RE: Does access list work for router originated packets [7:17359]
Since ping uses returning packets to work its those that are being blocked. Use a sniffer to see the process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Does access list work for router originated packets [7:17357] Hi I can't believe I am challenging Priscilla! I just tried what you are talking about, i.e. that the ACL on the router does not effect the traffic generated by the router it's self. I created an extended ACL to block all ICMP traffic and applied it to E0 as both IN and OUT. Before appling the ACL I can ping just fine to any host on the network and any host on the network can ping the router. After Appling the ACL I am not able to ping from the router, or to the router. I am running 11.1 IOS, maybe it would yield different results with a different IOS version. What IOS and platform did you see this behavior? Here's my config. Windoze PC 192.168.10.50 --- E0 Router2 192.168.10.20 RedHat PC 192.168.10.2 -Router config-- Current configuration: ! version 11.1 service udp-small-servers service tcp-small-servers ! hostname C2501-R2 ! enable secret 5 XXX enable password none ! ip subnet-zero ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 192.168.10.20 255.255.255.0 ip access-group 100 in ip access-group 100 out no ip mroute-cache no ip route-cache ! interface Serial0 ip address 192.168.50.1 255.255.255.252 no ip mroute-cache encapsulation ppp no ip route-cache ! interface Serial1 no ip address no ip mroute-cache no ip route-cache shutdown ! ip classless logging buffered access-list 100 deny icmp any any access-list 100 permit ip any any ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 line aux 0 transport input all line vty 0 4 exec-timeout 0 0 password login ! end ---Router Config-- ---Ping results- C2501-R2#ping 192.168.10.50 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echoes to 192.168.10.50, timeout is 2 seconds: . Success rate is 0 percent (0/5) C2501-R2#conf t Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. C2501-R2(config)#int e0 C2501-R2(config-if)#no ip access-group 100 in C2501-R2(config-if)#no ip access-group 100 out C2501-R2(config-if)#^Z C2501-R2# %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console C2501-R2#ping 192.168.10.50 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echoes to 192.168.10.50, timeout is 2 seconds: ! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 1/2/4 ms C2501-R2# Windoze Ping with ACL C:\>ping 192.168.10.20 Pinging 192.168.10.20 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 192.168.10.20: Destination net unreachable. Reply from 192.168.10.20: Destination net unreachable. Reply from 192.168.10.20: Destination net unreachable. Reply from 192.168.10.20: Destination net unreachable. Ping statistics for 192.168.10.20: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms Windoze Ping without ACL C:\>ping 192.168.10.20 Pinging 192.168.10.20 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 192.168.10.20: bytes=32 time wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I know it's not what you said. What you said was obvious. I guess it comes > about because I said to test with end devices. Router A is acting like an > end device in your example. I should have been more clear. > > What is not obvious is that ACLs on Router B do not apply to pings to and > from Router B. Every newbie has probably been bitten by that one, > especially in simple labs. > > Priscilla > > At 09:42 PM 8/26/01, Brad Ellis wrote: > >Priscilla, that's not what I said. Here's what I said: > > > >"...pings sent by one router will not be filtered by another router? " > > > >Hence my diagram for further explanation: > > > >Router A -=- Router B -=- Device A > >(-=- can be ethernet x-over, serial back-to-back, etc) > > > >An ACL is applied on Router B's interface (applied inbound) that is > >connected to Router A. What I originally said, and continue to say, is that > >Router B will most certainly block packets (pings or whatever) coming from > >Router A...and it is irrelevant if Router A is a router or a host device. > >The ACL on Router B doesnt care if the device sending packets is a router or > >an end host device! > > > >If Router B was initiating the ping and Router B had the ACL applied, that > >would be a different story. > > > >ttyl, > >-Brad Ellis > >CCIE#5796 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >used Cisco: www.optsys.net > > > >""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > At 08:06 PM 8/26/01, Brad Ellis wrote: > > > >Priscilla, > > > > > > > >Are you saying that pings sent by one router will not be filtered by > >another > > > >router? I beg to differ. > > > > > > Of course not. Pings sent by the router where the
Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:17399]
One way to save a good sum of money is to have the telco pull you a 2B1D(Bri) ISDN line and use one B channel per router. Does everthing except multilink (and that can be done with a willing partner) and costs a lot less than a simulator (most Ive seen run $1500-2500 compared to about $300 in telco charges). Might want to do this towards the end to keep costs down and cancel the service when finished. Anybody know a different way would be great to hear it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17399&t=17399 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DDR setup [7:17486]
Are you running any routing protocols over this T1 link? Even if the port doesnt fail the routing protocol would lose the neighbor and promote the ISDN route. You dont mention how time critical this is but surely hello/dead times could be adjusted for this. IMHO Dan Faulk CCNP (not a terminal condition just a temporary one) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17486&t=17486 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Setup [7:17487]
Thanks for the info Brad. Would be a real nice addition to the lab. My biggest problem is money (4 kids, wife , dog, etc ) so always looking for a way to save some bucks. Wont be taking the Lab for about a year for that reason but Im learning like crazy so time is well spent. Again Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:17399] Dan, That's a great way to do ISDN. It definitely is initially cheaper than using an ISDN sim. On the other hand, you may have to wait 2 months before the telco will install the line. Some telco's charge big $$ to install and activate an ISDN line. You also need to take into account the monthly charge and all of the friendly taxes that are applied to your ISDN monthly bill. If you can afford the upfront $$, I'd recommend purchasing an ISDN sim. It also can come in handy if you work with other engineers and want to combine equipment at times. You are not limited by location. The prices in ISDN sims have substantially dropped. Groupstudy members can get them for $1300/pc. Hopefully Paul will be putting the information up on his web page under the Discounts section shortly. Until then, feel free to contact me for information. -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > One way to save a good sum of money is to have the telco pull you a > 2B1D(Bri) ISDN line and use one B channel per router. Does everthing except > multilink (and that can be done with a willing partner) and costs a lot less > than a simulator (most Ive seen run $1500-2500 compared to about $300 in > telco charges). Might want to do this towards the end to keep costs down and > cancel the service when finished. Anybody know a different way would be > great to hear it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17487&t=17487 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3com router configuration [7:17491]
Did Cisco buy 3com too -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Baker, Jason Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 3com router configuration [7:17491] This might be hard to understand but how on earth does 3com translate into cisco ? i would suggest the 3com site might be more beneficial or even try a 3com newsgroup ??? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 2:50 pm > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: 3com router configuration [7:17491] > > Hi group, > I have 3Com acessBuilder 2208 router which I want to configure as acess > server .Can I get some help like sample onfiguration or URL Etc.? > Thanks in advance. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17516&t=17491 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3 envelopes [7:17666]
I bought all I could lay hands on at the low side of $13 a share. I think they be doing very well indeed. Not many stocks have gone up almost 20% since April. All depends on your point of view. Personaly Im selling at $82, I aint greedy. Best Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 3 envelopes [7:17666] now that Cisco stock has sunk back to 16, I'll bet you wish you hadn't said this ;-> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charlie Hartwell Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3 envelopes [7:17666] Well, John Chambers is the CEO of Cisco Systems so I don't think he's at all bothered about the career of this "Tom Chambers" you mention. Speaking of John Chambers - I expect he's quite happy at the moment. Since Cisco announced a restructure program (the details of which elude me) the share price has risen slightly and the long term outlook is better. I hope they do manage to turn it around because Cisco are often seen as the yard arm as far as telecomms prospects go and that's my business too! I kinda like my job so good luck to them. Anyway, apart from being out of date and incorrect, it's quite a funny story. ;) Regards Charlie --- netm thru wrote: > A CEO resigned from a company and left the new CEO 3 > envelopes. The new one asked the old one what they > were for. He replied open them one at a time when > times get tough. A few months later when times were > tough the new CEO opened an envelope and it said > "Blame the economy" so he did. A quarter later when > things were still bad he opened the second envelope. > It said "Restructure". > A couple of quarters later he opened the third > envelope. It said "Leave 3 envelopes". > How long before Tom Chambers leaves his 3 envelopes? > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18039&t=17666 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
Having recently just passed CCNP this year I will say you must have a Router. The reason is that the prescribed rituals must be performed in front of the Router. Without a Router the powerful spirit of routing, BGPOSPF, wont bless your efforts and even if you do pass all knowledge will be removed from you within 2 months. Some have said scrificing your most valuable possesion before the router helps. I give it my time which seemed to work well. Others have given the Router spirit money, bought it accessories, even food but so far time works best. Hope this helps and smile cause TGIF!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of D Rick Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18107] Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? I'm doing practice test from Boson and doing the Sybex study guide? Is that sufficient? Do I need to be in front of a router? Thanks in advance, Rick D Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18124&t=18124 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Don't think this is true ! Re: CCIE One-Day Lab layout [7:18228]
The 6500 is set based here is the link for the command ref. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat6000/sw5_1/comdref/cl i.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ahmed Mamoor Amimi Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Don't think this is true ! Re: CCIE One-Day Lab layout [7:18218] Is 6500 the router SET base as those of 5000 series or the IOS like 1900 or routers I also agree that they will not put PIX in the exam . i think that rack will contain PIX but we will not have to config it it will be for other CCIE track. -Mamoor "Brian H. Jones" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I dont know about the PIX but the 6500s will replace the 5500s. That you > can count on. > > > "jc0" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Guys, > > > > I DO NOT think this is true though. Unless someone can verify this with > > Cisco. > > > > > > > > ""Brad Ellis"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Here's the info from the grapevine on the layout for the new ONE-DAY > CCIE > > > Lab: > > > > > > 1x Cisco PIX > > > 1x 2600 > > > 3x 25xx > > > 3x 3640 > > > 1x 4000 (Frame router) > > > 1x Cat 6509 > > > > > > This is the standard layout for all CCIE lab's except for WAN switching. > > > > > > Gotta wonder if people will start seeing some Pix stuff on the CCIE R&S > > > lab!!! > > > > > > -Brad Ellis > > > CCIE#5796 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Network Learning Inc > > > Used Cisco: www.optsys.net Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18228&t=18228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124]
Yeah Ive seen this on a couple of different position requirements. Come to think of it they were posted by companies that either have a high number of H-1Bs or govt contracts but lets not go there I always get into way too much trouble on that one. :) Seriously its a heck of a test if boson is any indication, but looks weird on a requirements list. Dan Faulk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Circusnuts Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] :o) Contractors made the CCIE written a cert. level. I saw this about a year ago, when working a government gig. I think they called it a junior expert level. Phil Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18247&t=18124 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18310]
Look I know given enough of a mind you can do anything from books. The real question is what have you got when you do pass it? Not much, the knowledge wont stick, the brain doesn't work that way. Reading a book on driving a car may give you the answers to the test but it wont make you a good driver. Long term memory is action and emotion driven thats why its hard forget that night you finally get a complicated BGP scenario to work on your router lab, or fight though the problems at 2 AM of getting that new RSM to work, and will never ever forget driving an hour in the snow to fix a problem someone else caused on a clients network because they didn't know what they were doing, yeah they thought they could slide by. Is practical experience enough? No you need a lab either at work, home, or with a group cause some things just have to be done to be understood. To be the best is the only "exam" any of us should be interested in passing. So can you pass the test without a lab? Depends on which "test" you are really trying to pass. Good luck Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jap_e Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] The answer is Yes, you can be a paper CCNP. I just turned CCNP last week and I have never touched a router before. Have never logged into a router, not used any router simulator software. (Yes I know how a router looked like from the pictures I've seen.) Neither did i cheat by using brain dumps. All the information for passing the exams only came from the 4 Sybex books (routing, switching, support, RA) Not trying to be proud here, but a paper CCNP is possible. Will take my written CCIE soon. As for the lab exam, hmm... we shall see... Cheers, Eve - Original Message - From: Christopher Supino To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:02 AM Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] Consider them rolled. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B.J. Wilson Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] I heard that cert was still in Draft stage. (insert collective eye-roll here.) - Original Message - From: "Christopher Supino" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] > Nice Chuck. Don't forget to add CFTA(Certified Flush Toilet Administrator), > and MCBD(Miller Certified Beer Drinker). > > :) > > Chris > > -Original Message- > From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:22 PM > To: Christopher Supino; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Christopher Supino > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] > > When did CCIE Written become a certification? I take serious issue with > engineers who do this. It only adds to the cheapening of the cert. Pass your > lab, get your number, call yourself a CCIE. Til then, you are a CCNP, CCDP. > My two cents. > > CL: about the same time the CCNP 2.0 became a certification. Some people > will do anything to make themselves look better > > Chuck > primary school diploma, high school diploma, Universal Life Church minister > Costco GoldStar Member, United Mileage Plus member, Calif. State AAA member > should I join the NRA and look tough too? ;-> > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > ahmed adil > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] > > > Just cant do it without a router > > Ahmed > CCIE Written CCNP CCDP MCSE > > ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Having recently just passed CCNP this year I will say you must have a > > Router. > > The reason is that the prescribed rituals must be performed in front of > the > > Router. > > Without a Router the powerful spirit of routing, BGPOSPF, wont bless your > > efforts and even if you do pass all knowledge will be removed from you > > within 2 months. Some have said scr
Upgrade of 3102 [7:19048]
Anyone have any experience with upgraded 310X to level of running 2500 IOS 12? Ive seen a couple on ebay and I have an old 3102 and if it can be upgraded it might be worth more than a boat anchor afterall. Thanks Dan Faulk Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19048&t=19048 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: transceiver setting. [7:19168]
Always off. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 3:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: transceiver setting. [7:19168] curious to know what do you guys set the SQE setting on your AUI transceivers? is it in the ON position or OFF? im using these on the 2500 routers... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19173&t=19168 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Back to Back ISDN [7:19312]
Ive been told and it makes perfect it is indeed possible. Let me know how things turn out as your configuration is ver close to what I will be using when the time comes. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Harville Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Back to Back ISDN [7:19312] This is a fine group and I lurk here often, please help if you can... Does anyone know if its possible to setup two C2503's back to back over a single ISDN line, assigning one spid to one router and the other spid to the second router? I have 2 Cisco 2503's with st Bri. Im using Motorola NT1 device with a single U interface and 2 ST ports. I have at my disposal a single ISDN line from SW Bell. I would like to split the spids at the nt1 device and practice my DDR with only one spid on each router. If this is possible, please forward any info you might have on exactly how to do this? Thanks in advance. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19397&t=19312 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: US Stock [7:19433]
To bring this home a bit I had interviewed with a firm early last month that was looking for someone with a broad base in technology. It was the kind of job a lifetime techie dreams about, high profile, state of the art toys, great pay, a real step up. But they didnt feel they needed to pay relocation expenses and I couldnt foot the bill myself. Really great location to work too, The World Trade Center. Not disapinted any longer... What ever happens the rest of my life I will not complain. Feeling the hair stand up on the back of his neck, Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael L. Williams Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: US Stock [7:19433] Although I WILL NOT go off any any manner the way I would like to, I WILL SAY that NO ONE has ANY RIGHT to blame these acts on GOD, ESPECIALLY a person that obviously DOES NOT believe such a God exists!!! All my prayers are with the people and families of this tragedy, NOT with the economy (which WILL recover) and with gas prices (which WILL go up). Mike W. "B.J. Wilson" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Well, since we're off-topic anyway...maybe if God existed, this incredible > loss of life wouldn't have occurred in the first place. Part of rebuilding > our society involves rebuilding our economy, so it's worth discussing. As > far as life is concerned, I'm donating blood later today, and I've made sure > my two friends who live in NYC are okay. What are you doing besides > praying? > > > - Original Message - > From: "Juan Blanco" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: US Stock [7:19433] > > > > Thanks Priscilla, you are %100 correct, these people here are thinking > > about the economic...when they shoulb be thinking about rebuilding > > families.they should be thinking about a prayer to God in order to > save > > as many peoples as posible > > > > My prayer to those that did not make it in the terror atack > > > > God bless america.. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 9/11/2001 12:45 PM > > Subject: RE: US Stock [7:19433] > > > > We're talking about rebuilding the economy? How about rebuilding > > families > > (if that can even be done??) > > > > Priscilla > > > > At 01:25 PM 9/11/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote: > > >since you asked - this is real bad news for the economy. there are a > > number > > >of major financial firms located in the twin towers, all of whom have > > >probably lost key people. These are firms that drive the economy in > > terms of > > >investment and investment capital. how long will it take to get things > > >straight? you will see spillovers into the stock market, into planning, > > into > > >corporate spending. that translates into jobs. > > > > > >yes there will be rebuilding that must take place, and this will > > eventually > > >mean an economic boost. but maybe not for New York City. If I were a > > >survivor of one of these firms, and had the chance to build from > > scratch, I > > >would seriously consider relocating to Kansas. And I do not say that > > >sarcastically. > > > > > >this tragedy spills way beyond what one might think. In an economy as > > weak > > >as ours is now, this is real bad news indeed. > > > > > >hoping any number of friends and personal acquaintances who work in > > that > > >area are ok. > > > > > >Chuck > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > >sparkest pig > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:56 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: US Stock [7:19433] > > > > > > > > >Would the technology or other industry go down and the Department of > > >Defense funding go up? would this be good to us, the Cisco geeks? > > > > > >--- > > - > > > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19501&t=19433 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE e-books [7:19716]
Having trouble locating the material on everybody's recommended reading lists in PDF format. Does anyone know where to find the following in PDF, rest assured I want to BUY them not steal them. Have found them in paper but not PDF. Top-Down Network Design Routing TCP/IP Volume I (CCIE Professional Development) CISCO Certification: Bridges, Routers & Switches for CCIEs Cisco Routing Illustrated: A Workbook for Ccies and Ccnps Thanks May God Bless America and her allies Dan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19716&t=19716 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Serious advice needed from CCIE [7:19800]
Looking to add a switch to the lab and this product line is giving me fits. Looks like the switch of choice for the CCIE rack is the 6500. Of course this is far and away outside my price range. Any suggestions please? Thanks Dan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19800&t=19800 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RANT Longish, Why Cisco and not ...!!! [7:19933]
All this is very educational and almost useless to the task at hand. Many of
us are here to prepare ourselves for the toughest test we've ever taken
outside of marriage (I aint kidding folks), and have chosen this path for
several good reasons. None of which are related to the sour grapes between
Cisco and Nortel, which BTW are no different than those between Microsoft
and IBM of several years ago.
If Nortel is sponsoring an industry certification with near the widespread
esteem of Cisco's CCIE please by all means tell us what we are missing. I
can put together a Nortel lab much cheaper than a Cisco one and am all
ears.
This industry has been in constant flux since day 0 and all the claims of
mine is bigger than yours doesn't matter one wit. Personally I think Nortel
makes a good product though not as good as Cisco's overall but that's IMHO.
If they have a lead in a up and coming market segment good for them, they
need it. But don't fool yourselves it wont last never has, never will and
Cisco in particular I'm sure keeps that in mind. Sorry for the OT its been a
long week and it aint over yet as now I got to "try" and find a flight to
Houston.
Give 'em hell Dubya
Dan
{only a Cisco stock holder since 2001, but I bought at 13 :)) }
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RE: RANT Longish, Why Cisco and not ...!!! [7:19933]
Why Robert you have such a low opinion of a person you don't even know, trust me I'm much more pig-headed in real life. My response is in your inbox at work. Yes I did study the page you posted and now everything has become clear. But you really must have pity on me you see. I was so uneducated as to your purposes now I see that without your insight, calm humility, fairness, and understanding I would forever been awash in a sea of Cisco rah-rah happily sipping my kool-aid and toasting the gods in ignorance. Now I see the light and have been saved! Once I thought that not a single interface failure on any of my routers was a good thing, but now I see it's only Cisco obsolescence. One I thought a huge market share was a great thing, now I know its only the death rattle for Cisco. One I thought understanding IOS was cool, now I know its unnecessary and obsolete. Thanks Robert for your time and patience, would it be ok if I started a fan club? Nortel forever, Dan "Once an idiot but no more" Faulk President of the We like Nortel and think Robert is just wonderful Fan Club PS May I wash your car? End of self-serving message -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Hanley Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RANT Longish, Why Cisco and not ...!!! [7:19933] Chuck & group; So, all this is understood about certs & why, etc...; and anyone who has participated in this list for any length of time has seen the same ground covered as Chuck covered below. I've been following this list and participating as time permitted since about June 1999. So I know the deal. I will continue to seek Cisco certifications for two primary reasons: 1. I may need those credentials if I find myself back out in the larger job market in the future. Especially as a consultant called on both to evaluate existing networks and propose changes or upgrades be they piecemeal or forklifted, but also to write, respond to and review responses to RFPs & RFIs. All this with a view toward providing my client with an end result that best meets their needs. Regardless of what the vendors are pushing. 2. It enhances my credibility in my current role as a Nortel SE with customers when I need to critique Cisco's designs and or proposals, and my ability to understand what they may propose, and why. So there is more to this than knowing commands, though that may be critical if one wants to stay strictly "hands on". There is much more to this business, however; and I think studying the merits and weaknesses of different vendors' gear helps to round us all out, and to provide solutions to problems. Not just the Cisco way, or the Nortel way, or any one vendor's way. But the way that provides the greatest value to our clients and corporations. If we work for Cisco, or Nortel, or any vendor; it gives us an opportunity to understand our strengths and weaknesses and to provide feedback to the people who develop products to make them better. There is always room on this list for people who want to know how to solve a work related problem, or to express political opinions as has been done this past week. I think if people don't want to engage in this type of discussion they should use the Delete Key, not the "this is a Cisco List" crutch; thereby discouraging honest and constructive dialog. If you don't like it don't participate, but don't keep other people from learning something. There have also been occasions when people have asked for help interfacing Nortel and Cisco gear when I have been happy to help and will certainly continue to do so. No matter how misunderstood the gear or my intentions may be. But again, the only reason I gave the URL for the Nortel cert, was because Dan Faulk asked for it. Not that he expected there was any possible answer of any merit, or that he took a look. But maybe someone else did, and maybe it will help them to advance their career. Learning is the progressive discovery of our own ignorance. That doesn't mean we want to find out how ignorant we are. But it may mean that we need to. Go in peace...and keep your head down. "Chuck Larrieu" wrote in message ... >If I may offer, when one reads the title of the certification most of us >have or seek we should remember that it is Cisco certified. the emphasis is >on Cisco. The whole purpose of vendor certification is to provide the vendor >with a large number of people familiar with their product. this gives >potential customers more reason to commit to the vendor in question, knowing >they can easily find qualified people to service the equipment in question. > >Novell certifications served to show clients that if they committed to >Netware, they would be able to hire people qualified to work on Netware >networks. Microsoft certifi
PIX 501 [7:21053]
Any feedback on the 501 yet? Anyone using one? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21053&t=21053 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: seraching for tacacs server [7:20872]
OK let me see if I can say this without being my usual old rude self. Having been in IT longer than I care to admit and knowing that what you say is in many ways correct lets put this in perspective. How can one compare an expert on a relatively specialized product line, Juniper, to one as all encompassing as Cisco's? We all have X amount of time to devote to the learning experience either in a lab, work, or books and I don't think its possible to become a Cisco "expert" due to the incredible range of products and markets involved. Cut that product range down to say strictly one or two markets and then a person has a chance to branch out. Personally I love working with Solaris and W2K and have been doing so since...well a long time ago, but to do so means I have less time to spend on IOS. IMHO Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Young Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: seraching for tacacs server [7:20872] Mike, you are correct about the recent trend on Network Engineering in general and Cisco Engineer in particular. These recent CCIEs know nothing else but Cisco (not that they are expert to begin with). Most don't even know how to write simple shell script on Unix platforms. If this sound like I am bashing Cisco Engineers, I am not but it is just the fact. It just repeats over and over again. On the other hand, I have to say that almost every Juniper Network Certified Internet Expert (JNCIE) engineers that I've met so far not only an expert with Cisco Technolog but these guys can also program (mostly with PERL and shell) in addition to Juniper products (M-series routers). These guys are just a different breed of animals, in a class by themselves. I guess it must be because JUNOS are pretty Unix-oriented. Just my .02c >From: "Mike Sweeney" >Reply-To: "Mike Sweeney" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: seraching for tacacs server [7:20872] >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:12:58 -0400 > >Sean- > >For what it's worth, you nailed it on the head about the old debate of >Wintel and Linux( Unix) I happen to have a small background in Solaris and >over the last few years, it has proven to be invaluable as a network >engineer. Either from understanding how things work to being able to have an >intelligent conversation with the Unix admins. > >A trend I'm starting to see in two different jobs now is that the Cisco >geeks are coming in with ONLY cisco knowledge.. they are clueless about Unix >, windows or anything else on the wire. Needless to say this causes no end >of problems. > >As far as TACACS goes, I went looking last weekend myself for it and >everything pointed to it being deleted from Cisco's web site as an EOL >product. I found a freebie for my linx box at www.tuxfinder.com...even in >the RPM package for us lazy misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21085&t=20872 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AGS+ IOS 11 bridging [7:21515]
Anyone out there done much with bridging serial ports on the AGS? The Cisco documentation says different things on the subject one source says concurrent bridging wont work on this box others make little distinction. I wish to bridge on the 8 serial ports and route on the 12 Ethernet ports. Encap on the serials is not important although I will be passing IP. Cant just try and see on this one as it will determine which cables I purchase for my lab and money is tight. TIA Dan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21515&t=21515 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AGS+ IOS 11 bridging [7:21515]
Yeah this is very perplexing. Here is the bridge AGS config if any would like to offer suggestions. Have tried assigning IP addys to serials no help. Everything works well when routing just cant get these bridges to function. Very simple config: 2501 S1 >AGS S2---AGS S3>3102 S0 interface Serial0 no ip address no ip route-cache clockrate 125000 bridge-group 1 ! interface Serial1 no ip address no ip route-cache clockrate 125000 bridge-group 1 ! interface Serial2 no ip address no ip route-cache clockrate 125000 bridge-group 2 ! interface Serial3 no ip address no ip route-cache clockrate 125000 bridge-group 2 ! bridge crb bridge 1 protocol ieee bridge 2 protocol ieee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MADMAN Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AGS+ IOS 11 bridging [7:21515] Boy, haven't worked on an AGS in 6 years!!! If CRB is simply a software issue than it probably would work but my guess is that there may well be hardware limitions on the AGS, like the inability to do ISL encapsulation on a CAT4000. Dave Dan Faulk wrote: > > Anyone out there done much with bridging serial ports on the AGS? > The Cisco documentation says different things on the subject one source says > concurrent bridging wont work on this box others make little distinction. I > wish to bridge on the 8 serial ports and route on the 12 Ethernet ports. > Encap on the serials is not important although I will be passing IP. Cant > just try and see on this one as it will determine which cables I purchase > for my lab and money is tight. > > TIA > Dan -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 "Emotion should reflect reason not guide it" Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21588&t=21515 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sniffing Packet From the router. [7:21111]
Hey learn something new every day on this list, good info. Could the Y-cable be left in circuit on critical links, with proper precautions of course, yeah I know simpleton question but you never know. I always leave one port open on all my switches just for the sniffer, has made life so much easier and safer too, nice to know the same idea could be used on the WAN also. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trevor J Corness Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sniffing Packet From the router. [7:2] The only other way that I know of to avoid crashing the router, and getting a useful "sniff" of the WAN traffic, is to use a V.35 protocol analyzer, such as the HP Internet Advisor. This is a pricey unit, but if you do this stuff regularly (as my coworkers and I do), it is the easiest, and most presentable way to do this. Note: There is a short disruption of service while inserting and removing the V.35 Y-cable used to do this. Internet Advisor generates some very management-friendly reports, used to present findings to people of a slightly more non-technical background. It also has many VERY powerful features (think: SnifferPro-like GUI). I am sure there are other very similiar products out in the field, I am only explaining what I have used. At the present time, this is only the HP Internet Advisor. Regards, Trevor J Corness, CCNA CCDA JNCIS NNCSS MCSE Radian Communication Services Corporation http://www.radiancorp.com On September 26, 2001 07:20 am, MADMAN wrote: > You can easily hedge your bets against crashing the router by using an > extended access-list with ip packet debuging. > > Dave > > Dennis wrote: > > debug ip packet... use with extreme care, you could crash the router if > > you have lots of traffic... > > > > ""Ken"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone know how I can sniff packet from a router. Or can the > > > router redirect the packet to another Ethernet interface. Like Span > > > port on the switch. I need to capture the packet that is going across > > > the WAN > > > > interface. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Ken Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21722&t=2 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Topic - why would anybody use Amazon? [7:21761]
Hi Chuck Really its simple been using them for years, they have what I want 99% of the time, the reviews are very handy, I think I still own stock, and never had any problems. So be sure to buy ALL your books from Amazon. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Off Topic - why would anybody use Amazon? [7:21761] I continue to be amazed at what Amazon calls "discounts". the last few times I've checked, Bookpool has had the best deals, with book in stock ( some other places claim lower prices, but they always seem to be backordered ) Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21934&t=21761 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: smartforce training [7:21933]
Amen to that. My company bought the MCSE program and it was not only marginal it was dull. For the money they are charging you could outfit a good CCNP lab and several first rate training aids. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Donald B Johnson jr Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: smartforce training [7:21933] Don't do it jenn - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Cribbs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: RE: smartforce training [7:21933] > I received a phone call today from a woman named Sondra Smith who is one of > their reps. She said I have dropped my > name on their site. The website url is http://www.vip.smartcertify.com . > Tfhe phone # she gave me is 1-800-653-4933 > ext 1264. It is expensive but they have a plan that can be financed through > SallyMae Loans which is sort of like a > student college loan that can be repayable after you finish classes and > after they place you in a job. They have 24hr > support for their classes through the format of "chat rooms' that are run by > certified instructors that are certified in > whatever cert you are currently pursuing, so you get instant replies to > questions you might have through the course as > you proceed forward. They send out cd's of the materials pertaining to the > certs the person wants to achieve and they > have job placement in whatever area you live in or where ever you choose to > work. That is all I know at this point. I > talked to this woman for about 1hr on the phone. It is a forced learning > method, which I think is good. You can only > advance through the course with satisfactory completion of each subject. > You can't skip ahead is what I think this > means. She called it force learning. There would be one price for the ccnp > series of classes. You would receive the > material for all four tests at one time. The same for the mcse and the ccna > and the a+. She said they also have oracle > and some other stuff which I wasn't really interested in. > > If you click on the link I gave you, it opens up a box wanting the sales rep > name. Just type in sondra's name and then > you can browse a little on their site. > > I sure there is more to this, but like I said, this is all I know at this > point. It nearly sounded too good to be true and you > know what they say about that. I was just hoping someone had some personal > knowledge of this and could tell me > something also. If I do proceed with this, I will let you know what I think > after I have personal experience of it. > > It also is endorsed by cisco and microsoft.or at least she said so. > > I just finished putting my computer back together so I can browse back to > the site now and read a little. It was > maintenance day[preparing for a+] > > Jenn > > > 10/3/2001 2:44:18 PM, "Stull, Cory" wrote: > > >never heard of it, could you give me some more detail so I can check it out > >also? > > > >thanks > >Cory > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:55 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: smartforce training [7:21933] > > > > > >Hello, > > > >I would like some feedback on smartforce training. Is anyone familiar with > >this? I am thinking about purchasing this > >curriculum and want to know if it is a waste of money or if it is something > >truely beneficial in obtaining your certification? > > > >Thanks, > >Jenn Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=22094&t=21933 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ask for suggestions about network security career [7:23816]
Would be interested in this subject as well. I'm at that point where I could go either way and have concentrated on subjects common to both CCIE R/S and CCIE Security but must commit to one path soon as it may well be I only get one shot at getting this right(for once). Security is pulling a lot of press attention but don't see the corresponding interest in the job market and what I see reflects a a lack of value of the skills(IMHO), course days are lean now and the current situation is volatile so we are looking into the future. R/S is more "fun" and perhaps more flexible but then we are in this for the money in the end. I know it would be great to do both but there are limits on my time and my worn out brain cells. Some help gurus? Fortune tellers? Ms Cleo? Wild as* guesses? All correct answers will receive a lifetime supply of bragging rights. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of swei yang Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ask for suggestions about network security career [7:23816] Just got CCNP last week. Not sure what to do next. I more interested in network security file. Show I go for CCIE or Cisco's security cert. If I really want join in computer/network security fild as my career, what's the best way to achieve it? Thanks for your suggestion. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23828&t=23816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ask for suggestions about network security career [7:23816]
>From what I have read the differences are in that no "Desktop" protocols are tested in the CCIE Security. Strictly IP from what I can tell which in itself is attractive since in 14 years thats all Ive seen on the job. All I wish to see for that matter, since cant see anyone starting up a new house on anything else. There are other differences according to the Blueprint not to mention the possible depth of tested subjects, I was looking for some input from those that are kind enough to share insight from the actual labs, without violating the NDA of course. Of course from those who feel they have some insight on future direction of the biz. Stop me if Im wrong but dont think anyone is suggesting that there are 1700 lab testing slots even avilible in any month, as for the written tests who cares? They just help keep things serious. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don Claybrook Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Ask for suggestions about network security career [7:23816] I'm looking at this issue from the non-CCIE-of-any-sort-as-yet perspective, but doesn't the security CCIE require all of the knowledge of a R/S CCIE, plus the security components? And if so, why not get the R/S CCIE first and then work on the security CCIE? In this way, you could blow right past the 1700 CCIE per month thread posted here recently with the vaunted double-CCIE. Worn out brain cells or not, don't you have to have the knowledge of a Routing & Switching CCIE to be prepared for the Security CCIE? My two cents' worth. Would be interested in this subject as well. I'm at that point where I could go either way and have concentrated on subjects common to both CCIE R/S and CCIE Security but must commit to one path soon as it may well be I only get one shot at getting this right(for once). Security is pulling a lot of press attention but don't see the corresponding interest in the job market and what I see reflects a a lack of value of the skills(IMHO), course days are lean now and the current situation is volatile so we are looking into the future. R/S is more "fun" and perhaps more flexible but then we are in this for the money in the end. I know it would be great to do both but there are limits on my time and my worn out brain cells. Some help gurus? Fortune tellers? Ms Cleo? Wild as* guesses? All correct answers will receive a lifetime supply of bragging rights. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of swei yang Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ask for suggestions about network security career [7:23816] Just got CCNP last week. Not sure what to do next. I more interested in network security file. Show I go for CCIE or Cisco's security cert. If I really want join in computer/network security fild as my career, what's the best way to achieve it? Thanks for your suggestion. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23857&t=23816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Ask for suggestions about network security career [7:23816]
Thanks to those who provided info and links on and "off the list" it really helped. Seems the biggest drawback to the Security route is money. Without corp sponsorship there is no way I can touch the price of the equipment and training needed to become CCIE level proficient in this field. So looks like both are the way to go after all with R/S first (ego check..I hope I can do it) which is really what I wanted in the first place...just never ends does it folks... Thanks Dan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24038&t=23816 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though in the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your skills while this current market continues cause it will get better. Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being trimmed and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but not very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good outlook and dig in, nothing lasts forever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this is a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a good attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe same thing for juniper i guess 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second though . just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24331&t=24297 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
The business cycle demands downturns. They perform the needed function of ridding the economy of businesses that are poorly run or poorly placed in the market. Now to be honest I could have done without this "Widespread" downturn that's hitting so many sectors at once but its here so might as well see the silver lining. Of course we could have done completely without the reason for this current state of affairs but again nothing I can do about it so may as well do our best in the meantime. Things are going to change a lot in the coming months best get ready for whatever may happen but I prefer a good attitude during it all. If you or anyone else wishes to drop the idea of becoming a CCIE that's ok with me too for obvious reasons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297] Excited about an economic downturn, eh? Reminds me of those kids in school who would remind the teacher that she didn't assign any homework. ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though in > the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your > skills while this current market continues cause it will get better. > Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being trimmed > and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but not > very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important > things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good outlook > and dig in, nothing lasts forever. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Chuck Larrieu > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this is > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a good > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > same thing for juniper i guess > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second > though . > just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24363&t=24297 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What do you cats do for motivation? [7:24549]
Good question been mulling it over since 9-11-01. It really hasnt been easy to be honest, but I am ajusting and moving on now. CCIE is a break from the rest of the certs out there, you must really want to do this the rest of your life. Sounds simplistic Im sure but I'm in it for the money only to a certain point after that its just sheer enjoyment. Lots of ways to make money out there, not so many to do what you really enjoy. When I got into this field no one called you a geek they just looked at you with awe, wonder, and a strange puzzled look on their faces but then I'm 6 foot+, 225lbs, ex-football player type. Ahh for the good ole days... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ouellette, Tim Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What do you cats do for motivation? [7:24549] Man O Man. I'm finding it super-tough to stay motivated with all of this super-duper-heavy-geeky CCIE studying that I have to do. How do you guys keep your mind focused and your eyes straight ahead? I find it really easy to answer my phone on a friday night and talk to my buddies, next thing you know i'm at the local pub forgetting my name. I've got soo many books to ready, and soo man labs that I want to do. The light at the end of the tunnel isn't even close to being visable and it's tough. Can anyone help? btw, anyone used any audio tapes/cd's to listen to cisco type stuff during the commute to work? I was thinking about doing something like that but I think hearing my own voice speak would be enough to drive me insane. Any thoughtS? Tim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24570&t=24549 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Definitive source for info on T1 and FT1? [7:24729]
Have a project coming up that involves a lot of the various flavors of T1 WANs, data only, in multiple cities with multiple providers using 2600s. Suggestions as this is only touched on in a lot of texts and Ive got to come up to speed quickly. TIA Dan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24729&t=24729 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wan Bridging and STP Problem [7:25044]
Have an idea to solve a problem at work and would like to see if any of you see a problem with this rather simplistic solution. No routing can occur due to the nature of the traffic. T1s between the 1720s which are configured "no ip routing" and to bridge the traffic from E0 to S0, 1720 a and b to have a higher priority assigned for STP as that is the normally desired path to the remote location. Was going to use HSRP but don't think that works when no ip routing is configured and that protocol leaves something to be desired when dealing with wans. Ideas? _1720a--1720b_ __ 1912| |__1912__ |1720c--1720d_| Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25044&t=25044 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Wan Bridging and STP Problem [7:25044]
Thanks for your input. What it boils down to is this, can BPDUs traverse a T1? If so then then a spanning tree forms from one end to another and it does what I need, if not will have to find another way. This all has to be handled at level 2, the traffic flow consists of frames and multicasts, no packets. no network addressing. It's a propritary industrial application protocol developed back in the mid 1980's that was designed to work only at the frame level. Kinda sucks I know but it pays very well. Cant complain in this economy... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wan Bridging and STP Problem [7:25044] Just because the traffic can't be routed doesn't mean the network can't be. Give this a thought: 1) Create a loopback interface on each router and assign IP addresses to the loopbacks. 2) Give the serial interfaces on the routers IP addresses as well. 3) Build a tunnel using the loopbacks as endpoints 4) Put the tunnel and the ethernet interfaces in the same bridge-group 5) Use floating statics to move the traffic across your preferred link unless the link goes down. This is a pretty generic solution. There may be something better depending on your situation...more details? HTH -B Robert LaGrasse CCIE #5044 (R/S & ISP/Dial) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""Dan Faulk"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Have an idea to solve a problem at work and would like to see if any of you > see a problem with this rather simplistic solution. No routing can occur due > to the nature of the traffic. T1s between the 1720s which are configured "no > ip routing" and to bridge the traffic from E0 to S0, 1720 a and b to have a > higher priority assigned for STP as that is the normally desired path to the > remote location. Was going to use HSRP but don't think that works when no ip > routing is configured and that protocol leaves something to be desired when > dealing with wans. Ideas? > >_1720a--1720b_ > __ 1912| |__1912__ >|1720c--1720d_| Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25137&t=25044 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
