Quitting the list

[Irvin Gomez]

Just a brief note to announce that I'm quitting the list immediately. My mail 
box has received quite a bit of truly nasty stuff as a result of my debate 
(with Dave Watts, mostly) over CF's future.

There is no need for this type of unprofessional behavior, so I'd rather quit - 
even though I have enjoyed being a member for several years.

It should be mentioned that Dave Watts is NOT one of the people sending the 
emails.

Good luck, everyone. No hard feelings. Life goes on. 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

> 
> But now that you put it your way, yeah, I agree that I think you're a 
> jerk.
> 
> Cheers,
>Juda


Don't get so angry. My opinion should not be that important to you. ;-) 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

> 
> I would never call you a trool. Because I have a spell-checker.

Childish.


> Perhaps I'm being ungenerous, but that kind of response from you
> indicates to me that you don't take this seriously enough to engage
> your brain cells and actually read what was written. 

More childish attack.

>Which, you know,
> kind of makes you look like a trool after all, if you know what I
> mean. 

Even more childish.


>Anyway, to give you the benefit of the doubt, here's an
> executive summary of what I wrote, paragraph by paragraph.
> 
> 1. CFLib belongs to Ray.
> 

That doesn't mean he can't get help from the *assumed* CF community. He is 
alone because the small community does not have new blood. New blood carries 
the torch and keeps things moving. The 'old-timers' are too busy discussing OOP 
concepts -which is their right. The problem is that the lack on new blood will 
eventually kill CF - and that's the simple point I make.


> 2. Why are new tutorials needed, since CF's basic functionality 
> hasn't
> changed significantly?
> 

A cursory glance at how things stand today will show any objective observer 
that a lot of those resources are obsolete, in need of re-vamping (lots of new 
features have been introduced) or were deleted a long time ago.

> 3. There are plenty of beginner and intermediate questions on the list.
>

But how many lists are there? And how many questions in this list? In fact, it 
could be argued that this list is perfect example of a stagnant community. 
> 

> 4. People blog about their interests, not solely for promotional 
> reasons.
>

Once again, I'm not holding the small CF community responsible for anything. 
Strawman argument. 


> 5. CF is a successful product.
>

That doesn't mean it is not dying slowly. Strawman argument.

 
> 6. The CF "community" is not composed solely of Adobe employees.
>

You love your straw man, don't you?

 
> 7. Your behavior looks like trolling, even if you're not a troll.
> 

More childish stuff.


> 8. If you want more evangelism, be an evangelist.
>

Strawman argument. I never said I wanted more 'evangelism". 

 
> So, out of those, there's one paragraph that mentions trolling, and
> states you may well not be a troll. Given your apparent level of
> reading comprehension, you might want to read these things more 
> slowly
> and carefully.
> 

More childish, dishonest attack - but it seems the norm with you.


> > In any case, why 10 years?
> Because people have been posting this crap here for ten years already.
> They were posting it when CF was called "Allaire Cold Fusion."
>

The way things are going, the ten years may not be necessary. But only time 
will tell. Hope you're right, though. I hope Coldfusion remains a valid option 
for many years to come. 


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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

> 
> Adobe will do what they will do. I don't really have any control over
> that, do you? Unless you're a secret majority shareholder, I'm
> guessing the answer is no.
> 

I agree - we do not have any control over what Adobe does. But that doesn't 
mean we can't have a little fun expressing and debating our opinions, does it?

I'm not on a crusade against Adobe - this is just an interesting conversation 
to have for a bit. By the time Pacquiao destroys JM Marquez tomorrow night it 
will be forgotten :-) 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>
>
>I don't know how long you've been working with computers, Irvin, but
>no language "wins". We develop and evolve. The problems we try to
>solve change. We figure out new ways of tackling old problems. Best
>practices come and go.
>

I never used the word "wins". That's your perception. And no, no language ever 
'wins', but some DO die out, and that more like the argument that is often made 
about CF.


>Coldfusion is a solid and respected product. It continues to evolve.
>It won't be around forever, but then again, nothing will be. Continue
>to explore and learn, if you have jobs that don't need a specific
>tool, use the ones you love and get the job done quick. Then go out
>and learn some more and see what options you have for the next job.


Luckily for me, I have a very stable working environment.


>Theoretically, that's why people hire us, because we learn and think
>and adapt and figure out how to solve problems.  So, with that in
>mind, put that thinking cap on apply a bit more broad minded look at
>the world around you and you might get a better appreciation of where
>you, CF and the big wide world of application development really
>stands.
>

No amount of veiled attacks will make my argument any less compelling - but I 
guess that's the only resource you have, so you have to use it. I fully 
expected the personal attacks, but it's ok. It's your opinion and I respect it 
:-) 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

Your post - which basically amounted to using 10 paragraphs to call me a trool 
- did not deserve much of an answer.

In any case, why 10 years?


>> Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments.
>
>That's one hell of a rebuttal. Let's reconvene on this ten years from now, ok?
>

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

If you truly believe what you say you would not criticize me because...I'm 
criticizing others :-)

And yes, it is Adobe's responsibility. It is Adobe's product. 

It's not up to teenagers to promote Nike. Nike has to pay the big names to 
promote Nike products, so that teenagers buy them. That's how it works in the 
real world.

Yes, it is perfectly legitimate and reasonable to expect Adobe to invest some 
money promoting Coldfusion. Why not?



> > Why won't Adobe PAY
> >
> > ...
> >
> > No, I do not blog about ANYTHING. I'm too busy working to pay my 
> bills - and yes, I use and love Coldfusion every day.
> 
> It's very easy to tell other people how they should spend their money, 
> isn't it?
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
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> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

> You seem to think that web development is a "winner-take-all" market.
> But it isn't. There's room for plenty of web development languages. 
> CF
> is one of those languages. Not everyone has to use CF for it to be a
> successful product. It just has to make money for Adobe.
> 

I wish the Pollyanna approach were productive, but it is not. If there are no 
new adopters of the language, it will die out. As simpe as that.



> 
> Unless those unwashed masses start buying software licenses, they
> don't pay the bills at Adobe. CF is not free. PHP is free. CF is sold
> to companies, and it really isn't marketed to the freelance web
> developer, etc. Unless those WordPress hackers are willing to cough 
> up
> the dough for a CF Standard license, they may as well not exist as 
> far
> as Adobe is concerned.
> 

That's not a good strategy as seen by the stagnant CF community. Perhaps if 
Adobe made CF more attractive (not better - my argument is not against CF or 
its capabilities), people would feel paying for it was a good idea. I know - I 
paid for it as a beginner. I'm optimistic that there are many others like me. 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments.




> > I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is 
> dying a very slow death: why are you the
> > one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community 
> these days?
> 
> CFLib is Ray's "responsibility" because it's his. It's not Adobe's.
> It's not "the community's".
> 
> > How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would 
> show potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is?
> 
> How would those differ from the simple tutorials posted in the past?
> The fundamentals of CF really haven't changed that much, have they?
> 
> > The signs are everywhere: this list has very little "new blood".
> 
> Well, people see what they want to see. What you see as a negative, I
> see as a positive - CF is a mature language, and has mature
> developers. Perhaps people don't post as many simple questions to the
> list because they've all been asked and answered, and you can easily
> find said answers with a simple Google search. All that said, I still
> see lots of beginner and intermediate questions here and on the Adobe
> forums.
> 
> > The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with 
> stuff way beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing
> > to promote Coldfusion, because the ones who can see the value in 
> those discussions are long-time CF converts. It's preaching to the 
> choir.
> 
> I think you misunderstand the purpose of these blogs. For the most
> part, they don't exist to convert people to CF or promote CF, etc.
> They exist to scratch an itch of their authors. People blog about the
> things that interest them.
> 
> > Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not 
> allocating enough resources to a technology/product the derive 
> financial benefit from.
> 
> Every time I see this argument - whether it's Adobe, Macromedia or
> Allaire not allocating enough resources - I just don't know where to
> begin. The product is successful. It's a niche product - it's never
> going to take over the world - but it's successful.
> 
> > Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it 
> would be much better if the powerful voices in the community 
> acknowledged
> > that more needs to be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. 
> Attacking the messenger is not going to get much done. That's my
> > opinion and I hope it can be respected the way I respect those who 
> disagree with it.
> 
> Presumably, the "powerful voices in the community" have work to do.
> They use CF because it helps them do that work faster and better.
> Unless they're actually Adobe employees, they're not product
> evangelists and they don't get paychecks from Adobe.
> 
> As for "attacking the messenger": the worst I've seen is that you've
> been called a troll. And your behavior certainly matches that
> description even if it's not your intent. You posted something that's
> been regularly posted for the ten or more years I've been on this
> list. What do you expect the outcome to be? Adobe will start spending
> more money on marketing, etc, because now you posted this? The
> "powerful voices in the community" will finally see the light or
> something? No. There is no real justification for posting "CF is
> dying" on a CF developers list - there is no positive outcome
> possible, and it has the effect of trolling whether that's what you
> wanted or not.
> 
> You want things to be different? Make them different yourself. Write
> the blog posts you want to see. Be the evangelist you want others to
> be. Lead by example. But this ... this is no way to accomplish
> anything other than getting a bunch of people riled up over nothing.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>I think you'll find that all of the "powerful voices" in CF have been
>begging Adobe to do more for years.
>

Perhaps 'begging" is the wrong approach. Perhap they should tell Adobe  - in a 
clear manner - that Coldfusion is dying from pure neglect.

Why won't Adobe PAY some of the more knowledgeable people to spend time 
creating new tutorials, example, etc.? That's an investment, not a favor or a 
handout.

Why won't Adobe pay to give a great site to one of its great voices, Ben Forta? 
It is a shame to look at it, to be honest. Perhaps he doesn't care, but the 
whole thing has the potentital to give CF a very bad - and undeserved - image.



>I'd agree with you though about Ray, Ben, and a few others. They're so
>prolific that it's all too easy to let them shoulder the burden of preaching
>"that CF stuff". I could ask though, do you blog about ColdFusion? :D
>

No, I do not blog about ANYTHING. I'm too busy working to pay my bills - and 
yes, I use and love Coldfusion every day. Massimo Foti recommended I give it a 
try a few years ago and I produced a web site with a database backend within 
one week. Not because I was great at coding (I'm not, to this day); I could do 
it because that's how great CF is - but nobody knows that outside the CF 
community. And that's a shame. 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>To give a littler perspective, Irvin, I'm hiring developers currently
>in one language and working on learning a couple others myself.
>
[...]
>Cheers,
>Judah
>
>On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Irvin Gomez  wrote:
>>

The reason Coldfusion is dying a slow death has nothing to do with Coldfusion 
itself or its capabilities (I'm a convert, remember). Coldfusion is fine. The 
problem is one of perception: the overwhelming majority of people entering the 
programming arena will  - rightfully so - go with .Net or PHP instead of 
Coldfusion. For a few very simple reasons:

1. They are more popular, especially PHP.
2. Because they are more popular, the person feels that employment/income 
opportunities will be better with those languages.
3. The resources available to beginners are more numerous or simply visible 
(PHP).
4. For whatever the reason, Coldfusion is perceived as something of a 
'has-been' language.

And, yes, you would not hire guys without great expertise. But that's not what 
pays the bills at Adobe. It is the great 'unwashed masses' who will ultimately 
dictate whether Coldfusion thrives or just continues on life support until the 
current generation of diehards dies out. It is a reality. 99% of the guys doing 
PHP are just WordPress hackers - but who cares? I wish Coldfusion  - as good as 
it is - could say the same.

That's my perspective. 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I
>didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good
>problem to have.
>
>On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez  wrote:
>>

I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very 
slow death: why are you the one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest 
of the community these days?

How come nobody is posting new examples, simple tutorials that would show 
potential new users how nice and easy Coldfusion is?

The signs are everywhere: this list has very little "new blood". 

The few coldfusion blogs that are actually popular mostly deal with stuff way 
beyong beginning or itermediate level. That does nothing to promote Coldfusion, 
because the ones who can see the value in those discussions are long-time CF 
converts. It's preaching to the choir.

Now, I'm not attacking anyone - it is all Adobe's fault for not allocating 
enough resources to a technology/product the derive financial benefit from. 

Finally, I think this state of denial does not benefit anyone; it would be much 
better if the powerful voices in the community acknowledged that more needs to 
be done to give Coldfusion the place it deserves. Attacking the messenger is 
not going to get much done. That's my opinion and I hope it can be respected 
the way I respect those who disagree with it. 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>Not this again.
>


You asked for it, boy :-) 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

> > I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is 
> dying a slow death ...
> 
> I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow.
> 

Sincerely hope you are right and I'm wrong. 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>And on cue here comes the trolls.
>
>
>
>Wil Genovese
>
>One man with courage makes a majority.
>-Andrew Jackson
>
>A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 
>
>On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
>>

And the insults are on cue, too! ;-)

 

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Re: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

>On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote:
>
>> Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie
>> Apocalypse? Sweet!
>

CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is 
dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving 
community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for 
beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly.

CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on 
queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of 
money to give the man a nice site

The current CF talk is about OOP and complicated stuff that 99% of the users 
don't need or understand. The experts have gone "too hard core", scaring away 
people who could embrace Coldfusion's greatest asset: getting the basics 
quickly. That's what 99% of sites need: a little procedural code to get the 
website going without problems.

I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a slow 
death and there is absolutely no reason why a person entering the web 
programming arena should go with Coldfusion instead of PHP, for example. I 
write these words with pain, because I love CF, but the truth is the truth. Now 
I must go back to finishing my Begineer PHP book (shame on me!). 

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Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Irvin Gomez]

http://www.google.com/search?q=adobe+flash&num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gbv=2&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w&sa=X&ei=V7O6TomxEeb30gH3w_XdCQ&ved=0CA0QpwUoAw&biw=1920&bih=1075
 

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Re: A better ParagraphFormat

[Irvin Gomez]

>You need to manually submit it...
>
>where it may stay for a while. Really need help with the CFLib queue.
>
>

Will do. Thanks! 

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Re: A better ParagraphFormat

[Irvin Gomez]

>Why not add to http://cflib.org
>
>>

I sent an email to Ray - hopefully he will find it good enough for inclusion. 

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A better ParagraphFormat

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function Textarea2paragraphs(str) {
str = Trim(str);
str = ReReplace("" & str & "", "(\r+)?\n(\r+)?\n", "", 
"ALL");
str = ReReplace(str, chr(13) , "", "ALL"); 
str = ReReplace(str, chr(10) , "", "ALL");
str = ReReplace(str, "", "" & chr(13) & "", "ALL");
return str; 
}


http://www.pixel69.com/paragraph_test.cfm

Tested on windows only. Hope somebody finds it useful.

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Re: (ot) Shameful

[Irvin Gomez]

>Really? You come in here with the intention to insult and raise ire and act
>like you were innocently conveying a  message. Geek please.
>
>
>
>
>>

Keep blindly defending the unwarranted attack. I posted facts and all the 
groupies ganged up on me. Childish and pathetic. 

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Re: (ot) Shameful

[Irvin Gomez]

> Interesting way to introduce your self in a forum where nearly
> everyone is making their living from what you call a comatose product.
> 
> 
> Still, since the demos all work for me and have done since they were
> put up on the web site, i guess that tells us volumes about your
> judgement.   We can apply that assessment of your judgement to your
> claim that Coldfusion is 'comatose'.
> 
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Irvin Gomez  
> wrote:
> >
> > The Adobe Coldfusion 9 demos do not work and have not worked for who 
> knows how long. I guess that's the best way to show Adobe's commitment 
> to its comatose product.
> >
> > http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/demos/
> >
> >
> >

After confirming that others have issues with the demos, whose "judgement" is 
in question? 


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Re: (ot) Shameful

[Irvin Gomez]

>Nope, it didn't work for me. I had to click the link and view it in my
>browser. If Adobe were truly committed to CF, I wouldn't need to
>actually click the link. Rather, uniformed penguins in sequin jackets
>would deliver the demos to me on feather-stuffed pillows while
>simultaneously singing a cappella versions of 1980 TV show theme
>songs.
>
>
>>

Ray,

as you can see from others, I'm not the only one. Please, behave with more 
maturity. You're a nice guy, and the assh*ole suit does not look good on you. 
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Re: (ot) Shameful

[Irvin Gomez]

>I've had problems yesterday and today loading the AIR demo.  I tried FF4,
>Chrome 11 and IE8 on two different internet connections.  The modal opens
>and the player appears but the movie never starts.  If I click play, the
>movie turns dark gray and stops.
>
>Also, the cfspreadsheet demo has a dark overlay on it that makes it very
>difficult to read.  I haven't tried any others.
>
>Me.setAttire("flamesuit");
>
>Jason Durham
>
>
>
>

Thank you!

Nothing to say to the groupies blindly attacking the messenger :-)
>> 

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(ot) Shameful

[Irvin Gomez]

The Adobe Coldfusion 9 demos do not work and have not worked for who knows how 
long. I guess that's the best way to show Adobe's commitment to its comatose 
product.

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/demos/


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Re: Downloading database tables

[Irvin Gomez]

Navicat has scheduled, automated backups (any frequency).

Works flawlessly.


>Hi folks
>
>What is the best way of downloading web database to a local desktop machine.
>
>clients register for programs and the information is on the web database.
>I want to use coldfusion to update my local desktop database 
>
>Thanks
>Rob 

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?

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> >
> 
> I think if you were looking at CF for the first time these days, 
> you'd be looking at the features that were consistent with your skill set.
> If you were a beginner, you'd probably be pretty happy that CF can 
> get
> you up and writing web applications pretty darn quickly. > 
> CF is a very unique animal.  As a beginner, you can get up and 
> running
> very quickly.  As a more experienced developer, you can take 
> advantage
> of a number of powerful features. 
> If you were a beginner, I would think that would look more appealing
> over most other languages :)
> 

Well, that's exactly my point: I'm afraid the "OOP" and "Frameworks" noise will 
not allow potential adopters to see the real benefits of Coldfusion. There is 
so much talk dealing with "advanced features", that it would be very easy for 
people not familiar with coldfusion to feel that it is not any easier or better 
than the alternatives. 

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?

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sorry - this should have been a reply on the other thread. no idea how it ended 
up here...

> Thanks, everyone for all the different perspectives. I know that if I 
> were looking at coldfusion for the first time these days, with all the 
> OOP and framework talk dominating the 'airwaves', I'd probably go with 
> PHP or something else, because there is no real benefit to Coldfusion 
> if the learning curve is similar for other scripting languages (and 
> this is where coldfusion could easily die a quick death: potential 
> adopters would not see the benefits of going with coldfusion over more 
> popular alternatives). But I'm a Graphic Designer, not a hard-core 
> programmer, so, I will continue enjoying all the powerful stuff 
> coldfusion offers. It's more than enough for the intermediate-level 
> stuff i do everyday.  


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Re: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?

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Thanks, everyone for all the different perspectives. I know that if I were 
looking at coldfusion for the first time these days, with all the OOP and 
framework talk dominating the 'airwaves', I'd probably go with PHP or something 
else, because there is no real benefit to Coldfusion if the learning curve is 
similar for other scripting languages (and this is where coldfusion could 
easily die a quick death: potential adopters would not see the benefits of 
going with coldfusion over more popular alternatives). But I'm a Graphic 
Designer, not a hard-core programmer, so, I will continue enjoying all the 
powerful stuff coldfusion offers. It's more than enough for the 
intermediate-level stuff i do everyday.  

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

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> Coming from a design, not programming, background, I embraced 
> Coldfusion for all the well-known reasons: easy to use, easy to learn, 
> easy, easy...you get the idea.
> 
> With the advent of more advanced features, everywhere I go I see a big 
> push for moving Coldfusion and Coldfusion development into very 
> complicated frameworks and  OOP. The usual reason given is that not 
> doing so runs the risk of rendering the Coldfusion developer obsolete 
> in the job marketplace. 
> 
> So, my first question: if the reason for going in the direction 
> suggested is fear of becoming 'unemployable', wouldn't it make far 
> more sense to move into something more "popular" like  PHP, .Net, etc. 
> right away? Because the same argument can be used to scare even the 
> most advanced Coldfusion developers: no matter how good you are, 
> you're still part of a very small minority and doing coldfusion 
> instead of PHP will make you obsolete sooner or later. 
> 
> Second and final question: what's really wrong with a procedural 
> approach when dealing with medium or small web sites (which I imagine 
> is the majority of work entrusted to your average Coldfusion 
> developer)? Is there a legitimate need to learn what *APPEARS* to be 
> over-complicated and clumsy frameworks and OOP strategies? 
> 
> And, please, know i'm not trying to create a flame war. I'm not 
> pretending to be an expert (I'm not) in Coldfusion matters. I'm just 
> trying get the real-world perspective of fellow developers far more 
> experienced and knowledgeable than me. 


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Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Irvin Gomez]

Coming from a design, not programming, background, I embraced Coldfusion for 
all the well-known reasons: easy to use, easy to learn, easy, easy...you get 
the idea.

With the advent of more advanced features, everywhere I go I see a big push for 
moving Coldfusion and Coldfusion development into very complicated frameworks 
and  OOP. The usual reason given is that not doing so runs the risk of 
rendering the Coldfusion developer obsolete in the job marketplace. 

So, my first question: if the reason for going in the direction suggested is 
fear of becoming 'unemployable', wouldn't it make far more sense to move into 
something more "popular" like  PHP, .Net, etc. right away? Because the same 
argument can be used to scare even the most advanced Coldfusion developers: no 
matter how good you are, you're still part of a very small minority and doing 
coldfusion instead of PHP will make you obsolete sooner or later. 

Second and final question: what's really wrong with a procedural approach when 
dealing with medium or small web sites (which I imagine is the majority of work 
entrusted to your average Coldfusion developer)? Is there a legitimate need to 
learn what *APPEARS* to be over-complicated and clumsy frameworks and OOP 
strategies? 

And, please, know i'm not trying to create a flame war. I'm not pretending to 
be an expert (I'm not) in Coldfusion matters. I'm just trying get the 
real-world perspective of fellow developers far more experienced and 
knowledgeable than me. 

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Amazon EC2 & Coldfusion Licensing

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Given the complexity of licensing options under this "cloud" platform (?), 
perhaps it would be a good idea for Adobe to configure a number of servers with 
Coldfusion and then just bill users for the time instantiating them, much like 
Amazon is doing.

The whole Amazon EC2 concept looks incredibly powerful...

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Re: Easy-to-develop recurring billing?

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Authorize.net.

There are several tags for it.

>Whats the easiest gateway to deal with (as in program a solution
>for... preferably something with a tag already developed) with respect
>to setting up recurring payments?  Ideally it would support monthly
>and weekly open-ended.  It would also have to support single
>transactions.
>
>Anyone have a favorite where code is available either at the Exchange
>or from the gateway's support group?
>
>-- 
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Re: Top 100 ColdFusion Programmers

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I nominate Massimo Foti for some position in the top 3. While there are other 
guys who know as much as he does, there are only VERY few who make efficient 
use of the language to solve every-day tasks in an elegant, practical matter.

What I mean, I'd rather have Massimo than Ben Forta on my side - they are both 
great, but Massimo just gets things done better. Hard to explain...

BIG disclaimer: that's just my opinion. YMMV.


>When hiring, it would be helpful to know who out there is the best. When
>I run ads, I get all types of Yahoo's who think they know ColdFusion.
>I'd like to be able to see who are the very best ColdFusion coders out
>there and try to steal one of them for my company. How do you guys find
>the absolute best coders when hiring?
>
>If you want to put comments on my blog, that'd be nice.
>http://jonathanblock.com/blog/jonsblog/100bestcoldfusionprogrammers
>
>Jon
>(ps - if you are a recruiter, DO NOT contact me)

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Re: BLOG Application question

[Irvin Gomez]

Thanks, Rick

I have though a bit more about all the possibilities and came to the conclusion 
that my original idea (requiring a single extra click) will work just fine. I 
has the VERY valid drawbacks you mention, but, on the other hand, it means that 
it also filters out people without much interest in the topics.


>Irvin Gomez wrote:
>> 
>> What about a "poor man's captcha" based on your idea? It would work like 
>> this:
>
>But then why wouldn't you just use a captcha?
>
>You say "poor man's captcha" but you don't have to have money to 
>generate captcha images.  There are a variety of solutions out there to 
>do captcha, and they're free.  One solution is built into my BlogCFM 
>app.. I've never "packaged it" but it essentially makes use of an old 
>image.cfc by Jim Dew to do some writing of text on a background image. 
>I wouldn't use it for something like ticketmaster, but it'll work for 
>most applications.
>
>Rick

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Re: BLOG Application question

[Irvin Gomez]

Agreed, Jacob.

Thanks!

> I think your solution will work fine.  But the users won't like it,
> which is why most people try to do some form of captcha.  
> 
> On my blog I use JS to ask the user for the answer to a simple math
> problem.  Then I use Ajax to create a session variable, if they
> correctly answer the question.  On the landing page I check for the
> session var.  This method has stopped all spam from my blog, and I 
> don't
> think users hate it as much as the hard to read images you usually see.
> 
> The fact of the matter is that any kind of extra steps the users have 
> to
> do will be cumbersome, but you have to try to make it as simple as
> possible.
> 
> That said, I've recently come to believe that it would even be better 
> to
> just post the form with Ajax (after doing the math thing).  That way
> there /is/ no landing page.  The reason this is good is because most
> spammers just directly access your form processor.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:34 AM
> > 
> > Hi, everyone!
> > 
> > I'm developing a small blog application for a client. Trying 
> > to minimize spam without using a CAPTCHA (to keep matters 
> > simple), I came up with this idea (similar to Cragilist's 
> > post verification):
> > 
> > Require email verification the first time only.
> > 
> > It would work like this:
> > 
> > 1. Create an "emails" table in the database (email_id, email, 
> active).
> > 2. Whenever someone posts (email required), "emails" table is 
> > accessed to verify that email address is in the database and 
> > is also active. If it isn't, email address is added to the 
> > database (in "inactive' status) and an email is sent to the 
> > posted email asking for confirmation. Clicking on link 
> > provided in email message will set email address to "active" 
> > and publish post automatically. If user doesn't "activate" 
> > email address (because the email address was bogus or any 
> > other reason) within, say, 1 day, post and email address are deleted.
> 
> > 
> > After that initial "verification' process, all posts by this 
> > person will be published instaneously as long as the email 
> > provided matches one in the database (email addresses will 
> > not be made public, for obvious reasons).
> > 
> > My questions:
> > 
> > 1. Will this be effective in REASONABLY minimizing spam?
> > 2. Is it too cumbersome? (it's way shorter and easier than 
> > registering for a forum, for example)
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Re: BLOG Application question

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Thanks, Rick!

What about a "poor man's captcha" based on your idea? It would work like this:

1. Create, say, 10 images, each one containing a simple, easy-to-read word.
2. Set a list of matching words in the request scope.
3. Show images ramdomly, asking user to input the word on the image.
4. Accept/reject post based on match/mismatch.


>>> -Original Message-
>
>
>post verification via email sucks for a variety of reasons:
>
>#1 - normal spam filters
>#2 - greylisting
>#3 - response verification whitelisting.  Or whatever its called.  That 
>crap that earthlink does.
>
>Want to see one of my solutions to prevent guestbook spam?  It's not 
>perfect but it has worked very well
>
>www.bobguiney.com/gb.cfm
>
>The question is:
>
>"To help me prevent comment spam, type Bob's last name here:"
>
>I haven't gotten a single guestbook spam since I put that in there. 
>Plus I changed the filename from "guestbook.cfm" to "gb.cfm".  Lots of 
>comment and guestbook spammers look for "standard" filenames.
>
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BLOG Application question

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Hi, everyone!

I'm developing a small blog application for a client. Trying to minimize spam 
whithout using a CAPTCHA (to keep matters simple), I came up with this idea 
(similar to Cragilist's post verification):

Require email verification the first time only.

It would work like this:

1. Create an "emails" table in the database (email_id, email, active).
2. Whenever someone posts (email required), "emails" table is accessed to 
verify that email address is in the database and is also active. If it isn't, 
email address is added to the database (in "inactive' status) and an email is 
sent to the posted email asking for confirmation. Clicking on link provided in 
email message will set email address to "active" and publish post 
automatically. If user doesn't "activate" email address (because the email 
address was bogus or any other reason) within, say, 1 day, post and email 
address are deleted.

After that initial "verification' process, all posts by this person will be 
published instaneously as long as the email provided matches one in the 
database (email addresses will not be made public, for obvious reasons).

My questions:

1. Will this be effective in REASONABLY minimizing spam?
2. Is it too cumbersome? (it's way shorter and easier than registering for a 
forum, for example)

Thanks in advance for any opinions on this.

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Re: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

[Irvin Gomez]

What about adding a "last_changed" column to your table. The initial value 
would be the date the record was entered. On edits to that record, this value 
would be edited (changed) to reflect the date those edits took place.

Then, finding records that didn't change in the last seven days is a matter of 
doing a "select" where "last_changed" < "today's date minus 7 days". 

HTH.


>Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't gotten
>many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL wizards have input.
>
>http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389438
>
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Re: CFFORM Flash form

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> Is anyone out there seriously coding using the CFFORM flash forms?  I 
> am seeing no improvement in performance in this area but users are 
> seduced by the look and feel and think this is the way to go.
> 
> Can someone suggest a good discussion on CFFORM flash pros and 
cons?

I would like to see some real-world examples of Flash Forms on a site with 
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Re: CSS table-type layout

[Irvin Gomez]

>I agree with Bobby.  Style sheets originally come from print graphics 
>applications such as Quark, where they are used to more easily control the 
>look and feel of text elements.  That was also the original idea (I think) 
>for their use on the web.  People seem to enjoy twisting themselves into 
>pretzels trying to get CSS to do what tables already do easily.  Sounds like 
>with the real estate application you are setting up, you would want to use 
>tables to output the listings and use css for controlling look and feel 
>elements.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Bobby Hartsfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" 


Well said.
>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:01 PM
>Subject: RE: CSS table-type layout
>
>
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Re: Shopping Cart solution - any others to look at?

[Irvin Gomez]

> I'd write my own. The ones you mentioned are all limiting in some way. 
> Plus, customizing them sucks! 
> 
> Write your own shoppingcart.cfc and the sky's the limit!
> 


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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Irvin Gomez]

Toolbars can be configured in FCKEditor, too. And the new version works on a 
couple other browsers.

TinyMCE is very nice, but the lack of image upload and preview is enough for me 
to not use it. My experience is that clients need and love this feature. Rick 
Root developed a "plugin" that kind of solves this problem (it lacks image 
preview).

Perhaps TinyMCE has adressed this, in which case it would make sense to give it 
a second look, because it certainly beats FCKEDitor on presentation alone.


>> -Original Message-
>> From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> 
>> I like FCKEditor v1.6.
>
>FCKeditor v1 only works with IE.
>
>> Version 2 is out with additional features (like form 
>> creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; 
>> I consider them useless and potentially dangerous
>
>That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so
>you're not giving people access to completely break everything.
>
>-- 
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>The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
>#include 

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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Irvin Gomez]

Correction: the features I listed as "new" were there in previous versions. New 
features are flash objects, support for Active FoxPro Pages, etc. 


> I like FCKEditor v1.6.
> 
> Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, 
> fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless 
> and potentially dangerous - if given too many options, users will soon 
> destroy the site's look. (it should be pointed out that you can always 
> configure the editor's toolbar to only include those features you deem 
> appropriate, so using v2 is perfectly ok; I don't use it bacause I 
> don't need any of the extra stuff  and I don't feel like working on 
> the extensive customization needed to make everything work smoothly - 
> a perfect example being the hard-coded upload directories).
> 
> There's no right or wrong approach.
> 
> 
> Look here for a minimalist view and implementation of a different 
> editor (by Massimo Foti, a very knowledgeable guy): 
> 
> http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tmt_xhtmleditorPro/
> 
> 
> Irvin
> 
> 
> 
> >So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to 
> build
> >our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently 
> never
> >heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about 
> anymore.
> > 
> > 
> >Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
> >Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
> >Lone Jet Enterprises
> >Glendale, Arizona
> >www.LoneJet.
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Irvin Gomez]

I like FCKEditor v1.6.

Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, fonts, 
colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless and potentially 
dangerous - if given too many options, users will soon destroy the site's look. 
(it should be pointed out that you can always configure the editor's toolbar to 
only include those features you deem appropriate, so using v2 is perfectly ok; 
I don't use it bacause I don't need any of the extra stuff  and I don't feel 
like working on the extensive customization needed to make everything work 
smoothly - a perfect example being the hard-coded upload directories).

There's no right or wrong approach.


Look here for a minimalist view and implementation of a different editor (by 
Massimo Foti, a very knowledgeable guy): 

http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tmt_xhtmleditorPro/


Irvin



>So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build
>our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never
>heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore.
> 
> 
>Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
>Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
>Lone Jet Enterprises
>Glendale, Arizona
>www.LoneJet.com

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Re: MySQL JDBC Driver (MySQL connector)

[Irvin Gomez]

>Got a link to info on ConnectorJ Ken?? ;-)


See the link I provided. It works perfectly well.


>
>and yes...yer rightthe MySQL Connector is what I'm using now (it's not 
>CF specificit's a JAR you can add to CF)
>
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>fax: 250.480.1264
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>Subject: Re: MySQL JDBC Driver (MySQL connector)
>
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Re: MySQL JDBC Driver (MySQL connector)

[Irvin Gomez]

> Hey All,
> 
> I've got a MySQL Datasource in CF MX 7 (installed as a J2EE instance) 
> and I did some workaround to make the datasource work with MySQL 4.1 
> (the one shipped is for 3.x).  The problem is now that the datasource 
> verifies, any query using CFQUERYPARAM on a numeric field will return 
> no data.  As soon as I remove the CFQUERYPARAM and use the raw 
> variable...voila...data is returned.
> 
> If I connect to a remote copy of the same database, the datasource 
> works fine with CFQUERYPARAM
> 
> So I figured I'd try the latest JDBC driver, but the article found 
> here:
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19170


Try this one:

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=6ef0253
> 
> relates to MX 6 and not 7...there are no Java & JVM settings in CF 
> Adminso where should I drop the connector jar file??
> 
> or if you have another solution to my problem...fire away
> 
> TIA
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
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Re: ANNOUNCE: CFFM 1.1 Released

[Irvin Gomez]

>> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) 
>> My favourite is the way I could upload and .exe and a .bat file..
>
>Nice tact. How about you email the original poster off-list with your
>feeback/concerns/questions. Everytime someone posts a tool on this list
>people seem to go out of their way to act like complete asses.


I agree.

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cfchart not working on new server

[Irvin Gomez]

I had a problem with cfchart crashing my development machine (but the same code 
 working fine on the server). We Mike Nimer's help, we traced it to some fonts 
installed in my machine (they were chess fonts - bitmapped fonts for chess 
diagrams). As soon as we iuninstalled the fonts (just taking them out of the 
font's folder) the problem went away. Just a possibility


>We have recently had three CF7/IIS2003 servers set up for us at a third
>party hosting company. These are brand new installs on brand new
>machines. All is well except that cfchart is not working for us. It
>works fine for us on our local CF7/IIS2003 machine. We've been unable to
>spot the difference between the setups. 
>
> 
>
>We are running the test example listed at the end of this post. It
>doesn't run for any format. You can see the result here:
>http://www.christchurchnz.net/chart.cfm
>
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>
>I have looked in c:\cfusionmx7\charting\cache\
>  and found that the jpg files
>are indeed getting generated in there. We have mappings set up on both
>servers: "/CFIDE" = "D:\Inetpub\wwwroot\CFIDE" although graphdata.cfm
>(which shows up in the image source) isn't a physical file as far as I
>can tell so I'm guessing that  mapping doesn't make any difference.
>
> 
>
>Any ideas where I should look? 
>
> 
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>The sample we're testing:
>
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Grouping content in a cfmail

[Irvin Gomez]

You can save the grouped output to a variable using cfsavecontent.


>I'm trying to group my content in a cfmail tag.
>
>I don't need to group the emails (it's only being sent
>to one person, but I need to group the queried content
>within the email.  
>Like
>Group 1
>blah blah blah
>Group 2
>blah blah blah
>
>And so on.
>
>I've been using
>
>fieldname
>
>
>Which is grouping properly, but it sends out a new
>email for each group as well.  I just want one email
>with everything grouped within in.
>
>Has anyone done this?
>Thanks,
>Randy
>
>
>
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Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

[Irvin Gomez]

>Yes, your rants and paranoid conspiracy theories belong on a personal
>blog... for which I will avoid.
>
>-Adam
>
>> You're right. It's..um.CF TALK!
>> 
>> Adrocknaphobia wrote:
>> 
>> >Come on man, cf-talk is not your blog.
>> >
>> >-Adam


Totally uncalled for. The guy is making a valid point and this type of personal 
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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

That's exactly my point, Claude. I'm glad I'm not alone here :-)



>>>huh? a dialect is "a regional variety of a language
>
>Right, but this is much more than just a few different words.
>Most of the time, people speaking the "standard" laguage hardly 
>understand, if not at all, people speaking the dialect.
>Alsacian is a german dialect, but german people simply do not understand it;
>German speaking people in Swizterland and alsacian do not understand 
>each others.
>Is American an English dialect just because they spell "color" instead 
>of "colour"? I don't think so.
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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

I didn't mean to offend you, so I'm glad you didn't take offense :-)

Now, back to the "mini-argument": we could spend the rest of our lives here, 
debating what is and what isn't a dialect. After all, REAL experts still debate 
the concept, as a cursory internet search will quickly confirm.

My simple view is that a "dialect" is far more than local usage, slang or even 
technical jargon. To me, a "dialect" is a subset of a language that has 
somehow, acquired its own identity (but this is admittely vague and hard to 
define!). In other words, I don't believe Shakespeare wrote in English while 
Hemingway wrote in a "dialect of English". I don't think Prince Charles speaks 
"English" and Dan Rather speaks a "dialect" of English.  

That said, I'll just go back to my initial point: the belief that there are 
"many versions of Spanish" is completely wrong. That was all I said in my first 
post and that's all I really wanted to contribute to this thread.

Hopefully, you'll agree with me on that.




>Yea, even though I didn't take offense, I would like to hear why not. 
>Maybe I am a dummy when it comes to definition of the word, but it seems 
>like a Southern USA English dialect is one example of an English dialect.
>
>In fact, IIRC from my HS Spanish, I was taught that there were several 
>dialects of the langauge, ie; Spain has a different dialect than Mexico
>
>Ray
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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

>irvin, im with you up to a point.
>
>there are MANY MANY dialects in the United States, heck, where i come
>from there are more than 5, within a 40 mile radius.
>
>TRUST ME.
>
>there are many versions.
>tony
>
>On 4/22/05, Paul Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

Hey, Tony, I'm in NY. I counted 347 last time I rode the subway.

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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

What was that

ROTFLMAO


>Irvin Gomez wrote:
>> Just like English, Spanish has it own slang ("nuts" for testicles),
>> regional expressions ("bloke"/"guy" in England/USA), local words
>> ("jambalaya" in New Orleans), etc. That doesn't, however, prevent any
>> native Spanish speaker from communicating without any problems
>> whatsoever with another native Spanish speaker in the world.
>
>possibly, but those are trivial examples (what about medical/scientific 
>  terms, etc.?). the amount of time & money i've seen spent on different 
>Spanish (at least latin america vs "traditional"), etc. translations 
>tells me it matters to somebody. for something more concrete & closer to 
>home, kai koenig (of the famous blog in black) did *four* different 
>German translations for the farcry rb files. i don't imagine he did 
>those just because he thought the rbManager s/w was so much fun to play 
>with ;-)
>
>anecdotal evidence, my best friend is an ozzy. pour some beers into both 
>of us & every 3rd phrase is "what the heck are you saying?" especially 
>if either of us had been back home for any length of time.
>
>it's not just a matter of understanding but completely understanding & 
>making folks comfortable w/your app/website.
>
>you're also not mentioning the potential of insulting somebody who 
>you're trying to sell something to.
>
>so, no, i don't think it's a myth though i suppose you could stretch 
>your language usage if you chose your words/phrasing carefully.

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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

>Why not?
>
>"Dialect: A variety of a language distinguished by variations of accent, 
>grammar, or vocabulary." - (from McGraw-Hill site)
>
>Sounds like it to me
>
>Ray
>
>Irvin Gomez wrote:
>>

If you think that the USA has several "English dialects", then there's not much 
I can explain to you.

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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

>Isn't this called dialect?
>
>
>Ray
>
>Irvin Gomez wrote:
>>


No.

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Re: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

> Irvin Gomez wrote:
> > There are not "many versions of Spanish" anywhere. Just like the are 
> not "many eversions of English".
> > 
> > This is a myth.
> 
> so explain.

It's quite simple, actually:

Just like English, Spanish has it own slang ("nuts" for testicles), regional 
expressions ("bloke"/"guy" in England/USA), local words ("jambalaya" in New 
Orleans), etc. That doesn't, however, prevent any native Spanish speaker from 
communicating without any problems whatsoever with another native Spanish 
speaker in the world.


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RE: translating websites

[Irvin Gomez]

There are not "many versions of Spanish" anywhere. Just like the are not "many 
eversions of English".

This is a myth.


>I'd be very, very careful of any machine translation into Spanish.  There is
>actually many versions of Spanish as well, depending on where you are.  We
>had an interpreter take a look at some text we ran through BableFish and
>even though it was close, some of the meanings were off.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Coleman, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:32 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: translating websites
>
>I don't know if CF has any native way to do this, but the company I work
>for is looking for a way to translate the website to Spanish.
>Surely you wouldn't have to do a page for page translation?
>If anyone has worked with doing this sort of stuff, let me know.
> 
>Thanks,
>Brian

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excel data

[Irvin Gomez]

Another way is to export the Excel data as a tab-delimited text file and then 
read the file's content and parse it with this UDF:

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=855


Good luck!



> >This will get you there:
> >
> >http://www.emerle.net/programming/display.cfm/t/cfx_excel2query
> 
> While that looks like it's exactly what I need, I have to access to 
> the cold fusion server, but only to my htdocs area.  So it looks like 
> I can't do this line:
> 
> 1. Add the supplied cfx_Excel2Query.jar file to your Java/JVM class 
> path.
>   e.g. c:\cfusionmx\cfx_tags\cfx_Excel2Query.jar'
> 
> and then restart CFMX.
> 
> But it is exactly what I needed otherwise, thanks.

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excel data

[Irvin Gomez]

This will get you there:

http://www.emerle.net/programming/display.cfm/t/cfx_excel2query



>I have to read a few hundred rows of excel data into a database.  A 
>record for each row.
>I saw some CFCs that do this or at least read them into a list but 
>I've not been able to get CFCs to work in our system so far and dunno 
>why.
>
>I'm looking for any thoughts on the process of doing this.  Do I load 
>in a file, and read the contents, then parse the data or maybe 
>list_to_Array and then bring it in through looped INSERTS?  That's my 
>first impulse.  Am I close?  I'd like the data to be quickly in and 
>setup.
>
>I'm using Oracle and CF6.1
>
>thanks.
>
>-- 
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>
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>Suite 2387 Valley Drive
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Looking for a UPS rate checker custom tag

[Irvin Gomez]

http://cftags.josephdevore.com/index.cfm?act=tags.upsmx



> I don't mind buying one if it's good.  If you have one or know of one 
> please let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> 
> I want one that will basicaly tell the user the shipping rate based on 
> address and weight.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian Yager
> President - North Alabama 
> Cold Fusion Users Group
> http://www.nacfug.com
> GMD-JPO OCD IT
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PREPARE FOR THE ACQUISITION

[Irvin Gomez]

http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2005/adobe_macromedia.html

I say, PREPARE FOR IT. This is worse than the Y2K catastrophe.

I have stocked my bunker with:

700 Gallons of Bottled Water
7 boxes of matches
300 cans of Spam (of the edible variety)
45 Gas Masks in 3 different sizes, just in case I mutate
17 Bibles (2 of them King James versions)
3000 rounds of ammunition
23 grenades
2 copies of Frontpage
1 Inflatable doll
Assorted periscopes

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Re: New CFFORM website

[Irvin Gomez]

Relax, guys.

It has not been my intention to put anyone down. On the contrary, it was 
constructive criticism and nothing else. 

Let's be a family again; the sites are beautiful: no flaws are perceived and no 
improvement is necessary.

We can all now go back to our "real" jobs.

:-)

>Wrong. It's Mike's site, he worked on it, and he arranged the hosting. It is
>not a Macromedia site, just like my sites are not. Sure, my site needs work,
>heck I am still running code I wrote for CF2 which I am still meaning to
>redo, but some of us have real jobs to do, and personal projects are a lower
>priority. And no, I'd not want Macromedia (or anyone else for that matter)
>getting involved in what my sites are and do or how they do it. I keep my
>sites separate because they are my sites, and I am thus free to use them as
>I see fit.
>
>As for the content on cfform.com being "clumsily put together", most are
>volunteered by developers just like yourself, developers who also (I assume)
>have real jobs. If you want better examples, just write them. Mike will be
>more than happy to post them for you.
>
>--- Ben
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:16 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: New CFFORM website
>
>Mike IS a Macromedia employee, so odds are these project is somehow
>sponsored or at least sanctioned by Mike's employer.
>
>And yes, I agree with you that it's a good thing to see this type of
>project. That said, I still believe that it would be in everybody's best
>interest (especially Macromedia's, for obvious reasons) that the examples
>and site are a showcase for the  tag. So far, it isn't. In my
>opinion it's a little too unpolished; hopefully it will get better with
>time.
>
>I personally think Macromedia should pay far more attention to the
>"cosmetic" side of its technology. Macromedia-related sites that promote
>Macromedia products,  like Ben Forta's site (notice I said "related", not
>sponsored, because I don't know the exact nature of the relationship) should
>be made to look as good as possible, even if it means Macromedia has to
>shell out a few grand in the process. As it is, they don't do a very good
>job of showcasing Macromedia's technology.
>
>But, then again, that's just my opinion... :-)

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Re: New CFFORM website

[Irvin Gomez]

Mike IS a Macromedia employee, so odds are these project is somehow sponsored 
or at least sanctioned by Mike's employer.

And yes, I agree with you that it's a good thing to see this type of project. 
That said, I still believe that it would be in everybody's best interest 
(especially Macromedia's, for obvious reasons) that the examples and site are a 
showcase for the  tag. So far, it isn't. In my opinion it's a little 
too unpolished; hopefully it will get better with time.

I personally think Macromedia should pay far more attention to the "cosmetic" 
side of its technology. Macromedia-related sites that promote Macromedia 
products,  like Ben Forta's site (notice I said "related", not sponsored, 
because I don't know the exact nature of the relationship) should be made to 
look as good as possible, even if it means Macromedia has to shell out a few 
grand in the process. As it is, they don't do a very good job of showcasing 
Macromedia's technology.

But, then again, that's just my opinion... :-)



> I certainly dont believe that the cfform.com project is sponsored by
> macromedia.  The fact that Mike put together the site and the example
> is a sign of his enthusiasm for the technology.
> 
> I took the site as a source for examples of the type of things you 
> can
> do.  I would never expect to take any sample code and just plug it
> into my  existing applications.
> 
> Given that these features of cfform are so new I would think we are
> very lucky to have such deditcated profesionals at Macromedia, that
> they would work all day to build this technology for us, then give up
> their free time to build examples and promote community within.
> 
> Perhaps I misread the tone of your article, but I am very excited
> about the new technology available to us through cf7.  And I am
> thankful for the time MIke and all the other Macromedian's put in
> bringing this technology to us.
> 
> simeon
> 
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:13:27 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Nice effort, but not much attention to detail. Most of the examples 
> are really clumsily put together. Heck, even the form on the contact 
> page (http://www.cfform.com/contact.cfm) won't enforce any sort of 
> validation on the email field!
>

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Re: New CFFORM website

[Irvin Gomez]

Nice effort, but not much attention to detail. Most of the examples are really 
clumsily put together. Heck, even the form on the contact page 
(http://www.cfform.com/contact.cfm) won't enforce any sort of validation on the 
email field!

Given that Macromedia bribed Jakob Nilsen into stopping his bashing of Flash, 
they should now give him a REAL job checking these forms out before publication 
:-)


>Just got this off Tim Buntel's blog:
>
>"In case you haven't heard, cfform.com has officially launched! This is a 
>site that Mike Nimer, the principal engineer on the CFFORM features for CFMX 
>7, has put together for sharing skins and other extensions for both Flash 
>and XML forms. Think cflib.org for the Form set. I'm extremely excited to 
>see what folks publish - and a big hearty thanks to Mike for putting this 
>together (on his own personal accord, I may point out)."
>
>Thought I'd share it. It looks like potentially an awesome site. What got me 
>was the "think cflib.org for the form set". That's all I needed to hear...

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Re: Setting up MySql Data Source

[Irvin Gomez]

I don't honestly know, since I first installed MySQL about 2 months ago (v4.1). 
The process was very straightforward with the "Windows Essentials" package. I 
folloed the instructions on that page and everything is working without a hitch.

Sorry I can't be of more help :-)

>Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=6ef0253
>
>Will this affect (i.e. kill) my ability to continue to run CF and mySQL 4.0? 
>
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Re: Setting up MySql Data Source

[Irvin Gomez]

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=6ef0253




> I just loaded MySql to my development machine. I have MySql up and 
> running and even created the database I will be using. I am trying to 
> set up a DSN in CFAdmin but it keeps failing. Since this is a 
> non-server machine do I have to change the port?
> 
> my error
> 
> Connection verification failed for data source: bvhdku
> []java.sql.SQLException: SQLException occurred in JDBCPool while 
> attempting to connect, please check your username, password, URL, and 
> other connectivity info.
> The root cause was that: java.sql.SQLException: SQLException occurred 
> in JDBCPool while attempting to connect, please check your username, 
> password, URL, and other connectivity 
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Re: HTML Editor

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It depends on the particular situation. I have a client who needs to make a lot 
of legal documents (as PDF or MS Word) available online and the document 
upload/linking in FCKEditor is the perfect solution: it works flawlessly and 
it's a one-step process.

As far as allowing minimal formatting options, I agree with you: the less, the 
better. Normally I limit this to bold/italic/ordered & unordered lists, special 
characters, etc. I don't allow setting of font sizes or colors or background 
colors, etc. (the usual junk).
 

> Ya know...the more I think about it, the LESS I want my client 
> handling images in FCKEditor OR Tiny MCE. 
> 
> They have enough trouble with simple text formatting! Anyone with me 
> here??
> 
> :)  
Will

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Re: HTML Editor

[Irvin Gomez]

Does TinyMCE provide image and document upload/linking, like FCKEDitor?


>TinyMCE is the bomb, especially for xhtml/css support. 
>
>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 5:58 
>To: CF-Talk
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>
>Hi Dustin
>
>I was referring to an editor that you can use via a webpage
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Re: Dynamic Linking to Mapquest?

[Irvin Gomez]

Yahoo maps instructions here:

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/maps/maps-26.html




> I searched the MM exchange, but the tags that I found don't seem to 
> work
> anymore due to updates in the mappers sites.
> 
> Anyone have a tag or link to a function where I can pass the address 
> and
> get a map?
> 
> Mapquest or Yahoo maps or google maps, etc...
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Re: So does CF 7 Suck, Or Crystaltech?

[Irvin Gomez]

It must be a problem with Crystaltech.

No other hosting company has suffered the same problem. You do the math...



>I've been following the Crystaltech session issue with moderate
>interest.  I say moderate because its not really my problem yet, as I
>and my clients are running either CF 6.1 or CF 5.
>
>But talking to another client today, looks like I'll be setting up a
>server for him sooner rather than later, so the issue is coming into
>sharper focus for me.  Especially since his dedicated servers are
>housed by the above-mentioned host.
>
>Crystaltech says the problem -- a disastrous one from the sound of it
>-- is all about Macromedia screwing up CF 7 somehow.
>
>Others are saying its not MM, or more accurately others are saying
>that CF 7 has been working for them just dandy for ages.
>
>As far as I can tell MM has kept a fairly low profile on this. 
>Possibly to avoid giving a partner a black eye if it speaks up?
>
>I've never seen the problem but if something new has been injected
>into CF, what is the solution to keeping it stable?  As in "don't ever
>do "X".  Or has the bugfinding and fixing not gotten far enough yet to
>know?
>
>
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Re: Problems at CrystalTech have gotten ugly!

[Irvin Gomez]

It seems they are the only ones having the problem (and they are clearly trying 
to blame Macromedia). I'm glad I left them about 3 years ago. No hard feelings 
(because it wasn't that bad), but I couldn't take the lack of transparency when 
dealing with problems. In other words, when everything works fine, Crystaltech 
is a joy to work with, but when there are bumps on the road, Mr Jekyll takes 
over... 


> Ok, we're on our 3rd week I think with the session invalid errors at 
> CT. Tim U., CEO, seems to have fanned the flames, at least in MY mind. 
> 
> 
> Question: Is ANYone out there experiencing the same problem with their 
> shared server hosts? Anyone???
> 
> Especially read the last 2-3 posts. I'd like to know myself if anyone 
> else is  experiencing this! 
> 
> http://www.crystaltech.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10597
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Thanks to Mike Nimer & Macromedia - (re: Flash forms)

[Irvin Gomez]

It was something particular to my settings, Rick. Nothing anyone with a default 
installation needs to worry about (one of those hard-to-foresee things like the 
issue with cfchart and some obscure chess font!)




>Irvin,
>
>What change did you make to the CF administrator?  Might it be
>something that anyone using Flash forms might want to do?
>
>
>Rick Mason
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:56:11 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

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Mike Nimer & Macromedia (re: Flash Forms)

[Irvin Gomez]

With Mike's extensive (about 2 hours on phone/breeze) help we tested all 
possible reasons for the initial delay in loading (had been about 5 seconds). A 
few adjustments to the CF Administrator and a freshly re-started computer made 
the issue vanish.

While doing that, a far more  interesting and harder-to-detect problem was 
solved: the  tag crashed CF MX7. To make the story short, it was one 
(or several) of the fonts installed in the system (the suspects are some fonts 
used to produce chess diagrams). As soon as we deleted those fonts, the problem 
went away.

In any case, I'm a VERY happy camper and want to publicly thank Macromedia (and 
Mike, especially) for the wonderful tech support.

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Thanks to Mike Nimer & Macromedia - (re: Flash forms)

[Irvin Gomez]

Sorry for the OT, but, given that I started the Flash forms thread here, this 
follow-up would be (kind of) appropriate, too.

With Mike's extensive (about 2 hours on phone/breeze) help we tested all 
possible reasons for the initial delay in loading (had been about 5 seconds). A 
few adjustments to the CF Administrator and a freshly re-started computer made 
the issue vanish.

While doing that, a far more  interesting and harder-to-detect problem was 
solved: the  tag crashed CF MX7. To make the story short, it was one 
(or several) of the fonts installed in the system (the suspects are some fonts 
used to produce chess diagrams). As soon as we deleted those fonts, the problem 
went away.

In any case, I'm a VERY happy camper and want to publicly thank Macromedia (and 
Mike, especially) for the wonderful tech support.

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Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?

[Irvin Gomez]

Thanks, Matt.

I agree with you that a 4-field form is not something to worry about (but that 
was just an example of how EVEN a small form was quite slow).

I'm beginning to get the idea that Flash fomrs in Coldfusion 7 are just a 
"specialty" item (not the best choice for every form), with buggy beaviour 
(they might not load for no apparent reason) and very poor performance (only 
justifiable when replacing another monster form)...


BTW, is there a way of integrating some sort of HTML editor in Flash forms? 


> > In my testing, a simple form with, say, 4 text inputs plus a submit 
> 
> > button will take quite a bit to load (when it loads - it often 
> > requires a page refresh).
> 
> A simple form with only four fields isn't a particularly compelling 
> candidate to replace with a Flash form, and even Macromedia will tell 
> you that Flash forms should not be used to replace every form.  Where 
> you have multi-step processes and complex data entry is where Flash 
> forms start to shine, and as Ray pointed out, the initial hit is worth 
> it because the user experience is so much more solid and easy to use 
> and you can do a lot more with validation, feedback, etc.

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Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?

[Irvin Gomez]

I don't know what to tell you, Raymond, because my experience is completely 
different.

In my testing, a simple form with, say, 4 text inputs plus a submit button will 
take quite a bit to load (when it loads - it often requires a page refresh).

This is a serious issue, because non-technical people will get a blank screen 
for twenty seconds or more and think that there something wrong with the page, 
possibly leaving. I'd not mind the load time much if:

a. The "loading" graphic appeared immediately
b. The loading time were not over 5 seconds on a cable connection. 

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, because the flash forms are quite nice in looks and 
apparent functionality.

Hopefully someone will eventually find one generated with Coldfusion 7...


>A complex Flash Form is a bit slow to load. Then again - in my testing
>the complex flash form was replacing 4 different pages. This meant a
>total time smaller then the previous vanilla form version. I think the
>initial hit then is acceptible.
>
>
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:10:49 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

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Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?

[Irvin Gomez]

Thanks, Claude.

(and I'm not even beginning to investigate why a chart that worked perfectly 
fine on MX 6.2 now crashes Coldfusion 7!!!)

Irvin


>>>I'm mostly interested in how quickly they load, because they seem 
>VERY slow on my development machine.
>
>They are very slow on ANY machine. Just visit the custom tag gallery on 
>MM site, and you have an example.
>
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Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?

[Irvin Gomez]

I di notice how sometimes the form won't even load (as you say) without any 
sort of message. Just a blank space (as you also say). 

If that's normal behaviour, it truly sucks!

Thanks for the info, Bryan. 

(hoping we are wrong!)


>Nope, want to know why? Because it takes for ever for them to load.
>Sometimes the loading box and circle don't come up. The loading circle if
>and when it comes up is tied to the position of your mouse.
>
>I would use them if it would load faster and if it had a nice loading circle
>like those on MM and not positioned to the position of the mouse.
>
>What happens if the network has an interuption? It doesn't load and you have
>a nice white area in your site template with no way of reloading the flash
>without reloading the entire page.
>
>Just a bunch of annoying little things. That's why I don't use them.
>
>I've seen the same problems on the MM site even though they aren't using CF7
>Flash Forms. Same problem with Flex, Flash application are just not mature
>enough to be used for anything even coming close to Enterprise applications.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:45 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
>
>Links appreciated.
>
>Hard to believe, but I couldn't find any samples (or demos)of the actual
>forms at the Macromedia site. (I'm not talking about their flash demos - I'm
>talking about actual forms that can be submitted). I'm mostly interested in
>how quickly they load, because they seem VERY slow on my development
>machine.

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Any sites using the new Flash foms?

[Irvin Gomez]

Links appreciated.

Hard to believe, but I couldn't find any samples (or demos)of the actual forms 
at the Macromedia site. (I'm not talking about their flash demos - I'm talking 
about actual forms that can be submitted). I'm mostly interested in how quickly 
they load, because they seem VERY slow on my development machine.

Thanks!

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CF MX 7 - Speed issues

[Irvin Gomez]

Hi, everyone

I'm testing on my local machine and notice a marked delay in Coldfusion 
rendering Flash forms or creating PDF/Flashpaper docs.

My question is: are there any actual samples of this somewhere on the web? I 
don't mean the Flash demos Macromedia has. I'm talking about a real form that I 
can access and fill out through my browser.

Thanks!

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Re: Suggestions for grouped query and next/previous paging

[Irvin Gomez]

http://www.twcreations.com/recordcount/


> All,
> 
> I'm outputting a grouped query:
> 
> Group 1
> - Item 1a
> - Item 2a
> - Item 3a
> Group 2
> - Item 1b
> Group 3
> - Item 1c
> - Item 2c
> 
> and so on...
> 
> but the query results in a large number of records, so I want to add 
> next/previous paging.
> 
> The grouping I have no trouble setting up, but how to I break the 
> results up? If you add the standard next/previous 
> to the grouped query, it tends to break up in really odd ways.
> 
> Thanks!
> Jake
> 

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Re: Anyone use CFX_Excel2Query?

[Irvin Gomez]

Try:



That will return a query object called "orderlist" and a variable named 
"columns" that is a list of the column names in your excel file.



>I am using it with this syntax:
>
>file="#excelfile#"
>r_qResults="orderlist"
>firstRowIsHeader="false"
>columnlist = "name,address,city,state,zip"
>>
>
>The excel file has its own header, which I am trying to overwrite by
>the one provided with the 'columnlist' attribute. However, when I
>supply that attributed the return recordset isn't created - I can't
>cfdump it because the object doesn't exist.
>
>Any tips would very appreciated!
>
>Stas

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Re: fck editor 2.0 RC

[Irvin Gomez]

>Use TinyMCE. It's much simpler. 
>
>http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
>
>
>Will

Looks nice, but regular (non-technical) users would have problems inserting 
images. This type of editor really needs to let users preview/upload images. 
Without that, it's of little value.

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Re: Which browsers do you support for -public- web sites?

[Irvin Gomez]

We only support version 5+ browsers.

BTW, a properly structured site will require minimal tweaking to make it work 
consistently across browsers and platforms. Solid knowledge of CSS is required, 
though. 


>I'm guessing that some good comments on my question are buried somewhere 
>in that 500 post thread on Browser Stats, but I really don't have the 
>energy to sort through all the OT and all the bickering.
>
>My feeling is that you can't test _everything_ so you gauge the use of the 
>more popular browsers and then you draw a line somewhere.  I also realize 
>that like most things, it's a matter of how much time and money you (or a 
>client) are willing to spend for testing and development to assure 
>cross-browser compatibility.
>
>So, what browsers, versions, (and to a degree, platforms) are you testing 
>and supporting for general access public web sites?

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Re: Firefox Usage -

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The point was not to call Barney a liar. Perhaps I worded it incorrectly. What 
I was referring to is assertion that a LOT of users don't have a computer. 
Where's that data coming from? And what's a LOT?

My apologies to Barney if it appeared as a personal attack. It was not the 
intention.

I do, however, stand my initial statement that the're no real data suggesting 
Firefox being (usage-wise) any different that Opera or any of the other 
rather-marginal browsers, that stay in the 1-2% usage. We are VERY FAR removed 
from a "browser war". I do like Firefox, though :-)



>Easy now.. you cant claim that Barney's numbers are FALSE.. anectdotal maybe. 
>
>The numer of users and number of downloads dont really match I agree,
>just take it to an IT department etc.
>
>besides.. check the usage of firefox in sites more like as that is the
>important part!
>
>MD
>
>
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>>

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Irvin Gomez]

>Do keep in mind that a LOT of users don't own a computer, and rely on
>shared access, such as libraries, schools, community centers, and/or
>work.  I personally have made 3 downloads of Firefox, but I have it
>running on at least 10 computers, which are used by a total of 8-10
>different people.
>
>So don't go comparing apples to oranges and assume the results have
>any validity.
>
>cheers,
>barneyb
>

At least, the numbers serve as a guide. Better that than anecdotal (and 
probably completely false) data like the one you provide.
>On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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Firefox Usage -

[Irvin Gomez]

Before we officially claim a "browser war", let's check the numbers a bit.

Number of internet users (worldwide): 934 million
Source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/web_worldwide/

Number of Firefox downloads: 8.5 million
Source: Mozilla.org

If those numbers are within the ballpark, it follows that AT BEST, Firefox 
usage should be less than 1%.

Not thrashing Firefox or defending Microsoft; I find the two browsers very 
similar in functionality (from an average user's point of view - as a developer 
I'm aware of Firefox's extensibility, etc., etc). My point is that everyone 
benefits when information remains accurate.

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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

[Irvin Gomez]

>Irvin, are you actually familiar with how DW templates and library items
>work? They're not at all like Front Page or other proprietary tags or
>objects. They're just regular HTML code surrounded by comments like:
>

Bob, I'm familiar with Dreamweaver templates and library items(I use Dremaweaver as my HTML editor and wouldn't switch to anything else!). They don't bring anything useful to the table. On the other hand, you should seriously give includes a try. They are the industry standard. For a good reason, trust me.

In any case, everyone has expressed an opinion and it's probably a good time to let this dead horse rest. :-)
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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

[Irvin Gomez]

>Ok, if they're not so good, what do you suggest for straight HTML
>sites that can't use a scripting technology?
>

The simplest (and pretty obvious!) answer is: you just code yor page just line any of the millions of developers who don't use Dreamweaver.

 

On a more practical note, though: it's VERY hard to find a hosting company that doesn't allow the use of includes. So, why use Dreamweaver templates when simple includes do the same job without tying to to any particular HTML editor? 

>Your argument doesn't make much sense to me.  Afterall, if you quit
>using a CFML server, you'll instantly recognize that the CFM files
>have tied you to a CFML server.  At least with DWMX templates, you can
>still edit the files with notepad if you don't have DWMX
>

I don't quite understand what your point is...
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> They don't tie you to Dreamweaver - you're free to use
>whatever editor you like if you're willing to forego the benefits of
>templates in the future.
>

Your statement can be re-worded like this: "The moment you sever your ties to Dreamweaver, the benefits of templates are not available to you"

That's a tie, right there.

There's no question that "Dreamweaver templates" (there's a good reason they are called that) is development technology proprietary to Dreamweaver.

That said, it's not evil to use them. Just not very practical, in my opinion (or, as someone on this thread put it "DW templates are a poor man's includes").
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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

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>
>[1] Can you share that code for the logic btw?
>

Bob,

I'm just getting the current directory's name. Then, if it matches any of the links in the navigation bar, I change the class.
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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

[Irvin Gomez]

Something like this, Robert?

http://www.reelwaters.com

A single include and no fancy code at all. A single page to maintain. No hassles.

>> I must be missing something here, Robert. Isn't the situation you describe
>the text-book scenario for includes?
>
>Like I said, without some sort of server side logic, the include will show
>the identical code on all pages that it's included in. Hence with the nav
>bar example I gave, the home button will link to the home page EVEN ON the
>home page itself, and the products button will link to the producst page
>EVEN ON the products page itself.  I prefer not to have my pages contain
>links to themselves, and to have the home button show an "on" state when the
>visitor is on the home page, and the products button to show an "on" state
>when the visitor is on the products page. Make sense?
>
>-
>Regards,
>Bob Haroche
>O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
>www.OnPointSolutions.com
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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

[Irvin Gomez]

I must be missing something here, Robert. Isn't the situation you describe the text-book scenario for includes?

 

That said, let me show you how you can run into a nightmare situation by using library items:

You work with library items, make all necessary changes, update all related pages and upload to the server. Now, another developer comes along who doesn't use Dreamweaver and who needs to make changes to the navigation bar you describe. This person is stuck with a big problem: he has to go page-by-page and change your code. This would be avoided by using a simple include file.

Am I missing something

>> I don't see how using Templates or Library Items can be any faster than
>using includes from the beginning, but your mileage might vary.
>
>This is how I find library items useful at least for HTML sites:  I use
>library items for certain items I want to have consistent during development
>but know will change just before site launch. For example nav bars:
>
>Home | Products | About Us | Contact
>
>I place the library item on all pages. If the client wants to change "About
>Us" to "About" or change the graphics used for the rollover images, I change
>the library item once and the change is made on all pages containing that
>library item throughout the site. Just before launching the site, I go to
>each page, detach the library item and on the Home page, remove the link to
>home; on the Products page, I remove the link to products, etc.
>
>In other words, during the development I can easily keep the styles and
>verbiage consistent across pages and only need to deal with removing the
>links (so pages don't link to themselves) at the end.  Yes, I still have to
>eventually deal with each page individually but I only do that once.  Unless
>you're using some fancy server-side logic, you can't do this with SSI or
>cfincludes...and again, I typically do this with straight HTML (not CFM)
>sites.
>
>-
>Regards,
>Bob Haroche
>O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
>www.OnPointSolutions.com
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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

[Irvin Gomez]

>> don't offer anything that can't be done without them and tie the current
>(and future!) developers to
> > Dreamweaver. That's a biggie, right there.
>
>I don't use DW templates myself, preferring instead DW library items or
>server side includes. However, both DW templates and library items can speed
>up production and don't tie anyone to DW. All you need do is strip out the
>DW specific comments from the HTML and the pages are no longer considered
>templates by DW or any other software. Simple search and replacing can do
>this, either within or outside DW.
>
>-
>Regards,
>Bob Haroche
>O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
>www.OnPointSolutions.com

Why go through the trouble of a search and replace (another risky peroposition!)? 

I don't see how using Templates or Library Items can be any faster than using includes from the beginning, but your mileage might vary.
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Re: Dreamweaver Templates..?

[Irvin Gomez]

Yes, that's a documented "feature".

Dreamweaver templates are not something to be recommended, if anything for the simple reason they don't offer anything that can't be done without them and tie the current (and future!) developers to Dreamweaver. That's a biggie, right there.

My 2 cents. 

>Sean Corfield wrote:
>
>I've seen (with DWMX, not used them with MX2004) where it would fail to 
>update pages associated with templates correctly and fairly regularly 
>too.  Like I said I haven't used that feature with DWMX2004 as these 
>days I write my own content management system and/or use a framework.
>-- 
>*Damien McKenna* - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
>The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
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Re: removing directories that are not empty

[Irvin Gomez]

http://www.emerle.net/programming/deltree.cfm

> does anyone know of a udf or custom tag that will easy remove 
> directories that are not empty?
> 
> 
> 
steph
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Re: Allow End User to Save As Excel/CSV

[Irvin Gomez]

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=560

>Can someone point me in the right direction on allowing the end user to
>save query results as an Excel or CSV file on their local machine? I am
>using the following code, but it just displays the table on screen, and
>does not save the file:
>
>
> datasource="CombinedRaps">
>	Select Name, Provider, EncounterDate, EncounterMonth,
>EncounterYear, SiteID 
>	FROM tblRyan
>	WHERE Provider = '#SelectedProviderName#'
>	AND EncounterMonth = '#SelectedServiceMonth#'
>	AND EncounterYear = '#SelectedServiceYear#'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>	Provider
>	Participant
>	EncounterDate
>	EncounterMonth
>	EncounterYear
>	SiteID
>
>
>
>
>	#Provider#
>	#Name#
>	#EncounterDate#
>	#EncounterMonth#
>	#EncounterYear#
>	#SiteID#
>
>
>
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Re: ANNOUNCE: WorldWide Macromedia User Group meeting, sneak peaks and Community week.

[Irvin Gomez]

If history is any indicator, 4/5 of whatever they announce will be garbage.

No reason to get too excited.

Irvin

>In case you haven't heard about this yet.
>
>On Wednesday, May 19th, come see the Macromedia Worldwide User Group meeting
>for sneak peaks of new products. During the rest of the week of May 17th
>attend chats and seminars online with Macromedia product managers.
>
>For more details and speakers go to http://www.cfconf.org/CommunityWeek/
>and click on the Community Week logo on the top left of the page.
>
>When: Wednesday, May 19th, 2004, 6:30 PM
>
>Where: At a Macromedia user group near you (see URL above for listing).
>
>Some of Macromedia's Product Managers will be broadcasting to us (and other
>user groups around the world) via Breeze Live, with never seen before sneak
>peaks on upcoming product releases!
>
>I would love to tell you more but I have no CLUE!!! That's because this stuff
>is top secret. Members of Team Macromedia don't know. User Group Managers don't
>know. Only Macromedia knows what will be shown. And you can be among the first
>outside Macromedia to learn about the new stuff!
>
>
>-- 
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