Re: Return id after insert
S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I'm just saying that if the table being inserted into contains a no what you said was any session cross the server. that's wrong. I was pretty sure I had corrected myself, but that's neither here nor there... Do you not consider Oracle a major db? Oracle has sequences which are not the same thing. The problem with identities using SQL Server is oracle sequences are similar enough to include them. probably safer than identiy column in that you have to call them before use, but it still requires a bit of thought on the developers part same as identity. that they're only useful / helpful during the insert -- they're a hideous, horrible, awful nightmare if you ever have to try and migrate yes but that's not a very common occurance. idents work well enough for the most part. Heh... well my own personal experience is that if something is a nightmare, I will automatically need to use it frequently, no matter how infrequently anyone else uses it. :P s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477DE=1 http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187248 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Auto appending of CFID and CFTOKEN in application.cfm
Hi, I am retooling a large CF site and need to append the CFID and CFTOKEN to each request as XPSP2 has locked out a lot of users who aren't allowing cookies. There are too many pages to start digging through the links and forms to add the URLTOKEN (unless I really need to). Is it not possible to add some code to application.cfm to automatically do this? I tried with no success and received an invalid characters in the CFID or CFTOKEN message. Any info appreciated. JW ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187249 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX + MySQL Query Problem
Jamie what you need? Cheers Marco On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:25:39 -0400, Jamie Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that this sounds like a pretty wild problem, but I would REALLY appreciate any help you guys could give - I've been putting my head through a wall for about two weeks trying to get this function right. If you need clarification on anything, just let me know. Thanks! ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187250 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I'm going to bring this one in from the Blackstone Beta thread yesterday because I think we all need to talk about this. I'm not going to rehash most of what's been said in that thread. ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! WHY? Will Blackstone fix the shift that's taking place? I say no! CF is still outrageous to purchase. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. I'm not trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Yeah, maybe it's easy for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? I'll plug Tim Uzzanti's comments below. I think the man would know something about the subject, plus he'll tend to be more honest since he's not on our side of the business. One more thing. Please don't attack me! I'm just the messenger! Tim Uzzanti: If you believe CF can handle the same traffic loads that .NET can handle, then you are completely confused on the technologies and their infrastructure. I have no idea if 75% of fortune 100% companies use CF, I would love to see some documentation for that, but the Fortune 100 companies ARE NOT the Top 100 sites on the Internet either! Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET applications would probably give you a pretty good opinion of what they see? Is it in my BEST interest to tell a customer not to use CF, or is it in my best interest to suggest what might be the best technologies from my experiences on their requirements? Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET Regarding the back end of Cold Fusion: CFMX is much better than CF5 but still has many limitations and quirks that we have see and deal with every day. I am not saying that CF doesnt have the ability to grow with larger sites because it has features like the ability to cluster machines and the classes are compiled etc. What I am saying is, if you would like to build an application that can last longer on certain hardware or run more optimally, CF is not the way to go! Cold Fusion MX out of the box has a setting to support no more than 10 simultaneous requests at one time. Macromedia suggestions that you never exceed 40 and this isnt optimal for a large scale sites. There are other settings and issues from a server administration standpoint that hinder CFMX from out performing .NET There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. You have to realize, .NET isnt just a web based language, it is a Development language for desktop and server applications as well. CrystalTech uses SmarterMail which is built on the .NET and it outperforms all other mail servers that are built on C and C++. One last comment that I would also provide to a potential customer who may want to move from a shared environment to a dedicated environment is that you will need to purchase a license for CFMX. If this is a large site and will expand to multiple servers then they will need to purchase a $4,500 license possibly x 2... Again, this isn't something that affects CT, but would affect the customer... ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187251 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blog! I think I'm ready.
If you want a ColdFusion solution, then try my BlogFusion: www.countersinkdg.com Jake ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187254 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187255 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Can't Visual Studio be had via some of M$'s programs along with a ton of other software and at a rather large discount? I once recall someone pointing out how M$ wants developers so that their server products get used more and because of this that is why they make it possible to get the development tools severely discounted in said programs. Sorry I do not know the actual names of the things, never looked hard enough into it all since never had the need. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:04:28 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blog! I think I'm ready.
Or if you cant host it yourself, try http://www.blogger.com Regards Mark Drew On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:56:45 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog/ - my tools - blog download it, read the readme, be happily blogging in a few minutes. On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:41:00 -0500, Dwayne Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm ready to set up my own blog. Can any one point me in the right direction. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187253 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Will, This is probably not a good place for this discussion. It's CF-Talk, not CF-Bash. ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! WHY? Are you sure? Do you have numbers for that? Either way, you're probably right, but if so, can you show that it's for any technological reasons other than the gullibility of IT managers when it comes to the Microsoft marketing machine? Secondly, would we _want_ ColdFusion to have the same market share as ASP.NET? Macromedia (compared to MS) is a fairly small company. Almost nothing is as dangerous to small companies as over-rapid expansion. They do what they do (provide a great server product to a somewhat niche market), and do it well. If their market share tripled overnight, do you think the company could keep up its standards? Will Blackstone fix the shift that's taking place? I say no! CF is still outrageous to purchase. This is a shortsighted statement. For most purposes, TCO for CF is usually lower. Its development tools are cheaper, and work tends to get done much faster. For any decent company, the price of CF is small potatoes compared to the price of getting an application developed on any platform. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. To quote a great author, TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. .NET is not free as in beer. You don't think the price of your Windows license was built into the price of your server? I'm not trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. I think I'm pretty well awake - I've been developing for both CF and .NET for a while now, and would like to think that I have more insight into both worlds than most. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Well, that's because comparing CF and .NET is an apples-to-oranges comparison. .NET can be compared to Java, and ASP.NET can be compared to CF. Java is easily as powerful as .NET, if intrinsically more so because of its ability to perform like tasks across multiple platforms. To me, CF is more power in ASP.NET in that it gives developers an easier way to abstract and build n-tiered applications through CFCs, opposed to ASP.NET's forcing classic ASP developers to learn VB.NET or C# in order to build a decently architected application (on a basic level, meaning they don't so SQL in their code-behind). Yeah, maybe it's easy for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! Yes, it is very easy to develop applications that do things our clients want in CF, and Macromedia identifies things that are difficult (like generating PDFs) and makes a point of simplifying them in later releases. Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? 1. .NET isn't a language. 2. If you mean platform, why would they? Why abandon using one of the largest and most robust frameworks available (Java)? Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? CFMX was a very fresh cake, not using the core of CF version 1-5. ASP was a stale cake - Microsoft got behind in the market and put some new icing on (gag) VB, and called it an application server. I'll agree that ASP.NET has some very fresh ideas, but even Microsoft is rolling back on some of them. The code-behind model isn't popular with a lot of 'classic' ASP developers, and we're starting to see support for code-inside and code-beside creep back in. -joe -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX + MySQL Query Problem
Jamie Price wrote: ...which is close, but no cigar. I need to get rid of those 'blank' entries, plus I need to arrange it so what's left comes out like this: Quote: UserID: 3 Owns Cards: 41001152 UserID: 8 Owns Cards: 41001151 UserID: 9 Owns Cards: 41001151 UserID: 13 Owns Cards: 41001151, 41001152 UserID CardId Own Trade 3 41001152 1 0 7 41001151 0 1 7 41001152 0 1 7 41001102 0 1 7 41001101 0 1 7 41001154 0 1 7 41001153 0 1 8 41001151 1 0 9 41001151 1 0 13 41001151 1 0 13 41001152 1 0 SELECT o.UserID, GROUP_CONCAT(o.CardID) FROM mycards t INNER JOIN mycards o ON t.cardid = o.cardid WHEREt.trade = 1 AND o.own = 1 AND t.UserID = cfqueryparam value=#cUserID# cfsqltype=cf_sql_integer GROUP BY o.UserID Jochem ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187258 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I thought I would research this a bit A Server + Development tools CF MX 6.1 Enterprise: US $ 5999 (you get a $100 rebate at the moment so $5899) Dreamweaver MX US $ 399 (and you get a $100 on this too!) Total: $6198 .NET Visual Studio .NET 2003 Enterprise Architect $1,799 US or Visual Studio .NET 2003 Enterprise Developer $1,799 US or Visual Studio .NET 2003 Professional Special Edition $799 US What else would you need? (ok.. windows server licence and Database but you need this for both anyway so we dont add it to the mix) Thats the clever market penetration that MS does. It provides the platform and charges for the tools. It is a sad fact that a lot more companies are going .NET and ASP.NET because its All from Microsoft so we only need one supplier I love coding in CF, it provides a lot of things in the right way and marries it to Java (oh.. Java is pretty much free even as app servers are concerned) MD On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:04:28 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187259 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Hey Aaron, Yep, there are discount programs. They require a small portion of your soul :) Actually, yes, MS is trying to make things more accessible. There are light versions of VS 2005 Beta available for free, and there are programs like MSDN that have a price tag attached. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:16:58 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't Visual Studio be had via some of M$'s programs along with a ton of other software and at a rather large discount? I once recall someone pointing out how M$ wants developers so that their server products get used more and because of this that is why they make it possible to get the development tools severely discounted in said programs. Sorry I do not know the actual names of the things, never looked hard enough into it all since never had the need. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:04:28 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187260 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Web services ok for sensitive data?
Is a web service feasible for sensitive data? Like passing sensitive data to the service? I don't know enough about them, but I'd think not. Thanks, Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187262 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. I don't use Visual Studio, I use Web matrix, which is free. Let's talk about deployment instead Does 6K ring a bell? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187263 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Heheheh, I think I'll pass, Jochem. Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:51:06 +0100, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Rinehart wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. The only relevant question when comparing prices is Who do you want to be cheaper?. I can easily argue that Eclipse, Linux, PostgreSQL and Bluedragon is cheaper then Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. I can also argue that Dreamweaver, Windows, MS SQL Server and CF MX Enterprise is more expensive as Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. Feel free to do the math yourself for all the possible combinations :-) Jochem ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187264 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
6k? If you're an organization that actually needs CF Enterprise, it shouldn't be a very big bell. See my reply to Jochem. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:58:43 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. I don't use Visual Studio, I use Web matrix, which is free. Let's talk about deployment instead Does 6K ring a bell? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187265 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. There's the rub with CF. I agree with what you're saying, but then I have to explain to my small-medium sized clients this concept. You have to SELL them on CF. Do you do it by saying, the code is so much easier, and I'll have less development time involved in your project because of it? The small - medium guys are listening to me and looking at 6K up front! Is a shift to .NET taking place because clients aren't being *SOLD* on CF? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187266 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [OT] Fck... Profane? was fck editor 2.0 RC
What Mike said super-important. Its something I learned way back when I was writing ad copy and building the ads (in Xerox Ventura Publisher 1.0; running on that super-cool GEM gui). People perceive mixed case text strings one word at a time. They perceive all caps one letter at a time. Processing and recognition for mixed case strings (i.e. a sentence) is thus quite a bit faster than all caps and hence its a lot easier to read/sink in. So if you wanted people to actually read copy of even moderate length you mixed-cased it. If you wanted to blast them with a 3-10 letter word in 28 pt type that was the only time for uppercase. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187267 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I think it could be because people are being sold on .NET everywhere they look. Why are you only selling people on enterprise? Most small and medium places are _fine_ with cf pro. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:21:58 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. There's the rub with CF. I agree with what you're saying, but then I have to explain to my small-medium sized clients this concept. You have to SELL them on CF. Do you do it by saying, the code is so much easier, and I'll have less development time involved in your project because of it? The small - medium guys are listening to me and looking at 6K up front! Is a shift to .NET taking place because clients aren't being *SOLD* on CF? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187268 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fck editor 2.0 RC
Rick, CFFM only disallows extensions? It doesn't do MIME checking? As in cffile's ACCEPT parameter? The uploader I wrote for FCK 1.x added mime type checking. Rather than disallowing a specific list, it was then able to only *allow* a specific list. Not the same thing and a better way to go imho. I also used cgi.content_length to limit file upload size. Imperfect I know (the file has to arrive at the server in tmp form to measure it) but the best I could do. What I did was allow the developer to specify a list of acceptable MIME types, comma-delimited, which then defined what images could be uploaded in the image dialog, and what files could be uploaded in the link dialog. That link dialog is something that hasn't gotten any attention here and is a huge boon. Lets users upload pdfs, word docs, whatever you specify in your acceptable MIME type list. Its something my users had been screaming for literally for years and one of the major elements in deciding to start relying on FCKEditor. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187269 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Joe Rinehart wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. The only relevant question when comparing prices is Who do you want to be cheaper?. I can easily argue that Eclipse, Linux, PostgreSQL and Bluedragon is cheaper then Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. I can also argue that Dreamweaver, Windows, MS SQL Server and CF MX Enterprise is more expensive as Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. Feel free to do the math yourself for all the possible combinations :-) Jochem ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187261 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fck editor 2.0 RC
Matt Robertson wrote: CFFM only disallows extensions? It doesn't do MIME checking? As in cffile's ACCEPT parameter? Since the browser is really what determines the mime type, couldn't I configure my system to think that .cfm files were of type image/jpeg? Thus allowing me to upload .cfm files to the server? At the very least, you could hack around with perl to do a file upload with a faked mime type header At least with extension monitoring, if a .cfm file gets on the server, it gets the axe. Additionally, when unzipping files on the server or creating new files on the server (as CFFM allows users to do), there are no mime types. Oh, and I just released 0.98b which includes the allowedExtensions configuration option. So you can restrict uploads to just .gif, .png, jpg, etc.. - Rick ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187271 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Will Tomlinson wrote: I'm going to bring this one in from the Blackstone Beta thread yesterday because I think we all need to talk about this. I'm not going to rehash most of what's been said in that thread. Glad you're not planning on going over what was said yesterday. There was very little light shed by either yourself or anyone else in that thread. ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! Do you have the hard market numbers to back up that statment, or is it what you've seen and heard? WHY? Will Blackstone fix the shift that's taking place? I say no! CF is still outrageous to purchase. I disagree with this. A ColdFusion license costs from $1199. A junior developer costs say $25 per hour. So a ColdFusion license equates to 48 hours or so of developer time over the lifetime of the license. That's just over a week's worth of work. If there's you can save a week's worth of development time over the whole time you have the license, it will pay for itself. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. Development licenses for CF are free and have been for quite a while. The license cost of CFMX is a tiny fraction of most project costs in any case. As is the cost of the windows license for ASP.NET. and the cost of any developer tools that you may need. I'm not trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. What exactly are you trying to wake people up to? That ASP.NET is getting a lot of media attention, and that some companies are moving there from ColdFusion? That's hardly news. There's been switching going on ever since I started using ColdFusion 7 years or so ago. The truth is that there will always be some .NET only environments, there will always be some PHP only environments, there will always be some CF only environments, and there will always be some who use a mixture. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Can you point me to something that claims that it is? I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that statement, so I'm curious where you came up with it. Yeah, maybe it's easy for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! I hope it works out well for you. I'll be sticking with Java and CFML for now. I've used ASP.NET and I can't say I liked either the IDEs or the language. Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? God help us all if they do. CFMX on J2EE gives me all the power I need. If there's something that I can't easily do in CFML I write it in Java and call that from CFML. Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? Macromedia are adding features based on the requests from their customers. If the customers want icing, I guess icing is what they'll get. I'll plug Tim Uzzanti's comments below. I think the man would know something about the subject, plus he'll tend to be more honest since he's not on our side of the business. One more thing. Please don't attack me! I'm just the messenger! Tim has plenty to say about the performance of .NET vs CFMX, but nothing to say about the aspects of CFMX that make it a better value proposition when looking at the bigger picture. I use CFML because it has a very rapid development time and that cuts the cost of development and maintenance. Since more than 70% of the cost for the vast majority of software projects is in development and maintenance I think that speaks for itself. The truth is that for the overwhelming majority of applications absolute performance is not the factor that should be used to determine the platform on which the application should be built. Certainly there are some, but they are the exception rather than the rule. I've worked with a *lot* of ColdFusion applications that were run on anything from shared hosting to clustered servers and I've yet to experience a problem with performance that was caused by the underlying application server rather than poorly written code. In any case, if your site is so overwhelmed with requests that a single server can no longer handle the load, I'd be extremely surprised if the cost of another server and CFMX license was of any consequence compared to the cashflow that your organization was already handling. Tim Uzzanti: If you believe CF can handle the same traffic loads that .NET can handle, then you are completely confused on the technologies and their infrastructure. I have no idea if 75% of fortune 100% companies use CF, I would love to see some documentation for that, but the Fortune 100 companies ARE NOT the Top 100 sites on the Internet either! Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET
Re: Web services ok for sensitive data?
Thanks so much Barney. Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187274 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta What else would you need? (ok.. windows server licence and Database but you need this for both anyway so we dont add it to the mix) Just play devil's advocate: you do not need a windows license for both. You may, for example, run CF on Linux. Dreamweaver does, indeed, need either a Windows OR Mac license, however DreamWeaver is not the only (and often not considered the best) way to code CF. Eclipse will also run on Linux and is considered by many the preferred platform for CF development. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187275 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fck editor 2.0 RC
But isn't the CFFILE ACCEPT parameter a more sound way to govern file acceptability than a simple extension check? Sure on any given day anything can be spoofed, but someone with a much higher knowledge level would have to be making the attempt. I've seen literally dozens of attempts to send up bad file types, followed by manipulation of the extension (I set up the uploader to email me when such things happen, with details). These aren't malicious users, but dopey, headstrong ones who want to get their way or think the program is broken and they have this magic way to fix it (instead they got a supervisory reprimand in their employee jackets). They were typical cms users: staffers with just barely enough knowledge to be dangerous, but no more. If I'm understanding you right and you're only doing extension checks it just seems that you're not using an important feature of cffile. Using both features would be ideal but on a given day with a typical user I'd say cffile accept= was a lot more powerful piece of protection. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187276 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta 6k? If you're an organization that actually needs CF Enterprise, it shouldn't be a very big bell. Yes - I would agree. I've seen very few places that NEED Enterprise as well. And if you do need enterprise you're probably used to spending much, must more for software (compare, for example, the licensing costs of Oracle or Websphere to CF). Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187277 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
IIS questions
In the home directory/configuration/app options there are three checkboxes. They are normally turned on and seem to only have anything to do with Asp. Is there any known reason to have them checked on if the server is set to CF only (all asp type extensions removed)? I'm finalizing the move to 100% CF 7 today for the HoF server and want to be as sure as possible with things. Thanks ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187280 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:16:04 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to rehash most of what's been said in that thread. Er, sure you are. You even repeated Tim Uzzanti's quote *in* *full*! It's not a case of right or wrong, just that you're not going to get everyone to agree with you so give it up. Please! ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! As others have said: where is your proof? I don't think you'll find anything more than anecdotal evidence to support that claim especially since several studies have shown a healthy growth in CF over the last year or two. Read a bit further and you'll see that there's a lot of evidence that Java is still doing much better than .NET - which is part of the reason behind Microsoft's back-pedalling on a number of .NET and Longhorn related issues: they're just not seeing .NET be as successful as they'd planned. CF is still outrageous to purchase. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. As others have said: deployment costs are such a minimal part of most projects. You need to consider the Total Cost of Ownership over the lifetime of the software. I'm not trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. Uh-huh? I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. I think you do a great disservice to people on this list - and the CF community in general - by accusing them of being asleep! Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? .NET is not a language. .NET is more comparable to J2EE. You know J2EE? The platform that CFMX runs on? And those other folks have most of CFML running on .NET. Try and get your facts straight and compare like to like. I'll plug Tim Uzzanti's comments below. Again. Yawn! Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET Looks like these numbers come from Alexa (which many people think has pretty suspect numbers but...). According to Alexa, Macromedia is ranked about 180 and uses... CFMX! I bet there are quite a few high traffic sites using CFMX. If you look at the top 200 sites, you'll see all manner of technologies... You can't draw any conclusions from that. People can easily write ASP.NET sites that don't scale just like they can in CFML. But you can also build highly-scalable sites in CFML - as Ben pointed out, most of the issues preventing scalability are either bad code or bad configuration (and that's true of all technologies). There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. Damon demonstrated Blackstone's ability to run concurrent threads - see his blog. A sequential task that took 20+ seconds could be run by Blackstone in 2-3 seconds using concurrent execution. You have to realize, .NET isn't just a web based language, it is a Development language *sigh* Tim clearly doesn't realize that .NET isn't a *language* at all... I have this horrible feeling this one will run and run... :) -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187282 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: select next/previous *record*?
I have an application where the user selects a record via a key lookup, and then that record is displayed individually. From there I want to be able to click a '' button to go to the previous record in the sequence, or a '' to go to the next record, and continue to select records via this method as an alternative to the key lookup. I did this in an entirely different environment where I was able to use native controls that allowed straight up SELECT NEXT and SELECT PREVIOUS commands, where I was also able to throw those commands into a loop for fast forward and rewind as well. Don't expect to get that in the web world, but I need the next/previous. I think I can come up with something, but the convolutions necessary to make it work are making my head hurt. Is there something simple and obvious I have missed on this (for me) Sunday morning?. Quick question...are ya using DreamweaverMX? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187284 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: select next/previous *record*?
Thanks Barney, thats *exactly* what I was looking for! -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:12:27 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but if it's SQL, I've done this in the past: SELECT * FROM table WHERE id #currentId# ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1 for getting the previous item. Just flipt the to and make the order ASC to get next record. The LIMIT clause is MySQL's version of MS products' TOP clause. If you want to fast forward, the LIMIT clause also specifies an offset, so you can do LIMIT 19, 1 to pull the 20th item in the list. With MS's TOP clause, you have to pull all 20, and then just look at the last one, I believe. cheers, barneyb On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:58:50 -0800, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an application where the user selects a record via a key lookup, and then that record is displayed individually. From there I want to be able to click a '' button to go to the previous record in the sequence, or a '' to go to the next record, and continue to select records via this method as an alternative to the key lookup. I did this in an entirely different environment where I was able to use native controls that allowed straight up SELECT NEXT and SELECT PREVIOUS commands, where I was also able to throw those commands into a loop for fast forward and rewind as well. Don't expect to get that in the web world, but I need the next/previous. I think I can come up with something, but the convolutions necessary to make it work are making my head hurt. Is there something simple and obvious I have missed on this (for me) Sunday morning?. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187285 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Just a few comments. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! I'm going to bring this one in from the Blackstone Beta thread yesterday because I think we all need to talk about this. I'm not going to rehash most of what's been said in that thread. ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! WHY? Will Blackstone fix the shift Apparently this doesn't seem matter (if it's true) as all reports from MM indicate that CF sales have been steadily growing since the merger with most sales to new customers. In general the Web Application market is growing - there's plenty of room for multiple vendors to see increases sales. that's taking place? I say no! CF is still outrageous to purchase. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. I'm not Macromedia simply does not have the resources to compete at this level, it's true. Microsoft (and a few others) can spend millions developing an application or technology and give it away in hopes of selling tools and OSs. In MM's case CF development requires more. For example take a look at the pricing between CF Pro and CF Enterprise. It's a tremendous difference, yeah? The core of that difference is not at MM however, but rather in the cost of the licensing the third party components contained in the products. MM can't give it away without dropping those third party extensions. (This, by the way, is also one reason that BlueDragon CAN give it away - they are still taking a development hit, no doubt, but there are fewer hard costs associated) That being said the question is why buy it? Well, I've my reasons, but the real answer is who cares? as people are buying it. They obviously have their reasons and the product gives them something (speed, features, peace of mind or whatever) that they're willing to spend money on. trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Yeah, maybe it's easy As Ben's mentioned the two are really not comparable as one is an application framework and on is an application working on a framework. CF is an application. Say it with me: CF is an application. Let's take your scenario to the extreme: .NET steamrolls the universe, Java is crushed under it's wheels like gravel. Do you know what you happen then? ColdFusion would be moved to a .NET platform! It's as simple as that. When the decision to move CF it a standard platform they quickly decided on Java vrx .NET simply because that's the only way they could support their Linux customers. However if market needs dictated they could create CF for .NET summarily. New Atlanta (with far resources that MM) has already done this, by the way. for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? What could you mean here? .NET isn't a development language. .NET is a framework that supports multiple development languages (VB and C# to name two). Are you comparing CF's tag-based development to them? I'll plug Tim Uzzanti's comments below. I think the man would know something about the subject, plus he'll tend to be more honest since he's not on our side of the business. Two things here: 1) Even if CF could never, would never and can never have work with any Fortune 100 companies, that still leaves several million websites that it CAN work with. 2) You have to place his comments in context. It may be fair to say that CF applications running on the built-in server (JRUN) can't compete but CF applications do not have to run on that server. 3) I respect his opinion, but prefer to see actual proof. Also it strikes me that this comment seems taken out of context. As he notes, there is definite confusion on the technologies infrastructure and this comment doesn't illuminate that at all. Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET applications would probably give you a pretty good opinion of what they see? Is it in my BEST interest to tell a customer not to use CF, or is it in my best interest to suggest what might be the best technologies from my experiences on their requirements? The latter of course. Do as you think right by your customer. However this is a cut-and-dry answer. I've been working in a fortune 50 for nine years that benefits greatly from CF (even when they don't want to admit it) and have worked with dozens of smaller (and a coupla larger) companies that have also benefited greatly.
Re: Auto appending of CFID and CFTOKEN in application.cfm
I might be off my rocker - but are you implying that you are using cookie as the Default Storage Mechanism for Client Sessions? Could I suggest instead that you run all your client session requirements to a database instead? I know that to create Search Engine Friendly URLs ( http://www.peoplefield.org and http://www.spankmag.com ) all my href links are actually a custom function I wrote so I can automatically append (and pre-append) items to a link (in this case adding the /p.htm to everything at the end, and a parsed vaiable to map to the correct directory structure, yes I know, not Fusebox sturcture :-) ). But I don't think you want to rewirite all your links in the code. Can you expalain your problems more though about XPSP2? I've not had that problem (I think) and if I am, I would like to know more about what you are experiencing. Stephen http://www.Lopedia.com Canada is cold, so ColdFusion is natural to us! Hi, I am retooling a large CF site and need to append the CFID and CFTOKEN to each request as XPSP2 has locked out a lot of users who aren't allowing cookies. There are too many pages to start digging through the links and forms to add the URLTOKEN (unless I really need to). Is it not possible to add some code to application.cfm to automatically do this? I tried with no success and received an invalid characters in the CFID or CFTOKEN message. Any info appreciated. JW ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187287 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: select next/previous *record*?
Quick question...are ya using DreamweaverMX? Nope. Another complication I didn't mentuion before is the user has the ability to select which index is current, so they might be indexing on ID, and cycling up and down thru the numbers, or one of several other fields, such as Last Name. I'm working thru that now. Don't see how it would work in the ID-based example. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187288 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Web services ok for sensitive data?
Will Tomlinson wrote: Thanks so much Barney. What Barney just said. Some of them will use unencrypted HTTP, others will use standard HTTP (SSL) security. Some in fact, like PayPals WS API I just wrote a Java CFX to interface with will use custom security protocols. Just depends how it was implimented. -- --Lewis Sellers (AKA min) Intrafoundation Software http://www.intrafoundation.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187289 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Both platforms have their own good and bad issues. I have been using CF since the first versions and since the .NET platform was marketed (and the management board showed twinkeling eyes, hey another Microsoft cashcow) also started using C#. I like both, unfortunately management has problems selling CF with bigger marges, and has none with .NET. When switching to ASP.NET, keep in mind salaries will rise, costs will rise as well as the prices for an ASP.NET product. Even the simpliest smartass can make CF applications, but for C# development you need people with higher educations, the level of programming is just way higher in most cases. An often used argument for ASP.NET is also the way it forces better code. Due to compilation, syntax errors are history. Ofcourse other errors will stay, but you increase the quality of your code. For PHP this is also able but only in combination with Zend. CF has big plusses on development speed (C# development time is indeed much more, especially bug solving needs alot of time because we experienced strange bugs platform dependent), but I just hope future releases will also look at profiling options, precompiling options (and thus filtering out the syntax errors before even testing), out of the box stability, and better use of multithreading (which is supported by the underlying architecture). I saw someone asking if someone could prove .NET is faster, .. haven't you seen any benchmarks? My diff algorithm (using levensthein) is about 1000x faster in .NET and the CF code has been finetuned into it's most optimal form. CF ofcourse has it's plusses or else I would not use it, but CF cannot match .NET performance, neither can PHP, ASP, or even pure Java. Only C++ and C are quicker, people are even creating 3D games in C#. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187290 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I am not going to get sucked into a flame war here, but this one line just begged a response ... Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Did you, by any chance, mean to compare J2EE to .NET, or were you really displaying such an amazing lack of understanding as to what ColdFusion MX is as to compare CF to .NET? I am hoping this was just a typo. If you want to get into a .NET versus J2EE debate, go for it. There is no winner or loser in that one, by the way. And if CF does not scale, well, neither does IBM WebSphere, BEA WebLogic, JRun, and the like. I assume that you did not mean to imply that. Does that mean that ever CF application will scale well? Nope, not at all, but well written ones will. In the past few weeks I have been personally involved in several massive CF deployments that were failing under load, and when the consulting team went in to find the causes each and every one of the problems ended up being bad code or badly configured J2EE servers. And no, I am not putting down .NET, .NET has lots going for it, as does J2EE, as does CF. Pick one, pick multiple, pick them all, pick something else altogether - whatever works best for you. But please avoid silly flame rampage postings. They serve no one. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! I'm going to bring this one in from the Blackstone Beta thread yesterday because I think we all need to talk about this. I'm not going to rehash most of what's been said in that thread. ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! WHY? Will Blackstone fix the shift that's taking place? I say no! CF is still outrageous to purchase. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. I'm not trying to attack CF here, I'm really not. I'm just trying to wake people up, because I think we've been lulled to sleep by Blackstone. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Yeah, maybe it's easy for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? I'll plug Tim Uzzanti's comments below. I think the man would know something about the subject, plus he'll tend to be more honest since he's not on our side of the business. One more thing. Please don't attack me! I'm just the messenger! Tim Uzzanti: If you believe CF can handle the same traffic loads that .NET can handle, then you are completely confused on the technologies and their infrastructure. I have no idea if 75% of fortune 100% companies use CF, I would love to see some documentation for that, but the Fortune 100 companies ARE NOT the Top 100 sites on the Internet either! Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET applications would probably give you a pretty good opinion of what they see? Is it in my BEST interest to tell a customer not to use CF, or is it in my best interest to suggest what might be the best technologies from my experiences on their requirements? Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET Regarding the back end of Cold Fusion: CFMX is much better than CF5 but still has many limitations and quirks that we have see and deal with every day. I am not saying that CF doesn't have the ability to grow with larger sites because it has features like the ability to cluster machines and the classes are compiled etc. What I am saying is, if you would like to build an application that can last longer on certain hardware or run more optimally, CF is not the way to go! Cold Fusion MX out of the box has a setting to support no more than 10 simultaneous requests at one time. Macromedia suggestions that you never exceed 40 and this isn't optimal for a large scale sites. There are other settings and issues from a server administration standpoint that hinder CFMX from out performing .NET There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. You have to realize, .NET isn't just a web based language, it is a Development language for desktop and server applications as well. CrystalTech uses SmarterMail which is built on the .NET and it outperforms all other mail servers that are
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
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Re: OT- DBA question SQL2K
non-expert opinion: afaik there is no difference. The wizard generates the same code. It is just easier and probably less prone to error. On the other hand TSQL may offer more flexibility, not sure. Dana On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:30:07 -0600, Eric Creese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When setting up backup strategies would you rather wrtie the commands and save them in a job and schedule them or use the Data Maintainence Plan Wizard? I simply write the code and stick it in jobs and it works fine, however I got some people her telling me to use the Wizard because jobs are unreliable. But the Wizard simply creates a job that is scheduled the same way so I do. I do not see what the difference is at all. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187292 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I saw someone asking if someone could prove .NET is faster, .. haven't you seen any benchmarks? My diff algorithm (using levensthein) is about 1000x faster in .NET and the CF code has been finetuned into it's most optimal form. CF ofcourse has it's plusses or else I would not use it, but CF cannot match .NET performance, neither can PHP, ASP, or even pure Java. Only C++ and C are quicker, people are even creating 3D games in C#. I just want to point out that you simply cannot ever say technology X is faster than technology Y without a ton of disclaimers attached. There are numerous cases in which Java is faster than C, so if you still have the Java is horrendously slow notion from 1998, it's time to update your thinking: http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html Speed is so relative and of such little importance in the overall scheme of making technology decisions that it certainly wouldn't be a deciding factor unless you have very specific needs. If the one particular thing you're doing is the core of your application and a particular technology is 10X as fast at this one thing, then sure, use that technology. Otherwise performance is pretty much a wash between the major web development technologies. Also, in terms of the technology and how it works, there isn't a single technical aspect that would give .NET a speed advantage over J2EE other than the fact that .NET doesn't have to worry about platform independence. From an architectural standpoint the two platforms are remarkably similar I would suspect that even in cases where there are speed advantages (if there are any, and if they're even worth worrying about) they would be so negligible as to be immaterial to the discussion unless you're talking about building desktop applications, which isn't the focus of this forum. I guess my point is that saying one technology is faster than another is a pretty ridiculous statement without providing a clear context, and there are so many variables involved (hardware, the code itself, etc., etc., etc.) that it's pretty impossible to ever have a straight-across comparison. You can write a web app in either CF or .NET that will perform extremely well if you know what you're doing. One does not provide a clear speed advantage over the other in any absolute terms. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187293 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I dont think anyone with enough knowledge says Java is slow :) In fact, .NET currently is slower than Java which is pretty funny compared to the wrapper (around win32) .NET actually is, compared to Java which has to do all on his own. (btw.. benches: http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/). Nobody using CF currently dislikes the language, nor is forced to use CF. I do think the average quality of CF applications is much lower compared to the quality of .NET apps. It is directly related to the learning curve (and principles of OO languages) and companies tend to think they hire real professionals when aiming at .NET as opposed to a CF or PHP. I just think alot of people are scared about the immense .net approach companies are taking nowadays, and therefore people want to push Macromedia to invest in CF as a core product and to use it's marketing on CF and publicly promote their product. Combine that with bad economy and fear of losing your job due to lack of .net knowledge and you have bingo. I think people only switch from CF if they are forced to by company stategy changes, or general opportunities with CF in their country. CF in my country isn't very popular compared to the US, and alot of people don't even know it exists. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187294 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
REPOST: CFHEADER/CFCONTENT over SSL on IIS with IE
Hey guys, I posted this on Friday, didn't get a response. Figured I'd try it again. I have a simple text file that I want to force-download for users of a web application. I've set up the following code: cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=#filename# cfcontent type=text/plain file=#filepath# deletefile=no When I run the code in IE, I get the File Download dialog box as you'd expect. When I either try to open or save the file, I get this error message: Internet Explorer cannot download act_download_key.cfm from www.anyhost.com. Internet Explorer was not able to open this internet site... blah blah This site is being served over HTTPS. When I adjust the IIS configuration to allow requests over HTTP, the code magically works without issues. Furthermore Firefox can open/save the file without problems over either HTTP or HTTPS. I'm assuming this is some idiosyncrasy with IE when using CFCONTENT/CFHEADER over an SSL site. Thanks for your help. -Cliff Meyers ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187295 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I'm going to bring this one in from the Blackstone Beta thread yesterday because I think we all need to talk about this. Why? I thought this was a technical discussion list? If this were a list about, say, Porsches, would it be appropriate to talk about how much better Ferraris are? (Oh, and by the way, as Sean as implied, they're not.) ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! Do you have any statistics to back this up? I think it's certainly possible, but even if it's true it says little about the comparative value of either CFMX or .NET. CF is still outrageous to purchase. The licensing for the .NET SDK is free as is the licensing to deploy. If you think the pricing for CF is outrageous, you should look at the pricing for, well, any enterprise product you can think of. The pricing for CF Pro is quite reasonable for small businesses, and the pricing for CF Enterprise is quite reasonable for large ones. The .NET platform is only free if you purchase Windows, which you seem to be conveniently ignoring. Blackstone is not equivalent to .NET in power and performance. Yeah, maybe it's easy for us to code our simple CFML, and yeah that cfdocument is pretty neat, but there are a few factors making CF'ers like me change hats, and put on the .NET one! Will MM ever come up with a true development language like .NET? Are they going to keep putting more icing on the same cake, while Microsoft bakes fresh ones? Honestly, I don't know what the hell that paragraph means. If CFML isn't a true development language, I wonder how we've developed all these applications? If you have a problem with simple CFML, there are plenty of more complex languages for you to use, like C# or Java. Feel free to use those - the rest of us will be happy to continue using CF to develop applications more quickly and easily. As for Microsoft being the one who bakes fresh cakes, well, that's sort of the problem. Every couple of years, MS comes along and changes everything for developers. ASP.NET is very nice, and C# is very nice, but there are a lot of pissed-off VB 6 and classic ASP guys, who find themselves having to relearn almost everything to continue using MS tools. Those VB 6 guys, after just learning to use .NET and Windows Forms, will have to switch gears again to learn XAML when Longhorn comes out. Here's an interesting take on this problem: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html Tim Uzzanti: If you believe CF can handle the same traffic loads that .NET can handle, then you are completely confused on the technologies and their infrastructure. I have no idea if 75% of fortune 100% companies use CF, I would love to see some documentation for that, but the Fortune 100 companies ARE NOT the Top 100 sites on the Internet either! I know plenty of large-scale sites using CF. I'd seriously doubt that you can scale ASP.NET up to equal CFMX running on, say, a Solaris 64-processor box. Good luck with that! ASP.NET is inherently limited by Windows. I don't know who Tim Uzzanti is, but I don't see why I should take what he says at face value. My experience says otherwise. Oh, wait. Now, having Googled Tim Uzzanti, I see he runs a web hosting company. I wonder if he has any incentive in seeing people use .NET rather than CF. He wouldn't have to pay for CF licenses if none of his clients used CF, right? How many large-scale applications has Mr. Uzzanti worked on, exactly? All his servers are Windows servers, aren't they? I wonder if this has anything at all to do with his enthusiasm for .NET - something he's already paid for? Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET applications would probably give you a pretty good opinion of what they see? Is it in my BEST interest to tell a customer not to use CF, or is it in my best interest to suggest what might be the best technologies from my experiences on their requirements? Hosted applications? What's the specific relevance of talking only about hosted applications? Most big applications run on dedicated servers. Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET Uh, and this is relevant how again? How many servers do MS and Dell use to keep this working? The fact is, there are huge sites using practically any technology you can think of, and scalability needn't be a problem with CFMX or ASP.NET or J2EE or whatever. Cold Fusion MX out of the box has a setting to support no more than 10 simultaneous requests at one time. Macromedia suggestions that you never exceed 40 and this isn't optimal for a large scale sites. This is a load of hooey. CF uses a queued threading model, which is more efficient than creating threads on demand. Even with large-scale CF applications that are heavily
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:00:56 -0400, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think anyone with enough knowledge says Java is slow :) In fact, .NET currently is slower than Java which is pretty funny compared to the wrapper (around win32) .NET actually is, compared to Java which has to do all on his own. (btw.. benches: http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/). Thanx for pulling up benchmarks to back that up. I'd also heard Java was faster than .NET but hadn't seen any evidence. Of course, I'd also heard .NET was faster than Java :) I just think alot of people are scared about the immense .net approach companies are taking nowadays, and therefore people want to push Macromedia to invest in CF as a core product and to use it's marketing on CF and publicly promote their product. Combine that with bad economy and fear of losing your job due to lack of .net knowledge and you have bingo. I think this is a very interesting point (and, hey, for once I'm agreeing with Micha!). Java has had huge growth with a lot of support from Sun and IBM and others and, according to several studies, J2EE is still doing much better than .NET (and .NET is *not* taking business away from J2EE as Microsoft had hoped) and yet... and yet people didn't seem to be scared by the growth of Java. Macromedia doesn't have the marketing budget that Microsoft has so you'll never see Superbowl ads for ColdFusion. You can't compare the two companies in that respect. But fear of losing your job due to lack of .net knowledge is exactly what Microsoft wants. They want you to believe that if you don't learn .NET, you're dead. There's something very particular about Microsoft that seems to have people worried that technology X will take over the world and we'll all be forced to switch to it... yet the facts don't really back that up. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187297 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. First, asynchronous processing isn't that common in web applications. Second, you can use asynchronous processing in CFMX applications now, by hooking to JMS - it's not easy or trivial, but it can be done. Third, I've heard that Blackstone will provide an easier way to do asynchronous processing. If that's true, why would you complain about Blackstone not providing what you need? I believe it's a built-in async.cfc which can be extended to perform asynchronous tasks... I haven't had a chance to look into it yet -- I've been too busy working on the framework recently, adding xml templating and built-in i18n features, but I've heard it's very impressive. s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477DE=1 http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187298 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Auto appending of CFID and CFTOKEN in application.cfm
I'm sure you're rocker is fine. I am using non-persistant session cookies for session management, not persistant cookies. A few members installed XPSP2 and it apparently disables all cookies, persistant ant not, so that can login but the session cookie fails to be set, and they get punted back to the login. Some members had no problem setting the browser accordingly, but others would find it easier to build a roller-coaster. So, I just need an easy way (short of rewriting all my links/forms) to append the CFID and CFTOKEN. JW I might be off my rocker - but are you implying that you are using cookie as the Default Storage Mechanism for Client Sessions? Could I suggest instead that you run all your client session requirements to a database instead? I know that to create Search Engine Friendly URLs ( http://www. peoplefield.org and http://www.spankmag.com ) all my href links are actually a custom function I wrote so I can automatically append (and pre-append) items to a link (in this case adding the /p.htm to everything at the end, and a parsed vaiable to map to the correct directory structure, yes I know, not Fusebox sturcture :-) ). But I don't think you want to rewirite all your links in the code. Can you expalain your problems more though about XPSP2? I've not had that problem (I think) and if I am, I would like to know more about what you are experiencing. Stephen http://www.Lopedia.com Canada is cold, so ColdFusion is natural to us! Hi, I am retooling a large CF site and need to append the CFID and CFTOKEN to each request as XPSP2 has locked out a lot of users who aren't allowing cookies. There are too many pages to start digging through the links and forms to add the URLTOKEN (unless I really need to). Is it not possible to add some code to application.cfm to automatically do this? I tried with no success and received an invalid characters in the CFID or CFTOKEN message. Any info appreciated. JW ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SOT moving to FireFox
There are a few DHTML widgets and they are not working
properly in FF.
For example the following is some of the code behind one
DHTML widget:
document.onmouseover = ItemOver;
var eOld = null;
function ItemOver()
{
var eSrc = window.event.srcElement;
if (eSrc != null eSrc.className == item-b)
{
eSrc.className = item-b2;
}
}
// this one complains about window.event has no properties
This wouldn't necessarily be a bad way to handle this task _if_
srcElement were a DOM standard property of the event object... The
event object itself is part of the DOM, so that's okay. Though it
would be much better to include a similar function in the onMouseOver
event-handler for each item of class item-b on your page...
function ItemOver(item) { item.className = 'item-b2'; }
then in your elements div class=item-b
onmouseover=ItemOver(this); /
Unfortunately it doesn't look as though there is a DOM standard syntax
that would really be comparable to your original script. Although in
general looking at the script I have to think to myself and you want
to do this why? ... It's designed to change the class-name of objects
once they've been moused-over, but without changing them back on a
mouseout event? ... just seems odd...
function setItem(eSrc, eNo, eExtern)
{
eOld = eSrc;
if (eNo == 1)
eOld.className = item-b1;
else
eOld.className = item-b4;
var eTxt = eval(txt + eOld.id);
eTxt.style.display = ;
}
// the eSrc is item1 and it complains during the eval
function:
txtitem1 is not defined
what will be the equivalent of window.event in DOM2 event
model?
This one's reasonably easy... You have to have an element on the page
with the ID (or possibly name) attribute of 'txtitem1' and then you
can replace var eTxt = eval(txt+eOld.id); with var eTxt =
document.getElementById(txt + eOld.id);
I would also recommend adding in the {} braces ... I understand that
the code works currently without them but, the less consistent
demarkation your code has (missing {}, missing ; at the end of a
line), the more potential there is for the code to produce undesirable
behavior, whether that's an error or something else.
s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework
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http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1
http://www.fusiontap.com
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RE: REPOST: CFHEADER/CFCONTENT over SSL on IIS with IE
I have a simple text file that I want to force-download for users of a web application. I've set up the following code: cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=#filename# cfcontent type=text/plain file=#filepath# deletefile=no When I run the code in IE, I get the File Download dialog box as you'd expect. When I either try to open or save the file, I get this error message: Internet Explorer cannot download act_download_key.cfm from www.anyhost.com. Internet Explorer was not able to open this internet site... blah blah This site is being served over HTTPS. When I adjust the IIS configuration to allow requests over HTTP, the code magically works without issues. Furthermore Firefox can open/save the file without problems over either HTTP or HTTPS. I'm assuming this is some idiosyncrasy with IE when using CFCONTENT/CFHEADER over an SSL site. Thanks for your help. Perhaps there's a problem with the Content-Disposition header. You might want to try inline instead of attachment. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187302 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: IIS questions
In the home directory/configuration/app options there are three checkboxes. They are normally turned on and seem to only have anything to do with Asp. Is there any known reason to have them checked on if the server is set to CF only (all asp type extensions removed)? Those options only affect classic ASP. You can safely disregard them - it doesn't matter how they're set. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187303 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
SOT moving to FireFox
I don't want to start another browser war thread, but the last few
days I was looking into moving some of our (intranet) apps to FF. Our
policy is to have only IE on desktops, but I would be very happy if I
can get rid of IE and move to FF.
Unfortunately there is no budget of even desire for this from the
business community, so I have to do it on my own time.
Anyway, my question is: are there any sites that can show how would
you code differently for two browsers. It will have to work in both :)
There are a few DHTML widgets and they are not working properly in FF.
For example the following is some of the code behind one DHTML widget:
document.onmouseover = ItemOver;
var eOld = null;
function ItemOver()
{
var eSrc = window.event.srcElement;
if (eSrc != null eSrc.className == item-b)
{
eSrc.className = item-b2;
}
}
// this one complains about window.event has no properties
function setItem(eSrc, eNo, eExtern)
{
eOld = eSrc;
if (eNo == 1)
eOld.className = item-b1;
else
eOld.className = item-b4;
var eTxt = eval(txt + eOld.id);
eTxt.style.display = ;
}
// the eSrc is item1 and it complains during the eval function:
txtitem1 is not defined
what will be the equivalent of window.event in DOM2 event model?
Thanks
Victor
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RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I wonder if using large numbers of concurrent threads is helping performance regarding web sites/apps in any case. If a server is processing 100 pages that all take the same time to deliver a limited queue would improve performance because the pages that have finished would be delivered in batches of 10 - i.e. they would already be available to the user. With 100 concurrent threads all users would have to wait until all threads have finished working. So unlimited concurrent threads would not always guarantee better performance. Well, this is just what's been spinning in my head - it's late around here so correct me if I'm completely off. Cheers, Philipp -- cielen.com Fressgass / Alte Oper Grosse Bockenheimer Str. 54 60313 Frankfurt am Main Germany tel +49-69-29724620 fax +49-69-29724637 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. First, asynchronous processing isn't that common in web applications. Second, you can use asynchronous processing in CFMX applications now, by hooking to JMS - it's not easy or trivial, but it can be done. Third, I've heard that Blackstone will provide an easier way to do asynchronous processing. If that's true, why would you complain about Blackstone not providing what you need? I believe it's a built-in async.cfc which can be extended to perform asynchronous tasks... I haven't had a chance to look into it yet -- I've been too busy working on the framework recently, adding xml templating and built-in i18n features, but I've heard it's very impressive. s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477DE=1 http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187304 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Auto appending of CFID and CFTOKEN in application.cfm
I am using non-persistant session cookies for session management, not persistant cookies. Actually, in terms of the issue you are having, it wouldn't really matter. Even if you use client variables in the database, Cold Fusion still uses the CFID and CFTOKEN to identify the client. So they either need cookies on or you need to pass it over the variable. A few members installed XPSP2 and it apparently disables all cookies, persistant ant not, so that can login but the session cookie fails to be set, and they get punted back to the login. Some members had no problem setting the browser accordingly, but others would find it easier to build a roller-coaster. So, I just need an easy way (short of rewriting all my links/forms) to append the CFID and CFTOKEN. Well, afraid I don't know any way to do this through the application. I always build that kind of function into the application, because I've had lots of issues with various browsers or users having problems with losing sessions even with cookies turned on. What I do is set a variable in the application either blank or with the session token and then use that variable on all the links. Yeah, it's a bit of a pain to do, but becomes habit after awhile. You can find the links in your site fairly easily with a regular expresssion search, which will at least save you a bit of time. Interestingly enough, I had installed SP2 and then had to take it off for other issues. But recently I've been having major issues with my application losing the session whenever a new window is opened (or a JS location script runs). Only happens in IE and enabling all cookies does not seem to help. It's really driving me nuts! Mary Jo ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187305 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: IIS questions
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Re: SOT moving to FireFox
Thanks Isaac, I have implemented the second part and it's working fine. I am working now on the first one. There is actually one function for all the events: document.onmouseout = ItemOut; document.onmousedown = ItemDown; document.onmouseup = ItemUp; Thanks again. Victor PS One more thing: Is there a difference in rendering between the two browsers? It seems that there is 5 pixel offset. Not a biggie but some items on the form are not aligned properly. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187309 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
Regarding the relative costs of the expensive ColdFusion and the free other technologies, I have a statement from a colleague in another organisation, which I'll be posting separately. I told him about a site I'd just about finished in ColdFusion and he told me he was amazed. That I'd done my site in about 70 hours with another 40hours or so to finish it , and he had done a similar site in Free PHP - it had taken two of them (part time) two years to build. Let's assume for the sake of argument that all people working on these sites are costing $50/hour either as paid contractors or as employees including on-costs.I built my site, using expensive ColdFusion for $3500 plus a cold fusion server at perhaps $1200 - total $4700. They built their site using free PHP for (say) two people at 600 hours each - that's $60,000!! But they got the server software for free. Saved a big bunch there by going with the 'free' one didn't they. .Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187307 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFFILE Upload file restrictions (was Re: fck editor 2.0 RC)
Matt Robertson wrote: If I'm understanding you right and you're only doing extension checks it just seems that you're not using an important feature of cffile. Using both features would be ideal but on a given day with a typical user I'd say cffile accept= was a lot more powerful piece of protection. According to macromedia documentation, the browser uses the file extension to determine the mime type. What are you trying to protect against? The only difference I see is that I specify jpg,jpe,jpeg,jpeg, while you would specify image/jpeg,image/pjpeg The other difference I see is that if I were only checking mime types, I could easily upload a .cfm by making my computer think .cfm was image/jpeg. If I were only checking extensions, then I could NEVER upload a .cfm file. That seems more secure to me. - Rick ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187311 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SOT moving to FireFox
Interesting. So how are people coding for this? Determine the browser and then have two dimensions? I was wondering if M$ is doing this on purpose or just doesn't care. Thanks Barney Victor On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:46:13 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE incorrectly implements the CSS box model, while FF (and other browsers) gets it right. Specifically, IE assumes the width you specify is for the actual content area of the elements box, while the CSS spec says that the width you specify is for the entire box (including padding, border, and margin). So if you've got 5px of margin, a 1px border, and 4px of padding, your elements will be 10px wider than they should be. Or, if you're looking at it from the IE side, rather than the standards side, a standards compliant browser will show your boxes 10px smaller than you're used to. cheers, barneyb On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:28:48 -0500, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Isaac, I have implemented the second part and it's working fine. I am working now on the first one. There is actually one function for all the events: document.onmouseout = ItemOut; document.onmousedown = ItemDown; document.onmouseup = ItemUp; Thanks again. Victor PS One more thing: Is there a difference in rendering between the two browsers? It seems that there is 5 pixel offset. Not a biggie but some items on the form are not aligned properly. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187312 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: IIS questions
Any known savings? Not unless you're using ASP. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187308 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
WOT: Porting flash games
Apologies for the WOT - please e-mail me off list if you have any clues. Is it possible to port games written in Flash to other game consoles e.g. Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo etc ++ Kevin Parker Web Services Manager WorkCover Corporation p: 08 8233 2548 m: 0418 806 166 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.workcover.com ++ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SOT moving to FireFox
-Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT moving to FireFox I was wondering if M$ is doing this on purpose or just doesn't care. I doubt they are doing it on purpose. I think it's just they just have little reason to fix them, and some people insist that is valid behavior because they have lots of money. For what it's worth it seems clear to me that IE was an unfortunate victim of consolidation. Let's remember that IE 6 is what, 5 years old? When it was released it really did have surprisingly good standards support (especially considering that many of the standards that it supported weren't even done yet) - perhaps the best at the time (even Opera, which had better support for some standards at the time failed to support others completely). MS sat on its haunches watching this (admit it) truly good browser grow in usage until it dominated. Then they got lazy. Sure, they addressed security issues but there was nothing more than keeping the lights on maintenance money for IE. They got so lazy in fact that even an open source project was able to smoke them (talk about the tortoise and the hair - FireFox took at least 5 years of development to reach 1.0 status). Finally they formalized the ridiculousness: new versions of IE would only be distributed with new versions of Windows. This seemingly solved many issues for them: they spent years in court trying to prove that IE was a core OS component - this only confirmed that. They found themselves with larger OS issues than they imagined so they pulled the best into that arena. Besides, so the logic went, the next version of Windows will be out in late 2004! That's not so long to wait. Of course that's a mistake: the next version of Windows won't reach us until late next year if then - and even then it will lack several of the key technologies driving its development. So MS finds itself with a woefully out of date browser against renewed threats from Apple and open source - both of which bring more to the table than IE. Of course IE has slowed it's own demise somewhat through it's extensibility: browsers like AvantBrowser and others have popped up to add new faces and capabilities to IE. Clever authors have discovered ways to use IEs extensibility to overcome some of the more egregious issues with it. But when it comes down to it we're still looking at a truly ancient codebase (a codebase that I think should be praised for it's longevity rather than crucified for its failings compared to newer tools). MS does seem to have heard the music. Rumors are flying that the IE development team has been reassembled and at that something will be released before the next version of Windows. We'll see if they're able to address the problems in time for it to make any difference, but I hope they do. As old and decrepit as it is IE is still a strong platform. It's a broken platform to be sure, but one that still has a definite spark of promise - if only it wasn't abandoned. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SOT moving to FireFox
Take a look at the post on leftjustified.net on the topic where they tear down the box model and start from scratch universally: http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/19/global-ws-reset/ Adam Howitt http://www.webdevref.com Rob wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:04:20 -0500, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. So how are people coding for this? Determine the browser and then have two dimensions? I just do give and take untill it looks ok in IE and great in FireFox. If it gets really bad then I do sniff the browser and adjust for IEs bugs. Here are some more good ones to watch out for: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html I was wondering if M$ is doing this on purpose or just doesn't care. I doubt they are doing it on purpose. I think it's just they just have little reason to fix them, and some people insist that is valid behavior because they have lots of money. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:46:13 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE incorrectly implements the CSS box model, while FF (and other browsers) gets it right. Specifically, IE assumes the width you specify is for the actual content area of the elements box, while the CSS spec says that the width you specify is for the entire box (including padding, border, and margin). So if you've got 5px of margin, a 1px border, and 4px of padding, your elements will be 10px wider than they should be. Or, if you're looking at it from the IE side, rather than the standards side, a standards compliant browser will show your boxes 10px smaller than you're used to. cheers, barneyb - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187316 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
I think you're a bit off... I could be wrong, but it's been my impression that when a thread finishes processing, it delivers any undelivered content from the buffer immediately and then grabs up the next incoming http request. So nobody's actually waiting for someone else's thread to finsih, just their own. So in the case of being able to spawn as many threads as you want within a request, your request would just be waiting for whatever threads it spawned and then needed results from to continue. I wonder if using large numbers of concurrent threads is helping performance regarding web sites/apps in any case. If a server is processing 100 pages that all take the same time to deliver a limited queue would improve performance because the pages that have finished would be delivered in batches of 10 - i.e. they would already be available to the user. With 100 concurrent threads all users would have to wait until all threads have finished working. So unlimited concurrent threads would not always guarantee better performance. Well, this is just what's been spinning in my head - it's late around here so correct me if I'm completely off. Cheers, Philipp s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44477DE=1 http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45569DE=1 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187317 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion tag prefixes
cfset myCom = CreateObject('Component','myComponent') /
cfset myCom(Blah,Blah,Blah) /
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From: Stephen Cowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Is it all possible to create your own tag prefix? Instead of using cf_
to get to custom tags.
the reason I ask, is to try and reduce the amount of
cfinvoke component=myComponent method=setBlah
cfinvokeargument name=blah
cfinvokeargument name2=blah
cfinvokeargument name3=blah
cfinvokeargument name4=blah
cfinvokeargument name5=blah
... etc
That needs to be called.
I know I could cfinclude it, but I thought a more elegant way would be
to have say,
blah:set name=blah name2=blah name3=blah name4=blah
name5=blah
Or am I barking mad?
Steve
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Re: SOT moving to FireFox
IE incorrectly implements the CSS box model, while FF (and other browsers) gets it right. Specifically, IE assumes the width you specify is for the actual content area of the elements box, while the CSS spec says that the width you specify is for the entire box (including padding, border, and margin). So if you've got 5px of margin, a 1px border, and 4px of padding, your elements will be 10px wider than they should be. Or, if you're looking at it from the IE side, rather than the standards side, a standards compliant browser will show your boxes 10px smaller than you're used to. cheers, barneyb On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:28:48 -0500, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Isaac, I have implemented the second part and it's working fine. I am working now on the first one. There is actually one function for all the events: document.onmouseout = ItemOut; document.onmousedown = ItemDown; document.onmouseup = ItemUp; Thanks again. Victor PS One more thing: Is there a difference in rendering between the two browsers? It seems that there is 5 pixel offset. Not a biggie but some items on the form are not aligned properly. -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
take a look at cfimport.
Doug
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:56 +1100, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
cfset myCom = CreateObject('Component','myComponent') /
cfset myCom(Blah,Blah,Blah) /
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Cowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Is it all possible to create your own tag prefix? Instead of using cf_
to get to custom tags.
the reason I ask, is to try and reduce the amount of
cfinvoke component=myComponent method=setBlah
cfinvokeargument name=blah
cfinvokeargument name2=blah
cfinvokeargument name3=blah
cfinvokeargument name4=blah
cfinvokeargument name5=blah
... etc
That needs to be called.
I know I could cfinclude it, but I thought a more elegant way would be
to have say,
blah:set name=blah name2=blah name3=blah name4=blah
name5=blah
Or am I barking mad?
Steve
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Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
sorry, typo..
cfimport prefix=name taglib=setName.cfm
name:setName fname=Steve
and in setName.cfm
cfinvoke component=MyComponent method=setName
cfinvokeargument name=firstname value=arguments.fname /
/cfinvoke
gives me:
Unknown tag: name:setName.
ColdFusion cannot determine how to process the tag name:setName because
the tag is unknown and not in any imported tag libraries. The tag name
might be misspelled.
Am I completely suffering monday-itis here?
Stephen Cowling wrote:
Hmmm I have been looking at cfimport, but I may be trying to do
something it was never intended to do.
ie.
cfimport prefix=name taglib=name.cfm
name:set argument=value
and in name.cfm it invokes a component, passing the argument value.
But I get this error:
Could not import the tag library specified by name.cfm.
Douglas Knudsen wrote:
take a look at cfimport.
Doug
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:56 +1100, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
cfset myCom = CreateObject('Component','myComponent') /
cfset myCom(Blah,Blah,Blah) /
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Cowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Is it all possible to create your own tag prefix? Instead of using cf_
to get to custom tags.
the reason I ask, is to try and reduce the amount of
cfinvoke component=myComponent method=setBlah
cfinvokeargument name=blah
cfinvokeargument name2=blah
cfinvokeargument name3=blah
cfinvokeargument name4=blah
cfinvokeargument name5=blah
... etc
That needs to be called.
I know I could cfinclude it, but I thought a more elegant way would be
to have say,
blah:set name=blah name2=blah name3=blah name4=blah
name5=blah
Or am I barking mad?
Steve
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Re: SOT moving to FireFox
There are a few CSS parsing bugs that are unique to IE as well. You
can use those to easily specify both dimensions. For example, IE will
transparently ignore // comment in stylesheets, while Mozilla
correctly recognizes the invalid syntax and ignores through the end of
the rule. That lets you do things like this:
#mydiv {
width: 50px;
border: 1px solid #f90;
padding: 3px;
margin: 0px;
// width: 58px;
}
Now the mydiv box will appear the same width on both IE and FF (50
pixel content area, 58 pixels to the outside of the borders). There
is also a hack termed the box model hack that a google search should
turn up quite easily.
To return to the discussion (read: flame war) of a few days ago, this
is a good example of developing compliant code, and then tweaking it
for IE's discrepancies. In other words, I deal with the first four
lines of that style block, and then when I'm finished with everything,
fire it up and IE and see what bits of hackery I need to add (the
fifth line). In general, there aren't very many unless you'd doing
pretty complicated layout stuff that requires pixel perfection.
cheers,
barneyb
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:04:20 -0500, Victor Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting. So how are people coding for this? Determine the browser
and then have two dimensions?
I was wondering if M$ is doing this on purpose or just doesn't care.
Thanks Barney
Victor
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Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
the 'taglib' attribute to CFIMPORT is a directory. You then reference the files in the directory using the prefix. So if you do this: cfimport prefix=name taglib=path/to/my/custom/tags / then you can call the custom tag named mytag.cfm inside the path/to/my/custom/tags directory like this: name:mytag ... / CFIMPORT is nothing more than an alternate way to call custom tags, with much greater specificity than using custom tag paths from the administrator. it also lets you call JSP custom tags, but that's a bit of a different topic. cheers, barneyb On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:12:04 +1100, Stephen Cowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry, typo.. cfimport prefix=name taglib=setName.cfm name:setName fname=Steve and in setName.cfm cfinvoke component=MyComponent method=setName cfinvokeargument name=firstname value=arguments.fname / /cfinvoke gives me: Unknown tag: name:setName. ColdFusion cannot determine how to process the tag name:setName because the tag is unknown and not in any imported tag libraries. The tag name might be misspelled. Am I completely suffering monday-itis here? -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187325 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Coldfusion tag prefixes
Is it all possible to create your own tag prefix? Instead of using cf_ to get to custom tags. the reason I ask, is to try and reduce the amount of cfinvoke component=myComponent method=setBlah cfinvokeargument name=blah cfinvokeargument name2=blah cfinvokeargument name3=blah cfinvokeargument name4=blah cfinvokeargument name5=blah ... etc That needs to be called. I know I could cfinclude it, but I thought a more elegant way would be to have say, blah:set name=blah name2=blah name3=blah name4=blah name5=blah Or am I barking mad? Steve -- ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187318 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
-Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!! I think you're a bit off... I think that the original poster might be confusing two separate things here: asynchronous calls and thread pooling. CF has been doing thread pooling since it became truly multi-threaded in CF 3 or 4 (I forget which... but I think it was 3). All this means is that a certain number of threads is set aside for handling requests (the default is 10). When a request comes in it's assigned to a thread from the pool which runs it serially and returns. If all threads are active the request is queued and will be assigned the first available thread. As an aside the number of threads is only important in relation to your application. It should be clear that all active threads actually share the resources of the box. So, for example, if your application is highly CPU-bound (a calculator of some time or a data processer) then it's generally recommended that fewer threads be created. This means that more requests may have to wait, but that more processor time can be spread amongst the relatively few threads - this ensures that once a request gets a thread it finishes as fast as possible. (Remember that in actual fact the CPU is essentially running in serial - working on a small piece from each thread one after the other, not at the same time. Since thread management can consume significant resources you want to set your thread count low enough where you're not spending more time managing threads than completing your processing.) By the same token if you're threads may spend a lot of idle time - for example waiting for a web server or a database to respond you can up the number of active threads. Since they're only waiting for responses they're not consuming significant resources on their own - so why not allow a lot of them to put in their orders and wait instead of just a few? Anyway, that's thread pooling. We've had it forever and so has everything else. But the key point here is that within a thread everything runs in SERIAL - it plods along one after the other. A CF template can't call a database and then output a timer while it's waiting for a response. It must make the call, then wait for the DB to respond and then continue. Asynchronous calls (what Isaac was talking about originally) address this problem. This means simply that a single request can start something, then do something else while the first thing is working. Such processing isn't as necessary in web applications as in client-side applications (for example, think how annoying it would be if you counld't read email at the same time you were fetching new mail?) but can be very useful in certain situations. For example I've got a page that allows the user to fetch a PDF from the server. The page checks security permissions, writes and entry to a metrics log file, then delivers the PDF. In this case, as it is today, you musty get a response from the database to continue to deliver the PDF. But the metrics logging isn't critical to the process (in this case at least) so why should it delay the customer request? With an asynchronous call I could spawn a new thread to handle the database entry and then immediately deliver the file. The PDF thread would continue even if the new logging thread failed or was slow for some reason. From a single request I created two distinct, parallel processes that didn't have to be dependent upon one another. I'm not sure how this will be implemented in BlackStone - Isaac's post was the first I'd heard of it. But it is doable in Java (of course) and it wouldn't be all that hard to create a CFC to kick something like this off in CFMX (several people on this list have already done it I'm sure). If they're going to standardize it in BlackStone, more power to them, but HOW they're going to do it I'm not sure. Will they only support orphaned threads (threads which are created and launched but can't communicate back to the parent thread) or will they support a more complete model. As I said the actual practical uses for this kind of thing in a web application aren't all that common (think of the really good CF or ASP applications you've seen - none of them support this - I may be wrong, but I don't think PHP supports it either). So I would bet it will pretty simplistic support, not a full thread management model, but that's just a guess. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187327 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Hmmm I have been looking at cfimport, but I may be trying to do
something it was never intended to do.
ie.
cfimport prefix=name taglib=name.cfm
name:set argument=value
and in name.cfm it invokes a component, passing the argument value.
But I get this error:
Could not import the tag library specified by name.cfm.
Douglas Knudsen wrote:
take a look at cfimport.
Doug
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:56 +1100, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
cfset myCom = CreateObject('Component','myComponent') /
cfset myCom(Blah,Blah,Blah) /
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Cowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 13 December 2004 3:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Is it all possible to create your own tag prefix? Instead of using cf_
to get to custom tags.
the reason I ask, is to try and reduce the amount of
cfinvoke component=myComponent method=setBlah
cfinvokeargument name=blah
cfinvokeargument name2=blah
cfinvokeargument name3=blah
cfinvokeargument name4=blah
cfinvokeargument name5=blah
... etc
That needs to be called.
I know I could cfinclude it, but I thought a more elegant way would be
to have say,
blah:set name=blah name2=blah name3=blah name4=blah
name5=blah
Or am I barking mad?
Steve
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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:02:18 -0500, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure how this will be implemented in BlackStone - Isaac's post was the first I'd heard of it. But it is doable in Java (of course) and it wouldn't be all that hard to create a CFC to kick something like this off in CFMX (several people on this list have already done it I'm sure). If they're going to standardize it in BlackStone, more power to them, but HOW they're going to do it I'm not sure. Will they only support orphaned threads (threads which are created and launched but can't communicate back to the parent thread) or will they support a more complete model. Go read Damon Cooper's blog - he goes into quite a bit of detail about how this will work and, I believe, gives a code example. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187328 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Re: Coldfusion tag prefixes
Ahhh.. OK. I'll give that a go. thanks all. Barney Boisvert wrote: the 'taglib' attribute to CFIMPORT is a directory. You then reference the files in the directory using the prefix. So if you do this: cfimport prefix=name taglib=path/to/my/custom/tags / then you can call the custom tag named mytag.cfm inside the path/to/my/custom/tags directory like this: name:mytag ... / CFIMPORT is nothing more than an alternate way to call custom tags, with much greater specificity than using custom tag paths from the administrator. it also lets you call JSP custom tags, but that's a bit of a different topic. cheers, barneyb On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:12:04 +1100, Stephen Cowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry, typo.. cfimport prefix=name taglib=setName.cfm name:setName fname=Steve and in setName.cfm cfinvoke component=MyComponent method=setName cfinvokeargument name=firstname value=arguments.fname / /cfinvoke gives me: Unknown tag: name:setName. ColdFusion cannot determine how to process the tag name:setName because the tag is unknown and not in any imported tag libraries. The tag name might be misspelled. Am I completely suffering monday-itis here? -- ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187326 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SOT moving to FireFox
After sending this I realized I was AMAZINGLY unclear on the first
paragraph. What I should have said was something like this :
IE has some parsing bugs that can make this easier. For example, if
you use a // for a one-line comment (a syntax that CSS does NOT
support), IE will read the slashes, and then continue to read
whatever's behind it. Mozilla (including FF) will properly ignore the
entire line as invalid. So you can specify the standards-compliant
style value, and then specify an IE-only one behind double slashes:
Sorry for the confusion.
cheers,
barneyb
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:27:45 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are a few CSS parsing bugs that are unique to IE as well. You
can use those to easily specify both dimensions. For example, IE will
transparently ignore // comment in stylesheets, while Mozilla
correctly recognizes the invalid syntax and ignores through the end of
the rule. That lets you do things like this:
#mydiv {
width: 50px;
border: 1px solid #f90;
padding: 3px;
margin: 0px;
// width: 58px;
}
Now the mydiv box will appear the same width on both IE and FF (50
pixel content area, 58 pixels to the outside of the borders). There
is also a hack termed the box model hack that a google search should
turn up quite easily.
To return to the discussion (read: flame war) of a few days ago, this
is a good example of developing compliant code, and then tweaking it
for IE's discrepancies. In other words, I deal with the first four
lines of that style block, and then when I'm finished with everything,
fire it up and IE and see what bits of hackery I need to add (the
fifth line). In general, there aren't very many unless you'd doing
pretty complicated layout stuff that requires pixel perfection.
cheers,
barneyb
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Re: Blackstone Beta
Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187252 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Web services ok for sensitive data?
A web service is exactly the same as a normal web request, except that they're designed to be made by machines, and not web browsers. They're not any more or less secure than any interaction over the web. So if a given piece of data is exchanged with a normal client (i.e. a user with a browser), then just make sure your web service has the same security considerations placed on it (HTTPS, appropriate authentication and authorization), and it'll be just as secure. cheers, barneyb On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:55:15 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a web service feasible for sensitive data? Like passing sensitive data to the service? I don't know enough about them, but I'd think not. Thanks, Will -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187272 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. There's the rub with CF. I agree with what you're saying, but then I have to explain to my small-medium sized clients this concept. You have to SELL them on CF. Do you do it by saying, the code is so much easier, and I'll have less development time involved in your project because of it? The small - medium guys are listening to me and looking at 6K up front! Is a shift to .NET taking place because clients aren't being *SOLD* on CF? Small to medium sized clients are exactly the ones that would benefit from the professional edition of CF (at $1300 less depending on current deals) or BlueDragon Server (starting at free). Recommending CF Enterprise to small/medium clients is, in most cases, simply wrong and completely overkill. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187278 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!
ASP.NET is taking market away from CF! I doubt you can substantiate that. CF's market share appears to have shrunk from the old 2.0 and 3.0 days, but there's been a lot more going on than ASP.NET. In fact, ASP.NET is a minor blip on CF's radar when compared to the giant swarm of open-source development platforms like PHP. I'm just trying to wake people up... Why? Perhaps people know something about their businesses or clients that you don't. CF is still outrageous to purchase. (1) Anyone who is price-conscious won't be using ASP.NET. They'll be using PHP or Ruby on a Linux box. (2) Anyone who is forced to pay an outrageous price for CF (those in need of Enterprise features) is already paying much, much more for the development and hosting of a large, complicated, and clustered application. -- Roger Benningfield JournURL: http://journurl.com/ blog: http://admin.support.journurl.com/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187279 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
select next/previous *record*?
I have an application where the user selects a record via a key lookup, and then that record is displayed individually. From there I want to be able to click a '' button to go to the previous record in the sequence, or a '' to go to the next record, and continue to select records via this method as an alternative to the key lookup. I did this in an entirely different environment where I was able to use native controls that allowed straight up SELECT NEXT and SELECT PREVIOUS commands, where I was also able to throw those commands into a loop for fast forward and rewind as well. Don't expect to get that in the web world, but I need the next/previous. I think I can come up with something, but the convolutions necessary to make it work are making my head hurt. Is there something simple and obvious I have missed on this (for me) Sunday morning?. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187281 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: select next/previous *record*?
I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but if it's SQL, I've done this in the past: SELECT * FROM table WHERE id #currentId# ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1 for getting the previous item. Just flipt the to and make the order ASC to get next record. The LIMIT clause is MySQL's version of MS products' TOP clause. If you want to fast forward, the LIMIT clause also specifies an offset, so you can do LIMIT 19, 1 to pull the 20th item in the list. With MS's TOP clause, you have to pull all 20, and then just look at the last one, I believe. cheers, barneyb On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:58:50 -0800, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an application where the user selects a record via a key lookup, and then that record is displayed individually. From there I want to be able to click a '' button to go to the previous record in the sequence, or a '' to go to the next record, and continue to select records via this method as an alternative to the key lookup. I did this in an entirely different environment where I was able to use native controls that allowed straight up SELECT NEXT and SELECT PREVIOUS commands, where I was also able to throw those commands into a loop for fast forward and rewind as well. Don't expect to get that in the web world, but I need the next/previous. I think I can come up with something, but the convolutions necessary to make it work are making my head hurt. Is there something simple and obvious I have missed on this (for me) Sunday morning?. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187283 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
