Re: CSS Switches... [7:71292]
Original message Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:14:44 GMT From: John Neiberger Subject: Re: CSS Switches... [7:71292] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Herlocker, Tim 6/24/03 3:03:10 PM Hi, Just wondering if anybody has worked with the CSS 11000 switches at all. We are looking at purchasing one or two but would like to make sure SSL sticky works on them first Thanks in advance! - Tim We've been using them for a few years and haven't had any problems with SSL and stickiness. Your mileage may vary but we've had good luck with them, generally. Regards, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71584t=71292 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blocking Kazaa and the messenger services [7:67025]
You can use the new NBAR Qos tools to identify kazaa and then police it. NBAR is in 12.2, and is used to classify/identify dynamic protocols. Once in a class, you can create a policy map . Something like this class-map match-any mykazza ! fastrack = kazza, morpheus etc. match protocol fasttrack file-transfer * end ! police to 8kbs policy-map squash-kazza class my-kazza police 8000 end int e0/0 service-policy input squash-kazza see http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5012/products_feat ure_guide09186a0080134add.html (if that link doesn't work, try just searching CCO for NBAR Barbu Alexandru wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there! I was wondering whether there are people up there who played a bit with kazaa and come up with a firewall solution for linux.. Someone asked me to help them and they want to implement this firewall on a linux box. Blocking the 1214 port doesn't seem to work at all. I also have to stop all messenger services (MSNMessenger, Yahoo Messenger and so on). Any ideeas? Thanks a lot, Alexandru Barbu __ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=67348t=67025 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: add memory? [7:67206]
try www.kingston.com to find the their part-no for the 1601, and then xref their partno to see what else uses it. I found that old simms from pentium 166/200 machines work fine in a 3620. Lamy Alexandre wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 1601-R router with 8Mb RAM onboard. I tried to add a 8Mb DIMM EDO with the brand Celestica on it, that I found on an hold PC. The memory works in my router. Can it cause any problem if it is not the brand recommended by Cisco? I don't even know if the specifications are the same between my DIMM and Cisco's recommendation. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=67350t=67206 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IOS question [7:67204]
Your milage may vary. Sometime it boots, othertimes it crashes at boot, and other times boots/runs erraticly. Lamy Alexandre wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I have some questions concerning the minimum requirement for IOS. If Cisco presents a miminum required memory for an image, but can it still work if I have less memory? (For example, Microsoft recommends 64Mb to run Windows, but it can work under 32Mb) There is an IOS requiring 40Mb to work, but I have 32Mb. Will my router work? If so, will I be able to install it? It is only useful to practice my certifications. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=67349t=67204 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Cheap Domain Name register? [7:64557]
Any advice on a cheap and good domain name register? I am tired of paying out the nose for register.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=64557t=64557 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Single Point Route Redistribution Question [7:57350]
Meng Lee wrote: I tried searching the archives for some explaination on how route feedbacks occur during redistribution Meng, Route feedback usually occurs in a 2+ points of redistribution scenario. Routes are learned in Protocol A, are injected into Protocol B, are picked up by other Protocol B routers and re-injected back into Protocol A. Needless to say, this causes Protocol A to become very confused. I have never come across a case of single-point redistribution causing feedback. Doyle's got some very good discussion of the topic, but the only way you'll really appreciate how this works is to set up a lab sometime and play. Good Luck! --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57370t=57350 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HSRP VLAN Load Balancing [7:56689]
Dale Kling wrote: Is there another way to do this? Don't know about easier, (haven't had a chance to play with this in the lab yet) but Cisco has recently announced Gateway Load Balancing Protocol, (GLBP) for balancing first-hop gateways. I found a quick white-paper on the topic. Hope it helps give you a quick idea about whether it will fill you needs. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/iosw/prodlit/glbpd_ds.htm --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56808t=56689 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IS-IS White Paper [7:51767]
Some time back, someone offered to send the IS-IS white paper out. Would you send it to me, please? Thanks, -- Wes Knight MCT, MCSE, CCNP, CSS1, CNE, ASE, etc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51767t=51767 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OSPF summarizing BGP redistributed routes into 0/0 [7:49461]
Stephane, You're missing the default-information originate command. 0/0 can not be propagated into OSFP without it. Static, conditional, dynamic, redistributed, it doesn't matter. You need that statement to allow the 0/0 route into OSPF. (No doubt why it's showing up in the database but not in the route-tables - your logic is correct and the route is being summarized, but not allowed in) Read up on the default-information command; it's a neat one. You can do the conditional advertisement you're looking for with this command - and make it very specific using a route-map. Good Luck --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49475t=49461 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OSPF/RIP w/ Summary address. [7:49107]
Timothy Ouellette wrote: What i'm trying to do is get the 141.108.3.0/24 and 141.108.4.0/24 to show up on r2 as rip routes heard from r1. I'm redistributing ospf 1 into rip with a metric of 5. Hi Tim, The short answer to your problem is that you are not actually redistributing between your protocols. The proof is your route table at R2: you said you're redistributing with a metric of 5, but look at the metric on R2, it's 1. Rip will only redistribute routes in (from the same classful network) if they have the same subnet mask. Your OSPF network has no /24 routes, therefore no redistribution. The reason you get the routes when you add a null0 routes to R1 is that your rip network 141.104.0.0 statement picks up the static null0 routes and sends them natively - no resitribution required. (kill your ospf and watch the routes stay in rip) Summary-address only works for routes being distributed *INTO* OSPF, not the other way round. The only places you can summarize a route within OSPF is between areas. Now you can do some funky virtual-link or dual-process summarization, but really that's like hammering the square peg into the round hole. Really, it comes down to whether your network has been designed for proper summarization: this network as it stands can't easily be summarized. If you still want to summarize, I would start thinking about re-architecting to multi-area OSPF, and injecting summaries between the areas. If you make R1 the border between the areas, you should find that the /24 summarized routes which will appear on R1 will flow to R2 just fine. As always, good luck! --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49128t=49107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange 6500/IPX Issue!! HELP!! [7:47951]
Michael, Shot in the dark - I've seen very strange issues like this with trunk mismatches. You've probably got a trunk between the two switches. Make sure your native VLANs match, make sure that every VLAN permitted on the trunk is permitted on both sides. On a similar vein, all trunk ports should have similar characteristics (I go with 100, full, desirable trunking, desirable channeling; regardless, just make sure it's the same both sides) Also, if you've got links bundled, try bringing down one of the links for a bit, then try the other(s). Switches load balance via MACs, if you've got a uni-directional link or something, packets from the same machine will usually transit the same wire every time - physical port/cable problems might appear to be associated with only certain machines because of this. Best guess for now. Good luck! --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47964t=47951 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP exam path question [7:45839]
In article , [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Hi all, Must the exam path for CCNP be Routing, Switching, Remote Access and Support or the exams could be taken in any order? Thanks in advance!! -- Eng. Paulo Roque Network Engineer Cisco Certified Network Associate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any order is fine. -- Wes Knight CCNP, CSS1, MCT, MCSE, CNE, ASE, etc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=45842t=45839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
Just a couple of points: Cisco's sales on a quarterly basis bottomed last july. They have been recovering since. Last quarter they actually beat the sales from the year before. Fical year 02 which ends in july will be down 15% compared to Juniper's 02 ending in dec which will be down 40%. The enterprise market is in much better shape then the sp market. Cisco over paid badly for quite a few of their acquisitions. But they paided for them with stock when it was at a very inflated price. That makes the price they paid not nearly so bad. That they bought companies with products that they really had no place for in their product lines is another issue. What hurts with the two recent Juniper purchases is they were cash/stock transactions with Juniper's stock sitting at very near it's all time low. Juniper re-issued employee stock options last week. It will be interesting to see what effect that has from a stock point of view. As you point out they have the biggest and baddest router out there right now. The company is not going away. But from a shareholder and a job prospect point I think both are going to need patience for another year. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:35:23 -0400 By no means am I a Juniper fanatic (nor am I a Cisco fanatic). But allow me to add some points here. Wes Stevens wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Peter I have been following and trading Juniper stock for years. In the beginning everyone loved it because it was so focused - just high end routers. Two things came together in 2000 to help them grow sales 6x over 1999 one was the massive build out of the telcos and the other was the fact that they had a year lead on cisco for delivering 192 interfaces. Juniper's biggest opening was indeed due to the fact that Cisco was late in delivering its 192 interfaces. But even now that Cisco has its 124xx series out, Juniper's products still enjoy key technical advantages, as detailed in Lightreading and other studies. Perhaps the key advantage is that Cisco's routers (all series) have been notorious for having its performance drop precipitously whenever you turn on a significant number of services, something that does not happen with Juniper. Other advantages include faster BGP convergence and the ability to handle huge BGP route tables, which is important if you want to implement lots of RFC2547 VPN's. Not to mention the bizarre Engine 0/1/2/4 paradigm and of course the sheer brawn of the new Juniper T640 which Cisco will not match anytime soon. That's not to say that Cisco doesn't hold some advantages of its own. For example, Cisco's CoS implementation is more flexible. Cisco has some interesting fault-tolerance features with its DPT technology that Juniper does not have. And of course Cisco enjoys the advantages of being the incumbent, so that means that people are simply more familiar with their gear (but this can be looked at the other way too, as that makes the fact that Juniper has still managed to win significant share even more impressive). In 2001 the telco's started cutting back and juniper sales growth went to up 32 %, but all of it came in the first half. Since mid year last year sales have been dropping qtr over qtr. The biggest reason is the same reason the analysts used to love it - focused only on the high end telco market. Well the telco's are in a world of trouble. They are so deep in dept that most will never climb out. Global xing bit the dust and it looks like wcom may follow. Quest is in deep trouble too. Believe it or not the only hope for a recovery in the next year is that these big guys go chapter 11 and then reorg. All the investors get screwed but their debt goes away and they may have some money to invest again. All of the major telcos cut capex for the rest of this year and next in their first quarter report. Yes it is definitely true that the service-provider market is fuc*ed up now. But that's not to say that Cisco hasn't been hurt by this as well. In fact you may recall that 5 years ago or so Cisco's strategy to unseat the telco vendor incumbents at that time - Nortel, Lucent, Alcatel, Siemens, etc. - was to back New-Economy telcos, and this super-charged Cisco's growth through the late 90's. Now of course these new telcos are mostly dead. Now I do agree completely that Juniper is being hurt proportionately more than Cisco is being hurt by the telco wasteland. But that's not to say that Cisco isn't being hurt at all. Juniper's also has to deal with cisco now as they are going after that same market and have taken share away in the last year. I disagree with this, in this way. Obviously I agree that Cisco has gained overall share for the simple reason that the whole provider subsegment is down. However, if you're talking about
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
nrf, you and Peter both make good points on what is advertized on the job sites may not tell the whole Juniper job story. The supply may well be low enough that there are jobs to be found. Still I would think that there would be some jobs advertized. Even a search on Dice for just Juniper did not turn up much. A few jobs for a C++ person with Juniper skills and a few low level type jobs was all. It really does not matter for most of us as there is no way to get that cert unless you work on Juniper equipment at work. Building your own Juniper lab at home is not realistic. By the way Juniper is looking like they will come in with sales in the $540m range down almost 40% from last year and most analysts are saying carrier spending will not pick up until the second half of 2002. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:26:55 -0400 Inline Wes Stevens wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Peter I have been following and trading Juniper stock for years. In the beginning everyone loved it because it was so focused - just high end routers. Two things came together in 2000 to help them grow sales 6x over 1999 one was the massive build out of the telcos and the other was the fact that they had a year lead on cisco for delivering 192 interfaces. In 2001 the telco's started cutting back and juniper sales growth went to up 32 %, but all of it came in the first half. Since mid year last year sales have been dropping qtr over qtr. The biggest reason is the same reason the analysts used to love it - focused only on the high end telco market. Well the telco's are in a world of trouble. They are so deep in dept that most will never climb out. Global xing bit the dust and it looks like wcom may follow. Quest is in deep trouble too. Believe it or not the only hope for a recovery in the next year is that these big guys go chapter 11 and then reorg. All the investors get screwed but their debt goes away and they may have some money to invest again. All of the major telcos cut capex for the rest of this year and next in their first quarter report. Juniper's also has to deal with cisco now as they are going after that same market and have taken share away in the last year. This will be especially a problem in markets outside the us where cisco already has a presence and juniper does not. The last two purchases by Juniper say the reconize the problem as they are trying to broaden their product line. But they paid too much for Unishere and it will be dilutive this year. The bottom line is that the big telcos are in real trouble and there is still a lot of competition and excess capacity out there. Their capex spending is going to be the last thing to recover and along with it Juniper. Another good indication is in the job market. Go to dice.com or hotjobs and do a search on jncie and ccie and see what you get for both. Oh God, my fingers just got so itchy when you said that. I wrote an entire book about this on this newsgroup just a few months ago (and elicited a firestorm of protest for which I and many other people here still bear the scars). So if you want the entire spiel, go look for some of my old posts in the archives. And I think just heard a big whoosh from the guys who I sparred with in the past are now all collectively slapping shaking their heads because they realize I'm just about to get into it again. Fear not guys, I'll try to make it short as I possibly can, for both your and my sanity. Basically job value has to do with basic economics and how it pertains to the supply and demand of labor. True, there are many less Juniper jobs. So there is less demand On the other hand, there are many many less Juniper-trained people. You can't just look at demand. There's no such thing as a law of demand. There is only the law of supply and demand. You must factor in both supply and demand before you can say whether something is more or less valuable than something else. And from the evidence I've seen, it looks like while the demand for Juniper skills is obviously lower than the demand for Cisco skills, the supply of Juniper skills is proportionately even lower, such that the overall value of Juniper skills is higher. Or I'll put it to you another way. Doctors make more money than cashiers. But why? Clearly there is a greater demand for cashiers than doctors. You mentioned going to public places like the Internet or the newspapers and looking for mentions of JNCIE or CCIE. OK, I can do that for doctors and cashiers and I think we'll both agree that I'm going to find many many more mentions for cashiers than for doctors. Makes sense too. How many times do you seriously injure yourself vs. how many times do you buy something in the store? Right. So since there is clearly more demand for
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
On your point one I agree with you. Especially in a market like we have today companies with positions where they need someone at a jncie level they may not need to look too far to fill their positions. On your second point where would you get a list of the jncie's with names and addresses? Juniper for sure is not going to give them out. Most of them work for Juniper and they are not going to make it any easier then it is to steal them. Juniper is probably like cisco was in the early days. The best way to get a good engineer is to steal them from Juniper. As far a knowing someone that has always been a factor. Peter if you are reading this, when Juniper gets ready to open up a Latin America office I'm your man :) From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:35:39 -0400 My point is simply that it is extremely difficult to extrapolate overall value from demand alone. I see this mistake being made time and time again, and not just with Juniper/Cisco, but also with Windows vs. UNIX, or things like that. Besides, I would also add 2 points to the equation: #1) The problem with looking just a job boards to gauge demand. The simple fact is, most jobs are not publicly advertised. Surely you've seen the studies from CNN that have shown that 90% of all available jobs are never publicly posted, and are obtained just by knowing the right people and employee referrals.Companies seem to prefer things this way because it is a better quality-check than soliciting a mass of resumes (i.e., an employee is unlikely to refer somebody that he knows to be bad because if that guy is hired and flames out, that employee would be professionally embarrassed). How this impacts something like Juniper (or UNIX or whatever) is that it seems that the high-end jobs are more likely to not be publicly posted because it seems that the more high-end and important the job (and on average, a Juniper job tends to be higher-end than the average Cisco job), the more quality-checks you need. I believe this is why you hardly ever see public postings for positions like CEO, even though I know that many companies are looking for one. #2) The warping of small numbers. This is somewhat related to point #1. What this is all about is that when the numbers of available candidates are small, it is often inefficient to publicly post a job for them, rather a company who wants one should just individually contact each available candidate, depending on how many there really are. For example, let's say your local NFL team loses its quarterback in mid-season to a season-ending injury and decides they need a replacement to make a playoff run. Are they going to advertise it on Monster? No, of course not. The head coach knows full well that there are only a handful of available guys in the world who could reasonably step in and lead their team, and the coach probably already knows them by name and how to contact them. There's no need to publicly advertise a job when you already know who the prospective candidates are. This might apply to the JNCIE. I don't know if it does, but it might. Consider this. There are only 65 of them. Within a day or two of investigating, I could probably find out all their names and contact info, because there really aren't that many of them. So would I really need to publicly advertise my job? Maybe, maybe not. I think only when the numbers get large do the benefits of publicly posting become apparent. Wes Stevens wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... nrf, you and Peter both make good points on what is advertized on the job sites may not tell the whole Juniper job story. The supply may well be low enough that there are jobs to be found. Still I would think that there would be some jobs advertized. Even a search on Dice for just Juniper did not turn up much. A few jobs for a C++ person with Juniper skills and a few low level type jobs was all. It really does not matter for most of us as there is no way to get that cert unless you work on Juniper equipment at work. Building your own Juniper lab at home is not realistic. By the way Juniper is looking like they will come in with sales in the $540m range down almost 40% from last year and most analysts are saying carrier spending will not pick up until the second half of 2002. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:26:55 -0400 Inline Wes Stevens wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Peter I have been following and trading Juniper stock for years. In the beginning everyone loved it because it was so focused - just high end routers. Two things came together in 2000 to help them grow sales 6x over 1999 one was t
Re: Basic ISDN BRI config needed [7:45416]
Your dialer sting needs to be the phone number of the other teletone port. For the first router it should be 8358662 and 8358661 for the second router. From: cebuano Reply-To: cebuano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Basic ISDN BRI config needed [7:45416] Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:32:23 -0400 Hi, group. I've been trying to get my ISDN working using Teltone ILS-2000. Here's my config and some basic show output. Please tell me what I'm missing. I tried doing the most basic BRI config using HDLC as pointed out in Caslow, but even that did not work. Basically it seems to bring up the link for a few seconds and even bri 0 1 will show as UP/UP but I am not getting any ping replies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Elmer 2503#ping 172.16.1.2 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.16.1.2, timeout is 2 seconds: . Success rate is 0 percent (0/5) 2503# 04:00:33: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0:1, changed state to up 04:00:53: %ISDN-6-DISCONNECT: Interface BRI0:1 disconnected from 2002 , call lasted 20 seconds 04:00:53: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0:1, changed state to down 2503# isdn switch-type basic-ni ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0 dialer idle-timeout 90 dialer string 2002 dialer load-threshold 1 outbound dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-ni isdn spid1 0835866101 8358661 isdn spid2 0835866301 8358663 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit 2503#sh isdn stat Global ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni ISDN BRI0 interface dsl 0, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni Layer 1 Status: ACTIVE Layer 2 Status: TEI = 74, Ces = 1, SAPI = 0, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED TEI = 75, Ces = 2, SAPI = 0, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED TEI 74, ces = 1, state = 5(init) spid1 configured, spid1 sent, spid1 valid Endpoint ID Info: epsf = 0, usid = 1, tid = 1 TEI 75, ces = 2, state = 5(init) spid2 configured, spid2 sent, spid2 valid Endpoint ID Info: epsf = 0, usid = 3, tid = 1 Layer 3 Status: 0 Active Layer 3 Call(s) Active dsl 0 CCBs = 0 The Free Channel Mask: 0x8003 Total Allocated ISDN CCBs = 0 2503#sh dialer BRI0 - dialer type = ISDN Dial String Successes FailuresLast DNIS Last status 2002 7 000:07:11 successful Default 0 incoming call(s) have been screened. 0 incoming call(s) rejected for callback. BRI0:1 - dialer type = ISDN Idle timer (90 secs), Fast idle timer (20 secs) Wait for carrier (30 secs), Re-enable (15 secs) Dialer state is idle BRI0:2 - dialer type = ISDN Idle timer (90 secs), Fast idle timer (20 secs) Wait for carrier (30 secs), Re-enable (15 secs) Dialer state is idle 2503#sh int bri0 BRI0 is up, line protocol is up (spoofing) Hardware is BRI Internet address is 172.16.1.1/24 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 64 Kbit, DLY 2 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set Last input 00:00:03, output 00:00:04, output hang never Last clearing of show interface counters 00:27:32 Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0 Queueing strategy: weighted fair Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops) Conversations 0/1/16 (active/max active/max total) Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated) Available Bandwidth 48 kilobits/sec 5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec 138 packets input, 799 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 5 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort 155 packets output, 846 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out 2 carrier transitions 2516# isdn switch-type basic-ni ! interface BRI0 ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0 dialer idle-timeout 90 dialer string 2001 dialer load-threshold 1 outbound dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-ni isdn spid1 0835866201 8358662 isdn spid2 0835866401 8358664 cdapi buffers regular 0 cdapi buffers raw 0 cdapi buffers large 0 ! ip kerberos source-interface any ip classless ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit 2516#sh isdn stat Global ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni ISDN BRI0 interface dsl 0, interface ISDN Switchtype = basic-ni Layer 1 Status: ACTIVE Layer 2 Status: TEI = 72, Ces = 1, SAPI = 0, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED TEI = 73, Ces = 2, SAPI = 0, State = MULTIPLE_FRAME_ESTABLISHED TEI 72, ces = 1, state = 5(init) spid1 configured, spid1 sent, spid1 valid Endpoint ID Info: epsf = 0, usid
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
Peter I have been following and trading Juniper stock for years. In the beginning everyone loved it because it was so focused - just high end routers. Two things came together in 2000 to help them grow sales 6x over 1999 one was the massive build out of the telcos and the other was the fact that they had a year lead on cisco for delivering 192 interfaces. In 2001 the telco's started cutting back and juniper sales growth went to up 32 %, but all of it came in the first half. Since mid year last year sales have been dropping qtr over qtr. The biggest reason is the same reason the analysts used to love it - focused only on the high end telco market. Well the telco's are in a world of trouble. They are so deep in dept that most will never climb out. Global xing bit the dust and it looks like wcom may follow. Quest is in deep trouble too. Believe it or not the only hope for a recovery in the next year is that these big guys go chapter 11 and then reorg. All the investors get screwed but their debt goes away and they may have some money to invest again. All of the major telcos cut capex for the rest of this year and next in their first quarter report. Juniper's also has to deal with cisco now as they are going after that same market and have taken share away in the last year. This will be especially a problem in markets outside the us where cisco already has a presence and juniper does not. The last two purchases by Juniper say the reconize the problem as they are trying to broaden their product line. But they paid too much for Unishere and it will be dilutive this year. The bottom line is that the big telcos are in real trouble and there is still a lot of competition and excess capacity out there. Their capex spending is going to be the last thing to recover and along with it Juniper. Another good indication is in the job market. Go to dice.com or hotjobs and do a search on jncie and ccie and see what you get for both. From: Peter van Oene Reply-To: Peter van Oene To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:43:09 -0400 What leads you to believe that they will be at the tail end of the recovery? At 09:04 PM 5/27/2002 -0400, Wes Stevens wrote: Jenny I assume you are talking about Juniper. I really don't know anything about their cert. The company I know pretty well. I would not want to be looking for a job in this market place with only Juniper experience. Juniper will not go away for sure, but they will be at the tail end of the recovery at best. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:15:12 -0400 A CCIE is still the highest networking cert and the only one that is not a paper cert. I'll save nrf the trouble of saying this. Highest networking cert? Arguable. Depends how you define highest. But it's certainly not a totally unreasonable claim. Only one that is not a paper cert? Hardly. Try doing a little more research. However, if you substitute Cisco for networking in your original sentence, it looks far more accurate. Cisco is not the only player, or even the only significant player, in the networking game. JMcL - Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 28/05/2002 08:39 am - Wes Stevens Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/05/2002 11:40 pm Please respond to Wes Stevens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Is this part of a business decision process?: If you look at Cisco over the last 18 months compared to it's competitors it has done well. It's sales have dropped much less then most other networking companies and they have actually gained market share in all major areas. The major telco's built out way too fast and the growth did not come like they expected. But on the enterprise side companies took it a lot slower. This economy is starting a slow recovery. Next year things will pick up. It will never be like 1999 as you say, but we will get back to the point where there will be plenty of jobs. A CCIE is still the highest networking cert and the only one that is not a paper cert. We have seen a lot more numbers comming out these days, but Cisco doubled the number of lab seats in San Jose and RTP back in March. Add to that the one day lab and Sat and Sun testing and there are a lot more people taking the test. Cisco keeps track of the passing percent and will adjust the challenge of the lab if necessary. The other thing is we probably will see major changes in the lab before the end of the year. When they get rid of token ring who knows what goodies they will replace it with. It will take a while for the boot
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
If you look at Cisco over the last 18 months compared to it's competitors it has done well. It's sales have dropped much less then most other networking companies and they have actually gained market share in all major areas. The major telco's built out way too fast and the growth did not come like they expected. But on the enterprise side companies took it a lot slower. This economy is starting a slow recovery. Next year things will pick up. It will never be like 1999 as you say, but we will get back to the point where there will be plenty of jobs. A CCIE is still the highest networking cert and the only one that is not a paper cert. We have seen a lot more numbers comming out these days, but Cisco doubled the number of lab seats in San Jose and RTP back in March. Add to that the one day lab and Sat and Sun testing and there are a lot more people taking the test. Cisco keeps track of the passing percent and will adjust the challenge of the lab if necessary. The other thing is we probably will see major changes in the lab before the end of the year. When they get rid of token ring who knows what goodies they will replace it with. It will take a while for the boot camps to adjust their programs to the new topics and the candidates that take the self study route will be searching for ways to cover the new material. There will be a big slow down for a while at that point. I guess my point is I do not see the value of the CCIE going the way of the microsoft certs. Thing will get better next year and the demand for CCIE's will raise. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:08:19 -0400 Gaz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think that depends on the individual company. Our company currently has 6 CCIE's. I was dissuaded from going for CCIE by my company. The reason, although they haven't stated it in so many words is that they would just about double my pay from CCNP, but I would bring them very little more income. They would prefer me to go off and do something else that they can charge for, like security. I've not heard of any companies asking for CCIE security (yet). A senior engineer with security accreditations is almost as sellable to most companies and far cheaper to feed and water. For a lot of jobs, the same is true for Routing/Switching. Every job our company sends a CCIE to that could have been a Senior Engineer, they've lost a bit off their profit margin, and in the current climate where perhaps the jobs aren't rolling in quite so fast, there are obviously greater losses having CCIE's sat around on quiet days. CCIE is still the target I believe, but not everybody needs them at the moment. In 6/12 months if things pick up they may be pushing the CCIE again. I believe that Cisco's hiccup last year is the only thing that has devalued the CCIE. As Cisco gradually recovers, so will the CCIEprobably. Well, I think that's true. But on the other hand, I think the glory days of the CCIE are over. Let's face it. We just went through a massive network buildout orgy that will probably never be repeated again in out lifetime. Several positive factors went just right - the Y2K overhaul, the advent of Netscape and the accompanying introduction of the Internet to the masses, and the fears of old-school companies of getting 'Amazon-ed'. To think that these kinds of factors will come together again anytime soon is wishful thinking. So while yes, I agree that Cisco and the CCIE will probably get better, if you think we're going to have 1999 all over again, you're just deluding yourself. The world has changed, and people will simply have to admit that when it comes to the value of tech skills, Cisco's best days are in its past, and people should be looking at other skills if they want to remain on the forefront of what is considered valuable. Gaz Kris Keen wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Your the 1st person I've heard say the CCIE isnt worth much anymore.. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=45134t=40261 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
Jenny I assume you are talking about Juniper. I really don't know anything about their cert. The company I know pretty well. I would not want to be looking for a job in this market place with only Juniper experience. Juniper will not go away for sure, but they will be at the tail end of the recovery at best. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:15:12 -0400 A CCIE is still the highest networking cert and the only one that is not a paper cert. I'll save nrf the trouble of saying this. Highest networking cert? Arguable. Depends how you define highest. But it's certainly not a totally unreasonable claim. Only one that is not a paper cert? Hardly. Try doing a little more research. However, if you substitute Cisco for networking in your original sentence, it looks far more accurate. Cisco is not the only player, or even the only significant player, in the networking game. JMcL - Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 28/05/2002 08:39 am - Wes Stevens Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27/05/2002 11:40 pm Please respond to Wes Stevens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Is this part of a business decision process?: If you look at Cisco over the last 18 months compared to it's competitors it has done well. It's sales have dropped much less then most other networking companies and they have actually gained market share in all major areas. The major telco's built out way too fast and the growth did not come like they expected. But on the enterprise side companies took it a lot slower. This economy is starting a slow recovery. Next year things will pick up. It will never be like 1999 as you say, but we will get back to the point where there will be plenty of jobs. A CCIE is still the highest networking cert and the only one that is not a paper cert. We have seen a lot more numbers comming out these days, but Cisco doubled the number of lab seats in San Jose and RTP back in March. Add to that the one day lab and Sat and Sun testing and there are a lot more people taking the test. Cisco keeps track of the passing percent and will adjust the challenge of the lab if necessary. The other thing is we probably will see major changes in the lab before the end of the year. When they get rid of token ring who knows what goodies they will replace it with. It will take a while for the boot camps to adjust their programs to the new topics and the candidates that take the self study route will be searching for ways to cover the new material. There will be a big slow down for a while at that point. I guess my point is I do not see the value of the CCIE going the way of the microsoft certs. Thing will get better next year and the demand for CCIE's will raise. [snipped] Important: This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is confidential, commercially valuable or subject to legal or parliamentary privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, re-transmission, disclosure, use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited by several Commonwealth Acts of Parliament. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=45172t=40261 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Wanted. [7:44940]
You may as well quit posting this and wasting our time and yours. No one who has their ccie is going to go to India and get paided local wages in local currency. Offer US wages in dollars and you may get a few bites. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Wanted. [7:44940] Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 06:34:17 -0400 Hi. Re-posting this mail as the number of responses were a few. Forward this mail to your friends. Network Solutions Ltd, a Bangalore based company is looking for CCIEs. Visit www.netsol.co.in for more info on the company. We are among the Top Network Integrators in the Country moving towards the No.1 Spot. The Positions will be out of Bangalore, Mumbai and New Delhi. Interested Candidates willing to relocate to India may apply. Compensation will be on par/better-than with what the industry in India Pays. We pay in INR only. Thanks. Sunil Satyanathan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44990t=44940 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Transcender Avaiable[tran1@post.com] [7:43923]
Fred, If you are really going to buy boot leg software from this low life, it might be better to not to copy the list and tell the world about it. From: FREDL L AZARES Reply-To: FREDL L AZARES To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Transcender Avaiable[[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [7:43923] Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:15:12 -0400 I am interested in Cisco 640-506 SupportCert 1.0 CIW 1D0-420 DesignerCert 1.0 Microsoft 70-016 C#63527;#43959;#61662;#45643; 6.0 Microsoft 70-015 C#63527;#43959;#61666;#45786;#57966;#60254; 6.0 Microsoft 70-228 SQL-AdminCert 2000 Microsoft 70-028 SQL-AdminCert 7.0 Microsoft 70-019 SQL-DataCert 7.0 Microsoft 70-229 SQL-DesignCert 2000 Microsoft 70-029 SQL-DesignCert 7.0 Oracle 1Z0-031 DBCert/Fundamentals I 9.0 Oracle 1Z0-032 DBCert/Fundamentals II 9.0 Oracle 1Z0-007 DBCert/SQL 9.0 FRED On Sat, 11 May 2002 01:03:17 -0400 tran1 t writes: hi i have the following transcender,troytech,ucertify,cheetsheet,boson,learnkey if you need it mail me [EMAIL PROTECTED] company exam no: product name Cisco 640-507 AssociateCert 2.0 Cisco 640-505 RemoteAccessCert 1.0 Cisco 640-503 RoutingCert 1.0 Cisco 640-506 SupportCert 1.0 Cisco 640-504 SwitchingCert 1.0 CIW 1D0-420 DesignerCert 1.0 CIW 1D0-425 E-DesignerCert 1.0 CIW 1D0-410 FoundationsCert 1.0 CompTIA 220-221 A#2698;#56841;#60141; 2.0 CompTIA 220-222 ACert 2.0 CompTIA IK0-001 i-Net#2538; 1.0 CompTIA XK0-001 Linux#2538; 1.0 CompTIA N10-002 Network#2538; 2.0 CompTIA SK0-001 Server#2538; 1.0 Microsoft 70-016 C#63527;#43959;#61662;#45643; 6.0 Microsoft 70-015 C#63527;#43959;#61666;#45786;#57966;#60254; 6.0 Microsoft 70-057 CommerceCert 3.0 Microsoft 70-152 DevCert 6.0 Microsoft 70-217 DirectoryCert/Admin 2000 Microsoft 70-219 DirectoryCert/Design 2000 Microsoft 70-081 ExchangeCert 5.5a Microsoft 70-224 ExchangeCert/Admin 2000 Microsoft 70-225 ExchangeCert/Design 2000 Microsoft 70-080 ExplorerCert 5.0 Microsoft 70-227 ISA-Cert 1.0 Microsoft 70-244 MaintainCert 4.0 Microsoft 70-218 ManageCert 2000 5.0 Microsoft 70-222 MigrateCert 2000 Microsoft 70-216 NetCert/Admin 2000 Microsoft 70-221 NetCert/Design 2000 Microsoft 70-210 ProCert 2000 Microsoft 70-270 ProCert 6.0 for Windows XP Microsoft 70-088 ProxyCert 2.0a Microsoft 70-220 SecurityCert 2000 Microsoft 70-215 ServerCert 2000 Microsoft 70-056 SiteCert 3.0 Microsoft 70-086 SMS-Cert 2.0 Microsoft 70-100 SolutionCert 3.0 Microsoft 70-228 SQL-AdminCert 2000 Microsoft 70-028 SQL-AdminCert 7.0 Microsoft 70-019 SQL-DataCert 7.0 Microsoft 70-229 SQL-DesignCert 2000 Microsoft 70-029 SQL-DesignCert 7.0 Microsoft 70-176 VB-Cert/Desktop 6.0 Microsoft 70-175 VB-Cert/Distributed 6.0 Microsoft 70-091 VBA-Cert 6.0 Microsoft 70-098 Win98Cert 5.0 Novell 50-653 NWCert/Admin 5.1 Novell 50-654 NWCert/Advanced 5.1 Novell 50-659 NWCert/Design 5.1 Novell 50-658 NWCert/Support 5.1 Novell 50-649 NWCert/TCP/IP 5.0 Novell 50-632 NWCert/Tech 5.1 Oracle 1Z0-031 DBCert/Fundamentals I 9.0 Oracle 1Z0-032 DBCert/Fundamentals II 9.0 Oracle 1Z0-007 DBCert/SQL 9.0 Sun 310-011 SolCert/Admin I 8.0 lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43937t=43923 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Layer 2 Test Tool [7:43484]
Best I can think of is tools to manufacture layer 2 frames. Arp poison tools are an excellent example - though perhaps not perfect because you are not running IP - regardless, an arp-poison tool will kick out frames with MAC headers you specify. Additionally, any raw-packet-write tool should allow you to manufacture appropriate frames with the necessary L2 headers. I don't think you will get an echo back, but if you put a sniffer on the far segment, you should be able to determine whether your manufactured frames make it to the other side. Good luck! --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43533t=43484 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dynamic Routing on Firewalls - ZebOS [7:43373]
Why don't you run BGP through the firewall? Firewalls are generally supposed to be transparent devices - why would you want to make it participate in routing? Just stick a router behind it and have it pass BGP through. No fuss, no muss, any vendor will work. Just my first take on the issue... --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43393t=43373 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP Security Specialization [7:43422]
In article , [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Can anyone tell me what exam I need to pass to receive my CCNP Security Specialization? The Cisco website lists this as a possibility but I can't seem to find how to obtain this. Thanks in advance for your help. Look here http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/cqs/security -- Wes Knight CCNP, CSS1, MCT, MCSE, CNE, PSI, ASE, etc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43431t=43422 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cheap terminal server? [7:42536]
Another option is a CS-508. It is an old model Cisco terminal server with 8 lines. I have a CS-516 and it works fine as a terminal server. You can find them on ebay in the $200 range for the 8 port. From: Patrick Ramsey Reply-To: Patrick Ramsey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheap terminal server? [7:42536] Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:29:13 -0400 here comes the link http://www.lantronix.com/ there goes the link -Patrick Craig Columbus 04/25/02 09:37AM Can anyone recommend a cheap terminal server, used only for reverse telnet remote management? I only need three lines and I don't want to spend the cash on a 2509. Anyone like the STS10x? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Craig Confidentiality Disclaimer This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential and /or proprietary information in the possession of WellStar Health System, Inc. (WellStar) and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom addressed. This email may contain information that is held to be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized access, dissemination, distribution or copying of any information from this email is strictly prohibited, and may subject you to criminal and/or civil liability. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and then delete this email and its attachments from your computer. Thank you. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42558t=42536 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need Information About Cable purchase [7:42378]
Just buy a single db60 dte to db60 dce cable: www.kg2.com From: Justin M. Clark Reply-To: Justin M. Clark To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need Information About Cable purchase [7:42378] Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:14:56 -0400 I have 2 cisco 2501 routers and just purchased another one. The first routers came with a serial cable, (DB-60, i think) I need to order another 2-3 ft serial cable to connect my new router to the first. Does anyone have any idea where a good place to purchase this is. I've found a couple places and they get pretty pricey. Thanks, Justin _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42396t=42378 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Simulator [7:41896]
I think you will find that renting real isdn lines will end up being much more expensive. You will really need at least 4 months of time to prep. Even if you use only one line it is going to cost you $240 and then you will not be able to simulate ppp mulitlink. If you look at what the simulators are going for on ebay they hold their value very well. I have seen people sell slimlines used for more then you are selling them new. They rarely go for less then $100 off of the new price. If a person is patient you can find an older merge for around $1000 on ebay every now and then. Also you need to look everywhere on the internet. I found a teltone isl-2000 at a used test vendor for a very good price a while back. From: CiscoB Reply-To: CiscoB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN Simulator [7:41896] Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:04:46 -0400 Stephen, You could try and find a used Simline2, or you could purchase a couple of ISDN lines and have them installed in your home. Probably cost you $60/mo or so for two lines, or you could go with one line for $30 or so and break out the B channels (although you wont be able to do multilink if you go that route). thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Stephen C wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ok, I give up. I am tired of being unable to simulate ISDN on my rack. Been having to go over to the school to do labs and that is hit or miss on a person with keys. I would love to buy an Adtran Atlas 550 as configured by Cisco for the Academies, who wouldn't. But the money tree just can't grow it that fast and even thirteen bills (SlimLine 2) is a bit steep for the ol wallet. What is the shoe string option or is there? Stephen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41940t=41896 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss with the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid off at 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up there in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a job. I work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back from 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My boss and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the company as they are cutting back everywhere. Just some food for thought. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 Drew wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sean Knox wrote: I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, I am content with that for now and and getting more experience (fortunately I am not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this awhile). Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you luck. I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks. I had planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't work enough with Cisco products on a daily basis, and certainly not with routing in a complex way, to feel that I would deserve the cert, even if I attained it. I'm going back to school for my MS in CS, starting classes in June. I think in the long run, an advanced degree is more of a benefit than an advanced vendor cert. But thats just me. Exactly. Especially later in your life. Fiddling with Cisco boxes might be cool now, but do you still want to be doing that when you're 50? Probably not, you probably want to be sitting in a director's chair ordering other young guys to set up the systems. It's hard to win promotion to that chair without an advanced education. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41865t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
I guess my point is that you will eventually hit a point in your career where you have to decide if you want to stay technical or go into management. For everyone it is different. For me it was a no brainer - I hated the paperwork and budgets ect. But another thing to keep in mind is like you said where do you want to be when your are 50. For me middle management is the pits. I have seen people come to work here and get their MBA degree from U of M at night paid for by the company. Did it hurt their careers? No for sure not. But did they ever make it out of middle management - no. Maybe other companies are different but to make it here you have to have to pedigree comming out of school i.e. stick it out for an MBA and it better be from a top tier (and no U of M is not on the list) school. If not you will never see an upper management position. From: Kaminski, Shawn G Reply-To: Kaminski, Shawn G To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:39:39 -0400 Many of you may have seen this, but it looks like this guy has got it all!! :-) He has a little bit to say about graduate school and the CCIE. Basically, interesting reading. Click here (watch for word wrap) http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/spotlight.html Shawn K. -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, a CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want out of life. However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company that is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to take it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees as you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. Wes Stevens wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss with the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid off at 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up there in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a job. I work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back from 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My boss and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the company as they are cutting back everywhere. Just some food for thought. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 Drew wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sean Knox wrote: I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, I am content with that for now and and getting more experience (fortunately I am not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this awhile). Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you luck. I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks. I had planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't work enough with Cisco products on a daily basis, and certainly not with routing in a complex way, to feel that I would deserve the cert, even if I attained it. I'm going back to school for my MS in CS, starting classes in June. I think in the long run, an advanced degree is more of a benefit than an advanced vendor cert. But thats just me. Exactly. Especially later in your life. Fiddling with Cisco boxes might be cool now, but do you still want to be doing that when you're 50? Probably not, you probably want to be sitting in a director's chair ordering other young guys to set up the systems. It's hard to win promotion to that chair without an advanced education. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41888t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much for a Lab? [7:41874]
The best way to find out what it is worth is to go to ebay and search in the cisco area: http://listings.ebay.com/aw/plistings/list/category11185/index.html Then on the left side click on completed items to show what has already sold. This will give you a good idea of how much each piece of gear is worth. Ball park for what you have listed is $4000 to $4200. From: Nomadic Ping Reply-To: Nomadic Ping To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How much for a Lab? [7:41874] Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:37:27 -0400 guys, quick question, how much would you expect to pay for the following kit? 1) cisco 3512xl switch with 2 GBICs 2) 2x2513 16flash 16 Ram 3) 3x2501 8MB Flash 16 MB Ram 4) 1603 with 8MB flash 6MB Ram + 1 serial wic card 5) 2610 16MB Flash 48MB Ram+ 2 serial Wic Cards + 4 port serial NM-4A/S 6) 3 dce cables 5 dte cables + some ethernet cables Any rough estimate most appreciated _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41877t=41874 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WANTED!! MCS-7822/ COMPAQ DL320 [7:41630]
Be careful with that auction on ebay. That is not a legal call manager. The guy just took a regular compaq server and loaded up the cisco software on it. You will never be able to get support for it or put it on maintenance. You may as well buy a compaq server yourself and download the software from cisco the same as he did and save $1000. From: Magichut Reply-To: Magichut To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WANTED!! MCS-7822/ COMPAQ DL320 [7:41630] Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:10:37 -0400 Here you go, get it quick, and I get to borrow it next... :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2016448146 George Siaw wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Guys, I urgently need to buy a secondhand callmanager kit and just wondering if any of you have one to sell or point me in the right direction. Thanks - George. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41673t=41630 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE lab test schedule [7:41300]
There are lots of seats available for the rest of this month and a few in early may in rtp. Usually as the one month deadline comes up people who are not quite ready start to cancel. So if you are going to be ready before oct, just plan to take the test and keep watching. About a month before you want to take the lab dates should free up. From: Kane, Christopher A. Reply-To: Kane, Christopher A. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE lab test schedule [7:41300] Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:49:54 -0400 Does anyone know why there is no available lab test between June and September? Will the lab be closed for three months? Ruihai I was curious about that too. I just scheduled mine and ended up in October. -chris _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41364t=41300 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How fast do bits travel ? [7:41192]
In article , [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Ok I have spent ages trying to find an answer to this question, and probably only added to my confusion. You know how it is you spend ages looking at something and become snow blind or get tunnel vision or whatever, but I cannot see the answer to the following: How far does a bit travel in say 1 second or put another way how long does a bit take to travel a certain distance ? I understand, or think I do that if the line is say 128kbps then I can, in theory at least, expect 128,000 (approx) bits start down that line every second. But how long do they take to reach the other end, assuming a point to point link and both ends being the same speed, obviously. There has to be a nice simple formula for this somewhere, you know the sort of thing x= line speed, y = distance z = time etc Any ideas or poitners would be appreciated Thanks It depends on the medium used. The rough calculation for the propagation of an electromagnetic signal in wire is 66% of the speed of light in a vacuum. Or 186000 x 2/3 = 124000 miles/sec. Measurement on Cat5 are very close to this number. Coax is different. More on the order of 55% of the speed of light in a vacuum. If you are very interested in this, check out xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0201053 -- Wes Knight MCT, MCSE, CNE, CCNP, ASE, etc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41197t=41192 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How fast do bits travel ? [7:41192]
Not totally true. I will have to look up the formula but there is one for computing delay on a line and it does come into play. I have a large voice network to latin america. You are right the each router adds a chunk - about 20 ms of delay if they are not overloaded, but a line down to Argentina adds almost as much and that is if it is fiber all the way. When you start looking at voice budgets you have to take line delay into account. From: sam sneed Reply-To: sam sneed To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How fast do bits travel ? [7:41192] Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:35:02 -0400 The speed the bits travel should be negligible in comparison with the time it takes the intermediate(routers, switch,...) and end nodes to receive/process the signal. So if you're curious for computational purposes it wouldn;t matter. Electricty in a vacuum travels at light speed. I'm not sure the effect a copper medium would have. It would probably be less due to interference and other electromagnetic influeneces. sam sneed Matthew Tayler wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ok I have spent ages trying to find an answer to this question, and probably only added to my confusion. You know how it is you spend ages looking at something and become snow blind or get tunnel vision or whatever, but I cannot see the answer to the following: How far does a bit travel in say 1 second or put another way how long does a bit take to travel a certain distance ? I understand, or think I do that if the line is say 128kbps then I can, in theory at least, expect 128,000 (approx) bits start down that line every second. But how long do they take to reach the other end, assuming a point to point link and both ends being the same speed, obviously. There has to be a nice simple formula for this somewhere, you know the sort of thing x= line speed, y = distance z = time etc Any ideas or poitners would be appreciated Thanks _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41248t=41192 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Broadcast [7:41019]
I've seen this when Windows has a mis-configured subnet mask. Remember, Windows defaults to 255.255.0.0 for a 172.16.x.x address, and many network admins forget and/or don't know to change it. Windows sends all sorts of broadcast stuff, and it'll all be sent to 172.16.255.255 if the mask is mis-configured. (I found this out while troubleshooting why an ISDN line kept dialing - the router was routing all 172.16.255.255 packets to the 172.16.0.0/16 floating static because there was no 172.16.255.0/24 network, and the floating static was the longest match... Turned out to be mis-configured masks on random systems.) Good luck. --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=41091t=41019 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Core layer question [7:40535]
I am a long ways from being up to speed on ids, but I would think that the server block is where you would need the ids blades. Your most suspect traffic is what is comming off the internet and going to your users. If you put the ids in the server block and dmz you will never see most of that traffic. From: Larry Letterman Reply-To: Larry Letterman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Core layer question [7:40535] Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:53:02 -0500 If you have redundant 6509 chassis with a sup in each, a 2nd sup in each one is not necessary. Its nice to have, but an added expense. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Core layer question [7:40535] Has anyone ever designed a network and put either a firewall or IDS blade in the core switch block? Even if the customer had no money, wouldn't this never be advisable? Has anyone ever done it? As background for the questions, I started a new job, and so I took over some accounts, and who ever has been doing the configs ( I think some have been comming from Cisco!) has been making mistakes here and there. One proposal had a 500 phone IP Tel network running over Cat. 3 wiring, and this one has a wan block going back to the core block (dual 6506's) with only 1 sup in each and an IDS blade in each! Isn't it advisable to move the IDS's to the server and DMZ blocks? Also, isn't it always advisable to go with 2 sups? I just want to make sure I'm not crazy, as I'd not like to casue a ton of waves my first week on the job. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=40544t=40535 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261]
Steven, I don't see any big change here. Gold partners still have to have 4 ccie's and silver have to have 2. What changes is the chanel manager refering too that make having ccie's less of a priority for a cisco partner? From: Steven A. Ridder Reply-To: Steven A. Ridder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I approach the company about my CCIE [7:40261] Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:01:18 -0500 -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com LU wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... but the Cisco channel manager today told me that no one cares about CCIE's anymore, especially with the point structure Cisco has now for partnership. What is the point structure? http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/765/partner_programs/certification/requir ements.shtml Thanks LU _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=40322t=40261 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what does 0 in 0Xnnnn mean? [7:40372]
We need to find an old ibm'er for that answer I think. I know that 0x has been used on ibm systems since before cisco made it's first router. From: Priscilla Oppenheimer Reply-To: Priscilla Oppenheimer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what does 0 in 0X mean? [7:40372] Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:22:17 -0500 I think editors like to thrown in leading zeros. For example, you will notice that they never let you get away with saying something like .534. It has to be 0.534. Supposedly that's easier to read. I didn't know octal was 0d. I bet they had to do that because of the other rule that you have to start with 0. 0o or 0O would be too hard to parse if they were to use o or O for octal. ;-) Priscilla At 04:40 PM 4/3/02, John Neiberger wrote: I think the question is what does the '0' specifically refer to? We know that 0x indicates hex, but I'm guessing he's asking why we don't simply use x instead of 0x, or d for octal instead of 0d. Speaking of that, why is octal 0d? I'd think that 'd' should mean decimal. John Persio Pucci 4/3/02 2:16:55 PM That indicates that the notation in use is hexadecimal for the registry number i.e. 0x2102 set the registry bits to 110010 Persio - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Reed To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: what does 0 in 0X mean? [7:40372] Here s a good question an intern asked me and I couldn t even make-up an answer I was working with him showing how to recover a password and we were changing the confreg setting. He asked what the leading 0 before the X represented. I m not sure any help from the group is appreciated. Jeffrey Reed Classic Networking, Inc. Cell 717-805-5536 Office 717-737-8586 FAX 717-737-0290 Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=40408t=40372 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SYBEX SIMULATORS [7:39505]
In article , [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on the following simulation/training programs from Sybex. Usefulness, worth the money spent, etc. Am considering purchasing. I appreciate your comments, and thanks in advance !! CCNP Complete Virtual Trainer CCNP: Remote Access Virtual Trainer CCNP: Routing Virtual Trainer CCNP: Support Virtual Trainer CCNP: Switching Virtual Trainer Jasper == Jasper Solt MCSE MCT CCNA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == I've used the Complete Virtual Trainer for CCNA classes when I'm teaching out of the country and can't get my equipment shipped in. It good, but it is a sim, so it's not 100% the same. -- Wes Knight CCNP, MCT, MCSE, CNE, PSI, ASE, etc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=40179t=39505 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095]
Chris, Ignore the MS bashers. There is at least a statement of direction that they will work with MS active directory. I don't know how far along it is. The idea is that when a user logs in the switch will setup the vlan on the port from the users active directory profile. For companies with users on MS platforms (and there are a few out there) this will have some big advantages. Vlan setup will get much easier and vlans will be much more secure. Can any Cisco people out there give us an idea on how far away this is? From: Wow Reply-To: Wow To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Devices in MS Active Directory [7:40095] Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:29:27 -0500 brilliant Patrick Ramsey wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Do you really want to trust the management of your core equipment to anything microsoft puts out? Mann, Chris 04/01/02 04:05PM Can Cisco routers and switches be managed at all from with Microsoft Active Directory, or some Active Directory snap-in? I tried looking on CCO and Microsoft.com but did not see too much on how the two of them interact, if at all. Thanks, Chris _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=40251t=40095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's a good, cheap ATM router? [7:39390]
There are no cheap atm routers. What I have in my lab is a 7505 with a vip2-40 and a pa-a1-oc3mm for one router and a 7010 with a cx-aip-sm for the second router. The 7010 does not run 12.1 ios and the commands are a little different then the 7500 with the 12.1 ios - but it was a lot cheaper. One side with the correct ios I figured was enough. Your other options are a 4500 but the atm interface for that runs $900. I felt for a couple of dollars more a 7500 was a better investment. When I get done with my rs lab it will run ids code for the security lab. Another option is a 3600 but the atm card is hard to find and even more expensive. From: Jeffrey Hall Reply-To: Jeffrey Hall To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What's a good, cheap ATM router? [7:39390] Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:00:59 -0500 Hey all. I've just gotten a Vivid Newbridge CS1000, which came recommended by one of the more active list members. My question is this: what is the cheapest router/ATM module combo I can get to master ATM? Thanks in advance. Jeff _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=39472t=39390 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATM switch for CCIE [7:38903]
I am looking for a ATM switch, other than LS1010 or LS100 as mentioned by some of you earlier, is there any cheaper solution? Say, would other brand of ATM switch would do the same thing since I understand you don't need to config ATM switch in lab exam anyway? thanks... I have a Newbridge Vivid switch for my lab. I paid $200 for it. It does all I need - both pvc's and svc's. I have heard people use baynetworks centillion switches also. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38973t=38903 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Default Weight in BGP [7:38191]
Weight, like all BGP attributes, is present for EVERY route in the BGP table. So, if the route is sourced from another router, it will need to be assigned a weight. The assigned weight will be 0. (Weight has local-significance only, and is not transited) So, routes sourced locally will have a local weight of 32k. Routes sourced remotely will have a weight of 0. Using route-maps, you can adjust these weights if needed. As to why it's 32k, I assume it has something to do with the fact that the BGP table is de-coupled from the routing table, and ensuring that routers advertize themselves as the best-path as oposed to chosing another BGP route as best. However, this is off the top of my head, I'm sure Halabi or Doyle would have more on this in their books. --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38274t=38191 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Last question on OSPF point-to-multi nonbroadcast [7:38189]
It's point-to-multipoint without automatic neighbor discovery. All the advantages of P2M, with the added control of manually specifying your neighbors. I don't usually use it - but it's another tool in the shed, just in case... --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38275t=38189 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: speaking of PIX clones [7:36593]
Suspect that is just a vender doing anything that they can to make a sale. Cisco has had a reputation of playing the game fair. When the market started to get flooded last year with used gear their tactic was to give good trade in's to try and keep as much off the used market as possible - a very fair tactic IMO. Also the people who are buying used pix's on Ebay are not really hurting Cisco sales much. If they were not buying the pix at a used price they would probably be buying a Sonicwall or some other less expensive firewall. In that way it is a win for Cisco. Like you say they are not msft. That is why I don't think they would be too happy with Jason Sullivan's post about legal action. From: Mike Sweeney Reply-To: Mike Sweeney To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: speaking of PIX clones [7:36593] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:38:51 -0500 I just heard from a friend that a SonicWall rep was saying(dont you love 5th hand news) that Cisco is planning to crack down on PIXes being resold on Ebay by killing any and all support for them. No smartnet, no software, no activation keys etc.. I personally think it is a bunch of hooyie.. The number of PIX units being sold 2nd hand on Ebay is a grain of sand compared to national/world sales of new units and to expend that much effort, ill will and bad karma really doesnt strike me as the cisco way of doing business. MS maybe.. but not cisco. Am I off base here? even if it's a bunch of crap, it makes for some interesting thoughts.. whats next? no support for used routers? switches ? talk about killing the goose that lays golden eggs.. MikeS _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36621t=36593 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36626]
Scott, use other then intended Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as an upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for a CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. They have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that case would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and I don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any way. Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on ebay that is a whole different story. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:33 -0500 I believe that would be a use other than intended Cisco is a little lax in enforcing software licenses... Lots of people resell routers with IOS installed (not supposed to). Lots of people download feature sets they don't have licenses for (not supposed to). There have actually been some cases where Cisco's gone after people (typically larger companies). But it's a WHOLE different thing to BUILD a device and put their software on it... If I were to build my own router (god only knows why), and put their software on it, I would fully expect to hear from Cisco. Worse, if I were to sell it on EBay, that's just asking for trouble. And before you comment, yes, PIX clones HAVE been sold on Ebay from not-so-bright individuals. Where do you draw the line? Lots of people drive fast. It's still illegal. If you do it enough, and publically flaunt it, chances are you'll get pulled over sometime. Go figure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wes Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Is this pirating software? Cisco sells this board with the software installed in it. This is no different then buying any other router on on Ebay and using it without putting it on smartnet. Are you going to take legal action against all of those people also? From: Jason Sullivan To: Wes Stevens Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:14:50 -0700 First give me a break it was just an observation. Second, pirating software is illegal. Read the disclaimer out on CCO. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? J From: Jason Sullivan Reply-To: Jason Sullivan To: Athony Jones , , Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:58:32 -0700 You should take the 400 you spent and buy a 501. I promise it will be less than your legal fees if Cisco were to get involved. Jason Sullivan Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office (801)270-6732 Pager (800)365-4578 --- - --- Welcome to the Internet, Transportation provided by Cisco Systems --- - --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Athony Jones Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Hi Everyone, After struggling for the past two days, I have successfully cloned a Pix firewall by using my PC. I plug the 16MB flash card into the PC's ISA slot and the PC recognize that it is a Pix flash card (cost me $400.00). It boots up fine and everything seems to be in order. However, after the boot up sequence, it asks me for the activation key. I've been trying many different possible scenarios without much success. I even tried to use the activation key from another Pix firewall but that doesn't work either. Anybody know how I can fake my clone Pix with a fake activation key? By the way,I am running Pix OS code version 6.1(2). I even tried 5.3(1), 5.3(2), 6.0(1) and 6.1(1) and one of them works. By the way, the PC has 128MB of RAM and a 16Mb Flash ISA card. I tried to clone a Pix520. Please help. Jason __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com __ To unsubscribe from
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36630]
In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three interfaces is beyond my reach. So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I merely said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco people were at. As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You don't see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of this is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't historically been a problem. *shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think it is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another person for study purposes only or whatever... Control gets lost after that. And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg card anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the price-point! Scott -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Scott, use other then intended Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as an upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for a CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. They have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that case would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and I don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any way. Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on ebay that is a whole different story. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:33 -0500 I believe that would be a use other than intended Cisco is a little lax in enforcing software licenses... Lots of people resell routers with IOS installed (not supposed to). Lots of people download feature sets they don't have licenses for (not supposed to). There have actually been some cases where Cisco's gone after people (typically larger companies). But it's a WHOLE different thing to BUILD a device and put their software on it... If I were to build my own router (god only knows why), and put their software on it, I would fully expect to hear from Cisco. Worse, if I were to sell it on EBay, that's just asking for trouble. And before you comment, yes, PIX clones HAVE been sold on Ebay from not-so-bright individuals. Where do you draw the line? Lots of people drive fast. It's still illegal. If you do it enough, and publically flaunt it, chances are you'll get pulled over sometime. Go figure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wes Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Is this pirating software? Cisco sells this board with the software installed in it. This is no different then buying any other router on on Ebay and using it without putting it on smartnet. Are you going to take legal action against all of those people also? From: Jason Sullivan To: Wes Stevens Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:14:50 -0700 First give me a break it was just an observation. Second, pirating software is illegal. Read the disclaimer out on CCO. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? J From: Jason Sullivan Reply-To: Jason Sullivan To: Athony Jones , , Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:58:32 -0700 You should take the 400 you spent and buy a 501. I promise it will be less than your legal fees if Cisco were to get involved. Jason Sullivan Systems Engineer [EMAIL
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
Scott, Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: Scott Morris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two 501's and two of something higher? By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three interfaces is beyond my reach. So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I merely said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco people were at. As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You don't see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of this is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't historically been a problem. *shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think it is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another person for study purposes only or whatever... Control gets lost after that. And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg card anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the price-point! Scott -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Scott, use other then intended Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as an upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for a CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. They have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that case would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and I don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any way. Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on ebay that is a whole different story. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:33 -0500 I believe that would be a use other than intended Cisco is a little lax in enforcing software licenses... Lots of people resell routers with IOS installed (not supposed to). Lots of people download feature sets they don't have licenses for (not supposed to). There have actually been some cases where Cisco's gone after people (typically larger companies). But it's a WHOLE different thing to BUILD a device and put their software on it... If I were to build my own router (god only knows why), and put their software on it, I would fully expect to hear from Cisco. Worse, if I were to sell it on EBay, that's just asking for trouble. And before you comment, yes, PIX clones HAVE been sold on Ebay from not-so-bright individuals. Where do you draw the line? Lots of people drive fast. It's still illegal. If you do it enough
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
No we were talking about the legality of using the pix flash board in a pc in a home lab. Cisco cannot tell me what to do with the hardware I purchase. As far as the software in the flash if it is bought on ebay it is not legal to use it. But my point is that is the same on any software in flash on any used Cisco device. If the flash card is bought new through Cisco or a distributor it is not clear that using it in a non Cisco pix is illegal. As for the person selling the homemade pix on ebay he also is doing nothing illegal as long as all he is selling is hardware. Just as with any Cisco used device it is the responsibility of the buyer to make the software that will be used on the device legal. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' CC: Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:24:20 -0500 That was STILL not the conversation we were having... It doesn't have to do with purchasing a router or a firewall and being technically licensed to use the code or not... It has to do with purchasing a small PIECE of the router or firewall, using it to build something NEW that most definitely is NOT a Cisco box, and then either talking about it publically and/or selling it. THAT is the conversation we were having. I don't think anyone cares that someone has a bunch of Mercedes hood ornaments at their home. If they go out and purchase a cheap car and stick the Mercedes hood ornament on it, some people may think it's funny, others not. If the person then tried to tell everyone about their new Mercedes or worse yet, tried to SELL their Mercedes THAT is a problem. Anyway... Enough bantering on this and going nowhere... I have work to do. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Scott, I am not trying to have this degrade into personal territory , truly not my intent. If you have purchased smartnet for your equipment I applaud that. I can tell you for sure that were I work that is also true. But for my home lab which was all purchased from ebay I have not. I would venture to say that the majority of home labs have not purchased smartnet contracts. Many people seem to feel that it is un ethical to use code in a pix board purchased on ebay but do not have the same problem with the code that comes in flash on router or switches purchased on ebay. To me they are the same thing. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' CC: Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:47 -0500 If it's any consolation, yes. And also upgraded one of them after purchase (2meg to 16meg). That, however, is not the conversation So apparantly we have no degraded into personal territory instead of a vaguely educational conversation. So, go do what you want, because my opinion isn't going to change yours anyway. Just remember that speeders get pulled over every once and a while... And people honk and wave and laugh as they pass you just like you passed them earlier. *shrug* Scott -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Scott, Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: Scott Morris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two 501's and two of something higher? By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36646]
Jason, I know that the software is not transferable. My point is that buying a pix flash card on ebay and using the code in it is no worse then buying a router and using the code in it's flash. There are on any given day 65 pages of cisco gear out on ebay not to mention all the other resellers. Legal action would not be an effect way to handle the issue. The key on the pix install is for des functionality and I suspect was put in for export control reasons. But a similar structure would be needed to do any type of software control. Cisco must feel that the advantages of smartnet bring in a high enough percentage of the used routers to make the added headaches of software keys not justified. Another question - If pix flash card is bought new through a cisco distributor and put into a pc instead of a pix, what is the policy? From: Jason Sullivan To: Wes Stevens Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:56:10 -0700 Actually if you buy a router on E-bay you don't own the software and it is illegal. Software Transfer and Licensing Overview Like many high-tech companies that produce software, Cisco adopts a policy of non-transferability of its software in order to protect its intellectual property rights. What this means in practice is that owners of Cisco products are only allowed to transfer, re-sell or re-lease used Cisco hardware and not the embedded software that runs on the hardware. This policy also applies to Cisco standalone software applications. You can find this doc at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/csc/refurb_equipment/swlicense.html Jason Sullivan Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office (801)270-6732 Pager (800)365-4578 --- Welcome to the Internet, Transportation provided by Cisco Systems --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wes Stevens Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Is this pirating software? Cisco sells this board with the software installed in it. This is no different then buying any other router on on Ebay and using it without putting it on smartnet. Are you going to take legal action against all of those people also? From: Jason Sullivan To: Wes Stevens Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:14:50 -0700 First give me a break it was just an observation. Second, pirating software is illegal. Read the disclaimer out on CCO. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? J From: Jason Sullivan Reply-To: Jason Sullivan To: Athony Jones , , Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:58:32 -0700 You should take the 400 you spent and buy a 501. I promise it will be less than your legal fees if Cisco were to get involved. Jason Sullivan Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office (801)270-6732 Pager (800)365-4578 --- - --- Welcome to the Internet, Transportation provided by Cisco Systems --- - --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Athony Jones Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Hi Everyone, After struggling for the past two days, I have successfully cloned a Pix firewall by using my PC. I plug the 16MB flash card into the PC's ISA slot and the PC recognize that it is a Pix flash card (cost me $400.00). It boots up fine and everything seems to be in order. However, after the boot up sequence, it asks me for the activation key. I've been trying many different possible scenarios without much success. I even tried to use the activation key from another Pix firewall but that doesn't work either. Anybody know how I can fake my clone Pix with a fake activation key? By the way,I am running Pix OS code version 6.1(2). I even tried 5.3(1), 5.3(2), 6.0(1) and 6.1(1) and one of them works. By the way, the PC has 128MB of RAM and a 16Mb Flash ISA card. I tried to clone a Pix520. Please help. Jason __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
Scott, I am not trying to have this degrade into personal territory , truly not my intent. If you have purchased smartnet for your equipment I applaud that. I can tell you for sure that were I work that is also true. But for my home lab which was all purchased from ebay I have not. I would venture to say that the majority of home labs have not purchased smartnet contracts. Many people seem to feel that it is un ethical to use code in a pix board purchased on ebay but do not have the same problem with the code that comes in flash on router or switches purchased on ebay. To me they are the same thing. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' CC: Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:47 -0500 If it's any consolation, yes. And also upgraded one of them after purchase (2meg to 16meg). That, however, is not the conversation So apparantly we have no degraded into personal territory instead of a vaguely educational conversation. So, go do what you want, because my opinion isn't going to change yours anyway. Just remember that speeders get pulled over every once and a while... And people honk and wave and laugh as they pass you just like you passed them earlier. *shrug* Scott -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Scott, Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. From: Scott Morris Reply-To: Scott Morris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two 501's and two of something higher? By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three interfaces is beyond my reach. So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? From: Scott Morris Reply-To: To: 'Wes Stevens' Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I merely said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco people were at. As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You don't see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of this is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't historically been a problem. *shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think it is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another person for study purposes only or whatever... Control gets lost after that. And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg card anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the price-point! Scott -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? Scott, use other then intended Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as an upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for a CCIE
RE: SNMP Vulnerabilities [7:35954]
Author: Kevin Pan () Date: 02-20-02 09:56 Has anyone heard about the captioned problem on Cisco devices? Please comment. Rgds, Kevin Yes, many Cisco devices affected. However, it looks like you can only cause the device to reset. Software fixes being published now. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-malformed-snmp-msgs-pub.shtml I'm not sure how critical a vulnerability it is, but regardless, check out the security advisory and adjust your security stance accordingly. --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=35958t=35954 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]
I would say $50-60K. I am currently studying for the CCIE written and I have no on the job experience. The only experience I have is in the classroom, but I passed my tests on the first try. I would expect someone to hire a CCIE with no experience, but at a reduced salary compared to others with experience. WES Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=33939t=33899 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899]
I am just working my way up until a company hires me, so I can get experience. There are not many jobs in OK. Wes Updike, CCNP, CCDA, MCSE NDCHEALTH 918-481-2818 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Brant Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:03 PM To: Wes Updike; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] And so sounds the death knell for good salaries for CCIE's with actual work experience... oy... - Original Message - From: Wes Updike To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: RE: CCIE starting pay [7:33899] I would say $50-60K. I am currently studying for the CCIE written and I have no on the job experience. The only experience I have is in the classroom, but I passed my tests on the first try. I would expect someone to hire a CCIE with no experience, but at a reduced salary compared to others with experience. WES Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=33953t=33899 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: RE: CCIE preparation [7:31305]
Hi Dennis, Just a couple of comments on your lab equipment. Instead of a 2511 you might consider a CS-516. It is a 2511 without the two serial ports. They go for around $300 on ebay. On the voice you might consider a 3810 instead of adding voice to the 2600. The VCM for the 2600 is expensive. You need one on the 3810 also but there are usually quit a few for sale on ebay with this and the fxs ports installed in the $500 to $600 range. Programing the voice on them is the same as a 2600. I also bought a couple without voice for $300 each instead of the 2501's. They have a much faster processor. Thanks for all your help Wes Stevens From: Kaminski, Shawn G Reply-To: Kaminski, Shawn G To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE preparation [7:31305] Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:16:40 -0500 Dennis, What a nice and helpful write-up! Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: CCIE preparation [7:31305] Just yesturday I was putting something together for someone who used my boson to pass the written. Most of it is just some of the common wisdom from the history of this group. Here's what I had, and I welcome feedback (and good hearted abuse) from the group... my first draft follows -- Read um and Weep Here's the short list of books I would recommend to read (at a minimum) during your lab preparation. Find yourself a shady spot outside, and crack the spine of each of these page-turners, it's the only chance you'll have to see the sun for a few months: 7 Cisco Certification: Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs, Second Edition by Andrew Bruce Caslow 7 Internet Routing Architectures, Second Edition by Bassam Halabi 7 CCIE Prof. Development Routing TCP/IP Volumes I II, Jeff Doyle 7 Cisco LAN Switching (CCIE professional development) 7 Cisco Catalyst LAN Switching by Louis R Rossi, Louis D. Rossi, Thomas Rossi 7 Configuring Cisco Routers for bridging, DLSW+, Desktop Protocols by Tan Nam-Kee 7 My own lab prep book, once I finish writing it (look for it sometime in 2003)... J Building your own Pod: One of the most important elements of your CCIE lab preparation is having equipment to practice on. My advice would be put together a home pod watching every dollar very carefully, and then sell it on ebay when you're done. If you do everything right, your practice time should only cost you the interest on your credit card, and the depreciation in the value of the equipment. What follows is a list of what I think has the makings of a great CCIE Lab practice pod: 7 One Cisco 2511 router to use as a terminal server. A 2509 would work fine if you have one, but trust me, before long you'll need the extra ports. 7 A router with multiple Serial ports to use as a Frame Relay switch. Cisco 2522's are popular for this, although in my own lab I use a 2610 with an 8-port serial module. 7 Two Cisco 2503's. 7 One Cisco 2504 (for the FatKid labs). 7 Four or five more Cisco 2500 series routers with a selection of Serial, Ethernet and Token Ring ports, (I love 2513's, because they have all three). 7 One ISDN emulator. 7 One Cat2924XL or Cat5k Switch. 7 One Cisco 3620 or 2620 with at least one Fast Ethernet port and a pair of FXS ports for VoIP. 7 Two CAB-OCTAL-ASYNC. These 8-lead octal cables (68 pin to 8 male RJ-45s) are used with the terminal server 7 One MAU. 7 Lots of DTE/DCE serial cables, AUI adapters, patch cables, and crossover cables. * Please note that all 2500 series routers should have 16 Megs of memory, 16 Megs of Flash and be loaded with an Enterprise Version of 12.1 IOS appropriate to its physical configuration. The only things missing from the list above is ATM and a Token Ring switch. I consider ATM just too darn expensive for a home pod, and a 3920 is hard to get, expensive, and easy to configure. For both these technologies, I would recommend renting some on-line lab time. OK, The Equipment Looks Good on the Rack, Now What? You'll also need practice labs to run on your routers. Here's a list of lab materials I think are useful, in order of complexity (easiest to hardest): 7 Cisco CCIE Lab Study Guide, Second Edition by Stephen Hutnik and Michael Satterlee 7 www.FatKid.com (these have the added advantage of being free) 7 www.solutionlabs.com 7 www.IPExpert.net 7 ccbootcmp Advice on Preparation: Know the CD. When you're in the lab, this will be one of your few friends. Know where the command reference are, and most importantly, know where the sample configurations are. Think how much time you can save if you cut-and-paste samples from the CD into your configurations. Print out and keep posted on the wall a copy of the exam blueprint. This should be a constant reminder of what you know, and what's left to figure out. Avoid
RE: CDP Duplex Message [7:31284]
I've seen this occur on when a Cisco switch is connected to another with a non-Cisco switch in the middle in the following manner: CISCOhalf-duplexNONCISCOfull-duplexCISCO CDP messages are not recognized by the non-Cisco switch, and are passed through unchanged. Each Cisco switch legitimately sets it's CDP duplex setting; however when they pass through the non-Cisco switch, the far-side Cisco switch is given the appearance of a duplex mismatch. Assuming there is no real duplex mismatch, you can try one of the following: -Disable CDP -Change the logging levels In both cases, check CCO for details. (CCO Logging Explained:) http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_5_4/config/logging.htm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=31288t=31284 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCO CD's [7:27701]
There was a bug on some CD's that affected advanced users. If you choose a custom install, you need to have a check-mark in all boxes. (ie. you need to choose to install everything on the CD) Once the install process begins, you can cancel out of installing any product you don't want. However, if those boxes aren't all checked, you get blank or garbled screens when you try to use the CD. I never knew why, and it seems to me this only occured on NT and 2000 machines, but it happened like clockwork to guys who didn't click every box. Checking them all fixed things every time I saw. Good luck, and if all else fails, and if you haven't broken your router too badly, connect to CCO instead. --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27724t=27701 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dial in [7:27703]
You've probably gone through all this step by step right? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/mod-aux-exec.html It's the best help I've got... --Wes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=27726t=27703 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT:FOR Routing experts:Plz help!!! [7:18370]
Yes, you do have to love redistribution... I see a lot has been fired around on this question already, so if the following has already been tried, my apologies. It seems to me that the redistribution could be tweaked in the following ways: 1) When redistributing OSPF routes, ALWAYS add the subnets keyword, or else redistribution will only pick up the major network and not subnets of it. 2) OSPF summary-addresses only work WITHIN OSPF. This is NOT like the BGP aggregate-address command which allows you to summarize outbound to another AS. Summary-address only sends summaries to other interior OSPF neighbors. In other words, if you want to redistribute summaries into IGRP, you have to have the summary generated somewhere else and sent to OSPF neighbor ISDN2. Hope this gets things back on track. And if all else fails, track down a copy of Jeff Doyle's Routing TCP/IP vol 1. It covers all this type of stuff in exquisit and easily-digestible detail. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=18423t=18370 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
