvao, **Shirley Bras Costa Loureiro cc Jeronima Pimentel, ** Richard Francisco Pedro Antonio Costa Loureiro cc Maria Costa Pimentel Joseph The other Bras da Costa (Shirley's line) is the son of Antonio Machado ** MY BRAZ DA COSTA IS NOT THE SON OF ANTONIO MACHADO MARIA DA ROE OR ROIA. THIS MARIA WAS BORN IN FURNAS ABOUT 1669. SHE DIED 25 JUNE 1729 IN MAIA. res of Furnas and Maria da Roe or Roia nat of Fenais da Ajuda, res Furnas lugar de Maia, Bras married Margarida Oliveira Furtado and she was born and bap Povoacao where they resided for some time before settling in Furnas. Hope this clears things up. JR On Jul 17, 4:37 pm, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Shirley, We must be dealing with two different people, I have a Braz de Costa Loureiro Married to Heronima de Pimentel on 8 May 1700 at NS Senhora da Anunciacao in Achada Grande. Acording to the record which is in poor condition Braz de Costa Loureiro is the son of (name unreadable) de Costa Loureiro and Maria (name unreadable) and is from NS Divino Espirito Santo in Maia. (see Marriage Achada Book 1690 Frame 16R). I have a Braz son of Joao de Costa
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Thank You Margaret and JR, I wanted to make sure I had it right. Braz was not a common name but I am convinced they are the right people. I have the marriage record of Braz from Achada and it was in such poor condition I could not read his father’s first name and his mother’s second name. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:32 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Rick, The document agrees with JR's notes: (Translation) on the 2nd day of the month of February year 1676 (02-Feb-1676) I baptized Bras son of João da Costa and of his wife Maria Vultoa. Godparents were Gaspar da Costa Carvalho and Maria de Santiago daugther of Francisco Teixeira and for/by truth I sign it era est supra. Margaret On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:17 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi JR, Did you try Microsoft Office Document Imaging? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:11 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Rick I have most of that info, but I can't open you files. My programs say you compression is unsupported. I have word, Photoshop, nothing works. JR On Jul 15, 6:57 pm, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All I am looking at a record from Divino Espirito Santo in Maia and it is the baptism of Braz. I believe this is my 5th great grandfather. I have most all of it but would like another set of eyes to verify what I see. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores Document2.tif 366KViewDownload -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Hi Shirley, If that is the case then our common ancestor would be Joao da Costa Loureiro and Maria Vultoa. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz I will check on this this coming Wednesday. Can I assume that all of these births were in DES- Maia? I have Joseph da Costa Carneiro Maria Vultoa married 3 Feb 1721, in Maia. Maria Vultoa is the daughter of (Manoel Correa Marvao from Maia Maria da Costa Bultoa, BAPT 10 June 1674, Maia) Maria da Costa Bultoa is the daughter of my: (1684 Joao da Costa Loureiro X my 1685 Maria Vultoa.) Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: JR jro...@rogers.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz These are my notes: Maia bap- Bras, bap- Feb 2, 1676, filho de Joao da Costa and Ma Vultoa, pad- Gaspar da Costa Carvalho and Ma de SantiAgo filha de Fco Txra. Maia bap- Ma (Maria), born- Aug 9, 1723, bap- Aug 15, filha de Joseph da Costa Carneyro and Maria Vultoa nats Maya, Pad- Bras da Costa e sua filha Cna de Ptel res lugar de Achada Grande. (this is to prove that Catarina is filha of said Bras da Costa.) On Jul 15, 6:57 pm, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All I am looking at a record from Divino Espirito Santo in Maia and it is the baptism of Braz. I believe this is my 5th great grandfather. I have most all of it but would like another set of eyes to verify what I see. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores Document2.tif 366KViewDownload -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel
Hi Linda Yes that is right. Their daughter Isabel Resende married Sebastiao Michado 28 Sep 1699 in Estrela. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:11 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel Manuel Soares Resende was married to Anna Marques b. abt. 1659 my 20th grandmother on my father's paternal side. Would that be right Rick? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mances Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:51 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel Hi Eliseu, I have Marques from Ribeira Grande and Lagoa. See below. Manoel Cesar Furtado Ahnentafel Chart for Beatriz Nunes [Marques] First Generation 1. Beatriz Nunes . Beatriz married Miguel Rodrigues son of Manuel Viegas and Maria Rodrigues on 29 Jun 1656 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. Second Generation 2. Simão Marques was born in morador Matriz-Ribeira Grande. He died before 1656. He married Isabel Nunes on 26 Apr 1620 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 3. Isabel Nunes was born in moradora Matriz-Ribeira Grande. She died before 1656. Third Generation 4. Domingos Marques was born in morador Ribeira Grande. He married Maria Jorge. 5. Maria Jorge was born in moradora Ribeira Grande. 6. Manuel Nunes was born in morador Ribeira Grande. He married Beatriz Travassos. 7. Beatriz Travassos was born in moradora Ribeira Grande. She died before 1612. Fourth Generation 14. Fernão Pires do Quental .Fernão married Beatriz Velho. 15. Beatriz Velho . ___ Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Marques First Generation 1. Manuel Marques was born in Lagoa - NS Rosario. Manuel married Maria da Costa daughter of Manuel da Costa de Sampaio? and Ana da Costa on 6 Apr 1716 in São Roque. Maria was born in São Roque. Second Generation 2. Antonio Pacheco was born in Lagoa - NS Rosario. He married Barbara Marques on 31 Mar 1689 in Lagoa - NS Rosario. 3. Barbara Marques was born in Lagoa - NS Rosario. Third Generation 4. Domingos Roiz was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Maria Pacheco on 27 Dec 1654 in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 5. Maria Pacheco was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 6. Francisco Fragoso was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Barbara Marques on 12 Jun 1662 in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 7. Barbara Marques was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. Fourth Generation 8. Aleixo Roiz (ausente) was born in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. He married Isabel Roiz. 9. Isabel Roiz was born in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 10. Roque Alves was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Maria Pacheco on 29 Apr 1624 in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 11. Maria Pacheco was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 12. Francisco Pereira was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Ana Fragoso on 5 Aug 1632 in Lagoa - Matriz. 13. Ana Fragoso was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 14. Baltazar de Morais was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Maria Marques. 15. Maria Marques was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. Fifth Generation 20. Simão Álvares was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Guiomar Lopes. 21. Guiomar Lopes was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 22. Domingos Gonçalves .Domingos married Maria Pacheco on 27 Sep 1587 in Lagoa - Matriz. 23. Maria Pacheco was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 24. Manuel Pereira was born in Lagoa - Matriz. He married Ana Fernandes. 25. Ana Fernandes was born in Lagoa - Matriz. 26. Dionísio Fragoso .Dionísio married Catarina de Revoredo on 20 Sep 1593 in Lagoa - Matriz. 27. Catarina de Revoredo was born in Lagoa - Matriz. _ - Original Message - From: Eliseu Manuel mailto:eliseuman...@sapo.pt Pacheco da Silva To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel Hi, If you have MARQUES (anywhere in S. Miguel Island) in your research please consider changing information with me. Tank you eliseu -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log
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Good so far Rosemarie, I also see 2 Feb 1676 and Braz son of Joao da Costa. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Braz Boy Rick it's pretty hard to read even enlarged. I think it's 2 Feb 1676? Bras son of Joao da Costa and his wife Maria Vas something, looks like an L to begin the name but really can read it! Rosemarie - Original Message - From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Braz Hi All I am looking at a record from Divino Espirito Santo in Maia and it is the baptism of Braz. I believe this is my 5th great grandfather. I have most all of it but would like another set of eyes to verify what I see. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Hi JR, Did you try Microsoft Office Document Imaging? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:11 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism of Braz Rick I have most of that info, but I can't open you files. My programs say you compression is unsupported. I have word, Photoshop, nothing works. JR On Jul 15, 6:57 pm, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All I am looking at a record from Divino Espirito Santo in Maia and it is the baptism of Braz. I believe this is my 5th great grandfather. I have most all of it but would like another set of eyes to verify what I see. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores Document2.tif 366KViewDownload -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel
Digo 28 Sep 1699 in NS Anunciacao, Achada Grande Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:34 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel Hi Linda Yes that is right. Their daughter Isabel Resende married Sebastiao Michado 28 Sep 1699 in Estrela. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:11 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel Manuel Soares Resende was married to Anna Marques b. abt. 1659 my 20th grandmother on my father's paternal side. Would that be right Rick? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mances Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:51 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MARQUES from S. Miguel Hi Eliseu, I have Marques from Ribeira Grande and Lagoa. See below. Manoel Cesar Furtado Ahnentafel Chart for Beatriz Nunes [Marques] First Generation 1. Beatriz Nunes . Beatriz married Miguel Rodrigues son of Manuel Viegas and Maria Rodrigues on 29 Jun 1656 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. Second Generation 2. Simão Marques was born in morador Matriz-Ribeira Grande. He died before 1656. He married Isabel Nunes on 26 Apr 1620 in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 3. Isabel Nunes was born in moradora Matriz-Ribeira Grande. She died before 1656. Third Generation 4. Domingos Marques was born in morador Ribeira Grande. He married Maria Jorge. 5. Maria Jorge was born in moradora Ribeira Grande. 6. Manuel Nunes was born in morador Ribeira Grande. He married Beatriz Travassos. 7. Beatriz Travassos was born in moradora Ribeira Grande. She died before 1612. Fourth Generation 14. Fernão Pires do Quental .Fernão married Beatriz Velho. 15. Beatriz Velho . ___ Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel Marques First Generation 1. Manuel Marques was born in Lagoa - NS Rosario. Manuel married Maria da Costa daughter of Manuel da Costa de Sampaio? and Ana da Costa on 6 Apr 1716 in São Roque. Maria was born in São Roque. Second Generation 2. Antonio Pacheco was born in Lagoa - NS Rosario. He married Barbara Marques on 31 Mar 1689 in Lagoa - NS Rosario. 3. Barbara Marques was born in Lagoa - NS Rosario. Third Generation 4. Domingos Roiz was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Maria Pacheco on 27 Dec 1654 in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 5. Maria Pacheco was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 6. Francisco Fragoso was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Barbara Marques on 12 Jun 1662 in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 7. Barbara Marques was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. Fourth Generation 8. Aleixo Roiz (ausente) was born in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. He married Isabel Roiz. 9. Isabel Roiz was born in Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 10. Roque Alves was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Maria Pacheco on 29 Apr 1624 in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 11. Maria Pacheco was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 12. Francisco Pereira was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Ana Fragoso on 5 Aug 1632 in Lagoa - Matriz. 13. Ana Fragoso was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 14. Baltazar de Morais was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Maria Marques. 15. Maria Marques was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. Fifth Generation 20. Simão Álvares was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. He married Guiomar Lopes. 21. Guiomar Lopes was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 22. Domingos Gonçalves .Domingos married Maria Pacheco on 27 Sep 1587 in Lagoa - Matriz. 23. Maria Pacheco was born in Lagoa - N. S. do Rosário. 24. Manuel Pereira was born in Lagoa - Matriz. He married Ana Fernandes. 25. Ana Fernandes was born in Lagoa - Matriz. 26. Dionísio Fragoso .Dionísio married Catarina de Revoredo on 20 Sep 1593 in Lagoa - Matriz. 27. Catarina de Revoredo was born in Lagoa - Matriz. _ - Original Message - From: Eliseu Manuel mailto:eliseuman...@sapo.pt Pacheco da Silva To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent:
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: negrete
Hi All My father's maternal line was tested for Mtdna and the results came back with haplogroup L2 which is early African in origins. I have only been able to trace the line to 1711 so far. I suspect it is mostly Moorish but only research will tell. I need to work some more on that line. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:19 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: negrete Whether we descend directly from known slaves or not (many white, not black), we all likely have some black blood (whatever that is), not to mention Moorish, Spanish, Celtic, Roman and so on. It is diversity that has been our strength and that has enabled us to survive. This is true of all living things. JR On Jul 13, 12:45 pm, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Just as an aside; I am Azorean Portuguese on both sides of my family. From what I have found going back to the early 1800's, late 1700's, I have no black blood. Back in the day when Afro wigs were in style, I wore them and I would tan so dark that I was mistaken for a black person by other black people. Perhaps that is the case for the record in question Sam in CA -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Sereque Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:38 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] negrete A girlfriend's son-in-law is quite dark, almost dark brown. He isn't a black but a dark Portuguese with curly hair to die for. ;-) - Shirl - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Agua de Pau - word negrete
Hi Margaret, Just a guess at what it means, but could it be saying that Domingo Fagundes was a former black slave? The words that come closest in my dictionary refer to blacks and salves. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:17 AM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Agua de Pau - word negrete Sorry, resending attachment Hello All, Would someone please let me know if they're familiar with the word written after Fagundes. I am reading it as negrete and don't know what it might mean? Thank you in advance. Margaret -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the Grooms Middle Name?
Hi Margaret, It could be Souza, the z is not written very well. I lean towards Maria for the mothers name; Margarida and Marianna have too many letters for the space it is written in. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:46 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the Grooms Middle Name? Hi Rick, The way I read it is SOUZA. Re the mother's name it is somewhat unreadable and it could be Maria, Margarida or Marianna? Margaret On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:55 AM, ehsilve...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have a Maria G Teves b, abt 1884 in the Azores and an Eileen Teves b. 1921 in New Bedford. So, Teves is a name used. But, I can't figure out the other Sida name at all. Emil Silveira - Original Message - From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 09:23:38 - (UTC) Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the Grooms Middle Name? Hi All, I am looking at a record of a marriage in 1833. I make the grooms name as Joao Sida? Silva but that just does not seem right any ideas? Also the groom's mothers name I make out as Margarida Teves or Maria da Teves. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading (2) Rosario, Lagoa Marriage Records
Hi Margaret, May be if you are lucky you could find a marriage of a sibling. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:27 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading (2) Rosario, Lagoa Marriage Records Hi Hermano, Your 1/2 cent is worth a lot to me, thank you. Ferreiro as profession makes sense and the rest is great input that I will use to go back and re-read it. My problem is that there are no baptismal records available which would help getting the names right. Thank you. Margaret. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Margaret I don't think that I can help you very much with the frist one, however comparing script with the rest of the entry I wonder if it could be his profession rather than his name. Second line, word 3, last two characters. Then first two characters of fourth line, word 3; sixth line, word 7 and seventh line, words 4 and six. The closest that I can come up with is then Manuel Pacheco ferreiro (frro). I sure could not make it out to be Travassos. On the secon one, his father would be Aleyxos (Aleixo) Rodrigues Payva (Paiva) and his mother looks to be very much like Sezilia (Cecilia, what looks like a z could very well be a C) Pereira, from Maya (Maia). as for the rest you are absolutely right. There is defenitely information missing. This is really going out on a limb but I wonder if Ana Fernandes' mother was another Ana Fernandes and her father Jose Fernandes (words between the fifth and sixth lines at left). And that is my 1/2 cent worth, hope it does not add to the confusion. Hermano _ Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:44:45 -0400 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading (2) Rosario, Lagoa Marriage Records From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Good day to All, I'm experiencing difficulty in reading my 5 6 ggfa's marriage records; 1) Marriage record for Braz de Paiva and Maria da Costa dated 24-Oct-1711. Could someone take a look and let me know what is Maria's father last name? It is short form. He is Manuel Pacheco TrVo? would it be Travassos or? 2) Marriage record for Manuel de Paiva and Ana Frs (Fernandes?) dated 29-Aug-1667 It says he's the son of Aleyros Rodrigues de Payva, deceased and of ? with Ana Frs (Fernandes?) and next to it I'm reading defunta/deceased? it doesn't make sense. Can someone help please. Thank you! Margaret -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Brides name?
Thank You Margaret, That is not a very common name as a matter of fact it is the first time I have seen that. The temp is now pushing 101. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 1:06 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Brides name? Hi Rick, It says Maria da Paicham or Paichão current form (Passion in Eng) Margaret On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:28 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, Looking at this record I want to say the brides name is “Maria Pacheca” but it just does not look right. It is the record on the left. Thanks from Epping, NH where it is a hot 99 degrees out today. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended!
Hi Nancy, Every one caries the Mt-DNA from their mother but only daughters can pass it on. Your Uncle carries the MT-DNA from his mother (Your Grandmother). You can test him for MT- DNA only. Any MT-DNA test will be fine, there are no special tests for male for female testing of MT-DNA it is the same test. I do not think the MT-DNA test is on sale but the web site says it is $149 for the MT-DNA plus test (tests HVR1 HVR2). Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:34 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Hi Rick, This is what I'm trying to figure out. I figured my Uncle Johns Y-DNA will be the same as my brothers but it's my Uncles MT-DNA that I want so I can have my paternal grandmothers MT-DNA. But I don't see a test here for MT-DNA ONLY for a male...am I missing something? My grandmother, Maria de Castro Cardoza Baptista had only 2 sons and my Dad is deceased and my Uncles 86 so I thought I'd better test it while I can. I'd much rather pay for only his MT-DNA if possible. Is it? The only other thing would be that this is a Y-37I had Y-37 done on my brother and if this was Y-67 with my-dna it would really give me additional info but it isn't! I appreciate all feedback since I only have til midnight to get this order submitted unless I wait til Dec. Thanks for the help, Nancy Jean _ From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:48:38 -0400 Hi Nancy, I see no need to test your uncle's Y-DNA as it should be the same as your brothers. By testing your uncles Mt-DNA you will get your grandmothers line DNA. This is more important especially if you have no Aunts or daughters of your aunts. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:52 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Hi Cheri, Before I place my order I want to be sure that I know what I'm doing. I've had my MTDNA tested which gives my mothers female line.I've had my brothers YDNA tested which gives my fathers male line.since my father is deceased I've asked his brother, my 86 yr old uncle to take the test.if I order the Y-DNA 37 with mtDNA, will I find out my paternal grandmothers female line DNA? Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista _ From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:02:49 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! To: Azores@googlegroups.com The sale has now been extended through June 30th 11:59pm CDT. Cheri On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: From Family Tree DNA: Y-DNA 37 markers is on sale for $119 (regularly $149) Y-DNA 67 markers is on sale for $199 (regularly $239) Y-DNA 37 + mtDNA (basic) is on sale for $159 (regularly $238) You need to be a male to take the above DNA tests. Order here to get the sale price: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands The sale is for any kit ordered through Family Tree DNA, so if you are researching your Cunningham line and had someone to take the DNA test, yes, the sale price would apply to him too. If you need to know how to find another project, just go to www.ftdna.com http://www.ftdna.com/ and type your surname into the search field on the right. Sale ends Friday, June 25th at 11:59 pm CDT. Cheri Mello Rick Pimentel Family Tree DNA Administrators Azores Project -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 busy. -- To unsubscribe from this group,
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sometimes you get lucky
Nice work Celeste. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of celeste perry Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:05 PM To: Azores list Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sometimes you get lucky I have just experienced every genealogist's wildest dream. I met Mary last Saturday while going on a walk in Hayward, CA that focused on the Portuguese that lived here during the 1800-early 1900's. Of course, one comment led to another and she told me she would like to find information about her paternal grandfather. She told me his name, Joseph Rodrigues Costa and said she thought he was born in Pico. His wife's name was Lucy Maciel. I had to leave the walk early and did not speak to her again. On Monday, I tracked her down and we spent a little time (she was at work) trying to find her grandfather on the Pico website. No luck. Since Mary was very new to research, Tuesday, I stopped by and gave her the outline for a time-line that I use when gathering information about someone. I asked Mary if it was possible that her grandfather had been a member of one of the Portuguese Fraternal societies. She responded, like the UPPEC? I explained that the UPPEC was originally for women so he would not have been a member of that organization/lodge. When I arrived home, I thought about the possibility that not Joseph but Lucy may have been a member of the UPPEC. I looked her up in the death records and BINGO, not only was she there, (of course born in Portugal,) however, her parents names were listed and also her date of birth. I took the chance that Lucy may have been born on the island of Pico. Back to the Pico website: Not only did I find her and 8 generations of her mother's ancestors; 7 generations of her father's ancestors AND her husband, (they were married in Pico) Jose Rodrigues da Costa's 7 generations of ancestors. The point of all of this is that sometimes, the planets are all lined up; the moon is in the right place, and you just get so lucky it gives you the courage to keep looking when you hit brick walls. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
I Agree with Cheri, They are from Martz in Horta (Santissimo Salvador). Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:00 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help They are from the Matriz in Horta on Faial. I think the Matriz in Horta is Santisssimo Salvador. From your FHC you'd want films 1330085 through 1330089. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended!
Hi Nancy, I see no need to test your uncle's Y-DNA as it should be the same as your brothers. By testing your uncles Mt-DNA you will get your grandmothers line DNA. This is more important especially if you have no Aunts or daughters of your aunts. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:52 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Hi Cheri, Before I place my order I want to be sure that I know what I'm doing. I've had my MTDNA tested which gives my mothers female line.I've had my brothers YDNA tested which gives my fathers male line.since my father is deceased I've asked his brother, my 86 yr old uncle to take the test.if I order the Y-DNA 37 with mtDNA, will I find out my paternal grandmothers female line DNA? Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista _ From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:02:49 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! To: Azores@googlegroups.com The sale has now been extended through June 30th 11:59pm CDT. Cheri On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: From Family Tree DNA: Y-DNA 37 markers is on sale for $119 (regularly $149) Y-DNA 67 markers is on sale for $199 (regularly $239) Y-DNA 37 + mtDNA (basic) is on sale for $159 (regularly $238) You need to be a male to take the above DNA tests. Order here to get the sale price: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands The sale is for any kit ordered through Family Tree DNA, so if you are researching your Cunningham line and had someone to take the DNA test, yes, the sale price would apply to him too. If you need to know how to find another project, just go to www.ftdna.com http://www.ftdna.com/ and type your surname into the search field on the right. Sale ends Friday, June 25th at 11:59 pm CDT. Cheri Mello Rick Pimentel Family Tree DNA Administrators Azores Project -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization
Hi Jesse, It would depend on what you want to do with the data base. If I were doing a tree to show my family then I use actual names as they were spelled at the time. If I were doing a searchable data base (which I am) then I standardize spelling with some exceptions. A good example is the one you give I treat Helena and Elena separately but others like Mello and Melo are all spelled Mello. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Pacheco Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:04 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization Hi I was wondering if there was a general consensus on what to do with names with variations/different spellings (this is almost all of them!). For example, I have a Helena in my tree and I also have an Elena. I know these are technically the same name but the spellings have been different. Do these spellings reflect the priest who wrote the records or how the people in question actually wanted their name spelled? If it is all based on the priest I will start adopting standardized spellings for the sake of organization. Just looking for some opinions/information on this! Thanks! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization
Cheri is right about which program you use. When I do a file/data base and standardize names I create a fact recording exactly how the name was written in the record. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:10 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization Hi Jesse, I guess it depends. Depending on your genealogy program, you might be able to store one as a main name and the other as a nickname and have both names come up. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins
Hi Nancy That is the way I understand it also. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Couto Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:05 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins I could be wrong, but I think that the genetic factor is applicable only to the mother of fraternal twins. That is, the mother has to release two eggs at approximately the same time. No matter how high the father's sperm count is, there have to be two eggs. For identical twins, of course, there is a single egg that divides. I don't know anything about medicine, but when I was in high school (many, many years ago) I wrote a term paper on multiple births for my biology class. I had twin cousins, and I was fascinated with the subject. If anyone in the group has a medical background, please feel free to confirm or correct. Nancy _ From: carab...@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:48:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins To: azores@googlegroups.com My gg grandfather, Thomaz Jose da Silveira was a twin. He his brother, Domingo were baptized in the Calheta do Nesquim parish on Pico, on 20 July 1866. He had a grandson that fathered twins, a boy a girl, in 1938, in Washington, D.C. Sherry -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Twins
Hi All Just a general discussion but has any study been done on the frequency of twins in the Acores? In my own lines in the past 50 years I can come up with three sets of twins. In my research in the parish of Santissimo Salvador (1836-1883) there seems to be a couple sets of twins born each year. I have not counted up the exact number but the frequency seems to be much greater than the general population. I remember seeing a program a few months ago about a village in Brazil where there seemed to be an unusually high number of twins. The conclusion of the program was that it was genetic. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy - Pimentel/Pementel from St. Michaels
Have you been able to find them in the 1910 1920 US Census? It may give you some more information. Looking at the childrens dates I would start with the 1920 Census. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dwood...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:39 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy - Pimentel/Pementel from St. Michaels Looking for my grandmother's family from St. Michael's. Her father was August Furtado Pimentel (also spelled Pementel and Pemantell within the same family members here in US) born in St. Michael's approx. 1875. His wife was Angelina DasMerces Estrella born about 1881. They left from San Miguel Portugal in early 1900's and arrived in Bermuda and then onto New York and finally settled in Jamestown, Rhode Island. Their children were John approx. 1899, Mary approx. 1901, Ruben approx. 1903, Manuel approx. 1905 all born in St. Michaels and Mary D'Estrella or Mary Fatado approx. 1906 born in Bermuda, Frank 12/16/1907 in Bermuda, Lillian Esther or Estrella 7/11/1909 in Bermuda and Lucy Rose approx. 1911, Irene approx. 1913, James Ernest 2/15/1915, Albert 3/25/1917 and William August 5/19/1918 born in Jamestown, RI. Any information you could forward would be helpful. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy - Pimentel/Pementel from St.Michaels
Hi Linda I don't believe this is related to our family. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy - Pimentel/Pementel from St.Michaels Rick, I didn't see August Furtado Pimentel under Francisco's children could we have missed one child? Or could the eldest, Margarida Augusta had a child out of wedlock. Or maybe Maria de Jesus and Francisco Pimentel had siblings that were married and had a son August Furtado Pimentel? It could be a reach, but you never know, right? Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 1:06 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy - Pimentel/Pementel from St.Michaels Have you been able to find them in the 1910 1920 US Census? It may give you some more information. Looking at the childrens dates I would start with the 1920 Census. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dwood...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 5:39 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy - Pimentel/Pementel from St. Michaels Looking for my grandmother's family from St. Michael's. Her father was August Furtado Pimentel (also spelled Pementel and Pemantell within the same family members here in US) born in St. Michael's approx. 1875. His wife was Angelina DasMerces Estrella born about 1881. They left from San Miguel Portugal in early 1900's and arrived in Bermuda and then onto New York and finally settled in Jamestown, Rhode Island. Their children were John approx. 1899, Mary approx. 1901, Ruben approx. 1903, Manuel approx. 1905 all born in St. Michaels and Mary D'Estrella or Mary Fatado approx. 1906 born in Bermuda, Frank 12/16/1907 in Bermuda, Lillian Esther or Estrella 7/11/1909 in Bermuda and Lucy Rose approx. 1911, Irene approx. 1913, James Ernest 2/15/1915, Albert 3/25/1917 and William August 5/19/1918 born in Jamestown, RI. Any information you could forward would be helpful. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral and Travassos Country CLUB -
Hi Linda, Right my connection is on my grandmother’s side her family was from Bretanha. Right now I have no connection to the club through the Pimentel\Furtado line, (Vincente Furtado). Rick. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:55 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net; man...@netsite.com.br Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral and Travassos Country CLUB - Manoel and Rick, Rick, you and I are related on the Furtado Pimental side and you said this is on your mother's side so I'm not connected. Though Manoel and I are related on Rita de Jesus/Jose Furtado side I thought we are all on that same line? I'm confused. Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mances Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 3:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RES: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral and Travassos Country CLUB - Hi Iris, I’m in the club, too : Manoel Cesar Furtado My ancestry goes like this: Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos = D. Violante Velho Cabral / Pedro Velho de Travassos = N? – 1st wife / Gonçalo Velho Cabral = Catarina Álvares de Benevides / Beatriz Velho = Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro (o Mouro Velho) / Beatriz Velho = Fernão Pires do Quental / Bárbara Travassos = N? / Maria Travassos = José Rebelo / Ana Cabral = Baltazar Manuel / Sebastião Álvares = Maria Lopes / André Álvares = Sebastiana de Matos / José de Matos = Francisca Vieira / Narciso Vieira = Maria de São José / Rita de Jesus = José Furtado [de Sousa] - (2nd marriage) / Francisco Furtado = Maria da Luz / Francisco Furtado = Maria Tavares de Medeiros - My great grandparents that emmigrate from S. Miguel to Brazil in 1891 Manoel Cesar Furtado (Brasil- Junho de 2010) _ De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Iris Bilodeau Enviada em: sábado, 5 de junho de 2010 10:52 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral and Travassos Country CLUB - There are 10 people in The Cabral and Travassos Country Club. Iris Cabral Bilodeau - Me Nancy Jean Baptiste Celeste Perry Eileen Leite George Pacheco Judi Phillips Thomas Decosta Richard Francis Pimental Diana Silva Eliseu da Silva Please let me know if I left someone out. Iris -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada
Hi Linda This is on my grandmother’s side we are related on my Grandfather’s side. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:13 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada Since I'm related to you and Rick on my Furtado's side, is there a connection to Cabral and/or Travassos or is that another side? Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pacheco Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:42 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada Dona Violante Velho Cabral who is married to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos, - is the 14th great grandmother of George Pacheco-. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:29 PM, celeste perry ccgran...@yahoo.com wrote: And probably several more ways!!! Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 6/1/10, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 2:39 PM So Celeste, I'm descended from Grimanesa's older brother, Duarte Nunes Velhohe died in 1554. This means we're connected on at least 2 of our lines since we both have the Joao Leonardes connection in Sao Jorge..double cousins! Nancy Jean _ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:15:37 -0700 From: ccgran...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores@googlegroups.com I descend from Nuno Velho Cabral's daughter, GRIMANESA AFONSO MELO. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 6/1/10, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:23 PM Hi Iris, I thought I remembered that you had made mention of being her descendant in the past. I'm descended from Pero's brother, her son Nuno Velho Cabral and Africa Anes...so, you're my earliest cousin that I know of to date,(most of the others are less than 500 years ago). However, I've been reading quite a bit about Dom Afonso lll since learning he's my grandfather in eons pastI'm actually more intrigued by his mistress, Madragana from whom we descendin one of the things I read it stated that they have an estimated 5000 descendants so I guess they'll be more cousins discovered at some point in time! Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptista researching: Santa Maria: Cabral, Moreira, Andrade Pico: Peixoto, de Castro, Cardosa, Furtado Sao Jorge: de Lemos, da Silveira, Baptista, Victorino de Bettencourt, Oliveira, Vieira, da Sousa Pereira _ Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:29:22 -0700 From: irisca...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Nancy Jean! Yes I do descend from Violante Velho Cabral through her son Pero. How cool to find yet another cousin. Iris Cabral Bilodeau --- On Mon, 5/31/10, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:21 AM Hi Iris, Do I remember correctly that one time you mentioned being descended from Violente Velho Cabral? If so then we are also cousins way back there. Regards, Nancy Jean _ Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:21:52 -0700 From: irisca...@yahoo.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores@googlegroups.com Obrigada Rosemarie for turning me on to Azores Group. And Obrigada Cheri for starting the site. I have met two new cousins, Thomas Decosta and John Sousa. Thomas and family are going to Sao Miguel next June 2011 with me and other cousins. We're all anxious to visit the island of our ancestors. Have a nice weekend, Iris Cabral Bilodeau -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral and Travassos Country CLUB -
D. Violante Velho Cabrel married to Goncalves de Travassos is the 16th greatgrandmother of Richard Francis Pimentel. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:24 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral and Travassos Country CLUB - Joining the “club”: D. Violante Velho Cabral married to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos, is the 17th greatgrandmother of Eliseu Pacheco da Silva. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada
Below is a line from my great grandfather thanks to John Miranda Raposo. I guess you can add me into the cousin mix. Rick Diogo Gonsalves Travassos x Violante Velho Cabral Pedro Velho Cabral and his 1st wife Violante Velho x João Alvares Homem do Olho Rui Velho de Travassos x Guiomar de Teves Rui Velho Ytavassos x Ana de Aguiar Domingas de Teves x Balrazar Simões Clara da Fonseca x Sebastião Álvares Benevides Maria Travassos x José da Costa Francisco da Costa Travassos x Ana Viveiros António Viveiros Travassos x Maria de Araújo Vasconcelos José de Viveiros Miranda x Gertrudes dos Anjos José de Viveiros Miranda x Joana Maria da Estrela Maria Joaquina x José Oliveira Ana Joaquina x Jacinto Botelho Raposo Joaquina de Jesus x Jacinto Joaquim Carvalho Manuel Joaquim Carvalho Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:40 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada So Celeste, I'm descended from Grimanesa's older brother, Duarte Nunes Velhohe died in 1554. This means we're connected on at least 2 of our lines since we both have the Joao Leonardes connection in Sao Jorge..double cousins! Nancy Jean _ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:15:37 -0700 From: ccgran...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores@googlegroups.com I descend from Nuno Velho Cabral's daughter, GRIMANESA AFONSO MELO. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 6/1/10, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:23 PM Hi Iris, I thought I remembered that you had made mention of being her descendant in the past. I'm descended from Pero's brother, her son Nuno Velho Cabral and Africa Anes...so, you're my earliest cousin that I know of to date,(most of the others are less than 500 years ago). However, I've been reading quite a bit about Dom Afonso lll since learning he's my grandfather in eons pastI'm actually more intrigued by his mistress, Madragana from whom we descendin one of the things I read it stated that they have an estimated 5000 descendants so I guess they'll be more cousins discovered at some point in time! Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptista researching: Santa Maria: Cabral, Moreira, Andrade Pico: Peixoto, de Castro, Cardosa, Furtado Sao Jorge: de Lemos, da Silveira, Baptista, Victorino de Bettencourt, Oliveira, Vieira, da Sousa Pereira _ Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:29:22 -0700 From: irisca...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Nancy Jean! Yes I do descend from Violante Velho Cabral through her son Pero. How cool to find yet another cousin. Iris Cabral Bilodeau --- On Mon, 5/31/10, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 9:21 AM Hi Iris, Do I remember correctly that one time you mentioned being descended from Violente Velho Cabral? If so then we are also cousins way back there. Regards, Nancy Jean _ Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:21:52 -0700 From: irisca...@yahoo.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obrigada To: azores@googlegroups.com Obrigada Rosemarie for turning me on to Azores Group. And Obrigada Cheri for starting the site. I have met two new cousins, Thomas Decosta and John Sousa. Thomas and family are going to Sao Miguel next June 2011 with me and other cousins. We're all anxious to visit the island of our ancestors. Have a nice weekend, Iris Cabral Bilodeau -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Quiet
It is quiet. A lot is going on in late May and June. School graduations, the first nice days of summer, family gatherings all seem to draw us away from the computer for a while. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pacheco Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:01 AM To: Azores-Gen Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Quiet Its is so quite everybody probaby either are enjoying the good weather or spending their time at the Espoirito Santo Feasts. George -- http://www.geocities.com/bretanha1954/ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norma Jean Perry/Pereira Baptiste
Hi Nancy, My condolences on the loss of your most loved mother. It is a joyful thought to know she died with Jesus in her heart and is now with the saints in heaven. As a choir member I frequently sing at funerals and we are sometimes given a list of what hymns to sing as requested by the family. Occasionally we get a list requested by the deceased. To have a funeral of over 300 attendees is a tribute to your mother's care and love for others. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:24 PM To: azores group Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norma Jean Perry/Pereira Baptiste Greetings Group, My Mother, Norma Jean Perry Baptiste, died last Thursday after a battle with cancer. She was 81 years old. She was a very good mother and we will all miss her humor and strong opinions! She was a descendant of Sao Jorge people on both sides with the exception of a Pico grandmother. Her family came from many states to be with her.she always loved it when we all gathered together. She was delighted with the genealogy discoveries I've been able to share with her and said she couldn't wait to tell my Dad about the newest discovery that George Pacheco found when she got to heaven! (I recommend George if you want to hire a researcher)(Dad's grandmother, Caterina Cabral, from Santa Maria, goes back to Dom Afonso lll). She was a people person and would have loved her funeral..over 300 people there and the processional was so long you couldn't see the end. She completely organized her funeral down to the last detail as befitting an executive secretary! Nancy Jean Baptista _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] About my absence--my Dad passed away
Hi Melody, Sorry to hear of your father's passing. It sound like you were very close to him and you will miss him a lot. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of IslandRoutes Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:21 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] About my absence--my Dad passed away Hi all, I wanted to let everyone know that my Dad passed away May 4th. While he had had ups and downs over the last year with breathing problems, it was completely unexpected. He went into the hospital for his emphysema, was about to be released, then the next day he began showing different symptoms. It turned out that his colon was bad. He died 3 days after emergency surgery. My Dad and I were very close. When I couldn't work anymore he allowed me to live in his house without question. As he aged, I began taking over control of the household and then his medical needs. When he was put on oxygen last year, I helped him learn the equipment and remembered the things that were too much for him to deal with. I am not with the program right now. I am sort of checking the group and the IslandRoutes (Portuguese Hawaiian google group). Cheri is normally in charge of this group, but will also keep an eye on the other until I get my brains together. I appreciate everyone's patience as I slowly get back into the swing of things. Thanks! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Mothers Day Surprise
What a great day Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:10 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A Mothers Day Surprise When I walked in the door at Mom's on Mothers Day I found her in a bit of a tizzy. She is 92 and lives alone (with the help of a lady who comes in for a few hours daily). Mom thought someone had done something (to put it charitably) with one of her jewelry boxes. After searching around a little I located the missing box and we looked over the contents and she decided that everything was there. We both decided that it wasn't the monetary value of the items so much as the sentimental value that would have been the loss if they had turned up missing. (Not to mention the thought that someone might have taken them.) We were very happy that all was well, but this prompted her to have me go through her trunk of old stuff. This is of note for this group-- you'll see! We found my grandmother's wedding dress that had been cut up and used to make Mom's first communion dress. (My grandmother is the one whose parents were from the Azores.) Also, my grandmother had kept HER mother's purse just as it was the day she died. Great grandmother was the one from the Azores. She had died suddenly from a heart attach just days after my mom's wedding--in fact Mom and Dad had come back early from their honeymoon because of this. The purse contained a gold compact of rouge, a pocket knife, a sweepstakes ticket and, in the bottom, grains of rice from the wedding. We have retained the tradition in our family of keeping the purse or wallet of someone who died. It is a glimpse into their personality for future generations. I never knew my great grandmother but feel closer to her by seeing what she kept in her purse. The prize of the day, however, was the photo album. I could remember seeing an album of studio portraits Portuguese people (presumably relatives or friends) but had not seen it since becoming interested in my Azorean roots. Here were labeled pictures of cousins that I had recently tracked down on the census! Mom gave me the album for safe keeping and research. Now I can compare the picture of my great grandmother's sister with unlabeled pictures in another photo album! I thought I would never know what these family members looked like! Mom and I both had a wonderful Mothers Day! Happy hunting all... Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: need eyes, too
To further clarify a prohibited time Lent (the forty days before Easter) would be a prohibited time also I believe the 4 weeks prior to Christmas. Normally Weddings did not take place on Sundays in the Catholic Church. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:40 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: need eyes, too They did not receive the blessings because it was at a time that was prohibited. This is common enough and usually means they are marrying or asking for the blessing at a prohibited religious time. The rest is simply the regular reference to the record as above. JR On Apr 19, 1:24 pm, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to all, Here is a marriage from 1745. Everything went fine until this section. This is what I know, Line 1 Dos Anjos daughter of Manoel Soares, deceased and his Line 2 wife, Isabel de Sousa, both ? (I'm wondering, against being baptized in Santa Barbara Church?) Line 5 and 5 years; No ? Joam ? I hope someone can help. Thanks, Tish -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. question.jpg 566KViewDownload -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport Records?
The Ellis Island Web site is also useful in locating the arrival date of your ancestors. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Fraga Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:02 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport Records? Honestly, the *EASIEST* way to do this is to first try to get your hand on the ship's manifest for your Grandfather. Ancestry.com has a search function that helps to narrow manifests down by name to make them easier to spot. Once you get a hold of that, life becomes much easier when looking for the passaporte. The manifest will have the date the ship arrived here in the US as well as when it left the Azores. Typically, I've found that my ancestors filled out their passaporte requests anywhere from a week to a month before they set sail from the Azores. Hope this helps, Jay Fraga Massachusetts - Original Message - From: jojo8...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport Records? Honora The site is http://pg.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/passaportes/default.aspx? Click on passaportes and then click on the years that you think are correct. There is no easy way to do this. You have to look at all the names and years. I'd start with 1908 and then check 1907 and 1909. It's much easier if you have a better idea of when they arrived because you can narrow the search. If you want some help searching send me their names (use my e-mail address) and where they lived in the U.S. Maybe the passenger lists from one of the genealogy sites will give you more information. Good luck. Joanne - Original Message - From: honora402 honora...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:17:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport Records? Forgive me for just jumping in here - but how does one find passport lists from Ponta Delgado? My grandfather came from there - not sure of the exact year, around 1908. does anyone have any suggestions- thanks, Ellen On Apr 20, 7:49 am, Terri terr...@rogers.com wrote: I was looking at the headings on the Passport Records and could not make out the word between 'occupacao' and 'destinos' at the top of the page. It looks like it starts with the letter 'L' . What is it and what does it mean? Thank you -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
That seems kind of strange. I would suspect that the priest knew who the parents of your 3d great grandparents were and it was more of a matter of a close relation ship and they could not get a dispensation. If you could find her birth record it would be interesting. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacki G. Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:25 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records I have never actually seen a record like that but it doesn't surprise me that they would identify if it that way. My 3rd great grandmother according to family history was never allowed to actually marry my 3rd great grandfather because she was the result of a rape. Her mother ended up in the Azores due to a shipwreck and she was raped by one of the sailors. The catholic church labeled her (the baby) as unclean and would not allow the marriage. So they just lived together for 60 years and had 9 children. I've wondered how they would label her birth. Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Pereira, Azevedo, Furtado, Rapoza Islands: Faial Sao Miguel _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9.35 AM To: azores group Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records Greetings, I've been reading all of the baptisms for Topo for 1860...I've seen 2 unusual records that I've never seen before and wonder if anyone else has seen similar records. One of them says the birth is to a solteria and in parentheses it says (vulgar assault), the other says the woman was married but the child was due to adultery. I had often wondered if some of those roda babies were due to assault by pirates but the records never indicated it so since this one did I guess they do put it on the records. Has anyone ever seen other records in Sao Jorge such as these? Regards, Nancy Jean _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rocha
Hi Jeanetta, My Rocha's are from Ponta Delgada and go back to Bretanha. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeanetta Kovachevich Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:17 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rocha Rick, I have a relative that I am related to thru my Machado side who is a Rocha. She is in Tulare CA. Jeanetta _ From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming Traditions of the Azores Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:09:38 -0400 Good Article. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Cardoza Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:30 AM To: Azores Google Group Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming Traditions of the Azores Hi Everyone Cheri Mello and I have put together a new document, Naming Traditions of Our Azorean Ancestors. It is on the Azores GenWeb site at http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/naming.html. Hopefully this article will prove to be helpful to many of you newer researchers. The article includes information on: Method of choosing surnames Female surnames and/or religious names Variant spellings Use of da, de, do, das, dos, and d' Miscellaneous rules, often broken rules Kathy Cardoza Coordinator, Azores GenWeb -- ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming Traditions of the Azores
Good Article. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Cardoza Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:30 AM To: Azores Google Group Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming Traditions of the Azores Hi Everyone Cheri Mello and I have put together a new document, Naming Traditions of Our Azorean Ancestors. It is on the Azores GenWeb site at http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/naming.html. Hopefully this article will prove to be helpful to many of you newer researchers. The article includes information on: Method of choosing surnames Female surnames and/or religious names Variant spellings Use of da, de, do, das, dos, and d' Miscellaneous rules, often broken rules Kathy Cardoza Coordinator, Azores GenWeb -- ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] [AZORES-Genealogy Dna Question
The Basques are from the region bordering France Span and Portugal. So having Basque in your DNA is possible. I would think there are studies that have been done which shows blood types and what determines the type we are. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lisa lema Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:32 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] [AZORES-Genealogy Dna Question Good morning all. I am hoping someone here will be able to answer this question for me, as it is pertains to 4 of my 9 living children. What Percentage of people of Portuguese ethnicity is RH -? I have just found out, due to the pregnancy of my daughter that she is RH- and due to her father's ethnicity, is very doubtful that negative factor came from his genetics. While I am on the subject, I suppose I ought to explain a little more. I have 9 living children, 7 girls, 2 boys. I have been married twice, and from the first union, I had 2 girls, one of which is o- rh factor; I lived with a man and had one female child with him, whom is also rh - (a-), and then married my current husband and we had 6 more children, 2 of which (girls) are also rh-( one is O- one is A-). My mother is Swedish, scottish, indian and my father is full blooded portuguese. my mother blood type is O + , my fathers blood type is A+, and mine is A+. from the research I have done,it is extremely rare for native american, black, and scottish peoples to carry the rh negative factor, but a race of people called BASQUES have a very high rate of rh negative blood. Is the Portuguese race considered Basque? and What is the ratio of negative blood type in the Portuguese Race? Any help in this matter would be appreciated. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] 1930 Census
Hi all, This is great if you need to look at the 1930 Census. Dick Eastman's article on how to view the 1930 Census on line FREE. It is a little awkward but I was able to find some of my family and the images were readable. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/03/1930-us-census-av ailable-free-of-charge-on-the-internet-archive.html Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] death notice
Hello George, I offer my deepest condolences on the loss of your brother. Having lost a sibling a number of years ago I know it is difficult. I offer my prayers today for your brother. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for information on my g ggrandfather
Hello Frank, I can not help you much but the term Western Island refers to all the islands in the Acores. I grew up in Portsmouth NH and the Bartlett name is well known and goes back to pre revolutionary days. There is a house on display in Portsmouth known as the Bartlett house. There is also a street named Bartlett Street. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of FRANK BARTLETT Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:12 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for information on my g ggrandfather Looking for information on my g ggrandfather and his brother. He and his brother immigrated to the US in the 1870's-1880's as a pre teen and his brother a teen as the story has been told. They came through Portsmouth, NH. My g grandfather was then adopted by a Bartlett family in NH and later moved on to the Boston area. Much is known about him from there on. But little mention of his past. We know his brother moved on very soon after arrival to Merced CA. They used an anglicized name something like Gerrivas, Gerevas. or possibly Gervasio. We know a sister joined the Uncle later on in the 1880's, but she went directly to Merced. I am trying to find the family name and the Azorean island of they're origin. Some had mentioned in the ancestry notes that it most likely was a western island of Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, or Flores, since they supposedly arrived on a whaling vessel. Anyway a trip to the Azores is on my bucket list but I would like to have a little more info before I go. Thanks, Frank Bartlett -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello
Hi Tony, It would be more helpful it you would give full names and dates, spouses name and so forth. As you state there are many Mellos in MA. Do you know what Island and village they came from or when they came to this country? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Rodrigues Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:35 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello Hi, my name is Tony, my Grandparents on my mothers side was named Mello lived in East Boston, Ma. I woulkd appreciate any information that you may have concerning them, there are a lot of Mello's in Ma, so Im hoping you may have something. Thank You --- On Tue, 1/12/10, ShirleyMay shirley1...@verizon.net wrote: From: ShirleyMay shirley1...@verizon.net Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 8:46 AM Hi Shirl, I am also interested in any Mello in the Massachusetts area. Would you please send me a scan of the microfilm? ShirleyMay Searching Vila Franca do Campo, and Povoação, São Miguel, Açores On Jan 8, 7:00 pm, Shirl Sereque shirl.sere...@verizon.net http://us.mc457.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=shirl.sere...@verizon.net wrote: Hi! I'm visiting the kids in California and have to read my email on-line. I'll be home January 23. I can scan it in again and send it to you. Right now, I don't remember much about it except it was a Mello and I know some of you were looking for that name. All my info is at home. There's no way I can reach my home sent file from the internet - darn! - Shirl - Seriqui, Benarus, Bensabat, Sreky Azores, Brazil, Portugal -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com http://us.mc457.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.c om . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] New DNA Test
Hi All, I just received this announcement of a new DNA test which offers more hope of breaking through the Pais Incognito barrier for some of your lines. You can read about it below using the link. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA project matches
Hi Elaine I guess at this point there are just not enough people tested to make a match but that is not to say that testing is not helpful and will not provide results. I have had my mothers DNA tested and she is in Haplogroup W. I had traced her maternal line back to a woman who came to Quebec from France in the 1600's. I put the results on the MtDNA website and have met others who subsequently traced their line to the same woman. So testing has provided help and has verified the genealogical work and has introduced me to distant cousins. Generally speaking on the information you have provided what you need is a match from the same village/area from where your ancestor came from to give you a clue as to what the line is. I think we are all looking for the magic bullet result that will reveal all but the truth is that testing and research must go hand in hand. In Portuguese genealogy surnames do not necessarily mean much in tracing a line as there were so many name changes along the way. I have been watching the results and would like to find a match to my father's maternal line from Sao Miguel. I do have a match from Pi co but I think it is more anthological (no recent common ancestor) and would be surprised to find a common ancestor in the records in the Acores. I hope this helps explain it better. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: E Sharp [mailto:bellema...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:38 AM To: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA project matches Rick, This makes me wonder why do the DNA test for ancestors if all your going to find is cousins you already know about. That is the reason I asked now many matches had been made and it seems they are none other than the cousins. My relative did his DNA as part of a surname project and in hopes he would match someone which might give us a hint of his father's line but no luck there at all. Of course, it could mean people he would match have not done a DNA study. So, what do you feel you got out of doing the study? I was going to have my husband do his but I am not sure if the outcome is going to give us anymore than we already know. Elaine On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:58 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Elaine, Haplogroup R1b is the most common Haplogroup in Europe. As such it is found in every European country. R1b1b2 is also the Haplogroup which I belong. I had a 37 marker test and if there is a match of all 37 markers it means there is a 50% chance there is a relation in two generations. A 90% chance there is a match in 5 generations and a 95% chance in 7 generations. A match of someone with the same surname (the direct male line father to son) is more meaningful as is a match from the same village. Both my Grandfathers one Portuguese and the other French are R1b. I have traced there lines back 8+ generations and there is no hint of a connection. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sharp Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:29 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA project matches Hi Cheri, Thanks for the Azores DNA breakdown. I still have difficulty understanding these things but that you had 3 that matched and they were cousins means the system works. Since the 67 marker is a bit more expensive I don’t think too many people are in this category? I asked question this because I have a family member, predicted haplogroup is R1b1b2 of German-Volga descent and so far he has had 9 12-marker matches and 25 25-marker matches and within both groups most are English/Irish/Scottish, not German or Russian. Since his gfather was not named on birth record, I am beginning to assume he was a foreigner passing by although there were a few other nationalities living in the German-Volga area of Russia I am told. He was the only child of this union. We have traced his mother’s father and they left Germany 1766 for Russia under the invitation of Catherine the Great and this relative’s grandmother and father left Russia in early 1900’s for the USA. There is one Cabral in the bunch and it does list 1 Portuguese. Interesting. “E” -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode,
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA project matches
Hi Elaine, Haplogroup R1b is the most common Haplogroup in Europe. As such it is found in every European country. R1b1b2 is also the Haplogroup which I belong. I had a 37 marker test and if there is a match of all 37 markers it means there is a 50% chance there is a relation in two generations. A 90% chance there is a match in 5 generations and a 95% chance in 7 generations. A match of someone with the same surname (the direct male line father to son) is more meaningful as is a match from the same village. Both my Grandfathers one Portuguese and the other French are R1b. I have traced there lines back 8+ generations and there is no hint of a connection. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sharp Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:29 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA project matches Hi Cheri, Thanks for the Azores DNA breakdown. I still have difficulty understanding these things but that you had 3 that matched and they were cousins means the system works. Since the 67 marker is a bit more expensive I don't think too many people are in this category? I asked question this because I have a family member, predicted haplogroup is R1b1b2 of German-Volga descent and so far he has had 9 12-marker matches and 25 25-marker matches and within both groups most are English/Irish/Scottish, not German or Russian. Since his gfather was not named on birth record, I am beginning to assume he was a foreigner passing by although there were a few other nationalities living in the German-Volga area of Russia I am told. He was the only child of this union. We have traced his mother's father and they left Germany 1766 for Russia under the invitation of Catherine the Great and this relative's grandmother and father left Russia in early 1900's for the USA. There is one Cabral in the bunch and it does list 1 Portuguese. Interesting. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faustino Neto Marriage 1887 Oakland, CA
I would guess Catherina da Assumpcao. It would be what we sometimes refer as a religious name taken at marriage. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:58 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faustino Neto Marriage 1887 Oakland, CA Repost for David Buckley (oldschoo...@gmail.com) I am trying to post a marriage record of my gg grandparents Joseph Foster (Jose Faustino) and Luzia Souza Neto. It is from Dec. 25, 1887 at St. Patrick's Catholic Church in Oakland, CA. I wanted to see if anyone would be able to give suggestions on the last name of Jose Faustino's mother's name, as it is abbraviated in the record. It says Catharina Asep?... or something along those lines. David -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Disappointment with microfilms...HELP!
Hi Terry, The Freguesia would be Vila Franca and the parish would be Sao Miguel Arcanjo Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terri Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:52 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Disappointment with microfilms...HELP! Hi Eliseu, I looked closer at some info i had for Jose Pimentel and saw that although he ended up living in Agua d'Alto after he was married ..., in 1902 he registered for a passport and along the line where his name isit says that the Conselho is Vila Franca and the Freguesia is S.Miguel...there is an area in the Vila that is S.Miguel right? So i may have ordered the wrong films to look for himall these families could be from Vila Franca or somewhere else instead of Agua d'Alto like everyone in my family thought. Thanks for checking on that. That was a great eye opener for me. I sure have alot more work to do to find my Jose Pimentel. On Jan 4, 3:49 pm, Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@sapo.pt wrote: Hi Terri, I am also interested in AA. I have a list of the marriages in AA from 1837 to 1900 and none of your people appear to be married there... It is not much but at least you get the information they married outside these dates. The surnames are there present but not the people as you mentioned them in your post. eliseu -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Disappointment with microfilms...HELP!
Hi Terri, The best way is to start with some smarter searching. It is difficult to search for a birth record because there are many more births than marriages. To search for a birth you have to know the name of the parents because the births only give the first name of the person. Further in the record is given the names of the parents and grandparents. If you have the names of the parents then it may be easier searching for their marriage record. Most marriage records in the 1870-1880 time frame have the parties named in the margin of the record and the record itself gives more information such as the names of the parents, age of the bride groom, occupation, parish where they were baptized. In the Azores you have to know what village/parish your people are from as this is how records are kept. Also keep in mind the depending on what parish you are looking in will determine what years were filmed. Most filmed records end in 1883/84 as they were filmed in 1983/1984 (100 year rule). So if the person you are looking for was born after that time there is no filmed record available When searching for a birth record I try and narrow it down to as close a date as possible. Then pick a year to search. If the person name was Antonio de Mello then I start by focusing in on every record for a person named Antonio. Sometimes the name Antonio is written in the margin and on other records it is in the text of the record. You have to learn where in the record to look. In many of the earlier records they start off with the name Antonio filho de Manuel de Mello and Antonia de Jesus etc I hope this helps. You may also try posting what you are looking for with as much information as you have on this list as there may be others searching in the same area. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terri Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:16 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Disappointment with microfilms...HELP! Can someone please give me some guidance to using the microfilms? How do you do it when you only have an idea of the years a person maybe be born in. Looking for someone circa 1880 could mean looking at a few books for years before and maybe even after I have already ordered 3 films and i feel so anxious when i see so many of the pages grainy..and difficult to read (not because it's in Portuguese but the quality of the film...or pages) and i have no exact date to search. I am afraid i don't know how to really look at these microfilms for the information i need and feel discouraged that this is where it ends for me with the searching unless i take a trip to the Azores to spend my days at the archives there. I don't want to order any more microfilms until i understand how to search more effectively without spending 8 hour days at the library trying to decipher what i'm looking at. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Disappointment with microfilms...HELP!
I also use a large magnifying glass when I am using the film readers. Staples or Office Max have a good selection at a reasonable price. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E Sharp Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:58 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Disappointment with microfilms...HELP! Terri, When I read these films, the first thing I look for is the name, and the first name Maria will drive you crazy, as it seems every other one was Maria - and sometimes when you think the name is something else, chances are they were originally named Maria on the records and the other name is either their middle name of nickname i.e. my Emma was Maria on her baptism record. Then I look for the names of the parents in the text. This is about all you can do when you don't have an exact date. I have done this so many times on many Portuguese, Danish, Polish records and it seems the easiest for me. I don't try to read all the text unless I feel I might have the person I am looking for. Don't get frustrated. If you feel you are getting that way, get up, walk around a bit, do some exercise while sitting and then go back to the screen--sometimes these breaks help. Looking at these films for a very long spell can sometimes make you not see what you are looking for. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
There is a good chance he did not have a SSA number. Certain groups/trades/forms of employment were not covered in those days. My grandfather is not on the death index because he was retired from the rail road. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E Sharp Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:28 PM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records If someone died in 1953, at age 88, what are the chances that he will have a Social Security number? He is not listed on SSDI and I hesitate to spend $29 (or whatever it is these days without a number) ordering a record if one does not exist. Thanks, E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Learn basic Portuguese
Hi All, If you ever thought of learning basic Portuguese Dick Eastman's news letter has a article about a free course on line. It is published by the state department and has been used for a number of years. I looked at the Italian program and it is the same one I took when I was in Italy in 1977. Even today I can still remember a lot of it. There is one for Portuguese which includes audio tapes. You can read the article at the link below. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/12/free-foreign-lang uage-courses.html Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Simmiss/Vicira family from the Azores
I would suspect the real name in the Azores would be Jose Vieira Simas. His fathers name would be Jose Vieira and his mothers would be Teresa Simas. Possibly his mother went by another name such as Teresa de Jesus. I am assuming this marriage took place in NZ. Do you know when Jose emigrated there? Some of the Passport records are on line. To do any research in the Azores you need to know what village your Jose came from. Simas is not a common name so that should help there. Vieira is found more often but not as much as Sousa. I have seen the name Simas from the council of Nordeste in Sao Miguel but it is also found elsewhere. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of r.k.partn...@xtra.co.nz Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:40 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Simmiss/Vicira family from the Azores Hello to everyone. I am continuing my search for information about the Simmiss or Vicira line. I have managed to locate the marriage certificate of my g g grandfather Joseph Simmiss, nee Vicira, aged 34 from Portugal - his father was Joseph Vicira and mother Theresa Vicira nee Simmiss which would mean that they were my g g g grandparents. His wife was Susan Eliza Davy from Motueka, Nelson, NZ. One the birth cert of one of the children is states that Joseph (g g grandfather) birthplace was the Azores. This is the only information on these people that I have so any help, would be much appreciated. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Physical Research In/Around Dartmouth?
Hi Nicole, The collection of the Portuguese American Genealogical Society is now at U-Mass Dartmouth. I am not sure about getting around New Bedford but there is bus service in Fall River. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicole Rodriques Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:16 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Physical Research In/Around Dartmouth? Hey all, I'm finally coming up on my student teaching semester and should graduate this coming Spring. I am currently considering taking the Intensive Portuguese summer course at UMASS Darthmouth. I figure since that lasts for 5 weeks or so, I'll probably have some time to go around and do some physical searching for info. Both sets of my Portuguese G-Grandparents came in through New Bedford and I believe one set remained there, and the other moved around a bit into Dartmouth and possibly Fall River (I'm not sure why that name comes to mind at the moment.) The only thing is, I have no idea how I'll get anywhere without a car. I don't know how cities are situated up there, do they all just kind of butt up together? I live in a county where we have a lot of unincorporated areas between the cities (for example the school I'm teaching in is 34 miles away from my home...but Hillsborough County (Tampa Bay area) is pretty spread out. I have no idea what to expect in MA. Aside from that, what key places should I go to? What kind of info should I look for? Seeing as I'm in Florida, I've only ever done online research. Hands on stuff is completely new to me. And I suppose if it turns out that I can't make it to the summer program, I'll get around to hiring someone else to do the legwork for me. I have a quickly aging great aunt who would love to know more about her history. Nicole Rodriques -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas - Feliz Natal - Happy New Year - Feliz Ano Novo Thread
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my friends on the List. When I think of the last two days I am grateful and thankful to God I pressed my doctor about the swelling in my foot presisting after having surgery to repair my Achillies tendon a month ago. He sent me for an ultra sound to check my circulation and it showed I have a major blood clot in my leg. In other words I was a ticking time bomb for a pulmonary embolus or even worse. They were thinking of sending me right to the ER. I was thinking I might wind up in the Hospital for Christmas. After checking with my doctor they decided to send me to him. They would not let me walk out of the hospital but insisted that I be put in a wheel chair and they took me out to my car in the parking lot. When I got to my doctor he put me on some blood thinners and took a blood test. So for now I am home and will be in church for Christmas. I will be following up next week with more appointments. I guess my Christmas present was finding out I had this condition before it really became serious. I have something to really be thankful for this Christmas. May God bless all of you. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 1:43 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas - Feliz Natal - Happy New Year - Feliz Ano Novo Thread -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records
Hi Jacki, First check the 1930 US Census to see if he was a Citizen. If he was then depending on where he lived the court that had jurisdiction at the time would have the records. Many immigrants did not apply for citizenship until the late 1930's when social security was started. At that time you had to be a US citizen to get social security. Citizen ship records could be in a state district court such as records for Attleboro, MA up till the 1940's were kept at the Taunton district Court and then transferred to the State Archives in Boston. Later records in the 1950's were done in Federal courts and are now in the Federal Archives in Waltham MA. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacki G. Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:18 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records First, thank you all for the ideas. Rick, How would I go about finding his petition? My mother says she thinks it was somewhere around 1926 but she's not sure. The only absolute was that he was living in California in the San Francisco Bay Area at the time. The family had his birth certificate from Faial at one point, but since his and my grandmother's deaths, no one knows where it went or remembers how it was obtained. I have never seen it as it was lost long before I started my research unfortunately. Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Family names: Medeiros, Machado, Pacheco, Perreira, Fernandes _ From: azores+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5.29 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records Hi Jacki If your grandfather was Naturalized then his Petition for Naturalization would provide a wealth of information as to his arrival in the US. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:20 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records Jacki, You will need to check the Boston arrivals as well as the Ellis Island arrivals. More info on how to do that can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html (Scroll down to Passenger Arrival Lists.) Records from the Azores are starting to come online, but nothing from Faial yet. Once you exhaust your U.S. sources, you might consider hiring a researcher to look at the port of Horta, Faial, in their ships lists leaving the Azores. A list of researchers for hire can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html#researcher s Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records
Hi Jacki If your grandfather was Naturalized then his Petition for Naturalization would provide a wealth of information as to his arrival in the US. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:20 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records Jacki, You will need to check the Boston arrivals as well as the Ellis Island arrivals. More info on how to do that can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html (Scroll down to Passenger Arrival Lists.) Records from the Azores are starting to come online, but nothing from Faial yet. Once you exhaust your U.S. sources, you might consider hiring a researcher to look at the port of Horta, Faial, in their ships lists leaving the Azores. A list of researchers for hire can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html#researcher s Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reading challenge for the day
Thanks Margaret, That makes more sense to me. Rick. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: Margaret Vicente [mailto:margaretvice...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:44 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reading challenge for the day Rick, Thanks for the larger portion. Reading it from the father's name portion I would say it is 'CONTREIO'. And there is such a surname in PT. take care, Margaret Vicente. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:06 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Margaret, Look at the fathers name on the last line. It looks like a C to me Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: Margaret Vicente [mailto:margaretvice...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:20 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reading challenge for the day Hi Rick, I read it as Jose Antonio Pacheco It's a little fooling but if compared to a few other letters and words I always come with Antonio. Margaret Vicente. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:37 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I am trying to read an unusual name or alcuna. It looks like Jose Cortocio Pacheco. Any other thoughts on it? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reading challenge for the day
Try Microsoft Office Document Imaging Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: JR [mailto:jro...@rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:14 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reading challenge for the day I couldn't open your file, but I think Margaret probably got it. It says tiff, but is it some new version? JR -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ebay--Pics of Azoreans
Interesting photos but I do not recognize any one. I have a couple of photos done by A. M. Estrella also. I have wondered what ever happened to all the old glass plate negatives. I would guess they were washed for their silver content during the war. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: marra...@cs.com [mailto:marra...@cs.com] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:06 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ebay--Pics of Azoreans In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:42:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, pacheco.jess...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I found the photos on ebay. They are probably no relation of mine though they look similar to some, haha. I have ancestors who also had photographs taken at A M Estrella studio. Could you please give more information such as where you found these and if there is anything written on the backs. Also, please try to make copies or scans of them. Old family photographs are so rare and once they are gone, they are gone forever. I think you can have scans and copies made at places like CVS if you don't own a scanner. A.M. Estrella was the photographer of the Portuguese immigrants in the Fall River area circa 1900-1930. He had a studio on Bay Street and was orininally from Vila Franca (I think). He took a wedding photo of my grandparents in 1910. John Miranda Raposo -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira
Hi Charlotte, I just wanted to let you know I am still looking at Estrela records of Jose Tavares Ferreira. I was at the FHC on Saturday and was looking for the marriage I looked from 1880 to 1870 and did not find it there but I need to continue and try the records 1870 to 1860 which I am now convinced it the right time. In re-looking at the passport records I am sure Maria was 11 years old when they left the Acores. So that would mean she was born around 1870. I hope to get back to the FHC this week and continue looking. I will keep you posted. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of White Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Richard, thank you for the suggestions. I am most grateful for all your time and work. Aloha _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 12:52 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Hi Charlotte, Well that explains why I could not find the birth in Estrela. It looks like I will have to find the birth of Maria and or the marriage which I have good reason to believe is in Estrela. If Maria was 11 and they were 33 38 then that means they most likely married when they were 22 and 27 which is in the range when most marriages took place in the Acores. It should not be difficult finding them. Another thing infant mortality was high back then they may have had other children that died. And I have records of woman having children well into their 40's. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of White Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira I rechecked the birth date for Joseph Tavares Ferreira and it was Feb. 22, 1882. So he must have been born in Hawaii and not the Azores. He did have an older sister Mary ( Maria) but I do not think she would have been 11 years older. It made me wonder if there might have been other children that they left behind as 33 and 38 seem rather old to be starting families. Thank you again for your help. Aloha _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Hi Charlotte, I hope to get back to the FHC next week and look some more, the record has to be there. As for as only three traveling in the party and the name Manuel I just looked at the record again and this morning I see it is Maria (they used an abbreviation when I first looked at it I thought it was Manuel). Also it has her as 11 years old not 11 months. Perhaps your grandfather was considered a baby in arms and not counted. I will see if I can find her birth. I will let you know when I find some more. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of White Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Thank you so much! I have not been able to find out any info. I do not know anything about a Manuel. Grandpa had a brother John and a sister. Grandpa was about 3 when he arrived here. Thank you so much. Any other info. would be appreciated. _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:59 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Tavares Ferreira Hello Charlotte, I finally have time to do some research and I looked at the Ribeira Grande records today to try and find your family. I spent most of the time looking for the birth of a Jose born Feb 22 1879 but came up empty. What I have found tonight is the passport record of your great grandfather Jose Tavares Ferreira, the link below should take you to the CCA site and the record It is image 0066. From what I was able to read it has a date of 23 Apr 1881,
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marianno Furtado
Hi Linda I do not think you told me this before. I was hoping to check the passports in the Acores but they are not posted for the year 1920-1921. I guess we are back to getting the marriage or birth record. Rick. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: Linda Norton [mailto:patli...@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:19 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marianno Furtado He came over on the SS Cretic 10/30/20 w/my grandmother, LDS Film#1404381. I thought my father said he had come over without my grandmother earlier, but not sure now. Did I send this to you before? Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:54 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marianno Furtado Hi Linda, No the records are not on line yet :-(. The process to get them on line is going to take years. You said Antonio left the Acores in the early 1900's. Do you know about what year? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:29 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marianno Furtado Rick, Yes you are correct with the information. I'm trying to find out via my aunt if my father's cousin Padre Antone de Sousa de Rocha from Ribeira Grande can do it for me. He is 86 and not well, but we'll see. He is on my father's maternal side. You have to send money and the information to get the records, it's not on line yet, correct? Let's see what my aunt and cousin can do for me. Thanks, Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:08 AM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marianno Furtado Hi Linda, Let me see if I understand this correctly, Marianno never came to Canada or the US. His son Antonio did in the early 1900's went back and then returned 1919/1920 and later went back and he died in the Acores in 1945. If that is the case the only way we are going to find out if Marianno Furtado is actually Marianno Furtado Pimentel is to A: get his marriage record or B: get his birth record (idealy both). In either case it will require sending to the Archives in Ponta Delgada to get copies of the records. If you have contacts in Sao Miguel perhaps they could do it for you. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:13 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira My Uncle right now has major health issues that my Aunt is trying to deal with. She tried to give me what she had, but it was on my Grandmother and not my Grandfather. They thought I had it because my Dad was with me, but I went through everything I didn't see any paperwork regarding Marianno. I thought my Grandmother would had given everything to my Uncle when she came back here with him in 1951 or 1953. She was going to try and ask my Dad's cousin, Padre Anton from Ribeira Grande if he could find something, but he's not well himself being 85 and he is on my father's maternal side. Most of my father's paternal side has passed over there and only cousins left here who I haven't seen since I was a child so that isn't helping. According to my Uncle and my Dad when he was living, it was my grandfather Antonio Furtado son of Marianno who came to the US, but nothing on Marianno coming here. He did tell me that only his Aunt Marianna and Uncle Jose stayed there, but then his father went back and remained till he died in 1945. All their children came here or Canada. He said the parents came in the early 1900's went back and then some came again 1919/1920. I know jumping around is hard, but I think it's because it seems cousins married within the families, so we seem to be all interrelated especially from the same town, don't you think? Linda _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database:
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marianno Furtado
Hi Linda, No the records are not on line yet :-(. The process to get them on line is going to take years. You said Antonio left the Acores in the early 1900's. Do you know about what year? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:29 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marianno Furtado Rick, Yes you are correct with the information. I'm trying to find out via my aunt if my father's cousin Padre Antone de Sousa de Rocha from Ribeira Grande can do it for me. He is 86 and not well, but we'll see. He is on my father's maternal side. You have to send money and the information to get the records, it's not on line yet, correct? Let's see what my aunt and cousin can do for me. Thanks, Linda _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:08 AM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marianno Furtado Hi Linda, Let me see if I understand this correctly, Marianno never came to Canada or the US. His son Antonio did in the early 1900's went back and then returned 1919/1920 and later went back and he died in the Acores in 1945. If that is the case the only way we are going to find out if Marianno Furtado is actually Marianno Furtado Pimentel is to A: get his marriage record or B: get his birth record (idealy both). In either case it will require sending to the Archives in Ponta Delgada to get copies of the records. If you have contacts in Sao Miguel perhaps they could do it for you. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:13 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira My Uncle right now has major health issues that my Aunt is trying to deal with. She tried to give me what she had, but it was on my Grandmother and not my Grandfather. They thought I had it because my Dad was with me, but I went through everything I didn't see any paperwork regarding Marianno. I thought my Grandmother would had given everything to my Uncle when she came back here with him in 1951 or 1953. She was going to try and ask my Dad's cousin, Padre Anton from Ribeira Grande if he could find something, but he's not well himself being 85 and he is on my father's maternal side. Most of my father's paternal side has passed over there and only cousins left here who I haven't seen since I was a child so that isn't helping. According to my Uncle and my Dad when he was living, it was my grandfather Antonio Furtado son of Marianno who came to the US, but nothing on Marianno coming here. He did tell me that only his Aunt Marianna and Uncle Jose stayed there, but then his father went back and remained till he died in 1945. All their children came here or Canada. He said the parents came in the early 1900's went back and then some came again 1919/1920. I know jumping around is hard, but I think it's because it seems cousins married within the families, so we seem to be all interrelated especially from the same town, don't you think? Linda _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2462 - Release Date: 10/27/09 07:38:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Marianno Furtado
Hi Linda, Let me see if I understand this correctly, Marianno never came to Canada or the US. His son Antonio did in the early 1900's went back and then returned 1919/1920 and later went back and he died in the Acores in 1945. If that is the case the only way we are going to find out if Marianno Furtado is actually Marianno Furtado Pimentel is to A: get his marriage record or B: get his birth record (idealy both). In either case it will require sending to the Archives in Ponta Delgada to get copies of the records. If you have contacts in Sao Miguel perhaps they could do it for you. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:13 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira My Uncle right now has major health issues that my Aunt is trying to deal with. She tried to give me what she had, but it was on my Grandmother and not my Grandfather. They thought I had it because my Dad was with me, but I went through everything I didn't see any paperwork regarding Marianno. I thought my Grandmother would had given everything to my Uncle when she came back here with him in 1951 or 1953. She was going to try and ask my Dad's cousin, Padre Anton from Ribeira Grande if he could find something, but he's not well himself being 85 and he is on my father's maternal side. Most of my father's paternal side has passed over there and only cousins left here who I haven't seen since I was a child so that isn't helping. According to my Uncle and my Dad when he was living, it was my grandfather Antonio Furtado son of Marianno who came to the US, but nothing on Marianno coming here. He did tell me that only his Aunt Marianna and Uncle Jose stayed there, but then his father went back and remained till he died in 1945. All their children came here or Canada. He said the parents came in the early 1900's went back and then some came again 1919/1920. I know jumping around is hard, but I think it's because it seems cousins married within the families, so we seem to be all interrelated especially from the same town, don't you think? Linda _ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira
Hi Charlotte, Well that explains why I could not find the birth in Estrela. It looks like I will have to find the birth of Maria and or the marriage which I have good reason to believe is in Estrela. If Maria was 11 and they were 33 38 then that means they most likely married when they were 22 and 27 which is in the range when most marriages took place in the Acores. It should not be difficult finding them. Another thing infant mortality was high back then they may have had other children that died. And I have records of woman having children well into their 40's. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of White Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira I rechecked the birth date for Joseph Tavares Ferreira and it was Feb. 22, 1882. So he must have been born in Hawaii and not the Azores. He did have an older sister Mary ( Maria) but I do not think she would have been 11 years older. It made me wonder if there might have been other children that they left behind as 33 and 38 seem rather old to be starting families. Thank you again for your help. Aloha _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Hi Charlotte, I hope to get back to the FHC next week and look some more, the record has to be there. As for as only three traveling in the party and the name Manuel I just looked at the record again and this morning I see it is Maria (they used an abbreviation when I first looked at it I thought it was Manuel). Also it has her as 11 years old not 11 months. Perhaps your grandfather was considered a baby in arms and not counted. I will see if I can find her birth. I will let you know when I find some more. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of White Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Thank you so much! I have not been able to find out any info. I do not know anything about a Manuel. Grandpa had a brother John and a sister. Grandpa was about 3 when he arrived here. Thank you so much. Any other info. would be appreciated. _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:59 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Tavares Ferreira Hello Charlotte, I finally have time to do some research and I looked at the Ribeira Grande records today to try and find your family. I spent most of the time looking for the birth of a Jose born Feb 22 1879 but came up empty. What I have found tonight is the passport record of your great grandfather Jose Tavares Ferreira, the link below should take you to the CCA site and the record It is image 0066. From what I was able to read it has a date of 23 Apr 1881, Jose Tavares Ferreira son of Jose Tavares Ferreira and Joanna Maria., age 38, married from Ribeira Grande NS Estrela, a stone mason, wife's name Maria Augusta, age 33, and it looks like Manuel 11 months Just 3 traveled in the party. It also has the ship Suffok. When I get back to the FHC I am going to see if I can find the birth of Manuel. http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PPDL1875-1883/PPDL18 75-1883_item1/P67.html Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira
Hi Linda, Perhaps there is a connection but right now I am trying to get into the Estrela records with this family. Once I find the first record it should be easy to take it back and find a connection. This CCA passport information confirms that I am looking in the right place. Have you been able to get any more information about Marianno? I think you said your aunt an uncle had his marriage certificate that might give us more information. Also do you have any idea as to when he traveled from the Acores? Maybe I can get lucky on the CCA website. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:34 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Rick, I've been researching and saw that you have a Ignacio Jose Borges 1732 m. Maria Therisa Tavares 1734-1762. See attached. Could Maria Therisa Tavares be a sibling to Jose Tavares? Jose Borges Tavares m. Mariana Francisca and their child Joao Borges Tavares m. Monica Jacinta de Jesus Ferreira Medeiros de Paiva dos Santos Faria. My Borges line dropped the Tavares on my mother's paternal side, but added Giesta to Borges though my mother never used Giesta, but her brother did. Could this be a connection to Charlotte as well? On my de Sousa's line-see attached, the Tavares again was dropped, but both sides had de Sousa. Caloura was added later to de Sousa on my father's maternal side, but never brought down Caloura either. I need to update those lines since I got more information going back to the 1600's. Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 7:59 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Tavares Ferreira Hello Charlotte, I finally have time to do some research and I looked at the Ribeira Grande records today to try and find your family. I spent most of the time looking for the birth of a Jose born Feb 22 1879 but came up empty. What I have found tonight is the passport record of your great grandfather Jose Tavares Ferreira, the link below should take you to the CCA site and the record It is image 0066. From what I was able to read it has a date of 23 Apr 1881, Jose Tavares Ferreira son of Jose Tavares Ferreira and Joanna Maria., age 38, married from Ribeira Grande NS Estrela, a stone mason, wife's name Maria Augusta, age 33, and it looks like Manuel 11 months Just 3 traveled in the party. It also has the ship Suffok. When I get back to the FHC I am going to see if I can find the birth of Manuel. http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PPDL1875-1883/PPDL18 75-1883_item1/P67.html Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.31/2457 - Release Date: 10/24/09 14:31:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira
Hi Charlotte, I hope to get back to the FHC next week and look some more, the record has to be there. As for as only three traveling in the party and the name Manuel I just looked at the record again and this morning I see it is Maria (they used an abbreviation when I first looked at it I thought it was Manuel). Also it has her as 11 years old not 11 months. Perhaps your grandfather was considered a baby in arms and not counted. I will see if I can find her birth. I will let you know when I find some more. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of White Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Tavares Ferreira Thank you so much! I have not been able to find out any info. I do not know anything about a Manuel. Grandpa had a brother John and a sister. Grandpa was about 3 when he arrived here. Thank you so much. Any other info. would be appreciated. _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:59 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Tavares Ferreira Hello Charlotte, I finally have time to do some research and I looked at the Ribeira Grande records today to try and find your family. I spent most of the time looking for the birth of a Jose born Feb 22 1879 but came up empty. What I have found tonight is the passport record of your great grandfather Jose Tavares Ferreira, the link below should take you to the CCA site and the record It is image 0066. From what I was able to read it has a date of 23 Apr 1881, Jose Tavares Ferreira son of Jose Tavares Ferreira and Joanna Maria., age 38, married from Ribeira Grande NS Estrela, a stone mason, wife's name Maria Augusta, age 33, and it looks like Manuel 11 months Just 3 traveled in the party. It also has the ship Suffok. When I get back to the FHC I am going to see if I can find the birth of Manuel. http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PPDL1875-1883/PPDL18 75-1883_item1/P67.html Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Alcunha meaning
Hi all, We had a recent discussion about a surname with a number Quarenta which was interesting. I came across a family that used the name Raposo Quintanilha. Quintanilha is listed as a family name in Guill's History of the Azores. What is the meaning of this name and is it a derivative of a number? I know quinta is fifth in latin. Is there a connection? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing
Thanks Tex, I had several answers my query and the consensus seemed to say the part in question was Igancio da Camara, auzente (absent). In the many records I have looked at this was the first one that used that term. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tex Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:07 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing Rick, I have been pondering over your document for a few days while I looked for a list of Portuguese occupations that I have. Sometimes they use to put the occupation after a persons name or his current status in life, i.e. widower, or sometimes the word natural or naturais meaning that he or they were also born in the town spoken of above. However, I can't make out any of these clarifications in your document. I would agree with Margaret Vicente that it is definately Ignacio da C I believe that it may be Casimiro but it is definately da. I don't believe that Rezende is even there. I believe that whatever that word is it ends in ente. Look at the word presente just 3 lines above. The ending is the same. I think the best thing to do is to look for a marriage record for a brother or sister which would have all of the other names on the family's side and you might get a better view. Birth records for Florinda or one of her siblings should also give you some clarification. Hang in there; some documents are almost impossible to read. Good luck, Tex (Walter Teixeira) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Alcunha meaning
Hi Jesse, What I meant was there any connection with the name Quintanilla and the ordinal number for fifth. Rick. Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Pacheco Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:05 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Alcunha meaning I am not sure if they are related but George Pacheco offered this interesting possiblity in an earlier post: I have a lady on someone's Genealogy, that her names was Francisca Das Quarenta Horas, i asked a priest why would she be named Francisca of the forty hours, the expalanation she might have been born during lent an she was named after the 40th hour of Christ's suffering. Nonw of her family takes the name ay at all at least the one daughter that i have her descendants and they are from Rosario lagoa i have her ancestors l also. rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *Hi all, * * * *We had a recent discussion about a surname with a number Quarenta which was interesting. * * * *I came across a family that used the name Raposo Quintanilha. Quintanilha is listed as a family name in Guill's History of the **Azores**.* *What is the meaning of this name and is it a derivative of a number? I know quinta is fifth in latin. Is there a connection?* * * *Rick* * * **Richard Francis Pimentel** **Epping, New Hampshire, USA** **Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing
Thanks Hermano, You and George Pacheco agree and looking at it knowing what it is I can see it. What I find unusual is the writer included the word auzente meaning absent. Could it be that he had disappeared and they did not know if he was alive or dead? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hermano C. Pires Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:49 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing Rick, This is wat I make out: Francisco Pacheco son of Joao Pacheco and Francisca de Jesus with Florinda de Jesus daughter of Igancio da Camara, absent (auzente) and Maria de Jesus. Hope that helps. Hermano _ From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Read the writing Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:02:02 -0400 Hi All, Once again I have a name I cannot make out. It is the father of Florinda de Jesus I read so far Ignacio C ? Rezende. The middle name just does not look like anything familiar. Do you have any ideas? Thanks for the help Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha /html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New in Researching the Azores
Hi Leslie, Welcome to the list. If you live in the New England area there is a workshop at UMass at Dartmouth on Oct 31 presented by Cheri Mello and George Pacheco. I attended a very similar one this past spring presented by them. You may find it helpful. My grandmother was a Carvalho, her parents were from Bretanha and from Ponta Delgada. I have worked with the records form Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada and have the films on permenate loan at the local Family History Center. I know when you first start it is overwhelming looking at hand written records in a strange language but I was in the same situation when I started in 1990. The best records to start looking at are the marriages. These records would list the name Virginio Augusto de Carvalho and most records the names are written in the margin or at the top of the page. Birth records would only have the name Virginio which may be harder to spot. But Virginio is not a common name such as Jose or Manuel so you are lucky there. You have many friends on this list that will help you when you have questions. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lezli Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:46 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] New in Reserching the Azores I have started on my late husband's portuguese side of his family. I am in a bind because I do not know where to start because I am not very good in portuguese. I know that his great grandparents came from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores. I also have down that they were born at the same place. I do have one of their children born in Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores. I did look up a church records in that place but no one goes by the name of Virginio Augusto de Carvalho. I do feel can of frustrated because I am not really good in the language. Thank you, Leslie L Carvalho --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing
Hi Linda. This was a marriage record from Santissimo Salvador in 1851. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:44 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing I'm sorry Rick, but I missed where this family is from? I have a Francisco Pacheco b. Ribeira Grande, NS da Estrela m. Antonia de Jesus b. Ribeira Grande, NS da Estrela d. before Oct. 1834. Child of both-Joaquina Rosa de Jesus b. Ribeira Grande, NS da Conceicao m. Francisco Borges Giesta 29.10.1834 in Ribeira Grande, NS da Conceicao. Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Bertemes Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:11 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing Francisco Pacheco, filho de Joao Pacheco e Francisca de Jesus com Florinda de Jesus, filha de Ignacio ... Resende e Maria de Jesus Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie --- Em dom, 11/10/09, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net rfrancispimen...@comcast.net escreveu: De: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Read the writing Para: Azores@googlegroups.com Data: Domingo, 11 de Outubro de 2009, 17:02 Hi All, Once again I have a name I cannot make out. It is the father of Florinda de Jesus I read so far Ignacio C ? Rezende. The middle name just does not look like anything familiar. Do you have any ideas? Thanks for the help Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha _ Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http:/br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/ Top 10 - http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http:/br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/celebridades/ Celebridades - http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http:/br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/m%C3%BAsica/ Música - http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http:/br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/esportes/ Esportes/A No http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http:/br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/esportes/ virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.11/2430 - Release Date: 10/12/09 04:01:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing
Thanks Margaret. I could send the whole document but I try to limit the size of documents I send to the list as there may be some subscribers that use dial up connection. Also large documents get caught up in the server. If needed, I can send the whole document to an e-mail address. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:31 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Read the writing Hi Rick, I read Ignacio da Casanova...the pic doesn't give enough to compare the lettering more appropriately.. regards, Margaret. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, Once again I have a name I cannot make out. It is the father of Florinda de Jesus I read so far Ignacio C ? Rezende. The middle name just does not look like anything familiar. Do you have any ideas? Thanks for the help Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha br --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Isla das Flores Genealogy help
Hello Lex, Welcome to the list. It appears your great grand parents (your grandmothers parents) were born in the time after the records were filmed. You are lucky you have their birth dates and the village which they were born so the archives should not have a problem in finding them. There are no books that I am aware of so your best bet is to get copies of their birth records from the archives. Once you have these you will be able to research your family using the filmed records which can be requested at the LDS family history centers. This would be a good website to check out http://www.dholmes.com/rocha1.html there are other sites that may prove helpful perhaps some others will add to this. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lex Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:51 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Isla das Flores Genealogy help Hi everyone, i was wondering if someone could recommend a few books on Genealogy from Flores Island. I was born there but grew up in canada. my genealogy as far as i know is firmly from Flores, and i don't have access to many records. My fathers family is from the Mosteiro area and my mothers family from Lages das Flores and Fazenda das Flores. i can only go back three generations and some of that is missing. i want to start with the strongest line i have and that's my mothers maternal side. If anyone has any conecting info or leads or book titles and authors would be greatly appreciated. So here's the information. My Grandmother: Cecilia Vieira Mendonca B: July 29, 1937, Fazenda das Lages D: October 23, 1987, Lages das Flores Parents: Father Francisco Jose de Mendonca B: January 17, 1886, Fazenda das Lages D: July 14, 1970, Fazenda das Lages Mother Filomena Vieira Goncalves B: May 15, 1897, Fazenda das Lages D: February 1965, Fazenda das Lages --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fenais da Ajuda - Pereira, Mello, Bento, Da Ponte
Hi Cheri If I were in that situation I would just drop Ancestry and re-subscribe in a few months. As far as ship arrivals I have been lucky to have found most of mine on the Ellis Island website and it is free. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:26 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fenais da Ajuda - Pereira, Mello, Bento, Da Ponte I have an old subscription - where they used to piecemeal things. Only census and some US records. Nothing more, nada. If I ask for anything more, they want to sell me the World subscription. I don't have the time that others on another list have where I can hang up and call back and get a different rep to play that game. I just checked and went to the ships list, and yep, the only way for me to get it is to go to World. It's probably based on my subscription that has been grandfathered in. Cheri --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Name
Hi All. I came across an unusual name and am not sure of it. I have attached two documents so you can see. It looks like Qutah Jose Pacheco but it does not make sense to me. Perhaps some one is more familiar with the name and spelling. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- attachment: Document1.tifattachment: Document2.tif
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Name
Thanks all, Vital makes sense to me. I am just getting back to some serious work transcribing after a summer of work. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:47 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Name Hi Rick Do you think it might be Vital with a fancy tail at the end? Rosemarie - Original Message - From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Name Hi All. I came across an unusual name and am not sure of it. I have attached two documents so you can see. It looks like Qutah Jose Pacheco but it does not make sense to me. Perhaps some one is more familiar with the name and spelling. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Name
Hi Margaret, My first guess was ?itah It was the first letter I was not sure of. Thanks Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:17 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Name Hi Rick, It looks to me to be Vitah now a days Vital. regards, Margaret Vicente On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM, rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All. I came across an unusual name and am not sure of it. I have attached two documents so you can see. It looks like Qutah Jose Pacheco but it does not make sense to me. Perhaps some one is more familiar with the name and spelling. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha br --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Is this a twin?
I was playing around this morning on the Massachusetts Archives web site to see if my grandmother was listed. She was born on 8 Dec 1898. I narrowed my search to the last name Carvalho and the year 1898-1899. I had three names returned. Two were from Fall River which was where my grandmother was born. One was listed as Mary and the other was Joao. My grand mothers name was Maria Josephine but on her baptismal record it is listed as Maria. So I would guess that was her even though the date was given as 1899. (it may not have been reported until January 1899 so it was in with the 1899 births.) Now the mystery, the volume number was given 484, page 163. The other person born in Fall River Joao Carvalho that came back with the search is listed as volume number 484, page 163! It is too bad the site does not list parents now I am going to have to go to the archives and look at both records. If my grandmother had a twin brother I never knew it and who knows may be she did not know it. I also suspect this Joao Carvalho may have died before he reached 2 or 3. My great grandmother died in 1907 so perhaps no one ever said anything about it. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco Medeiros
I have the films at the local FHC in Exeter, NH but I will not be able to get there until November or December because of work. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:24 PM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Medeiros Hello Group, Would any one with access to information from Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada help find Francisco de Medeiros (don't have his parents names) I can only estimate his birth date to be in between 1834-1837 in Matriz, Sao Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada Sao Miguel. He married Maria Isabel approximately 1875-76 Thank you! Margaret Vicente. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Dedication of the Frrreira Mendes Portuguese American Archives
Hi all this is an article from Eastmans online genealogy newsletter. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/09/dedication-of-the -ferreiramendes-portugueseamerican-archives.html Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FW: [MABRISTO] Mass. index on line
I did not check I out Sorry, Try this http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/SearchWelcome.html Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sam Koester Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:29 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FW: [MABRISTO] Mass. index on line Hmmm, the link doesn't seem to work? Could you please double check it for me. Thanks, Sam in CA -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rfrancispimen...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:21 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] FW: [MABRISTO] Mass. index on line I Just received this on the Massachusetts, Bristol county list and perhaps it will help you if you are looking for records in Massachusetts 1841-1910 Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: mabristo-boun...@rootsweb.com [mailto:mabristo-boun...@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Costa Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:46 PM To: MABRISTO Subject: [MABRISTO] Mass. index on line This site lets you search the index for vital records for the whole state. It covers the time period below. However you may find some information on your couple, maybe they married earlier than you think. When I use it I only put the surname in the search, I find that I get better results , and have found people in the data base that way than putting in all the information. It has been awhile since I used the sight, so maybe it works better now. Good Luck in your search. Marge http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/VitalRecordsSearchContents.htmlh ttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/VitalRecordsSearchContents.html Vital Records (1841-1910) Contents The Massachusetts Archives holds Massachusetts vital records covering the years 1841-1915. The vital records cover births, marriages, and deaths that occurred in Massachusetts. The Archives not only holds the records, but also indices to these records. The information from the 1841-1910 Birth, Marriage Death indices has been entered into a searchable database. --- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to mabristo-requ...@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: trip to Ponta Delgado
Perhaps someone has already answered this. The using of a digital camera is a method of taking pictures of images from film viewers and other media. Some FHC's have machines which you put the film on and it takes a digital image which you can take home on a disk or flash drive. Our local FHC has one and it is a very helpful tool. The machine is expensive so not all FHC's have them. So the use of a digital camera is the next best thing. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E Sharp Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:09 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: trip to Ponta Delgado WISHFUL THINKING. Maybe with technology the way it is, one day we can put the film in the machine find the frame we want and send the frame to our email address...voila...picture on our computer to save wherever we want. H..now to find the person to develop this technique. E --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some success - need some guidance Flores/Sao Miguel
Hi Ronnie, The normal donation to have a Mass said in the parish where I attend is $10. So I think that any where in the $10-$20 range would be fine. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie French Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:14 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some success - need some guidance Flores/Sao Miguel Celeste, can you give a ballpark idea of how much of a memorial donation might be appropriate. I am unfamiliar with what would be satisfactory. A range would be more than helpful. Ronnie - Original Message - From: celeste perry mailto:ccgran...@yahoo.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some success - need some guidance Flores/Sao Miguel I found that even not knowing anyone in the parish, my offer of a donation in memory of the person I searched led some priests to find the time to allow me to look at the records for the years that were not filmed or sent to the archives. Those would be the church records forward from about 1900. Celeste Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some success - need some guidance Flores/Sao Miguel To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 4:28 PM John, OK, that's why I've never had success. :( Cheri BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fall River Obituary Index
Hi Jesse, I was not aware of this index and it just helped me find the date a great aunt died. Thanks Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:33 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fall River Obituary Index Hi. I'm sure a lot of you probably know about this already but I wanted to share this useful link while I was thinking about it just in case there were some who didn't know: http://www.sailsinc.org/fallriver/research.html#obit The Fall River Library has a partial index to obituaries published in the Fall River Herald. It has helped me find many ancestors. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CABRAL JANEIRO
Hi Eliseu, I just checked my Santissimo Salvador Records and it is not there. It must be in NS Estrela or maybe in NS Conceicao. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:11 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CABRAL JANEIRO Hi group, Trying to help an old lady from Brasil. Does anyone have any information about: Manuel Cabral Janeiro married to Capitolina Júlia around 1877 probably in RIBEIRA GRANDE. They had Maria da Glória around 1878. They went to Brasil. eliseu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
