Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves Digital TV Delay
Tom Piwowar wrote: Yes we all know that Stewart and his neighbors, clinging to their guns and religion, hold the monopoly on righteousness. No, No! Those people are my neighbors here in PA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Scanned
Tom Piwowar wrote: This list is not about being stupid. Damn! I knew I was in the wrong place! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If you do some research, or just watch the more informative news programs, you will find out that tax cuts do little or nothing to stimulate the economy. (and certainly nothing for people without jobs) Check this graph:http://flickr.com/photos/9818...@n03/3232223191/ Infrastructure, whether keeping up the Mall or updating the electrical grid is the best place for new spending. Snyder, Mark (IT-EI) wrote: That is an excessively pessimistic response to the idea of repairing the Mall as one recovery project. I would not think that looking around for items of public importance that are suffering neglect is reckless, the way the post implies. An effective recovery package needs elements of both. Letting people keep more of their money seems to be a mantra for all seasons from the right. Does that idea ever get any rest? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Perhaps we should wreck the Mall on a monthly basis! Just think of how we could grow the economy, constantly rebuilding it. Even more, if we break all the windows in the the museums along the Mall too. But, heavens no, don't let people keep more of their money. They'll just bury it in old coffee cans in their back yard. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Not to mention the trillion and a half thrown away on a useless elective war which has inflamed the Middle East, that even Bush senior wasn't belligerent enough to get into! gerald wrote: did you post this during the bush adm? why you out of the woodwork today? compare this mess to the bush printing press? did you call imholf or whoever your republican senator is when he did this? did you write ugly letters to the wsj and scream bluddy murder when they cheered on the trillion dollar dump to the wall street big banks? where WERE you? why you out now?? i quit, you quit. At 03:56 PM 1/29/2009, you wrote: So recovery projects should not include a criteria for Things that are Important to us (and that need repair)? What should the criteria be? I know that it's fashionable to be a Keynesian again, but I don't buy into the notion that it's in our best interest to spend trillions of dollars we don't have, so we can mortgage our relatively minor pain today, so our kids and grand kids (and probably their grand kids) can hopefully pay it off down the road. That, and I'd rather carry my cash in a wallet and not a wheelbarrow. So are you proposing that by keeping all of Your Money, you will do a better job at recovery than the gov't? The government won't cause the economy to truly recover by spending monopoly money, nor will I alone with my real dollars. The economy will recover the way it always does; incrementally and gradually through normal economic activity. The Treasury artificially propping up home prices won't help with that, nor will propping up businesses that should have rightfully gone under from their incompetence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom Piwowar wrote: did you write ugly letters to the wsj and scream bluddy murder when they cheered on the trillion dollar dump to the wall street big banks? You forgot to mention those bundles of $100 bills that were tossed around with wild abandon (and no records kept). Hey, if we're willing to throw that kind of money away in another country and have nothing positive to show for it, (and lots if negative to show for it)we should be willing to put a couple trillion into the infrastructure of this country. It would be smart to borrow in order to make the country stronger. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
The 700B TARP was intended ONLY to rescue the entire financial system so that the whole economy wouldn't collapse, and, as bad as things are now and may worsen, it has served that purpose. And the participants received LOANS, at hefty interest rates, which have a good chance of being repaid. If not, Uncle Sam is first in line to receive remaining assets if they go bankrupt. Now, Obama and the Democrats trillion dollar dump is exactly that, a huge gamble that it will create jobs, when spending never has in the past. That trillion will come from the Chinese, and they may not continue lending, once all this spending causes inflation to rear its ugly head. How do you think we got out of the last depression? The WPA, Civilian Conservation Corps, and the National Recovery Act created jobs and made the country stronger. These jobs were bringing the country out of the depression before we got into the war. TARP was throwing money at irresponsible people who were greedy and screwed the people of this country. Stop getting your history from right wing media. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Thank-you Tom, But honestly, I don't know why you bother with these guys. I know it is the duty of the informed to push back against the ignorant, especially after the disaster of the last 8 years, but where do you find the patience? Tom Piwowar wrote: Tax cuts are not spending. The money is not the government's it is the taxpayer's money. The neocon mantra. Irrational, but constantly repeated. Of course tax cuts are spending. To deny that is more cracked economics of the sort that got us into this mess. There is direction - the direction of the individual. What there is not is central direction with government overhead deducted. More neocon mantra. That is no direction. Unless you turn all the recipients into zombies there will be no direction to the spending. It will be random. A tax cut is much like walking down the street handing out $100 bills to all you meet. Too much will go for beer and bling. It will dissipate our limited resources. Are you arguing that the government is more efficient and should direct all spending? I think the Soviets tried that for a while. More neocon mantra. You careen from one extreme to the other. Both extremes are nonsensical. No the Soviets did not try it for a while. They ran their system on blind ideology, just as the neocons would have us do. Do you know of a single corporation that simply gives money to its employees and tells them to freely do what they want? I think not. Then why do you insist that the government should be run this way? Sheer nonsense. Nonsense - what proportion of the economy do you think should be directed by the government? It is a simple question. Only neocons and communists think that is a simple question. A large part of of our non-economy is run by businesses, causing great problems. That is why health care is such a mess. Health care is not an economic good. In areas where the market does not function it is simply nuts to operate as if it does. There are some areas where the market functions well. Other areas where it never functions well. In the middle there are areas where the market sometimes functions and sometimes does not. That changes over time. It is certainly not simple. There is also a role for rule making and enforcement. Laissez faire is what created the current economic mess. Can you name any sport that does not have a referee? Can you imagine what the Super Bowl would look like if the game were played with neocon rules? It would be absurd. As it happens my child required thousands of dollars of medical expenses this past year, as did my wife. My choice is paying those bills or saving for college. Retirement is not even a consideration. Are my taxes still to low Tom? That prooves the point. With health care (mostly a non-economic good) in the clutches of greedy corporations that is exactly what happens. They bleed the sick so they can engorge their bonuses. Look at how the Europeans run this. Their cost of delivery is far lower than ours and the quality of their results are much higher. None of what you describe would happen in a well run system. It doesn't happen to Europeans. I think you need to read less propaganda, keep away from extremes, and find out more about how the world really works. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Steve at Verizon wrote: Tom, I think you are misusing the term neocon. Most of what you disagree with the right on are conservative principles, such as minimal government. Neocons are a special breed of folks, who used to be liberal, but switched to being conservative (hence the neo) primarily for foreign relations concerns. Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle are primary examples of neocons. Ain't anything neo about Cheney or Bush; always been conservative. (Actually, many conservatives don't count Bush, with his out of control spending, huge Medicare drug program, liberal immigration policy, TARP, etc.) If you just want to be pejorative, then just refer to those mean and nasty conservatives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative I think you are being pretty accurate about the neocons. Here is a very good article about the start of the neocon policies with Scoop Jackson in the 70s: http://tinyurl.com/d2br87 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom Piwowar wrote: Of course it wasn't the home sellers and home buyers. They're just innocent bystanders. For the most part they are. Most people know less about buying real estate than they know about buying computers. Just look at how many people buy Windows because somebody told them to. If they knew what they were doing they would never do that. You do realize that you were sort of on topic for a moment there, don't you?! Watch it buddy! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Taxes and good life
I apologize to those who are sick of seeing non-computer stuff here. I've mentioned before, the common knowledge that the people in countries there the taxes are high tend to feel more satisfied with life. So I dug up an article and a study to with charts and graphs that show this. One talks about measures of well being, and is a pdf from Deutche Bank: http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/PROD00202587.pdf The other is an article from MSN Money that lists tax burdens of industrialized countries. (I know, it might be another Microsoft plot) http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp Interesting stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. I don't think it's rational to view life through a God lens, or make decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. I don't agree. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. The rural areas of Europe do this to a far greater degree than here. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). I believe this is more true here. 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. The radical right has worked for years to make people believe this. But it doesn't have to be that way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gmail offline
Google was broken for a while this morning: http://tinyurl.com/brkao8 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Matthew Taylor wrote: On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jordan wrote: John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. I don't think it's rational to view life through a God lens, or make decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. Wow - for many people religion = moral code of ethics. What should inform their decisions? Either you are moral or you are not. It comes from empathy. There is even some evidence that there is a genetic element to this. 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. I don't agree. Which part? Certainly the US has embraces small town and rural culture in a big way. How? As for disdained urban life, certainly a part of US society does and has, clearly another part has embraced it. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. The rural areas of Europe do this to a far greater degree than here. Citations please. For starters, watch travel shows. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). I believe this is more true here. More true than in Europe with its much higher population density? The need for a good government can be more important in rural areas where there is less economic incentive for developing infrastructure. Again travel shows and reading about communities and social structure in Europe show a respect for farmers and what they do and how they do it. The general population in Europe is much more interested in good healthy food than here. 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. The radical right has worked for years to make people believe this. But it doesn't have to be that way. I am neither radical right nor left. My experience with government, both personally and as a contractor to, has not left me with a positive impression of government. Then Bush and the boys were successful! If you want to see documentation of this, read _The Wrecking Crew_ by Thomas Frank or check out this article about the book: http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/0082132 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom Piwowar wrote: It was a natural (and expected) correction to an artificially inflated market. Plenty of blame to go around. But, you go right ahead with your banker fetish. Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big picture. The major part of the housing crisis was triggered by banks that were too quick to foreclose. If they had worked out the mortgages, most of the houses would still be occupied and money would be flowing to the banks. Instead they foreclosed and now have bupkis. The rest of us are hurt because there are too many empty houses on the market. The situation will self-correct in phase II. The now empty houses are now being raided by scavengers. First they pull the appliances. Then they come back for building parts. Third pass rips out the electric wiring for the copper and any metal plumbing. The resulting house is unsellable and uneconomic to repair. Local communities need to get tough on these banks. They need to send out building inspectors and levy hevy fines on banks that fail to maintain the property they own. For many communities this would be a money maker. A fine capitalistic incentive to enforce the laws. Bankers are idiots. They should be compelled to give back the fat bonuses they paid themselves. But, of course, this was all caused by deregulation and blinders about the results. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Giving a poor person a hand up becomes income redistribution. This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure what countries you are referring to. Not that you need my endorsement, but one of the things that the truly religious have traditionally done is provide help for the poor. As You Have Done Unto the Least of These, You Have Done Unto Me Then there's the thing about throwing the money lenders out of the temple. An interesting parallel to our current situation. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I prefer to help those who need it than do what many eastern countries do. Nothing. Stewart At 03:48 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care about the product it sent out. It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by Canada earlier this year. This should have been the fist tip off something was wrong. Again government agencies did not communicate with others. Doesn't lax government naturally result in lack of regulation. This reminds me of the nasty stuff coming out of China as a result of it's experiment with capitalism. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf and was able to cut and paste freely. The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but Preview on Mac OS X had no problem. gerald wrote: it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report). i presume it is made with Adobe software as the feds have long been a big supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs into house. i cannot imagine they would lock it. however, when i try to do cut and paste in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out. i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password so i guess the document is locked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are about the least effective way to help the economy. Chris Dunford wrote: l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Verizon I have no complaint with a progressive tax system. The difference is that in the past we collected less income tax from the poor and now we don't collect any income tax from the poor but give our income tax money to them. Well, I'm not sure what this has to do with Obama. Your complaint has to do with our basic fiscal system, not with Obama. He didn't create or control the system you don't like, nor is he radically changing it. Complaints that he wants to redistribute the wealth ignore that fact that we already do that, and he had nothing to do with it. You might as well accuse Bush of wanting to redistribute wealth, since this is the system that was in place during his two terms. Reagan's, too. Y'all are acting like he has some radical, wild-eyed plan to soak the rich and give it all to the poor. He doesn't. It's just tweaking. (And by the way, under Obama's plan, even the top 1% will have lower average rates than they did in the 90s--so much for soaking the rich.) It's just not all that different from what we've been doing for lo these many years, and yet somehow Obama is a Marxist. It makes no sense. Now we have beaten to death the point that they pay other taxes, you seem to approve of giving out income tax money to the working poor to compensate for the other taxes they pay. We've beaten it to death, yet you still insist on sticking the word income into these complaints? They point is, they pay federal taxes, and they're going to get some of it back. No one is getting back more than they paid, which is what the conservative media are implying. I would prefer that those other taxes be lowered for the poor instead Me too. Unfortunately, it takes time for tax rate reductions to have any effect. Rebates are essentially retroactive tax rate decreases, surely? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
No problem copying and pasting with Preview. Interesting! gerald wrote: link http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
OK, not everybody! Tom Piwowar wrote: And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are about the least effective way to help the economy. One of my first posts likened tax cuts to spreading money around randomly, with no purpose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom Piwowar wrote: If you remember, in 2006, Iraq was at its worst. Highest US and Iraqi casualties, general concensus (at least on the left) that Iraq was in a civil war. Harry Reid stated that the war was lost. The left was vehement about giving up on this mess and leaving the Iraqis to just fight it out among themselves. They were horrified of the Bush proposal to escalate the war with a surge and the counter-insurgency policy of Gen. Betrayus. Obama tried to stop the surge with the Act cited. And at that time, he was with the left on wanting a date certain to withdraw, the idea being that it would put pressure on the Iraqi government to take charge of their own affairs. Iraq did not start to calm down until we started seriously discussing a definite withdrawal date. Doing that changed the discussion. It made it clear to the Iraquis that we were not intending to occupy them forever. This changed many Iraqui's attitudes. Bush also got rid of the nutty ideologue Rumsfeld and replaced him with the rational Gates. Having someone in charge who is rational is a big plus. The radicals also overplayed their hand. The Iraquis grew madder at them than they were at the US. They figured out that working with the US they could get rid of the radicals and then the US woud leave. It took a while for rationality to take hold. If only we could be so successful with the cons/neocons. The American military also threw wads of hundred dollar bills at the insurgents. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If anyone is interested in a well documented and easy read, with lots of graphs, about the recovery after 1933, go here: http://bonddad.dailykos.com/ Scroll down to The Great Depression, Pt. I - IV * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Palin is great for the media because she's such a wacko. It seems to me that if you aren't aware of that, then you just aren't paying attention. Specifically, you mentioned small government. If you go here: http://tinyurl.com/cyn3o5 and look for an article starting with Palin As Reformer, you can get some background on her. Both as mayor of Wasilla and as governor, Palin has aggressively sought federal earmarks, and has a friendlier relationship with indicted GOP senator Ted Stevens than one would expect for a good-government crusader. She has fired employees who she sees as disloyal. And, in a move reminiscent of the Bush-Cheney White House, she has stonewalled legitimate efforts by the legislature to uncover the truth in the Trooper-Gate affair. The article goes on to list some more of her reformist credentials. Each item on the list includes links to articles to back it up. Have fun! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
As far as Palin's religion goes, check out this article: http://tinyurl.com/6rwm5y It's called Palin's Movement Urges 'Godly' To 'Plunder' Wealth of The 'Godless' * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Matthew S. Taylor wrote: And now you reference the Huff Po? Do you read anything that is not an organ of the left? Everything I gave a link to had links to generally well researched articles sighting points of fact. Research things down to the facts. The fact speak for themselves. Sounds like you only trust the talking points from Rush and Fuax News. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Matthew S. Taylor wrote: McCain was never in the least bit tempting for me (due to his attitudes toward mere free speech and such) until he picked Palin. Then I seriously thought about voting for her for her small government views in spite of her cultural conservatism. All I can say is WOW!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...
I don't understand. Sorting by thread in Thunderbird keeps every subject separate. Am I missing something? Ralph wrote: I have two gmail accounts - my regular one that I download into Thunderbird, and this one that I read online. Since the online Gmail interface collates messages by Subject line, it removes the need to subscribe using the Digest option. Those voluminous threads you refer to, appear as one-line that can be easily skipped, if you wish. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
b_s-wilk wrote: Medium-sized family-owned farms are the most efficient in the long-run. They get fewer subsidies [by %] than the large factory farms. Mid-sized farms not only have high yields, they also protect the land, with farmers living on the farms, unlike corporate farms. Corporate lobbies are putting smaller farms out of business. The US corporate farms throughout Latin America have lower costs but are significantly more destructive to the land and the people [ex.: pineapples in Costa Rica, fish farms in Chilean desert, cattle in Brazilian rainforest]. It's in the best interests of everyone except corporate agribusiness to protect mid-sized family farms because they are our future. Correct! Giant agri-business, with the support of our government, has been mining our soil for many years now. Healthy soil is a living thing. Much of our top soil and organic matter is gone. The rich farmland of our midwest is a dieing shadow of its former self due to chemical use and corporate farming methods. Thanks to lobbyists from Monsanto and other chemical companies, the farm subsidies have been designed to put small farms out of business and promote GM seed and chemicals. NAIS ( National Animal Identification System) was designed to put the small farms raising animals out of business and encourage producing your meat and eggs in cruel and inhumane conditions. Due to corporate lobbying many of the regulations regarding our food are written without regard to health or sustainability of the land, animals or consumers, and with the intension of making life difficult for small local producers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Audio transfer
I've been using Audio HiJack and Fission from RogueAmoeba for years and it seems like good stuff to me. You could check it out: http://www.rogueamoeba.com/fission/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Many of us religious types do not identify with their so-called religious beliefs. They claim religious underpinning but are not really religious. Hence, the ironic speculations during the Bush years about who would Jesus torture or what would Jesus drive. Maybe you would also agree that there are millions of people who are not religious at all who are at least as virtuous as those who claim to have great faith. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Daisy-chain wired/wireless hubs/routers?
Mike Sloane wrote: I have an office with an 8-port Ethernet router on a broadband cable connection. I have been requested the ability to provide some wireless capability temporarily (for outside auditors). I have a spare 4-port wired/wireless Linksys broadband router, and I was wondering if I could daisy-chain the latter to the former by using a cross-over cable between one of the Ethernet ports on each unit. I know that I can daisy chain Ethernet hubs this way, but have not ever tried to do it with wireless (802.11a/b/g/n) connections. My other thought is to plug the wired/wireless into the broadband connection and then patch the 8-port hub into that. Before I start chasing the impossible dream, I was wondering if anyone had tried it or had any thoughts. Maybe you've already done whatever you are going to do but I was browsing through the pdf user manual for my D-Link router and saw their instructions for connection to another router. It seems to back up what others said here. D-Lnk DIR-615 User Manual If you are connecting the D-Link router to another router to use as a wireless access point and/or switch, you will have to do the following before connecting the router to your network: ⢠Disable UPnP⢠⢠Disable DHCP ⢠Change the LAN IP address to an available address on your network. The LAN ports on the router cannot accept a DHCP address from your other router. To connect to another router, please follow the steps below: 1. Plug the power into the router. Connect one of your computers to the router (LAN port) using an Ethernet cable. Make sure your IP address on the computer is 192.168.0.xxx (where xxx is between 2 and 254). Please see the Networking.Basics section for more information. If you need to change the settings, write down your existing settings before making any changes. In most cases, your computer should be set to receive an IP address automatically in which case you will not have to do anything to your computer. 2. Open a web browser and enter http://192.168.0.1 and press Enter. When the login window appears, set the user name to Admin and leave the password box empty. Click Log.In to continue. 3. Click on Advanced and then click Advanced.Network. Uncheck the Enable UPnP checkbox. Click Save.Settings to continue. 4. Click Setup and then click Network.Settings. Uncheck the Enable DHCP Server server checkbox. Click Save. Settings to continue. 5. Under Router Settings, enter an available IP address and the subnet mask of your network. Click Save.Settings to save your settings. Use this new IP address to access the configuration utility of the router in the future. Close the browser and change your computerâs IP settings back to the original values as in Step 1. Connect to Another Router Secton - Installaton 6. Disconnect the Ethernet cable from the router and reconnect your computer to your network. 7. Connect an Ethernet cable in one of the LAN ports of the router and connect it to your other router. Do not plug anything into the Internet port of the D-Link router. 8. You may now use the other 3 LAN ports to connect other Ethernet devices and computers. To configure your wireless network, open a web browser and enter the IP address you assigned to the router. Refer to the Configuration and Wireless Security sections for more information on setting up your wireless network. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Router security
I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email. Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut security off. I have not seen anything yet that addresses problems or any particular settings for enabling email. Any suggestions? I'm using OS X 10.5 and Thunderbird. Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
B1suncat wrote: Does WPA security close ports for mail? Different ports for secure email -- in, port 995 (SSL), out 587/465 (TLS/SSL) for TBird server settings. Betty Sent from my iPod Touch Well, you are just so cool! I'll keep reading up on what it might do as far as messing with ports. It might have just been a glitch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Router security
Tom Piwowar wrote: I am experimenting with WPA wireless security on my D-Link router. I thought it was working but then it stopped incoming or outgoing email. Web browsing was still working well. Email worked again when I shut security off. You need to find out what your router does when you turn security on. My router has several screens that list and control what security does when it is turned on. Probably the most important screen is the one that controls ports. Different services pass through the router via these numbered ports. Port 80 is for HTTP (Web browsing). Port 25 is the standard port used for SMTP connections (the outbound part of email). Etc. Your router's screen will probably list the most common port numbers and define them. Before you turn on security you need to check the list of ports that your router is set to block and adjust it to your needs. I left security off yesterday and let the router set it up with its wizard last night and everything is working well. I don't know if the email problem after the first try was a glitch or if there is something I did not do when I set it up manually. I learned to have a distrust of wizards in my Windows years, and I still always try to do things manually just because it helps me learn what going on, and nothing gets messed with that I don't want messed with. Thanks Tom and Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Thank you Betty, db, Vicky, and others. It's good to read the thoughts of some more true patriots here. A distillation of what Betty referred to regarding Raygun and his methods occurs now: the way things work on the right blogosphere, some radical winger will say something twisted or half true or just fabricated. Then 3 other right wing sites will repeat the lie and site each other as sources. Then this lie will appear in the mainstream press as if it were an established fact. Check former conservative David Brock's web site Media Matters to see occurrences of this and lots of other shenanigans that are going on. The legendary example is Chalabi and the White House Iraq group telling Judy Miller that there were WMDs, she puts a story about it in the NY Times, and Chaney sites it as fact. Rush Limbaugh, Drudge, and Fox News do this all the time. It's called the echo chamber. If you do any reading at these places, try to check their sources down to verifiable research, studies, or reports. If you read on the left blogosphere, Media Matters, TPM Muckraker, and Huffington Post you'll typically see links to legitimate researched reports. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Tom Piwowar wrote: No WPA and ports are distinct. WPA should not mess with email, ports certainly can. I should mention that some ISPs block the standard email prots, so you have to use special non-standard ports they designate. Security for such ports woule need to be set up manually. Interesting: After about 17 hours, I just had another problem sending and receiving email. This time I checked the online gmail and sure enough, gmail was having a problem. It could be that both these occurrences where gmail problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Steve at Verizon wrote: You keep forgetting that we do not elect a president by popular vote. Get the Constitution changed if you want it that way. And it was 7 Justices who overruled the Fla Supreme Courts decision (The 5-4 vote was for remanding it back to them). Oh, OK. It's better if there were 7 crooked judges. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Jeff Miles wrote: I'm hardly as in the know as either Tom or Jeff W, but my experience has been, contrary to all the hype it gets, gmail is very unreliable. Thankfully I only have one address hooked to them and my mail program checks it at the same time it checks all the others. Gmail seems to have problems at the very least once a week. I'm sorry your gmail breaks so often. Including the 2, yesterday and today,(assuming yesterday was their problem) I've had a problem 3 times. I'll keep an eye on them though, as I tinker with security. I am using 995 for incoming and 587 for outgoing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Matthew Taylor wrote: Now we get to the heart of the matter. Crooked = disagrees with your position. Got it. Please try to resist the impulse to say such ignorant things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Thank you Chris, Unless a person is actually broadminded, curious, or both, they won't look at a site like MM and see for them selves what we are talking about. If they are not broadminded or curious they'll resort to knee jerk responses and never look or understand, no matter how many times you tell them. By the way, there's a new article on Kos documenting how the right manipulates the media and scares the public in just the way we are talking about here. http://tinyurl.com/ahv9vz Chris Dunford wrote: Didn't notice him saying that he limited his sources to these, did you? The conservatives love to refer to Media Matters as a left wing smear site. The problem with this is, MM documents *everything* it says with links to external materials, often to original sources. It's pretty hard to call something a smear when it uses original documents to prove that what you said was wrong. Well, I guess it's not *that* hard, since O'Reilly and others do it constantly. Repetition-makes-truth in action. The conservative commentators keep talking about how the rescue bill includes $4.something billion for ACORN; MM documents the falsity of this using links to the bill itself. Bernie Goldberg butchers the Brokaw/Rose interview; MM provides links to the actual interview so you can see what Brokaw really said. Limbaugh keeps saying that Obama favors infanticide (seriously); MM provides links to the original Illinois bill, Obama's comments, and the recorded vote showing that many Republicans took the same position. It goes on and on and on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] router security
Thanks for all the input. The problems I have experienced are of little or no consequence so far. I was just tinkering with router security to gain a better understanding of it. Now it seems likely that the problem was not with the router at all. If indeed the problem is totally with gmail, it is still of little consequence, since it is isolated to a short period of time on 2 days. Yesterday when I had the problem, I went to a gmail help page and there was a message apologizing and explaining the problem. I'll see if there is a problem again today. Thanks again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Matthew Taylor wrote: I have not seen MM's take on Obama's support of infaticide, but it is real. I have read the original bill. I have read the final bill after it was modified to meet Obama's and other's objections. At the end of the day it was legal in Illinois for living infants to be allowed to die with no medical or pallitive assistance and that was a position Obama preferred as a matter of law. In what way is that not support for at least passive Infanticide? It matters not at all to the question of O's views that some R's also supported it. Obama and other opponents said the bills posed a threat to abortion rights and were unnecessary because, they said, Illinois law already prohibited the conduct that these bills purported to address. Read something other than right wing smear sites. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
mike wrote: Well this can be said in both directions, I don't see many of my liberal friends who populate the Kos and MM and Huffington post spending much time at conservative blogs...these blogs are just lying liars who lie. Very open minded. Generally speaking most people gavitate towards views they already hold, it's disconcerting to spend time challanging ones own views, this is a human trait, not a left or right wing one. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Chris, Unless a person is actually broadminded, curious, or both, they won't look at a site like MM and see for them selves what we are talking about. If they are not broadminded or curious they'll resort to knee jerk responses and never look or understand, no matter how many times you tell them. By the way, there's a new article on Kos documenting how the right manipulates the media and scares the public in just the way we are talking about here. http://tinyurl.com/ahv9vz Perhaps you missed the post below. Try actually going to and reading left and right sites and see if and how they back up what they say. Then decide who is more legitimate. The way things work on the right blogosphere, some radical winger will say something twisted or half true or just fabricated. Then 3 other right wing sites will repeat the lie and site each other as sources. Then this lie will appear in the mainstream press as if it were an established fact. Check former conservative David Brock's web site Media Matters to see occurrences of this and lots of other shenanigans that are going on. The legendary example is Chalabi and the White House Iraq group telling Judy Miller that there were WMDs, she puts a story about it in the NY Times, and Chaney sites it as fact. Rush Limbaugh, Drudge, and Fox News do this all the time. It's called the echo chamber. If you do any reading at these places, try to check their sources down to verifiable research, studies, or reports. If you read on the left blogosphere, Media Matters, TPM Muckraker, and Huffington Post you'll typically see links to legitimate researched reports. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Jeff Wright wrote: libertarians There are many fine elements to the libertarian point of view. They are also the party of I've got mine, screw you way of thinking. That is not what this country should be about and it would be disastrous in our current economic situation. Maybe you've forgotten how this topic started: I've mentioned before, the common knowledge that the people in countries there the taxes are high tend to feel more satisfied with life. So I dug up an article and a study with charts and graphs that show this. One talks about measures of well being, and is a pdf from Deutche Bank: http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/PROD00202587.pdf The other is an article from MSN Money that lists tax burdens of industrialized countries. (I know, it might be another Microsoft plot) http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Ray Rheault wrote: I've concluded after reading through this thread that you may be (and there are plenty of contenders) the winner of the Legend in His Own Mind award. I congratulate you. Well put Ray! The way this discussion died reminds me of a conversation at a picnic of my wife's stamp club. It was a few years ago and we were talking about the Iraq war. Some thought it was a good thing, some knew it was a disaster. Then the wife of one of the members said something like we can trust Bush because he is a man of god. Conversation stopped. There's not much sense in trying to have a rational discussion with someone with blind faith. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redefining history [was: Taxes and good life]
Vicky Staubly wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, mike wrote: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article3207311.ece That's a ridiculous headline (World Not Running Out Of Oil). I can see World Not Running Out Of Oil As Quickly As Predicted, or even World Not Running Out Of Oil In This Century. But, as I'm not aware of new reserves of oil being generated underground, we will run out eventually. And, I feel safe in saying, we will run out of oil sooner than we will run out of solar power (something on the order of 5 billion years from now). Even the article itself really only addresses the next decade. Many countries in the world are developing rapidly. (China in particular) They tend to want to live like we do, meaning in particular, many millions more cars. The article doesn't seem to address that. To say nothing of the pollution that these new oil extraction methods cause. Anyone who is well informed about this subject understands the precarious energy era we are heading into. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Solar Energy and Redefining history
Also, the evacuated tube solar collectors you can get now are much more efficient at extracting energy from the sun than pv collectors. They don't make electricity but they are great for home and hot water heating. I've seen them producing fairly hot water on a cloudy day. Check it out: http://www.sunmaxxsolar.com/evacuated-tube-solar-collectors.php b_s-wilk wrote: In the '80s, after we built our solar house, the nuclear power industry put out a series of expensive TV and full page magazine and newspaper ads with this message: Solar will be a wonderful source of energy in maybe 30 to 50 years, and until then, you can use clean nuclear power [US Council for Energy Awareness]. I'd sit in our 75 degree greenhouse on a sunny cold 15 degree winter day, watching those astroturf ads on TV. As a result people built more sparsely insulated 1950's style homes, ignored the solar industry and wasted $billions. I live in Maryland. We don't get much sun in the winter. The house is a passive solar design that cost around 3-5% more than neighboring homes. Our backup heat is propane. Since you probably have little direct involvement with the solar industry, it's not surprising that you would say that you need a sunny climate to use solar energy. It's being used in Manitoba and Saskatchewan where combined solar and super-insulation with air to air heat exchangers can reduce winter energy consumption by over 50%. Swedes also use solar ponds. Every house in the southern and southwestern United States could use solar for heating, cooling and hot water, but few do. Most buildings in the rest of the US could use passive solar and some form of super-insulation as retrofits, and especially in new construction, plus photovoltaics [but that usually requires subsidy]. The technology is good, available, and affordable, but the subsidies are almost nothing compared to what oil, gas, nuclear, coal industries get. Might change if enough people get accurate information and ignore the naysayers. Perhaps alternative energy should be subsidized at the same level as fossil fuels and nukes, or get rid of all subsidies and see which technologies survive longest. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! [was Redefining history]
db wrote: Can you buy those 65 mpg clean diesels in the US? Who makes them... VW? No, you can't. Google 65 mpg clean diesels to see articles. I saw articles on a Ford, and a Mini, and a VW. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Batteries rebuilt
Some time ago, there was discussion on the list about getting rechargeable batteries rebuilt. I can't remember if anyone came up with a link to such a service. My wife came upon a web site by a guy named Kevin Kelly that I've been checking out. (http://kk.org/) He has a section called cool tools where someone put in an entry about a company called Primecell. http://www.primecell.com/ I might try them out for the batteries for an old 7.2V Makita that I've had for about 15 years. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! -- OT! POL
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: This is a better video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s The Hummer was originally designed for the Military and off road use. It has a wider track and was not really designed for civilian use on the highway. (In other words, it was not made to be a hauler of things, but a mover of people.) It also has a number of configurations it can be used as (Ambulance, pickup, High Pickup, stake truck, people hauler etc.) As far as I know, for many years the Hummers sold to the public are just Chevy Tahoes with an extra heavy, super unaerodynamic body. I've actually read that the #1 complaint from Hummer owners iscan you guess? Poor gas mileage! DUH? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What? Me Worry? - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! -- OT! POL
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It also allowed GM to manufacture and produce the variations called Hummer 2 and Hummer 3 (I think) which were based on civilian frames etc. (The Tahoe) Some were manufactured where I grew up in Shreveport LA GM Plant which made the S-10/Canyon (Hummer 3). The terminator was one of the first to popularize the original Hummer during Desert Storm. If you have ever driven one, (I have) they are big honking vehicles and not all that comfortable. I am sure they spruced it up for the civilian market, but I would not be interested. It was made for off road use (I have had it in the woods and it is great there, can do almost a vertical climb.) as I said has a wide track and sits very high. But it is not economical. Read the wikipedia article and then look at the GM site and the AM General site for more info. I've been reading quality car magazines (Car and Driver, Road and Track) for 35 years and they've had several test drives of the various Hummers. Definitely not very desirable or practical vehicles. The Hummer was always a rich boys toy, and may I add owning one was a statement of masculinity (Sorry Terminator.) On the contrary, they are probably a good indicator of impotence, not to mention ignorance. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mac Printer problem
I've been having a problem using a printer on a network. The printer, a Canon ip6600, is connected to a Macbook Pro running 10.5 and the other Macs running 10.4, see that printer in Print and Fax in System Preferences. The Macbook runs the printer normally and is set to share the printer, but the other Wi-Fi connected Macs will not print anything. When I try I get a spinning beachball, and the app I'm trying to print from has to be force quit. It seems like there must be some setting that is screwed up or that I've forgotten. I haven't had trouble before. The only thing that is different is a new D-Link router. Any ideas? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mac Printer problem
OK, I downloaded and installed a new driver from Canon on one of the computers and at least it's talking directly to the printer and printing. But the one my wife uses would not even run her text editing programs after trying to print from them and having to force quit them. She won't let me tinker with it right now, so I'll have to find out later if those apps will straighten out. The printing problem first appeared when she tried to print from Appleworks. (yes I know it's an antique, but she won't switch) But then I could not get it to print from Bean either. When I tried to add the printer in Print and Fax, I could see at the bottom of that utility that it wanted me to select a driver, but since I had printed from that computer to this printer before, I didn't understand why I had to select a driver. Interesting! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mac Printer problem
OK, installing the new driver fixed everything. I still don't understand why it needed a new driver. Thanks for all your help! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Best touch typing tutor software for OS X ?
I've tinkered with this a few times. I don't know how good it is compared to anything else, but it does help and it's free. Obviously, the learner has to be online when they are using it. http://sense-lang.org/typing/ db wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the various touch typing tutorial software available for OS X and can recommend one over the others ? I am trying to make a purchase recommendation for an older person who never learned to touch type and wants to learn now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
I can't believe this has gone on so long. This was a dumb ad, based on the thinnest of premises, designed to lure the simplest of sheeple. katan wrote: She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I think the answer to this one is similar to one I have seen for decades. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) Consumer Reports would always knock and rate US produced Autos all the time. The only auto with high quality was made in Japan or Germany. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
I've been a car nut all my life and been reading about cars in newspapers, Road and Track, Car and Driver, and Consumer Reports for 40 years. I've owned around 15, and driven and ridden in a couple dozen more. I'm sure many or most people disagree with me but my perception is that as far as quality and reliability goes, cars from the far east and many of the European makers are clearly better that the Americans makes. There is often talk in the media about improvements in satisfaction of American car buyers, but as far as customer surveys go, the ones I've seen still indicate that the American makers are still well behind in the satisfaction ratings. Enjoy! Tom Piwowar wrote: Please tell me where you have read that American autos are high quality. Where have you read that they are not? Should not the accuser be the one who must provide the evidence? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Alvin Auerbach wrote: ...from what I could tell. As individuals, our car yarns are anecdotes. When Consumer Reports (CR) collects all of those anecdotes, they become statistics. CR has auto test engineers who test the cars in CR's own lab and on CR's own test track. No individual can do all of that. No individual can make the sound judgement of quality and performance and reliability that CR can, using their own tests and the data gathered from their readers; and data from government and insurance industry tests. I agree. But I still take some of their ratings of products with a grain of salt. I like the Mac, but it took CR a long time to say much of anything good about Apple computers. I would not but any car that is not a station wagon. I also have never considered buying an SUV. That eliminates 95% of car models, and until recently pretty much all American cars. So I'd have to fish through a lot of their ratings to find anything to buy. I don't think CR is much effected by public opinion, but they do rate and talk about products for the mainstream public. I think they take the perspective of the mainstream public. I'm not much a mainstream guy, so again 95% of what they talk about and rate, I would never buy. I think the info CR provides is an excellent tool. You just have to use it an a way that makes it work for you. After years of subscribing to CR I finally stopped the magazine and now I just pay a small yearly fee for access to their testing and ratings on line. Jordan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Gear Question Regrading USB 3
I read a bit about camcorders for a couple years until I was sure people were pretty happy with the AVCHD format that the hard drive camcorders use. I finally got one in January. One thing I think Consumer Reports is good for is checking out the reliability of brands. When I was deciding to buy I looked at Canon, Sony, and Panasonic. I ended up getting a Canon HG20 which has a 60 GB hard drive. If you record at the camera's highest frame rate there is room for 5 1/2 hours. At the slowest rate you have almost 23 hours. I use a middle rate most of the time. It downloads to the computer with USB 2. With a recording in a middle speed it seemed to me that it was downloading in something close to real time. In other words, if I had an hour of footage it took an hour to download. That seems slow, but I saw no reason to be irritated by it. Blah, blah, blah, I can go on and on, but these points might give you a place to start. I like getting stuff like this at Costco because I like the company and their policies. Obviously that severely limited my choices, but I'm pretty happy with what I got. The only thing I regret is that the camera I got does not have a viewfinder. I think this is a serious drawback if you'll be shooting a lot in bright sun. The LCD panel can be hard to see. The best place I found to check out really thorough reviews of camcorders is http://www.camcorderinfo.com/ The insight and discussion of features that they have are great. Beyond that you can look at reviews on the NY times web site and others. Jordan trac...@aol.com wrote: I am going to need to buy a new digital video camcorder. With the advent of USB 3.0 on the horizon, does anyone have a time frame for when this interface will be in usage on camcorders? I don't want to invest in a 1080p camcorder with a firewire interface only to have it obsolete in 1-2 years. I am given to understand that even Apple will not support firewire by 2011. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...
Yes! When I saw that I was reminded of some results of a speed test I saw a year or two ago that showed that a Mac ran Windows faster than the Dell, HP and other Windows machines in the test. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Just saw another new Windows ad on TV. No Lauren. A guy this time. He says that Macs are all about esthetics, not computing power. He wants a Windows machine because he is picky. He is an elitist. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...
Tom Piwowar wrote: G says Macs are all about esthetics and proves he isn't by selecting a really ugly computer. Like Lauren's, the computer he selects is huge, not what most people today think of as a laptop. It is really a compact desktop. Does not look like something a picky person would buy. He gets a computer that is low-priced because it is undesirable. The computer gets big-number specs by using cheap parts. So once again the ad reeks of falseness. Apple does not need to run ads to respond. MS is digging a hole for itself with these ads. The ads demonstrate that Windows is for the clueless. But of course, this is why Windows is so successful. Most users are clueless. Also, how many people buy 17 notebooks. Isn't the percentage quite low? I can't help wondering if this is out of jealousy of the beautiful and powerful 17 Macbook Pro.(which I am using) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Another new Windows ad...
mike wrote: ..all the other users are just sitting around saying, apple who? They know who Apple is, it's just not on their radar . Is that the definition of cluelessness or ignorance? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs
Speaking of all this: I thought I found somewhere in Firefox (I think it was an about:config setting) that tells the page to scroll to where ever I click in the scroll bar. Sort of a scroll to here. I can't find this setting now. Could I be mistaken? Does Firefox do this by default? I'd like to get Seamonkey to do it. Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firefox tabs
I was wrong. The setting is in OSX System Preferences/Appearance. I wonder why it doesn't work on Seamonkey? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
David K Watson wrote: This is a very common tactic of yours, claiming because Tom hasn't said something about a behavior that he is condoning it. In the first place this is an invalid argument. In the second place, why do you want Tom to be the arbiter of other people's behavior on this list? The proper person to complain to is the person who did it, so if you want to properly address your complaint to the right person, why don't you search through the list archives, find out who did it, and complain directly to them, with a link to the offending post? That is the right thing to do, even if it is a little late. It really is bad form to claim an offense without backing it up. In other words, I am finding this line of argument tiresome, I don't think that it is making any points for you, and I'd be really happy if you would move to something more substantive. Tiresome? I say infantile! He needs a nap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Chris Dunford wrote: This is intolerable. Yes! What an outrage! If I were you I'd quit this list! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Chris Dunford wrote: This is intolerable. Yes! What an outrage! If I were you I'd quit this list! I hope Tom never calls you a liar when you aren't. You might feel differently. Honestly, I think you've been a bit thin skinned and over-reactive on this. Or maybe angry and a little obsessed with putting Tom down. It's just a list. Way too casual to be so offended about MS vs. M$. This list used to be more of a friendly place most of the time. I find the attacks on Tom by you and Mutt and Jeff to be infantile. As often than not, they are attacks on Tom, rather than on the concepts he believes are valid. More like a nasty bunch of playground jerks that I would never have anything to do with in life. I'm not sure why Tom bothers with these conversations. Maybe he's frustrated with what a cesspool the list has become, and he's just pushing back. I understand that since I'm being down on you and your pals that it will be easy to dismiss what I'm saying. But I'm just venting and saying what feel about these exchanges. Why do you seem so personally offended by attacks on MS and Windows. You are not MS. I'm sure you can find something better to think about. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.
I have a Nikon Coolpix 5700. I still like to use a viewfinder most of the time, but one of the very cool things about this Nikon is that the display folds out and swivels like a camcorder display. This allows the user to hold the camera at the waist or where ever and view the display. This camera is aging a bit as digital cameras go, it's slow compared to newer cameras. But the fold out viewer, raw capability, video capability, good picture quality, and general quality, make it the only still type camera I use. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Digital camera folks! Which manner of viewfinding do you use and/or prefer? Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual viewfinder if your camera has one? I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Frank/ CGUYS chatter [Was:In Defense of Idiots]
Exchange-Outlook? EEEK! (just kidding) cguys mail goes to my cguys folder in Thunderbird. It's safely there to read when I am not doing things in the physical world. You know, that place on the other side of that door. Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: In my Exchange-Outlook mailbox, I set up a simple rule to send all of the list email to its own folder. Keeps it out of my In Box folder, so I only pay it any mind when I read or clean it out. Seldom a bother. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.
I am not up on recent designs. I just took a quick look at more recent Nikons at dpreview.com and did not see any with a swing out display. Back in 2002, when my camera was new, there were a couple Canon cameras that had this feature also. They were nice cameras too. George Carr wrote: Jordan [jor17...@gmail.com] wrote: ... one of the very cool things about this Nikon is that the display folds out and swivels like a camcorder display. This allows the user to hold the camera at the waist or where ever and view the display. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.
Again, just looking quickly, here is the most recent Canon I came upon with the swing out display. This is a link to an extensive review. Click on the categories at the top: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsx1is/page2.asp George Carr wrote: Jordan [jor17...@gmail.com] wrote: ... one of the very cool things about this Nikon is that the display folds out and swivels like a camcorder display. This allows the user to hold the camera at the waist or where ever and view the display. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microphone and recording software recommendations
I like AudioHijack Pro from http://www.rogueamoeba.com/ for recording. I don't know anything about microphones. Bill L'Hommedieu wrote: I'm seeking recommendations for a microphone and recording software to make Mp3 files. G4, Tiger. Thanks Bill L'Hommedieu * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Apple tops PC customer satisfaction survey | Apple - CNET News
I'm hoping this doesn't spur a lot of nastiness again, but this is a big reason why Mac owners tend to feel more warmly about their computers. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: Apple is the only company to receive a 'good' rating in a Forrester Research customer satisfaction survey, followed by Gateway, HP, Compaq, and Dell. Read this blog post by Tom Krazit on Apple. CNET: The source for computers and technology http://www.cnet.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.
Here's a recent camera from Canon for $400 with that feature: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoActfcategoryid=144modelid=17630 George Carr wrote: Thanks for the info. Seems like a very nice camera but maybe a little too high-end for my needs. What I should do is get one of your old Nikons from eBay or some place. That fold-out display is such a good idea, one wonders why they are featured more? Maybe the term candid photos raises too many eyebrows these days... Thanks again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Eric S. Sande wrote: Obama so far has done nothing but take my money. But less of it than Bush. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Maybe? You're not sure? I agree that the bank bailout, initiated by the Bush administration, is bad and was done badly. But history has shown that the only way out of the kind of economic hole that the Bushies have dug us into is to spend. The people are tapped out, so the only one who can spend is the government. And the infrastructure of this country is in such bad shape that that can be a good thing. If the government does not spend, tens of thousands of businesses, (at least?) will close. OK, I'm done. Eric S. Sande wrote: But less of it than Bush. Yeah, maybe. You are going to have to show me how going deeper into debt to subsidize failure in the marketplace is a good idea. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Prepaid the Majority
We use the Verizon prepay. Same deal as far as paying $100 and and the minutes don't expire for a year. Good service and good coverage, important since I'm out in the boonies most of the time. It's our only long distance service so it took 6 or 7 months to go through those minutes. The most painful part is that the 1st call each day we use it has a $2 access charge. Tom Piwowar wrote: The topic of pre-paid cell phone plans has been much discussed on the list, but I thought such plans were just an odd corner of the market for really cheap folks like me. I just read that 60% of T-Mobile's subscribers are on pre-paid plans. Average revenue per subscriber is in the mid $50s per month. That's what I spend per year on my pre-paid. So those monthly subscribers must be dropping serious dough on feeding their communication habits! Very interesting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] APPL vs MSFT Stats
mike wrote: For most users it's not about ideaology, it's about what works. You are describing Tom and Mac users in general * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Prepaid the Majority
We've used all the methods you describe, and sometimes still use the 10-10 #s. My wife used to use the cards from Costco, but she says big chunks of minutes would disappear, so she became suspicious of them. We actually make so few calls that it's not a big deal. But I'll look into services that use the Verizon network. I had Cingular years ago before I went to Verizon, and I must say that they have been pretty much a pleasure to deal with. Thanks for the input. b_s-wilk wrote: Do you use your cell phone primarily at home for long distance? If you do, then using a calling card or dial-around number will save you a lot more than prepaid cellular. Use the cell away from home, use the card at home. We picked up a Verizon 700 minute calling card for $20 at Costco. It's less than 3 cents a minute with no monthly or connection fee from land lines, no expiration. You have to read the fine print when you buy a card though. This one from Costco is the best we found even though the per minute charge is a little higher. Access number and PIN are programmed into our phones. We usually take almost a year to use all the minutes. Not a Costco member? Find a friend who is, and offer to buy lunch or dinner! What kind of cellular reception does Sprint-Nextel have in your area? Try Virgin Mobile. ATT? Try Speak Out or Net10. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
Tony B wrote: Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to monopolies and all in favor of alternatives? Are you naive or just making believe you are naive? We've all seen how MS does things like lure the public in with an alternative to something and then alters it so that it only works for Windows users. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Airport network not connecting with macbook
Generally when a Mac does not see a network it has joined before and sees a new network, It will simply ask you if you want to join the new network. I suggest you call Apple and have them help you with your settings. If someone has messed with the settings or if your router is acting funny, it can be tough to nail a problem down. Sandra Raredon wrote: My mom recently upgraded from Ibook to MacBook, Leopard OS. Everytime she wants to use wi-fi , her new computer keeps trying to log on the old network name. She is using a new network, so there is a conflict now. We tried to go to the advance mode and delete the old network, but it keeps coming back. If I get a new Airport express (she was and is using the Aiport base station now), the small plug in adapterwill that solve the problem? The problem is, I do not know anything about setting up networkall she wants to do is use her macbook in the kitchen, and connect via wi-fi. Does she need another Airport base station or will an Airport express work..thanks for helping! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple One to One Training
I too have seen and heard nothing but amazing things about training from Apple. But I think they might be able to continue their training service even with the increased volume. I bet a lot of people don't make maximum use of their available training time they pay for, and it gets people back in the store looking at all the great stuff to buy. Tom Piwowar wrote: One on One a wonderful thing but it seems to me they will not be able to afford to keep doing it once Apple's current sales boom subsides... I was thinking they would not be able to afford to keep doing it as their sales kept booming. Too many takers would swamp their capacity. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Show You Net Books Done Right
Chris Dunford wrote: You write this condescending BS, but can't understand why people think Mac users are elitist? Certain elements of society like to take words that mean perfectly good things and twist their usage into something undesirable. What the heck is wrong with being elite? Wouldn't most people like to be elite at something? wouldn't you like to know elite people or use elite products? Look it up! It's not something to be avoided. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Actually, it's pretty amusing. And the indignant outrage is hilarious. And by the way: Windows?. clean install?they should not be in the same paragraph. mike wrote: Vile? Really? Is that like you calling someone a thief or someone else a gaybasher? Grow up, Tom. Your constant name calling is what is vile on this list. Why the whole list puts up with your abuse I have no idea. I'm wondering why I do myself. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant. Finally the truth comes out. All that is relevant is that M$ will be missing out on some much-needed revenue if you don't run out immediately and buy. It is very wrong that you want to deny M$ its due. Your are obviously being an uncooperative, vile person. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad. For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation; http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.htm The Most Common (but Unstudied) Form of Self-Addiction We all know self-righteous people. (And, if we are honest, many of us will admit having wallowed in this state ourselves, either occasionally or in frequent rhythm.) It is a familiar and rather normal human condition, supported -- even promulgated -- by messages in mass media. While there are many drawbacks, self-righteousness can also be heady, seductive, and even... well... addictive. Any truly honest person will admit that the state feels good. The pleasure of knowing, with subjective certainty, that you are right and your opponents are deeply, despicably wrong. Sanctimony, or a sense of righteous outrage, can feel so intense and delicious that many people actively seek to return to it, again and again. Moreover, as Westin et.al. have found, this trait crosses all boundaries of ideology.2 mike wrote: Jordan, stop being an asshole. Is that funny enough? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it's pretty amusing. And the indignant outrage is hilarious. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?
Please ask yourself why you reacted so radically? What is so threatening to you? Did you read it? You are making Brin's point. Jeff Wright wrote: No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad. For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation; http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.htm Interesting that you chose to use something from David Brin, one of the most self-rightous and sanctimonious, priggish assholes in the SF writer community. Perhaps he tapped into his own expertise? Anyhoo, OT. But, I couldn't let that pass without noting the galactic-sized irony. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firewall Logging: Are these a problem?
My Mac has the one that ends with 631. There are 9 others. All beginning with tcp4 or tcp6. I haven't found anywhere that talks about this stuff yet. Alvin Auerbach wrote: Here's what happened; what does it mean? Macintosh:~ Alvin$ netstat -an | grep LISTEN tcp6 0 0 fe80::1%lo0.631*.*LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.3829 *.*LISTEN tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.631 *.*LISTEN tcp6 0 0 ::1.631*.*LISTEN Macintosh:~ Alvin$ On May 1, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Having your computer listening is not such a good thing either. It might actually do what's its told. Some of the most famous exploits run against Windows come from that OS not following Mom's advice Don't listen to strangers. To see what ports you Mac is listening to, type this in Terminal: netstat -an | grep LISTEN * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firewall Logging: Are these a problem?
Aahh! tcp. Of course. I'm still curious to find out more about what they are. I'll experiment. Thanks John Emmerling wrote: A TCP listener is a process that accepts socket connection requests and forks off dedicated sockets to complete the connections and allow communication to proceed. You can't have TCP/IP without one or more. The presence of listeners, by itself, has no bearing on how secure the computer is. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: My Mac has the one that ends with 631. There are 9 others. All beginning with tcp4 or tcp6. I haven't found anywhere that talks about this stuff yet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firewall Logging: Are these a problem?
Do you know where info can be found about what is in the firewall log? I have enable firewall logging and enable stealth mode checked and allow only essential services checked. I'm curious. Not concerned. Tom Piwowar wrote: I would put it a little differently. The security of the listeners is one major factor that determines the security of the computer. When you can't trust the listeners you shut down their ports. Shutting down ports is a major function of firewalls. So what does that tell us about the security of the listeners? Not so good. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] G5 iMac, usable parts?
I'm opening up a G5 iMac that turned out to have a fatal glitch. A couple years ago I might have mentioned this problem iMac. After taking it to Apple a few times they sent me a new Intel iMac and didn't even want the G5 back. So I've finally opened it up on this rainy day to get the hard drive out and am wondering what else I might be able to use out of it. There are 2X .5gig memory sticks I'll likely never find a use for again, but I wondered if there was any way to put the optical drive in a case so it could be used externally. Any ideas? Anything else I might get out of it before recycling? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800. Tom Piwowar wrote: He does not need this computer for anything related to his work. I have said it before here, and once again it has happened. A computer purchase is being predicated upon the erroneous and paranoid concept that everyone else has one. Queried about this, he says that he fears not being able to get any help when he needs it if he gets anything but a Windows computer. and from what he hears and understands from others, he says he'll probably be needing a lot of that. Take him to an Apple store. Check the schedule for the free classes they hold there. Get info on the one-on-one training (see posts here on that). Show him the Genius bar. Ask one of the store staff to explain Apple's support program. Show him a MacMini and note that you can get them for as little as $450 at Amazon.com ($499 at the Apple Online Store). Show him an iMac 20 (I just bought a new one for $850 through an Amazon affiliated dealer). Then take him to Best Buy and try to snag a sales person. Try to ask a few simple questions. Have him call Dell support in Bangalore and ask a simple question. Tell him about malware and how he will have to devote time to keeping up his defenses or risk having his computer polluted. Have him call Geek Squad for an estimate on getting a PC deloused. Have a serious talk with him about support and the kind of hamburgers everyone buys at McDonalds. The tell him he is a big boy and you expect him to suck it up and live with the consequences of his bad decisions and not bother you with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Reliability of cars
We had a brief mention of the quality of American cars Vs foreign some time ago. Here is a blog writer who makes some good points: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay09/bigthree05-09.html This lack of durability of the Big Three vehicles receives almost no visibility. The fact that a car made by American workers with largely American-made parts in Tennesee lasts a decade or more with virtually no repairs or maintenance required while the 10-year old Big Three vehicle is either junked or a problem-riddled beater is the 800-pound gorilla in the room few have cared to discuss. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First time computer buyer
That was my experience. The 17 MacBook Pro I got last year is a refurb and was indistinguishable from a new Mac. No evidence that it had ever been touched. Tom Piwowar wrote: Also, there's a referb 20 iMac on the Apple site for $800. I have found that Apple refurbs are very close to new. Humorously so. They pack them with the same care as new with everything wrapped in its little baggie and secured with twisty ties. Except the little baggies and twisty ties are obviously recycled too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Appleworks problem
What do you think Norton is doing for you? Norton is notoriously quirky. The first thing I would do is get rid of Norton and all vestiges of it. Then restart, and reinstall Appleworks. Then let us know if there is still a problem. My wife still uses Appleworks and had a problem with it recently when she tried to print something. It was acting just as you describe. I could not really nail down the problem, but it must have had to do with its relationship to the printer driver. When I installed a new printer driver (Canon) the problem cleared up. Stephen Brownfield wrote: My brother is having a problem with his Appleworks program. He is running it on an eMac with OS 10.3.9. The problem may have started after he tried to fix somethings with Norton. This is the problem: when you launch Appleworks, you get the menus across the top, a blank toolbar, and no document or starting points. If you go to choose an item from the menu, you get the spinning beach ball before you can choose anything. When you go to the Appleworks icon in the dock, click and hold on it you get application not responding and have to choose Force Quit to end it. I tried to reinstall it, but the problem remained (before this install, I removed the file/application from the Application Folder). I assume that I need to remove some or all of the other Appleworks program files, not just the Application. How do I do this? Any other advice in solving this problem would be welcome. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Appleworks problem
I wasn't really saying his printer driver could be his problem, (although it's generally good to update the driver software once in a while) just that Appleworks can be cranky old software and it gets confused. As others have said, trashing the pref file might help clear the confusion. Stephen Brownfield wrote: Jordan, I don't know where my brother got Norton. I feel the same way as you do and haven't used it since OS 10.1/10.2. I will talk with about the printer driver, because I believe that he does have a Canon printer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] always never always
First thing that comes to mind is to see if Firefox is clearing data when you quit it. You might also check your settings for the Gmail page. I rarely use it so I'm not very familiar with the settings there. Jeffrey Myers wrote: When I'm using Gmail in Firefox, I *always* get these messages telling me to clik here if I *always* want to display images from this address or *always*open this kind of file with a particular program. So, I click the box, but the next time, I get asked the same question--*always. *Gets kinda old.* * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Chrome for Mac almost ready?
I noticed this at Macrumers.com: The Chromium web browser project which serves as the basis for Google's Chrome has started releasing early builds of the Mac version. While not complete, the builds work well enough to get an impression of the browser. CNet took a quick look at a build: The software, available for download from the Chromium Web site, is incomplete and definitely buggy, as one would expect for a developer version that reflects all the latest changes programmers are making with the project. But for Mac users who've been clamoring for the software, I can tell you that overall, it works, and it shows glimmers of what I liked about the open-source browser on Windows. The latest builds are kept in this directory in sequential order. If you are interested in testing it out, you should download the most recent build that you find. Updated builds are being added all the time. Here's the link: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/sub-rel-mac/ Scroll down for the latest. I'm trying it with the weather site I look at all the time and it's working perfectly so far. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth
While it _can_ be interesting to discuss hypotheticals and philosophy, you can also look at actual studies of society. It's all the rage in this country to rave about our high taxes, but one can read about what studies show a healthy society looks like. This is the latest study by the OECD http://tinyurl.com/cq2ycq This is an article about the study from Marketwatch.com http://tinyurl.com/ph94n2 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
