Re: Good mail server?
iMS-SE is available for $250 and works with CF, ASP and many other products. It includes all of the advanced features of our full iMS product. Version 2.2 (soon-to-be-relased free upgrade) will also include the ability to track bounced emails dynamically as well. You can see a comparison of iMS to other products here: http://www.coolfusion.com/imssecomparison.cfm BTW - the House of Fusion lists all run on iMS HTH, -- Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. - www.CoolFusion.com - 631-737-4668 x101 inFusion Mail Server (iMS) - The Award-winning, Intelligent Mail Server >>> Find out how iMS Stacks up to the competition: >http://www.coolfusion.com/imssecomparison.cfm - Original Message - From: "Phillip Broussard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Good mail server? > I need a good simple and of course as close to free as possible. I have > some CF and ASP apps that need to send email. It's only going to be used > for a small amount of email and I would hate to have to spend a lot of > money on it. > > It needs to be for Win2K but of course that won't help me much in the > free/cheap area though. *sigh* > > Thanks, > > Phillip Broussard > Tracker Marine Group > 417-873-5957 > > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Good mail server?
I need a good simple and of course as close to free as possible. I have some CF and ASP apps that need to send email. It's only going to be used for a small amount of email and I would hate to have to spend a lot of money on it. It needs to be for Win2K but of course that won't help me much in the free/cheap area though. *sigh* Thanks, Phillip Broussard Tracker Marine Group 417-873-5957 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
I'm just curious, why are we freaking out about this? My CF Studio 5 is working just fine, if need be I can write VTML tags for all the new stuff MX will have and I'm gold. There's very few things I really don't like about CF Studio, so why am I worried if Macromedia wants to update their stuff to handle everything under the sun? I've purchased CF Studio, they're not coming to take it away, I don't wanna use DWMX, so I'm not. seems like a lot of energy has been spent on this. My $0.02 John Venable Director of Web Architecture, Epilepsy Foundation -Original Message- From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? From: "Robert Everland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or better yet, Macromedia can give CF back to Allaire, then the newly formed > allaire can give Jrun back to the makers who made that. The suggestion was to bring Nick Bradbury back into the loop in partnership with MM. I think this was in response to a post by Nick (quoted on this list, can't find it now) who seemed - understandably! - dismayed that CF Studio / HomeSite was being relegated to being just part of the DWMX bundle, with dubious prospects for future development (i.e. hand-coders successfully pester MM into making DWMX *passable* as a hand-coding tool, and HS+ is quietly dumped several versions along). Sarcastically misreading this as a suggestion that Allaire - which doesn't exist anymore! - is resurrected doesn't really add to the debate on what is to me, and I guess a lot of people, a crucial issue. Again, I can't see a reason for MM *not* to at least seriously look into the 'Coder MX' idea. With the user base for HS/CFStudio, plus the obvious good input happening in MM with the MX releases, they could develop a coding tool that would: - More than satisfy disgruntled CF hand-coders - More than satisfy a whole load of other coders - Be a serious, non-aligned (or "not-quite-as-aligned-as" ;-) rival to Visual Studio .NET (which I've heard nothing raves about) as an all-round hand-coders web IDE - Make them more money than just bolting stuff onto HS+ which is bundled in with DWMX and probably never used by the majority of DWMX customers I was initially impressed by DWMX, but in the end I'm back with CF Studio. DWMX is just too integrated for it's own good - jack of all trades, master of one (WYSIWYG design). I *would* go and fill in a form at the MM site, but I think there's only a "feature request" form, no "application request" form ;-) - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
From: "Robert Everland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or better yet, Macromedia can give CF back to Allaire, then the newly formed > allaire can give Jrun back to the makers who made that. The suggestion was to bring Nick Bradbury back into the loop in partnership with MM. I think this was in response to a post by Nick (quoted on this list, can't find it now) who seemed - understandably! - dismayed that CF Studio / HomeSite was being relegated to being just part of the DWMX bundle, with dubious prospects for future development (i.e. hand-coders successfully pester MM into making DWMX *passable* as a hand-coding tool, and HS+ is quietly dumped several versions along). Sarcastically misreading this as a suggestion that Allaire - which doesn't exist anymore! - is resurrected doesn't really add to the debate on what is to me, and I guess a lot of people, a crucial issue. Again, I can't see a reason for MM *not* to at least seriously look into the 'Coder MX' idea. With the user base for HS/CFStudio, plus the obvious good input happening in MM with the MX releases, they could develop a coding tool that would: - More than satisfy disgruntled CF hand-coders - More than satisfy a whole load of other coders - Be a serious, non-aligned (or "not-quite-as-aligned-as" ;-) rival to Visual Studio .NET (which I've heard nothing raves about) as an all-round hand-coders web IDE - Make them more money than just bolting stuff onto HS+ which is bundled in with DWMX and probably never used by the majority of DWMX customers I was initially impressed by DWMX, but in the end I'm back with CF Studio. DWMX is just too integrated for it's own good - jack of all trades, master of one (WYSIWYG design). I *would* go and fill in a form at the MM site, but I think there's only a "feature request" form, no "application request" form ;-) - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: rds :: cf 5.0 :: localhost
got it. just had to move the main dir inside the cfide dir. thanks Mike! -paul __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
DWMX -V > -Original Message- > From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:45 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder > > > I use CF Studio 5 and I do not see a "History palette". > Which product has > it? > > Chris Lofback > Sr. Web Developer > > TRX Integration > 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C > Clearwater, FL 33761 > www.trxi.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder > > > History palette. And you can save steps as a command, though > sometimes it > can't necessarily save all the steps you might want as one > package (depends > on the combo), you can usually save smaller packages then use them in > sequence. > > See if that helps do what you're looking for. > > Vernon Viehe > Community Manager > Macromedia, Inc. > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
I use CF Studio 5 and I do not see a "History palette". Which product has it? Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder History palette. And you can save steps as a command, though sometimes it can't necessarily save all the steps you might want as one package (depends on the combo), you can usually save smaller packages then use them in sequence. See if that helps do what you're looking for. Vernon Viehe Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Studio/DWMX comparisons
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Re: IsCurrency? Or safely removing currency format?
I am not sure how CF or the browser deals with comma delimited lists when the data itself contains commas. You may be stuck, unless you place an identifying character after each data element. If you add a * after each element, then your returned list would look like: $123*,123*,$34,234*,885* With this, setup, your delimiter becomes "*," rather than just ",". Once you've gotten this far, you can use a ListChangeDelims to change the delimiters to something more friendly. Then you can do the replace on the "," in the data and also on the last "*". After you are all finished, you can change the delimiters back to commas if you wish to make life easier on the developers (why do that?). Kevin >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/07/02 09:34AM >>> I have a situation where a number of numeric values will be passed to an action page. SOME of these values will be in various forms of currency format: i.e. $12,345.00 $1234 1,234.00 However, the Dollar sign, and comma (thousand separator) cause grief when entering these values into a database. The VAL function does not handle these properly. I cannot apply the DecimalFormat function - these values are not seen as numbers - IsNumeric fails on them. So, I wrote a routine to remove the dollar sign, and commas, then do IsNumeric on all form elements. If it was numeric, then I returned the "raw" number. Otherwise, I return the original value. However, this fails when we are dealing with lists of numbers. For instance, if I have two check boxes, same name, different numeric values, then a value like "1,2" is passed to the action page for the form field. In this particular case, removing the comma is BAD. However, I need to run this routine from Application.cfm to minimize impact/development time (large team of developers). Can anyone offer any insights or suggestions for this matter? Thanks bunches. Shawn Grover __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
Ade: I use the macro recorder in Programmer's File Editor (PFE), which is also a fantastic all-around text editor with many great features and options. It is freeware but further development has been discontinued. You can still get it at this URL: http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ When you start PFE, there's a red button on the button bar with a cassette and play/record icons. Click the button to turn on recording, do your keystroke sequence, then click the button again to stop recording. Pressing F7 then replays all the keystrokes you recorded. With a little practice, you can do *astonishing* things with it. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder I get ya! :O) 20 - 50 times, I take it you haven't done a big ol' text heavy site that needed 100+ things separated. RSI soon kicks in :O) Have you got an example of an ide/editor with a marco recorder, free if possible? Ade __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: DWMX Gripe or
I wanted to ask that this thread and all of the others that are specific to Studio and DWMX be moved to the studio list. I know some may not want to be on *another* list but that list has existed specifically for this for the last year or three. If all the requests, gripes, suggestions and talk is there than there's little chance that something will be missed because of the standard CF-Talk posts. Thanks At 01:23 PM 5/7/02, you wrote: >There's a preference setting for that: > >Edit > Preferences > Code Format > >Centering: Use CENTER tag > >HTH. -V > >> -Original Message- >> From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:16 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: DWMX Gripe or >> >> >> I have found myself quite irritated by DWMX, in that it still puts a >> in design mode whenever you want a center alignment in >> your cell. >> Is there a really good reason to have it this way? Why not >> just use > align="center"> and be done with it? I guess this is another >> reason I do >> not like a visual editor in place of hand coding, but I was >> hoping that >> it could speed things along a little bit in the design arena. >> >> >> >> >> Douglas Brown >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons
Hi Chris, The current Flash panel is just like task list (I never used the previous one! - I just loved the Flash addition!) but I know that there are some features which are being considered for next release. What I like about the Sitespring add-on is that you can tie in with its version control, but using Site definitions etc I think Version Control is quite a bit ommission from DW but the fact that it comes with Sitespring is good. - N __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
I have to disagree with this Jeffry. MM HAS stated continued support for CF Studio by coming out with Homesite+ - which, as I understand it, is the next CF Studio with a different name. It just so happens that DWMX is at release candidate stage, whereas Homesite+ is not. So we've only seen one side of the fence thus far. Not having any affiliation to MM, or Allaire even, other than using CF Studio for my work, my thoughts here would be to see what Homesite+ is like before assuming we are being abandoned. If Homesite+ doesn't cut it, or get released, then, I'd fully support that view. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? The direction of abandoning the HomeSite / CF Studio codebase. I remember when the merger happened a lot of people get up on soapboxes and saying "We won't abandon you." "CF Studio is not going away" "We understand that coders and designers have different needs and plan to continue to offer two separate products" and other similar such things. I was dubious before, with good reason, apparently. We are being abandoned, CF Studio is going away, and Macromedia doesn't understand the differences between the needs of coders and designers. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Or better yet, Macromedia can give CF back to Allaire, then the newly formed allaire can give Jrun back to the makers who made that. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? >> My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick >> Bradbury and license him to develop a MM partnered version > > What a great idea. Out of all the programs I use for web development I > think Top Style is one of the best designed. I would love to see what > would happen if Nick Bradbury got his hands back on cfstudio. I'll second that! TopStyle seems to be a real progression from HomeSite in the thoughtfulness of its design. If Nick's got the spare time, give him a team and a budget and make "Macromedia Coder MX" the hand-coder's dream. It has always had a market beyond CF coders, too. Can't see a reason not to do it - the market's obviously there, so the old bottom line has nothing to worry about. MM happy, developers happy. Good, no? - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: DWMX Gripe or
There's a preference setting for that: Edit > Preferences > Code Format Centering: Use CENTER tag HTH. -V > -Original Message- > From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:16 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: DWMX Gripe or > > > I have found myself quite irritated by DWMX, in that it still puts a > in design mode whenever you want a center alignment in > your cell. > Is there a really good reason to have it this way? Why not > just use align="center"> and be done with it? I guess this is another > reason I do > not like a visual editor in place of hand coding, but I was > hoping that > it could speed things along a little bit in the design arena. > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OT: Java/J2EE development tool ??
Integrate Jikes ,Ant ,JBoss ,Tomcat ,Apache ,JUnit ,Perl ,CVS with Visual SlickEdit On Tue, 7 May 2002, Sean McCarthy wrote: > Here is our wish list of capabilities we need in a Java/J2EE development > environment. Ideally, we would be able to find all of these in one tool. > However, if we need to integrate a few tools, we're willing to do that. > > These capabilities are required: > 1) Debugging -- > a) Interactive > b) Remote integration with the app server, ie JRun. > 2) Pluggable JDK > 3) Incremental Compilation > 4) Repository Integration > > These capabilities are desirable: > 1) CASE Tool Integration > 2) Analytical Support -- > a) Bridges analysis and design > b) Message and object cross-reference > 3) XML > a) Support for SOAP > b) Support for WSDL > 4) Third-Party Support > a) Libraries > b) Plug-ins > c) Widgets > > Thanks for your insight > > Sean > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?)
Tell them to step out of the 70s and into the new century. VI is unix's notepad and IMO useless if you're dealing with anything larger than a config file or script. On Tue, 7 May 2002, Van Vliet, Scott wrote: > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Perhaps it's only my take on things, but I don't feel this way Chris. I'm not feeling insecure, or left in the code. My efforts here are only intended to discuss parts that are missing from DWMX that CF Studio users feel are critical. Or the paradigm shift in how to think about our applications. As for MM's response, I'm seeing a healthy discussion - even though it seems that some folks at MM don't quite understand what the fuss is about. That's fine - that's the purpose behind a discussion - to share a viewpoint and promote understanding. And I think with Ben Forta's post on behalf of Dave Deming shows that our thoughts ARE being considered. But we all have to be realistic - MM has a product they are pushing hard to get to market. They are at release candidate stage. And THEN we hit them with this discussion... what should they do? Drop the product? Delay delivery to address these issues? No, that would be a bad business move. So they are approaching it correctly I think, thus far... Deliver the best product to meet the current requirements. Then integrate the issues resulting from this discussion into the requirements, and develop the next version to address these issues. This is a good project model. We have to give them time to get there. However, we will have to see if these issues are in fact addressed. If not, then I for one will likely not bother upgrading down the road... But then again, I don't really have that choice either - my client's make that choice for me. If they don't specify a tool, then I'm free to choose my own, otherwise, I have to use what they want. In that case, it makes sense for me to be aware of the other tools, and how to get the job done there. That's my take. No real cares about the tools per se, but how the tools help me with my job. I see some limitations (as well as some great features) in the current DWMX. But as a coder, Studio is still my tool of choice. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In th
RE: DWMX Gripe or
If you look in the properties inspector when you have your cursor in that tag there is a drop down box for vertical and horizontal alignment, I use that all the time and is pretty quick. Ben -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: DWMX Gripe or I have found myself quite irritated by DWMX, in that it still puts a in design mode whenever you want a center alignment in your cell. Is there a really good reason to have it this way? Why not just use and be done with it? I guess this is another reason I do not like a visual editor in place of hand coding, but I was hoping that it could speed things along a little bit in the design arena. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons
Neil, Does the Sitespring integration go beyond that of a task list like the current add on? If so, how? I am investigating getting Sitespring for my group and this looks advantageous. "Sitespring Integration (one heck of an addition, if only the panel was dockable)" __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
rds :: cf 5.0 :: localhost
for some reason i cant get rds to work with either localhost or 127.0.0.1 i never ran into this before. this in for my local copy of cf-server 5 & studio 5 but has been going on since i installed dwmx & cfservermx any ideas would be great -paul __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons
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RE: Feature request: macro recorder
History palette. And you can save steps as a command, though sometimes it can't necessarily save all the steps you might want as one package (depends on the combo), you can usually save smaller packages then use them in sequence. See if that helps do what you're looking for. Vernon Viehe Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
DWMX Gripe or
I have found myself quite irritated by DWMX, in that it still puts a in design mode whenever you want a center alignment in your cell. Is there a really good reason to have it this way? Why not just use and be done with it? I guess this is another reason I do not like a visual editor in place of hand coding, but I was hoping that it could speed things along a little bit in the design arena. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons
Okay, Here is a set of DWMX features I like. One which stands out is Full OS 10.1 and Windows XP support. Colour coding > for ActionScript and others Studio doesn't. Server code libraries for ASP, ASP.NET, JSP, and PHP (for those of us who dont use these a lot!) JSP Tag Library Support Full JavaBean Introspection Web Services Introspection for .NET ColdFusion, and Java XML Editing and Validation ColdFusion Component Support (though HS+ has this now) Sitespring Integration (one heck of an addition, if only the panel was dockable) Oh and of course an integrated HomeSite 5 and ColdFusion Studio 5 bundle ;-) - N Neil Clark Team Macromedia http://www.macromedia.com/go/team Announcing Macromedia MX!! http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial/. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
>> My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick >> Bradbury and license him to develop a MM partnered version > > What a great idea. Out of all the programs I use for web development I > think Top Style is one of the best designed. I would love to see what > would happen if Nick Bradbury got his hands back on cfstudio. I'll second that! TopStyle seems to be a real progression from HomeSite in the thoughtfulness of its design. If Nick's got the spare time, give him a team and a budget and make "Macromedia Coder MX" the hand-coder's dream. It has always had a market beyond CF coders, too. Can't see a reason not to do it - the market's obviously there, so the old bottom line has nothing to worry about. MM happy, developers happy. Good, no? - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
cf certification
How close a representation are the questions on www.cfcertification.com to the actual test? What about the CF study guides? Cheers Ade Adrian Lynch -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.co.uk/ Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- New Zealand http://www.thoughtbubble.co.nz/ Ph: +64 (0) 9 488 9131 The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
>My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury >and license him to develop a MM partnered version of, say "Studio MX" - >which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing >to "upgrade" to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping >developers (surely the front-line salespeople for the CF product to >clients) happy in the bargain. What a great idea. Out of all the programs I use for web development I think Top Style is one of the best designed. I would love to see what would happen if Nick Bradbury got his hands back on cfstudio. -- Garrett Hrncir Web Technology Jackson Lewis __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: onload
I think you want to use window.open('http://127.0.0.1/index.cfm');
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RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons
Agreed and I volunteer to listen, I'm sure Vernon will too... Christine -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons Michael, An excellent suggestion. -mk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Studio/DWMX comparisons The topic of our editing environment of choice is one of great emotion and pride. It's also one that can be looked at logically. There are people who swear by Studio. There are those that swear by DW. There are those who use both. How about a comparison of features. Studio has RDS which I love. DW has something else. What's the difference between them? Lets write it down side by side. What's the difference in expression writing? lets write it down. Same for every feature that we know and love. If you love the feature you should be able to write a paragraph or two about it. Macromedia has shown in the past that they'll listen to community requests so I think that they will listen now. Michael Dinowitz Publisher: Fusion Authority weekly news alert (www.fusionauthority.com/alert) Listmaster: CF-Talk, CF-Jobs, Spectra-Talk, Jrun-Talk, etc. (www.houseoffusion.com) __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
CF North Was great
Just wanted to thank Kevin & Byron, and all the speakers for a great weekend at CFNorth. It was Long hours but it was fun!!! To those that missed it make sure you go next year. mike __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: onload
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RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Right behind ya on that one boss :O) -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine Thanks for the response. I guess my own reply would be to back-up what Dave (Hannum) has just posted - with the fact that why should I upgrade all my developers to DWMX when I'm already having to upgrade my designers to FLASHMX? It will "confuse" them into thinking that they should be "designing" (yeah I know it's an over-simplification and a little rude to my coder staff, but the point is...) when I pay five people to design for them. For pure coders/developers why not extract "HomeSite+" from DWMX - as CF Coder MX - CFStudioMX or whatever - and get us "coders" to pay for it... I'm sure fiscally MM will make more money this way (if that's the bottom line)... I know I will be happier to part with a 10x(plus)$150 dollar upgrade for this than for DWMX J -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 17:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Guys, I see your points, in my reply I didn't actually mean "get use to it", I more meant to say lets get some concrete feedback and I'll pass it on internally and you should pass it on through our web site. The thing is, I can't go and change Dreamweaver MX today to include the Windows explorer extension we had in Studio. BUT, if we can get all of your feedback organized and in more of a technical format (as Michael is also suggesting), then I can certainly pass it on and maybe we can get some of these features added in the future or through Dreamweaver extensions (note, I know nothing about these so I may be off on that one!). With Chris's point about being "leftovers", that really makes me sad and concerned. I have been very excited in the past few weeks with the preview release of CFMX, I think it's a very cool release and that's me personally - not because I work for MM. I can definitely see your point with training, the only suggestion I would have is to maybe use HomeSite + which has CFMX tag support. Then you'll have Dreamweaver MX and maybe you could ease your employees into it by doing the included tutorials in Help and on our site? That's just a quick off the top of my head idea - understand if it's not realistic :) Back to the point of being leftovers... just so you know, I actually watch this list and others, plus the Forums (this includes HomeSite) and then I pass on what I'm seeing from you guys - I'm not the only one who does this, Vernon does too. I even write a weekly report on what you guys are saying, we are seriously listening and we (because I'm from the CF community) are not leftovers. Keep in mind this is really the first round of our companies working together and combining the technologies, imagine what we can do with future releases - especially with your feedback. I hope that helps... Christine -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, Chris makes some valid and mute points please listen to him. To add to his perspective, here is my point of view: As a company owner with over 10 CF developers in the UK and NZ I came to use Cold Fusion back in the day when Nick Bradbury sold HomeSite 2.x to Allaire - and as I was one of the original beta-testers of HomeSite - you can guess which side of the fence I sit on. My company are currently beta-testing Flash and CF MX across the board and, while I have to admit that in the world of "so called" WYSIWYG software Dreamweaver has been by far the industry leader, dropping Studio will make me seriously consider which direction my company heads in the future. See it from our perspective; I've spent thousands of dollars on software and training my staff, why should I know have to spend more money buying "upgrades" that require me to re-train my staff. My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and licence him to develop a MM partnered version of, say "Studio MX" - which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing to "upgrade" to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping developers (surely the front-line salespeople for the CF product to clients) happy in the bargain Just a thought eh. J -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely value
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Why not have them as different packages? -Original Message- From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Isn't that where HomeSite + will come in? For those that don't do design? Plus you can turn off the design part and view just code if you like, just like in studio where you have the design tab. Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Dear Macormedia, Can't you just understand that there are LOTS of us out here that have no use for the design studio which Dreamweaver MX is? You know, some people can simply see a page layout in their head, and can code the page much faster than using the bulky interface that DWMX is. Why is it such a stretch to offer just the good ole CFStudio product? We've proven time and again we're willing to pay for a good product. CFStudio just makes good sense for a whole class of MM users. Call it CF Coder MX or something like that. But please don't force us to use DWMX. For example, here we have a design shop and we're installing a content management system across campus. Guess how much designing I'm going to be doing in my development work. Zero - zilch - nada - nothing! Why would I want to be slowed down by DWMX? I have no qualms about DWMX for designers and designers/developers who want and have use for such a product. But for pure coders/developers - it's just not the answer! Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: "Shawn Grover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Neil, this comment is t generalized. I myself really don't care what tool I use. I care that the tool I use be able to conform to how I work - not me conforming to the limitations/functions/procedures of the tool. I HAVE used Dreamweaver/UltraDev to develop a dynamic ASP site, and have done a quick eval of DWMX. And have no real complaints about the design side of things. But to make things work right, or optimize code, then I would have to go to code level. Dreamweaver was NOT a good tool for that level of work. It's looking like it is a better tool now with the MX version. But it still forces me to conform to how IT works, not it conforming to how I work. So, to say that I have never used Dreamweaver, and panicked that Studio was being axed is not accurate at all. Afterall, if I were concerned about Studio being axed, then I'd just keep using the current version - no axe there. In my opinion, and I do mean this politely, you need to reevaluate why some of us developers are expressing concerns. Nobody is saying that DW is a bad product - quite the contrary. I think everyone agrees that DW is an excellent tool - but geared towards Designers, not Coders. You yourself say you use BOTH DW and Studio - so, you should fully understand why this thread has continued for so long. I'm looking forward to the day I can use DW exclusivly, but until it conforms to how I work, and stops telling me how I "should" be working, I doubt I'll ever use it in that manner. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? >I know I sound like a DW-ite and that I am towing the Macromedia "party >line", but as a Dreamweaver and Studio user who has seen them evolve >over 4 odd years I can understand where its deficiencies arise and where >its strengths lie. The problem others are having is that they never >used Dreamweaver and were Studio-ites and panicked that Studio was being >axed. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Christine Thanks for the response. I guess my own reply would be to back-up what Dave (Hannum) has just posted - with the fact that why should I upgrade all my developers to DWMX when I'm already having to upgrade my designers to FLASHMX? It will "confuse" them into thinking that they should be "designing" (yeah I know it's an over-simplification and a little rude to my coder staff, but the point is...) when I pay five people to design for them. For pure coders/developers why not extract "HomeSite+" from DWMX - as CF Coder MX - CFStudioMX or whatever - and get us "coders" to pay for it... I'm sure fiscally MM will make more money this way (if that's the bottom line)... I know I will be happier to part with a 10x(plus)$150 dollar upgrade for this than for DWMX J -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 17:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Guys, I see your points, in my reply I didn't actually mean "get use to it", I more meant to say lets get some concrete feedback and I'll pass it on internally and you should pass it on through our web site. The thing is, I can't go and change Dreamweaver MX today to include the Windows explorer extension we had in Studio. BUT, if we can get all of your feedback organized and in more of a technical format (as Michael is also suggesting), then I can certainly pass it on and maybe we can get some of these features added in the future or through Dreamweaver extensions (note, I know nothing about these so I may be off on that one!). With Chris's point about being "leftovers", that really makes me sad and concerned. I have been very excited in the past few weeks with the preview release of CFMX, I think it's a very cool release and that's me personally - not because I work for MM. I can definitely see your point with training, the only suggestion I would have is to maybe use HomeSite + which has CFMX tag support. Then you'll have Dreamweaver MX and maybe you could ease your employees into it by doing the included tutorials in Help and on our site? That's just a quick off the top of my head idea - understand if it's not realistic :) Back to the point of being leftovers... just so you know, I actually watch this list and others, plus the Forums (this includes HomeSite) and then I pass on what I'm seeing from you guys - I'm not the only one who does this, Vernon does too. I even write a weekly report on what you guys are saying, we are seriously listening and we (because I'm from the CF community) are not leftovers. Keep in mind this is really the first round of our companies working together and combining the technologies, imagine what we can do with future releases - especially with your feedback. I hope that helps... Christine -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, Chris makes some valid and mute points please listen to him. To add to his perspective, here is my point of view: As a company owner with over 10 CF developers in the UK and NZ I came to use Cold Fusion back in the day when Nick Bradbury sold HomeSite 2.x to Allaire - and as I was one of the original beta-testers of HomeSite - you can guess which side of the fence I sit on. My company are currently beta-testing Flash and CF MX across the board and, while I have to admit that in the world of "so called" WYSIWYG software Dreamweaver has been by far the industry leader, dropping Studio will make me seriously consider which direction my company heads in the future. See it from our perspective; I've spent thousands of dollars on software and training my staff, why should I know have to spend more money buying "upgrades" that require me to re-train my staff. My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and licence him to develop a MM partnered version of, say "Studio MX" - which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing to "upgrade" to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping developers (surely the front-line salespeople for the CF product to clients) happy in the bargain Just a thought eh. J -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No long
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Isn't that where HomeSite + will come in? For those that don't do design? Plus you can turn off the design part and view just code if you like, just like in studio where you have the design tab. Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Dear Macormedia, Can't you just understand that there are LOTS of us out here that have no use for the design studio which Dreamweaver MX is? You know, some people can simply see a page layout in their head, and can code the page much faster than using the bulky interface that DWMX is. Why is it such a stretch to offer just the good ole CFStudio product? We've proven time and again we're willing to pay for a good product. CFStudio just makes good sense for a whole class of MM users. Call it CF Coder MX or something like that. But please don't force us to use DWMX. For example, here we have a design shop and we're installing a content management system across campus. Guess how much designing I'm going to be doing in my development work. Zero - zilch - nada - nothing! Why would I want to be slowed down by DWMX? I have no qualms about DWMX for designers and designers/developers who want and have use for such a product. But for pure coders/developers - it's just not the answer! Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: "Shawn Grover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Neil, this comment is t generalized. I myself really don't care what tool I use. I care that the tool I use be able to conform to how I work - not me conforming to the limitations/functions/procedures of the tool. I HAVE used Dreamweaver/UltraDev to develop a dynamic ASP site, and have done a quick eval of DWMX. And have no real complaints about the design side of things. But to make things work right, or optimize code, then I would have to go to code level. Dreamweaver was NOT a good tool for that level of work. It's looking like it is a better tool now with the MX version. But it still forces me to conform to how IT works, not it conforming to how I work. So, to say that I have never used Dreamweaver, and panicked that Studio was being axed is not accurate at all. Afterall, if I were concerned about Studio being axed, then I'd just keep using the current version - no axe there. In my opinion, and I do mean this politely, you need to reevaluate why some of us developers are expressing concerns. Nobody is saying that DW is a bad product - quite the contrary. I think everyone agrees that DW is an excellent tool - but geared towards Designers, not Coders. You yourself say you use BOTH DW and Studio - so, you should fully understand why this thread has continued for so long. I'm looking forward to the day I can use DW exclusivly, but until it conforms to how I work, and stops telling me how I "should" be working, I doubt I'll ever use it in that manner. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? >I know I sound like a DW-ite and that I am towing the Macromedia "party >line", but as a Dreamweaver and Studio user who has seen them evolve >over 4 odd years I can understand where its deficiencies arise and where >its strengths lie. The problem others are having is that they never >used Dreamweaver and were Studio-ites and panicked that Studio was being >axed. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Dear Macormedia, Can't you just understand that there are LOTS of us out here that have no use for the design studio which Dreamweaver MX is? You know, some people can simply see a page layout in their head, and can code the page much faster than using the bulky interface that DWMX is. Why is it such a stretch to offer just the good ole CFStudio product? We've proven time and again we're willing to pay for a good product. CFStudio just makes good sense for a whole class of MM users. Call it CF Coder MX or something like that. But please don't force us to use DWMX. For example, here we have a design shop and we're installing a content management system across campus. Guess how much designing I'm going to be doing in my development work. Zero - zilch - nada - nothing! Why would I want to be slowed down by DWMX? I have no qualms about DWMX for designers and designers/developers who want and have use for such a product. But for pure coders/developers - it's just not the answer! Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: "Shawn Grover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Neil, this comment is t generalized. I myself really don't care what tool I use. I care that the tool I use be able to conform to how I work - not me conforming to the limitations/functions/procedures of the tool. I HAVE used Dreamweaver/UltraDev to develop a dynamic ASP site, and have done a quick eval of DWMX. And have no real complaints about the design side of things. But to make things work right, or optimize code, then I would have to go to code level. Dreamweaver was NOT a good tool for that level of work. It's looking like it is a better tool now with the MX version. But it still forces me to conform to how IT works, not it conforming to how I work. So, to say that I have never used Dreamweaver, and panicked that Studio was being axed is not accurate at all. Afterall, if I were concerned about Studio being axed, then I'd just keep using the current version - no axe there. In my opinion, and I do mean this politely, you need to reevaluate why some of us developers are expressing concerns. Nobody is saying that DW is a bad product - quite the contrary. I think everyone agrees that DW is an excellent tool - but geared towards Designers, not Coders. You yourself say you use BOTH DW and Studio - so, you should fully understand why this thread has continued for so long. I'm looking forward to the day I can use DW exclusivly, but until it conforms to how I work, and stops telling me how I "should" be working, I doubt I'll ever use it in that manner. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? >I know I sound like a DW-ite and that I am towing the Macromedia "party >line", but as a Dreamweaver and Studio user who has seen them evolve >over 4 odd years I can understand where its deficiencies arise and where >its strengths lie. The problem others are having is that they never >used Dreamweaver and were Studio-ites and panicked that Studio was being >axed. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
session var size limit?
Is there a limit to a session variable's size? Is there a limit to the size of all session variables? Or is the only limit the amount of memory on the server? thanks, Chris Norloff __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
*LMAO* Steady steady ! Remember MM is American too We don't want them to alienate us with a special UK upgrade tax or something. Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:33 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) Yeah, but you got to remember that this list is 80%-90% American! :) J -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 17:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I thought everyone on this list understood sarcasm :) I guess this whole DWMX thing has just sucked the fun out of all of you! -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking? ) > > > Good grief !! > > I cant stand VI you people are glutten for punishment !! Don't you > know it's 2002 not 1960 ? > > Darren Adams > Web Developer > Mob:07759 956523 > Office:01252 556220 > > "Data + Structure = Information" > > -Original Message- > From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking?) > > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses > it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY > fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
I was not making an accusation, but rather saying it could easily be perceived that way (note my use of the words "appears","perception","percieved"). I'm sorry if the message Came across differently but I try to limit my use of smiley's. Also, I was using "your" as more of a Macromedia grouping and apparently didn't make that clear, therefore, I would like to apologize to Christine for that. I do however feel my message was valid. -- chris stoner -Original Message- From: Nathan Stanford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? My question for you Chris is can you Quote where Christine has said anything like... Get used to it? If your going to throw in an accusations please give a quoted example or two? Thanks, Nathan >> On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get >> used to it" -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said d
IsCurrency? Or safely removing currency format?
I have a situation where a number of numeric values will be passed to an action page. SOME of these values will be in various forms of currency format: i.e. $12,345.00 $1234 1,234.00 However, the Dollar sign, and comma (thousand separator) cause grief when entering these values into a database. The VAL function does not handle these properly. I cannot apply the DecimalFormat function - these values are not seen as numbers - IsNumeric fails on them. So, I wrote a routine to remove the dollar sign, and commas, then do IsNumeric on all form elements. If it was numeric, then I returned the "raw" number. Otherwise, I return the original value. However, this fails when we are dealing with lists of numbers. For instance, if I have two check boxes, same name, different numeric values, then a value like "1,2" is passed to the action page for the form field. In this particular case, removing the comma is BAD. However, I need to run this routine from Application.cfm to minimize impact/development time (large team of developers). Can anyone offer any insights or suggestions for this matter? Thanks bunches. Shawn Grover __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
Point taken, it's the end of the day and I am tired =( Have a good evening !! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:29 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I thought everyone on this list understood sarcasm :) I guess this whole DWMX thing has just sucked the fun out of all of you! -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking? ) > > > Good grief !! > > I cant stand VI you people are glutten for punishment !! > Don't you know it's 2002 not 1960 ? > > Darren Adams > Web Developer > Mob:07759 956523 > Office:01252 556220 > > "Data + Structure = Information" > > -Original Message- > From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking?) > > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses > it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY > fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
Yeah, but you got to remember that this list is 80%-90% American! :) J -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 17:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I thought everyone on this list understood sarcasm :) I guess this whole DWMX thing has just sucked the fun out of all of you! -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking? ) > > > Good grief !! > > I cant stand VI you people are glutten for punishment !! Don't you > know it's 2002 not 1960 ? > > Darren Adams > Web Developer > Mob:07759 956523 > Office:01252 556220 > > "Data + Structure = Information" > > -Original Message- > From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking?) > > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses > it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY > fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
PDA Application Tester
Can someone tell me a good desktop pda test app? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
I thought everyone on this list understood sarcasm :) I guess this whole DWMX thing has just sucked the fun out of all of you! -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking? ) > > > Good grief !! > > I cant stand VI you people are glutten for punishment !! > Don't you know it's 2002 not 1960 ? > > Darren Adams > Web Developer > Mob:07759 956523 > Office:01252 556220 > > "Data + Structure = Information" > > -Original Message- > From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking?) > > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses > it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY > fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
LOL | -Original Message- | From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:21 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | you thinking? ) | | | :q! | | rm -f /usr/bin/vi | | QED | | Ian | | -Original Message- | From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 17:19 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | you thinking? ) | | | Lol.. I was just thinking the same thing! | | | -Original Message- | | From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:16 AM | | To: CF-Talk | | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | | you thinking? ) | | | | | | I think it's time you got some new friends :-) | | | | Ian | | | | -Original Message- | | From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 | | To: CF-Talk | | Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you | | thinking?) | | | | | | I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses | | it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, | | they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. | | | | -- | | Scott Van Vliet | | Sempra Energy | | 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor | | Los Angeles, CA 90013 | | Tel > 213.244.5205 | | Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | | __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
I get ya! :O) 20 - 50 times, I take it you haven't done a big ol' text heavy site that needed 100+ things separated. RSI soon kicks in :O) Have you got an example of an ide/editor with a marco recorder, free if possible? Ade -Original Message- From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder Not without a lot of extra keystrokes. A macro recorder would let you record and replay the cut and paste keystrokes. Another example: I have a utility that gives me info about DB tables including a comma-delimited list of all the columns, like this: col1,col2,col3,col4,col5,col6,col7,col8,col9,col10 I want to code text inputs for each one so I copy this list into my CF template. With cut and paste, I have to manually separate the list items, then create the and paste it at the end of each, etc. If you have to do this ten (or twenty or fifty) times, it's a hassle. With a macro recorder, I could record the keystrokes that would do that whole process once, and then replay it for the rest. If you've never used a macro recorder for these tasks, you don't know what you're missing. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder Let me know if I'm wrong, but couldn't you do this with c+p anyway?? -Original Message- From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 16:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder Copy and paste and snippets don't solve the problem I'm talking about. For example, suppose I just coded 20 CFPARAMs for the form fields I'm passing into a template to insert into the DB. Next I need to use those same field names *again* to code the CFQUERYPARAMs for my insert statement. I can just make a copy of the CFPARAMs and, using a macro recorder, I record the keystrokes needed to convert one CFPARAM into a CFQUERYPARAM and then replay it on the rest of the CFPARAMs. This is just one example but there are many situations where I use a macro recorder to handle repetitive editing tasks. Snippets are great for inserting commonly-used code but they cannot record the keystrokes of a complex edit and reproduce it. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder At least... | -Original Message- | From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:42 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | or snippets? | | -Original Message- | From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 16:36 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) | | Ade | | -Original Message- | From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Feature request: macro recorder | | | Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? | | I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started | using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF | Studio), but to no avail! | | The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a | repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple | macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor | (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to | replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, | do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits | back into CF Studio. | | This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio | (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How | about it, MM? | | | __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?)
Just use notepad then. That's a text editor too... ;o) - Original Message - From: "Van Vliet, Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia vs Adobe ( How does it affect Dreamweaver?)
> Lawsuits are a standard in these days of intellectual > property. MM has a suit against Adobe. There will be an > appeal on the Adobe win. We'll all be dead and dust before > dollar one changes hands on this or any product is removed > from the shelves. > OK, MM employees are not supposed to comment on the lawsuit. But I can comment on Micheal's comment: BIG GRIN __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
Good grief !! I cant stand VI you people are glutten for punishment !! Don't you know it's 2002 not 1960 ? Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 To: CF-Talk Subject:Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
Please Read Again. > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses > it, loves it, I love CF Studio, and will probablly just use 4.5.2 for the rest of my CF'in days. Besides, I have tons of friends, I swear! ;) -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:16 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking? ) > > > I think it's time you got some new friends :-) > > Ian > > -Original Message- > From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you > thinking?) > > > I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses > it, loves it, > and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY > fast at coding > with it. > > -- > Scott Van Vliet > Sempra Energy > 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor > Los Angeles, CA 90013 > Tel > 213.244.5205 > Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Hi Guys, I see your points, in my reply I didn't actually mean "get use to it", I more meant to say lets get some concrete feedback and I'll pass it on internally and you should pass it on through our web site. The thing is, I can't go and change Dreamweaver MX today to include the Windows explorer extension we had in Studio. BUT, if we can get all of your feedback organized and in more of a technical format (as Michael is also suggesting), then I can certainly pass it on and maybe we can get some of these features added in the future or through Dreamweaver extensions (note, I know nothing about these so I may be off on that one!). With Chris's point about being "leftovers", that really makes me sad and concerned. I have been very excited in the past few weeks with the preview release of CFMX, I think it's a very cool release and that's me personally - not because I work for MM. I can definitely see your point with training, the only suggestion I would have is to maybe use HomeSite + which has CFMX tag support. Then you'll have Dreamweaver MX and maybe you could ease your employees into it by doing the included tutorials in Help and on our site? That's just a quick off the top of my head idea - understand if it's not realistic :) Back to the point of being leftovers... just so you know, I actually watch this list and others, plus the Forums (this includes HomeSite) and then I pass on what I'm seeing from you guys - I'm not the only one who does this, Vernon does too. I even write a weekly report on what you guys are saying, we are seriously listening and we (because I'm from the CF community) are not leftovers. Keep in mind this is really the first round of our companies working together and combining the technologies, imagine what we can do with future releases - especially with your feedback. I hope that helps... Christine -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, Chris makes some valid and mute points please listen to him. To add to his perspective, here is my point of view: As a company owner with over 10 CF developers in the UK and NZ I came to use Cold Fusion back in the day when Nick Bradbury sold HomeSite 2.x to Allaire - and as I was one of the original beta-testers of HomeSite - you can guess which side of the fence I sit on. My company are currently beta-testing Flash and CF MX across the board and, while I have to admit that in the world of "so called" WYSIWYG software Dreamweaver has been by far the industry leader, dropping Studio will make me seriously consider which direction my company heads in the future. See it from our perspective; I've spent thousands of dollars on software and training my staff, why should I know have to spend more money buying "upgrades" that require me to re-train my staff. My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and licence him to develop a MM partnered version of, say "Studio MX" - which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing to "upgrade" to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping developers (surely the front-line salespeople for the CF product to clients) happy in the bargain Just a thought eh. J -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
Not without a lot of extra keystrokes. A macro recorder would let you record and replay the cut and paste keystrokes. Another example: I have a utility that gives me info about DB tables including a comma-delimited list of all the columns, like this: col1,col2,col3,col4,col5,col6,col7,col8,col9,col10 I want to code text inputs for each one so I copy this list into my CF template. With cut and paste, I have to manually separate the list items, then create the and paste it at the end of each, etc. If you have to do this ten (or twenty or fifty) times, it's a hassle. With a macro recorder, I could record the keystrokes that would do that whole process once, and then replay it for the rest. If you've never used a macro recorder for these tasks, you don't know what you're missing. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder Let me know if I'm wrong, but couldn't you do this with c+p anyway?? -Original Message- From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 16:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder Copy and paste and snippets don't solve the problem I'm talking about. For example, suppose I just coded 20 CFPARAMs for the form fields I'm passing into a template to insert into the DB. Next I need to use those same field names *again* to code the CFQUERYPARAMs for my insert statement. I can just make a copy of the CFPARAMs and, using a macro recorder, I record the keystrokes needed to convert one CFPARAM into a CFQUERYPARAM and then replay it on the rest of the CFPARAMs. This is just one example but there are many situations where I use a macro recorder to handle repetitive editing tasks. Snippets are great for inserting commonly-used code but they cannot record the keystrokes of a complex edit and reproduce it. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder At least... | -Original Message- | From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:42 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | or snippets? | | -Original Message- | From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 16:36 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) | | Ade | | -Original Message- | From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Feature request: macro recorder | | | Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? | | I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started | using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF | Studio), but to no avail! | | The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a | repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple | macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor | (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to | replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, | do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits | back into CF Studio. | | This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio | (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How | about it, MM? | | | __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
:q! rm -f /usr/bin/vi QED Ian -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) Lol.. I was just thinking the same thing! | -Original Message- | From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:16 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | you thinking? ) | | | I think it's time you got some new friends :-) | | Ian | | -Original Message- | From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you | thinking?) | | | I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses | it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, | they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. | | -- | Scott Van Vliet | Sempra Energy | 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor | Los Angeles, CA 90013 | Tel > 213.244.5205 | Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
Lol.. I was just thinking the same thing! | -Original Message- | From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:16 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | you thinking? ) | | | I think it's time you got some new friends :-) | | Ian | | -Original Message- | From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you | thinking?) | | | I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses | it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, | they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. | | -- | Scott Van Vliet | Sempra Energy | 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor | Los Angeles, CA 90013 | Tel > 213.244.5205 | Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
Don't listen to him, he's often seen reading hex and binary :OP -Original Message- From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I think it's time you got some new friends :-) Ian -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BUG CF 5.0 with CFLOOP & enablecfoutputonly
ok take 2:-)
i have been tearing my hair out on a bug for a while and i think i found
a bug
in cf 5.0, if people could try this out it would be cool
it works correctly in MX btw
basically, i believe enablecfoutputonly is broken with cfloop, an extra
space is added after a cfoutput, there are simple workarounds listed
below, but they don't work for complex code unless you removed all
whitespace inside the cfloop between tags
i hope with MX and all that if this bug is a bug that macromedia fixes
it :-)
zac
demonstration code follows:
---code starts snip :-) ---
CFLOOP & enablecfoutputonly BUG whitespace testcase
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first the application.cfm is only
#Htmlcodeformat('')#
first line of the template is
#Htmlcodeformat('')#
this doesn't work space inserted
#Htmlcodeformat('
*
')#
*
this works because of the 's'
#Htmlcodeformat('
*s
')#
*s
this doesn't work because of the space between the two cfoutputs
#Htmlcodeformat('
g
*')#
g
*
this works because of no spaces between the two cfoutputs
#Htmlcodeformat('
g*')#
g*
---sample output-
CFLOOP & enablecfoutputonly BUG whitespace testcase
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first the application.cfm is only
first line of the template is
this doesn't work space inserted
*
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
this works because of the 's'
*s
this doesn't work because of the space between the two cfoutputs
g
*
g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *g *
this works because of no spaces between the two cfoutputs
g*
g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*g*
output finished--
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RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )
I think it's time you got some new friends :-) Ian -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?)
I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel > 213.244.5205 Email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
At 08:55 AM 5/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is > > somewhat benign, but > > if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) > > of Macromedia, > > you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit > > worried and/or > > frustrated with the situation. > >What direction? A new version of ColdFusion? Greater support in >Dreamweaver for application coding? Rolling all the Studio features into >HomeSite? I'm not sure I understand your perception of our direction. Can >you illuminate this a bit? The direction of abandoning the HomeSite / CF Studio codebase. I remember when the merger happened a lot of people get up on soapboxes and saying "We won't abandon you." "CF Studio is not going away" "We understand that coders and designers have different needs and plan to continue to offer two separate products" and other similar such things. I was dubious before, with good reason, apparently. We are being abandoned, CF Studio is going away, and Macromedia doesn't understand the differences between the needs of coders and designers. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com -- Will I be on the streets tomorrow, Will I have to beg and Borrow Will I have to go back to the job I left behind? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
BUG CF 5.0 with CFLOOP & enablecfoutputonly
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RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Maybe, just maybe, I'll try Homesite+, but > I guess it all > depends upon what gets sent as part of our subscription > program, doesn't it? > > Pete My friends in customer service have told me that if you're subscribed to CF Studio subscription, you will receive DWMX as part of your subscription. Vernon Viehe Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Neil, this comment is t generalized. I myself really don't care what tool I use. I care that the tool I use be able to conform to how I work - not me conforming to the limitations/functions/procedures of the tool. I HAVE used Dreamweaver/UltraDev to develop a dynamic ASP site, and have done a quick eval of DWMX. And have no real complaints about the design side of things. But to make things work right, or optimize code, then I would have to go to code level. Dreamweaver was NOT a good tool for that level of work. It's looking like it is a better tool now with the MX version. But it still forces me to conform to how IT works, not it conforming to how I work. So, to say that I have never used Dreamweaver, and panicked that Studio was being axed is not accurate at all. Afterall, if I were concerned about Studio being axed, then I'd just keep using the current version - no axe there. In my opinion, and I do mean this politely, you need to reevaluate why some of us developers are expressing concerns. Nobody is saying that DW is a bad product - quite the contrary. I think everyone agrees that DW is an excellent tool - but geared towards Designers, not Coders. You yourself say you use BOTH DW and Studio - so, you should fully understand why this thread has continued for so long. I'm looking forward to the day I can use DW exclusivly, but until it conforms to how I work, and stops telling me how I "should" be working, I doubt I'll ever use it in that manner. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? >I know I sound like a DW-ite and that I am towing the Macromedia "party >line", but as a Dreamweaver and Studio user who has seen them evolve >over 4 odd years I can understand where its deficiencies arise and where >its strengths lie. The problem others are having is that they never >used Dreamweaver and were Studio-ites and panicked that Studio was being >axed. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
Let me know if I'm wrong, but couldn't you do this with c+p anyway?? -Original Message- From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 16:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder Copy and paste and snippets don't solve the problem I'm talking about. For example, suppose I just coded 20 CFPARAMs for the form fields I'm passing into a template to insert into the DB. Next I need to use those same field names *again* to code the CFQUERYPARAMs for my insert statement. I can just make a copy of the CFPARAMs and, using a macro recorder, I record the keystrokes needed to convert one CFPARAM into a CFQUERYPARAM and then replay it on the rest of the CFPARAMs. This is just one example but there are many situations where I use a macro recorder to handle repetitive editing tasks. Snippets are great for inserting commonly-used code but they cannot record the keystrokes of a complex edit and reproduce it. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder At least... | -Original Message- | From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:42 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | or snippets? | | -Original Message- | From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 16:36 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) | | Ade | | -Original Message- | From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Feature request: macro recorder | | | Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? | | I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started | using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF | Studio), but to no avail! | | The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a | repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple | macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor | (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to | replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, | do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits | back into CF Studio. | | This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio | (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How | about it, MM? | | | __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
I've just seen several message which allude to the change in name, while it's not a hot point, I thought it might be good to put it out there that there was a conflict in product names, and so it was the HomeSite based CF & JR Studios, when rolled together, dropped the Studio and added a +. No big deal, prolly shouldn't have mentioned it, but with all the other hot stuff flying around, I thought I'd take a cool dip in something easy. ;) -Vern > -Original Message- > From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? > > > Okay, which point are you replying too? > > -Original Message- > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:54 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? > > > Just an FYI on one point... > > I think Macromedia dropped the Studio name on HomeSite+ > because Macromedia calls its bundles "Studio." So, this will > avoid confusion that CFStudio, isn't a Studio bundle. > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
My question for you Chris is can you Quote where Christine has said anything like... Get used to it? If your going to throw in an accusations please give a quoted example or two? Thanks, Nathan >> On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get >> used to it" -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said damnit i goofed and fixed it. ** Somewhat ironic as well - considering the amount of time I have to take on a regular basis hand editing DW files so they conform to our coding standards - sometimes I can't believe all the crap DW puts in the files my content people save to the site. But (sigh), I guess I'm just a careless RDS users (LOL). __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/co
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
Copy and paste and snippets don't solve the problem I'm talking about. For example, suppose I just coded 20 CFPARAMs for the form fields I'm passing into a template to insert into the DB. Next I need to use those same field names *again* to code the CFQUERYPARAMs for my insert statement. I can just make a copy of the CFPARAMs and, using a macro recorder, I record the keystrokes needed to convert one CFPARAM into a CFQUERYPARAM and then replay it on the rest of the CFPARAMs. This is just one example but there are many situations where I use a macro recorder to handle repetitive editing tasks. Snippets are great for inserting commonly-used code but they cannot record the keystrokes of a complex edit and reproduce it. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder At least... | -Original Message- | From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:42 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | or snippets? | | -Original Message- | From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 16:36 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) | | Ade | | -Original Message- | From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Feature request: macro recorder | | | Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? | | I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started | using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF | Studio), but to no avail! | | The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a | repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple | macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor | (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to | replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, | do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits | back into CF Studio. | | This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio | (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How | about it, MM? | | | __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Hi Mark et al I certainly only wanted to say what was my view (hence constant smilies and reference to M.O and IMHO etc ;-). I like passionate threads, in fact it works both ways - I am passionate about certain things and certain paths of development... but that does not mean to say it is correct - same goes for anyones opinion! That said, I enjoy threads like these - gets the noggin' working - Neil Neil Clark Team Macromedia http://www.macromedia.com/go/team Announcing Macromedia MX!! http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial/. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
CFEXECUTE
Hello all, I currently use CF as a backend email creator for around 1.2 million messages a month. The problem is time. I can generate 1000 per 5.8 minutes using cfmail. Obviously if you do the math, this is not very efficient. I have the ability to ship the messages out the door at over 100,000 per hour, that is 20 per second 1,200 per min. Now with all that said, here is my problem!!! I am using a C++ program to multi-thread the delivery of the messages to the mail server. So I generate a txt file, start the executable, and go on the message. I currently get 1000 per 1.3 min. not quite what I want, but getting there. The issue is that the cfexecute does not start every time. If I put a time out on it, it runs SSLLLOOOWWW, but fine. With out the time it starts the first 200 messages without a problem, but then it starts slacking off. For every 5000 calls of the cfexecute, around 1,400 don't start. With no processing going on the machine has 36 threads active, once I start the page, we get up around 85 for a max. Plenty of processor and memory left so it is not a machine limitation. Does CF have a limitation of how many threads it can start??? These are separate from CF itself, but I don't know if CF is trying to regulate how processes it has spawned. If anyone needs more information, or any clue as to what is going on, please let me know ASAP!!! And I want to thank all of you in advance for putting some thought into this one. Christian Watt __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
I'm gonna have to go out on a limb here (as a new comer, I've been trying to not get too rowdy...) > I an see why > everyone is getting a little rude here. I totally understand that we're talking about folks work environment, and I am sensitive to that. I expect passion around this issue. While I haven't seen anything that I saw as out-right rude, I have seen messages which expressed the passion one would expect when talking about your work environment. (However, the message here I'm responding to is as close to rude as it gets, because it seems like a skewing, if not misrepresentation, of fact). No > longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop > publishers/graphic > artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, > replace it with > something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types > and we are left > in the cold. Macromedia has worked hard to include hard-core developers in our "family" of customers. We have put ColdFusion at the center of nearly everything we have going. Our Designer & Developer Center actually has much more content for developers that it does artsy stuff for designers. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev > > On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been > more like "get > used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix > this situation". > We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my > customers, I > would be fired. I haven't seen anyone say anything of the sort. First, we've reiterated that HomeSite+, which contains the features of CFStudio, is included with Dreamweaver, and with a reasonably attractive upgrade path from Studio owners. Furthermore, we've stressed that we WANT to know what it will take to make DWMX a product you like using as your IDE, and asked that you let us know: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 Which brings me to my point. It appears at > first glance > that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, > we are just > leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security > even if it is > only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. This seems like a nebulous accusation, and it doesn't ring true with me. It seems to me that Macromedia is very heavily invested in ColdFusion and its community, and I'd like to know why it is you feel this way. > > We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is > somewhat benign, but > if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) > of Macromedia, > you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit > worried and/or > frustrated with the situation. What direction? A new version of ColdFusion? Greater support in Dreamweaver for application coding? Rolling all the Studio features into HomeSite? I'm not sure I understand your perception of our direction. Can you illuminate this a bit? Vernon Viehe Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Okay, which point are you replying too? -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Just an FYI on one point... I think Macromedia dropped the Studio name on HomeSite+ because Macromedia calls its bundles "Studio." So, this will avoid confusion that CFStudio, isn't a Studio bundle. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Just an FYI on one point... I think Macromedia dropped the Studio name on HomeSite+ because Macromedia calls its bundles "Studio." So, this will avoid confusion that CFStudio, isn't a Studio bundle. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
Brian: For some reason I can't send to your email address so I'll have to post to the list. The link is http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html. Although the article is 2 years old, the principles remain valid. Chris -Original Message- From: Brian Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: checkout exit survey Hello Chris, I looked all over UseIt.com for this article. Where did you find it? __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
At least... | -Original Message- | From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:42 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | or snippets? | | -Original Message- | From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 16:36 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder | | | would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) | | Ade | | -Original Message- | From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Feature request: macro recorder | | | Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? | | I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started | using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF | Studio), but to no avail! | | The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a | repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple | macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor | (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to | replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, | do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits | back into CF Studio. | | This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio | (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How | about it, MM? | | | __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Christine, Chris makes some valid and mute points please listen to him. To add to his perspective, here is my point of view: As a company owner with over 10 CF developers in the UK and NZ I came to use Cold Fusion back in the day when Nick Bradbury sold HomeSite 2.x to Allaire - and as I was one of the original beta-testers of HomeSite - you can guess which side of the fence I sit on. My company are currently beta-testing Flash and CF MX across the board and, while I have to admit that in the world of "so called" WYSIWYG software Dreamweaver has been by far the industry leader, dropping Studio will make me seriously consider which direction my company heads in the future. See it from our perspective; I've spent thousands of dollars on software and training my staff, why should I know have to spend more money buying "upgrades" that require me to re-train my staff. My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and licence him to develop a MM partnered version of, say "Studio MX" - which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing to "upgrade" to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping developers (surely the front-line salespeople for the CF product to clients) happy in the bargain Just a thought eh. J -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good pr
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
or snippets? -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 16:36 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) Ade -Original Message- From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: Feature request: macro recorder Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF Studio), but to no avail! The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits back into CF Studio. This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How about it, MM? __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Feature request: macro recorder
erm... Having looked at dwmx, there is such a thing under "commands" but it's grayed out... Paul - Original Message - From: "Adrian Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Feature request: macro recorder > would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) > > Ade > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Feature request: macro recorder > > > Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? > > I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started using the > original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF Studio), but to no avail! > > The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a repeateable > sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple macro recorder like the one > in Programmer's File Editor (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a > hot key to replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, do > the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits back into CF Studio. > > This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio (and the rest of > the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How about it, MM? > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
At 10:25 AM 5/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: >OK, so as I sit here reading these rants about DWMX and RDS - which is >great since it's apparently not what you CFers want - it makes me >wonder, since I haven't tried CFMX or DWMX, and I don't use RDS at all >but would like to eventually, when I figure out how - does RDS still >work with CFMX? It does. > If it does, then why isn't it in the DWMX? If it >doesn't, then why is it in CFMX? It is. Although, you have to create a site. You can't access RDS directly. >Can you use RDS on the server without >having it in your coding application (DWMX)? Yes, RDS can still be set up on the server no matter what you write your code in. If that wasn't what you asked, I didn't understand the question. >And then, if it is in CFMX, then why not just stay with CFStudio? I'm >sure that somebody will figure out how to make CFStudio 4.5 or 5.0 nice >to work with CFMX. I agree and I believe that someone will. The sooner the better. :) -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com -- Will I be on the streets tomorrow, Will I have to beg and Borrow Will I have to go back to the job I left behind? __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Feature request: macro recorder
would you bite my head off if I said copy and paste? :O) Ade -Original Message- From: Chris Lofback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: Feature request: macro recorder Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF Studio), but to no avail! The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits back into CF Studio. This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How about it, MM? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Agreed ;) But in all fairness to MM they have always listened in the past, but yea the GET USED TO IT type attitude is rude in its own right. But we can all play nice ;) so enough being rude and enough being told to deal with it and lets get down tomaking the MM customers happy :) (yea i know i smile too much, but i have a great job and a nice view life dont get much better) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: "Chris Stoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? > Christine, > > I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends > more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why > everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have > enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were > extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least > influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is > no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No > longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic > artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with > something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left > in the cold. > > On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get > used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". > We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I > would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance > that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just > leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is > only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. > > We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but > if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, > you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or > frustrated with the situation. > > > > C H R I S S T O N E R > > time warner cable > tampa bay division > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? > > > Hi Everyone, > I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil > is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an > employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been > using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to > yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and > Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days > and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know > Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out > again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post > your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... > However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages > and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is > organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, > I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: > please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority > of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this > list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one > another's opinions. > > I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... > > Christine Lawson > Macromedia Technical Support > > > -Original Message- > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? > > > *** you wrote * > OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem > right to me lol > we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp > of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this > style of doing it too. > Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to > access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site > and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said damnit i goofed and fixed it. > ** > > Somewhat ironic as well - considering the amount of time I have to take on a > regular basis hand editing DW files so they conform to our coding > standards - sometimes I can't believe al
Re: Macromedia vs Adobe ( How does it affect Dreamweaver?)
Lawsuits are a standard in these days of intellectual property. MM has a suit against Adobe. There will be an appeal on the Adobe win. We'll all be dead and dust before dollar one changes hands on this or any product is removed from the shelves. At 10:36 AM 5/7/02, you wrote: > Many of you know that Macromedia was sued by Adobe for infringement on >some patent that has to do with tabbed palettes. > > ( Here is an article on it all ) >http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020502/20405_1.html > > I've never used the Flash authoring tools, so I can't comment on how the >tabbed palettes compare to photoshop's tabbed palettes. > > However, I know that Dreamweaver MX uses a similar tabbed palette >concept. Is it going to be affected by the lawsuit? If so, maybe >Macromedia will have to give us CF Studio 6. : ha, ha: > > >-- >Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Need a Web Developer? Contact me! >AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 >-- >My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com >My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com >-- >Will I be on the streets tomorrow, Will I have to beg and Borrow >Will I have to go back to the job I left behind? > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
I have been developing with ColdFusion for several years. I have been using strictly CF Studio, Notepad, and Adobe Photoshop as my base tools. I too, was against GUI WYSIWYG tools such as FrontPage, UltraDev, Dreamweaver. I was concerned that CF Studio was no more and that I'd be forced to convert all my developers and non-team development resources to Dreamweaver. I discovered a few things that quelled my fears. Dreamweaver can be configured/customized by modifying the configuration XML files behind Dreamweaver. I also figured I would check out Homesite plus, expecting the Homesite of 3 or 4 versions ago, which was more like a CF Studio ultra lite. What I found was CF Studio 5.0 with the Homesite name, and a few minor additions. I was also informed that CF Studio subscriptions/license are carried over to Dreamweaver, which includes Homesite plus. The only thing to be aware of with Homesite plus, is that there will not be a huge development push behind it, (so I was told). Dreamweaver is the intended desktop development tool. As long as Homesite plus doesn't "go away" for some time, I'll be satisfied. I'm not, nor have I ever been an employee of Macromedia or Allaire. I have, however, been a 'client' and developer with Macromedia/Allaire for many years in many different environments. Macromedia is on a path that I think will, in the end, benefit everyone. I know I had been very worried about the roadmap and wondered if the developers were even taken into account with that roadmap. The answer appears to be yes, but the road is bumpy. Alex D -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed a relationship with Allaire that made us feel as if we were extremely valued, because we were. We were the primary (or at least influencers to the primary) source of revenue for allaire. Now, Allaire is no more. Macromedia has come in and apparently shifted that view. No longer are the coders paramount but rather the desktop publishers/graphic artist types. Now you (Macromedia) drop our favorite tool, replace it with something that is more geared to the WSYIWYG-S editor types and we are left in the cold. On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been more like "get used to it" rather then "let us see what we can do to fix this situation". We are not used to that. Hell, if I were to imply that to my customers, I would be fired. Which brings me to my point. It appears at first glance that the old group of developers are no longer your customer, we are just leftovers. You are hitting people in their sense of security even if it is only perception and saying or doing nothing to make us feel different. We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with the situation. C H R I S S T O N E R time warner cable tampa bay division [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said damnit i goofed and fixed it. ** Somewhat ironic as well - considering the amount of time I have to take on a regular basis hand editing DW files so they conform to our coding standards - sometimes I can't believe all the crap DW puts in the files my content people save to the site. But (sigh), I guess I'm just a careless RDS users (LOL). __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Studio/DWMX comparisons
Michael, An excellent suggestion. -mk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Studio/DWMX comparisons The topic of our editing environment of choice is one of great emotion and pride. It's also one that can be looked at logically. There are people who swear by Studio. There are those that swear by DW. There are those who use both. How about a comparison of features. Studio has RDS which I love. DW has something else. What's the difference between them? Lets write it down side by side. What's the difference in expression writing? lets write it down. Same for every feature that we know and love. If you love the feature you should be able to write a paragraph or two about it. Macromedia has shown in the past that they'll listen to community requests so I think that they will listen now. Michael Dinowitz Publisher: Fusion Authority weekly news alert (www.fusionauthority.com/alert) Listmaster: CF-Talk, CF-Jobs, Spectra-Talk, Jrun-Talk, etc. (www.houseoffusion.com) __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Studio/DWMX comparisons
The topic of our editing environment of choice is one of great emotion and pride. It's also one that can be looked at logically. There are people who swear by Studio. There are those that swear by DW. There are those who use both. How about a comparison of features. Studio has RDS which I love. DW has something else. What's the difference between them? Lets write it down side by side. What's the difference in expression writing? lets write it down. Same for every feature that we know and love. If you love the feature you should be able to write a paragraph or two about it. Macromedia has shown in the past that they'll listen to community requests so I think that they will listen now. Michael Dinowitz Publisher: Fusion Authority weekly news alert (www.fusionauthority.com/alert) Listmaster: CF-Talk, CF-Jobs, Spectra-Talk, Jrun-Talk, etc. (www.houseoffusion.com) __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Back Button WAS: RE: checkout exit survey
The one place I would like to use it, and we have coded around it with redirectors, is during a registration process. I agree that the user wants and needs the back button but there are limited places where the path needs to be forward only and you give them a programmatic way to get back and alter previously entered information. Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Jim Curran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey I find it horrible that developers still try to accomplish this. The back button is part of the user's environment, and altering its behavior in any way is troublesome. I make every application "back-button" friendly. Just my thoughts.. - j -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey I have seen and coded lots of partial solutions but I have yet to see the true back button killer. Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey H, I think my colleague just did that using Javascript ! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
> "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, Be careful when considering disabling the Back button--it's a serious problem from a usability perspective (which I happen to believe is critical for a successful web app/site). If you're interested, here's a little more info from noted usability expert Jakob Nielsen found in his "Top Ten New Mistakes of Web Design" Alertbox article at UseIt.com: "The Back button is the lifeline of the Web user and the second-most used navigation feature (after following hypertext links). Users happily know that they can try anything on the Web and always be saved by a click or two on Back to return them to familiar territory. Except, of course, for those sites that break Back by committing one of these design sins: * opening a new browser window * using an immediate redirect: every time the user clicks Back, the browser returns to a page that bounces the user forward to the undesired location * prevents caching such that the Back navigation requires a fresh trip to the server; all hypertext navigation should be sub-second and this goes double for backtracking" Full article at http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html and the full Alertbox archive at http://www.useit.com/alertbox/. I Good stuff that all designers and developers should know about, IMHO. Chris Lofback Sr. Web Developer TRX Integration 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C Clearwater, FL 33761 www.trxi.com -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
I find it horrible that developers still try to accomplish this. The back button is part of the user's environment, and altering its behavior in any way is troublesome. I make every application "back-button" friendly. Just my thoughts.. - j -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey I have seen and coded lots of partial solutions but I have yet to see the true back button killer. Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey H, I think my colleague just did that using Javascript ! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
Well I don't know how "true" it is , most likey he has just hid the buttons. Cant you sense for a back button press ala onKeyPress stylee ? Obviously it isn't a keyboard button but, surely you can get to it through the DOM somehow ? Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 16:11 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey I have seen and coded lots of partial solutions but I have yet to see the true back button killer. Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey H, I think my colleague just did that using Javascript ! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
also, people like myself tend to use the backspace as a means of going back, especially in pop-ups with no top nav Ade -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 16:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey I have seen and coded lots of partial solutions but I have yet to see the true back button killer. Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey H, I think my colleague just did that using Javascript ! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Thanks Mark :) -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, As one who has come close to the line of being rude (or perhaps HAVE been somewhat rude). I'd like to apologize. For some reason I feel pretty passionate about this particular topic. Mark -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said damnit i goofed and fixed it. ** Somewhat ironic as well - considering the amount of time I have to take on a regular basis hand editing DW files so they conform to our coding standards - sometimes I can't believe all the crap DW puts in the files my content people save to the site. But (sigh), I guess I'm just a careless RDS users (LOL). __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
I have seen and coded lots of partial solutions but I have yet to see the true back button killer. Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: checkout exit survey H, I think my colleague just did that using Javascript ! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: SQL query
thank you very much regards Mario - Original Message - From: "Dina Hess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: SQL query > > I need to choose a group of records from a table based in the > fact that a > > datetime field is not null . > > where date_variable IS NOT NULL > > ~ dina > > > > __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
H, I think my colleague just did that using Javascript ! Darren Adams Web Developer Mob:07759 956523 Office:01252 556220 "Data + Structure = Information" -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: checkout exit survey "I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: checkout exit survey
"I'll also disable the back button." This is my Holy Grail, how are you going to do it? Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: cf refactoring [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: checkout exit survey Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Christine, As one who has come close to the line of being rude (or perhaps HAVE been somewhat rude). I'd like to apologize. For some reason I feel pretty passionate about this particular topic. Mark -Original Message- From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own - not Macromedia's. Anyhow, I've been using CF Studio for a long time, I'm also one of the CF'ers Vernon spoke to yesterday and we went through the differences between CF Studio and Dreamweaver MX. I know a number of people on this list from the Allaire days and I (and everyone else at Macromedia) value *all* of your feedback. I know Vernon already pointed out the wishform, and yup, I'm going to point it out again :) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 PLEASE post your feedback, it really can help develop future versions of our products... However, I'm also going to go through each and every one of these messages and make my own summary of your wants/needs/opinions so your feedback is organized and clear. If I find something that can be done in Dreamweaver, I'll be sure to post with the steps. In the meantime I have one request: please, please, please, can we be polite when we post? I know the majority of people have been but Michael Dinowitz has been nice enough to host this list for us - we're all in the same boat here let's please respect one another's opinions. I hope this helps, now I'm on to organizing your feedback... Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you get alot of people yelling at MM saying OHHH because i was able to access files directly with RDS i fubared my whole site and i'm going to sue MM?? No they said damnit i goofed and fixed it. ** Somewhat ironic as well - considering the amount of time I have to take on a regular basis hand editing DW files so they conform to our coding standards - sometimes I can't believe all the crap DW puts in the files my content people save to the site. But (sigh), I guess I'm just a careless RDS users (LOL). __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
checkout exit survey
Our marketing department wants to know why people abandon the checkout process, so they've tasked IT with creating a survey which pops up when people abandon their cart. I'm thinking what I'll do is to capture the onunload event for each page of the checkout process, and that on unload I'll check to see if the user is leaving the page via one of the links/forms on the page, or by some other method. If it's by some other method, I'll pop up the survey. I'll also disable the back button. This won't capture all the abandonment, but it seems to me to be the least intrusive = least likely to popup when it's not supposed to. I'd appreciate any alternatives and any suggestions to make this less intrusive. = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Feature request: macro recorder
Do any of the MM IDEs offer a macro reporder? I've been asking for a simple marco recorder since I started using the original HomeSite (and even after moving to CF Studio), but to no avail! The "Redo" function isn't enough. I regularly need to do a repeateable sequence of keystrokes and I wish I had a simple macro recorder like the one in Programmer's File Editor (PFE). It's just a simple record toggle and a hot key to replay the keystrokes. In fact, I usually copy over to PFE, do the edits using the macro recorder and paste the edits back into CF Studio. This would be such a great feature to include in CF Studio (and the rest of the MM IDEs, if they don't have it). How about it, MM? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Macromedia vs Adobe ( How does it affect Dreamweaver?)
Many of you know that Macromedia was sued by Adobe for infringement on some patent that has to do with tabbed palettes. ( Here is an article on it all ) http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020502/20405_1.html I've never used the Flash authoring tools, so I can't comment on how the tabbed palettes compare to photoshop's tabbed palettes. However, I know that Dreamweaver MX uses a similar tabbed palette concept. Is it going to be affected by the lawsuit? If so, maybe Macromedia will have to give us CF Studio 6. : ha, ha: -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com -- Will I be on the streets tomorrow, Will I have to beg and Borrow Will I have to go back to the job I left behind? __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
FW: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?
Dave Deming, Macromedia Product Manager for DWMX, asked me to post this for him. The site mechanism in Dreamweaver MX is perhaps one of the largest adjustments for a CFStudio developer to make when starting to use Dreamweaver MX for day to day web development work. To use most of the functionality of Dreamweaver, it is true that you have to go through the process of setting up a site, with local and remote views (although you certainly do not have to copy the entire remote site to your local drive just to edit a file - you can download just the files you need.) A new option was added for Dreamweaver MX in the site wizard to "directly edit files on a remote server using ftp or rds." While this does not replicate the Studio method of simply hooking up to a site and editing a file directly, it comes close. Files are automatically uploaded on every save. Give this mode a try and see if it helps. If not, a decent workaround is to create a new network place (in Windows) for the ftp locations that correspond to your remote sites. You can then use the integrated file browser to quickly open a file on one of those sites, edit a line or two of code, and resave back out. Many design view features won't work for files outside a site like this, but code editing should work just fine. We realize that this new site methodology is a change, and not as quick and flexible as the Studio methodology of connecting to remote servers in some ways. But it does give a lot of power to the developer that did not exist in Studio. In future releases we will be examining how to get the best of both worlds to give developers even greater flexibility. -David Deming Product Manager, Dreamweaver __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
