Re: CID beta results available at galton!!! [7:503]

2001-04-14 Thread GNOME

Finally out after 4 months1

interestingly they change the exam code to #640-520

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Re: Subject: Re: Check this one out ..... [7:608]

2001-04-14 Thread Paul Werner

> You idiot, did you really think that was for 
real???  Sending data
> through water for God's sake?

I guess the thought of sending data though water 
sounds totally idiotic.  It might be a good idea 
to tell all those sub skippers who have been 
using ELF commo for such a long time that their 
method of receiving flash and flash override 
messages from the US National Command Authority 
are "idiotic".  

Actually, I think the concept revolved around the 
issue of sending IP datagrams over the water 
pipes.  In fact, Bob Metcalfe (that eccentric 
inventor of Ethernet), pointed out in one of his 
Infoworld columns a few years ago about a firm 
that developed the ability to route IP datagrams 
across the electrical wiring in a plant/foundry 
through the electrical distribution system.  
Nowadays, such technology is ubiquitous with the 
advent of home wiring networking.

Lastly, I think back to the earlier days of 
ArcNet, whereby IP datagrams could be passed 
along barbed wire, concertina wire, or paper 
clips.

I'm looking for the next great thinker that will 
harness the power of sea water to obviate the 
need for the underwater cables/fiber and generate 
almost limitless capacity/bandwidth.

A person's mind is only limited by the extent of 
their imagination.   Dream on...

v/r,

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Re: SNMP Errors [7:473]

2001-04-14 Thread Georg Naggies

> when I do a 'sh snmp' I get the following output:
>
> "270479 No such name errors"
>
> Do you know what that means ?
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
> Hans

one of your management machines is probably configured with a wrong
"community" = snmp password



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RE: Unusual Aspect of a duplicate IP Address [7:353]

2001-04-14 Thread McCallum, Robert

No, What I saw was while on Router A if I telnetted to the 172.16.130.5
address it took me to Router B, so I thought that everything IP wise was
fine.  On Tom's comment ISIS does require that IP is correct despite it
using CLNS to form adjacencies.  Try it and see, when attempting an
adjacency do a debug isis adj and you will see a line saying no usable IP
addresses to from an appropriate adjacency.

However I thought that this scenario above would be protocol independent BUT
Priscilla seems to have a different result with the same scenario.

Cheers

:-o

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 01:09 PM 4/12/01, McCallum, Robert wrote:
>Here is a scenario which caught me out BIG time in a real life situation
>using ISIS.
>
>To make it easier
>
>Router A has a serial connection to Router B
>
>
>Everything is up layer 1 & 2i.e CDP can indeed see Router B if you are on
>Router A and vice versa.  Router B can't see any routes from Router A or
>beyond.
>
>NOW  Routers A serial 0's ip address is 172.16.130.5, Routers B serial 0's
>ip address is 172.16.130.5.
>
>Spot the deliberate mistake.
>
>Although you say AHA he has the same ip address on the serial connections.
>SO, quite rightly ISIS says, go away I will never make an adjacency with
>myself    :-(
>
>However, it took me quite a while to discover that these IP addresses were
>indeed duplicated.
>
>REASON or should I make it a question?  I think question would be better.
>
>Q: What do you think would happen if I was on Router A and telnetted to
>172.16.130.5, would I telnet to Router A or B. :->

I think I saw something similar today, though not with ISIS. But duplicate 
IP addressing caused us to Telnet to ourselves (i.e. Telnet from Router A 
to Router A.) Troubleshooting went downhill for a while until we figured 
out that was what was happening.

Is that what you saw too?

Thanks for the cool scenario. I hope the customer stopped breathing down 
your back finally.

Priscilla


>A: This is why it took me a while to realise this.  I started debugging
>adjacencies, blaming a new controller card which was the first time I had
>used this in ISIS, everything bar the easy problem.  Mental Note for me
here
>is don't dive in head first, always fault find the layers and remember this
>fault because it is nasty :-
>What made it worse was the customer sitting over my shoulder saying WHY
>isn't this working, I knew we shouldn't have bought those new fangled
router
>things!
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Re: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]

2001-04-14 Thread ElephantChild

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Paul Borghese wrote:

> We need some ideas on how to block spam more efficiently.  Any suggestions?

Here's some bookmarks I have. I'm sure others can toss their own.

Disclaimer: The information below is geared toward traditional MTAs.
Some or all of it may be irrelevant or unworkable for HTML form-based
posting. 

For specific how-to ways and spamblock services (some free, some
paying), see: 

http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/
http://mail-abuse.org/dul/
http://mail-abuse.org/rss/

For more general how-to information:

http://www.brettglass.com/spam/paper.html
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2505.html
http://spam.abuse.net/tools/mailblock.html

Adapt based on the MTA software you use and the steps you already took.

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OT: Re: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

Use MAPS RBL and/or ORBS.  You'll probably end up blocking some legitimate
stuff than spam, however (read their disclaimers and how each works).
http://www.orbs.org/
http://www.mail-abuse.org/

I like SpamCop for reporting spammers that actually get through to my work
and/or personal email.
http://www.spamcop.net/


I frankly don't care about dropping email from people with clueless ISPs and
like my 99% spam-free email, so I use MAPS RBL & ORBS.  Of course, I hide
all my public email behind hotmail and only give my personal artoo account
to real folks and not online forms.  I find it less than humorous that my
ADSL email account gets numerous pieces of spam a week (which I have never
used to send, just check once a month to find out about announcements).  I
can't wait until even people selling CDs with lists of email addresses are
getting taken to court, and when message/call center places that spammers
hide behind are required to give information about people that use them when
spamming.

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> > I am utterly offended by the previous posting regarding teen porn.  I
> > sincerely hope that all of the technical people that use this site
figure
> > out a way to "put a big brain techie hurt" on the person that posted it.
> >
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Re: TEEN PORN Paul [7:562]

2001-04-14 Thread Natasha

Have you ever looked into MIMEsweeper?
http://www.contenttechnologies.com/home.asp
The only other thing that I can think of is tighter list access ability.
It's a shame this type of thing has to be done.



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RE: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]

2001-04-14 Thread James Wilson

How about a 7 day delay of posting rights.  One week after subscribing the
person would have to reply to a message sent to the original subscribing
address.  For those seven days the subscriber receives posts but cannot post
themselves.  Most spammers use throw-away accounts that are valid for maybe
a day or two.  If there was a week delay the account would be closed by then
and the posting rights would never be verified.  It would (1) reduce if not
eliminate spammers with spamware that auto-acks the subscription and (2)
force the new subscribers to sit back for a week and read the feed and get a
feel for the list.

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We need some ideas on how to block spam more efficiently.  Any suggestions?

Paul
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To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:24 PM
Subject: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]


> I am utterly offended by the previous posting regarding teen porn.  I
> sincerely hope that all of the technical people that use this site figure
> out a way to "put a big brain techie hurt" on the person that posted it.
>
> Hopefully the webmaster has some ideas as well...
>
>
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AAA [7:613]

2001-04-14 Thread MIKE NDABARASA

hello,
i am new to access server configuration and am trying to configure one
modular access server(16 internal modems) - CISCO 2611 Version 11.3(2)XA4


i am using this configuration:

=
Current configuration:
!
! Last configuration change at 13:35:22 CAT Sat Apr 14 2001 by toor
! NVRAM config last updated at 12:39:21 CAT Sat Apr 14 2001 by toor
!
version 12.0
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log datetime localtime
service password-encryption
!
hostname dialers
!
logging buffered 8192 debugging
logging console notifications
aaa new-model
aaa authentication username-prompt "login: "
aaa authentication login default local
enable secret 5 $1$/DyD$PMk.BhS/LTsGe.v1gslxs.
enable password 7 0101090B4F
!
username mike password 7 082C45450C
username toor password 7 071B2E435C
memory-size iomem 10
ip subnet-zero
ip domain-name a_domain-name
ip name-server 216.y.z
ip name-server 216.x.y.z
async-bootp dns-server 216.x.y.z 216.x.y.z
async-bootp nbns-server 192.168.2.16
clock timezone CAT 2
!
!
!
interface Ethernet0/0
 description CORE NETWK
 ip address 216.x.y.z  255.255.255.192
 ip directed-broadcast
!
interface Ethernet0/1
 no ip address
 no ip directed-broadcast
 no ip mroute-cache
 shutdown
!
interface Group-Async1
 description 16 INTERNAL DIALUP MODEMS 
 bandwidth 33
 ip unnumbered Ethernet0/0
 no ip directed-broadcast
 encapsulation ppp
 ip tcp header-compression passive
 async mode interactive
 peer default ip address pool 16DIALERS
 no cdp enable
 ppp authentication chap
 group-range 33 48
 hold-queue 10 in
!
autonomous-system 10
!
router ospf 10
 redistribute connected metric 90 subnets
 redistribute static metric 90
 network 216.x.y.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
!
ip local pool 16DIALERS 216.x.y.z  216.x.y.z+16
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 216.x.y.1 200
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 216.x.y.6 250
!
logging trap notifications
logging facility local0
logging 216.147.148.11
access-list 51 deny   any
access-list 59 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 61 permit 216.x.y.0 0.0.0.255
access-list 62 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 62 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 62 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 62 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 62 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 180 permit ip 216.x.y.0 0.0.3.255 any
access-list 180 deny   ip any any log
snmp-server community public RO 62
snmp-server packetsize 2048
snmp-server location "Computer Centre, Nat. Univ of Rwanda, Butare"
snmp-server contact "Computer Center [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
!
line con 0
 access-class 62 in
 exec-timeout 5 0
 password 7 00101C0916
 transport input none
 escape-character NONE
line 33 48
 session-timeout 120  output
 location INTERNAL MODEMS 
 access-class 62 in
 exec-timeout 0 0
 autoselect during-login
 autoselect ppp
 modem answer-timeout 60
 modem InOut
 no history
 transport input all
 escape-character NONE
 stopbits 1
 flowcontrol hardware
line aux 0
logging facility local0
logging 216.x.y.z
access-list 51 deny   any
access-list 59 permit 216.x.y.z
access-list 61 permit 216.x.y.0 0.0.0.255
access-list 62 permit 216.x.y.x
access-list 180 deny   ip any any log
snmp-server community public RO 62
snmp-server packetsize 2048
snmp-server location "Computer Centre, Nat. Univ of Rwanda, Butare"
snmp-server contact "Computer Center [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
!
line con 0
 access-class 62 in
 exec-timeout 5 0
 password 7 00101C0916
 transport input none
 escape-character NONE
line 33 48
 session-timeout 120  output
 location INTERNAL MODEMS 
 access-class 62 in
 exec-timeout 0 0
 autoselect during-login
 autoselect ppp
 modem answer-timeout 60
 modem InOut
 no history
 transport input all
 escape-character NONE
 stopbits 1
 flowcontrol hardware
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 access-class 62 in
 exec-timeout 0 0
 password 7 01050F164F1E0703
 length 56
!
ntp clock-period 17180017
ntp server 128.59.35.142

dialers#
=
NOTE: ip addresses have been altered purposely by me. i hope it doesn't
matter.
===



here is the output of 
   terminal  monitor
 and   debug mdem  
 
==
 dialers#
2d09h: AAA: parse name=tty33 idb type=10 tty=33
2d09h: AAA: name=tty33 flags=0x11 type=4 shelf=0 slot=0 adapter=0 port=33
channel=0
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN: create_user (0x80B109C0) user='' ruser='' port='tty33'
rem_addr='async' authen_type=ASCII service=LOGIN priv=1
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN/START (2680348008): port='tty33' list='' action=LOGIN
service=LOGIN
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN/START (2680348008): using "default" list
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN/START (2680348008): Method=LOCAL
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN (2680348008): status = GETUSER
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN/ABORT: (2680348008) because Autoselected.
2d09h: AAA/AUTHEN: free_user (0x80B109C0) user='' ruser='' port='tty33'
rem_addr='async' authen_type=ASCII service=LOGIN priv=1
.Apr 14 13:21:04: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Async33, changed state to up
Apr 14 13:21:28: %LINK-5-CHANGED: Interface Async33, 

Re: IPSec question [7:605]

2001-04-14 Thread Javier Contreras

Hi

Most implementations only support TCP and UDP transport, OSPF will not
work. Although multicast should be posible to encrypt, but the access
list with the addresses should be correctly constructed.
Anyway, the best way to do routing over a VPN is with tunnel interfaces
and then encrypting the GRE traffic over Ipsec. This allows multicast
to be transported easily...if you need it.
I have a setup running EIGRP over Internet and works perfect

Regards

Dropped Packet wrote:
> 
> Based on what I have read, IPSec apears to work only with unicasts.  Are
> multicast routing updates, e.g., OSPF, therefore sent through in clear
text?
> Surely I'm missing something (I'm new to the security area, so my apologies
> to the security experts if this is the equiavalent of a "How do I ping"
> question)  I know about authentication of the updates via md5, my question
> is about the transfer.  Thanks
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Re: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]

2001-04-14 Thread Paul Borghese

The problem with that is not everyone is subscribed via e-mail.  You have
about 1/2 of us reading the group from a newsfeed.  Plus you have about 2000
people receiving the digest.  Finally you have a new way via the website.

Take care,

Paul
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From: "James Wilson" 
To: "Paul Borghese" ; 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 1:47 AM
Subject: RE: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]


> How about a 7 day delay of posting rights.  One week after subscribing the
> person would have to reply to a message sent to the original subscribing
> address.  For those seven days the subscriber receives posts but cannot
post
> themselves.  Most spammers use throw-away accounts that are valid for
maybe
> a day or two.  If there was a week delay the account would be closed by
then
> and the posting rights would never be verified.  It would (1) reduce if
not
> eliminate spammers with spamware that auto-acks the subscription and (2)
> force the new subscribers to sit back for a week and read the feed and get
a
> feel for the list.
>
> -
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> William of Ockham (1285-1347/49)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Paul Borghese
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]
>
>
> We need some ideas on how to block spam more efficiently.  Any
suggestions?
>
> Paul
> - Original Message -
> From: "Angel Castillo"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:24 PM
> Subject: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]
>
>
> > I am utterly offended by the previous posting regarding teen porn.  I
> > sincerely hope that all of the technical people that use this site
figure
> > out a way to "put a big brain techie hurt" on the person that posted it.
> >
> > Hopefully the webmaster has some ideas as well...
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Re: TEEN PORN SPAM... [7:543]

2001-04-14 Thread Michael Snyder

Sure,

Any email with the words nipples, vibrators, etc get redirected straight to
the fbi.gov

I'm for free speach, but gee, this belongs more on yahoo.com (grin)

Of course we could blackhole this guys IP at each NAP.

ip route host i-dot null











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RE: IP Classless [7:616]

2001-04-14 Thread Bob Vance

>10.10.32.0 is network address if the 10.0.0.0 network is masked with
> 255.0.0.0

Of course, you meant  mask 255.255.255.0   :)
Which is a common mask, even with network 10.0.0.0 .

To KISS it, I would guess that the mask being used is  255.255.0.0 ,
also a common mask for 10.0.0.0 .

One of the router's interfaces is probably

  ip address   10.10.x.y  255.255.0.0


> ip route 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 10.10.32.0

simply says that for all unknown addresses within 10.0.0.0/8 to send
them  to the router at 10.10.32.0, which he can get to because this is
on his (probable) 10.10.x.y link.

Note that this will "work" for all addresses within all, even unknown,
subnets of 10.0.0.0/8, even with

   no ip classless

set.

However, neither

  no ip classless
  ip route 8.0.0.0 128.0.0.0 10.10.32.0

nor

  no ip classless
  ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.10.32.0  !(the "classic" default route)

would work -- in the sense that any unknown subnet (that is, there are
no specific routes that are known to that subnet) address destinations
within 10.0.0.0/8 would *not* be sent to 10.10.32.0 .

This is because

   ip classless

says do not look at *any* **supernet** routes of the classful network
aggregate  -- any form of route *within* the classful network *will* be
used in the normal "longest-match" way.

Unless, of course, as we learned from John, when you're running OSPF,
wherein IOS converts to  "ip classless"  anyway :)

(Good, God!
 I know way too much about "no ip classless" == "ip clueless"
   (or at least I think I do :)
Remember my motto:  "Often wrong, but never in doubt."
   )
)

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
EA Louie
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:22 AM
To: John Brandis; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IP Classless


no ip classless means route IP over classful boundaries - you'll have to
do
your homework to learn the Class A, Class B, and Class C network
prefixes
though, mate   ;-)  However, 10.0.0.0 is a private (RFC 1918),
non-Internet-routeable Class A network

the route statement means that the route to network 10.0.0.0 is through
IP
address 10.10.32.0 (which is kind of weird, because 10.10.32.0 is
network
address if the 10.0.0.0 network is masked with 255.0.0.0, but with some
other subnet masks it would be a network rather than host address)  This
is
a classful static route, which is consistent with the no ip classless
command.

-e-

- Original Message -
From: "John Brandis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: IP Classless


> no ip classless
> ip route 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 10.10.32.0
>
> Whats this mean
>
> Thanks




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Re: Ethernet vs. Fast Ethernet [7:515]

2001-04-14 Thread Dominick Marino

The switch port shoud be matched to the host nic.  It does not matter if
port one is 10 and port two is 100 and port 3 is 10 and port 4 is 100. etc
etc etc.

Dom Marino
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> wrote:
>
> >Lock it down on both side if necessary (speed 100, duplex full, etc.,
etc.).
> >Never let the switch or router IOS defaults make the decision for you (I
bet
> >Chuck could tell you this, having just taken the CCIE lab).
Autonegotiation
> >& especially the blue flamed hotswaps- do not exist in production.
>
> So configuring for 100 won't cause problems with 10 speed devices?
> Guess I should just check it out, but actually I'm thrashing as it is.
>
> Sitting here with two 2900xl switches, one 2800, one hub,  a number of
> workstations, trying to figure the best strategy for productive
> learning.
>
> Wish I had a router, will try getting my hands on one.l
>
> Though just experimenting is a learning experience in itself.
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Re: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread Circusnuts

Any taker's yet John ???  I have never heard of such a thing...  I know the
Telco provisions virtual FDDI rings or section of bandwidth in our local DC
MAN, but ya gotta be hooked to the physical to take part.

Phil

- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:52 PM
Subject: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]


> A while back we were discussing home lab equipment purchases.  While on
> the topic of token ring, someone suggested that it was not necessary to
> buy any routers with token ring interfaces because we could make use of
> the virtual-tokenring interface.
>
> Being new to token ring and its related configurations, I'm wondering
> if any of you have heard of ways to use this successfully in a home lab
> (or any lab, for that matter.)  If I could practice with token ring and
> SRB without shelling out more bucks for two more routers I'd be quite
> pleased.
>
> any thoughts, hints, tips, or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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Re: *sigh* 2001 0413 2107 [7:621]

2001-04-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>*huge warm tight hug*  Howard dear...you are not alone.  You have all of us
>that will be by your side through this.  You have our love and our support.
>I remember a run in with the IRS back in '96 and the threat of them taking
>half my paycheck because of my ex and I was the sole supporter of my
>daughter.  I remember the tears and the arguments I had with them...because
>I was held responsible for what he owed...even though I had filed an injured
>spouse form every year that he and I were married.  The important thing here
>is that they DID finally work with me and work out an arrangement but I
>fought and fought hard.   You WILL get through this.
>
>I don't know how feasible this offer is - but please consider it.  I can
>help you with your paperwork from afar.  And, my dearest friend, it won't
>cost you a thing.  If we can work out something where you can mail your
>paperwork to me, I can work on it from here and we can correspond through
>email and phone.  Down the road...when you're back on your feetyou can
>buy me flowers.  :-)  Deal?


[Maybe there is a way, at least to reconstruct some of the records 
for expense reports. Do you have a fax or fax modem, and a copier?  I 
probably have old ones I can send if not. One enormous help would be 
to give you a list of my back expenses and get the receipts together, 
calling hotels and such as necessary. Since the actual expense entry 
is through a secure link on the computer, you probably wouldn't be 
able to actually enter them unless I can get special authorization, 
which might not be impossible. I could send letters of authorization 
for you to use to the hotels and such, and, where they won't provide 
it, you can tell me exactly what I need to get.  For the more recent 
years, the credit card stuff is mostly online and I could get you 
access.

Hey...maybe we could work in a DC vacation for the bunch of you!

Hughughug

>
>Love,
>
>Cindy/Mrs. WP
>- Original Message -
>From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:29 PM
>Subject: Tara: *sigh* 2001 0413 2107
>
>
>>  Your moderator's turn to vent.
>>
>>  George Orwell's 1984 missed reality, but had a hell of a lot of human
>>  truths.  One of the uglier truth was "Room 101," where the
>>  brainwashers would confront a subject with his or her greatest fear,
>>  the one for which there is no defense.
>>
>>  Given my love of words and books, it seems weird that my Room 101 is
>>  paper, or at least virtual paper, of the financial kind. Tax returns.
>>  Expense reports. Divorce discovery.
>>
>>  I thought I was getting my head above water a bit, ever so slowly. My
>>  accountant did get my 1997 return together, but I had to delay
>>  sending a payment for several weeks while I nagged my publisher for a
>>  scheduled advance. Actually, I was going to send it in a week or two
>>  ago, but things were pretty overwhelming with the broken ankle and a
>>  need to function while zonked on drugs.  Today, as literally I wrote
>>  a check and was addressing a FedEx envelope for the IRS, certified
>>  mail from my company showed up, with a notice of salary levy from the
>>  IRS.
>>
>>  The phone number for the collection manager with which my accountant
>>  had worked turned out to be a fax, not voice. When I called the 800
>>  number on the levy, I got an incredibly hostile woman who not only
>>  would not put me through to the manager handling the case, but kept
>>  yelling at me not to interrupt her questions...to let her dictate
>>  what was said and what an acceptable answer would be.  I called the
>>  Philadelphia service center nunber listed on the IRS web page, and
>>  got a recording that was non-working. Calling my accountant back, I
>>  got an assortment of numbers for the state-level collection and
>>  compromise sections, and they again turned out either to be out of
>>  service. Spending 20 minutes on the phone for the IRS Virginia
>>  office, I was able to get a phone number in the levy (not the
>>  compromise) section, but again could find nothing but voicemail.
>  >
>>  Enough of the details, I suppose. It seems blacker, I'm sure, going
>>  into a weekend. But the reality returns on Monday, that I am
>>  overwhelmed even by filing expense reports to my employer, going back
>>  over a year, and probably being owed at least $10,000.
>>
>>  When things worked during my marriage with Kathleen, she handled
>>  these administrative and financial matters beautifully -- as long as
>>  she felt a sense of partnership.  In the last few years, it became a
>>  battleground.
>>
>>  If I were to put it in lifestyle terms, I crave a financial domme --
>>  this is an area where I don't seem to be able to exert much control,
>>  or at least am in intense pain when I do so.  "Pain" is one word I
>>  can use, but "panic reaction" fits just as well.
>>
>>  Before the levy and the potential freeze, I wouldn't have had
>>  financial problems paying some sort of personal
>>  assistant/bo

Re: Check this one out ..... [7:537]

2001-04-14 Thread EA Louie

PVC is already used in liquid networks - it's called poly-vinyl chloride

Question - is there an upstream traffic data rate, or does all the data flow
downstream?

- Original Message -
From: chipps 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: Check this one out . [7:537]


> Yeah it could definitely work. If it is hooked up in an older house with
> metal pipes it would go over a SVC - Steel Virtual Circuit and in newer
> houses with PVC pipe it would be a PVC - Plastic Virtual Circuit.
>
> Also what does this say about all of us? Is this all we have to do late on
a
> Friday night. I guess I have been married too long.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Check this one out . [7:537]
>
>
> It sends data via water pipes, not water. That could work. Water pipes are
> ubiquitous. We could avoid tearing up roads to put in fiber-optic cabling.
> And if it's in Holland, maybe they don't see the humor. On the other hand,
> many people in Holland speak English. Also, many water pipes are actually
> made of PVC, not metal. PVC probably doesn't conduct electricity or
packets
> very well. (That's poly vinyl chloride, not permanent virtual circuits!).
>
> OK, I guess it was a joke! ;-)
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 11:36 PM 4/13/01, Luke Everett wrote:
> >You idiot, did you really think that was for real???  Sending data
> >through water for God's sake?
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Keyur Lavingia"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:54 PM
> >Subject: Check this one out . [7:537]
> >
> >
> > > Heard about IP on atm , fiber ethernet, token ring and bla bla.
> > >
> > > What about IP on water Pipes... I m not kidding.  Check out this
site..
> > >
> > > http://www.dutchwater.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > KEYUR
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RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread Raul F. Fernandez

I believe one of the papers in the certificationzone.com talks about this.
In fact it is the Token Ring paper. DUH!

Raul

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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:56 AM
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Any taker's yet John ???  I have never heard of such a thing...  I know the
Telco provisions virtual FDDI rings or section of bandwidth in our local DC
MAN, but ya gotta be hooked to the physical to take part.

Phil

- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:52 PM
Subject: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]


> A while back we were discussing home lab equipment purchases.  While on
> the topic of token ring, someone suggested that it was not necessary to
> buy any routers with token ring interfaces because we could make use of
> the virtual-tokenring interface.
>
> Being new to token ring and its related configurations, I'm wondering
> if any of you have heard of ways to use this successfully in a home lab
> (or any lab, for that matter.)  If I could practice with token ring and
> SRB without shelling out more bucks for two more routers I'd be quite
> pleased.
>
> any thoughts, hints, tips, or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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RE: Check this one out ..... [7:537]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

Off topic a long ways, but you may want to check out  " Angels Don't Play
This HAARP" or do some reading on the work of Nikola Tesla

Not that I believe any of it ;->

Chuck

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Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent:   Friday, April 13, 2001 10:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Check this one out . [7:537]

If digital information can't be sent through water using acoustic
signaling, lots of sonar and underwater telephone designers are going
to be very surprised.  In like manner, there are all sorts of means
of transmitting electromagnetic digital information through water,
such as extremely low frequency radio and blue-green lasers.  Modern
submarine operations depend on all these.

More to the point, a specific design objective of IP is that it is
independent of the underlying transmission medium.  RFC1149, the
basic specification for transmission of IP datagrams over avian
media, is actually an excellent model for explaining how IP is
encapsulated in a specific medium.



>It sends data via water pipes, not water. That could work. Water pipes are
>ubiquitous. We could avoid tearing up roads to put in fiber-optic cabling.
>And if it's in Holland, maybe they don't see the humor. On the other hand,
>many people in Holland speak English. Also, many water pipes are actually
>made of PVC, not metal. PVC probably doesn't conduct electricity or packets
>very well. (That's poly vinyl chloride, not permanent virtual circuits!).
>
>OK, I guess it was a joke! ;-)
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 11:36 PM 4/13/01, Luke Everett wrote:
>>You idiot, did you really think that was for real???  Sending data
>>through water for God's sake?
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Keyur Lavingia"
>>To:
>>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Check this one out . [7:537]
>>
>>
>>  > Heard about IP on atm , fiber ethernet, token ring and bla bla.
>>  >
>>  > What about IP on water Pipes... I m not kidding.  Check out this
site..
>>  >
>>  > http://www.dutchwater.com/
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>  > > KEYUR
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RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

Don't have time to look into this more deeply today. Try

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ibm_
c/bcprt2/bcdovnet.htm

CCO has several pages about virtual token-ring interfaces. They had
something else in mind apparently, when developing the concept. But it may
well be adaptable to a home-lab situation.

Chuck

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F. Fernandez
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I believe one of the papers in the certificationzone.com talks about this.
In fact it is the Token Ring paper. DUH!

Raul

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Any taker's yet John ???  I have never heard of such a thing...  I know the
Telco provisions virtual FDDI rings or section of bandwidth in our local DC
MAN, but ya gotta be hooked to the physical to take part.

Phil

- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:52 PM
Subject: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]


> A while back we were discussing home lab equipment purchases.  While on
> the topic of token ring, someone suggested that it was not necessary to
> buy any routers with token ring interfaces because we could make use of
> the virtual-tokenring interface.
>
> Being new to token ring and its related configurations, I'm wondering
> if any of you have heard of ways to use this successfully in a home lab
> (or any lab, for that matter.)  If I could practice with token ring and
> SRB without shelling out more bucks for two more routers I'd be quite
> pleased.
>
> any thoughts, hints, tips, or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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Re: Subject: Re: Check this one out ..... [7:608]

2001-04-14 Thread ElephantChild

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Paul Werner wrote:

> I'm looking for the next great thinker that will 
> harness the power of sea water to obviate the 
> need for the underwater cables/fiber and generate 
> almost limitless capacity/bandwidth.

You would need a whale of a carrier wave for that porpoise.

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RE: Check this one out ..... [7:537]

2001-04-14 Thread ElephantChild

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

> Even worse was the Foo Bird of certain remote Polynesian islands in 
> which the birds could spray you with the foo secretion.  If you 
> cleaned off thr e stickly foo sunstane you would intstantly die.  It 
> became even more dangeroud when the ceteaceans devlopd thr lethAL FOO 
> ABILITY where every seal could clealy foo,

*GROAN*

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RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread John Neiberger

Ouch, it hurts my head trying to read that page!I think I saw that
page when I was searching CCO for uses of the virtual token ring interface. 
It appears to be used in SNASw, but a previous post gave me the impression
that it could somehow be used for more basic token ring study.  The specific
context was that we could avoid buying token ring routers if we used this
other method.

>From what I've read so far, I still don't see how that is very feasible and
I was hoping someone out there had done this before.  I'll have to read the
CertificationZone paper again and look for that specifically.

Thanks all!

John

|  Don't have time to look into this more deeply today. Try
|  
| 
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ibm_
|  c/bcprt2/bcdovnet.htm
|  
|  CCO has several pages about virtual token-ring interfaces. They had
|  something else in mind apparently, when developing the concept. But it
may
|  well be adaptable to a home-lab situation.
|  
|  Chuck
|  
|  -Original Message-
|  From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Raul
|  F. Fernandez
|  Sent:Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:17 AM
|  To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
|  
|  I believe one of the papers in the certificationzone.com talks about
this.
|  In fact it is the Token Ring paper. DUH!
|  
|  Raul
|  
|  -Original Message-
|  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
|  Circusnuts
|  Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:56 AM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: Re: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
|  
|  
|  Any taker's yet John ???  I have never heard of such a thing...  I know
the
|  Telco provisions virtual FDDI rings or section of bandwidth in our local
DC
|  MAN, but ya gotta be hooked to the physical to take part.
|  
|  Phil
|  
|  - Original Message -
|  From: John Neiberger
|  To:
|  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:52 PM
|  Subject: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
|  
|  
|  > A while back we were discussing home lab equipment purchases.  While on
|  > the topic of token ring, someone suggested that it was not necessary to
|  > buy any routers with token ring interfaces because we could make use of
|  > the virtual-tokenring interface.
|  >
|  > Being new to token ring and its related configurations, I'm wondering
|  > if any of you have heard of ways to use this successfully in a home lab
|  > (or any lab, for that matter.)  If I could practice with token ring and
|  > SRB without shelling out more bucks for two more routers I'd be quite
|  > pleased.
|  >
|  > any thoughts, hints, tips, or suggestions?
|  >
|  > Thanks,
|  > John
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Catalyst 5000 parts "Free To A Good Home" [7:632]

2001-04-14 Thread Circusnuts

OK- now that I have your attention :o)  I have 4 blank shelves from my
recently outfitted Catalyst 5000.  They're in great shape & I would imagine
no
more than $5 or $7 to ship within the US.  I will ship international, but
only
via US Postal Service.

Thanks- I am still looking for a blank redundant power supply cover, can
anyone help here ???
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RE: Check this one out ..... [7:537]

2001-04-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
>
>>  Even worse was the Foo Bird of certain remote Polynesian islands in
>>  which the birds could spray you with the foo secretion.  If you
>>  cleaned off thr e stickly foo sunstane you would intstantly die.  It
>>  became even more dangeroud when the ceteaceans devlopd thr lethAL FOO
>>  ABILITY where every seal could clealy foo,
>
>Hmm, have you read any of Spider Robinson's _Callahan's_ series?


Of course!

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Apologies for an inappropriate post. [7:634]

2001-04-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

A personal post of mine inadvertently went to the list. My apologies 
for the disturbance.

I can only claim temporary tax insanity, Friday the 13th, a broken 
ankle and a bad cold.

Howard Berkowitz




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Re: CCIE R/S Exam "mechanics" question [7:603]

2001-04-14 Thread John Hardman

Hi

It is not true of the R/S exam.

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WCCP and Routing [7:636]

2001-04-14 Thread Kiran Kumar M

Hi,

I am using WCCP v1, and I have two links one is for uplink as well as
downlink(say Network A), and the other is only for downlink (say Network
B). And I have different 'Class C' address. Lets say X, Y, and Z.

WCCP is implemented on Serial interface where my uplink is connected. And
router and Cache (wccp box) are on Y network.

My Y (one class C ip block), is uplink on Network A, and Downlink on
Netowrk B.

The router I am using is Cisco, and Netapp Cache machine.

With the above setup I want to achieve the following tasks..

I want to pass X ( 256 Ips) network through Network A for uplink, and
Downlink also from Network A. And the Z (256 IPs) should pass through
Network A for uplink, and Downlink should from Netwrok B.

Thanks,
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subnets [7:638]

2001-04-14 Thread SH Wesson

Our existing network consists of a flat network at 172.16.0.0 with a mask of 
255.255.0.0 and 172.31.0.0 with a mask of 255.255.0.0.  Since it is flat, 
the networks are 172.16.2.0 - 172.16.12.0 mask 255.255.0.0.  EIGRP is 
running.  Now, the question I have is, if I create new subnets to segment 
the place with networks like 172.20.10.0, 172.20.11.0, 172.12.0, etc all 
with masks of 255.255.255.0 and if I run EIGRP also.  If I were to run both 
the above networks at once and within the same EIGRP process, would it cause 
any problems.  Thanks.


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CCNA Question (welcome challenger) [7:637]

2001-04-14 Thread Victim

Q1 You have just rebooted your router with a boot host or boot network
command. What command would you type for your router to always boot like
that from now on?


Q2 If you are using CIDR, what must each IP carry with it ?




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CCIE Written [7:639]

2001-04-14 Thread SH Wesson

Can anyone give some advice as to what is the best book to use for the CCIE 
written.  Thanks.
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Cisco Question [7:640]

2001-04-14 Thread Victim

Exam 1.11. Which three statements about Cisco Implementation of IP routing
are ture:

a. Routers can learn next hops dynamically
b. IP routing is disabled by default on Cisco routers
c. Routers can learn next hops through static routes
d. Entering ip route in global configuration mode enables IP routing
e. Routers learn next hops by receiving periodic updates from other routers




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Re: RE: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR? [7:554]

2001-04-14 Thread Victim

what is CIR?

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> However, one thing to consider is that CIR at any given point doesn't mean
> that you have that end-to-end CIR.  Of course, without at least having the
> port speed at your given CIR, you'll never go faster, but having the local
> FR switch's CIR from 'show frame map' is useful.
>
> Consider this:
> PFI-LIV-3640#sh frame map
> Serial3/0.20 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 20(0x14,0x440), broadcast, BW
=
> 64096
>   status defined, active
> Serial3/0.22 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 22(0x16,0x460), broadcast, BW
=
> 64000
>   status defined, active
> Serial3/0.19 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 19(0x13,0x430), broadcast, BW
=
> 128000
>   status defined, active
> Serial3/0.18 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 18(0x12,0x420), broadcast, BW
=
> 384000
>   status defined, active
> Serial3/0.17 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 17(0x11,0x410), broadcast, BW
=
> 128000
>   status defined, active
> Serial3/0.23 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 23(0x17,0x470), broadcast, BW
=
> 64000
>   status defined, active
> Serial3/0.21 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 21(0x15,0x450), broadcast, BW
=
> 64096
>   status defined, active
>
> What's the total CIR for Serial3 into the cloud?  If you total it, it's
> 896K.  That's way over-provisioned as this customer only has 8 64K CIR
(128K
> BE) links, which means the max they can pump CIR from the endpoints is 512
> CIR.  With Burst it's 1024, but since the far ends are guaranteed anything
> beyond CIR, it's not really that worth while.
>
> Of course, I'll have to call the FR carrier Monday and find out what is
> really provisioned (always the best way, at least that way you're getting
it
> from the horse's mouth, even if they're lying).  The customer has no real
> clue, as usual.
>
> Also, some of the FR switches at the remote ends show BW statements, but
> more than half (the more rural areas) do not, so it's only useful if
you've
> got a newer route that supports it.
>
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> > Positive it is from the frame switch that is sent via LMI
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:56 AM
> > To: Greg Owens
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: RE: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> >
> > Are you sure that information isn't just taken from the "bandwidth"
> > statements on the subinterfaces?
> >
> >
> > Greg Owens  wrote:
> > > Sh frame map will show u the CIR
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Stephen Skinner
> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:45 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> >
> > your CIR (Committed information rate) is supplied by your SP ...you and
> him
> > agree how much you can have( depending on how much you pay)
> > usually the person setting up your router sets the "BANDWIDTH"
command
> > to the CIR+ BR (burst rate) I.E how high you CAN go up to for a limited
> > amount of time ..again your service provider has set this for you
> .
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > steve
> >
> >
> > >From: "David Gollop"
> > >Reply-To: "David Gollop"
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:29:40 -
> > >
> > >Hi..  How to determine the CIR of a frame relay line?  Like Result
shown
> > >below, what is the CIR?  How do I increase the CIR?  Do we have to
> contact
> > >the Frame relay provider?  What is the difference between CIR and EIR??
> > >
> > >
> > >SIN01#sh int s1/1.19
> > >Serial1/1.19 is up, line protocol is up
> > >  Hardware is M4T
> > >  Description: ---  Connects to JKT01 Ser0.2 ---
> > >  Internet address is 50.200.243.25/30
> > >  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 2048 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
> > > reliability 255/255, txload 2/255, rxload 2/255
> > >  Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY IETF
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What is your opinion on "cisco fire / umemploy staff " ?




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Which Job post get most money!? [7:643]

2001-04-14 Thread Victim

Pls suggest.




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RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

I still struggle with the question of whether the token rotates in 
the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere.

If so, would no IBM LAN operate precisely on the equator?




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Re: CCIE Written [7:639]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

You mean books.  Why not start with the CCIE R&S Qualification Exam
(Written) Recommended Reading List?

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html#34

The Blueprint would also make for a good starting place for your book
purchasing/online studying:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/rsblueprint.html

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Re: Cisco Question [7:640]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

If 3 must be true, I'd say start with getting rid of the ones that aren't:
Routing is enabled by default (may not have always been true, but as of
12.x)
The command to enable routing is 'ip routing'

That leaves you with three left.  Of course, the exam could be wrong.  a,c,e
sound correct though, just skimming and not thinking too hard.

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> a. Routers can learn next hops dynamically
> b. IP routing is disabled by default on Cisco routers
> c. Routers can learn next hops through static routes
> d. Entering ip route in global configuration mode enables IP routing
> e. Routers learn next hops by receiving periodic updates from other
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Re: subnets [7:638]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

I can't any reason why it wouldn't work.  The only thing I would mention is
that older IOS using EIGRP doesn't allow you to specify a mask with the
network command, and wouldn't allow you to be granular with your networks if
you don't want to specify all of them to be known in EIGRP.  If you want all
the networks in your EIGRP tables, then it'll work just fine.  You might
also need to consider 'no auto-summary,' depending on how well you've
planned (or rather, if there is a lack of planning and summarization will
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> Our existing network consists of a flat network at 172.16.0.0 with a mask
of
> 255.255.0.0 and 172.31.0.0 with a mask of 255.255.0.0.  Since it is flat,
> the networks are 172.16.2.0 - 172.16.12.0 mask 255.255.0.0.  EIGRP is
> running.  Now, the question I have is, if I create new subnets to segment
> the place with networks like 172.20.10.0, 172.20.11.0, 172.12.0, etc all
> with masks of 255.255.255.0 and if I run EIGRP also.  If I were to run
both
> the above networks at once and within the same EIGRP process, would it
cause
> any problems.  Thanks.
>
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Re: Which Job post get most money!? [7:643]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

Check some online job posting places and just see what's going for what
salary.
http://www.dice.com/

Location and its market demand is going to influence things heavily as well,
so you should also consult a salary/cost-of-living calculator if it looks
like you might be moving.
http://www.homefair.com/calc/salcalc.html?NETSCAPE_LIVEWIRE.src=homefair

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Re: RE: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR? [7:554]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

Committed Information Rate.  Read up on Frame Relay if you want to pick up
what we're talking about.

Step-by-step for those new to CCO:
http://cisco.com
Technical Support Help -- Cisco TAC
Technologies
WAN Frame Relay
http://cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/PSP/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworking:Frame_Re
lay

Once you've read up on a topic, check out some sample configs (starting at
the TAC link above):
Install & Configure
TAC Technical Tips/Sample Configurations
WAN Technologies
Frame Relay http://cisco.com/warp/public/125/index.shtml

I think the best thing anyone looking to pursue a Cisco career is to learn
CCO, specifically TAC and the UniverCD sections.  It's all there, and free.
I'd also suggest getting a CCO login as not everything is available to the
public (but all the basic items are).  They're also free, and if you don't
work for a Cisco partner, you can sign up as a consultant.
http://www.cisco.com/register/help/consultant.htm
http://www.cisco.com/register/

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> what is CIR?
>
> "Jason J. Roysdon"  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > However, one thing to consider is that CIR at any given point doesn't
mean
> > that you have that end-to-end CIR.  Of course, without at least having
the
> > port speed at your given CIR, you'll never go faster, but having the
local
> > FR switch's CIR from 'show frame map' is useful.
> >
> > Consider this:
> > PFI-LIV-3640#sh frame map
> > Serial3/0.20 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 20(0x14,0x440), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 64096
> >   status defined, active
> > Serial3/0.22 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 22(0x16,0x460), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 64000
> >   status defined, active
> > Serial3/0.19 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 19(0x13,0x430), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 128000
> >   status defined, active
> > Serial3/0.18 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 18(0x12,0x420), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 384000
> >   status defined, active
> > Serial3/0.17 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 17(0x11,0x410), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 128000
> >   status defined, active
> > Serial3/0.23 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 23(0x17,0x470), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 64000
> >   status defined, active
> > Serial3/0.21 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 21(0x15,0x450), broadcast,
BW
> =
> > 64096
> >   status defined, active
> >
> > What's the total CIR for Serial3 into the cloud?  If you total it, it's
> > 896K.  That's way over-provisioned as this customer only has 8 64K CIR
> (128K
> > BE) links, which means the max they can pump CIR from the endpoints is
512
> > CIR.  With Burst it's 1024, but since the far ends are guaranteed
anything
> > beyond CIR, it's not really that worth while.
> >
> > Of course, I'll have to call the FR carrier Monday and find out what is
> > really provisioned (always the best way, at least that way you're
getting
> it
> > from the horse's mouth, even if they're lying).  The customer has no
real
> > clue, as usual.
> >
> > Also, some of the FR switches at the remote ends show BW statements, but
> > more than half (the more rural areas) do not, so it's only useful if
> you've
> > got a newer route that supports it.
> >
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> >
> >
> > ""Greg Owens""  wrote in message
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> > > Positive it is from the frame switch that is sent via LMI
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:56 AM
> > > To: Greg Owens
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: RE: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> > >
> > > Are you sure that information isn't just taken from the "bandwidth"
> > > statements on the subinterfaces?
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg Owens  wrote:
> > > > Sh frame map will show u the CIR
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Stephen Skinner
> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:45 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: How to determine CIR and increase CIR of FR?
> > >
> > > your CIR (Committed information rate) is supplied by your SP ...you
and
> > him
> > > agree how much you can have( depending on how much you pay)
> > > usually the person setting up your router sets the "BANDWIDTH"
> command
> > > to the CIR+ BR (burst rate) I.E how high you CAN go up to for a
limited
> > > amount of time ..again your service provider has set this for you
> > .
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "David Gollop"
> > > >Reply-To: "David Gollop"
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Re: Which Job post get most money!? [7:643]

2001-04-14 Thread Victim

So, i  can know which job post ( e.g. System administrator / Network
engineer) get what salary from the following website?

Thanks.

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> salary.
> http://www.dice.com/
>
> Location and its market demand is going to influence things heavily as
well,
> so you should also consult a salary/cost-of-living calculator if it looks
> like you might be moving.
> http://www.homefair.com/calc/salcalc.html?NETSCAPE_LIVEWIRE.src=homefair
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Re: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread Circusnuts

Do they have a paper of "DUH ???" as Raul suggests I pursue that one too :o)

Phil

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Subject: RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]


> Don't have time to look into this more deeply today. Try
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ibm_
> c/bcprt2/bcdovnet.htm
>
> CCO has several pages about virtual token-ring interfaces. They had
> something else in mind apparently, when developing the concept. But it may
> well be adaptable to a home-lab situation.
>
> Chuck
>
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Raul
> F. Fernandez
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>
> I believe one of the papers in the certificationzone.com talks about this.
> In fact it is the Token Ring paper. DUH!
>
> Raul
>
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>
>
> Any taker's yet John ???  I have never heard of such a thing...  I know
the
> Telco provisions virtual FDDI rings or section of bandwidth in our local
DC
> MAN, but ya gotta be hooked to the physical to take part.
>
> Phil
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Neiberger
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:52 PM
> Subject: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
>
>
> > A while back we were discussing home lab equipment purchases.  While on
> > the topic of token ring, someone suggested that it was not necessary to
> > buy any routers with token ring interfaces because we could make use of
> > the virtual-tokenring interface.
> >
> > Being new to token ring and its related configurations, I'm wondering
> > if any of you have heard of ways to use this successfully in a home lab
> > (or any lab, for that matter.)  If I could practice with token ring and
> > SRB without shelling out more bucks for two more routers I'd be quite
> > pleased.
> >
> > any thoughts, hints, tips, or suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
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Urgent job opening [7:655]

2001-04-14 Thread Leonid Shnayder

Urgent job opening for 3 Senior Network Engineers
in Richardson, TX. Responsibilities include system
integration and supervision/management of 27 people.
Three-month project. Qualifications required:
1. Nortel Expert DMS 250&ISDN
2.ASPECT  Com. Devices (call center)
3.GOTEL Boxes

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NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]

2001-04-14 Thread Fred Danson

Hey Group,

I am considering buying a small Netgear/Linksys router so I can link my 
computer, terminal server, and power supply to the internet through my cable 
modem using NAT (actually it would be considered NAT overload or PAT, but 
Netgear and Linksys call it NAT). All of the Netgear/Linksys advertisements 
that I have seen are very vague about their NAT capabilities.

My goal is to have the ability to telnet to any of my inside devices from an 
outside location. To do this, I would need to setup static PAT tables, 
right? Does anyone know if any of these small routers support this?

Thanks in advance,
Fred
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Re: Which Job post get most money!? [7:643]

2001-04-14 Thread ElephantChild

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Victim wrote:

> So, i  can know which job post ( e.g. System administrator / Network
> engineer) get what salary from the following website?

Only if you actually go look at it. And FYI, after you look at it, you
probably won't have to ask that question. :-)

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> > salary.
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RE: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]

2001-04-14 Thread Dave

Yes.  I have attached the web page that supplies the interface for that on
my Linksys router.

Dave



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Hey Group,

I am considering buying a small Netgear/Linksys router so I can link my
computer, terminal server, and power supply to the internet through my cable
modem using NAT (actually it would be considered NAT overload or PAT, but
Netgear and Linksys call it NAT). All of the Netgear/Linksys advertisements
that I have seen are very vague about their NAT capabilities.

My goal is to have the ability to telnet to any of my inside devices from an
outside location. To do this, I would need to setup static PAT tables,
right? Does anyone know if any of these small routers support this?

Thanks in advance,
Fred
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RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread ElephantChild

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

> I still struggle with the question of whether the token rotates in 
> the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere.

It does, except when you lift your whole network gently and flip it
upside down.

> If so, would no IBM LAN operate precisely on the equator?

(dons DrScience hat)
You must be thinking of FDDI. Normally, tokens go round and round in the
2 rings, one clockwise and one counterclockwise, and go past each other
without ever touching. However, when they would otherwise cross the
equator, tokens reverse direction and switch rings. Sometimes, when that
happens, they collide and give birth to exotic MAC layer protocols,
which scientists like me study and write long monographs about. Thus
were such wonders as BRAP and MLMA discoverd. 

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Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Up_and_Up

Hi All,

HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
 EtherSerial  Ether

If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost between R1
and R2 - who resends?

I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon answer
was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link layer
protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay, and
Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error correction or
retransmission."

The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and wanted
some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
from BrainBuzz.com at the link:

http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/

The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the the
packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.

I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I have
learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.

Thanks to all who answer,
Sean




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Re: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]

2001-04-14 Thread Kevin Wigle

The linksys lets you do port redirection.

So you can point port 80 at one server.

Point port 21 to another server and port 23 to yet another.

I haven't experimented with what happens if you point the same port to two
different internal Ip addresses probably your best would be to
change the ports so each device has a different port.

Then you would telnet to w.x.y.z:port

Or, telnet to one inside device and then use it to telnet to others.

I have 2 linksys boxes, one for Cable and one for ADSL.

Kevin Wigle

- Original Message -
From: "Fred Danson" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, 14 April, 2001 16:24
Subject: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]


> Hey Group,
>
> I am considering buying a small Netgear/Linksys router so I can link my
> computer, terminal server, and power supply to the internet through my
cable
> modem using NAT (actually it would be considered NAT overload or PAT, but
> Netgear and Linksys call it NAT). All of the Netgear/Linksys
advertisements
> that I have seen are very vague about their NAT capabilities.
>
> My goal is to have the ability to telnet to any of my inside devices from
an
> outside location. To do this, I would need to setup static PAT tables,
> right? Does anyone know if any of these small routers support this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Fred
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Re: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]

2001-04-14 Thread Carroll Kong

At 04:24 PM 4/14/01 -0400, Fred Danson wrote:
>Hey Group,
>
>I am considering buying a small Netgear/Linksys router so I can link my
>computer, terminal server, and power supply to the internet through my cable
>modem using NAT (actually it would be considered NAT overload or PAT, but
>Netgear and Linksys call it NAT). All of the Netgear/Linksys advertisements
>that I have seen are very vague about their NAT capabilities.
>
>My goal is to have the ability to telnet to any of my inside devices from an
>outside location. To do this, I would need to setup static PAT tables,
>right? Does anyone know if any of these small routers support this?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Fred

Actually, I think according to the RFCs, it should be called NAPT.  (refer 
to RFC2663).  I think Cisco is the only one who calls it NAT overload / 
PAT.  Others lump it into NAT.  ;)  Well, as long a we understand each 
other it does not really matter on the semantics.

The small routers do allow for static maps.  Although I have heard of 
slight reliability issues with some applications (this is beyond the usual 
problems with NAPT).  They even allow for "DMZ" mode, which is really just 
a static map for inbound connections.  So that would definitely let you do 
what you want.  A lot of my friends who have it insist that it does allow 
for static maps so you can redirect externalip:port into 
internalip:port.  That might give you a more fine tuned level of control.

I am sure a Unix Box using IPFilter or Natd (FreeBSD) would probably do 
much better than these boxes, or a cisco box.  However,  the price of these 
NAPT routers is quite amazing and definitely cheaper than the other 
solutions I mentioned.  (the unix box issue being more of a learning curve 
rather than raw parts, and even with the big price drops, hard to build a 
decent PC for $200 bucks, eh?).

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Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Hi All,
>
>HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
>  EtherSerial  Ether
>
>If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost between R1
>and R2 - who resends?
>
>I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon answer
>was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link layer
>protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay, and
>Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error correction or
>retransmission."

In general, I'd say Host A.  The difficulty, however, is that there 
is no absolute rule for what hosts do and what routers do.  It's a 
question of the specific protocols in use.

If, for example, the Ethernet between R1 and R2 were running X.25 
(not a common configuration, but specified in ISO 8880), R1 would 
retransmit.

I can come up with even weirder configurations involving multiple 
levels of tunneling, but, if it is an IP environment, hosts are 
architecturally responsible for the reliability of communications. I 
used words very carefully there -- I'm not saying "reliable" but 
simply the appropriate level of reliability.  If, for example, the 
hosts are running a UDP-based application such as streaming video, no 
one will retransmit.

Again, the IP architecture assumes the default behavior of 
retransmission, if done at all, is done in hosts.  Routers retransmit 
only when they are using data link protocols that specifically 
retransmit (e.g., SDLC and LAP-B), or when they are acting as a host 
(e.g., as a protocol converter or endpoint of a reliable tunnel).

>
>The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and wanted
>some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
>from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
>
>http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
>
>The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the the
>packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.
>
>I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I have
>learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.
>
>Thanks to all who answer,
>Sean
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Good Free Books Links [7:666]

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Re: test [7:421]

2001-04-14 Thread Up_and_Up

test again
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Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Up_and_Up

Cool, thanks for the confirmation and the education.

Funny thing, I'm using your Designing Routing and Switching book as one of
my references.

Thanks again,
Sean C.
CCNP, CCDP, MCSE


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> >Hi All,
> >
> >HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
> >  EtherSerial  Ether
> >
> >If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost between R1
> >and R2 - who resends?
> >
> >I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon
answer
> >was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link layer
> >protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay, and
> >Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error correction or
> >retransmission."
>
> In general, I'd say Host A.  The difficulty, however, is that there
> is no absolute rule for what hosts do and what routers do.  It's a
> question of the specific protocols in use.
>
> If, for example, the Ethernet between R1 and R2 were running X.25
> (not a common configuration, but specified in ISO 8880), R1 would
> retransmit.
>
> I can come up with even weirder configurations involving multiple
> levels of tunneling, but, if it is an IP environment, hosts are
> architecturally responsible for the reliability of communications. I
> used words very carefully there -- I'm not saying "reliable" but
> simply the appropriate level of reliability.  If, for example, the
> hosts are running a UDP-based application such as streaming video, no
> one will retransmit.
>
> Again, the IP architecture assumes the default behavior of
> retransmission, if done at all, is done in hosts.  Routers retransmit
> only when they are using data link protocols that specifically
> retransmit (e.g., SDLC and LAP-B), or when they are acting as a host
> (e.g., as a protocol converter or endpoint of a reliable tunnel).
>
> >
> >The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and
wanted
> >some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
> >from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
> >
> >http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
> >
> >The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the the
> >packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.
> >
> >I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I have
> >learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.
> >
> >Thanks to all who answer,
> >Sean
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http://www.intelinfo.com/free_computer_books.html (free [7:669]

2001-04-14 Thread Jennifer Cribbs

I posted the link in the subject.  I know my mail is going through, but the 
links seem to be ommitted.

Don't know why.

Jenn

Have a great day!
Jenn




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RE: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]

2001-04-14 Thread Ken Claussen

Fred,
My experience is with the Netgear RT314, but the Linksys 1/4/8 port Cable
Modem Router/switch perform almost the same function. These routers allow
for port redirection true, but there is one small caveat. If I understand
correctly you want to telnet to several different boxes inside your network
from outside. You can accomplish this, but not directly. These routers only
allow for port forwarding of any single port to any single host, different
ports may go to different host true, but you may only port forward telnet to
a single machine on your internal network. However you could setup that
machine to then telnet to all your other internal hosts. From a security
perspective this would be more secure because you are only directly exposing
a single host to the outside. The filters, although difficult to setup in
some cases, allow for quite robust filtering/logging (Linksys does not
support syslog, Netgear does). The routers are also usually pretty secure
out of the box, although I would recommend adjusting the filters to drop ALL
Source-Routed packets and ALL RFC 1918 addresses that originate from outside
the router. These are the two biggest weaknesses of these little routers,
otherwise they make an excellent first layer of defense, especially when
used with some host based firewall such as Zone Alarm or Black Ice. I use it
for my terminal server and a webserver and it has server me extremely well.
So far I have not seen any security advisories concerning any of these
devices, check www.practicallynetworked.com for more in depth reviews and
performance comparisons of the different models/manufacturers, it is an
excellent site.

PS I have a Cisco 1605R 12.1(5)T and I am using it alongside my Netgear
RT314, so far I have not been able to find a way to "Port Forward" on the
Cisco Device. I am using DHCP to get an address from my Cable Provider and
that works great, but I cannot "Map" a port to an internal address. I would
love for someone to correct me on a way to do this, AFAIK this is one of the
only advantages these little $100-$200 Cable Modem routers have over there
big brother Cisco routers. Otherwise they have less RAM/CPU resources and
are not hardware upgradeable.

Ken Claussen MCSE CCNA CCA
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Subject: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]


Hey Group,

I am considering buying a small Netgear/Linksys router so I can link my 
computer, terminal server, and power supply to the internet through my cable

modem using NAT (actually it would be considered NAT overload or PAT, but 
Netgear and Linksys call it NAT). All of the Netgear/Linksys advertisements 
that I have seen are very vague about their NAT capabilities.

My goal is to have the ability to telnet to any of my inside devices from an

outside location. To do this, I would need to setup static PAT tables, 
right? Does anyone know if any of these small routers support this?

Thanks in advance,
Fred
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Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Cool, thanks for the confirmation and the education.
>
>Funny thing, I'm using your Designing Routing and Switching book as one of
>my references.
>
>Thanks again,
>Sean C.
>CCNP, CCDP, MCSE

One who references such works can do no wrong.  :-)

Seriously, I had been about to follow up anyway. You make the valid 
point that there can be conflicting opinions in books and review 
guides, which often come down to opinion.

While the Internet is, to some extent, a matter of opinion, there are 
some reasonably definitive things to look at. Admittedly, they are 
written for protocol developers, and may not be the most readable 
things in the world.  But above all, look at RFC 1812, "Requirements 
for IPv4 Routers," which takes a different perspective than the 
individual protocols -- instead, it deals with what this thing called 
a router is supposed to do.

The editor of 1812 is Fred Baker, who just stepped down as the very 
long-term chair of the IETF. I was at the "changing of the guard" at 
the Minneapolis IETF last month, and I have to say there was a lot of 
emotion in the room as Fred turned it over to Harald Alvestad. Fred 
done good.  Fred is also a Cisco employee, so 1812 should generally 
be consistent with Cisco usage.

The Internet doesn't have a formal architectural specification in the 
same sense as does OSI, but a great deal of underlying work gets 
pulled together in RFC 1958, "Architectural Principles of the 
Internet."   Brian Carpenter edited it for the IAB.

At the level of the IAB, it will be freely admitted that there are 
lots of architectural violations in the real world, many of which 
serve useful purposes. You can follow the ongoing discussions in the 
IETF, in such groups as midbox (the broad implications of NAT, 
proxies, tunnels, etc., as opposed to the specific protocols of each 
of these) and the sub-IP temporary area (dealing with the 
relationship of IP to specific transmission systems and things like 
MPLS).

>
>
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>>  >Hi All,
>>  >
>>  >HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
>>  >  EtherSerial  Ether
>>  >
>>  >If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost between
R1
>>  >and R2 - who resends?
>>  >
>>  >I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon
>answer
>>  >was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link layer
>>  >protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay, and
>>  >Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error correction
or
>>  >retransmission."
>>
>>  In general, I'd say Host A.  The difficulty, however, is that there
>>  is no absolute rule for what hosts do and what routers do.  It's a
>>  question of the specific protocols in use.
>>
>>  If, for example, the Ethernet between R1 and R2 were running X.25
>>  (not a common configuration, but specified in ISO 8880), R1 would
>>  retransmit.
>>
>>  I can come up with even weirder configurations involving multiple
>>  levels of tunneling, but, if it is an IP environment, hosts are
>>  architecturally responsible for the reliability of communications. I
>>  used words very carefully there -- I'm not saying "reliable" but
>>  simply the appropriate level of reliability.  If, for example, the
>>  hosts are running a UDP-based application such as streaming video, no
>>  one will retransmit.
>>
>>  Again, the IP architecture assumes the default behavior of
>>  retransmission, if done at all, is done in hosts.  Routers retransmit
>>  only when they are using data link protocols that specifically
>>  retransmit (e.g., SDLC and LAP-B), or when they are acting as a host
>>  (e.g., as a protocol converter or endpoint of a reliable tunnel).
>>
>>  >
>>  >The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and
>wanted
>>  >some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
>>  >from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
>>  >
>>  >http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
>  > >
>>  >The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the the
>>  >packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.
>>  >
>>  >I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I have
>>  >learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.
>>  >
>>  >Thanks to all who answer,
>  > >Sean




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RE: back to back cables [7:527]

2001-04-14 Thread Ray Mosely

It's simple.  Cisco doesn't, to my knowledge,
make a back to back cable.  I'm not allowed to
order a third party cable.
Ray M.

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:42 PM
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Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]


Do I even dare ask why you are allowed to use two regular cables but not
a back to back cable?

Hmm... while writing that I just thought of one good reason.  Whenever
I order a back-to-back cable I usually get an RS-232 cable.  This would
tend to limit the clock rate between the two routers.  If I needed a
higher speed I'd have to find a V.35 back to back cable which seem to be
harder to find.

If you want V.35:

CAB-V35MT=
CAB-V35FC=

If you want RS-232:

CAB-232MT=
CAB-232FC=

HTH,
John

>>> "Ray Mosely"  4/13/01 4:29:14 PM >>>
I'm sorry to bring up this old old old
thread, but I'm in a situation where I
need a back to back cable for some 2501's,
but I'm not allowed to use a back to back
cable.

There are two bona fide Cisco cables which
can be hooked together to make one back
to back cable (at three times the price
of a back to back).  Anybody know the
part numbers of the Cisco cables?  It's
for back to back on the WAN ports.

Thanks,
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Re: Cisco fire staff [7:641]

2001-04-14 Thread xc

2 months automatic severance, plus another 4 months for signing their
severance agreement?  So a total of 6 months severance? Damn good deal.

 I am no raving Cisco fanatic, and I certainly don't mean to offend any
ex-Cisco employees who may be reading this,  but lots of companies are
cutting back now, and I rarely hear of a severance deal as good as Cisco's.

 This stands in stark contrast to some of the dot-gone dotcoms, as profiled
on fuc*edcompany.com,  where not only were there people getting canned
without any warning and without their promised severance, but also there are
instances of people being screwed out of back-pay and expenses, given
severance checks that bounced, etc.   I should know, my former dotcom went
under and still owed employees several months (!) of backpay and expenses.

So in light of all this, I still consider Cisco one of the good guys.



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I need Help!!! Kindly help me(OSPF Virtual links) [7:674]

2001-04-14 Thread Shahid Muhammad Shafi

Hi Guys.
I am configuring a virtual link between two OSPF
routers but it is not working at all. I am sending u
the configuration and diagram here;. Any help and
pinters will be appreciated.

Regards
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Current configuration:
!
version 10.2
service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname catbert
!
enable password lab
!
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.168.3.126 255.255.255.224
!
interface Ethernet1
ip address 192.168.3.62 255.255.255.224
!
interface Ethernet2
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet3
ip address 192.168.21.120 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet4
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet5
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet6
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet7
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet8
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet9
ip address 192.168.90.1 255.255.255.0
shutdown
!
interface Ethernet10
ip address 192.168.100.1 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet11
ip address 192.168.80.1 255.255.255.0
!
interface Fddi0
no ip address
no keepalive
shutdown
!
interface Hssi0
no ip address
shutdown
!
router ospf 1
network 192.168.3.32 0.0.0.31 area 2
network 192.168.3.96 0.0.0.31 area 2
!
no logging console
!
!
line con 0
exec-timeout 0 0
password lab
login
line aux 0
password lab
login
transport input all
line vty 0 4
password lab
login
!
end





Current configuration:
!
version 10.2
!
hostname breckenridge
!
enable password lab
!
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.168.3.97 255.255.255.224
!
interface Ethernet1
ip address 192.168.3.94 255.255.255.224
!
router ospf 1
network 192.168.3.96 0.0.0.31 area 2
network 192.168.3.64 0.0.0.31 area 2
!

Current configuration:
!
version 11.0
service udp-small-servers
service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname aspen
!
enable password lab
!
!
interface Loopback0
 ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet0
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Ethernet1
 ip address 192.168.3.33 255.255.255.224
!
interface Ethernet2
 --More--
%OSPF-4-ERRRCV: Received invalid packet: mismatch area ID, from backbone
area mu
st be virtual-link but not found from 192.168.2.254, Ethernet3

 shutdown
!
interface Ethernet3
 ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet4
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Ethernet5
 ip address 192.168.3.65 255.255.255.224
!
interface Ethernet6
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Ethernet7
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Fddi0
 no ip address
 --More--


router ospf 1
 network 192.168.3.32 0.0.0.31 area 2
 network 192.168.3.64 0.0.0.31 area 2
 network 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1
 area 2 range 192.168.3.0 255.255.255.0
 area 1 virtual-link 1.1.1.1
!
logging console notifications
!
!
line con 0
line aux 0
 transport input all
line vty 0 4
 login
!
end

enable password lab
!
!
interface Loopback0
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet0
 ip address 192.168.1.254 255.255.255.0
 no keepalive
!
interface Ethernet1
 ip address 192.168.2.1 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet2
 --More--

router ospf 1
 network 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
 network 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1
 area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2


Current configuration:
!
version 10.2
service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname dogbert
!
enable password lab
!
!
interface Loopback0
ip address 3.3.3.3 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.168.2.254 255.255.255.0
!
interface Ethernet1
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Fddi0
no ip address
no keepalive
shutdown
!
interface Hssi0
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Serial0
no ip address
shutdown
!
interface Serial1
no ip address
shutdown
!
router ospf 1
network 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
!
!
!
line con 0
line aux 0
transport input all
 --More--

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CCNP Books [7:675]

2001-04-14 Thread Davy

Hello, Group

Is anyone intersting in CCNP books?
I passed CCNP2.0 and am selling cisco press books on ebay. Go and bid..

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1423949472

Davy




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Would double telnet work? [7:676]

2001-04-14 Thread Fred Danson

Hey Group,

This is a continuation of the NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys 
router Post. I am curious, would it be possible for me to do a telnet from 
my remote site to the small router, and then do another telnet from the 
small router to the inside devices? This would pretty much be a double 
telnet (if there is such a thing). Does anyone know if most of these small 
routers support outgoing telnet sessions?

Thanks again for the help,
Fred
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Re: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

ip nat inside source static udp 192.168.1.254 23 63.1.1.1 23

Works just fine on my 1605R.  You could also redirect to the same port on
multiple inside devices by using different outside ports (same as with the
Linksys and no doubt the Netgear):

ip nat inside source static udp 192.168.1.254 23 63.1.1.1 23
ip nat inside source static udp 192.168.1.253 23 63.1.1.1 22
ip nat inside source static udp 192.168.1.252 23 63.1.1.1 21

The only Cisco product at the moment that doesn't support port redirection
is the PIX, and even that feature will be added soon.

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> Fred,
> My experience is with the Netgear RT314, but the Linksys 1/4/8 port Cable
> Modem Router/switch perform almost the same function. These routers allow
> for port redirection true, but there is one small caveat. If I understand
> correctly you want to telnet to several different boxes inside your
network
> from outside. You can accomplish this, but not directly. These routers
only
> allow for port forwarding of any single port to any single host, different
> ports may go to different host true, but you may only port forward telnet
to
> a single machine on your internal network. However you could setup that
> machine to then telnet to all your other internal hosts. From a security
> perspective this would be more secure because you are only directly
exposing
> a single host to the outside. The filters, although difficult to setup in
> some cases, allow for quite robust filtering/logging (Linksys does not
> support syslog, Netgear does). The routers are also usually pretty secure
> out of the box, although I would recommend adjusting the filters to drop
ALL
> Source-Routed packets and ALL RFC 1918 addresses that originate from
outside
> the router. These are the two biggest weaknesses of these little routers,
> otherwise they make an excellent first layer of defense, especially when
> used with some host based firewall such as Zone Alarm or Black Ice. I use
it
> for my terminal server and a webserver and it has server me extremely
well.
> So far I have not seen any security advisories concerning any of these
> devices, check www.practicallynetworked.com for more in depth reviews and
> performance comparisons of the different models/manufacturers, it is an
> excellent site.
>
> PS I have a Cisco 1605R 12.1(5)T and I am using it alongside my Netgear
> RT314, so far I have not been able to find a way to "Port Forward" on the
> Cisco Device. I am using DHCP to get an address from my Cable Provider and
> that works great, but I cannot "Map" a port to an internal address. I
would
> love for someone to correct me on a way to do this, AFAIK this is one of
the
> only advantages these little $100-$200 Cable Modem routers have over there
> big brother Cisco routers. Otherwise they have less RAM/CPU resources and
> are not hardware upgradeable.
>
> Ken Claussen MCSE CCNA CCA
> "The Mind is a Terrible thing to Waste!"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Fred Danson
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys router [7:657]
>
>
> Hey Group,
>
> I am considering buying a small Netgear/Linksys router so I can link my
> computer, terminal server, and power supply to the internet through my
cable
>
> modem using NAT (actually it would be considered NAT overload or PAT, but
> Netgear and Linksys call it NAT). All of the Netgear/Linksys
advertisements
> that I have seen are very vague about their NAT capabilities.
>
> My goal is to have the ability to telnet to any of my inside devices from
an
>
> outside location. To do this, I would need to setup static PAT tables,
> right? Does anyone know if any of these small routers support this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Fred




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Re: back to back cables [7:527]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

I'm looking at a cable in my lab, CAB-HD60MMX-5, which is a nice short cable
(5ft) and is DTE 60 pin on one side and DCE 60 pin on the other.  It's got
the Cisco blue and the housing looks just like my other Cisco back-to-back
cable which is actually a DCE-to-v.35 & v.35-to-DTE cable (the only thing
it's missing is a Cisco logo, but not all Cisco gear has the logo).  That's
a Cisco part number and I'm finding it all over the place when I do a Google
search, so I'm sure you can find it direct from Cisco with their markup.
I'd rather just pay $45 for a "Cisco Equivalent Cable" from Pacific Cable
and the like:
http://www.pacificcable.com/CiscoCables.htm

Looks like it's available in 3ft, 5ft & 10ft variations
CAB-HD60MMX-3  LFH 60M TO LFH60M  CISCO ROUTER DCE TO CISCO ROUTER DTE LFH60
M/M CROSSOVER 3 FT.  $45.00  Quantity:

CAB-HD60MMX-5  LFH 60M TO LFH60M  CISCO ROUTER DCE TO CISCO ROUTER DTE LFH60
M/M CROSSOVER 5 FT.  $46.00  Quantity:

CAB-HD60MMX-10 LFH 60M TO LFH60M  CISCO ROUTER DCE TO CISCO ROUTER DTE LFH60
M/M CROSSOVER 10 FT.  $48.00

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""Ray Mosely""  wrote in message
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> It's simple.  Cisco doesn't, to my knowledge,
> make a back to back cable.  I'm not allowed to
> order a third party cable.
> Ray M.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]
>
>
> Do I even dare ask why you are allowed to use two regular cables but not
> a back to back cable?
>
> Hmm... while writing that I just thought of one good reason.  Whenever
> I order a back-to-back cable I usually get an RS-232 cable.  This would
> tend to limit the clock rate between the two routers.  If I needed a
> higher speed I'd have to find a V.35 back to back cable which seem to be
> harder to find.
>
> If you want V.35:
>
> CAB-V35MT=
> CAB-V35FC=
>
> If you want RS-232:
>
> CAB-232MT=
> CAB-232FC=
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Ray Mosely"  4/13/01 4:29:14 PM >>>
> I'm sorry to bring up this old old old
> thread, but I'm in a situation where I
> need a back to back cable for some 2501's,
> but I'm not allowed to use a back to back
> cable.
>
> There are two bona fide Cisco cables which
> can be hooked together to make one back
> to back cable (at three times the price
> of a back to back).  Anybody know the
> part numbers of the Cisco cables?  It's
> for back to back on the WAN ports.
>
> Thanks,
> Ray Mosely
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Re: Would double telnet work? [7:676]

2001-04-14 Thread Jason J. Roysdon

I don't know that they do, but the Linksys does support port redirection.
Just point the standard telnet port (23) at your inside router.  Once on one
inside router you can telnet around to others inside, or you can also point
other ports from the outside to inside port 23.  The biggest limitation that
the Linksys has is that it can only handle one public address (I don't know
if the NetGear or anything else can handle more).  Not really a big deal
unless you've got a bunch of gamers that want to be able to play against
each other and the outside world, and they need to have the same outside
public port mapped to play.

Anyway, here is what you could do
PublicPrivate
63.1.1.1 :23192.168.1.23 :23
63.1.1.1 :24192.168.1.24 :23
63.1.1.1 :25192.168.1.25 :23
63.1.1.1 :26192.168.1.26 :23

Of course, you might want to pick better ports, but if you don't care about
housing services public services on the inside, it should work.

My personal suggestion would be to set up an old 486 and run Linux and SSHv2
so that you can SSH in on port 22, and once on the Linux box on the inside,
telnet to your routers.  That way it's all encrypted and no chance of
someone hijacking your lab.  Plus, you can log all the connections to the
Linux box and have a user list to control access.  Of course, there is a
little bit of a learning curve to get that configured, but it's not that bad
with RH7 and a standard NIC.

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> Hey Group,
>
> This is a continuation of the NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys
> router Post. I am curious, would it be possible for me to do a telnet from
> my remote site to the small router, and then do another telnet from the
> small router to the inside devices? This would pretty much be a double
> telnet (if there is such a thing). Does anyone know if most of these small
> routers support outgoing telnet sessions?
>
> Thanks again for the help,
> Fred
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RE: back to back cables [7:527]

2001-04-14 Thread Daniel Cotts

If you attend Partner training given by Cisco SEs they do have back to back
cables with the Cisco logo. Cisco subcontracts most of their manufacturing.
These particular cables are made by LoDanWest. Many Cisco cables have LDW on
them. If you contact LoDan to order the cables they will provide the exact
same cable except that it is black in color and doesn't have the Cisco logo.
Cisco does not allow them to sell cables with the Cisco logo except to Cisco
itself - who then sells them to us. You can buy similar cables elsewhere for
less money.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Mosely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: back to back cables [7:527]
> 
> 
> It's simple.  Cisco doesn't, to my knowledge,
> make a back to back cable.  I'm not allowed to
> order a third party cable.
> Ray M.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]
> 
> 
> Do I even dare ask why you are allowed to use two regular 
> cables but not
> a back to back cable?
> 
> Hmm... while writing that I just thought of one good reason.  Whenever
> I order a back-to-back cable I usually get an RS-232 cable.  
> This would
> tend to limit the clock rate between the two routers.  If I needed a
> higher speed I'd have to find a V.35 back to back cable which 
> seem to be
> harder to find.
> 
> If you want V.35:
> 
> CAB-V35MT=
> CAB-V35FC=
> 
> If you want RS-232:
> 
> CAB-232MT=
> CAB-232FC=
> 
> HTH,
> John




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Re: back to back cables [7:527]

2001-04-14 Thread Nigel Taylor

Get the cables you need from Bob lowery @  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 if you can't get it from him , then go to http://www.symmic.com

You won't have to pay those prices..  would $30 or less do...

Nigel..


- Original Message -
From: Jason J. Roysdon 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]


> I'm looking at a cable in my lab, CAB-HD60MMX-5, which is a nice short
cable
> (5ft) and is DTE 60 pin on one side and DCE 60 pin on the other.  It's got
> the Cisco blue and the housing looks just like my other Cisco back-to-back
> cable which is actually a DCE-to-v.35 & v.35-to-DTE cable (the only thing
> it's missing is a Cisco logo, but not all Cisco gear has the logo).
That's
> a Cisco part number and I'm finding it all over the place when I do a
Google
> search, so I'm sure you can find it direct from Cisco with their markup.
> I'd rather just pay $45 for a "Cisco Equivalent Cable" from Pacific Cable
> and the like:
> http://www.pacificcable.com/CiscoCables.htm
>
> Looks like it's available in 3ft, 5ft & 10ft variations
> CAB-HD60MMX-3  LFH 60M TO LFH60M  CISCO ROUTER DCE TO CISCO ROUTER DTE
LFH60
> M/M CROSSOVER 3 FT.  $45.00  Quantity:
>
> CAB-HD60MMX-5  LFH 60M TO LFH60M  CISCO ROUTER DCE TO CISCO ROUTER DTE
LFH60
> M/M CROSSOVER 5 FT.  $46.00  Quantity:
>
> CAB-HD60MMX-10 LFH 60M TO LFH60M  CISCO ROUTER DCE TO CISCO ROUTER DTE
LFH60
> M/M CROSSOVER 10 FT.  $48.00
>
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>
>
> ""Ray Mosely""  wrote in message
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> > It's simple.  Cisco doesn't, to my knowledge,
> > make a back to back cable.  I'm not allowed to
> > order a third party cable.
> > Ray M.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:42 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]
> >
> >
> > Do I even dare ask why you are allowed to use two regular cables but not
> > a back to back cable?
> >
> > Hmm... while writing that I just thought of one good reason.  Whenever
> > I order a back-to-back cable I usually get an RS-232 cable.  This would
> > tend to limit the clock rate between the two routers.  If I needed a
> > higher speed I'd have to find a V.35 back to back cable which seem to be
> > harder to find.
> >
> > If you want V.35:
> >
> > CAB-V35MT=
> > CAB-V35FC=
> >
> > If you want RS-232:
> >
> > CAB-232MT=
> > CAB-232FC=
> >
> > HTH,
> > John
> >
> > >>> "Ray Mosely"  4/13/01 4:29:14 PM >>>
> > I'm sorry to bring up this old old old
> > thread, but I'm in a situation where I
> > need a back to back cable for some 2501's,
> > but I'm not allowed to use a back to back
> > cable.
> >
> > There are two bona fide Cisco cables which
> > can be hooked together to make one back
> > to back cable (at three times the price
> > of a back to back).  Anybody know the
> > part numbers of the Cisco cables?  It's
> > for back to back on the WAN ports.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ray Mosely
> > CCNA, MCSE
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Help! Cisco Internetworking Design test?? [7:682]

2001-04-14 Thread AndyD

Can anyone give me any advice in how to prepare for the CID test?  I've
heard nothing but horror stories on the poor quality of the test, vague
questions,  poorly worded questions, etc.  I've got Todd Laemmle's book, but
it seems pretty superficial.  I've got a Boson practice test, but it's all
over the map.  Could someone who has taken the test give me some
recommendations please?

 Thanks,

AD




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Re: I need Help!!! Kindly help me(OSPF Virtual links) [7:674]

2001-04-14 Thread David Chandler

Looks like you have E0 of dogbert (area 1) in the same ethernet broadcast
domain as E3
of aspen (Area 0).

The only reason you are not seeing a similar message in dogbert is cause
your console
logging level is differnet in dogbert

DaveC




Shahid Muhammad Shafi wrote:

> Hi Guys.
> I am configuring a virtual link between two OSPF
> routers but it is not working at all. I am sending u
> the configuration and diagram here;. Any help and
> pinters will be appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Shahid
>
> =
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> MSc Telecommunications Candidate
> University of Colorado Boulder
> BSEE(GIKI),MCSE+I,CNA,CCNA,CCNP
>
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> Current configuration:
> !
> version 10.2
> service tcp-small-servers
> !
> hostname catbert
> !
> enable password lab
> !
> !
> interface Ethernet0
> ip address 192.168.3.126 255.255.255.224
> !
> interface Ethernet1
> ip address 192.168.3.62 255.255.255.224
> !
> interface Ethernet2
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet3
> ip address 192.168.21.120 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet4
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet5
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet6
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet7
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet8
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet9
> ip address 192.168.90.1 255.255.255.0
> shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet10
> ip address 192.168.100.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet11
> ip address 192.168.80.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Fddi0
> no ip address
> no keepalive
> shutdown
> !
> interface Hssi0
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> router ospf 1
> network 192.168.3.32 0.0.0.31 area 2
> network 192.168.3.96 0.0.0.31 area 2
> !
> no logging console
> !
> !
> line con 0
> exec-timeout 0 0
> password lab
> login
> line aux 0
> password lab
> login
> transport input all
> line vty 0 4
> password lab
> login
> !
> end
>
> Current configuration:
> !
> version 10.2
> !
> hostname breckenridge
> !
> enable password lab
> !
> !
> interface Ethernet0
> ip address 192.168.3.97 255.255.255.224
> !
> interface Ethernet1
> ip address 192.168.3.94 255.255.255.224
> !
> router ospf 1
> network 192.168.3.96 0.0.0.31 area 2
> network 192.168.3.64 0.0.0.31 area 2
> !
>
> Current configuration:
> !
> version 11.0
> service udp-small-servers
> service tcp-small-servers
> !
> hostname aspen
> !
> enable password lab
> !
> !
> interface Loopback0
>  ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet0
>  no ip address
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet1
>  ip address 192.168.3.33 255.255.255.224
> !
> interface Ethernet2
>  --More--
> %OSPF-4-ERRRCV: Received invalid packet: mismatch area ID, from backbone
> area mu
> st be virtual-link but not found from 192.168.2.254, Ethernet3
>
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet3
>  ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet4
>  no ip address
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet5
>  ip address 192.168.3.65 255.255.255.224
> !
> interface Ethernet6
>  no ip address
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Ethernet7
>  no ip address
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Fddi0
>  no ip address
>  --More--
>
> router ospf 1
>  network 192.168.3.32 0.0.0.31 area 2
>  network 192.168.3.64 0.0.0.31 area 2
>  network 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1
>  area 2 range 192.168.3.0 255.255.255.0
>  area 1 virtual-link 1.1.1.1
> !
> logging console notifications
> !
> !
> line con 0
> line aux 0
>  transport input all
> line vty 0 4
>  login
> !
> end
>
> enable password lab
> !
> !
> interface Loopback0
>  ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet0
>  ip address 192.168.1.254 255.255.255.0
>  no keepalive
> !
> interface Ethernet1
>  ip address 192.168.2.1 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet2
>  --More--
>
> router ospf 1
>  network 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
>  network 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1
>  area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2
>
> Current configuration:
> !
> version 10.2
> service tcp-small-servers
> !
> hostname dogbert
> !
> enable password lab
> !
> !
> interface Loopback0
> ip address 3.3.3.3 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet0
> ip address 192.168.2.254 255.255.255.0
> !
> interface Ethernet1
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Fddi0
> no ip address
> no keepalive
> shutdown
> !
> interface Hssi0
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Serial0
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> interface Serial1
> no ip address
> shutdown
> !
> router ospf 1
> network 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
> !
> !
> !
> line con 0
> line aux 0
> transport input all
>  --More--
>
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Re: Help! Cisco Internetworking Design test?? [7:682]

2001-04-14 Thread Sean C.

Hi Andy,

Took the CID last week and passed - 2nd attempt.  The horror stories you
have read about this test are true.

The questions have misspellings (VALN instead of VLAN), some answers are
written twice, one question address had a third octet of .286., etc. Couple
this with the limited study material available and I think it would be wise
to wait for the CID 4.0, when, hopefully, there will be more study material
available.

I used the CiscoPress book and the Boson #1 test.  The Lammle book you own
has the best section on StrataCom - the questions I had were could all be
answered from Lammle's book.

I agree with the general concensus:  CiscoPress covers 50%, Lammle covers
50% between them you will know about 75% of the test.

Good luck,
Sean

CCNP, CCDP, MCSE


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> heard nothing but horror stories on the poor quality of the test, vague
> questions,  poorly worded questions, etc.  I've got Todd Laemmle's book,
but
> it seems pretty superficial.  I've got a Boson practice test, but it's all
> over the map.  Could someone who has taken the test give me some
> recommendations please?
>
>  Thanks,
>
> AD
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Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 04:58 PM 4/14/01, Up_and_Up wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
>  EtherSerial  Ether
>
>If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost between R1
>and R2 - who resends?
>
>I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon answer
>was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link layer
>protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay, and
>Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error correction or
>retransmission."

Yes, that's the agreed-upon answer and the best way to think about it. What 
you say is usually true. There are some exceptions, for example, if Router 
1 and 2 were running X.25. X.25 does retransmit.

I skimmed the cram session. It looks pretty good, but be sure to use 
something more than this to study. (I'm sure you know that.) The cram 
session has the usual misconceptions, such as claiming that SRB and SRT are 
in 802.5, which they aren't, and that HSRP is a routing protocol that is 
standing by, (it's a router standing by), and AppleTalk is "chatty."

Then it has a few unique misconceptions like the one you asked about, and 
the overuse of the term "broadcast," and the indication that SNA is 
non-routable because it existed before WANs, and the following really awful 
statement:

"TCP and LLC Type 2 are reliable protocols because they are layer four 
protocols
IP, UDP, and Frame Relay are NOT reliable protocols because they are layer 
three protocols."

But the CCIE wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on if you could pass 
by reading one over-simplified document! ;-) As long as you are studying 
with other materials also, I think the cram session is a nice wrap-up of 
what you need to know, and if you know your stuff, you'll recognize the 
misconceptions.

Priscilla


>The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and wanted
>some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
>from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
>
>http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
>
>The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the the
>packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.
>
>I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I have
>learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.
>
>Thanks to all who answer,
>Sean
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Re: Check this one out ..... [7:537]

2001-04-14 Thread Lance Hubbard

It's special finds like this that quench my thirst for technology.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

Cheers,

Lance

>From: "Circusnuts" >Reply-To: "Circusnuts" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Check this one out . [7:537] >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001
00:44:20 -0400 > >Hey Chuck- it's all water under the bridge by now... or
is that bridge it >troubled waters :o) > >- Original Message -
>From: Chuck Larrieu >To: >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:52 PM
>Subject: RE: Check this one out . [7:537] > > > > Ever hear of the
Atlantic cable? The Pacific cable? ;-> > > > > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of >Luke > > Everett > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:37 PM > > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Check this one out . [7:537] >
> > > You idiot, did you really think that was for real??? Sending data >
> through water for God's sake? > > > > > > - Original Message -
> > From: "Keyur Lavingia" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:54
PM > > Subject: Check this one out . [7:537] > > > > > > > Heard
about IP on atm , fiber ethernet, token ring and bla bla. > > > > > >
What about IP on water Pipes... I m not kidding. Check out this site.. >
> > > > > http://www.dutchwater.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > KEYUR > > >
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Re: Cisco fire staff [7:641]

2001-04-14 Thread Circusnuts

Nortel gave the guys in my office 4 months pay & full benefits for 3 months.

Not a bad way to loose a job
Phil

- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco fire staff [7:641]


> 2 months automatic severance, plus another 4 months for signing their
> severance agreement?  So a total of 6 months severance? Damn good deal.
>
>  I am no raving Cisco fanatic, and I certainly don't mean to offend any
> ex-Cisco employees who may be reading this,  but lots of companies are
> cutting back now, and I rarely hear of a severance deal as good as
Cisco's.
>
>  This stands in stark contrast to some of the dot-gone dotcoms, as
profiled
> on fuc*edcompany.com,  where not only were there people getting canned
> without any warning and without their promised severance, but also there
are
> instances of people being screwed out of back-pay and expenses, given
> severance checks that bounced, etc.   I should know, my former dotcom went
> under and still owed employees several months (!) of backpay and expenses.
>
> So in light of all this, I still consider Cisco one of the good guys.
>
>
>
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Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Sean C.

Thanks Priscilla, you caught an error that I had missed.

You're totally right when writing that this was a decent wrap-up.  With the
amount of travelling I do, it's easier to carry this study guide around
(appended with my notes that must take up any remaining space) then to lug
around Perlman, Halabi, Berkowitz, Doyle, Comer, Stevens, Clark, Raza,
Lammle, etc ;-)

Thanks again,
Sean
CCNP, CCDP, MCSE

PS - I never had an opportunity to thank you for the Top-Down book.  It
helped me immensely in acquiring my DP.  Thank you!!


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> At 04:58 PM 4/14/01, Up_and_Up wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
> >  EtherSerial  Ether
> >
> >If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost between R1
> >and R2 - who resends?
> >
> >I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon
answer
> >was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link layer
> >protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay, and
> >Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error correction or
> >retransmission."
>
> Yes, that's the agreed-upon answer and the best way to think about it.
What
> you say is usually true. There are some exceptions, for example, if Router
> 1 and 2 were running X.25. X.25 does retransmit.
>
> I skimmed the cram session. It looks pretty good, but be sure to use
> something more than this to study. (I'm sure you know that.) The cram
> session has the usual misconceptions, such as claiming that SRB and SRT
are
> in 802.5, which they aren't, and that HSRP is a routing protocol that is
> standing by, (it's a router standing by), and AppleTalk is "chatty."
>
> Then it has a few unique misconceptions like the one you asked about, and
> the overuse of the term "broadcast," and the indication that SNA is
> non-routable because it existed before WANs, and the following really
awful
> statement:
>
> "TCP and LLC Type 2 are reliable protocols because they are layer four
> protocols
> IP, UDP, and Frame Relay are NOT reliable protocols because they are layer
> three protocols."
>
> But the CCIE wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on if you could pass
> by reading one over-simplified document! ;-) As long as you are studying
> with other materials also, I think the cram session is a nice wrap-up of
> what you need to know, and if you know your stuff, you'll recognize the
> misconceptions.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and
wanted
> >some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
> >from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
> >
> >http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
> >
> >The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the the
> >packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.
> >
> >I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I have
> >learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.
> >
> >Thanks to all who answer,
> >Sean
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>
> 
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Re: Would double telnet work? [7:676]

2001-04-14 Thread Kevin Wigle

The Linksys lets you do the following:

incoming port (on wan interface) is redirected to inside ip (no port
configurable)

The incoming port can be further distinguished as udp/tcp/both

10 ports (or ranges of ports) that can be redirected to an inside ip
address.

Kevin Wigle


- Original Message -
From: "Jason J. Roysdon" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, 14 April, 2001 21:04
Subject: Re: Would double telnet work? [7:676]


> I don't know that they do, but the Linksys does support port redirection.
> Just point the standard telnet port (23) at your inside router.  Once on
one
> inside router you can telnet around to others inside, or you can also
point
> other ports from the outside to inside port 23.  The biggest limitation
that
> the Linksys has is that it can only handle one public address (I don't
know
> if the NetGear or anything else can handle more).  Not really a big deal
> unless you've got a bunch of gamers that want to be able to play against
> each other and the outside world, and they need to have the same outside
> public port mapped to play.
>
> Anyway, here is what you could do
> PublicPrivate
> 63.1.1.1 :23192.168.1.23 :23
> 63.1.1.1 :24192.168.1.24 :23
> 63.1.1.1 :25192.168.1.25 :23
> 63.1.1.1 :26192.168.1.26 :23
>
> Of course, you might want to pick better ports, but if you don't care
about
> housing services public services on the inside, it should work.
>
> My personal suggestion would be to set up an old 486 and run Linux and
SSHv2
> so that you can SSH in on port 22, and once on the Linux box on the
inside,
> telnet to your routers.  That way it's all encrypted and no chance of
> someone hijacking your lab.  Plus, you can log all the connections to the
> Linux box and have a user list to control access.  Of course, there is a
> little bit of a learning curve to get that configured, but it's not that
bad
> with RH7 and a standard NIC.
>
> --
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> >
> > This is a continuation of the NAT capabilities of small Netgear/Linksys
> > router Post. I am curious, would it be possible for me to do a telnet
from
> > my remote site to the small router, and then do another telnet from the
> > small router to the inside devices? This would pretty much be a double
> > telnet (if there is such a thing). Does anyone know if most of these
small
> > routers support outgoing telnet sessions?
> >
> > Thanks again for the help,
> > Fred
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RE: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread Dennis Laganiere

Hi...  I'm the guy who wrote the cramsession you're talking about...

Martin at brainbuzz saw some other materials I had produced, and contacted
me to write up something for this test.  Pretty much all I did was clean up
my notes from when I was studying for the written, and sent it to him.  

I've had a lot of people tell me this has helped them prepare, and I'm
always happy about that.  The most talked about problem with the cramsession
is the whole "host---router---router---host" thing.  Trust me, in long
discussions, I've tried to defend it, but I was wrong; just flat-out wrong. 

Anyway, I don't want to make a career out of the CCIE Written exam, but if
people want to help me find the errors in the document I can try and get an
update published with the errors corrected.  I could probably also include
material I've learned from the last four months of Lab prep.  If anybody has
any other corrections, or if you have anything to contribute to the
conversation, feel free to contact me off-line...

Thanks all...

--- Dennis

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Subject: Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

Thanks Priscilla, you caught an error that I had missed.

You're totally right when writing that this was a decent wrap-up.  With
the
amount of travelling I do, it's easier to carry this study guide around
(appended with my notes that must take up any remaining space) then to
lug
around Perlman, Halabi, Berkowitz, Doyle, Comer, Stevens, Clark, Raza,
Lammle, etc ;-)

Thanks again,
Sean
CCNP, CCDP, MCSE

PS - I never had an opportunity to thank you for the Top-Down book.  It
helped me immensely in acquiring my DP.  Thank you!!


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> At 04:58 PM 4/14/01, Up_and_Up wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >HostA--Router1---Router2---HostB
> >  EtherSerial
Ether
> >
> >If a packet is sent from HostA to HostB and the packet is lost
between R1
> >and R2 - who resends?
> >
> >I've seen this question before and thought the generally agreed upon
answer
> >was that Host A would resend with the reason being "The data-link
layer
> >protocols in use today on serial lines, including PPP, Frame Relay,
and
> >Cisco HDLC, detect errors but are not responsible for error
correction or
> >retransmission."
>
> Yes, that's the agreed-upon answer and the best way to think about it.
What
> you say is usually true. There are some exceptions, for example, if
Router
> 1 and 2 were running X.25. X.25 does retransmit.
>
> I skimmed the cram session. It looks pretty good, but be sure to use
> something more than this to study. (I'm sure you know that.) The cram
> session has the usual misconceptions, such as claiming that SRB and
SRT
are
> in 802.5, which they aren't, and that HSRP is a routing protocol that
is
> standing by, (it's a router standing by), and AppleTalk is "chatty."
>
> Then it has a few unique misconceptions like the one you asked about,
and
> the overuse of the term "broadcast," and the indication that SNA is
> non-routable because it existed before WANs, and the following really
awful
> statement:
>
> "TCP and LLC Type 2 are reliable protocols because they are layer four
> protocols
> IP, UDP, and Frame Relay are NOT reliable protocols because they are
layer
> three protocols."
>
> But the CCIE wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on if you could
pass
> by reading one over-simplified document! ;-) As long as you are
studying
> with other materials also, I think the cram session is a nice wrap-up
of
> what you need to know, and if you know your stuff, you'll recognize
the
> misconceptions.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and
wanted
> >some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the
cramsession
> >from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
> >
> >http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
> >
> >The statement in question is at the top of Page 13.  It states the
the
> >packet would be resent (actually rebroadcast) from Router B.
> >
> >I'm not using this guide to learn from as much to reinforce what I
have
> >learned and this statement is bringing up an old question.
> >
> >Thanks to all who answer,
> >Sean
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Re: Cisco fire staff [7:641]

2001-04-14 Thread Rick Cossey

My company gives an automatic 6 months severance and this includes all
benefits(health insurance, dental, 401K, and even stock options).. The only
requirement is you have worked full time for at least 1 year. One guy in my
department had 7 weeks vacation and personnal time coming as well as the
severance package when they let him go. He is sitting in the Bahamas, as I
write this, taking a nice vacation while I am working my tail off to take up
the slack from the cut backs. I am never the lucky one!

Rick


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> severance agreement?  So a total of 6 months severance? Damn good deal.
>
>  I am no raving Cisco fanatic, and I certainly don't mean to offend any
> ex-Cisco employees who may be reading this,  but lots of companies are
> cutting back now, and I rarely hear of a severance deal as good as
Cisco's.
>
>  This stands in stark contrast to some of the dot-gone dotcoms, as
profiled
> on fuc*edcompany.com,  where not only were there people getting canned
> without any warning and without their promised severance, but also there
are
> instances of people being screwed out of back-pay and expenses, given
> severance checks that bounced, etc.   I should know, my former dotcom went
> under and still owed employees several months (!) of backpay and expenses.
>
> So in light of all this, I still consider Cisco one of the good guys.
>
>
>
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Re: back to back cables [7:527]

2001-04-14 Thread Rick Cossey

cisco does have their own back to back cable I have 2 or 3 in my lab. When I
get a chance I
check them for part numbers but I am certain they have the Cisco Logo! Also,
do you buy your CAT5
cables from cisco?
Rick
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> It's simple.  Cisco doesn't, to my knowledge,
> make a back to back cable.  I'm not allowed to
> order a third party cable.
> Ray M.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]
>
>
> Do I even dare ask why you are allowed to use two regular cables but not
> a back to back cable?
>
> Hmm... while writing that I just thought of one good reason.  Whenever
> I order a back-to-back cable I usually get an RS-232 cable.  This would
> tend to limit the clock rate between the two routers.  If I needed a
> higher speed I'd have to find a V.35 back to back cable which seem to be
> harder to find.
>
> If you want V.35:
>
> CAB-V35MT=
> CAB-V35FC=
>
> If you want RS-232:
>
> CAB-232MT=
> CAB-232FC=
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Ray Mosely"  4/13/01 4:29:14 PM >>>
> I'm sorry to bring up this old old old
> thread, but I'm in a situation where I
> need a back to back cable for some 2501's,
> but I'm not allowed to use a back to back
> cable.
>
> There are two bona fide Cisco cables which
> can be hooked together to make one back
> to back cable (at three times the price
> of a back to back).  Anybody know the
> part numbers of the Cisco cables?  It's
> for back to back on the WAN ports.
>
> Thanks,
> Ray Mosely
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designing subnets with all ones/zeros.. [7:695]

2001-04-14 Thread David Chandler

I have two questions regarding using the all ones and/or the all zeros
subnet.

Recently one of my co-workers started studying for CCNA and while
reviewing subnets he kept telling me that you could not use the all zero
or all ones subnet.   The Win95, NT, and LINUX hosts didn't have a
problem with it nor did the routers.  I tested it with RIP & EIGRP.
(skipped OSPF since it is classful).
I found that Cisco and others vendors agree that it will work, but they
"Strongly discourage using the all ones or all zeros subnets"

PS: if some of you try testing this; note that prior to 12.1 you'll need
to enter
(config)# ip zero-subnet
before the router will accept a zero subnet on a interface. Starting in
12.1 the zero subnet is enabled by default.

Question #1: What type problems could you run into by using a all
ones/zero subnet.

Question #2: For you folks that are in design; Do you follow or
ignore the "DO NOT USE ALL ONES/ZEROS" rule?

I'm trying to get a real world idea of what the standard practice is.
I work at a large corp, so I haven't a clue what sane people do.

DaveC




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Re: Packet retransmission [7:662]

2001-04-14 Thread John Neiberger

|  >
|  >The reason I post this is I have found a contradictoring document and
wanted
|  >some 2nd and 3rd opinions.  The document in questions is the cramsession
|  >from BrainBuzz.com at the link:
|  >
|  >http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/
|  >

I've read through that cramsession before and I know that it is full of
inaccuracies, or at least incomplete information.  It does have some good
information but be careful when reading it.

John





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RE: back to back cables [7:527]

2001-04-14 Thread John Neiberger

Wow, why not?  Does your employer make a habit of spending three times as
much as necessary?  :-)  Just kidding...

If that's the case, then go with the part numbers I gave you.  For the sake
of performance you'll want to go with the v.35 cables.

John

|  It's simple.  Cisco doesn't, to my knowledge,
|  make a back to back cable.  I'm not allowed to
|  order a third party cable.
|  Ray M.
|  
|  -Original Message-
|  From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:42 PM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: Re: back to back cables [7:527]
|  
|  
|  Do I even dare ask why you are allowed to use two regular cables but not
|  a back to back cable?
|  
|  Hmm... while writing that I just thought of one good reason.  Whenever
|  I order a back-to-back cable I usually get an RS-232 cable.  This would
|  tend to limit the clock rate between the two routers.  If I needed a
|  higher speed I'd have to find a V.35 back to back cable which seem to be
|  harder to find.
|  
|  If you want V.35:
|  
|  CAB-V35MT=
|  CAB-V35FC=
|  
|  If you want RS-232:
|  
|  CAB-232MT=
|  CAB-232FC=
|  
|  HTH,
|  John
|  
|  >>> "Ray Mosely"  4/13/01 4:29:14 PM >>>
|  I'm sorry to bring up this old old old
|  thread, but I'm in a situation where I
|  need a back to back cable for some 2501's,
|  but I'm not allowed to use a back to back
|  cable.
|  
|  There are two bona fide Cisco cables which
|  can be hooked together to make one back
|  to back cable (at three times the price
|  of a back to back).  Anybody know the
|  part numbers of the Cisco cables?  It's
|  for back to back on the WAN ports.
|  
|  Thanks,
|  Ray Mosely
|  CCNA, MCSE
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Re: Help! Cisco Internetworking Design test?? [7:682]

2001-04-14 Thread GNOME

The new CID will be much tougher!!securityvoiceQoS...etc
etc
but at least now it is updated :)


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> Hi Andy,
>
> Took the CID last week and passed - 2nd attempt.  The horror stories you
> have read about this test are true.
>
> The questions have misspellings (VALN instead of VLAN), some answers are
> written twice, one question address had a third octet of .286., etc.
Couple
> this with the limited study material available and I think it would be
wise
> to wait for the CID 4.0, when, hopefully, there will be more study
material
> available.
>
> I used the CiscoPress book and the Boson #1 test.  The Lammle book you own
> has the best section on StrataCom - the questions I had were could all be
> answered from Lammle's book.
>
> I agree with the general concensus:  CiscoPress covers 50%, Lammle covers
> 50% between them you will know about 75% of the test.
>
> Good luck,
> Sean
>
> CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
>
>
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> > heard nothing but horror stories on the poor quality of the test, vague
> > questions,  poorly worded questions, etc.  I've got Todd Laemmle's book,
> but
> > it seems pretty superficial.  I've got a Boson practice test, but it's
all
> > over the map.  Could someone who has taken the test give me some
> > recommendations please?
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >
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RE: CCNA Question (welcome challenger) [7:637]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I'll bite, having nothing better to do tonight.

1) reload - the command is already in the config ;->

2) each IP what?
If you are intimating subnet mask, the ip header has no place for subnet
mask. A routing protocol packet would carry that information.

HTH

Chuck

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Subject:CCNA Question (welcome challenger) [7:637]

Q1 You have just rebooted your router with a boot host or boot network
command. What command would you type for your router to always boot like
that from now on?


Q2 If you are using CIDR, what must each IP carry with it ?
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sdh/sonet framing [7:700]

2001-04-14 Thread sipitung

Hi group,

Have you any idea for url which described about sonet/sdh framing in more
detaili still a bit confuse about what is distinction  between sonet and
sdh framing.

Once more, have anyone have idea about the distinction between Add Drop
Multiplexer, Terminal Multiplexer, Intermediate Regenerator (IR),  Digital
Cross-connect (DXC).  I found this term in Ericsson AXD 155-3.
anyway, sorry for the stupid question.


Just for trying learn about this in more detail. Any help will be
appreciated.
Thanks for your attention.


Regards
sipitung




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RE: designing subnets with all ones/zeros.. [7:695]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

Comments within:

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Subject:designing subnets with all ones/zeros.. [7:695]

I have two questions regarding using the all ones and/or the all zeros
subnet.

Recently one of my co-workers started studying for CCNA and while
reviewing subnets he kept telling me that you could not use the all zero
or all ones subnet.

CL:  classically speaking this is true. Early implementations, etc. these
days this is no longer the case

The Win95, NT, and LINUX hosts didn't have a
problem with it nor did the routers.

CL: a long time ago on this list we had a discussion of wacky subnet masks.
In the course of researching this, I found that the windows IP stack was not
rfc 1812 compliant in that it allowed discontiguous / wacky / non contiguous
ones subnet masks, and that windows also categorically denied use of certain
legitimate ip addresses. Such as 172.16.1.255/16  I believe that this is
corrected in Win2K

 I tested it with RIP & EIGRP.
(skipped OSPF since it is classful).

CL: I believe you meant to say "classless" ;->

I found that Cisco and others vendors agree that it will work, but they
"Strongly discourage using the all ones or all zeros subnets"

CL: where did you find language about "strongly discourage"?

PS: if some of you try testing this; note that prior to 12.1 you'll need
to enter
(config)# ip zero-subnet
before the router will accept a zero subnet on a interface. Starting in
12.1 the zero subnet is enabled by default.

CL: ip subnet-zero

Question #1: What type problems could you run into by using a all
ones/zero subnet.

CL: issues with older equipment / obsolete equipment / old OS versions

Question #2: For you folks that are in design; Do you follow or
ignore the "DO NOT USE ALL ONES/ZEROS" rule?

CL: use both all the time. Of course I sell new Cisco equipment, so there is
no issue with most customers. Or I sell EIGRP or OSPF designs. Same thing.
;->

I'm trying to get a real world idea of what the standard practice is.
I work at a large corp, so I haven't a clue what sane people do.

CL: so do I and neither do I.

DaveC
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RE: Check this one out ..... [7:537]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

Ask any humpback whale

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Howard C. Berkowitz
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Subject:Re: Check this one out . [7:537]

If digital information can't be sent through water using acoustic
signaling, lots of sonar and underwater telephone designers are going
to be very surprised.  In like manner, there are all sorts of means
of transmitting electromagnetic digital information through water,
such as extremely low frequency radio and blue-green lasers.  Modern
submarine operations depend on all these.

More to the point, a specific design objective of IP is that it is
independent of the underlying transmission medium.  RFC1149, the
basic specification for transmission of IP datagrams over avian
media, is actually an excellent model for explaining how IP is
encapsulated in a specific medium.



>It sends data via water pipes, not water. That could work. Water pipes are
>ubiquitous. We could avoid tearing up roads to put in fiber-optic cabling.
>And if it's in Holland, maybe they don't see the humor. On the other hand,
>many people in Holland speak English. Also, many water pipes are actually
>made of PVC, not metal. PVC probably doesn't conduct electricity or packets
>very well. (That's poly vinyl chloride, not permanent virtual circuits!).
>
>OK, I guess it was a joke! ;-)
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 11:36 PM 4/13/01, Luke Everett wrote:
>>You idiot, did you really think that was for real???  Sending data
>>through water for God's sake?
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Keyur Lavingia"
>>To:
>>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Check this one out . [7:537]
>>
>>
>>  > Heard about IP on atm , fiber ethernet, token ring and bla bla.
>>  >
>>  > What about IP on water Pipes... I m not kidding.  Check out this
site..
>>  >
>>  > http://www.dutchwater.com/
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>  > > KEYUR
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RE: Subject: Re: Check this one out ..... [7:608]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

Humpback whale, to be precise

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On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Paul Werner wrote:

> I'm looking for the next great thinker that will
> harness the power of sea water to obviate the
> need for the underwater cables/fiber and generate
> almost limitless capacity/bandwidth.

You would need a whale of a carrier wave for that porpoise.

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RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]

2001-04-14 Thread Chuck Larrieu

I find most of CCO to be in that category ;->

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Do they have a paper of "DUH ???" as Raul suggests I pursue that one too :o)

Phil

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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]


> Don't have time to look into this more deeply today. Try
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/ibm_
> c/bcprt2/bcdovnet.htm
>
> CCO has several pages about virtual token-ring interfaces. They had
> something else in mind apparently, when developing the concept. But it may
> well be adaptable to a home-lab situation.
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Raul
> F. Fernandez
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:17 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
>
> I believe one of the papers in the certificationzone.com talks about this.
> In fact it is the Token Ring paper. DUH!
>
> Raul
>
> -Original Message-
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> Circusnuts
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
>
>
> Any taker's yet John ???  I have never heard of such a thing...  I know
the
> Telco provisions virtual FDDI rings or section of bandwidth in our local
DC
> MAN, but ya gotta be hooked to the physical to take part.
>
> Phil
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Neiberger
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:52 PM
> Subject: Virtual Token Ring Interface [7:519]
>
>
> > A while back we were discussing home lab equipment purchases.  While on
> > the topic of token ring, someone suggested that it was not necessary to
> > buy any routers with token ring interfaces because we could make use of
> > the virtual-tokenring interface.
> >
> > Being new to token ring and its related configurations, I'm wondering
> > if any of you have heard of ways to use this successfully in a home lab
> > (or any lab, for that matter.)  If I could practice with token ring and
> > SRB without shelling out more bucks for two more routers I'd be quite
> > pleased.
> >
> > any thoughts, hints, tips, or suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
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