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Hi, I've been digging and delving and have found out why this is flakey! When I Drag in the folder in PM, it sets the privileges to the same as the local copy. I then override then in the content pane, so then become owner: root, group: admin. This seems to work ok when you press Apply Recommendations, however, if you drill down into the hierarchy of file, you see see that inside the .app bundle, the contents are still set to the local settings. If you Select All and do it, it correctly changes them to root/admin. If you then build and run an installer, it creates: /Application/AppFolder/AppFolder/myApp.app! If you then remove the Destination field from the Folder (not the container) e.g. set it blank, then all works as expected! So it looks like it does do the sensible thing. e.g. If the Destination Field is blank on an item in the Container, then it defaults to the Destination of the Container. All the Best Dave On 17 Dec 2008, at 17:00, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:27, Dave wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:03, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:28, Dave wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in /Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. It would be crazy if it were true, but it's not. I've just created a simple package maker project that installs to a sub directory of /Applications and it works absolutely fine. Here's how I did it. I created a directory in my home folder that mirrored the way I want the final installation to look i.e. /Users/jeremyp/ - /Applications - /ASubDir I put the distribution application in ASubDir, so I have this directory structure: /Users/jeremyp/ - Applications/ - ASubDir/ - MyApp.app In package maker, I added /Users/jeremyp/Applications as content. On the right hand pane Install was /Users/jeremyp/Applications Destination was /Applications (I had to change this from /) After running the installer with the built package, I had a subdirectory within /Applications called ASubDir containing my application exactly as expected. Please see my last post. Did you set the Destination on the Contained and the Folder within it? I'm not quite sure what you mean. It seems to me that what actually happens is that PM takes everything *in* the folder you specify in the Install field and copies it *into* the location in the destination field. I think the reason it's like this and the destination field defaults to / is that a common use-case of PM is you want to install lots of components in different places e.g. an application in /Applications and a driver in /System/Library/Extensions. It doesn't seem to work unless you do this. To me this seems odd, if left empty surely better behavior would be to use the Containing Item's Destination rather than / ? If you wanted it to go into /, you could just override by entering / in the folder Destination. Also did you try it with files other than just the .app file? e.g. the .app file and (say) a .txt file. Yes. In fact, I just tried it with an empty directory in my package and the empty directory was created successfully. I had this structure: $HOME/testpm/Applications/ subdir/ hosts (copied frome /etc/hosts) emptydir/ I added $HOME/Applications as the content. The install field was $HOME/Applications, the destination was /Applications The subdir structure was created faithfully in /Applications including the emptydir. Incidentally, this method preserved the folder icon I set for the subdir directory. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:25, Graham Lee wrote: Hi Dave, On 17/12/2008 15:19, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: 2. When I run the Install Package after the Initial Screen and clicking Continue, I get to the Screen where is says - Standard Install on VolumeName, there is a button that says Change Install Location, if I press it brings up a list of all mounted volumes (including iPod's!). I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this, I just want it be be installed in /Applications on the System Volume and nowhere else. This is much more of a problem. You can use a VolumeCheck script as described in the Apple developer documentation for installer packages to restrict which volumes the package can be installed to. I did a search of the whole of ADC for Volume Check Script and only found one reference which just mentions it. It doesn't show you how to set up and I can' t even find anything that tell what kind of a Script it is I have to write (if indeed I have to write one at all!) - AppleScript, ShellScript or what??? If I were to be able to write one have have it do a Volume Check would the button still be displayed? If so and I clicked it what would show up? An empty list or a list with just the System Volume in it? All I really want it for the Change Install Location button to be disabled or better still to be hidden altogether. In general, you'll have more luck with installer questions in installer-...@lists.apple.com. That's just not true at the moment anyway, there has been no activity on that list for over 24 hours. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:27, Dave wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:03, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:28, Dave wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in /Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. It would be crazy if it were true, but it's not. I've just created a simple package maker project that installs to a sub directory of /Applications and it works absolutely fine. Here's how I did it. I created a directory in my home folder that mirrored the way I want the final installation to look i.e. /Users/jeremyp/ - /Applications - /ASubDir I put the distribution application in ASubDir, so I have this directory structure: /Users/jeremyp/ - Applications/ - ASubDir/ - MyApp.app In package maker, I added /Users/jeremyp/Applications as content. On the right hand pane Install was /Users/jeremyp/Applications Destination was /Applications (I had to change this from /) After running the installer with the built package, I had a subdirectory within /Applications called ASubDir containing my application exactly as expected. Please see my last post. Did you set the Destination on the Contained and the Folder within it? I'm not quite sure what you mean. It seems to me that what actually happens is that PM takes everything *in* the folder you specify in the Install field and copies it *into* the location in the destination field. I think the reason it's like this and the destination field defaults to / is that a common use-case of PM is you want to install lots of components in different places e.g. an application in /Applications and a driver in /System/Library/Extensions. It doesn't seem to work unless you do this. To me this seems odd, if left empty surely better behavior would be to use the Containing Item's Destination rather than / ? If you wanted it to go into /, you could just override by entering / in the folder Destination. Also did you try it with files other than just the .app file? e.g. the .app file and (say) a .txt file. Yes. In fact, I just tried it with an empty directory in my package and the empty directory was created successfully. I had this structure: $HOME/testpm/Applications/ subdir/ hosts (copied frome /etc/hosts) emptydir/ I added $HOME/Applications as the content. The install field was $HOME/Applications, the destination was /Applications The subdir structure was created faithfully in /Applications including the emptydir. Incidentally, this method preserved the folder icon I set for the subdir directory. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On 17 Dec 2008, at 17:00, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:27, Dave wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:03, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:28, Dave wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in /Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. It would be crazy if it were true, but it's not. I've just created a simple package maker project that installs to a sub directory of /Applications and it works absolutely fine. Here's how I did it. I created a directory in my home folder that mirrored the way I want the final installation to look i.e. /Users/jeremyp/ - /Applications - /ASubDir I put the distribution application in ASubDir, so I have this directory structure: /Users/jeremyp/ - Applications/ - ASubDir/ - MyApp.app In package maker, I added /Users/jeremyp/Applications as content. On the right hand pane Install was /Users/jeremyp/Applications Destination was /Applications (I had to change this from /) After running the installer with the built package, I had a subdirectory within /Applications called ASubDir containing my application exactly as expected. Please see my last post. Did you set the Destination on the Contained and the Folder within it? I'm not quite sure what you mean. It seems to me that what actually happens is that PM takes everything *in* the folder you specify in the Install field and copies it *into* the location in the destination field. I think the reason it's like this and the destination field defaults to / is that a common use-case of PM is you want to install lots of components in different places e.g. an application in /Applications and a driver in /System/Library/Extensions. In the lower section of the left hand pane in PM, when you drag the folder to it, it creates a container, then inside that container (click on the disclose triangle) it show the folder and the files in it. It you click the container, it will show a Destination Field, just setting this field alone does nothing AFAICT, if you then click the folder it will show the contents pane, in here you have another Destination field, if you leave that blank, the it defaults to /. I can't see the point of having the destination field in the content item since you have to specify it for the folder anyway. It doesn't seem to work unless you do this. To me this seems odd, if left empty surely better behavior would be to use the Containing Item's Destination rather than / ? If you wanted it to go into /, you could just override by entering / in the folder Destination. Also did you try it with files other than just the .app file? e.g. the .app file and (say) a .txt file. Yes. In fact, I just tried it with an empty directory in my package and the empty directory was created successfully. I had this structure: $HOME/testpm/Applications/ subdir/ hosts (copied frome /etc/hosts) emptydir/ I added $HOME/Applications as the content. The install field was $HOME/Applications, the destination was /Applications The subdir structure was created faithfully in /Applications including the emptydir. Incidentally, this method preserved the folder icon I set for the subdir directory. You are right it does install empty folders which is good. The problem is that it doesn't install empty folders that are within the .app bundle (I should have said this), e.g. I have an empty folder: myApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Runtime/PlugIns (it just contains a .ds_store file). This does not get created when the installer is run. It's no big deal, just means that I will have to check if it exists in my app and create it if not. I don't want to do this now, since it will mean I'd have to re-submit the app to QA and we don't have the time right now. Whatever I try I cannot get it to create the custom Icon, again no big deal. Incidentally, I have now updated the AppleScript Installer to remove the quarantine flags using xattr, this works well too. So I can now ship both and let them decide which they want. I reckon they will go for the AppleScript version, it's so much easier and quicker. I just timed it, from opening the Script to the app launching is about 10 seconds. By the time the user has opened the package and clicked a few buttons, it's going to be about a minute using PM I reckon, not a lot in it, but the AS version just flow better IMO. Thanks a
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
Le 17 déc. 08 à 16:19, Dave a écrit : Hi Matt, Thanks so much for this. I was using PM version 3.0.2, I hadn't realized that there was a new version of XCode available, for some reason I thought it would auto-magically detect a new version and offer to update itself. Anyway I downloaded the latest and installed it, so I now have PM 3.0.3. Using this version I was able to re- create your experience! -- Anyway, these problems went away with 3.0.3. I now have four remaining problems: 1. The folder I drag into the PM window has a custom icon on it. This does not get copied correctly, when installed it is just a plain folder. I am guessing it's because the Icon hidden file it's copied over or re-created correctly. No big deal. If you set /Application/AppFolder as destination, the AppFolder is created by the installer, and so, the Custom Icon Finder flag will not be set on it. 2. When I run the Install Package after the Initial Screen and clicking Continue, I get to the Screen where is says - Standard Install on VolumeName, there is a button that says Change Install Location, if I press it brings up a list of all mounted volumes (including iPod's!). I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this, I just want it be be installed in /Applications on the System Volume and nowhere else. This is much more of a problem. In the Distribution settings, there is a System Volume check box and a Volume Selected by user check box. 3. Empty folders do not seem to be installed and I can't seem to find a way to enable the installation of empty folders. This a significant problem too. 4. .DS_Store files are included in the install package unless you un-check them. No Big Deal. I think the .DS_Stores files are filtered at build time (using the File Filters… settings). Well at least I have something to show now! Thanks again to all that helped. All the Best Dave On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:49, Matt Gough wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:28, Dave wrote: Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in /Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. Dave, After 5 minutes in PackageMaker (having never used it before and not having read any instructions) I was perfectly able to install an app and other files within a Sub-folder of /Applications This is with PM 3.0.3: Assuming your folder with app and files is MyApp (and that it isn't already in /Applications): 1. Create a new Package. 2. Drop MyApp into the Contents section of the package 3. In Configuration Destination enter /Applications/MyApp 4. If you always want to ensure the actual app ends up in that folder and does not update an existing installation elsewhere on the disk: 4a. In Components, turn off the Allow Relocation checkbox 5. Build and Run That's it My guess is that for Step 3, you just had /Applications. That's what I had the first time I tried it and everything did indeed get put directly in /Applications. Hope that helps Matt Gough ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:28, Dave wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in / Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. It would be crazy if it were true, but it's not. I've just created a simple package maker project that installs to a sub directory of /Applications and it works absolutely fine. Here's how I did it. I created a directory in my home folder that mirrored the way I want the final installation to look i.e. /Users/jeremyp/ - /Applications - /ASubDir I put the distribution application in ASubDir, so I have this directory structure: /Users/jeremyp/ - Applications/ - ASubDir/ - MyApp.app In package maker, I added /Users/jeremyp/Applications as content. On the right hand pane Install was /Users/jeremyp/Applications Destination was /Applications (I had to change this from /) After running the installer with the built package, I had a subdirectory within /Applications called ASubDir containing my application exactly as expected. I will go back to using the AppleScript's and try using the xattr trick. Thanks Again, All the Best Dave On 17 Dec 2008, at 01:18, Mark Allan wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:55, Dave wrote: All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. Have you tried using the version of PackageMaker which comes with Xcode 2.5? I'm probably in the minority here, but I find it much easier to work with than the current version. You can download Xcode 2.5 DevTools from the ADC website and then opt to install it in a different directory from the current Dev Tools. You won't be able to make use of 10.5 specific things like flat packages and signed packages etc. but if you're also targeting previous versions of OS X, then that's maybe not an issue anyway. Mark ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/adc%40jeremyp.net This email sent to a...@jeremyp.net ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:29, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: Le 17 déc. 08 à 16:19, Dave a écrit : Hi Matt, Thanks so much for this. I was using PM version 3.0.2, I hadn't realized that there was a new version of XCode available, for some reason I thought it would auto-magically detect a new version and offer to update itself. Anyway I downloaded the latest and installed it, so I now have PM 3.0.3. Using this version I was able to re-create your experience! -- Anyway, these problems went away with 3.0.3. I now have four remaining problems: 1. The folder I drag into the PM window has a custom icon on it. This does not get copied correctly, when installed it is just a plain folder. I am guessing it's because the Icon hidden file it's copied over or re-created correctly. No big deal. If you set /Application/AppFolder as destination, the AppFolder is created by the installer, and so, the Custom Icon Finder flag will not be set on it. 2. When I run the Install Package after the Initial Screen and clicking Continue, I get to the Screen where is says - Standard Install on VolumeName, there is a button that says Change Install Location, if I press it brings up a list of all mounted volumes (including iPod's!). I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this, I just want it be be installed in /Applications on the System Volume and nowhere else. This is much more of a problem. In the Distribution settings, there is a System Volume check box and a Volume Selected by user check box. Yes, I have this set on, but it still displays the button. I have: Easy Install Only Volume Selected by User Off System volume On User Home Directory Off 3. Empty folders do not seem to be installed and I can't seem to find a way to enable the installation of empty folders. This a significant problem too. 4. .DS_Store files are included in the install package unless you un-check them. No Big Deal. I think the .DS_Stores files are filtered at build time (using the File Filters… settings). Ok, thanks, there was a check-box on version 2, I was looking for it on version 3, looks like it's gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky. I have posted at the installer list, but no replies, in fact apart from my messages, there has only been one other message posted in over 24 hours! More of a ghost-list! All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
Hi Matt, Thanks so much for this. I was using PM version 3.0.2, I hadn't realized that there was a new version of XCode available, for some reason I thought it would auto-magically detect a new version and offer to update itself. Anyway I downloaded the latest and installed it, so I now have PM 3.0.3. Using this version I was able to re- create your experience! AFAICT, there were at least three problems using 3.0.2 that caused confusion: 1. After dragging the folder containing the files to the PM Window and then selecting /Applcations/AppFolder/ as the destination of the of the Container *and* the Folder within and saving the project, the folder Destination value is NOT saved. If close and re-load the project it the Destination field of AppFolder is empty! 2. The Permissions were not set incorrectly, e.g. the values in the Contents Tab were not stored. 3. Empty Folders are not installed/created, this masked the problems in point 1 above. -- Anyway, these problems went away with 3.0.3. I now have four remaining problems: 1. The folder I drag into the PM window has a custom icon on it. This does not get copied correctly, when installed it is just a plain folder. I am guessing it's because the Icon hidden file it's copied over or re-created correctly. No big deal. 2. When I run the Install Package after the Initial Screen and clicking Continue, I get to the Screen where is says - Standard Install on VolumeName, there is a button that says Change Install Location, if I press it brings up a list of all mounted volumes (including iPod's!). I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this, I just want it be be installed in /Applications on the System Volume and nowhere else. This is much more of a problem. 3. Empty folders do not seem to be installed and I can't seem to find a way to enable the installation of empty folders. This a significant problem too. 4. .DS_Store files are included in the install package unless you un- check them. No Big Deal. Well at least I have something to show now! Thanks again to all that helped. All the Best Dave On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:49, Matt Gough wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:28, Dave wrote: Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in /Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. Dave, After 5 minutes in PackageMaker (having never used it before and not having read any instructions) I was perfectly able to install an app and other files within a Sub-folder of /Applications This is with PM 3.0.3: Assuming your folder with app and files is MyApp (and that it isn't already in /Applications): 1. Create a new Package. 2. Drop MyApp into the Contents section of the package 3. In Configuration Destination enter /Applications/MyApp 4. If you always want to ensure the actual app ends up in that folder and does not update an existing installation elsewhere on the disk: 4a. In Components, turn off the Allow Relocation checkbox 5. Build and Run That's it My guess is that for Step 3, you just had /Applications. That's what I had the first time I tried it and everything did indeed get put directly in /Applications. Hope that helps Matt Gough ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: So I can now ship both and let them decide which they want. I reckon they will go for the AppleScript version, it's so much easier and quicker. I just timed it, from opening the Script to the app launching is about 10 seconds. By the time the user has opened the package and clicked a few buttons, it's going to be about a minute using PM I reckon, not a lot in it, but the AS version just flow better IMO. One of the best things about the Mac platform is that developers typically care enough about their users to invest the time in making decisions on their behalf in order to improve the user experience. Windows developers, and Linux developers in particular, seem petrified of making decisions, instead opting to make everything configurable. I call this Gentoo syndrome because Gentoo is the Linux distro I think is most plagued by this problem. In other words, don't be afraid to decide. As a sysadmin, by not providing an Installer package, I can't incorporate your software into a NetInstall image. This means I won't install your software. Now that you have an Installer package, there's little reason to keep the AppleScript version around. Don't be afraid to make that decision. --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Mark, Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in / Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. I will go back to using the AppleScript's and try using the xattr trick. Thanks Again, All the Best Dave On 17 Dec 2008, at 01:18, Mark Allan wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:55, Dave wrote: All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. Have you tried using the version of PackageMaker which comes with Xcode 2.5? I'm probably in the minority here, but I find it much easier to work with than the current version. You can download Xcode 2.5 DevTools from the ADC website and then opt to install it in a different directory from the current Dev Tools. You won't be able to make use of 10.5 specific things like flat packages and signed packages etc. but if you're also targeting previous versions of OS X, then that's maybe not an issue anyway. Mark ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:28, Dave wrote: Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in / Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. Dave, After 5 minutes in PackageMaker (having never used it before and not having read any instructions) I was perfectly able to install an app and other files within a Sub-folder of /Applications This is with PM 3.0.3: Assuming your folder with app and files is MyApp (and that it isn't already in /Applications): 1. Create a new Package. 2. Drop MyApp into the Contents section of the package 3. In Configuration Destination enter /Applications/MyApp 4. If you always want to ensure the actual app ends up in that folder and does not update an existing installation elsewhere on the disk: 4a. In Components, turn off the Allow Relocation checkbox 5. Build and Run That's it My guess is that for Step 3, you just had /Applications. That's what I had the first time I tried it and everything did indeed get put directly in /Applications. Hope that helps Matt Gough ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Dave, On 17/12/2008 15:19, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: 2. When I run the Install Package after the Initial Screen and clicking Continue, I get to the Screen where is says - Standard Install on VolumeName, there is a button that says Change Install Location, if I press it brings up a list of all mounted volumes (including iPod's!). I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this, I just want it be be installed in /Applications on the System Volume and nowhere else. This is much more of a problem. You can use a VolumeCheck script as described in the Apple developer documentation for installer packages to restrict which volumes the package can be installed to. In general, you'll have more luck with installer questions in installer-...@lists.apple.com. Cheers, Graham. -- Graham Lee Senior Macintosh Software Engineer, Sophos Plc. +44 1235 540266 http://www.sophos.com/ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 17 Dec 2008, at 12:03, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 11:28, Dave wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks a lot, it certainly is a lot easier to use and a lot less flakey, but it still doesn't work. It does not create a folder in /Applications it just installs the raw files there instead. I'm giving up on PackageMaker, it just doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any support for it. Seems crazy that you can't do this one simple thing with it, in every other installer I've ever used this would have been a 5 min job, 2 days later using PackageMaker and still nothing. Oh well, such is life. It would be crazy if it were true, but it's not. I've just created a simple package maker project that installs to a sub directory of /Applications and it works absolutely fine. Here's how I did it. I created a directory in my home folder that mirrored the way I want the final installation to look i.e. /Users/jeremyp/ - /Applications - /ASubDir I put the distribution application in ASubDir, so I have this directory structure: /Users/jeremyp/ - Applications/ - ASubDir/ - MyApp.app In package maker, I added /Users/jeremyp/Applications as content. On the right hand pane Install was /Users/jeremyp/Applications Destination was /Applications (I had to change this from /) After running the installer with the built package, I had a subdirectory within /Applications called ASubDir containing my application exactly as expected. Please see my last post. Did you set the Destination on the Contained and the Folder within it? It doesn't seem to work unless you do this. To me this seems odd, if left empty surely better behavior would be to use the Containing Item's Destination rather than / ? If you wanted it to go into /, you could just override by entering / in the folder Destination. Also did you try it with files other than just the .app file? e.g. the .app file and (say) a .txt file. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 17 Dec 2008, at 20:17, Kyle Sluder wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: So I can now ship both and let them decide which they want. I reckon they will go for the AppleScript version, it's so much easier and quicker. I just timed it, from opening the Script to the app launching is about 10 seconds. By the time the user has opened the package and clicked a few buttons, it's going to be about a minute using PM I reckon, not a lot in it, but the AS version just flow better IMO. One of the best things about the Mac platform is that developers typically care enough about their users to invest the time in making decisions on their behalf in order to improve the user experience. Windows developers, and Linux developers in particular, seem petrified of making decisions, instead opting to make everything configurable. I call this Gentoo syndrome because Gentoo is the Linux distro I think is most plagued by this problem. Not sure what you mean, I don't on Linux, just Mac and Windoze. In other words, don't be afraid to decide. As a sysadmin, by not providing an Installer package, I can't incorporate your software into a NetInstall image. This means I won't install your software. Now that you have an Installer package, there's little reason to keep the AppleScript version around. Don't be afraid to make that decision. --Kyle Sluder Hi Kyle, I have provided a installer package as well as making the AppleScript version work. It's not my decision to make which one is finally used, I'll do whatever the powers that be decide they want. You probably wouldn't want this software as a Net Install anyway, I wish I could say more as to why, but I can't. One of the things (for me as a developer) that makes me rather have the AppleScript version, is that I have automated the AppleScript and image file generation. Unfortunately I don't think I'd be able to do the same with PackageMaker. Also if I do an update of the base software (the components that are installed) PackageMaker doesn't seem to notice this. For instance, I make a .pkg file, then added a folder to the input files, when I re-opened the project, the new folder (and it's contents) were not visible in the PM content pane. I will look into this more tomorrow, I'm done for the day now after 13 hours! Thanks for your help, it is really appreciated. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Le 17 déc. 08 à 16:40, Dave a écrit : On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:29, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: Le 17 déc. 08 à 16:19, Dave a écrit : Hi Matt, Thanks so much for this. I was using PM version 3.0.2, I hadn't realized that there was a new version of XCode available, for some reason I thought it would auto-magically detect a new version and offer to update itself. Anyway I downloaded the latest and installed it, so I now have PM 3.0.3. Using this version I was able to re-create your experience! -- Anyway, these problems went away with 3.0.3. I now have four remaining problems: 1. The folder I drag into the PM window has a custom icon on it. This does not get copied correctly, when installed it is just a plain folder. I am guessing it's because the Icon hidden file it's copied over or re-created correctly. No big deal. If you set /Application/AppFolder as destination, the AppFolder is created by the installer, and so, the Custom Icon Finder flag will not be set on it. 2. When I run the Install Package after the Initial Screen and clicking Continue, I get to the Screen where is says - Standard Install on VolumeName, there is a button that says Change Install Location, if I press it brings up a list of all mounted volumes (including iPod's!). I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this, I just want it be be installed in /Applications on the System Volume and nowhere else. This is much more of a problem. In the Distribution settings, there is a System Volume check box and a Volume Selected by user check box. Yes, I have this set on, but it still displays the button. I have: Easy Install Only Volume Selected by User Off System volume On User Home Directory Off 3. Empty folders do not seem to be installed and I can't seem to find a way to enable the installation of empty folders. This a significant problem too. 4. .DS_Store files are included in the install package unless you un-check them. No Big Deal. I think the .DS_Stores files are filtered at build time (using the File Filters… settings). Ok, thanks, there was a check-box on version 2, I was looking for it on version 3, looks like it's gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky. No it is at the bottom of the file list. I have posted at the installer list, but no replies, in fact apart from my messages, there has only been one other message posted in over 24 hours! More of a ghost-list! All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 15:25, Dave wrote: In response to this I was advised to use PackageMaker in order to create an Installer, which would in turn suppress the Security dialogs. So I built an installer but I can't get it to install the folder containing file, so far I have only managed to get it to install the myApp.app file. So, my question is: Is it possible to create an installer with package maker that does the same as the AppleScript, e.g. installs a folder in / Applications (or anywhere for that matter). I am sure it is, but Cocoa-dev is not the best place to ask. http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/installer-dev seems more appropriate and more likely to solve your problem. Good luck Matt ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, On 16 Dec 2008, at 13:14, matt.go...@agfa.com wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 13:54, Dave wrote: I don't install files into that folder, my application writes files to that location (by default, the user can change it) once installed. From the above document: It is important to remember that the user domain (/Users) is intended for files created by the user. With the exception of the ~/Library directory, your application should never ***install*** files into the user’s home directory. In particular, you should never install files into a user’s Documents directory or into the / Users/Shared directory. These directories should only be modified by the user. They keyword here is ***install***. OK, so if these files are really your apps 'documents' (ie the user- driven output of your app) then they should probably go into ~/ Documents/MyApp instead of ~/MyApp by default. If they are just settings/caches/other things then they belong somewhere in ~/ Library. It is very uncommon for applications to write directly into ~/ on the Mac. (Looking on my own home folder, on a machine with multiple 3rd Party products in use for 2 years there are no (zero, zilch) non-standard folders/files that have been created by anything. By all means allow the user to define the default location. Sorry, yes it does store them in the user's Documents/myApp Folder, not directly in the User's Home folder. I didn't take much care in writing that since it really didn't help to solve my problem. I was just pointing out that there were not stored in the User section, not the System Section. Please note that the replies you got on this list may seem a bit snobby (Don't put that there, don't do that, why do you want to do that etc) if you are coming from another platform. Please understand that these are only intended as suggestions to help your app feel familiar to Mac users (i.e your potential customers). If you deviate too much from what they expect just to fit in with the way you do things on other platforms (which these customers have probably never used) then you will just confuse/frustrate them. That's ok, I understand that people are trying to help and I am grateful for the discussion, if I do have anything non MacOS X (I don't think I do though) I will change it. The thing is that none of this solves my problem! It really doesn't matter a fig if the app is installed /Applications, or on a USB stick or wherever (apart from (maybe) not being 100% MacOSX - that can be changed later if deemed necessary). I want it to be able to install a folder containing the app and some other files *somewhere*. Whether that *somewhere* is the right place or not is another issue and one that can be dealt with after I have got this application shipped for evaluation by my boss and others. They really don't care if the files are in the right place or not they just want it see the installer working on 10.5.x. Thanks a lot for your help All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, On 16 Dec 2008, at 11:41, Kyle Sluder wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: It doesn't write any user specific data within /Applications, any files it does create and in the current users home folder, in a folder for the Application. Your files belong in ~/Library/Application Support/YourSubfolder, not in ~/YourSubfolder. See the section of the File System Overview document entitled Don't Pollute User Space: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ BPFileSystem/Articles/WhereToPutFiles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ TP40001411-111946 I don't install files into that folder, my application writes files to that location (by default, the user can change it) once installed. From the above document: It is important to remember that the user domain (/Users) is intended for files created by the user. With the exception of the ~/ Library directory, your application should never ***install*** files into the user’s home directory. In particular, you should never install files into a user’s Documents directory or into the /Users/ Shared directory. These directories should only be modified by the user. They keyword here is ***install***. Only admin's are required to install the App. Just because only admins need to install it doesn't imply that they don't want to run it from elsewhere. They can run the app from elsewhere, just not install it. This is the way we want it to work for a number of reasons far too long to go into now. --Kyle Sluder All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 11:37, Kyle Sluder wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: But that isn't the requirement, we just want it installed in / Applications and accessible to all users, that's it! By which do you mean it's not a requirement that we have thought of? No, we have thought of it and the best/only way to use this app is to have it installed in /Applications by an administrator and to be able to run it from any user. See the HIG: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/ userexperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/ XHIGInstallationsUpdates/chapter_10_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/ uid/TP40002722-CJACABIA I couldn't find the page you mention above. In other words, the default case is for applications to be able to run from /Applications, ~/Applications, /Network/Applications, or even /TheDepthsOfSpace. If your app has no functionality that mandates it run /Applications, then I should be able to put it on my USB Mass Storage candy-cane and run it from there. It wouldn't really make sense to be able to run it from anywhere other than /Applications on the system drive. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 13:54, Dave wrote: I don't install files into that folder, my application writes files to that location (by default, the user can change it) once installed. From the above document: It is important to remember that the user domain (/Users) is intended for files created by the user. With the exception of the ~/ Library directory, your application should never ***install*** files into the user’s home directory. In particular, you should never install files into a user’s Documents directory or into the /Users/ Shared directory. These directories should only be modified by the user. They keyword here is ***install***. OK, so if these files are really your apps 'documents' (ie the user- driven output of your app) then they should probably go into ~/ Documents/MyApp instead of ~/MyApp by default. If they are just settings/caches/other things then they belong somewhere in ~/Library. It is very uncommon for applications to write directly into ~/ on the Mac. (Looking on my own home folder, on a machine with multiple 3rd Party products in use for 2 years there are no (zero, zilch) non- standard folders/files that have been created by anything. By all means allow the user to define the default location. Please note that the replies you got on this list may seem a bit snobby (Don't put that there, don't do that, why do you want to do that etc) if you are coming from another platform. Please understand that these are only intended as suggestions to help your app feel familiar to Mac users (i.e your potential customers). If you deviate too much from what they expect just to fit in with the way you do things on other platforms (which these customers have probably never used) then you will just confuse/frustrate them. Matt Gough___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: It wouldn't really make sense to be able to run it from anywhere other than /Applications on the system drive. I'm sorry but I find this hard to believe. What is your application doing that it's installation location is relevant to its operation? --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: This has worked wonderfully since MacOS X 10.3.x. There 10.5.x was released and the above still works BUT, we get 4 or 5 security dialogs. We just want to suppress all but the first. You were given this advice last week: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Jim Puls j...@nondifferentiable.com wrote: Mike is right - don't roll your own installer - but for the record, if you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? Geoff ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:17, Geoff Beier wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: This has worked wonderfully since MacOS X 10.3.x. There 10.5.x was released and the above still works BUT, we get 4 or 5 security dialogs. We just want to suppress all but the first. You were given this advice last week: Yes, I know and I took it! Caused more problems, please see all of the email you are copying from. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Jim Puls j...@nondifferentiable.com wrote: Mike is right - don't roll your own installer - but for the record, if you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? From the same email the above is from: We just want to suppress all but the first. In response to this I was advised to use PackageMaker in order to create an Installer, which would in turn suppress the Security dialogs. So I built an installer but I can't get it to install the folder containing file, so far I have only managed to get it to install the myApp.app file. So, my question is: Is it possible to create an installer with package maker that does the same as the AppleScript, e.g. installs a folder in / Applications (or anywhere for that matter). All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Sorry. I was pointing to a different part of the advice: you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? Did you try calling LSSetItemAttribute() on your cleanup bundle and on your real application? (or shelling out to xattr if that's easier from the context of your installer?) Did it fix your warnings? What problems did it cause you? All I saw in your follow-up was discussion about packagemaker. Did I miss where you talked about trying the LaunchServices calls? Regards, Geoff ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, On 16 Dec 2008, at 13:17, Kyle Sluder wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: It wouldn't really make sense to be able to run it from anywhere other than /Applications on the system drive. I'm sorry but I find this hard to believe. What is your application doing that it's installation location is relevant to its operation? I can't explain fully because it's propriety and I really don't have the time! Basically it can be launched by other applications and we need to ensure as much as possible that it is available to be launched. If it's on a volume other than the System volume then there is less chance that it will be available. There is more to it than that, but I can't say much more for the above reasons. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:46, Geoff Beier wrote: Sorry. I was pointing to a different part of the advice: you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? Did you try calling LSSetItemAttribute() on your cleanup bundle and on your real application? (or shelling out to xattr if that's easier from the context of your installer?) Did it fix your warnings? What problems did it cause you? All I saw in your follow-up was discussion about packagemaker. Did I miss where you talked about trying the LaunchServices calls? Sorry, I misunderstood. I haven't used any LaunchServices calls, it wouldn't really work anyway, since I'd get still get 2 or 3 security dialogs and I just want one (or none). 1. Download .dmg file. 2. Mount the Image (Security Dialog). 3. Launch the Installer AppleScript (Security Dialog). 4. Launch the CleanUp AppleScript Security Dialog). 5. Launch the Real App, (Security Dialog after doing the LaunchServices magic). All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi All, This thread seems have to have wondered about a bit. This is an attempt to simplify what I am trying to achieve. Before 10.5.x we had the following: 1. A .dmg file containing an Installer AppleScript Application (called Double Click to Install Launch.app) and a Folder. The Installer copies the folder from the image to /Applications on the system volume. 2. Once the folder had been copied, it launches another AppleScript App (called CleanUp.app). This ejects the image and launches the main application. This has worked wonderfully since MacOS X 10.3.x. There 10.5.x was released and the above still works BUT, we get 4 or 5 security dialogs. We just want to suppress all but the first. In response to this I was advised to use PackageMaker in order to create an Installer, which would in turn suppress the Security dialogs. So I built an installer but I can't get it to install the folder containing file, so far I have only managed to get it to install the myApp.app file. So, my question is: Is it possible to create an installer with package maker that does the same as the AppleScript, e.g. installs a folder in / Applications (or anywhere for that matter). Thanks a lot All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I see. I didn't catch the dialog on the disk image itself. While diving into package maker is the right thing to do, you should be able to fix your installer so that your workflow looks like: 1. Download the .dmg file. 2. Mount the image. (security dialog? i don't think i get these) 3. Launch the installer script (security dialog. no way around this one) Then the installer: a. creates your directory b. copies your cleanup app, real app, etc. to your directory c. uses either the launch servcies calls (actually xattr probably makes more sense from an applescript) to clear the quarantine attributes from the cleanup app and real app 4. cleanup app (no security dialog thanks to the above) 5. real app (ditto) If that's a good enough workflow to get your demo out the door and buy you some time to learn packagemaker, clearing those attributes ought to be an easy addition to your install script. HTH, Geoff On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:46, Geoff Beier wrote: Sorry. I was pointing to a different part of the advice: you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? Did you try calling LSSetItemAttribute() on your cleanup bundle and on your real application? (or shelling out to xattr if that's easier from the context of your installer?) Did it fix your warnings? What problems did it cause you? All I saw in your follow-up was discussion about packagemaker. Did I miss where you talked about trying the LaunchServices calls? Sorry, I misunderstood. I haven't used any LaunchServices calls, it wouldn't really work anyway, since I'd get still get 2 or 3 security dialogs and I just want one (or none). 1. Download .dmg file. 2. Mount the Image (Security Dialog). 3. Launch the Installer AppleScript (Security Dialog). 4. Launch the CleanUp AppleScript Security Dialog). 5. Launch the Real App, (Security Dialog after doing the LaunchServices magic). All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: It doesn't write any user specific data within /Applications, any files it does create and in the current users home folder, in a folder for the Application. Your files belong in ~/Library/Application Support/YourSubfolder, not in ~/YourSubfolder. See the section of the File System Overview document entitled Don't Pollute User Space: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPFileSystem/Articles/WhereToPutFiles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001411-111946 Only admin's are required to install the App. Just because only admins need to install it doesn't imply that they don't want to run it from elsewhere. --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 15/12/2008 17:41, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: Hi, I looked at the Man page below, I can't see anything that says udifrez. Is this meant for me? I'm not sure what I am supposed to do with it. Hi Dave, on my system (10.5.6): udifrez [options] image Attaches resources (software license agreements, for example) to a disk image. Hope that helps, Graham. -- Graham Lee Senior Macintosh Software Engineer, Sophos Plc. +44 1235 540266 http://www.sophos.com/ Sophos Plc, The Pentagon, Abingdon Science Park, Abingdon, OX14 3YP, United Kingdom. Company Reg No 2096520. VAT Reg No GB 348 3873 20. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: But that isn't the requirement, we just want it installed in /Applications and accessible to all users, that's it! By which do you mean it's not a requirement that we have thought of? See the HIG: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/userexperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGInstallationsUpdates/chapter_10_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002722-CJACABIA In other words, the default case is for applications to be able to run from /Applications, ~/Applications, /Network/Applications, or even /TheDepthsOfSpace. If your app has no functionality that mandates it run /Applications, then I should be able to put it on my USB Mass Storage candy-cane and run it from there. --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, I looked at xattr but can't find a man page and couldn't seem to find much about it anywhere. I did a xattr -l CleanUp.App, and it produced a dump of the data and resource forks. I can't see any attribute names. Is there any docs on xattr? Or better still, what is the command I would need to remove the quarantine status of the file? One other thing, is xattr guaranteed to be on the user's system? Oh, and will this work on Version of MacOS X 10.5 ? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 16 Dec 2008, at 18:23, Geoff Beier wrote: I see. I didn't catch the dialog on the disk image itself. While diving into package maker is the right thing to do, you should be able to fix your installer so that your workflow looks like: 1. Download the .dmg file. 2. Mount the image. (security dialog? i don't think i get these) 3. Launch the installer script (security dialog. no way around this one) Then the installer: a. creates your directory b. copies your cleanup app, real app, etc. to your directory c. uses either the launch servcies calls (actually xattr probably makes more sense from an applescript) to clear the quarantine attributes from the cleanup app and real app 4. cleanup app (no security dialog thanks to the above) 5. real app (ditto) If that's a good enough workflow to get your demo out the door and buy you some time to learn packagemaker, clearing those attributes ought to be an easy addition to your install script. HTH, Geoff On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:46, Geoff Beier wrote: Sorry. I was pointing to a different part of the advice: you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? Did you try calling LSSetItemAttribute() on your cleanup bundle and on your real application? (or shelling out to xattr if that's easier from the context of your installer?) Did it fix your warnings? What problems did it cause you? All I saw in your follow-up was discussion about packagemaker. Did I miss where you talked about trying the LaunchServices calls? Sorry, I misunderstood. I haven't used any LaunchServices calls, it wouldn't really work anyway, since I'd get still get 2 or 3 security dialogs and I just want one (or none). 1. Download .dmg file. 2. Mount the Image (Security Dialog). 3. Launch the Installer AppleScript (Security Dialog). 4. Launch the CleanUp AppleScript Security Dialog). 5. Launch the Real App, (Security Dialog after doing the LaunchServices magic). All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Le 16 déc. 08 à 20:02, Dave a écrit : Hi, I looked at xattr but can't find a man page and couldn't seem to find much about it anywhere. I did a xattr -l CleanUp.App, and it produced a dump of the data and resource forks. I can't see any attribute names. Is there any docs on xattr? Or better still, what is the command I would need to remove the quarantine status of the file? xattr -d com.apple.quarantine myFile The problem is that the fact OS X uses an extended attribute to store this flag is an implementation details (and may change). That's why you should use Launch Services. One other thing, is xattr guaranteed to be on the user's system? Oh, and will this work on Version of MacOS X 10.5 ? Yes, it's garantee on Mac OS 10.5, and this attribute is not supported on previous versions, so you don't have to care (if xattr does not exists, just skip this step in your installer). Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 16 Dec 2008, at 18:23, Geoff Beier wrote: I see. I didn't catch the dialog on the disk image itself. While diving into package maker is the right thing to do, you should be able to fix your installer so that your workflow looks like: 1. Download the .dmg file. 2. Mount the image. (security dialog? i don't think i get these) 3. Launch the installer script (security dialog. no way around this one) Then the installer: a. creates your directory b. copies your cleanup app, real app, etc. to your directory c. uses either the launch servcies calls (actually xattr probably makes more sense from an applescript) to clear the quarantine attributes from the cleanup app and real app 4. cleanup app (no security dialog thanks to the above) 5. real app (ditto) If that's a good enough workflow to get your demo out the door and buy you some time to learn packagemaker, clearing those attributes ought to be an easy addition to your install script. HTH, Geoff On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:46, Geoff Beier wrote: Sorry. I was pointing to a different part of the advice: you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. I think it should work if you don't feel like PackageMaker works for you. Did you try it? Did it work? Did you try calling LSSetItemAttribute() on your cleanup bundle and on your real application? (or shelling out to xattr if that's easier from the context of your installer?) Did it fix your warnings? What problems did it cause you? All I saw in your follow-up was discussion about packagemaker. Did I miss where you talked about trying the LaunchServices calls? Sorry, I misunderstood. I haven't used any LaunchServices calls, it wouldn't really work anyway, since I'd get still get 2 or 3 security dialogs and I just want one (or none). 1. Download .dmg file. 2. Mount the Image (Security Dialog). 3. Launch the Installer AppleScript (Security Dialog). 4. Launch the CleanUp AppleScript Security Dialog). 5. Launch the Real App, (Security Dialog after doing the LaunchServices magic). All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/devlists%40shadowlab.org This email sent to devli...@shadowlab.org ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Dave wrote: Hi, I looked at the Man page below, I can't see anything that says udifrez. Is this meant for me? I'm not sure what I am supposed to do with it. All the Best Dave I also looked at the hdiutil manpage: For the verb udifrez it states: udifrez [options] image Attaches resources (software license agreements, for example) to a disk image. That is you invoke it something like this: hdiutil udifrez options diskimage -- Home is not where you are born, but where your heart finds peace - Tommy Nordgren, The dying old crone tommy.nordg...@comhem.se ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:55, Dave wrote: All I have done is to create an Installer with PackageMaker, but I can't get it to installer a folder with the files in it. Have you tried using the version of PackageMaker which comes with Xcode 2.5? I'm probably in the minority here, but I find it much easier to work with than the current version. You can download Xcode 2.5 DevTools from the ADC website and then opt to install it in a different directory from the current Dev Tools. You won't be able to make use of 10.5 specific things like flat packages and signed packages etc. but if you're also targeting previous versions of OS X, then that's maybe not an issue anyway. Mark ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, I've been trying to use PackageMaker to build an installer without much luck, it seems very flakey. I following the instructions in the manual and actually created one usable installer. When it worked it created a .mpkg file. I then made some changes and built it again, this time it said it couldn't create a .mpkg file but only a .pkg file. So I said ok, it then builds ok, but when I run the installer I get The installer encountered an unknown error that failed the install. Contact the software manufacturer for assistance. So firstly, what is the difference between a .mpkg file and a .pkg file, and how do I select .mpkg? (Since that seemed to work). I've being experimenting since I wrote the above. My installation consists of a folder that contains an application. I want the folder to be created in /Applications, however, it doesn't seem to let me do this. I end up with just the .app file in /Applications, not a folder with the app inside it as I expected. So, how do I get it to create a folder that contains my app file? So I set everything up, an build an installer, and then save the project to a .pmdoc file, all seems ok. If I then quit PackageMaker and then open the .pmdoc file again and try to build an installer, I find that the setting have reverted to before I changed then so I have to go thru the whole process again. Is this expected or is it a bug or what? For instance, when re-open the .pmdoc file and re-build the installer, I get a warning saving that the destination was not selected and it will be installed in /. If I set again set it to Applications it works again but when I save and re-open project file, it setting has reverted back to empty. The same goes for the permissions. When I first added the files to the project, I dragged in the folder containing the application, I then set the permissions to Owner: root, Group: admin as per the manual. Whenever I re-open the pm.doc file, the permissions have reverted to back to Owner: Dave, Group: admin. All in all a terrible experience so far, especially since I already had it working to everyones satisfaction using the AppleScript(s). If anyone could shed some light on this I'd be really grateful. I really need to get an application/installer out the door ASAP. Thanks in Advance, All the Best Dave On 12 Dec 2008, at 12:25, Mike Abdullah wrote: Does your app actually require an installer? If so, use Apple's built-in installer application; don't roll your own with AppleScript. If an installer is not really needed, just provide the application on its own inside the DMG file. Users can drag and drop it to their preferred destination. On 12 Dec 2008, at 11:25, Dave wrote: Hi, Thanks for this. I have a little more information in the problem: The user downloads a ,dmg file, this image contains (among others) the following files: Install.app-- Installation AppleScript. Cleanup.app -- AppleScript that is run after the installation has completed, (ejects the image etc.) RealApp.app -- The Application that is being Installed. When the user attempts to mount the Image file, the OS displays the File downloaded from Internet dialog, this is ok, however, after that, when the user launches Install.app a similar dialog appears, the same goes for Cleanup.app and for RealApp.app, so we get 4 dialogs in total. So my question now is: Can I disable all but the warning when the disk image is opened? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 11 Dec 2008, at 13:52, Peter Blazejewicz wrote: hi Dave, that's not Safari unique feature. That's system-wide component. In your Xcode documentation window type file quarantine or navigate to GuidesSecuritySecurity OverviewSecurity Services #File Quarantine regards, Peter Blazejewicz On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Dave wrote: Hi All, I have an application that is downloaded from the web by Safari. When the user double-clicks on the .dmg file to open the a Warning Dialog is displayed. My question is, is there anyway of stopping the dialog from appearing? My boss doesn't like it and wants me to look into ways of getting rid of it, but I'm not sure where to start! Thanks in Advance, All the Best Dave Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Dave wrote: I've being experimenting since I wrote the above. My installation consists of a folder that contains an application. I want the folder to be created in /Applications, however, it doesn't seem to let me do this. I end up with just the .app file in /Applications, not a folder with the app inside it as I expected. So, how do I get it to create a folder that contains my app file? Why doesn't drag and drop work? Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). b.bum ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 15 Dec 2008, at 16:31, Bill Bumgarner wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Dave wrote: I've being experimenting since I wrote the above. My installation consists of a folder that contains an application. I want the folder to be created in /Applications, however, it doesn't seem to let me do this. I end up with just the .app file in / Applications, not a folder with the app inside it as I expected. So, how do I get it to create a folder that contains my app file? Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). No, it doesn't have to be in /Applications, but this is the recommended place to put it if you want it to be accessible to all users on the machine, isn't it? If not where does it get stored? That's where every other app is stored and it's where it has been stored up until now (using the AppleScript Installer) and I haven't had any problems reported of people not being able to access it, or are you saying it won't be accessible using a PackageMaker installer? Thanks a lot, All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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This is OT for the Cocoa list now, but you can set an EULA to be displayed when mounting a dmg. I don't know how since I've never cared to check but many apps do it so it's possible. You could just have the user drag the whole folder to the installation directory with an EULA being displayed when mounting the dmg. Many apps come on a dmg with a background image showing the user that they should drag the .app or folder to /Applications to install. Devon Dave wrote: On 15 Dec 2008, at 16:31, Bill Bumgarner wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Dave wrote: I've being experimenting since I wrote the above. My installation consists of a folder that contains an application. I want the folder to be created in /Applications, however, it doesn't seem to let me do this. I end up with just the .app file in /Applications, not a folder with the app inside it as I expected. So, how do I get it to create a folder that contains my app file? Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). No, it doesn't have to be in /Applications, but this is the recommended place to put it if you want it to be accessible to all users on the machine, isn't it? If not where does it get stored? That's where every other app is stored and it's where it has been stored up until now (using the AppleScript Installer) and I haven't had any problems reported of people not being able to access it, or are you saying it won't be accessible using a PackageMaker installer? Thanks a lot, All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/dferns%40devonferns.com This email sent to dfe...@devonferns.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 15/12/2008 17:06, Devon Ferns dfe...@devonferns.com wrote: This is OT for the Cocoa list now, but you can set an EULA to be displayed when mounting a dmg. I don't know how since I've never cared to check but many apps do it so it's possible. x-man-page://1/hdiutil Particularly the 'udifrez' command. Cheers, Graham. -- Graham Lee Senior Macintosh Software Engineer, Sophos Plc. +44 1235 540266 http://www.sophos.com/ Sophos Plc, The Pentagon, Abingdon Science Park, Abingdon, OX14 3YP, United Kingdom. Company Reg No 2096520. VAT Reg No GB 348 3873 20. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, I looked at the Man page below, I can't see anything that says udifrez. Is this meant for me? I'm not sure what I am supposed to do with it. All the Best Dave On 15 Dec 2008, at 17:14, Graham Lee wrote: On 15/12/2008 17:06, Devon Ferns dfe...@devonferns.com wrote: This is OT for the Cocoa list now, but you can set an EULA to be displayed when mounting a dmg. I don't know how since I've never cared to check but many apps do it so it's possible. x-man-page://1/hdiutil Particularly the 'udifrez' command. Cheers, Graham. -- Graham Lee Senior Macintosh Software Engineer, Sophos Plc. +44 1235 540266 http://www.sophos.com/ Sophos Plc, The Pentagon, Abingdon Science Park, Abingdon, OX14 3YP, United Kingdom. Company Reg No 2096520. VAT Reg No GB 348 3873 20. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/dave% 40looktowindward.com This email sent to d...@looktowindward.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 15 déc. 08, at 18:41, Dave wrote: Hi, I looked at the Man page below, I can't see anything that says udifrez. Is this meant for me? I'm not sure what I am supposed to do with it. All the Best Dave http://developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/hdiutil.1.html -- philippe___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 15 Dec 2008, at 16:53, Dave wrote: On 15 Dec 2008, at 16:31, Bill Bumgarner wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Dave wrote: I've being experimenting since I wrote the above. My installation consists of a folder that contains an application. I want the folder to be created in /Applications, however, it doesn't seem to let me do this. I end up with just the .app file in / Applications, not a folder with the app inside it as I expected. So, how do I get it to create a folder that contains my app file? Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). No, it doesn't have to be in /Applications, but this is the recommended place to put it if you want it to be accessible to all users on the machine, isn't it? If not where does it get stored? That's where every other app is stored and it's where it has been stored up until now (using the AppleScript Installer) and I haven't had any problems reported of people not being able to access it, or are you saying it won't be accessible using a PackageMaker installer? But consider a user who ISN'T an administrator, or who wants to the run/install the application just for themselves, not all people. They'd want to place your application somewhere else. e.g. ~/ Applications/ Drag and drop gives them the freedom to choose. (On a personal note, I like to test applications from within the DMG before installing if possible too). With a TC page, you could also make that part of your app and display it on the first launch. Mike. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Dave wrote: Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. As others have indicated, a TC page on mounting of the DMG is likely easier. Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). No, it doesn't have to be in /Applications, but this is the recommended place to put it if you want it to be accessible to all users on the machine, isn't it? If not where does it get stored? That's where every other app is stored and it's where it has been stored up until now (using the AppleScript Installer) and I haven't had any problems reported of people not being able to access it, or are you saying it won't be accessible using a PackageMaker installer? (This is actually on topic for Cocoa...) /Applications is fine if you want the application to be accessible to all users on the machine. The issues are: (1) Your application should not write any user-specific data anywhere within /Applications (including inside the .app wrapper obviously). That is, /Applications should be treated as read-only beyond initial installation (many advanced users -- myself included -- run with their primary account not having administrator rights.) (2) Non-administrative users would not be able to install your application, if it is required to be in /Applications (which it doesn't sound like it is). Drag-n-drop is easier for non-admin users to deal with. b.bum ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
Le 15 déc. 08 à 19:04, Bill Bumgarner a écrit : On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Dave wrote: Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. As others have indicated, a TC page on mounting of the DMG is likely easier. Just to give an pointer about this: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/developertools/conceptual/SoftwareDistribution/Containers/chapter_3_section_4.html ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On 15 Dec 2008, at 17:59, Mike Abdullah wrote: On 15 Dec 2008, at 16:53, Dave wrote: On 15 Dec 2008, at 16:31, Bill Bumgarner wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Dave wrote: I've being experimenting since I wrote the above. My installation consists of a folder that contains an application. I want the folder to be created in /Applications, however, it doesn't seem to let me do this. I end up with just the .app file in /Applications, not a folder with the app inside it as I expected. So, how do I get it to create a folder that contains my app file? Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). No, it doesn't have to be in /Applications, but this is the recommended place to put it if you want it to be accessible to all users on the machine, isn't it? If not where does it get stored? That's where every other app is stored and it's where it has been stored up until now (using the AppleScript Installer) and I haven't had any problems reported of people not being able to access it, or are you saying it won't be accessible using a PackageMaker installer? But consider a user who ISN'T an administrator, or who wants to the run/install the application just for themselves, not all people. They'd want to place your application somewhere else. e.g. ~/ Applications/ Drag and drop gives them the freedom to choose. (On a personal note, I like to test applications from within the DMG before installing if possible too). With a TC page, you could also make that part of your app and display it on the first launch. But that isn't the requirement, we just want it installed in / Applications and accessible to all users, that's it! All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On 15 Dec 2008, at 18:04, Bill Bumgarner wrote: On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Dave wrote: Why doesn't drag and drop work? AFAIK it does work, but my boss wants to be able to display a TC page etc. and he wants an installer. Also it isn't a straight forward .app file, it's an App file that is in a folder that also also contains other folders/files. As others have indicated, a TC page on mounting of the DMG is likely easier. Does your app *have* to be in /Applications? If so, that means all the users with non-admin accounts won't be able to install the app (and if you require read/write to anything in that folder, they can't use it either-- nor can multiple users on one machine). No, it doesn't have to be in /Applications, but this is the recommended place to put it if you want it to be accessible to all users on the machine, isn't it? If not where does it get stored? That's where every other app is stored and it's where it has been stored up until now (using the AppleScript Installer) and I haven't had any problems reported of people not being able to access it, or are you saying it won't be accessible using a PackageMaker installer? (This is actually on topic for Cocoa...) /Applications is fine if you want the application to be accessible to all users on the machine. The issues are: (1) Your application should not write any user-specific data anywhere within /Applications (including inside the .app wrapper obviously). That is, /Applications should be treated as read-only beyond initial installation (many advanced users -- myself included -- run with their primary account not having administrator rights.) It doesn't write any user specific data within /Applications, any files it does create and in the current users home folder, in a folder for the Application. (2) Non-administrative users would not be able to install your application, if it is required to be in /Applications (which it doesn't sound like it is). Drag-n-drop is easier for non-admin users to deal with. Only admin's are required to install the App. All the Best Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: Can I disable all but the warning when the disk image is opened? You're asking to disable a critical security feature. Note that on Internet-enabled DMGs containing a single .app, Safari will automatically extract the application and throw away the DMG. The fact that items retain their quarantine status when extracted from a quarantined volume is an important aspect of the security model. Why do you want to remove it? --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
Does your app actually require an installer? If so, use Apple's built- in installer application; don't roll your own with AppleScript. If an installer is not really needed, just provide the application on its own inside the DMG file. Users can drag and drop it to their preferred destination. On 12 Dec 2008, at 11:25, Dave wrote: Hi, Thanks for this. I have a little more information in the problem: The user downloads a ,dmg file, this image contains (among others) the following files: Install.app-- Installation AppleScript. Cleanup.app -- AppleScript that is run after the installation has completed, (ejects the image etc.) RealApp.app -- The Application that is being Installed. When the user attempts to mount the Image file, the OS displays the File downloaded from Internet dialog, this is ok, however, after that, when the user launches Install.app a similar dialog appears, the same goes for Cleanup.app and for RealApp.app, so we get 4 dialogs in total. So my question now is: Can I disable all but the warning when the disk image is opened? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 11 Dec 2008, at 13:52, Peter Blazejewicz wrote: hi Dave, that's not Safari unique feature. That's system-wide component. In your Xcode documentation window type file quarantine or navigate to GuidesSecuritySecurity OverviewSecurity Services #File Quarantine regards, Peter Blazejewicz On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Dave wrote: Hi All, I have an application that is downloaded from the web by Safari. When the user double-clicks on the .dmg file to open the a Warning Dialog is displayed. My question is, is there anyway of stopping the dialog from appearing? My boss doesn't like it and wants me to look into ways of getting rid of it, but I'm not sure where to start! Thanks in Advance, All the Best Dave Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoadev%40mikeabdullah.net This email sent to cocoa...@mikeabdullah.net ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More - Safari Download Security Alerts
On Dec 12, 2008, at 4:25 AM, Mike Abdullah wrote: Does your app actually require an installer? If so, use Apple's built-in installer application; don't roll your own with AppleScript. If an installer is not really needed, just provide the application on its own inside the DMG file. Users can drag and drop it to their preferred destination. Mike is right - don't roll your own installer - but for the record, if you want to bypass the warning for your real app after the user has accepted the warning in for your installer, look at the keys and constants in LaunchServices/LSQuarantine.h for what you can pass to LSSetItemAttribute() in LaunchServices. - jp smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
