Stus-List Winter in FL
Sunday here was- Sunny, 80F, SE 10-15 clocking to SW. Went for nice sail on the river- no problem except for all the snowbirds from Canada motoring about. (they seem to like to fly a Canadian courtesy flag. Guess it is a courtesy to warn others ;-) Reality sets in today as front comes through and we're headed to the mid-40's F. But that is ok- got to work this week and it should warm up by next weekend. Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winter in FL
That's the Canadian Armed Forces on patrol. If you give them beer, they won't bother you. Rich On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:33, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: Sunday here was- Sunny, 80F, SE 10-15 clocking to SW. Went for nice sail on the river- no problem except for all the snowbirds from Canada motoring about. (they seem to like to fly a Canadian courtesy flag. Guess it is a courtesy to warn others ;-) Reality sets in today as front comes through and we're headed to the mid-40's F. But that is ok- got to work this week and it should warm up by next weekend. Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 34 - Vancouver - $20,000
I like the price. But I have a good boat. Mama will not lit me keep 2. : ( On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Peter Fell prf...@gmail.com wrote: Looks interesting: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/boa/4224818718.html ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List (no subject)
Its not working On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, andrew rothweiler andy...@att.net wrote: Regarding the CNC Photo Album site, I've tried several times clicking in the Classified Ads button, but can't get it to open. Could be my randomly faulty computer; otherwise, is the classified section working? Thanks ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List (no subject)
Just tried the Classified Ads section, works fine for me but takes 5-10 seconds to load.there is not much on it but it does work, at least on my machine _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Sent: January 6, 2014 9:22 AM To: andrew rothweiler; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject) Its not working On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, andrew rothweiler andy...@att.net wrote: Regarding the CNC Photo Album site, I've tried several times clicking in the Classified Ads button, but can't get it to open. Could be my randomly faulty computer; otherwise, is the classified section working? Thanks ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world. - Nicholas Monsarrat _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6479 - Release Date: 01/06/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List (no subject)
Try right-clicking on the button and ‘open in new tab’'. Takes a long time to open but it did for me. Ads (all 3 of them!) have quite a delay on them too. From: Curtis Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:22 AM To: andrew rothweiler ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List (no subject) Its not working On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, andrew rothweiler andy...@att.net wrote: Regarding the CNC Photo Album site, I've tried several times clicking in the Classified Ads button, but can't get it to open. Could be my randomly faulty computer; otherwise, is the classified section working? Thanks ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
My family has been around the Westport area since the 1600s, so I know a lot about it. It has a lot of nice features for sure, but “cheap living” wouldn’t be on the list anywhere. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives Rick, Please don't tell the list how cheap and wonderful it is to live in the South. We don't want them coming down here and crowding up the waters. :) Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List single handed docking
On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6477 - Release Date: 01/05/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List single handed docking
I've seen them in Bacon's. Never was willing to spend $100 + on it. Can you use it to drop a line over a piling? Joel Annapolis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote: On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6477 - Release Date: 01/05/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List winter in NS (and ON)
Not much to brag about, but I think we might take the cake for today’s weather: - -5 C and freezing rain from midnight till 7:00 - +5 C and rain at 9:00 - dropping down (quickly) to –25 C tonight (it is already –5 C at 11:30) I don’t even want to think about my driveway. There was about 10 mm of ice covering it this morning. At night (-20 C?) there would be no way of removing that ice (without anything short of a bulldozer) until it warms up. If you can’t beat it, you have to join it. I am going skiing after work. The master racing series starts tonight. leaving the dream... Marek (in Ottawa)___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: a good read
Excellent. Bill Coleman CC 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: a good read Thanks Harry. Great story for a winter day. Rich On Jan 3, 2014, at 18:23, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: This story was sent to me today...somewhat related to the tether thread... A http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/magazine/a-speck-in-the-sea.html?pagewant ed=2tntemail0=y_r=4emc=edit_tnt_20140102pagewanted=all Speck in the Sea - NYTimes.com Harry image001.gif___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets
Hi Keith Thanks so much for the input and agree totally. I'm thinking in heavy air , noise etc these would be a good option. The price is outrageous $179.00 ea. I was just thinking you 'boys' might have chatted about this at some point. Thanks again! Liz Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Liz, At the risk of over-simplifying things, Melody I use a wireless system that was developed long ago (when we had the 60' cutter). Hand signals. It only takes a few for the skipper to have complete control of the boat, with a good helmsman. On Sweet, we still use this system for anchoring. For docking maneuvers, we are both in the cockpit until the approach, where everything has been discussed (it is assumed) quietly. I step up near the shrouds with bow and mid spring and step on dock when alongside, she comes from the helm with the stern line if need be. Or I wander back after temporarily hitching the bow mid lines and retrieve it form her. Then tidy up the lines. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 02:15 PM 05/01/2014, you wrote: Looking for input and suggestions regarding these and other wireless headsets for communicating while docking, sailing. These are quite unique but also quite expensive...$179.00 ea. Any input or personal choice and experience appreciated. Best Regards Mistral V CC 35-1 Liz Mather Harbour West Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets
Liz On Alianna, communications between the boys is fine, it's when the gals get involved that I could use something in my ears (a translator maybe).that said, my wife has learned to drive the boat very well through most maneuvers where my skills and strength dictate what are my jobs and what are hers. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Liz Mather Sent: January 6, 2014 12:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets Hi Keith Thanks so much for the input and agree totally. I'm thinking in heavy air , noise etc these would be a good option. The price is outrageous $179.00 ea. I was just thinking you 'boys' might have chatted about this at some point. Thanks again! Liz Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Liz, At the risk of over-simplifying things, Melody I use a wireless system that was developed long ago (when we had the 60' cutter). Hand signals. It only takes a few for the skipper to have complete control of the boat, with a good helmsman. On Sweet, we still use this system for anchoring. For docking maneuvers, we are both in the cockpit until the approach, where everything has been discussed (it is assumed) quietly. I step up near the shrouds with bow and mid spring and step on dock when alongside, she comes from the helm with the stern line if need be. Or I wander back after temporarily hitching the bow mid lines and retrieve it form her. Then tidy up the lines. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 02:15 PM 05/01/2014, you wrote: Looking for input and suggestions regarding these and other wireless headsets for communicating while docking, sailing. These are quite unique but also quite expensive...$179.00 ea. Any input or personal choice and experience appreciated. Best Regards Mistral V CC 35-1 Liz Mather Harbour West Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6479 - Release Date: 01/06/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets
If they are Bluetooth, I question the 900 m range. BT is usually 10 m (30 ft) (Personal Area Network (PAN)) – and it should not reach further – it would cause interference with other devices. It can be a tad better on a boat (no interference, line of sight), but you might be right at the limit of range on anything bigger (30 ft plus). If they have the listed range (by boosting the transmit power), you may find some neighbours complaining about their Wi-Fi reception problems and interference with their BT devices. Marek (in Ottawa) __ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:19:31 -0400 From: Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets Message-ID: caabfp6r+d5jdkedyuafouhaef4qufbkjb4w3fog1ruu5gwu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 http://cruisingsolutions.com/product/my-team-talks-bluetooth-headsets/ Ken H. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets
Russ, that's what we do on my boat and with boats that I captain professionally. Even with new crew members, a few simple hand signals are easy to work out. The only time I'll go to headsets for communication is when the boat is so big that I can't see the other crewmembers. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Liz, At the risk of over-simplifying things, Melody I use a wireless system that was developed long ago (when we had the 60' cutter). Hand signals. It only takes a few for the skipper to have complete control of the boat, with a good helmsman. On *Sweet*, we still use this system for anchoring. For docking maneuvers, we are both in the cockpit until the approach, where everything has been discussed (it is assumed) quietly. I step up near the shrouds with bow and mid spring and step on dock when alongside, she comes from the helm with the stern line if need be. Or I wander back after temporarily hitching the bow mid lines and retrieve it form her. Then tidy up the lines. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35 mk-1 At 02:15 PM 05/01/2014, you wrote: Looking for input and suggestions regarding these and other wireless headsets for communicating while docking, sailing. These are quite unique but also quite expensive...$179.00 ea. Any input or personal choice and experience appreciated. Best Regards Mistral V CC 35-1 Liz Mather Harbour West Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis, You need to look into the offshore currents. Garmin, OpenCPN and other nav software will show them. Sounds like a great trip! Joel On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Did you referance a tides and current book? It will tell you the speed and direction of the current which you can add or subtract as a vector to your course and speed. You have to compensate the tide and cutrent to your specific location which adds even more difficulty. I kinda feel like it is a bit of an exercise in frustration though. Especially in a sailboat since any change in wind can have a significant change in VMG or course speed. Best use of the tide charts in my opinion is to ensure you are timing your trip with the current instead of against. It can make a huge difference. In fact many areas can expierience currents in excess of hull speed so despite your best efforts you will never make it to your destination. If tides and currents are strong in your area a rule of thumb is leave on high tide, return on low. 1-2 hours early doesn't hurt. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk On Jan 6, 2014 1:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis, are you planning on doing this in the near future? If so, are you prepared for some rather cold hours at sea? Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Yes Like I said I have the tide tables for my area. I will leave with the tide and return with the tide. What my question is how bad they effect is off shore? I understand the river and have sailed them 45 times in the last 2 years. Just need some advise for the off shore tide conditions. I see high and lows and when they are predicted , But along the beach to 10 miles out? does low tide go south and high go north? Does it go straight out to the east? Dumb question I know. Still learning this stuff. Sorry. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Did you referance a tides and current book? It will tell you the speed and direction of the current which you can add or subtract as a vector to your course and speed. You have to compensate the tide and cutrent to your specific location which adds even more difficulty. I kinda feel like it is a bit of an exercise in frustration though. Especially in a sailboat since any change in wind can have a significant change in VMG or course speed. Best use of the tide charts in my opinion is to ensure you are timing your trip with the current instead of against. It can make a huge difference. In fact many areas can expierience currents in excess of hull speed so despite your best efforts you will never make it to your destination. If tides and currents are strong in your area a rule of thumb is leave on high tide, return on low. 1-2 hours early doesn't hurt. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk On Jan 6, 2014 1:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
It was 60 degrees here yesterday. and will be in the teens tonight. I will pick a warmer window. I will not be cold. Will not much or I will not go.I hate cold, However I do have a sense of ergency. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com wrote: Curtis, are you planning on doing this in the near future? If so, are you prepared for some rather cold hours at sea? Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Really what you're going to feel most ten miles out is the effects of the Gulf Stream. usually in that area there's a back eddy that runs south along the coast, but there can also be a back eddy on the back eddy as you get farther and nearer. And it depends a lot on what the breeze has been doing over the past week or two. In and out of Port Royal Sound you will find it can be very rough when wind and tide are opposite. Take a look at the Gulf Stream section for your area on passageweather.comand you'll get an idea of what to expect of the currents. In the long run they are pretty negligable usually. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Like I said I have the tide tables for my area. I will leave with the tide and return with the tide. What my question is how bad they effect is off shore? I understand the river and have sailed them 45 times in the last 2 years. Just need some advise for the off shore tide conditions. I see high and lows and when they are predicted , But along the beach to 10 miles out? does low tide go south and high go north? Does it go straight out to the east? Dumb question I know. Still learning this stuff. Sorry. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Did you referance a tides and current book? It will tell you the speed and direction of the current which you can add or subtract as a vector to your course and speed. You have to compensate the tide and cutrent to your specific location which adds even more difficulty. I kinda feel like it is a bit of an exercise in frustration though. Especially in a sailboat since any change in wind can have a significant change in VMG or course speed. Best use of the tide charts in my opinion is to ensure you are timing your trip with the current instead of against. It can make a huge difference. In fact many areas can expierience currents in excess of hull speed so despite your best efforts you will never make it to your destination. If tides and currents are strong in your area a rule of thumb is leave on high tide, return on low. 1-2 hours early doesn't hurt. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk On Jan 6, 2014 1:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Overdress for the weather. And don't mess with the weather. If the forecast is iffy, don't go. It can be really snotty in that area. I never take chances there. I suggest you be part of a delivery crew a few times before going offshore by yourself. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: It was 60 degrees here yesterday. and will be in the teens tonight. I will pick a warmer window. I will not be cold. Will not much or I will not go.I hate cold, However I do have a sense of ergency. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com wrote: Curtis, are you planning on doing this in the near future? If so, are you prepared for some rather cold hours at sea? Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
I have sailed this area for the last 2 years. I know the sound very well. I have crossed the sound 4 or 5 times in foul weather. I have no intention of challenging the weather YET. I only want to start the training offshore. Straight out and back again. maybe 5 or 6 times going a little further each time. Getting confidence in the boat and in me and the gear. I will let plenty of folks know i'm going and I will pick a good window. leaving early 4:am or so in the am on an out going tide should put me back at the dock by 3:pm gives me 2.5 hours of daylight. I will take all safety precautions before I go. I'm thinking around march if the weather is nice. I do have to haul the boat first and get 2 sea-cock backing plates replaced and install my new transducer for the sonar. I got the new Garmin Echo 50s for Christmas and need it to do bottom soundings. I have an old Garmin 215 now that I will keep as a back up. I have an st4000 auto-helm and st50 speed, depth, wind, vmg that help alot whin I'm by my self. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote: Overdress for the weather. And don't mess with the weather. If the forecast is iffy, don't go. It can be really snotty in that area. I never take chances there. I suggest you be part of a delivery crew a few times before going offshore by yourself. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: It was 60 degrees here yesterday. and will be in the teens tonight. I will pick a warmer window. I will not be cold. Will not much or I will not go.I hate cold, However I do have a sense of ergency. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com wrote: Curtis, are you planning on doing this in the near future? If so, are you prepared for some rather cold hours at sea? Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Under deck windlass installation.
So, it’s winter and I’m getting back to refitting (restoration is probably a better word now after letting her go so long) Ronin and am working on shed/inside type jobs. I bought a Lewmar Pro-Series 1000 horizontal windlass. Right now I’ve taken a bunch of measurements and I am doing some rough drawings for mounting it inside the anchor locker, on a shelf bonded to the bulkhead and just under the anchor locker cover. Right off the bat it seems doable. Chain angle from the bow-roller is within tolerances; the chain/rode runs true when the windlass is offset to starboard and there is just enough chain-fall (~21”) to meet the manufacturer’s requirements. So, has anyone with a same or similar sized CC done something like this? Thoughts, pictures, links or just general “Be afraid!” comments? Cheers, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List single handed docking
On 2014/01/06 12:03 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: I've seen them in Bacon's. Never was willing to spend $100 + on it. Can you use it to drop a line over a piling? Simple answer is yes...but if you have a regular 'boat hook', and many of us do, you can drop a line over a piling with that to! Then you don't need one of these. Our marina system is 'slip based' with 'cleats', usually three (3) per 'slip' so this 'docking tool' can be very effectiveyou simply extend it and drop the loop over a cleat and pull.I have used it a few times and it reduced the stress from single handed docking. Our boat came with a biminiif it didn't, would a bimini be one of the first things I would buy as an upgradenot likelybut now that I have experienced one, I would not go without oneit works in good weather and bad weather. This 'docking tool' (whatever it is called) would I buy one, well now that I have one and used it, yep, for +$100 to make my docking(s) as stress free as possible, it's worth it. And $100 won't buy much in the way of gelcoat repair on your boat, or someone's elses. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List single handed docking
On 2014/01/06 12:03 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: I've seen them in Bacon's. Never was willing to spend $100 + on it. Can you use it to drop a line over a piling? Simple answer is yes...but if you have a regular 'boat hook', and many of us do, you can drop a line over a piling with that to! Our marina system is 'slip based' with 'cleats', usually three (3) per 'slip' so this 'docking tool' can be very effectiveyou simply extend it and drop the loop over a cleat and pull.I have used it a few times and it reduced the stress from single handed docking. Our boat came with a biminiif it didn't, would a bimini be one of the first things I would buy as an upgradenot likelybut now that I have experienced one, I would not go without oneit works in good weather and bad weather. This 'docking tool' (whatever it is called) would I buy one, well now that I have one and used it, yep, for +$100 to make my docking(s) as stress free as possible, it's worth it. And $100 won't buy much in the way of gelcoat repair on your boat, or someone's elses. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List single handed docking
On 2014/01/06 12:03 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: I've seen them in Bacon's. Never was willing to spend $100 + on it. Can you use it to drop a line over a piling? Joel Annapolis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6477 - Release Date: 01/05/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List single handed docking
On 2014/01/06 12:03 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: I've seen them in Bacon's. Never was willing to spend $100 + on it. Can you use it to drop a line over a piling? Can't see any reason why not, but a simple 'boat hook' and half the price can do the same thing'drop a line over a piling'. The marina system at our club has 'slips or fingers' (whatever they are called) with 'cleats', usually three (3) per slip, that this gismo can be very helpful in dockingstand on your boat, loop a cleat and pull.. Now that I have experienced one, wouldn't be without one on the boat (PS boat came with it, I didn't buy it) $100 won't buy a lot of gelcoat repair on your boat or some one's else(s).it's all just boat bucks! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis Remember, the ocean deserves a very healthy level of respect. I grew up in a fishing town, Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. The hundresd of names of family members lost at sea and now carved in stone serve to remind me. Those were good men and experienced sailors we lost. I have read your posts and the questions you have brought to this list for a quite a while now. I know nothing else about you but: I sense a bit much daring and less than enough caring in your level of respect for the ocean...it hardly ever is what you expect before you leave port, changes happen fast sometimes Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have sailed this area for the last 2 years. I know the sound very well. I have crossed the sound 4 or 5 times in foul weather. I have no intention of challenging the weather YET. I only want to start the training offshore. Straight out and back again. maybe 5 or 6 times going a little further each time. Getting confidence in the boat and in me and the gear. I will let plenty of folks know i'm going and I will pick a good window. leaving early 4:am or so in the am on an out going tide should put me back at the dock by 3:pm gives me 2.5 hours of daylight. I will take all safety precautions before I go. I'm thinking around march if the weather is nice. I do have to haul the boat first and get 2 sea-cock backing plates replaced and install my new transducer for the sonar. I got the new Garmin Echo 50s for Christmas and need it to do bottom soundings. I have an old Garmin 215 now that I will keep as a back up. I have an st4000 auto-helm and st50 speed, depth, wind, vmg that help alot whin I'm by my self. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote: Overdress for the weather. And don't mess with the weather. If the forecast is iffy, don't go. It can be really snotty in that area. I never take chances there. I suggest you be part of a delivery crew a few times before going offshore by yourself. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: It was 60 degrees here yesterday. and will be in the teens tonight. I will pick a warmer window. I will not be cold. Will not much or I will not go.I hate cold, However I do have a sense of ergency. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com wrote: Curtis, are you planning on doing this in the near future? If so, are you prepared for some rather cold hours at sea? Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation.
I mounted mine like that, I've got a Lewmar V2. It works well. You may want to mock it up in cheap plywood first, I had to cant my windlass up to best match up with the bow roller, and it let me get it raised as far as possible without hitting the locker lid. The one thing you might consider is adding something sacrificial where the chain will drag. Your geometry may be better, on mine the chain is clear of the deck when hauling the anchor, but if it goes at all slack when letting it out the chain will scuff deck just forward of the anchor locker. I put down a thin piece of starboard material there to avoid the problem. Let me know if you would like some pics. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-01-06 4:02 PM, Dave Godwin wrote: So, it’s winter and I’m getting back to refitting (restoration is probably a better word now after letting her go so long) Ronin and am working on shed/inside type jobs. I bought a Lewmar Pro-Series 1000 horizontal windlass. Right now I’ve taken a bunch of measurements and I am doing some rough drawings for mounting it inside the anchor locker, on a shelf bonded to the bulkhead and just under the anchor locker cover. Right off the bat it seems doable. Chain angle from the bow-roller is within tolerances; the chain/rode runs true when the windlass is offset to starboard and there is just enough chain-fall (~21”) to meet the manufacturer’s requirements. So, has anyone with a same or similar sized CC done something like this? Thoughts, pictures, links or just general “Be afraid!” comments? Cheers, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fwd: a good read
Mario at G-Captain has a slightly different view of it, which I agree with - I'm not on the ocean a fraction of the hours a fisherman is, yet I am willing to purchase and wear safety gear - why would a fisherman not be willing to carry an epirb? A handheld VHF? http://gcaptain.com/trying-very-hard-to-die/ Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rich Knowles *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2014 6:36 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: a good read Thanks Harry. Great story for a winter day. Rich On Jan 3, 2014, at 18:23, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: This story was sent to me today...somewhat related to the tether thread... A Speck in the Sea - NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/magazine/a-speck-in-the-sea.html?pagewanted=2tntemail0=y_r=4emc=edit_tnt_20140102pagewanted=all; Harry ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation.
Pierre, thanks for that. If you do have a picture handy I would love to give it a look. Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca wrote: This is exactly what the PO did on my CC 38-3. I will look if I have picture of the installation. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche, #54988 CC 38-3, WK De : Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : lundi 6 janvier 2014 15h02 Objet : Stus-List Under deck windlass installation. So, it’s winter and I’m getting back to refitting (restoration is probably a better word now after letting her go so long) Ronin and am working on shed/inside type jobs. I bought a Lewmar Pro-Series 1000 horizontal windlass. Right now I’ve taken a bunch of measurements and I am doing some rough drawings for mounting it inside the anchor locker, on a shelf bonded to the bulkhead and just under the anchor locker cover. Right off the bat it seems doable. Chain angle from the bow-roller is within tolerances; the chain/rode runs true when the windlass is offset to starboard and there is just enough chain-fall (~21”) to meet the manufacturer’s requirements. So, has anyone with a same or similar sized CC done something like this? Thoughts, pictures, links or just general “Be afraid!” comments? Cheers, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.comwrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of
Stus-List Fw: Under deck windlass installation.
Dave I did this shortly after I purchased Persuasion. I installed a vertical windlass and had to cut a hole in the anchor locker cover but the base installation could be the same for you. I didn't secure the mounting bracket to the bulkhead although it is against the bulkhead. Here is what I did. I took a bevel square and placed it against the bulkhead and the hull. This gave me the angle for the ends of the mounting platform. Next I measured the width of the bulkhead at the height I want the base. I took 2 pieces of 3/4 plywood and cut them to the angle and width of the bulkhead. The plan was to take these 2 pieces and wedge them into the locker and glass them to the bulkhead and hull just below the deck. Well there is no way to put them in place full length. I cut one piece of plywood about 8 from one side and the other piece 8 from the other side. Now I had 4 pieces and a mess on my hands. It's a good thing I have a good Admiral/apprentice. In the locker the Admiral/apprentice and I took 2 of the pieces and put them in place pushing the separate pieces hard against the side of the hull and bulkhead and took a piece of scrap plywood and screwed it to the bottom to hold theses pieces in place. Next we took the other to pieces and epoxied and screwed them to the top of the pieces that were already in place. Ensure the joints are staggered. Now remove the scrap from the bottom. When this all setup I couldn't move it but I did apply some glass at the hull. I believe I would pull the bow off the boat before this bracket would break. Unfortunately I didn't document the process with pictures. If you are in no rush I am going to the boat in the next week or 2 and could take a couple of pictures. If you have any particular questions please feel free to contact me off line. By the way the Admiral is OK with fulfilling those duties but she keeps telling me she didn't sign up in any to be an apprentice. Have you decided how you are going to power the windlass, dedicated battery or powered from the house battery. I did not use a dedicated battery. Let me know if you want info on my wiring process. Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 3:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation. So, it’s winter and I’m getting back to refitting (restoration is probably a better word now after letting her go so long) Ronin and am working on shed/inside type jobs. I bought a Lewmar Pro-Series 1000 horizontal windlass. Right now I’ve taken a bunch of measurements and I am doing some rough drawings for mounting it inside the anchor locker, on a shelf bonded to the bulkhead and just under the anchor locker cover. Right off the bat it seems doable. Chain angle from the bow-roller is within tolerances; the chain/rode runs true when the windlass is offset to starboard and there is just enough chain-fall (~21”) to meet the manufacturer’s requirements. So, has anyone with a same or similar sized CC done something like this? Thoughts, pictures, links or just general “Be afraid!” comments? Cheers, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Rich On Jan 6, 2014, at 18:06, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis,Tide and current are different - get a set of current charts. sam :-)CC 26 LiquoriceGhost Lake Alberta From: CurtisSent: Monday, January 6, 2014 12:16 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. "Need some Guidance"Yes Like I said I have the tide tables for my area. I will leave with the tide and return with the tide. What my question is how bad they effect is off shore? I understand the river and have sailed them 45 times in the last 2 years. Just need some advise for the off shore tide conditions. I see high and lows and when they are predicted , But along the beach to 10 miles out? does low tide go south and high go north? Does it go straight out to the east? Dumb question I know. Still learning this stuff. Sorry. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Did you referance a tides and current book? It will tell you the speed and direction of the current which you can add or subtract as a vector to your course and speed. You have to compensate the tide and cutrent to your specific location which adds even more difficulty. I kinda feel like it is a bit of an exercise in frustration though. Especially in a sailboat since any change in wind can have a significant change in VMG or course speed. Best use of the tide charts in my opinion is to ensure you are timing your trip with the current instead of against. It can make a huge difference. In fact many areas can expierience currents in excess of hull speed so despite your best efforts you will never make it to your destination. If tides and currents are strong in your area a rule of thumb is leave on high tide, return on low. 1-2 hours early doesn't hurt. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk On Jan 6, 2014 1:23 PM, "Curtis" cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the "R 4" F1 R4s @ 32-05,901"N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs.Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34minHere i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 minThen I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the "R 4" F1 R4s @ 32-05,901"N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question." If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed.All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation?Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT-- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Toronto Boat show
It’s that time of year again. Is anybody going to the TO boat show? Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice
Tape a bikini over the holes? Sorry, Edd. Couldn't help myself. :) Dennis C. From: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 4:22 PM Subject: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice Listers, The previous owner had some electronics installed (a LORAN, car stereo, old autopilot control, etc.) that I’m thinking of removing. I’d love to hear from people who have removed large units from their instrument panel and what you did with the rectangular holes left behind. Any advice, tips or photographs would be great. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Toronto Boat show
I'm there next Saturday. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-01-06 6:29 PM, Persuasion wrote: It's that time of year again. Is anybody going to the TO boat show? Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Did I read your initial post correctly, that you’re leaving at 4am and returning the same afternoon? A good long sail, but I’m not sure it’s really an “overnight.” And I agree with the earlier post: when I had my 30mkI, I figured on 5 knots as a best estimate of speed under good conditions. If you run into either very bad or very light conditions, all bets are off. If the weather is perfect, you’ll get in a little earlier than planned. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice
Hello Edd, If your instrument panels are the black plastic ones you could have three black anodised aluminium (or plastic) panels made to cover the entire area and make new cut-outs for your instruments. I think CC did this with some 37+'s from the factory. Here is a link to 4 different 37+'s with panels similar to what I'm describing: https://plus.google.com/photos/+KenHeaton/albums/5965919760515785377 Let me know if the link works. Ken H. On 6 January 2014 18:35, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I have seen black plastic starboard or other plastic in old and also new construction, works well. I got a roll of teak veneer to go over my bulkhead in front of the chart table, but have not decided to whether or not to use it yet. Bill Coleman CC 39 [image: animated_favicon1] *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd Schillay *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 5:23 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice Listers, The previous owner had some electronics installed (a LORAN, car stereo, old autopilot control, etc.) that I’m thinking of removing. I’d love to hear from people who have removed large units from their instrument panel and what you did with the rectangular holes left behind. Any advice, tips or photographs would be great. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Websitehttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.gif___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice
I used a fairly large panel of ½ teak plywood, edged with teak strips to hide the laminated edges, over the holes left by an old radio and the old Loran. I have since mounted the new VHF radio,, the stereo, and an older GPS (to provide position information to the DSC radio) into new openings cut into the teak panel. I can send you a photo off list if you are interested. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice Listers, The previous owner had some electronics installed (a LORAN, car stereo, old autopilot control, etc.) that Im thinking of removing. Id love to hear from people who have removed large units from their instrument panel and what you did with the rectangular holes left behind. Any advice, tips or photographs would be great. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List single handed docking
Rob, Sounds like something I could make this winter. Can you possibly send a picture? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:01:12 AM Subject: Stus-List single handed docking On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up alongside under sail, got a push off as soon as he stepped off and sailed away...came head to wind off port tack and the push sent us flying on starboard...Bob may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6477 - Release Date: 01/05/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice
I used white 1/4 inch Starboard to cover a speaker hole in the bulkhead after I discovered my new VHF didn't have a provision for a remote speaker. got it cheap, though! Beveled the edges and it looks good. Going to do the same with the stereo speakers, they seem to get banged by the crew and go bad in about two years. Gary - Original Message - From: Bill Coleman To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice I have seen black plastic starboard or other plastic in old and also new construction, works well. I got a roll of teak veneer to go over my bulkhead in front of the chart table, but have not decided to whether or not to use it yet. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Instrument Panel Advice Listers, The previous owner had some electronics installed (a LORAN, car stereo, old autopilot control, etc.) that I'm thinking of removing. I'd love to hear from people who have removed large units from their instrument panel and what you did with the rectangular holes left behind. Any advice, tips or photographs would be great. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.gif___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Whoa, Dwight. Lighten up. I realize Curtis is less experienced than some others on the list. I've already suggested he take a Power Squadron course or two to increase his knowledge, and others have suggested he sign on to help with a few offshore and/or ICW deliveries to gain experience. I personally think he could learn a lot, quickly, by crewing on someone else's boat in local races - nothing teaches you about sail trim or boat handling as fast as the focus that comes in racing. But he's only going to get experience if he gets away from the dock. I got mine in Lake Michigan, the Chesapeake, and Delaware Bay. And I did some stupid things, but I learned. Every one of us has some I could have died last night moments that we've learned from. I'm sure you started somewhere, too. As far as boat problems go: Heck, He's only going to be seaward of the channel buoys for about 13 nm - call it 3 or 4 hours. What makes you think his 30 is any worse condition or less capable than Alianna to handle a short trip near shore? If the steering breaks he'll need to do what I did and use sail trim to steer the boat home, or just call Seatow. Engine or electrical problems - heck it's a sailboat. If a seacock starts leaking close it, or put a wooden plug in it. Sure, when you go out on your boat you could die. You could get hit with the boom and die. The boat could sink and you die. You could get hit by another boat and die. You can get seasick and feel like you're going to die. You could be casually taking a leak, fall overboard, and die. Or you could avoid the risks, stay at home to sit on the couch watching TV, have an aneurism, and die. There are always risks; that's part of what makes sailing a challenge - and fun. OK. I'll get out of Wally mode now. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether.what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear.what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:0 0 http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07: 00max-results=3start=3by-date=false max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time.averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful.are you steaming all the way or sailing.Hope your motor is reliable and strong.if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing.will this be alone
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Agreed But July is nice. John Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: Whoa, Dwight. Lighten up. I realize Curtis is less experienced than some others on the list. I’ve already suggested he take a Power Squadron course or two to increase his knowledge, and others have suggested he sign on to help with a few offshore and/or ICW deliveries to gain experience. I personally think he could learn a lot, quickly, by crewing on someone else’s boat in local races – nothing teaches you about sail trim or boat handling as fast as the focus that comes in racing. But he’s only going to get experience if he gets away from the dock. I got mine in Lake Michigan, the Chesapeake, and Delaware Bay. And I did some stupid things, but I learned. Every one of us has some “I could have died last night” moments that we’ve learned from. I’m sure you started somewhere, too. As far as boat problems go: Heck, He’s only going to be seaward of the channel buoys for about 13 nm – call it 3 or 4 hours. What makes you think his 30 is any worse condition or less capable than Alianna to handle a short trip near shore? If the steering breaks he’ll need to do what I did and use sail trim to steer the boat home, or just call Seatow. Engine or electrical problems – heck it’s a sailboat. If a seacock starts leaking close it, or put a wooden plug in it. Sure, when you go out on your boat you could die. You could get hit with the boom and die. The boat could sink and you die. You could get hit by another boat and die. You can get seasick and feel like you’re going to die. You could be casually taking a leak, fall overboard, and die. Or you could avoid the risks, stay at home to sit on the couch watching TV, have an aneurism, and die. There are always risks; that’s part of what makes sailing a challenge – and fun. OK. I’ll get out of “Wally mode” now. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees – warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Normally I would encourage anyone to set and do what they're planning. In this case however - why in the world would you pick March to try your first near shore sail? Everyone's thinking it - I'm just saying. John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Well Rick, you have some answers to those questions but I was interested in what Curtis would do because I got a feeling that he has nowhere close to your level of experience. Get the man thinking about the what ifs so he considers the low probability stuff and has a good all round plan figured out. Maybe I was a bit heavy and I am sure I take unnecessary chances on my boat at times.in the end you are absolutely correct.it's his life so let him do what he wants the way he wants.I won't interfere again on this topic, like I said I don't know anymore about Curtis than what I surmise from his posts here. Good luck Curtis, forgive me please, no disrespect or offence intended Dwight _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: January 6, 2014 7:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Whoa, Dwight. Lighten up. I realize Curtis is less experienced than some others on the list. I've already suggested he take a Power Squadron course or two to increase his knowledge, and others have suggested he sign on to help with a few offshore and/or ICW deliveries to gain experience. I personally think he could learn a lot, quickly, by crewing on someone else's boat in local races - nothing teaches you about sail trim or boat handling as fast as the focus that comes in racing. But he's only going to get experience if he gets away from the dock. I got mine in Lake Michigan, the Chesapeake, and Delaware Bay. And I did some stupid things, but I learned. Every one of us has some I could have died last night moments that we've learned from. I'm sure you started somewhere, too. As far as boat problems go: Heck, He's only going to be seaward of the channel buoys for about 13 nm - call it 3 or 4 hours. What makes you think his 30 is any worse condition or less capable than Alianna to handle a short trip near shore? If the steering breaks he'll need to do what I did and use sail trim to steer the boat home, or just call Seatow. Engine or electrical problems - heck it's a sailboat. If a seacock starts leaking close it, or put a wooden plug in it. Sure, when you go out on your boat you could die. You could get hit with the boom and die. The boat could sink and you die. You could get hit by another boat and die. You can get seasick and feel like you're going to die. You could be casually taking a leak, fall overboard, and die. Or you could avoid the risks, stay at home to sit on the couch watching TV, have an aneurism, and die. There are always risks; that's part of what makes sailing a challenge - and fun. OK. I'll get out of Wally mode now. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether.what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear.what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Toronto Boat show
I would probably be there. Now is a good time to have an impromptu get together of the Great Lakes owners group. We could meet at the show or afterwards for a few pints if anyone is interested Sent from Joe Bognar On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm there next Saturday. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-01-06 6:29 PM, Persuasion wrote: It’s that time of year again. Is anybody going to the TO boat show? Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
You make it sound like a backyard swimming pool.I thought that area might get heavily used by all sorts of other mariners _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass Sent: January 6, 2014 8:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees - warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of j...@svpaws.net Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Normally I would encourage anyone to set and do what they're planning. In this case however - why in the world would you pick March to try your first near shore sail? Everyone's thinking it - I'm just saying. John _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6479 - Release Date: 01/06/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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+1 On Jan 6, 2014 6:41 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: Whoa, Dwight. Lighten up. I realize Curtis is less experienced than some others on the list. I’ve already suggested he take a Power Squadron course or two to increase his knowledge, and others have suggested he sign on to help with a few offshore and/or ICW deliveries to gain experience. I personally think he could learn a lot, quickly, by crewing on someone else’s boat in local races – nothing teaches you about sail trim or boat handling as fast as the focus that comes in racing. But he’s only going to get experience if he gets away from the dock. I got mine in Lake Michigan, the Chesapeake, and Delaware Bay. And I did some stupid things, but I learned. Every one of us has some “I could have died last night” moments that we’ve learned from. I’m sure you started somewhere, too. As far as boat problems go: Heck, He’s only going to be seaward of the channel buoys for about 13 nm – call it 3 or 4 hours. What makes you think his 30 is any worse condition or less capable than Alianna to handle a short trip near shore? If the steering breaks he’ll need to do what I did and use sail trim to steer the boat home, or just call Seatow. Engine or electrical problems – heck it’s a sailboat. If a seacock starts leaking close it, or put a wooden plug in it. Sure, when you go out on your boat you could die. You could get hit with the boom and die. The boat could sink and you die. You could get hit by another boat and die. You can get seasick and feel like you’re going to die. You could be casually taking a leak, fall overboard, and die. Or you could avoid the risks, stay at home to sit on the couch watching TV, have an aneurism, and die. There are always risks; that’s part of what makes sailing a challenge – and fun. OK. I’ll get out of “Wally mode” now. Rick *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *dwight veinot *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Thanks Ed, Thats what I do now. I watch the Can and Nun markers to help keep me in tune with the the tide. You are right about the time flexibility as well. I 'm not ridge and can very well adapt to a different time or schedule. I have a real sense of urgency and can not keep putting it off. I have been out to the point were land is out of sight maybe 10 or 12 times. A night sail under a full moon with a brand new Garmin Echo50s and a back Garmin 215 as a back up unit and a hand held 72. I need to get the training done. This March will be the beginning of my 3rd year. I have a 5 year plan that I must meet. My god! I turned 50 this year there's no time to lose. I am so late. I will be safe. I will have another competent sailor on board incase I get into trouble. All good advise, Thanks, Curt On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ed Levert elev...@grayinsco.com wrote: Curtis: If it is your intent merely to gain experience offshore, do not rigidly plan your course this far out in time. Even if you are planning to motor the entire way, I suggest you consider a course which allows you an easy sail, that is a run or a reach with the predicted wind for your return to shore. If you have an engine problem, you lessen the potential of having to tack in. Without local knowledge, it is difficult to give advice on tidal flow. Seek local knowledge. Also, as you head offshore, pass close aboard navigational marks, and particularly the sea buoy, and observe what way the current is flowing. This will help give you a sense of flow direction and speed to compare with your predictions. Ed L. Briar Patch CC 34 New Orleans, La. *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of * Curtis *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 3:12 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.comwrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.comwrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
I'm sorry, I still vote for July. It's not temperature, it's time to plan things properly. As you say, you're close to land most of the time. Then you go on to talk about backup GPS, communications, etc. Your priorities are wrong. Why not take a month or two longer and learn about current charts, navigation, backup systems and most importantly - learn to reef in your sleep (if you haven't already). If you follow your 5 year plan you will most certainly be reefing in your sleep at some point. BTW - if you're planning on cruising in 2 years - THERE IS NO SEATOW John You're picking a challenging area. Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Thanks Rick, That's what I need! Cautionary encouragement. I only studied a short while this afternoon on the route. I wanted to stay insight of all the markers going out. Then at the last one head east then south then west then back north to the mark back in I go. Its just a square loop. I will study the actual course more and more until I have a good understanding of the time with, wind, no wind, current, no current ect. To get a good trip out and back. But the way you calculated it I may be to adventurous. I really would like to be back to the dock in daylight so between 4: and 6:pm. Thanks again, great help. Its so great to have you guys helping a new guy out. huge amount of resources. Great bunch of guys.. Curtis . On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: Curtis; First off, I’d suggest your local US Power Squadron chapter and see about taking a basic “Piloting” course. It will teach you how to calculate tides and currents from available information, and how to include these into your course planning. There is a squadron in Beaufort www.usps.org/localusps/beaufort and another in Hilton Head Home - Hilton Head Sail Power Squadron http://www.hhsps.org/ both of which see close to you. Second, you see to have your waypoints off a bit. You said turn east from R4, to a new waypoint of 32 29.988N 80 29.988W. That waypoint is 28 NM from the R4 marker at 010 degrees. I think you mean 34 05.988N 80 29.988W. Using that new waypoint, I end up with a total cruise of about 56nm, which is close to what you had intended. You indicated you would plan to do the trip sometime in March, so I used tide and current data for March 1st and 2nd in evaluating the trip. High tide at the tide station under the bridge next to your marina is +8.2 feet at 8:50AM on March 1st. You can expect the ebb to be near 0 kt shortly after that, increase to a maximum of 1.4 kt for about 3 hours, and then drop back to 0.2 kt near low tide. So for the first 20-21 NM out to the R4 marker, your speed over ground should be about 6.5 kt, and your ETA at the sea marker will be about 3 hours and 15 minutes after departure, call it between noon and 12:15. Low tide at the station closest to the R4 mark (which is on Hilton Head) is -1.58 feet at 2:46 PM. That gives you about 3 hours to complete the triangular portion of your trip at sea, which is about 13-14 nm. You need to average about 4.6 kt, which is about what I plan on averaging when sailing. So that triangular loop looks doable, and should get you back to the neighborhood of R4 around low tide. You shouldn’t notice much impact from currents while this close to shore. Going back up the sound, the flood will start out at about -0.2 kt (that is the base current near Hilton Head) and increase to a max of 1.2 kt somewhere around 5:15 PM, then drop off to slack water near high tide, which is 9:15 PM at your marina. Call it an average bump of about 1/3rdkt. So going back up the sound you should be able to make about 5 kt sailing, or a scosh under 6 kt motoring if you have a North wind. So if you make the R4 mark around 3:00 PM, your ETA home is somewhere between 6:30 and 7:30 PM. Sunset, for you, on March 1st is about 6:34 PM. Hope the trip works out well for you. Rick Brass Washington, NC *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of * Curtis *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 1:23 PM *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 96, Issue 35
may still remember that sail during Chester Race week back in our younger dys when I had the CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant Sent: January 5, 2014 12:17 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Perhaps the most important thing is to make sure no one is watching. If there's no one watching, you will do it perfectly. If you have a big audience, it'll be a train wreck. VBG In addition to the other tips already mentioned, I like to stop the boat completely in the fairway or near the dock. That gives me a chance to evaluate the breeze and tidal currents, and compensate when approaching the dock. I also believe in the GO SLOW method. Sometimes a tidal current can give you a knot or two, and you think you're going slow but in fact are at a dead stop and can't steer the boat. That sucks. So coming to a complete stop away from the dock can give you a clue. Another thing... Practice on a mooring ball or buoy in clear water. Try to bring the boat to a complete stop with the bow touching the mooring ball and the hull lined up different points on shore. Wal -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140106/a02d3cc4/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:02:50 -0400 From: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List single handed docking Message-ID: 52cb0bea.6010...@eastlink.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed On 2014/01/06 12:03 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: I've seen them in Bacon's. Never was willing to spend $100 + on it. Can you use it to drop a line over a piling? Simple answer is yes...but if you have a regular 'boat hook', and many of us do, you can drop a line over a piling with that to! Our marina system is 'slip based' with 'cleats', usually three (3) per 'slip' so this 'docking tool' can be very effectiveyou simply extend it and drop the loop over a cleat and pull.I have used it a few times and it reduced the stress from single handed docking. Our boat came with a biminiif it didn't, would a bimini be one of the first things I would buy as an upgradenot likelybut now that I have experienced one, I would not go without oneit works in good weather and bad weather. This 'docking tool' (whatever it is called) would I buy one, well now that I have one and used it, yep, for +$100 to make my docking(s) as stress free as possible, it's worth it. And $100 won't buy much in the way of gelcoat repair on your boat, or someone's elses. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: On Dwight's CC 27 during Chester Race Week, we had a 'big audience' on the dock watch us sail up to the dock to let a crew member off I was the 'crew' that stepped off. The big audience was so impressed with what we did that day that we got an applause.we looked like we actually knew what we were doing. I have a piece of 'docking gear' (for the lack of a better term as I don't know what the actual name of it is) that is very useful for docking..it was on the boat when we bought it.and I have never seen another one. It is an aluminum extension pole with a large rubber loop (say 10 to 12 in diameter) on one end and a double-ended jagged plastic hook on the other end. When docking, I always have it at the ready just in case.the rubber loop end can be used to grab a dock cleat from anywhere on the boat to pull the boat into the dock.like having a line from the boat to the dock ..the other end can be used for the same purpose but in different circumstances. It is quite a useful and versatile 'docking tool' and just having it at the ready is assuring no matter if you are alone or have crew. Has anyone else seen one of these or have one? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 -84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/01/05 5:46 PM, dwight wrote: I like to do it the way Capt Ron did it...bring her in fast, turn sharp and stop her on a dime, jump off and deal with the lines, but alas I am older now and can jump nearly as good...we've done it under sail power a few times to...once we off loaded a crew coming up
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Not sure if I mentioned that I have been sailing Port Royal Sound for 2 years. Like 24 to 27 trips. In fact here is a small clip of Joe Waters Water Sails Charleston SCBirthday Cake where we took first place in the 2014 The JEAN RIBAUT CUP which will be held on Saturday, April 6, 2013 . So I know the area and know it can get nasty. Have fun with the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAEi-fynO9g On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote: I'm sorry, I still vote for July. It's not temperature, it's time to plan things properly. As you say, you're close to land most of the time. Then you go on to talk about backup GPS, communications, etc. Your priorities are wrong. Why not take a month or two longer and learn about current charts, navigation, backup systems and most importantly - learn to reef in your sleep (if you haven't already). If you follow your 5 year plan you will most certainly be reefing in your sleep at some point. BTW - if you're planning on cruising in 2 years - THERE IS NO SEATOW John You're picking a challenging area. Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.comwrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you
Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets (dwight)
The lady asked for some advice about headsets, probably regarding racing where it may be especially effective with helm to bow communication. Between spin hoists and jib drops it can be noisy. I don't think she was asking about dropping anchor. Barbara Hickson Fellers On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:02 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets (dwight) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Josh I am not sure what this +1 post means.does it mean that's your vote too.you think I was too heavy, right. thanks ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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18 here in Baton Rouge tonight. Crap, I was warmer in Colorado last week. Got gas fireplace going and watching the BCS championship game. War Eagle! Go, Auburn! Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees – warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Don't let your crayfish freeze... :^) Frederick G Street -- Minneapolis (currently -18F...) S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- currently on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: 18 here in Baton Rouge tonight. Crap, I was warmer in Colorado last week. Got gas fireplace going and watching the BCS championship game. War Eagle! Go, Auburn! Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees – warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Nothing said here was offensive to me Folks. I would prefer cold hard truth. I thank you for your candor.I respect each and every one of your input. I always expect for there to be liberal and conservative thought process in this topic. I mean How did any of you get experiance? I am at least trying to learn all I can. I purchased the toughest old vessalI could find A beautiful 1981 CC30MK1 That many said could take a lot more than I could throw at her. I have been joing every race I can and reading books. Ive installed the diesel engine in the boat replaced the head rewired most of it. Been up the mast 4 times now Replaced spreader boots , spreader light ,Installed an anchor light. Put amsteel blue life lines on the boat. I sail every chance I can with or with out crew. Turning 50 for me was hard.. Its my turn! I just need to learn how. No offence taken. Cheers Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: 18 here in Baton Rouge tonight. Crap, I was warmer in Colorado last week. Got gas fireplace going and watching the BCS championship game. War Eagle! Go, Auburn! Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees – warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis, Here are a few tips, based on the assumption that you checked the boat and the whether before leaving. - On the ocean, running non-stop 24 hours a day on a CC 30, with no tide to take into account, my best day ever was 152 miles. A little over 6,25 knots average, which meant running at seven knots to compensate for all the time when I was making only 5 knots and half. It was really fast for a CC 30. Regular days were more like 110 to 120 miles, averaging 4,5 to 5 knots, sails only, not motoring. I would use this as a basis for your calculation, unless you want to hear the engine running. - Near shore, meaning within a 5 miles distance, you can benefit from the land wind (not sure about the exact term in English) created by the differential of temperature between land and sea. That is a plus because in continental weather, the wind often drop at night. - Currents, whether river currents, ocean currents or tide currents, are generally stronger in deeper water. So if staying closer to shore usually means reduced water depth, it will slow the current speed. In the end this is the trade off: closer to shore may mean better wind at night, but potentially a slower tide current. Also, beware of fishermen gears in shallow waters. A word about the moon. It's reassuring to have it there because it's less dark and looks familiar. However, with a full moon, land marks and lights becomes harder to see and recognize. The main advantage is to make it easier to spot other ships (don't count on being spotted). I personally prefer it darker with a small or no moon at all, especially when there is no overcast. In darker conditions, good landmarks are easy to spot, especially if you stay, say, four miles at least from shore to move away from most land lights, you don't have to worry about shoals and can focus on enjoying the night. Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) Get well prepared. Transcribe on a separate piece of papers your tide information, the lights you are supposed to see and when. Prepare in advance the night snack. Most important, be well dressed and have fun. Antoine (CC 30 Cousin) Le 2014-01-06 à 20:21, Curtis a écrit : What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!!
Re: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets (dwight)
There are lots of choices for water resistant FRS/GMRS radios which can be VOX operated (hands free) with head sets. I did a search for head sets with the radios built in and didn't find any, but I suspect that they do exist. Motorcyclists use helmet headsets with FRS/GMRS radios. The original design of Bluetooth was deliberately for a very short range, so short that one end of the boat to the other ought to be problematic, but that specification may not be adhered to now. Anyway, here is a link for Uniden GMRS radios with VOX head sets. I am not recommending this particular product, there are many, it is just one example. I have been thinking of getting something along that line for a while now. http://www.uniden.com/two-way-radios/two-weather-resistant-40-mile-range-frsgmrs-radios-with-2-vox-headsets/invt/gmr40402ckhsg Steve Thomas -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of blhick...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:05 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets (dwight) The lady asked for some advice about headsets, probably regarding racing where it may be especially effective with helm to bow communication. Between spin hoists and jib drops it can be noisy. I don't think she was asking about dropping anchor. Barbara Hickson Fellers On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:02 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: 'My team talks Bluetooth headsets (dwight) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Great advice, thankyou. I will p below. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Antoine Rose antoine.r...@videotron.cawrote: Curtis, Here are a few tips, based on the assumption that you checked the boat and the whether before leaving. - On the ocean, running non-stop 24 hours a day on a CC 30, with no tide to take into account, my best day ever was 152 miles. A little over 6,25 knots average, which meant running at seven knots to compensate for all the time when I was making only 5 knots and half. It was really fast for a CC 30. Regular days were more like 110 to 120 miles, averaging 4,5 to 5 knots, sails only, not motoring. I would use this as a basis for your calculation, unless you want to hear the engine running. - Near shore, meaning within a 5 miles distance, you can benefit from the land wind (not sure about the exact term in English) created by the differential of temperature between land and sea. That is a plus because in continental weather, the wind often drop at night. - Currents, whether river currents, ocean currents or tide currents, are generally stronger in deeper water. So if staying closer to shore usually means reduced water depth, it will slow the current speed. In the end this is the trade off: closer to shore may mean better wind at night, but potentially a slower tide current. Also, beware of fishermen gears in shallow waters. A word about the moon. It's reassuring to have it there because it's less dark and looks familiar. However, with a full moon, land marks and lights becomes harder to see and recognize. The main advantage is to make it easier to spot other ships (don't count on being spotted). I personally prefer it darker with a small or no moon at all, especially when there is no overcast. In darker conditions, good landmarks are easy to spot, especially if you stay, say, four miles at least from shore to move away from most land lights, you don't have to worry about shoals and can focus on enjoying the night. Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) Get well prepared. Transcribe on a separate piece of papers your tide information, the lights you are supposed to see and when. Prepare in advance the night snack. Most important, be well dressed and have fun. Antoine (CC 30 Cousin) Le 2014-01-06 à 20:21, Curtis a écrit : What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
We are in the process of setting a bareboat charter in the BVI for April.7 Days. I hope we are ready for that. We are going with a couple that the husband sailed from the hamptons to Bermuda twice and went to some sailing school in Annapolis. Great people should be fun I hope to learn a lot from him. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Great advice, thankyou. I will p below. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Antoine Rose antoine.r...@videotron.cawrote: Curtis, Here are a few tips, based on the assumption that you checked the boat and the whether before leaving. - On the ocean, running non-stop 24 hours a day on a CC 30, with no tide to take into account, my best day ever was 152 miles. A little over 6,25 knots average, which meant running at seven knots to compensate for all the time when I was making only 5 knots and half. It was really fast for a CC 30. Regular days were more like 110 to 120 miles, averaging 4,5 to 5 knots, sails only, not motoring. I would use this as a basis for your calculation, unless you want to hear the engine running. - Near shore, meaning within a 5 miles distance, you can benefit from the land wind (not sure about the exact term in English) created by the differential of temperature between land and sea. That is a plus because in continental weather, the wind often drop at night. - Currents, whether river currents, ocean currents or tide currents, are generally stronger in deeper water. So if staying closer to shore usually means reduced water depth, it will slow the current speed. In the end this is the trade off: closer to shore may mean better wind at night, but potentially a slower tide current. Also, beware of fishermen gears in shallow waters. A word about the moon. It's reassuring to have it there because it's less dark and looks familiar. However, with a full moon, land marks and lights becomes harder to see and recognize. The main advantage is to make it easier to spot other ships (don't count on being spotted). I personally prefer it darker with a small or no moon at all, especially when there is no overcast. In darker conditions, good landmarks are easy to spot, especially if you stay, say, four miles at least from shore to move away from most land lights, you don't have to worry about shoals and can focus on enjoying the night. Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) Get well prepared. Transcribe on a separate piece of papers your tide information, the lights you are supposed to see and when. Prepare in advance the night snack. Most important, be well dressed and have fun. Antoine (CC 30 Cousin) Le 2014-01-06 à 20:21, Curtis a écrit : What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.comwrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. That sounds really smart, Curtis. It sounds like you're going about this the right way. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 6, 2014, at 16:11, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Couldn't have said it better myself, Rick. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 6, 2014, at 18:41, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: Whoa, Dwight. Lighten up. I realize Curtis is less experienced than some others on the list. I’ve already suggested he take a Power Squadron course or two to increase his knowledge, and others have suggested he sign on to help with a few offshore and/or ICW deliveries to gain experience. I personally think he could learn a lot, quickly, by crewing on someone else’s boat in local races – nothing teaches you about sail trim or boat handling as fast as the focus that comes in racing. But he’s only going to get experience if he gets away from the dock. I got mine in Lake Michigan, the Chesapeake, and Delaware Bay. And I did some stupid things, but I learned. Every one of us has some “I could have died last night” moments that we’ve learned from. I’m sure you started somewhere, too. As far as boat problems go: Heck, He’s only going to be seaward of the channel buoys for about 13 nm – call it 3 or 4 hours. What makes you think his 30 is any worse condition or less capable than Alianna to handle a short trip near shore? If the steering breaks he’ll need to do what I did and use sail trim to steer the boat home, or just call Seatow. Engine or electrical problems – heck it’s a sailboat. If a seacock starts leaking close it, or put a wooden plug in it. Sure, when you go out on your boat you could die. You could get hit with the boom and die. The boat could sink and you die. You could get hit by another boat and die. You can get seasick and feel like you’re going to die. You could be casually taking a leak, fall overboard, and die. Or you could avoid the risks, stay at home to sit on the couch watching TV, have an aneurism, and die. There are always risks; that’s part of what makes sailing a challenge – and fun. OK. I’ll get out of “Wally mode” now. Rick From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Thank you Andy, I really want to do it safely II will take all necessary training and equipment it takes to make me competent. I think i am ready for the next steps.Baby steps. Thanks for your vote.It helps me cary on. Cheers On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. That sounds really smart, Curtis. It sounds like you're going about this the right way. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 6, 2014, at 16:11, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these questions. my wind is most always out of the south so I will steam out with the out going tide under flat conditions I get 6 knots at 2500 rpm's with a clean bottom. I would hope to have the afternoon winds at my back. the southerly breezes are most always out of the south. if that's the case I will be on the way back in at the last of the turnaround of the tide. So my outgoing tide will just starting to go back out. That may allow me to put my boat right-into her birth. I nose into my birth and the outgoing tide is on my nose giving me steering. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis Count on taking more time…averaging about 6 in a CC 30 may be wishful…are you steaming all the way or sailing…Hope your motor is reliable and strong…if you get your first big trip figured out that good before hand I would say you have a career ahead in sailing…will this be alone or with crew Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the tide cost me off shore? I know a bought the tide in and out of the river. Just need help with the offshore expectation? Thanks again. let me know if you need more information. LT -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, Deb and I*c'était écrit* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) Antoine, I can't tell you the number of times I've said that! That is probably the best advice for anyone heading offshore for the first time. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 6, 2014, at 21:48, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Yup. A boat lost a guy in the 2012 Gulfport to Pensacola race. 4-6 foot seas, 20+ knots. Came up to pee, fell overboard. No PFD. Fortunately, it was a clear night and one of the watch standers was an experienced pilot. He looked astern at the sky and stars and was able to guide the boat back to the guy. My buddy on the boat said they only lost 3 1/2 minutes picking him up. Now there's a racer! Dennis C. From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) Antoine, I can't tell you the number of times I've said that! That is probably the best advice for anyone heading offshore for the first time. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 6, 2014, at 21:48, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Curtis. Maybe you should get your own website. -Original Message- From: Curtis Sent: 06/01/2014 20:34 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Thanks Rick, That's what I need! Cautionary encouragement. I only studied a short while this afternoon on the route. I wanted to stay insight of all the markers going out. Then at the last one head east then south then west then back north to the mark back in I go. Its just a square loop. I will study the actual course more and more until I have a good understanding of the time with, wind, no wind, current, no current ect. To get a good trip out and back. But the way you calculated it I may be to adventurous. I really would like to be back to the dock in daylight so between 4: and 6:pm. Thanks again, great help. Its so great to have you guys helping a new guy out. huge amount of resources. Great bunch of guys.. Curtis . On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: Curtis; First off, I’d suggest your local US Power Squadron chapter and see about taking a basic “Piloting” course. It will teach you how to calculate tides and currents from available information, and how to include these into your course planning. There is a squadron in Beaufort www.usps.org/localusps/beaufort and another in Hilton Head Home - Hilton Head Sail Power Squadron both of which see close to you. Second, you see to have your waypoints off a bit. You said turn east from R4, to a new waypoint of 32 29.988N 80 29.988W. That waypoint is 28 NM from the R4 marker at 010 degrees. I think you mean 34 05.988N 80 29.988W. Using that new waypoint, I end up with a total cruise of about 56nm, which is close to what you had intended. You indicated you would plan to do the trip sometime in March, so I used tide and current data for March 1st and 2nd in evaluating the trip. High tide at the tide station under the bridge next to your marina is +8.2 feet at 8:50AM on March 1st. You can expect the ebb to be near 0 kt shortly after that, increase to a maximum of 1.4 kt for about 3 hours, and then drop back to 0.2 kt near low tide. So for the first 20-21 NM out to the R4 marker, your speed over ground should be about 6.5 kt, and your ETA at the sea marker will be about 3 hours and 15 minutes after departure, call it between noon and 12:15. Low tide at the station closest to the R4 mark (which is on Hilton Head) is -1.58 feet at 2:46 PM. That gives you about 3 hours to complete the triangular portion of your trip at sea, which is about 13-14 nm. You need to average about 4.6 kt, which is about what I plan on averaging when sailing. So that triangular loop looks doable, and should get you back to the neighborhood of R4 around low tide. You shouldn’t notice much impact from currents while this close to shore. Going back up the sound, the flood will start out at about -0.2 kt (that is the base current near Hilton Head) and increase to a max of 1.2 kt somewhere around 5:15 PM, then drop off to slack water near high tide, which is 9:15 PM at your marina. Call it an average bump of about 1/3rd kt. So going back up the sound you should be able to make about 5 kt sailing, or a scosh under 6 kt motoring if you have a North wind. So if you make the R4 mark around 3:00 PM, your ETA home is somewhere between 6:30 and 7:30 PM. Sunset, for you, on March 1st is about 6:34 PM. Hope the trip works out well for you. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 1:23 PM To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance So I'm as some of you know in the process of moving to the next step in my training. I'm in the planing stages of my first over-night near shore passage. I will leave early am: 4:00 with a full moon to help and head out to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W this is the channel into Port Royal sound Beaufort SC. I intend to sail out with the tide its a 19 mile ride I figure 5.5 knots of speed? That will put me there at Day break or just after 3.45 hrs. Then run straight east for 5nm to 32-029'899N 080-29'988 W That will take a nother 90 min, Here, I will turn south to 32-03,997W 080-29'167W 1.92 miles = 34min Here i will turn back west to 32-03'984W 080-34'965w this 4.92 leg take .89 min Then I will turn North to will bring me the 4.92 nm back to to the R 4 F1 R4s @ 32-05,901N 080-35,099W the bell marker at the mouth of the channel. Then my hope will be to take the the Tide back in. So here is the question. If I do this near shore how much will the tide effect my timing in the course: I plugged in the 5.5 based off motor speed. All together time from the dock and back to the dock. 10.956 hours to cover 60.26nm How much time will the
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect
On Spirit of Adventure it was preferable to pee off the back in rough weather rather than use the head. We had 3 point tethers on. The life lines were up to chest height on the stern. In the head (between 1st and 2nd bulkheads) you could get thrown around in bad weather. One time I got tossed across the gear locker (where head was) toilet seat and all. Fortunately no injuries. Everything is relative, there are pros and cons and a right way to do most things safely. Cheers, Steve Hood S/V Diamond Girl CC 34 Lions Head ON -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Message-ID: 1389064353.64570.yahoomail...@web164804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yup.? A boat lost a guy in the 2012 Gulfport to Pensacola race.? 4-6 foot seas, 20+ knots.? Came up to pee, fell overboard.? No PFD.? Fortunately, it was a clear night and one of the watch standers was an experienced pilot.? He looked astern at the sky and stars and was able to guide the boat back to the guy.? My buddy on the boat said they only lost 3 1/2 minutes picking him up.? Now there's a racer! Dennis C. From: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) Antoine, I can't tell you the number of times I've said that! That is probably the best advice for anyone heading offshore for the first time. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA? ? 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 6, 2014, at 21:48, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Don't stand on the rail to pee overboard at night. The number of drown guys found with their pants open is significant. Take the time to go down inside. ;-) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140106/27 53f24e/attachment.html -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List First offshore experience (fess up time)
OK, guys and girls, time to fess up and let Curtis know he's not alone. A few months after I bought Steinlocker, an Oday 27, my buddy and I decided to take a cruise. I wasn't nearly as prepared as Curtis already seems to be. We left Mandeville early afternoon and headed east towards The Rigolets, the outlet of Lake Pontchartrain. We weren't very good sailors. The wind was on the nose. By 11 pm, we'd gotten about halfway to the Hwy 11 Bridge at Slidell, about 10 miles. My buddy said he was tired and went below, leaving me alone with the tiller and sails. Around 1 am I gave it up and anchored in the middle of the lake in 2-3 foot seas and went below. Oh, did I mention I had no GPS, no LORAN, and not surprisingly, no idea where we were. I did have a chart. Whoopee! The next day we made it out of The Rigolets into what we thought was The Gulf. Wrong. As the sun set, we anchored near an oil rig off The Rigolets in Lake Borgne. To this day, I don't know if we anchored in the middle of the ICW or where? I don't think we did because some tow would have either hit us or let us know in a very loud way that we were stooopid! Somehow, we made it back to Mandeville alive and little worse for wear. Now, years later, after several through the night offshore races and passages in heavy winds, the always nasty Gulf of Mexico squalls, waterpouts, thunderstorms, and what have you, my first offshore experience is a dim memory but one that reminds me how far I've come as a sailor. So, take heart, Curtis. I can be done. Sounds like you're miles ahead of where I was and waaay more prepared than me for your first offshore. Anybody else want to fess up? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
I don’t know. I think some of you guys are so sailing-starved that your imaginations have run wild on a cold wintry night. Sixty miles is just a long day sail. Curtis, it sounds like you have a good boat. Study your charts, pick a nice day and go have fun. Ocean sailing on a good day is the easiest sailing you will ever do. Set the sails, kick back and enjoy the ride. Five-foot seas become normal very quickly. The most difficult sailing is what novices do – inshore, near sandbars and reefs, with strong currents, clueless powerboaters and tight channels. A year or two from now, you will probably laugh at the idea that this was a big undertaking. The worst part is the worrying before you actually do it. Once you get a couple of trips under your belt, you’ll gain the confidence to do the sailing you want to do. Problems arise when you get lazy, get tired or panic. Like you’re doing now, think things through. Trust your boat. You’ll find that your boat is a lot tougher than you are. When you’re contemplating a trip, the question is seldom whether the boat can do it. It’s always whether you can do it. Don’t make the mistake of setting a schedule, though. The gods laugh at sailors’ schedules. You might get out there and find no wind at all, or wind so steady that you never have to adjust the sails. You have to react to conditions as they arise, not expect that forecast conditions will come true. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Curtis Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance Nothing said here was offensive to me Folks. I would prefer cold hard truth. I thank you for your candor.I respect each and every one of your input. I always expect for there to be liberal and conservative thought process in this topic. I mean How did any of you get experiance? I am at least trying to learn all I can. I purchased the toughest old vessalI could find A beautiful 1981 CC30MK1 That many said could take a lot more than I could throw at her. I have been joing every race I can and reading books. Ive installed the diesel engine in the boat replaced the head rewired most of it. Been up the mast 4 times now Replaced spreader boots , spreader light ,Installed an anchor light. Put amsteel blue life lines on the boat. I sail every chance I can with or with out crew. Turning 50 for me was hard.. Its my turn! I just need to learn how. No offence taken. Cheers Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: 18 here in Baton Rouge tonight. Crap, I was warmer in Colorado last week. Got gas fireplace going and watching the BCS championship game. War Eagle! Go, Auburn! Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees – warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List First offshore experience (fess up time)
If I started 'fessing, i'd tie things up a bit, so I won't:) I had a look at Curtis' blog. The impression I came away with is that the boat is in excellent shape and well looked after, Curtis is way ahead of where I think many of us think he might be, and, if he's half as sensible as I think he is, he won't have any problems. My .02: Make sure that a couple of people know where you are going and when you expect to be back, and also know what to do if you are delayed beyond a reasonable amount of time. Remember to call them as soon as you return. Make sure your boat's VHF is programmed with your MMSI and operating properly. Call the Coast Guard for a radio check. A portable is not adequate for anything other than close inshore. If you don't have a modern VHF with the little red button on the front, buy one. Make sure your mainsail reefing lines are installed and you can quickly reef if needed. If you think you might need to reef, do it before you need to. I usually reef at sunset in anything but quiet weather. Saves a lot of racing around in the dark and costs very little in terms of distance covered. If the weather forecast is forbidding, heed it and stay home, or go for a short sail. Have a great time! That's why we all do this. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: OK, guys and girls, time to fess up and let Curtis know he's not alone. A few months after I bought Steinlocker, an Oday 27, my buddy and I decided to take a cruise. I wasn't nearly as prepared as Curtis already seems to be. We left Mandeville early afternoon and headed east towards The Rigolets, the outlet of Lake Pontchartrain. We weren't very good sailors. The wind was on the nose. By 11 pm, we'd gotten about halfway to the Hwy 11 Bridge at Slidell, about 10 miles. My buddy said he was tired and went below, leaving me alone with the tiller and sails. Around 1 am I gave it up and anchored in the middle of the lake in 2-3 foot seas and went below. Oh, did I mention I had no GPS, no LORAN, and not surprisingly, no idea where we were. I did have a chart. Whoopee! The next day we made it out of The Rigolets into what we thought was The Gulf. Wrong. As the sun set, we anchored near an oil rig off The Rigolets in Lake Borgne. To this day, I don't know if we anchored in the middle of the ICW or where? I don't think we did because some tow would have either hit us or let us know in a very loud way that we were stooopid! Somehow, we made it back to Mandeville alive and little worse for wear. Now, years later, after several through the night offshore races and passages in heavy winds, the always nasty Gulf of Mexico squalls, waterpouts, thunderstorms, and what have you, my first offshore experience is a dim memory but one that reminds me how far I've come as a sailor. So, take heart, Curtis. I can be done. Sounds like you're miles ahead of where I was and waaay more prepared than me for your first offshore. Anybody else want to fess up? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
While I admit that I tend to be a little casual with the potential risks, I agree that sometimes you need to just get out and do it. I bought my little Mirage 24 2 yrs ago and basically rigged it up based on my old memories from dinghy sailing and headed out into the harbor. Last 2 yrs have been dozens of short trips, managing little issues along the way - docked by sail when the outboard failed, jury rigged reefing lines when wind over heated on me and my in boom line was 'misplaced'. Sounds to me like Curtis is taking a fair bit of time planning and preparing for this little jaunt. Figuring out the details. Honestly more than I've planned to date. Take due care, have fun and learn. Mark On 6 Jan 2014 21:50, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if I mentioned that I have been sailing Port Royal Sound for 2 years. Like 24 to 27 trips. In fact here is a small clip of Joe Waters Water Sails Charleston SCBirthday Cake where we took first place in the 2014 The JEAN RIBAUT CUP which will be held on Saturday, April 6, 2013 . So I know the area and know it can get nasty. Have fun with the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAEi-fynO9g On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote: I'm sorry, I still vote for July. It's not temperature, it's time to plan things properly. As you say, you're close to land most of the time. Then you go on to talk about backup GPS, communications, etc. Your priorities are wrong. Why not take a month or two longer and learn about current charts, navigation, backup systems and most importantly - learn to reef in your sleep (if you haven't already). If you follow your 5 year plan you will most certainly be reefing in your sleep at some point. BTW - if you're planning on cruising in 2 years - THERE IS NO SEATOW John You're picking a challenging area. Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: What would anybody do? I would first cry out OH GOD OH GOD Then I would calm my self. I have a cable driven edson Wheel. I also have an emergency fitting in the cockpit floor were a tiller can be attached. I have the emergency tiller in the forward birth. If I lost the rudder I would heave too and call sea-tow with my GPS location. If I lost an exhaxh hose I would Shut down the engine turn off the seacock, Heave too and call sea-tow. If I Lost power I have a hand held VHF and a cell phone. I would follow a magnetic course west until I had sight of land then Heave too and fire a flair or two. Lets face it 14 miles out or 3 1/2 hours out 3 1/2 hours back and 14 miles up the river. Almost 48 miles of the trip will be in sight of land.7 hours off shore. I have not taken a safety at sea course? But that I would love to find local if you know of a place in the Savannah -HHI- Beaufort or Charleston area I would like to take one. For sure. Thanks Curtis On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:06 PM, dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Curtis What is your plan if you lose steering, say because of a broken cable, or worse if you lose the rudder altogether…what would you do if the prop got snagged in fishing gear…what if a through hull started to leak fast or your engine exhaust pipes broke and water started to flood the engine compartment or if you lost all electrical power. Have you taken a safety of life at sea course lately? Dwight Veinot Alianna CC 35 MKII Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I have a newly installed engine in the boat. I installed it my self. Its a 2gm20F Runs like a top. it was no easy task, I learned a lot through the process. I don't want to do it ever a gain. However it gave me a classroom environment to learn the systems on my boat like none other. Almost no sailor on my docks has the skill to clean water out no there fuel system. to challenge them to do maintenance on there boat is quite sad. I'm keenly aware of the safety of the systems on my boat, from swedge fittings to keel bolt tension, to extra belts filters, I even keep an extra injector. I know the boat is able and ready. Now me you may have some reason for concern. I have not done an overnight before. This will be my first. I'm 45 to 90 days out. I have to learn some ware. I have been sailing the waters of Port Royal sound and St Helena sound the Morgan river to the north and the Broad rivet to the south. and Again there will be a capable sailor on board. He has been instructed to let me do it!!! http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-10-30T10:46:00-07:00max-results=3start=3by-date=false On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I will have a capable sailor with me But i will insist right up till point of peril to do it singled handed including the leg work and learning as with all these
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
You’re right, Dennis. This weather sucks. Almost 70 all weekend, but no wind and then rain. Tonight will be 16 degrees with a chill factor below 10. Tomorrow’s high will be 22-24, and the low will be 14. By Saturday it will be in the mid-70s. But guess what – rain again. Crap. I’ve not been able to go sailing since I put up the Christmas lights the first weekend in December. This is only the fourth time I’ve missed out on a New Year’s Day sail in 15 years. This weather sucks! Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance 18 here in Baton Rouge tonight. Crap, I was warmer in Colorado last week. Got gas fireplace going and watching the BCS championship game. War Eagle! Go, Auburn! Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: John, Remember where he lives. Port Royal Sound is adjacent to Hilton Head, and almost to the Georgia state line. The current offshore water temperature at the buoy nearest Port Royal Sound is 54 degrees – warmer than Lake Superior ever gets. By the 1st of March, air temperatures will be as high as anything Fred is likely to see in Minnesota all summer and the flowers will be in bloom. Heck, the flowers will be in bloom all the way up here in North Carolina, and the ICW will be full of snowbirds heading north. Oops. Forget I said anything. As Dennis pointed out, if we talk about great weather, great sailing, and low cost of living all you folks in the frozen North (which, unfortunately, looks like it includes Atlanta and New Orleans tomorrow evening) will want to move here. Rick ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation.
I would like to see the installation also, thanks Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com To: Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation. Pierre, thanks for that. If you do have a picture handy I would love to give it a look. Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca wrote: This is exactly what the PO did on my CC 38-3. I will look if I have picture of the installation. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche, #54988 CC 38-3, WK De : Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : lundi 6 janvier 2014 15h02 Objet : Stus-List Under deck windlass installation. So, it’s winter and I’m getting back to refitting (restoration is probably a better word now after letting her go so long) Ronin and am working on shed/inside type jobs. I bought a Lewmar Pro-Series 1000 horizontal windlass. Right now I’ve taken a bunch of measurements and I am doing some rough drawings for mounting it inside the anchor locker, on a shelf bonded to the bulkhead and just under the anchor locker cover. Right off the bat it seems doable. Chain angle from the bow-roller is within tolerances; the chain/rode runs true when the windlass is offset to starboard and there is just enough chain-fall (~21”) to meet the manufacturer’s requirements. So, has anyone with a same or similar sized CC done something like this? Thoughts, pictures, links or just general “Be afraid!” comments? Cheers, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Near-shore tide what to expect. Need some Guidance
Dwight, Sorry for the confusion. As much as I encourage preparation and safety the +1 was for Rich Brass's response to you...maybe a bit harsh. Though, to your point Curtis does need to remember that even though he is taking an expierienced sailor with him he is responsible for both lives and they are both in the same boat physically and figuratively. And to Rich's point its not like he said he's setting off for a round the world adventure. I do think at least one delivery with another expierienced captain would be as good or better and probably safer. As Rich mentioned we've all taken risks and that is to a large extent what life is about...nothing ventured, nothing gained. Josh On Jan 6, 2014 9:06 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Josh I am not sure what this +1 post means…does it mean that’s your vote too…you think I was too heavy, right. thanks ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation.
Here's mine...a couple of changes ago. Knees glassed into hull just above balsa line, windlass shelf bolted onto knees. I later added a Starboard clatter pad in front of the anchor locker. http://members.shaw.ca/parmesanshift/images/IMG_0953.jpg On 6 January 2014 20:44, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I would like to see the installation also, thanks Richard 1985 37 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9 Louisville, Kentucky 40220 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com To: Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Under deck windlass installation. Pierre, thanks for that. If you do have a picture handy I would love to give it a look. Best, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 6, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Pierre Tremblay tremblay.pie...@yahoo.ca wrote: This is exactly what the PO did on my CC 38-3. I will look if I have picture of the installation. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche, #54988 CC 38-3, WK *De :* Dave Godwin dave.god...@me.com *À :* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Envoyé le :* lundi 6 janvier 2014 15h02 *Objet :* Stus-List Under deck windlass installation. So, it’s winter and I’m getting back to refitting (restoration is probably a better word now after letting her go so long) Ronin and am working on shed/inside type jobs. I bought a Lewmar Pro-Series 1000 horizontal windlass. Right now I’ve taken a bunch of measurements and I am doing some rough drawings for mounting it inside the anchor locker, on a shelf bonded to the bulkhead and just under the anchor locker cover. Right off the bat it seems doable. Chain angle from the bow-roller is within tolerances; the chain/rode runs true when the windlass is offset to starboard and there is just enough chain-fall (~21”) to meet the manufacturer’s requirements. So, has anyone with a same or similar sized CC done something like this? Thoughts, pictures, links or just general “Be afraid!” comments? Cheers, Dave 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
