Re: [CGUYS] Wither the newsmag?
Actually i wrote that in response to John Duncan's response to you. Sent from my iPod On May 31, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Do you say that because of how badly Fox news does in the ratings? Of course not. I don't believe what I wrote is true, but to be consistent with the World According to Tom, that must be why that situation is what it is. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wither the newsmag?
Yes...evil MS IT killed newspapersthat is why David Simon is so disenchanted with print journalists, the evil MS empire of IT...or the evil IT empire of MS or something. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:29 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On May 31, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I don't believe what I wrote is true My point exactly. On the other hand, what I write is true. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple iPhone/iPod touch app acceptance chart
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1151real.jpg It's actually a lot less complex then I imagined. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] External cases
If it does, it would be 2.4gbits per second. I haven't seen any real world speed tests of USB3..have you? On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:58 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: SATA=Serial ATA (PATA is parallel). The new version of SATA has been ratified at 6 gigabits/second (gbs)as well; no reason to wait for USB3. The new SAS (serial SCSI) is also 6 gbs. How is USB faster? It's not faster. In real-time, USB gives less than half the reported speeds. Can you hot swap eSATA drives? Or do you need to use additional software? Special enclosures? Windows only? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vista sp2 install - ok so far
An HOUR to install it? WOW. Took less then that when I installed vista originally. I thought I got a bad update yesterday when I installed updates for win 7. After installing I rebooted and the machine would barely POST. Turned out my PSU had gone bad. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andy Gallant a...@agallant.com wrote: Just one anecdote FYI. I have Vista Home Premium, fully updated as of yesterday (pre SP2) on a year old Toshiba laptop with Norton 360 (not a factor, as it turned out). This morning, Windows Update said that Vista SP2 was available. I backed up everything and worked on the Mac during the update. The download was 348 MB, which took quite a while. A notice said that installing SP2 could take an hour or more. In fact, it took about an hour from then, all told, until I could use the machine again. The overall experience was bearable. So far so good - YMMV. -Andy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Paul Cannon pecan...@bellatlantic.netwrote: The least expensive new Mac Mini I saw was 599$ on apple's site. That is an extra 300$ not 100 or 150. I could purchase an additional machine for that price. I won't argue that OS X is better than Fedora. I would like to try out OS X. I only plan on using it for Firefox, email, media stuff (vlc for watching occasional dvd's). There are several yum repositories of software so I am not sure what application software you are talking about. As for tech support, I will probably look at log files or just turn to google for a solution. I did not find the review where it arrived in various broken parts. I did see the review where even though the atom 270s support cpu scaling in linux it seems the 330 doesn't have support for it I've tried a few different distros and am currently run debian lenny. None of them seem to be support cpu scaling for this processor. This concerns me - he noted it still works but will have to wait for better linux support. From the specs I saw on Apple's site, the Mac Mini has a better cpu and video capabilities, but would only come with a 1G of memory and only 120Gb of storage compared to 1 terabyte. There were options to increase the cpu/ram/drive - of course that would increase the price. The largest drive from Apple was listed as 320GB and was an additional 175$. A Mac mini with upgrades (cpu/ram/hard drive) was over a 1000$. I could get 3 machines for that - stop tempting me. So probably if I wanted to get more memory and larger drives it is better to shop elsewhere for Mac accessories. The Applecare protection plan is 149$ and all the software I saw (filemaker, logic express, aperture, final cut, Iwork) had a price tag. Is this for pre-installation only or does Apple supply the media and let users install it for free? If I were to get a Mac, I would probably get a iMac and dream about a Mac Pro. Those cinema displays are also very beautiful. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:31:43PM -0400, t.piwowar wrote: Or for $100 to $150 more I can get a Mac Mini which also comes with a better OS. application software, and strong tech support. I would get the Nettop for entertainment/tinkering, but not if I wanted a useful computer. Note the buyers comments that speak positively about the box, but then mention that it arrived with various broken parts. On May 26, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: so for 149$ plus 90$ for 1 terabyte hard drive plus another 25$ for 2G ram plus another 25$ for a DVD burner so for around 300$ can get a dual core Linux system to tinker with. I already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse so I won't have to buy those. Granted, I won't be doing any graphic editing or heavy graphical game playing on it. Otherwise, I think I might order this setup and try Fedora 11 on it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista SP2 is out
The SP is the combo. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:25 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx SP1 is required. I had Mac OS X, 10.5.3 on one of my computers. I downloaded a combo update that contained all of the updates from 10.5.4 to 10.5.7 and installed them in one package. Does Microsoft offer combo updates for Windows? Can I go directly from Vista [Business], no SP, to SP2 with a combo? Or do the service packs have to be installed separately? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
I'm aware of TCO...but in this case she was asking for a 350 dollar choice and the only one she got from the mac fan crowd was 1000 to 1800. Truly, there are cases when a mac is NOT the choice, and cases where a mac is the choice. It's just that some here think mac is the only choice no matter what the cost or need. An imac with THREE internal HD's? How does HP limit the size of a USB drive? That makes no sense. What compaq was this that was built in 2007 that has an internal drive limit of 80 gigs? I'd like to know just so I stay away from that one... On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:29 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: You'll never be a good MFB if you start worrying about cost. Being a good MFB is like joining scientology, you never worry about the high price of being pure. As expressed in another thread, the very idea of going into a computer store with a budget is not towing the line for Steve Jobs. Think Steve, Think Different...Think Pure. Not so. The reality is exactly the opposite. Mac users are extremely aware of cost especially TCO. In January, I replaced my 2000 PowerMac G4 with a new iMac; it had a 1.6GHz processor, 3 internal HD, DVD burner, AGP video card, 3 PCI slots, filled, 2GB RAM. In the same time we replaced 3 PCs because they couldn't be updated any more. I called HP to find out what's the maximum size of HD in an HP notebook [2008] and a Compaq notebook [2007]. HP limit is 250GB, Compaq is 80GB. I can put a 500GB drive in the MacBook, with no limit for external drive except price. Limit for HP external drive [USB only] is 500GB. I'll be recycling the 1.6GHz processor from the G4, installing it into a Quicksilver G4. My PM 7600 still runs and is used for audio editing. The Mac SE still works, but isn't much good for anything, except curiosity. In the long run, Macs are much cheaper than Windows PCs. They're built to last, built to be upgraded over a long time, and the software is written to last longer, too. AppleWorks, discontinued in 2003, still runs fine on my iMac in Leopard. I finally broke down and upgraded Photoshop from v.7 to a newer version, only because it's too old to work in 10.5.6. If you only look at the initial cost, Macs may appear to be more expensive, while in reality, the Macs are much less expensive in the long run for the average user. Those who build their own PC boxes can take advantage of multiple choices, multiple upgrades, but rarely does the general consumer do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Was browsing newegg and this piqued my interest
We are all in the distortion, if you believe you are not, that's where your problems begin. If you can't have fun with that, then what is the point? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: I was just having fun, responding in-kind to a silly post (keying on the pseudo-religious reference). Was and am calm; still chuckling, too. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Mark--You're getting drawn into the WFB reality distortion. Calm down. Macs are cheaper than PCs [TCO]. Don't be confused by comparisons with cults and scientology when the facts are in your favor. Mac owners are the ones with budgets that are written with long-term planning included. -- da bomb WFBs must join Redmond and never deviate from (nor become unlicen$ed from) the Official Word, always ignoring any inconvenient facts or expertise to restate all dogma from the supreme leader, $teve Ballmer, or in His absence, the Almighty Bill Gate$ while awaiting the Glorious Day when all other operating systems will be $mighted, and the truly licen$ed will live in eternal, $acred Bli$$! Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
I think the reason someone called you an Apple-head is because within the question the she specifically said an air was too expensive, she wanted a netbook. Your answer was to ignore what she wanted and her price range and tell her to...get an Air. We've been here before, for some of us price actually is an issue. The mac lovers on this list can't seem to understand that some of the other users have budgets and cost is an important factor. I feel often as if I'm asking for advice on buying a nice family car only from those who buy jaguars and bmws. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:33 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The *netbook* is a niche product Accordingly, some posters have theorized that there are some netbooks out there that are not crap. They also quoted prices for such non-crappy netbooks that were close to the price of the MBA. Yeah. That was Betty. An Apple-head. I'm not an Apple head, not even a MacHead. Silly. I use the best tool I can afford for the job--any platform. I use whatever works best, has the fewest problems, needs least tech support. Or I use whatever is given to me free. The MBA is a lightweight notebook [3 lb] that weighs less than the ASUS Eee 1000HE [3.25 lb], around the same as the HP Mini Note [depending on configuration], same as MSI Wind. Yes, you can have a lightweight computer that runs plenty of full versions of software without choking, and the screen/resolution is easy on the eyes too. Unfortunately it won't fit in my cargo pocket so it's not for me. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
It is silly of me to advise a sub 500 dollar computer when asked, obviously i should have told her she was too ignorant to know what she wanted and told her to buy a MBA. You are correct again, Tom. Apologies for my ignorance. Sent from my iPod On May 26, 2009, at 7:07 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On May 26, 2009, at 9:25 PM, mike wrote: I feel often as if I'm asking for advice on buying a nice family car only from those who buy jaguars and bmws. You keep beating the drum for that tired old M$ Laptop Hunters propaganda. As previously posted... Refurbished MacBook Air 1.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 13.3-inch glossy widescreen display2GB memory 80GB 4200-rpm PATA hard drive Built-in 802.11n Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR Built-in iSight Camera $999.00 http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB003LL/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw Even cheepo Lauren could have bought this one. So Woot was selling eeePCs for $159, but that would be like setting $159 afire. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How many Mb of internet
iStat nano should do what you need, only caveat is that I believe it resets on restarts. Put you mac to sleep and it should keep counting. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: On the Mac, is there a way to see how much internet I am getting? Or is there a tool or program I can download? I'm thinking of getting one of the wireless devices from Verizon so I can have internet on the road and I want to see if I can get by with a 250Mb limit. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
Well see...the problem is, Tom *hates* anything not Apple...so the ultra portable niche product stripped of anything unnecessary that does not say Apple is a waste of hardware...stick that happy mac logo on it and indeed it's a perfect machine. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com: I've heard runs hot, and slower than other Macs. No real experience on my part. The Air is the machine you give the hands off CEO who doesn't do all that much with it. The Air is a niche product, an ultra portable laptop. It was stripped of anything unnecessary so that it would be as easy to carry as possible. I think a lot of reviewers did not understand what it was intended for. They kept bringing up missing features, but if you valued those missing features over size and weight then you were not the customer that the Air was designed for. Hmm. Let's try this another way. . . The *netbook* is a niche product, an ultra portable laptop. It was stripped of anything unnecessary so that it would be as easy to carry as possible. I think a lot of reviewers did not understand what it was intended for. They kept bringing up missing features, but if you valued those missing features over size and weight then you were not the customer that the *netbook* was designed for. I'm just sayin' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
I read a couple of articles after listening to said podcast. Netbooks it seems are not falling in sales, but the half dozen articles from different sources did seem to list a high return rate...of the linux based laptops. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Buyers of net books are so unhappy with their purchases that return rates are running over 1/3. NOTE: I'm just repeating what I heard on the podcast. Again, this is the error of the monolithic mindset by Apple adherents. Return rates are running over 1/3 of which brands and for what reasons? Is this better or worse than larger laptops and are some brands worse than others? Making a similar claim that subcompact cars have a return rate of over 1/3 is equally sloppy. Sound bites like this are useless, except to paint badly with a broad brush. Details matter. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MPAA is still at it....
I think for once...the two of us can agree it's bullshit On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Reminder from the MPAA: DRM trumps your fair use rights Before I respond I have to know if this is computers or politics. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
If you picked an OS with a base above 3% you too could enjoy botnets! On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: sources did seem to list a high return rate...of the linux based laptops. This computer did not come with Confiker. All my PC owning friends have Confiker. They say the won't let me join their bot net until I get Confiker. Take this defective computer back and give me one with Confiker! Sure, sure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
I usually buy my enclosures/drives separately. It seems you get better warranties on drives this way. The last WD drives I bought have 5 year warranties. I'd stick with them...or seagate, I'm sure everyone on the list has a horror story involving at least one or more vendors regarding hard drives. I also get my drives from a local dealer wholesale so if they do go bad in the first year I have instant exchange, after that it's advance RMA from the drive maker. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707170 I bought one of those recently, except the single drive dock. Works wonderfully and comes with esata and USB. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Julie Kubal julieku...@yahoo.com wrote: I was the OP on this subject, but was out of town for a while so didn't get a chance to respond. It's been interesting reading everyone's responses. I think I can safely say that I don't need a RAID, I just need to regularly back-up my files so I am going to go with two individual drives. As I stated, I currently have all Lacie drives, but they are more expensive than Western Digital. It's tempting just to go with Lacie again due to familiarity and also tempting to go with a cheaper alternative. Is it the case that Lacie is basically just an enclosure and that the actual drive can be any number of different manufacturers? In that case it seems like a waste to pay more for Lacie. I know that all drives have a risk of failure, so does the brand really matter at all?Does anyone have specific recommendations or opinions? Thanks, Julie On 10 May 2009, at 18:22, Tom Piwowar wrote: On last week's show, one of the guys recommended a DROBO for external hard drive storage . I looked into it and I think this might be overkill for what I need, plus the up front cost is too high for me Those guys are not the guys. I find those guys quite distressing. DROBO is a terrible recommendation and demonstrates the person's cluelessness. It didn't take you long to figure this out for yourself. I hope this recommendation is just due to cluelessness and not an attempt to push something they are selling. I think I just want to have a RAID 1 (mirrored RAID) setup to back-up my photo archive. Bad idea. This arrangement will protect you against the least likely type of problem (drive failure) and will merely replicate the most likely types of problems (soft failures) onto both drives. Is there any advantage to getting this kind of set up rather than two individual 1 TB drives that I set up in a RAID 1 configuration myself like I've done in the past? Get 2 individual drives, but do not set them up as RAID. Instead run a backup program to sync up the two drives periodiclly. This will insulate the second drive from some types of soft errors. Better than syncing is to run TimeMachine, because it will protect you against more types of soft failures. For example if you accidently delete files or if files become corrupted TimeMachine will let you go back to previous versions to replace them. If you go with TimeMachine the backup drive should be about twice as large as the primary drive. Running the backup once a day usually works, but you could run it much more often if necessary. TimeMachine runs hourly by default. Lastly, after many years of reliable use, one of my old Lacie drives has failed. I have the other half of the RAID as backup. I'd like to rebuild the RAID and was wondering if I could just open up the enclosure with the bad drive and replace it. Is that a bad idea or is it pretty straightforward and easy to do? With most RAIDs you have to match the two drives quite closely. That is why old, obsolete drives are often sold at such crazy high prices. It might be safer to just copy your files to the new drive and get a fresh start. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Which MacBook Pro?
Personally I think you'd be better off with more ram and making sure you get a 7200 rpm drive. I really doubt you will see a huge difference in speed between the two cpus. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Julie Kubal julieku...@yahoo.com wrote: Moving on from hard drives... I'm about to purchase a new MacBook Pro. I'm planning to use this computer for as long as possible, basically until it dies. My current PowerBook G4 that I bought back in 04 is still running in fact, but it's now too slow for my needs. I primarily need to run Photoshop CS4 and Lightroom 2. Someone advised me to upgrade to the fastest processor available because you never know in the years to come what programs one might need to run. In this case, that would mean upgrading from 2.66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo to the 2.93 Ghz. I think at the moment 2.66Ghz would be perfectly adequate and cost is a big consideration, but if it makes sense in the long run, I'd be willing to spend the extra $300. Thoughts? -Julie * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
A friend of mine was over with his new macbook pro with 4 gigs of ram and the 7200 HD option...it crashed while he was here. I don't hold it against it however. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: Went to a professional seminar last night where the PowerPoint presentation was run off of a netbook. It crashed halfway through, much to the embarrassment of the presenter. Took his assistant 5 minutes to get it rebooted and back to where it was. While I don't know the details of why it went down, a lack of system resources comes to mind. Richard P. Will I be able to run microsoft office on a Netbook-- at least Word, PowerPoint and maybe Excel?... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
The MSI wind has received great reviews, runs office just fine and weighs about half the weight of the macbook. You can have one for anywhere from 330 to 400 bux. The macbook is a great system also, but at twice the cost, it's worth looking at the wind. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:02 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Marcia, A netbook will probably not do what you need. They're very limited. MS Office--forget it. There's a good reason why they're called netbooks instead of notebooks, although they're much bigger than the netbooks two years ago, some of which could use SIM cards. Consider this first: *How will you be traveling? - Fly to one location and take taxi, train, bus, ferry to your destination? - Or pick up a car at the airport and drive to your hotel, apartment, studio, house? - Take notes in the field on PDA, transfer to your notebook each day? *How much luggage will you be carrying? I travel for a month or so at a time. I have one 21 carry-on convertible suitcase/backpack and a messenger bag. Anything I forget or can't fit I probably don't need, or can buy, especially in Spain where I can shop at Alcampo, Carrefour, Eroski, and at the traveling mercadillos. *Will you only be traveling once a year for research? Do you really want to limit yourself to a netbook all year for a month of travel? Can you do all of your own tech support while traveling? How often in the US will you need a notebook? Many public libraries in Europe have computers and printers for public use, even in relatively remote locations. Did you know that GSM phone service is everywhere including places that are nowhere? You can get a USB dongle for your own computer and use a local 3G network [Movistar/Telefónica or virtual service from Eroski, Carrefour, etc.] if free or paid WiFi isn't available. Or you might be able to tether your PDA/cell phone and avoid the dongle. Use a local SIM. The personal item bag [briefcase, messenger bag, small backpack, etc.] must weigh less than around 6 kilos, or combined carry-on plus personal item bag limit of 18 kilos. A MacBook weighs 5 pounds or 2.27 kilos. That leaves you a lot more allowance for other items. Today's deal at the online Apple Store is a MB 2.1GHz w/superdrive, $849. Get a real computer, not a crippled one, and use a PDA. It's not worth it to sacrifice a good computer to avoid carrying an extra two pounds of weight. FWIW, I'm traveling with an iPod Touch, and use internet cafes and libraries, so I can travel light. Betty p.s. I love my 24 iMac too! Marcia Kupfer kupfe...@osu.edu escribió: I love my Imac 24. But for my research I have to travel abroad periodically -- say, for up to 4-6 weeks at a time once a year. The MacBooks are just too heavy, too clunky for the kind of travel and fieldwork that I do. And MacAir is too expensive. So I have been exploring the option of a Netbook. I need it to do all these very basic things: 1) run Firefox. I use Firefox because of an add-on, Zotero... 2) be able to connect to internet NOT through free wi-fi... pre-paid access locally in the European countries in which I do my research, a SIMS card or a broadband dongle...3) word processing with .doc files I can transfer to my Mac ...4) create, edit .ppt files ...5) would be great if it could store my .jpg files...6) read pdf files with Adobe reader... Will I be able to run microsoft office on a Netbook-- at least Word, PowerPoint and maybe Excel?... Will any Netbook accommodate a broadband dongle on a USB or SIMS card? -- the specs never mention this. I was thinking of a Samsung NC 10 or an HP mini (a 2410). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Which MacBook Pro?
Check memory from third party vendors, never, ever go through Apple for memory. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Julie Kubal julieku...@yahoo.com wrote: Unfortunately, the extra memory is an extra $1000, while the extra processing speed in only another $300. On 22 May 2009, at 12:02, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Another thing to see is putting as much memory as possible in it. These programs not only are processor hogs, but also memory. Stewart At 10:49 AM 5/22/2009, you wrote: Moving on from hard drives... I'm about to purchase a new MacBook Pro. I'm planning to use this computer for as long as possible, basically until it dies. My current PowerBook G4 that I bought back in 04 is still running in fact, but it's now too slow for my needs. I primarily need to run Photoshop CS4 and Lightroom 2. Someone advised me to upgrade to the fastest processor available because you never know in the years to come what programs one might need to run. In this case, that would mean upgrading from 2.66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo to the 2.93 Ghz. I think at the moment 2.66Ghz would be perfectly adequate and cost is a big consideration, but if it makes sense in the long run, I'd be willing to spend the extra $300. Thoughts? -Julie * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
1200-4000 dollar netbooks? Where are you shopping? Netbooks aren't supposed to be speed demons, or 4000 dollars. For what she described as needing, an MSI Wind would work great. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:03 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Betty how familiar are you with a Netbook? My son has one it runs just about everything I can run on my Dell full size. They are very versatile and work very well. I tried one of the early netbooks in Europe. They were excellent. I'm very disappointed at the merely crippled small cheap notebooks that pass as netbooks now. Tried several. I wouldn't recommend them. They're not much more portable than a smaller notebook and less versatile than the original netbooks two years ago. Most of all, they don't fit in my cargo pocket, therefore they're kind of pointless for traveling light. I'd rather carry either my MacBook or iPod Touch or Nokia E- or N-series smart phone, which are more useful to me. Yes, Apple has spoiled me. So has Nokia, for its quality devices. For an Internet device, the cheap netbooks are OK, but the $1200-$4000 original netbooks were superb by comparison. Cheap and small hardly compares to quality and small. You gets what you pays for! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Which MacBook Pro?
Again, I think you'll be wasting 300 dollars towards the 2.93, better to put that towards the external monitor? Saving it for more RAM later? Fifty for the 7200 HD is not bad... On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Julie Kubal julieku...@yahoo.com wrote: This has all been very helpful so far. Originally, I was considering a 15 MBP plus a separate large monitor for my photo work, but I began leaning towards the 17 because I do a lot of photo slideshow presentations at clients' homes where a bigger, portable screen would enhance the presentation. The 2.93Ghz processor is now available on the 15 too so the differences between the two sizes is really just RAM capacity and screen size/antiglare as far as I can tell. Any thoughts on advantages of larger screen size? The antiglare for photo work seems attractive. Since I'm planning on sticking with whichever model I buy for a long time, I'm having a really tough time making a decision, weighing all the variables. Thanks to all for bearing with my indecisiveness as I ask these questions. -Julie On 22 May 2009, at 13:12, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: If you are getting the DDR3 model yes it will go down after time. I am seeing that, that memory is very expensive compared to the DDR2 memory. At the Crucial site DDR3 each 4 GB stick 399.99 Max 8 GB (x2 799.99) DDR2 each 2 GB stick 33.99 Max 4 GB (x2 55.99) 2.66 duo core intel. Stewart At 11:47 AM 5/22/2009, you wrote: Pardon this uninformed question, but I can always upgrade the RAM later, right? But not the processor? Will the cost of RAM probably decrease with time? At the moment, even if RAM would make the most sense in the long run, it's just too expensive to justify at an extra $1000. On 22 May 2009, at 12:19, mike wrote: Personally I think you'd be better off with more ram and making sure you get a 7200 rpm drive. I really doubt you will see a huge difference in speed between the two cpus. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
OS X has worse engineering but it sits un-virus infested. Try again. If OS X was the target of trojan writers everywhere the experience on the mac platform would be very different. This being said, facts are that OS X doesn't have anyone targeting it, so it is more safe in that regard. But it's not safer because of better engineering, that much is known. Buy the MSI wind and put OS X on it...best of both. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: 9 times out of 10 when an MS office program crashes it has to do with the file it is loading or using than the program itself. *11 times out of 10 when an M$ program crashes it is not M$'s fault.* I just don't buy that. I see really, really bad engineering leading to a defective, buggy, virus-infested product. Risky to travel with. If I were traveling with a net book running Windows I would want to also bring along an extra drive to back up my files. And a CD like the Ultimate Book Disk with anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-hijack, disk recovery utilities, etc. etc. would also be nice, except that most net books do not include a CD drive. Maybe you want to bring a spare net book? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] urgent query
Or they don't think that it *has* to be expensive to be quality and useful. I'm glad to see you think you know all americans so well. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: That's right. Americans don't like to pay for quality, so they buy cheap little notebooks that don't do much and have keyboards that aren't much better than the smaller, more powerful devices. I'd rather save up and buy a quality device, quality bicycle, quality car, quality SW, quality anything than settle for the cheapest alternative. Most people don't care or don't want to wait until they can afford something better. Most don't need more than an Internet device and basic word processing anyway. With Linux, they're somewhat better. Therefore the new netbooks are popular. I simply wouldn't recommend any to someone who's traveling for business or research. The ones you are talking about never took off as they were as expensive as a full size Laptop and people would not spend the money for them. The newer netbooks save money by using a smaller sized LCD and also a less expensive (plus power saving) processor that Intel came out with. The ones that fit into a cargo pocket just never took off. Do not equate cheap with junk. For what she asked for it fit the criteria. Smartphones are OK but they are not mini notebooks, and their keyboards are too cramped to get serious work done. The Netbooks fit the middle ground. Their battery life is better than notebooks, and not as good as smartphones/pda's. They fit a niche and a need. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ram sources for MacBook
Except RAM is also a commodity. So like corn which has been around long enough to work out the kinks, prices fluctuate. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: How this works : RAM is a commodity but even commodities have gradations best of the best go for a premium price... next tier is not as reliable...A third tier is worse yet and...A last tier goes to the dumpster I question this for a mature technology. When a particular chip-making technology is new there are certainly issues with failed and low-yield batches. As the manufacturer works out the kinks yield and quality improve -- AND PRICES DROP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] The limit lifted
It's being reported among such places as supersite for windows that MS is not going to implement the 3 app limit on it's starter edition. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
The dictator has spoken! All Obey! On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Maybe in your made up subscription service...but not the one we were talking about. You seem to like doing that, change what is true into what is not, then argue that. You end up arguing with yourself more then anyone else this way. I can imagine seeing you in a grocery..alone in the aisle...arguing about which vegetables to buy. There you go again - don't discuss the topic, just call people names. Doing this is so destructive to the proper conduct of a discussion list that it ought to be a capital crime. So this discussion is now over. You lose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Aw stop it, yer making me all misty eyed. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes mike is afraid that if he's not a jerk, he'll be nothing at all. Tom Piwowar wrote: Maybe in your made up subscription service...but not the one we were talking about. You seem to like doing that, change what is true into what is not, then argue that. You end up arguing with yourself more then anyone else this way. I can imagine seeing you in a grocery..alone in the aisle...arguing about which vegetables to buy. There you go again - don't discuss the topic, just call people names. Doing this is so destructive to the proper conduct of a discussion list that it ought to be a capital crime. So this discussion is now over. You lose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google software update
About as threatening as the os x updater...or any other you have. What kind of threats are you worried about? On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't used any Google software on my Mac in a while so maybe this is already an old issue, but I downloaded Google Earth 5.0 and got this on installation: Google Software Update is about to be installed. This software will update any Google software on your computer when new versions become available. Google Software Update verifies updates and is safer than downloading files from the Internet yourself. To continue using Google Earth, you must accept the new Google privacy policies and allow Google Software Update to run in the background on your computer. Any thoughts on how threatening this kind of intrusiveness is? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google software update
I know you can disable it on windows...should be able to on os x. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: My first thought is No thank you. My second thought is can I disable the background updater after downloading. Let us know what you end up doing. Richard P. I haven't used any Google software on my Mac in a while so maybe this is already an old issue, but I downloaded Google Earth 5.0 and got this on installation: Google Software Update is about to be installed. This software will update any Google software on your computer when new versions become available. Google Software Update verifies updates and is safer than downloading files from the Internet yourself. To continue using Google Earth, you must accept the new Google privacy policies and allow Google Software Update to run in the background on your computer. Any thoughts on how threatening this kind of intrusiveness is? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
If music isn't your thing, that's ok. For some people it's in their lives more. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Well anyone that would find it hard to buy ten songs a month...who bought into a service because they love getting new music, must have other issues we can't cover here without multiple therapists Some months I can easily contemplate not hearing 10 new songs worth keeping. M$ tends to be a favorite of the indiscriminate. No? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
I figured you had pulled this one from your nether regions...just wanted to hear you say it. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? Please provide irrefutable evidence of your existence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
Pot calling kettle... I give what I get from Tom. I asked nicely, he non answered in his own smartass way. I replied in kind. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Perhaps the fact that you seem to go out of your way to disparage him may have something to do with how he addresses you? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Thanks...that's all I was asking. Instead we get more smartass from Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
I know your shtick, make up everything, prove nothing...keep moving and jabbing till they give up on trying to get some truth out of you. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I figured you had pulled this one from your nether regions...just wanted to hear you say it. I know your shtick. Challenge everything. Deny everything. The classic OJ defense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I wonder
Thanks...that's all I was asking. Instead we get more smartass from Tom. Thanks, Betty. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:04 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: And where are your surveys that they stay in service for twice as long? The Gartner Group has done several detailed studies and reports for creative professionals comparing TCO of Mac and Windows computers. The Macs have always had lower TCO and longer usable life. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Maybe in your made up subscription service...but not the one we were talking about. You seem to like doing that, change what is true into what is not, then argue that. You end up arguing with yourself more then anyone else this way. I can imagine seeing you in a grocery..alone in the aisle...arguing about which vegetables to buy. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: If music isn't your thing, that's ok. For some people it's in their lives more. If music IS your life then you will be plugged into the various music sites and blogs that will provide you with a flood of tunes, mostly for free. You will also be griping about the limited variety of tunes you get from any single music source. If music IS NOT your life then you will not be so excited about the monthly fees, free choices that expire each month, keeping track of what is permanent and what is not, etc. etc. This is the dilemma facing any subscription music service. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting
I listen to audiobooks all the time, but always in situations where books wouldn't do well. At work at times, in the car a lot...they are fantastic for long commutes. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Books on the other hand are something that has to be read. Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from Audible. I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in as much knowledge as possible. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
I signed up for the free two weeks...basically five bux a month for unlimited music...can't beat that with a stick. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Why has every attempt to date at selling such a subscription service been a flop You might mention this to Rhapsody. They don't seem to be aware that they have flopped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Similiar? The zune pass isn't streaming. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: It appears that this model is not very strong: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m onth-streaming-5-downloads.arshttp://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/05/the-new-new-napster-intros-5m%0Aonth-streaming-5-downloads.ars Ars reports that Napster, now part of Best Buy, is selling similar (streaming) for $5/month, with 5 DRM-free d/l. They give it a yawn... Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Every year we buy a 'pass' to a local wild life zoo...I see the subscription based music services similiar to that. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Not to me, Chris; I think of both as wasting money. No rented music for me, thank you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I just never liked the idea of renting, unless I really did want to leave the rental behind after a short period of time. No XM/Sirius for me, either and I don't pay for TV. That's fine, Mark, but it's a far cry from Anyone ever rented records, CDs, ... Ever wanted to?, isn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
You don't. Tom is walking around with his zune and one cd he bought ten years ago On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: And the proposition that somebody would spend $10,000s filling their iPod is so ridiculous. Sure, but how DO you fill a 120GB music device legally without spending a whole bunch of money? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
It would be a better deal for some, but the 5 dollar deal is only streaming music...no device support, nothing kept local. On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Brownfield steveei...@verizon.netwrote: Chris, I may not be a doctor, but take a chill pill. I see the discussion as to the differences between service and which service is right for you. To do this fairly you need to look at all the costs of each service. Somebody mentioned a service similar to Zune Pass but only $5 a month (you only got to keep 5 downloads each month). If that is true then that would be a better deal for me than Zune Pass, but not as good as iTunes (as I said in an earlier post I've spent $50 in the last 4 years on iTunes). Does Zune pass over anything other than music? Podcasts? Movies? Games? Chris Dunford wrote: Look, I'm not trying to force you to use the damn thing. For some people it's a good choice. For others it's not. Ask your doctor if Zune Pass is right for you. It depends entirely on what you want. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune ad
Well anyone that would find it hard to buy ten songs a month...who bought into a service because they love getting new music, must have other issues we can't cover here without multiple therapists On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: No, they don't roll over. Not good. There goes M$ again, cramming things down our throats even when we don't want them. Haven't they seen those clever ads about rollover minutes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] I wonder
Anyone out there on a politics list? Do they ever break out into computer subjects? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
Right...and the company he chairs and partly owns that does the 'carbon offsets', he makes nothing? On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Think of those massive profits Al Gore has been racking up.. Well, actually, Gore donates the profits from his environmental activities, including the books and the movie, to a nonprofit. Most of his wealth is from his Apple and Google stock. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I change the sizes pf the partirions?
gparted is as much fun as you can have with a partition manager... Acronis is a lifesaver. Nothing like being back up and running complete with programs etc in ten minutes off a brand new drive. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://gparted.sourceforge.org is free, but probably too much fun. Acronis Disk Director is $50 and has a decent reputation * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I change the sizes pf the partirions?
You can resize partitions from Vista's computer management console. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: If I'm not mistaken, I don't think Symantec even supports Partiton Magic any more. Last time I looked, version 8 was the latest (had been for a few years) and I thougth there was no further development. And Ver 8 does NOT work on Vista. Isn't that Symantec's MO: buy a popular product, invest nothing, raise the price, keep selling it as long as possible. They still sell version 8. Since PM runs booted from the CD I don't think it matters what version of the OS is on the drive. Has M$ made any changes to NTFS that would matter? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
So the choice is to read one mag who supports enhanced interrogation, or one that thought Joe was a great guy when he was killing as many as 20,000 Russians a month? On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: That base is not nearly as broad as that of The Nation, many whose supporters are not wealthy. Thank you. Why am I not surprised that I was being mislead? Maybe the cons/neocons predilection for enhanced interrogarion comes from their knowledge that they would otherwise never tell the truth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
Think of those massive profits Al Gore has been racking up..and all those watermelons who back him...GE stands to make a lot of that cash the Big O is printing for our own little Weimar. On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Think of those massive profits that Exxon/OPEC/etc are racking up. Now think what would happen if energy became essentially limitless and cost essentially zero. What is that worth? What is it worth to some to make sure it never happens? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
We'll start with Soros and Buffetweird how the super rich are lefties On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1b__MdtHY Long, but worth watching all the way through At the end Bill Black starts calling it a fundamental moral crisis. That has a ring of truth to it. No excuses like we live in an imperfect world here. This suggests an easy solution for paying for current financial bailouts. Arrest several hundred multi-billionaires and strip them of their ill-gotten assets, just like is currently being done with Madoff. That should net a few $trillion in spare change. Without enforcement of moral hazard these crooks will just keep doing what they have been doing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
And now they are too busy being promoted. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why aren't these people under arrest who where charged with over seeing this kind of stuff and chose to ignore it? Or weren't smart enough to see it even when they were told it was going on? Because they were too busy executing their insider trades. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] I'm a Megan
You almost have to feel sorry for MS...almost. Apple is playing in the majors and MS is swinging away in the minors. Sent from my iPod On May 13, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple responded to Laptop Hunters with just the right amount of snarkeyness. http://apple.com/getamac/ads/ The ones entitled Elimination and PC Choice Chat *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
Trouble is, same people are in charge of the 'free market' that were when Madoff made off... On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Are you sure you know what a free market is? A marketing term used to promote anarchy and rule by the rich. Free Market is what made Bernie Madoff a billionare. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
Like we got other whining the last two. Maybe someday people will realize it's not really right/left and hasn't been for a long time. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: I guess we can count on Jeff's whimpering politics for two full terms. And whining at Tom on behalf of M$, regardless. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Even when the politican appoints respected scientists and technologists to fill science and technology posts? Maybe you are stuck in the past? The cons/neocons are no longer running the show. Oh, that's right, I forgot that the *right* people are in charge now. No, no one will ever use that power you so happily give them for something you oppose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
You didn't even watch the clip of Dr. Tyson did you? Don't let facts get in your way! You might actually stop thinking about just getting your agendas out no matter what. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I only included that article as an example of the folly of looking to the govt. as a mechanism for science, as was so loudly crowed here. Sure, you'll get science, and whole lot of waste and politicizing of science too. I think yours is an accurate representation of how Bush ran things. I also see the current administration forthrightly stating that this is not the way things will work in the future. They have taken concrete actions to demonstrate that, like putting renown scientists and engineers in charge of science and technology. They have also announced that stimulus money would not be forthcoming to organizations who had misspent such funds in the past -- they have already published a list of who was being excluded. True to their word. When the government is in the hands of the cons/neocons it does not function well. These misguided/evil people hate the government and they hate the people. They corrupt the government and turn it into a delivery mechanism for furthering private greed. Its putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Your example is not a reason to condemn government, it is an indictment of the cons/neocons. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
9 years? Longer then that. He started in the early 90's. By the way, a lot of the same people who were charged with knowing about this sort of thing are still there. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Excuse my interruption, but didn't he get rich off of not only fraud, but people who where in the know and charged with stopping this kind of thing and did know and did nothing? And did nothing for 9+years. It seems to me like it was similar to telling a compulsive thief to not take the money and then give him the keys to the bank and trust him to protect it. Jeff M On May 13, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: A marketing term used to promote anarchy and rule by the rich. Free Market is what made Bernie Madoff a billionare. OK, so you don't know what it is. That factoid is a real time saver for me. *pssst* He got rich off of fraud. I tell you this so you don't go on being confused and embarrass yourself at cocktail parties. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What to do: Was: Steve added you as a friend on MyL
On a side note..is it that hard to get a new HD *in* it? On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: my hard drive in the iMac had finally died. Now I'm wondering if I should/could get an external firewire drive and have it run the OS on the iMac, or just buy a new iMac. Any thoughts? Depends on how old your iMac is. Tell me more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
Exactly, I await your case to be made. It's so nice when we agree. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Interesting math, adds up to a whole lot of BS, but interesting. Yes, that whole arithmetic thing is just such a scam. As BHO recently announced, Science is back. If you can make a scientific case for this old technology I welcome you to do so. But calling it BS just doesn't cut it. Neither is telling me that some non-tech broadcaster is pushing it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
He bought it! On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.comwrote: You bought that one? On May 10, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: As BHO recently announced, Science is back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
You should read up on those lawsuits in the EU...really ridiculous stuff. Kinda hard to claim IE has an monopoly when their marketshare is on a spiral...DOWN. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: You bought that one? As BHO recently announced, Science is back. Well I was it was gone for 8 years and now I see it again. Doesn't that count as back? As the little kids say Back Obama. Today BHO is announcing that the government is back into enforcing the antitrust laws. In the previous 8 years not a single action was brought by the government on this basis. Americans had to depend on the EU to protect us from the worst ravages of the predatory monopolists. So law and order are back too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
http://fora.tv/2009/02/04/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_The_Pluto_Files#chapter_18 Good response to the 'death of science' question from a self described left wing member of the liberal party. The whole show is good, regarding pluto and it's planetary status, Dr. Tyson is very entertaining. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] apple app store bonehead move
http://tinyurl.com/qleja6 Apple has a strange baffling approval process. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
100% vulnerable? Really? By 100, you mean *just* the data on the disks...right. So not really 100% since you aren't using it as a backup and have all that data over there while it rebuilds. So really it's not vulnerable at all... On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: What they don't warn you about in RAID school though, is that after a failure, when the RAID is being rebuilt, your data is 100% vulnerable! And this striping process can take 24 hours or more for large disks! How _likely_ is it that you'll have two failures in a row? Well, the drives *are* likely from right next to each other on the production line. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, RAID is more complex and it's not fool-proof. RAID isn't supposed to have any data security beyond what entails from a single drive failure (or 2 with RAID 6). Lose one drive with RAID 1 or 5 and you've lost no data. If you have hot-swap drives, you can stay up through the drive replacement and array rebuild. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple app store bonehead move
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/11/apple-rejects-bittorrent-control-app-from-app-store-because-it-m/ sure. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:47 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Could you send a non Tiny.URL too. Tiny URLs are blocked by my firewall... Thanks, db mike wrote: http://tinyurl.com/qleja6 Apple has a strange baffling approval process. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
She wants a live backup, not monthly ones. The drobo advantage is plug in and forget, also AFAIK, you can stick any drives in that drobo, in a build you own RAID scenario, you need matched drives for the best results. I'd not replace the lacie drive for the reason just mentioned. Watch out for the new WD 'green' drives, not to be used for RAID. I'm doing the same thing you are talking about with a pair of 1 TB drives. I have a third drive for offline backup. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Avoid RAID like the plague if at all possible. For photo work there is absolutely no reason for it. It just complicates the system, which is the antithesis of backup. Instead, use that second drive to alternate monthly backups, always keeping alternate backups off site. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Julie Kubal julieku...@yahoo.com wrote: On last week's show, one of the guys recommended a DROBO for external hard drive storage . I looked into it and I think this might be overkill for what I need, plus the up front cost is too high for me. I think I just want to have a RAID 1 (mirrored RAID) setup to back-up my photo archive. I currently have two sets of two Lacie D2 Quadra 250 GB drives, each pair set up in a mirrored RAID, but they are now completely full. I was thinking about going with the Lacie 2TB 2big Quadra 2-Disk RAID Hard Drive next. It looks like this is the same concept as the DROBO, but just not expandable: basically an enclosure that allows for easy RAID configuration. I'm a Mac user and will be using Lightroom to access the external drives at times. My questions are: Is there any advantage to getting this kind of set up rather than two individual 1 TB drives that I set up in a RAID 1 configuration myself like I've done in the past? Is there any other advantage with the DROBO that I'm missing if I just need a RAID 1? From the reviews I've read, it seems like every manufacturer has it's fans and nay-sayers, but basically all drives are susceptible to failure at some point. Can anyone on the list chime in with opinions on manufacturers? I looked into Western Digital too, but some of the negative reviews specifically mentioned that the WD drives tended to unmount themselves, which would be particularly inconvenient with Lightroom running. Lastly, after many years of reliable use, one of my old Lacie drives has failed. I have the other half of the RAID as backup. I'd like to rebuild the RAID and was wondering if I could just open up the enclosure with the bad drive and replace it. Is that a bad idea or is it pretty straightforward and easy to do? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
She already has a RAID setup. You might want to read up on RAID, they do the exact opposite of what you think they do. Sent from my iPod On May 10, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: She didn't SAY she wanted a live backup. She said: I just want to have a [raid] setup to back-up my photo archive.. And even if she does, just how live does a backup need to be? RAID complicates the system. That can be difficult to justify in the real world. Assuming she shoots daily, there's no need for more than a daily incremental backup, and monthly full offsite backups. RAIDs just multiply the failure rate of each drive, and the RAID can be impossible to rebuild when many failures occur. When a drive is striping, the entire system is vulnerable! NO WAY. Really, she doesn't need disks at all just for good backup, just a broadband connection. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: She wants a live backup, not monthly ones. The drobo advantage is plug in *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
You guys seem to be missing the simple point that she *already* has a RAID. She already enjoys the benefits of using RAID. I have no idea why some on the list are afraid of utilizing a proven technology when the situation calls for it. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: The RAID issue has been debated much on this group. As a former institutional information systems manager who oversaw RAID systems, in my opinion Tony is right that RAID is not the best backup system in this case when offsite websharing and backup systems are easily available at at reasonable cost. If a RAID controller fails it is very likely that you lose everything and the resources, maintenance and knowledgebase/ skillset needed to do RAID reasonably safely are WAY beyond her capabilities. No need for RAID for her when there are better, cheaper and easier alternatives available now that once weren't. IMHO, db Mike wrote: She already has a RAID setup. You might want to read up on RAID, they do the exact opposite of what you think they do. Sent from my iPod On May 10, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: She didn't SAY she wanted a live backup. She said: I just want to have a [raid] setup to back-up my photo archive.. And even if she does, just how live does a backup need to be? RAID complicates the system. That can be difficult to justify in the real world. Assuming she shoots daily, there's no need for more than a daily incremental backup, and monthly full offsite backups. RAIDs just multiply the failure rate of each drive, and the RAID can be impossible to rebuild when many failures occur. When a drive is striping, the entire system is vulnerable! NO WAY. Really, she doesn't need disks at all just for good backup, just a broadband connection. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: She wants a live backup, not monthly ones. The drobo advantage is plug in * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
It's not redundant anymore? It doesn't provide mirroring or parity? It doesn't reduce the MTBF? All those assumptions are wrong? You should get out more, even Apple uses RAID. A primer to help you understand how RAID works and why. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID Once you understand it's usage, you may be able to offer alternatives or you'll realize it's a solid way to go. Like any tech, it's not correct in every usage, but in certain areas it is the best. Another short bit from the high father, oh holy Jobs. I know you listen to him. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=DiskUtility/10.5/en/duh1013.html On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: You guys seem to be missing the simple point that she *already* has a RAID. She already enjoys the benefits of using RAID. I have no idea why some on the list are afraid of utilizing a proven technology when the situation calls for it. RAID is not a proven technology. It is an obsolete technology and actually a dangerous technology because drive technology has changed so much since its invention. The assumptions that made RAID useful back then are no longer true. Anyone outside of a large data center who is using RAID today should start planning to get rid of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
The guys at macbreak weekly have recommended drobo often..and no they aren't paid to do it. They just love it. With the background these guys have, I'll trust they know what they are doing. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Those guys are not the guys. I find those guys quite distressing. DROBO is a terrible recommendation and demonstrates the person's cluelessness. It didn't take you long to figure this out for yourself. I hope this recommendation is just due to cluelessness and not an attempt to push something they are selling. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
Interesting math, adds up to a whole lot of BS, but interesting. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: RAID increases the probability of failure. Two drives are more likely to fail than one drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] external hard drives
From your post, you clearly have no idea who you are speaking of. Quoting the first line from a wiki page is a good scam, try actually knowing the people you are talking about. And no, not anything...just the things that you are wrong about. You leave out one crucial detail, RAID works. It has for a long time and will continue in many places. If you are afraid of it then don't use it, but you need not spread FUD around. On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: The guys at macbreak weekly have recommended drobo often..and no they aren't paid to do it. They just love it. With the background these guys have, I'll trust they know what they are doing. They need to find products to fawn over. That's their shtick. The head guru is a college dropout who majored in Chinese history. I don't think that any of them have an engineering degree. They are mostly broadcasters, not people who seriously work with computer technology. I would not take advice from any of them. Their role is to tell us about what's new. Deciding what's good is beyond their ken. I would expect you to disagree with anything I say. Is that news? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Are old LPs worth anything?
I had a similar question as Randall's and picked up a copy of Warman's American Record that was being remaindered by Hamilton Bookseller for a couple of dollars. That will give you a feeling for some of the prices. (I now have several hundred LPs, 78's, and 45's that I paid almost nothing for and am recording them to tape and CD, but is going very slowly. Fortunately, I am retired, so I have time these days.) Mike Robert Carroll wrote: My two cents: depends on what the LP is. A couple of years ago I bought an LP on eBay for over $100, recorded around 1953. Most don't sell for so much. They are like comic books: the rare and sought after comic book fetches a high price, most are not of much value even if they are old. Ranbo wrote: * A bit off-topic but have sense some here might know Someone my father met said he would come by and buy his LPs. I'm debating whether to take all my LPs for him to buy as well. I suspect we won't get paid more than a token amount. I have mostly LPs from 70's and think I've seen some of them on sale in record stores for $20-$30. Question is, would it be worth it to try to sell the records individually, or as a collection through some other means than this guy? I have maybe 35 records. Mix of rock, classic, a few musicals. Just thought I'd see what feedback I'd get. Thanks Randall* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Actually if you'd been reading the posts you'd note I hadn't said anything about MS BS, just your BS. Maybe drink some tea or something, calm down, take a walk? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS Have you presented any facts yourself? No, just fanatical M$ B$. I know: HOW DARE THEY RUN BENCHMARKS! They should just humbly genuflect. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cyber pirates
How can the RIAA sue for songs copied but not actually taken? Some reports claim the perp wiped all backups after stealing the data. Seems to be conflicting reports. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Just another opening salvo in a cyber war that's sure to heat up as we become more connected. It will be interesting to see how low they can bargain the pirates. And what have they done with their website in the meantime? How can one ransom back something that was copied and not actually taken? How can someone return something that is just a copy? How can crooks prove that no copy was retained by them? Can't do it. There is no sane way to justify paying these crooks anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 XPM Intel [Was: Win7 Speed Improvement]
Probably...do you know which is the best seller? Sounds like you are the one with assumptions unless you have some data on AMD sales? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Well, I guess that when I read the vast majority of AMD chips support XPM, I don't interpret that to mean that the vast majority of AMD chips don't support XPM. But that's just me. That's why I wrote Don't you think about what the words mean while you are reading? By excluding Semptron, probably the most popular type of AMD chip, that sentence was not really saying what it appeared to be saying. Maybe if you were not so easily fooled you would not be such a WFB? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Photo editing software
What does she want to do? Just get rid of red eye or is she a pro? A pro in the making? Go with the free one first...if she has no preference..GIMP is a good alternative. 2009/5/8 John Mealey III john.meal...@verizon.net My wife has requested photo editing software for her new computer. I am at a loss at the moment having just tanked on the CCNA exam and could use a good suggestion to get this purchased and off my 'honey do' list for this weekend. It does not have to be free, open source, etc, needs to run on XP, and can't break the bank (I E Photoshop full edition). Elements OK? THanks, John Mealey * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cyber pirates
All those users, encoding/decoding...take a hell of a lot of power. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Whether or not the data was copied this time, it's still a good idea to insist, where possible, that all medical records use something other than a social security number as ID, for when the files really are compromised. The right way to handle such data is to keep it in an encoded format all the time. Data is only decoded when it needs to be used and then immediately encoded again. That way when it is lost or stolen it is of no value. Should start our assuming that the data will be stolen at some time or other. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cyber pirates
Yeah those i7's in macs are so much faster and better then the ones in other machines...uh..yeah. Macs use those magic i7's. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: All those users, encoding/decoding...take a hell of a lot of power. Another good reason to use Macs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
You bet it's appalling, that's exclusively your gig. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. I find your don't-bother-me-with-the-facts attitude appalling. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS, I'm using it to help get my yard in this weekend. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: FWIW, I installed Win 7 RC on a Intel dual core w 2 gigs ram and a nvidia 512 graphics card. 160gb new SATA drive in less than 20 minutes to the final desktop. YMMV Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
If you are going to manage your systems so poorly, you aren't going to get much sympathy when you complain. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: No, not everyone Tom, just people who approach management of multiple computers the same way Chevy Chase approches a comedic scene. Clearly, M$ has managed to make updates such a tangled mess that you need to install special software to manage it all. Not so on the Mac. Or, you just keep cursing the darkness. Darkness being a code word for M$ I presume. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Adobe site says Win XP SP 2 is the requirement...were you running these systems with just SP 1? Pre SP 1? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Maybe you shouldn't have waited to download SP3 until the day after Windows 7 RC, which is a 2.6 GB d/l, is released to great demand. There always seems to be some excuse. Everybody knows not to do this on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, or whatever. The bottom line is that I needed to do something fairly ordinary and it didn't work and the reason it didn't work was at their end. SP3 has been out for over 6 months. Chalk it up to poor network management on your part. I don't know of any responsible manager who applies SPs before they have been out for many months. We let guys like you do M$' beta testing. You should try Windows Server Update Service (WSUS). That looked like a great idea. Thanks for pointing it out. But then I started reading M$ tech notes on it. Download this, then download that, then configure this and configure that, then download some more and configure some more. Then if 'A' then don't do 'B'. On and on. Looks to me like it would be an even worse experience than the original problem it is supposed to solve. And no guarantees that it would even work or continue to work without lots of maintenance. I guess you see that as normal, but I see it as just another M$ mess. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not Reconsidering Cancelled Picnic
Did it not say it was cutting staff in and outside the US? Sent from my iPod On May 5, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/05/microsoft_job_losses/ Looks like focus is on cutting US jobs while adding staff outside of US. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple match made in Twitter??
http://digg.com/d1qMHO Techradar reporting Apple may be in talks to buy twitter for upwards of 700 million. What? Anyone know TR's track record? Anyone have thoughts on why Apple would want Twitter? If Ashton comes with the deal I say walk away... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
Always helpful Tom. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Comments? You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] EMachines Recovery Disc cutoff date
I helped backchannel as to avoid your usual knee jerk reactions. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Always helpful Tom. You get what you pay for. Time to pay some more. Look. Somebody bought a cheap computer too many years ago and now finds that the vendor has walked away from it. You want me to shed a tear? What a bunch of crap. You get what you pay for. I don't see you offering any help. Why not? Do you just steer people into making poor computer decisions and then watch them sink? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] blackberry os
I've got a pearl I've been experiencing problems with lately. I get probably over 100 text msgs a day, lately I've not been able to send MMS..I get a clock symbol to show it's sending and it never times out nor fail. I'm going to call or stop in at a tmobile in a day or two, but since you brought up BB I thought perhaps you had an idea of what is wrong? This problem just started out of the blue. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I might go for an iPhone if it didn't come with such an awful provider attached but I also like real buttons on a keyboard which most of the Blackberries have. Not to mention a battery that goes for longer than 4 hours. I'd like to trade my 8700g in for a Curve, but I'd also like a 3G network and not EDGE. EDGE sucks for web surfing. I'd have to switch off of T-Mobile or get a G-1 for that. RIM just makes rock-solid hardware and OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Redmond took the business from linux. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Try Linux. How do you account for that 1% market share while Apple increased to 10%. Looks like Apple was taking business away from both Windows and Linux over this last year. I expected to see more of a Net Book bounce for Linux. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Show You Net Books Done Right
Again, wording. Now the iphone is a full blown computer, skipping over netbook and no mention of phone. It really doesn't matter what you call it, it's what it is for whomever buys it. I use my touch to control two computers via VNC, perhaps we are heading towards a place where these items aren't computers, but interfaces to the real power behind the scenes...behind your tv or a server in a back closet. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: If people are already using iPhone/iTouch as computers, it takes little imagination to see a jumbo iPhone/iTouch being even better at it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple building a new team
http://digg.com/d1pwjX Apple is hiring folks from semi conductor sectors...two from AMD recently apparently. Jobs saying increasing complexity of iphones/ipods etc is behind their move to create their own chips for the products they are building. No word on if that might include CPU's for the desktop/laptop area. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
I wouldn't take my computer there for ten bux. If he doesn't know what MS is going to do, he doesn't know much of anything, it's all over the tech scene what they are doing. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that I stay with my Windows XP Home until we learn what microsoft is going to do. Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Harebrained AutoPlay Now Less Dangerous
Well it is better, but I'm not sure what you want them to do? If someone inserts a USB key, presumably they want to open it? Same with a CD..why put a cd in if there isn't something there you want to do with it? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/27/improvements-to-autoplay.aspx I think they should rip the whole thing out by its roots, but even a small step towards sanity is appreciated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no reason to go out and buy a copy of Vista. If you are purchasing a new computer which comes loaded with Vista then good, leave it. Vista has no more bugs than XP or any other OS. As far as her accuracy about Vista being discontinued, bogus. About it being too expensive to fix...bogus. It's already fixed, the part that isn't fixed are press reports and MS haters like Tom who continue attack it without any facts. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Thanks to you all. No, she did not say that. She said that Microsoft was discontinuing selling Windows Vista (actually that it already discontinued) because it would be too expensive to fix it. She meant that Microsoft decided to stop selling Windows Vista. That I then would be better off staying with the XP Home and wait to see what was coming from Microsoft. I have no doubt that this is what she said. Did not mention Premium or Business. I can´t find in Brazil a Windows Vista Upgrade from Microsoft Home XP (Portuguese). So to swith to Vista I would have to start from zero... what a pain... but I was willing to do so that I would have a Vista and wait for 7. But she said that Microsoft had decided to stop selling all Vistas in no uncertain terms. Will stay with the XP Home. Do you all see any good reason for me to buy a Vista Home (or Premium) and start from scratch? To prepare for 7? Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying that, for the cost of him installing it, you might be better off waiting a couple years for Windows 7 SP1. Or something. Anyway, MS has no intention of killing off Vista before XP, but like all versions of Windows, it's an incremental upgrade. I wouldn't buy a new computer today without it. The included UAC is about the only protection you have against malware these days. PS The version you want is Vista Home *Premium*. Do NOT get Vista Home. Maybe that's what he meant? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that I stay with my Windows XP Home until we learn what microsoft is going to do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Have an url for that because MS hasn't said when 7 will be released. The RC just came out...then GM will be out. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant comment) However here is the scoop. An Acer exec has said that Windows 7 will be released in October. We will wait and see. flavors of Vista: Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate Stewart At 03:54 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Your computer shop guy is a smart guy. Our WFBs will disagree. Is this supposed to be funny, or what? Encouraging your own list member--an individual who appears to trust CGUYS for good advice and information--continue to patronize an establishment where management is clearly clueless is a really lousy thing to do. Even you have to know that the shop owner is dead wrong about Vista being taken off the market for the reason he gave. Even you have to know that everyone on the planet except, apparently, this guy has known for a year or more what microsoft is going to do. Why mislead one of your own list members this way? Why encourage him to use a computer shop where the owner does not seem to know what he's talking about? Why would you do that? And please don't go on about how Vista sucks. That is not the point. The point is your encouraging Marcio to spend his money at a shop that is apparently run by incompetents. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30 day upgrade would kill sales now I would think. On top of MS specifically not saying when win 7 is due. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10231122-1.html?part=earthlink Stewart At 04:23 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Have an url for that because MS hasn't said when 7 will be released. The RC just came out...then GM will be out. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant comment) However here is the scoop. An Acer exec has said that Windows 7 will be released in October. We will wait and see. flavors of Vista: Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
I'd wait, 7 is close enough, stick with XP for now. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: But would`t I have to have Vista in place in order to upgrade to 7?...Or better stay with XP and wait, if I have to start from scratch with 7 so be it... Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no reason to go out and buy a copy of Vista. If you are purchasing a new computer which comes loaded with Vista then good, leave it. Vista has no more bugs than XP or any other OS. As far as her accuracy about Vista being discontinued, bogus. About it being too expensive to fix...bogus. It's already fixed, the part that isn't fixed are press reports and MS haters like Tom who continue attack it without any facts. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Thanks to you all. No, she did not say that. She said that Microsoft was discontinuing selling Windows Vista (actually that it already discontinued) because it would be too expensive to fix it. She meant that Microsoft decided to stop selling Windows Vista. That I then would be better off staying with the XP Home and wait to see what was coming from Microsoft. I have no doubt that this is what she said. Did not mention Premium or Business. I can´t find in Brazil a Windows Vista Upgrade from Microsoft Home XP (Portuguese). So to swith to Vista I would have to start from zero... what a pain... but I was willing to do so that I would have a Vista and wait for 7. But she said that Microsoft had decided to stop selling all Vistas in no uncertain terms. Will stay with the XP Home. Do you all see any good reason for me to buy a Vista Home (or Premium) and start from scratch? To prepare for 7? Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying that, for the cost of him installing it, you might be better off waiting a couple years for Windows 7 SP1. Or something. Anyway, MS has no intention of killing off Vista before XP, but like all versions of Windows, it's an incremental upgrade. I wouldn't buy a new computer today without it. The included UAC is about the only protection you have against malware these days. PS The version you want is Vista Home *Premium*. Do NOT get Vista Home. Maybe that's what he meant? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that I stay with my Windows XP Home until we learn what microsoft is going to do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
You can expect pain when you take a hammer to your fingers too. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that you will be able to upgrade directly from XP to Windows 7. Stewart At 04:34 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: But would`t I have to have Vista in place in order to upgrade to 7?...Or better stay with XP and wait, if I have to start from scratch with 7 so be it... Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no reason to go out and buy a copy of Vista. If you are purchasing a new computer which comes loaded with Vista then good, leave it. Vista has no more bugs than XP or any other OS. As far as her accuracy about Vista being discontinued, bogus. About it being too expensive to fix...bogus. It's already fixed, the part that isn't fixed are press reports and MS haters like Tom who continue attack it without any facts. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Thanks to you all. No, she did not say that. She said that Microsoft was discontinuing selling Windows Vista (actually that it already discontinued) because it would be too expensive to fix it. She meant that Microsoft decided to stop selling Windows Vista. That I then would be better off staying with the XP Home and wait to see what was coming from Microsoft. I have no doubt that this is what she said. Did not mention Premium or Business. I can´t find in Brazil a Windows Vista Upgrade from Microsoft Home XP (Portuguese). So to swith to Vista I would have to start from zero... what a pain... but I was willing to do so that I would have a Vista and wait for 7. But she said that Microsoft had decided to stop selling all Vistas in no uncertain terms. Will stay with the XP Home. Do you all see any good reason for me to buy a Vista Home (or Premium) and start from scratch? To prepare for 7? Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying that, for the cost of him installing it, you might be better off waiting a couple years for Windows 7 SP1. Or something. Anyway, MS has no intention of killing off Vista before XP, but like all versions of Windows, it's an incremental upgrade. I wouldn't buy a new computer today without it. The included UAC is about the only protection you have against malware these days. PS The version you want is Vista Home *Premium*. Do NOT get Vista Home. Maybe that's what he meant? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that I stay with my Windows XP Home until we learn what microsoft is going to do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member
[CGUYS] Computer Shops Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Local news station here tested half a dozen shops, before taking the computer in they remove the ribbon cable from the HD and told the tech that the computer had just stopped working. Five shops had problems from under 100 to hundreds of dollars to fix, one shop the owner told her what the problem was and he couldn't take her money for such a small issue. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: He said it not me. However they have usually done this type of free upgrade and most software sellers do it as an inducement to get them to keep buying before a new release comes out. Stewart At 04:46 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30 day upgrade would kill sales now I would think. On top of MS specifically not saying when win 7 is due. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10231122-1.html?part=earthlink Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade price. You just have to wipe the machine... On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that you will be able to upgrade directly from XP to Windows 7. No, it appears that you will be able to do an in-place upgrade from Vista, but not from XP. If you have XP, a clean install will be required. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
