Re: [freenet-chat] FW: Please help with a Global Vigil for Peace
Nicholas Sturm: Glad to know you want people to be defrauded. I don't happen to agree with that desire. You're our savior! Thank you so much! ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] FW: Please help with a Global Vigil for Peace
Nicholas Sturm: Seems that with a few billion residence of this planet, some have not yet become aware of the strategy being used -- and hope they can make a killing. I still favor education for those who might be a little gullible -- as obvious as the scam may be to most. We are truly in your debt, great teacher. I genuinely admire you. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Legal History on Natural vs. Statutory Exclusive Rights
Seth Johnson: a bunch of stuff about laws or something Will you be my Space Leprechaun? Your affectionate correspondent, mjr ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Microsoft freenet clone?
As I understand it (and I don't profess to have any special knowledge), these products are straightforward replacements for traditional static file servers on corporate computer networks. I doubt they will find many customers. Serving static files is easy and inexpensive. Show me a distributed ERP system and I'll be impressed. That's where all the money is, you know. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] my view on the project...
Peter Koellner: so i would opt for an emergency break. revise the project organization, try to prepare a sound development environment and write enough initial documentation to get people on the train. also think about the prototype implementation platform. I should point out that there are three levels of this project: * Freenet. The performance and properties of the routing technique. Documented in research papers. * FNP. The optimal implementation of the Freenet algorithm. Documented in specification. * Fred. The actual node implementation. Javadocs. There is plenty of documentation. Anyway, the popular insults are that Fred is buggy and bloated, FNP is overengineered and inefficient, and Freenet is vulnerable to anonymity attacks and flooding. Freenet does not have full-time developers. If you think it's beyond repair, begin it again the right way. If it's fixable, fix it. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] freenet wont start for me
Josh Steiner: when i try to start freenet i get this in my error log. i'm running latest autoupdate builds on windows 2000. any suggestions? Delete your store, it's corrupt. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] VERY IMPORTANT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, and being the victim of such spoofing, the only honorable way to respond is the following: Mark, I can no longer live in a world of such evil as you have described. I have just taken an overdose of PCP (animal tranquilizer) and have directed than my body be donated to the feeding of my animal friends. And I wouldn't want to be responsible for anything like that. OK, fine, I admit it. It was all a joke. The bonsai kitten industry is actually very well regulated, and the cats live long, happy lives inside their glass bottles. Those adorable kittens really are a tribute to the timeless Asian bonsai tradition. They are something we can all take pride in. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] VERY IMPORTANT
A close friend of mine, and a devoted advocate of animal rights, once visited one of these inhuman cat factories. This one was located in an industrial area near a train yard, set up in the basement of an abandoned building. He got news of the discovery through an animal-rights mailing list, and he drove over in order to join the street protest. When he arrived, he tells me, police officers had organized a sort of assembly line. Hundreds of cats, each entombed inside a glass vessel, were carried up out of the reeking warehouse by volunteers. Some cats meowed in a sick, horrible way, and so were brought over to the smashing counter, where their tombs were shattered with a rubber mallet. Others were silent, for they were dead. Some had been dead for nearly a week, and were beginning to decay. These were bagged and thrown in a fast-growing heap, to be trucked off to a mass grave. In total approximately six hundred cats were removed, of which nearly two hundred were dead. Now the operation of this factory was quite normal. There was no exceptional cause for such a great number of cats dying. Death was routine - cats are not suited to living in glass vessels. And the evidence for this was in an adjacent room - warehouse space, in fact. Burning the corpses would attract too much attention. So the floor of this warehouse was removed, and upon the bare dirt huge mounds had sprung up in various places. Mass graves. They estimated that fourty thousand cat corpses were buried there. In another room was stored the glass-blowing equipment: a small furnace, tongs, blowing pipe, and supply of raw material. The perpetrators remain at large. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Recent spam to the list
Reed Hedges: Can someone please do something about the span to the tech and chat lists? Close the list completely (allow only subscribers to post), or send messages from non-subscribers to the moderator. Oh, that's easy for you to say, you insensitive jackass. A drive through the countryside just bores you. But what about us? WHAT ABOUT US? When EVERY farmhouse is to us a SEETHING CAULDRON of DESIRE, where we are PUT TO SHAME and EXPOSED for all to see as the foul BEASTS we really are. And you just sneer at our plight. I think you're just jealous. What do you have to look forward to in this life? A dreary existence of labor and longing, anomie and disgust... perhaps thoughts of your eventual liberation by sickness and death provide a meager, solitary comfort to your troubled soul. But since I helped smuggle TWENTY-FIVE MILLION SIX-HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS into my BANK ACCOUNT, it is a certainty that medical science, under the wing of my generous philanthropy, will grant me nothing less than immortal youth. How totally alien our lives will be! Yours, nasty, brutish and (you may hope) short; mine, spent wallowing in the rapture of effortless and eternal corinthian excess. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Real ZOO web site, welcome! ID
David T-G: > Hi, all -- > > ...and then Farmgirl16834 said... > % > % > %The BEST zoo site on the @net! > > spamcopped (carefully :-) and razored What a freak. ___ chat mailing list chat at freenetproject.org http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Why don't any dystopian plots feature Big Brother teleporting people around?
It's pretty compelling, isn't it? ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Describing Freenet
Timm Murray: No. The web is all about storage of data. Freenet is about routing. You can lie to average people all you want (people are lied to enough for the sake of dumbing down), but it is *not* a web analogue. Sure it is. What would you prefer to compare it to? ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Describing Freenet
Chris Vogel: Why not compare freenet to a distributed filesystem? Because nobody (to my knowledge) has ever implemented a Freenet filesystem. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Describing Freenet
Timm Murray: RIP, IGRP, OSPF, etc. Not very convienant for your non-techie, but more accurate, IMHO. I'm so happy to not know what those abbreviations mean. Though I suspect they have something to do with IP itself. Tell me, can I look at HTML or publish files with them? Do you access them through a web browser by default? ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Describing Freenet
Timm Murray: No, a regular user wouldn't touch them at all. Which is my point: the web is just one application of the Internet. The web (and e-mail, I suppose) is probably the most visible application of the net, and many people believe that Internet and WWW are synonyms. However, saying that the web is the Internet is extremely limiting. I nevertheless believe that Freenet is most similar to a collective web server. Sure, you can crudely hack in one-to-one messaging, but ultimately the system is tailored for and used for file publication, and the primary interface is the web browser. ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-tech] Targeted Sales Leads potb
Timm Murray: > Personally, I prefer to spider women and fast cars. Can you provide that? Unusual fetish ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-devl] Current Status
Edgar Friendly: > promote freenet for distribution of unlicensed Anime. These fansubbers insist that they're actually doing the artists a favor by pirating anime! That's trivially absurd: if it was profitable, they would do it for you. I can only conclude that those who offer this argument - and it's pretty damn common - are stupid, lying, or both. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-devl] Re: April Fools Day
David Allen: > Maybe I'm just a humorless bastard, but I didn't think that one in > particular was very funny. Last year's was just incomparably better: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.0/0007.html Neither of them fooled anyone, but at least that was funny. > IMHO a good April fools joke should include confusion, humor, > and maybe a spoonful of the incredulous, but it shouldn't be > intentionally aimed at just pissing a whole lot of people off (like > the slashdot "jokes"). I guess it depends on where the joke is > targeted. Is it supposed to be funny for just the person playing the > joke, or everyone? No. If that were the point, we'd call the occasion something like April Joke or April Happy Silly Funny Day. Do they really have anything offensive on slashdot? ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Numconv
Mark J Roberts:
> static inline char *integer_to_string(unsigned int n, unsigned int base)
> {
> static char s[33];
> char *p = s + sizeof(s) - 1;
> if (!n)
> *--p = '0';
> else
> do *--p = integer_to_char(n % base);
> while ((n /= base) > 0);
> return p;
> }
Oops. The special case is useless. See, I told you I'd fuck it up!
Just ignore the stuff I wrote about the special case and viddy how
integer_to_char(0 % 10) = '0' and (0 /= 10) = 0.
static inline char *integer_to_string(unsigned int n, unsigned int base)
{
static char s[33];
char *p = s + sizeof(s) - 1;
do *--p = integer_to_char(n % base);
while ((n /= base) > 0);
return p;
}
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[freenet-chat] Numconv
Mark J Roberts: > exersize God, I'm starting to spell like Ian. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Numconv
Mark J Roberts: > They require bit-level manipulation (shifts, masks, etc) so you > should be comfortable with doing that sort of thing before diving > in. Oops. As Aaron pointed out, they don't. (Only power of 2 bases can use that sort of thing.) Wumpus wumpus. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Numconv
krepta at juno.com: > I don't understand C or C++ well enough to know what this source code > means. Sorry. I need it in QBasic, at least till I learn C and C++. :) INPUT: hex, binary, octal, decimal, whatever || \/ CONVERSION:native integer || \/ OUTPUT: hex, binary, octal, decimal, whatever That's the broad structure of the conversion program. Now, the specific algorithms - to create an integer from hex, for instance, or print an integer in decimal format - are really common, so you'll have no trouble finding example code and explanations. They require bit-level manipulation (shifts, masks, etc) so you should be comfortable with doing that sort of thing before diving in. There are actually only two algorithms for standard base-n numbers, one for input and one for output. Things like roman numerals or spelled-out numbers will require specialized algorithms, of course, so it's a good idea to write your conversion program in an extensible way, in case you ever need to deal with those. Unfortunately I don't know QBasic, but I'll show you how I'd implement the program in C if you'd like (I'll write lots of comments). ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-devl] How about the -clients mailinglist?
Sebastian Spaeth: > But although I am very interested in the Freenet development, the > fcptools/put/get *development* interests me not very much and I already > have to cope with a high amount of mails per day. And who doesn't fondly remember life before email? The leisurely pace of a world unencumbered with the burdens of modernity. When life welcomed every newborn into her warm embrace, and bid farewell the dying with solemn gratitude. The sun burned bright above rolling valleys of space and sound; streams wound through lush forests within night's incorruptible darkness. In those times long past the world made its bid for greatness. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-tech] Re: Crash in new Fred code?
Aaron Ingebrigtsen: > I tried just going to the port 80, then I tried 8080 then and 8081 > too, and nothing worked. First it said that access to port 80 was not > allowed, then for all the other ports it said cannot find server. Its node is down, unfortunately. > And the telnet method of getting to IRC.openprojects.org didn't work. It > sais it can't open port 6667. Which I'm pretty sure is the right port for > IRC connections. irc.openprojects.net ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Web Chat
krepta at juno.com: > So instead of typing /msg nickserv ghost [name] [password] in order to > kill my user name I would type MSG NICKSERV GHOST [NAME] [PASSWORD]? In > other words, no / before the command and all caps for all IRC commands, > yes? PRIVMSG nickserv :ghost name password Don't forget the colon. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Web Chat
Aaron Ingebrigtsen: > Ok, I have access to Telnet, but what addressing do I use? Read the RFC. The server is irc.openprojects.net. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Web Chat
Aaron Ingebrigtsen: > Is there any way to access the Freenet Chat IRC without installing any > software on the School Workstations? Or can anyone get onto a Website chat > room? Like MSN chat or something? Telnet? ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: packaging fcptools for debian
> RM> Hello! > RM> I've been looking at you program, which looks very nice. > RM> Is it okay for you if I package it for the Debian > RM> distribution? The various freenet-related debian packages have caused some confusion in the past, since freenet's so wildly unstable. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Useing Freenet without a Local Client
Timm Murray: > The person has to say to give public access in their configuration. There > have been > some public nodes around, but their use is strongly discouraged. Transient "nodes" are hardly more anonymous. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Censorship
Timm Murray: > ADD is quite often diagnosed among hackers and other techies. This may > explain why hackers often cite strongly caffinated beverages as a > drink-of-choice, because caffeine has a simlar melcular shape to ritalin > (sp?). Many hackers also agree with the CoS in this respect that ADD is > extremly over-diagnosed (although disagreeing that "only the CoS can help > restructure your brain to fight ADD" and all that junk). The existence of the disorder is indisputable: parents are not inventing the symptoms they report to their pediatricians. Do these hackers contend that the majority of ADD cases should be left untreated? Or should they be treated differently, and how so? ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Censorship
Tavin Cole: > One is that we all know that WhackAMole(tm) key censoring software > simply won't work. Its effectiveness depends on how quickly they whack the moles. I can imagine a one hour window between link publication and whacking. > The other is that at least under the DMCA (and probably any > similar laws around the world) the CoS would have to ask the node > operator to remove the keys from his node before taking him to > court. Due to the rate at which Freenet caches new data, the Church would argue, the DMCA's specific file removal provisions are inadequate. The judiciary is not a computer program ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] War on Internet Freedom (was: About Me!)
David McNab: > Interestingly, in the 90s, geekiness started to become quite hip Only on Slashdot. Next time you're at the supermarket, take a look at the fashion magazines by the checkout. See Linus Torvalds? See Richard Stallman? See Eric Raymond? Now I'll admit that power, wealth, and intelligence have always been hip. Geekiness has nothing to do with those qualities. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] About Me!
Kevin Atkinson: > What does the Internet really mean? It means uncensored instant > access to any sort of information. The Internet means no such thing. The notion that the development of technology will thwart censorship is nothing more than a historical prophecy, and its proponents employ it to avoid moral debate. > Hardly anyone sees that in with the existence of the Internet it > is going to imposable to control the flow of information, period. > The only way to stop this flow of information is to ban people all > together from the Internet. Any sort of censorship and copy > protection is going to be defeated, plain and simple. Technology is not a gift from space aliens who occasionally drop new gadgets from their UFOs and watch us modify our society to conform to a new technological mold. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Does Content on Demand have a Future?
Kevin Atkinson: > With the reality that copy protection is going to fail and the fact that > once everyone gets high speed internet connections entire movies will we > able to be swapped much like music is now Why? > if people can get the show they want when they want with little to > no cost then why will the average joe bother hunting down the > video on file sharing services? That depends on their relative ease of use. > As I side note does anyone here believe that the Recording > Industry does *not* deserve to die. Copyright is immoral. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] terrorism and Freenet
Timm Murray: > Digital Rights Management. In theory, it stops "pirates" from illicitly > copied software. In practice, it is likely to stop you from using software > that was legaly copied (like mp3s you ripped from a CD you already own, or > Free Software like GNU/Linux). Your "my right to [do some relatively unusual thing] is being trampled by legislation that is necessary to enforce copyright" argument is stupid, and you know it. Here's my complaint: "it's inconvenient to submit all my newspaper articles to the censors before publication." What should I really be complaining about? ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
g'o'tz ohnesorge: > How can you earn a doctorate with sexual favours, and be a > pedophile at the same time? The depravity of communism knows no limits. For every morally reprehensible thing we know about those godless communists, we're ignorant of a dozen. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
Travis Bemann: > And did you forget all the stuff he did with linguistics... Talk > about ad hominem - those two words adequately describe at least this > whole paragraph of yours. You insolent pinko. How dare you libel me with your baseless communist accusations of intellectual dishonesty. > LOL. Anyways, I meant "optimum" as in optimum from the position of a > politician, not as in being good in any respect. The natural state of > government, of the state, is essentially fascism, and you should have > noticed this if you paid any real attention to history. And you > didn't noticed that I said what I did as a criticism of government, > not as supporting it... I'm glad to hear that at least one communist has stopped spouting that tired old workers' utopia line and admitted just what sort of world he's fighting for - a world of evil and fascism and suffering. > LOL. You can't tell the difference between an anarchist and a > Bolshevik or Stalinist, it seems... Despite history showing that > they're quite different in not just theory but practice. They are all communists. They are all alike. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
Glenn McGrath: > Dmitry Skylarov Comrade Skylarov is a known communist and former KGB officer. > Your government murders its prisoners (capital punishment), your > government dictates to the world via your foreign policy, how is the US > government not murdering totalirians ? Are you jealous that here in America we have the resolve to take a firm stand against criminals, Nazis, and Communists? That our brave police officers risk their lives every day, apprehending rapists, murderers, and pirates? That wherever there is conflict and injustice and strife, you can find American soldiers selflessly fighting to better this world? Do these things make you feel inferior? They should. > Did your govenment not declare way on afghanistan. Please, take 30 seconds to proofread your posts. The discipline required may perhaps be too great for a communist - if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again. Thanks. Anyway, yes, our great military took a stand against the theocratic, terrorist Taliban, and drove those turbaned tyrants out. Our noble relief agencies worked tirelessly in that hostile and war-torn land to feed the starving masses. And now our experienced diplomats are carefully crafting a free and prosperous state upon the wreckage of oppression and misery. You, being a communist, certainly oppose such actions, but you sure didn't have to tell me that. > Over 1 million IRAQI children died becasue of lack of food and medical > equipment, does 1 million count as mass famine? Yes, it certainly does. That monster Saddam is allowed to starve those kids because communists like you take to the streets in violent protests whenever anyone tries to fix a problem like this. There are all sorts of disturbing things about communists, but by far the most disturbing is their boundless sadism. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
Ian Clarke: > I took the accusation from a representative of the Church of > Scientology that *I* was a pedophile as quite a compliment in this > light Oh, I agree entirely, those half-wit commies inevitably resort to such petty childish name-calling. They also seem quite fond of brainwashing and mass murder, two things Commie Chomsky just loves. > when one side or the other resort to insults it suggests that > childishness is the best argument they have to offer. Those leftists sure are stupid, aren't they. > Actually, until recently the CIA was Osama's biggest supporter, > and didn't you notice? The USSR is no-more. The State Department is obviously suffering from communist infiltration. If Real Americans were running the show, we'd have annexed Afghanistan and reigned in those mujahedeen before they made any trouble. Only a communist like Chomsky would neglect Afghanistan and thus unleash terrorism upon the greatest country in the world, the USA, while giggling and smirking as the Afghan people starve under Taliban rule. But, you know, communists love that. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] The Coming Storm
Travis Bemann: > government is amoral and has no ethics Why, then, does our government punish criminals and not innocent people? Why does it fight murderous totalitarian communism, and not wage war on democracy and our free market? Despite whatever paranoid, drug-induced ramblings the admitted communist and pedophile (he "earned" his doctorate with sexual favors) Noam Chomsky exudes from the ivory tower, the simple and obvious fact is that our government rocks. > the optimum state of government is eternal war externally and > totalitarianism internally I know you leftists are pining for eternal war and totalitarianism, it's not a big secret - you support Soviet imperialism and Osama Bin Laden, remember? (In fact, your raving pinko leader Chomsky recently traveled to Pakistan to incite anti-American hatred and support for the totalitarian Taliban theocracy.) > this is concealed by the propaganda organs of capitalism Yes, that's right, surely anyone who does not support mass murder and famine and communism has been duped by the capitalist propaganda organs. I must agree it's quite effective. > non-ruling class life is purely expendable - any views that appear > otherwise are really just propaganda So you've said, you smug communist butcher. > The law means fucking nothing. Period. Of course communists such as yourself have no respect for the law. Take your Marxist legal theory and your Gulag and move to North Korea where they'll be appreciated. Please, go. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] deep philosophical question
g'o'tz ohnesorge: > Josh wrote: > > > Is spam free speech? > > No, it's trespassing and computer sabotage. In fact, spamming is best viewed as a sort of contemporary Nazism. Really. ___ Chat mailing list Chat at freenetproject.org http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
Timm Murray: Large datastores tend to centralize the network. Datastores don't fill up as quickly and your node caches more data and less data falls out. On the surface, this seems like an advantage; indeed, for a node operator's short term gain, it is an advantage. However, over the long term it tends to hurt routing. Nodes won't be requesting as much data from other nodes, and thus won't discover new nodes through requests. I haven't seen _any_ compelling argument why above-average nodes should attract more than their fair share of requests. What's yours? I've heard the whispered rumors about simulations suggesting that Freenet will deny some nodes traffic while overloading others, and I think the problem, if there actually is one, can easily be fixed by varying the datasource-reset frequency inversely with request load. Anyway, I'm not too impressed with arguments that nodes won't see enough requests. Freenet routing is grossly inefficient. Nodes are going to be _falling_over_ with requests when it's actually used. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
Timm Murray: Over time, the large node simply accumulates more data from Freenet. This means there should be more nodes which point to data on the large node. Thus, there will be more requests routed to the large node. Uhh... so? The node's big; it can handle lots of requests. That's not a problem. What's a problem is if Freenet says: Hey, your node is 10% better than usual, so let's send every request to it! I don't see why this would happen. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
Mark J Roberts: Timm Murray: Over time, the large node simply accumulates more data from Freenet. This means there should be more nodes which point to data on the large node. Thus, there will be more requests routed to the large node. Uhh... so? The node's big; it can handle lots of requests. That's not a problem. What's a problem is if Freenet says: Hey, your node is 10% better than usual, so let's send every request to it! I don't see why this would happen. Looks like I totally, embarassingly missed your point the first time around... I'll try this again. :} You're right: it's true that the bigger your store, the more requests your node will receive. And overloaded nodes are bad because they make the network unreliable. So our objective is obviously to prevent overload. Well, I really detest artificially constricting the store size in order to regulate request load. But I _do_ understand your point now: larger stores demand more bandwidth. Low-bandwidth nodes need some way to avoid overload, and constricting the size of the store is one way to do it. The _wrong_ way to do it What's creepy about this are the various heuristics proposed to accomplish it: don't make a large store!, if you have Y bandwidth, use a X megabyte store!, etc. It's impossible to find an acceptable one. Which means that nodes will have to detect overload and adjust themselves. Which also means that we can stop promoting this dangerous small-store idea - the recommended size of the store should be based on the memory required to index its contents. One solution might be to, when overloaded, set the datasource not to yourself but to where you would've routed the request if you didn't have the data. You'd really actually use a probability scaled by the current throughput. Needs more processing. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
Greg Wooledge: Timm Murray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sorry Mark, but the one computer, one node rule is something I picked up from Oskar (I think), and I decided I agreed with him (and not just because he's Oskar). Does Freenet routing _really_ seem all that attractive to you for the average LAN? WHY?? Freenet works better with lots of smaller nodes to spread the data out then to have a few really big nodes. If, by works better, you mean resists attack through decentralization, or prevents overload by mirroring data. But, uhh..., who's attacking individual nodes on a fucking LAN? Is your LAN _really_ big enough to suffer from slashdot effects... and if so, how does adding MULTIPLE HOPS to each request help your suffering network? It seems quite likely that in the near future, Freenet is going to be (more commonly) used as a transport mechanism for Very Large Files (~650 MB). If the local node's data store is less than the size of the file you're trying to retrieve, I doubt that the results are going to be pleasant. I don't believe in caching locally inserted or requested data. Say you have a 1G store, and you download a 650M movie. It's cached. Congratulations, you just _wiped_out_ half the useful data in your store! Hope you don't download another one Yes, I realize that this invites evil nodes to attempt to verify that we've actually cached the data by checking how quickly their request to us for it is fulfilled. However, caching many parts of the same splitfile is almost as bad, and splitfiles aren't going away. So I think the argument against caching wins, for now. It's an unpleasant decision. And storing partial data for later completion is the client's job. I can't see any reason why you'd want a data store less than 1 GB, unless your hard drive is simply so small that you can't have a node that big. (In which case you won't be downloading ISO images, so you won't face these issues in the first place.) Indeed. Each node should use all the disk space and bandwidth it can. And those heretics who'd like to force-homogenize Freenet should be force-homogenized in a large industrial blender. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
Timm Murray: Yes, in fact if you hang around long enough, you will find a lot of people suggesting using Freenet to overcome the Slashdot Effect. Freenet is still slower then HTTP in the sense that it will use more bandwidth. An HTTP server under normal bandwidth load will allways be faster then Freenet, but Freenet is infinatly faster then not being able to get the document at all. Splitfiles make Freenet faster than any webserver - the bandwidth attainable should be limited by the size of the network and average node throughput. Would it be possible to add FreeNet into something like Squid so that any web browser inside a LAN that is already set to use our Squid proxy server would be able to request FreeNet objects without needing to run nodes on every machine or to configure each machine to use a special FreeNet proxy? It'd seem to me that'd be a major issue on making it available inside firewalls and such. Assuming that is even a desired goal for FreeNet. Yes. Every computer should be running a Freenet node anyway. There are ways to make Freenet work behind firewalls, though it's a bit tricky last I heard. Something like a Squid proxy server for Freenet is actualy redundant. That's ridiculous. Run _one_ node per LAN. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
Michael: Would/is it be possible to serve files in place? Rather than packing them into cache files? Something more Napster/Gnutella like just because it seems painful to have to have two copies of the same files on my hdd. Why do you think Freenet would ever ask your node for that data? ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Slashdot needs Freenet category with Hops
David McNab: Freenet encrypts the datastore and consolidates it into one or more large files for very good reasons: I don't see many good reasons at all. (Does anyone else?) 1) No one can determine exactly what's on your disk, not even you. Not unless you request a given key at htl 0 while your node is disconnected. Which is trivial. 2) There is no way you can eliminate any file from the datastore without destroying the whole store. That keeps freenet uncensorable, and eliminates the ability to monitor content (such ability is necessary for a node operator to be answerable to the DMCA). Wrong. Deleting a file from the store is easy. 3) You cannot be held responsible for the contents of your datastore, because it can't be proved that you requested or inserted such materials. Legally, you should be able to fall into the category of a 'caching online service provider'. Here, freenet provides a level of 'plausible deniability'. But this is also true for the transparent store that he suggested. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: Re: [freenet-devl] if ((WTC != exist) idiotRunsCountry) encryption = 0;
Ian Clarke:
I would advocate that people start to email each other with random data,
just for the hell of it.
Allow me to begin, these are hex numbers generated by radioactive
decay... of course, if they were encrypted plans for the destruction of
the world - nobody would know... :
LXXII CI CXIV CI XXXII XCVII CXIV CI XXXII XCVII XXXII XCIX CXI CXVII
CXII CVIII CI XXXII XCVII C CXVIII XCVII CX XCIX CI C XXXII CXV CXVI
CI CIII XCVII CX CXI CIII CXIV XCVII CXII CIV CV XCIX XXXII CXII CXIV
CXI CIII CXIV XCVII CIX CXV XXXII CXVI CXI XXXII CIV CI CVIII CXII XLVI
XXXII LXXXIV CIV CI CXXI X CIV XCVII CXVIII CI CX XXXIX CXVI XXXII XCVIII
CI CI CX XXXII XCIX CXIV XCVII XCIX CVII CI C XXXII CXXI CI CXVI XLIV
XXXII CXV CXI XXXII CXVI CIV CI CXXI XXXII CIX CXVII CXV CXVI XXXII XCVIII
CI XXXII CIII CXI CXI C XLVI X
gcc -Wall -O2 -DROMANIZE -o romanize romanize.c
gcc -Wall -O2 -o deromanize romanize.c
echo Hello, Mr. Bin Laden. | ./romanize | ./deromanize
#include stdlib.h
#include string.h
#include stdio.h
struct {
char symbol;
int size;
} units[] = {
{'M', 1000},
{'D', 500},
{'C', 100},
{'L', 50},
{'X', 10},
{'V',5},
{'I',1},
{}
};
#ifdef ROMANIZE
static void romanize(unsigned int n, char *s)
{
int i;
char *p = s;
for (i = 0; units[i].symbol; i++) {
int j, x = n / units[i].size;
memset(p, units[i].symbol, x);
p += x;
n -= x * units[i].size;
j = i + 1;
if (units[j].symbol (units[j].size == 500
|| units[j].size == 50 || units[j].size == 5))
j++;
if (units[j].symbol n = units[i].size - units[j].size
units[j].size * 10 = units[i].size) {
*p++ = units[j].symbol;
*p++ = units[i].symbol;
n -= units[i].size - units[j].size;
}
}
*p = 0;
}
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int c, n = 0;
char b[1024];
while ((c = getchar()) != EOF) {
char t;
romanize(c, b);
if ((n += strlen(b) + 1) 68)
t = '\n', n = 0;
else t = ' ';
fputs(b, stdout), putchar(t);
}
return 0;
}
#else
static inline int num_size(char c)
{
int i;
for (i = 0; units[i].symbol; i++)
if (units[i].symbol == c)
return units[i].size;
return -1;
}
static int deromanize(char *s)
{
int ret = 0, i, l = strlen(s);
for (i = 0; i l; i++) {
int tmp, n = num_size(s[i]);
if (n 0)
return -1;
if (i+1 l (tmp = num_size(s[i+1])) n)
ret += tmp - n, i++;
else
ret += n;
}
return ret;
}
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int c, i = 0;
char b[32];
while ((c = getchar()) != EOF) {
b[i++] = c;
if (i == sizeof(b))
goto err;
if (c == ' ' || c == '\n' || c == '\t') {
int n;
b[i-1] = 0;
n = deromanize(b);
if (n 0)
goto err;
putchar(n);
i = 0;
}
}
return 0;
err:b[sizeof(b)-1] = 0;
fprintf(stderr, Invalid roman numeral: %s\n, b);
return 1;
}
#endif
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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-tech] anonymity questions
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 08:46:22AM -0500, Timm Murray wrote: Police are absolutely not to entrap people (like hiding a bag of crack on someone just before you search them). This is not a grey area at all; if a judge found out about it at all, she would not only throw out the case, but probably get those responsible fired right away (assuming this judge wasn't bought off). Hiding a bag of crack in your coat and arresting you isn't entrapment; it's fraud. Entrapment is when you are induced or persuaded by the police to commit a crime you would not otherwise commit. Entrapment is a grey area, too. Say you're in a bar talking about how great it would be to have some pot to smoke. A government agent offers to sell some to you. Is that entrapment? Will a node operator be arrested because the police downloaded illegal data from his node? Will they then collectively arrest Usenet? How about the owner of every public Xerox machine? Is Freenet illegal because it's a little more anonymous than Usenet and Xerox machines? (Imagine if all Xerox machines required user authentication and sent copies to the government and then the FreeXerox project came along and started installing anonymous Xerox machines in dark alleys and under bridges! And a team of volunteers crept through the city every night to service them with donated paper, ink, and parts! Would this not be denounced as dangerous and irresponsible aid to criminal copiers?) Freenet has much to fear from fickle ISPs and threatening DMCA letters. Our collective plug will be yanked after a few decent ISPs become the property of the RIAA. Entrapment? Why bother! -- Fee-Faw-Fummers of the inimitable Grip ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Throttling Fred
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 09:45:44AM +1200, David McNab wrote: Are there any esoteric tricks or settings to make sure bandwidth settings are actually adhered to? I recommend my ten session course in Reinstalling, an exceptionally powerful spiritual technique for bringing to the surface long-repressed memories of your installation. Break free from the demented tentacles of orthodox programming! Away with you, debugger! So long, compiler! We shall mock, jeer, and ridicule all those who maintain that bugs are the work of bad programmers and incompetent users. They are demons of installation gone wrong! And we're here to save you, for a modest fee. -- Dukes-Guardian of the Mystic Cess-Pool ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Finding a key on your node
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 05:58:15PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: Chad Phillips ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: One what if I was thinking about is lets say the RIAA compiles a list of keys of copyrighted works and then randomly picks node operators and tries to legally force them to check for these keys. (1) Where's their search warrant? The RIAA isn't the police, so it doesn't need a search warrant. If it's legal for me to browse through the RIAA's web site, it's legal for the RIAA to browse through my Freenet node. However, content requested through my node was not necessarily there to begin with, so insisting that it be removed is a ridiculous act, and should be interpreted as an attack on the network and not an attack on the infringing data. -- Fee-Faw-Fummers of the inimitable Grip ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Reasonable use Issues.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 07:31:24PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: Mark J. Roberts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The goal of Freenet is anonymous publishing and reading. What use do law-abiding people have for anonymity? Not much. Not much compared to the many uses thought-criminals have for anonymity. This answer is not sufficient. Consider: * Employees who endure inhumane or even illegal practices in their workplace might be afraid to speak out because they cannot face the economic consequences of termination. * Victims of incest, sexual assault or physical abuse may be afraid to speak out because they are embarrassed or ashamed. * Citizens who suffer human rights violations at the hands of their government may be unable to speak out without facing torture or death. Anonymity can enable these people to be heard. A, hyperbole is the official language of freenet-chat, haven't you heard? ;) Maybe it changed when I wasn't looking... You're right, there are significant uses for anonymity that don't fall under the category of government-prohibited speech. There is absolutely no need to be careful because the code speaks for itself. Freenet is a network designed to help criminals evade the police. Of the three examples I gave above, only the last one casts the user of Freenet in the role of the criminal. But I doubt anyone reading this would say that the Freenet user should be forced to divulge her identity in that case. /me turns off his freenet-chat flamethrower. I'm no lawyer, so I shouldn't babble about how to handle lawsuits. I'll confine myself to observing that the Freenet philosophy to guarantee consenting individuals the free, unmediated and unimpeded reception and impartation of all intellectual, scientific, literary, social, artistic, creative, human rights, and cultural expressions, opinions and ideas without interference or limitation by or service to state, private, or special interests is very clear, and any claim that we were really very fond of copyright law would be incredible. Again, I agree, if we omitted the state from that passage, it would still be plausible. And then we should take reasonable steps to allow the government to censor, since we obviously don't mind. -- Laws which can be broken without any wrong to one's neighbor are counted but a laughing-stock; and so far from such laws restraining the appetites and lusts of mankind, they rather heighten them. --Spinoza PGP signature
Re: [freenet-chat] OK - fess up
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 12:52:02AM -0400, Mark J. Roberts wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 05:40:56PM +1200, David McNab wrote: Alright alright, Who planted the *$%@ spider-repellant in Freenet? Namely, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] file, configured to exclude everything? It's coded into FProxy. I put it there because people were having problems with spiders overloading their nodes. Now fproxy will 404 robots.txt when localhost requests it. Other hosts are still denied. Committed to trunk, test if you like. -- Is our system--was it invented by scientists? No. If scientists had invented it, they'd have tried it out first on hamsters. Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Only criminals need anonymity, silly.
| 7.2 Is publishing to Mojo Nation absolutely anonymous? | | No. The Mojo Nation technology is not designed for pirating stuff. It is | designed to be an efficient and scalable demand-driven content | distribution system. | | http://www.mojonation.net/docs/faq.shtml#7.2 Only criminals need anonymity. -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Anarcast!
On Tue, 29 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote: Is anyone interested in testing this? It's not as magical as Freenet, which means it stands a good chance of actually working. I will test it, but I would like it better if such a thing were implemented in freenet. You mean the splitfile part? We're doing that in 0.4. -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] One Doubt
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Francisco M. Marzoa Alonso wrote: Joining the network is simply a matter of first discovering the address of one or more existing nodes through out-of-band means, then starting to send messages. [...] Surely the problem is that I've no idea what 'out-of-band means' means, but I've not been able to understand how a new node finds another one to join the network. 'Out-of-band' just means you have to find the address of a trusted node somewhere other than Freenet. It's stating the obvious. Once you have that node's address, however, you can use the 0.4 node announcement protocol to request a list of nodes to start out with, and to let them know that you exist and can recieve requests. During normal operation, Freenet nodes learn about other nodes, too. -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Mikus 29 wrote: Obviously. Property requires a government to enforce it (anything less is barbarism). But who said he was an anarchocapitalist? How so? It's not quite so obvious to me. My idea of the concept of property is that most people on this planet find it worthwhile to label things as his, hers, theirs, ours, mine, public, private, or whatever other forms of ownership you can define. No government is necessary to establish the idea or defend the concept of private property. So my community decides that property is a good idea. Soon, a couple people disagree about something. How do they resolve their dispute? They can't--so they get angry and kill each other. Or maybe one side gives in and accepts the loss in exchange for his life. Now, I'm not stupid--I don't want to end up like them! So before I make any deals, my partner and I pick a trustworthy, fair, level-headed guy and make another deal. In the event of a dispute, he agrees to resolve it according to an agreed-upon procedure that we like. For example, we might agree to argue our cases in public before him, or that a group of ordinary people would be asked to consider our case and make a decision. We might specify previous rulings upon which to base new ones. We also agree to allow him to enforce his decision. After all, if this guy doesn't hold up his end of the bargain, I want my money back! In short, we would create a new government, because trading without one is too risky. All it takes to be able to enforce it is a number of like-minded individuals to agree that the property in question belongs to this or that certain person or business entity. That group of people is NOT a loose form of government, but the local peers. Societal norms, and conventions won't disappear if government were to suddendly go away(like that's the biggest pipe dream of all), but they would certainly be refined, and adjusted for each locale. Which brings me to my next point: criminal law. Norms and conventions mean nothing if they are not enforced. We don't think murder is right--but what good does that do when there's a murderer terrorizing the community! What (better) alternative is there to demanding that all people in zone A abide by our rules X, Y, and Z--and alleged violations of the rules must be handled according to procedures M and N? Even in the days before foreigners set foot on American soil, the Indians(yes, I know they may not have been the first ones here) had no need for the concept of property, as it seemed ludicrous to them to think one could own the very land that sustained their lives, BUT they did defend their local hunting grounds, grazing lands, territory, etc... and the other indian tribes in the area usually respected those boundaries, and they even engaged in trade, and no such concept of government had even occured to them at that point. Sure each tribe probably had its own rules, and elders for guidance, and some probably even were oppressed by the elders of the tribe, but that's a part of human nature we're still trying to overcome. No, that was the way they governed themselves. Tribal aristocracies are as much a government as their European counterparts. I wouldn't want to live under either. It's thinking like that above that keeps the human race stagnant in the middle ages. We may have computers and cars, and all sorts of fancy Like what above? technology, but that, to me, is no indicator of advancement of the species. We're not far removed from a sharpened stone tied to a stick today. Maybe That's not true. A modern, pluralist democracy offers its citizens incomparably more freedom than any other form of government so far tried. some day, we'll have no need for money, or capitalist systems, and maybe we'll move past a need for a controlling authority to keep those with too much monkey DNA, from harming those advancing past their evolutionary ancestors, but right now, it seems that most people today are addicted to the idea that government is necessary, and money is the solution, and not the cause of their problems. I don't think that money or capitalism is the problem here. I think it's the tendency for people to seek out power, and the tendency of those without to think they can do nothing about what their oppressors are doing to them, that makes some people hate the idea of capitalism. The concept is not the problem, it's the way people think it's supposed to work, and when it doesn't seem to be working to the ideal, let's abandon the whole idea, instead of addressing the reasons why it isn't working. I'm not going to address the multi-faceted, nested reasoning I have come up with, I'm just trying to show that it's not the property that is guilty of the crime, it's the mind of the person who used the property to commit the crime, who is to blame. Capitalism is not bad, it's just not being put to it's highest and best use at the
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote: To argue in favor of what you feel is right is good. But to enforce what you feel is right upon others through violence is not. And WHERE did I say that I'd use violence to force no currency on everyone else? Um, what we need to do is to destroy the entire capitalist system, and so on. How can you maintain equality? The question remains. By eliminating (no, I am not implying violence, except defensive and counteroffensive violence (only to the fight the forces of reaction if they use force)) all hierarchy and exploitation. Hierarchy and So you disapprove of protesters who break the windows of stores owned by big international corporations? exploitation result in some people having more overall power (beyond sheer physical and mental capabilities) over other people, and help concentrate wealth in the hands of a few either directly (exploitation) or indirectly (hierarchy). This doesn't address my question. Without a system of currency, how can I, a carpenter, know if my doing free work for customer X would give him more than his fair share? -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Travis Bemann wrote: Anarchism (not that anarchocapitalism shit, which really isn't anarchism) is socialist, [...] Obviously. Property requires a government to enforce it (anything less is barbarism). But who said he was an anarchocapitalist? -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
On 6 May 2001, Mr.Bad wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now, and can be installed using this command: apt-get install freenet Which, like, how can that get easier? My Pure Concept Linux system is way easier. I simply *think* about having an anonymous, uncensorable network andhey, I just liberated all the purely conceptual people from their purely conceptual oppressive governments! -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [Fairshare] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Michael Albert wrote: Consider the aim to move various industries in which digitized information is the central product to more sane, rational, humane, and just methods of operation based on freenet-ish distribution schemes. My knowledge of his that option, promptly arise, it, any type of freenet is thinking in practice even a waffle bat with existing firms mired in the distribution of distribution norm, a big questions that in the elite money a community that because of work, in this doesn't take that revenues parecon are largely due the latter principles and sacrifice, no profits, and taking a new technologies, that benefits listeners: whatever is in fact, however, this technology throws in which in the a ballplayer earn, should we need to contribution to all this, doesn't take that arise and consumers, no one might reply, people doing to get to disperse the Freenet producers and works, and inducements, as for the premiums to product plays a charge for luck in the premiums to written extensively about remuneration according to parents were you will argue that lets him with brains also has, notice, not only for effort someone who is susceptible to hobbyist pursuits. Consider the norm, a big noble prize winning right wing economist and continually practice, that the free hours they work that we are doing work and writers and five seconds later for the economy, in the product. Have the question: making, and many such: a community of certain new technologies, that artist's product notice, not product which will. The benefits listeners. The overall community. Britney Spears, or enjoyment or other possibility. How much should a second level of digitized information industries are quite aware, from selling the genetic lottery either; could be there are largely due the answer I would likely according to work to actuality, blasts copyright law and No profits, doubt you don't remunerate participants; according to reward; property to conform to also move as possible: and writers and sacrifice, and one can choose to start; per se, but not in this. Okay for the thing is said, are quite aware, from potential to compete with brains also set your case to compete with a just methods of course as the premiums to get to, take that option, and many of their effort and maybe for those in essence a being very the consumption of musicians, and neither taking a custodian? It is to all but that they it, freenet as well. And succeed in the incomes of listeners whatever is the noble prize winning right wing economist and on grounds freenet as well that arise it is, not all, in the form of course. -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Quick C Question
On Fri, 4 May 2001, David McNab wrote: But is there an equivalent function which converts a *GMT* time in (struct tm) format into seconds since the epoch GMT? No. You can use the global timezone var to correct th.tm_hour (the strange results will be normalized by mktime; run localtime() to set timezone). libfreenet includes an old-style dbr implementation. But you're wasting your time writing for the old standard. -- ...you have mistaken your cowardice for common sense and have found comfort in that, deceiving yourselves. Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: Child Porn (was: Re: [freenet-chat] Thoughts about Freenet)
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Travis Bemann wrote: Travis, I think it would be great if Congress cut President Bush's throat. Am I implicitly supporting Congress? Am I implying that the U.S. is free? Would you denounce a fellow anarchist as a "liberal capitalist" for making that statement? You're "anarcho"capitalist, not anarchist, for you do not reject the capitalist notion of property (and replace it with possession/use rights). If you did reject the capitalist notion of property, you'd probably be categorized as an individualist anarchist. I wasn't referring to myself. You are not explicitly supporting Congress, but you do somewhat imply that you like Congress better than President Bush. However, you don't imply that the U.S. is free by saying that. I would like Saddam Hussein to kill Dianne Feinstein. Do I like Saddam more than Dianne? One of the main things about the corporate media is that they often do not completely hide something, but instead distort and downplay it. This is a dubious allegation (anyone could forward it). While the first approach seems to have been favored at and after the "Battle of Seattle" and throughout year 2000, the second two approaches seem to be now favored. Because the protests at the American presidential inauguration could not be ignored, they were downplayed to appear to be a whole bunch of passive sign-waving (the fact that protesters had forced security forces to retreat and then smashed their way through the security perimeter was almost completely ignored). On the other hand, it seems like the corporate media is all but completely ignoring the massive mobilization in Quebec City to crush the Summit of the Americas and the Free Trade Area in the Americas. So CNN is not the corporate media? Their coverage of the protests recognized both the violent aspects and the sign-waving/freedom-of-association aspects. the inclusion of Cuba if Cuba becomes capitalist). Of course, one thing that they do not at all tell you about the FTAA is that it will include the privatization of all services currently carried out by governments and the elimination of all trade barriers, including all labor and environmental protections, and the elimination of the last vestiges of labor power. The FTAA is the capitalist Death Star; it is of the last steps toward total unrestricted global capitalism. The corporate media is helping this sneak up on everyone; when most people realize what is happening it will probably be too late. Of course, the only thing that can save us now is social revolution (which is quite unlikely at the present). So anarchists in general oppose the abolition of government control before free trade is abolished? Why? One thing that really didn't get reported is that the first reports of "genocide" which sparked NATO intervention in Kosovo were probably actually fake. A whole bunch of bones were found in the ground, as Are you saying there was actually no genocide, or that it started after NATO intervened? this was used to say that genocide has occurred, which was used as a convenient excuse to justify NATO intervention. In addition, NATO intervention in Kosovo really wasn't about protecting Kosovars from retaliatory attacks by the Serbs, but rather about increasing western capitalist control of the rich mineral deposits in Kosovo (this is something that the corporate media didn't even slightly mention). Were the Serbian people better off under Milosevic's regime? Was NATO in the wrong? I hate all three of these groups, and I would avoid having anything to do with any of them. If I was forced to choose one of these three, with no option for not choosing any of them, I would probably have to choose the Democrats because they are a *bit* less reactionary than the other two. Even still, that would be a hard choice (the Dems are at least partially responsible for stuff like the DMCA (something than only a reactionary could love) and the FTAA (this *was initiated* by Clinton - and is essentially for the purpose of "all power to the capitalists")). Thus, capitalism is so undesirable that you support a regime that you hate in order to prevent it. These capitalists must really be evil. In what ways do the Democrats fight off the capitalists? Have they been effective? (I still see Walmart and McDonalds thriving under the democratic regime!) -- "...you have mistaken your cowardice for common sense and have found comfort in that, deceiving yourselves." Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Travis Bemann wrote: You can portray protesters as both violent people randomly destroying stuff and passive sign-wavers and still bias things in favor of the capitalists. I bet they biased things by saying stuff like "the protesters *believe* that free trade is bad". That is a often used tactic which subtly but signficantly downplays opposition to things like the FTAA. Yes, they said things like "the protesters are anti-free-trade." How is such a statement biased? Marxists in general oppose the abolition of government control before free trade (and capitalism in general) is abolished. Anarchists just view authority and exploitation and intrinsically linked and that you can't just fight authority and that you can't just fight exploitation. They must be both fought and defeated together, not separately. Anarchists oppose corporate globalization because corporate globalization is the path towards total unrestricted global capitalism; total domination and total exploitation. The elimination of trade barriers is freedom for only the corporations; it strengthens corporations' domination and corporations' exploitation. And allowing government to regulate capitalism increases government domination and exploitation. If you first destroy government, capitalists will grow too strong. If you first destroy capitalism, governments will grow too strong. Looks like you're fucked! It is likely that the initial reports of genocide were false. If I am correct, Serbs did attack Kosovars in various places in Kosovo after the beginning of the NATO intervention. The genocide either happened or it didn't happen. Which one? What happened is a transition from a supposedly socialist autocrat to a capitalist elected president. Not much has really changed except that now the US and NATO supports the Serbs instead of opposing the Serbs. Will the quality of life in Serbia improve? In what ways do the Democrats fight off the capitalists? Have they been effective? (I still see Walmart and McDonalds thriving under the democratic regime!) The Democrats are capitalists (didn't I say that they are liberal capitalists)! But, under a Libertarian government, you must think that the capitalists would gain more power than the government would lose. What evidence to you have in favor of this view? -- "...you have mistaken your cowardice for common sense and have found comfort in that, deceiving yourselves." Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
