CIT Down 1 to go [7:8311]

2001-06-13 Thread Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA.

Hi Group,

It was not easy, but it all ended well yesterday by my passing the CIT exam
with 885 scores. What surprised me most was the grouping of the exam. I was
scored 75% in HDLC and I can't remember answering any question on that.

I wrote Switching 2.0 last week Tuesday, With my passing Support 2.0
yesterday, it is now left with Remote Access which must be hacked down early
next week. After that the week following will definitely see CID down as
well.

Am greatful to all in this group your immense support has been of great value
to me.

Have a nice day.

Regards.
Oletu H. G.




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span port [7:8310]

2001-06-13 Thread Adekola, Dennis D

Hi Guys,

i have a server running at 100mb
and i am trying to mirror the port on a CAT 6509
with the set span command.

The problem is i have an ethernet card on my laptop which runs at 10mb

The question is will i be able to capture the frames adequately with my 10mb
NIC


Thanks for your help

Tade (CCNP)




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RE: Voice Specialization Track of Cisco [7:8307]

2001-06-13 Thread marc maréchal

If you speak of the 640-447 exam, it is replaced by the 640-667 exam. 

Take a look at the end of the following page : 

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/exam_list.htm




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Re: Errata for Howard's "Designing Addressing Architectures" [7:8314]

2001-06-13 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Has anyone come across an errata for "Designing Addressing Architectures
>for Routing and Switching" by the well-known Howard C. Berkowitz?  Or, come
>to that, for "Designing Routing and Switching Architectures for Enterprise
>Networks", although I haven't read that one yet?
>Yes, I have checked the MTP website, and tried emailing New Riders (they
>appear to have taken over MTP), but no response.
>
>Ta,
>JMcL

The well-known Howard C. Berkowitz hasn't found one, which is one of 
the reasons he works with Wiley these days, not 
Pearson/MTP/NewRiders/etc.




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Re: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]

2001-06-13 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Fresh from reading for my Support exam from Cisco Press CIT  SDLC is
>the granddaddy of them all.  created in the mid-1970's to transport
>SNA.  ISO modified SDLC to create HDLC.  Then ITU-T modified HDLC to create
>LAP, then later, LAPB.  IEEE modified HDLC to get 802.2, which is also known
>as LLC, of which there are 3 types:  Type 1 a connectionless version, Type 2
>a connection-oriented version, and Type 3 an acknowledged connectionless
>version.


Other than for Cisco tests, I'd be hesitant to take Cisco Press as 
gospel.  That time sequence doesn't sound right -- indeed, the 
organizations are wrong.  I do have some personal experience with 
these.  Ideally, one would go back to the original standards 
documents, or at least some textbooks from the early 70's. Cypser 
would be one endorsed by IBM, or I have the original IBM Systems 
Journal issue on SNA somewhere here.  An author such as Priscilla 
could probably check with some of the original authors (at least the 
ones still around) -- I ran into Hal Folts a couple of months ago.

I first installed SNA in 1974, which included SDLC.

ITU-T didn't exist yet. CCITT was the ancestor, and its first X.25 
standards were in the 1972 books (I forget the color now--probably 
yellow or orange).  That used LAP.  The first commercial X.25 
networks deployed in 1972, the first a banking network in Spain and 
then Telenet a few months afterward.

I attended Federal Telecommunications Standards Committee meetings in 
1976-1980 or so, where we worked on the ADCCP extensions to HDLC.  No 
one particularly assumed an SDLC heritage, and indeed very carefully 
used different terminology and bit encodings.

LAP-B was in the X.25 1976 standards.

IEEE originally was going to accept Ethernet, which didn't have an 
LLC equivalent.  IBM's proposal to standardize token ring originally 
suggested that everything have the equivalent of LLC2, making 
everything reliable like SDLC.  The compromise was to create 
connectionless LLC1 and connection-oriented LLC2.

LLC 3 was developed by the MAP project, primarily General Motors, and 
I don't think it ever became a full IEEE specification.  It certainly 
isn't in my copy of 802.2.

>
>NetBEUI and SNA both need the reliability of LLC Type 2.  I wouldn't say
>"Because NetBEUI and SNA are legacy, the use of LLC Type 2 is
>diminishing"..I would say "Because reliability is more frequently left
>to higher layer protocols, such as TCP, the need for the reliable LLC Type 2
>is diminishing" hehe =)
>
>I don't know if NetBEUI is a good choice to use in this example.  Perhaps
>NetBIOS would be a better choice..  Check out:
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TimothyDEvans/intro.htm
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/3131/ne/osimodel.html
>http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/386/10/2.html
>
>(watch for wrap)..  These pages have some info about NetBEUI/BIOS
>from the sounds of it NetBEUI *is* a Connection-Oriented transport layer
>protocol, in which case it would NOT need the LLC Type 2 reliability,  while
>the older NetBIOS a Connectionless transport layer procotol that could
>indeed benefit from the use of LLC Type 2  But I can't say for sure
>=)
>
>Hope this helps!  Good luck on your writing!
>
>Mike W.
>
>
>"Priscilla Oppenheimer"  wrote in message
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>>  I found myself writing this paragraph for a new writing project:
>>
>>  When NetBEUI and SNA are used on Ethernet networks, they take advantage
of
>>  the reliability of LLC Type 2. Because NetBEUI and SNA are legacy
>>  protocols, the use of LLC Type 2 is diminishing. However, it is still
>>  important to learn LLC Type 2 because WAN protocols, such as High-Level
>>  Data Link Control (HDLC) and Link Access Procedure on the D Channel
>(LAPD),
>>  also known as ITU-T Q.921, are based on LLC Type 2. (Cisco's HDLC is
>>  non-standard and is not based on LLC Type 2, however. Cisco's HDLC is
>>  connectionless.)
>>
>>  Do I have it backwards? Are HDLC and LAPD based on LLC2, or is it the
>other
>>  way around? Any other lies you can pinpoint in my paragraph? I know it's
a
>>  bit awkward still. I will polish it. ;-) Thanks for your help!
>>
>>  Priscilla
>>
>>  Thanks for your help!
>>
>>  Priscilla
>>
>>  
>>
>>  Priscilla Oppenheimer
>>  http://www.priscilla.com




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LLC2 [7:8315]

2001-06-13 Thread Burnham, Chris

Michael I am a bit confused.If you have SNA still on the network (which most
big Corporates do) would you not be using Token Ring? 
Can you run SNA over Ethernet using LLC2? why only LLC2 & not LLC1 or EV2 ??

Below you stated that LLC2 is diminishing because of the reliability of
higher protocols such as TCP, however as I understand SNA does not use TCP
and therefor you will always need LLC2 if you are running SNA.?? Can
you please clarify or point me in the direction of a good book.

As I understand Netbios & SNA can be encapsulated in TCP ,& therefor use its
connection orientated services  & run over ev2 or 802.3SNAP. If you were
implementing SNA & NETBIOS straight onto the wire would you then have to use
LLC2 ( DO THESE PROTOCOLS HAVE TO RUN ON A CONNECTION ORIETATED TRANSPORT)

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Re: Passed BSCN but..............? [7:7719]

2001-06-13 Thread cheekin

Didn't use any exam simulators so I can't really advise you on that.  Make
sure you know the three routing protocols' characteristics (both on LAN and
WAN env.) and how to redistribute them.

Good luck.

Regards,
cheekin

- Original Message -
From: "Kevin O'Gilvie" 
To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 21:20
Subject: Re: Passed BSCN but..? [7:7719]


> I am planning to take this exam next week, what Boson exam do you
recommend,
> and what advise can you give re: "must know's"..
>
>
> >From: "cheekin" 
> >Reply-To: "cheekin" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Passed BSCN but..? [7:7719]
> >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:20:41 -0400
> >
> >I must have been the unlucky one over here.  Got a lot of scenario
> >questions
> >that tested me on the understanding of the routing protocols and
questions
> >on redistribution.
> >
> >Regards,
> >cheekin
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Remmert Veen"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 18:28
> >Subject: RE: Passed BSCN but..? [7:7719]
> >
> >
> > > Hmmmjust passed the BSCN as well, amazingly with a 919, just like
> >you!
> > >
> > > My findings are completely the same, the exam was way too easy. While
I
> >was
> > > preparing for tough, in-depth questions and a lot of CLI commands, the
> >exam
> > > stuck at the level of 'What do the letters BGP stand for?'.
> > >
> > > A shame, let's hope the switching-exam will be of a bit better
quality.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Remmert
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voip white papers [7:8317]

2001-06-13 Thread Swapnil

please suggest me some links for voice over ip presentation and white papers.

swapnil

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Help with MIB [7:8318]

2001-06-13 Thread art news

Hello all,

I know this is off the topic but I would appreciate if any body knows the 
MIB and corresponding OID for backplane utilization of Catalyst 3500 
switches.

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RE: frame-relay route question [7:8217]

2001-06-13 Thread Khurrum Shahzad

I already configured frame relay ietf encapsulation and lmi disable ( no
keep alives).
In my configuration frame relay cloud get data from s1 with dlci 26 and
gives data on s1 with dlci 27. But in order to this configuration words i
have to configure 2 additional route ( 26 on s1 and 17 on s0 which is not
required for my configuraion). In absence of these route configuratio do not
work.

It means that cisco route configuration can't work if dlci's do not match
and not inverse of each other. All other frame-relay switches ( like
memotec, motrolla ) can works with one way route ad in absence of inverse
dlci route.





>>
>
>Hi John,


When you set up your frame relay network you have to be sure to give 
your
interface a dlci and tell it where to go...like you have below...s0 use 
dlci
16 to the frame cloud which uses dlci 26 to get to s1.  But then you 
have to
tell s1 that it needs to use dlci 26 to get back to the frame cloud 
which
uses dlci 16 to get back to s0.  What you have is serial 1 send down 
dlci 27
to the frame cloud and forward down s0 on dlci 17.  If you do an show 
frame
pvc on the routers attached on s1 and s0 you will see that one has dlci 
16
assigned and the other has dlci 27 assigned.  But the frame is trying 
to
send data to them on dlci 26 and dlci 17 which they dont know about.

so you just need to make sure that your dlci's match and that are an 
inverse
of each other.


Here is the output from my current lab:


c4500#sh frame route
Input Intf  Input Dlci  Output Intf Output Dlci Status
Serial1 102 Serial3 201 active
Serial2 103 Serial3 301 active
Serial3 201 Serial1 102 active
Serial3 301 Serial2 103 active


good luck,

Don






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Subject: Re: frame-relay route question [7:8217]


If you are connecting to a non-Cisco device you need to set the frame
relay encapsulation type to ietf and the LMI type to ANSI.  The 
defaults
are cisco encapsulation type and cisco LMI, neither of which will that
device understand.  Try that change and let's see if that resolves the
issue.  If not, please let us know.

HTH,
John

>>> "Khurrum Shahzad"  6/12/01 12:13:49 PM >>>
When connecting cisco router ( as frame-relay switch) with frame relay
device, I configured frame relay route as

Serial 0Dlci in  16to   Serial 1 Dlci out 26
Serial 1Dlci in  27to   Serial 0 Dlci out 17
( require only these 2 routes)

But "show frame-relay pvc" shows both route status inactive and both
route
does not work.

When I give additional two route ( not required ) 

Serial 1Dlci in  26to   Serial 1 Dlci out 16
Serial 0Dlci in  17to   Serial 0 Dlci out 27

then both route status become active and configuration works.

Is it necessary that dlci path must be completed?Because sometime it is
not
required to complete path of dlci.

Can anybody give me guidence on this topic ?




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Re: voip white papers [7:8317]

2001-06-13 Thread Charles Dunkirk

try
1.   http://www.computertelephony.org/multiple links
2.   http://www.packetizer.com/for standards
3.   http://www.tmcnet.com/it/  magazine
 Chuck Dunkirk

Swapnil wrote:

> please suggest me some links for voice over ip presentation and white
papers.
>
> swapnil
>
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Re: Semi-RANT: extended exams [7:7871]

2001-06-13 Thread cheekin

Interesting.  I was not aware of the existence of the extended
exam until today, when I sat for my DCN paper.  I did not get
any additional 30 mins when I sat for my Routing paper three
weeks ago.

By the way, the closest information I can get about where I sat
for the exam is through the testing site ID.  Is that what you
mean?

Regards,
cheekin

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To: 
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Subject: Re: Semi-RANT: extended exams [7:7871]


> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Kevin Wigle wrote:
>
> > and in that vein (curmudgeons and such .. :-))
> >
> > How does anyone except you, know that you took an "extended" exam?
>
> By knowing where I took the test, which appears on the written test
> reports.
>
> (moby snip)
>
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Re: IP address [7:8106]

2001-06-13 Thread cheekin

Use the method taught by Odom in the CCNA Exam Guide.
That is only for the exam purpose.  As Mike has put it very
concisely - learn binary, if you choose to stay in this industry.

Regards,
cheekin

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 06:03
Subject: Re: IP address [7:8106]


> Learn binary.
>
> Mike W.
>
> "parky chan"  wrote in message
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> > what is the fast and easy method to count I.P and subnet mask
> > can you help me ?




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catalyst Switches Scenario [7:8323]

2001-06-13 Thread ASM

hi all
Hope u could help me in this scenario!!!
One core switch(10/100/1000) with atleast 8 fiber
ports is feeding subswitches thru Fiber optic
backbone.
Redundancy is also required.
could anyone suggest the core swicth and the
subswicthes.
The subswicthes could be 2924MXL with one fiber
module.
The main problem is the selection of Core switch.

any comments
ASM

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OT: Arrowpoint NAT [7:8324]

2001-06-13 Thread George Dodds

Had an issue recently where our arrowpoint cs800 was
able do do NAT for inbound packets to a server, but
was unable to perform NAT for outbound packets.

Has anyone come across this issue before??

Cheers

George

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Re: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]

2001-06-13 Thread Dr Rita Puzmanova

This is quite interesting discussion going back into the roots of the
current networking (which is in many ways quite a useful exercise, yet
not performed often enough). I wish my father who was quite active in
these network-forming days could add his knowledgeable views here -
unfortunately, it is no more possible. At least I can add some notes
from his publications to (hopefully) enhance the discussion below:

"Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote:

> ITU-T didn't exist yet. CCITT was the ancestor, and its first X.25
> standards were in the 1972 books (I forget the color now--probably
> yellow or orange).

CCITT was converted to ITU-T in 1993 (March). Recommendations (they have
never used standard for their approved deliverables) before 1993, valid
ones, are still referred as CCITT. The newer ones have the ITU-T
denomination. 

For information (using my father's notes) the CCITT
books-of-recommendations' colors were the following:
- green in 1972, 
- yellow in 1980, 
- red in 1984 
- blue in 1988 (last 4-year-book).

Currently they (ITU-T) may still refer to individual recommendations as
"white books" (which for us locally has  very different connotation: "To
join or not to join the EU" ;-)

> That used LAP.  The first commercial X.25
> networks deployed in 1972, the first a banking network in Spain and
> then Telenet a few months afterward.
> 
> LAP-B was in the X.25 1976 standards.

At that time X.25 was not in compliance with then worked on OSI model.
But it changed a lot over time, in 1984 X.25 was a source for ISO 8208
and nowadays it complies fully with bottom OSI reference model.
> 

> LLC 3 was developed by the MAP project, primarily General Motors, and
> I don't think it ever became a full IEEE specification.  It certainly
> isn't in my copy of 802.2.
> 
This is interesting, because there are approved IEEE (and endorsed
ISO/IEC) stnds on management objects and PICS proforma for Type 3. I
will check the latest 802.2 version once I use up the new wave in IEEE
allowing us to download all the 802 standards.

BTW looking through the IEEE standards status report, I have come across
even another LLC Type - Type 4 (1991):

"Supplement to 802.2, Information Processing Systems
- Local Area Networks: Logical Link Control (LLC) Type 4
High Speed, High Performance Operation "

But status sweeps my expectations away:
"Status: Withdrawn PAR. Standards project no longer endorsed
by the IEEE. "


Rita




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IIS5 migration [7:8326]

2001-06-13 Thread Shawn Xu

Hi, everybody:

We have a Windows 2000 server IIS5 running, and so many web sites on it. Now 
we want to implement load balancing and fault tolerance functions, so that 
we have to build Windows 2000 Advanced Server machines, because you can not 
upgrade Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000 Advanced Server.However some web 
sites are very difficult to set them up, and we did a long time ago 
supported by developers. So I don't want to manually build each site, is 
there any way for us to migrate Windows 2000 Server IIS5 configurations to 
Windows 2000 Advanced Server IIS5?

Please help. Thanks.

Shawn Xu
CCNP,MCSE

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Re: bgp [7:8282]

2001-06-13 Thread Paul Borghese

D'wayne,

BGP rides over TCP/IP.  Therefore you need a functional TCP/IP network in
order to use BGP.  If your routing is done with static routes, BGP will work
fine over statics.  In fact, that is not uncommon, especially for small
co-location facilities with many internet connections but few routers.


Good luck,

Paul Borghese
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From: "Dwayne Saunders" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:13 PM
Subject: bgp [7:8282]


> Hi all,
> was just wondering if our company starts to use bgp will I need to
> run a igp as at the moment with our tight security everything is static
> routed.
> so the question is will I need to introduce a igp if we start to use BGP.
>
> D'Wayne Saunders
> Network Admin




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RE: back to back 2500's acting as a firewall [7:8251]

2001-06-13 Thread dragi radovanovic

an interesting idea, i have to say. but, i think you don't have to worry
about the nat. configure it on the ethernet port that goes into the cable
modem, and simply allow your network behind for nat.
the question is if you have a static ip address assigned from your isp
(which is unusual) or is it going to be negotiated? If it is negotiated,
then you need 12.1.t version to be able to configure ip address dhcp under
the ethernet port (cisco still doesn't have ip add negotiated command for
lan interfaces).

int e0
ip add dhcp
ip nat out

int s0
ip nat ins
ip add 1.1.1.1 f.f.f.0

access-list 1 permit any
ip nat ins source list 1 int e0 overload


This should work.


Dragi


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trouble accessing cisco documentation CD [7:8330]

2001-06-13 Thread John Kale

i have been trying to use the documentation CD but the browser gets a  
'blank:blank' error.can somebody pls help out?
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Bridging IRB versus CRB [7:8331]

2001-06-13 Thread Burnham, Chris

In CRB. Concurrent Routing & Bridging can route a protocol on one group of
interfaces & bridge that protocol on another group of interfaces
The traffic on each group of interfaces cannot be switched between groups
unless either of the following conditions are met:

1)Bridged Interfaces are given Network layer address
2)Routed interfaces are put in the bridge group.

Once either of these two conditions are met you are routing and bridging on
the same interface.? My question is ,isn't this is what IRB (integrated
routing & bridging) is ment to achieve.? If so what is the
difference?


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Need help with PPTP pass through on Cisco 1604 [7:8332]

2001-06-13 Thread Stephen Hoover

I was wondering if some one can help me with the NAT command to allow pptp
to pass through my Cisco 1604. I thought this would get it:

ip nat inside source static tcp x.x.x.x 1723 x.x.x.x 1723

where x is my IP scheme, but this does not seem to work for me. Any help is
appreciated.

Stephen Hoover
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RE: trouble accessing cisco documentation CD [7:8330]

2001-06-13 Thread Buri, Heather H

What O/S are you using?  I have heard that these CD's will not work with
Win2K.

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Re: trouble accessing cisco documentation CD [7:8330]

2001-06-13 Thread Paul Borghese

Try this:

http://127.0.0.1:8080/home/home.htm

Also, make sure the verity search engine is running before clicking on the
above link.  Finally, if you have internet access, you can always go to
http://www.cisco.com/univercd for the most current copy.

Paul Borghese

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Payload length in IPv6 datagram [7:8336]

2001-06-13 Thread Dr Rita Puzmanova

Hi all,

I would appreciate your insight in the following question I have
received from my student. My answer follows but I am not sure I have not
missed some important piece here.

Q: Why was the
meaning of the packet length parameter changed from total length to
payload length when moving from IPv4 to IPv6? It looks to me like
deliberately created fuel for confusion.

My Answer:

IPv4 header might vary between 20 to 60 octets,
and in first 20 octets there are 11 fields which need to be looked at
and possibly processed by routers along the path traversing internet.
This unnecessary complexity leads to inefficient router's performance. 

By employing a simple header of fixed length with 8 mandatory fields,
IPv6 routers enhance their performance. As we could see, many fields
were either removed or embedded in the extension headers in IPv6. As the
IPv6 header has a fixed length of 40 octets, the Header length 
field could be eliminated. Payload length is the length of the remainder
of the IPv6 packet following the header, in octets (extension headers
plus the transport-level PDU). IPv6 as opposed to IPv4 does not perform
any checksum in the base header, again to allow for faster processing at
intermediate nodes (routers).

The routers only check what is needed to check: in case of IPv6 they are
interested that the complete header is there (they know what length to
expect -
fixed 40 octets) and that the rest of the datagram is complete in terms
of advertized length. Therefore instead of identifying the whole
datagram length
from which they would substract the 40 octets, they know immediately
what the payload length is. This seems quite sensible; perhaps we could
attribute this sort of discrepancy between versions rather to the IPv4
way of specifying the whole datagram length instead of the data
(payload) length. IPv6 moved away from that for practical reasons -
routers' efficiency.

Rita




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ARP and TCP/IP layering [7:8335]

2001-06-13 Thread Dr Rita Puzmanova

Hi all,

Trivial yet fundamental question. I have seen ARP described as part of
the network (internet) layer so many times that I have started to
believe it belongs there (although I know well that it operates "as if"
the Layer 2 protocol - as per OSI RM). Now I have eventually come across
Doug Comer's statement: "It's part of the network interface layer." 

I should not ask where the truth is but still I will. That would mean
quite a lot of books are incorrect in this (including Cisco materials).

Rita




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Re: Catalyst Gurus [7:8177]

2001-06-13 Thread Ethan Haslett

As others have said, check to see if portfast is enabled.  But also check to
see if
trunk autonegotiation is enabled and if Etherchannel/Port Aggregation
Protocol is
enabled.  These two will typically consume about 18 seconds to negotiate and
figure
out that your Fluke (or other device) isn't trunking and isn't channelling.

Commands:
show trunk [m/n](look at mode, usually defaults to auto, you may want it
off)
show port channel m/n   (look at mode, usually defaults to auto silent, you
may want it off)
set trunk m/n off   (turns trunking off completely on this port, no
negotiation)
set port channel m/n mode off   (turns channelling off completely on this
port, no negotiation)

Ethan

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> We have just installed some new catalyst switches 650x and 69xx. I have
> noticed
> that whenever I connected with a fluke to test connectivity on the ports,
it
> takes approximately 20 secs to get its first contact with another device.
I'm
> aware the switch port needs to learn the mac address etc but I would not
have
> thought it would take so long. Are there any commands that would speedup
the
> network discovery or is this normal behaviour on a new port?
> Pardon this trivial question but it would help.




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Re: trouble accessing cisco documentation CD [7:8330]

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Try to install Netscape which include in Cisco document CD. It should be no
problem!!

Todd



>i have been trying to use the documentation CD but the browser gets a  
>'blank:blank' error.can somebody pls help out?
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Re: Radware's linkproof and Fatpipe [7:8085]

2001-06-13 Thread John Neiberger

If you have two ISPs then you'll have two sets of public addresses
assigned to you already.  Their solution is to internally map one
address from each pool to each inside resource making them reachable
through each ISP.  Then you do DNS round robin to get "load balancing". 
I just don't like that solution because it's not as transparent to the
end user, but it does have some benefits:  No ASN needed, BGP is
unnecessary, and it conserves addresses since you won't need an entire
/24.  Unless, of course, you really do need a /24, but you probably
don't from the sounds of it.

Regards,
John

>>> "Kenneth"  6/12/01 8:12:21 PM >>>
Cool. I just thought it was too good to be true. I read, through a
newsgroup
search, that in order to do that, it has to act as the ns of the domain
and
that I need a separate set of public ip addresses for my network.
Basically,
it kinda works like Adapter teaming responding to ARP, sending
MACaddresses,... except on the network layer, right?

Either way, I think going with a BGP will be easier and I'm saving the
internet another set of Class C addresses.

Thanks, John


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> In that situation--where you need to be advertised from both
> providers--these devices won't cut the mustard, at least as far as I
can
> tell.  We have had reps from both companies here to explain to us
the
> benefits of their products and they still really don't have a good
way
> to do what you're trying to do.
>
> In our company we also host our own website and are multihomed.  In
> this scenario we use BGP.  Entirely separate from that network we
have
> an ISP for outgoing internet access for our employees.  We will be
> adding a second T-1 and then installing the Radware Linkproof
hardware.
> In this case, we have no internal addresses that *have* to be
advertised
> from both ISPs so this will work quite well for us.
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Kenneth"  6/11/01 6:16:56 PM >>>
> Has anyone deployed this? I'm going through their site and it
doesn't
> explain how it works without using BGP. We have a data center
hosting
> around
> 20 web-based application and we have an entire class C address
space.
> I
> don't see how the "backup" ISP will be able to advertise our network
if
> the
> primary ISP connection fails without using BGP as these products
claim
> to
> do any ideas?
>
> Thanks, guys!
>
> Kenneth




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Re: Semi-RANT: extended exams [7:7871]

2001-06-13 Thread ElephantChild

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, cheekin wrote:

> Interesting.  I was not aware of the existence of the extended
> exam until today, when I sat for my DCN paper.  I did not get
> any additional 30 mins when I sat for my Routing paper three
> weeks ago.

Interesting indeed. May I ask where you sat your routing exam?

> By the way, the closest information I can get about where I sat
> for the exam is through the testing site ID.  Is that what you
> mean?

That, and a handwritten mention of the city within the embossed seal on
the exam report.

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FYI: CCIE Lab Scheduling [7:8342]

2001-06-13 Thread Andrew Shappell

Greetings,
I just scheduled my CCIE R&S Lab and found it rather interesting that the
first available dates in RTP are either in two weeks, 6/26/01, or the middle
of February 2002.  San Jose was not much better.  Either today, 6/13/01, or
the middle of the January 2002.  I chose the February date because I needed
the time to make travel arrangements and to do a little more studying. I was
hoping to take the Lab some time this fall, but I guess that is not going to
happen.  I can't believe there is a six to eight month wait to take the Lab.
I passed the written Exam in late March 2001.  If I would have waited much
longer to schedule the Lab I may have had to take the Written Exam again.  I
think it is time that Cisco looks at adding some additional testing
facilities or additional seats the existing sites.  Any ideas why there is a
6 to 8 month wait for Lab Exams???  Are there that many people taking the
Lab Exam???

Andrew E. Shappell
CCNP & CCDP




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RE: ARP and TCP/IP layering [7:8335]

2001-06-13 Thread Charles Manafa

I think that ARP straddles both Layer 2 and Layer 3. It does not completely
belong to either.

CM

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Sent: 13/06/01 14:58
Subject: ARP and TCP/IP layering [7:8335]

Hi all,

Trivial yet fundamental question. I have seen ARP described as part of
the network (internet) layer so many times that I have started to
believe it belongs there (although I know well that it operates "as if"
the Layer 2 protocol - as per OSI RM). Now I have eventually come across
Doug Comer's statement: "It's part of the network interface layer." 

I should not ask where the truth is but still I will. That would mean
quite a lot of books are incorrect in this (including Cisco materials).

Rita




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Re: Catalyst Gurus [7:8177]

2001-06-13 Thread Brant I. Stevens

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I don't know if this was said, and I apologize if it's a duplicate,
but but I'll say it anyway...

Depending on the version of CatOS you are using, (anything above
5.4x) will include a macro command called set port host.  This
command will automatically turn off the trunking and ether-channeling
(is that a word? :)), and in addition, will automatically set the
port into portfast mode.

- -Brant.
- - Original Message - 
From: "Ethan Haslett" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Catalyst Gurus [7:8177]


> As others have said, check to see if portfast is enabled.  But also
> check to see if
> trunk autonegotiation is enabled and if Etherchannel/Port
> Aggregation Protocol is
> enabled.  These two will typically consume about 18 seconds to
> negotiate and figure
> out that your Fluke (or other device) isn't trunking and isn't
> channelling.  
> 
> Commands:
> show trunk [m/n](look at mode, usually defaults to auto, you
> may want it off)
> show port channel m/n   (look at mode, usually defaults to auto
> silent, you may want it off)
> set trunk m/n off   (turns trunking off completely on this port, no
> negotiation)
> set port channel m/n mode off   (turns channelling off completely
> on this port, no negotiation)
> 
> Ethan
> 
> ""Larry Ogun-Banjo""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > We have just installed some new catalyst switches 650x and 69xx.
> > I have noticed
> > that whenever I connected with a fluke to test connectivity on
> > the ports, 
> it
> > takes approximately 20 secs to get its first contact with another
> > device. 
> I'm
> > aware the switch port needs to learn the mac address etc but I
> > would not 
> have
> > thought it would take so long. Are there any commands that would
> > speedup 
> the
> > network discovery or is this normal behaviour on a new port?
> > Pardon this trivial question but it would help.
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Find Out Features On A Router [7:8343]

2001-06-13 Thread Paul Timmerman

Group,

1.  I inherited some Cisco equipment and want to know if it is under
maintenance.  What number can I call and give them a serial number to find
out if it is under maint.

2.   I need to upgrade this equipment (routers, switches) how do I know what
features my current image supports.  I don't want to cheat anyone by loading
a higher image than I have purchased.


Paul Timmerman
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coaxial cable specs for serial T3 interface [7:8345]

2001-06-13 Thread Stuart Douglas

I know Cisco has this available (CAB-ATM-DS3/E3) but it only comes in 10ft
lengths.  I can make myself cables to the desired length (more like 20ft)
but am curious about cable specs.  The 7140 install guide only mentions the
EIA/TIA-612 & 613 specifications, which leaves many different types of coax
cable as options.  Is there anything beyond those basic specs I need to
concern myself, or will anything rated as such work as long as it and the
BNC connectors are 75 ohm?

Thanks in advance!

Stuart




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Generate Packets for the Lab [7:8347]

2001-06-13 Thread nana

I would like to use router to generate data packets (IP and/or IPX) what
commands can accomplish this?

Thank you




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Re: trouble accessing cisco documentation CD [7:8330]

2001-06-13 Thread Bryan In Richmond

Those CD's are the bane of my existence. I send hate mail to Cisco about
those things. I have systems that they absolutely refuse to install on, even
if I install all of the crap they put on those things. That Netscrape
Castigator is 1997 technology. For GOD's CISCO "IE 5.5". Give me a brake
here. Can't they just make the whole thing html?

I don't always have access to Csico.com.

Sorry for the rant. Please bug TAC about this. If enough people give them
@!#$ they might catch a clue.

Bryan




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> Try to install Netscape which include in Cisco document CD. It should be
no
> problem!!
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> >i have been trying to use the documentation CD but the browser gets a
> >'blank:blank' error.can somebody pls help out?
> >_
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Re: Bandwidth Testing and Monitoring [7:8088]

2001-06-13 Thread nana

pathchar (author V.Jacobson, the author of traceroute) is a good program.
Give it a shot


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> exact bandwidth available on a Frame Relay or ISDN connection?
>
> The purpose of this is for software testing I need to determine the exact
> bandwidth requirements and load on either a Frame or ISDN connection.
>
> Is there any software applications that can do this, or do I need to look
at
> a hardware device to do so?  Any recommendations on software or hardware?
>
> Any help that anyone could give would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
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Re: very urgent [7:8306]

2001-06-13 Thread Brian

Thought about a larger metric route out the isdn interface?

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
Success = Preparation + Opportunity


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Sudhakar Reddy Kanchi wrote:

> senorio
>
> Leased Line with ISDN backup.
>
> 1)we have two branch offices named as X and Y.
>
> 2)we have configured leased line as primary and isdn back up between two
> branch offices,everything is ok and it is working fine.
>
> 3)we have given backup delay as 5 seconds(backup delay 5 60) so that when
> leased line goes dowm ISDN should activate after 5 seconds.
>
> 4)when leased line activate isdn will remain up till 180 seconds.(after 180
> seconds isdn will goes down).
>
> REQUIREMENT
>
> ISDN should activate immediately after the leased line goes down.so that
the
> end users at those branch offices cannot face any problems.
>
> 5)but problem is that when leased line goes down isdn is activating after
60
> seconds(eventhough we have given backup delay as 5 seconds) by that time
all
> applications are shutting down and the  users at those brach offices are
> facing problems.
>
> so what could be the problem.we need isdn should activate immediately after
> leasedline goes down that means with in 5 seconds.
>
>ITS VERY URGENT
>
>THANKS IN ADVANCE
>
>
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ISDN call Command [7:8351]

2001-06-13 Thread STRAND Scott

I need to test if the bri interface used for DDR works without taking the
serial interface down. (Don't ask me why, the reasons are
political). So basically, I just want to see if it works. I've done the "sh
isdn status" to check level 1 & 2 but is it possible to
bring up an interface in this situation? How does the:

isdn call int bri0/0 

command work? I tried this with no luck.

Thanks,
Scott




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aironet stencils [7:8350]

2001-06-13 Thread Sites, Bob

Does anyone know where I can download the Visio stencils for the Aironet
wireless equipment. I have the Cisco stencil pack, but it doesn't include
the Aironet equipment?

Bob Sites
System Engineer, CCNA
Valley Health System, IS Dept.
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Re: ARP and TCP/IP layering [7:8335]

2001-06-13 Thread John Neiberger

This topic has come up a few times in the past and I don't think we ever
came to a common agreement.  Several people made good arguments on both
sides.  I don't recall the specific argument, but I believe someone even
made a convincing argument that it was an application layer function. 
Perhaps someone here remembers that thread and could refresh our
memories.

When most people think of host-to-host communications they think of one
layer on one device speaking to the corresponding layer of another
device.  In this case of ARP I personally feel that we have the network
layer of one device speaking to the datalink layer of another.  Even
that point is a little shaky because at the destination the packet must
reach the network layer to be recognized, but the information desired
from the end station is layer two, not layer three.  

I would also suggest that we determine the layer at which a function
resides by looking at the layer that originated the request for
information.  In this case, it's the desire of the network layer in one
device to speak to the network layer of another device that initiates
this entire process.  An ARP is generated at the request of the network
layer.  This ARP seeks out the destination device, gathers the necessary
information, and delivers that information to the network layer of the
originating device.

Because of those two arguments I'd say that the ARP function overlaps
both the network and datalink layer.  It is a datalink frame generated
at the request of the network layer, and it just doesn't fit perfectly
into either layer.

Then again, I may be wrong.  :-)

Regards,
John

>>> "Dr Rita Puzmanova"  6/13/01 7:58:53 AM >>>
Hi all,

Trivial yet fundamental question. I have seen ARP described as part of
the network (internet) layer so many times that I have started to
believe it belongs there (although I know well that it operates "as
if"
the Layer 2 protocol - as per OSI RM). Now I have eventually come
across
Doug Comer's statement: "It's part of the network interface layer." 

I should not ask where the truth is but still I will. That would mean
quite a lot of books are incorrect in this (including Cisco
materials).

Rita




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IP addressing Books [7:8354]

2001-06-13 Thread Nabil Fares

Greetings all,

Any real good books out there that covers ip addressing. design and
implementation.

thanks,




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Re: ARP and TCP/IP layering [7:8335]

2001-06-13 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>Hi all,
>
>Trivial yet fundamental question. I have seen ARP described as part of
>the network (internet) layer so many times that I have started to
>believe it belongs there (although I know well that it operates "as if"
>the Layer 2 protocol - as per OSI RM). Now I have eventually come across
>Doug Comer's statement: "It's part of the network interface layer."
>
>I should not ask where the truth is but still I will. That would mean
>quite a lot of books are incorrect in this (including Cisco materials).
>
>Rita


Lots of books are indeed wrong, when judged against the ISO Internal 
Organization of the Network Layer document.  Stripping to a minimum 
of OSI speak, what we think of the network layer actually has three 
sublayers, one of which arguably extends into the data link layer or 
at least overlaps it.

The Subnetwork Independent Convergence Layer is the truly 
link-independent part such as IP or CLNP.

The Subnetwork Access Protocol is the interface to intelligent layer 
2 protocols that have payload identification -- X.25, ATM, LLC, etc.

The Subnetwork Dependent Convergence Facility maps between the 
Subnetwork Independent and Subnetwork Access parts.  ARP goes here.

Going a step farther, it's also worth considering the functional as 
well as layering models of B-ISDN/ATM, which identify the U(ser), 
C(ontrol)/signaling and M(anagement) planes at each layer.  ARP is a 
C plane protocol between the end host and the ingress relay, much as 
is Q.931 and Q.2931.  IP routing protocols, PNNI and SS7 are 
relay-to-relay M plane protocols.




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Re: Catalyst Gurus [7:8177]

2001-06-13 Thread Larry Ogun-Banjo

Many thanks to all. My problem has been resolved with the set port host
command.
Hopefully this would help others as well.




"Brant I. Stevens"  on 06/13/2001 05:06:47 PM

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I don't know if this was said, and I apologize if it's a duplicate,
but but I'll say it anyway...

Depending on the version of CatOS you are using, (anything above
5.4x) will include a macro command called set port host.  This
command will automatically turn off the trunking and ether-channeling
(is that a word? :)), and in addition, will automatically set the
port into portfast mode.

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> As others have said, check to see if portfast is enabled.  But also
> check to see if
> trunk autonegotiation is enabled and if Etherchannel/Port
> Aggregation Protocol is
> enabled.  These two will typically consume about 18 seconds to
> negotiate and figure
> out that your Fluke (or other device) isn't trunking and isn't
> channelling.
>
> Commands:
> show trunk [m/n](look at mode, usually defaults to auto, you
> may want it off)
> show port channel m/n   (look at mode, usually defaults to auto
> silent, you may want it off)
> set trunk m/n off   (turns trunking off completely on this port, no
> negotiation)
> set port channel m/n mode off   (turns channelling off completely
> on this port, no negotiation)
>
> Ethan
>
> ""Larry Ogun-Banjo""  wrote in message
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> > We have just installed some new catalyst switches 650x and 69xx.
> > I have noticed
> > that whenever I connected with a fluke to test connectivity on
> > the ports,
> it
> > takes approximately 20 secs to get its first contact with another
> > device.
> I'm
> > aware the switch port needs to learn the mac address etc but I
> > would not
> have
> > thought it would take so long. Are there any commands that would
> > speedup
> the
> > network discovery or is this normal behaviour on a new port?
> > Pardon this trivial question but it would help.
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Support exam [7:8353]

2001-06-13 Thread Patrick Donlon

Hi everyone

I'm about to take the Cisco Support exam and would like to hear from anyone
who has taken it recently, types of questions and any topics in or out will
be appreciated

Also the are the Boson tests worth taking as part of my final preparation?

Just another comment, I'm reading the Exam guide from Osborne and I think
it's terrible,  I've used before mainly Cisco Press and Exam Cram books.

Regards

Patrick Donlon




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RE: aironet stencils [7:8350]

2001-06-13 Thread Stull, Cory

The new stencils do..  just found that out.. You can download them from
Cisco's web site..  I don't know the URL..  If you can't find them let me
know and I can send the zip file to you.

Cory

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Does anyone know where I can download the Visio stencils for the Aironet
wireless equipment. I have the Cisco stencil pack, but it doesn't include
the Aironet equipment?

Bob Sites
System Engineer, CCNA
Valley Health System, IS Dept.
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Re: FYI: CCIE Lab Scheduling [7:8342]

2001-06-13 Thread Peter Van Oene

There are that many people taking the lab.  I'm sure Cisco is doing whatever
they can to ease this backload.

*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 6/13/2001 at 10:54 AM Andrew Shappell wrote:

>Greetings,
>   I just scheduled my CCIE R&S Lab and found it rather interesting that the
>first available dates in RTP are either in two weeks, 6/26/01, or the
>middle
>of February 2002.  San Jose was not much better.  Either today, 6/13/01, or
>the middle of the January 2002.  I chose the February date because I needed
>the time to make travel arrangements and to do a little more studying. I
>was
>hoping to take the Lab some time this fall, but I guess that is not going
>to
>happen.  I can't believe there is a six to eight month wait to take the
>Lab.
>   I passed the written Exam in late March 2001.  If I would have waited much
>longer to schedule the Lab I may have had to take the Written Exam again. 
>I
>think it is time that Cisco looks at adding some additional testing
>facilities or additional seats the existing sites.  Any ideas why there is
>a
>6 to 8 month wait for Lab Exams???  Are there that many people taking the
>Lab Exam???
>
>Andrew E. Shappell
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RE: IP addressing Books [7:8354]

2001-06-13 Thread Irwin Lazar

Hmmm, some fellow named Berkowitz or something like that wrote a fairly
decent book on the topic.  :-)

Seriously,
I highly recommend "Designing Addressing Architectures" by Howard Berkowitz.
I've also heard good things about "Cisco & IP Addressing" by Lou Rossi.

Irwin


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Greetings all,

Any real good books out there that covers ip addressing. design and
implementation.

thanks,




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question on configuring a isdn dialer rotary group [7:8360]

2001-06-13 Thread Buri, Heather H

Hi Gang,

I have been presented with a project to configure a remote isdn connection.
We will be using ISDN to connect a remote site into our central site.  I
have two separate ISDN lines at each end which I want to be able to combine
(multilink) for a total bandwidth of 256.

I believe this can be done using a rotary group but I have never configured
this before.  I am used to configuring legacy ddr.  So I have been looking
on the Cisco site and in documentation cd and there are a couple of
questions I have.  

First, here is some basic information on my two routers.  The central site
is composed of a Cisco 3640 with a bri card and internal NT1's.  The remote
site will have a Cisco 2611 with a bri card and internal NT1's.  I will be
connecting two bri's on each end.  The remote end will be calling in to the
central site but no one on the central site will be calling out.

I have found the following information on the Cisco site regarding
configuring legacy ddr:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_
c/dcbri.htm#21895  

I have a couple of immediate questions.  One is, do I need to identify the
SPID's and if so, where?  Normally I would define these under the bri
interface.  By the way, my switch type is basic-ni on both ends.

Also, under the interface dialer would I need to define a dialer map
statement for each separate channel?  i.e. 

dialer map ip 1.2.3.4 name centralsite broadcast 111222
dialer map ip 1.2.3.4 name centralsite broadcast 111222
dialer map ip 1.2.3.4 name centralsite broadcast 111222
dialer map ip 1.2.3.4 name centralsite broadcast 111222

Here is what I have as far as a config so far on my remote router:

interface BRI1/0
 description **to 84.252 bri 0/0**
 no ip address
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer rotary-group 1
 dialer-group 1
 isdn switch-type basic-ni
 isdn spid1 2814650193000 4650193
 isdn spid2 2814650194000 4650194
 ppp authentication chap pap callin
 ppp multilink
!
interface BRI1/1
 description **to 84.252 bri 0/1**
 no ip address
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer rotary-group 1
 dialer-group 1
 isdn switch-type basic-ni
 isdn spid1 2812974325000 2974325
 isdn spid2 2812974326000 2974326
 ppp authentication chap pap callin
 ppp multilink
!
interface BRI1/2
 no ip address
 shutdown
 isdn switch-type basic-ni
 isdn T203 1
!
interface BRI1/3
 no ip address
 shutdown
 isdn switch-type basic-ni
 isdn T203 1
 --More-- 
interface Dialer1
 ip address 152.x.x.241 255.255.255.252
 encapsulation ppp
 dialer in-band
 dialer idle-timeout 1200
 dialer map ip 152.x.x.242 name centralsite broadcast 7133860442
 dialer map ip 152.x.x.242 name centralsite broadcast 7133860443
 dialer-group 1
 ppp authentication chap
 ppp multilink
!
Thanks for any help or pointers!

Heather Buri   
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Re: IP addressing Books [7:8354]

2001-06-13 Thread hal9001

Cisco and IP Addressing is good you might also try:
 ISBN: 1928994016 - IP Addressing and Subnetting Including IPv6 Published by
Syngress it has good sections on NAT, VLSM, BOOTP, DHCP, Multicast and IPv6

Both will give you fairly good ground work.  Howard a little more advanced.

Karl

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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: IP addressing Books [7:8354]


> Hmmm, some fellow named Berkowitz or something like that wrote a fairly
> decent book on the topic.  :-)
>
> Seriously,
> I highly recommend "Designing Addressing Architectures" by Howard
Berkowitz.
> I've also heard good things about "Cisco & IP Addressing" by Lou Rossi.
>
> Irwin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nabil Fares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:55 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: IP addressing Books [7:8354]
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Any real good books out there that covers ip addressing. design and
> implementation.
>
> thanks,




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RE: WIC_2T cable [7:8108]

2001-06-13 Thread Trevor J Corness, CCNA CCDA

That is the DTE cable, yes..  to connect to a mux, or CSU/DSU etc.  Smart
Serial to V.35 Winchester Male (DTE).


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> Subject: WIC_2T cable [7:8108]
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> SOrry to ask this again but I think I missed your replies for this.
>
> Just want to confirm..
> The cable required for WIC-2T  should be SS-V.35-MT for
> serial connections??
>
> Reg,
>
> Faisal.
>
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Re: IP addressing Books [7:8354]

2001-06-13 Thread John Neiberger

Designing Addressing Architectures by Howard Berkowitz

Learn it, live it, love it.  

>>> "Nabil Fares"  6/13/01 9:55:10 AM >>>
Greetings all,

Any real good books out there that covers ip addressing. design and
implementation.

thanks,




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How I can get a CCO Acount if I am just a student? [7:8364]

2001-06-13 Thread Vilsico

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RE: ISDN call Command [7:8351]

2001-06-13 Thread dragi radovanovic

you might just add a staic ip route pointing through the dialer interface to
the dialer on the other side , and remove backup commands. then try to ping.

Dragi


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What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]

2001-06-13 Thread NetEng Phx

All,

I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to
visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'.  I have read Cisco's material
and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking
for here.

I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and
troubleshooting.  How are the Problems/requirements presented?

For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a
scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely
to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to
conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like: 
"select and OSPF network type to use in your network"?

In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to
discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high level
functionality may or may not be working?  Real world troubleshooting is
usually in response to observed problem, or issue.  Is it fair game to have
something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of
functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod?

Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both?

Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and
cableing on the routers.

Are you required to orally defend your design?

I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just any
input that can help me visualize what it will be like.


Thanks!


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Re: span port [7:8310]

2001-06-13 Thread Bob S

Yes, you will be able to mirror the traffic from the source you've specified 
to the destination port.  There aren't any issue that I know of.


>From: "Adekola, Dennis D" 
>Reply-To: "Adekola, Dennis D" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: span port [7:8310]
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:14:41 -0400
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>i have a server running at 100mb
>and i am trying to mirror the port on a CAT 6509
>with the set span command.
>
>The problem is i have an ethernet card on my laptop which runs at 10mb
>
>The question is will i be able to capture the frames adequately with my 
>10mb
>NIC
>
>
>Thanks for your help
>
>Tade (CCNP)
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Re: catalyst Switches Scenario [7:8323]

2001-06-13 Thread Bob S

A lot of infasructure out there uses Cat6509 for core swithes order it with 
Gig E modules for the subswitches uplink connection.


>From: "ASM" 
>Reply-To: "ASM" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: catalyst Switches Scenario [7:8323]
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:23:27 -0400
>
>hi all
>Hope u could help me in this scenario!!!
>One core switch(10/100/1000) with atleast 8 fiber
>ports is feeding subswitches thru Fiber optic
>backbone.
>Redundancy is also required.
>could anyone suggest the core swicth and the
>subswicthes.
>The subswicthes could be 2924MXL with one fiber
>module.
>The main problem is the selection of Core switch.
>
>any comments
>ASM
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SNMP Counter [7:8369]

2001-06-13 Thread Vlade

I am working on script to keep track of line errors and total packet
throughput using SNMP. All I need to get is the input, output errors and
total packets in and out. The cisco documentation isn't clear enough.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/SNMP/5.html
Does anyone know what variables I should query using snmpget for total
packets? What is the difference between
"interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifOutUcastPkts"  and
"interfaces.ifTable.ifEntry.ifOutNUcastPkts" ? I am assuming that total
packets out is the sum of the 2. I'm not 100% sure if one is the subset of
the other.  Thanks.

vlade




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RE: question on configuring a isdn dialer rotary group [7:8360]

2001-06-13 Thread dragi radovanovic

the biggest question here if you two lines are configured as a hunt group,
which would mean only one phone number for all four b channels. this is
usually the case, so just by having the ppp multilink, you shold be able to
do this. there is one more command that you must not forget:
dialer load-threshold 15 either ("15 either" can be changed, of course)
under your dialer interface.

Your config looks good. 

Dragi


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Re: very urgent [7:8306]

2001-06-13 Thread Ali Amir

Can you paste your config here. Watchout for passwords before you paste.

thanks.


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Re: span port [7:8310]

2001-06-13 Thread Patrick Ramsey

No you will not catch all the frame if they exceed 10mb.  The cat may not
even allow it.  I am not sure.  but if the switch does allow it, and the
data amount exceeds 10mb, then it can not possibly mirror from 100mb to 10mb
which your laptop is set to.

-Patrick

>>> "Bob S"  06/13/01 01:16PM >>>
Yes, you will be able to mirror the traffic from the source you've specified 
to the destination port.  There aren't any issue that I know of.


>From: "Adekola, Dennis D" 
>Reply-To: "Adekola, Dennis D" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: span port [7:8310]
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:14:41 -0400
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>i have a server running at 100mb
>and i am trying to mirror the port on a CAT 6509
>with the set span command.
>
>The problem is i have an ethernet card on my laptop which runs at 10mb
>
>The question is will i be able to capture the frames adequately with my 
>10mb
>NIC
>
>
>Thanks for your help
>
>Tade (CCNP)
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FEC between two Catalyst. [7:8373]

2001-06-13 Thread Lawrence Law

Here is my case:

2 Catalyst 2924XL :

CAT_1 configuration (simplified)
!
interface FastEthernet 0/22
!
interface FastEthernet 0/23
  port group 1
!
interface FastEthernet 0/24
  port group 1
!
interface VLAN1
  ip address 10.5.30.253 255.255.255.0

ip default-gateway 10.5.30.254
!


CAT_2 Configuration (simplified)
!
interface FastEthernet 0/22
!
interface FastEthernet 0/23
  port group 1
!
interface FastEthernet 0/24
  port group 1
!
interface VLAN1
  ip address 10.5.30.252 255.255.255.0

ip default-gateway 10.5.30.254
!

Hope the above info is enough.

Problem:
I am able to telnet both Catalysts from a PC from a 10.5.31.0/24 network,
but I can't telnet/ping from CAT_1 command line interface to CAT_2 VLAN1 ip
or e versa.

Is the problem caused by FEC between them? Any suggestion.

Thanks in advance

Lawrence




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FEC between two Catalysts. [7:8374]

2001-06-13 Thread Lawrence Law

Here is my case:

2 Catalyst 2924XL : A router(e0/1: 10.5.30.254) connected to Fa0/2 of Cat_1.
Cat_1's port 23 & 24 configured FEC are connected to CAT_2's port 23 & 24.

CAT_1 configuration (simplified)
!
interface FastEthernet 0/22
!
interface FastEthernet 0/23
  port group 1
!
interface FastEthernet 0/24
  port group 1
!
interface VLAN1
  ip address 10.5.30.253 255.255.255.0

ip default-gateway 10.5.30.254
!


CAT_2 Configuration (simplified)
!
interface FastEthernet 0/22
!
interface FastEthernet 0/23
  port group 1
!
interface FastEthernet 0/24
  port group 1
!
interface VLAN1
  ip address 10.5.30.252 255.255.255.0

ip default-gateway 10.5.30.254
!

Hope the above info is enough.

Problem:
I am able to telnet both Catalysts from a PC in 10.5.31.0/24 network,
but I can't telnet/ping from CAT_1 command line interface to CAT_2 VLAN1 ip
or e versa.

Is the problem caused by FEC between them? Any suggestion.

Thanks in advance

Lawrence




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OT: selling routers [7:8376]

2001-06-13 Thread Eric Waguespack

sorry for the spam, don't bother flaming, I won't do
it again.

I have some routers and I want to sell them.

I was just looking for a recommendation for a reseller
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re:visio stencils [7:8375]

2001-06-13 Thread Stull, Cory

After some searching I found this in the archives for all those asking...
these DO include the Aironet products..You also DO need a CCO login..

http://www.cisco.com/partner/WWChannels/marketing_promotions/tools/visio/

Thanks
Cory




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Re: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]

2001-06-13 Thread Raul F. Fernandez-IGLOU

Go to www.cciebootcamp.com . They have pretty good write up. I know of 2
guys that just took itand I dont know but they both said they were
going to smoke ityet they both never got invited back on the second day.
Perhaps they undersetimated the amount of material and the little hidden
mines along the way that this exam is famous for. The only thing I disagree
with is the statement that one of the guys made. He did not really care that
he failed but that he had "seen it" and now knew what to do. I think its
this kind of attitude which will cause him more problems. If he tends to
assume that the exam he took is the only blue print he will set himself up
again to fail. Anyway, these guys work with me and said the exam was truly a
monster.

Raul

- Original Message -
From: "NetEng Phx" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:14 PM
Subject: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]


> All,
>
> I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to
> visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'.  I have read Cisco's material
> and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking
> for here.
>
> I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and
> troubleshooting.  How are the Problems/requirements presented?
>
> For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a
> scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely
> to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to
> conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like:
> "select and OSPF network type to use in your network"?
>
> In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to
> discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high
level
> functionality may or may not be working?  Real world troubleshooting is
> usually in response to observed problem, or issue.  Is it fair game to
have
> something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of
> functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod?
>
> Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both?
>
> Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and
> cableing on the routers.
>
> Are you required to orally defend your design?
>
> I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just
any
> input that can help me visualize what it will be like.
>
>
> Thanks!




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Re: Gre tunnel - ip and ipx packet loss -URGENT!!!!!!!! [7:8378]

2001-06-13 Thread Stephen Skinner

i do have one question .

how do you run.

"a gre tunnel between sites across an isp network" over an ethernet 
interface.if its an isp ,that would indicate an external device (might 
explain the tunnel) ... you would be looking at a serial int not a ethernet

"the show int f0/0 commands"

please enlighten me i b confused

steve





>From: "Stephen Skinner" 
>Reply-To: "Stephen Skinner" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Gre tunnel - ip and ipx packet loss -URGENT [7:8212]
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:58:59 -0400
>
>deferred ..as far as i can remember that means either one of two things
>
>you interface is not working properly (joke)...
>
>the packets are defered because thet cannot be put onto the output buffer 
>of
>the interface (sort-of)this has meant to me in the past either  corrupt
>memeory/ios or a not enough memory.in one extreme case it also meant
>swapping the memory in one of my 36`s
>
>check your buffers (I should coco)
>and see if your getting any "misses" and also any "failures"
>if you are getting them on anything quite high (this can depend on how long
>the routers have been up to how many logged errors your getting) apart from
>your middle buffers (normal) you may be going in the right direction...me
>thinks
>
>HTH
>
>steve
>
> >From: "John Kale"
> >Reply-To: "John Kale"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Gre tunnel - ip and ipx packet loss -URGENT [7:8190]
> >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:14:43 -0400
> >
> >hi all,
> >We run a gre tunnel between sites across an isp network...sometimes we 
>lose
> >connectivity (ipx mainly and somtimes both IP & IPX) but the show tunnel
> >and
> >show interface commands gives an up, up status.
> >
> >The only thing unusual is that the show int f0/0 commands reveals a 
>rising
> >number of packets deferred. what does the ' deferred' signify and
> >can anybody pls come up with tips on making this tunnel a trouble free 
>one.
> >
> >regards,
> >
> >
> >John
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RE: frame-relay route question [7:8217]

2001-06-13 Thread Brian

I am a little curiius why you'd want to do no keepalive and disable lmi on
a frame ckt, I mean lmi is how the circuit does a sanity check to check
status.

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Khurrum Shahzad wrote:

> I already configured frame relay ietf encapsulation and lmi disable ( no
> keep alives).
> In my configuration frame relay cloud get data from s1 with dlci 26 and
> gives data on s1 with dlci 27. But in order to this configuration words i
> have to configure 2 additional route ( 26 on s1 and 17 on s0 which is not
> required for my configuraion). In absence of these route configuratio do
not
> work.
>
> It means that cisco route configuration can't work if dlci's do not match
> and not inverse of each other. All other frame-relay switches ( like
> memotec, motrolla ) can works with one way route ad in absence of inverse
> dlci route.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>
> >
> >Hi John,
>
>
> When you set up your frame relay network you have to be sure to give
> your
> interface a dlci and tell it where to go...like you have below...s0 use
> dlci
> 16 to the frame cloud which uses dlci 26 to get to s1.  But then you
> have to
> tell s1 that it needs to use dlci 26 to get back to the frame cloud
> which
> uses dlci 16 to get back to s0.  What you have is serial 1 send down
> dlci 27
> to the frame cloud and forward down s0 on dlci 17.  If you do an show
> frame
> pvc on the routers attached on s1 and s0 you will see that one has dlci
> 16
> assigned and the other has dlci 27 assigned.  But the frame is trying
> to
> send data to them on dlci 26 and dlci 17 which they dont know about.
>
> so you just need to make sure that your dlci's match and that are an
> inverse
> of each other.
>
>
> Here is the output from my current lab:
>
>
> c4500#sh frame route
> Input Intf  Input Dlci  Output Intf Output Dlci Status
> Serial1 102 Serial3 201 active
> Serial2 103 Serial3 301 active
> Serial3 201 Serial1 102 active
> Serial3 301 Serial2 103 active
>
>
> good luck,
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: frame-relay route question [7:8217]
>
>
> If you are connecting to a non-Cisco device you need to set the frame
> relay encapsulation type to ietf and the LMI type to ANSI.  The
> defaults
> are cisco encapsulation type and cisco LMI, neither of which will that
> device understand.  Try that change and let's see if that resolves the
> issue.  If not, please let us know.
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Khurrum Shahzad"  6/12/01 12:13:49 PM >>>
> When connecting cisco router ( as frame-relay switch) with frame relay
> device, I configured frame relay route as
>
> Serial 0Dlci in  16to   Serial 1 Dlci out 26
> Serial 1Dlci in  27to   Serial 0 Dlci out 17
> ( require only these 2 routes)
>
> But "show frame-relay pvc" shows both route status inactive and both
> route
> does not work.
>
> When I give additional two route ( not required )
>
> Serial 1Dlci in  26to   Serial 1 Dlci out 16
> Serial 0Dlci in  17to   Serial 0 Dlci out 27
>
> then both route status become active and configuration works.
>
> Is it necessary that dlci path must be completed?Because sometime it is
> not
> required to complete path of dlci.
>
> Can anybody give me guidence on this topic ?
>
>
>
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Re: trouble accessing cisco documentation CD [7:8330]

2001-06-13 Thread Brian

careful about the included acrobat and netscape, they're likely ancient
versions..

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> [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text]
> Try to install Netscape which include in Cisco document CD. It should be no
> problem!!
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> >i have been trying to use the documentation CD but the browser gets a
> >'blank:blank' error.can somebody pls help out?
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Re: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]

2001-06-13 Thread Stephen Skinner

So ,

the answer to your question`s seem to be .

Yes if your doing a Cisco Exam 

No if your reading info from the CCO

Yes/No depending on who you are talking too..

a Question has just popped into my head..."What else that we quote as 
law (given to us from Cisco and other sources )in incorrect".

now that i would like to know

steve


>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:15:33 -0400
>
>I found myself writing this paragraph for a new writing project:
>
>When NetBEUI and SNA are used on Ethernet networks, they take advantage of
>the reliability of LLC Type 2. Because NetBEUI and SNA are legacy
>protocols, the use of LLC Type 2 is diminishing. However, it is still
>important to learn LLC Type 2 because WAN protocols, such as High-Level
>Data Link Control (HDLC) and Link Access Procedure on the D Channel (LAPD),
>also known as ITU-T Q.921, are based on LLC Type 2. (Cisco's HDLC is
>non-standard and is not based on LLC Type 2, however. Cisco's HDLC is
>connectionless.)
>
>Do I have it backwards? Are HDLC and LAPD based on LLC2, or is it the other
>way around? Any other lies you can pinpoint in my paragraph? I know it's a
>bit awkward still. I will polish it. ;-) Thanks for your help!
>
>Priscilla
>
>Thanks for your help!
>
>Priscilla
>
>
>
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Frame Relay Network [7:8381]

2001-06-13 Thread Khurrum Shahzad

I want some help regarding connecting cisco routers across a frame relay
based TDMA  ( Time Division Multiple Access ) Network. In TDMA network,
main site (hub) is connected to different remote site having remote unit
(each site has differet DLCI). At main site there are two different path, one
for transmission (Tx) and other for Receive (Rx). So at main site a Frame
Relay switch is used to switch data from TX and RX path to DTE device ( e.g
Cisco router). Currently a main cisco router is connected to switch port and
differnt remote router connected to remote terminal (star topology).
The configuration used is at main site subinterfaces are reated for each
remote site and set specific interface dlci for each subinterface).

Configuration at main router

interface s0 
encapsulation frame-relay 
no keep-alive ( as TDMA has lmi disabled)
no ip address

interface s 0.1
ip addr 192.168.21.1 255.255.255.0
frame-relay interface-dlci 17

interface s 0.2
ip addr 192.168.22.1 255.255.255.0
frame-relay interface-dlci 18

and so on as depend on number of remote sites.

Cofiguration at remote sites

interface s 0
encapsulation frame-relay
no keep-alive
no ip address

interface s0.1
ip addr 192.168.21.2 255.255.255.0
frame-relay interface-dlci 17

and same at all remote site routers.

How can I replace frame relay switch by using two serial port of Cisco
router and route data from both TX and Rx path to LAN ethernet port?
I want to eliminate switch and want to take same work with cisco router.

My understanding is that cisco router works as frame relay switch by
receiving data of a specific dlci from a serial port and swich to different
serial port with a differnt or same dlci. Can Cisco router transmit and
receive data of same dlci at different serial ports and route these data to
LAN ethernet interface?



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Re: span port [7:8310]

2001-06-13 Thread Bob S

Cat6509 will allow you to configure SPAN feature even when the two ports 
does not match speed.  It will prevent you to configure the SPAN if the 
source and destination ports are in the same ASIC.

The SPAN configuraion guidelines does not mention that it is not recommended 
tthe both destination and source be in same speed.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_5_5/cnfg_gd/span.htm#14293


>From: "Patrick Ramsey" 
>Reply-To: "Patrick Ramsey" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: span port [7:8310]
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:31:53 -0400
>
>No you will not catch all the frame if they exceed 10mb.  The cat may not
>even allow it.  I am not sure.  but if the switch does allow it, and the
>data amount exceeds 10mb, then it can not possibly mirror from 100mb to 
>10mb
>which your laptop is set to.
>
>-Patrick
>
> >>> "Bob S"  06/13/01 01:16PM >>>
>Yes, you will be able to mirror the traffic from the source you've 
>specified
>to the destination port.  There aren't any issue that I know of.
>
>
> >From: "Adekola, Dennis D"
> >Reply-To: "Adekola, Dennis D"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: span port [7:8310]
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:14:41 -0400
> >
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >i have a server running at 100mb
> >and i am trying to mirror the port on a CAT 6509
> >with the set span command.
> >
> >The problem is i have an ethernet card on my laptop which runs at 10mb
> >
> >The question is will i be able to capture the frames adequately with my
> >10mb
> >NIC
> >
> >
> >Thanks for your help
> >
> >Tade (CCNP)
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Re: OT: selling routers [7:8376]

2001-06-13 Thread Jon

Call Brad at optsys.net -- I sold him some switches a few weeks back.  I
got a fair price, and he sent the check immediately upon receipt of the
boxes.  I wouldn't hesitate to do business with him again, buying or
selling gear.

-jon-

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> 
> I have some routers and I want to sell them.
> 
> I was just looking for a recommendation for a reseller
> that someone has done business with already.

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CCIE lab prep. Is there a syllabus? [7:8385]

2001-06-13 Thread Chris Rock

I just passed the CCIE R&S written, and prepared for this exam using the
road map posted on the Cisco web site.

Is there a similar document for the lab?

I asked one of the CCIE's here at work, and he told me to study
"Everything".  Needless to say, this was not helpful.

Is there something that will place some specific boundaries on what you need
to study?

I have seen info that EXCLUDES certain topics (X.25, Decnet, Vines...), but
nothing that INCLUDES anything.

thanks

Chris




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Re: OT: selling routers [7:8376]

2001-06-13 Thread Brian

groupstudy.com has a list of vendors at
http://www.groupstudy.com/links/autolink/generator.php?cat=products, I'm
sure at least a few of them wouldn't mind doing business with you.

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Eric Waguespack wrote:

> sorry for the spam, don't bother flaming, I won't do
> it again.
>
> I have some routers and I want to sell them.
>
> I was just looking for a recommendation for a reseller
> that someone has done business with already.
>
>
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A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]

2001-06-13 Thread hal9001

Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be
worth something though:

Mind the wrap.

http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT

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RE: selling routers [7:8376]

2001-06-13 Thread Daniel Cotts

Consider that there is a "retail" and a "wholesale" price for used gear.
Most of us who buy on eBay or from resellers pay retail. When you sell you
get wholesale. May I suggest that you look on eBay under completed auctions
for a ballpark figure for your equipment. Then put it up for sale to
individuals at 75-90% of used retail. All would benefit.
BTW What do you have?

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> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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RE: frame-relay route question [7:8217]

2001-06-13 Thread Khurrum Shahzad

The device with which I am connecting cisco has lmi disabled.


>
I am a little curiius why you'd want to do no >keepalive and disable lmi 
>on
>a frame ckt, I mean lmi is how the circuit does a >sanity check to check
>status.

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Khurrum Shahzad wrote:

> I already configured frame relay ietf encapsulation and lmi disable ( 
no
> keep alives).
> In my configuration frame relay cloud get data from s1 with dlci 26 
and
> gives data on s1 with dlci 27. But in order to this configuration 
words i
> have to configure 2 additional route ( 26 on s1 and 17 on s0 which is 
not
> required for my configuraion). In absence of these route configuratio 
do not
> work.
>
> It means that cisco route configuration can't work if dlci's do not 
match
> and not inverse of each other. All other frame-relay switches ( like
> memotec, motrolla ) can works with one way route ad in absence of 
inverse
> dlci route.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>
> >
> >Hi John,
>
>
> When you set up your frame relay network you have to be sure to give
> your
> interface a dlci and tell it where to go...like you have below...s0 
use
> dlci
> 16 to the frame cloud which uses dlci 26 to get to s1.  But then you
> have to
> tell s1 that it needs to use dlci 26 to get back to the frame cloud
> which
> uses dlci 16 to get back to s0.  What you have is serial 1 send down
> dlci 27
> to the frame cloud and forward down s0 on dlci 17.  If you do an show
> frame
> pvc on the routers attached on s1 and s0 you will see that one has 
dlci
> 16
> assigned and the other has dlci 27 assigned.  But the frame is trying
> to
> send data to them on dlci 26 and dlci 17 which they dont know about.
>
> so you just need to make sure that your dlci's match and that are an
> inverse
> of each other.
>
>
> Here is the output from my current lab:
>
>
> c4500#sh frame route
> Input Intf  Input Dlci  Output Intf Output Dlci 
Status
> Serial1 102 Serial3 201 
active
> Serial2 103 Serial3 301 
active
> Serial3 201 Serial1 102 
active
> Serial3 301 Serial2 103 
active
>
>
> good luck,
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: frame-relay route question [7:8217]
>
>
> If you are connecting to a non-Cisco device you need to set the frame
> relay encapsulation type to ietf and the LMI type to ANSI.  The
> defaults
> are cisco encapsulation type and cisco LMI, neither of which will 
that
> device understand.  Try that change and let's see if that resolves 
the
> issue.  If not, please let us know.
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Khurrum Shahzad"  6/12/01 12:13:49 PM >>>
> When connecting cisco router ( as frame-relay switch) with frame 
relay
> device, I configured frame relay route as
>
> Serial 0Dlci in  16to   Serial 1 Dlci out 26
> Serial 1Dlci in  27to   Serial 0 Dlci out 17
> ( require only these 2 routes)
>
> But "show frame-relay pvc" shows both route status inactive and both
> route
> does not work.
>
> When I give additional two route ( not required )
>
> Serial 1Dlci in  26to   Serial 1 Dlci out 16
> Serial 0Dlci in  17to   Serial 0 Dlci out 27
>
> then both route status become active and configuration works.
>
> Is it necessary that dlci path must be completed?Because sometime it 
is
> not
> required to complete path of dlci.
>
> Can anybody give me guidence on this topic ?
>
>
>
>

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Re: very urgent [7:8306]

2001-06-13 Thread Scott Hoover

Remove backup statements for primary and add a floating static pointed out
BRI (or dialer) with an adminstrative distance higher than your IGP.  Don't
forget to redistribute these routes into your IGP.

""Sudhakar Reddy Kanchi""  wrote in message
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> senorio
>
> Leased Line with ISDN backup.
>
> 1)we have two branch offices named as X and Y.
>
> 2)we have configured leased line as primary and isdn back up between two
> branch offices,everything is ok and it is working fine.
>
> 3)we have given backup delay as 5 seconds(backup delay 5 60) so that when
> leased line goes dowm ISDN should activate after 5 seconds.
>
> 4)when leased line activate isdn will remain up till 180 seconds.(after
180
> seconds isdn will goes down).
>
> REQUIREMENT
>
> ISDN should activate immediately after the leased line goes down.so that
the
> end users at those branch offices cannot face any problems.
>
> 5)but problem is that when leased line goes down isdn is activating after
60
> seconds(eventhough we have given backup delay as 5 seconds) by that time
all
> applications are shutting down and the  users at those brach offices are
> facing problems.
>
> so what could be the problem.we need isdn should activate immediately
after
> leasedline goes down that means with in 5 seconds.
>
>ITS VERY URGENT
>
>THANKS IN ADVANCE
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Re: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]

2001-06-13 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>"Stephen Skinner"  raised the interesting points,



>So ,
>
>the answer to your question`s seem to be .
>
>Yes if your doing a Cisco Exam 
>
>No if your reading info from the CCO
>
>Yes/No depending on who you are talking too..
>
>a Question has just popped into my head..."What else that we quote as
>law (given to us from Cisco and other sources )in incorrect".
>
>now that i would like to know
>
>steve


You've just crystallized in my mind the reason I'm always vaguely 
uncomfortable about the people that want more and more advanced Cisco 
certifications, as well as arguing the gospel according to various 
review books rather than the original specifications.

There are definitely errors in Cisco material.  In the past, certain 
training developers simply didn't want to change them "because it 
would confuse people."  There are other reasons, significantly 
including that the average course or test developer is not a subject 
matter expert.  Indeed, I know of firms to which Cisco outsourced 
course development which actively did not want subject matter experts 
writing courses, but instructional methodology people -- even if the 
subject matter expert was an experienced instructor and course 
developer. I literally got a downcheck in my performance review at 
Geotrain because I insisted on being a technical authority rather 
than managing external experts.

If I were hiring someone for a network design role, much less product 
development, I'd be far less impressed by someone that had nine 
specialized CCIE certifications, than someone who had published in 
independent technical forums, could document real network design 
experience, etc. Nortel's certified architect program, among other 
things, requires candidates to document five networks they have 
designed, with their assumptions and design choices.

The US military has had a lot of success with intensive training -- 
train like you fight, fight like you train.  But there is a huge 
difference in correspondence to reality of something like the CCIE 
lab, and running tank battalions around the National Training Center 
at Fort Irwin.  The CCIE lab has an artificially small number of 
routers; the NTC consciously outnumbers the US troops with people 
with home field advantage--but regards the experience first as 
learning and second as testing.

>
>
>>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]
>>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:15:33 -0400
>>
>>I found myself writing this paragraph for a new writing project:
>>
>>When NetBEUI and SNA are used on Ethernet networks, they take advantage of
>>the reliability of LLC Type 2. Because NetBEUI and SNA are legacy
>>protocols, the use of LLC Type 2 is diminishing. However, it is still
>>important to learn LLC Type 2 because WAN protocols, such as High-Level
>>Data Link Control (HDLC) and Link Access Procedure on the D Channel (LAPD),
>>also known as ITU-T Q.921, are based on LLC Type 2. (Cisco's HDLC is
>>non-standard and is not based on LLC Type 2, however. Cisco's HDLC is
>>connectionless.)
>>
>>Do I have it backwards? Are HDLC and LAPD based on LLC2, or is it the other
>>way around? Any other lies you can pinpoint in my paragraph? I know it's a
>>bit awkward still. I will polish it. ;-) Thanks for your help!
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>Thanks for your help!
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
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RE: frame-relay route question [7:8217]

2001-06-13 Thread Khurrum Shahzad

The device with which I am connecting cisco has lmi disabled.


>
I am a little curiius why you'd want to do no >keepalive and disable lmi 
>on
>a frame ckt, I mean lmi is how the circuit does a >sanity check to check
>status.

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
Success = Preparation + Opportunity


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Khurrum Shahzad wrote:

> I already configured frame relay ietf encapsulation and lmi disable ( 
no
> keep alives).
> In my configuration frame relay cloud get data from s1 with dlci 26 
and
> gives data on s1 with dlci 27. But in order to this configuration 
words i
> have to configure 2 additional route ( 26 on s1 and 17 on s0 which is 
not
> required for my configuraion). In absence of these route configuratio 
do not
> work.
>
> It means that cisco route configuration can't work if dlci's do not 
match
> and not inverse of each other. All other frame-relay switches ( like
> memotec, motrolla ) can works with one way route ad in absence of 
inverse
> dlci route.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>
> >
> >Hi John,
>
>
> When you set up your frame relay network you have to be sure to give
> your
> interface a dlci and tell it where to go...like you have below...s0 
use
> dlci
> 16 to the frame cloud which uses dlci 26 to get to s1.  But then you
> have to
> tell s1 that it needs to use dlci 26 to get back to the frame cloud
> which
> uses dlci 16 to get back to s0.  What you have is serial 1 send down
> dlci 27
> to the frame cloud and forward down s0 on dlci 17.  If you do an show
> frame
> pvc on the routers attached on s1 and s0 you will see that one has 
dlci
> 16
> assigned and the other has dlci 27 assigned.  But the frame is trying
> to
> send data to them on dlci 26 and dlci 17 which they dont know about.
>
> so you just need to make sure that your dlci's match and that are an
> inverse
> of each other.
>
>
> Here is the output from my current lab:
>
>
> c4500#sh frame route
> Input Intf  Input Dlci  Output Intf Output Dlci 
Status
> Serial1 102 Serial3 201 
active
> Serial2 103 Serial3 301 
active
> Serial3 201 Serial1 102 
active
> Serial3 301 Serial2 103 
active
>
>
> good luck,
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: frame-relay route question [7:8217]
>
>
> If you are connecting to a non-Cisco device you need to set the frame
> relay encapsulation type to ietf and the LMI type to ANSI.  The
> defaults
> are cisco encapsulation type and cisco LMI, neither of which will 
that
> device understand.  Try that change and let's see if that resolves 
the
> issue.  If not, please let us know.
>
> HTH,
> John
>
> >>> "Khurrum Shahzad"  6/12/01 12:13:49 PM >>>
> When connecting cisco router ( as frame-relay switch) with frame 
relay
> device, I configured frame relay route as
>
> Serial 0Dlci in  16to   Serial 1 Dlci out 26
> Serial 1Dlci in  27to   Serial 0 Dlci out 17
> ( require only these 2 routes)
>
> But "show frame-relay pvc" shows both route status inactive and both
> route
> does not work.
>
> When I give additional two route ( not required )
>
> Serial 1Dlci in  26to   Serial 1 Dlci out 16
> Serial 0Dlci in  17to   Serial 0 Dlci out 27
>
> then both route status become active and configuration works.
>
> Is it necessary that dlci path must be completed?Because sometime it 
is
> not
> required to complete path of dlci.
>
> Can anybody give me guidence on this topic ?
>
>
>
>

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Re: span port [7:8310]

2001-06-13 Thread Patrick Ramsey

I could see allowing it...  But capturing data will only be correct up to
10mb.

I guess if the server is slow, then that would not be a problem. But if you
have some high end unix servers with 5,000+ users logged in at any one given
time, that 10mb gets eaten up real quick.. :)

>>> "Bob S"  06/13/01 02:02PM >>>
Cat6509 will allow you to configure SPAN feature even when the two ports 
does not match speed.  It will prevent you to configure the SPAN if the 
source and destination ports are in the same ASIC.

The SPAN configuraion guidelines does not mention that it is not recommended 
tthe both destination and source be in same speed.

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw_5_5/cnfg_gd/span.htm#14293
 


>From: "Patrick Ramsey" 
>Reply-To: "Patrick Ramsey" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: Re: span port [7:8310]
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:31:53 -0400
>
>No you will not catch all the frame if they exceed 10mb.  The cat may not
>even allow it.  I am not sure.  but if the switch does allow it, and the
>data amount exceeds 10mb, then it can not possibly mirror from 100mb to 
>10mb
>which your laptop is set to.
>
>-Patrick
>
> >>> "Bob S"  06/13/01 01:16PM >>>
>Yes, you will be able to mirror the traffic from the source you've 
>specified
>to the destination port.  There aren't any issue that I know of.
>
>
> >From: "Adekola, Dennis D"
> >Reply-To: "Adekola, Dennis D"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >Subject: span port [7:8310]
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:14:41 -0400
> >
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >i have a server running at 100mb
> >and i am trying to mirror the port on a CAT 6509
> >with the set span command.
> >
> >The problem is i have an ethernet card on my laptop which runs at 10mb
> >
> >The question is will i be able to capture the frames adequately with my
> >10mb
> >NIC
> >
> >
> >Thanks for your help
> >
> >Tade (CCNP)
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OT: 3com ATM equipment for sale or trade [7:8394]

2001-06-13 Thread Davis, Scott [ISE/RAC]

Due to an upgrade at one of our sites, I will soon have 2 3Com Corebuilder
7000HD chassis switches coming out of service. Each one has redundant power
and supervisor modules, 1 OC-3 blade with 4 populated ports. One has 3 7600
16 port 100bTX ports and the other has 8 100bFX and 8 100bTX ports with 2
empty slots. Any speculation on trade or monetary value. I checked Ebay and
the only 7000 on there had only one blade and looked a bit over-priced and
junked out.

offline replies are probably the best idea,
Scott




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Re: Quiz:"auto proxy IP" [7:8308]

2001-06-13 Thread ElephantChild

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Susan Stone wrote:

> Hi..  We need to do the auto-proxy solution for browsing.  I have a main 
> proxy's IP 10.0.0.6 and back up proxy 10.0.0.7.  I need to all my IE
clients
> to point to a "auto IP address" let say 10.0.0.5 which can actually point
to
> 10.0.0.6 when both are on line, if 10.0.0.6 go down, it will automatically 
> point to the back up proxy 10.0.0.7.  What is the better way to do it. 
How
> about in Cisco way?  Any idea?

If by "proxy" you mean "default router", go to http://www.cisco.com/ and
search for HSRP. If you're thinking of an HTTP proxy, your best bet is
to forget about 10.0.0.5 and just declare a single proxy in your DNS
zone file, with 2 addresses, as in

proxy.your.domain.goes.there.   IN A 10.0.0.6
IN A 10.0.0.7

Then you can just configure proxy.your.domain.goes.there. as the HTTP
proxy in your users' browsers and forget that there are 2 addresses
behind that name. 

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Re: IIS5 migration [7:8326]

2001-06-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OK,

you have a CCNP and a MCSE and you post this question to a Cisco group.

Get a life!




   
  
"Shawn
Xu"

cc:
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[7:8326]
   
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dy.com
   
  
   
  
   
13/06/2001
   
13:29
Please
respond
to "Shawn
Xu"
   
  
   
  




Hi, everybody:

We have a Windows 2000 server IIS5 running, and so many web sites on it.
Now
we want to implement load balancing and fault tolerance functions, so that
we have to build Windows 2000 Advanced Server machines, because you can not

upgrade Windows 2000 Server to Windows 2000 Advanced Server.However some
web
sites are very difficult to set them up, and we did a long time ago
supported by developers. So I don't want to manually build each site, is
there any way for us to migrate Windows 2000 Server IIS5 configurations to
Windows 2000 Advanced Server IIS5?

Please help. Thanks.

Shawn Xu
CCNP,MCSE

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RE: frame-relay route question [7:8217]

2001-06-13 Thread Jim Dixon

I am curious how you would troubleshoot this circuit
without the LMI being on it?

Are you saying that you can transmit data without LMI over Frame?
OK...  How do you accomplish this?

-Original Message-
From: Khurrum Shahzad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:23 PM

The device with which I am connecting cisco has lmi disabled.

>I am a little curiius why you'd want to do no >keepalive and disable lmi 
>on a frame ckt, I mean lmi is how the circuit does a >sanity check to check
status.

Brian "Sonic" Whalen

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Khurrum Shahzad wrote:

> I already configured frame relay ietf encapsulation and lmi disable ( no
keep alives).
> In my configuration frame relay cloud get data from s1 with dlci 26 and
gives data on s1 with dlci 27. But in order to this configuration words i
have to configure 2 additional route ( 26 on s1 and 17 on s0 which is not
required for my configuraion). In absence of these route configuratio




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Re: Errata for Howard's "Designing Addressing Architectures" [7:8397]

2001-06-13 Thread ElephantChild

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

> >Has anyone come across an errata for "Designing Addressing Architectures
> >for Routing and Switching" by the well-known Howard C. Berkowitz?  Or,
come
> >to that, for "Designing Routing and Switching Architectures for Enterprise
> >Networks", although I haven't read that one yet?
> >Yes, I have checked the MTP website, and tried emailing New Riders (they
> >appear to have taken over MTP), but no response.
> 
> The well-known Howard C. Berkowitz hasn't found one, which is one of 
> the reasons he works with Wiley these days, not 
> Pearson/MTP/NewRiders/etc.

If there are well-known Berkowitzes (Berkowitzen?), logic dictates that
there should be dynamically allocated Berkowitze[sn] too. Has anyone
seen one of those? 

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Re: Bridging IRB versus CRB [7:8331]

2001-06-13 Thread Marc Russell

CRB allows to bridge and route a particular routed protocol, but not between
the bridged and routed domains.

IRB allows you to route from the bridged domain to the routed domain using a
BVI interface.

Marc Russell
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> In CRB. Concurrent Routing & Bridging can route a protocol on one group of
> interfaces & bridge that protocol on another group of interfaces
> The traffic on each group of interfaces cannot be switched between groups
> unless either of the following conditions are met:
>
> 1)Bridged Interfaces are given Network layer address
> 2)Routed interfaces are put in the bridge group.
>
> Once either of these two conditions are met you are routing and bridging
on
> the same interface.? My question is ,isn't this is what IRB (integrated
> routing & bridging) is ment to achieve.? If so what is the
> difference?
>
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Re: voip white papers [7:8317]

2001-06-13 Thread Marc Russell

We have some Cisco specific ones at http://www.ccbootcamp.com/download/


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RE: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]

2001-06-13 Thread Kane, Christopher A.

Where can you get manageable copies of the original specifications? I've
only been in this environment for 3 1/2 years, I'm trying to grasp as much
knowledge as possible as quickly as possible. Reading certification books
seems like a good first step. My goal is to someday be precise to the point
of being able to quote RFCs and original specs. Does anyone have any book
recommendations or do I have to keep downloading RFCs?

My reading list right now includes:

Various Cisco Press books (taking CID test tomorrow)
Computer Networks 3rd edition (Andrew S. Tanenbaum)
Designing Routing and Switching Architectures for Enterprise Networks
(Berkowitz)
IPSEC (Doraswamy)


Christopher A. Kane, CCNP/CCDA



-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]


>"Stephen Skinner"  raised the interesting points,



>So ,
>
>the answer to your question`s seem to be .
>
>Yes if your doing a Cisco Exam 
>
>No if your reading info from the CCO
>
>Yes/No depending on who you are talking too..
>
>a Question has just popped into my head..."What else that we quote as
>law (given to us from Cisco and other sources )in incorrect".
>
>now that i would like to know
>
>steve


You've just crystallized in my mind the reason I'm always vaguely 
uncomfortable about the people that want more and more advanced Cisco 
certifications, as well as arguing the gospel according to various 
review books rather than the original specifications.

There are definitely errors in Cisco material.  In the past, certain 
training developers simply didn't want to change them "because it 
would confuse people."  There are other reasons, significantly 
including that the average course or test developer is not a subject 
matter expert.  Indeed, I know of firms to which Cisco outsourced 
course development which actively did not want subject matter experts 
writing courses, but instructional methodology people -- even if the 
subject matter expert was an experienced instructor and course 
developer. I literally got a downcheck in my performance review at 
Geotrain because I insisted on being a technical authority rather 
than managing external experts.

If I were hiring someone for a network design role, much less product 
development, I'd be far less impressed by someone that had nine 
specialized CCIE certifications, than someone who had published in 
independent technical forums, could document real network design 
experience, etc. Nortel's certified architect program, among other 
things, requires candidates to document five networks they have 
designed, with their assumptions and design choices.

The US military has had a lot of success with intensive training -- 
train like you fight, fight like you train.  But there is a huge 
difference in correspondence to reality of something like the CCIE 
lab, and running tank battalions around the National Training Center 
at Fort Irwin.  The CCIE lab has an artificially small number of 
routers; the NTC consciously outnumbers the US troops with people 
with home field advantage--but regards the experience first as 
learning and second as testing.

>
>
>>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]
>>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:15:33 -0400
>>
>>I found myself writing this paragraph for a new writing project:
>>
>>When NetBEUI and SNA are used on Ethernet networks, they take advantage of
>>the reliability of LLC Type 2. Because NetBEUI and SNA are legacy
>>protocols, the use of LLC Type 2 is diminishing. However, it is still
>>important to learn LLC Type 2 because WAN protocols, such as High-Level
>>Data Link Control (HDLC) and Link Access Procedure on the D Channel
(LAPD),
>>also known as ITU-T Q.921, are based on LLC Type 2. (Cisco's HDLC is
>>non-standard and is not based on LLC Type 2, however. Cisco's HDLC is
>>connectionless.)
>>
>>Do I have it backwards? Are HDLC and LAPD based on LLC2, or is it the
other
>>way around? Any other lies you can pinpoint in my paragraph? I know it's a
>>bit awkward still. I will polish it. ;-) Thanks for your help!
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>Thanks for your help!
>>
>>Priscilla
>>
>>
>>
>>Priscilla Oppenheimer
>>http://www.priscilla.com
>_
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Re: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]

2001-06-13 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 03:18 PM 6/13/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
> >"Stephen Skinner"  raised the interesting points,
>
>
>
> >So ,
> >
> >the answer to your question`s seem to be .
> >
> >Yes if your doing a Cisco Exam 
> >
> >No if your reading info from the CCO
> >
> >Yes/No depending on who you are talking too..
> >
> >a Question has just popped into my head..."What else that we quote as
> >law (given to us from Cisco and other sources )in incorrect".
> >
> >now that i would like to know
> >
> >steve
>
>
>You've just crystallized in my mind the reason I'm always vaguely
>uncomfortable about the people that want more and more advanced Cisco
>certifications, as well as arguing the gospel according to various
>review books rather than the original specifications.
>
>There are definitely errors in Cisco material.  In the past, certain
>training developers simply didn't want to change them "because it
>would confuse people."  There are other reasons, significantly
>including that the average course or test developer is not a subject
>matter expert.  Indeed, I know of firms to which Cisco outsourced
>course development which actively did not want subject matter experts
>writing courses, but instructional methodology people

Yuck! I despised this aspect of training at Cisco. It's the number one 
reason I'm not there any more. Cisco thought a course developer could write 
on any topic as long as there were SMEs available. That's why we have so 
many dribble bits in Cisco courses.

Now, some of the developers weren't like this, of course, but it was the 
management philosophy.

>  -- even if the
>subject matter expert was an experienced instructor and course
>developer. I literally got a downcheck in my performance review at
>Geotrain because I insisted on being a technical authority rather
>than managing external experts.
>
>If I were hiring someone for a network design role, much less product
>development, I'd be far less impressed by someone that had nine
>specialized CCIE certifications, than someone who had published in
>independent technical forums, could document real network design
>experience, etc. Nortel's certified architect program, among other
>things, requires candidates to document five networks they have
>designed, with their assumptions and design choices.
>
>The US military has had a lot of success with intensive training --
>train like you fight, fight like you train.  But there is a huge
>difference in correspondence to reality of something like the CCIE
>lab, and running tank battalions around the National Training Center
>at Fort Irwin.  The CCIE lab has an artificially small number of
>routers; the NTC consciously outnumbers the US troops with people
>with home field advantage--but regards the experience first as
>learning and second as testing.
>
> >
> >
> >>From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >>Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: LLC Type 2 [7:8262]
> >>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:15:33 -0400
> >>
> >>I found myself writing this paragraph for a new writing project:
> >>
> >>When NetBEUI and SNA are used on Ethernet networks, they take advantage
of
> >>the reliability of LLC Type 2. Because NetBEUI and SNA are legacy
> >>protocols, the use of LLC Type 2 is diminishing. However, it is still
> >>important to learn LLC Type 2 because WAN protocols, such as High-Level
> >>Data Link Control (HDLC) and Link Access Procedure on the D Channel
(LAPD),
> >>also known as ITU-T Q.921, are based on LLC Type 2. (Cisco's HDLC is
> >>non-standard and is not based on LLC Type 2, however. Cisco's HDLC is
> >>connectionless.)
> >>
> >>Do I have it backwards? Are HDLC and LAPD based on LLC2, or is it the
other
> >>way around? Any other lies you can pinpoint in my paragraph? I know it's
a
> >>bit awkward still. I will polish it. ;-) Thanks for your help!
> >>
> >>Priscilla
> >>
> >>Thanks for your help!
> >>
> >>Priscilla
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Priscilla Oppenheimer
> >>http://www.priscilla.com
> >_
> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.


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CCNP materail [7:8404]

2001-06-13 Thread Sangram Mohapatra

if anyone has CCNP material to share , donate , or recommend.  Please advice.

Sangram




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Re: Errata for Howard's "Designing Addressing Architectures" [7:8403]

2001-06-13 Thread John Neiberger

But what about the Mandatory, Optional, Transitive, and Non-Transitive
Berkowitzes?

>>> "ElephantChild"  6/13/01 2:05:53 PM >>>
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

> >Has anyone come across an errata for "Designing Addressing
Architectures
> >for Routing and Switching" by the well-known Howard C. Berkowitz? 
Or,
come
> >to that, for "Designing Routing and Switching Architectures for
Enterprise
> >Networks", although I haven't read that one yet?
> >Yes, I have checked the MTP website, and tried emailing New Riders
(they
> >appear to have taken over MTP), but no response.
> 
> The well-known Howard C. Berkowitz hasn't found one, which is one of

> the reasons he works with Wiley these days, not 
> Pearson/MTP/NewRiders/etc.

If there are well-known Berkowitzes (Berkowitzen?), logic dictates
that
there should be dynamically allocated Berkowitze[sn] too. Has anyone
seen one of those? 

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was
about to decline, saying that my complete ignorance of the subject
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me unsuitable, then I thought again, that maybe it doesn't, as driving
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Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]

2001-06-13 Thread Jennifer Cribbs

A better link for this site is:

http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer

Jennifer Cribbs

6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001"  wrote:

>Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be
>worth something though:
>
>Mind the wrap.
>
>http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT
>
>Karl
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Have a great day!!
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Frame Relay Encapsulation and LMI [7:8406]

2001-06-13 Thread John Neiberger

In response to the current frame relay switching thread I setup a little
experiment at home last night.  I configured frame relay switching
between a hub and two spoke routers, all three using Cisco encapsulation
and LMI.  Show frame pvc indicated that all circuits were active.

Then on one of the spokes I changed the encapsulation to IETF and then
reset the interface.  To my surprise the circuit came back active and
stayed that way.  I thought for certain that it would go inactive but it
did not.

I then changed the LMI type on the same router to ANSI and the circuit
died a quick death.  

So, it seems that the encapsulation type did not effect the circuit
status.  I guess to understand this more I need to find the frame
formats for Cisco and ANSI frame relay.  Perhaps they are slightly
interoperable but one has different features than the other. 
Regardless, I didn't expect the circuit to stay up, but it did.

If I later discover why this occurred I will post to the list.

Regards,
John




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Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? click [7:8407]

2001-06-13 Thread Jennifer Cribbs

click telecommunications book club adn look at the whole series>
>http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer
>
>Jennifer Cribbs
>
>6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001"  wrote:
>
>>Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be
>>worth something though:
>>
>>Mind the wrap.
>>
>>http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT
>>
>>Karl
>>IMPORTANT NOTICE:
>>This message is intended solely for the use of the Individual or
>>organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or
>>confidential information.  If you have received this message in error,
>>please notify the originator immediately.
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>>disclose the contents of this message.  All information or opinions
>>expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author
and
>>are not necessarily those of Karl or Pauline HUTCHINSON.
>>Karl & Pauline HUTCHINSON accepts no responsibility
>>for loss or damage arising from its use, including damage from virus.
>Have a great day!!
>Jennifer 
>
>
>
>

Have a great day!!
Jennifer




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RE: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]

2001-06-13 Thread Bolton, Travis

It looks like a good deal but I'm skeptical since you have to buy one more
selection within a year.  Is this selection just a single textbook or one of
their kits?  I would call them to verify.

-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]


A better link for this site is:

http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer

Jennifer Cribbs

6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001"  wrote:

>Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be
>worth something though:
>
>Mind the wrap.
>
>http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT
>
>Karl
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and
>are not necessarily those of Karl or Pauline HUTCHINSON.
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Have a great day!!
Jennifer




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Complete Redundancy [7:8409]

2001-06-13 Thread Andy Barkl

I have a client who needs "absolute" complete redundancy for their Internet 
service.

I assume they should be using 2 separate links with different ISPs. What I 
don't have hands-on experience with is the physical connections and HSRP.

Will I connect both routers to the local switch and then configure HSRP 
between them?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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RE: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]

2001-06-13 Thread Jennifer Cribbs

6/13/2001 5:15:15 PM, Jennifer Cribbs  wrote:

>I did it a few minutes ago, and my reasoning behind it is:
>
>They don't ask for credit card info on the site...Just a place to ship the
books, and yes it appears that there are 3
books 
>and 2 cds.  One of the books is over 1000 pages.  I love books and buy many
more than one per yr.  I buy about 5
>every few months of something or other.  I usually buy computer books in
bransom mo for 1.00 each if they are more
>than a yr old.  So, being a bargain hunter, I feel like this is a great
10.00 deal.  And if I get rippedit only 10.00.  If it
>was 65.00 or something, I probably would not do it.  But 10.00, I can
handle and take the loss
>
>So, yes they are kits.  click and look
>
>Jennifer 
>
>6/13/2001 3:49:25 PM, "Bolton, Travis"  wrote:
>
>>It looks like a good deal but I'm skeptical since you have to buy one more
>>selection within a year.  Is this selection just a single textbook or one
of
>>their kits?  I would call them to verify.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 3:40 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: A Good Deal??? CCIE Books for Peanuts? [7:8387]
>>
>>
>>A better link for this site is:
>>
>>http://tcbc.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagAcceptOffer
>>
>>Jennifer Cribbs
>>
>>6/13/2001 2:04:53 PM, "hal9001"  wrote:
>>
>>>Please see this link, I am in the UK so I can't take advantage, must be
>>>worth something though:
>>>
>>>Mind the wrap.
>>>
>>>http://161.58.99.48/cgi-local/redirect.pl?MURSBVENT
>>>
>>>Karl
>>>IMPORTANT NOTICE:
>>>This message is intended solely for the use of the Individual or
>>>organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or
>>>confidential information.  If you have received this message in error,
>>>please notify the originator immediately.
>>>
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>>>expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author
>>and
>>>are not necessarily those of Karl or Pauline HUTCHINSON.
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>>>for loss or damage arising from its use, including damage from virus.
>>Have a great day!!
>>Jennifer
>Have a great day!!
>Jennifer 
>

Have a great day!!
Jennifer




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