Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole end fittings
Put a tie wrap around the trigger projection that's inside the jaws to hold it triggered and now your back to a standard set up. Now you'll both types to choose from. Some wipping or lashing would probably work also and be easy to change back. On Fri., Mar. 13, 2020, 4:08 p.m. Bruno Lachance via CnC-List, < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I don't post a lot but i've been following this list for over 10 years now. > > I need your help today, especcially looking for experience bowman feedback > and advice. > > I'm in the market for a spinnaker pole for ou 33-2 and i have to choose > between "standard" end fittings, like the UXP Forespar or Selden and the > UTR from Forespar or what we could call a "trigger" fitting. > > My experience is more with asymetrical kites so i dont really have an > opinion on one versus the other. we usually sail short handed and club race > with a small crew, the UTR fitting seems nice and modern but is there any > downside ? like is there a risk i will need to fight with it if it doesn't > want to trigger on the sheet\guy in very light air when there is not a lot > of tension on the ropes? > > Are those trigger fittings really a plus or should i go classic? > > My only spinnaker is a light-medium air A2. i have a ring car on the mast. > My plan is to go with end for end gybing. > > Thank you for your knowledge on that subject. > > > > Bruno Lachance > Bécassine, 33-2 #166 > New-Richmond, Qc > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Spinnaker pole end fittings
Hi Bruno, I have done foredeck on several boats. Both end-o's and dip pole, I like the triggers for dip pole but I don't feel that they would be any advantage at all for end for end. And on 35' and smaller boats you definitely want to be doing the end-o's. I suggest to keep it simple and stick with standard ends. Regards, Morgan Meandher 30-2 Thunder Bay, ON ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Spinnaker pole end fittings
Hi, I don't post a lot but i've been following this list for over 10 years now. I need your help today, especcially looking for experience bowman feedback and advice. I'm in the market for a spinnaker pole for ou 33-2 and i have to choose between "standard" end fittings, like the UXP Forespar or Selden and the UTR from Forespar or what we could call a "trigger" fitting. My experience is more with asymetrical kites so i dont really have an opinion on one versus the other. we usually sail short handed and club race with a small crew, the UTR fitting seems nice and modern but is there any downside ? like is there a risk i will need to fight with it if it doesn't want to trigger on the sheet\guy in very light air when there is not a lot of tension on the ropes? Are those trigger fittings really a plus or should i go classic? My only spinnaker is a light-medium air A2. i have a ring car on the mast. My plan is to go with end for end gybing. Thank you for your knowledge on that subject. Bruno Lachance Bécassine, 33-2 #166 New-Richmond, Qc ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
My check stays came with the boat and I still use them--the XL mast from Southern Spars is relatively 'bendy', not a tree trunk like the 35, etc. Although they are a little of a PITA, I think they do hold the mast to windward (although their 'pull' is mostly to the port and starboard quarter). While racing, the windward stay is tightened by the headsail trimmer while the leeward is released by the other headsail trimmer. Since they do not pull against a baby stay any long, they don't 'bend' the mast so much as 'stiffen' it. Charlie Nelson '95 C&C 36 XL/kcb Water Phantom cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: jacob fuerst via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: jacob fuerst Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2016 9:05 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Did you add check stays? I have the baby stay but no check stays. Jacob Fuerst '78 C&C 36 303-520-4669 On Dec 4, 2016 8:04 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: Not any longer--ditched that many years ago on the advice on my sailmaker who saw little reason for it on a masthead rig without swept back spreaders and with check stays except for reducing pumping in chop. Charlie cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: jacob fuerst via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: jacob fuerst Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2016 9:34 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Do you have a baby stay? Jacob Fuerst '78 C&C 36 303-520-4669 On Dec 4, 2016 6:21 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Did you add check stays? I have the baby stay but no check stays. Jacob Fuerst '78 C&C 36 303-520-4669 On Dec 4, 2016 8:04 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: > Not any longer--ditched that many years ago on the advice on my sailmaker > who saw little reason for it on a masthead rig without swept back spreaders > and with check stays except for reducing pumping in chop. > > Charlie > > cenel...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: jacob fuerst via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: jacob fuerst > Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2016 9:34 pm > Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling > > Do you have a baby stay? > > Jacob Fuerst > '78 C&C 36 > 303-520-4669 <(303)%20520-4669> > > On Dec 4, 2016 6:21 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our >> kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes >> or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with >> snap-in fitting on both ends. >> >> We always use lazy sheets and guys. >> >> As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or >> should use. >> >> However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our >> jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I >> share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the >> jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man >> struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time >> and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it >> also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and >> shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. >> >> I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes >> above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what >> seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when >> we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole >> downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of >> them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened >> out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. >> >> OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole >> in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly >> a need for more practice. >> >> My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in >> so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water >> Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always >> use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. >> >> Charlie Nelson >> Water Phantom >> C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Loved it. This guy makes me look like a saint. I showed it to my whole crew errr I mean family :-) -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Eric…James Bibb here…picked up 34/36 with a dip pole and am contemplating assymetrical conversion. I had a Cal 29 with a bowsprit, since-line furler set up and concur. Mind sharing more about your set-up? I rarely have 7 people handy enough. NørthWind Architects, LLC James Bibb Principal 126 Seward Street Juneau, AK 99801 p.907.586.6150 ext 205 f.907.586.6181 c.907.321.4265 www.northwindarch.com www.facebook.com/northwindarchitects > On Dec 7, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Eric Baumes via CnC-List > wrote: > > I switched to an asymmetrical with a retrofit bow sprit. I'll never gybe a > symmetrical chute again. > > After the first gybe with the new setup, my crew confessed that used to dread > when the boat turned downwind. > > For everything to work well on a dip gybe you need 7. Now I can fly the chute > and gybe with as few as 2 crew. > > In light wind we sail the angle we probably should have sailed with the > symmetrical. In heavy air we can sail pretty deep. > > Eric > > C&C 34/36 > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Persuasion37 via CnC-List > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > And that is why I don't race. Great video. > > Mike > PERSUASION > C&C 37 K/CB > Long Sault > > On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > >> That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't >> have a gazillion views. >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> Damn Kevin I howled >> >> How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season! >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following >> instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A <https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List >> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having >> the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain >> plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined >> through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and >> then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there >> is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop >> the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast >> without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims >> back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and >> then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought >> in. >> >> And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that >> call as well… >> >> All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com >> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM >> To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> >> Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> >> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling >> >> Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the >> chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to >> move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the center >> seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the >> foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. >> A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat >> keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe >> the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the center >> seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. >> When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on >> the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go >> smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch >> the center seam! >> >> Dennis C. >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List >> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> Yikes
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
I switched to an asymmetrical with a retrofit bow sprit. I'll never gybe a symmetrical chute again. After the first gybe with the new setup, my crew confessed that used to dread when the boat turned downwind. For everything to work well on a dip gybe you need 7. Now I can fly the chute and gybe with as few as 2 crew. In light wind we sail the angle we probably should have sailed with the symmetrical. In heavy air we can sail pretty deep. Eric C&C 34/36 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Persuasion37 via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > And that is why I don't race. Great video. > > Mike > PERSUASION > C&C 37 K/CB > Long Sault > > On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't > have a gazillion views. > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Damn Kevin I howled >> >> How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season! >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following >> instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is >> having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the >> chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined >> through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, >> and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and >> there is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to >> drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast >> without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims >> back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and >> then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is >> brought in. >> >> And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until >> that call as well… >> >> All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis >> C. via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM >> *To:* CnClist >> *Cc:* Dennis C. >> >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling >> >> Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the >> chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy >> to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the >> center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then >> the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. >> A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the >> boat keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the >> foredeck gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on >> the center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the >> forestay. >> When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made >> on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go >> smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch >> the center seam! >> >> Dennis C. >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! >> >> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully >> concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted >> monkey at the blunt end [image: ��] >> Cheers, >> Paul. >> >> 1974 27' MkII >> Sidney, BC. >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> _
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
And that is why I don't race. Great video. Mike PERSUASION C&C 37 K/CB Long Sault > On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List > wrote: > > That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't > have a gazillion views. > > >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Damn Kevin I howled >> >> How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season! >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> >> Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following >> instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having >> the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain >> plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined >> through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and >> then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there >> is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop >> the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast >> without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims >> back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and >> then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought >> in. >> >> And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that >> call as well… >> >> All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM >> To: CnClist >> Cc: Dennis C. >> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling >> >> Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the >> chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to >> move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the center >> seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the >> foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. >> A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat >> keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe >> the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the center >> seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. >> When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on >> the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go >> smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch >> the center seam! >> >> Dennis C. >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! >> >> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. >> Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at >> the blunt end >> Cheers, >> Paul. >> >> 1974 27' MkII >> Sidney, BC. >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
We need to put that guy on the pointy end of my 42 in 20-25 knots of breeze with the massive chute and (mostly) following seas. Even the church-goers start sounding like him. From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Kevin Driscoll Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't have a gazillion views. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List wrote: Damn Kevin I howled How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season! John On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote: Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote: Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought in. And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that call as well… All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch the center seam! Dennis C. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List wrote: As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the blunt end Cheers, Paul. 1974 27' MkII Sidney, BC. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't have a gazillion views. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List wrote: > Damn Kevin I howled > > How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season! > > John > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following > instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is > having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the > chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined > through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, > and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and > there is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to > drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast > without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims > back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and > then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is > brought in. > > And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until > that call as well… > > All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis > C. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM > *To:* CnClist > *Cc:* Dennis C. > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling > > Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the > chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy > to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the > center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then > the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. > A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat > keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the foredeck > gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the > center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. > When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made > on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go > smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch > the center seam! > > Dennis C. > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully > concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted > monkey at the blunt end [image: ��] > Cheers, > Paul. > > 1974 27' MkII > Sidney, BC. > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Damn Kevin I howled How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season! John On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote: Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List wrote: Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought in. And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that call as well… All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole.A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay.When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch the center seam! Dennis C. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List wrote: As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the blunt end Cheers,Paul. 1974 27' MkII Sidney, BC. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is > having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the > chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined > through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, > and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and > there is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to > drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast > without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims > back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and > then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is > brought in. > > > > And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until > that call as well… > > > > All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis > C. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM > *To:* CnClist > *Cc:* Dennis C. > > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling > > > > Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the > chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy > to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the > center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then > the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. > > A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat > keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the foredeck > gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the > center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. > > When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made > on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go > smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch > the center seam! > > > > Dennis C. > > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully > concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted > monkey at the blunt end [image: ��] > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > > > 1974 27' MkII > > Sidney, BC. > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined through practice. When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there is no load on the new guy. The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast without any real load on the pole via the guy. The guy trimmer only trims back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought in. And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that call as well… All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page… ;) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch the center seam! Dennis C. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the blunt end Cheers, Paul. 1974 27' MkII Sidney, BC. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side. If the center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole. A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe the chute back and forth a few times. Put a piece of tape on the center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay. When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go smoothly. The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson! Watch the center seam! Dennis C. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully > concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted > monkey at the blunt end [image: ��] > Cheers, > Paul. > > 1974 27' MkII > Sidney, BC. > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of David > Kaseler via CnC-List > *Sent:* December 5, 2016 6:09 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* David Kaseler; Michael Brown > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling > > Turns out, in my view, the success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is > controlled at the helm. When the boat is correctly driven through the > maneuver the job on the foredeck is much more manageable. Please don't tell > my wife the skipper. > Dave. K > SLY 1975 C&C 33 > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys!
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As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the blunt end [😉] Cheers, Paul. 1974 27' MkII Sidney, BC. From: CnC-List on behalf of David Kaseler via CnC-List Sent: December 5, 2016 6:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Kaseler; Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Turns out, in my view, the success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is controlled at the helm. When the boat is correctly driven through the maneuver the job on the foredeck is much more manageable. Please don't tell my wife the skipper. Dave. K SLY 1975 C&C 33 Sent from my iPad ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Turns out, in my view, the success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is controlled at the helm. When the boat is correctly driven through the maneuver the job on the foredeck is much more manageable. Please don't tell my wife the skipper. Dave. K SLY 1975 C&C 33 Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List > wrote: > > On Windburn we do end-for-end due to carrying an oversized pole. > The J is 13.5' and the the pole is 14.4'. We normally do not have guys. > > If there is difficulty keeping the chute stable and helping out foredeck > by steering the chute try centering the main for a moment just as they > are about to snap in the mast end. > > Further to what Dennis is advising I find that losing the sail area of the > spinnaker due to it not drawing well is slower than losing the sail area > of the main for 5 - 10 seconds during the gybe. Note that the symmetrical > spinnaker is 850 sq ft vs 225 sq ft for the main on Windburn. > > In very light winds when gybing from a hot angle centering the main > also helps to keep the spinnaker from collapsing and wrapping the > forestay. > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > From: "Dennis C." > > Charlie, > > While many consider 35-36 feet the upper limit for end for end gybes, we > use end for end with an aluminum pole on Touche' (35-1). With the right > technique, you shouldn't have issues. > > I've been doing foredeck since the mid 90's. I think the key to a good, > and safe, end for end gybe is the driver and the way the driver and crew > think about the gybe. > > Many sailors think a chute gybe is moving the chute across the boat. I > don't subscribe to that philosophy. > > A better way to think about gybing is you're moving the BOAT under the > chute. Doesn't sound like much of a difference but it really is. The idea > is to keep the chute flying and drawing while the driver gradually steers > the boat to the new course. If the chute continues to fly effectively, > connecting the pole to the new sheet and then the mast will be nearly > effortless. > > Sit down with your crew and talk about gybing with this philosophy. It may > be the difference you need. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our > > kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes > > or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with > > snap-in fitting on both ends. > > > > We always use lazy sheets and guys. > > > > As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or > > should use. > > > > However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our > > jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I > > share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the > > jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man > > struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time > > and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it > > also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and > > shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. > > > > I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above > > about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems > > like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we > > raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole > > downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of > > them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened > > out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. > > > > OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in > > the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a > > need for more practice. > > > > My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in > > so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water > > Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always > > use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. > > > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom > > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > > cenel...@aol.com > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please g
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On Windburn we do end-for-end due to carrying an oversized pole. The J is 13.5' and the the pole is 14.4'. We normally do not have guys. If there is difficulty keeping the chute stable and helping out foredeck by steering the chute try centering the main for a moment just as they are about to snap in the mast end. Further to what Dennis is advising I find that losing the sail area of the spinnaker due to it not drawing well is slower than losing the sail area of the main for 5 - 10 seconds during the gybe. Note that the symmetrical spinnaker is 850 sq ft vs 225 sq ft for the main on Windburn. In very light winds when gybing from a hot angle centering the main also helps to keep the spinnaker from collapsing and wrapping the forestay. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 From: "Dennis C." Charlie, While many consider 35-36 feet the upper limit for end for end gybes, we use end for end with an aluminum pole on Touche' (35-1). With the right technique, you shouldn't have issues. I've been doing foredeck since the mid 90's. I think the key to a good, and safe, end for end gybe is the driver and the way the driver and crew think about the gybe. Many sailors think a chute gybe is moving the chute across the boat. I don't subscribe to that philosophy. A better way to think about gybing is you're moving the BOAT under the chute. Doesn't sound like much of a difference but it really is. The idea is to keep the chute flying and drawing while the driver gradually steers the boat to the new course. If the chute continues to fly effectively, connecting the pole to the new sheet and then the mast will be nearly effortless. Sit down with your crew and talk about gybing with this philosophy. It may be the difference you need. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our > kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes > or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with > snap-in fitting on both ends. > > We always use lazy sheets and guys. > > As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or > should use. > > However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our > jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I > share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the > jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man > struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time > and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it > also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and > shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. > > I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above > about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems > like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we > raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole > downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of > them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened > out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. > > OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in > the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a > need for more practice. > > My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in > so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water > Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always > use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > cenel...@aol.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I have never done anything but dip-pole gybes on our C&C 35. We have also done "chicken gybes" where you drop the spinnaker totally and rehoist it on the other tack. We did this a couple of times in heavy air and thought we were being total wussies until we realized we gained a few boats over the boats that broke poles, wrapped the chute big time, or otherwise had gybing disasters. Sailing shorthanded and cruising, I fly the chute in asym mode and gybe from the cockpit with no more issues than gybing the genoa. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 10:04 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Charlie: I was foredeck person racing, and we did a lot of racing. As the boats got bigger we did dip-pole jibes.they are quick, easy and most importantly, safe. Changing from end to end gybes, we made the same mistakes as you, but to do it right, practice, practice and practice.and we did. Before the gybe and trip of the old guy, bring the pole back almost perpendicular so the release is clean. Then as helsman, after the pole is released, square off the spin in front of the boat until the new guy is made.one mistake is that the helsman over steers the boat before the crew completes the jibe. Have mast person raise inboard end of pole ready to trip pole (old guy),..have your foredeck person in front of the forestay crouching down looking back leaning forward on the forestayhe always holds the new guy with the palm always pointed down to drop new guy in jaws .this way the thumb is always pointed back and can be used to pressure the jaw(s|) to close..always hold new guy the same way and you will never wrap jaws..have mast person assist with guiding the pole down to the foredeck person and help the pit man to raise the pole. The dip pole gybe is a choreography with many people doing all the right things at the right time and when you get it right, you won't want to do end for end gybes. The helmsman, pit man, trimmers, mast man and foredeck person all have to pay attention and know what each is doing and when. Go out and practice. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-12-04 10:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Charlie: I was foredeck person racing, and we did a lot of racing. As the boats got bigger we did dip-pole jibes.they are quick, easy and most importantly, safe. Changing from end to end gybes, we made the same mistakes as you, but to do it right, practice, practice and practice.and we did. Before the gybe and trip of the old guy, bring the pole back almost perpendicular so the release is clean. Then as helsman, after the pole is released, square off the spin in front of the boat until the new guy is made.one mistake is that the helsman over steers the boat before the crew completes the jibe. Have mast person raise inboard end of pole ready to trip pole (old guy),..have your foredeck person in front of the forestay crouching down looking back leaning forward on the forestayhe always holds the new guy with the palm always pointed down to drop new guy in jaws .this way the thumb is always pointed back and can be used to pressure the jaw(s|) to close..always hold new guy the same way and you will never wrap jaws..have mast person assist with guiding the pole down to the foredeck person and help the pit man to raise the pole. The dip pole gybe is a choreography with many people doing all the right things at the right time and when you get it right, you won't want to do end for end gybes. The helmsman, pit man, trimmers, mast man and foredeck person all have to pay attention and know what each is doing and when. Go out and practice. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-12-04 10:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote: We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Charlie: I have a 42 and we only dip the pole. I have raced on smaller boats, however, and Mike’s assessment is good. That said, your question indicates that you want to commit to one method or the other (to get really good at it), and you’re asking for a suggestion as to which one to choose. Given that the dip method will most certainly need to be used above 10 knots or so on your boat, I would commit to this method. Otherwise, your crew will continue to practice two methods and may not master one. My two cents. MLW From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:00 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Hi Charlie I would like to first say that our family had a 1981 C&C 36 since new for nine years. However we rarely flew the spinnaker on it, never raced and I do not recall ever gybing. That said I did feel that it was a big powerful boat at the time. On our boats we have always done end for end because it is simpler and faster. Initially on our Niagara 26 we did dip pole (because I knew no other way) and it was slow and un-necessary and we switched to end for end. We carried this over to the J/27 as well. We have always sailed with just one sheet/guy on either side. In the Frers fleet however at 33 feet LOA dip pole starts to become more common and half the boats use separate sheets and guys and some do dip pole when the wind pipes up. We have stayed with end for end and one set of lines because it is easier and because I have no intention of flying the chute when it is truly windy. On a friend’s C&C33-2 the pole has ends that only allow dip pole and they are considering changing so they can do end for end. With the C&C 115 we were always dip pole. The pole is set up so only that is possible. >From what I understand after a certain size dip pole is not only much safer >but just about all that is possible. I would think that a C&C 36 is pretty >much approaching that size with its masthead rig and relatively large J. On our boat I often end up doing foredeck (because we have a lot of people capable of doing the other jobs). There are usually two factors that make an end for end gybe difficult. The first is the driver turning before the mast end is made which puts excessive pressure on the pole and can make completing the gybe nearly impossible. The second is when the person on the new guy sheets it in too soon putting pressure on the mast end. As it gets windier both of these situations become more difficult to resolve On the C&C 115 I was on main. Of course like many main trimmers I would too often watch the foredeck rather than my sail. Dip pole required a good mast man along with a good bow man and they had to be in sync. With the extra line we very frequently managed to wrap the new guy around the jaws rather thn allowing it to move freely. Many times we did not have smooth gybes as a result. From this perspective end for end would be much simpler If the 36 were my boat and we were used to end for end I would stick with that up til 8 knows with single sheet and guy and then dip pole with double sheet/guy above that. This would make for the quickest gybes IMO Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Hi Charlie I would like to first say that our family had a 1981 C&C 36 since new for nine years. However we rarely flew the spinnaker on it, never raced and I do not recall ever gybing. That said I did feel that it was a big powerful boat at the time. On our boats we have always done end for end because it is simpler and faster. Initially on our Niagara 26 we did dip pole (because I knew no other way) and it was slow and un-necessary and we switched to end for end. We carried this over to the J/27 as well. We have always sailed with just one sheet/guy on either side. In the Frers fleet however at 33 feet LOA dip pole starts to become more common and half the boats use separate sheets and guys and some do dip pole when the wind pipes up. We have stayed with end for end and one set of lines because it is easier and because I have no intention of flying the chute when it is truly windy. On a friend’s C&C33-2 the pole has ends that only allow dip pole and they are considering changing so they can do end for end. With the C&C 115 we were always dip pole. The pole is set up so only that is possible. From what I understand after a certain size dip pole is not only much safer but just about all that is possible. I would think that a C&C 36 is pretty much approaching that size with its masthead rig and relatively large J. On our boat I often end up doing foredeck (because we have a lot of people capable of doing the other jobs). There are usually two factors that make an end for end gybe difficult. The first is the driver turning before the mast end is made which puts excessive pressure on the pole and can make completing the gybe nearly impossible. The second is when the person on the new guy sheets it in too soon putting pressure on the mast end. As it gets windier both of these situations become more difficult to resolve On the C&C 115 I was on main. Of course like many main trimmers I would too often watch the foredeck rather than my sail. Dip pole required a good mast man along with a good bow man and they had to be in sync. With the extra line we very frequently managed to wrap the new guy around the jaws rather thn allowing it to move freely. Many times we did not have smooth gybes as a result. From this perspective end for end would be much simpler If the 36 were my boat and we were used to end for end I would stick with that up til 8 knows with single sheet and guy and then dip pole with double sheet/guy above that. This would make for the quickest gybes IMO Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cenel...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com<mailto:cenel...@aol.com> ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to
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Not any longer--ditched that many years ago on the advice on my sailmaker who saw little reason for it on a masthead rig without swept back spreaders and with check stays except for reducing pumping in chop. Charlie cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: jacob fuerst via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: jacob fuerst Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2016 9:34 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Do you have a baby stay? Jacob Fuerst '78 C&C 36 303-520-4669 On Dec 4, 2016 6:21 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Charlie, While many consider 35-36 feet the upper limit for end for end gybes, we use end for end with an aluminum pole on Touche' (35-1). With the right technique, you shouldn't have issues. I've been doing foredeck since the mid 90's. I think the key to a good, and safe, end for end gybe is the driver and the way the driver and crew think about the gybe. Many sailors think a chute gybe is moving the chute across the boat. I don't subscribe to that philosophy. A better way to think about gybing is you're moving the BOAT under the chute. Doesn't sound like much of a difference but it really is. The idea is to keep the chute flying and drawing while the driver gradually steers the boat to the new course. If the chute continues to fly effectively, connecting the pole to the new sheet and then the mast will be nearly effortless. Sit down with your crew and talk about gybing with this philosophy. It may be the difference you need. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our > kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes > or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with > snap-in fitting on both ends. > > We always use lazy sheets and guys. > > As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or > should use. > > However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our > jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I > share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the > jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man > struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time > and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it > also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and > shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. > > I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above > about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems > like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we > raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole > downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of > them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened > out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. > > OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in > the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a > need for more practice. > > My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in > so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water > Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always > use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > cenel...@aol.com > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
I've been using dip pole gybes for the past forty years. I even did it that way with my thirty foot Ericson, before getting my present boat. Dip pole gybes are always safer, since you don't have to disconnect the pole from the mast. the crew just needs practice. Get out and gybe back and forth while going downwind, until they get it. Meanwhile, you have to concentrate on steering straight. Don't watch what the crew is doing. If you want to get involved in the gybe, give the helm to someone else, and make sure they steer straight, and not watch the foredeck crew. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our > kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes > or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with > snap-in fitting on both ends. > > We always use lazy sheets and guys. > > As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or > should use. > > However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our > jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I > share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the > jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man > struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time > and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it > also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and > shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. > > I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above > about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems > like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we > raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole > downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of > them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened > out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. > > OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in > the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a > need for more practice. > > My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in > so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water > Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always > use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > cenel...@aol.com > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www. > paypal.me_stumurray&d=DgICAg&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN > 0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m= > 64esgnaRtNrru38cSeMV1cCK74ym6SRRTIQCo09WIAI&s=9os9S0Y5FfpJjQWUPU17DyUPj_ > 9MICfQn0C8EOC4aA4&e= > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > -- Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
Do you have a baby stay? Jacob Fuerst '78 C&C 36 303-520-4669 On Dec 4, 2016 6:21 PM, "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" wrote: > We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our > kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes > or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with > snap-in fitting on both ends. > > We always use lazy sheets and guys. > > As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or > should use. > > However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our > jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I > share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the > jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man > struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time > and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it > also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and > shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. > > I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above > about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems > like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we > raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole > downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of > them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened > out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. > > OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in > the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a > need for more practice. > > My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in > so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water > Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always > use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > cenel...@aol.com > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with snap-in fitting on both ends. We always use lazy sheets and guys. As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or should use. However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a need for more practice. My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb
Had a brainwave today and picked up a large exhaust pipe expander from princess auto today (a Canadian version of Harbour Freight) Worked very well indeed to press the dent out from the inside, and coincidentally straighten the bend - no doubt it is not at its original strength, but overall not bad at all! Dave Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:13:31 -0600 From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'd do that. Buy a tube and move everything. With the dent so close to the end, you could cut it off and sell the remainder on eBay. Dennis C. On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 8:51 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > We bent/dented a spin pole on a C&C 33 MKII forgot to release the baby > stay on a jibegot a new length of aluminum tube and used all the > existing hardwarethe Binnacle did all the work for a few hundred > $$$.FYI > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > On 2016-11-14 6:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List wrote: > > Dave, > > I?d be very wary of any dent fix solution that doesn?t involve a sleeve. > Even better, simply buy a length of aluminum tube of the same dimensions, > cut it to length and add all the existing hardware. I don?t have any > numbers but I have to believe it will be cheaper than having someone try to > pull the dent out. > > Remember, when that spinnaker is up it will be putting a large amount of > strain on that pole. Having it fold up at the wrong moment will be un-fun. > > Best, > Dave Godwin > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > Reedville - Chesapeake Bay > Ronin?s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > > On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:30 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Dave.call your local Dr. Dent repair...find him in the automotive > services section of your yellow pages.. > Those guys do this on metal all the time. > Ron C. > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > > > -----Original Message- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: syerd...@gmail.com > Sent: 2016-11-14 5:26:16 PM > Subject: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb > > Evening all, > > This winter's theme is running rigging, and this includes dealing with the > spinnaker pole, which is dented, slightly bent, and needs a new shock cord > bridle. Per recommendations here, I picked up the shock cord tools last > weekend in Nova Scotia - that part is easy. Any suggestions on how to > with the dent/bend? > > See photos here. Sent from my iPhone___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb
I'd do that. Buy a tube and move everything. With the dent so close to the end, you could cut it off and sell the remainder on eBay. Dennis C. On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 8:51 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > We bent/dented a spin pole on a C&C 33 MKII forgot to release the baby > stay on a jibegot a new length of aluminum tube and used all the > existing hardwarethe Binnacle did all the work for a few hundred > $$$.FYI > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > On 2016-11-14 6:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List wrote: > > Dave, > > I’d be very wary of any dent fix solution that doesn’t involve a sleeve. > Even better, simply buy a length of aluminum tube of the same dimensions, > cut it to length and add all the existing hardware. I don’t have any > numbers but I have to believe it will be cheaper than having someone try to > pull the dent out. > > Remember, when that spinnaker is up it will be putting a large amount of > strain on that pole. Having it fold up at the wrong moment will be un-fun. > > Best, > Dave Godwin > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > Reedville - Chesapeake Bay > Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > > On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:30 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Dave.call your local Dr. Dent repair...find him in the automotive > services section of your yellow pages.. > Those guys do this on metal all the time. > Ron C. > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > > > -----Original Message- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: syerd...@gmail.com > Sent: 2016-11-14 5:26:16 PM > Subject: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb > > Evening all, > > This winter's theme is running rigging, and this includes dealing with the > spinnaker pole, which is dented, slightly bent, and needs a new shock cord > bridle. Per recommendations here, I picked up the shock cord tools last > weekend in Nova Scotia - that part is easy. Any suggestions on how to > with the dent/bend? > > See photos here. > > http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2016/11/spinnaker-pole-repair.html > > Thanks, Dave '85 33-2 Windstar > > > > ___ This list is supported by > the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution > to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb
We bent/dented a spin pole on a C&C 33 MKII forgot to release the baby stay on a jibegot a new length of aluminum tube and used all the existing hardwarethe Binnacle did all the work for a few hundred $$$.FYI Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2016-11-14 6:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List wrote: Dave, I’d be very wary of any dent fix solution that doesn’t involve a sleeve. Even better, simply buy a length of aluminum tube of the same dimensions, cut it to length and add all the existing hardware. I don’t have any numbers but I have to believe it will be cheaper than having someone try to pull the dent out. Remember, when that spinnaker is up it will be putting a large amount of strain on that pole. Having it fold up at the wrong moment will be un-fun. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:30 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Dave.call your local Dr. Dent repair...find him in the automotive services section of your yellow pages.. Those guys do this on metal all the time. Ron C. Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App -Original Message- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: syerd...@gmail.com <mailto:syerd...@gmail.com> Sent: 2016-11-14 5:26:16 PM Subject: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb Evening all, This winter's theme is running rigging, and this includes dealing with the spinnaker pole, which is dented, slightly bent, and needs a new shock cord bridle. Per recommendations here, I picked up the shock cord tools last weekend in Nova Scotia - that part is easy. Any suggestions on how to with the dent/bend? See photos here. http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2016/11/spinnaker-pole-repair.html Thanks, Dave '85 33-2 Windstar ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb
Dave, I’d be very wary of any dent fix solution that doesn’t involve a sleeve. Even better, simply buy a length of aluminum tube of the same dimensions, cut it to length and add all the existing hardware. I don’t have any numbers but I have to believe it will be cheaper than having someone try to pull the dent out. Remember, when that spinnaker is up it will be putting a large amount of strain on that pole. Having it fold up at the wrong moment will be un-fun. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:30 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List > wrote: > > Dave.call your local Dr. Dent repair...find him in the automotive > services section of your yellow pages.. > Those guys do this on metal all the time. > Ron C. > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > > > -Original Message- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: syerd...@gmail.com > Sent: 2016-11-14 5:26:16 PM > Subject: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb > > Evening all, > > This winter's theme is running rigging, and this includes dealing with the > spinnaker pole, which is dented, slightly bent, and needs a new shock cord > bridle. Per recommendations here, I picked up the shock cord tools last > weekend in Nova Scotia - that part is easy. Any suggestions on how to with > the dent/bend? > > See photos here. > > http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2016/11/spinnaker-pole-repair.html > <http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2016/11/spinnaker-pole-repair.html> > > Thanks, Dave '85 33-2 Windstar > > > > ___ This list is supported by the > generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to > offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb
Dave.call your local Dr. Dent repair...find him in the automotive services section of your yellow pages..Those guys do this on metal all the time.Ron C.Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: syerd...@gmail.comSent: 2016-11-14 5:26:16 PM Subject: Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurbEvening all,This winter's theme is running rigging, and this includes dealing with the spinnaker pole, which is dented, slightly bent, and needs a new shock cord bridle. Per recommendations here, I picked up the shock cord tools last weekend in Nova Scotia - that part is easy. Any suggestions on how to with the dent/bend?See photos here.http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2016/11/spinnaker-pole-repair.htmlThanks, Dave '85 33-2 Windstar ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List spinnaker pole repair and refurb
Evening all, This winter's theme is running rigging, and this includes dealing with the spinnaker pole, which is dented, slightly bent, and needs a new shock cord bridle. Per recommendations here, I picked up the shock cord tools last weekend in Nova Scotia - that part is easy. Any suggestions on how to with the dent/bend? See photos here. http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2016/11/spinnaker-pole-repair.html Thanks, Dave '85 33-2 Windstar ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole "uphaul" ??
Boat "ropes" are divided into categories. Two major categories are "uppy downy" lines and "innie outie" lines. The thingie that holds the spinnaker stick up is an "uppy downie" line. Sheets are "innie outie" lines. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List > wrote: > > > That's the second call.! > > > At 04:50 PM 12/12/2015, you wrote: >> I thought everybody called it the upf**ker. >> >> Jim Watts >> Paradigm Shift >> C&C 35 Mk III >> Victoria, BC >> >> On 11 December 2015 at 22:16, Russ & Melody via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Hi Chuck, >> >> Maybe I should have used in the response. Email message can be >> difficult to express subtleties, but I probably should have warned you about >> clarifying sailing terms here. My approval rating has been about 50/50 so >> far. >> >> The topping lift was never just for the main boom. It was in general use for >> any spar lift at the lower portion of a sail, main, stays'l or spinnaker. >> Club footed jib excepted of course and upper spars having other cute names, >> such as peak halyard. >> >> Anyhow, these days it seems we're all correct. Most of us foredeck guys from >> the 70s & 80s would know the smallest wire & snap shackle is the top'n' >> lift, or later on to become the "pole lift". >> >> And as you say, when a foredeck mate yells at the pit for uphaul, he really >> wants the inboard end of the spinnaker pole raised. It is remarkable how >> long it can take for this simple request to be acknowledged sometimes. :) >> >> But don't be too hard on newbies. If their source of info is the Internet >> they get advice from Wiki such as this: >> >>> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >>> This article is about the spar. For floating barriers to control access to >>> harbours and rivers, see boom (navigational barrier). >>> For other uses, see Boom . >>>  In sailing, a boom is a spar (pole), along the foot (bottom edge) of a >>> fore and aft rigged sail , [1] that...          (good so far, >>> but..) >> >>> The topping lift (more rarely known as an uphaul) is a line which applies >>> upward force on a boom on a sailboat. >> >>> A topping lift may also refer to a line on the front of the mast used to >>> rig the spinnaker pole. It is used to trim the pole to the proper height >>> when hoisting the spinnaker. >> >> Hoo boy. Where do we go from here? >> >>         Cheers, Russ >>         Sweet 35 mk-1 >> >> >> >> >> >> At 02:27 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: >>> I like to differentiate two very different animals: >>> The Topping Lift" goes to the boom end. The "Spinnaker Pole Lift" >>> controls the Pole end while there is an uphaul and downhaul on the spin >>> pole car on the mast, I prefer to name the mast control lines, "spin pole >>> car uphaul and downhaul". >>> >>> Chuck >>> Resolute >>> 1990 C&C 34R >>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >>> >>> From: "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: "Russ & Melody" >>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:38:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole >>> >>> >>> Do you mean the top'n' lift? :) >>> >>> >>> At 02:25 PM 10/12/2015, you wrote: >>> Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? >>> >>> From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: "Pamela & David" >>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM >>> Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole >>> Hello >>> Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? >>> I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking >>> for a quick job to replace >>> >>> ___ >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Email addr
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole "uphaul" ??
That's the second call.! At 04:50 PM 12/12/2015, you wrote: I thought everybody called it the upf**ker. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 11 December 2015 at 22:16, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hi Chuck, Maybe I should have used in the response. Email message can be difficult to express subtleties, but I probably should have warned you about clarifying sailing terms here. My approval rating has been about 50/50 so far. The topping lift was never just for the main boom. It was in general use for any spar lift at the lower portion of a sail, main, stays'l or spinnaker. Club footed jib excepted of course and upper spars having other cute names, such as peak halyard. Anyhow, these days it seems we're all correct. Most of us foredeck guys from the 70s & 80s would know the smallest wire & snap shackle is the top'n' lift, or later on to become the "pole lift". And as you say, when a foredeck mate yells at the pit for uphaul, he really wants the inboard end of the spinnaker pole raised. It is remarkable how long it can take for this simple request to be acknowledged sometimes. :) But don't be too hard on newbies. If their source of info is the Internet they get advice from Wiki such as this: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the spar. For floating barriers to control access to harbours and rivers, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28navigational_barrier%29>boom (navigational barrier). For other uses, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28disambiguation%29>Boom .  In <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing>sailing, a boom is a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spar_%28sailing%29>spar (pole), along the <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_of_a_sail#The_edges>foot (bottom edge) of a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fore_and_aft>fore and aft rigged <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail>sail ,<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29#cite_note-1> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29#cite_note-1>[1] that...          (good so far, but..) The topping lift (more rarely known as an uphaul) is a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_%28sailing%29>line which applies upward force on a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29>boom on a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailboat>sailboat. A topping lift may also refer to a line on the front of the mast used to rig the spinnaker pole. It is used to trim the pole to the proper height when hoisting the <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinnaker>spinnaker. Hoo boy. Where do we go from here?         Cheers, Russ         Sweet 35 mk-1 At 02:27 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: I like to differentiate two very different animals: The Topping Lift" goes to the boom end. The "Spinnaker Pole Lift" controls the Pole end while there is an uphaul and downhaul on the spin pole car on the mast, I prefer to name the mast control lines, "spin pole car uphaul and downhaul". Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Russ & Melody" <<mailto:russ...@telus.net>russ...@telus.net> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:38:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Do you mean the top'n' lift? :) At 02:25 PM 10/12/2015, you wrote: Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? -- From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Pamela & David" <<mailto:thesaltfam...@gmail.com>thesaltfam...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/l
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole "uphaul" ??
I thought everybody called it the upf**ker. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 11 December 2015 at 22:16, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > Maybe I should have used in the response. Email message can be > difficult to express subtleties, but I probably should have warned you > about clarifying sailing terms here. My approval rating has been about > 50/50 so far. > > The topping lift was never just for the main boom. It was in general use > for any spar lift at the lower portion of a sail, main, stays'l or > spinnaker. Club footed jib excepted of course and upper spars having other > cute names, such as peak halyard. > > Anyhow, these days it seems we're all correct. Most of us foredeck guys > from the 70s & 80s would know the smallest wire & snap shackle is the > top'n' lift, or later on to become the "pole lift". > > And as you say, when a foredeck mate yells at the pit for uphaul, he > really wants the inboard end of the spinnaker pole raised. It is remarkable > how long it can take for this simple request to be acknowledged sometimes. > :) > > But don't be too hard on newbies. If their source of info is the Internet > they get advice from Wiki such as this: > > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > This article is about the spar. For floating barriers to control access to > harbours and rivers, see boom (navigational barrier) > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28navigational_barrier%29>. > For other uses, see Boom > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28disambiguation%29> . > In sailing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing>, a *boom* is a spar > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spar_%28sailing%29> (pole), along the foot > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_of_a_sail#The_edges> (bottom edge) > of a fore and aft <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fore_and_aft> rigged sail > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail> , [1] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29#cite_note-1> > that... *(good so far, but..)* > > > The *topping lift* (more rarely known as an *uphaul*) is a line > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_%28sailing%29> which applies upward > force on a boom <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29> on a > sailboat <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailboat>. > > > A topping lift may also refer to a line on the front of the mast used to > rig the spinnaker pole. It is used to trim the pole to the proper height > when hoisting the spinnaker <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinnaker>. > > > Hoo boy. Where do we go from here? > > Cheers, Russ > *Sweet *35 mk-1 > > > > > > At 02:27 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: > > I like to differentiate two very different animals: > The Topping Lift" goes to the boom end. The "Spinnaker Pole Lift" > controls the Pole end while there is an uphaul and downhaul on the spin > pole car on the mast, I prefer to name the mast control lines, "spin pole > car uphaul and downhaul". > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > -- > *From: *"Russ & Melody via CnC-List" > *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc: *"Russ & Melody" > *Sent: *Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:38:01 PM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole > > > Do you mean the top'n' lift? :) > > > At 02:25 PM 10/12/2015, you wrote: > Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? > > -- > From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Pamela & David" > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM > Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole > > Hello > > Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? > > I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking > for a quick job to replace > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list prefe
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole "uphaul" ??
Hi Chuck, Maybe I should have used in the response. Email message can be difficult to express subtleties, but I probably should have warned you about clarifying sailing terms here. My approval rating has been about 50/50 so far. The topping lift was never just for the main boom. It was in general use for any spar lift at the lower portion of a sail, main, stays'l or spinnaker. Club footed jib excepted of course and upper spars having other cute names, such as peak halyard. Anyhow, these days it seems we're all correct. Most of us foredeck guys from the 70s & 80s would know the smallest wire & snap shackle is the top'n' lift, or later on to become the "pole lift". And as you say, when a foredeck mate yells at the pit for uphaul, he really wants the inboard end of the spinnaker pole raised. It is remarkable how long it can take for this simple request to be acknowledged sometimes. :) But don't be too hard on newbies. If their source of info is the Internet they get advice from Wiki such as this: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the spar. For floating barriers to control access to harbours and rivers, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28navigational_barrier%29>boom (navigational barrier). For other uses, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28disambiguation%29>Boom. In <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing>sailing, a boom is a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spar_%28sailing%29>spar (pole), along the <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_of_a_sail#The_edges>foot (bottom edge) of a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fore_and_aft>fore and aft rigged <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail>sail,<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29#cite_note-1>[1] that... (good so far, but..) The topping lift (more rarely known as an uphaul) is a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_%28sailing%29>line which applies upward force on a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_%28sailing%29>boom on a <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailboat>sailboat. A topping lift may also refer to a line on the front of the mast used to rig the spinnaker pole. It is used to trim the pole to the proper height when hoisting the <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinnaker>spinnaker. Hoo boy. Where do we go from here? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 02:27 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: I like to differentiate two very different animals: The Topping Lift" goes to the boom end. The "Spinnaker Pole Lift" controls the Pole end while there is an uphaul and downhaul on the spin pole car on the mast, I prefer to name the mast control lines, "spin pole car uphaul and downhaul". Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Russ & Melody" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:38:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Do you mean the top'n' lift? :) At 02:25 PM 10/12/2015, you wrote: Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? -- From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Pamela & David" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole "uphaul" ??
I like to differentiate two very different animals: The Topping Lift" goes to the boom end. The "Spinnaker Pole Lift" controls the Pole end while there is an uphaul and downhaul on the spin pole car on the mast, I prefer to name the mast control lines, "spin pole car uphaul and downhaul". Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Russ & Melody" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:38:01 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Do you mean the top'n' lift? :) At 02:25 PM 10/12/2015, you wrote: Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Pamela & David" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker pole
The topping lift on my C&C 33 MKII is 80 ft of 3/8db according to the chart, can't believe there'd be much difference if they're rigged similarity. Brad 1985 C&C 33 MKII "PULSE" Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole
Do you mean the top'n' lift? :) At 02:25 PM 10/12/2015, you wrote: Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? -- From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Pamela & David" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole
Why not simply cut the tracer string in place and tie another string to it and pull the original one out and measure it……? That leaves you with a messenger string still in place and the correct measurement Ron C. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:25 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: Chuck S Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? _ From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Pamela & David" mailto:thesaltfam...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Do you mean the spinnaker pole lift? - Original Message - From: "Pamela & David via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Pamela & David" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:07:55 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hello Does anyone know the length of rope for the UPHAUL on a C&C-34? I have a tracer string inplace on a recent purchase boat and are looking for a quick job to replace ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Our rules don't allow us to use the whisker pole set at anything longer than the J measurement. So, I got rid of mine. Gary - Original Message - From: Chuck S via CnC-List To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage I want a whisker pole! -- From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 7:37:51 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage We have 2 poles on the boat now, the spinnaker pole and the whisker pole. The spin pole is stored as per the original C&C design: A half loop built into the bow pulpit fore and a 3 inch shaft sticking out of a stanchion mount aft. The forward jaw securely grabs the loop and the aft end just slips onto the shaft. A simple and secure setup. It's right above the rail. For the whisker pole I sort of copied the design. I have 2 stanchion mounted furler line fair Leeds and a stainless U bolt that screws into the holes where the line would go. That's mounted on the bow pulpit and I have a Forespar stanchion mount on the aft part. I like that on both sides the pole end jaw is closed on a rigidly mounted loop. This way no matter what there's no chance of a 1000.00 $ + pole slipping to Davy Jones' locker. In both cases it's right above the rail and does not interfere in any way. Btw. The Forespar telescopic whisker pole is awesome. The fact that the length is adjustable from the mast end is a terrific feature. You shorten it to less than the J for gibes, it extends to about 22 ft for wing on wing. It works well for reaching when pointed straight forward (almost at the forestay ) or shortened and set to leeward for the mother of barber haulers effect. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ 'Take Five' Lake Lanier, Ga ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Last year I had a borrowed twist lock whisker pole and was able to store it mounted on the mast. I don’t use a spinnaker, so I attached it to the ring on the car for the spinnaker pole and raised it to the top of the track and attached the bottom to the mast base fitting. To deploy, all I had to do was detach the bottom, attach it to the genoa sheet and lower the car to the correct height and extend it. I never had to actually handle the pole as it was “permanently” attached to the mast. I am hoping I can do the same with my new Forespar pole when it is delivered. Dave On May 4, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote: > I bought a Forte spinnaker pole ~ 8-10 years ago. At that time it was > significantly less than the Forespar and IMHO wound on a mandrel and > stronger. A few years later they made a custom adjustable whisker pole for me > since I insisted I wanted a duplicate to the equivalent aluminum pole > regarding the diameters of the outer and inner poles. > I have no connection to the company and don't even know if it still makes > such things. > > Charlie Nelson > Water Phantom > 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 4, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List > wrote: > >> I want a whisker pole! >> >> >> From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 7:37:51 PM >> Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage >> >> We have 2 poles on the boat now, the spinnaker pole and the whisker pole. >> >> The spin pole is stored as per the original C&C design: A half loop built >> into the bow pulpit fore and a 3 inch shaft sticking out of a stanchion >> mount aft. The forward jaw securely grabs the loop and the aft end just >> slips onto the shaft. A simple and secure setup. It's right above the rail. >> >> For the whisker pole I sort of copied the design. I have 2 stanchion >> mounted furler line fair Leeds and a stainless U bolt that screws into the >> holes where the line would go. That's mounted on the bow pulpit and I have a >> Forespar stanchion mount on the aft part. I like that on both sides the >> pole end jaw is closed on a rigidly mounted loop. This way no matter what >> there's no chance of a 1000.00 $ + pole slipping to Davy Jones' locker. >> >> In both cases it's right above the rail and does not interfere in any way. >> >> Btw. The Forespar telescopic whisker pole is awesome. The fact that the >> length is adjustable from the mast end is a terrific feature. You shorten it >> to less than the J for gibes, it extends to about 22 ft for wing on wing. >> It works well for reaching when pointed straight forward (almost at the >> forestay ) or shortened and set to leeward for the mother of barber haulers >> effect. >> >> -Francois Rivard >> 1990 34+ 'Take Five' >> Lake Lanier, Ga >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I bought a Forte spinnaker pole ~ 8-10 years ago. At that time it was significantly less than the Forespar and IMHO wound on a mandrel and stronger. A few years later they made a custom adjustable whisker pole for me since I insisted I wanted a duplicate to the equivalent aluminum pole regarding the diameters of the outer and inner poles. I have no connection to the company and don't even know if it still makes such things. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List > wrote: > > I want a whisker pole! > > > From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 7:37:51 PM > Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > > We have 2 poles on the boat now, the spinnaker pole and the whisker pole. > > The spin pole is stored as per the original C&C design: A half loop built > into the bow pulpit fore and a 3 inch shaft sticking out of a stanchion mount > aft. The forward jaw securely grabs the loop and the aft end just slips onto > the shaft. A simple and secure setup. It's right above the rail. > > For the whisker pole I sort of copied the design. I have 2 stanchion mounted > furler line fair Leeds and a stainless U bolt that screws into the holes > where the line would go. That's mounted on the bow pulpit and I have a > Forespar stanchion mount on the aft part. I like that on both sides the pole > end jaw is closed on a rigidly mounted loop. This way no matter what there's > no chance of a 1000.00 $ + pole slipping to Davy Jones' locker. > > In both cases it's right above the rail and does not interfere in any way. > > Btw. The Forespar telescopic whisker pole is awesome. The fact that the > length is adjustable from the mast end is a terrific feature. You shorten it > to less than the J for gibes, it extends to about 22 ft for wing on wing. It > works well for reaching when pointed straight forward (almost at the forestay > ) or shortened and set to leeward for the mother of barber haulers effect. > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ 'Take Five' > Lake Lanier, Ga > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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You need one :-) If you're interested I might be able to talk my rigger buddy into ordering more. He had the best price / made the pill a little easier to swallow. But honestly, it's worth every penny and all things considered probably one of the best bang for the buck speed improvement both in terms of simplicity and cost. The only regret I have is not having ordered one sooner. Best regards, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA From: Chuck S To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Date: 05/04/2015 05:14 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage I want a whisker pole! From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 7:37:51 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage We have 2 poles on the boat now, the spinnaker pole and the whisker pole. The spin pole is stored as per the original C&C design: A half loop built into the bow pulpit fore and a 3 inch shaft sticking out of a stanchion mount aft. The forward jaw securely grabs the loop and the aft end just slips onto the shaft. A simple and secure setup. It's right above the rail. For the whisker pole I sort of copied the design. I have 2 stanchion mounted furler line fair Leeds and a stainless U bolt that screws into the holes where the line would go. That's mounted on the bow pulpit and I have a Forespar stanchion mount on the aft part. I like that on both sides the pole end jaw is closed on a rigidly mounted loop. This way no matter what there's no chance of a 1000.00 $ + pole slipping to Davy Jones' locker. In both cases it's right above the rail and does not interfere in any way. Btw. The Forespar telescopic whisker pole is awesome. The fact that the length is adjustable from the mast end is a terrific feature. You shorten it to less than the J for gibes, it extends to about 22 ft for wing on wing. It works well for reaching when pointed straight forward (almost at the forestay ) or shortened and set to leeward for the mother of all barber haulers effect. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ 'Take Five' Lake Lanier, Ga ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I want a whisker pole! - Original Message - From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2015 7:37:51 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage We have 2 poles on the boat now, the spinnaker pole and the whisker pole. The spin pole is stored as per the original C&C design: A half loop built into the bow pulpit fore and a 3 inch shaft sticking out of a stanchion mount aft. The forward jaw securely grabs the loop and the aft end just slips onto the shaft. A simple and secure setup. It's right above the rail. For the whisker pole I sort of copied the design. I have 2 stanchion mounted furler line fair Leeds and a stainless U bolt that screws into the holes where the line would go. That's mounted on the bow pulpit and I have a Forespar stanchion mount on the aft part. I like that on both sides the pole end jaw is closed on a rigidly mounted loop. This way no matter what there's no chance of a 1000.00 $ + pole slipping to Davy Jones' locker. In both cases it's right above the rail and does not interfere in any way. Btw. The Forespar telescopic whisker pole is awesome. The fact that the length is adjustable from the mast end is a terrific feature. You shorten it to less than the J for gibes, it extends to about 22 ft for wing on wing. It works well for reaching when pointed straight forward (almost at the forestay ) or shortened and set to leeward for the mother of barber haulers effect. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ 'Take Five' Lake Lanier, Ga ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
> We have 2 poles on the boat now, the spinnaker pole and the whisker pole. > The spin pole is stored as per the original C&C design: A half loop built > into the bow pulpit fore and a 3 inch shaft sticking out of a stanchion mount > aft. The forward jaw securely grabs the loop and the aft end just slips onto > the shaft. A simple and secure setup. It's right above the rail. For the whisker pole I sort of copied the design. I have 2 stanchion mounted furler line fair Leeds and a stainless U bolt that screws into the holes where the line would go. That's mounted on the bow pulpit and I have a Forespar stanchion mount on the aft part. I like that on both sides the pole end jaw is closed on a rigidly mounted loop. This way no matter what there's no chance of a 1000.00 $ + pole slipping to Davy Jones' locker. In both cases it's right above the rail and does not interfere in any way. Btw. The Forespar telescopic whisker pole is awesome. The fact that the length is adjustable from the mast end is a terrific feature. You shorten it to less than the J for gibes, it extends to about 22 ft for wing on wing. It works well for reaching when pointed straight forward (almost at the forestay ) or shortened and set to leeward for the mother of barber haulers effect. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ 'Take Five' Lake Lanier, Ga ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Just noticed this again on the RCR Newsletter, this pole has been for sale for awhile now, they may be ready to deal. Carbon Fiber Spinnaker Pole (without end fittings): Was purchased for a Beneteau 36.7 as a spare spinnaker pole. Selling for $1000, retail is nearly double that price. Call Jim Egloff at 716-525-3228 or email j...@rcryachts.com Regards, Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 12:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage I got it from Oyster Bay Boat Shop, but they may only sell wholesale. I think the cost was around 1400. Probably 10 years ago. My original pole was 4 ½ , too big to mess with. Forespar stops making 3 ½ tubes at around 16 feet, but they agreed to do this at 17 feet and 3 ½ if they could put a couple extra wraps of carbon on , which was fine with me. It is light enough I could throw it like a javelin. The best thing is that to deploy, you just pop the bottom out of the urethane jaws, and pull the car down and it just shoots right out Russ, doesnt seem to be a problem in front of the mast as far as I can see. It is smaller than the mast, so it is kind of line an extension in my view. It has a clear coat. I am not sure if that is enough protection, but I see the 1997 J-160 down the dock with a clear coat on their carbon mast, and it is still holding up. I think it is like you have to varnish over West System to protect it. I could be wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: Richard Bush [mailto:bushma...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:58 PM To: Bill Coleman; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage Bill, where did you buy pole from and what the overall cost range, including shipping? From your comment you seem satisfied that it is worth the expense; could you expound on how you use the carbon pole vs an aluminum one? Thanks On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: "svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Thanks all! My pulpit also has a welded ring. I clipped the forward end of the pole to it and bought a used stanchion mounted chock at Bacon's for $10. The aft end of the pole is even with the rubrail so it is not a docking hazard. The aft deck fitting came off in a couple minutes. Epoxied the holes. One major tripping hazard eliminated, one deck fitting left to remove. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I got it from Oyster Bay Boat Shop, but they may only sell wholesale. > > I think the cost was around 1400. Probably 10 years ago. My original > pole was 4 ½” , too big to mess with. Forespar stops making 3 ½” tubes at > around 16 feet, but they agreed to do this at 17 feet and 3 ½” if they > could put a couple extra wraps of carbon on , which was fine with me. It is > light enough I could throw it like a javelin. The best thing is that to > deploy, you just pop the bottom out of the urethane jaws, and pull the car > down and it just shoots right out > > Russ, doesn’t seem to be a problem in front of the mast as far as I can > see. It is smaller than the mast, so it is kind of line an extension in my > view. > > It has a clear coat. I am not sure if that is enough protection, but I > see the 1997 J-160 down the dock with a clear coat on their carbon mast, > and it is still holding up. I think it is like you have to varnish over > West System to protect it. > > I could be wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. > > > > Bill Coleman > > C&C 39 > > *From:* Richard Bush [mailto:bushma...@aol.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:58 PM > *To:* Bill Coleman; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > > > > Bill, where did you buy pole from and what the overall cost range, > including shipping? From your comment you seem satisfied that it is worth > the expense; could you expound on how you use the carbon pole vs an > aluminum one? Thanks > > > On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It > is so slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. > > > > > > > > Bill Coleman > > C&C 39 > > > > Original message > From: "svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" > Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > > Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is > inside of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So > far I have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. > > > > Doug Mountjoy > > svPegasus > > LF38 > > just west of Ballard, WA. > > -- Original message-- > > *From: *Joel Aronson via CnC-List > > *Date: *Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35 > > *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com; > > *Subject:*Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > > My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just > something else to trip over. > > > > Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than > the mast)? > > > > Joel > > The Office > > Annapolis > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I got it from Oyster Bay Boat Shop, but they may only sell wholesale. I think the cost was around 1400. Probably 10 years ago. My original pole was 4 ½ , too big to mess with. Forespar stops making 3 ½ tubes at around 16 feet, but they agreed to do this at 17 feet and 3 ½ if they could put a couple extra wraps of carbon on , which was fine with me. It is light enough I could throw it like a javelin. The best thing is that to deploy, you just pop the bottom out of the urethane jaws, and pull the car down and it just shoots right out Russ, doesnt seem to be a problem in front of the mast as far as I can see. It is smaller than the mast, so it is kind of line an extension in my view. It has a clear coat. I am not sure if that is enough protection, but I see the 1997 J-160 down the dock with a clear coat on their carbon mast, and it is still holding up. I think it is like you have to varnish over West System to protect it. I could be wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. Bill Coleman C&C 39 From: Richard Bush [mailto:bushma...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:58 PM To: Bill Coleman; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage Bill, where did you buy pole from and what the overall cost range, including shipping? From your comment you seem satisfied that it is worth the expense; could you expound on how you use the carbon pole vs an aluminum one? Thanks On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: "svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Is that right? A CF spar that weighs twice an aluminum... what is special, other than price? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 12:43 PM 25/04/2015, you wrote: I have a Forespar carbon fiber extendable spinnaker/whisker pole on Honey It weighs twice what the aluminum pole weighs and when said and done with end fittings etc it cost me right at USD4,000 through Port Supply Jack Fitzgerald Honey C&C 39TM Savannah GA USA Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:48, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: "<mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com>svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message-- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35 To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis ___ Email address: <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
I have a Forespar carbon fiber extendable spinnaker/whisker pole on Honey It weighs twice what the aluminum pole weighs and when said and done with end fittings etc it cost me right at USD4,000 through Port Supply Jack Fitzgerald Honey C&C 39TM Savannah GA USA Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:48, Bill Coleman via CnC-List > wrote: > > I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so > slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. > > > > Bill Coleman > C&C 39 > > > Original message > From: "svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" > Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > > Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside > of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I > have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. > > Doug Mountjoy > svPegasus > LF38 > just west of Ballard, WA. > -- Original message-- > From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List > Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; > Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just > something else to trip over. > > Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the > mast)? > > Joel > > The Office > Annapolis > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
Hi Bill, How is the pole UV protected... painted? And have you noticed any effect on the flow across the lower part of the mains'l? Most of the carbon poles around here are deck stow and have a cloth covering when not in use. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 07:48 AM 25/04/2015, you wrote: I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. Bill Coleman C&C 39 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
Bill, where did you buy pole from and what the overall cost range, including shipping? From your comment you seem satisfied that it is worth the expense; could you expound on how you use the carbon pole vs an aluminum one? Thanks > On Apr 25, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List > wrote: > > I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so > slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. > > > > Bill Coleman > C&C 39 > > > Original message > From: "svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" > Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > > Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside > of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I > have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. > > Doug Mountjoy > svPegasus > LF38 > just west of Ballard, WA. > -- Original message-- > From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List > Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; > Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage > My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just > something else to trip over. > > Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the > mast)? > > Joel > > The Office > Annapolis > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
I have a carbon pole on the mast, & I wouldn't do it any other way. It is so slick to deploy, and completely out of the way. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Original message From: "svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List" Date: 04/24/2015 5:03 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storageMy seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
Joel, The OEM setup on our boat clipped the front of the pole to a large ring on the pulpit and the aft end went onto a rail mounted SS toggle. The toggle was missing when I bought the boat and it was sail tied to the toerail, crew complained when they sat on the rail over the pole. I leater learned to rig the pole to the mast regardless, as it stopped the genoa sheets fouling the pole car. I mounted a Forespar deck chock I don't like, to the deck to store the pole closer to the chainplates. It has a dildo that fits inside the pole end. I think a simpler SS ring would work better and never catch a line? We make it a habit to point the dildo down when the pole is off the chock, so it doesn't catch a line, but I hope to fab something better. The chock allows easier hiking on the rail. A don't like the stanchion mounted pole holder as the end sticks out past the max beam and can become a problem and catch things when docking. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 3:34:56 PM Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
Pegasus had the pole deck stowed. I moved it to the rail, aft chock is inside of stantion, fwd chock os on outside of aft bow pulpit stantion. So far I have not had an issue wit lines getting tangled. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Date: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 12:35To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Subject:Stus-List Spinnaker pole storageMy seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker pole storage
My seldom used spin pole is in deck chocks along the starboard rail. Just something else to trip over. Has anyone used the rail-mounted chocks? Any other solution (other than the mast)? Joel The Office Annapolis ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
Thanks everyone for the reminder about the compression loads on the spin pole. I think I'll keep both. Barbara H. Fellers > On Mar 7, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Rick Brass wrote: > > You already have the straight skinny from others. I loaned my whisker pole to > another C&C owner for a race he was doing, and it came back bent. > > If you decide to part with your whisker pole, let us know where yo are and > how long the pole. Some of us would probably be interested in buying it. > > Rick Brass > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 6, 2015, at 21:07, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker >> pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the >> allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole >> altogether? For PhRf racing. >> Barbara Hickson Fellers >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
You already have the straight skinny from others. I loaned my whisker pole to another C&C owner for a race he was doing, and it came back bent. If you decide to part with your whisker pole, let us know where yo are and how long the pole. Some of us would probably be interested in buying it. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad > On Mar 6, 2015, at 21:07, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List > wrote: > > I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker > pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the > allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole > altogether? For PhRf racing. > Barbara Hickson Fellers > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
Barbara You have already received very sound advice from other listers .my advice is the same if you are intent on removing one pole from your boat, and you intend on flying your spinnaker, keep the spin pole. And you are racing, so keep the strongest pole. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-03-06 10:07 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List wrote: I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. /Barbara Hickson Fellers / ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
Barbara, The two are really quite different, in that the spinnaker pole is made to withstand very high compressive loads, especially when beam or close reaching. Under those situations, an extendable whisker pole would not be able to take the load. The whisker pole when holding the clew of the genoa outboard, sees a much lower compressive load. You could use just the spinnaker pole as a whisker pole on the genny, which some people do, but it's really not long enough. I went the other route a year ago as I don't fly a spinnaker; I had been using a 14' spinnaker pole with a No. 2 jib, and it never flew well at all, sometimes I had to furl a bit of the jib to keep it full. With a 22' whisker pole, it fills very well. Neil Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List wrote: I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. /Barbara Hickson Fellers / ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
I'm not sure I would advise it unless you put restrictions on its use. Like your boat, Touche' has a spin pole and an adjustable whisker pole. If the two poles are like the ones on Touche', they are of different strengths. The whisker pole may not be able to handle being used in a strong breeze while reaching. As the pole goes forward, tremendous compression forces build up trying to force the pole into the mast. Whisker poles are not designed for those loads. If I was wanting to dump one of the two, I'd dump the whisker pole. Just my 2 cents. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker > pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the > allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole > altogether? For PhRf racing. > > *Barbara Hickson Fellers* > > > -- > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. Barbara Hickson Fellers ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
I recently bought a whisker pole on Craigslist and saw a number of spinnaker poles at the same time. If you use SearchTempest you can search the whole country at once. I have found that there seem to be spikes in availability of poles. At some times you find none and then other times lots. I would be patient and keep searching. Dave On Mar 6, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: > Tom — I’ve got a fixed spin pole for my LF38 that I will never use; but it’s > going to be a bit long for your boat. Maybe you could cut down the tubing > and reattach the end fittings? I’d let it go at a reasonable price, as I’d > like funds for a whisker pole instead. And it would definitely be close by > for you… :^) > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > > On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List > wrote: > >> I acquired a 1985 C&C 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the >> spinnaker pole. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole >> or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but >> not much. >> >> Thanks >> Tom >> Escape (to be renamed) 1985 C&C 33 II >> Bayfield WI. > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
Tom — I’ve got a fixed spin pole for my LF38 that I will never use; but it’s going to be a bit long for your boat. Maybe you could cut down the tubing and reattach the end fittings? I’d let it go at a reasonable price, as I’d like funds for a whisker pole instead. And it would definitely be close by for you… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List wrote: > I acquired a 1985 C&C 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the > spinnaker pole. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or > a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not > much. > > Thanks > Tom > Escape (to be renamed) 1985 C&C 33 II > Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
If it were me...and assuming you have the pole ends...you might try sourcing carbon fibre tubing.so much easier to handle than the old tech. I still lug around the old tech and lust for a CF pole David F. Risch. 1981 40 Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device. Original message From: Eric Baumes via CnC-List Date:03/06/2015 3:54 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tom Lynch , cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II Try the local boat yards--especially if they service sailboats. The sometimes have odd bits sitting around. As for ebay, unless it is local, the shipping will be freight which is not cheap. Eric C&C 34/36 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I acquired a 1985 C&C 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the > spinnaker pole. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole > or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but > not much. > > Thanks > Tom > *Escape* (to be renamed) 1985 C&C 33 II > Bayfield WI. > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
Try the local boat yards--especially if they service sailboats. The sometimes have odd bits sitting around. As for ebay, unless it is local, the shipping will be freight which is not cheap. Eric C&C 34/36 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Tom Lynch via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I acquired a 1985 C&C 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the > spinnaker pole. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole > or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but > not much. > > Thanks > Tom > *Escape* (to be renamed) 1985 C&C 33 II > Bayfield WI. > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker Pole for 33 MK II
I acquired a 1985 C&C 33 MKII mid last summer. I need to replace the spinnaker pole. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can find a used spinnaker pole or a good price on a new one? I've checked ebay and found a few items but not much. Thanks Tom *Escape* (to be renamed) 1985 C&C 33 II Bayfield WI. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
I would have guessed boric acid but I am no chemist John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 3, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Jim Watts wrote: > > "Chemically knowledgeable"...I'm not going there. > > Salt Away is available at most chandleries, although some may have to order > it. West stocks it most places. > > http://www.saltawayproducts.com/index.htm > > I use it every year to run through my dinghy motor prior to winter storage. > It really does work, whatever is in there. > > >> On 3 November 2013 17:08, Dennis C. wrote: >> Joel, >> >> I think the primary ingredient of SaltAway is sulfamic acid. You can buy a >> gallon of dilute sulfamic acid a a big box home improvement store for about >> $6. >> >> Perhaps one of the more chemically knowledgeable listers can tell us if >> that's a smart move. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, November 3, 2013 4:58 PM, Joel Aronson >> wrote: >> Jim >> What is Salt Away? Who sells it? >> Joel >> >> On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Jim Watts wrote: >> David, my spin pole ends were seized when I got the boat; one responded to >> fresh water and PB, the other didn't. I drilled the rivets out of the sticky >> one and removed it from the pole, then soaked it in a Salt Away solution for >> a couple of weeks. After that, I gently tapped at the stuck pin with a >> hammer and wooden dowel of the right size, eventually got it to move a bit, >> and that's all it took. More Salt Away, more PB, more controlled violence, >> and it came free. I drilled out the end fitting to clean all the hardened >> salt out and the pin works freely. I tapped the end fitting and reattached >> it with machine screws. Now I flush it with fresh water a lot and spray it >> with McLube occasionally to keep it happy. >> >> >> On 3 November 2013 12:46, David Blair wrote: >> I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14’7” from “mouth to >> mouth”(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. >> >> It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so >> far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion >> is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, >> but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has >> suggestions let me know. >> >> Tx >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Jean-Francois J Rivard >> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing >> >> Hello All, >> >> I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice >> spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some >> reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the >> process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom >> new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine >> my course of actions: >> >> My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 >> feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. >> Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me >> that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a >> problem. >> If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? >> If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? >> >> I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something >> fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -Francois Rivard >> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >> Lake Lanier, Georgia >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jim Watts >> Paradigm Shift >> C&C 35 Mk III >> Victoria, BC >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
Great over ice too. Rich > On Nov 3, 2013, at 21:16, Jim Watts wrote: > > "Chemically knowledgeable"...I'm not going there. > > Salt Away is available at most chandleries, although some may have to order > it. West stocks it most places. > > http://www.saltawayproducts.com/index.htm > > I use it every year to run through my dinghy motor prior to winter storage. > It really does work, whatever is in there. > > >> On 3 November 2013 17:08, Dennis C. wrote: >> Joel, >> >> I think the primary ingredient of SaltAway is sulfamic acid. You can buy a >> gallon of dilute sulfamic acid a a big box home improvement store for about >> $6. >> >> Perhaps one of the more chemically knowledgeable listers can tell us if >> that's a smart move. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, November 3, 2013 4:58 PM, Joel Aronson >> wrote: >> Jim >> What is Salt Away? Who sells it? >> Joel >> >> On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Jim Watts wrote: >> David, my spin pole ends were seized when I got the boat; one responded to >> fresh water and PB, the other didn't. I drilled the rivets out of the sticky >> one and removed it from the pole, then soaked it in a Salt Away solution for >> a couple of weeks. After that, I gently tapped at the stuck pin with a >> hammer and wooden dowel of the right size, eventually got it to move a bit, >> and that's all it took. More Salt Away, more PB, more controlled violence, >> and it came free. I drilled out the end fitting to clean all the hardened >> salt out and the pin works freely. I tapped the end fitting and reattached >> it with machine screws. Now I flush it with fresh water a lot and spray it >> with McLube occasionally to keep it happy. >> >> >> On 3 November 2013 12:46, David Blair wrote: >> I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14’7” from “mouth to >> mouth”(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. >> >> It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so >> far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion >> is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, >> but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has >> suggestions let me know. >> >> Tx >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Jean-Francois J Rivard >> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing >> >> Hello All, >> >> I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice >> spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some >> reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the >> process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom >> new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine >> my course of actions: >> >> My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 >> feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. >> Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me >> that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a >> problem. >> If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? >> If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? >> >> I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something >> fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -Francois Rivard >> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >> Lake Lanier, Georgia >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jim Watts >> Paradigm Shift >> C&C 35 Mk III >> Victoria, BC >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
"Chemically knowledgeable"...I'm not going there. Salt Away is available at most chandleries, although some may have to order it. West stocks it most places. http://www.saltawayproducts.com/index.htm I use it every year to run through my dinghy motor prior to winter storage. It really does work, whatever is in there. On 3 November 2013 17:08, Dennis C. wrote: > Joel, > > I think the primary ingredient of SaltAway is sulfamic acid. You can buy > a gallon of dilute sulfamic acid a a big box home improvement store for > about $6. > > Perhaps one of the more chemically knowledgeable listers can tell us if > that's a smart move. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > > > > On Sunday, November 3, 2013 4:58 PM, Joel Aronson < > joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jim > What is Salt Away? Who sells it? > Joel > > On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Jim Watts wrote: > > David, my spin pole ends were seized when I got the boat; one responded to > fresh water and PB, the other didn't. I drilled the rivets out of the > sticky one and removed it from the pole, then soaked it in a Salt Away > solution for a couple of weeks. After that, I gently tapped at the stuck > pin with a hammer and wooden dowel of the right size, eventually got it to > move a bit, and that's all it took. More Salt Away, more PB, more > controlled violence, and it came free. I drilled out the end fitting to > clean all the hardened salt out and the pin works freely. I tapped the end > fitting and reattached it with machine screws. Now I flush it with fresh > water a lot and spray it with McLube occasionally to keep it happy. > > > On 3 November 2013 12:46, David Blair wrote: > > I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14’7” from “mouth > to mouth”(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. > > It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so > far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion > is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, > but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has > suggestions let me know. > > Tx > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > *Jean-Francois > J Rivard > *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing > > Hello All, > > I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice > spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some > reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the > process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom > new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine > my course of actions: > > My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 > feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. > >- Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems >to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be >a problem. >- If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? >- If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? > > > I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with > something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
Joel, I think the primary ingredient of SaltAway is sulfamic acid. You can buy a gallon of dilute sulfamic acid a a big box home improvement store for about $6. Perhaps one of the more chemically knowledgeable listers can tell us if that's a smart move. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sunday, November 3, 2013 4:58 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: Jim >What is Salt Away? Who sells it? >Joel > >On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Jim Watts wrote: > >David, my spin pole ends were seized when I got the boat; one responded to >fresh water and PB, the other didn't. I drilled the rivets out of the sticky >one and removed it from the pole, then soaked it in a Salt Away solution for a >couple of weeks. After that, I gently tapped at the stuck pin with a hammer >and wooden dowel of the right size, eventually got it to move a bit, and >that's all it took. More Salt Away, more PB, more controlled violence, and it >came free. I drilled out the end fitting to clean all the hardened salt out >and the pin works freely. I tapped the end fitting and reattached it with >machine screws. Now I flush it with fresh water a lot and spray it with McLube >occasionally to keep it happy. >> >> >> >> >>On 3 November 2013 12:46, David Blair wrote: >> >>I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14’7” from “mouth to >>mouth”(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. >>> >>>It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so >>>far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion >>>is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, >>>but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has >>>suggestions let me know. >>> >>>Tx >>> >>>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >>>Jean-Francois J Rivard >>>Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM >>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing >>> >>>Hello All, >>> >>> >>>I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice >>>spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some >>>reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the >>>process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom >>>new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine >>>my course of actions: >>> >>>My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 >>>feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. >>> * Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems >>> to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be >>> a problem. >>> * If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? >>> * If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? >>> >>>I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something >>>fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>> >>>-Francois Rivard >>>1990 34+ "Take Five" >>>Lake Lanier, Georgia >>>___ >>>This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Jim Watts >>Paradigm Shift >>C&C 35 Mk III >>Victoria, BC >> > >-- >Joel >301 541 8551 > > >___ >This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > >___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
Jim What is Salt Away? Who sells it? Joel On Sunday, November 3, 2013, Jim Watts wrote: > David, my spin pole ends were seized when I got the boat; one responded to > fresh water and PB, the other didn't. I drilled the rivets out of the > sticky one and removed it from the pole, then soaked it in a Salt Away > solution for a couple of weeks. After that, I gently tapped at the stuck > pin with a hammer and wooden dowel of the right size, eventually got it to > move a bit, and that's all it took. More Salt Away, more PB, more > controlled violence, and it came free. I drilled out the end fitting to > clean all the hardened salt out and the pin works freely. I tapped the end > fitting and reattached it with machine screws. Now I flush it with fresh > water a lot and spray it with McLube occasionally to keep it happy. > > > On 3 November 2013 12:46, David Blair 'cvml', 'dblair...@gmail.com');> > > wrote: > >> I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14’7” from “mouth >> to mouth”(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. >> >> >> >> It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so >> far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion >> is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, >> but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has >> suggestions let me know. >> >> >> >> Tx >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> 'cvml', 'cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com');>] >> *On Behalf Of *Jean-Francois J Rivard >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com');> >> *Subject:* Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing >> >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice >> spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some >> reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the >> process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom >> new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine >> my course of actions: >> >> My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is >> 14.83 feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. >> >> >>- Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it >>seems to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would >>not be a problem. >>- If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? >>- If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? >> >> >> I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with >> something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -Francois Rivard >> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >> Lake Lanier, Georgia >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > 'CnC-List@cnc-list.com');> >> >> > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
David, my spin pole ends were seized when I got the boat; one responded to fresh water and PB, the other didn't. I drilled the rivets out of the sticky one and removed it from the pole, then soaked it in a Salt Away solution for a couple of weeks. After that, I gently tapped at the stuck pin with a hammer and wooden dowel of the right size, eventually got it to move a bit, and that's all it took. More Salt Away, more PB, more controlled violence, and it came free. I drilled out the end fitting to clean all the hardened salt out and the pin works freely. I tapped the end fitting and reattached it with machine screws. Now I flush it with fresh water a lot and spray it with McLube occasionally to keep it happy. On 3 November 2013 12:46, David Blair wrote: > I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14’7” from “mouth > to mouth”(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. > > > > It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so > far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion > is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, > but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has > suggestions let me know. > > > > Tx > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > *Jean-Francois > J Rivard > *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing > > > > Hello All, > > I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice > spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some > reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the > process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom > new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine > my course of actions: > > My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 > feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. > > >- Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems >to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be >a problem. >- If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? >- If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? > > > I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with > something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
I have a 34/36 and the pole that came with it measures 14'7" from "mouth to mouth"(ie: where the line would sit when rigged). I presume it is OEM. It was never used (by me or the PO) so now the fittings are seized and so far have not responded to PB Blaster and other measures. Latest suggestion is remove the ends and throw them in a bucket of diesel for a month or so, but have not got around to that yet. If anyone wants a pole or has suggestions let me know. Tx From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing Hello All, I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of actions: My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. * Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a problem. * If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? * If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. Thanks in advance, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
The longer aluminium pole will be heavier and more difficult to handle and it will add more clutter if you store it on deck. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas Sent: November 3, 2013 10:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing If you race, you will be assesed a penalty. I don't see a problem otherwise, but reducing the pole length might be pretty easy depending on how stuck the ends are. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing Hello All, I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of actions: My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. * Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a problem. * If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? * If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. Thanks in advance, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
Yes you can use it as is. If racing declare it and take the six second penalty (or cut it down). Also since spin is used measure it and declare. Not to declare oversized sails or spin pole is cheating. Using them and declaring them is notMike From: j...@svpaws.netSent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:03 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole SizingIf racing in a competitive fleet someone may object. Else, just go with it and enjoy a great find. JohnSent from my iPadOn Nov 3, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> wrote: Hello All, I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of actions: My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a problem. If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. Thanks in advance, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia ___This List is provided by the C&C Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
If racing in a competitive fleet someone may object. Else, just go with it and enjoy a great find. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard > wrote: > > Hello All, > > I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker > for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior > owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of > sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I > found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of > actions: > > My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 > feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. > Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me > that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a > problem. > If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? > If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? > > I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something > fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
If it's in good shape, buy the pole, remove an end fitting by either taking out the screws or drilling out the rivets, cut 10" off the aluminum pole, drill the pole for new screws or rivets and put it all back together. Easy! Rich > On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:39, Jean-Francois J Rivard wrote: > > Hello All, > > I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker > for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior > owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of > sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I > found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of > actions: > > My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 > feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. > Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me > that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a > problem. > If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? > If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? > > I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something > fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
If you race, you will be assesed a penalty. I don't see a problem otherwise, but reducing the pole length might be pretty easy depending on how stuck the ends are. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing Hello All, I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of actions: My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. a.. Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a problem. b.. If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? c.. If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. Thanks in advance, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker Pole Sizing
Hello All, I got lucky at my marina's flee market this summer and found a nice spinnaker for a 100 bucks that's almost perfect for my boat. For some reason a prior owner disposed of the spinnaker pole / car and I am in the process of sourcing those. Not wanting to pay 1,600 - 1,800 for a custom new pole I found a used one that might work. I need some help to determine my course of actions: My boat is a 1990 34+ (Also known as a 34/36) My "J" measurement is 14.83 feet and the pole I found measures 15.7 feet. Can I just use it as is? I don't know the implications but it seems to me that the pole sticking out 11 inches past the forestay would not be a problem. If not I suppose I could cut it and refit the end? If I cut it, hoe much would I take out? I might end-up buying new end fittings anyway just sot start with something fresh.. At 350.00 asking price the pole looks like a good deal. Thanks in advance, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Pole - C&C 27
Hi Peter, I have a spin pole, one of the ends is seized up though. I can't imagine I'm going to be using it for a while yet as I almost exclusively single-hand and my spinnaker has a sock so I'd probably just fly it as an asymmetrical anyway. You're welcome to borrow it if you can get it working again, at least it'll tide you over until you find something else (I know if I sell it that for some reason I'll desperately need it soon afterwards). I'm in Sidney too. Cheers, Paul. Orange Crush 1974 C&C27 MkII Sidney, BC. On 13-08-15 04:13 PM, Peter Fell wrote: Anyone on the West Coast got one they are no longer using? Just picked up a very good condition spinnaker for $250. Peter Fell Sidney, BC C&C 27 MkIII ... soon to be renamed ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker Pole - C&C 27
Anyone on the West Coast got one they are no longer using? Just picked up a very good condition spinnaker for $250. Peter Fell Sidney, BC C&C 27 MkIII ... soon to be renamed___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
