Re: [Cooker] ISO images

[John Allen]

On Friday 21 March 2003 23:27, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote:
> If not the iso images, why not repair the buggy cooker that avoid the
> creation of runing isos?
>

I don't know what problems people have been having making .iso's but I have 
been making DVD sized .iso's for absolutely ages; made on last Friday, works 
perfect.

-- 
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MandrakeClub Silver Member.

Re: [Cooker] ISO Images [was: Re: When??]

[James Sparenberg]

On Sat, 2003-03-22 at 14:39, Sir Pingus wrote:
> > On Sat 22 Mar 2003 03:19, Thomas Backlund posted as excerpted below:
> > > Now this is way off ...
> > >
> > > IIRC Warly (or another MDK employee) posted a message after 9.0 release how
> > > the official ISOs gets delivered ...
> > >
> > > They don't get posted on the mirrors after a automated iso build,
> > > instead they get built under strict control by Warly, then they get
> > > distributed among the MDK employees that test the final ISOs,
> > > and if they are all happy, the ISOs will be posted on the MDK master
> > > server where the primary mirrors can pick them up, and after that
> > > all other mirrors that rsyncs of the primary mirrors...
> > 
> > Cool.  I guess they are testing them now, then?  Maybe something came up and 
> > they are NOT all happy with them?
> 
> you know, in France we do not work on saturday and sunday. So don't believe that any
> iso appear on mirror this week end.
> 
> bye Pingus ;-)
> 
> > 
> > Thanks for the info!  All I had was speculation, b4.
> > 
> > -- 


Personally I'm perfectly happy to wait till Warly says go.  I used to
work for a company that over road the build engineer all the time.. for
that matter this is true of all of us ... we used to work for that
company Therefore... I'll be patient.  

James

Re: [Cooker] ISO Images [was: Re: When??]

[Sir Pingus]

> On Sat 22 Mar 2003 03:19, Thomas Backlund posted as excerpted below:
> > Now this is way off ...
> >
> > IIRC Warly (or another MDK employee) posted a message after 9.0 release how
> > the official ISOs gets delivered ...
> >
> > They don't get posted on the mirrors after a automated iso build,
> > instead they get built under strict control by Warly, then they get
> > distributed among the MDK employees that test the final ISOs,
> > and if they are all happy, the ISOs will be posted on the MDK master
> > server where the primary mirrors can pick them up, and after that
> > all other mirrors that rsyncs of the primary mirrors...
> 
> Cool.  I guess they are testing them now, then?  Maybe something came up and 
> they are NOT all happy with them?

you know, in France we do not work on saturday and sunday. So don't believe that any
iso appear on mirror this week end.

bye Pingus ;-)

> 
> Thanks for the info!  All I had was speculation, b4.
> 
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Re: [Cooker] ISO Images [was: Re: When??]

[Duncan]

On Sat 22 Mar 2003 03:19, Thomas Backlund posted as excerpted below:
> Now this is way off ...
>
> IIRC Warly (or another MDK employee) posted a message after 9.0 release how
> the official ISOs gets delivered ...
>
> They don't get posted on the mirrors after a automated iso build,
> instead they get built under strict control by Warly, then they get
> distributed among the MDK employees that test the final ISOs,
> and if they are all happy, the ISOs will be posted on the MDK master
> server where the primary mirrors can pick them up, and after that
> all other mirrors that rsyncs of the primary mirrors...

Cool.  I guess they are testing them now, then?  Maybe something came up and 
they are NOT all happy with them?

Thanks for the info!  All I had was speculation, b4.

-- 
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Re: [Cooker] ISO images

[Duncan]

On Fri 21 Mar 2003 16:18, Phazeman posted as excerpted below:
> Can someone from Mandrake please update the users and testers about the
> state of the ISO images ? The people are very excited about it and it's
> not nice to let them wait so much time without knowing whats going on.

See my post to the "When?" thread, for what I think may be going on, FWIW from 
my admittedly gallery viewpoint, anyway.

-- 
Duncan
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --
Benjamin Franklin

Re: [Cooker] ISO images

[Francisco Alcaraz Ariza]

If not the iso images, why not repair the buggy cooker that avoid the creation 
of runing isos?


El Sábado, 22 de Marzo de 2003 00:18, Phazeman escribió:
> Can someone from Mandrake please update the users and testers about the
> state of the ISO images ? The people are very excited about it and it's
> not nice to let them wait so much time without knowing whats going on.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
> Phazeman

-- 
Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
Departamento de Biología Vegetal
Universidad de Murcia
E-30100 Murcia
España (Spain)

Re: [Cooker] ISO files have > 700 MB, so you need CDs with that capacity, isn't it ?

[Thomas Backlund]

From: "Sitsofe Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> > Excuse me if this question is silly: my CD-RWs have a capacity of
650 MB.
> > Therefore, I can not save on them the Beta 4 ISO files (they have
> 700 MB),
> > isn't it ?
> If the Beta 4 CDs ISOs are like the previous Betas then no. I know
how you
> feel as I bought some CDRWs with the purpose of keeping the latest
Linux
> distros on them...
>
> However you should be able to find 700Mb CD-R quite easily (I don't
know
> if you can get CDRWs up to that size).
>

Atleast here in Finland you can get 700 MB high speed CD-RW:s (4-10x
speed)
I bought 10 of them an have saved a fortune using them instead of
CD-R:s

Thomas


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Re: [Cooker] ISO files have > 700 MB, so you need CDs with that capacity,isn't it ?

[Juan Paolo Carballo]

Pablo Pita Leira wrote:
> Excuse me if this question is silly: my CD-RWs have a capacity of 650 MB. 
> Therefore, I can not save on them the Beta 4 ISO files (they have > 700 MB), 
> isn't it ?
> 
Unfortunately not.
700 MB / 80 minute CD-RW disks work just fine.
To be on the safe side, I've settled on using 790 MB /
90 minute CD-R disks.

-- 

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That is enough to give us Mozart, Einstein and Jack The Ripper.

Re: [Cooker] ISO files have > 700 MB, so you need CDs with that capacity, isn't it ?

[Igor Izyumin]

On Monday 26 August 2002 12:48 pm, Juan Paolo Carballo wrote:
> Pablo Pita Leira wrote:
> > Excuse me if this question is silly: my CD-RWs have a capacity of 650 MB.
> > Therefore, I can not save on them the Beta 4 ISO files (they have > 700
> > MB), isn't it ?
>
> Unfortunately not.
> 700 MB / 80 minute CD-RW disks work just fine.
> To be on the safe side, I've settled on using 790 MB /
> 90 minute CD-R disks.

You shouldn't have to use 90 minute CD-R discs with the ISOs.  I have found 
these discs to be less reliable than 80 minute ones (they don't work with as 
many drives, that is).  My drive (Plextor PlexWriter 10/12/32 S) supports 
overburning, though, so I can stuff almost 750 megs onto a 700 meg disc.
-- 
-- Igor

Re: [Cooker] ISO files have > 700 MB, so you need CDs with that capacity, isn't it ?

[avalon]

I just bought some 700mb CD-RW disks from Walmart... I haven't tried burning
beta 4 on them... I'm thinking of waiting for the next beta/RC .

Scott

- Original Message -
From: "Sitsofe Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO files have > 700 MB, so you need CDs with that
capacity, isn't it ?


> > Excuse me if this question is silly: my CD-RWs have a capacity of 650
MB.
> > Therefore, I can not save on them the Beta 4 ISO files (they have > 700
MB),
> > isn't it ?
> If the Beta 4 CDs ISOs are like the previous Betas then no. I know how you
> feel as I bought some CDRWs with the purpose of keeping the latest Linux
> distros on them...
>
> However you should be able to find 700Mb CD-R quite easily (I don't know
> if you can get CDRWs up to that size).
>
> It is possible to make smaller sized CDs by mirroring cooker and using the
> MakeCD program (search through the mailling list archives for MakeCD and
> you should turn up instructions).
>
> --
> Sitsofe | http://sucs.org/~sits/
>

Re: [Cooker] ISO files have > 700 MB, so you need CDs with thatcapacity, isn't it ?

[Sitsofe Wheeler]

> Excuse me if this question is silly: my CD-RWs have a capacity of 650 MB. 
> Therefore, I can not save on them the Beta 4 ISO files (they have > 700 MB), 
> isn't it ?
If the Beta 4 CDs ISOs are like the previous Betas then no. I know how you 
feel as I bought some CDRWs with the purpose of keeping the latest Linux 
distros on them...

However you should be able to find 700Mb CD-R quite easily (I don't know 
if you can get CDRWs up to that size).

It is possible to make smaller sized CDs by mirroring cooker and using the 
MakeCD program (search through the mailling list archives for MakeCD and 
you should turn up instructions).

-- 
Sitsofe | http://sucs.org/~sits/

Re: [Cooker] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Why_=BBVitamin=AB??=

[john.allen]

Quoting Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ainsi parlait Alexander Skwar :
> > Hi!
> >
> > Why is the final of 8.1 called Vitamin and not Raklet like the
> Betas?
> Let me guess: techies choose beta names and marketing people choose
> release 
> names :-) ?
> 
> -- 
> Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> GPG key http://lis.snv.jussieu.fr/~rousse/gpgkey.html
> 
> 

Personally I'd just dop the names, and just use the rev number
& a build number (yeah I know its awfully Microsoft like)


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Re: [Cooker] ISO-8859-* fonts

[Pablo Saratxaga]

Kaixo!

 
> From: Radek Vybiral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Cooker] ISO-8859-* fonts
 
> why has beta1 ALL ISO-8859-* fonts for X packaged together?

They now are created from a single source of a unicode bitmap font.

> I don't like ISO-8859-{9|13|15} waste my disk space!
> I'm using only ISO-8859-2 fonts for Czech language.

In fact, once XFree86 will be able to recode on the fly the bitmap fonts
the same way it does with TTF, Speedo and Type1, then only one physical
file will be needed, the one for the iso10646-1 one, and nothing more.
But as that is not possible yet, then we need to provide the same support
of 8bit encodings as previously: iso8859-{1,2,5,7,8,9,13,15}.
It is not very practical to package them in different rpm packages, as
that will involve a real huge amount of work, as the various encodings
are mixed in the same directories.
So the question was, do we provide old encodings for bitmap fonts?
And if yes, which ones?

It was decided to provide the ones previously provided (maybe in different
packages for some of them).
Note that some of those encodings are provided since long time; the
difference is now there are also unicode encoded fonts, and the non-unicode
encodings use explicit naming of the encoding in the file name.

You can delete them:

rm /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/*-ISO8859-{3,5,7,8,9,13,15}.pcf.gz 
for i in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/*
do
( cd $i && mkfontdir )
done


(it is not advisable to delete iso8859-1 fonts, even if you don't use them
some programs can complain loudly)


Note also, that we changed the build options of XFree86 to not build all
possible non unicode font versions; a default compilation of XFree86 is
much worst.

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> R.V.

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Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Gary Lawrence Murphy]

> "B" == Borsenkow Andrej <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>  I don't think you could install from the ISO image unless you
>> have a second machine (you can mount an ISO image as a file
>> system on that machine and then export it under NFS, FTP or
>> HTTP)
>> 

B> Of course you can. Using either ext2 or fat partition

Do you mean by unpacking the ISO on to an ext2/fat partition?  I thought
they wanted to mount the ISO image as a filesystem and didn't think you'd
have the tools for that in the miniroot.  Thanks for the clarification.

B> but, for those having slow connection, how do you imagine ftp
B> install? (Just a bit of math, how long do you need to transfer
B> 150MB over 56Kb modem.  Even if it 56Kb?)

About 1/10th as long as grabbing two complete CDs? :)

Or as Confucius said, "It does not matter how slow you go, so long as
you do not stop."

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Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Gary Lawrence Murphy]

If someone can point me at HTTP-accessible ISO images, I'd be happy
to register them with www.swarmcast.com -- it doesn't really matter
if the site has limited  bandwidth since swarmcasting uses less
bandwidth as the demand rises.

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Re: [Cooker] iso images

[andre]

> 
> Borsenkow Andrej wrote:
> > It is unpacked in many places and you can install via ftp - but, for
> > those having slow connection, how do you imagine ftp install? (Just a
> > bit of math, how long do you need to transfer 150MB over 56Kb modem.
> > Even if it 56Kb?)
> 
> Well, on my 33.6 kb modem, I would expect about 15 hours.  I can do an
> iso in about 65 hours, about 10 MB per hour, which is OK (not nice, but
> OK), if you can stop and restart the transmission.  (I used to do them
> at night, until my ISP started cutting me off after 12 hours of connect
> time.)
> 
> But, if you are doing an *install* via ftp (or NFS) can you stop and
> restart the install, or must you start over after each interruption. 
> Really a hypothetical question -- my best bet would be to download the
> iso(s), burn the CD(s), and install from them, but I'm curious about how
> an install over ftp or NFS might work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy Kramer
> 
I don't see any problem with it, except that you have to wait 2 hours
before the second part of the installation is downloaded before you
readly can start.

Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Wim Horst]

Op maandag 20 augustus 2001 15:20, schreef u:
> On 20 Aug 2001 20:53:08 -0400, Wim Horst wrote:
> > Is it possible to install directly from a iso image file,
> > thus without first burning a cd. I don't have a cdwriter.
>
> yes, using hd.img.  You will be prompted.  This is a question for the
> newbie (or expert if newbie is unsuccessful) list.  It is highly
> unappreciated on this, the cooker development list.

Thanks a lot. Maybe newbie, but look at the answers.

Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Randy Kramer]

Borsenkow Andrej wrote:
> It is unpacked in many places and you can install via ftp - but, for
> those having slow connection, how do you imagine ftp install? (Just a
> bit of math, how long do you need to transfer 150MB over 56Kb modem.
> Even if it 56Kb?)

Well, on my 33.6 kb modem, I would expect about 15 hours.  I can do an
iso in about 65 hours, about 10 MB per hour, which is OK (not nice, but
OK), if you can stop and restart the transmission.  (I used to do them
at night, until my ISP started cutting me off after 12 hours of connect
time.)

But, if you are doing an *install* via ftp (or NFS) can you stop and
restart the install, or must you start over after each interruption. 
Really a hypothetical question -- my best bet would be to download the
iso(s), burn the CD(s), and install from them, but I'm curious about how
an install over ftp or NFS might work.

Thanks,
Randy Kramer

RE: [Cooker] iso images

[Borsenkow Andrej]

> 
> I don't think you could install from the ISO image unless you have a
> second machine (you can mount an ISO image as a file system on that
> machine and then export it under NFS, FTP or HTTP)
> 

"I do not think" or "I have tried and it failed"?

Of course you can. Using either ext2 or fat partition

> For those of us on slow connections, and especially for those of us
> who do not use even a small percent of the full 1.5Gb of files, if
> the Beta image could be unpacked somewhere, it might be feasible for
> us to install from the beta via HTTP
> 

It is unpacked in many places and you can install via ftp - but, for
those having slow connection, how do you imagine ftp install? (Just a
bit of math, how long do you need to transfer 150MB over 56Kb modem.
Even if it 56Kb?)

-andrej

Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Gary Lawrence Murphy]

I don't think you could install from the ISO image unless you have a
second machine (you can mount an ISO image as a file system on that
machine and then export it under NFS, FTP or HTTP)

For those of us on slow connections, and especially for those of us
who do not use even a small percent of the full 1.5Gb of files, if
the Beta image could be unpacked somewhere, it might be feasible for
us to install from the beta via HTTP

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Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Nguyen Hung.Takeshi]

--- Wim Horst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible to install directly from a iso image file,
> thus without first burning a cd. I don't have a cdwriter.
> 

Hello Win Horst!

How can you do that? Could you show me how to install directly from iso files
without burning them to CD-r?

TiA

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Re: [Cooker] iso images

[Blue Lizard]

On 20 Aug 2001 20:53:08 -0400, Wim Horst wrote:
> Is it possible to install directly from a iso image file,
> thus without first burning a cd. I don't have a cdwriter.
> 

yes, using hd.img.  You will be prompted.  This is a question for the
newbie (or expert if newbie is unsuccessful) list.  It is highly
unappreciated on this, the cooker development list.

Re: [Cooker] iso file creation

[pablito]

I found an error in the log that there wasn't enough room on the iso file
partition to hold the iso files.  I ran the script again.  This time, I got
a 1.7 gig iso file 1, a 600+ meg iso file 2, and an 80+ meg iso file 3.  The
second and third iso files sound about the right size, but the first one is
even bigger than it was before.  I have tried your command and also deleting
the .build_hist directory with no results.

what program is used to make the .cz files?


-Original Message-
From: Todd Richmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] iso file creation


>Try rm -rf /tmp/.build_hist(or something similar). That cleared a problem
>for me before. It would probably be good for mkcds to do so also after a
>successful run
>Todd
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "pablito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:51 AM
>Subject: Re: [Cooker] iso file creation
>
>
>> Okay, I tried it again and I still get that one big iso file

Re: [Cooker] iso file creation

[Todd Richmond]

Try rm -rf /tmp/.build_hist(or something similar). That cleared a problem
for me before. It would probably be good for mkcds to do so also after a
successful run
Todd


- Original Message -
From: "pablito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] iso file creation


> Okay, I tried it again and I still get that one big iso file.  rpmslist
> sorts the files out by cd and the script reads rpmslist, and then I see
that
> the script pushes files according to the rpmslist somewhere, but something
> must be going wrong somewhere.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] iso file creation
>
>
> >"pablito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> I have tried to mirror cooker and make the iso files several times.
> Since
> >> everyone else makes these with no problems, I figured I must be doing
> >> something wrong.
> >>
> >> There was something wrong with the mkcds install script at first.  Then
I
> >> found out mkisofs is not installed by default and installed it.  Now,
the
> >> result is fairly standard:
> >>
> >> a.  A message saying I don't have locale configured right, which I
> >> checked and found that locale is installed and appears to be
configured.
> >
> >not important
> >
> >> b.  At the end of the script, messages that files were not found in
> the
> >> scripts and were being added to the last iso file.  This happens no
> matter
> >> how many times I repeat the mirroring process.  (I could not get the
DSL
> >> connection to work in linux so I am using a windows program called
> >> syncromagic that seems to make a copy of the site and delete
non-matching
> >> files.)
> >
> >This is not linked to the mirroring process. This only have to do with
the
> >Mandrake/base/rpmslist file. This files contains the cooker packages
> separated
> >by CDs. As there are often new packages or new libraries into cooker,
these
> files,
> >that I only check once every one or 2 weeks, are not up to date, and as a
> consequence
> >there are packages present in the repository but not in the file, these
> packages
> >are added to the last iso images automatically.
> >
> >> c.  Result:  I get three iso files, one 1.2 gigs in size and the other
2
> of
> >> 0 bytes apiece.  I got this same result once by running mkcds.pl by
> itself.
> >
> >This is not normal, however.
> >
> >--
> >Warly
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: [Cooker] iso file creation

[pablito]

Okay, I tried it again and I still get that one big iso file.  rpmslist
sorts the files out by cd and the script reads rpmslist, and then I see that
the script pushes files according to the rpmslist somewhere, but something
must be going wrong somewhere.


-Original Message-
From: Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] iso file creation


>"pablito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I have tried to mirror cooker and make the iso files several times.
Since
>> everyone else makes these with no problems, I figured I must be doing
>> something wrong.
>>
>> There was something wrong with the mkcds install script at first.  Then I
>> found out mkisofs is not installed by default and installed it.  Now, the
>> result is fairly standard:
>>
>> a.  A message saying I don't have locale configured right, which I
>> checked and found that locale is installed and appears to be configured.
>
>not important
>
>> b.  At the end of the script, messages that files were not found in
the
>> scripts and were being added to the last iso file.  This happens no
matter
>> how many times I repeat the mirroring process.  (I could not get the DSL
>> connection to work in linux so I am using a windows program called
>> syncromagic that seems to make a copy of the site and delete non-matching
>> files.)
>
>This is not linked to the mirroring process. This only have to do with the
>Mandrake/base/rpmslist file. This files contains the cooker packages
separated
>by CDs. As there are often new packages or new libraries into cooker, these
files,
>that I only check once every one or 2 weeks, are not up to date, and as a
consequence
>there are packages present in the repository but not in the file, these
packages
>are added to the last iso images automatically.
>
>> c.  Result:  I get three iso files, one 1.2 gigs in size and the other 2
of
>> 0 bytes apiece.  I got this same result once by running mkcds.pl by
itself.
>
>This is not normal, however.
>
>--
>Warly
>
>

Re: [Cooker] iso file creation

[pablito]

Do you need to have enough space on the linux partition to hold all of the
iso files?  I noticed that the script was making these compressed images in
/tmp.  As I said, I put the linux file downloads in a windows partition
since linux can read windows but not the other way around.  We just got DSL
here and so far only one laptop is connected to it and it's not networked.
I have to download on that computer, then attach it to another computer and
transfer the files to it since the laptop doesn't have a CD burner.


-Original Message-
From: Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] iso file creation


>"pablito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I have tried to mirror cooker and make the iso files several times.
Since
>> everyone else makes these with no problems, I figured I must be doing
>> something wrong.
>>
>> There was something wrong with the mkcds install script at first.  Then I
>> found out mkisofs is not installed by default and installed it.  Now, the
>> result is fairly standard:
>>
>> a.  A message saying I don't have locale configured right, which I
>> checked and found that locale is installed and appears to be configured.
>
>not important
>
>> b.  At the end of the script, messages that files were not found in
the
>> scripts and were being added to the last iso file.  This happens no
matter
>> how many times I repeat the mirroring process.  (I could not get the DSL
>> connection to work in linux so I am using a windows program called
>> syncromagic that seems to make a copy of the site and delete non-matching
>> files.)
>
>This is not linked to the mirroring process. This only have to do with the
>Mandrake/base/rpmslist file. This files contains the cooker packages
separated
>by CDs. As there are often new packages or new libraries into cooker, these
files,
>that I only check once every one or 2 weeks, are not up to date, and as a
consequence
>there are packages present in the repository but not in the file, these
packages
>are added to the last iso images automatically.
>
>> c.  Result:  I get three iso files, one 1.2 gigs in size and the other 2
of
>> 0 bytes apiece.  I got this same result once by running mkcds.pl by
itself.
>
>This is not normal, however.
>
>--
>Warly
>
>

Re: [Cooker] iso file creation

[Warly]

"pablito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have tried to mirror cooker and make the iso files several times.  Since
> everyone else makes these with no problems, I figured I must be doing
> something wrong.
> 
> There was something wrong with the mkcds install script at first.  Then I
> found out mkisofs is not installed by default and installed it.  Now, the
> result is fairly standard:
> 
> a.  A message saying I don't have locale configured right, which I
> checked and found that locale is installed and appears to be configured.

not important
 
> b.  At the end of the script, messages that files were not found in the
> scripts and were being added to the last iso file.  This happens no matter
> how many times I repeat the mirroring process.  (I could not get the DSL
> connection to work in linux so I am using a windows program called
> syncromagic that seems to make a copy of the site and delete non-matching
> files.)

This is not linked to the mirroring process. This only have to do with the
Mandrake/base/rpmslist file. This files contains the cooker packages separated
by CDs. As there are often new packages or new libraries into cooker, these files,
that I only check once every one or 2 weeks, are not up to date, and as a consequence
there are packages present in the repository but not in the file, these packages
are added to the last iso images automatically.

> c.  Result:  I get three iso files, one 1.2 gigs in size and the other 2 of
> 0 bytes apiece.  I got this same result once by running mkcds.pl by itself.

This is not normal, however.

-- 
Warly

Re: [Cooker] iso file creation

[pablito]

I have tried to mirror cooker and make the iso files several times.  Since
everyone else makes these with no problems, I figured I must be doing
something wrong.

There was something wrong with the mkcds install script at first.  Then I
found out mkisofs is not installed by default and installed it.  Now, the
result is fairly standard:

a.  A message saying I don't have locale configured right, which I
checked and found that locale is installed and appears to be configured.

b.  At the end of the script, messages that files were not found in the
scripts and were being added to the last iso file.  This happens no matter
how many times I repeat the mirroring process.  (I could not get the DSL
connection to work in linux so I am using a windows program called
syncromagic that seems to make a copy of the site and delete non-matching
files.)

c.  Result:  I get three iso files, one 1.2 gigs in size and the other 2 of
0 bytes apiece.  I got this same result once by running mkcds.pl by itself.

Is there something else that needs to be installed besides mkisofs?  I have
bzip and gzip on there.  Does it make a difference that the cooker files and
iso destination directory are on windows partitions?  I have been putting
them there so as not to lose the files if I screw up a linux installation
fooling around.

Re: [Cooker] iso images Beta 8.0

[Armisis Aieoln]

Can we boot from floppy, and Install from an ISO stored on the root partition?

dave

On Friday 23 February 2001 13:31, you wrote:
> Josi Luiz Barci Neves wrote:
> 
>
> > Hey man, where i can find iso images ?
> > i can't dowload the "normal" version
> >
> > thanks a lot.
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > From: marco goerlach[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2001 07:18
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  [Cooker] iso images Beta 8.0
> > >
> > > Hello folks,
> > >
> > > Who can help me?
> > > Here the situiation.
> > >
> > > I have downloaded the cooker iso images 1-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso and
> > > 2-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso in the directory cooker.
> > >
> > > I get a menu:
> > > .
> > > Please choose the partition where is copied the Linux-Mandrake
> > > Distribution.
> > > .
> > > (0) cancel
> > > (1)hda1 (size: 406 Mbytes)
> > > (2) hda3 (size: 132 Mbytes)
> > > (3) hda4 (size: 2347 Mbytes)
> > > (4) hda5 (size: 2000 Mbytes) --> selected
> > >
> > >
> > > > Please enter the directory (or ISO image file) containing the
> > >
> > > Linux-Mandrake Distribution.
> > > (a) Directory or ISO image
> > > (a) ? /cooker/1-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso
> > > .
> > > The graphical installer comes up and I can select the filesets which I
> > > want to install. It begins to install but I get a error if the
> > > installer
 requested filesets from iso image
> > > 2-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso. Cannot install filesets <>
> > > .
> > > Who can help me to install mandrake with iso images? What must I do
> > > therewith the installation is succesfully?
> > > .
> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > Marco
> > >
>
> 
> Hello Josi Luiz Barci Neves
> 
> You can find the iso images Beta verion 8.0 on following side:
> 
> sunsite.uio.no:/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-iso
> .
> The iso images seems to be ok because I can mount both iso images and
> they're
 readable.
> .
> with kind regards,
> Marco

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Re: [Cooker] iso images Beta 8.0

[marco goerlach]

José Luiz Barci Neves wrote:

> Hey man, where i can find iso images ?
> i can't dowload the "normal" version
>
> thanks a lot.
>
> > --
> > From: marco goerlach[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2001 07:18
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  [Cooker] iso images Beta 8.0
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > Who can help me?
> > Here the situiation.
> >
> > I have downloaded the cooker iso images 1-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso and
> > 2-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso in the directory cooker.
> >
> > I get a menu:
> > .
> > Please choose the partition where is copied the Linux-Mandrake
> > Distribution.
> > .
> > (0) cancel
> > (1)hda1 (size: 406 Mbytes)
> > (2) hda3 (size: 132 Mbytes)
> > (3) hda4 (size: 2347 Mbytes)
> > (4) hda5 (size: 2000 Mbytes) --> selected
> >
> > > Please enter the directory (or ISO image file) containing the
> > Linux-Mandrake Distribution.
> > (a) Directory or ISO image
> > (a) ? /cooker/1-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso
> > .
> > The graphical installer comes up and I can select the filesets which I
> > want to install. It begins to install but I get a error if the installer
> > requested filesets from iso image 2-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso.
> > Cannot install filesets <>
> > .
> > Who can help me to install mandrake with iso images? What must I do
> > therewith the installation is succesfully?
> > .
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Marco
> >

Hello José Luiz Barci Neves

You can find the iso images Beta verion 8.0 on following side:

sunsite.uio.no:/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake-iso
.
The iso images seems to be ok because I can mount both iso images and they're
readable.
.
with kind regards,
Marco

RE: [Cooker] iso images Beta 8.0

[José Luiz Barci Neves]

Hey man, where i can find iso images ?
i can't dowload the "normal" version

thanks a lot.

> --
> From: marco goerlach[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2001 07:18
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [Cooker] iso images Beta 8.0
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> Who can help me?
> Here the situiation.
> 
> I have downloaded the cooker iso images 1-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso and
> 2-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso in the directory cooker.
> 
> I get a menu:
> .
> Please choose the partition where is copied the Linux-Mandrake
> Distribution.
> .
> (0) cancel
> (1)hda1 (size: 406 Mbytes)
> (2) hda3 (size: 132 Mbytes)
> (3) hda4 (size: 2347 Mbytes)
> (4) hda5 (size: 2000 Mbytes) --> selected
> 
> > Please enter the directory (or ISO image file) containing the
> Linux-Mandrake Distribution.
> (a) Directory or ISO image
> (a) ? /cooker/1-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso
> .
> The graphical installer comes up and I can select the filesets which I
> want to install. It begins to install but I get a error if the installer
> requested filesets from iso image 2-Cooker-i586-20010213.iso.
> Cannot install filesets <>
> .
> Who can help me to install mandrake with iso images? What must I do
> therewith the installation is succesfully?
> .
> Thanks and regards,
> Marco
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Cooker] ISO Creation

[Warly]

"Chris Cable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Great job to Warly for putting together the perl script. One question
> though. What is the easiest way to eliminate duplicate rpms, such as:
> 
> name-1.0.0-2mdk.rpm
> name-1.0.0-3mdk.rpm
> 
> which only differ by the Mandrake revision number?

This script based on the file date, output the old files of a list, that you
can xargs to rm:

perl doble /COOL_PATH/RPMS/* | xargs rm

or

mv `perl doble /COOL_PATH/RPMS*` /YOUP_PATH/old/



#!/usr/bin/perl
#---
# Project : Mandrake
# Module  : rpm-rebuilder
# File: doble
# Version : $Id: doble,v 1.4 2000/05/25 03:20:44 flepied Exp $
# Author  : Pascal Rigaud
# Created On  : Thu May 25 15:08:52 2000
#---
@list = sort @ARGV;

foreach (@list) {
next unless /\.rpm(\.log)?$/;
($name,$ext) = m|([^/]+)-[^-]+-[^-]+\.([^.]+)\.rpm(\.log)?$|;
$name="$name.$ext";
if ($name eq $last) {
if ((stat($_))[9] < (stat($lastfile))[9]) { print "$_ "; next; }
if ((stat($_))[9] > (stat($lastfile))[9]) { print "$lastfile "; }
if ((stat($_))[9] == (stat($lastfile))[9]) { die "__ THIS SHOULDN't HAPP
EN __ (2 different rpms with same date) $_\n" }
} 
$last = $name;
$lastfile = $_;
}
print "\n";

# doble ends here




-- 
Warly

RE: [Cooker] ISO Creation

[Chris Cable]

If I just would have looked a little longer.

rsync -av --delete 

does the trick.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Cable
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 5:03 AM
To: Cooker
Subject: [Cooker] ISO Creation


Great job to Warly for putting together the perl script. One question
though. What is the easiest way to eliminate duplicate rpms, such as:

name-1.0.0-2mdk.rpm
name-1.0.0-3mdk.rpm

which only differ by the Mandrake revision number?

Again, great job on the distro.

Chris


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Re: [Cooker] ISO Script

[Warly]

"Chris Cable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a new script for making ISO images from the current tree? If so
> where is it located.
> 
> Thanks

not really, the previous one needs some adaptations to work, i ll try to
put a new version online soon.

-- 
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Re: [Cooker] iso instructions

[Ron Stodden]

Antony Suter wrote:
> 
> Also, how do I read the contents of a cd into an iso file?

dd if=/dev/cdrom of=

Yes, it works - even the md5sum checks out!

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Re: [Cooker] ISO images - questions

[stephen]

On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:22:04AM +, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> As long as your rc1 inst image has the same name and is in the same place
> '$LOCALDIR' it should work.  I don't have an earlier iso so I can't test
> that - I expect to be downloading most of this week - I'm currently at
> 26% of Mandrake72-ext.iso
> --

i put the two rc images in dir as Mandrake72-.iso, seemed to get through
40Mb in an hour, and when bt dropped line resumed with the 40Mb file, hence
the question.

i have used xcdroast to recreate an iso from a previously written cd 
before.

currently at 190mb of the extension..

bring on surftime, imagine downloading until 8am. :-)

are you in ManLUG ?

Stephen R Parkinson
  

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - questions

[Peter Ruskin]

On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, stephen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 01:19:35PM +0100, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, stephen wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 10:36:44AM +0100, stephen wrote:
> > <...> 
> > 
> > I run this from my crontab every 2 hours 20 minutes.
> > ##
> > #!/bin/bash
> > # /usr/local/bin/rsync-iso
> > echo ==
> > echo rsync-iso - this script will download the latest Mandrake iso.
> > echo
> 
> puzzle?
> 
> suppose i have the rc1 inst image, all 670+Mb of it
> 
> i thought the idea was to only pull the differences and still retain the bulk
> of the file, and not after the first 2hr download session to end up the 40Mb
> file?
> 
> Any ideas ?
> 
As long as your rc1 inst image has the same name and is in the same place
'$LOCALDIR' it should work.  I don't have an earlier iso so I can't test
that - I expect to be downloading most of this week - I'm currently at
26% of Mandrake72-ext.iso
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Re: [Cooker] ISO images - questions

[stephen]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 01:19:35PM +0100, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, stephen wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 10:36:44AM +0100, stephen wrote:
> <...> 
> > btinternet in their infinite something, drop the line every 2 hrs
> > and it's dynamic ip, not a problem when i use download 4 x
> > netscape downloads need stopping and restarting.. pain
> > what happens with rsync connections, have i really got to wake up
> > every 2 hrs
> > i don't suppose anyone has a suitable script for adaption  ?
> 
> I run this from my crontab every 2 hours 20 minutes.
> ##
> #!/bin/bash
> # /usr/local/bin/rsync-iso
> echo ==
> echo rsync-iso - this script will download the latest Mandrake iso.
> echo

puzzle?

suppose i have the rc1 inst image, all 670+Mb of it

i thought the idea was to only pull the differences and still retain the bulk
of the file, and not after the first 2hr download session to end up the 40Mb
file?

Any ideas ?

Stephen R Parkinson 

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - questions

[Peter Ruskin]

On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, stephen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 10:36:44AM +0100, stephen wrote:
<...> 
> btinternet in their infinite something, drop the line every 2 hrs
> and it's dynamic ip, not a problem when i use download 4 x
> netscape downloads need stopping and restarting.. pain
> what happens with rsync connections, have i really got to wake up
> every 2 hrs
> i don't suppose anyone has a suitable script for adaption  ?

I run this from my crontab every 2 hours 20 minutes.
##
#!/bin/bash
# /usr/local/bin/rsync-iso
echo ==
echo rsync-iso - this script will download the latest Mandrake iso.
echo

#
# Variables
#
NORWAY="sunsite.uio.no::Mandrake/iso/"
REMOTEDIR=$NORWAY
LOCALPARTITION='/mnt/downloads'
LOCALDIR='/mnt/downloads/Mandrake/iso/'
MYISP='greatXscape'
DIALUPDELAY='20s'
ISTATUS=`netstat -i|grep ppp0`
# TIMEOUT This option allows you to set a maximum IO timeout in seconds. If no
# data is transferred for the specified time then rsync will exit. The default
# is 0, which means no timeout.  
TIMEOUT=7100
H=$[$TIMEOUT/3600]
S=$[$TIMEOUT-$[$H*3600]]
M=$[$S/60]
S=$[$S-$[$M*60]]

# If ppp already running, quit.
if [ "$ISTATUS" != "" ] ; then
echo "ppp already running - I'm leaving it alone! - Goodbye."
exit
fi

echo "Connecting to $MYISP ..."
echo
/sbin/ifup ppp0

# Allow a delay before connect.
while [ "$ISTATUS" == "" ] ; do
sleep 1
ISTATUS=`netstat -i|grep ppp0`
done

# I like this monitor.
echo "Spawning: GKrellM stacked system monitors ..."
echo
[ "$DISPLAY" = ":0" ] && /usr/X11R6/bin/gkrellm &

echo "Ready to start the download"
echo

if [ $H = 0 ] ; then
echo "After $M minutes, rsync will stop if data transfer is interrupted." 
elif [ $H = 1 ] ; then
echo "After 1 hour and $M minutes, rsync will stop if data transfer is 
interrupted."
else
echo "After $H hours and $M minutes, rsync will stop if data transfer is 
interrupted."
fi

# Get the start time
START=`date +%s`

# Get directory size at start
T1=`du -sm $LOCALDIR|gawk '{print $1}'`

# This is the busy stuff ...

rsync -rltvP --stats --timeout=$TIMEOUT \
$REMOTEDIR $LOCALDIR

# Get finish time ...
FIN=`date +%s`
ELAPSED=$[$FIN-$START]
H=$[$ELAPSED/3600]
S=$[$ELAPSED-$[$H*3600]]
M=$[$S/60]
S=$[$S-$[$M*60]]
# ... and report how long it ran at end of script.

# Get directory size at finish and report download size (at end of script).
T2=`du -sm $LOCALDIR|gawk '{print $1}'`
F=`df | grep $LOCALPARTITION|gawk '{print $5}'`
T=$(($T2-$T1))

# All done!
echo "quitting ppp ..."
/sbin/ifdown ppp0
echo

echo "terminating GKrellM ..."
echo
killall gkrellm &> /dev/null

# Report how long it ran.
echo
if (( $H == 0 )) ; then
echo "rsync was running for $M minutes until `date`." 
elif (( $H == 1 )) ; then
echo "rsync was running for 1 hour and $M minutes until `date`." 
else
echo "rsync was running for $H hours and $M minutes until `date`." 
fi  

# Report download size.
if (( $T != 0 )); then
if (( $T >= 0 )) ; then
echo
echo "After rsync, $LOCALPARTITION is now $T MB bigger at $T2 MB ( $F 
used )."
echo
else
echo
echo "After rsync, $LOCALPARTITION is now $((-$T)) MB smaller at $T2 
MB ( $F used )."
echo
fi
fi
exit 0
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Re: [Cooker] ISO images - questions

[stephen]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 10:36:44AM +0100, stephen wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:18:34PM +0930, Allen Bolderoff wrote:
> > 
> > /localpath/to/iso --partial --progress --stats
> > 
> permission denied.
> unexpected EOF in read_timeout
> 
> does this translate as busy, go away ??

translates as did not pull my email for upto date info

do in progress

btinternet in their infinite something, drop the line every 2 hrs
and it's dynamic ip, not a problem when i use download 4 x

netscape downloads need stopping and restarting.. pain


what happens with rsync connections, have i really got to wake up
every 2 hrs

i don't suppose anyone has a suitable script for adaption  ?

Stephen R Parkinson

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - questions

[stephen]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:18:34PM +0930, Allen Bolderoff wrote:
> 
> How about:
> 
> rsync -av remote.mirror.site::/path/to/iso
> /localpath/to/iso --partial --progress --stats
> 
> 
[stephen@zmemw16 stephen]$ rsync -av sunsite.uio.no::Mandrake-iso
receiving file list ... done
drwxr-xr-x8192 2000/10/27 19:53:23 .
-rw-r--r--   579280896 2000/10/27 19:50:56 Mandrake72-ext.iso
-rw-r--r--   680378368 2000/10/27 18:01:20 Mandrake72-inst.iso
-rw-r--r--1398 2000/10/25 21:01:03 README
-rw-r--r-- 107 2000/10/27 19:53:23 md5sums
wrote 81 bytes  read 616 bytes  16.40 bytes/sec
total size is 1259660769  speedup is 1807260.79

[stephen@zmemw16 stephen]$ rsync -av sunsite.uio.no:/Mandrake-iso/Mandrake72-inst.iso \
 /home/stephen/72/Mandrake72-inst.iso --stats --progress --partial

permission denied.
unexpected EOF in read_timeout



does this translate as busy, go away ??

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - please expand

[Ron Stodden]

stephen wrote:
> >
> [stephen@zmemw16 stephen]$ rsync -avv 
>sunsite.uio.no::/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/iso/Mandrake72-inst.iso \
>   /home/stephen/Mandrake72-inst.iso  --partial --progress --stats
> 
> ERROR: The remote path must start with a module name
> 
> I probably got the source path to file wrong, how do you get ls -l out of an
> rsync server

rsync remote.mirror.site::

will list all the site's available modules for you.  The module name
usually coincides with a step in the actual path, the module idea is
only a 'shortcut' to reduce common path lengths.

rsync remote.mirror.site::Mandrake-iso

will get you a list of what is available from that library.

rsync -n --progress --stats \
remote.mirror.site::Mandrake-iso/ \
/localpath/to/iso

sets up a dry run (no downloading) which will give you a list of the
full names of what would otherwise be downloaded.

Or, once you know where the library name points to, use ftp or http
to work out the rest of the path and to see what will be downloaded.

-- 
Regards,

Ron. [AU]

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - please expand

[Ben Reser]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 06:56:33AM +0100, stephen wrote:
> [stephen@zmemw16 stephen]$ rsync -avv 
>sunsite.uio.no::/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/iso/Mandrake72-inst.iso \
>   /home/stephen/Mandrake72-inst.iso  --partial --progress --stats
> 
> ERROR: The remote path must start with a module name 

You want:
rsync -avv --partial --progress --stats \
sunsite.uio.no::Mandrake/iso/Mandrake72-inst.iso \
/home/stephen/Mandrake72-inst.iso

> I probably got the source path to file wrong, how do you get ls -l out of an
> rsync server

To find out the modules just do:
rsync sunsite.uio.no::

To find out the files say in the iso dir do:
rsync -a sunsite.uio.no::Mandrake/iso/

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you treat everything like a nail.

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - please expand

[stephen]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 05:18:34PM +0930, Allen Bolderoff wrote:
> 
> > howabout
> >
> How about:
> 
> rsync -av remote.mirror.site::/path/to/iso
> /localpath/to/iso --partial --progress --stats
> 
[stephen@zmemw16 stephen]$ rsync -avv 
sunsite.uio.no::/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/iso/Mandrake72-inst.iso \
  /home/stephen/Mandrake72-inst.iso  --partial --progress --stats

ERROR: The remote path must start with a module name 

I probably got the source path to file wrong, how do you get ls -l out of an
rsync server

Stephen R Parkinson

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - is a binary diff file possible ??

[Allen Bolderoff]

> howabout
>
> xdelta delta -9 beta3.iso rc1.iso beta_2_rc1_upgrade.gz
>

How about:

rsync -av remote.mirror.site::/path/to/iso
/localpath/to/iso --partial --progress --stats

this will do effectively what diff does, and only brings down what is
required. ie if the file is the same in many places, this will only bring
down the differences, and give you an identical copy of the remote file.

it usually saves me 500MB on a 600 MB iso (one version to the next) some
times even more, sometimes less.

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - is a binary diff file possible ??

[stephen]

Is it relevant as to how the two data streams are compressed, we are
interested in compressing the difference stream.

might be to a pure maths type person, bit beyond mine

howabout

xdelta delta -9 beta3.iso rc1.iso beta_2_rc1_upgrade.gz

assuming xdelta can handle 640M files ;-)

it's been trundling along upstairs for about 10hrs, but its
a p2-233 128M so it could take awhile.

perhaps someone else could take a crack at it as well

i tried it yesterday with 100M off the front of each iso, but
can't remember the size of the result file. i stopped it in order
to go for delta'ing the lot.

i wouldn't have done that if the size wasn't quite small,
maybe 30M

if you were tracking mandrake, had pulled the first beta,
and had the choice of another 640M or 150M download and 'patching' ??


Stephen R Parkinson

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[root]

> Did it help what I wrote?

hd.img worked fine, although it would only install from the install CD's
ISO and not from the extension CD's ISO, so I didn't get all the stuff
installed.

> I responded to your post only because I saw it in a reply to your mail.
> Your mail has not yet gotten here from the list.  But obviously, some have
> gotten it.  But I did not.  Did this make more sense to you?

That makes sense.
JJ

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[root]

Ummm...
Why is it, that if you don't specify the ISO name on the first ISO mount
attempt it looks for ReiserFS on all subsequent attempts?  I'm talking
about with hd.img.
JJ

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[guran remberg]

Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:

> guran remberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Thus an iso image is just an image on top of whatever. As certain
> > distributions only make iso images public, meaning I can't use an hd.img
> > installation, as with Mandrake. So I want to install from a hd - iso
>
> That's not true, we provide an ISO image for convenience, but you can use
> some other means of install such as "hd.img" to install directly from the
> ISO image, or "hd.img" to install from a tree on your harddrive.
>
> --
> Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
> http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Forgive me, that is my bad english, I meant ' as I can with Mandrake'

regards
guran

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

guran remberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> Thus an iso image is just an image on top of whatever. As certain
> distributions only make iso images public, meaning I can't use an hd.img
> installation, as with Mandrake. So I want to install from a hd - iso

That's not true, we provide an ISO image for convenience, but you can use
some other means of install such as "hd.img" to install directly from the
ISO image, or "hd.img" to install from a tree on your harddrive.



-- 
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http://us.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach Joshua Jackson am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 03:28:40AM -0500:
> Yes, that's exactly what I was asking, 'cuz I don't have a burner.  I
> have to swing my hard drive to a friends to burn.

Did it help what I wrote?

> Why do you mean, not get here?

I responded to your post only because I saw it in a reply to your mail. 
Your mail has not yet gotten here from the list.  But obviously, some have
gotten it.  But I did not.  Did this make more sense to you?

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Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> > > Can you install/upgrade Mandrake via an ISO on the hard drive?  Like reboot
> 
> Yes.  I think when you use the hd.img or cdrom.img (can't remember), you can
> specify that you want to install from an ISO image.

Yes, from hd.img that works.



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Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[Joshua Jackson]

> Yes.  I think when you use the hd.img or cdrom.img (can't remember), you can
> specify that you want to install from an ISO image.
> 
> No, you don't.  All you need is this floppy-disk image and the ISO, that's
> all.  That is, if I understood you correctly.
> 
> How I understood you was, that you have the Mandrake ISO on hard drive and
> want to install it without burning it to a CD.  True?

Yes, that's exactly what I was asking, 'cuz I don't have a burner.  I
have to swing my hard drive to a friends to burn.

> PS: Why did the message from Joshua not get here?  Strange...

Why do you mean, not get here?
JJ

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach guran remberg am Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:54:18PM +:

> Thus an iso image is just an image on top of whatever. As certain
> distributions only make iso images public, meaning I can't use an hd.img
> installation, as with Mandrake. So I want to install from a hd - iso
> image.

That's what you mean.  Well, I don't suppose it is possible to do it that
way.  To install a new distrbution (! Mandrake), you certainly have to boot
your machine, and when you're booting, you'll of course unmount everything. 
Especially your loop devices.
If the thing you're trying to install cannot be installed from a running
Linux, ie. it has to be booted, and when that thing cannot be installed from
a set of files on some hard drive, you're out of luck.  If it can do the
latter, you can mount like instructed, copy everything in some easily
remembered place, and do the install from there.  If the first case is true,
you may as well install from that mentioned mount point.

I hope I could give you some insight.

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Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[Alexander Skwar]

So sprach guran remberg am Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:09:35PM +:

> Joshua Jackson wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, that's a very good question...
> > Can you install/upgrade Mandrake via an ISO on the hard drive?  Like reboot

Yes.  I think when you use the hd.img or cdrom.img (can't remember), you can
specify that you want to install from an ISO image.

> > and have the ISO initialize during the bootup?  Grant that you would have to
> > already have Linux on the system, but like to reformat and install the

No, you don't.  All you need is this floppy-disk image and the ISO, that's
all.  That is, if I understood you correctly.

How I understood you was, that you have the Mandrake ISO on hard drive and
want to install it without burning it to a CD.  True?

PS: Why did the message from Joshua not get here?  Strange...

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Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[guran remberg]

Joshua Jackson wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's a very good question...
> Can you install/upgrade Mandrake via an ISO on the hard drive?  Like reboot
> and have the ISO initialize during the bootup?  Grant that you would have to
> already have Linux on the system, but like to reformat and install the
> current RC.
> JJ
> 
At my post office is a IBM harddrive of 30GB, waiting to be picked up. I
could really not see any use for that much, so I started to use my
fantasie.

I have a coyote firewall that runs within 12 MB of RAM. With a coming
256 MB of RAM, I could use a piece of it to run a small Linux. This
Linux could then install, by running as a cdrom-filter, my ISO image
onto a newly formatted partition.

Well, that was my initial thought, but I have understood that I somtimes
do day-dreaming.

regards 
guran

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[guran remberg]

pgeorges wrote:
> 
> guran remberg a écrit :
> 
> > I am on my way to an upgrade so I have a question:
> >
> > Is it feasable to mount a hd partition, as a large ISO 9660 image? This
> > could thus be used as cdrom, for me that don't have a cd-burner. I may
> > then easily test any ISO image.
> >
> > If it is possible, where can I find out how?
> 
> Do you mean
> 
> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /.../odyssey-rc.iso /mnt/iso ?

To be frank, I don't know what I mean, because then I should have it so
structured that I could look for the correct commands.

As I see it, Linux looks at data through filters, as from /dev.

Thus an iso image is just an image on top of whatever. As certain
distributions only make iso images public, meaning I can't use an hd.img
installation, as with Mandrake. So I want to install from a hd - iso
image.

I will study the man pages concerning your script line, thanks.

regards
guran

Re: [Cooker] ISO on hd

[pgeorges]

guran remberg a écrit :


> I am on my way to an upgrade so I have a question:
> 
> Is it feasable to mount a hd partition, as a large ISO 9660 image? This
> could thus be used as cdrom, for me that don't have a cd-burner. I may
> then easily test any ISO image.
> 
> If it is possible, where can I find out how?

Do you mean

mount -t iso9660 -o loop /.../odyssey-rc.iso /mnt/iso ?

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - is a binary diff file possible ??

[Thierry Vignaud]

Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2a  all RPMs come already compressed

RPMs are cpio archive + a rpm header (requirements, what is providing,
description, date, version, changelog and the like).
They're not compressed.
most SRPMs content is compressed.

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - is a binary diff file possible ??

[Giuseppe Ghibo']

stephen wrote:
> 
> Having only just finished downloading Beta3, the air became
> slightly colourful when as browsing email I saw RC1 mentioned,
> closely followed by a 'here we go again' feeling, my computer
> is definitely moving out of my bedroom.
> 
> I should perhaps mention my modem, that's why I waited for
> a slightly longer lasting beta than 1 & 2 ;-)
> 
> Questions::
> 1. Would a binary difference file be possible ?

yes, through xdelta, using

xdelta delta RC1.iso RC3.iso RC3.xd

and then rebuild

xdelta patch RC3.xd RC1.iso RC3.iso

> 2. Would it necessaryily be significantly smaller ?

it's not said, but could be. We don't know unless we try, but depends
on how many RPM packages are changed and how they are placed in the ISO image.
Generally if you do an xdelta between two RPMs (whose files differs only in a few 
bytes)
the size of the "delta" file is near the size of the original file (because the gzipped
stream is totally different). I never did that on two "almost" near .ISO image files.

> 2a. How would it compress ?

xdelta files are already gzipped. Note also that 99% of the ISO image contents
contains RPM files, which can't be furthermore packed.

> 3. If it was say 20-50%, would you produce one for the mirrors ?
> 4. Would it be similar for 'Extension' cdroms ?

Bye.
Giuseppe.

Re: [Cooker] ISO images - is a binary diff file possible ??

[Ron Stodden]

stephen wrote:
 
> I should perhaps mention my modem, that's why I waited for
> a slightly longer lasting beta than 1 & 2 ;-)
> 
> Questions::
> 1. Would a binary difference file be possible ?
> 2. Would it necessaryily be significantly smaller ?
> 2a. How would it compress ?
> 3. If it was say 20-50%, would you produce one for the mirrors ?
> 4. Would it be similar for 'Extension' cdroms ?

1   yes
2   yes
2a  all RPMs come already compressed
3   Visit my web page:

http://members.optushome.com.au/ronst/

and download the fast rsync downloader (no_sync.pl and rsync_exclude)
that does all this.

4   The above is based on tree downloading and hd.img install and
does not waste time and money with iso images or CDROM installs.  As
downloaded, it is tailored for English English and US international
keyboard only - the hundreds of megabytes of other locale stuff is
not downloaded.

-- 
Regards,

Ron. [AU]

Re: [Cooker] ISO making script [take IV] Troels' script

[Leon Brooks]

Alexander Skwar wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:27:26AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
>> I'm beginning to suspect that this script author didn't use BASH. I've added a

> I use the scripts from Troels Liebe Bentsen, which I attached to this mail.
> All you need to call is ./genisocooker and make sure that a) all the scripts
> are in the current directory and b) that the settings in genisocooker fits
> your needs.

Thanks muchly, I will give it a go when I can lay hands on a working SCSI card.
)-:

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Re: [Cooker] ISO making script [take IV]

[Warly]

Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:27:26AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
> > I'm beginning to suspect that this script author didn't use BASH. I've added a
> 
> I use the scripts from Troels Liebe Bentsen, which I attached to this mail. 
> All you need to call is ./genisocooker and make sure that a) all the scripts
> are in the current directory and b) that the settings in genisocooker fits
> your needs.

personal comments added:


[2. text/plain; gencompss]

#!/usr/bin/perl

open F, "bzip2 -dc @ARGV 2>/dev/null | hdlist2groups - |";
foreach () {
chop;
/(.*):(.*)/;
$l{$2}{$1} = undef;
}
close F or die;
foreach (sort keys %l) {
print "$_\n";
print "\t$_\n" foreach sort keys %{$l{$_}};
print "\n";
}

this one is no more needed, genbasefiles contains it in /misc

 --

[5. text/plain; genisocooker]

[...]

# generate the dependance files
echo "generate the dependance files"
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{hdlists,hdlist.cz2}
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS
echo "hdlist.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS Installation CD (x86)" > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2 
$mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2
echo "hdlist2.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS2 Extension CD (x86)" >> 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

# Needed if you have added rpm.
echo "Needed if you have added rpm."
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss
./gencompss $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist*.cz2 > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{depslist,depslist.ordered,filelist}
gendepslist2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/depslist 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2
genfilelist $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2 > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/filelist


better to do this

# generate the dependance files
echo "generate the dependance files"
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{hdlists,hdlist.cz2}
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS
echo "hdlist.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS Installation CD (x86)" > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2 
$mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2
echo "hdlist2.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS2 Extension CD (x86)" >> 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{depslist,depslist.ordered,filelist}
genbasefiles $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/ $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2
genfilelist $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2 > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/filelist

# resort the hdlist with the order of the depslist to be more efficient
genhdlist_cz2 --ordered-depslist $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/depslist.ordered  
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS
genhdlist_cz2 --ordered-depslist $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/depslist.ordered  
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2

   

# create the first iso image
echo "create the first iso image"
mkisofs -r -J -V $mdkISOLABLE1\
 -o $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME1 \
 -b images/cdrom.img \
 -c images/boot.cat \
 $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP \
 $mdkLOCALROOT

better to use the all.img, 2.88 MB with all the modules (images/all.img)


Say me if I made some typos

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Re: [Cooker] ISO making script [take IV]

[Alexander Skwar]

On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 09:27:26AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
> I'm beginning to suspect that this script author didn't use BASH. I've added a

I use the scripts from Troels Liebe Bentsen, which I attached to this mail. 
All you need to call is ./genisocooker and make sure that a) all the scripts
are in the current directory and b) that the settings in genisocooker fits
your needs.

HTH

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#!/usr/bin/perl

open F, "bzip2 -dc @ARGV 2>/dev/null | hdlist2groups - |";
foreach () {
chop;
/(.*):(.*)/;
$l{$2}{$1} = undef;
}
close F or die;
foreach (sort keys %l) {
print "$_\n";
print "\t$_\n" foreach sort keys %{$l{$_}};
print "\n";
}


#!/bin/sh

# Linux-Mandrake Cooker HDlist Creation, flat version
# Made by Troels Liebe Bentsen from Kenny Graunke's script.

mdkLOCALROOT=/dist/Mandrake/cooker

# generate the dependance files
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{hdlists,hdlist.cz2}
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS
echo "hdlist.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS Installation CD (x86)" > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

# Needed if you have added rpm.
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss
./gencompss $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist*.cz2 > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{depslist,depslist.ordered,filelist}
gendepslist2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/depslist 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2
genfilelist $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS > $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/filelist

#!/bin/sh

# Linux-Mandrake Helium ISO CD Creation Script
# Made by Troels Liebe Bentsen.

mdkLOCALROOT=/dist/Mandrake-stable
mdkLOCALROOTTMP=/dist/Mandrake-stable2
mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP=/dist/Mandrake-stable2-img
mdkISODIR=/dist/iso
mdkISONAME1=MinLinux-0.1-ins.iso
mdkISONAME2=MinLinux-0.1-ext.iso
mdkISOLABLE1=MDK71INS
mdkISOLABLE2=MDK71EXT

rm -f $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME1 $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME2

# Do a little prep to get the boot images to the start of the first disk
rm -rf $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP
mkdir -p $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP
mv $mdkLOCALROOT/images $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP

mkdir -p $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake
mv $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS2 $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake

# create the first iso image
mkisofs -r -J -V $mdkISOLABLE1\
 -o $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME1 \
 -b images/cdrom.img \
 -c images/boot.cat \
 $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP \
 $mdkLOCALROOT

# move the images back where they belong
rm -rf $mdkLOCALROOT/images
mv -f $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP/images $mdkLOCALROOT/images
rm -rf $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP

# create the second iso image
mkisofs -r -J -V $mdkISOLABLE2\
 -o $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME2 \
 $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/

# Move all data back
mv $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/
rm -rf $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/

#!/bin/sh

# Linux-Mandrake Cooker ISO CD Creation Script
# Made by Troels Liebe Bentsen from Kenny Graunke's script.

shopt -s extglob

mdkLOCALROOT=/opt/Mandrake
mdkLOCALROOTTMP=/opt/Mandrake-cooker2
mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP=/opt/Mandrake-cooker-img
mdkISODIR=/opt/iso
mdkISONAME1=cooker-inst.iso
mdkISONAME2=cooker-ext.iso
mdkISOLABLE1=MDKINS
mdkISOLABLE2=MDKEXT

rm -f $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME1 $mdkISODIR/$mdkISONAME2

# Move rpms to where they should go.
echo "Move rpms to where they should go."
mkdir -p $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2
mv $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS/* $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2
for i in `cat $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/rpmslist` ; do
 mv $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2/$i-!(*-*)-!(*-*)mdk*.rpm 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS 
done

# generate the dependance files
echo "generate the dependance files"
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{hdlists,hdlist.cz2}
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS
echo "hdlist.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS Installation CD (x86)" > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2
genhdlist_cz2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2 
$mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2
echo "hdlist2.cz2 Mandrake/RPMS2 Extension CD (x86)" >> 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlists

# Needed if you have added rpm.
echo "Needed if you have added rpm."
rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss
./gencompss $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist*.cz2 > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/compss

rm -f $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/{depslist,depslist.ordered,filelist}
gendepslist2 -o $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/depslist 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz2 $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz2
genfilelist $mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/RPMS $mdkLOCALROOTTMP/Mandrake/RPMS2 > 
$mdkLOCALROOT/Mandrake/base/filelist

# Do a little prep to get the boot images to the start of the first disk
echo "Do a little prep to get the boot images to the start of the first disk"
rm -rf $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP
mkdir -p $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP
mv $mdkLOCALROOT/images $mdkBOOTIMAGESTMP

# create the first iso image
echo "create the first iso image"
mkisofs -r -J -V $mdkIS

Re: [Cooker] ISO making script [take IV]

[Leon Brooks]

Leon Brooks wrote:
>> Alexander Skwar wrote:
> 72beta_mkcd.sh was totally broken on my (Mandrake 7.1) system.

 What script?  Where did you get it from?

>>> From the 72beta FTP page on www.linux-mandrake.com

>> Works much better now that I've upgraded my rpmtools RPM (see comment in
>> attached, updated, seems-to-be-working script).

> Oh, well, nice theory. The sed regex near line 100 was inadequate, change it to
> this:

> 's/\-[^-]*\-[0-9][^-]*mdk[a-z]*\..*$//'

I'm beginning to suspect that this script author didn't use BASH. I've added a
few tasteful asterisks which will hopefully stop the script from trying to nest
about a gigabyte of duplicate files within the first ISO. Updated script
attached.

-- 
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-- Garth Snyder
 72beta1_mkcd.sh

Re: [Cooker] ISO making script [take III]

[Leon Brooks]

Leon Brooks wrote:
> Alexander Skwar wrote:
 72beta_mkcd.sh was totally broken on my (Mandrake 7.1) system.

>>> What script?  Where did you get it from?

>> From the 72beta FTP page on www.linux-mandrake.com

> Works much better now that I've upgraded my rpmtools RPM (see comment in
> attached, updated, seems-to-be-working script).

Oh, well, nice theory. The sed regex near line 100 was inadequate, change it to
this:

's/\-[^-]*\-[0-9][^-]*mdk[a-z]*\..*$//'

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drinking reference here)." -- Dave Mark "Learn C on the Macintosh"

Re: [Cooker] ISO making script

[Leon Brooks]

Alexander Skwar wrote:
>> 72beta_mkcd.sh was totally broken on my (Mandrake 7.1) system.

> What script?  Where did you get it from?

>From the 72beta FTP page on www.linux-mandrake.com

>> The genfilelist command does not exist either in my distro or in the mirrored
>> files. Where can I get one.

> Look closer:
> [askwar@teich ~/RPM]$ rpm -qf `which genfilelist`
> rpmtools-devel-1.2-11mdk

Didn't work at all well on my 7.1 system.

Works much better now that I've upgraded my rpmtools RPM (see comment in
attached, updated, seems-to-be-working script).

Thanks for the pointer, Alexander. We chose your name for our first-born son
(now 13mo), not because of this simple but effective tip but because it is a
good name. Enjoy it! (-:

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through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to
get to a job that you need so you can pay for the clothes, car and
the house that you leave empty all day in order to afford to live in
it." -- Ellen Goodman
 72beta1_mkcd.sh

Re: [Cooker] ISO making script

[Alexander Skwar]

On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 09:38:31PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
> Is the cooker list archived somewhere?

Yeah, same place where all the other Mdk lists are archived,
mailarchive.com, or something like this.

> 
> 72beta_mkcd.sh was totally broken on my (Mandrake 7.1) system.

What script?  Where did you get it from?

> 
> The genfilelist command does not exist either in my distro or in the mirrored
> files. Where can I get one.

Look closer:
[askwar@teich ~/RPM]$ rpm -qf `which genfilelist`
rpmtools-devel-1.2-11mdk

Alexander Skwar
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RE: [Cooker] iso of Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta

[Ralph]

that's what I'm talking about where is it!!!

> ok - where is it???  I've been checking mirrors all morning with no luck.  I
> can't even find the complete non-iso version (found a 7.2 beta folder on
> rpmfind, but it had nothing in the /images directory.
> 
> Mike
> 
> > List-Owner: 
> > Subject: [Cooker] iso of Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta
> >
> >
> > 'lo folks, happy to announce to you before everyone else that you can
> > grab the new Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta (Ulysses) iso files for
> > CD 1 and 2 from your favorite iso mirror.
> >
> > Remember that it is our first beta (alpha ?) and that a lot
> > of work still needs to be done, enjoy anyway.
> >
> > A new iso will be made in one or 2 weeks, and release candidates
> > should appear by the end of the month.
> >
> 
> Anyone wanna make an announcement on slashdot ..
> 
> 
> --
> Geoff
-- 
   WHEREEVER YOUR HEAD GOES YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW!!

RE: [Cooker] iso of Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta

[Mike & Tracy Holt]

ok - where is it???  I've been checking mirrors all morning with no luck.  I
can't even find the complete non-iso version (found a 7.2 beta folder on
rpmfind, but it had nothing in the /images directory.

Mike

> List-Owner: 
> Subject: [Cooker] iso of Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta
>
>
> 'lo folks, happy to announce to you before everyone else that you can
> grab the new Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta (Ulysses) iso files for
> CD 1 and 2 from your favorite iso mirror.
>
> Remember that it is our first beta (alpha ?) and that a lot
> of work still needs to be done, enjoy anyway.
>
> A new iso will be made in one or 2 weeks, and release candidates
> should appear by the end of the month.
>

Anyone wanna make an announcement on slashdot ..


--
Geoff

Re: [Cooker] iso of Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta

[Geoffrey Lee]

> List-Owner: 
> Subject: [Cooker] iso of Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta 
>
>
> 'lo folks, happy to announce to you before everyone else that you can
> grab the new Linux-Mandrake 7.2 beta (Ulysses) iso files for
> CD 1 and 2 from your favorite iso mirror.
>
> Remember that it is our first beta (alpha ?) and that a lot
> of work still needs to be done, enjoy anyway.
>
> A new iso will be made in one or 2 weeks, and release candidates 
> should appear by the end of the month.
>

Anyone wanna make an announcement on slashdot ..


--
Geoff

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

William H Bouterse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;)
> but this sounds like a reasonable solution !?

what do you mean?

xfce is GPL.

[and i obviously did not say anything on xfce for long, except that i
don't like it :-)]


-- 
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http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> William H Bouterse a écrit :
> > 
> > I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;)
> > but this sounds like a reasonable solution !?
> It seems you are confusing me with my honorable homonym working for
> MandrakeSoft, Guillaume Cottenceau, as i never expressed any kind of
> opinion about XFCE/XFWM (in fact, i never heard of it before).

Me neither.

Bill, can you quote exactly G. Rousse's statement?


> I'm getting to put a copyright on my first name to avoid such horrible
> confusion in the future ... :-)

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http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

"David Foresman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> i always use SBLIVE as the perfect example of this.
> 
> Before creative opened the source for emu10k1, the driver was binary only,
> only worked with 1 kernel, and didn't work that well.
> 
> After 1 month of being open source, the driver compiled, ran great, was smp
> compatible, and was working better than ever.  Now it's even better than
> that.
> 
> If nvidia or any of the other hardware makers could do that, they would
> benifit with code they could probably take to winblows and improve
> performance over there.

Yes -- obviously!

Problem is that many companies use many resources/efforts to protect their
"innovations", therefore they fear that openning sources will lead their
competitors to steal their good ideas.

This is the same for ID software, for example, who open the source of
their old stuff because it would then be of no help to competitors,
whereas obviously their current stuff is pretty good compared to
competitors.


But -- openning the source would also lead to improvement in the quality
of the software, provided the base of hackers interested in this stuff is
large enough (which is not always true).

So this would also benefit greatly to the sales of current product of the
company because then linuxians would be more subject to choose this
hardware, once it is well supported.



-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Geoffrey Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> it under some free license, i ain't gonna vote to include htem in the distro.

Anyway; we have made MandrakeSoft's position very clear: nothing non-free
should be in the installation CDROM, except Netscape (because we can't
remove it at present time).



-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed
> distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included,

Yes, that is what was studied, at least for riva stuff. I don't know what
is the status. Jean-Loup?

> along with correct links and installation instruction, could be provided
> on main CD ?

As long as it's on comm CD, the installer can handle it since 7.1



-- 
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http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Denis Pelletier]

Hello,

does the 2.2.* kernel in the next release of Mandrake will include the
latest patch from utah-glx for AGP?

Denis

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Étudiant au doctorat
sciences économiques, Université de Montreal
 an ordinary boy an ordinary name
 but ordinary's just not good enough today
 --Our Lady Peace, Superman's Dead

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc.  For
> me it is no problem to go to the site and I know exactly where to get the
> drivers and who to talk to should issues arise. If everyone at Mandrake is
> wanting the distro to be one of the easiest to install as well as the most
> robust, I believe some of the binary drivers would be useful in the

There are many problems in doing that -- one of them is potential trojan
horses -- another one is GPL ideal, etc.

It's bad and we won't do that. We already trolled long about that.


-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Guillaume Cottenceau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> We do not do sale ourselves.

What I want to say is that we do not do sales by ourselves. [this sentence
can be multiply interpreted ;-)] 

> Anyway by any chance the BETA's will only reflect the situation of a
> frozen Cooker at one time.

What I want to say is that: if you install the "frozen cooker" the day
after the release of BETA1, it will be 99.9% the same.


-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image
> 
> Sounds like you guys are on the ball with beta testing. Good job.
> 
> Will any TreLOS/Win4Lin kernel hooks be integrated into the Mandrake kernel
> for the next version? If not, anytime later?
> 
> Hoyt


What is this "From: Guillaume Cottenceau" doing there?!?!?!



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http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

William H Bouterse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Could the non-included binaries be mentioned
> and simple directions in where to go to get them
> be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge
> from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :)

That was a question for aureal stuff for example. This is up to pixel and
denis AFAIK. But this is not something we're glad to spend time on.


> I have a connection much to slow to grab the ISO
> with any reliability. Could the betas be offered
> for sale (with the no guarantee clause of course).
> I would be glad to pay a little more from MandrakeSoft
> rather than waiting for CheapBytes, etc.

We do not do sale ourselves.

Anyway by any chance the BETA's will only reflect the situation of a
frozen Cooker at one time.



-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image

Sounds like you guys are on the ball with beta testing. Good job.

Will any TreLOS/Win4Lin kernel hooks be integrated into the Mandrake kernel
for the next version? If not, anytime later?

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Warly wrote:
> > 
> > Dear cooker members,
> > 
> > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming
> > Linux-Mandrake 7.2.
> 
> Noted that it is for 7.2, and NOT for a 7.2 beta test.
> No mention of at least a pretence of a beta test, so this time you
> are at least being honest.

You're kidding!? This is the first iso image, e.g. first BETA, for the
upcomming LM 7.2


[...]

> Perhaps you know what is going on, but we out here do not.  For
> example, where does this iso fit in the entire scheme of things? 

Already told here -- we plan 2/3 ISO's or more if needed.

Let's precise: 2/3 ISO's of BETA versions.

> Will it stay guaranteed frozen for long enough for a testing cycle
> (what is that? - say 1 or two months?)  And what are you hoping for

Freeze will go deeper as long as time passes. First, the internal
development will be soon frozen; second, upgrade for packages; third,
bugfixes for packages.

> from the Cooker community in response?Will the ISO include

Testing the ISO's if you would like.

> documentation of the full list of all the enhancements and of any
> changed procedures over 7.1?  And particularly list any 7.1

Certainly.

> applications or features not being carried forward into 7.2?

Possibly. Depending on QA's I believe -- qa?


-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


[...]

> So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond

yes we are ;-).

[...]


-- 
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http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

RE: [Cooker] ISO image

[Oliver Stieber]

> I for one make it a practice of purchasing a boxed set
> anyway to help the "cause" even if I already have it up
> and running. Plus its good to have something "packaged"
> to show potential new users/customers. Heck somone has to pay
> the salaries/wine bills. I once sent smoked salmon to a developer but
> the tarriff might be a bit high to EU> :)

i think you can buy kippers online ;-)

RE: [Cooker] ISO image

[Oliver Stieber]

i know it's only beta but how about the g400 driver for xfree4.1,
ftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2000/beta/

with a few people using it in the 7.2 betas &co, they may be able to get a
stable release out intime for 7.2

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Bryan Paxton]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote:
> > On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote:
> > > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a
> > > code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the
> > > installer now, at least for this version cycle.
> > > But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save
> > > your package selection configuration.
> > > That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend
> > > another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want
> > > installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration
> > > period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y
> > > settings are ok.
>
> This has my vote too.  I'd vote for putting it on a floppy.  That way I can
> run around and do all my upgrades with the exact same package selections!

Yes floppy was the idea : )
I suppose I should have mentioned that ; p

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Backup:  The duplicate copy of crucial data that no one bothered to make; 
used only in the abstract.

RE: [Cooker] ISO image

[Franck Martin]

Hi,

Simple request, that I do not know how to do...

Could you release freetds as a RPM in 7.2 (www.freetds.org). Freetds is a
library that allows database connection to MS-SQL and SYBASE servers. When
PHP is compiled with --enable-sybase, it allows the PHP code to access the
above database through php sybase calls. It is important in entreprise
environement...

I have been using freetds (manual install and PHP repackaging) for a year
now, and it working fine on my corporate server.

Thanks.

Franck Martin
Database Development Officer
SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission
Fiji
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-Original Message-
From: Warly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Cooker] ISO image



Dear cooker members,

We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming
Linux-Mandrake 7.2.

If you want some special versions or patches included in, please 
give your comments fast.

We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you,
and would like to let you better informed for this version.

Thanks

-- 
Warly

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Ben Reser]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote:
> On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote:
> 
> > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code 
> > freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at 
> > least for this version cycle. 
> > But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your 
> > package selection configuration. 
> > That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another 
> > nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. 
> > This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would 
> > need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. 

This has my vote too.  I'd vote for putting it on a floppy.  That way I can run
around and do all my upgrades with the exact same package selections!

-- 
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http://ben.reser.org

"Heuristics are bug ridden by definition. If they didn't
have bugs, then they'd be algorithms." 

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Bryan Paxton]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote:
> > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code
> > freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer
> > now, at least for this version cycle.
> > But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save
> > your package selection configuration.
> > That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend
> > another nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want
> > installed again. This may also be good for for the entire configuration
> > period, of you would need to double check with the user that x and y
> > settings are ok.
>
> This is an awesome idea that I agree with whole-heartedly.

I aim to please ; )
But like I said, I can't imagine how it would make it into 7.2


-- 
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Backup:  The duplicate copy of crucial data that no one bothered to make; 
used only in the abstract.

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Vincent Danen]

On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote:

> This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code 
> freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at 
> least for this version cycle. 
> But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your 
> package selection configuration. 
> That way, if something horrible goes wrong, you don't have to spend another 
> nasty amount of time selectings all the packages you want installed again. 
> This may also be good for for the entire configuration period, of you would 
> need to double check with the user that x and y settings are ok. 

This is an awesome idea that I agree with whole-heartedly.

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Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Pixel]

William H Bouterse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Could the non-included binaries be mentioned
> and simple directions in where to go to get them
> be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge
> from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :)

try urpmf!

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Pixel]

Anton Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Side note to Pixel: While the installer has improved tremendously since
> you started the GI, it is still *much* slower than the old one we used
> on 6.x (ca. 40 minutes to install 1 GB, compared to 15-18 with the 6.x

15-18 for installing 1GB in 6.x ? really?

> installer on a p200). Ignoring interface changes, what about the
> installer is causing these slowdowns?

we don't really know what makes the rpmlib but that slow :-(

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Pixel]

Troels Liebe Bentsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Keyboard selection in 7.1 is broken (at least for danish keyboard), i
> would be nice to see this fixed i 7.2.

how is it in cooker? ok?

> Move Keyboard and Language selection to bootdisk's so it would be
> possible to localize the bootdisks.

not possible, not enough room :-/

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Michael Irving]

Well first off.. Make a beta that is freezed totally ( atleast for a week)
Where I can test and give pointers and not get a message saying "Oh we have
fixed that.. didn't you mirror this or that package??"

A freeze is where NOTHING happens to the packages for a while, while we are
testing.. It is very annoying to download and install the latest version and
while testing you guys put out 10 changed packages.. Every time you guys
release a package all previous testing is vasted.

Also there still is NO way for mr Linux Newbie to change between Gnome and
KDE. Linux Newbie doesn't know that he should do a echo startkde >~/.xinitrc
to get kde instead of gnome wich seems to be the default these days.

Michael Irving with his 4 cents

- Original Message -
From: "Warly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:23 PM
Subject: [Cooker] ISO image


>
> Dear cooker members,
>
> We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming
> Linux-Mandrake 7.2.
>
> If you want some special versions or patches included in, please
> give your comments fast.
>
> We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you,
> and would like to let you better informed for this version.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Warly
>
>
>

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Ron Stodden]

Warly wrote:
> 
> Dear cooker members,
> 
> We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming
> Linux-Mandrake 7.2.

Noted that it is for 7.2, and NOT for a 7.2 beta test.
No mention of at least a pretence of a beta test, so this time you
are at least being honest.

An ISO is premature - You do recall that we have been publicly
promised a new distribution tree for 7.2 beta, separate from Cooker? 
This plainly should precede an ISO, and in fact must already exist
within MandrakeSoft, but has NOT been made public or given to the
mirrors.

> If you want some special versions or patches included in, please
> give your comments fast.
> 
> We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with you,
> and would like to let you better informed for this version.

I appreciate that greatly.

> Thanks

And no thanks, for me.  

Perhaps you know what is going on, but we out here do not.  For
example, where does this iso fit in the entire scheme of things? 
Will it stay guaranteed frozen for long enough for a testing cycle
(what is that? - say 1 or two months?)  And what are you hoping for
from the Cooker community in response?Will the ISO include
documentation of the full list of all the enhancements and of any
changed procedures over 7.1?  And particularly list any 7.1
applications or features not being carried forward into 7.2?

-- 
Regards,

Ron. [AU]

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Guillaume Rousse]

William H Bouterse a écrit :
> 
> I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;)
> but this sounds like a reasonable solution !?
It seems you are confusing me with my honorable homonym working for
MandrakeSoft, Guillaume Cottenceau, as i never expressed any kind of
opinion about XFCE/XFWM (in fact, i never heard of it before).
I'm getting to put a copyright on my first name to avoid such horrible
confusion in the future ... :-)
-- 
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Iremia - Université de la Réunion

Plus petites unités de mesure 
- de longueur : le millimètre
- de volume : le millilitre
- d'intelligence : le militaire

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[William H Bouterse]

I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;)
but this sounds like a reasonable solution !?

Guillaume Rousse wrote:

> Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed
> distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included,
> along with correct links and installation instruction, could be provided
> on main CD ?
> 
> --
> Guillaume Rousse

I for one make it a practice of purchasing a boxed set
anyway to help the "cause" even if I already have it up
and running. Plus its good to have something "packaged"
to show potential new users/customers. Heck somone has to pay
the salaries/wine bills. I once sent smoked salmon to a developer but
the tarriff might be a bit high to EU> :)

William Bouterse
Talkeetna Alaska

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[Anton Graham]

Submitted 19-Aug-00 by Warly:

> Dear cooker members,

> We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming
> Linux-Mandrake 7.2.

Would it be possible/feasible to some of the mirrors to mount the ISO as
a loopback so that we could simply mirror/update packages?  Frankly, the
only system I hav available for testing I would prefer not to do fresh
installs on (and as I recall, the upgrade code is still terribly slow).

Side note to Pixel: While the installer has improved tremendously since
you started the GI, it is still *much* slower than the old one we used
on 6.x (ca. 40 minutes to install 1 GB, compared to 15-18 with the 6.x
installer on a p200). Ignoring interface changes, what about the
installer is causing these slowdowns?

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Re: [Cooker] ISO image

[David Foresman]

i always use SBLIVE as the perfect example of this.

Before creative opened the source for emu10k1, the driver was binary only,
only worked with 1 kernel, and didn't work that well.

After 1 month of being open source, the driver compiled, ran great, was smp
compatible, and was working better than ever.  Now it's even better than
that.

If nvidia or any of the other hardware makers could do that, they would
benifit with code they could probably take to winblows and improve
performance over there.


- Original Message -
From: "Geoffrey Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image


> [...]
>
> > Remember also, complaining to the manufacturers can eventually pay off.
> > Witness the recent availability of open source drivers for Yamaha PCI
> > sound cards.
> >
> > Were I a hardware manufacturer, I wouldn't care what operating system
> > was installed on the machine it was going into as long as the hardware
> > was compatible (can't put an ISA card into a Mac, for example).  And
> > that is how the manufacturers _used_ to view things.  No matter what you
> > choose to blame the change on, it is still the manufacturers who are
> > making it difficult.
> >
>
> still, the binary drivers *is* a start. i guess they must be wondering why
> even with drivers the major distributions aren't contcating htem about
> licensing issues with including it in their main distro! :) in general
something
> in GNU/Linux without source .tar.gz, i don't use it ...
>
> back to the point, until they open source the drivers, or better still
release
> it under some free license, i ain't gonna vote to include htem in the
distro.
>
> --
> Geoff
>
>