RE: CCDP requirements: pointless to do CID if you don' [7:72027]

2003-07-08 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
MCMORDIE Shane (BMB) wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm aiming at CCDP but I don't have BCRAN.   Am I correct in
> thinking
> that there is no point in me registering for CID before
> registration
> finally ends on July 25th - because to go this route to CCDP,
> BCRAN is
> also needed - but is no longer available?

BCRAN is still available. It's still required for CCNP so it has to be
available. More here:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan/programs/ccnp.html

The real question is can you get CCDP without BCRAN even during this
transition period? At some point BCRAN won't be required for CCDP. Has that
started already? I think it has. You better ask Cisco and/or check your
progress on the tracking system to be sure, though.

Good luck!

Priscilla


> 
> Therefore better for me to forget CID and go straight to ARCH?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Shane
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RE: CCDP requirements: pointless to do CID if you don't already [7:72032]

2003-07-08 Thread George Murage
Hi,

You do not need BCRAN to be CCNP. Just BSCI, Switching and CID.

I am also trying to beat the 25th July deadline!

Please see:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le2/le37/le5/learning_certification_
type_home.html


Thanks and regards
George Murage


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Hi,

I'm aiming at CCDP but I don't have BCRAN.   Am I correct in thinking
that there is no point in me registering for CID before registration
finally ends on July 25th - because to go this route to CCDP, BCRAN is
also needed - but is no longer available?

Therefore better for me to forget CID and go straight to ARCH?

Thanks,

Shane


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CCDP requirements: pointless to do CID if you don't already [7:72027]

2003-07-08 Thread MCMORDIE Shane (BMB)
Hi,

I'm aiming at CCDP but I don't have BCRAN.   Am I correct in thinking
that there is no point in me registering for CID before registration
finally ends on July 25th - because to go this route to CCDP, BCRAN is
also needed - but is no longer available?

Therefore better for me to forget CID and go straight to ARCH?

Thanks,

Shane


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Re: CCDP Recert - Interesting [7:71857]

2003-07-04 Thread annlee
the
CCDP if I have just completed the CCNP recert exam?  or do i have to do the
CCDP recert exam to recert CCDP?"


When I look at the CCDP page on CCO

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le2/le37/le5/learning_certification_type_home.html

I see changes. First, CCDP requires CCNA and CCDA plus only 3 exams: BSCI,
Switching/BCMSN Beta, and CID (no Remote Access exam). The recert exam,
640-529, states: CCDP certifications are valid for three years.
(Recertifying at the Professional level automatically renews the related
CCDA certification.) When you follow the link for this exam, you may note
that it takes material from 3 CCNP exams (Routing, switching, and Remote
Access) and the CID. The CCNP recert, on the other hand, draws from all 4
CCNP exams.

I would email Cisco certification and get an official answer. They could go
either way, given what's in the CCNP recertification exam.

Annlee


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> Hi,
>
> I think you will have to do the CCDP recert exam :)
>
> What does the CCDP certification requirement state?
>
> Tricky here; I think if you do the CID exam, it will just be an isolated
> test - but confirm at the Cisco site.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Mwalie




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Re: CCDP Recert - Interesting [7:71857]

2003-07-03 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Amazing wrote:
> 
> thanks for the info.
> 
> do you know if it is possible to just re-take the CID test to
> recert the
> CCDP if I have just completed the CCNP recert exam?  or do i
> have to do the
> CCDP recert exam to recert CCDP?

I tried to do that the other way around. In other words I recertified as
CCDP and just wanted to take Support and be recertified as CCNP. Cisco said
no, as did the tracking system. Check the tracking system for your case, but
I bet you have to take the CCDP recert. It sounds like it's been updated!
That's good. When I took it it was obviously ancient, with no IS-IS, for
example.

Priscilla


> ""Hemingway""  wrote in
> message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Being paranoid about what topics of conversation are
> permissible, let me
> > just say that the blueprint is certainly worth reviewing. The
> test itself
> > covered quite a bit of material from I would call the CCNP
> track -
> routing,
> > switching, etc, along with the thingsd I remember from the
> CID test a few
> > years ago. Makes sense in one way, in that the DP itself, if
> starting from
> > scratch, consist of all the NP tests plus the CID.
> >
> > Not much else to say, other than to ridicule the grammatical
> errors (
> tense
> > and case that did not match ) on some questions, and to
> scratch my head
> > about what question was really being asked on a significant
> number of
> > questions.
> >
> > back to being a lab rat.
> 
> 




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Re: CCDP Recert - Interesting [7:71857]

2003-07-03 Thread Mwalie W
Hi,

I think you will have to do the CCDP recert exam :)

What does the CCDP certification requirement state?

Tricky here; I think if you do the CID exam, it will just be an isolated
test - but confirm at the Cisco site.

Good Luck.

Mwalie


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Re: CCDP Recert - Interesting [7:71857]

2003-07-03 Thread Amazing
thanks for the info.

do you know if it is possible to just re-take the CID test to recert the
CCDP if I have just completed the CCNP recert exam?  or do i have to do the
CCDP recert exam to recert CCDP?
""Hemingway""  wrote in message
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> Being paranoid about what topics of conversation are permissible, let me
> just say that the blueprint is certainly worth reviewing. The test itself
> covered quite a bit of material from I would call the CCNP track -
routing,
> switching, etc, along with the thingsd I remember from the CID test a few
> years ago. Makes sense in one way, in that the DP itself, if starting from
> scratch, consist of all the NP tests plus the CID.
>
> Not much else to say, other than to ridicule the grammatical errors (
tense
> and case that did not match ) on some questions, and to scratch my head
> about what question was really being asked on a significant number of
> questions.
>
> back to being a lab rat.




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CCDP Recert - Interesting [7:71857]

2003-07-03 Thread Hemingway
Being paranoid about what topics of conversation are permissible, let me
just say that the blueprint is certainly worth reviewing. The test itself
covered quite a bit of material from I would call the CCNP track - routing,
switching, etc, along with the thingsd I remember from the CID test a few
years ago. Makes sense in one way, in that the DP itself, if starting from
scratch, consist of all the NP tests plus the CID.

Not much else to say, other than to ridicule the grammatical errors ( tense
and case that did not match ) on some questions, and to scratch my head
about what question was really being asked on a significant number of
questions.

back to being a lab rat.




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RE: CCDA & CCDP [7:70637]

2003-06-16 Thread BJ Rice
Go to Ciscopress.com and do a search on the test numbers.  Cisco Press books
are sometimes difficult to read, but this is where you can get the most
pertinent information and is usually what the test is based upon.


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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-13 Thread Kevin Wigle
Just to update this thread with my CCDP recert story.

Today I surprisingly passed the exam.  I scheduled the exam as a "recce" (to
just see it) and guage where I was for further study.

I had gone once through the Boson CCDP practice but I felt I needed to see
the real thing since I had problems with the CCNP recert.

So what I'm saying is that without much specific CCDP study, I passed with
829, pass is 768.  With more study a higher mark probably could have been
had - but, it's over now!

Most of the previous comments on the exam are accurate except Priscilla
mentioned that there wasn't any BGP.  I had at least 6 BGP questions - which
wasn't a problem with my study from the CCNP recert.

The material is OLD.  Many design ideas would not be considered today.

Anyway, I'm good for both CCNP/CCDP for another 3 years.

Kevin Wigle

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]


> jeff sicuranza wrote:
> >
> > There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably
> > from one of old questions from the routing pool.
>
> I think the AppleTalk questions (if you get any) in the CCNP recert are
from
> the Support exam which hasn't been updated much.
>
> > As for the 700
> > series nothing like that on the NP recert. The NP recert exam
> > is one of the more updated newer exams with ios simulation for
> > hands on testing.
> >
> > It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.
>
> Indeed, the CCDP recert exam is ancient, making you wonder what the point
> is. It can't be to show that the candidate is keeping up with new stuff!?
> ;-) I almost wonder if it's some sort of mistake.
>
> CCNP isn't quite so ancient, except for the BCRAN part which is still
> ancient. I did get some 700 questions. But Routing and Switching were
> updated and did give Cisco proof that I was keeping up with new Cisco
> requirements. Routing included BGP and IS-IS, for example, which weren't
on
> the test 3 years ago.
>
> One would think it would be easy to use the same pool of questions for
CCDP,
> but they don't. No BGP or IS-IS for example. SNA and StrataCom though! Oh
> boy! :-)
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >
> > Good luck..




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CCDA & CCDP [7:70637]

2003-06-13 Thread Duncan Wallace
Hello all - I am thinking about adding the CCDA and CCDP to my cisco cert
arsenal.  I was wondering what books the group would recommend for 640-861
and 640-901 (I believe these are the latest tests...)



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RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-06 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
mailsub1 wrote:
> 
> Priscilla wrote:
> 
> >One would think it would be easy to use the same pool of
> questions for
> >CCDP, but they don't. No BGP or IS-IS for example. SNA and
> StrataCom
> >though! Oh boy! :-)
> 
> I had quite a few BGP questions in my CCDP-recert exam on
> Monday.

Oops. Yes, you're right. CCDP does cover BGP. It was IS-IS that I was
thinking of. It doesn't cover that.

Also, it doesn't cover BGP to the extent that it is covered in CCNP. CCDP
seems to be drawing from a couple generations back of Routing questions.

Priscilla


> 
> I am really happy that I am now certified for another 3 years
> and can,
> according to Cisco, design a high performance SNA/Appletalk/IPX
> token-ring network, probably using only ATM switches from
> StrataCom and
> 700 and 1600 series routers ;)
> 
> Mark.
> 
> 




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RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-06 Thread jsicuran
You would think a notice would go out but I guess they missed it. I mean how
many times over the last three years since we obtained our certs did we get
update notices on the program plus reminders that our certs were expiring? I
received lots of "cert" junk mail from Cisco over that period.

What bugged me the most was the DP and the invalid info on CCO in respect to
the exam topics. According to CCO for np and dp recert everything is an
updated exam except for the CID. Oh well at least we have another 3 years
for them to catch up. The newer topics and exam info for the recently
updated np/dp looks really good, more voice and qos and content stuff. I
think these update exam topics plus the added hands on simulation difficulty
level of the exams will help keep the NP/DP somewhat relevant.

Congrats btw "memory lane" you said it lol.

Regards..

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my first attempt was 13 May and my successful attempt was 3 June (not
mentioning what was in between)

"Updated" CCNP recert. the CCNP recert is a new exam - wouldn't a
notice go out about a new exam?

Kevin Wigle

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To: "Kevin Wigle" ; 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]


> Wow, that is weird, your NP exam sounded like the old DP recert exam I
just
> had. One gent on the Cisco forum had the NP recert that was updated,
before
> me and that's what I got, so I am presuming you should get the updated
exam
> as well. How long ago did you take your NP recert exam maybe they just
> switched to the newer stuff in the last couple of weeks.
> That is weird. Memory lane is right.
>
> Good luck..
>
> /JS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:50 PM
> To: jeff sicuranza; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]
>
>
> well... my experience is a bit different.
>
> As I said in a previous post I've taken this exam a "few" times.
>
> I encountered both Appletalk and the 700 Router on the NP recert and not
> just one question.
>
> I think the question pool is huge on this exam.  Consider what it has to
> cover.
>
> "The Road Goes Ever On" (Chuck) just posted that he had a great walk down
> memory lane.
> I would assume he was hinting that the topics he saw were a bit dated.
>
> Of course, I probably shouldn't assume...
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jeff sicuranza" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]
>
>
> > There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably from one
> of
> > old questions from the routing pool. As for the 700 series nothing like
> that
> > on the NP recert. The NP recert exam is one of the more updated newer
> exams
> > with ios simulation for hands on testing.
> >
> > It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.
> >
> > Good luck..




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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-05 Thread Kevin Wigle
my first attempt was 13 May and my successful attempt was 3 June (not
mentioning what was in between)

"Updated" CCNP recert. the CCNP recert is a new exam - wouldn't a
notice go out about a new exam?

Kevin Wigle

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To: "Kevin Wigle" ; 
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]


> Wow, that is weird, your NP exam sounded like the old DP recert exam I
just
> had. One gent on the Cisco forum had the NP recert that was updated,
before
> me and that's what I got, so I am presuming you should get the updated
exam
> as well. How long ago did you take your NP recert exam maybe they just
> switched to the newer stuff in the last couple of weeks.
> That is weird. Memory lane is right.
>
> Good luck..
>
> /JS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:50 PM
> To: jeff sicuranza; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]
>
>
> well... my experience is a bit different.
>
> As I said in a previous post I've taken this exam a "few" times.
>
> I encountered both Appletalk and the 700 Router on the NP recert and not
> just one question.
>
> I think the question pool is huge on this exam.  Consider what it has to
> cover.
>
> "The Road Goes Ever On" (Chuck) just posted that he had a great walk down
> memory lane.
> I would assume he was hinting that the topics he saw were a bit dated.
>
> Of course, I probably shouldn't assume...
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jeff sicuranza" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]
>
>
> > There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably from one
> of
> > old questions from the routing pool. As for the 700 series nothing like
> that
> > on the NP recert. The NP recert exam is one of the more updated newer
> exams
> > with ios simulation for hands on testing.
> >
> > It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.
> >
> > Good luck..




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RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-05 Thread jsicuran
Wow, that is weird, your NP exam sounded like the old DP recert exam I just
had. One gent on the Cisco forum had the NP recert that was updated, before
me and that's what I got, so I am presuming you should get the updated exam
as well. How long ago did you take your NP recert exam maybe they just
switched to the newer stuff in the last couple of weeks.
That is weird. Memory lane is right.

Good luck..

/JS

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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:50 PM
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Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]


well... my experience is a bit different.

As I said in a previous post I've taken this exam a "few" times.

I encountered both Appletalk and the 700 Router on the NP recert and not
just one question.

I think the question pool is huge on this exam.  Consider what it has to
cover.

"The Road Goes Ever On" (Chuck) just posted that he had a great walk down
memory lane.
I would assume he was hinting that the topics he saw were a bit dated.

Of course, I probably shouldn't assume...

Kevin Wigle


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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]


> There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably from one
of
> old questions from the routing pool. As for the 700 series nothing like
that
> on the NP recert. The NP recert exam is one of the more updated newer
exams
> with ios simulation for hands on testing.
>
> It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.
>
> Good luck..




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RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-04 Thread mailsub1
Priscilla wrote:

>One would think it would be easy to use the same pool of questions for
>CCDP, but they don't. No BGP or IS-IS for example. SNA and StrataCom
>though! Oh boy! :-)

I had quite a few BGP questions in my CCDP-recert exam on Monday.

I am really happy that I am now certified for another 3 years and can,
according to Cisco, design a high performance SNA/Appletalk/IPX
token-ring network, probably using only ATM switches from StrataCom and
700 and 1600 series routers ;)

Mark.




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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-04 Thread The Road Goes Ever On
""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in message
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> jeff sicuranza wrote:
> >
> > There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably
> > from one of old questions from the routing pool.
>
> I think the AppleTalk questions (if you get any) in the CCNP recert are
from
> the Support exam which hasn't been updated much.


What's to update in troubleshooting? There are only so many things that
could be wrong, and only so many places those wrong things can occur, no
matter what the protocol or topology.

The good news is that test takers apparently are not required to know how to
read sniffer traces ;->


>
> > As for the 700
> > series nothing like that on the NP recert. The NP recert exam
> > is one of the more updated newer exams with ios simulation for
> > hands on testing.
> >
> > It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.
>
> Indeed, the CCDP recert exam is ancient, making you wonder what the point
> is. It can't be to show that the candidate is keeping up with new stuff!?
> ;-) I almost wonder if it's some sort of mistake.


vision, policy, archtecture. definitely not the stuff of certification
construction.

>
> CCNP isn't quite so ancient, except for the BCRAN part which is still
> ancient. I did get some 700 questions. But Routing and Switching were
> updated and did give Cisco proof that I was keeping up with new Cisco
> requirements. Routing included BGP and IS-IS, for example, which weren't
on
> the test 3 years ago.
>
> One would think it would be easy to use the same pool of questions for
CCDP,
> but they don't. No BGP or IS-IS for example. SNA and StrataCom though! Oh
> boy! :-)
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >
> > Good luck..




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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-04 Thread Kevin Wigle
well... my experience is a bit different.

As I said in a previous post I've taken this exam a "few" times.

I encountered both Appletalk and the 700 Router on the NP recert and not
just one question.

I think the question pool is huge on this exam.  Consider what it has to
cover.

"The Road Goes Ever On" (Chuck) just posted that he had a great walk down
memory lane.
I would assume he was hinting that the topics he saw were a bit dated.

Of course, I probably shouldn't assume...

Kevin Wigle


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> There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably from one
of
> old questions from the routing pool. As for the 700 series nothing like
that
> on the NP recert. The NP recert exam is one of the more updated newer
exams
> with ios simulation for hands on testing.
>
> It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.
>
> Good luck..




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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-04 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
jeff sicuranza wrote:
> 
> There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably
> from one of old questions from the routing pool. 

I think the AppleTalk questions (if you get any) in the CCNP recert are from
the Support exam which hasn't been updated much.

> As for the 700
> series nothing like that on the NP recert. The NP recert exam
> is one of the more updated newer exams with ios simulation for
> hands on testing.
> 
> It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.

Indeed, the CCDP recert exam is ancient, making you wonder what the point
is. It can't be to show that the candidate is keeping up with new stuff!?
;-) I almost wonder if it's some sort of mistake.

CCNP isn't quite so ancient, except for the BCRAN part which is still
ancient. I did get some 700 questions. But Routing and Switching were
updated and did give Cisco proof that I was keeping up with new Cisco
requirements. Routing included BGP and IS-IS, for example, which weren't on
the test 3 years ago.

One would think it would be easy to use the same pool of questions for CCDP,
but they don't. No BGP or IS-IS for example. SNA and StrataCom though! Oh
boy! :-)

Priscilla


> 
> Good luck..




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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-04 Thread jeff sicuranza
There was only one appletalk quesiton on the NP recert probably from one of
old questions from the routing pool. As for the 700 series nothing like that
on the NP recert. The NP recert exam is one of the more updated newer exams
with ios simulation for hands on testing.

It is the DP recert exam that has all the old junk.

Good luck..


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Re: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-03 Thread Kevin Wigle
There are also Appletalk and 700 routers on the CCNP re-cert.

I decided to review the 700 documentation on CCO.

The 700 is not listed on the router list.

Fortunately searching on the 700 brought me to the right docs, although most
of the links say, end of sale, etc.

Kevin Wigle

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> Congratulations! I just passed today (first time VERY lucky ;), and I
> have to agree that it is a crazy exam. A couple of the questions were so
> badly worded that I didn't understand them.
>
> I just thought that I'd add a few extra pointers for the unlucky ones
> who still have to take the exam. There are some newer questions (e.g.
> quite a few on BGP), although nothing on IS-IS. However, a lot of the
> questions are very old - for example when did you last hear of Stratacom
> or configured a 700 series router (or for that matter used appletalk)!
>
> This was probably the worst Cisco exam EVER, and I just hope it is
> better in 3 years time.
>
> Now I just have to take CSI for my CCSP before my summer vacation.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mark.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> jeff sicuranza
> Sent: 31. mam 2003 06:09
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]
>
> Well fellas I passed the CCDP recert today. Man what a messed up test.
> The
> exam objectives on CCO(for all tests) are not what are on this exam.
> This
> exam is basically version 1 Routing, Switching, Remote access and CID
> version 1 from 3-4 years ago. I mean I did have some MLS but I had x25,
> smds, atm aal3-4 nonsense, desktop protocol issues, lan manager, old CID
> design questions that did not make sense, type in questions(which is to
> be
> expected) and old hardware that is probably not even supported anymore,
> like
> 700s and 1600s. I made many comments during the exam that these
> questions
> are no longer relevant especially for a CCDP update recert. It was all
> old
> stuff. I mean old stuff that was not too relevant then, specific 1600s
> and
> 700s issues, come on now..
>
> I studied based on the info. from the CCO site, so for Routing,
> Switching
> and Remote access for the CCNP recert., which was updated, but it was my
> experience that carried me on this one. I did go over my old Sybex and
> Cisco
> Press ver. 1 CID books this week just in case, so that helped too.
>
> I thought halfway through I was failing for all of the older 700/1600,
> desktop protocols and x25/atm crap was driving me nuts. Since I have
> been in
> computer technology since 84 I was able to pass. A lot of the questions
> were hands on fill in the blank types so that helped me also. Funny
> though,
> I did better on this exam(averaging in the 80% range for every topic
> except
> CID) and got in the high 800s than I did on the CCNP recert.(Considering
>
> the CCO CCNP topics matched the exam). I only studied a week and a half
> for
> both and took them two days apart. What I learned in the CCNP recert
> exam,
> that I posted earlier here, did not apply on the CCDP recert. exam to my
> dismay so I was bummed out during the exam. In this case my old hands on
> experience rules.
>
> So, for those of you fellas preparing for the CCDP recert. your old
> books(even version 1 CCDP stuff) is fine.
>
> Now to decide if I want to take a second stab at my ccie lab seat.
>
> Good luck to all
>
> /JS




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RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-03 Thread jsicuran
Yes, the CCDP recert exam is old and messed up. The CCNP recert exam was
updated for content over the last three years so it has bgp, hands on
simulation and ISIS. IT will get better and tougher if the CCNP recert is
any hint. Look at the current changes to the DP program. It will be more
difficult if you have to recert in three years...

Congrats also, good luck on the CSI..

/JS

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Congratulations! I just passed today (first time VERY lucky ;), and I
have to agree that it is a crazy exam. A couple of the questions were so
badly worded that I didn't understand them.

I just thought that I'd add a few extra pointers for the unlucky ones
who still have to take the exam. There are some newer questions (e.g.
quite a few on BGP), although nothing on IS-IS. However, a lot of the
questions are very old - for example when did you last hear of Stratacom
or configured a 700 series router (or for that matter used appletalk)!

This was probably the worst Cisco exam EVER, and I just hope it is
better in 3 years time.

Now I just have to take CSI for my CCSP before my summer vacation.

Good luck!

Mark.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
jeff sicuranza
Sent: 31. mam 2003 06:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

Well fellas I passed the CCDP recert today. Man what a messed up test.
The
exam objectives on CCO(for all tests) are not what are on this exam.
This
exam is basically version 1 Routing, Switching, Remote access and CID
version 1 from 3-4 years ago. I mean I did have some MLS but I had x25,
smds, atm aal3-4 nonsense, desktop protocol issues, lan manager, old CID
design questions that did not make sense, type in questions(which is to
be
expected) and old hardware that is probably not even supported anymore,
like
700s and 1600s. I made many comments during the exam that these
questions
are no longer relevant especially for a CCDP update recert. It was all
old
stuff. I mean old stuff that was not too relevant then, specific 1600s
and
700s issues, come on now..

I studied based on the info. from the CCO site, so for Routing,
Switching
and Remote access for the CCNP recert., which was updated, but it was my
experience that carried me on this one. I did go over my old Sybex and
Cisco
Press ver. 1 CID books this week just in case, so that helped too.

I thought halfway through I was failing for all of the older 700/1600,
desktop protocols and x25/atm crap was driving me nuts. Since I have
been in
computer technology since 84 I was able to pass. A lot of the questions
were hands on fill in the blank types so that helped me also. Funny
though,
I did better on this exam(averaging in the 80% range for every topic
except
CID) and got in the high 800s than I did on the CCNP recert.(Considering

the CCO CCNP topics matched the exam). I only studied a week and a half
for
both and took them two days apart. What I learned in the CCNP recert
exam,
that I posted earlier here, did not apply on the CCDP recert. exam to my
dismay so I was bummed out during the exam. In this case my old hands on
experience rules.

So, for those of you fellas preparing for the CCDP recert. your old
books(even version 1 CCDP stuff) is fine.

Now to decide if I want to take a second stab at my ccie lab seat.

Good luck to all

/JS




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RE: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-06-03 Thread mailsub1
Congratulations! I just passed today (first time VERY lucky ;), and I
have to agree that it is a crazy exam. A couple of the questions were so
badly worded that I didn't understand them. 

I just thought that I'd add a few extra pointers for the unlucky ones
who still have to take the exam. There are some newer questions (e.g.
quite a few on BGP), although nothing on IS-IS. However, a lot of the
questions are very old - for example when did you last hear of Stratacom
or configured a 700 series router (or for that matter used appletalk)!

This was probably the worst Cisco exam EVER, and I just hope it is
better in 3 years time.

Now I just have to take CSI for my CCSP before my summer vacation.

Good luck!

Mark.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
jeff sicuranza
Sent: 31. mam 2003 06:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

Well fellas I passed the CCDP recert today. Man what a messed up test.
The
exam objectives on CCO(for all tests) are not what are on this exam.
This
exam is basically version 1 Routing, Switching, Remote access and CID
version 1 from 3-4 years ago. I mean I did have some MLS but I had x25,
smds, atm aal3-4 nonsense, desktop protocol issues, lan manager, old CID
design questions that did not make sense, type in questions(which is to
be
expected) and old hardware that is probably not even supported anymore,
like
700s and 1600s. I made many comments during the exam that these
questions
are no longer relevant especially for a CCDP update recert. It was all
old
stuff. I mean old stuff that was not too relevant then, specific 1600s
and
700s issues, come on now..

I studied based on the info. from the CCO site, so for Routing,
Switching
and Remote access for the CCNP recert., which was updated, but it was my
experience that carried me on this one. I did go over my old Sybex and
Cisco
Press ver. 1 CID books this week just in case, so that helped too.

I thought halfway through I was failing for all of the older 700/1600,
desktop protocols and x25/atm crap was driving me nuts. Since I have
been in
computer technology since 84 I was able to pass. A lot of the questions
were hands on fill in the blank types so that helped me also. Funny
though,
I did better on this exam(averaging in the 80% range for every topic
except
CID) and got in the high 800s than I did on the CCNP recert.(Considering

the CCO CCNP topics matched the exam). I only studied a week and a half
for
both and took them two days apart. What I learned in the CCNP recert
exam,
that I posted earlier here, did not apply on the CCDP recert. exam to my
dismay so I was bummed out during the exam. In this case my old hands on
experience rules.

So, for those of you fellas preparing for the CCDP recert. your old
books(even version 1 CCDP stuff) is fine.

Now to decide if I want to take a second stab at my ccie lab seat.

Good luck to all

/JS




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CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-05-31 Thread jeff sicuranza
Well fellas I passed the CCDP recert today. Man what a messed up test. The
exam objectives on CCO(for all tests) are not what are on this exam. This
exam is basically version 1 Routing, Switching, Remote access and CID
version 1 from 3-4 years ago. I mean I did have some MLS but I had x25,
smds, atm aal3-4 nonsense, desktop protocol issues, lan manager, old CID
design questions that did not make sense, type in questions(which is to be
expected) and old hardware that is probably not even supported anymore, like
700s and 1600s. I made many comments during the exam that these questions
are no longer relevant especially for a CCDP update recert. It was all old
stuff. I mean old stuff that was not too relevant then, specific 1600s and
700s issues, come on now..

I studied based on the info. from the CCO site, so for Routing, Switching
and Remote access for the CCNP recert., which was updated, but it was my
experience that carried me on this one. I did go over my old Sybex and Cisco
Press ver. 1 CID books this week just in case, so that helped too.

I thought halfway through I was failing for all of the older 700/1600,
desktop protocols and x25/atm crap was driving me nuts. Since I have been in
computer technology since 84 I was able to pass. A lot of the questions
were hands on fill in the blank types so that helped me also. Funny though,
I did better on this exam(averaging in the 80% range for every topic except
CID) and got in the high 800s than I did on the CCNP recert.(Considering 
the CCO CCNP topics matched the exam). I only studied a week and a half for
both and took them two days apart. What I learned in the CCNP recert exam,
that I posted earlier here, did not apply on the CCDP recert. exam to my
dismay so I was bummed out during the exam. In this case my old hands on
experience rules.

So, for those of you fellas preparing for the CCDP recert. your old
books(even version 1 CCDP stuff) is fine.

Now to decide if I want to take a second stab at my ccie lab seat.

Good luck to all

/JS




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CCDP Recertification [7:69911]

2003-05-31 Thread jeff sicuranza
Well fellas I passed the CCDP recert today. Man what a messed up test. The
exam objectives on CCO(for all tests) are not what are on this exam. This
exam is basically version 1 Routing, Switching, Remote access and CID
version 1 from 3-4 years ago. I mean I did have some MLS but I had x25,
smds, atm aal3-4 nonsense, desktop protocol issues, lan manager, old CID
design questions that did not make sense, type in questions(which is to be
expected) and old hardware that is probably not even supported anymore, like
700s and 1600s. I made many comments during the exam that these questions
are no longer relevant especially for a CCDP update recert. It was all old
stuff. I mean old stuff that was not too relevant then, specific 1600s and
700s issues, come on now…..

I studied based on the info. from the CCO site, so for Routing, Switching
and Remote access for the CCNP recert., which was updated, but it was my
experience that carried me on this one. I did go over my old Sybex and Cisco
Press ver. 1 CID books this week just in case, so that helped too.

I thought halfway through I was failing for all of the older 700/1600,
desktop protocols and x25/atm crap was driving me nuts. Since I have been in
computer technology since ’84 I was able to pass. A lot of the questions
were hands on fill in the blank types so that helped me also. Funny though,
I did better on this exam(averaging in the 80% range for every topic except
CID) and got in the high 800s than I did on the CCNP recert.(Considering 
the CCO CCNP topics matched the exam). I only studied a week and a half for
both and took them two days apart. What I learned in the CCNP recert exam,
that I posted earlier here, did not apply on the CCDP recert. exam to my
dismay so I was bummed out during the exam. In this case my old hands on
experience rules.

So, for those of you fellas preparing for the CCDP recert. your old
books(even version 1 CCDP stuff) is fine.

Now to decide if I want to take a second stab at my ccie lab seat.

Good luck to all…

/JS 



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Re: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
aletoledo wrote:
> 
> order it from www.amazon.com, last I saw it was still in-stock.
> also look
> and see how many of the reviews she wrote herself!! ;)

I didn't write any reviews, but my mother did write one! But she really did
read the entire book. She was an economics and management professor for many
years. Alas, she couldn't make it through my second book though. :-)

> 
> scott
> 
> ""John McCartney""  wrote in message
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> > Congrats Priscilla! BTW I can't seem to find your "Top Down
> Net Design"
> book
> > in any store in TX. Is it still being published?

Yes, it's still being published. In fact, it's still selling pretty well. A
lot of brick-and-mortar bookstores have stopped selling professional, (read
expensive), technical books. Instead the bookstores are full of MS Press and
dummy books these days. :-) So check the online bookstores. Thanks for
considering it.

> > Thanks.
> 
> 




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Re: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-12 Thread aletoledo
order it from www.amazon.com, last I saw it was still in-stock. also look
and see how many of the reviews she wrote herself!! ;)

scott

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> Thanks.




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RE: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-12 Thread John McCartney
Congrats Priscilla! BTW I can't seem to find your "Top Down Net Design" book
in any store in TX. Is it still being published?
Thanks.


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RE: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-12 Thread Joseph R. Taylor
Good Morning Priscilla,
   Congratulations.
 JoeT


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RE: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-12 Thread Lauren Child
Thanks and congrats!

I have both CCNP and CCDP recerts coming up in the next couple of months.  

Im pretty OK on most things I think (fingers crossed).  I bought the BSCI
Exam certification guide to go through the new bits just in case (and to
revise OSPF and EIGRP), and got the trial InformIT subscription on the
ciscopress website so I could run through the Switching and Remote Access
books quickly and check that there wasnt anything I was majorly rusty on
(for free :)

Its good to know its doable...  Looking back at the old books and notes its
pretty daunting seeing how much info is there.

Thanks :)

TTFN
Lauren



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RE: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-12 Thread Andrew Larkins
congrats!.
I have just over a year left for mine!

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good stuff Priscilla :-)

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I just took the CCDP Recertification exam, exam number 640-529. I got an
878. You need 768 to pass. There were 115 questions and I had extra time.
You get 2 hours.

The test wasn't too bad. The copyright on the test is 2000. That will give
you a clue regarding what's on there.

The test was clearly broken up into 4 sections: remote access, CID, routing,
and switching.

Remote access was pretty easy because I studied for it. 

CID still had the ancient technologies and bizarre wording we have come to
know and love. :-)

Routing was the hardest for me, not because it included any routing
protocols recently added to other tests, but because the questions were
tough. But at least they were well written. I'll have to study OSPF
summarization better for next time (CCNP recert coming up too.)

The switching questions ranged from outrageously easy to tough. I was
shocked at how badly written they were. The author of the switching test
doesn't seem to be a native English speaker. There were missing articles,
and verbs that didn't agree with the subject, and other clues that the
writer wasn't a native English speaker. That's OK, but doesn't Cisco have
editors? Also some of the right (I think!) answers had the logic backwards.
Perhaps if you're thinking in another language and translating, that could
happen.

But I survived and am still a proud CCDP!

Priscilla




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RE: Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-11 Thread Vicuna, Mark
good stuff Priscilla :-)

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I just took the CCDP Recertification exam, exam number 640-529. I got an
878. You need 768 to pass. There were 115 questions and I had extra time.
You get 2 hours.

The test wasn't too bad. The copyright on the test is 2000. That will give
you a clue regarding what's on there.

The test was clearly broken up into 4 sections: remote access, CID, routing,
and switching.

Remote access was pretty easy because I studied for it. 

CID still had the ancient technologies and bizarre wording we have come to
know and love. :-)

Routing was the hardest for me, not because it included any routing
protocols recently added to other tests, but because the questions were
tough. But at least they were well written. I'll have to study OSPF
summarization better for next time (CCNP recert coming up too.)

The switching questions ranged from outrageously easy to tough. I was
shocked at how badly written they were. The author of the switching test
doesn't seem to be a native English speaker. There were missing articles,
and verbs that didn't agree with the subject, and other clues that the
writer wasn't a native English speaker. That's OK, but doesn't Cisco have
editors? Also some of the right (I think!) answers had the logic backwards.
Perhaps if you're thinking in another language and translating, that could
happen.

But I survived and am still a proud CCDP!

Priscilla




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Survived CCDP recertification! [7:65115]

2003-03-11 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I just took the CCDP Recertification exam, exam number 640-529. I got an
878. You need 768 to pass. There were 115 questions and I had extra time.
You get 2 hours.

The test wasn't too bad. The copyright on the test is 2000. That will give
you a clue regarding what's on there.

The test was clearly broken up into 4 sections: remote access, CID, routing,
and switching.

Remote access was pretty easy because I studied for it. 

CID still had the ancient technologies and bizarre wording we have come to
know and love. :-)

Routing was the hardest for me, not because it included any routing
protocols recently added to other tests, but because the questions were
tough. But at least they were well written. I'll have to study OSPF
summarization better for next time (CCNP recert coming up too.)

The switching questions ranged from outrageously easy to tough. I was
shocked at how badly written they were. The author of the switching test
doesn't seem to be a native English speaker. There were missing articles,
and verbs that didn't agree with the subject, and other clues that the
writer wasn't a native English speaker. That's OK, but doesn't Cisco have
editors? Also some of the right (I think!) answers had the logic backwards.
Perhaps if you're thinking in another language and translating, that could
happen.

But I survived and am still a proud CCDP!

Priscilla


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the new CCDP [7:64117]

2003-02-28 Thread Charles
fyi

Revision to Cisco Certified Design Professional (CCDP) program
The new CCDP program structure will reflect the latest developments
in network design and technologies incorporating converged networking
solutions.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/whats_new/ccdp/




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RE: CCDP question [7:63963]

2003-02-27 Thread Martin Jauner
A year ago, i was also surprised to do the CCDA after taken the CID Exam.
But in fact the topics are different. CCDA is more about how to create a
project documentation and so on.
After reading the Cisco DCN book, exam was no problem.


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RE: CCDP question [7:63963]

2003-02-27 Thread Beaver, Mark T.
CCDP Prerequisites   
Valid CCNA and CCDA certifications.  

From:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le2/le37/le5/learning_certification_
type_home.html

Sorry, you need the CCDA.
Mark

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I have a CCNA and CCNP yesterday I took the CID 640-025, will this do for
the old requierments for CCDP, or will I also have to take the CCDA ?




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RE: CCDP question [7:63963]

2003-02-27 Thread Michael F.
For the old requirements you will also need the CCDA. I had to 1 Year ago.


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CCDP question [7:63963]

2003-02-27 Thread Skarphedinsson Arni V.
I have a CCNA and CCNP yesterday I took the CID 640-025, will this do for
the old requierments for CCDP, or will I also have to take the CCDA ?




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RE: New CCDP [7:63848]

2003-02-26 Thread Prather Aaron
>From what I can tell, that is correct.  Im about to take the CID myself, and
it seems that if you complete it before its retired, you are CCDP for 3 more
years.


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New CCDP [7:63848]

2003-02-26 Thread Skarphedinsson Arni V.
Please note that under the new structure, Remote Access exam (640-605) will
no longer be a required exam for CCDP. Registration for the current 640-025
exam will end on May 27, 2003, and the existing Cisco Internetwork Design
(CID) course will end-of-life on April 28, 2003. For those candidates who
have already completed the current CID exam, Cisco will recognize Remote
Access and CID exams instead of the ARCH exam until September 1, 2003.


I have a CCNP and am taking the CID today, am I reading the cisco text right
as to If I complet the requierments for the old CCDP before Sept 1. 2003 I
wil be valid as an CCDP and I dont have to recertify until after the normal
amount of time ?


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Re: CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread Amazing
Top Down Network Design plus the cisco product quick reference were what i
used to prepare.

if they havent changed the test in the past few years, be sure to get
familiar with all the EOL WAN switching hardware and LANE...LOL

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_exam
s/640-025.html




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> I am curious why ciscopress.com lists Priscilla's book under the CCDA
> certification when I see so many comments that it is one of, if not the
best
> book to prepare for CCDP.  Even in the CCDA section it is listed last.
Now
> that I successfully recertified my CCNP I was planning on buying this book
> to finish my CCDP before my CCDA expires.  Do you think this book would be
> sufficient to study for the CID 640-025 exam?




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Re: CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread Peter Walker
I would say that it is sufficient from a technology and principles 
viewpoint. When supplemented by an old out of date cisco press cert guide 
and the exam blueprints it was sufficient for me to pass DCN and CID late 
last year.

I am not really disagreeing with John, just trying to add to what he said.

In any case, your individual milage may vary.

Peter Walker
CISSP, CC[DNI]P, CSS1, etc

--On 25 February 2003 21:37 + John Neiberger 
 wrote:

>> I am curious why ciscopress.com lists Priscilla's book under the CCDA
>> certification when I see so many comments that it is one of, if not
> the best
>> book to prepare for CCDP.  Even in the CCDA section it is listed last.
>  Now
>> that I successfully recertified my CCNP I was planning on buying this
> book
>> to finish my CCDP before my CCDA expires.  Do you think this book
> would be
>> sufficient to study for the CID 640-025 exam?
>>
>
> I would say that it's not sufficient because it's not intended to be a
> CCDP study guide.  TDND is intented to teach solid design principles
> using an iterative, top-down process.  It's a great book and I'd highly
> suggest you read it before you take the exam, but you should supplement
> your studies with other materials.  This book deals largely with
> procedures and principles and touches on a large number of technical
> details.  However, since the test is constantly being updated I'd
> suggest reading additional technical materials.
>
> John
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Re: CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread Steve Gamer
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> 
> Anyway, I think the book will enable you to pass, but I can't
> say for sure.

That's good enough for me; I'll get the book.

> CID hasn't been updated in ages..

If CID (assume class) hasn't been updated, maybe my class materials are
current.  At the time, the provider taught an older version but provided us
with the new class materials after the class.  I haven't really looked at
them since but maybe they are the latest.  Thanks.



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Re: CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
CID hasn't been updated in ages, (although it will be soon.) I have also
heard that Top-Down Network Design matches CID 640-025 very well. But I
can't say for sure. I took the CID test about 3 years ago and it looked
awfully familiar, though.

John is right that Top-Down Netork Design is not a certification book. But I
was the original author of the Designing Cisco Networks course (which
morphed into CCDA) and one of the developers of the CID course, the final
test for CCDP. That work influenced my writing of Top-Down in a huge way.
While I was writing, though, I wasn't aware that Cisco was turning the
courses into certification programs.

Anyway, I think the book will enable you to pass, but I can't say for sure. 

I don't like the idea of writing just a certification book. It means that
someone else tells you what to write. There's no fun in that. I have so much
more valuable information to impart. :-)

Priscilla

John Neiberger wrote:
> 
> >I am curious why ciscopress.com lists Priscilla's book under
> the CCDA
> >certification when I see so many comments that it is one of,
> if not
> the best
> >book to prepare for CCDP.  Even in the CCDA section it is
> listed last.
>  Now
> >that I successfully recertified my CCNP I was planning on
> buying this
> book
> >to finish my CCDP before my CCDA expires.  Do you think this
> book
> would be
> >sufficient to study for the CID 640-025 exam?
> >
> 
> I would say that it's not sufficient because it's not intended
> to be a
> CCDP study guide.  TDND is intented to teach solid design
> principles
> using an iterative, top-down process.  It's a great book and
> I'd highly
> suggest you read it before you take the exam, but you should
> supplement
> your studies with other materials.  This book deals largely with
> procedures and principles and touches on a large number of
> technical
> details.  However, since the test is constantly being updated
> I'd
> suggest reading additional technical materials.
> 
> John
> 
> 




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Re: CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread Terry Martin
Isn't the architecture exam (642-871) the new replacement?  Do they even
still offer the CID exam?


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Re: CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread John Neiberger
>I am curious why ciscopress.com lists Priscilla's book under the CCDA
>certification when I see so many comments that it is one of, if not
the best
>book to prepare for CCDP.  Even in the CCDA section it is listed last.
 Now
>that I successfully recertified my CCNP I was planning on buying this
book
>to finish my CCDP before my CCDA expires.  Do you think this book
would be
>sufficient to study for the CID 640-025 exam?
>

I would say that it's not sufficient because it's not intended to be a
CCDP study guide.  TDND is intented to teach solid design principles
using an iterative, top-down process.  It's a great book and I'd highly
suggest you read it before you take the exam, but you should supplement
your studies with other materials.  This book deals largely with
procedures and principles and touches on a large number of technical
details.  However, since the test is constantly being updated I'd
suggest reading additional technical materials.

John




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CCDP / Top Down Network Design [7:63773]

2003-02-25 Thread Steve Gamer
I am curious why ciscopress.com lists Priscilla's book under the CCDA
certification when I see so many comments that it is one of, if not the best
book to prepare for CCDP.  Even in the CCDA section it is listed last.  Now
that I successfully recertified my CCNP I was planning on buying this book
to finish my CCDP before my CCDA expires.  Do you think this book would be
sufficient to study for the CID 640-025 exam?


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RE: CCDA/CCDP [7:59606]

2002-12-20 Thread Juan Blanco
Serg
Congratulations, the most important thing is that you thanks the Lord, with
him we are nothing
Good luck in your next goal.
Juan Blanco

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Hi All

I would like to take this opportunity to thank our Gracious Dear Lord Jesus
for guiding me and supporting me and giving me such a wonderful family to
support me I have completed my Design route by completing my CCDA and in
combination with my CID which Thank God I passed a couple of weeks ago I am
a CCDP, I must admit that these exams are by no means a slice of cake, they
are difficult and tricky, but by the grace of God I have pulled through and
completed the route, thanks to everybody's help on the group I wish you all
the Best for Christmas and may the new year bring you plenty of success!

God Bless
Merry Christmas

Serg
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RE: CCDA/CCDP [7:59606]

2002-12-20 Thread Roney Banerjee
can anyone help me regarding the fact that how much different is CCNP is
from CCNA. actually I am a CCNA am will to head for CCNP but am not getting
enough time for preparation

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Hi Sergio,
Congrats on your achievment.You should head for now CCIE, the Black belt of
networking.
Regards,
Munit Singla

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> support me I have completed my Design route by completing my CCDA and in
> combination with my CID which Thank God I passed a couple of weeks ago I am
> a CCDP, I must admit that these exams are by no means a slice of cake, they
> are difficult and tricky, but by the grace of God I have pulled through and
> completed the route, thanks to everybody's help on the group I wish you all
> the Best for Christmas and may the new year bring you plenty of success!
>
> God Bless
> Merry Christmas
>
> Serg
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> A Career makes Something Of You.
>
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Re: CCDA/CCDP [7:59606]

2002-12-20 Thread Munit Singla
Hi Sergio,
Congrats on your achievment.You should head for now CCIE, the Black belt of
networking.
Regards,
Munit Singla

"Sergio Silva (ZA)" wrote:

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>
> I would like to take this opportunity to thank our Gracious Dear Lord Jesus
> for guiding me and supporting me and giving me such a wonderful family to
> support me I have completed my Design route by completing my CCDA and in
> combination with my CID which Thank God I passed a couple of weeks ago I am
> a CCDP, I must admit that these exams are by no means a slice of cake, they
> are difficult and tricky, but by the grace of God I have pulled through and
> completed the route, thanks to everybody's help on the group I wish you all
> the Best for Christmas and may the new year bring you plenty of success!
>
> God Bless
> Merry Christmas
>
> Serg
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> A Career makes Something Of You.
>
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CCDA/CCDP [7:59606]

2002-12-20 Thread Sergio Silva (ZA)
Hi All
 
I would like to take this opportunity to thank our Gracious Dear Lord Jesus
for guiding me and supporting me and giving me such a wonderful family to
support me I have completed my Design route by completing my CCDA and in
combination with my CID which Thank God I passed a couple of weeks ago I am
a CCDP, I must admit that these exams are by no means a slice of cake, they
are difficult and tricky, but by the grace of God I have pulled through and
completed the route, thanks to everybody's help on the group I wish you all
the Best for Christmas and may the new year bring you plenty of success!
 
God Bless
Merry Christmas
 
Serg
A Job Makes Something For You.
A Career makes Something Of You.


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Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread J.D. Chaiken
Well, Priscilla's Book covers  the material.  I had problems reading it
though.  I've gotten so used to reading poorly written technical books, that
whenever I find a passage that is really readable  I assume it's fluff and
skip past it. Since most of her book is readable and well written, I found
myself reading thorough it a couple of times.


Seriously though Top-Down Network design is really helpful.  These were the
most difficult tests that I've taken.

Jarett



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> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:
>
> > Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> > of CCNP status.
> >
> > Jarett
> >
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> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> > exams are required in order
> > to
> > > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> > #640-025 exam is all you need
> > > for CCDP?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
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RE: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread Logan, Harold
I used it to prep for both exams, supplemented by reading some
action-packed, edge-of-your-seat CCO material on SNA. Ciscopress does have
separate books for the ccda and ccdp, but I've never laid my hands on either
of them. My advice is, if you're going to get a book to supplement top-down,
go big and get the CCIE Case Studies book.

Hal Logan CCAI, CCNP, CCDP
Network Specialist / Adjunct Faculty
Computing & Engineering Technology
Manatee Community College


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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
> Thanks for the clarification everyone.
> 
> One more thing, does the "Top-Down Network Design" from Priscilla
> Oppenheimer covers both exams (CCDA & CID)?
> 
> ""Kaminski, Shawn G""  wrote in message
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> > I've heard that Priscilla Oppenheimer's book, "Top-Down 
> Network Design",
> is
> > the best book for this exam.
> >
> > Shawn K.
> >
> > -Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:51 AM
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> > Subject: Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]
> >
> >
> > What is the best book to buy for the CCDP test?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:
> >
> > > Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> > > of CCNP status.
> > >
> > > Jarett
> > >
> > > ""Vinh Le""  wrote in message
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> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> > > exams are required in order
> > > to
> > > > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> > > #640-025 exam is all you need
> > > > for CCDP?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
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RE: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1
In addition to Priscilla's invaluable work:

CID: Cisco Internetwork Design
 ISBN 0072126531 - $42.95 new at bookpool.com - $42 new $7.82 used at
amazon.com
Cisco Internetwork Design (Cisco Press)
 ISBN 1578701716 - $46.50 new at bookpool.com - $60 new $8.50 used at
amazon.com 

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What is the best book to buy for the CCDP test?
Thanks.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:

> Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> of CCNP status.
> 
> Jarett
> 
> ""Vinh Le""  wrote in message 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> exams are required in order
> to
> > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> #640-025 exam is all you need
> > for CCDP?
> >
> > Thanks.
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Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread Vinh Le
Thanks for the clarification everyone.

One more thing, does the "Top-Down Network Design" from Priscilla
Oppenheimer covers both exams (CCDA & CID)?

""Kaminski, Shawn G""  wrote in message
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> I've heard that Priscilla Oppenheimer's book, "Top-Down Network Design",
is
> the best book for this exam.
>
> Shawn K.
>
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]
>
>
> What is the best book to buy for the CCDP test?
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:
>
> > Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> > of CCNP status.
> >
> > Jarett
> >
> > ""Vinh Le""  wrote in message
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> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> > exams are required in order
> > to
> > > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> > #640-025 exam is all you need
> > > for CCDP?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > to [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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RE: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G
I've heard that Priscilla Oppenheimer's book, "Top-Down Network Design", is
the best book for this exam.

Shawn K.

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What is the best book to buy for the CCDP test?
Thanks.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:

> Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> of CCNP status.
> 
> Jarett
> 
> ""Vinh Le""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> exams are required in order
> to
> > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> #640-025 exam is all you need
> > for CCDP?
> >
> > Thanks.
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Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the best book to buy for the CCDP test?
Thanks.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:

> Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> of CCNP status.
> 
> Jarett
> 
> ""Vinh Le""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> exams are required in order
> to
> > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> #640-025 exam is all you need
> > for CCDP?
> >
> > Thanks.
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the best book to buy for the CCDP test?
Thanks.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:54:42 GMT "J.D. Chaiken"  wrote:

> Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless
> of CCNP status.
> 
> Jarett
> 
> ""Vinh Le""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025
> exams are required in order
> to
> > get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID
> #640-025 exam is all you need
> > for CCDP?
> >
> > Thanks.
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-19 Thread J.D. Chaiken
Both CCDA and CID are requirements regardless of CCNP status.

Jarett

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> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025 exams are required in order
to
> get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID #640-025 exam is all you need
> for CCDP?
>
> Thanks.




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Re: Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-18 Thread Clayton Price
The CCDA exam is required even if you are a ccnp.



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>
> Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025 exams are required in order
to
> get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID #640-025 exam is all you need
> for CCDP?
>
> Thanks.




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Question for CCDP [7:57667]

2002-11-18 Thread Vinh Le
Hi all,

Does anyone know if both CCDA & CID #640-025 exams are required in order to
get CCDP if you possess a CCNP? Or just CID #640-025 exam is all you need
for CCDP?

Thanks.




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RE: CCDP Recert Exam #640-529 [7:55091]

2002-10-10 Thread Dale Cullum

I too am working on this, and its proving to be a struggle, as the
questions for this are taken from four different exams
(640-503,640-504,640-505 and 640-025). Unfortunately cisco has long
since pulled these exams (except 640-025), so getting relevant materials
to study from is difficult. It does not help that I have not touched a
Cisco router for more than two years!

I think I may just get the closest Boson tests for each of the 4 exams
and just practise/learn from them until I am happy with the core topics.
If I fail the exam first time it will be more of an experiment than a
disaster!

Regards

Dale

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Has  anyone taken the  CCDP Recert Exam yet?  If so then I was wondering
what
you used to prepare for it. Thanks.

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CCDP Recert Exam #640-529 [7:55091]

2002-10-08 Thread John Gesualdi

Has  anyone taken the  CCDP Recert Exam yet?  If so then I was wondering what
you used to prepare for it. Thanks.

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RE: CCDP 3.0 - Advice?? [7:52949]

2002-09-11 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G

Book - Top-Down Network Design by Priscilla Oppenheimer

Practice Exams - Use the CID 3.0 640-025 materials from
www.ccxxproductions.com for the best results

Shawn K.

Disclaimer: I have done work for CCxx Productions

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> Hello,
> 
> Can someone recommend a book for the CCDP 3.0 exam? I have the Cisco Press
> 
> book for CID but am not sure whether this will be enough.
> 
> Any recommendations on the Boson exam? Which one?
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Sincerely.
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CCDP 3.0 - Advice?? [7:52949]

2002-09-10 Thread Cisco Nuts

Hello,

Can someone recommend a book for the CCDP 3.0 exam? I have the Cisco Press 
book for CID but am not sure whether this will be enough.

Any recommendations on the Boson exam? Which one?

Thank you for your help.

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CCDP pointers [7:52812]

2002-09-06 Thread Arun DK

Hi,



passed all four for CCNP, in past 4 weeks, I must thank this groups, and
some of the discussios, and helpful information...



with a weeks rest, like to go in for CCDP, I already have the exam
certification guide , from Cisco Press, does any body have pointers in Cisco
web site...for the study material...(Searching on dialup)



I would also like to get some feedback, on the CCIP trach, specially on the
Multicast, which are the good books to buy ???





Thanks

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RE: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-05 Thread Michael Greenbaum

Shawn,
Good Point. The books that I am using to Study for the CCIE Written are:
Managing Cisco Network Security - cisco Press
Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 and 2 - doyle
Cisco LAN Switching - Clark
Internet Routing Architectures - Halabi
CCIE practical Studies Vol 1 - Solie

Hope this helps.

Michael


>From: "Kaminski, Shawn G" 
>Reply-To: "Kaminski, Shawn G" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:03:27 GMT
>
>True, or the other way around. The knowledge gained by the Security
>specialization may help with the CCIE lab. The reason I say this is because
>the R&S CCIE Written 350-001 pre-qualification exam blueprint shows
>"Security" as a topic you must understand for this exam. This leads me to
>believe that you may possibly be asked to configure some basic
>Security-based solutions when taking the R&S CCIE lab.
>Cisco states, "The Routing and Switching Lab exam tests any feature that 
>can
>be configured on the equipment in the Equipment List, except for LAT,
>DECnet, Apollo, Banyan VINES, ISO CLNS, XNS, ATM LANE, X.25, and 
>Appletalk".
>Nothing is said about Security being exempt from the R&S CCIE lab.
>However, I also believe that major testing of Security-based solutions 
>would
>be tested on the Security CCIE lab. Just be aware that you could possibly
>see some Security on the standard R&S CCIE lab.
>Shawn K.
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Michael Greenbaum [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:06 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:Re: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> >
> > I have same issue. My solution was to start focusing on the CCIE Routing
> > and
> > Switching (still in the process of studying). Theory is that most of the
> > advanced knowledge gained by CCIE will help with the specializations.
> >
> > My two pennies,
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > >From: "suaveguru"
> > >Reply-To: "suaveguru"
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> > >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:43 GMT
> > >
> > >Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input on
> > >the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What do
> > >you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
> > >exams ?
> > >
> > >any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > >regards,
> > >suaveguru
> > >
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RE: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-04 Thread Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1

The road to CCIE is long and arduous, you will absolutely need hands-on, so
if you opt not to purchase any home lab equipment you can rent remote access
to a lab from places like ccbootcamp.com, bradshawlabs.com or any of the
many others out there (sorry - no promo intended).

As far as books and topics, CCO is the best initial resource for finding a
good path. Take a look at the site to get an idea of just how long the road
to the 5 digits will be. HTH

(word wrap)
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html

Bill Creighton CCNP
Senior System Engineer
Motorola
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thanks , what should be my first step for CCIE R&S ,
what books should I use and how should I prepare for
lab test if I do not have the actual equipment

regards,
Jason Yee

--- Michael Greenbaum  wrote:
> I have same issue. My solution was to start focusing
> on the CCIE Routing and 
> Switching (still in the process of studying). Theory
> is that most of the 
> advanced knowledge gained by CCIE will help with the
> specializations.
> 
> My two pennies,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> >From: "suaveguru" 
> >Reply-To: "suaveguru" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:43 GMT
> >
> >Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input
> on
> >the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What
> do
> >you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
> >exams ?
> >
> >any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated
> >
> >regards,
> >suaveguru
> >
> >__
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Re: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-04 Thread Brian Hartsfield

You are going to have a hard time passing the lab if you do not have
actual equipment.

So your first step should be to buy some equipment.



On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, suaveguru wrote:

> thanks , what should be my first step for CCIE R&S ,
> what books should I use and how should I prepare for
> lab test if I do not have the actual equipment
> 
> regards,
> Jason Yee
> 
> --- Michael Greenbaum  wrote:
> > I have same issue. My solution was to start focusing
> > on the CCIE Routing and 
> > Switching (still in the process of studying). Theory
> > is that most of the 
> > advanced knowledge gained by CCIE will help with the
> > specializations.
> > 
> > My two pennies,
> > 
> > Michael
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "suaveguru" 
> > >Reply-To: "suaveguru" 
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> > >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:43 GMT
> > >
> > >Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input
> > on
> > >the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What
> > do
> > >you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
> > >exams ?
> > >
> > >any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > >regards,
> > >suaveguru
> > >
> > >__
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> > 
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Re: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-04 Thread suaveguru

thanks , what should be my first step for CCIE R&S ,
what books should I use and how should I prepare for
lab test if I do not have the actual equipment

regards,
Jason Yee

--- Michael Greenbaum  wrote:
> I have same issue. My solution was to start focusing
> on the CCIE Routing and 
> Switching (still in the process of studying). Theory
> is that most of the 
> advanced knowledge gained by CCIE will help with the
> specializations.
> 
> My two pennies,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> >From: "suaveguru" 
> >Reply-To: "suaveguru" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:43 GMT
> >
> >Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input
> on
> >the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What
> do
> >you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
> >exams ?
> >
> >any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated
> >
> >regards,
> >suaveguru
> >
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RE: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-03 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G

True, or the other way around. The knowledge gained by the Security
specialization may help with the CCIE lab. The reason I say this is because
the R&S CCIE Written 350-001 pre-qualification exam blueprint shows
"Security" as a topic you must understand for this exam. This leads me to
believe that you may possibly be asked to configure some basic
Security-based solutions when taking the R&S CCIE lab. 
Cisco states, "The Routing and Switching Lab exam tests any feature that can
be configured on the equipment in the Equipment List, except for LAT,
DECnet, Apollo, Banyan VINES, ISO CLNS, XNS, ATM LANE, X.25, and Appletalk".
Nothing is said about Security being exempt from the R&S CCIE lab. 
However, I also believe that major testing of Security-based solutions would
be tested on the Security CCIE lab. Just be aware that you could possibly
see some Security on the standard R&S CCIE lab.
Shawn K. 


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> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> 
> I have same issue. My solution was to start focusing on the CCIE Routing
> and 
> Switching (still in the process of studying). Theory is that most of the 
> advanced knowledge gained by CCIE will help with the specializations.
> 
> My two pennies,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> >From: "suaveguru" 
> >Reply-To: "suaveguru" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
> >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:43 GMT
> >
> >Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input on
> >the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What do
> >you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
> >exams ?
> >
> >any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated
> >
> >regards,
> >suaveguru
> >
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RE: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-03 Thread Heffner Christopher

It depends upon your background I would say.

Do you have any background or interest in the security side of things.

If you do then the CSS1 is just for more courses and/or tests and probably
could be completed in about 6 months or less.

Understand that all the CSS1 tests are about to change in the next 6 to 8
weeks.

You seem to have the knowledge and drive to pass the CCNP and CCDP which is
great so continuing on to the CCIE Routing and Switching could also be the
next logical step.

I would start with studying for the CCIE Routing and Switching Written
test.  That should take you about 4 to 6 weeks of gooding reading of such
books like the Cisco Press Internetworking Technlogies Handbook which most
chapters can be found on Cisco website also.

Try the written test first and then see what you think.  

You can always go back to the security stuff later.

Understand the CCIE Routing and Switch Lab test is another big challenge and
will demand a lot of time and commitment on your part.  Most folks spend at
least a year or close to two years getting ready for the lab exam and take
it 3 or 4 times just to pass.  You need lots of studying, reading and lots
and lots and lots of practice on real Cisco gear.

Either way get signed up for the other groupstudy lists once you have
decided.

Best of luck in your new challenges.


Christopher M. Heffner
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CCSI, CCIE, MCT, MCSE, MCNI, MCNE, CLI, PCLP, FCSE, CTT, ASE, A+
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Re: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-03 Thread Michael Greenbaum

I have same issue. My solution was to start focusing on the CCIE Routing and 
Switching (still in the process of studying). Theory is that most of the 
advanced knowledge gained by CCIE will help with the specializations.

My two pennies,

Michael


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>Subject: What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]
>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:16:43 GMT
>
>Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input on
>the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What do
>you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
>exams ?
>
>any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated
>
>regards,
>suaveguru
>
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What's next after CCNP AND CCDP [7:52611]

2002-09-03 Thread suaveguru

Hi , thanks for the group for your fantastic input on
the exams I have passed so far CCNP , CCDP . What do
you guys think I should take next, CCIE or Security
exams ?

any form of inputs will be greatly appreciated

regards,
suaveguru

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Re: RE: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]

2002-07-03 Thread Kim Graham

Thanks Dan for the heads up on the Sybex material.  I will not waist my time
on it then.

Kim

> 
> From: "Dan Penn" 
> Date: 2002/07/03 Wed PM 05:31:30 EDT
> To: "'Kim Graham'" , 
>   
> Subject: RE: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]
> 
> I don't know about CCDP, but for CCNP Sybex is terrible!  I am in the
> same position as you are right now.  My plan to prepare is Cisco Press
> CID exam certification guide and Top Down Network Design.
> 
> Dan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Kim Graham
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]
> 
> Over the next few months I am going to take steps towards completing my
> CCDP.  It looks to be the best way to gain some design
> background/information that can help me on a future qwest, CCIE.  It
> should
> also help me with my present position.
> 
> Questions or thoughts that come to mind are reference materials.
> Currently
> I have Sybex's, CCDP (2000 publication date) which I really have not
> browsed
> through, and Top Down Design.  So far I have read the Testing and parts
> of
> the Documention chapters of Top Down Design.  It is a nice book and will
> be
> a great resource.  Thanks Priscilla for taking the time to write it.
> 
> Should I venture out and get the CID Cisco Press book or will I be fine
> with
> those 2 resources, plus practical experience and CCO?
> 
> Anyone's thoughts on it are appreciated. 
> 
> Kim




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Re: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]

2002-07-03 Thread Clayton Dukes

Howdy Kim :-)

I run a useful website that has some great (free) material for all the
Certs.
Email me offline and I'll send you the URL (I don't want Paul to get mad at
me for spamming the list with advertisements).

Clayton Dukes
CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP, NCC


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From: "Kim Graham" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]


> Over the next few months I am going to take steps towards completing my
> CCDP.  It looks to be the best way to gain some design
> background/information that can help me on a future qwest, CCIE.  It
should
> also help me with my present position.
>
> Questions or thoughts that come to mind are reference materials.
Currently
> I have Sybex's, CCDP (2000 publication date) which I really have not
browsed
> through, and Top Down Design.  So far I have read the Testing and parts of
> the Documention chapters of Top Down Design.  It is a nice book and will
be
> a great resource.  Thanks Priscilla for taking the time to write it.
>
> Should I venture out and get the CID Cisco Press book or will I be fine
with
> those 2 resources, plus practical experience and CCO?
>
> Anyone's thoughts on it are appreciated.
>
> Kim




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RE: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]

2002-07-03 Thread Dan Penn

I don't know about CCDP, but for CCNP Sybex is terrible!  I am in the
same position as you are right now.  My plan to prepare is Cisco Press
CID exam certification guide and Top Down Network Design.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Kim Graham
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]

Over the next few months I am going to take steps towards completing my
CCDP.  It looks to be the best way to gain some design
background/information that can help me on a future qwest, CCIE.  It
should
also help me with my present position.

Questions or thoughts that come to mind are reference materials.
Currently
I have Sybex's, CCDP (2000 publication date) which I really have not
browsed
through, and Top Down Design.  So far I have read the Testing and parts
of
the Documention chapters of Top Down Design.  It is a nice book and will
be
a great resource.  Thanks Priscilla for taking the time to write it.

Should I venture out and get the CID Cisco Press book or will I be fine
with
those 2 resources, plus practical experience and CCO?

Anyone's thoughts on it are appreciated. 

Kim




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Starting to prepare for CCDP [7:48042]

2002-07-03 Thread Kim Graham

Over the next few months I am going to take steps towards completing my
CCDP.  It looks to be the best way to gain some design
background/information that can help me on a future qwest, CCIE.  It should
also help me with my present position.

Questions or thoughts that come to mind are reference materials.  Currently
I have Sybex's, CCDP (2000 publication date) which I really have not browsed
through, and Top Down Design.  So far I have read the Testing and parts of
the Documention chapters of Top Down Design.  It is a nice book and will be
a great resource.  Thanks Priscilla for taking the time to write it.

Should I venture out and get the CID Cisco Press book or will I be fine with
those 2 resources, plus practical experience and CCO?

Anyone's thoughts on it are appreciated. 

Kim


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RE: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-28 Thread Logan, Harold

That book, along with some reading up on SNA on CCO, worked fine for me.

Good luck,
Hal

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> I purchased the Top Down book my Priscilla!
> 
> Lets see how I go at the exam in 2 weeks!
> Thanks Andy!




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RE: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-27 Thread Kris Keen

Thanks Theo , ill see how I go with this :)


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RE: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HeHeHe you understand..







"Andy Barkl" 
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I reviewed both the CID exam prep guide (full of errors) and the CID
book (good but dated), and I still highly recommend the Top-Down Network
Design book for the new CID exam.


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Subject: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

All, I've seen people recommend Priscilla's book Top Network Design and
I've
seen the CID Cisco Press Exam Cert Guide, I've completed the CCNP and
CCDA
along with the CCIE written, and want to get CID outta the way pretty
quick.

I found the DCN book for CCDA a boring and waste of time, in the end I
just
sat the exam and walked away with 885, a decent pass.

Which book is more suited to the CID? Any information regarding this
exam
would be great, I've got the boson's to assist also.

Cheers
Kris




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Re: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Read Doyle again.  Designing EIGRP was good.  I read Moy as well.

You should know Priscilla's book anyway.  The CID cert guide's cd was 
rather useful. 

I passed the CCDA about the same way as you did.  It was like answering 
medival networking theory.

Theo






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All, I've seen people recommend Priscilla's book Top Network Design and 
I've
seen the CID Cisco Press Exam Cert Guide, I've completed the CCNP and CCDA
along with the CCIE written, and want to get CID outta the way pretty 
quick.

I found the DCN book for CCDA a boring and waste of time, in the end I 
just
sat the exam and walked away with 885, a decent pass.

Which book is more suited to the CID? Any information regarding this exam
would be great, I've got the boson's to assist also.

Cheers
Kris




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RE: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-26 Thread Kris Keen

I purchased the Top Down book my Priscilla!

Lets see how I go at the exam in 2 weeks!
Thanks Andy!


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RE: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-26 Thread Andy Barkl

I reviewed both the CID exam prep guide (full of errors) and the CID
book (good but dated), and I still highly recommend the Top-Down Network
Design book for the new CID exam.


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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 7:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

All, I've seen people recommend Priscilla's book Top Network Design and
I've
seen the CID Cisco Press Exam Cert Guide, I've completed the CCNP and
CCDA
along with the CCIE written, and want to get CID outta the way pretty
quick.

I found the DCN book for CCDA a boring and waste of time, in the end I
just
sat the exam and walked away with 885, a decent pass.

Which book is more suited to the CID? Any information regarding this
exam
would be great, I've got the boson's to assist also.

Cheers
Kris




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CCDP, What book? [7:45109]

2002-05-26 Thread Kris Keen

All, I've seen people recommend Priscilla's book Top Network Design and I've
seen the CID Cisco Press Exam Cert Guide, I've completed the CCNP and CCDA
along with the CCIE written, and want to get CID outta the way pretty quick.

I found the DCN book for CCDA a boring and waste of time, in the end I just
sat the exam and walked away with 885, a decent pass.

Which book is more suited to the CID? Any information regarding this exam
would be great, I've got the boson's to assist also.

Cheers
Kris


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Re: CCDP Prerequisites? [7:44966]

2002-05-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just passed the CCDP and yes you must have te CCNA and the CCDA.

Personally speaking, I don't think the test is worth it!  It tested me on 
knowledge that I thought was basically useless and the security section 
was just terrible.  Unprofessional I thought.

Theo






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Re: CCDP Prerequisites? [7:44966]

2002-05-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Miguel,

"Unfair it seems" , but it is, in fact, true.  One must sit for and pass the 
CCDA exam as a pre-requisite of sitting for the CCDP.  After all, a little 
MORE knowledge certainly wont hurt?  ;)

HTH,

Rob H.   NP, DP, blah,blah,blah.




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RE: CCDP Prerequisites? [7:44966]

2002-05-24 Thread Marko Milivojevic

> Hi
> Can anyone tell me what the current prerequisites are for 
> taking the DP
> exam? I was told that if you have the CCNP you can write the 
> DP exam without
> writing the DA exam first. Is this true? I am hearing now 
> that you must
> write the DA exam as well.

The only way you can avoid DA is if you have CCIE ... There is a
nice tree structure of requirements on cert. tracking site.


Marko.




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Re: CCDP Prerequisites? [7:44966]

2002-05-24 Thread Steven A. Ridder

You need CCNP +CCDA first

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> Can anyone tell me what the current prerequisites are for taking the DP
> exam? I was told that if you have the CCNP you can write the DP exam
without
> writing the DA exam first. Is this true? I am hearing now that you must
> write the DA exam as well.
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CCDP Prerequisites? [7:44966]

2002-05-24 Thread Miguel Mitras

Hi
Can anyone tell me what the current prerequisites are for taking the DP
exam? I was told that if you have the CCNP you can write the DP exam without
writing the DA exam first. Is this true? I am hearing now that you must
write the DA exam as well.

Unfair, it seems.


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Re: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)

On Sep 1, 10:22am, "sam sneed" wrote:
} ""Patrick Bass""  wrote:
} > ""[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)""  wrote:
} > > On Aug 31,  1:18pm, "Patrick Bass" wrote:
} > > }
} > > } To be a CCDP you need CCDA certification, CID exam plus Routing (or
} > BSCI),
} > > } Switching, and Remote Access (or you can just take Foundations exam
} and
} > > skip
} > > } the Routing, Switching and Remote Access).
} > > }
} > > } Check out this URL for CCDP
} >
}
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccdp.h
} > > } tml
} > >
} > >  You had better go read that page again.  It contains a box that
} says:
} > >
} > >  CCDP Prerequisites
} > >  Valid CCNA and CCDA certifications
} >
} > I'm sooo embarassed! :-)
}
} Don't be, this looks like its relatively new. I remember looking into CCDA
} 6-9 months ago. You did not need CCNA to get CCDA back then. They were
} totally seperate tracks.I'm sure of it.

 Time to read again...  You don't need a CCNA to get a CCDA, but
you do need it to get an CCDP.

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Re: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-11 Thread Clayton Dukes

They are separate tracks, but you have always needed the CCNA before you
were awarded the CCDA.


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From: "sam sneed" 
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Subject: Re: CCDP [7:41071]


> Don't be, this looks like its relatively new. I remember looking into CCDA
> 6-9 months ago. You did not need CCNA to get CCDA back then. They were
> totally seperate tracks.I'm sure of it.
>
>
> ""Patrick Bass""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I'm sooo embarassed! :-)
> >
> >
> > ""[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)""  wrote in
> > message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Aug 31,  1:18pm, "Patrick Bass" wrote:
> > > }
> > > } To be a CCDP you need CCDA certification, CID exam plus Routing (or
> > BSCI),
> > > } Switching, and Remote Access (or you can just take Foundations exam
> and
> > > skip
> > > } the Routing, Switching and Remote Access).
> > > }
> > > } Check out this URL for CCDP
> > > }
> > >
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccdp.h
> > > } tml
> > >
> > >  You had better go read that page again.  It contains a box that
> says:
> > >
> > >  CCDP Prerequisites
> > >  Valid CCNA and CCDA certifications
> > >
> > > }-- End of excerpt from "Patrick Bass"




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Re: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-11 Thread sam sneed

Don't be, this looks like its relatively new. I remember looking into CCDA
6-9 months ago. You did not need CCNA to get CCDA back then. They were
totally seperate tracks.I'm sure of it.


""Patrick Bass""  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm sooo embarassed! :-)
>
>
> ""[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)""  wrote in
> message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Aug 31,  1:18pm, "Patrick Bass" wrote:
> > }
> > } To be a CCDP you need CCDA certification, CID exam plus Routing (or
> BSCI),
> > } Switching, and Remote Access (or you can just take Foundations exam
and
> > skip
> > } the Routing, Switching and Remote Access).
> > }
> > } Check out this URL for CCDP
> > }
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccdp.h
> > } tml
> >
> >  You had better go read that page again.  It contains a box that
says:
> >
> >  CCDP Prerequisites
> >  Valid CCNA and CCDA certifications
> >
> > }-- End of excerpt from "Patrick Bass"




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Re: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Bass

I'm sooo embarassed! :-)


""[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)""  wrote in
message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Aug 31,  1:18pm, "Patrick Bass" wrote:
> }
> } To be a CCDP you need CCDA certification, CID exam plus Routing (or
BSCI),
> } Switching, and Remote Access (or you can just take Foundations exam and
> skip
> } the Routing, Switching and Remote Access).
> }
> } Check out this URL for CCDP
> }
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccdp.h
> } tml
>
>      You had better go read that page again.  It contains a box that says:
>
>  CCDP Prerequisites
>  Valid CCNA and CCDA certifications
>
> }-- End of excerpt from "Patrick Bass"




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Re: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)

On Aug 31,  1:18pm, "Patrick Bass" wrote:
} 
} To be a CCDP you need CCDA certification, CID exam plus Routing (or BSCI),
} Switching, and Remote Access (or you can just take Foundations exam and
skip
} the Routing, Switching and Remote Access).
} 
} Check out this URL for CCDP
}
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccdp.h
} tml

 You had better go read that page again.  It contains a box that says:

 CCDP Prerequisites
 Valid CCNA and CCDA certifications

}-- End of excerpt from "Patrick Bass"




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Re: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread Patrick Bass

You don't need CCNA to be a CCDA ; they are seperate tracks:

Check out this URL:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccda.h
tml

To be a CCDP you need CCDA certification, CID exam plus Routing (or BSCI),
Switching, and Remote Access (or you can just take Foundations exam and skip
the Routing, Switching and Remote Access).

Check out this URL for CCDP
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/ccdp.h
tml

So, to be a CCDP you need:

CCDA (NOT CCNA)
Routing (or BSCI)
Switching
Remote Access
CID

or

CCDA
Foundations Exam
CID

Pretty simple, huh?  All this and much more exciting information is on
www.cisco.com/go/certifications



""Andy Barkl""  wrote in message
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> You must have the CCNA, CCDA, and the 3 CCNP exams (routing, switching,
> and remote access), to qualify for the CCDP.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCDP [7:41071]
>
> As a CCNP with out taking the CCDA exam, will taking the CID allow me
> get
> the CCDP w/out taking the CCDA?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris




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RE: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread Sean Knox

Doh, forget to include the CCDA! My bad.

Sean

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From: John Nemeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:23 PM
To: Sean Knox; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Aug 31, 11:40am, "Sean Knox" wrote:
}
} You need the CCNA to get the CCNP. So, to summarize:

} - CCDP
} * Valid CCNA
} ** Valid CCNP
} CID test

 Actually, you need valid CCNA, valid CCDA, Routing, Switching,
Remote Access, and CID (see http://www.cisco.com/go/ccdp/ ).  Of
course, once you have all this, you just need one more test
(Troubleshooting) in order to get CCNP as well, so you might as well
get it.

 One curious thing is that you no longer need CCNA to CCDA, i.e. it
is standalone (see http://www.cisco.com/go/ccda/ ).

}-- End of excerpt from "Sean Knox"




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RE: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)

On Aug 31, 11:40am, "Sean Knox" wrote:
}
} You need the CCNA to get the CCNP. So, to summarize:

} - CCDP
} * Valid CCNA
} ** Valid CCNP
} CID test

 Actually, you need valid CCNA, valid CCDA, Routing, Switching,
Remote Access, and CID (see http://www.cisco.com/go/ccdp/ ).  Of
course, once you have all this, you just need one more test
(Troubleshooting) in order to get CCNP as well, so you might as well
get it.

 One curious thing is that you no longer need CCNA to CCDA, i.e. it
is standalone (see http://www.cisco.com/go/ccda/ ).

}-- End of excerpt from "Sean Knox"




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RE: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread Sean Knox

You need the CCNA to get the CCNP. So, to summarize:

- CCNA
CCNA Test, No Prerequisites

- CCNP
* Valid CCNA
Routing, Switching, Remote, and Troubleshooting tests (or foundation)

- CCDP
* Valid CCNA
** Valid CCNP
CID test

The CCIE doesn't require any previous certs.

- Sean
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Ricky Chan
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:09 PM
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Subject: RE: CCDP [7:41071]


No. Just you need CCDA, routing, switching, remote and Design to be CCDP. No
need to have CCNA.

Ricky

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From: Andy Barkl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:32 PM
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Subject: RE: CCDP [7:41071]


You must have the CCNA, CCDA, and the 3 CCNP exams (routing, switching,
and remote access), to qualify for the CCDP.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:48 AM
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Subject: CCDP [7:41071]

As a CCNP with out taking the CCDA exam, will taking the CID allow me
get
the CCDP w/out taking the CCDA?

Regards,

Chris




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RE: CCDP [7:41071]

2002-04-10 Thread Larry Letterman

The CCDA requires the CCNA, so in effect you need
a CCNA, CCDA, bcmsn, bcran, bscn and CID to get the
CCDP.


Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


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Andy Barkl
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: CCDP [7:41071]


I am sorry but you are incorrect.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/lan2/programs/cc
dp.html



-Original Message-
From: Ricky Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: 'Andy Barkl'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCDP [7:41071]

No. Just you need CCDA, routing, switching, remote and Design to be
CCDP. No
need to have CCNA.

Ricky

-Original Message-
From: Andy Barkl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCDP [7:41071]


You must have the CCNA, CCDA, and the 3 CCNP exams (routing, switching,
and remote access), to qualify for the CCDP.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCDP [7:41071]

As a CCNP with out taking the CCDA exam, will taking the CID allow me
get
the CCDP w/out taking the CCDA?

Regards,

Chris




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