[cfaussie] Re: Web on the Piste animations
Congrats Scott! Was good to catch up in NZ. Thanks also to the other CFAussie's who made it over - good to see you guys :) -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY: Is ColdFusion OO?
Does this mean that CF becomes OO if enough people say yes? On 7/9/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > After a discussion on a blog today, the question was asked if people > consider that ColdFusion is OO and if it should be developed further. > > > > This has always been the cause of some debate, and rather than have lots of > off topic discussion here or on the blog, I thought id survey the > developers. > > > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=9hX1fEzE_2fdNdSnIJpWngKA_3d_3d > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Saving a pushed ZIP file
Don't think you should have to do anything special. How is the file being sent? Over HTTP? On 6/14/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am trying to save a zip file that is being provided from another server > but when I am writing it to the system the zip file is saved, the file in it > is there but the zipped file is zero bytes and corrupted. Is there a > certain way you have to save these types of compressed file? > > > Steve Onnis > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: JRun and a war application
Does the JRun that is packaged with CF allow you to execute jsp files? I thought it was a crippled version of JRun? Does Roller support JRun? I know that when CF first came out it didn't support all J2EE servers. I know that Jira and Confluence don't run on JRun although they do run on almost all other J2EE servers. What I am saying is not all J2EE servers are created equal and not all J2EE applications will run on all servers. Start with the Roller docs - if you can't find evidence of it running on JRun, I'd just bite the bullet and install Tomcat. Also I think that you'll find the way you configure Tomcat is very different to JRun. If you are reading docs related to Tomcat and looking for the equivalent settings in JRun are not going to have much luck. Did some quick searching http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ROLLER/InstallationFAQs#InstallationFAQs-2 What platforms are supported? The Roller [InstallationGuide] discusses installing Roller on Windows or UNIX, the MYSQL database, and the Tomcat 5.0 and 5.5 servlet engines. The Roller software includes database creation scripts for MYSQL, HSQL, and Postgres databases but, at this point, the Roller project members do not test against the last two database configurations. Some folks have installed Roller on the OC4J, Resin and Jetty servlet engines. Cheers Mark On 6/7/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark, > > Cheers, but that really didn't help. So let me change my way of explanation. > Sorry I am extremely new to j2ee applications and Jrun so I'll do my best > here. > > Ok, our company has a blog and is using a weblog called Roller and I would > prefer to use jrun as it is already there. Now I already have as indicated 2 > instances running CF7 & CF8. > > Now the roller package is a folder structured war, and I have deployed this > to cfusion (CFMX8) so it shows up under there with the context roller. I > have switched on directory browsing, so when I view > http://localhost:8300/roller I do see the directory a ok. > > Now the problem I seem to be having, is that the install notes tell me that > I need to make sure that the tomcat config file needs to have > URIEncoding="UTF-8" I just do not know where to put this, is this the war > application conf/server.xml or tomcat config file. > > But more importantly, the index.jsp file does not seem to want to run > generating an http 500 error. Even when the index.jsp is just got welcome > text. So either something else gets run first that I haven't configured or > it doesn't know how to run the jsp page. > > I did read the livedocs for JRun, but they really do not answer any of my > questions or I am just not reading them correctly. > > > > Andrew Scott > Senior Coldfusion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Mark Stanton > Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 4:49 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: JRun and a war application > > > Hey Andrew > > I've done some work with deploying CF instances packaged as war files, > but have not worked with CF8 or Roller as war files. > > > Problem one, what is the best documentation to read for setting up > > applications (war) on an instance of CF under Jrun as the help files and > > install notes on CF are a little vague unless I am not reading them right. > > JRun is a J2EE server, CF is a J2EE application that can be deployed > to JRun or another J2EE server. That is subtly different to the way > you have phrased it, but the distinction is important. When you are > talking deploying war applications files you are dealing with the > underlying JRun server rather than CF. > > So what documentation is best? I'd start with the JRun docs at > http://livedocs.adobe.com/jrun/4/ rather than the CF docs. > > > Another problem or maybe misunderstanding on my part is that the install > > docs, talk about the connector config for URI encoding so that I can setup > > UTF-8 encoding. I do not want to assume this is a default setting, so need > > to make sure that it can accept it, or at least have a setting where I can > > set that up for this context. > > I'm not sure what connector you are talking about here but UTF-8 is > probably your best bet unless you have a specific reason to pick > something different. Don't waste your time trying to set it to > ISO-8859-1 or whatever. > > > And the last question, when I deploy (already done a quick test) and I am > > assuming that I have deployed from the right area in the Jr
[cfaussie] Re: JRun and a war application
Hey Andrew I've done some work with deploying CF instances packaged as war files, but have not worked with CF8 or Roller as war files. > Problem one, what is the best documentation to read for setting up > applications (war) on an instance of CF under Jrun as the help files and > install notes on CF are a little vague unless I am not reading them right. JRun is a J2EE server, CF is a J2EE application that can be deployed to JRun or another J2EE server. That is subtly different to the way you have phrased it, but the distinction is important. When you are talking deploying war applications files you are dealing with the underlying JRun server rather than CF. So what documentation is best? I'd start with the JRun docs at http://livedocs.adobe.com/jrun/4/ rather than the CF docs. > Another problem or maybe misunderstanding on my part is that the install > docs, talk about the connector config for URI encoding so that I can setup > UTF-8 encoding. I do not want to assume this is a default setting, so need > to make sure that it can accept it, or at least have a setting where I can > set that up for this context. I'm not sure what connector you are talking about here but UTF-8 is probably your best bet unless you have a specific reason to pick something different. Don't waste your time trying to set it to ISO-8859-1 or whatever. > And the last question, when I deploy (already done a quick test) and I am > assuming that I have deployed from the right area in the Jrun management > console. Is that it appears to leave the war files from the location I have > them, is this right or am I missing or done something wrong. There are two ways for a war based application to behave on the server. One is to run as a single .war file (under the hood this actually gets extracted to a temp directory and run from there) and the other is to run extracted. I think this is managed by the jrun.deployment.DeployerService part of the jrun.xml file for that war application, but I can't remember the specifics. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count
I for one am not aware of this cfaussie list of which you speak :) Also if you are speaking on behalf of Adobe - why not post from an adobe.com address? On 6/1/07, Matt Voerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia > office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several > other) lists on a regular basis. > > We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will > communicate more on them as they solidify. > > What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up > (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a > regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread > that would be grouse. > > > Thanks in advance > > Matt Voerman > > Senior Consultant > Adobe Systems Pacific > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Subversion - import / checkout
Import, then checkout into an empty directory. If the directory you want to check out to is already full of stuff, rename it and make a new directory or backup your existing files to somewhere else. SVN won't check out over the top of existing files. Reading the first few pages of http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.tour.html will probably help you a lot. On 5/3/07, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Back with another subversion question :- > > I have a website that I want to put into source control - subversion > So to put it in I use the svn import > To started versioning the code, I have to check it out to a working > directory > - but what if the directory I imported it from IS the working directory? > > TortoiseSVN want check out to a directory with files in it. > Is there a way of doing this? > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN
> So this begs the question, what is really so special about the number that > needs validating? An ABN is one way of establishing identity. It's like to a drivers licence or social security number for companies (except that the information associated with it is public). In my mind it is different to a phone number in this respect. It is one thing to have a number that matches the pattern of an ABN, it is another to have an verified, active ABN, because from there you can gather all sorts of other information like GST status, registered address, trading name, etc... If you need to do business with other companies this is very important. Imagine you provide financing for company cars and I'm on your website filling out some forms to set up a new lease. If I make an honest mistake and get a couple of digits wrong on my ABN, this is going to impact the validity of the lease agreement and the correctness of your accounting. Add to this that I could deliberately be providing you with an ABN that looks right, but isn't ok for business (e.g. http://tinyurl.com/23rxso). -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN
Hi Stephen The web service is pretty damn fast (<500ms for the round trip), but if you are worried about performance you could validate the format and/or build up a local cache of ABNs that have passed validation already. Cheers Mark On 4/10/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm thinking that the best idea would be to do both, first validate > the number then submit to the web service. The web service will > probably be slow at times, so you wouldn't want to waste time > submitting a typo. > > My approach is to validate, ask the user to check that what they have > entered is correct, then submit. > > regards, > Stephen > > On Apr 9, 2:00 pm, "Stephen M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me? > > > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF. > > > > So far, what I've come up with is > > > > Len(ABN) eq 11 > > > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr. > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN
Guys I'm not commenting on any specific code or spreadsheet - I'm talking about how you are approaching the problem. On the one hand you have a method that will give you a yes or no answer that is guaranteed to be correct. On the other hand you roll your own approach that will at best give you something along the lines of "I'm really not sure but that looks kinda right". Yes, there are some cases where a web service or HTTP GET are not applicable, but unless you have specific reasons that stops you, the ABR web service is the better choice. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- ABRWebServiceGateway.cfc Description: Binary data
[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN
> How about using a webservice instead: > > http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/ Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own method of validation instead? On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me? > > > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF. > > > > So far, what I've come up with is > > > > Len(ABN) eq 11 > > > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr. > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > Andrew Muller > http://www.webqem.com > > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905 > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: webDU 2007 - are you counting it down?
> I'm keen to get drunk at WebDU - no offence, but damn I've been > studying technology for the past 2 months straight - i need > beer-o-break. So *holds up AMEX* come see me when you're done learning > about the Adobe Goodness and relay it to me in simple terms so i can > understand. I can't promise if I'll remember it afterwards :) Good to hear Scott! You should drag Fin along too. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
> If the agenda is to push competing products then I think > it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this. Hold on - Adobe don't run the user groups so they are not really in any position to allow or disallow anything. Gruden is an Abobe partner, but I still think that Scott's suggestion *in this case* has merit and should be appreciated. If MS turned this CFUG meeting into a MSathon then I don't think anyone would go back. But if they just provide the facilities - good for them. If they get some good will out of it - so what. In Sydney Red Square, one of our competitors, used to provide the venue for the CFUG - I had nothing but respect for them doing this. Daemon, another competitor ran CFAussie and a number of other lists for years. I imagine they were doing this stuff for two reasons - to promote their businesses and to help foster the community. Good for them - I respect their motives and which that I had more time and energy to do similar. At the end of the day the community won - and that's a good thing. As for the argument that MS might learn something at the meeting and get some unfair commercial advantage - it's a public meeting. Anyone can go no matter where it is held. Despite Barry's gushing words at the start of this thread you're not about to hear Adobe's deepest darkest secrets at this meeting. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).
> Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components > to exchange information, and to use the information that has been > exchanged Good to see someone over there knows what the word means... (Why oh why am I getting drawn into this tragedy/comedy.) On 2/23/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well said Charlie :) > > Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to > make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET. > > Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components > to exchange information, and to use the information that has been > exchanged > > Did you know JJ Allaire works for MSFT - does that mean he has to hand > in his Coldfusion badge too? > > > > On 2/23/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey, wait, why am I being pulled into this? :-) > > > > While I did record videos on that topic for MS while I was with New Atlanta, > > I am not involved in this upcoming webcast Scott has mentioned. I imagine > > someone from New Atlanta may be repeating what I did before, of course. > > > > And FWIW, I will note that it's about how to integrate CFML and .NET. It's > > not at all about how to "move off CFML to .NET". I'll admit that the crux of > > that campaign is of that sort. When I was first asked to do it (almost a > > year ago exactly), I was a little put off by the "how to move off" > > JSP/PHP/CFM nature of the campaign. Fortunately, I was able to offer the > > talk I did which was much LESS about leaving and just about making the most > > of the two together. It was kind of a stealth move, I felt. > > > > I can't see the new webcasts being any different, so that's at least some > > consolation to those who see any connection as "fraternizing with the > > enemy". That said, .NET is a platform. Just as CFMX (and BlueDragon Server, > > and Railo) is built atop Java, BD.NET is built atop .NET. One need not > > "leave CFML" to get the benefits of that platform. > > > > But I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to "sell" anything either. I have > > no vested interest in the topic other than to share it as a technical > > opportunity for those who could benefit. Indeed, it's why I joined the > > company 4 years ago in April (when I had been shown an early alpha of > > BD.NET, and after watching BD and its predecessor TagServlet for a couple > > years before that). > > > > But then you see also one of the reasons I chose to move on from the role > > and become independent again! :-) Frankly I got tired of the bickering that > > often arose over any attempts to show this alternative. I knew it was a > > compelling alternative for those who had the problems it solved, and I could > > very successfully demonstrate it to those who gave it serious consideration. > > And indeed, BD and New Atlanta do continue evolving the product since I left > > in April, and are about to announce BD 7. With Railo also offering CF7 > > functionality in a new beta, and the Smith project coming along, there are > > clearly plenty of demonstrations of the strength of CFML in the market. > > > > And now with CF8 coming out with really great new features, it really is a > > great time to be in CFML. I for one am very happy to be free to look into > > any and all possibilities. As always, I'm just looking for solutions to > > problems for my clients, regardless of who can provide them. And that goes > > for .NET, too. :-) It's not a zero-sum game, folks. There's a place for > > everyone and everything. Just pick what solves your problems, but be open > > always to alternatives. That may be all Scott means also. > > > > But trust me--I understand the sensitivity of bringing up .NET in a CF list. > > It's like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. It doesn't matter that > > there is no fire. It's just about being sensitive to the way crowds respond. > > :-) > > > > And I should add that my talk and preconference seminar at WebDU will apply > > 100% to CFMX users! :-) > > > > /Charlie > > http://www.carehart.org/blog/ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Robin Hilliard > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:42 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup). > > > > > > On 23/02/2007, at 12:10 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > > > Now if we/you want to play th
[cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets
> any other tips I've forgotten? Get plenty of sleep and drink lots of water before you come. It can be a very tiring and dehydrating experience. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).
Hmm time to get me some popcorn and settle in for a few hours of quality entertainment. On 2/23/07, Darren Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott > > As our local Microsoft rep, I was wondering if you could provide a > list of all the online mailing list and discussion forums for .net > developers? > I've got a whole bunch of links for online ColdFusion training modules > and I thought I could post them to all the .Net forums, because I hear > there's a glut of .Net developers and they could probably all benefit > from the many high paying CF job vacancies that CF businesses are > having trouble filling at the moment. > It would be a great benefit for our poor .net cousins. A real win-win > synergistic opportunity! > I'm sure you'll be happy to help these people out. > > Darren > > On Feb 23, 10:14 am, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > As per my previous thread regarding how Microsoft coul compliment the > > CF piece of the equation, i'm happy to report that we have a win or > > two happening in this space. > > > > If you flick your browsers > > tohttp://www.learn2asp.net/cf/Campaign.aspxyou'll see there is a whole > > bunch of goodness awaiting you starting Monday on how to add ASP.NET > > to your skillset. > > > > Given that these days at times there is a lot of ASP.NET work on this > > may be of relevance. > > > > This message will DrWatson in 30secs. > > > > Scott. > > Microsoft. > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Moving to Sydney
For general appliances (fridge, kettle, TV, washing machine) go to http://www.secondsworld.com.au/ -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: day light saving
I don't think the MS patch would affect CF - you'd need to patch the JDK. On 12/8/06, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perth just switched over to daylight saving over the weekend. > > We have applied the MS patch so we get the option of checking day light > saving for our timezone - and the clocks are displaying correctly. > > However, in coldfusion, #now()# is one hour out?? > > I have bound the cf application service - no change. > > > > -- > If you are not living on the edge, > You are taking up too much space. > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why XHTML?
> XHTML is better yet again because of the increased > signal-to-noise ratio. Rubbish! One thing that often gets incorrectly assumed is: XHTML = clean semantic markup HTML = lots of redundant nested tables & other crap By looking at the source of 100 random sites you might see this pattern emerging, but it is not a hard & fast rule. I can write HTML 4.01 code that is just as clean and semantic as any XHTML out there. Conversely I could write any sort of rubbish I want, make sure I put /> at the end of my image tags and then slap on an XHTML DTD. The charter for XHTML was exactly that - take the precise semantics of HTML 4.01 and make it XML compliant. So XHTML and HTML 4.01 are semantically identical. The fact that we have a history of people writing crap HTML and that the people who go to the trouble of putting an XHTML doc type on their files generally care more about there mark up is irrelevant. On 12/7/06, Tom Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 11:25:38AM +1000, Scott Barnes wrote: > > On 12/6/06, Ryan Sabir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > How many of you are developing sites in XHTML these days? Is it > > > worth the extra effort? > > > > SOE is supposedly the ducks nuts as to why. Yet, you'd have to be a > > moron to expect Google to differentiate between XHTML vs HTML as in > > the end, content is the one commodity google and co want initially. > > > > I've read many a debate on it, but in the end the browsers are smart > > enough and will continue to evolve to the fact that tag prediction and > > differentiating between Style vs Semantically Correct tagging has > > probably become a moot point these days and usually reserved for the > > HTML purists out there. > > I'll throw in my purist $0.02 here, and no doubt regret having done so > (I usually do). > > I've not yet read an informed point of view that argued that Google And > Friends *bias* their scoring systems towards XHTML, or even valid HTML. > If you've got a link, I'd appreciate the chuckle. I think there's > little doubt though that they would like to extract all possible content > from whatever document you publish and classify it as best they can. > The argument tends to be more along the lines that an automatic process > is *better able* to extract and classify content from valid, well-formed > HTML that follows a known set of rules. XHTML is better yet again > because of the increased signal-to-noise ratio. Semantically correct > markup simply conveys more information about the document contents. > > No doubt there'll be a number of different experiences from those on > this list arguing for and against this conjecture. This seems to be the > nature of the heavy wizardry of SEO. However my own intuition is that > the search engines whose algorithms do not currently use semantic markup > to better classify content could only justify this with that argument > that there's not enough content out there which is semantically > organized. You'd have to be a moron to think that they wouldn't make > use of this extra information to improve their indexing and > categorization, in order to improve the effectiveness and efficiency of > their product. ;) > > -T > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why XHTML?
> How many of you are developing sites in XHTML these days? We don't unless there is a specific reason we need content in XML. > Is it worth the extra effort? Not for it's own sake. IMHO aiming for valid HTML 4.01 is the best bet. - As someone else pointed out - XHTML served as text/html gets parsed as tag soup anyway. So your browser is ignoring the fact that it is XML. - Invalid XHTML/XML will make verity (almost) silently barf. This is one example of how broken XHTML is far more dangerous than broken HTML - SEO doesn't come into it to it. Any major spider will parse anything that it out there in enough volume. - I think the W3C HTML working group has lost the plot. XHTML 2 is never going to go main stream, so XHTML could well be a dead end. Have a look at whatwg.org and HTML5 instead - I think it's much more likely to succeed. Cheers Mark On 12/6/06, Ryan Sabir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey all, > > How many of you are developing sites in XHTML these days? Is it worth the > extra effort? > > thanks. > > > > RyanSabir > Technical Director > > p: (02) 92748030 > f: (02) 9274 8099 > m: 0411 512454 > w: www.newgency.com NewgencyPty Ltd > Web | Multimedia | eMarketing > > 224 RileySt > Surry Hills NSW 2010 > Sydney, Australia > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Et tu, Coldfusion
I'd say it would be in your jrun.xml file. Please be careful when editing this - you can break yoru whole install pretty easily. On 10/17/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Been banging my head on a brick wall trying to work out why some of our java > applications stopped working, specifically due to open JMS not wanting to > work any more. > > > > Turns out that I think the most recent CF update has decided to turn on JMS > as part of CF for me, how nice. Thus the port is in use thus Open JMS > doesn't want to play. > > > > So, anyone know how to tell CF service / config not to do JMS. There are so > many references to JMS in the config files, I really have no idea. > > > > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Glad you took that in the spirit it was intended - I thought about that email last night & cringed about being too harsh... No offence intended :) Just came across this this morning - http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/09/07/JRuby-guys - maybe we'll be able to run ruby code in our CF applications at some point in the future? On 9/7/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/7/06, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OMG - another free software consipracy - quick get the DOJ onto it! > > > > Did you know Adobe (formerly Macromedia) have done a devious deal with > > those evil communists at the Apache Foundation to secretly bundle the > > Xerces parser and Axis web services engine with every copy of > > Coldfusion? > > > > Go on Adobe, top that! > > > > Bleh - Acrobat Reader owz you. > > > ROTFLMAO!! > > you're a funny [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark! I stand happily ridiculed. > > thanx for cheering up my day. I needed it > > cheers > b > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
> Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still > astounded/disgusted in the amount of hype that surounds the > RubyOnRails camp. did you know that 37Signals has done a deal with > Apple so the next version of OS-X comming out will have RonR included > on every copy, ready to install and run? sure you can still get it off > the website, but think of the kudos. OMG - another free software consipracy - quick get the DOJ onto it! Did you know Adobe (formerly Macromedia) have done a devious deal with those evil communists at the Apache Foundation to secretly bundle the Xerces parser and Axis web services engine with every copy of Coldfusion? > Go on Adobe, top that! Bleh - Acrobat Reader owz you. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why bother
I disagree mate - Introducing load testing, progress tracking, etc.. makes the solution much more complex. I'd take the simplest approach that achieves the aim everytime. If the complex approach has some significant advantage then sure, but I can't see any here. I also disagree that thread.sleep() is not "what CF is made to do", but I can't really argue with your logic because you haven't really outlined why you feel this way. ...but each to his own. On 8/31/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A method that you can use instead of this is to run a scheduled process > every minute or so. Use the GetMetricData() function to detect server load, > and if load is low, run the process for a set number of rows / timeframe. > Then record the status of the process and exit. Future requests can carry on > from the previous request. > > This makes more sense and it is what CF is made to do. Putting in a sleep > function sounds like a tricky short cut that may cause problems in the > future. > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Mark Stanton > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 10:28 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why bother > > > > Hi Joel > > We have made good use of thread.sleep() in a case where we had a very > long and CPU intensive process. This process made the rest of the site > crawl when it was being run and so it was scheduled for just after > midnight. > > It doesn't really matter how long it takes for the process to run so > we added in some logic to force the process to sleep for a couple of > seconds after every few iterations through a loop. This allowed other > threads to use the CPU. > > The end result is we can now run this process at any time without any > significant impact on users. > > Just one example.. > > On 8/31/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why are you using "sleep functionality"? All it does is lock up valuable > > threads. I would seriously consider leaving the CF realm if adobe ever > went > > down the path of creating such tags to please the community.. What's next? > > or ? I > > guess these would be useful for load testing, but they can be done in Java > > anyhow. Well except the restart=tomorrow part, which would have to be > > scheduled externally. > > > > ModelGlue is nothing like RonR. At webDU I remember someone once said that > > RonR is like an MVC for designers. ModelGlue is fully XML powered and is > > powered by events. ModelGlue on the other hand is more directed at > > programmers, being XML powered and using an events subsystem for the whole > > basis of an application. There are a lot more steps to building an app > with > > modelglue. > > > > I agree with all the positives of CF and none of the negatives mentioned > > here. My own negatives for CF are: > > - Web Services support could be better > > - The Licensing needs to be fixed up so that CF applications can be sold > as > > WAR files without the need to apply a full CF server license to the end > > price. > > > > But these are so minor that there really is no point in moving on to > another > > language. The only thing I would like (and this makes sense) is for a > basic > > version of the CF server to be open sourced (with any core changes > > controlled by adobe). This would take the pressure off Adobe (lets face it > > CF has moved under 3 different vendors, two of which no longer exist) and > > would allow the application to evolve to meet standards and needs. But > it's > > really out there. > > > > Think of it. Adobe could leverage the open sourcedness of CF to integrate > > all their publishing applications, which is what they are really known for > > (and are probably a lot better at). > > > > Joel > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of > > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 8:16 AM > > To: cfaussie > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > > > > > > > > Hey Andrew, > > > > SIde note. I think there is a sleep functionality coming out. We are > > calling the java code directly at the moment. > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Stanton > Gruden Pty Ltd > http://www.gruden.com > > > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why bother
Hi Joel We have made good use of thread.sleep() in a case where we had a very long and CPU intensive process. This process made the rest of the site crawl when it was being run and so it was scheduled for just after midnight. It doesn't really matter how long it takes for the process to run so we added in some logic to force the process to sleep for a couple of seconds after every few iterations through a loop. This allowed other threads to use the CPU. The end result is we can now run this process at any time without any significant impact on users. Just one example.. On 8/31/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why are you using "sleep functionality"? All it does is lock up valuable > threads. I would seriously consider leaving the CF realm if adobe ever went > down the path of creating such tags to please the community.. What's next? > or ? I > guess these would be useful for load testing, but they can be done in Java > anyhow. Well except the restart=tomorrow part, which would have to be > scheduled externally. > > ModelGlue is nothing like RonR. At webDU I remember someone once said that > RonR is like an MVC for designers. ModelGlue is fully XML powered and is > powered by events. ModelGlue on the other hand is more directed at > programmers, being XML powered and using an events subsystem for the whole > basis of an application. There are a lot more steps to building an app with > modelglue. > > I agree with all the positives of CF and none of the negatives mentioned > here. My own negatives for CF are: > - Web Services support could be better > - The Licensing needs to be fixed up so that CF applications can be sold as > WAR files without the need to apply a full CF server license to the end > price. > > But these are so minor that there really is no point in moving on to another > language. The only thing I would like (and this makes sense) is for a basic > version of the CF server to be open sourced (with any core changes > controlled by adobe). This would take the pressure off Adobe (lets face it > CF has moved under 3 different vendors, two of which no longer exist) and > would allow the application to evolve to meet standards and needs. But it's > really out there. > > Think of it. Adobe could leverage the open sourcedness of CF to integrate > all their publishing applications, which is what they are really known for > (and are probably a lot better at). > > Joel > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 8:16 AM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > > > > Hey Andrew, > > SIde note. I think there is a sleep functionality coming out. We are > calling the java code directly at the moment. > > J. > > > > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Hi Andrew > I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. Here is the rails API documentation: http://api.rubyonrails.com/ If you take the ColdSpring, MG, Reactor and CFAjax + big chunks of the CF language (where CF is abstracting away tricky stuff like queries, mail, includes, custom tags, etc..) you'll end up with something like Rails. The Ruby language is a lower level scripting language like ECMAscript, Python or Perl, that provides the basic syntax - its not specifically web related. All the web app related stuff is in Rails. Saying RoR = MG is really only looking at one very small part of RoR. On 8/30/06, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, > > Coldfusion can be used with a development license, devnet license is free as > long as it is never used in production. Now, with eclipse and all the > plugins for svn, cvs, jira to name a few it is still free to develop any > application I want. > > Now .Net has a steeper programming curve than CF and you do spend more time > developing than CF so the cost becomes irrelevant and should be incorporated > into the price of the job you do for your client, unless of course you are > hosting yourself then you can recoup the cost by x amount of clients or use > a shared hosting which .Net will cost the same amount of money to host > roughly. > > And the argument is what again? > > I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. > > > Senior Coldfusion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? > > > I see your point steve, but I think your wrong. > > Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a > freak and you like your nipples twisted. > > Secondly; The Cost is once off for the company and in turn can develop > many apps to pay it off where they can have that cost built into the > product they are building. > > Sorry, the only real excuse is if the developer doesn't understand the > requirements of their application they are building and blows the time > out of the water. > > Jeremy. > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
You get 2 of those 3 in RoR On 8/30/06, Blair McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides the support issues, there is also a level of polish in CF that other > languages don't have. Some points are: > > CF components are an access="remote" away from being web services > query-of-queries > custom tags - they may seem like a trivial feature but can make code > incredibly intuitive > Blair > > > On 8/30/06, Bjorn Schultheiss < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with > the > > ruby language. > > > > In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. > > Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable > > quick deployment of apps. > > That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. > > That being said you must pay. > > > > I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an > assessment. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bjorn Schultheiss > > Senior Flash Developer > > QDC Technologies > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Barry Beattie > > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? > > > > > > please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of > > ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying > > > > here's the question: Why Buy into CF? > > > > because of rapid development? > > - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against > > Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the > fastest > > pocket-rocket. > > > > because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way > of > > supporting AMF3 for Flex2? > > - NOPE!: "How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an > > open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General > > Public License" > > > http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch > > (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) > > > > it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? > > - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real > > fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. > > Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. > > > > CFREPORT? > > ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. > > FlashForms? > > ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? > > ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems > were > > standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 > and > > it's not enough reason to upgrade. > > > > it's got a large, active, supportive community? > > ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the > > evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because > their > > platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to > > opensource > > > > So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... > > > > ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch > > - or - upgrading from CF6.1? > > > > this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but > how > > they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. > > > > (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the > > dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp > > here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL > > PROTECTED]@ > > straw...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
RoR is super simple if you are following DHH's "blog in 15 minutes" presentation. After that it does get considerably harder and you are, god forbid, expected to learn something of the ruby language and the mechanics of the rails framework. I spent about 100 hours building an app in it earlier this year and found that the 80/20 rule (80% of the funcitonality in 20% of the time, remaining 20% of the funcitonality takes 80% of the time) blew out to something like 90/10. I had 90 of the app together in about 10 hours using the scaffolding stuff, but when I needed to do harder stuff I had a very steep learning curve. So getting started in rails is very easy, trying to do stuff that doesn't come out of the box is somewhat harder. Having said that, ruby is a pretty mature & powerful language and there is not much you can't do if you spend the time learning how. There are plenty of big apps/sites out there running RoR prove its more than a neat toy. The biggest and most valid complaint I have heard against RoR and Ruby generally is the breadth and maturity of the libraries for fundamental things like HTTP and XML parsing. What is often taken for granted in the CF community is that when you are doing a XMLSearch or XMLParse you are using some of the most mature, stable and power libraries out there (mostly from the Apache Foundation). Ruby just isn't up to this level yet. On 8/30/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can someone please correct me if I am wrong, but.. > > I played around with RonR a few weekends ago and while it was quick to get a > blog going, it seemed like it would be difficult to build a more complex > application. Basically as far as I could see, RonR is good for getting raw > data (yes, I know you can join tables, whoopdidoo) and plonking it into a > web layout. Anything more complex would require a deepened understanding of > the language and many hours of stuffing around, kind of like CF, but CF has > an advantage. > > CF is simple, easy to learn and understand plus it doesn't try to obfuscate > things into models and so forth (though there are many models out there to > do this).. And how many really good developers can you get for Ruby at the > moment? > > Heres an idea which could "revolutionise" the industry, build a CF-on-rails. > > Joel > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Barry Beattie > Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? > > > > please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out > of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying > > here's the question: Why Buy into CF? > > because of rapid development? > - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true > against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no > longer the fastest pocket-rocket. > > because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective > way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? > - NOPE!: "How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is > an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU > General Public License" > http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch > (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) > > it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? > - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument > real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. > Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. > > CFREPORT? > ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. > FlashForms? > ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out > Gateways? > ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems > were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck > on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. > > it's got a large, active, supportive community? > ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the > evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because > their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to > turn to opensource > > So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... > > ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch > - or - upgrading from CF6.1? > > this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, > but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. > > (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the > dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyO
[cfaussie] Re: anyone else with grief: MS06-040 patch and CF (JRun)?
Funny I saw the same thing on my local machine yesterday after patching it. Rebooted, hit start on the service and got that (or a similar) message - however when I check a few minutes later the service was running so I thought nothing of it. Just checking again now - restarting on my local machine... got "Error 1053: The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion.", when stopping the service, but it started without any problems. Mark On 8/14/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > this (critical) MS patch killed our servers dead last week. > > After applying the MS06-040 patch & rebooting, the service called > "ColdFusion Application Server" service cannot be restarted. > > At this point, if the service stops for any reason, it cannot be > restarted. Doing so will generate an error: "Error occurred during > initialization of VM. Could not reserve enough space for object heap" > > We've repatched and tried again (disabling some stuff has helped) but > I just want to check if anyone else has come across this? > > thanx > barry.b > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF vs ...
t; > > > Don't try to sell the CF Platform to business. Sell CF Solutions to > > business. > > > > > > > > /charlie > > http://www.carehart.org/blog/ > > > > > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Robin Hilliard > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:20 AM > > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF vs ... > > > > > > > > On 08/08/2006, at 10:30 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > > > > Robin, > > > > You assume there is rational conversations taking place at the management > > level along with Cost benefit realisation? Who here actively has had > > conversations about the two with management? > > > > Well, that was actually my job for a while, and it seemed to work (Telstra > > for example). Most of the stuff at that level is still FUD, and plenty of > > Microsoft partners (e.g. Accenture in Canberra) have a full time > occupation > > sowing it - they want to sell their services just as much as we do, and > > they're very good at it. But once you cut through the FUD people are > pretty > > receptive to the CF RAD message. > > > > > > Actually I'm really just banging the same old drum about selling business > > solutions instead of technologies. If what you sell is a person who can > > code in CF, you're not really talking to management at a level that they > can > > connect with - much as I wouldn't connect with a plumber who sold > themselves > > as a specialist fusion welder (Hmm, the other plumber told me that ".TIG" > is > > a better welding method, and he was going to do my office for me as well > in > > a bundle) rather than someone who could stop my pipes leaking in 20 > minutes > > for a hundred bucks. > > > > > > Don't try to sell the CF Platform to business. Sell CF Solutions to > > business. > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > Robin Hilliard > > Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd > > Consulting . Software Licensing . Recruitment . Training > > http://www.rocketboots.com.au > > > > > > For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins: > > w+61 7 5451 0362 > > > > m+61 419 677 151 > > f+61 3 9923 6261 > > e [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > or Direct: > > m+61 418 414 341 > > e[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > *** Worldwide Adobe Licensing - Volume discounts now start at one point > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Frameworks - cfsick
> if CF8 has some extra OO stuff (which it should) then you might regret using > a framework at all. But even with the current model, you can do proper cfc > development. Huh? You mean better OO stuff like Java has? A lot of J2EE development is still done using frameworks, so I don't think the "full OO functionality = don't need a framework" logic really follows. You are right in saying that a good custom solution will work - sure it will, but I don't think that is an argument against frameworks. I think the bottom line is as other people have said - the right tool for the job. I'm not religious about specific frameworks, I just think that in my experience using a decent framework has helped me make a better end product. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Frameworks - cfsick
We're using Mach-II, Coldspring and Reactor in combination. If I was coming to the whole scene without previous experience I'd be tempted to swap out Mach-II for Model-Glue for the reasons Greg states. Trying to dive into using all 3 in one hit is probably a bit challenging. Maybe start with an MVC framework Mach-II or MG) and build a little sample app (address book or blog), then add in Coldspring and then Reactor. Be ready to rewrite the app several times before it all looks right. I found Reactor to be pretty intuitive after you get going with it, maybe having done some RoR stuff helped me know what to expect. Coldspring is probably the simplest but it too the longest for the idea to actually make sense to me. I've been using Mach-II for 2 or 3 years so I'm pretty comfortable with that one but it was a challenge when I first picked it up. Reactor is easy to get into because it makes your life easy and saves you writing a lot of code. Mach-II on the other hand can feel like its making you do lots more work, but from experience I've been really glad I've done it when it comes time to modify the application at a later date. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Whats so bad about the tag syntax?
Woot! converting tag based syntax into cfscript makes the code run faster? I've never heard that one before... On 5/11/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For some things it seems a lot faster, especially when there's a lot of > processing involved of structs and arrays etc. But not everything I guess.. > Usually the code starts off in tags and if I see that it's running a bit > slow I change it to cfscript.. Sometimes it runs a bit faster.. I cannot > give you hard examples though. Maybe it's because I turn the tags into > functions in the process.. who knows. I am a bit old school. I still take > pleasure in the joys of using cold fusion studio 4.5 every now and then. > > > Joel > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of M@ Bourke > Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 7:46 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Whats so bad about the tag syntax? > > >I only use cfscript to improve the speed of things > > How so? > you mean writing it?? > as cfml hasn't been any slower then cfscript since mx came out. > back in the olden days cfscript was faster but these days its all compiled > to the same old byte code > > M@ > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?
Hey Gary I have no experience writing language parsers so I could be way off the mark here, but with all due respect I think ECMA compliance is not just a matter of making something that exists "standard" or standards compliant. "A conforming implementation of ECMAScript must provide and support all the types, values, objects, properties, functions, and program syntax and semantics described in this specification." My reading of this is that there is a heap of stuff in ECMAScript that does not exist in CF at all or directly conflicts with the way things are done in CF. The Null type, support for finally in try/catch blocks, date handling, arrays starting at 0, etc.. I'm all for cfscript getting ECMA style operators like ++, <, > and so on, but I think that this is worlds apart from ECMA compliance. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?
> It might be better get Adobe to update the cfscript tag to include > lang="ecmascript" that way it opens to door to lang="java" or whatever > your favourite language that has a java compiler for it. Thus by > default lang="cfscript" and then you're open to mix and match > scripting languages to you hearts content. I've heard this suggestion before too... Cool so now we have cfm, cfscript, server-side actionscript (whatever the hell that is), mxml, cfECMAscript... I know I'd just love to support all that if I was Adobe. Intertestingly enough Sun are working on allowing php, python, ruby etc... to also run on the JVM (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/02/02/LAMP-Java-Sun), maybe we can also get all of this in CF? That way you could pick languages like you pick underwear (hopefully one for each day of the week). -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?
Hey Gary - ECMA compliance will break existing cfscript & MM/Adobe won't break backward compatibility in CF. - I doubt very much whether writing/implementing a language/syntax and all the stuff that goes with it could ever be called an easy thing to do. Maybe your definition of easy is a little different to mine. People often forget that CF is geared towards entry level web development - "make pdf's and reports in 5 minutes" is the sweet spot for CF - not proper OO, or more elegant/advanced language features. Look at CF7, which I consider the first "real version" since about CF4 (the other versions where just steps in the long migration to java) - all the new features are geared towards entry level, "impress your boss" type stuff. The market beyond this is very crowded (java, .net, etc...) - why would mm go in there and try to compete with that. They have listened to people like us saying they want more true oo, etc.. and so they gave us native java support. MM/Adobe see Flash & Flex are the areas where they can throw a lot of budget and expect returns because they are alone in their market, there is no direct competition. If they can expand this market by convincing J2EE and Mobile people that Flash is right for the UI - they are all along and have the chance to cash in big time. CF is in a very different place to this - MM/Adobe will continue to support it as long as it turns a profit, but I don't think they really see it as a game changer for them so they are not about to pour heaps of resources into ramping it up. I'd expect a whole lot more Flex/PDF integration in the next CF. Maybe some token geeky stuff like interfaces, but not much more. There is no way you are going to see the type of effort go into the CF language that you have seen in AS over the past few years. I wouldn't hold your breath for any significant change of direction here. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'll eat my hat if CF8 has significantly enhanced cfscript support. I also think that break points are an extremely long shot. On 5/9/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've had the exact same thoughts, more along the lines of writing the code > in a familiar like java and preparsing / compiling the code back to cf > stuff. > > It wouldn't be that hard, I was thinking supporting a simple java syntax > rather than cfscript so that I could get rid of those pesky gt lt bits. > > Only thing stopping me from doing that is version 8. Hopefully it will do > this for me or similar. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > > > > -Original Message- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Haikal Saadh > Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2006 09:47 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone? > > > I've actually fantasied taking that 10%, wrapping in functions, and > injecting in on startup to web-inf.component. Or extend > web-inf.component, and include those methods, and have all my code > extend the new and improved component. > > Has anyone done this yet? If not, why? > > Dale Fraser wrote: > > I'd also imagine taking the 10% of stuff you cant do with CFSCRIPT and > > including this would be easy. *snip* > > > > > -- > Haikal Saadh, Applications Programmer > Teaching and Learning Support Services > K405, Queensland University of Technology, Kelvin Grove Campus > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 3864 8633 > CRICOS No. 00213J > > > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: apache error - why not several hosts?
Hey Mike All looks good to me. You remembered to restart Apache after you made those changes right? Also maybe set the log level to debug and check your log files. On 4/24/06, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm working on setting my system up using Apache instead of IIS, and I > have the web server working, I have worked through the excellent > article at http://johnbokma.com/windows/apache-virtual-hosts-xp.html > which explains how to do it in the simplest, clearest terms I've > encountered before. > > However I've missed something somewhere because I'm still not getting > multiple virtual sites appearing. Have i got something wrong here or > missed something? Because using any of these urls takes me to the > same place - the root of the first one. > > Can anyone see what's wrong here? > > Here's my hosts file relating to this area: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 127.0.0.1 dev.afpwebworks.com # my company site > 127.0.0.1 dev.bluegrass.org.au # my bluegrass site > 127.0.0.1 dev.intranet # intranet - admin apps > > > I've included a virtual-hosts.txt file with the virtual hosts listed, > and restarted apache after every change to any of these files. > Here's whats in the virtual-hosts.txt file: > > > # > # Use name-based virtual hosting. > NameVirtualHost *:80 > > > ServerName dev.intranet > DocumentRoot "C:/sites/Mysites/intranet.com/site/web" > ErrorLog "C:/sites/Mysites/intranet.com/local-logs/error.log" > CustomLog "C:/sites/Mysites/intranet.com/local-logs/access.log" combined > > > > ServerName dev.afpwebworks.com > DocumentRoot "C:/sites/Mysites/afpwebworks.com/site/web" > ErrorLog "C:/sites/Mysites/afpwebworks.com/local-logs/error.log" > CustomLog "C:/sites/Mysites/afpwebworks.com/local-logs/access.log" > combined > > > > ServerName dev.bluegrass.org.au > DocumentRoot "C:/sites/Mysites/bluegrass.org.au/site/web" > ErrorLog "C:/sites/Mysites/bluegrass.org.au/local-logs/error.log" > CustomLog "C:/sites/Mysites/bluegrass.org.au/local-logs/access.log" > combined > > > > -- > Cheers > Mike Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > AFP Webworks > http://afpwebworks.com > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: secure client server communication
I think Haikal is onto it - HTTPS with client certificates. Traffic is encrypted with HTTPS & idenitifcation is ensured by the cetificates at both ends. If you are talking client (i.e. browser) / server I don't think CF would really need to be involved at all - the browser and web server should be able to take care of all that. Have a look at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_howto.html#accesscontrol and http://www.garex.net/apache/#CACreation If you are talking about web services I guess your CF "client" would need to know how to pass through cert information, but at the other end it would still be Apache receiving the request and handling the HTTPS end of things. CF on the server end might see some extra CGI variables, but that's about it. On 4/10/06, Angus Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks guys! > > Gavin, I think I follow what you're saying with the port forwarding. Sounds > like a pretty cool idea but relies on the customer having control over port > allocations/routing? I don't know whether we could count on that... > certainly something our enterprise clients could implement for that "feel > secure" factor :) > > Looks like public keys is the way to go. If I am not mistaken the only way > to get public keys into the CF picture will be to work with Java directly. > Is this correct? > We want to really keep things as simple as possible. > > Cheers > Angus > > > > > -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Public / Private Key Encryption
HI Dale Not sure how far you want to push it but if you are keen to invest some time & effort you can do it with the JCE (Java Cryptographic Extensions) and an RSA provider like bouncycastle. The upside is its all native java either provided with the JVM or open source. The downside is it takes bloody ages working it all out and piecing it all togther. Cheers -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: cfstats
C:\path_to_cf_stat> cfstat 1 > stats-log.txt
Should run cfstat polling once per second and record the output to a
file called stats-log.txt in the directory cfstat is in.
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[cfaussie] Re: DB field with a space in it
qContacts{"First Name"]
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[cfaussie] Commonwealth Games warps the space time continuum
Was anyone aware of this http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21232128 ? If so - are you doing anything about it? -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: WebDu Who's going ?
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[cfaussie] Re: WebDu Who's going ?
Anyone remember this classic http://www.bloginblack.de/archives/000617.cfm? I guess I'll be down in the casino "necking zambuccas" with Gav & Finula again... -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Several folders with Application.cfc in each
Hey Mike I'd imagine you would need a cfmapping to the top level application root directory (lets call it myApp). Your Application.cfc in your subdirectory would then do something like: Then in your myApp/subfolder/Application.cfc you could which would run the onRequestStart method in the top level Application.cfc and then execute the rest of the code in the myApp.subfolder.Application.onRequestStart() method. hth On 1/30/06, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been away at the beach for two weeks, and spend a goodly amount of the > time in the tent writing a new app, while the rest of the family frolicked > on the beach.(yes I know I need a life - but i was able to concentrate > on a new app that's completely CFC based and as OOP as i can make it.) > > Anyway, I decided since the rest of the app was cfc based, I ought to use > Application.cfc instead of my more familiar Application.cfm. It makes sense > to me now, except for one aspect > > In the old days, I could set an Application.cfm for any folder, changing > some of the settings (for example closing off one folder to public access or > giving a different header file) by simply adding a Application.cfm file to > that folder, including the line > to inherit all the settings from the Application.cfm file in the folder > above it. > > How does this happen now with Application.cfc?Do you just use > "extends="Application" , > > To use the example above, in a subfolder of the site, for example a > "members" folder, I would want to force a login to grant access, whereas in > all the other folders of the site i would want free public access.So, do > I just put a Application.cfc in the members folder, with just the following? > > > > > > > > In which case, what happens to all the other onRequestStart settings from > the OnRequestStart method in the "main" Application.cfc? Are they > inherited? > -- > Cheers > Mike Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > AFP Webworks > http://afpwebworks.com > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com
