Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
On Mar 31, 2010, at 7:23 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody is actually getting mad about any of this...yet. But, it is very annoying, sometimes critically so, when iPhone freaks are so possessed by whatever is taking place on their phones that they cause others to have to wait for answers to questions about jobs or will allow their phones to interrupt virtually anything related to the work at hand. Why don't you ask them your questions via their preferred mode of communication? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
There are very strong hints that a new iPhone will be released before the end of the year that will be Verizon compatible. Some reports are saying this will be in addition to ATT as a provider veruss a replacement. Some of this speculation comes from this WSJ article: MARCH 30, 2010 New iPhone Could End ATT's U.S. Monopoly By YUKARI IWATANI KANE, TING-I TSAI And NIRAJ SHETH Apple Inc. plans to begin producing this year a new iPhone that could allow U.S. phone carriers other than ATT Inc. to sell the iconic gadget, said people briefed by the company. The new iPhone would work on a type of wireless network called CDMA, these people said. CDMA is used by Verizon Wireless, ATT's main competitor, as well as Sprint Nextel Corp. and a handful of cellular operators in countries including South Korea and Japan. The vast majority of carriers world-wide, including ATT, use another technology called GSM. With Apple developing a phone with CDMA capability, its exclusive U.S. arrangement with ATT dating to 2007 appears set to end. Verizon Wireless, owned by Verizon Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group PLC, declined to comment. An ATT spokesman said: There has been lots of incorrect speculation on CDMA iPhones for a long time. We haven't seen one yet and only Apple knows when that might occur. Apple declined to comment. Separately, Apple plans to release a new version of its current iPhone this summer, continuing its practice of annual upgrades at about the same time of year, said people briefed on the matter. The model is likely to be thinner and have a faster processor, two people familiar with the device said. For ATT, the Apple relationship has been crucial, helping to make the carrier the U.S. leader in lucrative smart-phone market share. According to comScore Inc., ATT has over 43% of all U.S. smart-phone customers, compared with 23% for Verizon. These customers are especially attractive because they generally pay higher monthly rates for data plans. For several quarters, ATT's growth has come almost single-handedly from the iPhone. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the carrier said it activated 3.1 million new iPhones. In comparison, it counted only a net total of 2.7 million new subscribers as some customers moved from other phones to iPhones. You're not going to lose the iPhone [exclusivity] and make up growth somewhere else without bearing the cost, said Sanford C. Bernstein Co. research analyst Craig Moffett. The people briefed on the matter said the upgraded GSM iPhone is being made by Taiwanese contract manufacturer Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which produced Apple's previous iPhones. The CDMA iPhone model is being made by Pegatron Technology Corp., the contract manufacturing subsidiary of Taiwan's ASUSTeK Computer Inc., said these people. One person familiar with the situation said Pegatron is scheduled to start mass producing CDMA iPhones in September. Other people said, however, that the schedule could change and the phone may not be available to consumers immediately after production begins. Representatives of Pegatron and Hon Hai declined to comment. Verizon has publicly stated its interest in the iPhone, but people familiar with the situation said Apple originally decided against developing a phone for Verizon to keep its development process simple, since the technologies are incompatible. Verizon also is upgrading its network to a higher-speed technology, so Apple has said it believed CDMA was a short-term technology. Apple later changed its mind as it realized Verizon's upgrade would take longer than expected, said people familiar with the situation. Making the iPhone available through Verizon, which has over 91 million customers, as well as potentially other CDMA carriers could open up a significant new market. In 2009, iPhone sales globally rose 83% to 25.1 million, far outpacing the 20% to 25% growth in smart phones sales overall, according to Bernstein. But since Apple already dominates smart-phone sales through existing partners, sooner rather than later, Apple is going to have to look to find incremental distribution, said Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi. He estimates Verizon could help Apple nearly double the number of iPhone users in the U.S. ATT's relationship with Apple, a lucrative deal arranged by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, shows how such a partnership with other carriers could present challenges. Analysts estimate ATT pays Apple more than $600 per phone, but sells most of them for $199 or less. Heavy iPhone users have also put an enormous load on ATT's wireless network, pushing the carrier to a breaking point in some markets such as New York and San Francisco. Qualcomm Inc., which holds patent rights to CDMA, is the dominant designer of CDMA chips. Write to Yukari Iwatani Kane at yukari.iwat...@wsj.com and Niraj Sheth at niraj.sh...@wsj.com OK you have my curiosity piqued. Which Android phone do you have? It is time for me tog et a new phone and I
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:31 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why don't you ask them your questions via their preferred mode of communication? Not a chance. Do you actually think that it would be preferable for workers in close proximity to one another to use phones to communicate with one another as opposed to merely speaking to each other? That is the stuff of teenage lifestyles. Firstly, that would be terribly inefficient, much too slow and cumbersome. Secondly, any attendant response from them would merely be placed into a queue until such time as they finished up with whatever personal calls, text messages, games or Facebook updates they were involved in were completed. The grass roots peer pressure approach by annoyed coworkers seems to be gaining some traction, but from what I have been reading about this growing workplace problem, it may not succeed. Most workplaces are finding that the only solution is a nearly complete ban on personal communications devices. In other words, if folks are going to act like children, then treat them like children. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
I read this, but again it is a faint rumor. NO one has verified it, and these have been going for a bout a year. Stewart At 06:07 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: There are very strong hints that a new iPhone will be released before the end of the year that will be Verizon compatible. Some reports are saying this will be in addition to ATT as a provider veruss a replacement. Some of this speculation comes from this WSJ article: MARCH 30, 2010 New iPhone Could End ATT's U.S. Monopoly By YUKARI IWATANI KANE, TING-I TSAI And NIRAJ SHETH Apple Inc. plans to begin producing this year a new iPhone that could allow U.S. phone carriers other than ATT Inc. to sell the iconic gadget, said people briefed by the company. The new iPhone would work on a type of wireless network called CDMA, these people said. CDMA is used by Verizon Wireless, ATT's main competitor, as well as Sprint Nextel Corp. and a handful of cellular operators in countries including South Korea and Japan. The vast majority of carriers world-wide, including ATT, use another technology called GSM. With Apple developing a phone with CDMA capability, its exclusive U.S. arrangement with ATT dating to 2007 appears set to end. Verizon Wireless, owned by Verizon Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group PLC, declined to comment. An ATT spokesman said: There has been lots of incorrect speculation on CDMA iPhones for a long time. We haven't seen one yet and only Apple knows when that might occur. Apple declined to comment. Separately, Apple plans to release a new version of its current iPhone this summer, continuing its practice of annual upgrades at about the same time of year, said people briefed on the matter. The model is likely to be thinner and have a faster processor, two people familiar with the device said. For ATT, the Apple relationship has been crucial, helping to make the carrier the U.S. leader in lucrative smart-phone market share. According to comScore Inc., ATT has over 43% of all U.S. smart-phone customers, compared with 23% for Verizon. These customers are especially attractive because they generally pay higher monthly rates for data plans. For several quarters, ATT's growth has come almost single-handedly from the iPhone. In the fourth quarter of 2009, the carrier said it activated 3.1 million new iPhones. In comparison, it counted only a net total of 2.7 million new subscribers as some customers moved from other phones to iPhones. You're not going to lose the iPhone [exclusivity] and make up growth somewhere else without bearing the cost, said Sanford C. Bernstein Co. research analyst Craig Moffett. The people briefed on the matter said the upgraded GSM iPhone is being made by Taiwanese contract manufacturer Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which produced Apple's previous iPhones. The CDMA iPhone model is being made by Pegatron Technology Corp., the contract manufacturing subsidiary of Taiwan's ASUSTeK Computer Inc., said these people. One person familiar with the situation said Pegatron is scheduled to start mass producing CDMA iPhones in September. Other people said, however, that the schedule could change and the phone may not be available to consumers immediately after production begins. Representatives of Pegatron and Hon Hai declined to comment. Verizon has publicly stated its interest in the iPhone, but people familiar with the situation said Apple originally decided against developing a phone for Verizon to keep its development process simple, since the technologies are incompatible. Verizon also is upgrading its network to a higher-speed technology, so Apple has said it believed CDMA was a short-term technology. Apple later changed its mind as it realized Verizon's upgrade would take longer than expected, said people familiar with the situation. Making the iPhone available through Verizon, which has over 91 million customers, as well as potentially other CDMA carriers could open up a significant new market. In 2009, iPhone sales globally rose 83% to 25.1 million, far outpacing the 20% to 25% growth in smart phones sales overall, according to Bernstein. But since Apple already dominates smart-phone sales through existing partners, sooner rather than later, Apple is going to have to look to find incremental distribution, said Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi. He estimates Verizon could help Apple nearly double the number of iPhone users in the U.S. ATT's relationship with Apple, a lucrative deal arranged by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, shows how such a partnership with other carriers could present challenges. Analysts estimate ATT pays Apple more than $600 per phone, but sells most of them for $199 or less. Heavy iPhone users have also put an enormous load on ATT's wireless network, pushing the carrier to a breaking point in some markets such as New York and San Francisco. Qualcomm Inc., which holds patent rights to CDMA, is the dominant designer of CDMA chips. Write to Yukari Iwatani Kane at
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net: I read this, but again it is a faint rumor. NO one has verified it, and these have been going for a bout a year. I was also struck by the lack of actual sources. It's always people briefed by the company or variations there of. Did wonders for Apple's stock price though. It hit all time highs this week. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Runs Out of iPads
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/04/01/neat-complete-list-positives-negatives-ipad-handson-reviews/ A fairly concise list of pos/negs found in major reviews of the ipad from the mac fan bois set of reviewers. Most aspects seem to cover what was already covered here. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:51 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/26/npd.notes.ipad.appealing.first.to.apple.devotees/ *Just over half of younger, prospective iPad buyers would rather have a netbook or notebook than the Apple tablet, the NPDhttp://macnn.com/rd/156677==http://npd.com/found in a new study. Among 18-to-34 year olds, 51 percent would prefer a conventional portable than the iPad. Owning an existing Apple device also wasn't enough to sway some users as 44 percent still would rather get a computer like the MacBook than the slate design.* On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple hopes to sell 8-10 million iPads this calendar year: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/29/apple_to_build_8_10m_ipads _in_2010_begins_shipping_preorders.htmlhttp://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/29/apple_to_build_8_10m_ipads%0A_in_2010_begins_shipping_preorders.html Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I'm still trying to figure out who said nobody would want one. Everyone knows the apple sheeple ordered two the moment pre orders were put up. On Mar 29, 2010 6:06 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.computerworld.com... What they sold the dozen that they made? Somewhere I heard running out would be a good strategy for Apple. I hope this is just real demand and not Wii-like availability manipulation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] domain value
On Mar 31, 2010, at 2:40 PM, gerald slawecki wrote: i own a domain site ppiusa.com, that i no longer use. someone seems to be interested in purchasing it, and has asked how much i want for it. how do i go about determining value? anyone have a feeling for value? i did not consider it to be a particularly special domain. i missed ppi.com by only a couple of months, and quit paying on ppiusa.net, and a bunch of others that i had registered that were named photoframe.XX or pictureframe.xx Interesting problem. Anything over what you paid to registrars plus the time it will take you to transfer it will be pure profit to you. So you don't have to get that much to be ahead. If you insist that you have to squeeze every last penny out of the deal, you will assuredly end up unhappy no matter what you get. The idea that you could have got $1 more will gnaw at you. If you ask for too much they will walk and you get nothing. Do you know anything about the buyer. Will this be a commercial website? A rich non-profit? A poor non-profit? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replacement large format scanner
I have been using DC Freecycle to get rid of surplus stuff. So far I have always gotten several takers within 10 minutes of posting and pick up within a few hours. This saves me the trouble of getting rid of the junk and eliminates the unhappiness of discarding something that is still useful. It also makes others happy. On Mar 30, 2010, at 9:34 AM, gerald slawecki wrote: i have a working 13 x 19 heidelberg scanner in the basement that is no longer in service. it is huge and heavy. i have no use for it if someone wants it. wash dc area. i think it is about 10-15 years old. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Runs Out of iPads
On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:45 AM, mike wrote: A fairly concise list of pos/negs found in major reviews of the ipad from the mac fan bois set of reviewers. Most aspects seem to cover what was already covered here Can't trust those folks at PC Magazine. They are always running down PCs and boosting everything Apple... sure they are. Pogue did the most sensible thing, he went bi-polar on us: he wrote one review for techies and one for non-techies. He starts off with a test of which one to read... Read the first one if you’re a techie. (How do you know? Take this simple test. Do you use BitTorrent? Do you run Linux? Do you have more e-mail addresses than pants? You’re a techie.) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/technology/personaltech/01pogue.html?src=mv * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
On Apr 1, 2010, at 7:07 AM, MrMike6by9 wrote: There are very strong hints that a new iPhone will be released before the end of the year that will be Verizon compatible. We all know that someday this will happen. It is about as informed as predicting a sunrise. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
On Apr 1, 2010, at 7:23 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Not a chance. Do you actually think that it would be preferable for workers in close proximity to one another to use phones to communicate with one another as opposed to merely speaking to each other? That is the stuff of teenage lifestyles I have been sending emails to people who sit right next to me for over 20 years. It is effective and considerate. I'm not barging in with a demand that my question come first. It lets them queue me up and reply as appropriate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. Stewart At 10:23 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: We all know that someday this will happen. It is about as informed as predicting a sunrise. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replacement large format scanner
Craig's List works well for me - and in a broad range of discard --- On Wed, 3/31/10, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replacement large format scanner To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:14 PM I have been using DC Freecycle to get rid of surplus stuff. So far I have always gotten several takers within 10 minutes of posting and pick up within a few hours. This saves me the trouble of getting rid of the junk and eliminates the unhappiness of discarding something that is still useful. It also makes others happy. On Mar 30, 2010, at 9:34 AM, gerald slawecki wrote: i have a working 13 x 19 heidelberg scanner in the basement that is no longer in service. it is huge and heavy. i have no use for it if someone wants it. wash dc area. i think it is about 10-15 years old. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
I like email as it gives me a paper trail, and for those of us over 50, it is a memory!! I can look back at an email and see what was asked. I can then check my out box and see if I wrote them back. Helps a lot. Stewart At 10:26 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: I have been sending emails to people who sit right next to me for over 20 years. It is effective and considerate. I'm not barging in with a demand that my question come first. It lets them queue me up and reply as appropriate. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
Two things: first, as has already been pointed out, email creates a record and can act as a reminder. Productivity experts generally recommend the use of emails over verbal requests. Knowing that there is an electronic record that can be forwarded to the boss is a big incentive to taking timely action on requests. Second, you were complaining that people were wasting their productivity using their smart phones. To a certain extent, they are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. Getting work related emails on those same phones interferes with that cycle, making it easier to break out of it. Of course, the other peer pressure tactics should continue as well. And sending an email is inefficient and cumbersome? No, sending an email is incredibly easy. And it's terribly inefficient for someone to walk up to me with a non-urgent request of some kind when I am working against deadline on a project. Managed properly, email is a tremendous productivity booster. On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:21 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:31 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why don't you ask them your questions via their preferred mode of communication? Not a chance. Do you actually think that it would be preferable for workers in close proximity to one another to use phones to communicate with one another as opposed to merely speaking to each other? That is the stuff of teenage lifestyles. Firstly, that would be terribly inefficient, much too slow and cumbersome. Secondly, any attendant response from them would merely be placed into a queue until such time as they finished up with whatever personal calls, text messages, games or Facebook updates they were involved in were completed. The grass roots peer pressure approach by annoyed coworkers seems to be gaining some traction, but from what I have been reading about this growing workplace problem, it may not succeed. Most workplaces are finding that the only solution is a nearly complete ban on personal communications devices. In other words, if folks are going to act like children, then treat them like children. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Runs Out of iPads
I got a kick from this item on the article Mike linked to: Typing accurately and quickly on the iPad’s wide on-screen keyboard was ** perectly ** comfortable and fast. [emphasis mine] I guess the review wasn't typed on an iPad then. Here is another review roundup http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36133799/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ Generally speaking the reviews are quite positive. From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Apple Runs Out of iPads On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:45 AM, mike wrote: A fairly concise list of pos/negs found in major reviews of the ipad from the mac fan bois set of reviewers. Most aspects seem to cover what was already covered here Can't trust those folks at PC Magazine. They are always running down PCs and boosting everything Apple... sure they are. Pogue did the most sensible thing, he went bi-polar on us: he wrote one review for techies and one for non-techies. He starts off with a test of which one to read... Read the first one if you‚re a techie. (How do you know? Take this simple test. Do you use BitTorrent? Do you run Linux? Do you have more e-mail addresses than pants? You‚re a techie.) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/technology/personaltech/01pogue.html?src=mv * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
You changed the parameters to make your point. Steve didn't mention email...he was talking facebook, twitter..sms and games. Do the experts recommend putting requests for jobs up on facebook? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: Two things: first, as has already been pointed out, email creates a record and can act as a reminder. Productivity experts generally recommend the use of emails over verbal requests. Knowing that there is an electronic record that can be forwarded to the boss is a big incentive to taking timely action on requests. Second, you were complaining that people were wasting their productivity using their smart phones. To a certain extent, they are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. Getting work related emails on those same phones interferes with that cycle, making it easier to break out of it. Of course, the other peer pressure tactics should continue as well. And sending an email is inefficient and cumbersome? No, sending an email is incredibly easy. And it's terribly inefficient for someone to walk up to me with a non-urgent request of some kind when I am working against deadline on a project. Managed properly, email is a tremendous productivity booster. On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:21 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:31 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why don't you ask them your questions via their preferred mode of communication? Not a chance. Do you actually think that it would be preferable for workers in close proximity to one another to use phones to communicate with one another as opposed to merely speaking to each other? That is the stuff of teenage lifestyles. Firstly, that would be terribly inefficient, much too slow and cumbersome. Secondly, any attendant response from them would merely be placed into a queue until such time as they finished up with whatever personal calls, text messages, games or Facebook updates they were involved in were completed. The grass roots peer pressure approach by annoyed coworkers seems to be gaining some traction, but from what I have been reading about this growing workplace problem, it may not succeed. Most workplaces are finding that the only solution is a nearly complete ban on personal communications devices. In other words, if folks are going to act like children, then treat them like children. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
No he is the atypical multitasker they were talking about on the TV and radio the other day. Not sure I would want to be close to him on the highway. Stewart At 12:25 PM 4/1/2010, you wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world...]
I read this, but again it is a faint rumor. NO one has verified it, and these have been going for a bout a year. A CDMA iPhone makes a lot of sense, but not necessarily because of Verizon. Both Japan and Korea also have CDMA service. The CDMA iPhone might appear in Japan first. However, since young Japanese tech consumers have short attention spans [they like the newest, latest, greatest] and aren't particularly loyal to one mfg., Japan could be a test market before Verizon gets an Apple product. Or not... New product or April fools? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:25:31 -0400, David K Watson wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. I know the ATT commercials show people talking and surfing in tandem, but do the iPhone commercials? I don't think I've ever seen an ATT commercial where any one is using an iPhone. Kind of odd, IMO. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
Not really..ATT knows Apple is dumping money into advertising so why should they? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:25:31 -0400, David K Watson wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. I know the ATT commercials show people talking and surfing in tandem, but do the iPhone commercials? I don't think I've ever seen an ATT commercial where any one is using an iPhone. Kind of odd, IMO. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
He might use his green lasers to fry you. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: No he is the atypical multitasker they were talking about on the TV and radio the other day. Not sure I would want to be close to him on the highway. Stewart At 12:25 PM 4/1/2010, you wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
I have an IPAQ 3635 from 2001 that already multitasks many apps with PocketPC2002 and can take a cellphone card. I have a Motosurf a3100 wm6.1 fone that will run numerous tasks while talking, gps'ing, and wifi'ing and bluetooth'ing and whatever all at the same time. What is the big deal about that? -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
Well, if he has his ipad with him and has an accident, he can't take a picture with it !! -Original Message- From: Stewart Marshall [mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems No he is the atypical multitasker they were talking about on the TV and radio the other day. Not sure I would want to be close to him on the highway. Stewart At 12:25 PM 4/1/2010, you wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Runs Out of iPads
I think they musta run outa the ipads cuz they are saving the parts for verII which will have a camera and maybe a handle to keep from dropping it and maybe a battery you can replace ...d'oh!! -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Apple Runs Out of iPads I got a kick from this item on the article Mike linked to: Typing accurately and quickly on the iPad's wide on-screen keyboard was ** perectly ** comfortable and fast. [emphasis mine] I guess the review wasn't typed on an iPad then. Here is another review roundup http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36133799/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gad gets/ Generally speaking the reviews are quite positive. From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Apple Runs Out of iPads On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:45 AM, mike wrote: A fairly concise list of pos/negs found in major reviews of the ipad from the mac fan bois set of reviewers. Most aspects seem to cover what was already covered here Can't trust those folks at PC Magazine. They are always running down PCs and boosting everything Apple... sure they are. Pogue did the most sensible thing, he went bi-polar on us: he wrote one review for techies and one for non-techies. He starts off with a test of which one to read... Read the first one if you,re a techie. (How do you know? Take this simple test. Do you use BitTorrent? Do you run Linux? Do you have more e-mail addresses than pants? You,re a techie.) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/technology/personaltech/01pogue.html?src=m v * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
No, I haven't changed the parameters, you are artificially limiting them. Anyone who does a substantial fraction of those activities will have their email running as well, and will compulsively check emails as they come in. You, for example (quoting from an old post of yours): In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. Of course, I don't think that you were working at that time, but same idea. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing You changed the parameters to make your point. Steve didn't mention email...he was talking facebook, twitter..sms and games. Do the experts recommend putting requests for jobs up on facebook? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: Two things: first, as has already been pointed out, email creates a record and can act as a reminder. Productivity experts generally recommend the use of emails over verbal requests. Knowing that there is an electronic record that can be forwarded to the boss is a big incentive to taking timely action on requests. Second, you were complaining that people were wasting their productivity using their smart phones. To a certain extent, they are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. Getting work related emails on those same phones interferes with that cycle, making it easier to break out of it. Of course, the other peer pressure tactics should continue as well. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
To save battery life, Apple decided that only approved (their) apps can multitask. Like playing music while surfing. Other apps you download close down when you try and switch to a new app...looking at the iphone's speed, depending on what you do, this might not matter. If you are on social networking sites a lot, it might matter because it closes you connection everything you switch away from that AIM app you are using or the IRC app etc. No one wants to reconnect just because they wanted to check their email. The new windows 7 phones apparently try and solve some of this by saving states of open programs when you switch to another program. We shall see. Android just multitasks...which can present the problem of having *too* many open programs running and slowing the device down. I haven't run into that, I have found that having several open apps runs faster than when I quit the apps and reopen them later. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: I have an IPAQ 3635 from 2001 that already multitasks many apps with PocketPC2002 and can take a cellphone card. I have a Motosurf a3100 wm6.1 fone that will run numerous tasks while talking, gps'ing, and wifi'ing and bluetooth'ing and whatever all at the same time. What is the big deal about that? -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
Uh...yeah you did...he never mentioned email as a problem. The specific problems he mentioned were ignored and never addressed. You switched the topic to email. You didn't answer either, do you or your supervisors post work material on facebook to get things done faster? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:39 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: No, I haven't changed the parameters, you are artificially limiting them. Anyone who does a substantial fraction of those activities will have their email running as well, and will compulsively check emails as they come in. You, for example (quoting from an old post of yours): In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. Of course, I don't think that you were working at that time, but same idea. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing You changed the parameters to make your point. Steve didn't mention email...he was talking facebook, twitter..sms and games. Do the experts recommend putting requests for jobs up on facebook? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: Two things: first, as has already been pointed out, email creates a record and can act as a reminder. Productivity experts generally recommend the use of emails over verbal requests. Knowing that there is an electronic record that can be forwarded to the boss is a big incentive to taking timely action on requests. Second, you were complaining that people were wasting their productivity using their smart phones. To a certain extent, they are trapped in a self-reinforcing cycle. Getting work related emails on those same phones interferes with that cycle, making it easier to break out of it. Of course, the other peer pressure tactics should continue as well. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Yah, when I bought my cell phone I walked out of the store with it in it's shiny new box, I made it out to my car and took the box from the bag to open my new dandy cell phone and from the door to my car a sticker had been placed...'outdated'...dammit. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
gear extinction is currently measured in picoseconds, rev ...get with the program ...everything is REVved up!! ;^) -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:35 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart At 02:46 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: gear extinction is currently measured in picoseconds, rev ...get with the program ...everything is REVved up!! ;^) -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:35 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in € if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
I was talking about these commercials: http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/ Which do show users finding a restaurant, ordering flowers, etc. while talking. I haven't seen ATT explicitly selling iPhones, except for banner ads at their stores. This is probably a strategy that they coordinated with Apple, who after all has an even greater stake in selling the iPhones than ATT has, and likes to go to great lengths to protect its image. And ATT does sell the iPhone indirectly, as in the parody of the Folgers Coffee Crystals ads (We've secretly replaced these diners' ATT smart phones with Verizon's smart phones. Let's see what happens.), where for example subjects of the experiment angrily ask Where are all my apps? and Where is my cool phone?. And in the other restaurant commercial where Luke Wilson helps a dad in the next booth to calm his upset kid by lending him a phone showing a movie Luke just downloaded, I don't know what the phone is that is actually used (no manufacturer branding on it, it's probably a mock-up of a generic touchscreen), but it could certainly be mistaken for an iPhone. On Apr 1, 2010, at 2:47 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:katan ka...@his.com Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:25:31 -0400, David K Watson wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. I know the ATT commercials show people talking and surfing in tandem, but do the iPhone commercials? I don't think I've ever seen an ATT commercial where any one is using an iPhone. Kind of odd, IMO. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
6.66€ ...is that good? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:27 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in € if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Add about at least 4 zeroes. Stewart At 04:49 PM 4/1/2010, you wrote: 6.66 ...is that good? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:27 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
Woz solves 2ifone problems for me from the getgo ...no battery change, no handle to keep from dropping it on the tarmac ...done deal !! -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems I was talking about these commercials: http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/ Which do show users finding a restaurant, ordering flowers, etc. while talking. I haven't seen ATT explicitly selling iPhones, except for banner ads at their stores. This is probably a strategy that they coordinated with Apple, who after all has an even greater stake in selling the iPhones than ATT has, and likes to go to great lengths to protect its image. And ATT does sell the iPhone indirectly, as in the parody of the Folgers Coffee Crystals ads (We've secretly replaced these diners' ATT smart phones with Verizon's smart phones. Let's see what happens.), where for example subjects of the experiment angrily ask Where are all my apps? and Where is my cool phone?. And in the other restaurant commercial where Luke Wilson helps a dad in the next booth to calm his upset kid by lending him a phone showing a movie Luke just downloaded, I don't know what the phone is that is actually used (no manufacturer branding on it, it's probably a mock-up of a generic touchscreen), but it could certainly be mistaken for an iPhone. On Apr 1, 2010, at 2:47 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:katan ka...@his.com Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:25:31 -0400, David K Watson wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. I know the ATT commercials show people talking and surfing in tandem, but do the iPhone commercials? I don't think I've ever seen an ATT commercial where any one is using an iPhone. Kind of odd, IMO. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: I have been sending emails to people who sit right next to me for over 20 years. It is effective and considerate. I'm not barging in with a demand that my question come first. It lets them queue me up and reply as appropriate. Fine. My work environment almost always requires face-to-face and hands-on discussions of issues directly related to work being done. We deal with tangible things that you can pick up and look at and touch and feel. We do not sit or work in cubicles. Our work does not exist in the ether or on hard drives or other media. No one barges in where I work either. We mostly share one big work area, undivided by walls and devoid of doors or other entryways. When you have a question to pose, you approach the other person, and if that person is not too busy updating their Facebook page or text messaging her boyfriend for the seventh time that morning, you can usually get a prompt audience. Connecting with others as you often do in your workplace would just be silly and a waste of time in my workplace. There are actually things that are best taken care of the old fashioned analog way with eyeball-to-eyeball, human being direct to another human being without going through a digital filter or conduit. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
FACE TO FACE?? Egad! On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: No one barges in where I work either. We mostly share one big work area, undivided by walls and devoid of doors or other entryways. When you have a question to pose, you approach the other person, and if that person is not too busy updating their Facebook page or text messaging her boyfriend for the seventh time that morning, you can usually get a prompt audience. Connecting with others as you often do in your workplace would just be silly and a waste of time in my workplace. There are actually things that are best taken care of the old fashioned analog way with eyeball-to-eyeball, human being direct to another human being without going through a digital filter or conduit. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] iPad first looks appearing
The embargos dropped last night and the first real reviews are appearing now. I just listened to Andy Inahkos Mac break Weekly special from last night. He really likes it. No big surprise but there is 1:15 worth of discussion on a video. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/31/andy-ihnatko-ipad-is-pure-innovation-one-of-best-computers-e/ -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: FACE TO FACE?? Egad! I know! Very scary and downright antiquarian these days. Look at grocery stores. Increasingly, they want us to use their digital checkout systems as opposed to actually wanting to give a person a job as a cashier. I will avoid those job killing devices any time I can. Anyway, you will never be able to establish any kind of relationship with the digital checkout device at your local market. So, the next time that you may have forgotten to take quite enough money to the store for those purchases, try getting a small loan from that damn machine as opposed to being able to ask the real live cashier who you have gotten to know over time if he or she can loan you a couple of bucks until your next visit to the store. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
On Apr 1, 2010, at 9:30 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Look at grocery stores. Increasingly, they want us to use their digital checkout systems as opposed to actually wanting to give a person a job as a cashier. I will avoid those job killing devices any time I can. I was getting a bit miffed by all the robocalls I was getting from Verizon about transferring service to my new office, but two days after the transfer the last call I got was from the installer himself asking if everything was alright. That made me feel a whole lot better. And yes, everything was alright. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
Um … no I didn't. And yes, Steve did say that email was a problem. Here, I've done the work for you to find the relevant quote of his post that started this part of the thread: It has gotten to the point where the iPhone addicts are now trying to find ways to avoid being detected by coworkers as they read and write e-mails, check Facebook accounts or otherwise cause production logjams because of their addiction problems. So, email *is* part of the problem, according to Steve. And I said it should be part of a solution. If you go back, you'll see that I wasn't the first to say this. Here's the discussion (abridged and sometimes paraphrased): Steve: Those darn kids and their iPhones, emailin' and facebookin' and twitterin' and whatnot, wastin' their time and mine. (Real quote above, and plainly he wasn't really being so curmudgeonly). Tom: Why don't you ask them your questions via their preferred mode of communication? (Actual quote, and he probably means email, considering his next post. Certainly that's what I took him to mean.) Steve: (Likely misunderstanding Tom to be referring to phone calls.) Not a chance. Do you actually think that it would be preferable for workers in close proximity to one another to use phones to communicate with one another as opposed to merely speaking to each other? (Actual quote.) Tom: (Clarifying) I have been sending emails to people who sit right next to me for over 20 years. It is effective and considerate. I'm not barging in… (etc., actual quote.) Stewart: Yes, and email is useful for reminders as well. Me (David): What he said! And the email is right there on the very thing (smart phone) that is distracting them and so is particularly effective at bringing them back to task. You (Mike): You changed the subject to email! Steve never mentioned email! Me: I didn't change the subject. You: You did. Which brings us to now, with me saying I didn't again, and backing it up. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing Uh...yeah you did...he never mentioned email as a problem. The specific problems he mentioned were ignored and never addressed. You switched the topic to email. You didn't answer either, do you or your supervisors post work material on facebook to get things done faster? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:39 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: No, I haven't changed the parameters, you are artificially limiting them. Anyone who does a substantial fraction of those activities will have their email running as well, and will compulsively check emails as they come in. You, for example (quoting from an old post of yours): In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email where I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. Of course, I don't think that you were working at that time, but same idea. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing You changed the parameters to make your point. Steve didn't mention email...he was talking facebook, twitter..sms and games. Do the experts recommend putting requests for jobs up on facebook? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Wow, Apple is kicking Flash off the Web
...and is not wasting any time about it. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/01/apple_highlights_ipad_ready_adobe_flash_free_web_sites.html Since most Flash on websites is superfluous and annoying, in addition to being slow and a memory hog, I welcome the change. Few things are more annoying on web sites than web links that don't work the way I want them to--ex: I like to open links in a new tab or window while preserving the original page. Can't do that in Flash. Can't extract web links from Flash pages either. Good riddance. Why isn't Adobe rewriting Flash to be more web and user friendly? Don't they want to preserve their market share? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing
This smart phone thing is getting competitive. Verizon has just announced that it is dropping the prices on it's Palm offerings (sure enough I can now get a Palm Pre for free.) Plus they are dropping the added charge for using it as a WIFI hotspot (on it's 3g network, was an added $40 a month)) So these choices are getting harder. The free wifi hotspot would be great for traveling. My wife could use it to check her email while traveling, no need for a separate data plan for a computer. Too many choices Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
