RE: Wireless LANS
How about "Anyone who makes the agument today that any single technology is appropriate for everyone is stupid!"??? Wireless is cool, and has many applications, but not everybody needs it. There are many situations where it would be impractical or simply inappropriate. I know it is all in good fun, but I am not sure that it benefits anybody to have NPA members practice justifying claims that are simply ludicrous. Why not investigate the top 5 most unexpected wireless success scenarios, or something like that, if you simply want to get people excited about learning new technologies? Sorry for the overwhelming negativity, but it *is* Monday... Dale [=`) From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Wireless LANS Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:33:33 -0800 At 11:56 AM 10/30/00, Stanfield Hilman B (Brad) CONT NNSY wrote: Three words... SECURITY - SECURITY - SECURITY Three words: ENCRYPTION, ENCRYPTION, ENCRYPTION ;-) How many of us use encryption on wired LANs? Probably not many. But everyone seems to use encryption on wireless LANs, at least 802.11 wireless, which is what I'm familiar with... So that seems like an advantage, not a disadvantage. The disadvantages I can think of for wireless are: 1. It's pretty slow ( 11 Mbps shared bandwidth) 2. Mobile wireless is fraught with issues. How do you get a new IP address when you move from subnet to subnet? (Of course, that's not too straightforward on wired either, come to think of it.) Priscilla Brad Stanfield Network/Integration Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Government Micro Resources Network Operations Control Center Norfolk Naval Shipyard Bldg 33 NAVSEA NCOE 757-393-9526 1-800-626-6622 -Original Message- From: Michael Linehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:32 AM To: CiscoStudyGroup Subject: OT: Wireless LANS As a member of the local chapter of the NPA (Network Professional Association) I have been tasked with an interesting assignment. I need to make the following argument: Anyone who uses a wired network today is stupid! or Anyone who doesn't use a wireless LAN is stupid! (take your pick) This is of course all in fun. I of course want to do as good a job as possible so my question is this. If you had to make the argument that wireless is the only way to go for local area networking what would you say?? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wireless LANS
How about "Anyone who makes the argument today that any single technology is appropriate for everyone is stupid!"??? Wireless is cool, and has many applications, but not everybody needs it. There are many situations where it would be impractical or simply inappropriate. I know it is all in good fun, but I am not sure that it benefits anybody to have NPA members practice justifying claims that are simply ludicrous. Why not investigate the top 5 most unexpected wireless success scenarios, or something like that, if you simply want to get people excited about learning new technologies? Sorry for the overwhelming negativity, but it *is* Monday... Dale [=`) From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Wireless LANS Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:33:33 -0800 At 11:56 AM 10/30/00, Stanfield Hilman B (Brad) CONT NNSY wrote: Three words... SECURITY - SECURITY - SECURITY Three words: ENCRYPTION, ENCRYPTION, ENCRYPTION ;-) How many of us use encryption on wired LANs? Probably not many. But everyone seems to use encryption on wireless LANs, at least 802.11 wireless, which is what I'm familiar with... So that seems like an advantage, not a disadvantage. The disadvantages I can think of for wireless are: 1. It's pretty slow ( 11 Mbps shared bandwidth) 2. Mobile wireless is fraught with issues. How do you get a new IP address when you move from subnet to subnet? (Of course, that's not too straightforward on wired either, come to think of it.) Priscilla Brad Stanfield Network/Integration Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Government Micro Resources Network Operations Control Center Norfolk Naval Shipyard Bldg 33 NAVSEA NCOE 757-393-9526 1-800-626-6622 -Original Message- From: Michael Linehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:32 AM To: CiscoStudyGroup Subject: OT: Wireless LANS As a member of the local chapter of the NPA (Network Professional Association) I have been tasked with an interesting assignment. I need to make the following argument: Anyone who uses a wired network today is stupid! or Anyone who doesn't use a wireless LAN is stupid! (take your pick) This is of course all in fun. I of course want to do as good a job as possible so my question is this. If you had to make the argument that wireless is the only way to go for local area networking what would you say?? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CiscoWorks 5.0 trail location
I think that the Cisco Works 5.0 trail begins somewhere in Georgia and extends through the mountains of Virginia and Maryland, then up through Pennsylvania, and continues into the mountains of Vermont... Oh wait, that's a different trail. Nevermind! [=`) From: "Hartnell, George" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Hartnell, George" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CiscoWorks 5.0 trail location Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:06:02 -0700 Recently, someone querried about the location of a trail version of CiscoWorks 5.0. The very next thread entry was, "Never mind, I found it!" The actual location, however, remained an unpublished mystery. Who might share the authenticity and actualy location of such an offer? Best, G. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
I hear that it is a great class, as long as you don't mind working with a half rack (3 routers) and no token ring... Oh, and if you don't understand something that is presented I hope you don't expect to have it explained... This is what I have heard from those who have actually taken the course. I have not done so myself - there are better ways to spend that kind of $$$ (IMNSHO). From: "info" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "info" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bruce Caslow Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:18 -0400 I just registered to take a class with the company that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services; Mentor Technologies. I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I spoke with estimated that 80% of the people who take the course pass the lab exam on the first try. I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to not attend the class. In any case, has anyone had experience with this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow the best instructor there? I've been told that all the other instructors are his students. I was told they allow you to stay in the classroom practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the wee hours of the night if necessary. On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results from a class from another vendor? On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who responded to my query about bandwidth statements on frame relay links. Definitely helped alot! _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mentor Tech was Bruce Caslow
- Original Message - From: Daniel Cotts Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:10 PM To: 'info'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mentor Tech was Bruce Caslow I believe that Mentor has created a place where really good people can thrive. Hence they have the best instructors. Then why is the DC - Baltimore market flooded right now with people who have either quit or been fired from Mentor? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lammle Address
Try: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dale [=`) From: Thomas Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Thomas Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: groupstudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lammle Address Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:39:57 -0700 I need to contact Todd Lammle and have lost his e-mail address. Sure would appreciate if someone could send it to me. TIA, Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco Regional Networking Academy _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possible phony CCIE
Gee, Maybe a few of us should get together and meet him in the parking lot one night. Who wants to carry the pillowcase with the doorknobs in it??? From: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
Re: Why 53-bytes for a cell?
Ask the French... From: "Andy Xing" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Andy Xing" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why 53-bytes for a cell? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:58:33 +0800 Thanks _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab - ISDN Simulator
Or you could buy it brand new from me for $1749, and sell it on E-bay for around $1749... $1749 is my everyday price on the TelTone Demonstrator model... Dale [=`) From: "Kenneth Lorenzo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kenneth Lorenzo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - ISDN Simulator Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:08:01 -0400 It might be cheaper out of the pocket but after 2 months or more , a simulator is cheaper since you can sell it (if it's in decent shape) for about 80% of the price you had paid for at ebay. A teltone simulator can be bought at ebay at around $1850 and you can probably sell it back at around $1700... "Brian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Personally, the simulators seem too expensive. For example, you *might* be able to get one for like $1500.00. Well to get an ISDN line at your house is probably only about $200.00 install and maybe $70-$80 a month. You only need 1 ISDN line. It has 2 channels. You just use an external NT1 and S/T interfaces on your routers, and you can place calls between the two. Is cheaper imho. Brian On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, FRS wrote: Hi, I am looking for recommendations for a ISDN simulator in preparation for the CCIE Lab exam. Is there a simulator used in the lab exam and if yes, what type? I have heard that I should get an Adtran Atlas 800 Switch with 2 BRI interfaces. Does anyone know the estimated cost of this unit, used not new? All advice is appreciated. Thank you _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window field - TCP packet
Hmm, sounds like I need to dust off my old copy of Visual Studio (and my brain) and bang this utility out. Maybe after I pass the lab. No, then I've got the design lab to prepare for (have you heard anything about that???)... Maybe someone else better do it... Seriously - I agree that it would be a cool tool! I didn't know that EtherPeek would let you capture and view the decode at the same time - that is really cool! I need that now... I better take a look that EtherPeek. Does it run only on a Mac? Dale [=`) From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "Window" field - TCP packet Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:12:05 -0700 Nice answer, Dale. Do you think he was literally asking for a utility that would show the window size as a station was transmitting? That would be quite useful actually... EtherPeek from www.WildPackets.com (used to be AG Group) lets you capture and display packets at the same time. So you could filter on your station and its partner and track windows that way. You could see the receive window rather easily, since it's size is advertised on every segment. The send window would be harder, requiring an analysis of sequence numbers and the other side's receive window. But I can't think of a utility that graphically shows send and receive windows for a transmitter. That would be really cool, wouldn't it? Priscilla At 03:55 PM 10/17/00, Dale Holmes wrote: Each station in a TCP conversation will advertise a window which represents the amount of buffer space that the station has available for this conversation. The window size of a packet is the buffer available for the station that is sending the packet, indicating to the recipient how much data to send. It is called a "sliding window" because it is variable and will change throughout the course of the conversation. For more detail on this, I would look at Douglas Comer's "Internetworking with TCP/IP" volume I. I have not seen a utility that will display the window size during the transmission of the packet. A sniffer will display all of the packet fields, but only after you have captured the transfer and opted to display it (but of course you knew that already)... Dale [=`) From: "Billy Monroe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Billy Monroe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: "Window" field - TCP packet Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:05:12 -0700 Hello: Is there any way to see the size of the (sliding) window when transmiting a TCP packet ? I saw a "Window" field using a sniffer and the number was big 28765... Please correct me if I am wrong: I believe that is the buffer of the receiving station. Thanks, Ronaldo _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly OT: Stable IOS versions, 12.1?
I have seen 12.1(4) work well on a fully stocked 7513 (with FE, SMDS, TR, and FDDI). Of course, YMWV. There is no way to say for sure that it won't take *your* backbone out... [=`) Dale [=`) From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Slightly OT: Stable IOS versions, 12.1? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:39:56 -0700 (PDT) We are currently running 11.2(17) on our 7513 backbone router and we're going to be upgrading to 12 in the near future. After examining the bug reports I initially picked 12.0(12) since it looked pretty stable. However, 12.0 does not have some nifty features that we like, especially the "grep"-like command "include" and the ability to pipe show commands. We are now putting 12.1(4) on our branch routers (2620s) but I was wondering if anyone had any experience, good or bad, with 12.1 on a 7500 series router. We need error-free performance with EIGRP, DLSw+, IP, IPX, WFQ, ATM. I'm a little hesitant to put the latest IOS on our backbone router, but from the looks of it, 12.1(4) might be a better choice than 12.0(12), but it seems like upgrading the IOS on a Cisco router is a crap shoot; you just pray that the bugs of that particular version don't hurt you TOO much. Ok, I'll quit rambling and go get some more coffee. Any input will be gladly accepted. -- John ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: 5-4-3 rule
From a document at U Texas: (http://wwwhost.ots.utexas.edu/ethernet/ch13-ora/ch13.html) --Begin Quote--- The "5-4-3" Rule An over-simplified version of the 10 Mbps Model 1 rules, called the "5-4-3" rule, has been circulating for some years. Various forms of the 5-4-3 rule have been published, and some of them include misleading terms that are incorrect. To quote from one widely distributed configuration guide, the 5-4-3 rule means that there may be as many as five segments connected in series in a network. This guide further states that up to four repeaters may be used, and up to three "populated segments." A populated segment is defined as a segment that is "attached to PCs." While this may sound like an easy to remember rule of thumb, the "5-4-3" rule is an over-simplification of the actual configuration rules described above. Worse, the use of the term "populated segment" is misleading. This definition means that a coax segment could be regarded as an "unpopulated" segment in a network system as long as two conditions were met. First, the coax segment was not used to support PCs and, second, the segment was only used as a link segment to connect to a repeater at each end. However, this is incorrect. A link segment is specifically defined in the 802.3 standard as a segment based on a point-to-point full-duplex media type that connects two--and only two--MAUs. A full-duplex medium means that the medium provides separate transmit and receive data paths. This is important, since collision detection occurs faster on a full-duplex medium than it does on coaxial segments. This difference in timing is factored into the total round-trip timing delays that are incorporated in the Model 1 configuration guidelines. That's why the notion of an "unpopulated" coax segment that could be used as a link segment is misleading and incorrect. To recast the 5-4-3 rule into something closer to reality, we can define it to mean that you can have up to five segments in series, with up to four repeaters, and no more than three "mixing" segments. If three mixing segments are used, then the remaining two segments must be link segments as defined in 802.3. Actually, you can have up to four mixing segments under some circumstances as described in the real 802.3 rules above, so even our corrected 5-4-3 rule is still an over-simplification. --End Quote--- So, I hope that helps... Dale [=`) From: John Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: 5-4-3 rule Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Using the 5-4-3 rule, why can only 3 segments be populated __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase cisco to cisco.com?
Yeah - that's a good idea!!! Change your website to one that is a shrine to the Cisco beverage!!! I bet that they won't complain... Remove all of the info that pertains to Cisco Systems - all of it - and replace it with pictures of the Cisco drink and anecdotes about what you did when you drank it... Then tell the lawyers that you refuse to give up the domain, and tell them to examine the new content. I'd like to see if they just drop this witch hunt if the content does not include them, or if they continue... From: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "whatshakin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:08:00 -0700 It is not illegal to have the Cisco name in your domain name unless you use it for Cisco Systems content. After all, there is a Cisco fish, drink, city and kid to name just a few, and none of those are in violation of the Cisco Systems trademark. Tell them you'll hand it over for $10K or a free Catalyst 8500 if they want it that badly! :-) - Original Message - From: DotCom CiscoSite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Hand over the domain with the phrase "cisco" to cisco.com? Dear All Cisco GroupStudy Members, I would like to thank the Cisco GroupStudy Mailing List for the contribution on the Cisco Certification, and for the information which is very useful, with some have been put to my site: ciscosite.com. I have just received some messages stating that the ciscosite.com should be handed over to Cisco because of using the phrase "cisco" and because of the attached reasons. Does anyone of you have the problem like this, that the domain name should be handed over to Cisco? I would like to know this further because it's the only domain name I have ever registered right now, and I have promoted it even in my namecards. And concerning this, I have replied to Brobeck that I would better appeal this case to the GroupStudy first before making any further steps. So all of your suggestions are very expected. Thanks in advance for your comments regarding this. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com Attached message: Dear Wisin, I will respond to your questions in turn. First, while we appreciate your stated willingness to comply with Cisco's requests, we note that the changes we have requested have not been made to your site to date. Please ensure that these changes are completed by October 17, 2000. Second, the fact that a registrar permits registration of a domain name has no bearing on whether the domain name is in violation of another party's trademark rights. Registrars do not make independent determinations of the propriety of a domain name registration; they simply determine whether a name has been registered previously. The fact that you actually registered ciscosite.com does not give you the right to use Cisco's trademark as part of your domain name. Finally, Cisco does not provide compensation for the discontinued use of a domain name. Cisco will provide you with compensation for the actual cost of transferring the domain name to Cisco, and will permit you to use the domain name for a limited period of time for the sole purpose of informing users of the address of your new website. If you intend to use the site temporarily to direct people to your new site, please commence this use immediately and ensure that the site is taken down by October 17, 2000. Thank you for your continued cooperation. Sincerely, BROBECK PHLEGER HARRISON LLP http://www.brobeck.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cross-over roll-over : Here is THE simplest rule
Oh God, are we all gonna have to learn what DCE and DTE are??? NO Anything but that.. hehehe [=`) Dale From: "Kevin Wigle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin Wigle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Ben" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: cross-over roll-over : Here is THE simplest rule Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:29:40 -0400 well, a cable "modem" attaches with a Cat5 cable. Haven't seen one but the xDSL "modem" probably does too. I have a buddy who makes a DB9/DB25 custom plug and uses Cat5 between them for just about everything. Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP. - Original Message - From: "Ben" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:14 AM Subject: RE: cross-over roll-over : Here is THE simplest rule H, let me think. I never thought of that, that someday we will be connecting a workstation to a modem with a Cat5 cable. Workstation to a modem, ? no the rule does not apply How about a TV to a VCR? no, it does not apply neither. How about the toaster? nooope. You are right, that is not a good rule. Don't use it. Bernard How about when you connect a workstation to a modem will this rule apply? I think not. This rule will only be applicable to LAN devices but for WAN devices the rule as Sebastian pointed out should be applied. The rule is: connecting devices of the same OSI layer, use cross-over cable. connecting devices of different layers, use straight through. A workstation is considered layer3. Bernard _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This is a test please reply
I did not receive this message... From: "Kevin O'Gilvie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Kevin O'Gilvie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: This is a test please reply Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:21:43 -0400 This is a test please reply _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window field - TCP packet
Each station in a TCP conversation will advertise a window which represents the amount of buffer space that the station has available for this conversation. The window size of a packet is the buffer available for the station that is sending the packet, indicating to the recipient how much data to send. It is called a "sliding window" because it is variable and will change throughout the course of the conversation. For more detail on this, I would look at Douglas Comer's "Internetworking with TCP/IP" volume I. I have not seen a utility that will display the window size during the transmission of the packet. A sniffer will display all of the packet fields, but only after you have captured the transfer and opted to display it (but of course you knew that already)... Dale [=`) From: "Billy Monroe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Billy Monroe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: "Window" field - TCP packet Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:05:12 -0700 Hello: Is there any way to see the size of the (sliding) window when transmiting a TCP packet ? I saw a "Window" field using a sniffer and the number was big 28765... Please correct me if I am wrong: I believe that is the buffer of the receiving station. Thanks, Ronaldo _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number
Except that when you are that young and also that intelligent, doing things like going to chucky cheese makes you want to go postal... A recent experience I had with a similarly gifted child drove the point home. At a birthday party at the earlier mentioned Chucky Cheese's, I saw this particular young girl (my neice, who is 12 years old) crying. Not weeping or wailing, but just one or two tears as she looked out over the play area. "What's wrong?" I asked her. "Look at all the sad, silly little morons!" she said. "What's wrong with them?" I asked. She looked at me and asked "Did you ever look at someone and see their whole life - everything that's ever gonna happen to them - and you can't even tell them because they don't believe you?" "Yes" I said, stunned... "It's sad, that's all" she said. "Wanna go to the bookstore?" I asked. "YEAH!" she said, and she was out the door like greased lightning. Smart kids need challenges and interesting diversions, not fertilizer for vegetation. Things that are great fun for most kids are insipid to them. They have an appetite for greater and greater things, and that appetite needs to be fed. I do the best I can as her uncle. With parts I gave her, she built her own Pentium PC, and installs her own software (NT 4, IE 5, language software, games, etc.). I am not sure what she does with the chemistry set I gave her, but she hasn't burned the house down yet... She hasn't started any Cisco certs yet, but the idea appeals to her. Kids that do go after certs aren't comsumed by them like adults are. They just play it like a game, and do it in between all the other stuff they do. It's fun for them, and they relish the challenge. PS - the book my neice decided on that day was a book of soccer plays and strategies - she's on the team this year and is really giving it her all... so being smart doesn't make here a "bookworm". She still gets out there and lives her life, she just needs a lttle something more than Pokemon and video games. Dale [=`) From: "NetEng" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "NetEng" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:41:09 -0500 If your 12 or even 18 and trying to acheive any certification, your life must suck. What happened to having a childhood? I didn't know what I wanted to do until I was 20something. These kids should be forced to go to ChuckyCheese eveyday for a year. "Kris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I commend young kids who attempt and more importantly achieve these things. Though at a young age I was actively involved in subjects taught in most first year university comp sci courses, I must say that it pales in comparisson to a 12 year old who is working towards CCIE. He is sponsored by Global Knowledge btw. Kris, From: "McCallum, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number Here is a little poser for you all. Who is / was the youngest CCIE and what was his / her age when they attained the CCIE? Robert McCallum _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hypothetical BGP question
Take a look at the sketch here: http://www.allnetllc.net/plans/bgp.gif Disregard the screwy triangle connections to the Ethernets... each device has only a single connection to the Ethernet networks. Something weird happens when I save a Visio drawing as a GIF... Routers 1A and 1B are Primary and secondary HSRP Routers 2A and 2B are Primary and secondary HSRP Two sites of a large Enterprise network are connected to 2 ISP's. The company has 2 assigned public IP address blocks. They would like to advertise 1 block from each site. The Internet routers at each of the sites are not (and cannot be) directly connected. Traffic from the Internet that flows into the network from Router 1A (or 1B) must not cross the link between Router C and Router D. Traffic from the the Internet from Router 2A (or 2B) must not cross the link between Router C and Router D. Likewise, internal traffic destined for the Internet must get there via the local connection to the Internet, and not by crossing the link between Router C and D. Here is the Question: How many AS's are required to build this scenario (and have it work)? Remember that all these routers and both these address blocks are under a single administrative control... Thanks! Dale [=`) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number
I don't know who holds the title now, but I guess that soon it will be: Ashish Bakshi, he should have his number by age 13 or 14... Dale [=`) From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "vr4drvr ." [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:06:22 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, vr4drvr . wrote: He is a coworker of mine who no longer works at Global. I think he is about to turn 21! ok, my bad :) I just did a search of the web and turned that upperhaps even at 21 he could still be the youngest, who knows. Brian From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "McCallum, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:33:09 -0500 (CDT) 18, works for global data systems in louisiana http://www.globaldatasys.com Brian On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, McCallum, Robert wrote: Here is a little poser for you all. Who is / was the youngest CCIE and what was his / her age when they attained the CCIE? Robert McCallum _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ICMP redirects
I beleive that plumb-ing is the act of populating the route table, as opposed to plumbing, which (at least in my house) is the act of causing water and other fluids to exit through tiny holes and connecting points in the pipes that would otherwise carry them to their intended destinations had I simply left them alone. Dale [=`) From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED],"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ICMP redirects Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:00:11 -0700 At 01:59 AM 10/9/00, Paul Werner wrote: Listed above is what the Internet Standard specifies for proper operation. Let's bounce that against reality as we know it: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q243/4/27.ASP What does it mean to plumb host routes? I couldn't decode what Microsoft is attempting to say in this article. If you can explain it, that would be great. (The other articles did make sense. Thanks for the URLs.) Thanks Priscilla http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q195/6/86.ASP http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q225/3/44.ASP As a matter of practice, ICMP redirects have taken the form of a DoS attack today (at least as implemented in Winthings). HTH, Paul Werner - who envies the serenity of an Oregon sunset. Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Training and babies, and training babies
From: "Jim Erickson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Babies rarely come when expected. ---JRE--- It's true! My kids weren't due until January 17th or so, but the came on Dec. 26th 1998... Twins! Needless to day, I was unavailable to my contract clients for 2 weeks or so, and this came much sooner than I had warned them it would. Nevertheless, if I were a GK manager and an instructor told me that he could teach a course on week, but his wife was due to deliver the following week, I would have made the effor to ensure that a backup was available before signing him to that class. I am not saying the instructor should not have taken the class (you gotta work when you have mouths to feed), but the training center should have anticipated the potential for early delivery when they signed him and acted accordingly. Now that my kids are here, I am wondering how soon I can start them on their Cisco training. Not long ago, one of my girls toddled up to me carrying my "Voice over IP Fundamentals" book from Cisco Press, insisting that I read it to her. I did. She actually stayed and listened for nearly all of chapter 1. She can't speak much English yet, so I can't quiz her, but I can tell she retained some of it 'cause she constanly approaches the phone these days, which she never did before... [=`) Dale From: "Jim Erickson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Jim Erickson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question About Global Knowledge Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:03:23 -0500 ""Andre' Paree-Huff"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 1bce01c02e1c$b8f1a4e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:1bce01c02e1c$b8f1a4e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Concerning the instructor he should have never accepted the class that week knowing his wife was due, And if GNK knew this they should never have put him in the class. Babies rarely come when expected. ---JRE--- **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Attack?
It's true... AND - the encapsulation failed messages are probably the result
of layer three - layer 2 mapping failures...
Dale
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 18:20:25 GMT
Marc,
The "win=8760" is the TCP Sliding Window size. 8760 is the default
for MS Windows.
Terry
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On 6 Oct 2000 09:52:08 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Marc Quibell")
wrote:
What exactly is the win=8760? I looked where I could on this port and
it's
listed as a proxy port number. And what's with the 'encapsulation failed'
errors? Can anyone shed anymore light on this? Thanks..
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Re: LOOKING FOR CCIE STUDY GROUP DC/VA AREA
Steven, Are you relsted to me? [=`) Talk to Bruce Evry - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - about his CPAW study group. Dale Holmes From: "Steven B. Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Steven B. Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LOOKING FOR CCIE STUDY GROUP DC/VA AREA Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:36:57 -0400 I'm looking for a study group in the DC/VA area! Will help pay for rack time or etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question About Global Knowledge
But the key here is that management did the right thing - they offered the students a freebie to maek up for their loss. GK should do the same... These things DO happen, and it is not the instructor that should have to bear the burden. Unfortunately for the training centers, it is their responsibility to handle these situations. It is the burden of the training centers because they have set up the training business to operate the way that it does (don't get me started on that!!!...) Dale [=`) From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question About Global Knowledge Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:52:30 -0400 A similar experience, but from the instructor perspective. I don't remember, frankly, if my firm was still PSC or Geotrain (Geotrain formed from a merger of PSC and Protocol Interface). GK bought Geotrain after I left. In any case, I was to teach a CID in Toronto, in the training center there. Since there was nothing to set up, I flew up on Sunday evening. Unfortunately, the Sunday was very rushed, and I really didn't have time for dinner. While picking up some prescriptions at the Giant supermarket, I grabbed a package of prepared sushi, which I ate as I packed, and left about 6 PM. Around 9PM, I was feeling queasy. By 11PM, in my hotel room, I collapsed with food poisoning, and around midnight, called for an ambulance because I could no longer crawl to the bathroom. Spent the night in Toronto General's emergency room, which, incidentally, is an excellent one if you need to be there. Definitely was reassured when I saw my nurse wearing a Starfleet Medical badge. I started to call the local office around 7 AM, but everyone was in transit. Eventually, I reached someone, who checked to see if any of the local CID people were available -- which they weren't, not surprisingly since I had been asked to fly in. There was no good answer. I wasn't discharged from the hospital until around noon, and went back to the hotel and zonked. The next day, I made it to the training center, although my voice was in sad shape from prolonged vomiting. I tried to compress the class, but there was no good way to handle it. My management offered them the option to stay or not, but, in any case, they could return free for another session. I really don't know the best way to handle something like that. Especially for the more advanced classes, there aren't necessarily backup instructors anywhere. Even for basic courses, there may not be one in the city. I had a very bad experience with Global Knowledge last year at their New York Office. I was taking the ICRC class. The first day went very well. I dont remember the insturctor name. However the second day he didnt turn up. Seems his wife delivered a baby girl. While we were all happy for him, his not showing up badly screwed up our training class. So we sat around doing nothing. The Global Knowledge Training class manager said that they are trying to get another instructor to take the class. He had to fly in from Atlanta and started teaching late on the third day ( We had already lost more than 1 and half days of training) . The new insturctor had to now rush through the rest of the material in the remaining time and even left out some stuff. We were not able to do even half of the training labs. On the whole a very disappointing experience. My company who had paid for my training, sent an letter of complaint to Global Knowledge, but they conveniently chose to ignore the letter. No response from them to this day. We sent out another letter.. still no response. Very unprofessional of them. After that experience, my company stopped sending students to Global knowledge and we have made it a policy never to recommend them to any one. I am sure many of you may have positive things to say about Global Knowledge, but this is what happened to me. - Original Message - From: "J K" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: Question About Global Knowledge Hello all, A few weeks back their were messages about people that were disapointed with their class that they could send an e-mail to their office . Has anyone had a bad experience . And if so who did they contact ... thanks in advance Jim _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL
Re: Douglas Comer
The Stevens series is outstanding as well, but in a different way. If you are looking for a hands-on, UNIX-centric, in depth analysis of the TCP/IP suite, then the Stevens series is for you. If you want a full treatment of the protocols from a purely theoretical perspective, then you want Comer's Volume 1. If you want to understand how to implement these protocols in code (and perhaps get a perspective on how vendors do this), then you want Comer's Volumes 2 and 3. I say, get all 6! I did, and it was the loneliest year of my life, but damn did I learn something! [=`) Dale [=`) From: mamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: mamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Douglas Comer Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:01:04 +0200 They are good book, but I prefer Stevens TCP/IP illustrated series. They are the best technical book I have. Mamo DS I'm sure there was some discussion before in group about Douglas Comer, DS however I was unable to relocate it. DS Question: DS Has anyone an opinion on his three volume series: DS TCP/IP Vol. I DS Internetworking With TCP/IPVol II DS Internetworking With TCP/IPVol III DS Any knowledgeable feedback appreciated. Thanks. DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] DS **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to DS http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html DS _ DS UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html DS FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com DS Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, mamomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Book Review
See comments below... I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me select books for CCNP preparation. At present I have the following books: 1. Cisco Ccnp Preparation Library by Laura A. Chappell, Daniel Farkas, Tim Boyles (1st Edition) ISBN: 1578702070 Good set, but you'll need CCNP 2.0 specific info as well... 2. CCIE Professional Development: Routing Tcp/Ip by Jeff Doyle ISBN: 1578700418 Step 1 in any Cisco Cert program. This book is a MUST! 3. Internet Routing Architecture by Bassam Halabi ISBN: 157870233X Best first book on BGP! This one is another MUST! 4. BSCN by Thomas M. Thomas ISBN: 0072124776 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124776/ref=cm_mp_wl/104-1240568-9440706?colid=2MV52LTVCIQ11 You really should get this one. Great book, great author - and he's a contributor to this list too! 5. Building Cisco MultiLayer Switched Networks by Karen Webb ISBN: 1578700930 6. CCIE Professional Development: Cisco LAN Switching by Kennedy Clark ISBN: 1578700949 Would you prefer book #5 or #6 or both. Get both! One is more exam focused, but Kennedy's book has been called the "switching bible". You should get both, it won't be wasted money... Dale [=`) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching, 640-504
Flashcards and repeated drilling... that's the ticket. It's like how your "times tables" used to be taught in public schools... From: "Bradley J. Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Bradley J. Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Switching, 640-504 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:04:58 -0400 This exam is sitting on my head and crushing it. *So* many different switches to remember, all their cards that they do or do not support (and in which slots), how large their CAM tables are, how many ports, which user interface comes with which version of software...yadda yadda yadda. So, instead of asking "is all of this really on the test?" like some wannabe paper chaser, I'll ask a slightly more creative question: has anyone come up with any mnemonic devices which might help one memorize all of these minutiae? Thanks in advance - Bradley Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, NNCSS, CNX-A, MCT, CTT, and hopefully CCNP if I can memorize all this switching nonsense. ;-) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: STP question
Or it could be Lamaze? The port starts breathing deeply, and as the traffic approaches is starts to contract, and then... No, on second thought, that's probably not what he meant... Dale [=`) From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "McCallum, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"'Jon Mitchell'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: STP question Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:23:43 -0700 Check your spelling. I think you mean Le Mans, not lamens. The port goes into racing mode, trying to beat the course time for creating a new tree, without wrapping itself around one. I still like those Ferrari's the best :- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of McCallum, Robert Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:53 AM To:'Jon Mitchell'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: STP question When you plug in your other port the port will go into listening, learning states. In lamens terms the port sends out a frame and if it hears it back it will block - if it doesnt it will forward. Please see link below:- http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_5_2/config/s pantree.htm -Original Message- From: Jon Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 September 2000 14:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STP question Does STP only stop loops when the router boots? If I am building a loop network, and then I boot up the final router with only one interface plugged in (so it is not yet a loop), and then plug in the other interface after the fact, what will happen? Will the other interface start in blocking or forwarding mode? The book I am using does not seem clear on this. -- Jon Mitchell Systems Engineer, Subject Wills Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My impressions of Juniper from the test lab
Thanks David! Nice review... From: "David Wolsefer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "David Wolsefer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My impressions of Juniper from the test lab Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:31:33 -0700 The juniper M20,M40, and M160 are serious routers in the core IP routing world because they simply outperform the 12000GSR. Although I did not test them against the latest and greatest GSR, we ran tests with the M40 heads up against a few older model GSRs. Needless to say, the Juniper is very impressive. We took a smartbits and started loading up the links up to OC-48. The M40 handled the load extremely well at wire speed with no packet loss. The GSR, on the other hand, started dropping packets at about 50% of that load. Does this mean the performance couldn't be improved on the GSR? No, not at all. These GSRs were not tuned at all. They were straight out of the box (so to speak). I think that the bottom line is that we, as engineers, need to be prepared to work with both products. I like Junos and love IOS. You will not get fired for recommending either product. I believe that pricing is competitive for both products as well. Regards, David Wolsefer **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIEBootCamp Labs
Don't waste time - buy them today! Nobody else (and I mean NOBODY) has lab scenarios that approach the level of complexity of the CCBOOTCAMP labs. Many issues don't come up until you build an internetwork that is running lots of protocols simultaneously. This is what you will do in the real lab exam (I know, I've been there...), and it is also what you will do in the CCBOOTCAMP labs. Trust me, 3:00 on day one of your real lab exam is no time to realize that you have never run X and Y and Z together at the same time... the Cisco Doc CD will not be able to bail you out at that point. Dale [=`) From: "Patrick Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Patrick Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIEBootCamp Labs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:42:37 -0230 Any current list members using these labs? I am considering purchasing them and the reviews on their site look good. Just looking for honest unbiased opinions before I spend my hard earned dollars! Patrick **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trace results - what does this indicate?
Ummm... looks like a loop, eh? Dale [=`) From: "Watson, Rick, , OUSDC" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Watson, Rick, , OUSDC" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Trace results - what does this indicate? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:47:07 -0400 What would the following trace results indicate (the names and numbers have been changed to protect the innocent)..? routertraceroute 147.254.213.1 Tracing the route to 147.254.213.1 1 198.254.100.125 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 2 198.254.114.50 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 3 198.254.31.97 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec 4 145.49.208.25 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec 5 145.49.208.26 0 msec 4 msec 0 msec 6 145.49.208.25 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 7 145.49.208.26 4 msec 4 msec 8 msec 8 145.49.208.25 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 9 145.49.208.26 8 msec 12 msec 4 msec 10 145.49.208.25 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec 11 145.49.208.26 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 12 145.49.208.25 12 msec 20 msec 8 msec 13 145.49.208.26 12 msec 16 msec 12 msec 14 145.49.208.25 16 msec 20 msec 16 msec 15 145.49.208.26 12 msec 12 msec 8 msec 16 145.49.208.25 12 msec 8 msec 12 msec 17 145.49.208.26 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 18 145.49.208.25 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec ...etc for 30 hops router Thanks for any insight... Rick Watson **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIEBootCamp Labs - difficulty
The CCBOOTCAMP labs vary in complexity and build from the first to the last, so the first few labs are easier than the real thing, but as you move on they become more and more like the real thing... Some are worse! Dale [=`) From: "Hubert Pun" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Hubert Pun" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIEBootCamp Labs Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:51:39 -0700 One more questions about bootcamp: And what is the difficulty level for bootcamp compare to the Lab exam? is it harder and tricker? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT:hat is F2 cable
Several years ago, my sister-in-law had to pay an auto-mechanic a significant fee to replace her muffler bearings. I still haven't figured out that they are, but I have a theory about it! [=`) From: "Keith Townsend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Keith Townsend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT:hat is F2 cable Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:23:31 -0500 Ok.. I pretty much understand how DSL works but my recent efforts to order it have been how can I say.. frustrating. A order that I placed 3 months ago was cancled because of bad F2 cable. This is a new term to me. Do any of you guys with Telcom/DSL experience know exactly what this cable is and how does it relate to DSL service? It would be nice to know if this is a Telco problem or if it's a service Provider problem. Thanks, Keith **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE design
The CCIE Design exam is probably the most difficult written exam that Cisco offers... Does that help? Good Luck! Let us know how you do! Dale [=`) From: "McCallum, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "McCallum, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE design Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:16:21 +0100 Hi people, I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any of you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of course downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come in handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the unknown being the worst thing. Cheers. Robert McCallum **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about the LED status
Gary - DON'T tell people what the questions on the exam were... You did accept the Non-Disclosure Agreement, right? That means that you can't tell people what's on the test. You can't say: "I just took the test and I got this question that says blah, blah, blah... What's the correct answer?" You CAN say: "I have been studying blah, blah, blah, and I was wondering, what is the behaviour of the LED's on catalyst switches?" Better yet, get some Catalyst switches and connect them as described and observe the behaviour of the LED's yourself... Better luck on the exam next time! Dale [=`) From: "gary" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "gary" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: about the LED status Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:10:18 +0800 hi guys: i did the BCMSN test today,it is more diffcult than i think.i meet a question: the catalyst 5500 connect catalyst 2924 with UTP line. the LED light will be on always on both side. or catalyst 5k LED light will be off after 20 second. or catalyst 2924 LED light will be off after some seconds. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ethernet is up, line protocol is down
Hmmm... Ping, IP Address - all layer 3 stuff, right? Can't do layer 3 if layer 2 is down... You can do a "no keepalive" on an ethernet interface to bring it up without actually pluggin it into anything. Is that what you are trying to do? Try that and see if you get the results you are looking for. Dale [=`) From: "Rue Barb the Tangled" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rue Barb the Tangled" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ethernet is up, line protocol is down Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:36:57 GMT Hi guys - perhaps you can clairify something for me. According to CIT - this means layer 1 is up, but layer 2 is down (paraphrase) - what I need to know is the reprecussions of this - In other words, can I ping this interface ip address from within the router? Could I do a sh ip route on this ip address and at least try to see it? Obviously, I can't do it from another router across the interface, but I thought I'd be able to assign an ip address, ping it internally, and have it ready to go when we get something to plug into it. Kind of hitting my head against a wall here. Thanks. RB _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNA WAN Sw
www.sylvan.com Register for the exam and take it. It's only about $100. For that you will get to see what the real exam is like (since it is the real exam), and who knows? You may even pass... If not, you will know the kinds of things to study and will pass on the next attempt. All that you really need to know is in the Cisco Press WAN Quick Start book. Dale [=`) From: "hal9001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "hal9001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA WAN Sw Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:10:35 +0100 Anybody have a good source of Exam Questions for CCNA WAN Sw #640-410 Exam? Karl **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNA WAN Sw
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was discouraging you... just the opposite - Go For it, man!!! I have to tell you Karl, I have found that for some of these Cisco tests, just taking the darn thing is the best way to get the info... I took the Wan Sw exam when it was beta (failed it), without any preparation because I had no idea what sort of stuff would be on it. As it turned out, all that I needed to know was available free from Cisco's web site. It's also available in a better organized form on the Cisco Press WAN Quick Start book. I missed the damn thing by less than 5 points, which is very frustrating, but I am glad that I have seen the test. Once I finish reading the Quick Start I will go back and retake it and I know that I will pass this time... The same thing happened to me with the CCIE written, except that I passed that one! Then I had to take the lab (Oh no!)... Failed the lab last April, going back in January. There's no shame in failing a Sylvan test - especially if you only took it as an eye opener! Nobody bothers to make practice tests for this one, 'cause there is such a limited market for them... Anyway, good luck on the test whenever you decide to take it! Dale [=`) From: "hal9001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNA WAN Sw Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:57:14 +0100 Well thank you for sharing that thought Dale, I just guessed that I wouldn't waste Sylvans time on failing like the miserable little twerp I am and I'd sort of learn to walk before I could run. 'I'll just pop back under my stone then! Can I recommend you to a friend (if only I can find one)! Have a better one! Karl - Original Message - From: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 4:19 PM Subject: Re: CCNA WAN Sw www.sylvan.com Register for the exam and take it. It's only about $100. For that you will get to see what the real exam is like (since it is the real exam), and who knows? You may even pass... If not, you will know the kinds of things to study and will pass on the next attempt. All that you really need to know is in the Cisco Press WAN Quick Start book. Dale [=`) From: "hal9001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "hal9001" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA WAN Sw Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:10:35 +0100 Anybody have a good source of Exam Questions for CCNA WAN Sw #640-410 Exam? Karl **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCDA logos, t-shirt, certification, card?
All of the above, plus an endless supply of the local currency, lifetime supply of your favorite beer, and infinite appeal to the opposite sex. Oh yeah, and a secret decoder ring! Seriously, I think that they are out of the t-shirts. You'll get (after several weeks) a kit in the mail with a handsome certificate suitable for framing. Not included in the kit are a new found sense of pride and enhanced self-esteem... Dale [=`) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCDA logos, t-shirt, certification, card? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) So once one passes the CCDA, what does one get? t-shirt? certificate? card? -- Khanh **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (no subject, your questions...)
1. No. Get the fixed Hyperterminal from www.hilgraeve.com or use something else, like TeraTerm. 2. www.cisco.com, documentation section... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:05:15 EDT I have two questions for the Group Does the Hyper Term on NT 4 work, sending break signal to a router to recover a Pasword? On one of the 6000 I just got I am getting the message "Power to module in slot 1 was powered off by admin?? how do I fix that Write me back a this address thank Guys and Gals **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why people prefer ccbootcamp.com??
CCBOOTCAMP currently has 17 labs available. You can do them on your own equipment, or you can rent time on theirs. If you are serious about preparing for the lab, you MUST shell out the couple hundred bucks for these labs. No BS. Don't waste time, don't whine about the money. Nobody else has labs that reach this level of complexity - NOBODY! Hutnick and Saterlee's book (All-in-one) won't get you there. Mentorlabs VLabs won't get you there. FatKid? C'mon... Having seen all the labs available from all these places, and having taken the real thing, I can say that you gotta have the CCBOOTCAMP labs, or you ain't gonna be ready. No - I don't have any affiliation with them, I just work with a study group that has purchased the material. You'll need additional stuff, not just these labs, but if you are gonna try to get practice labs to get hands on skills, CCBOOTCAMP has the only labs worth a damn when it comes to the real thing. As for additional stuff: Doyle - Routing TCP/IP Caslow - Routing Switching for CCIE's Halabi - Internet Routing Architectures Cisco Press Case Studies book Cisco Doc CD From: Eitland Brett Contr USAFE IN/SAIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Eitland Brett Contr USAFE IN/SAIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Why people prefer ccbootcamp.com?? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:58:33 +0200 Does anyone know of a website that provide lab scenarios free of charge (except FatKid.com) for those individuals that already have all the lab equipment needed? FatKid is an excellent resource, but I would like to find other sites that may offer scenarios which they do not yet provide Thanks, Brett -Original Message- From: Sean Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:12 AM To: Cisco@Groupstudy. Com Subject: Why people prefer ccbootcamp.com?? I'm trying to sign up for lab access, I check out 3 sites for this, nantech.com, fatkid.com, and ccbootcamp.com It seems like ccbootcamp is most popular since they are almost fully booked Why are they so popular? Is there special reason why? equipment wise, do they do more service? why? Which one would you choose? Given the fact that I can spend about $300 per day? Need advice from experts :) Thanks, Sean **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks--2 routers and a hub.
All that trouble for a $40 hub... Ain't networking great?!?!?!? Glad I could help! Dale [=`) From: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Thanks--2 routers and a hub. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:11:40 GMT Thanks to everyone for the help--I think it was the hub as I bought a new hub and used it and everything worked immediately. I did like the methodology suggested to find the problem (dale's was especially good) stuart _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Catalyst 2900XL Web Management password
You should then immediately issue a "no ip http server" to disable the web interface and never use it again. It is a security vulnerability that you should never leave open... From: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Ray Mosely'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Catalyst 2900XL Web Management password Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:20:41 -0500 Try the following: Switch(config)#ip http server Switch(config)#ip http authentication enable This tells the switch to use the enable password for web access too. OR Switch(config)#ip http server Switch(config)#ip http authentication local Switch(config)#username ray password mosely This tells the switch to use the local user database for access, plus it will add you to it. As for books, I am currently reading the BCMSN book by Karen Webb which is a little too technical sometimes. I also just bought the CCIE LAN Switching book which is a heavy thing, but after having flipped some pages I think it looks pretty good. There are many good reviews about it. Also, many people think that the Exam Cram book is good too - but I haven't seen it. Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp -Original Message- From: Ray Mosely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Catalyst 2900XL Web Management password I've got a 2900XL that my predecessor set up. I went through the Cisco routine for recovering from lost passwords, and have good console and telnet access to the CLI. But I can't get into the Web interface. It asks for a username and password. Two questions: 1. how can I change the web interface username and password from the CLI? 2. any primers or tutorials on Catalyst switches than anyone can recommend? Quick and dirty, and on the Web, just until I can get some books ordered. Thanks, Ray Mosely, CCNA **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: copy config answer who is John Galt
That's correct... He is that putz from that idiotic book by the moron Ayn Rand... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Stull, Cory" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: copy config answer who is John Galt Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:13:20 -0700 Gee. Last I checked, John Galt was a ficticious person in Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Very popular with Libertarians. http://globalfreedom.com/jg_index.html Karen E Young ELF Technologies, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Stull, Cory" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "'Louie Belt'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Subject: RE: copy config answer who is John Galt nobody@groups tudy.com 09/19/2000 06:11 AM Please respond to "Stull, Cory" I'll bite.. John Galt is that guy who shot that guy? Never mind.. He only has two names so he can't be an assassin. Is he a former president? smirk -Original Message- From: Louie Belt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 5:14 PM To: 'Ed'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: copy configs I prefer to memorize the entire config and then type it in to the second router from memory - but that's just me. grin LAB Who is John Galt? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connect two cisco with transceivers
Make sure that the cables are "straight-through" and not crossover or rollover cables. They should probably be at least 3 feet long, but I don't think that is the problem here... You did do a "no shut" on the interfaces right? Dale [=`) From: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Connect two cisco with transceivers Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:57:24 GMT I am trying to connect two cisco 2501's together using rj45 cables and a hub and transceivers in the AUI slots. Will this work, and if so what might I be doing wrong as they certainly will not telnet or ping each other. I have set ip's on both E/O interfaces and both trannsceivers show a link. Setup looks like this router1 E/0transceiver--cable--hub--cable--tranceiver--E/0 router2 both the cables are only 15 inches long and someone mentioned that maybe they need to be longer. Should I be using some other kind of cable? thanks for any help stuart _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:
Off the top of my head: 1. Are the cables both straight-through? 2. Are both Ethernet interfaces on the same subnet (ie 10.10.10.1/24 and 10.10.10.2/24)? 3. Are both Ethernet Interfaces up? 4. What does "show int e0" tell you? 5. What does "show cdp neighbor" tell you? 6. Put a PC on the hub. Make it 10.10.10.3/24. Can it ping either router? Both? 7. Are the AUI transceivers both good? 8. Are all the hub ports good? 9. Are the ethernet interfaces on the routers both good? Hope this helps... Dale [=`) From: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:26:11 GMT I would agree if the connection was DCE/DTE cable but with a hub and 2 transceivers it should not need clocking it is just a telnet connection or ping etc--I have only seen serial ports use clocking and this is the E/0 port. Everything is on the same subnet though. It is not my pc which I want to connect with rather I want a telnet from router1 to router2. stuart From: ekundayo taiwo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Hi, stuart, I think the best advice is to go and get a CCNA, book. Falling that you'll need another router to be the DCE (which will act as your clocking device). However if each router is connected to a Hub then I would assume the the default gateway on your node PC has not been configured to reach the e0 interface of either router Your routers themselve will not be able to communicate with each other without a DCE Device Good Luck - Original Message - From: "Stuart Laubstein" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:57 PM Subject: Connect two cisco with transceivers I am trying to connect two cisco 2501's together using rj45 cables and a hub and transceivers in the AUI slots. Will this work, and if so what might I be doing wrong as they certainly will not telnet or ping each other. I have set ip's on both E/O interfaces and both trannsceivers show a link. Setup looks like this router1 E/0transceiver--cable--hub--cable--tranceiver--E/0 router2 both the cables are only 15 inches long and someone mentioned that maybe they need to be longer. Should I be using some other kind of cable? thanks for any help stuart _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll bite. #1 not sure, but I would say DLCI 1023 is reserved for LMI #2 VTP (Virtual Trunk Protocol) is the proprietary protocol on the Cat's See, I was thinking ISL... could be a number of answers. #3 Framing, Line Coding, Clocking, and channels (or timeslots) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Route Print
In what way does the router pass the route to your PC. Your PC should send the packet to the router, then the router would in turn send to the next hop as defined in the static route entry. The PC should only need to know how to get to the router... Have your configured the 7206 as the default gateway on the PC? From: "Rodney Jackson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rodney Jackson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Route Print Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:00:59 -0500 Guys, I have a problem: I have a 7206 with static routes and when I try to access a remote network the 7206 will not pass back the route the traffic should take. But when I connect a 2501 with static routes, the 2501 will pass the routes back to the PC. I'm lost and in of help Rodney Jackson 817 7843072 _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Another interview question
I would have replied: "Sure I can, can't you???" Dale [=`) -Original Message- From: Plantier, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Another interview question Can you priortize traffic on a Frame relay network? Spencer Plantier ATT Solutions LAN Engineer Phone (919) 474-1300 ext 0873 Cell (919) 696-8848 Fax (919) 474-1056 _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...
I work for an SBC affilliate, so I can only hope that the upper management from SBC have finally taken the red pill. The arrival of the spaceships has been delayed, do not eat the pudding. REPEAT - DO NOT EAT THE PUDDING! My question to all is, would you back burner your CCIE training for a while for a chance of the options which you'll know the value of in a short amount of time, or would you rather pass because CCIE is a must, ASAP? What are you, nuts?!?! Options are TOTALLY WORTHLESS, unless you can vest in them fully within the first year. Internet startup??? I don't care who the management is or who the VC is, they are going under before you vest. If they are not totally gone, the stock price will certainly plummet, and there goes the value of your options... The stock will most likely climb rapidly in the first year, and that is where you will earn your money. By the time you vest (usually 4 or 5 years), those options won't be worth the paper that the offer was printed on. Don't think so? Look at Netscape, ToySmart, and countless others... F**k options. You want to motivate me? Pay for my CCIE cert - books, classes, practice labs, exams... When I pass, kick my salary in the ass... that's something I can count on. Dale [=`) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
Was that YOU Sorry man... From: Fuzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Fuzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JEROME OKOLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud. Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:32:04 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, JEROME OKOLO wrote: shortage of qualified citizens. Get over it guys and realize that what gets you a job is your intelligence and your skills, not some accident of birth. Not true! I myself was beaten half to death by a horde of foaming-at-the-mouth Indian engineers as I was waiting patiently and expectantly in the lobby of my future employer to begin what was to be the most important job interview of my tender young life. Needless to say, my badly bruised, bloody and inappropriately unconscious body failed to impress the discriminating tastes of the hiring manager. However I did wake up to discover pinned to the blood-encrusted collar of my finest whitest interview shirt a job offer to work at their help desk. :Fuzz **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Personal Excellence Renders No Immunity To H1-B
I would like to get $60 hour contract for my services. I'd like to have supermodels feed me fruit every morning... I'm as good as they are, but I'm not willing to live like they live. If they weren't here, I could ask whatever I wanted for my services. Tough... It is just simple Econ 101. You said it... What do companies do when their markets get flooded? They change markets... What do they do when all markets get flooded? They change products! Diversify... Get Mobile... My Dad used to say when I was a kid "If you want the dollar, you gotta chase the dollar - it won't just come to you!" Dale [=`) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vlans and subnets
Yeah, but you need on hell of a long Ethernet cable to get from LA to NY... From: "Frank Wells" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Frank Wells" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: vlans and subnets Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:22:00 PDT Vlans are touted becuase they give the network admin the ability to join geographically dispersed hosts. The beauty of Vlans for example, is being able to add hostA from NY with HostB from LA and HostC from Chicago to the same broadcast domain is it not? Based upon this scenario alone it is very likely that a single network would not span that distance using addressing that falls on the same subnet, therefore it is quite likely that a vlan could/would consist of hosts from different subnets, and a subnet would not necessarily have its own Vlan... From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cablelink [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: vlans and subnets Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Yes, sort of. You are correct that a router would be needed to communicate, but your definition of the problem is incorrect. If they are in different subnets, you should not be placing them in the same VLAN. By definition, a VLAN is a separate subnet. In a switched environment, each subnet will have its own VLAN and then a router would be used to route between VLAN/subnets. Hello everyone, a simple question: Assume that you have two PC's that belong to different subnets and you connect them to a 2924 and assign them to the same vlan.If the first PC pings the second one, because of the fact that they belong to a different subnet there has to be somewhere a router in order for the packet to go from one subnet to the other despite of the fact that they belong to the same vlan, correct? Thanks for your time alexs **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network Usage policy
What you need is an Acceptable Use Policy Statement. Here is a link with many examples... http://www.avana.net/~jtruitt/ferret/auplinks.html You might also consider developing an information security policy that specifically states the things that are absolutely forbidden (port scanning, mp3's or other huge bandwidth hogs, adult material, ethnic slander, etc. Some of the examples at the above link have this information contained within the Acceptable use statement, but others have seperated them. One reason to do so is that the Acceptable Use policy statement usually is owned (and enforced) by Human Resources, while the Information Security policy is owned by IS. The Acceptable Use policy points to the IS policy, allowing HR to enforce what you put in your policy statement, but you retain full control over the contents of the IS policy and can amend it as you see fit. I hope this helps (I just finished one for a client of mine). Dale [=`) From: Albert Ip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Albert Ip [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Network Usage policy Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:31:01 -0700 Hello everyone, I need to define a network usage policy at work and need your input. We had someone use a port scanner here a few weeks ago and the same person just did some large FTP download and upload during the weekend. (he is either being fire or we are locking down his user profile.) My boss want me to have a policy spell out to all the staff to what is acceptable. I am just starting off and would welcome any ideas. I will post what I put together once it is done. Thanks Albert **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auto-negotiate not reliable
Different vendors implement auto-negotiate in different ways, and sometimes those ways are at odds... There is no way to tell whether the firmware in a given vendor's NIC is going to respond and react as Cisco expects it too in an autonegotiation process. As a general rule of thumb, regardless of vendor, when it really matters - explicitly set it... don't do auto-negotiation. Dale [=`) From: Doug Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Doug Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: auto-negotiate not reliable Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:54:41 -0400 Can someone explain to me why auto-negotiate on a Catalyst 5500 and a NIC is not always reliable. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ip helper address
Perhaps I should be more clear about this and say that this is the behaviour of MICROSOFT DHCP clients. Here is the info from the Windows NT Resource kit: "Note: The client accepts the first offer it receives, regardless of whether the offer came from a DHCP server on the local subnet or from a DHCP server on a different subnet. ... In the case where the DHCP server is unavailable or there is no available IP addressing information to lease to a client computer, the client is unable to bind to TCP/IP." An MS DHCP client may receive many DHCPOFFER's for its DHCPDISCOVER broadcast. It will accept the first offer it receives (actually, the first response it gets), and NACK all others. If the first response it gets is negative, it will settle for that, and NACK anything from the other servers. I have seen this (and sniffer traced it) in production. MS was unwilling to call it a bug, and said the behaviour was by design and was RFC compliant. Case was closed... This was NT 4.0 Service pack 4 with Win98 clients. I dunno if they have changed things since, but I doubt it. Dale [=`) From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ip helper address Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:36:49 -0700 I don't understand this, wouldn't the client accept the second offer by sending the seconds servers siaddr in the request packet. also DHCP standard says that nowhere must a client accept the first offer and then stop broadcasting. All servers will answer the clients DHCPDISCOVER broadcast with any help it can or can not offer. The first server does not tell the second server to shutup so as soon as the (second or 1nanosecond slower server) receives the broadcast it will it will send a DHCPOFFER packet and the client will reply with an DHCPREQUEST packet to the second server (using the siaddr field) that will be ack'd by the second server with an DHCPACK packet. This is all made quite clear in RFC 1541. So you can have two DHCP servers on the same segment you just don't know which one will serve the address to the client but both will try independent of each other and the client will ot stop trying after receiving after a nack from a server. Duck - Original Message - From: Dale Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Ip helper address You have 2 DHCP servers on the same subnet??? This is probably not a good idea... it does not really provide redundancy or load balancing. The DHCP client will issue a request and accept the first response that it gets. If you split your scope such that half of your available addresses are on one server and half are on the other, you will *NOT* see that half of your clients use one server while half use the other. If for some reason one server always replies a nanosecond earlier than the other, then all clients will accept the response from that server. Once that server is out of addresses, it will start sending nack's. The clients will start accepting those nack's and will not request an address again, even though the other DHCP server may have dozens of free addresses to offer. SO - in answer to your question, the ip helper address of 10.10.10.0 will allow your client's requests to reach all DHCP servers on that subnet, HOWEVER they will only accept leases from the first server from which they receive a response. Chances are that server will be the same one all the time, even after it runs out of addresses to offer... You *could* set up your DHCP servers such that the scope on EACH ONE is sufficient to offer leases to ALL of you clients, but that is probably a less than efficient use of your address space. I hope that this helps... Dale [=`) From: "Dennis Bates" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Dennis Bates" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ip helper address Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:10:44 -0500 I am trying to put a statement on the remote router to allow the clients to obtain an IP address accross the WAN. I have used the ip helper-address command successfully. My problem is that i would like any of the DHCP servers at the central site to be able to service DHCP requests from the remote site. Do I have to use mutilple ip helper-address statements ? I have tried a helper address pointing to the subnet, but that does not seem to work. EX. i have DHCP servers at 10.10.10.10 and 10.10.10.11 do i have to use two seperate ip helper address statements or can i use ip helper-address 10.10.10.0 ? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html
Re: Ip helper address
You have 2 DHCP servers on the same subnet??? This is probably not a good idea... it does not really provide redundancy or load balancing. The DHCP client will issue a request and accept the first response that it gets. If you split your scope such that half of your available addresses are on one server and half are on the other, you will *NOT* see that half of your clients use one server while half use the other. If for some reason one server always replies a nanosecond earlier than the other, then all clients will accept the response from that server. Once that server is out of addresses, it will start sending nack's. The clients will start accepting those nack's and will not request an address again, even though the other DHCP server may have dozens of free addresses to offer. SO - in answer to your question, the ip helper address of 10.10.10.0 will allow your client's requests to reach all DHCP servers on that subnet, HOWEVER they will only accept leases from the first server from which they receive a response. Chances are that server will be the same one all the time, even after it runs out of addresses to offer... You *could* set up your DHCP servers such that the scope on EACH ONE is sufficient to offer leases to ALL of you clients, but that is probably a less than efficient use of your address space. I hope that this helps... Dale [=`) From: "Dennis Bates" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Dennis Bates" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ip helper address Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:10:44 -0500 I am trying to put a statement on the remote router to allow the clients to obtain an IP address accross the WAN. I have used the ip helper-address command successfully. My problem is that i would like any of the DHCP servers at the central site to be able to service DHCP requests from the remote site. Do I have to use mutilple ip helper-address statements ? I have tried a helper address pointing to the subnet, but that does not seem to work. EX. i have DHCP servers at 10.10.10.10 and 10.10.10.11 do i have to use two seperate ip helper address statements or can i use ip helper-address 10.10.10.0 ? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 802.1Q or ISL
Yes, it's true, .1Q adds 4 bytes. The TPID and TCI fields look like this: Tag Protocol Identifier (TPID) 2 bytes - fixed value of 0x8100 16 bits Tag Control Information (TCI) 2 bytes - User Prioroty 3 bits - Canonical FFormat Indicator (CFI) 1 bit - VLAN Identifier 12 bits An Ethernet frame of maximum size (1518 bytes) that gets tagged with .1Q VLAN info is now 4 bytes too big (1522 bytes). This frame is called a "baby giant". Switches can handle the frame correctly, but it may also generate an error statistic. This might not be a big deal unless you have lots of them and you have certain alarm thresholds set in your management system... One other thing - ISL will only encapsulate frames that exit the switch on a trunk port, while .1Q tags get added to all frames (as I recall... somebody might want to check me on this). Dale [=`) From: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Tom Walstrom'" [EMAIL PROTECTED],Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 802.1Q or ISL Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:40:46 -0500 Thanks for your reply Tom, However, according to the book I'm reading, the 802.1Q DOES change the frame size by adding 4 bytes into it. Take care, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.insync.net/~drews/ccnp -Original Message- From: Tom Walstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 6:30 AM To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 802.1Q or ISL Ole, ISL encapsulates the frame adding, as you said, a 26 byte header and a 4 byte CRC trailer. 802.1Q frame-tagging does not change the frame size (hence its interoperability, because it appears as a standard ethernet frame to non-802.1Q devices), but does modify the existing frame with VLAN identification information. I would suspect that the real reason to deploy ISL is that it runs one spanning tree per vlan where 802.1Q runs only one spanning tree. Also ISL allows bonding into etherchannels. Seems like this would be more likely to make a difference on the network. I would think you would only do 802.1Q where interoperability was the issue, like with a Catalyst 4000 which I believe only supports 802.1Q. Maybe some switch guru could further illuminate this issue. Regards, Tom -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:38 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: 802.1Q or ISL Just a thought. - Digging through another book towards the light at the end of the tunnel, I have now added VLAN Trunc Links to my knowledge. That has brought this question up in my mind, so I would like to hear some feedback on this subject. I know that much of this depends on the average frame sizes, so lets say that I have analyzed my network, and the average frame size is 800. Lets also say that we are only dealing with Cisco Catalyst switches in this scenario. The question is, what would be least resource-waste to use as a trunking link : ISL or 802.1Q??? The 802.1Q has to break the frame open to modify it, but it adds only 4 bytes to each frame. The ISL does not have to break the frame open because it simply encapsulates it into a new one, but it adds 30 bytes to each frame. Any comments on this? Thanks, Ole ~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Retiring my number (was: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide)
PS - in reply to Chris Hagen - the recert process involves only a written exam, you don't have to take the lab again... It's true about the discounts... there is much motivation on the part of Cisco partners to keep CCIE's current and on staff. What I wanna know is, when a CCIE retires, do they retire his number too (like with sports heroes)??? From: "Miller, Nathan (AZ15)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Miller, Nathan (AZ15)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dick Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:29:48 -0700 I have heard that Cisco significantly discounts the proice of support contracts to companies with current CCIEs. If this is true it is one reason why keeping the cert current increases marketability. Nathan Miller -Original Message- From: Dick Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:21 PM To: Chris Hagen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide / Another question is...Has an employer ever asked "is your CCIE current"? \ -Original Message- From: Chris Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide Well, if it costs $1,000 to take the lab again, which involves hours and hours of studying, and you go to a client and say, I'm CCIE and I let my certifications lapse, but here's what I've been doing for the past X number of years Do you really need those 4 letters anymore with most companies with that level of experience? I mean, if it is out of date, it hasn't really been long enough to be REALLY out of date... *plink plink* -Chris "andy lennon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p93pj$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p93pj$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Bollocks. By definition a CCIE is the best when it comes to real world experience. "Robert Padjen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Might it also mean that people are finding that the certification is not as important in this market and that the 'lower' level certifications, along with 'real' world experience, provide a greater benefit to corporations and providers? --- "Healis, Jim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be due to people not passing re-certification exams, failing to schedule the re-cert exam in time, death, or even worse Breaking Cisco's NDA!! Jim Healis, CCDP, CCNP Senior Network Administrator Virata -Original Message- From: Daniel Ji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Decreasing # of CCIE's Worlwide I guess that's good news for all of us who are trying damn hard to be a CCIE. After all, the less # worldwide, the more value this cert will have. it's all just simple "supply vs demand". Good luck to all! Daniel Lab in Dec ""andy lennon"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p8ssl$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p8ssl$rmi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... First time i've seen the number of CCIE's go down... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html Andy Lennon ccnp/dp/mcse ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines:
RE: 802.1Q or ISL
But I think it's more like: A: Pull a big trash bag over their head B: Stuff a lunch bad in their shirt pocket and then after either case, weigh them (CRC). Again, you might want to consider how often you will do each thing. You may only need to pull bags over the heads of 250 people going out the front door, and ignore the other 750 people who are going into different rooms of the house - as opposed to stuffing lunch bags in the pockets of all 1000 regardless of where they are going... Dale [=`) From: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Howard C. Berkowitz'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 802.1Q or ISL Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:05:41 -0500 I hate martini Howard. Anyway, I believe I mean the latency in the switch. It's kind of, what would be the fastest thing to do: A) Put a large overcoat on and button 30 buttons. or B) Take your coat off, put a vest on with 4 buttons, and put the coat back on - (no buttons on the coat). Now consider a line of 1000 guests waiting for you to do A or B on them. What method would be the fastest to get these people out the door so you could go to bed? Have a great weekend, Ole ~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 802.1Q or ISL Thanks for your reply Tom, However, according to the book I'm reading, the 802.1Q DOES change the frame size by adding 4 bytes into it. Take care, Ole From the horse's mouth, 802.1Q: 9.1 Overview Tagging a frame requires: a) The addition of a Tag Header to the frame. This header is inserted immediately following the Desti-nation MAC address and Source MAC address (and Routing, if present) fields of the frame to be transmitted; To return to your original question, Ole, when you speak of optimizing resource use, what do you consider the scarce resource? Other than in the martini-soaked brain (if I may use the term) of an overly zealous salesdroid, you can't optimize for everything at once. Save me from "specialists in all cars, foreign and domestic." Some optimizations could include: Bandwidth overhead Frame length Overhead frames (BPDU, for example) Latency in the switch Input serialization Processing Internal forwarding Output serialization Ease of use Interoperability Which do you want to optimize? -Original Message- From: Tom Walstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 6:30 AM To: Ole Drews Jensen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 802.1Q or ISL Ole, ISL encapsulates the frame adding, as you said, a 26 byte header and a 4 byte CRC trailer. 802.1Q frame-tagging does not change the frame size (hence its interoperability, because it appears as a standard ethernet frame to non-802.1Q devices), but does modify the existing frame with VLAN identification information. I would suspect that the real reason to deploy ISL is that it runs one spanning tree per vlan where 802.1Q runs only one spanning tree. Also ISL allows bonding into etherchannels. Seems like this would be more likely to make a difference on the network. I would think you would only do 802.1Q where interoperability was the issue, like with a Catalyst 4000 which I believe only supports 802.1Q. Maybe some switch guru could further illuminate this issue. Regards, Tom -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:38 PM Just a thought. - Digging through another book towards the light at the end of the tunnel, I have now added VLAN Trunc Links to my knowledge. That has brought this question up in my mind, so I would like to hear some feedback on this subject. I know that much of this depends on the average frame sizes, so lets say that I have analyzed my network, and the average frame size is 800. Lets also say that we are only dealing with Cisco Catalyst switches in this scenario. The question is, what would be least resource-waste to use as a trunking link : ISL or 802.1Q??? The 802.1Q has to break the frame open to modify it, but it adds only 4 bytes to each frame. The ISL does not have to break the frame open because it simply encapsulates it into a new one, but it adds 30 bytes to each frame. Any comments on this? Thanks, Ole **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure
Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!
Daniel - since you just started your own consulting firm, become a Cisco reseller. Once you get a few entry level certs (CCNA, CCDA, Sales Expert), you will find that Cisco will be very accomodating in terms of resources and practice labs, etc. They offer a lot of stuff to their partners to help them get certified. Right now they have a promotion where partners can take certification classes at $500 instead of the usual $1200 - $1800... There is even a special 2 for 1 deal (2 classes for $500). Cisco has a program called ASET (Advanced System Engineer Training) which you can take in San Jose. It looks and feels just like the actual lab exam, except that there is a CCIE there to help you, and you can talk amongst the others there to find solutiuons to the problems you encounter... Become a Cisco partner - it is worth the effort... Dale [=`) From: "Daniel Boutet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Daniel Boutet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:50:06 -0600 I totally agree with you Terrence. I do not have the opportunity to work with Cisco Products except AccessPro cards (2). I also just started my own consulting firm, so it is not easy to be able to buy the right equipment to paractice on. (NO $ available right now) I have other certs CNE (3,4,5), MCSE, A+ where I get to practice my skills everyday. I also have CCA but do not get to work on Citrix anymore. Not a lot of firms know about this product Citrix doesn't even have a demo version for labs. All they provide is a virtual demo room in FLA. There is also a time factor. I dedicate my time to working and trying to build a customer base. The time that I can spend in my lab is minimal. When you decide to study certification like Cisco it would be nice that Cisco would let us use their lab. After all we are supporting their products. Wouldn't it make sense for them to want certified people that at least saw their products (inside and out) and have minimal hands on? When I first started this certification I phone my local Cisco office and asked them if they had a lab I could use. I was turned away as if I was crazy. How is a person suppose to get real hands on in Edmonton Alberta? After I get more knowledge (books) I will try to give my time freely to get some experience. Just my two cents. ""Terrence Garrison"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... lets face it. Any Certification that has no lab can be obtained by an average person with ENOUGH study. The CCIE can be passed if one has access to the right equipment. There is NEVER a need to take a class or have real experience. . .unless of course you actually want to be good at your job. Having said that, merely obtaining a cert like the CCNP or MCSE or CCNA is of some value depending on the depth of the job one needs to perform and the ability of an individual to translate theory into practice. Some people can do this better than others, but it depends on the individual and have much drive, motivation and determination one has. In the end, it is drive, motivation and determination that makes anyone good at whatever it is they do. . .Cert or not, degree or not, smart or average. From: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400 So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all? I seriously hope not. Rishard ""Wind"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hiya; Now I finished my CCNP. I should go for the CCIE, otherwise my ccnp status is just a paperwork. I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from working with system integrator? Thanks Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html
Re: Switch 2901 Password Recovery - Pls help !!
Go here... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/474/index.shtml Dale [=`) From: Ashfaq Aslam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ashfaq Aslam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Switch 2901 Password Recovery - Pls help !! Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:32:26 +0100 Hi, I have lost my password for Cisco 2901 Switch. Can someone please tell me how to do a password recovery for Cisco 2901 Swich? Thanks for your help !!! Rgds, Ash **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Higher than CCIE...
Sesame Street Certs? From Nortel, Cisco, Microsoft, Novell, and CompTIA??? I think not... BUT: Hmmm... My kids could go for some Sesame Street certs: SSCEF Sesame Street Certified Elmo Fanatic SSCCMA Sesame Street Certified Cookie Monster Afficionado SSCSGE Sesame Street Certified Super Grover Emulator SSCKTFAS "" Certified Kermit the Frog Alphabet Sayer My twin girls could nail all of these certs no problem... I hear that they are working on a certification with Bert and Ernie which would involve a lab where you have to put down a duckie and play a saxaphone, then dance "the pidgeon"! Now *THAT'S* a lab!!! Dale [=`) From: "jaime salazar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "jaime salazar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE... Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:16:54 CDT What are these sesame street Certs. Get real Certifications my friend. From: "Check your mail!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Check your mail!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:21:58 -0500 IF you only KNEW!! Rob Mears III, NNCSS, NNCDS, CCNA, MCSE+I, CNE45, A+ Technical Mercenary -Original Message- From: John Hobbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:37 AM To:Check your mail!; Chuck Larrieu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE... Get a life! Get your CCIE and then buy a dog and enjoy life - you sound like a cert freak who is never satisified until you have every cert in the industry. Or go to work for Cisco - or just go to work period and use what certs you do have. jh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:46 AM To: Chuck Larrieu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Higher than CCIE... Do you think Cisco is the only certification out their? Come on all, look at the big picture and stop worshiping these CCIE types. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Higher than CCIE... The title should be more like Elevated Cisco Internetworking Deity, ( El CID ) One Certification to rule them all One Certification to find them One Certification to bring them all And in the Networks bind them In the Land Of Cisco, where the Routers lie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Higher than CCIE... Hey Group, I was pondering this thought. If the rate of CCIE's is rising at a fast pace than I think it would be cool if Cisco created a new cert. The way to obtain this one would be to pass all three CCIE tests. From what I know there is only one person in the world who has all three... I think his name is Brendan Ta or something. They could name the cert: CCID (Cisco certified internetwork director), or something like (and this is my favorite): CCIG (Cisco certified internetwork guru) :) Don't think they would use that one though, :) This type of cert would, in my eyes, deem you as a true master of the matrix, if you know what I mean...just a though. Maybe we can get some good responses on this one...Have a good one group. P.S. I would like if Priscilla O. and Todd L. could also comment on this topic...thanks. :) Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Internetwork Essentials~ "Complete Solutions for Complex Networks" winmail.dat _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mostly OT thought as I wake up
I am still waiting for Inverse Telnet (lneett)... Or Converse Telnet (which I think would look like a shoe?)... Dale [=`) From: "Maness, Drew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Maness, Drew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Howard C. Berkowitz'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Mostly OT thought as I wake up Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:40:37 -0700 Howard, I always look forward to your posts... You sure your not a comedian? Tenlet I'm going to see if I can convince everyone here at work that it is actually is tenlet ;) -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mostly OT thought as I wake up There are so many posts about reverse telnet. If it's truly reversed, shouldn't it be tenlet? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work!
But it happens all the time! I personally know one CCIE who has never actually worked on a production system... yet I *would* trust her to do so anytime... It can be done. Dale [=`) From: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400 So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all? I seriously hope not. Rishard ""Wind"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hiya; Now I finished my CCNP. I should go for the CCIE, otherwise my ccnp status is just a paperwork. I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from working with system integrator? Thanks Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telnet password
Is the password encrypted? If so, the then what you see in the config is the encrypted password, not the password itself... Dale [=`) From: Marshal Schoener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Marshal Schoener [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telnet password Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:06:00 +0800 I'm telnetting into a router using a password that I can't find anywhere :-) I look at the running-config, and see 'line vty 0 4' password (password)... login However, this isn't the password that I use to telnet in, and it doesn't work if I try it!!! Can anyone help me to understand this :-) I would like to change the password used to telnet in, but I just can't figure this out... Thanks a million in advance. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ftp out
Oops, I forgot the most important part in my previous reply... You need to look at the "established" keyword to allow replies back in to FTP session requests that originate within your organization... Dale [=`) From: "SH Wesson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "SH Wesson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ftp out Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:23:03 GMT How do I configre an access list such that it only allow users to ftp out, but not any ftp in. Thanks. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ftp out
Access lists are applied in one direction or the other - in, or out. So you are probably looking at an access list that is applied to inbound traffic, blocking incoming ftp requests. A very rudimentary access list entry, that blocks ftp from any source to any destination might look like this: access-list 101 deny tcp any any eq ftp Keep in mind that this entry on its own blocks everything, not just incoming ftp, because all access lists end with an implicit deny any. You have to explicitly permit something... Here is an example that blocks ftp, but permits everything else: access-list 101 deny tcp any any eq ftp access-list 101 permit ip any any You then need to apply the access-list to an interface, and specify whether it applies to inbound or outbound traffic. Use the "ip access-group" command. Router(config)#interface s0 Router(config-if)ip access-group 101 in You can get much more detail on this here (watch for URL word wrap): http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios113ed/113ed_cr/np1_r/1rip.htm#1250 I hope this helps... Dale [=`) From: "SH Wesson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "SH Wesson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ftp out Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:23:03 GMT How do I configre an access list such that it only allow users to ftp out, but not any ftp in. Thanks. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telnet password
Eh? No, I meant is the "service password-encryption" configured on the router? If so, then the password will not be written in plain text in the router config file... so if you use a command like: show running-config You might see something like: line vty 0 4 password a9vyt3$l3 7 login In this case, the password is encrypted. The actual password is not "a9vyt3$l3". Typing that string in when prompted for a password will not log you into the router. That's what I am saying (and I thought that's what the original poster was seeing). What traverses the wire is of course not encrypted, unless you make it so by some other means not described here... Dale [=`) From: "jh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Telnet password Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:14:28 -0400 The telnet session as a whole, password,communication is not encrypted. It is very easily sniffed. How is goes across the wire and how it is stored are two different items. - Original Message - From: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Telnet password Is the password encrypted? If so, the then what you see in the config is the encrypted password, not the password itself... Dale [=`) From: Marshal Schoener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Marshal Schoener [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telnet password Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:06:00 +0800 I'm telnetting into a router using a password that I can't find anywhere :-) I look at the running-config, and see 'line vty 0 4' password (password)... login However, this isn't the password that I use to telnet in, and it doesn't work if I try it!!! Can anyone help me to understand this :-) I would like to change the password used to telnet in, but I just can't figure this out... Thanks a million in advance. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telnet password
Eh? No, I meant is the "service password-encryption" configured on the router? If so, then the password will not be written in plain text in the router config file... so if you use a command like: show running-config You might see something like: line vty 0 4 password a9vyt3$l3 7 login In this case, the password is encrypted. The actual password is not "a9vyt3$l3". Typing that string in when prompted for a password will not log you into the router. That's what I am saying (and I thought that's what the original poster was seeing). What traverses the wire is of course not encrypted, unless you make it so by some other means not described here... Dale [=`) From: "jh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Telnet password Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:14:28 -0400 The telnet session as a whole, password,communication is not encrypted. It is very easily sniffed. How is goes across the wire and how it is stored are two different items. - Original Message - From: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Telnet password Is the password encrypted? If so, the then what you see in the config is the encrypted password, not the password itself... Dale [=`) From: Marshal Schoener [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Marshal Schoener [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telnet password Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:06:00 +0800 I'm telnetting into a router using a password that I can't find anywhere :-) I look at the running-config, and see 'line vty 0 4' password (password)... login However, this isn't the password that I use to telnet in, and it doesn't work if I try it!!! Can anyone help me to understand this :-) I would like to change the password used to telnet in, but I just can't figure this out... Thanks a million in advance. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question about IPSec
From the IANA: "In the Internet Protocol (IP) [DDN], [RFC791] there is a field, called Protocol, to identify the next level protocol. This is an 8 bit field." Look here: http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/protocol-numbers for all the gory details... Dale [=`) From: George Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: George Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A question about IPSec Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:33:24 -0500 I read the following form Cisco documentation about IPSec: "IKE uses UDP port 500. The IPSec ESP and AH protocols use PROTOCOL numbers 50 and 51. Ensure that your access-list are configured so that 50, 51 and UDP port 500 traffic is not blocked ..." My question is, what are the PROTOCOL numbers? This is the first time I read or heard about "PROTOCOL number"? I know many protocols by names such as TCP, UDP, ICMP etc, by I have never heard about PROTOCOL numbers? What protocols 50 and 51 are associated with? Could someone please explain that to me? Thanks. George Zhang, CCNP ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deferred packets on eth on C7206vxr
One thing to consider, though, is how rapidly is the number increasing? Have you baselined your network? If *sometimes* you can't transmit because the carrier is busy, that's normal. If all of a sudden you find that can't transmit because the carrier is busy *very frequently*, then your utilization is going up for a reason and you might want to find out what that reason is. Of course, the other statistics Phil mentions would be going up dramatically along with the deferred packets if this is your situation... Dale [=`) From: Phil Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Phil Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nodir Nazarov [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: deferred packets on eth on C7206vxr Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:12:34 +0100 (BST) Nodir, Deferred Packets isn't necessarily a fault. Presumably the ethernet interface is set to half duplex ? In which case collisions are are normal everyday event. Deferred in this instance is just saying I cannot send just now because something else is happening/colliding/jabbing etc. Dropped packets would be more of an issue or excessive collisions per bytes Tx/RX. Regards, Phil. --- Nodir Nazarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have number of deferred packets increasing on my ethernet interface on C7206vxr. I don't see any noticeable disruptions on the network, but this pattern bothers me. What am I overlooking ?? Nodir ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: -=Visio Icon set=-
Careful there Phil - If you go standing up for laws and ethics and principles and such, people will start calling you all sorts of nasty names... I speak from experience! [=`) Dale PS - I am not sure what the deal is with the Visio icons, my CCO login works just fine, but the URL has the word "partner" in it. I think that these icons are not made freely available to anyone other than Cisco partners... From: Phil Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Phil Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Bessette, Jesse" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: -=Visio Icon set=- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:25:45 +0100 (BST) Therefore, are you happy stealing software as long as you can give it to others ? a sort of modern day Robin Hood. Maybe, if you wrote the software you would be less happy, maybe not, maybe you'd just give it away ? Suggestion, Get yourself a C compiler. Write stacks of great code under the lists instruction. I'm sure we can all make some great suggestions. Sweat your knackers off getting the last nasty little bugs out. THEN, GIVE IT AWAY, FOR FREE. Hm ! Regards, Phil. --- "Bessette, Jesse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The person who first listed the link, should simply get them for us...i wouldif it were me Jesse Bessette PC Architecture MCP, TCP/IP Administrator http://www.virtualcircuit.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATMmachine-SDLC_line----Router----Frame Relay/IP/DLSW-------Router----SDLC_line----Tandem
Hi Flem, You would prefer to use Serial Tunneling over DLSw? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'm just curious why? Dale [=`) From: Flem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Flem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ATMmachine-SDLC_lineRouterFrame Relay/IP/DLSW---RouterSDLC_lineTandem Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Nowadays DLSw or STUN . Personally I would use STUN . flem Hi I would like too ask, if I can do this using Dlsw. We have ATM machine connected to the router via SDLC and the router on the other side is connected to the Tandem also via SDLC line. Can I use DLSW between the routers, o I must use STUN. What other solutions I have. (ATM is PU2.0) ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE WRITTEN ---- Please provide your feedback.
If you had been continuously READING the messages on groupstudy mailing lists, including the archives, you would long ago have found what you needed. At this point in your endeavor, I can only suggest that you consider NOT taking the exam, and instead look into other career paths where the entry steps are more clearly laid out, such as: taxi driver used automobile salesman newspaper carrier elevator operator There are many others that may appeal to you. If you find that you simply cannot let go of the notion that you should become a Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert, then you might check out the Exam Blueprint at www.cisco.com. Good Luck! From: Nadeem Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Nadeem Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE WRITTEN Please provide your feedback. Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:30:49 -0400 Hi Gurus! I have been continuously sending emails regarding CCIE Written exam on both the mailling lists at groupstudy.com but have not received any proper response regarding it. Once again i am requesting you to please provide your feedback on it, what ever you can provide. e.g what exactly to study. from where to study what sort of questions comes how usefull is subscription to ccpre.com Thanks ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE WRITTEN ---- Please provide your feedback.
Nadeem, My original response was meant partly as humor, but also as a statement of reality... You state in your reply: "The Cisco Blue prints covers almost everything, and that is too much to go for." I suspected that this was your attitude and that is why I wrote as I did. This one sentence which you have written, which stems from a deeper attitude within you, is the single reason which you will fail. I cannot sugar-coat it for you. If you truly believe what you have said, then you will not succeed. I cannot encourage you to go forth with that attitude, because you will be in for a long road of heartache and disappointment. This is a fact. Yes, the exam blueprint is extensive. BUT, an understanding of EVERY single topic on the list IS an attainable goal, AND - it is THE GOAL you must set for yourself if you want to get the CCIE. There are no shortcuts. No question you can ask anyone on any list will change the fact that you must cover all of this material, and only you can do the work. If you demonstrate to this list an appetite for learning, and an earnest effort to obtain that learning, the I (and everyone else here) will help you in any way we can. BUT, when you come to the list begging for, or worse yet - demanding shortcuts and handouts, then the best advice I can offer you is to seek another path. This is sincere advice, not sarcasm or bitter discouragement. Consider carefully your motivation for attaining the CCIE, and your commitment to the task. Then, if you find that you still want it, start again with the Exam Blueprint (and the resultant BIG pile of books). This is the road we all follow... and you will see us all, some ahead of you and some behind you, moving at different speeds, but all in the same direction. Once again, Good Luck! Dale [=`) From: Nadeem Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Nadeem Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Dale Holmes'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE WRITTEN Please provide your feedback. Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:21:53 -0400 Mr. Dale! Your answer is a humiliating slang on all who wants to pursue there career certification. This slap is not only on me but to all of you who are CCIE or going towards it. Indeed I have been going through the archives and found some ideas but there are so many peoples with different ideas that they confused me on what to read and what to study. So I decided to read all the books one by one. After I went through couple of books I figured out my self where am I standing but could not. Since the blue print is too much to cover and is very vague. The Cisco Blue prints covers almost everything and that is too much to go for. Thanks for your advise and the slang to every CCIE or newcomer Regards, Nadeem Khawaja -Original Message----- From: Dale Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE WRITTEN Please provide your feedback. If you had been continuously READING the messages on groupstudy mailing lists, including the archives, you would long ago have found what you needed. At this point in your endeavor, I can only suggest that you consider NOT taking the exam, and instead look into other career paths where the entry steps are more clearly laid out, such as: taxi driver used automobile salesman newspaper carrier elevator operator There are many others that may appeal to you. If you find that you simply cannot let go of the notion that you should become a Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert, then you might check out the Exam Blueprint at www.cisco.com. Good Luck! From: Nadeem Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Nadeem Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE WRITTEN Please provide your feedback. Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:30:49 -0400 Hi Gurus! I have been continuously sending emails regarding CCIE Written exam on both the mailling lists at groupstudy.com but have not received any proper response regarding it. Once again i am requesting you to please provide your feedback on it, what ever you can provide. e.g what exactly to study. from where to study what sort of questions comes how usefull is subscription to ccpre.com Thanks ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ To
Re: Trouble searching www.groupstudy.com archives
Hmmm, I just had the same problem. A search of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list found 0 matches for the word CCNA... must be that the index of that list is fubar. It could be a punch item from the move to the new server... Dale [=`) From: George Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: George Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Trouble searching www.groupstudy.com archives Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:46:10 -0500 I tried to search the archives of this group at www.groupstudy.com. However, I always get zero(0) match regardless the word I try to search. In the mean time, I was able to search the CCIE lab group. Is the search engine at www.groupstudy.com for the archives of this group down? Any info is appreciated. Thanks. George Zhang, CCNP ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WINs issue
Run a network monitor (or sniffer) trace on both sides to see what is missing. What path is being attempted? At what layer? Is the IP stuff getting lost, or the NetBIOS session? Is traffic stuck on the .5 network, or is it making it to .2 and replies not getting back? Network monitor will tell all... Dale [=`) From: Dennis Laganiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Dennis Laganiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WINs issue Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:45:09 -0700 We're using a 2948G-L3 basically as a router. Everything seems to be working, except we can't reach NT shares one network over. Here's a quick diagram... 192.168.5.0 ---2948G-L3 192.168.1.0 --- 192.168.100.0 (Wan link) --- 192.168.2.0 Devices on the five network can ping and traceroute both the one and two networks. Devices on the five network can browse the network neighborhood on networks one and two. Devices on the five network can open these items and access them completely on the one network. Devices on the five network can browse the two network, but can't open these items. Error is "no network path found" There is a ip-helper configured on the 2948G-L3 Let me know if you have any thoughts. - Dennis ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Traceroute Source Address
My guess, though I have not run a sniffer on this, is: 1. The IP address of the router interface out which the packets are sent 2. The IP address of the administrator's workstation Keep in mind that this is just a guess, I'd love to find out what really happens now that you bring it up... Dale [=`) From: "Rossetti, Stan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rossetti, Stan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "Rossetti, Stan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Traceroute Source Address Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:14:52 -0500 Coudl somebody tell me what source address is used by traceroute in each of the following scenarios: An administrator telnets to a router and does a traceroute to an ip off (not directly connected) the local network. An administrator does a traceroute from hi personal PC to an address not on the local network or across the WAN. Thanks, Stan Rossetti Russia Services Group Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (256) 544-5031 Beeper: 544-1183 pin # 0112 ... ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNA 507 flashcards
Your local drugstore or KMart should have 3x5 index cards. You'll also need a decent pen, and a copy of the ICND Cisco Press book... From: "Bessette, Jesse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Bessette, Jesse" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA "507" flashcards Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:29:33 -0600 Im looking for CCNA "507" flashcards...any ideas? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ICMP Redirects
Well, it's true, there is really no way for them to know that the link came back up. However, depending on the host, there is also no guarantee that they will ever heed the redirect in the first place. You really cannot count on them for fault tolerance. An HSRP solution would probably work better in this scenario. The hosts would all send to the virtual IP address, which would be served by the primary router (with the T-1 interface). With interface tracking enabled, if the T-1 link fails, the secondary router (with the DSL connection) would take over and the hosts would not need to know anything about it. When the T-1 link comes back up, that router will become primary again and will take over traffic sent to the virtual IP address. Again, the hosts need know nothing about this. I hope this helps... Dale [=`) From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ICMP Redirects Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:23:42 -0700 (PDT) We have a situation where ICMP redirects might be very helpful, but I have a practical question about them. In our situation, we'll have two routers connected to a switch, the first having a T-1 connection, the second being a backup router with DSL. All PCs will have the main router as their default gateway. If the main circuit goes down, that router should send ICMP redirects to the PCs to divert traffic to the other router, right? If that's the case, how do the hosts know when the main circuit comes back up? I don't see how there would be any way for them to know to resume sending traffic to the original default gateway. The way I see it, when the main line goes down the hosts would start to use the DSL route, and would continue to use that route even after the main route becomes available. any thoughts? TIA, John ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VLAN's
You can't just make a switch port a member of all the VLAN's and hang a router off it to route traffic between VLAN's. The router and switch must have a way to exchange VLAN information in order for you to route between VLAN's. You need to connect the router on a trunk link. This link must be a Fast Ethernet link, and configured for ISL trunking. Then you configure the router with subinterfaces for each VLAN and use ISL encapsulation. Configs should be readily available on CCO. Dale [=`) From: "sujar khmar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "sujar khmar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VLAN's Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:56:29 -0400 Group, I have a catalyst 3524 switch in my practice lab set up with four vlans (1-4). One port is a member of all vlans and that is the router port. In what I have learned you should be able to be a node on vlan 2 and be able to go out the vlan2 port on the switch to the router and back to the vlan 4 port (or any other vlan for that matter) and reach a node on vlan 4. I said should be able to because it doesn't work that way right now for me. I can see every node on the network except the nodes on vlan 1, 3-4. I have deduced that it isn't being routed back into the appropriate port. All these networks are on the same subnet, but since it's not a 5000 so I can't assign a different subnet. Am I way off base here? My question really is how can I route vlan 1 back to vlan 2 via one ethernet port on the router back to the other vlans. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please Help
The IOS version on the 3640 needs to be upgraded so that it sees the card... simple thing to do really. Check on CCO to find out what release you need to support the card. I remember my first time - man I pulled my hair out until somebody told me what the problem was... Dale [=`) From: "Steve Carson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Steve Carson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please Help Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:38:01 CDT To all, I am in need of some help. I have a 3640 router that is new. We got a 4 port ethernet module for it and a Network module that holds 2 WAN interfaces. Put the ethernet module in and the IOS sees it and everything is fine. Put the 2-port serial module in and nothing happens. Thought module was bad so got a replacement today. Inserted the 2 WAN cards in the new module and placed in router. Still nothing, does not see the WAN cards. So then i placed the ethernet module in the same slot the WAN module was in to make sure that slot works and it does. So then I took the 2 WAN cards out of the module and put them in 2 spare 2600's we have to make sure that they work, and they do. So this leaves me with this question. Is there something that I must do to get the 3640 to recognize this Network Module with the 2 WAN cards in it or by some strange luck did I just get 2 bad Network Modules and should try and order a 3rd new one. Thanks for your help Steve _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Trivea time one more hint
And though I appreciate his contributions (as well as those of many others), I'm not gonna send him any money no matter how nicely he asks on his web site... Dale [=`) From: "Oz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Oz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Timmons, Robert" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Trivea time one more hint Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:32:28 -0400 Well no but nice try actually a quick persusal at his site indicates to me that there is a couple of folks he should ack with greater detail. But a smart man never the less he is a young whippersnapper in regards to the correct answer Oz http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm Would that be Bob Bemer? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is a TCP packet encapsulated, etc.
Well, it is and it isn't... She did do another edition of the book. I did once work with a CCIE who failed his re-cert exam like 4 or 5 times in a row. He kept taking it without preparing at all... From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Phil Barker" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Priscilla Oppenheimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Derek CHUNG" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is a TCP packet encapsulated by a IP packet which is inside a Layer 2 frame? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:40:18 -0700 My only CCIE story is the CCIE who spotted me reading Radia Perlman's Interconnections, and advised me not to waste my time because "it was outdated" :- Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Phil Barker Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 5:33 AM To:Chuck Larrieu; Priscilla Oppenheimer; Derek CHUNG; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is a TCP packet encapsulated by a IP packet which is inside a Layer 2 frame? I met a CCIE 3 years ago who confirmed that he understood that ICMP was used for Ping request/reply ??? but nothing else. Scarrry. PS: I'm not tarring all CCIE's with the same brush. But exams are exams at the end of the day. Phil. --- Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:35 AM To: Derek CHUNG; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Is a TCP packet encapsulated by a IP packet which is inside a Layer 2 frame? snip Now Chuck said that nobody could rattle off header contents off the top of their head. I'm going to see if I can. ;-) CL: I believe I asked ( rhetorically ) how many could do what you did so well without referring to a chart or some other source. I think even Howard admitted he cannot do so at present? ( even if he was able to at one time ) IP Version Header Length Type of Service -- precedence, etc. Length of Packet ID -- all fragments have the same ID Flags -- don't fragment, more fragments Fragment Offset -- indicates the position of this data relative to the beginning of a fragmented message Time to Live -- decremented by each router until it reaches 0, in which case the packet is trashed Protocol -- next layer up, for example, UDP, TCP, EIGRP, OSPF, ICMP, etc. Header checksum Source IP Address Destination IP Address Options -- record route, source routing, etc. Padding if necessary -- must end on a 32-bit boundary CL: agrees with the source I am checking this against TCP Source Port Destination Port Sequence Number -- each BYTE is sequenced. This field specifies the seq # of the first byte in this message ACK Number Header Length Flags - Urgent, ACK, PUSH, RESET, SYN, FIN Window Size Checksum - checksum of header and data Urgent Pointer -- points to any urgent data in the message Options CL: WOW!!! Whew! Did it! ;-) CL: yes you did, PO, and therefore you are entitled to ask the rest of us how we ever got such and such a certification without knowing this ;- Still wondering how many CCIE's are unable to duplicate your feat. :- Priscilla At 03:59 AM 8/20/00, Derek CHUNG wrote: Is a TCP packet (layer 4) encapsulated by a IP packet (layer 3) which is inside a Layer 2 frame? If so, why the headers of a IP packet and TCP packet look so similar and redundant? CL: I also believe that this premise remains untrue. While both IP and TCP headers are normally 20 bytes, I see very little else in common, as befitting the very different functions they perform. TCP has more reliability functions built in - acknowledgement, windowing, etc. whereas IP is more oriented towards best effort delivery across an internet. ___ snip ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to pronounce? router
Well, it's spelled "router", but it's pronounced "Throat wobbler mangrove"... But soon it will be pronounced everywhere as: "Layer 3 switch" Heheheh Dale [=`) From: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ole Drews Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Ajaz Nawaz'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to pronounce? router Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:50:20 -0500 Take a look here: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=router The funny thing is that it can be pronounced different ways. I, being from Denmark, have used the word both there and in Houston, Texas where I have lived for the last four years, and both places I have always used and heard it pronounced "rau-dor". I have never heard it pronounced "roo-ter" - not even at Hooters :-) Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ajaz Nawaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to pronounce? router How should one pronounce - ROUTER In England most say - rooter I know in the US most say - rau ter Paul Borghese wrote: In Boston it is: Tkaas In New York it is: "Who wants to know?" In New Jersey it is pronounced TACACS but you need to give not just your Username and Password but also what exit. In Georgia it is pronounced Tacacs but you need to add a "ya' all" to the end and the password is always peach. In San Francisco it is pronounced: Tacacs.com Paul Borghese ""Cthulu, CCIE Candidate"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8nvemd$p0t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8nvemd$p0t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here's the way new Texans pronounce it... Tacacs = 'TIE- kax" RADIUS = "Ray Dee Us" HTH, Charles ""Victor Jia"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8nvea4$noh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8nvea4$noh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Can anyone tell how to pronounce the words TACACS, RADIUS? Anywhere can I find the pronounciation of all those abbreviations? Thanks. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why the ban on HTML email??
becauseFor many/people all the=tagsmake it difficult/to read the=actual?textof the message. Alsomost mailers tend to="duplicate:the"text bodyof themessagewhich?makes%the%size%of%each postmore than doublethe="size" ofthe useful messagewhen="you?count%the sizeof the tagsthemselves thismakes downloading all the messagestake a long="time"over a modemconnection . Dale [=`) From: "Clay Stuckey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Clay Stuckey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Group Study" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why the ban on HTML email?? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:05:08 -0400 Please understand I ask this out of ignorance. Why is HTML email shunned? Does it impede performance on a non-HTML enabled mail client? I was just curious. I like to send HTML signatures on my emails. Since I am in the job market, it looks far more impressive to do that. I do want to honor the rules of this group as I do get a lot out of it and I enjoy helping others on their path to CCIE. Thanks, Clay Stuckey - MCSE IMG border=0 (just kidding) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: accesslists outbounds?
Hard to imagine that it would be more efficient outbound on s3 rather than inbound on s2. The router would have to go to all the trouble of determining the path for the packet, only to drop it... seems kinda foolish. The process of reading the header and running down the access list entries for a match is processor intensive, but it should not be more or less intensive in any one direction... the process is still the same, isn't it? Dale [=`) From: "Martin Eriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Martin Eriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: accesslists outbounds? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:01:27 +0200 Hi! Found a little something in the CCNA Router and Switching Study Guide (http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/TestHome.htm). that I can't really recall reading anywhere else.. A simple scenario... s1 10.10.10.102 | |---routerA-s3 10.10.20.1 | s2 10.10.10.101 Access-list 1 permit 10.10.10.101 Access-list 1 deny 10.10.10.0 0.0.0.255 According to the text: " We could apply it as an inbound filter on Router A's interface to network 10.10.10.0, or as an outbound filter on Router A's interface to network 10.10.20.0. Outbound filters are less processor intensive for the router, so let's apply it outbound.". It's the last part I get confused with, "outbound filters are less processor intensive". I thought it was the opposite that it's better to stop the packets at the entry instead of the exit. I'm sure someone can sort things up for me.. best regards! Martin, E Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to pronounce? router
That would be Roto-Rooter... below is the advertising jingle that they used for many years: Roto-Rooter That's the name You just flush your troubles down the drain Roto-Rooter, Roto-Rooter, Roto-Rooter Dale [=`) From: "Khambay, Inderpal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Khambay, Inderpal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to pronounce? router Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:36:20 +0100 When I went to Phoenix , Arizona USA, I had to say "RAUTER" not Router (pronounce rooter in England), as there was a company Rooters that cleaned the drainage system in the State - So I was told by my American colleagues -Original Message- From: Maccubbin, Duncan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: How to pronounce? router I can verify this. We had a guy here last week from London. He kept talking about updating the roots in the rooter. Took me a minute to figure out what he was talking about. -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:50 AM To: 'Ajaz Nawaz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to pronounce? router Take a look here: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=router The funny thing is that it can be pronounced different ways. I, being from Denmark, have used the word both there and in Houston, Texas where I have lived for the last four years, and both places I have always used and heard it pronounced "rau-dor". I have never heard it pronounced "roo-ter" - not even at Hooters :-) Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ajaz Nawaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to pronounce? router How should one pronounce - ROUTER In England most say - rooter I know in the US most say - rau ter Paul Borghese wrote: In Boston it is: Tkaas In New York it is: "Who wants to know?" In New Jersey it is pronounced TACACS but you need to give not just your Username and Password but also what exit. In Georgia it is pronounced Tacacs but you need to add a "ya' all" to the end and the password is always peach. In San Francisco it is pronounced: Tacacs.com Paul Borghese ""Cthulu, CCIE Candidate"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8nvemd$p0t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8nvemd$p0t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Here's the way new Texans pronounce it... Tacacs = 'TIE- kax" RADIUS = "Ray Dee Us" HTH, Charles ""Victor Jia"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8nvea4$noh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8nvea4$noh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Can anyone tell how to pronounce the words TACACS, RADIUS? Anywhere can I find the pronounciation of all those abbreviations? Thanks. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This message may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail
Re: accesslists outbounds?
OK, OK, I see what you mean, but suppose that s1, s2, s4 and s5 are point-to-point links to stub networks, but s3 is a connection to the core, or to the Internet, or anywhere else such that the majority of the traffic entering the router on any other interface leaves through s3. In this case, nearly all the traffic entering the router gets passed through the access list as opposed to the traffic from a single interface (s2). I would strongly avoid saying that outbound lists are generally less processor intensive, but instead you might say that in certian configurations they can be... I think that "IN GENERAL", most access lists are processor intensive, and placement of the access list, inbound or outbound, should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to determine which approach is most efficient. It all comes back to: "What is the problem you are trying to solve?" It's really starting to sink in... Thanks Howard! Dale [=`) From: "Atif Awan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] they say that outbound access lists are less processor intensive because the router has only to process those packets destined for the destination you are trying to affect. When you apply it inbound then the router has to match each packet coming into that interface even though that packet might not be relevant to the access list. The scenario presented is just a simple one and in this case it does not matter where you place the access list but think of two more serial interfaces in addition to S3. if you apply the access list inbound then packets destined for S4 and S5 will also have to be processed through the list even though they have nothing to do with the S3 interface. So the conclusion is that "Outbound access lists are IN GENERAL less processor intensive than in bound access lists" ... remember IN GENERAL ... there can be exceptions Regards Atif -Original Message- From: Dale Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: accesslists outbounds? Hard to imagine that it would be more efficient outbound on s3 rather than inbound on s2. The router would have to go to all the trouble of determining the path for the packet, only to drop it... seems kinda foolish. The process of reading the header and running down the access list entries for a match is processor intensive, but it should not be more or less intensive in any one direction... the process is still the same, isn't it? Dale [=`) From: "Martin Eriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Martin Eriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: accesslists outbounds? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:01:27 +0200 Hi! Found a little something in the CCNA Router and Switching Study Guide (http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/TestHome.htm). that I can't really recall reading anywhere else.. A simple scenario... s1 10.10.10.102 | |---routerA-s3 10.10.20.1 | s2 10.10.10.101 Access-list 1 permit 10.10.10.101 Access-list 1 deny 10.10.10.0 0.0.0.255 According to the text: " We could apply it as an inbound filter on Router A's interface to network 10.10.10.0, or as an outbound filter on Router A's interface to network 10.10.20.0. Outbound filters are less processor intensive for the router, so let's apply it outbound.". It's the last part I get confused with, "outbound filters are less processor intensive". I thought it was the opposite that it's better to stop the packets at the entry instead of the exit. I'm sure someone can sort things up for me.. best regards! Martin, E Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: accesslists outbounds?
|--E0,R1,S0 WAN linkS1,R2,E0--| Vijay, You are correct in saying that an outbound filter on R1,S0 would have less impact on your WAN link than an inbound filter on R2,S1, but what about an inbound extended access list (that considers destination address) on R1,E0? It might accomplish the same thing, and be more efficient (depending on what might be happening on R1's S1, S2, S3, S4 etc.). You really have to examine closely which traffic you intend to filter, and what impact the filter will have at any of the valid places you may apply it. It is difficult to generalize this, it needs to be examined case-by-case... Dale [=`) From: Vijay Ramcharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Vijay Ramcharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: accesslists outbounds? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:02:27 -0400 There is another advantage to placing access lists outbound. Traffic won't have to travel across the network only to be dropped on the other side. Less bandwidth consumption across your WAN. That's why it is recommended that access lists be placed as close as possible to the traffic source. My 2 cents. Vijay Ramcharan CCNP, CCDA, MCSE -Original Message- From: Atif Awan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:28 PM To: Dale Holmes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: accesslists outbounds? they say that outbound access lists are less processor intensive because the router has only to process those packets destined for the destination you are trying to affect. When you apply it inbound then the router has to match each packet coming into that interface even though that packet might not be relevant to the access list. The scenario presented is just a simple one and in this case it does not matter where you place the access list but think of two more serial interfaces in addition to S3. if you apply the access list inbound then packets destined for S4 and S5 will also have to be processed through the list even though they have nothing to do with the S3 interface. So the conclusion is that "Outbound access lists are IN GENERAL less processor intensive than in bound access lists" ... remember IN GENERAL ... there can be exceptions Regards Atif -Original Message----- From: Dale Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: accesslists outbounds? Hard to imagine that it would be more efficient outbound on s3 rather than inbound on s2. The router would have to go to all the trouble of determining the path for the packet, only to drop it... seems kinda foolish. The process of reading the header and running down the access list entries for a match is processor intensive, but it should not be more or less intensive in any one direction... the process is still the same, isn't it? Dale [=`) From: "Martin Eriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Martin Eriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: accesslists outbounds? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:01:27 +0200 Hi! Found a little something in the CCNA Router and Switching Study Guide (http://www.rkingma.com/cisco/TestHome.htm). that I can't really recall reading anywhere else.. A simple scenario... s1 10.10.10.102 | |---routerA-s3 10.10.20.1 | s2 10.10.10.101 Access-list 1 permit 10.10.10.101 Access-list 1 deny 10.10.10.0 0.0.0.255 According to the text: " We could apply it as an inbound filter on Router A's interface to network 10.10.10.0, or as an outbound filter on Router A's interface to network 10.10.20.0. Outbound filters are less processor intensive for the router, so let's apply it outbound.". It's the last part I get confused with, "outbound filters are less processor intensive". I thought it was the opposite that it's better to stop the packets at the entry instead of the exit. I'm sure someone can sort things up for me.. best regards! Martin, E Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduc
Re: Reverse telnet definition
From the DOC CD: "Performing a reverse Telnet means that you are initiating a Telnet session out the asynchronous line, instead of accepting a connection into the line (called a forward connection)." Does that help? Dale [=`) From: RD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reverse telnet definition Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:28:31 -0700 (PDT) After the recent "what's in an IP packet" and "How do you pronounce " threads, I hesitate to ask a simple question, but here goes... ...can anyone explain to me why Cisco insists on calling it "Reverse Telnet"??? Telnet is telnet right? What am I missing? - Rich ___ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Career Certification T-Shirt Received
Really??? Not mine... My CCNA Cisco Career Certification T-Shirt has a really big CCNA logo and Cisco Career Certifications box in the front that takes up about the whole front of the shirt. On the back, right between the shoulders, is a fist clutching a diploma or something like that. It's a pretty cool shirt... Dale [=`) From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Career Certification T-Shirt Received Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:24:35 -0500 (CDT) I got one of those before too. I don't think they always send you one for every cert...maybe just when they have them in stock? Anyways, its about the lamest Cisco tshirt I have ever seen :)) The whole thing is white, all over, with a small cisco logo/statment over the left chest. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, wind wrote: Hi; I had received Cisco Career Certification T-shirt today. Cheers Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: $13,300 for 5 months
NO training is worth the money. NONE. Period. BUT - many people cannot do it on thier own - they need training, and so they must pay the price. In any given class, you have a collection of people who cannot do it alone (and one or two who probably could have if they had the confidence). Out of those, there are several who not only cannot do it alone, they simply cannot do it. And they won't do it. AND they will blame it on the training center. No doubt about it. Some training centers are excellent and others are, well... not excellent. The same can be said of the students. I never recommend training to people, only self study. But if you lack the confidence to do it on your own, training might be the answer. It is a crapshoot... some win, many lose. One thing is certain though, if they do nothing then they will certainly get nothing in return. My 2 cents... Dale [=`) From: "Croyle, James" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Croyle, James" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: $13,300 for 5 months Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:06:12 -0400 This is going to evoke some flames, especially if The Chubb Institute is reading this... So send them privately as to not waste bandwidth. I went to The Chubb Institute last year from February to June, and during that period, got my MSCE, CNA, A+, and did the CCNA on my own. Out of the 15 in my class, 6 of us got the whole MSCE, and no one got all the certs I did. I gave the instructor the notes that I had gathered from my reading and taking the test. Unless The Chubb Institute has changed their curriculum, there is no CCNA course there. I would have him verify that the person he talked with knows the difference between CCNA, and CNA. In addition, if I had it over, I would have taken my 10K and bought 3 computers, NT Server, NT Workstation, Win 95, and a router and switch or two (low end) and done it all myself. Hindsight is 20/20 they say. If he is a self starter, and not afraid to talk to/ask others when he is stuck, he will get an immesurable amount of better experience from building it himself and doing the learning. I have not recommended anyone of my collegues to attend Chubb either full or part time, that should say something. IMVHO, Jim Croyle -Original Message- From: Marshal Schoener [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 3:33 PM To: 'Rah Sta'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: $13,300 for 5 months In my opinion, 5 months is enough time to pass those 5 tests!!! But, that's just my opinion :-) I know some people that went to CHUBBS, and liked it. -Marshal -Original Message- From: Rah Sta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: $13,300 for 5 months To all, I have a friend who wants to get into networking. He plans on taking a 5 month networking course at CHUBBS. I told him he's crazy. He said that they will give him the skills he need to PASS 4 Microsoft exam(MCSE) and CCNA. I told him that impossible, especially for $13,500. He lives in the New York/New Jersey area. I know there are better courses out there. Does any one have any suggestion? He has $13,500 to spend. Raheem Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Read the whole book, cover to cover. Re-read anything that you felt uneasy about. Do all of the practice tests/labs that came with the book. Then go take the test. That is the best way to find out how you are doing. If you fail, you will have a pretty good idea whether your study materials can adequately fill in the blanks. If you pass, then your done, and you are ready to move on to CCNP... Good Luck! Dale [=`) From: "Mike Sholar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mike Sholar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Group Stuyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:02:09 -0400 Hi. A quick question, I have recently started working on my CCNA, and purchased Todd Lammle's Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide and have been reading and using the simulated lab, for several weeks. My question: Should I invest in more hardware/software/books to properly train for the CCNA test, or is what I have appropriate? I appreciate any help given. Mike MCSE, MCP+I Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telco problem, DB 15 and RJ 45 dmarc
Will a DB25 adapter help you much if the telco is terminating with at DB15? From: Albert Ip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Albert Ip [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Telco problem, DB 15 and RJ 45 dmarc Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:09:20 -0700 We order a F/T1 from local Telco. When we put the order in, I went and bought the WIC-1DSU-T1 for both ends. Now the telco said they cannot deliver a dmarc of RJ45. "please advise the client that we will not be able to deliver on RJ-45 but DB-15 instead. Telus, for one reason or another will not deliver on RJ-45. Also, ensure that the client has 2 pairs (4 wire) and in-house cabling available to extend the circuit." I found a link on Cisco to make a RJ45 to DB25 adapter. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/sc/r2/mgchw/tchwcabl. htm#xtocid1478210 Will a straight adapter do? Had anyone done this before? Any help would be great. Now, for the study question. I am going to have 2 WIC-1DSU-T1 router to play with for a month or so. Can I just cross a RJ45 for back to back testing and practice? Thanks Albert ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Figure this one out!!! (telco was wrong)
Once when troubleshooting a problem with the Telco, I had to go to a meeting and call the guy back. After hanging up the phone, I shut down the router, unplugged all the cables, and took it back to my desk. 2 or 3 hours later, I get a call from the guy at the Telco, and he says to me "We've been hitting that box all morning with no problem..." I say "Really?!?!" "Yeah," he says "no problem at our end". So I say "The thing is, you see, that I have that router sitting on my desk now, it hasn't been in the rack for 3 hours or so. I can't see how it could possibly be responding to you." LONG pause... "What was that circuit ID again?" he says. I nearly pissed myself laughing... Rule 1. The telco is lying Rule 2. Refer to rule 1 Dale [=`) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Figure this one out!!! (telco was wrong) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:20:13 EDT Hey group, Thanks for the help I got from you. We wound up getting on the phone with telco and worked through it with them. They said that they were seeing 140% overutilization for the CIR on that link and when we would look at our show command we saw, for 3 minutes 16,000 bytes sent. Our CIR is 16K PER SECOND! We were doing 16k for 3 minutes and those geniuses at telco, who were watching the link at the same time we were, said that it was at 140% over. How does that add up??? Well I've learned something very valuable in my first week of work in this field...NEVER TRUST, LISTEN TO, REASON WITH, OR TRY TO UNDERSTAND...who?...you guessed it...TELCO!!! By the way, after about 20 minutes he says, "Oh, wait a minute...now I'm seeing something strange from that device...I'll have to re-route this one" So tickets closed. Thanks for the help again guys. I'll wait a little longer before posting these for now on. See-ya Mark Z. ~ CCNA,CCDA Unisys, e-@ction net manag serv ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a bit OT.. maybe :^)
I actually did the WtWW thing once. I wanted to connect my in home LAN to my next door neighbor's LAN, so I took a cable and threw it out the window. He pulled it into his house and popped it in his hub. We meant to have the link up only for a day or two, but we got about 4 feet of snow that night. The line stayed in place all winter long. It made for great fun - we had neighbor to neighbor hacking wars for months. Not to mention the Quake server... Ahhh the good old days! Dale [=`) From: "Joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: a bit OT.. maybe :^) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:30:18 -0400 whew.. tough crowd Actually I tried that the over head was to high with the the cost of feed and all. -Joe- ""Chuck Larrieu"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 002a01c001b0$2a7a3da0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:002a01c001b0$2a7a3da0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ah gee whiz, Dale, maybe he and his friend are using RFC 1149 and 2549 specified routing protocols. :- Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dale Holmes Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 6:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: a bit OT.. maybe :^) ANthese routers would be connected how? Through WTWW (Window to Window Wiring)? 2 soup cans and some string? Thin Air? The point is, there could be any number of things in the "atmosphere" that would effectively filter out your broadcast crap (and his too...) before it got to its destination. With the limited info you have provided, it is not very easy to tell... Dale [=`) From: "Joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: a bit OT.. maybe :^) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:59:49 -0400 1st Question - If I were to have a router here and a router in someone elses house (dual ethernet of course) and added ip helper address to each of them pointing to the other, would he see all my broadcasts... ie netbeui ... ie see each other in our net neighborhoods? 2nd Question .. (the OT part) - can anyone point me in a direction on finding some comprehensive "how to's" for setting up a VPN between (NON-CISCO) my machine using a cable modem and a friends machine using a DSL modem... also, if it were done, would we see each other in our net neighborhoods and be able to map each others drives? thanks for any help in this... -Joe- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cheap Virtual Cisco Lab
Um, I think that Brad was just kiddin' with you Griffin. Don't take it so seriously. We've all posted a dead link from time to time... Note that Brad is a CCIE, so I'd hesitate just a bit to call him a dumb ass. If word of mouth was all your business needed, then you wouldn't be posting ads here. But that's OK - we'd all love to check out your labs and see what you have to offer. Is there an online resource? Where can we can find out: 1. What equipment you have to offer 2. What lab scenarios you have to offer 3. What prices and package deals you can offer 4. How to purchase time and access the labs 5. Anything else a potential customer should know If there is no such resource, how should one who wishes to take you up on YOUR offer proceed? Got a phone number? Should we all e-mail you directly? What type of response time can we expect? When you post an invitation/ad with bad or little information, consider the impact it makes on potential customers. When someone points out your mistake, whether politely or otherwise, consider that you really are in error before you lash out at them. If you don't really need our business, then you shouldn't really post your ads here in the first place. If you would like the members of this list to take advantage of your systems, then tell them how to do so. When you lash out at someone who points out problems with your post, it creates a *serious* lack of faith in your ability to provide customer support... You have relied on word of mouth to grow your business so far, and with apparent success (if we take you at your word). Before you lash out again, consider the number of mouths on this list and what words they might use in response to your actions. I wish you great success in your efforts! Dale [=`) From: Chris Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Chris Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Griffin Monroe'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cheap Virtual Cisco Lab Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:50:56 -0400 Ah this sucks. We are just trying to learn and help each other out. Thanx for the labs and remote acces and selling us good packages regardless of who you are! I appreciate having the option and the availability no matter where it comes from. This bs sucks. This is about sharing info. -Original Message- From: Griffin Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap Virtual Cisco Lab Very Very Funny You are so correct - The web site was really just thrown together because of our current slow period after one year of great success. We have been very busy with providing customized labs and lab expansion, and really did not need a web site. Word of mouth marketing and RESULTS have been very good to us. We tend to rely more on the success rate of engineers passing the CCIE Lab than a WEB SITE. So, for all the Brad Ellis's around the world, myself and all our CCIE's will keep laughing at you dumb asses all the way to the bank with our "dead" Presidents and web site. . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8mqbhj$nvo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8mqbhj$nvo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's so cheap because they dont even have a web-site! lol (Your link is dead) For great virtual racks with VoIP, ISDN, ATM, etc. : www.ccbootcamp.com For great prices on Cisco routers/switches/CCIE labs: www.optsys.net have a great day! -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 ""Griffin Monroe"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8mqa67$k8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8mqa67$k8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Please check out this new Virual Cisco Lab for certifaction preparation @ www.p-labs.com . The owner is very flexible on the prices. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines:
Exterior Routing
Come and talk with Howard Berkowitz tonight at 8pm EST regarding Exterior Routing. www.allnetllc.net/chat/ciscochat.htm *Sorry if this is a duplicate post - it looks as if my posts are not coming through this afternoon...* Dale [=`) Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
