RE: Possible phony CCIE
He is phony because he BSed about SMB traffic being caused by pings. We've all run into these balloon types. They are annoying. I'm glad he got caught. Priscilla At 12:54 PM 10/23/00, Nnanna Obuba wrote: Because he does not know about a bug in checkpoint he is a phony CCIE? In case you jave forgotten, CCIE means certified CISCO Internetwork Expert... give the guy a break Nnanna --- Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
Re: Possible phony CCIE
I think you have done your part and acted responsibly. It is up to Cisco, having the information to act as necessary. It could be injurious to the person if in fact here is a possibilty that he does have the credential. In any event, you are doing yourself no favors taking the matter any further than you have. Just me thoughts. Curtis From: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Tim O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:56:51 -0400 Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible phony CCIE
Well, I must admit that when I was a God in the NOS world (past tense - well, doing more Cisco work than NOS nowadays) the small fundamentals might sometimes get forgot if you don't use them anymore. I remember getting questions wrong on an exam that had to do with a user menu. I used the constituent parts of the menu program directly and I couldn't remember what the user menu looked like let alone what options were on them. but I got the work done just as well and faster. I'm not sure what your involvement in the suspect's hiring was but it is accepted practice to get the CCIE#. I don't know if I'd make any noises until I had that. If he is fake and provides a number then he is definitely in trouble. He could be an "expired" CCIE, which really is not a CCIE - 314 were knocked off the rolls lately, which means he would still be in trouble if the position required a "current" CCIE. In any event - ratting him out "after the fact" wouldn't look professional in my opinion, especially since you have left the account. The necessary action is for management. If he is performing to their expectations it would be difficult for you to say anything unless you can prove the fraud. If you can prove the fraud, turn him in. If not, it's not your place and it could hurt you in the end. Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP. - Original Message - From: "Tim O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Cisco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possible phony CCIE
Nnanna - You mean you didn't study that chapter while preparing for your Cisco certs? -Original Message- From: Nnanna Obuba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:54 PM To: Mark Cohen; Raul F. Fernandez; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Because he does not know about a bug in checkpoint he is a phony CCIE? In case you jave forgotten, CCIE means certified CISCO Internetwork Expert... give the guy a break Nnanna --- Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
RE: Possible phony CCIE
Gee, Maybe a few of us should get together and meet him in the parking lot one night. Who wants to carry the pillowcase with the doorknobs in it??? From: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
RE: Possible phony CCIE
So, in fact, you do not even know yourself what the real problem was and you are relying on what hear say. The best way to determine who is correct is to go investigate this for yourself. The individual must know something as he is still on the job. Believe me, at that level, if he is a phoney; he will soon be discovered, probably fired and possibly prosecuted. Use your energy to develop yourself and do what you get paid for. Suppose you are wrong, you could create a seriously painful and unpleasant situation for an individual. My opinion Makeeda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Cohen Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:36 PM To: Raul F. Fernandez; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here.
RE: Possible phony CCIE
I am not concerned with the personality behavior and/or operational task(s). But would you like to be treated by a FAKE medical doctor ? represented by a FAKE lawyer? etc... So, the fundamental issue here is: "one shall NOT claim what one is not!". Simple enough! hv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam LI Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:03 PM To: Brad Beck; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Hey, there are too many different kind of people around, some of them are really keen on being the real one, some of them simply go for the test(s) and get the title and that all. attitude changes when they are all the way up along their career path, I don;t care who he/she is a real one or not, as long as they can help and get the job done. I came across a lot of this type of people. Wether you arre good or bad, the people in this industry konw you Sam Li - Original Message - From: Brad Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE It seems rather silly to me that a CCIE would suggest that a Sun box would "flood the wire with excessive SMB traffic". I'm not saying this rules this man out of being CCIE, just that the diagnoses is a poor one coming from anyone, even if they don't know about FW1. -Brad At 12:54 PM 10/23/00 -0700, Nnanna Obuba wrote: Because he does not know about a bug in checkpoint he is a phony CCIE? In case you jave forgotten, CCIE means certified CISCO Internetwork Expert... give the guy a break Nnanna --- Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router sy
RE: Possible phony CCIE
This seems to have opened a large debate. I have to say my feelings about it are mixed. One the one hand, a person should not be allowed to misrepresent this certification. Cisco should be able to verify quickly and with accuracy whether or not he is in fact a CCIE. On the other hand, the originator of this thread struck me as a little intense. In truth, I am glad that I am not working in any environment with such a person. If I was I would maintain a big distance as there seems to be a bit of a witch hunt flavor to his tone. Whatever good intent there may have been initially seems lost in his enthusiasm. And it makes me wonder what the deal is with him. In honesty, I have periods where I somethines feel ike a fraud myself. Although I work very hard to learn and to be competent, people always are asking for things that fall outside my immediate areas of study and focus. I think some of the greatest people in their fields in the world have to sometimes feel like frauds. I do sometimes as well. But it is magnified by the unrealistic expectations that people place on you when they have decided that you are an expert and should know all of the answers off the top of your head. From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ick daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:16:51 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, ick daniels wrote: How do you know he is not certified. By sending a mail to Cisco. Pleaseee. I just tried it by sending a card of someone who is a CCIE and i got a reply that he does not exist. If you doubt his credentials be a man Ick, do you mind sharing the name of the CCIE (or number)? Because if what you say is true, then this is very bad. Cisco is very good about tracking CCIE's and making it easy to verify them. If you are a CCIE and go for a job, its very possible that the employer may pre-screen you by verifying your authenticitythis is more than just skill at stake here, for example a cisco partner needs CCIE for its qualification for say gold status. If cisco is falsly invalidating CCIE's its important it is addressed. When you email the address to verify a CCIE, its not like it goes to a black hole. It gets routed to someone who takes care of it...or should. brian --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a message dated 10/25/00 8:55:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This seems to have opened a large debate. I have to say my feelings about it are mixed. One the one hand, a person should not be allowed to misrepresent this certification. Cisco should be able to verify quickly and with accuracy whether or not he is in fact a CCIE. On the other hand, the originator of this thread struck me as a little intense. In truth, I am glad that I am not working in any environment with such a person. If I was I would maintain a big distance as there seems to be a bit of a witch hunt flavor to his tone. Whatever good intent there may have been initially seems lost in his enthusiasm. And it makes me wonder what the deal is with him. In honesty, I have periods where I somethines feel ike a fraud myself. Although I work very hard to learn and to be competent, people always are asking for things that fall outside my immediate areas of study and focus. I think some of the greatest people in their fields in the world have to sometimes feel like frauds. I do sometimes as well. But it is magnified by the unrealistic expectations that people place on you when they have decided that you are an expert and should know all of the answers off the top of your head. Quality post. I agree with you 100%...Bravo! Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP A HREF="mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" ~Mark Zabludovsky~ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But will this satisfy the evident "bloodlust" out there ? The pillowcase with the doorknobs is a reasonable start , but I can't help thinking that will only have the masses howling for more... Perhaps adding special castration pliers , the old bamboo up the fingernails and an iron maiden or two will suffice . Then some kind of court type situation would probably help , I know a guy selling cheap Kangaroos if that's any help. If the passions still haven't abated at that point , going to Salem and checking out the witches is an option , Rgrds - Original Message - From: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Gee, Maybe a few of us should get together and meet him in the parking lot one night. Who wants to carry the pillowcase with the doorknobs in it??? From: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this perso
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How many useless replies do we need on this topic ? -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:21 PM To: Mark Cohen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie. - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I dunno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many useless replies do we need on this topic ? -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:21 PM To: Mark Cohen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie. - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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he! he! he! you forgot the FLAME THROWER. oops! perhaps you are having a ccie moment and forgot something. Makeeda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kane Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:05 AM To: Dale Holmes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE But will this satisfy the evident "bloodlust" out there ? The pillowcase with the doorknobs is a reasonable start , but I can't help thinking that will only have the masses howling for more... Perhaps adding special castration pliers , the old bamboo up the fingernails and an iron maiden or two will suffice . Then some kind of court type situation would probably help , I know a guy selling cheap Kangaroos if that's any help. If the passions still haven't abated at that point , going to Salem and checking out the witches is an option , Rgrds - Original Message - From: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Gee, Maybe a few of us should get together and meet him in the parking lot one night. Who wants to carry the pillowcase with the doorknobs in it??? From: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this
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thanks Elaine, I'm sick at home and that made me chuckle.. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Elaine Poulsen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 October, 2000 11:09 Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE I dunno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many useless replies do we need on this topic ? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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CCO said 64...an unverified CCIE here said 65 -Original Message- From: Elaine Poulsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE I dunno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many useless replies do we need on this topic ? -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:21 PM To: Mark Cohen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie. - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thought the IETF standard was 53...no wait, that was ATM, never mind! LAB Since time immemorial and pre-industrial, 'greed' has been the accusation hurled at the rich by the concrete-bound illiterates who were unable to conceive of the source of wealth or of the motivation of those who produce it. -- Ayn Rand -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE CCO said 64...an unverified CCIE here said 65 -Original Message- From: Elaine Poulsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE I dunno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many useless replies do we need on this topic ? -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:21 PM To: Mark Cohen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie. - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey mate - you just leave our kangaroos out of this or you may have your own problems. -Original Message- From: Jean Stockton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2000 12:58 To: Kane; Dale Holmes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE he! he! he! you forgot the FLAME THROWER. oops! perhaps you are having a ccie moment and forgot something. Makeeda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kane Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:05 AM To: Dale Holmes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE But will this satisfy the evident "bloodlust" out there ? The pillowcase with the doorknobs is a reasonable start , but I can't help thinking that will only have the masses howling for more... Perhaps adding special castration pliers , the old bamboo up the fingernails and an iron maiden or two will suffice . Then some kind of court type situation would probably help , I know a guy selling cheap Kangaroos if that's any help. If the passions still haven't abated at that point , going to Salem and checking out the witches is an option , Rgrds - Original Message - From: "Dale Holmes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Gee, Maybe a few of us should get together and meet him in the parking lot one night. Who wants to carry the pillowcase with the doorknobs in it??? From: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fel
RE: Phony CCIE
Should I conclude that after all the studies and sacrifices and expenses, when I become a ccie, I am not allowed to forget any of the things that I have learnt, and must remember CCO line by line? And if I dare to forget, then immediately I turn into a bonehead? Bernard Doesn't the 'E' in CCIE actually stand for Expert? Not only is this guy a phony, but kind of a bonehead as well. Definitely let Cisco (mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) know. See http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ for the logo. Good luck, Chuck Church CCNP, CCDP, MCNE, MCSE Sr. Network Engineer Magnacom Technologies 140 N. Rt. 303 Valley Cottage, NY 10989 845-267-4000 x218 I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How do you know he is not certified. By sending a mail to Cisco. Pleaseee. I just tried it by sending a card of someone who is a CCIE and i got a reply that he does not exist. If you doubt his credentials be a man and challenge him. Just because you asked a question about firewall and he doesn't know means nothing. Networks is a vast field, there are so many areas to dive into. Not everyone would do it all. In my case i deal exclusively with designs in fault management and WAN. I don't configure routers and the rest. If you ask me something that the fix was a bug in a software i would not know because i deal on a higher level design. So let us give the guy a break, he must be doing something right if he is still there. I hope there is no problem between the two of you because i don't see how anyone would take time out to check his credentials and still do his job. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, ick daniels wrote: How do you know he is not certified. By sending a mail to Cisco. Pleaseee. I just tried it by sending a card of someone who is a CCIE and i got a reply that he does not exist. If you doubt his credentials be a man Ick, do you mind sharing the name of the CCIE (or number)? Because if what you say is true, then this is very bad. Cisco is very good about tracking CCIE's and making it easy to verify them. If you are a CCIE and go for a job, its very possible that the employer may pre-screen you by verifying your authenticitythis is more than just skill at stake here, for example a cisco partner needs CCIE for its qualification for say gold status. If cisco is falsly invalidating CCIE's its important it is addressed. When you email the address to verify a CCIE, its not like it goes to a black hole. It gets routed to someone who takes care of it...or should. brian --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wouldn't drop it. You don't want to accuse someone unnecessarily, but if someone at the CCIE program stated that the card was bogus, I assume that they did a name lookup and found he wasn't certified. You may want to pursue this on two fronts: 1) contact the people employing this guy and tell them that you're concerned that he's misrepresented himself to them and that they should ask for his CCIE number and then follow up with Cisco to verify. 2) Contact your local Cisco rep (if you don't know where to find them, call Cisco and ask who covers your region) and let them know what's going on. If you don't follow up on both fronts, you may find that Company A fires the guy and he turns around and goes to work at Company B. If Cisco is aware, a cease-and-desist letter from their attorneys may be enough to stop his misrepresentation. It really annoys me when people misrepresent themselves (I see it occasionally on resumes I receive). The damage that someone like this can do to the CCIE reputation is enormous. I have a great deal of respect for those people who have put themselves, and their families, through the wringer just to get the coveted CCIE number. I personally would like to see the con artists loudly, and publicly, denounced as such. Just be sure that you have all the facts before you say anything. No one's reputation should be impugned without absolute proof of wrongdoing. Just my $0.02... Craig _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well." Did you write that as it is seen on the card? I'm pretty sure the E stands for expert, not engineer. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Cohen Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wouldn't drop it. You don't want to accuse someone unnecessarily, but if someone at the CCIE program stated that the card was bogus, I assume that they did a name lookup and found he wasn't certified. You may want to pursue this on two fronts: 1) contact the people employing this guy and tell them that you're concerned that he's misrepresented himself to them and that they should ask for his CCIE number and then follow up with Cisco to verify. 2) Contact your local Cisco rep (if you don't know where to find them, call Cisco and ask who covers your region) and let them know what's going on. If you don't follow up on both fronts, you may find that Company A fires the guy and he turns around and goes to work at Company B. If Cisco is aware, a cease-and-desist letter from their attorneys may be enough to stop his misrepresentation. It really annoys me when people misrepresent themselves. The damage that someone like this can do to the CCIE reputation is enormous. Just my $0.02... Craig At 03:55 AM 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Possible phony CCIE
Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You actually never know what a Guy knows. I have an ex-coworker that is a CCIE. He got recruited by Xedia Corp 3 years ago.He had to learn there routers and technology. And also he works mostly with ISP's now. His Cisco knowledge has slipped and the first to go is basic concepts. He still knows Cisco, but to someone who works with it everyday he might seem like a dumb CCIE. Now if he comes back to the Cisco side of the track, yeah he will get job offers and a good position. But to the common Engineer ready to critique him, he will seem quite a bit of a Cisco poser. Derek S. Winchester Sr. WAN Engineer(CCNP) Data Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 410-953-4887 Cell: 443-562-3456 -Original Message- From: Raul F. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possible phony CCIE
Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/lis
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Thanks folks for the input. Checkpoint has today told me that the CCSA on his business card is phony as well. They suggested I scan the card and attatch it to an e-mail addressed to them and copy the client as well. That way, THEY can debunk the info on the card and I am shielded from any liability. I am going to call Microsoft tday and find out about the MCSE he lists on it too. The IEEE membership he advertises is true. Anyone can join the IEEE and get an email alias ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for about $100US. Later I will post the scan of the card to this list. You guys can form your own opinions. -Original Message- From: Mark Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possible phony CCIE
Because he does not know about a bug in checkpoint he is a phony CCIE? In case you jave forgotten, CCIE means certified CISCO Internetwork Expert... give the guy a break Nnanna --- Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list
RE: Possible phony CCIE
I just want to add this . What is your point Mr. Mark Cohen are you a CCIE and if not then why dont you work on it to replace this guy you seem to have it in for .. Geezzz Give it a break . I didnt sign up for the Cisco NDA List Hey everyone who wants to sign up for the Cisco NDA mailing list eaqh week we single out 1 person who broke the NDA and scrutinize him for what he doesnt know .. Geeez lets get back to IOS my 2 cents jim K (More Certs then mark !) Mark no pun intended From: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Raul F. Fernandez" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscripti
RE: Possible phony CCIE
As you know all CCIEs list the cert# on their business card; to me it is a form of validation. May be it is rare, but I have not seen any without the cert#. My .02 hv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Winchester, Derek S. Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:46 AM To: 'Raul F. Fernandez'; Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE You actually never know what a Guy knows. I have an ex-coworker that is a CCIE. He got recruited by Xedia Corp 3 years ago.He had to learn there routers and technology. And also he works mostly with ISP's now. His Cisco knowledge has slipped and the first to go is basic concepts. He still knows Cisco, but to someone who works with it everyday he might seem like a dumb CCIE. Now if he comes back to the Cisco side of the track, yeah he will get job offers and a good position. But to the common Engineer ready to critique him, he will seem quite a bit of a Cisco poser. Derek S. Winchester Sr. WAN Engineer(CCNP) Data Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 410-953-4887 Cell: 443-562-3456 -Original Message- From: Raul F. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations
Re: Phony CCIE
Doesn't the 'E' in CCIE actually stand for Expert? Not only is this guy a phony, but kind of a bonehead as well. Definitely let Cisco (mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) know. See http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ for the logo. Good luck, Chuck Church CCNP, CCDP, MCNE, MCSE Sr. Network Engineer Magnacom Technologies 140 N. Rt. 303 Valley Cottage, NY 10989 845-267-4000 x218 I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible phony CCIE
Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie. - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Possible phony CCIE
What are you kidding with this one. This guy don't know about a bug in software and you think he is not a ccie. Then after this blather you make the brilliant statement this is what the data center manager told me. You were playing with the network and you brought down the firewall and you want to check somebody elses credentials. Or maybe there is a valid reason to ping a large number of hosts simultaneously, could you tell us what that reason is. Duck - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Raul F. Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Repor
RE: Possible phony CCIE - Thanks - we get the picture
Thanks caped crusaders - I'll sleep well tonight knowing the planet is safe from those dastardly CCIE impersonators! What fate awaits these villains - 8-10 with hard labour? Please guys, I know you are only having your .02 worth but all the .02's add up to a whole lot of irrelevant 'material' in my inbox. -Original Message- From: hao vu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2000 6:19 To: 'Winchester, Derek S.'; 'Raul F. Fernandez'; 'Tim O'Brien'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Cisco' Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE As you know all CCIEs list the cert# on their business card; to me it is a form of validation. May be it is rare, but I have not seen any without the cert#. My .02 hv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Winchester, Derek S. Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:46 AM To: 'Raul F. Fernandez'; Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE You actually never know what a Guy knows. I have an ex-coworker that is a CCIE. He got recruited by Xedia Corp 3 years ago.He had to learn there routers and technology. And also he works mostly with ISP's now. His Cisco knowledge has slipped and the first to go is basic concepts. He still knows Cisco, but to someone who works with it everyday he might seem like a dumb CCIE. Now if he comes back to the Cisco side of the track, yeah he will get job offers and a good position. But to the common Engineer ready to critique him, he will seem quite a bit of a Cisco poser. Derek S. Winchester Sr. WAN Engineer(CCNP) Data Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 410-953-4887 Cell: 443-562-3456 -Original Message- From: Raul F. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _
Re: Possible phony CCIE
I thought CCIE stood for Cisco Certified Internetworking Expert. I believe Engineer has legal ramifications. I am sure you can ask for his number then check with Cisco. There has to be some verification system. Paul Borghese - Original Message - From: "Tim O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Cisco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possible phony CCIE
It seems rather silly to me that a CCIE would suggest that a Sun box would "flood the wire with excessive SMB traffic". I'm not saying this rules this man out of being CCIE, just that the diagnoses is a poor one coming from anyone, even if they don't know about FW1. -Brad At 12:54 PM 10/23/00 -0700, Nnanna Obuba wrote: Because he does not know about a bug in checkpoint he is a phony CCIE? In case you jave forgotten, CCIE means certified CISCO Internetwork Expert... give the guy a break Nnanna --- Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul- I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that would bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50 hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software had a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces. My excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data center manager told me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Dear folks, I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to find it. Raul -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondi
RE: Possible phony CCIE
It is Expert. Engineer is used in MCSE and the CNE certifications. In all reality the CCIE should be Engineer as the magnitude of difficulty compared to MCSE or CNE is enormous in comparision. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Borghese Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:22 PM To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE I thought CCIE stood for Cisco Certified Internetworking Expert. I believe Engineer has legal ramifications. I am sure you can ask for his number then check with Cisco. There has to be some verification system. Paul Borghese - Original Message - From: "Tim O'Brien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Cisco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets face it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything, and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco to deal with as they see fit. .02 Tim - Original Message - From: "Sam LI" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mark Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the past - Original Message - From: Mark Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Possible phony CCIE Greetings- I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking this person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his CCIE number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she would send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should do now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of my cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't doing anything to protect us here. Mark Cohen CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
