RE: Rumor Alert - Lab Changes - WAS: Flame bait.

[Chuck Larrieu]

The Security Blueprint is explicit in the following topics ( and many
more ):

1) security protocols such as RADIUS, TACACS+, Kerberos, IPSec, and a bunch
more

2) operating systems, i.e. Unix and NT

3) security technologies, including PKI and VPN

4) Cisco Security applications,  including Cisco Secure Unix, Cisco Secure
NT, Cisco secure policy manager, Cisco secure intrusion detection, and Cisco
secure VPN bundle

All these things together are what lead me to speculate that the Security
Lab will include work on servers for the various Cisco Secure products, and
on PC's for the client side of VPN. Which makes perfect sense, because
security is far more than configuring access lists on routers and policies
on firewalls.

Chuck

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Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>
>
> Rumor #3 - The CCIE Security will involve configuring Cisco security
> products on both Unix and NT boxes and doing VPN tunnels end to end,
meaning
> for the first time a candidate would be responsible for end user equipment
> in the lab.

What do you mean when you say "end user equipment"?  If what you
say is true, it makes perfect sense to me, and seems reasonable.
The CCIE Security isn't (shouldn't be?) about routers and friends,
per se, but more about the Cisco Secure product line, which includes
some software products.  ACS is an application, not an appliance
but it is an important part of the offering.  Configuring a
NetRanger is more about the Director software than it is about
the sensor, for sure.  Then we have the PIX and the VPN stuff, which
I would expect to be more hands on hardware type events, but nowhere
in my expectation do I see what could be considered "end user" stuff.

Can you clarify what you meant?

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Marc Russel's Practice Labs

[Darren Ward]

Hi All,
A lot of discussion is made about Marc Russel's Lab Scenarios and I
have one simple question before buying them.
How similar (without breaking NDA) are the Lab scenarios to the real
format of the CCIE Lab?
You'll notice I didn't ask if these Lab Questions are the same just
about the format.
While I'm getting reasonably confident in my ability to have a good
go at the Lab IOS and CatOS wise,  I'd like to familiarise myself
in the way they present the Lab or ask questions (rather than the questions
themselves).
All I know so far, is the technologies, hardware and rough overview
of the format of the two days but nothing about how the questions are presented.
Look forward to some responses.
Darren

Re: Scripts for IOS upgrades

[Justin Marcus]

a relativly simple way could be to use a program called
'autoexpect' its for *nix though :P (apologies if you said you were
running NT or something, didnt read original message thoroughly) 
what it pretty much does is log commands you type in, and make them into a
script. basicaly you can do those same commands next time by just running
the script, thus saving time :P 

Justin

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Re: Scripts for IOS upgrades

[Jeff Kell]

"A.Strobel" wrote:
> 
> For God's sake do not even think about using CWSI RME (Resource 
> Manager Essentials)to upgrade IOSs.

It sounds like you didn't have it setup properly.  If you have the most
recent version (Cisco Campus 2000 3.x), and have the devices properly
loaded in RME *with* the login creditials correctly set for
all fields (not just SNMP communities, but also passwords and TACACS
creditials if you are using them), it works amazingly well.

We have updated images on 150+ Cat29nnXL switches in under half an hour,
and uploaded configuration fragments (such as setting access lists on
telnet/SNMP) in half that time using CWSI.  

It can only work as well as the data you supply it.  While it does a
good job of autodiscovery and topology, you do at some point have to
supply telnet/TACACS information to let it directly manipulate the
images.

I love the product, although I did have some bad experiences before
getting everything "right" with RME.  Don't give up yet.

Jeff Kell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: 2500 bootproms

[Robert Borejszo]

Call CISCO, they give it away for shipping costs.

Robert

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> (10.x.x or above) that I could pickup for a min. price?
>
> regards,
>
> Steve Clevenger
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Re: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[Robert Borejszo]

Way to go Adrian Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together.

Robert

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> Gee...  must have been a really bad day huh?  Can't say I disagree with
> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people waiting
> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out
> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made without
any
> hope of succeeding.
>
> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens who
> have no idea what they're in for next.  If you ask me, having finished
your
> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to
come!
> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience, practice,
> study - and most important of all - TIME!  And if you contrast it to elite
> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta
> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding.
>
> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools such
> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a
lot
> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands a
> decent shot at it.  Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by just
> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say 20%
> of job over 2 years in some network admin position).  The CCIE written
> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some topics.
>
> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of
> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never be
> the sharpest engineer out there.  For those people who are starting out
and
> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line for
> you.  For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice, before
you
> embark for the CCIE.  I have a friend who started out more than two years
> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is
holding
> off the lab - he knows he's not ready.  And that's not to say he's not
> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in his
> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend
doing
> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab.
>
> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone.  Unfortunately the hype has
> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the race.
> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite
> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass the
> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it
(hehe!).
> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the CCIE can be a very in-depth
> fulfilling lifetime experience - Cisco technology is full of neat
surprises
> and tricks, and the world just needs more and more of us.
>
> Chuck, hang it there - it can be tough going, but someday soon.  Thought
for
> the future - all IT certifications should be lab based...  a one day CCNP
> lab exam, 1/2 day CCNA lab exam - and make the MCSE a 2-day lab, that will
> sure weed out the thousands of paper MSCEs!
>
> Regards,
> Adrian
>
> ""Chuck Larrieu"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 004201c050d7$031878a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:004201c050d7$031878a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
> >
> > YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
> >
> > R
> >
> > A
> >
> > N
> >
> > T
> >
> > A
> >
> > N
> >
> > D
> >
> > R
> >
> > A
> >
> > V
> >
> > E
> >
> >
> > OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a
> number
> > of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
> >
> > IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
> DESERVE
> > TO BECOME A F***ING CCIE???
> >
> > The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!
> >
> > It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER
> >
> > THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP
> >
> > Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
> pipelines,
> > for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard
to
> > achieve for a reason. GET IT??
> >
> > My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
> spending
> > all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the
same
> > time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
> >
> > RANT AND RAVE
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Hubert Pun
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
> > To: Cisco Study Group
> > Subject: Lab exam
> >
> > Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
> > for example, out of 100 points
> > how many points are BGP?
> > how many points are SNA or DLSw?
> > how many points are IP

Re: question : ethernet collision rule of thumb...

[Jeff Kell]

It depends on what type of collisions, and whether or not your device
can report the various cases (or finding out what they are called).

Collisions aren't that horrible.  They get requeued for transmission.
Deferred transmits occur when a packet is read to be transmitted but
  the media is 'busy'.
Excessive collisions are 8 or 16 successive collisions on the same 
  packet (depending on who is reporting them).
Deferred transmits can lead to input buffer shorage and consequently
   input drops.

The latter case is a more true metric of media congestion.

Jeff Kell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[Ronald James]

Chuck, although I tend to agree of what you said on your message, I don't
think you are in the position of criticizing anyone with any kind of
questions.  I do think some of these people sometimes do nothing but just
want to get benefits out of the list, but look! they won't get through the
CCIE path at the end of the day.  If you don't like to reply to these guys,
just shut up and do your own work!!

Again, I always think the purpose of the list is to share Cisco knowledge
around the world, I am sure there are people willing to share knowledge with
us.


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>
> WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
>
> YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
>
> R
>
> A
>
> N
>
> T
>
> A
>
> N
>
> D
>
> R
>
> A
>
> V
>
> E
>
>
> OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a
number
> of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
>
> IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
DESERVE
> TO BECOME A F***ING CCIE???
>
> The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!
>
> It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER
>
> THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP
>
> Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
pipelines,
> for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard to
> achieve for a reason. GET IT??
>
> My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
spending
> all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the same
> time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
>
> RANT AND RAVE
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Hubert Pun
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
> To: Cisco Study Group
> Subject: Lab exam
>
> Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
> for example, out of 100 points
> how many points are BGP?
> how many points are SNA or DLSw?
> how many points are IPX?
> how many points are OSPF? (is it still 20?)
> how many points are Catalyst?
> what equipment to expect? (according to the website below, there will
> only be 2500, 3600, 4000 and Cat 5k)
> how many points are ATM?
>
>
> I have taken a look into http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm and I am
> not sure how update the info is.
>
> Where else can I find the mark distribution for the lab?  (i know that
> the Cisco blue print does not really have the mark distribution)
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: Rumor Alert - Lab Changes - WAS: Flame bait.

[Francisco Muniz]

I found it here: http://www.ieng.com/networkers/nw00/pres/3304/3304.htm
It's pretty good!

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Re: Marc Russel's Practice Labs

[Francisco Muniz]

The CCIE power session
http://www.ieng.com/networkers/nw00/pres/3304/3304.htm has an example. I
haven't got ccbootcamp labs yet.

Francisco

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Re: Passed BCRAN.. need help for BCSN

[nevsaynev]

Halabi's BGP study guide and OSPF study guide is a must!

You can find them on CCO. It's white paper, u can search for them.

Good Luck.
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>
> thanks to all your wonderful posts,
> I passed my second exam on the road to CCNP, I need some links for BCSN
> resources due to the fact that I am waiting on my book from Cisco Press
that
> is currently out of stock...
>
> Please Advise,
>
> Kevin
>
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Free Book Subject expanded

[motor_5]

To CiscoStudy Group,
 
I think any help in whatever form is necessary 
whatever the content in networking or telecommunications, be it old or 
new.
I am certified in atm , and that may be a big deal 
to some.
But I will tell you from 17 YEARS of experience in 
the electronic engineering field that only experience, people willing to help 
you learn, and the ability of a "KIND-HEARTED" Individual may will get you 
through the tough times, anywhere,anytime, and under any circumstances!!!. I 
personnally would enjoy recieving the book in my e-mail. Also would like to send 
documentaion of my own to the group when needed. Any comments welcome. Any 
disagreements all I have to say is this-you are going to have to learn to share 
knowledge and work together as a team or professional individuals to stay in the 
networking field where-ever you go.  
 
Roy

Cisco Lab

[AABAN34]

  During the real lab, what day does Cisco come in and mess up your network 
up? what kind of things have Cisco done to your network at the lab? 

Brian 

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free cisco book

[ian gomeche]

whether this is the wrong list for cisco marketing plugs , it is not my
place to say but i would point out that mr armstrong's email took far less
time to scroll through than all the complaints or for that matter all the
mass of HTML i still have to endure when trying to read the digest

i have a copy of priscilla's book which i expect is awesome
but she has gone down a million points in my estimation for
making such a trivial complaint. after all the book mr armstrong was
plugging may actually be pretty useful. however i probably will never know
as when i went to sign up for it just now i got this when clicking on
'guest':

Error Messages




SYS-20: ERROR: Form 610 is NOT currently in production.





Please click on your browser's Back button to return to the previous screen
(and correct these problems if necessary).

---

er yes. any chance of sorting this out mr armstrong?

thanks

ian


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Re: Cisco Lab

[Austin]

http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm


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>   During the real lab, what day does Cisco come in and mess up your
network
> up? what kind of things have Cisco done to your network at the lab?
>
> Brian
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RE: Dampening or damping

[Peter Van Oene]

I'm not sure if there are regional variations.  I haven't seen much outside of the 
world of cisco that uses the term dampening.  I looked at Ripe, arin, merit etc.  All 
use damping.  I'm still sure this is Cisco's tremendous ability to drive de facto 
standards and terminology.  

For the record, my oxford has the same definitions.  I think those dictionary people 
plagiarize anyway.

Pete


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On 11/17/2000 at 11:27 PM Chuck Larrieu wrote:

>My Webster's Collegiate lists one meaning of "dampen" as  "to check or
>diminish the activity or vigor of". That same reference lists the word
>"damping" as having one meaning of  "to diminish the activity or intensity
>of  damping down the causes of inflation" and also "to check the vibration
>or oscillation of "
>
>Regional variations, depending upon the education of those who wrote the
>RFC, or flooded the term through the engineering world?
>
>Did we ever determine if the term "split horizon" truly did have a nautical
>influence?
>
>Chuck
>
>-Original Message-
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>Peter Van Oene
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>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Dampening or damping
>
>Off topic, but from  a technical precision perspective, I have a feeling
>that the correct term is "damping" not "dampening."  RFC 2439, the damping
>rfc, refers to the process exclusively as damping.  It would seem that Cisco
>in both description and command syntax, uses the term dampening, leading to
>this proliferation of innacurracy.
>
>Dampening to me feels like I'm going to get my routes all wet :)  Of course,
>damping has pretty much the same meaning in every dictionary I've looked at.
>
>Of course, I really should find myself something more productive to research
>:)
>
>
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Re: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[Brian Lodwick]

Chuck,
  You need a beer, a vacation, some excercise, some kind of stress reliever. 
I do feel your cry from the trenches. I think part of the problem is, this 
field gets bigger every day. The IT industry promises so much, even for the 
really lazy people. If you listen to adds from some of the courses you hear 
get Microsoft or Cisco certified in 2 days of classes. This cries out to the 
lazy bum on the couch that networking stuff is easy. Get rich quick. And 
which certification is the grand-daddy puba of them all? -CCIE. Lazy man 
says if MCSE makes $50,000 after 2 days of classes, maybe I can go to a 4 
day class and get CCIE, and then just think of all the cash I'll be making.
  I do understand what you are saying. I have read and read and read and 
read and read the big fat books, not just the skinny cert preps. I am on the 
track looking for CCIE in my future. I read, and fight to understand 
sometimes. I read these listings to see what kinds of stuff other poeple are 
encountering, but I know I still have alot more studying to go before I have 
any chance of being successfull on the lab. I took the CCNP track to give me 
some stepping stones on my way there, and for something to validate my word, 
saying I know something about networking. The fact of the matter is that 
CCIE is alot of work true, but I disagree with bashing on people.
  Sometimes it takes a failure on a test to help figure out that this is 
going to take alot more work. Also just think about this. Every unprepared 
person who tosses that $1000 Cisco's way is kindof helping you become more 
valueable. Cisco gets more money to research, advertise, purchase small 
companies bottom line get a better stronghold on the market, and if you are 
planning to put that much work into that Cisco certification, you're going 
to want Cisco to stay on top for a long time most likely. You are going to 
almost going to be a part of Cisco it's going to be your advertiser, your 
research team. If Cisco sells alot of routers and switches = the market will 
needs alot of people who know how to work on that equipment.
  My brother gets all upset because one of his friends sort of expects my 
brother to hand feed him his MCSE. He says hey Jeff can you come over and 
help me out with this TCP/IP? The guy is just plain lazy he basicly doesn't 
want to have to read the material. When my brother gets all worked up I just 
say don't worry about it bro, he'll never put the effort into learning the 
material and he won't ever get that certification -he's just making you look 
good.

>>>Brian


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Hubert Pun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Cisco Study Group" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:43:16 -0800
>
>
>WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
>
>YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
>
>R
>
>A
>
>N
>
>T
>
>A
>
>N
>
>D
>
>R
>
>A
>
>V
>
>E
>
>
>OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a number
>of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
>
>IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU 
>DESERVE
>TO BECOME A F***ING CCIE???
>
>The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!
>
>It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER
>
>THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP
>
>Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the 
>pipelines,
>for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard to
>achieve for a reason. GET IT??
>
>My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of 
>spending
>all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the same
>time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
>
>RANT AND RAVE
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Hubert Pun
>Sent:  Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
>To:Cisco Study Group
>Subject:   Lab exam
>
>Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
>for example, out of 100 points
>how many points are BGP?
>how many points are SNA or DLSw?
>how many points are IPX?
>how many points are OSPF? (is it still 20?)
>how many points are Catalyst?
>what equipment to expect? (according to the website below, there will
>only be 2500, 3600, 4000 and Cat 5k)
>how many points are ATM?
>
>
>I have taken a look into http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm and I am
>not sure how update the info is.
>
>Where else can I find the mark distribution for the lab?  (i know that
>the Cisco blue print does not really have the mark distribution)
>
>Thanks
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Re: Cisco's CCIE Power Session?

[James Reagan]

Here you go

http://www.gdd.net/cisco/ccie/PowerSessions.html

James Reagan
CCSI #22490

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> From what I gather from previous posts, the "CCIE Power Sessions" were an
> activity of some sort at the Networkers Conference?
>
> If this is the case, is there somewhere online the presentations are kept,
> or the material is otherwise accessible?
>
> I have checked the main Networkers 2000 page, but did not find anything.
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excessive collisions

[Rayappa Mayakunthala]

Folks

These messages appear on my router (Cisco 4700M) at a point of time
everyday. This is very strange because it happens between 2pm and 3pm
everyday. We tried replacing the patch cable, changing interface, etc.

%DEC21140-5-COLL: Unit 0, excessive collisions
%DEC21140-5-COLL: Unit 0, excessive collisions

What does DEC21140 refer to? Also what is "Unit 0"?

Any clues?

Rayappa.

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lab swap in San Jose for Jan 3/4

[Mahesh Manjanatha]

Does anyone have a early December date they would want to swap for my Jan 
3/4 date in SanJose?
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Re: Rumor Alert - Lab Changes - WAS: Flame bait.

[Drew Simonis]

Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> 
> All these things together are what lead me to speculate that the Security
> Lab will include work on servers for the various Cisco Secure products, and
> on PC's for the client side of VPN. Which makes perfect sense, because
> security is far more than configuring access lists on routers and policies
> on firewalls.
> 

OK, got ya.  Methinks you've been in routerworld for too long...
Its been a long time since I've thought of servers and workstations
as end user stuff  =)

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Re: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE

[Patrick Bass]

Chuck,
 I think you were right on with your original response.
Pat

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> A number of comments, on line and off, have given me pause to think.
>
> Whatever my personal situation, and the situations of certain others
around
> me, it is not right for me to vent on individuals, or on the list itself,
> for whatever reason.
>
> So, Mr. H. Pun, please accept my sincere apology for my unkind remarks.
Best
> wishes in your pursuit of your dreams.
>
> Chuck
>
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RE: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[jennifer cribbs]

I can only speak for myself, and as someone just starting out from the 
standpoint of alot of you guys, that response will make me think before asking 
what i would consider a valid question.  And is validity assessed by what you 
all connsider valid, or what I consider valid based on the knowledge I have 
acquired so far???  We all learn at different rates and all have different 
knowledge and I personally read the reply and what prompted the reply.  Is it 
up to anyone to judge the seriousness or the study habits of another and 
actually criticize???  Being an e-mail group and filled with people trying 
from all levels to suceed, I feel all questions are valid.  Granted, some of 
his questions were a little pointed and needed more research on his part, 
butI refuse to put myself in the position of causing a failure or success 
of any individual based on what type of day I am having.  I think there are 
probably plenty of people who fail and all based on their own merits, without 
anyone else's help to push them in that direction.  But on the other side of 
that coin, to encourage someone and to help them succeed and by offering 
genuine help, would also refresh every ones memory in basic concepts which 
harms noone, and hurts noone's feelings.  And that is a very important factor.
 And the last thing, I enjoy reading all responses and all questions, as this 
in itself is usually a learning experience which I consider beneficial.  
Heated responses dampen then.  Absolutely no benefit is served.

Jennifer Cribbs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>= Original Message From "Robert Borejszo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>Way to go Adrian Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together.
>
>Robert
>
>"Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Gee...  must have been a really bad day huh?  Can't say I disagree with
>> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people waiting
>> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out
>> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made without
>any
>> hope of succeeding.
>>
>> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens who
>> have no idea what they're in for next.  If you ask me, having finished
>your
>> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to
>come!
>> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience, practice,
>> study - and most important of all - TIME!  And if you contrast it to elite
>> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta
>> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding.
>>
>> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools such
>> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a
>lot
>> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands a
>> decent shot at it.  Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by just
>> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say 20%
>> of job over 2 years in some network admin position).  The CCIE written
>> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some topics.
>>
>> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of
>> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never be
>> the sharpest engineer out there.  For those people who are starting out
>and
>> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line for
>> you.  For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice, before
>you
>> embark for the CCIE.  I have a friend who started out more than two years
>> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is
>holding
>> off the lab - he knows he's not ready.  And that's not to say he's not
>> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in his
>> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend
>doing
>> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab.
>>
>> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone.  Unfortunately the hype has
>> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the race.
>> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite
>> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass the
>> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it
>(hehe!).
>> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the CCIE can be a very in-depth
>> fulfilling lifetime experience - Cisco technology is full of neat
>surprises
>> and tricks, and the world just needs more and more of us.
>>
>> Chuck, hang it there - it can be tough going, but someday soon.  Thought
>for
>> the future - all IT certifications should be lab based...  a one day CCNP
>> lab exam, 1/2 day CCNA lab exam - and make the MCSE a 2-day lab, that will
>> sure weed out the thousands of paper MSCEs!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrian
>>
>> ""Chuck Larrieu""

Re: Motorola ISDN question

[whatshakin]

Title: RE: Motorola ISDN question



Those NT1's use the James Electronics model 
14206 28 volt A/C output adapter.  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Taylor, Don 
  To: 'Sar Feng' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:17 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Motorola ISDN question
  
  My suggestion would be to visit www.motorola.com and see if you can find 
  the specs for it there, or at the very least, find their support phone number 
  and give 'em a call.
  - Don 
  -Original Message- From: Sar 
  Feng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Motorola ISDN question 
  I have a motorola ISDN NT1, but have no power adapter, any one 
  can help me , tell me what kind of A/C it 
  needs? 
  thanks 
  sar 
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Re: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[Clayton Price]

I think most people would consider someone asking a question about how
something works, or why you do such and such, a valid question.  Asking
someone to tell you what to study and what not to study is not a valid
question as far as I'm concerned.

Clayton Price


"jennifer cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I can only speak for myself, and as someone just starting out from the
> standpoint of alot of you guys, that response will make me think before
asking
> what i would consider a valid question.  And is validity assessed by what
you
> all connsider valid, or what I consider valid based on the knowledge I
have
> acquired so far???  We all learn at different rates and all have different
> knowledge and I personally read the reply and what prompted the reply.  Is
it
> up to anyone to judge the seriousness or the study habits of another and
> actually criticize???  Being an e-mail group and filled with people trying
> from all levels to suceed, I feel all questions are valid.  Granted, some
of
> his questions were a little pointed and needed more research on his part,
> butI refuse to put myself in the position of causing a failure or
success
> of any individual based on what type of day I am having.  I think there
are
> probably plenty of people who fail and all based on their own merits,
without
> anyone else's help to push them in that direction.  But on the other side
of
> that coin, to encourage someone and to help them succeed and by offering
> genuine help, would also refresh every ones memory in basic concepts which
> harms noone, and hurts noone's feelings.  And that is a very important
factor.
>  And the last thing, I enjoy reading all responses and all questions, as
this
> in itself is usually a learning experience which I consider beneficial.
> Heated responses dampen then.  Absolutely no benefit is served.
>
> Jennifer Cribbs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >= Original Message From "Robert Borejszo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> >Way to go Adrian Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >"Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Gee...  must have been a really bad day huh?  Can't say I disagree with
> >> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people
waiting
> >> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out
> >> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made
without
> >any
> >> hope of succeeding.
> >>
> >> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens
who
> >> have no idea what they're in for next.  If you ask me, having finished
> >your
> >> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to
> >come!
> >> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience,
practice,
> >> study - and most important of all - TIME!  And if you contrast it to
elite
> >> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta
> >> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding.
> >>
> >> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools
such
> >> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a
> >lot
> >> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands
a
> >> decent shot at it.  Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by
just
> >> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say
20%
> >> of job over 2 years in some network admin position).  The CCIE written
> >> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some
topics.
> >>
> >> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of
> >> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never
be
> >> the sharpest engineer out there.  For those people who are starting out
> >and
> >> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line
for
> >> you.  For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice,
before
> >you
> >> embark for the CCIE.  I have a friend who started out more than two
years
> >> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is
> >holding
> >> off the lab - he knows he's not ready.  And that's not to say he's not
> >> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in
his
> >> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend
> >doing
> >> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab.
> >>
> >> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone.  Unfortunately the hype
has
> >> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the
race.
> >> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite
> >> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass
the
> >> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it
> >(hehe!).
> >> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the

RE: CCIE R&S lab prep

[Louie Belt]

I bit the bullet and can highly recommend the CCBootcamp labs.  They, are a
much better prep tool than the All-In-One Lab Study Guide.

Louie



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Kevin Wigle
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:16 AM
To: Belt, Louie; 'Rodgers Moore '; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S lab prep


Which is why from what I have heard/read (and visiting the web site) that
you should bite the bullet and buy the lab scenarios from Marc Russell.

They have been argued as the best lab prep material for the very reason that
they do get into the "large" scenarios.

I haven't bought them yet but I will be in the early new year.

Kevin Wigle

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Sent: Thursday, 16 November, 2000 22:06
Subject: RE: CCIE R&S lab prep


> The book's a farce for true CCIE lab prep.  It is not in any way enough
> prep for the lab.  It segment's everything into small portions, and gives
> you step by step intructions it never puts it all together (totally unlike
> the lab).  Additionally, there is no bridging, DLSW+, voice, firewall
> feature sets,...
>
> It is woefully inadequate for use in CCIE prep.  If you use this book as
> your main "lab prep" you will be in utter shock the day you step into the
> lab.
>
> Louie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rodgers Moore
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11/16/00 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S lab prep
>
> I think that the most telling statement you've made is that Cisco knows
> about the book, and hence the lab proctors do too.  So logically, this
> book
> alone will not be enough to pass the lab.
>
> Rodgers Moore
>
> "Chuck Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > All,
> >
> > I was talking to a Cisco SE Tuesday and he mentioned that the
> All-In-One
> > Cisco CCIE Lab Study Guide by Stephen Hutnik and Michael Satterlee was
> the
> > book to use.  Apparently many internal Cisco people in RTP use this
> book
> for
> > preparation.  I've ordered it, and am currently using the Doyle and
> Halabi
> > books as well.  Has anyone used this all in one guide to prepare?  Was
> it
> > useful?  Also, I found out for sure there will be a small amount of
> voice
> on
> > the test - FXS/FXO on a couple of routers.  Any idea on where to start
> or
> > what to read?  Maybe some CCO URLs?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Chuck Church
> > R&S Lab - Jan 12/13 RTP (AKA D-Day)
> > CCNP, CCDP, MCNE, MCSE
> > Sr. Network Engineer
> > Magnacom Technologies
> > 140 N. Rt. 303
> > Valley Cottage, NY 10989
> > 845-267-4000 x218
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RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE

[Louie Belt]

Chuck,

Don't worry about it.  Anyone who is truly in prep mode for the CCIE lab
knows exactly how you feel.  After spending months using every spare moment
preparing for my lab, I can guarantee you I've snapped at people for a lot
less.  Only those who are in true prep mode (or those who have been through
it  - and been successful) can possibly understand the amount of work it
takes to get through it.  I agree with your sentiments, it's not for
slackers, and those who are not willing to spend the time to get the answers
for themselves should not even consider wasting their time (or Cisco's) in
pursuit of the CCIE cert.  Just keep in mind that the number of CCIE
wanna-be's outnumber CCIE's 10-1.

Keep struggling forward!!

Louie


> Whatever my personal situation, and the situations of certain others
around
> me, it is not right for me to vent on individuals, or on the list itself,
> for whatever reason.
>
> So, Mr. H. Pun, please accept my sincere apology for my unkind remarks.
Best
> wishes in your pursuit of your dreams.
>
> Chuck
>
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RE: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[Sam Adams]

Article I found on network world.  Interesting?  Maybe...

http://www.nwfusion.com/careers/2000/0821manonline.html

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Brian Lodwick
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam


Chuck,
  You need a beer, a vacation, some excercise, some kind of stress reliever.
I do feel your cry from the trenches. I think part of the problem is, this
field gets bigger every day. The IT industry promises so much, even for the
really lazy people. If you listen to adds from some of the courses you hear
get Microsoft or Cisco certified in 2 days of classes. This cries out to the
lazy bum on the couch that networking stuff is easy. Get rich quick. And
which certification is the grand-daddy puba of them all? -CCIE. Lazy man
says if MCSE makes $50,000 after 2 days of classes, maybe I can go to a 4
day class and get CCIE, and then just think of all the cash I'll be making.
  I do understand what you are saying. I have read and read and read and
read and read the big fat books, not just the skinny cert preps. I am on the
track looking for CCIE in my future. I read, and fight to understand
sometimes. I read these listings to see what kinds of stuff other poeple are
encountering, but I know I still have alot more studying to go before I have
any chance of being successfull on the lab. I took the CCNP track to give me
some stepping stones on my way there, and for something to validate my word,
saying I know something about networking. The fact of the matter is that
CCIE is alot of work true, but I disagree with bashing on people.
  Sometimes it takes a failure on a test to help figure out that this is
going to take alot more work. Also just think about this. Every unprepared
person who tosses that $1000 Cisco's way is kindof helping you become more
valueable. Cisco gets more money to research, advertise, purchase small
companies bottom line get a better stronghold on the market, and if you are
planning to put that much work into that Cisco certification, you're going
to want Cisco to stay on top for a long time most likely. You are going to
almost going to be a part of Cisco it's going to be your advertiser, your
research team. If Cisco sells alot of routers and switches = the market will
needs alot of people who know how to work on that equipment.
  My brother gets all upset because one of his friends sort of expects my
brother to hand feed him his MCSE. He says hey Jeff can you come over and
help me out with this TCP/IP? The guy is just plain lazy he basicly doesn't
want to have to read the material. When my brother gets all worked up I just
say don't worry about it bro, he'll never put the effort into learning the
material and he won't ever get that certification -he's just making you look
good.

>>>Brian


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Hubert Pun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Cisco Study Group"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:43:16 -0800
>
>
>WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
>
>YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
>
>R
>
>A
>
>N
>
>T
>
>A
>
>N
>
>D
>
>R
>
>A
>
>V
>
>E
>
>
>OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a number
>of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
>
>IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
>DESERVE
>TO BECOME A F***ING CCIE???
>
>The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!
>
>It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER
>
>THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP
>
>Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
>pipelines,
>for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard to
>achieve for a reason. GET IT??
>
>My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
>spending
>all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the same
>time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
>
>RANT AND RAVE
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
>Hubert Pun
>Sent:  Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
>To:Cisco Study Group
>Subject:   Lab exam
>
>Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
>for example, out of 100 points
>how many points are BGP?
>how many points are SNA or DLSw?
>how many points are IPX?
>how many points are OSPF? (is it still 20?)
>how many points are Catalyst?
>what equipment to expect? (according to the website below, there will
>only be 2500, 3600, 4000 and Cat 5k)
>how many points are ATM?
>
>
>I have taken a look into http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm and I am
>not sure how update the info is.
>
>Where else can I find the mark distribution for the lab?  (i know that
>the Cisco blue prin

Re: Free Book: Telecom & Networking Glossary

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

I thought the message came directly from cisco. I don't like their 
grandiose marketing style of writing. &;-)

I don't have a problem with people telling us about books. That's a good thing.

Regarding my book having a copyright of 1999, so? It teaches a network 
design methodology that is timeless. I know of only a couple minor 
anachronisms in it.

Sorry I caused such an uproar! Puh-Leez do NOT respond to this message. 
Thanks.

Priscilla

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>
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RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE

[Craig Johnson]

Man, you hit the nail on the head with that one.  I take my lab December
13 and I get more irritable everyday.  Maybe it's because my coworkers
don't understand or care why I'm doing it, or don't see the difficulty
in it.  It's especially hard when you get no support from your job in
studying.  When coworkers have no qualms in taking routers out of your
lab just because yours are setup and its convenient to do so.  That's
why this list is so invaluable, you have to have someone that can relate
to you.  Hopefully, my stress will die down soon enough. :)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Louie Belt
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:35 PM
To: 'Patrick Bass'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE


Chuck,

Don't worry about it.  Anyone who is truly in prep mode for the
CCIE lab
knows exactly how you feel.  After spending months using every spare
moment
preparing for my lab, I can guarantee you I've snapped at people for a
lot
less.  Only those who are in true prep mode (or those who have been
through
it  - and been successful) can possibly understand the amount of work it
takes to get through it.  I agree with your sentiments, it's not for
slackers, and those who are not willing to spend the time to get the
answers
for themselves should not even consider wasting their time (or Cisco's)
in
pursuit of the CCIE cert.  Just keep in mind that the number of CCIE
wanna-be's outnumber CCIE's 10-1.

Keep struggling forward!!

Louie


> Whatever my personal situation, and the situations of certain others
around
> me, it is not right for me to vent on individuals, or on the list
itself,
> for whatever reason.
>
> So, Mr. H. Pun, please accept my sincere apology for my unkind
remarks.
Best
> wishes in your pursuit of your dreams.
>
> Chuck
>
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RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE

[Taylor, Don]

Title: RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE





They take routers out of your lab "just 'cause"???  Holy crap, I'd get in there with a shotgun if I were you. Let some of them feel your pain.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 12:19 PM
To: 'Louie Belt'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE



Man, you hit the nail on the head with that one.  I take my lab December
13 and I get more irritable everyday.  Maybe it's because my coworkers
don't understand or care why I'm doing it, or don't see the difficulty
in it.  It's especially hard when you get no support from your job in
studying.  When coworkers have no qualms in taking routers out of your
lab just because yours are setup and its convenient to do so.  That's
why this list is so invaluable, you have to have someone that can relate
to you.  Hopefully, my stress will die down soon enough. :)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Louie Belt
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:35 PM
To: 'Patrick Bass'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE



Chuck,


    Don't worry about it.  Anyone who is truly in prep mode for the
CCIE lab
knows exactly how you feel.  After spending months using every spare
moment
preparing for my lab, I can guarantee you I've snapped at people for a
lot
less.  Only those who are in true prep mode (or those who have been
through
it  - and been successful) can possibly understand the amount of work it
takes to get through it.  I agree with your sentiments, it's not for
slackers, and those who are not willing to spend the time to get the
answers
for themselves should not even consider wasting their time (or Cisco's)
in
pursuit of the CCIE cert.  Just keep in mind that the number of CCIE
wanna-be's outnumber CCIE's 10-1.


Keep struggling forward!!


Louie



> Whatever my personal situation, and the situations of certain others
around
> me, it is not right for me to vent on individuals, or on the list
itself,
> for whatever reason.
>
> So, Mr. H. Pun, please accept my sincere apology for my unkind
remarks.
Best
> wishes in your pursuit of your dreams.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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BGP book

[Kenneth Lorenzo]

can anyone recommend a book that has extensive coverage of BGP? Thanks!

Kenneth


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Re: Layer3 switching--Follow Up Question

[Jason Roysdon]

Let's look at what each one does:
Router: Routes protocols (IP, IPX, AppleTalk, etc.).  If it doesn't know the
procotol, it can't route it.
Bridge: Works at layer 2 and only deals with MAC addresses and could care
less about the protocol at layer 3.
Brouter: Routes protocols it knows, bridges protocols it doesn't know/that
are unroutable (no layer 3 addressing).

Layer 3 switch example:
VLAN1: Ports 1-2  10.0.1.0/24
VLAN2: Ports 3-4  10.0.2.0/24
VLAN1 + 2: Ports 5-6  10.0.1.0/24 + 10.0.2.0/24

It can route packets between the VLANs.
It can switch/bridge at layer 2 between ports in the same VLAN.
For multi-VLAN ports it can switch/bridge between ports and also do
essentially "local" routing between ports, but you losing the advantages of
having a VLAN (security, separate broadcast domains, etc.) when you have
multi-VLAN ports.  You also lose control of what you want don't want
bridged/switched (stuff you're not routing, but also have no way to block at
layer 2 if you bridge/switch).

I'm also not clear on what switches can handle multi-VLANs for the same port
(not trunking, mind you).  I don't believe most can.

Anyway, just some thoughts on the whole thing.

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> I was taking the old-fashioned view that Layer-3 switch = router.  I
hadn't
> considered what Jay said that it's a "Layer-3 and below" device and it
> could be doing Layer-2 switching (bridging) for devices all in the same
> VLAN and the same subnet, as you say.
>
> Sounds like a Layer-3 switch by this new definition is nothing more than a
> brouter! Nothing every really changes. We've been having this same
> discussion for 15 years. %-}
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 08:14 PM 10/6/00, Chris Larson wrote:
> >I think you may be mistaken.
> >
> >  If all ports are in a single Vlan then it is one broadcast domain and
32
> >collision domains.
> >If you split it into 2 Vlans then you have 2 broadcast domains and 32
> >collision domains.
> >
> >If a 32 port switch had 32 broadcast domains then no broadcasts would
ever
> >be forward to other ports even if all the devices plugged into it were in
> >the same vlan and subnet.
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "NetEng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:06 PM
> >Subject: Re: Layer3 switching--Follow Up Question
> >
> >
> > > At 09:17 AM 10/4/00, NetEng wrote:
> > > >Does a 32 port layer3 switch module then have 32 collision/broadcast
> >domains?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > >  What about broadcast based services?
> > >
> > > What about it??
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>""NetEng"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
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> > > >>What are the benefits of layer3 switching (versus layer2)? Can I
create
> > > >>VLAN's w/o using a router on a layer3 switch?
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > http://www.priscilla.com
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Re: Multiple default gateways, same result?

[Jason Roysdon]

I believe the biggest reason for routing to a named interface is for ip
unnumbered, which would not have a directly connected interface on the same
subnet (thus no possibility of a route statement including an ip address
would work as it doesn't know how to get there):

Router A
int e0
 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
int s0
 ip unnumbered ethernet0
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 s0

Router B
int e0
 ip address 10.2.1.1 255.255.255.0
int s0
 ip unnumbered ethernet0
ip route 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 s0

Conside if instead they had the following route statements:
Router A
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.2.1.1  (what routes does the router know?  only
directly connected 10.1.1.0/24, so it has no way to know how to get to
10.2.1.0/24)

Router B
ip route 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 10.1.1.1  (this one is clearly nonsense)

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> Routes to an interface have a Admin distance of 0 (Connected)
> Routes to an ip have a Admin distance of 1 (Static)
>
> >ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 serial0.1 1
> >ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.201.0.74 1
>
> In theory, ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 serial0.1 1, should be more efficient
> because it forwards the packet directly to the next router, whereas, ip
> route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 serial0.1 1, will put an ARP request on the serial
> line.  The Packet still makes it either way, but the route to an IP is
> (minimally) faster.
>
> >ip route 10.48.2.0 255.255.255.0 ethernet0
>
> If I'm understanding correctly, The router already sees this network as
> connected.  This statement would be redundant and unneccessary. (Unless
you
> were redistributing static routes, but that's a different keg o' worms.)
>
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Multiple default gateways, same result?
> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:28:46 -0500
>
> Hey all,
>
> For study purposes I have configured a 'remote' router (Cisco 2501) with
> the following:
>
> E0:  10.48.2.1 255.255.255.0
>
> S0.1: 10.201.0.73 255.255.255.252  point-to-point (FR @ 128K CIR)
>
> The 'corporate' router (Cisco 3640) is configured as follows:
>
> E0: 10.1.1.2 255.255.0.0
>
> S0/0.1:  10.201.0.74 255.255.255.252 point-to-point (FR)
>
> I would like to assign the default gateway for the remote router as
> follows:
>
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 serial0.1 1
>
> I was wondering how this differs from using:
>
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.201.0.74 1
>
> In addition, what advantage/disadvantages might I reap if I also configure
> the 'remote' with the following line:
>
> ip route 10.48.2.0 255.255.255.0 ethernet0
>
> Are there any potential problems with the above line?
>
>
> Thank you,
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Last Minute Tips for BCSN Routing ?

[G.E. Murphy]

I will be taking BCSN Sunday at 5:00 pm anyone have any last minute
advice or tips???

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Re: packets out of order due to load-balancing

[Jason Roysdon]

ppp multilink is a way of packet load balancing (which is what I believe he
meant).  Both sides must be configured for ppp multilink and it handles the
packet splitting and reassembly.  Otherwise, you're just sending whole
packets through two or more paths of the same weight and the router doesn't
care about sequencing, only the sending and receiving nodes.

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> If it's a TCP-based session and per-packet load balancing gets the packets
> out of order, then TCP would put them back in order based on the TCP
> sequence numbers. This would happen at the end node, not at the router. If
> it were a UDP-based session, then an upper layer at the end node would
have
> to do it.
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 04:13 PM 10/13/00, Phil Barker wrote:
> >Hi groupies,
> > Can anyone enlighten me on the  process by which
> >per-packet load-balancing re-assembles the packets at
> >the remote router. Which sequence number is used e.g
> >is it the TCP sequence number.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Phil.
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NetworkWorld Road to CCIE - WAS RE: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam

[Lance Hubbard]

My money says that the author fails to get the CCIE before his 18 month 
projection.Nothing personal, of course, but it will be interesting 
nontheless to follow this guy's progression.  I'm sure he will have an 
unlimited budget for training courses and a practice lab.

Lance

>From: Sam Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Sam Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Brian Lodwick'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam
>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:59:46 -0800
>
>Article I found on network world.  Interesting?  Maybe...
>
>http://www.nwfusion.com/careers/2000/0821manonline.html
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Brian Lodwick
>Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:48 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam
>
>
>Chuck,
>   You need a beer, a vacation, some excercise, some kind of stress 
>reliever.
>I do feel your cry from the trenches. I think part of the problem is, this
>field gets bigger every day. The IT industry promises so much, even for the
>really lazy people. If you listen to adds from some of the courses you hear
>get Microsoft or Cisco certified in 2 days of classes. This cries out to 
>the
>lazy bum on the couch that networking stuff is easy. Get rich quick. And
>which certification is the grand-daddy puba of them all? -CCIE. Lazy man
>says if MCSE makes $50,000 after 2 days of classes, maybe I can go to a 4
>day class and get CCIE, and then just think of all the cash I'll be making.
>   I do understand what you are saying. I have read and read and read and
>read and read the big fat books, not just the skinny cert preps. I am on 
>the
>track looking for CCIE in my future. I read, and fight to understand
>sometimes. I read these listings to see what kinds of stuff other poeple 
>are
>encountering, but I know I still have alot more studying to go before I 
>have
>any chance of being successfull on the lab. I took the CCNP track to give 
>me
>some stepping stones on my way there, and for something to validate my 
>word,
>saying I know something about networking. The fact of the matter is that
>CCIE is alot of work true, but I disagree with bashing on people.
>   Sometimes it takes a failure on a test to help figure out that this is
>going to take alot more work. Also just think about this. Every unprepared
>person who tosses that $1000 Cisco's way is kindof helping you become more
>valueable. Cisco gets more money to research, advertise, purchase small
>companies bottom line get a better stronghold on the market, and if you are
>planning to put that much work into that Cisco certification, you're going
>to want Cisco to stay on top for a long time most likely. You are going to
>almost going to be a part of Cisco it's going to be your advertiser, your
>research team. If Cisco sells alot of routers and switches = the market 
>will
>needs alot of people who know how to work on that equipment.
>   My brother gets all upset because one of his friends sort of expects my
>brother to hand feed him his MCSE. He says hey Jeff can you come over and
>help me out with this TCP/IP? The guy is just plain lazy he basicly doesn't
>want to have to read the material. When my brother gets all worked up I 
>just
>say don't worry about it bro, he'll never put the effort into learning the
>material and he won't ever get that certification -he's just making you 
>look
>good.
>
> >>>Brian
>
>
> >From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Hubert Pun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Cisco Study Group"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: HEATED RESPONSE - WAS RE: Lab exam
> >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:43:16 -0800
> >
> >
> >WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
> >
> >YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
> >
> >R
> >
> >A
> >
> >N
> >
> >T
> >
> >A
> >
> >N
> >
> >D
> >
> >R
> >
> >A
> >
> >V
> >
> >E
> >
> >
> >OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a 
>number
> >of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
> >
> >IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
> >DESERVE
> >TO BECOME A F***ING CCIE???
> >
> >The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!
> >
> >It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER
> >
> >THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP
> >
> >Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
> >pipelines,
> >for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard to
> >achieve for a reason. GET IT??
> >
> >My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
> >spending
> >all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the 
>same
> >time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
> >
> >RANT AND RAVE
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> 

vty password access

[Jason Roysdon]

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios112/112cg_cr/3rb
ook/3rterms.htm
rotary
To define a group of lines consisting of one of more lines, use the rotary
line configuration command. Use the no form of this command to remove a line
or group of lines from a rotary group.

rotary group
no rotary


Syntax Description
  group
 Integer between 1 and 100 that you choose to identify the rotary group.




Default
None

Command Mode
Line configuration

Usage Guidelines
This command first appeared in Cisco IOS Release 10.0.

Typically, rotary groups are used on devices with multiple modem connections
to allow connections to the next free line in a hunt group.

Connections to a rotary group can take advantage of the following features:


  a.. Clear To Send (CTS)-If a line in a rotary group is configured to
require CTS, the Cisco IOS software skips that line if CTS from the attached
device is low. This feature enables the software to avoid inactive host
ports automatically. To enable this feature, use the modem bad line
configuration command.


  b.. RS-232 handshaking-Rotary groups are often associated with large
terminal switches that require an RS-232 handshake before forming a
connection. In this case, use the modem callout line configuration command
to configure the lines in the group. If the RS-232 handshake fails on a
line, the Cisco IOS software steps to the next free line in the rotary group
and restarts the negotiation.


  c.. Access control-You can use access lists for groups of virtual terminal
lines.


  d.. Session timeout-Use the session-timeout line configuration command to
set an interval for a line so that if no activity occurs on a remotely
initiated connection for that interval the Cisco IOS software closes the
connection. The software assumes that the host has crashed or is otherwise
inaccessible.

The remote host must specify a particular TCP port on the router to connect
to a rotary group with connections to an individual line. The available
services are the same, but the TCP port numbers are different. Table 7 lists
the services and port numbers for both rotary groups and individual lines.


  Table 7: Services and Port Numbers for Rotary Groups and Lines  Services
Provided  Base TCP Port for Rotaries  Base TCP Port for
  Individual Lines
  Telnet protocol
 3000
 2000

  Raw TCP protocol (no
  Telnet protocol)
 5000
 4000

  Telnet protocol, binary mode
 7000
 6000

  XRemote protocol
 1
 9000




For example, if Telnet protocols are required, the remote host connects to
the TCP port numbered 3000 (decimal) plus the rotary group number. If the
rotary group identifier is 13, the corresponding TCP port is 3013.

If a raw TCP stream is required, the port is 5000 (decimal) plus the rotary
group number. If rotary group 5 includes a raw TCP (printer) line, the user
connects to port 5005 and is connected to one of the raw printers in the
group.

If Telnet binary mode is required, the port is 7000 (decimal) plus the
rotary group number.

Example
The following example establishes a rotary group consisting of virtual
terminal lines 2 through 4 and defines a password on those lines. By using
Telnet to connect to TCP port 3001, the user gets the next free line in the
rotary group. The user does not have to remember the range of line numbers
associated with the password.

line vty 2 4
rotary 1
password letmein
login


I just tried it for line vty 4 on my 1605R (specifying rotary 1) and I was
about to telnet to 3001.
Regarding ACL's on a CON port: You clearly can't filter incoming serial
connections, but you could apply an ACL outgoing (in other words, isolate
CON to that router only, or telnet to a single host, etc.)
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>
>   I have a question regarding VTY line and it's configuration...atleast in
> CISCO
>
> 1) One can have individual configuration for each vty line...suppose i
have
> configured 2 VTY lines to give telnet access..but with different
password...
>
> Now suppose, no one has opened a session with the configured router..if i
> try to telnetby default it will go to VTY 1..suppose i know only VTY2
> password..then i can't telnet to that router...otherwise i have to open
one
> more telnet session so that i will land in VTY2
>
> My question is,is it possible to direct my telnet session to specific vty
> line..eg: telnet 1.1.1.1 VTY 2so that i can give different passsword
to
> different line...
>
> ...
> 2)access-class  in|out...what is the importance of this command
in
> line console 0 context...how one can filter based on ip address..for
console
> session...
>
> i tried many combination i did't get much..out of it..
> ..
> Can 

RE: BGP book

[Taylor, Don]

Title: RE: BGP book





Bassam Halabi's Internet Routing Architectures (Cisco Press, ISBN 157870233X) is the definitive guide.


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can anyone recommend a book that has extensive coverage of BGP? Thanks!


Kenneth



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RE: BGP book

[Gordon Olson]

Halabi - Internetworking Routing Architectures

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can anyone recommend a book that has extensive coverage of BGP? Thanks!

Kenneth


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 Amazon.com buying info Internet Routing Architectures.url

Re: Traffic Shaping

[Jason Roysdon]

txload & rxload gives it to you based on a max of 255 if you've set your
bandwidth for an interface.  Not a percentage, and probably just as easy to
calculate the average compared to max.  The best solution to me is MRTG.
Here's an example of what it can give you:

http://www.artoo.net/mrtg/

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> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
> Is there any 'load' command that specified percentages example, ' load 30'
> meaning 30% utilization?
>
> Thanks,
>
> ""Michael Fountain"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> the
> > router averages the load on an interface, in 30second intervals.
> Normally
> > when you do a 'show interface' you get a five minute averate.  With the
> > load-interval command you can change that.
> >
> > It that it, or are you looking at a different command?
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >What does the IOS 'load' command do in traffic shaping and QOS
> situations?
> > >
> > >Thanks
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Re: BGP book

[Mark Vicuna]

you cant go wrong with halabi's book, rfc's, and a small little pocket book 
I keep in my bag by john w stewart..


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Re: BGP book

[Kenneth Lorenzo]

Thanks!

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Re: Last Minute Tips for BCSN Routing ?

[Kenneth Lorenzo]

pray.

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Re: excessive collisions

[Hans Damen (studygroup)]

DEC21140 is a FastEthernet controller, Unit 0 means  FastEthernet0 being in
slot 0 of your 4700M, Excessive collisions mean that a packet was dropped
after trying to get on the medium for 15 times. The cause of this could be a
full segment, or a faulty device. It also is important to know whether you
use a hub or a switch. However according to your statement that it only
happens between 2 and 3 pm I assume that the cause is to be found in a
heavily loaded segment. Check your load during this time and try to decrease
it if so. It could also be worthwhile to check the status of your interface
(output errors, deferreds etc.)

Regards,

Hans

On CCO:
DEC21140 Fast Ethernet controller error messages


Error Message
%DEC21140-5-COLL: [chars] excessive collisions

Explanation   A Fast Ethernet packet was dropped because too many attempts
to transmit it were stopped by collisions. This
can be caused by a Fast Ethernet segment that is full to capacity or by
other equipment on the LAN malfunctioning.

Recommended Action   No action is required.


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> These messages appear on my router (Cisco 4700M) at a point of time
> everyday. This is very strange because it happens between 2pm and 3pm
> everyday. We tried replacing the patch cable, changing interface, etc.
>
> %DEC21140-5-COLL: Unit 0, excessive collisions
> %DEC21140-5-COLL: Unit 0, excessive collisions
>
> What does DEC21140 refer to? Also what is "Unit 0"?
>
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804 problems after 'erase startup' and reload

[Jason Roysdon]

Was going to let a friend reconfigure an 804 from scratch.  We were
telnetted to a router and going out the AUX port with reverse telnet to the
804.  I copied my current config off to my tftp server, then did an 'erase
startup', 'show startup' (came back unconfigured), 'reload,' and said no to
save current config and confirmed reload.  Next thing we knew we got
jibberish (like we had the wrong baud rates).  AUX was set for 9600
(default) and was working fine before the reboot...  When I got physical
access to the 804, I tried with direct console access from my laptop.  Same
thing, 9600,8,n,1 just gave me jibberish.  I tried all other baud rates Tera
Term Pro (my favorite free telnet/serial terminal program) supports
(100-115200) , as well as 7,e,1 at a random number of baud rates, etc.  Even
went to try from Hyperterminal, no luck there either at 9600 or 115200 (same
results).  Actually, the only thing that didn't give me jibberish was 115200
which just flashed the cursor but never moved it.  I tried issuing ESC,
CTRL+C & BREAK after power off/on with 9600 & 115200, no luck and same
results.

Any ideas out there?

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in a 2600,I run the command "show line"

[cslx]

in a Asyn,I found it's noise is 17,but the noise of other Asyn are all
0,could you tell me the reason?


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RE: in a 2600,I run the command "show line"

[Gordon Olson]

Noise usually refers something physical, check the cabeling, or if it is
coming from patch panel is it punched down well?

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in a Asyn,I found it's noise is 17,but the noise of other Asyn are all
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Re: BGP bandwidth question

[mikeneva]

I would probally upgrade the NPE150 to a 200 or 300.

I had 2 7206's w/ NPE200 and 128M and had about 40% utilized mem.
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> OK, I have a discussion going on in the office about what a full BGP
session
> is going to do to our Internet bandwidth and memory.
>
> Right now I have 2 T1s from two providers, one from PSI and one from
Epoch,
> and am getting partial routes from both.  I get 6505 prefixes from PSI and
> 1238 from Epoch.  We are running a 7206 NPE150 with 128 Meg of Ram.  I am
> looking at getting full routes from one or both providers.
>
> I am getting conflicting feedback about what getting  full routes will do
to
> our bandwidth and memory.  One says it will kill us and another says no
> problem.
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> Any real world experiences and feedback would be appreciated...
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4 NET WORK CARDS IN ONE SERVER

[L Reid]

How do I set up four network cards in one NT 2000 server?
Is there a book that you know of?
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Re: 4 NET WORK CARDS IN ONE SERVER

[John Huston]

Install them and then the add drivers to each 
card.   I usually add one at a time so I know which card has what IP 
address.  If you are adding them all to the same network, you are wasting 
your time.
 

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Re: Free Book Subject expanded

[Rob Bains]

Well said!! I can't think of any better way of saying it than this.
Cheers!
 > Rob
motor_5 wrote:

To
CiscoStudy Group, I
think any help in whatever form is necessary whatever the content in networking
or telecommunications, be it old or new.I
am certified in atm , and that may be a big deal to some.But
I will tell you from 17 YEARS of experience in the electronic engineering
field that only experience, people willing to help you learn, and the ability
of a "KIND-HEARTED" Individual may will get you through the tough times,
anywhere,anytime, and under any circumstances!!!. I personnally would
enjoy recieving the book in my e-mail. Also would like to send documentaion
of my own to the group when needed. Any comments welcome. Any disagreements
all I have to say is this-you are going to have to learn to share knowledge
and work together as a team or professional individuals to stay in the
networking field where-ever you go. Roy

SYN Attack - How to identify this

[Pradeep Kumar]

Hi folks,

I need to know how to :-
- simullate a SYN attack ?
- How SYN attack actually works.

Any information will be appreciated.

Regards All.
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CLI help

[Sam]

Hello friends

Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command buy
specifying a shorter word.

For example instead of typing
"sho run", can I just type "sr"
Is there any way of doing this in the CLI

Please let me know

Thanks
Sam
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> Hello:
> You can consult the following URL
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_
c/dcrtelnt.htm
>
> Regards
> Azhar Soomro
>
>
>
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>
> I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can it
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> possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the modem
> is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you.
>
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Re: Master Clock Source

[Jason Roysdon]

Do you have a Unix box you can host NTP from?  Might try that as a source.
Also, if this box is losing time, don't set it as an ntp master (it
shouldn't be serving out bogus time).  Oh, think I may have found your
problem, try assigning a stratum to your master:
ntp master 15

I'd set 15 as it's the lowest (especially since you have no true contact
with an accurate source), and hopefully that'll let you get time to your
misbehaving box.  I tested a bit on some routers I have, and whenever I set
bogus times, checked that it did get set bogus, and rebooted, they always
got the right time when they came back up from the ntp master they were
configured to poll.


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settings
> when the router reboots.  The network is a closed network and does not
have
> any outside sources like an ntp server.  Is there anyway to maintian the
> clock even when the router is rebooted.  I have tried setting the clock
and
> calendar and then using the "ntp master" and "ntp peer" commands, but the
> peer routers clock does not update when I change the master router clock.
> Is there something that I m missing here.  I also tried using the clock
> calendar- valid, but could not get the peer router to update it's clock
when
> I changed the master clock source.  How does the clock calendar-valid
> configuration work.  I mean do I need to apply this command to all routers
> in the network?
>
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>
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Re: C3548-XL-EN question

[Jason Roysdon]

Per port setting due to the problems it can lead to with loops (as you're
basically killing STP on that port).  I have a text file that I just cut and
paste whenever I'm setting up a new 2900.

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> Due to some problems I have with IPX communication from older NW Clients,
I
> had to enable PortFast on many of my ports, but I had to go in and do it
for
> each port:
>
> Elvis-1(config)#int fa 0/1
> Elvis-1(config-if)#span portfast
> Elvis-1(config-if)#int fa 0/2
> Elvis-1(config-if)#span portfast
> Elvis-1(config-if)#int fa 0/3
> Elvis-1(config-if)#span portfast
>
> etc...
>
> Is there a way to do it for a group of ports in one command?
>
> BTW, if anyone of you have been or are in the same situation, I can tell
you
> that by upgrading their NW Client to 3.30, the problem disappears - I just
> haven't had the chance to do it on all my workstations yet.
>
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Re: BGP bandwidth question

[Jason Roysdon]

Along the same lines here:
Is a 3640 able to pull full routes, and if so, how about a 2621?  Both with
maxed DRAM.

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> OK, I have a discussion going on in the office about what a full BGP
session
> is going to do to our Internet bandwidth and memory.
>
> Right now I have 2 T1s from two providers, one from PSI and one from
Epoch,
> and am getting partial routes from both.  I get 6505 prefixes from PSI and
> 1238 from Epoch.  We are running a 7206 NPE150 with 128 Meg of Ram.  I am
> looking at getting full routes from one or both providers.
>
> I am getting conflicting feedback about what getting  full routes will do
to
> our bandwidth and memory.  One says it will kill us and another says no
> problem.
>
> Any real world experiences and feedback would be appreciated...
>
> Don
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RE: CLI help

[JL]

The shortest possible abbreviation for "show run" would be "sh ru". If you
need to do this often you could also up the up arrow or ctrl-p. When typing
in commands you need only type enough letters so that IOS no longer finds
the command to be ambiguous... like copy run star for copy
running-configuration startup-configuration or sh ru for show run. If you
are unsure about how many letters you need to type so that the command is no
longer ambiguous, type out part of the command and then a question
mark...like co?  for copy.

HTH
Gragg Vaill
MCP CCNA
NOS Contractor
Sprint ION NOC


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Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CLI help


Hello friends

Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command buy
specifying a shorter word.

For example instead of typing
"sho run", can I just type "sr"
Is there any way of doing this in the CLI

Please let me know

Thanks
Sam
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To: "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Reverse Telnet]


> Hello:
> You can consult the following URL
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_
c/dcrtelnt.htm
>
> Regards
> Azhar Soomro
>
>
>
> "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello,
>
> I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can it
be
> possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the modem
> is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you.
>
> ALI SHEERAZ
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RE: CLI help

[Dennis Laganiere]

router# wr t

-Original Message-
From: Sam
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/18/2000 7:53 PM
Subject: CLI help

Hello friends

Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command
buy
specifying a shorter word.

For example instead of typing
"sho run", can I just type "sr"
Is there any way of doing this in the CLI

Please let me know

Thanks
Sam
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From: "azhar mumtaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Reverse Telnet]


> Hello:
> You can consult the following URL
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/d
ial_
c/dcrtelnt.htm
>
> Regards
> Azhar Soomro
>
>
>
> "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello,
>
> I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can
it
be
> possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the
modem
> is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you.
>
> ALI SHEERAZ
>

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BOOT SYSTEM Problem

[GEM]

Cisco Router uses first IOS Image in flash and Startup-Config in NVRAM
to boot as default. And boot system command is used to override the
default setting. A little confused on this command,

Router(config)#boot system ?
  WORD   TFTP filename or URL
  flash  Boot from flash memory
  mopBoot from a Decnet MOP server
  rcpBoot from a server via rcp
  tftp   Boot from a tftp server


What's command for the following tasks?
Task 1. using a special IOS image from FLASH
Task 2. using a special IOS image from TFTP Server
Task 3. using a special Configuration File from FLASH 
Task 4. using a special Configuration File from TFTP Server
Task 5. Combine 1&3
Task 6. Combine 1&4
Task 7. Combine 2&3
Task 8. Combine 2&4

Thanks,
GEM

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RE: CLI help

[Ehab Mohamad Abdullah]

Hi,

You can use the command :
Host(Config)#alias


alias
To create a command alias, use the alias global configuration command. Use
the no form of this command to delete all aliases in a command mode or to
delete a specific alias, and to revert to the original command syntax.

alias mode alias-name alias-command-line

no alias mode [alias-name]


Syntax Description  mode
 Command mode of the original and alias commands. See Table 94 for a list of
options for this argument.
 
alias-name
 Command alias.
 
alias-command-line
 Original command syntax.
 
Regards 

Ehab

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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 7:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CLI help


Hello friends

Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command buy
specifying a shorter word.

For example instead of typing
"sho run", can I just type "sr"
Is there any way of doing this in the CLI

Please let me know

Thanks
Sam
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From: "azhar mumtaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Reverse Telnet]


> Hello:
> You can consult the following URL
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_
c/dcrtelnt.htm
>
> Regards
> Azhar Soomro
>
>
>
> "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello,
>
> I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can it
be
> possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the modem
> is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you.
>
> ALI SHEERAZ
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Re: Off Topic - Apologies for my HEATED RESPONSE

[Austin]

Chuck,

This is a great gesture from you. My post is not directed to you at all. It
is a general post.
I am of the notion that none of us have any right whatsoever to go off on
another.
If one cannot answer the question, do not reply.
If one is miserable or upset or cannot handle the pressure of training for
the CCIE, take five, think about what you are doing, because guess what, the
real life pressure in Network down situations can be much worse ... is it at
this point that you will be snapping at your colleagues?
Just because you are frustrated and tired of training, does not mean the
next person is.
So, to Mr. Pun that asked the question, contact your CCIE Lab Proctor, or
Cisco Channel SE with your questions, and you also might want to check out:
http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm
Hope this answers your questions Mr. Pun and good luck on your journey
towards the coveted CCIE!!!



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> Whatever my personal situation, and the situations of certain others
around
> me, it is not right for me to vent on individuals, or on the list itself,
> for whatever reason.
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> So, Mr. H. Pun, please accept my sincere apology for my unkind remarks.
Best
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Re: IS-IS use??

[Jack Walker]

Hi Group,

Could you please light me up on the following comments:

"OSPF allows use of ATM VCmux encapsulation (so TCP acks fit in one ATM
cell);
IS-IS requires ATM SNAP encapsulation, forcing two-cell TCP acks (but Henk
Smit's NLPID hack fixes this)."


I have no clue what this means, please help here.

Thanks

Jack






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RE: CLI help

[Louie Belt]

You can take it one step further by using alias commands. For instance
entering the following command in config mode:

alias exec sr show running

would result in sr being used at the command prompt to perform a "show
running" command.

LAB


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The shortest possible abbreviation for "show run" would be "sh ru". If you
need to do this often you could also up the up arrow or ctrl-p. When typing
in commands you need only type enough letters so that IOS no longer finds
the command to be ambiguous... like copy run star for copy
running-configuration startup-configuration or sh ru for show run. If you
are unsure about how many letters you need to type so that the command is no
longer ambiguous, type out part of the command and then a question
mark...like co?  for copy.

HTH
Gragg Vaill
MCP CCNA
NOS Contractor
Sprint ION NOC


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Sam
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CLI help


Hello friends

Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command buy
specifying a shorter word.

For example instead of typing
"sho run", can I just type "sr"
Is there any way of doing this in the CLI

Please let me know

Thanks
Sam
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From: "azhar mumtaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Reverse Telnet]


> Hello:
> You can consult the following URL
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_
c/dcrtelnt.htm
>
> Regards
> Azhar Soomro
>
>
>
> "ALI SHEERAZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello,
>
> I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can it
be
> possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the modem
> is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you.
>
> ALI SHEERAZ
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