Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
Chuck: The original owner of our 32 ordered the 'mast holes' as an option when he bought the boat. He ordered other options as well, for example, the interior has the 'teak option' meaning the interior of the hull in the v-berth and quarter berth has teak paneling. As well, the main salon table is teak and not the usual laminate. I can assure you that CC and/or Forspar knew what they were doing when they designed these holes. They continually draw air from the main cabin up the mast. The original owner told me himself that these holes were specifically for ventilation and for no other intended purpose. That's all I can rely on. And as I said earlier, I have yet to see another CC with them although others here on the CC list have them. I really do not believe CC placed those holes in the mast for any safety reasons.as with you, I can't see where it would be safe for the mast to break there.makes no sense and even if it did, why don't all CC mast stepped boats have these as a safety feature. As with others, the first year we had the boat, we left the mast in over the winter..when on board with the electric heater on, I had to put masking tape over the holes to keep the heat in.while you may think there is a better design for ventilation, and there very well may be, I can assure everyone, these holes do a very good job venting the boat. Wally has them on Stella Blue and he says they are very effective. Since Rob Ball designed my boat, I sent him an email yesterday asking him to clarify the purpose of these mast holes.no response as of yetmight not get one! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/06/13 1:28 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: Great pictures Rob. Amazing. Definite pattern professionally done, but I don't have any idea why they would do that. If CC wanted to create a vent, why not space the holes further apart on both sides? I believe they help vent but that pattern of holes seems intended for another purpose. I don't think the holes would help the mast break there as suggested, but I'm not an engineer. If it did break there, it would tear out the whole collar and coachtop like a can opener. And imagine how that butt end might swing around inside the cabin before actually disconnecting. The desired breakpoint should be above the deck. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
Hi Rob, Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast? Are they in a pattern? Why only on one side? Thanks, Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com, David davidrisc...@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. blockquote From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com , CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: From: jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net Subject: CC question Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT To: F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John /blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mast Holes
Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. Leslie I have sailed on a CC 24, 27, 30, 32, 33, 34R, 35, 36, 37R and 41 and the only CC of the 10 that had the 'mast holes' is mine, the 32. Most of the 10 CC models I mentioned have keel stepped masts. I simply can't believe CC would put those holes in the mast 'to have a fail safe' point in the case of the loss of standing rigging. If so, why doesn't all the CC's with keel step masts have the mast holes? And they don'tsounds like yours (37R)does not have the mast holes Chuck. The 37R I raced on did not have them. I will send the pics ASAP. I think I have Rob Ball's e-mail address.I might just ask him what the holes were for. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote: Hi Rob, Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast? Are they in a pattern? Why only on one side? Thanks, Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com, David davidrisc...@msn.com *Sent: *Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM *Subject: *Stus-List Mast Holes The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: *From: *jwstah...@comcast.net mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net *Subject: CC question* *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT *To: *F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
I've been on a whack of boats and have never seen fail safe holes drilled in a mast. Offshore racing rules stipulate that the base of a keel stepped mast must be secured to the step. The mast foot is then held in place to avoid it leaping around the cabin interior in the event of a rigging disaster and possibly punching a hole in the bottom. Masts seem to bend quite nicely at the spreaders in most of the dismasting pics I've seen. Rich Knowles Indigo - LF38 Halifax NS On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:29, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. Leslie I have sailed on a CC 24, 27, 30, 32, 33, 34R, 35, 36, 37R and 41 and the only CC of the 10 that had the 'mast holes' is mine, the 32. Most of the 10 CC models I mentioned have keel stepped masts. I simply can't believe CC would put those holes in the mast 'to have a fail safe' point in the case of the loss of standing rigging. If so, why doesn't all the CC's with keel step masts have the mast holes? And they don'tsounds like yours (37R)does not have the mast holes Chuck. The 37R I raced on did not have them. I will send the pics ASAP. I think I have Rob Ball's e-mail address.I might just ask him what the holes were for. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote: Hi Rob, Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast? Are they in a pattern? Why only on one side? Thanks, Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com, David davidrisc...@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT mime-attachment.png Begin forwarded message: From: jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net Subject: CC question Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT To: F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
My 32 doesn't have the holes. Hull #59. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've been on a whack of boats and have never seen fail safe holes drilled in a mast. Offshore racing rules stipulate that the base of a keel stepped mast must be secured to the step. The mast foot is then held in place to avoid it leaping around the cabin interior in the event of a rigging disaster and possibly punching a hole in the bottom. Masts seem to bend quite nicely at the spreaders in most of the dismasting pics I've seen. Rich Knowles Indigo - LF38 Halifax NS On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:29, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. Leslie I have sailed on a CC 24, 27, 30, 32, 33, 34R, 35, 36, 37R and 41 and the only CC of the 10 that had the 'mast holes' is mine, the 32. Most of the 10 CC models I mentioned have keel stepped masts. I simply can't believe CC would put those holes in the mast 'to have a fail safe' point in the case of the loss of standing rigging. If so, why doesn't all the CC's with keel step masts have the mast holes? And they don'tsounds like yours (37R)does not have the mast holes Chuck. The 37R I raced on did not have them. I will send the pics ASAP. I think I have Rob Ball's e-mail address.I might just ask him what the holes were for. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote: Hi Rob, Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast? Are they in a pattern? Why only on one side? Thanks, Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com, David davidrisc...@msn.com davidrisc...@msn.com *Sent: *Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM *Subject: *Stus-List Mast Holes The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT mime-attachment.png Begin forwarded message: *From: *jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net *Subject: CC question* *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT *To: *F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet. :-( Leslie. On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes To: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)
I vote for ventilation. I have 14 1/2 holes in the mast, about six inches from the collar. When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is truly amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the mast and shoots out through those holes. Often, that's happening when all the hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome. I never considered the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes sense. I'll have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where the smoke goes. VBG A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad line handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a container ship. http://www.pmbc.net/htmls/brokenboat.html The whole mast was spun in a big circle, and was devastating to the interior. I can only guess that the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the crash. Frankly, I don't know if having the mast bolted to the step would have done much good. When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked the rigger to drill a hole through everything so we could bolt it down, and he looked at me like I was an idiot. (At the time, he'd just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger in town.) He told my that my mast step had 2 high 1/2 thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over that it would be the least of my problems. Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two weeks of the season. I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will develop. I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather window to sail north. The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season. Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for dead calm to motor north. I don't like motoring for days on end. It's an insult to the boat. And it looks like this weekend there will be three days of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell. Cool. Give me 8 on a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at hull speed, with the boat on it's feet. I can set the sails, set the Monitor, and fire up the BBQ. The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so sailing the rhumb line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving forward. I will miss this place, though. The fishing boats pull in every morning, and I can walk over and get fish off the boat. I have often bought a kilo of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos. Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore and still have leftovers. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)
Sounds fun, Wal. If you're in no hurry, I'd wait for a window, too. A few years ago, I did the trip around from Florida to LA in August. I was dreading the Baja Bash, but as we left Acapulco, a hurricane formed off Nicaragua and we got in a bit of a rush. Jimenez followed us about 600 miles back and killed the breeze so we had a nice flat motor all the way to San Diego watching whales and enjoying the calm where we expected awfulness. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)
Wal, I think ventilation is the purpose also. Moot point now that I have a mast wrap though. The observation about bolting the mast base to the shoe is pretty much in line with my thinking; the forces at work in a major mast loss are probably going to overwhelm those bolts pretty quickly. I’ve thought about doing it with my mast but frankly it is a back-burner item for the time being. As a former owner (briefly) of a Bruce King designed Islander 37 I can imagine the damage done. The mast is encased by cabinetry and probably did a good bit of damage to that and the head. Those old seventies-era single-spreader masts were pretty stout… As far as the upcoming weather is concerned and as someone who has experienced sailing north up the Baja coast I would recommend that you consider heading south for the Canal and the Caribbean. No decent tacos but some great sailing to be had. The Chesapeake Bay is pretty nifty too. ;-) Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I vote for ventilation. I have 14 1/2 holes in the mast, about six inches from the collar. When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is truly amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the mast and shoots out through those holes. Often, that's happening when all the hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome. I never considered the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes sense. I'll have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where the smoke goes. VBG A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad line handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a container ship. http://www.pmbc.net/htmls/brokenboat.html The whole mast was spun in a big circle, and was devastating to the interior. I can only guess that the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the crash. Frankly, I don't know if having the mast bolted to the step would have done much good. When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked the rigger to drill a hole through everything so we could bolt it down, and he looked at me like I was an idiot. (At the time, he'd just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger in town.) He told my that my mast step had 2 high 1/2 thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over that it would be the least of my problems. Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two weeks of the season. I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will develop. I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather window to sail north. The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season. Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for dead calm to motor north. I don't like motoring for days on end. It's an insult to the boat. And it looks like this weekend there will be three days of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell. Cool. Give me 8 on a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at hull speed, with the boat on it's feet. I can set the sails, set the Monitor, and fire up the BBQ. The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so sailing the rhumb line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving forward. I will miss this place, though. The fishing boats pull in every morning, and I can walk over and get fish off the boat. I have often bought a kilo of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos. Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore and still have leftovers. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)
I think the reason we bolt the mast to the step is that some bright spark in the CCA decided that it was a good idea for boats doing the Bermuda race and it caught on. I remember thinking how useless the idea as I prepared a boat for the 1984 race. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wal, I think ventilation is the purpose also. Moot point now that I have a mast wrap though. The observation about bolting the mast base to the shoe is pretty much in line with my thinking; the forces at work in a major mast loss are probably going to overwhelm those bolts pretty quickly. I’ve thought about doing it with my mast but frankly it is a back-burner item for the time being. As a former owner (briefly) of a Bruce King designed Islander 37 I can imagine the damage done. The mast is encased by cabinetry and probably did a good bit of damage to that and the head. Those old seventies-era single-spreader masts were pretty stout… As far as the upcoming weather is concerned and as someone who has experienced sailing north up the Baja coast I would recommend that you consider heading south for the Canal and the Caribbean. No decent tacos but some great sailing to be had. The Chesapeake Bay is pretty nifty too. ;-) Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I vote for ventilation. I have 14 1/2 holes in the mast, about six inches from the collar. When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is truly amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the mast and shoots out through those holes. Often, that's happening when all the hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome. I never considered the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes sense. I'll have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where the smoke goes. VBG A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad line handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a container ship. http://www.pmbc.net/htmls/brokenboat.html The whole mast was spun in a big circle, and was devastating to the interior. I can only guess that the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the crash. Frankly, I don't know if having the mast bolted to the step would have done much good. When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked the rigger to drill a hole through everything so we could bolt it down, and he looked at me like I was an idiot. (At the time, he'd just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger in town.) He told my that my mast step had 2 high 1/2 thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over that it would be the least of my problems. Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two weeks of the season. I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will develop. I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather window to sail north. The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season. Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for dead calm to motor north. I don't like motoring for days on end. It's an insult to the boat. And it looks like this weekend there will be three days of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell. Cool. Give me 8 on a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at hull speed, with the boat on it's feet. I can set the sails, set the Monitor, and fire up the BBQ. The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so sailing the rhumb line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving forward. I will miss this place, though. The fishing boats pull in every morning, and I can walk over and get fish off the boat. I have often bought a kilo of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos. Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore and still have leftovers. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)
Andy, Yup. I just helped a buddy bring his J120 from Annapolis to NEB for the upcoming Newport-Bermuda race and I’m pretty sure that the mast being bolted to the shoe was not done. Not sure anymore if it is even required. In theory it seems like a good idea but in the real world, probably not so much. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit (meant to send this to the list but apparently hit Reply as opposed to Reply All..) On Jun 12, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I think the reason we bolt the mast to the step is that some bright spark in the CCA decided that it was a good idea for boats doing the Bermuda race and it caught on. I remember thinking how useless the idea as I prepared a boat for the 1984 race. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wal, I think ventilation is the purpose also. Moot point now that I have a mast wrap though. The observation about bolting the mast base to the shoe is pretty much in line with my thinking; the forces at work in a major mast loss are probably going to overwhelm those bolts pretty quickly. I’ve thought about doing it with my mast but frankly it is a back-burner item for the time being. As a former owner (briefly) of a Bruce King designed Islander 37 I can imagine the damage done. The mast is encased by cabinetry and probably did a good bit of damage to that and the head. Those old seventies-era single-spreader masts were pretty stout… As far as the upcoming weather is concerned and as someone who has experienced sailing north up the Baja coast I would recommend that you consider heading south for the Canal and the Caribbean. No decent tacos but some great sailing to be had. The Chesapeake Bay is pretty nifty too. ;-) Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I vote for ventilation. I have 14 1/2 holes in the mast, about six inches from the collar. When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is truly amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the mast and shoots out through those holes. Often, that's happening when all the hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome. I never considered the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes sense. I'll have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where the smoke goes. VBG A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad line handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a container ship. http://www.pmbc.net/htmls/brokenboat.html The whole mast was spun in a big circle, and was devastating to the interior. I can only guess that the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the crash. Frankly, I don't know if having the mast bolted to the step would have done much good. When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked the rigger to drill a hole through everything so we could bolt it down, and he looked at me like I was an idiot. (At the time, he'd just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger in town.) He told my that my mast step had 2 high 1/2 thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over that it would be the least of my problems. Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two weeks of the season. I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will develop. I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather window to sail north. The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season. Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for dead calm to motor north. I don't like motoring for days on end. It's an insult to the boat. And it looks like this weekend there will be three days of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell. Cool. Give me 8 on a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at hull speed, with the boat on it's feet. I can set the sails, set the Monitor, and fire up the BBQ. The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so sailing the rhumb line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving forward. I will miss this place, though. The fishing boats pull in every morning, and I can walk over and get fish off the boat. I have often bought a kilo of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos. Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore and still have leftovers. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing --
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)
See section 3.12 of the ISAF rules : http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2014Parts1to619122013-[16036].pdf Rich On Jun 12, 2014, at 19:37, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Andy, Yup. I just helped a buddy bring his J120 from Annapolis to NEB for the upcoming Newport-Bermuda race and I’m pretty sure that the mast being bolted to the shoe was not done. Not sure anymore if it is even required. In theory it seems like a good idea but in the real world, probably not so much. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
...I'm going with weight reduction! sam :-) Original Message From: Leslie Paal via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:05 AM To: cnc-listCNC boat owners; Robert Abbott Reply To: Leslie Paal Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet. :-( Leslie. On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes To: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mast Holes
Chuck and anyone else wanting a picture of the 'mast holes' on our CC 32, I will send offline..there are 12 1/2 diameter holes and I am confident they are there for ventilation purposes and no other reasonappears Wally has them on 'Stella Blue' and feels they are effective for ventilation. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote: Hi Rob, Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast? Are they in a pattern? Why only on one side? Thanks, Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com, David davidrisc...@msn.com *Sent: *Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM *Subject: *Stus-List Mast Holes The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: *From: *jwstah...@comcast.net mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net *Subject: CC question* *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT *To: *F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mast Holes
Question is, in this case, we are not sure if you believed in things you read, and /or posted on the internet . Rob On 2014/06/12 1:01 PM, Leslie Paal wrote: That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet. :-( Leslie. On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes To: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
When I read it, in that context it made sense. I can point to many cases where designers put in 'fail-safe' point to avoid larger or more expensive damage. Fuses in electric circuits, shear-pins on outboards are good examples... As I sail in SoCal, the rig going over in a blow really was not foremost on my mind; so I did not give it any more thought till now. So I was wrong. Though, when I stay on the boat in the winter I wrap a towel on the mast to block the warm air to escape. :-) Leslie On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Subject: Mast Holes To: Leslie Paal lpaalc...@yahoo.com, cnc-listCNC boat owners cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:11 PM Question is, in this case, we are not sure if you believed in things you read, and /or posted on the internet . Rob On 2014/06/12 1:01 PM, Leslie Paal wrote: That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet. :-( Leslie. On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes To: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes
Great pictures Rob. Amazing. Definite pattern professionally done, but I don't have any idea why they would do that. If CC wanted to create a vent, why not space the holes further apart on both sides? I believe they help vent but that pattern of holes seems intended for another purpose. I don't think the holes would help the mast break there as suggested, but I'm not an engineer. If it did break there, it would tear out the whole collar and coachtop like a can opener. And imagine how that butt end might swing around inside the cabin before actually disconnecting. The desired breakpoint should be above the deck. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 12:07:33 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes When I read it, in that context it made sense. I can point to many cases where designers put in 'fail-safe' point to avoid larger or more expensive damage. Fuses in electric circuits, shear-pins on outboards are good examples... As I sail in SoCal, the rig going over in a blow really was not foremost on my mind; so I did not give it any more thought till now. So I was wrong. Though, when I stay on the boat in the winter I wrap a towel on the mast to block the warm air to escape. :-) Leslie On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Subject: Mast Holes To: Leslie Paal lpaalc...@yahoo.com, cnc-listCNC boat owners cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:11 PM Question is, in this case, we are not sure if you believed in things you read, and /or posted on the internet . Rob On 2014/06/12 1:01 PM, Leslie Paal wrote: That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet. :-( Leslie. On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes To: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM Chuck: I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I am on the boat. Yes they are definitely in a pattern. We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from CC, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told me the mast holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap
mast wrap warms up the cabin because it lowers heat loss? Interesting. Been thinking about adding one for halyard sound-muffling and aesthetics, but hadn't thought about warmth. Warmth matters on Lake Superior... Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Cornucopia, WI On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided. Its amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin. I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a mast wrap. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 + To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air from the bilge? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: *From: *jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net *Subject: CC question* *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT *To: *F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John -- http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup -- sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: *From: *jwstah...@comcast.net mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net *Subject: CC question* *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT *To: *F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Nate, Sorry, I meant warmth as in aesthetics...but I guess you could be right about temperature-warmth too. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) From: nateflesn...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:36:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap To: davidrisc...@msn.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mast wrap warms up the cabin because it lowers heat loss? Interesting.Been thinking about adding one for halyard sound-muffling and aesthetics, but hadn't thought about warmth.Warmth matters on Lake Superior... NateSarah Jean1980 30-1Siskiwit Bay MarinaCornucopia, WI On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided. Its amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin. I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a mast wrap. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 + To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air from the bilge? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: From: jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net Subject: CC question Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT To: F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Agree on the effect of “warmth” in the main cabin. We had excess Ultra-suede from our new cushions project and the upholsterer took a length of it, added thin foam backing and velcro to close it around the mast. I mention the foam because a previous poster mentioned damping the sound of halyards. It didn’t really but it looks the bit. As regards the holes in the mast, although I generally agree with Rob that it probably isn’t a structural issue I’d offer a differing opinion from an old friend who had a CC dealership in the 70’s and then later went on to work for Forespar. He was never comfortable with all those holes. He kept urging me to heli-arc a formed plate over the area to stiffen it. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Jun 11, 2014, at 9:05 AM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Nate, Sorry, I meant warmth as in aesthetics...but I guess you could be right about temperature-warmth too. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) From: nateflesn...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:36:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap To: davidrisc...@msn.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mast wrap warms up the cabin because it lowers heat loss? Interesting. Been thinking about adding one for halyard sound-muffling and aesthetics, but hadn't thought about warmth. Warmth matters on Lake Superior... Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Cornucopia, WI On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided. Its amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin. I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a mast wrap. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 + To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air from the bilge? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png Begin forwarded message: From: jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net Subject: CC question Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT To: F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave, I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? Thanks, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences
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The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a great bonus. Leslie On Wed, 6/11/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, David davidrisc...@msn.com Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2014, 6:01 AM The mast holes were made by CC at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are about a dozen 1/4 holes on our mast, port side just below the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal circumstances. And I don't think CC would have put them there if they thought it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. Tell your friend it is not a concern. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT Begin forwarded message: From: jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.net Subject: CC question
Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap
I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided. Its amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin. I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a mast wrap. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 + To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air from the bilge? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: CC question Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks Cheers John and MaryannLegacy III1982 CC 34Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List Fwd: CC question I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CT Begin forwarded message: From: jwstah...@comcast.net jwstah...@comcast.netSubject: CC questionDate: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDTTo: F5, David davidakne...@gmail.com Hi Dave,I've looked at 3 CCs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4 holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another reason? Is it something I should be concerned about?Thanks,John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
