Re: [Cooker] Why doesn't kde require X
> I was setting up a chroot environment tonight and I did > > 'urpmi --root /mnt/newroot kmail' > > and XFree86 did not get installed. Is this normal or correct? you need XFree86-libs to run X11 programs and XFree86 to run them on local display. You may as well want to run them on remote display only (consider system without graphic card).
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
rsync-plus. The documentation of rsync-plus on my web site (see sig) has been updated so as to now include instructions for executing the rsync-plus perl modules. Thanks for bringing this oversight to my attention. To cause rsync-plus to download Mandrake for all languages, just don't download the rsync_exclude file, or delete or rename it.Your total download will increase by well over 500MB. Felix Miata wrote: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful! I went there when I first set up my cooker box a few weeks ago. From that page the only thing that I could figure out how to use was http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/rsync-plus/rsync_exclude. I'm not a programmer, and don't know how to use your perl stuff. Another stopper was being forced to use UK English, without which I might have tried harder to understand exactly how to use your stuff. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] "If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come" Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Packages tend to be propagated to mirrors before the hdlists, so if you happen to catch a mirror while it's busy updating, you may well find a situation where the hdlist it has no longer reflects the packages it has. Thus the missing packages (these would be ones that had been updated twice since your rsync; the hdlist would contain version X+1, which the actual file on the mirror would be X+2) and the non-updated kernel (which had presumably only been updated once; you have 9mdk, the hdlist lists 9mdk so urpmi thinks there is no update available, even though 10mdk was actually on the mirror by that point). And this is why somebody should start using an .!UNSAFE flag on servers example session 1 upload a file named .!UNSAFE to the server 2 start rsync 3 successfully complete rsync 4 delete .!UNSAFE this way a script or person or whatever can check for the .!UNSAFE file and then if it is found wait for a semirandom time and restart if this is started all the way at the top (mandrakesoft) then huge amounts of time/bandwidth can be saved. (and yes the exact file name could be translated into whatever the native language of the server is (or just something like .!!! that just looks funny))
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 17:27, Felix Miata wrote: > I installed fresh from my sunet cooker rsync about three days ago. Last > night (around 02:00 UTC) I freshened my rsync, then did the following: > > 1-urpmi.addmedia --update cooker-updates > file://mnt/nfs/ax5t3/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz > > 2-urpmi -a > > 3-urpmi -v --auto-select > > 4-urpmi kernel > > Step 3 installed about 39 packages and ended with a warning that two > packages were not available. Step 4 ended with "everything already > installed", even though my kernel was 2.4.22-9, but the package on the > mirror is 2.4.22-10. So, I went to the RPMS directory and successfully > ran 'rpm -i kernel-2.4.22-10mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm'. > > Is this oddball 10mdk-1-1mdk rpm the reason why urpmi wouldn't install > it? How do I find out what other existing packages didn't install? Why > were there packages missing? Anyway, to answer the original question despite Ron's masterful diversion of it to be about his download script...this is probably just due to a synchronisation problem between the hdlist and the available packages. Packages tend to be propagated to mirrors before the hdlists, so if you happen to catch a mirror while it's busy updating, you may well find a situation where the hdlist it has no longer reflects the packages it has. Thus the missing packages (these would be ones that had been updated twice since your rsync; the hdlist would contain version X+1, which the actual file on the mirror would be X+2) and the non-updated kernel (which had presumably only been updated once; you have 9mdk, the hdlist lists 9mdk so urpmi thinks there is no update available, even though 10mdk was actually on the mirror by that point). -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Felix Miata kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Lauantai 20 Syyskuu 2003 20:47): > Ron Stodden wrote: > > Are you not aware of our very popular fastest Mandrake downloader? It > > will always beat the use of raw rsync when there are updates to > > download. See sig. > > > > It properly downloads updated kernel RPMs usually distributed in > > Mandrake Updates. These are correctly installed as additional lilo > > stanzas by the Mandrake Software Manangement dialogs in 9.1. > > I don't use Lilo. I don't want additional Grub stanzas simply because I > installed a newer kernel either. Why should I need the old after > upgrading? > if the new kernel fails, you will be happy ta have an older one to boot from ;-) > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful! > > I went there when I first set up my cooker box a few weeks ago. From > that page the only thing that I could figure out how to use was > http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/rsync-plus/rsync_exclude. I'm not a > programmer, and don't know how to use your perl stuff. Another stopper > was being forced to use UK English, without which I might have tried > harder to understand exactly how to use your stuff. The english-only part is only an option, not a setting forced on you... An other script that works great is the rpmsync that we have in contribs, wich also works great ;-) -- Regards Thomas
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Felix Miata wrote: I don't use Lilo. I don't want additional Grub stanzas simply because I installed a newer kernel either. Why should I need the old after upgrading? Because occasionally a newer kernel can cause problems. Plus having two different versions of the kernel can help checkout subtle issues. It's always been a good rule of thumb to have a fallback kernel just in case the install of the new kernel goes bad or has issues. -randy
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Ron Stodden wrote: Felix, et al, Are you not aware of our very popular fastest Mandrake downloader? It will always beat the use of raw rsync when there are updates to download. See sig. I can vouch for the rsync scripts Ron has. I have switched to that for syncing with cooker. -randy
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Ron Stodden wrote: > Are you not aware of our very popular fastest Mandrake downloader? It > will always beat the use of raw rsync when there are updates to > download. See sig. > It properly downloads updated kernel RPMs usually distributed in > Mandrake Updates. These are correctly installed as additional lilo > stanzas by the Mandrake Software Manangement dialogs in 9.1. I don't use Lilo. I don't want additional Grub stanzas simply because I installed a newer kernel either. Why should I need the old after upgrading? > http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful! I went there when I first set up my cooker box a few weeks ago. From that page the only thing that I could figure out how to use was http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/rsync-plus/rsync_exclude. I'm not a programmer, and don't know how to use your perl stuff. Another stopper was being forced to use UK English, without which I might have tried harder to understand exactly how to use your stuff. -- "...[B]e quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry" James 1:19 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
Re: [Cooker] Why Is My Update Broken?
Felix, et al, Are you not aware of our very popular fastest Mandrake downloader? It will always beat the use of raw rsync when there are updates to download. See sig. It properly downloads updated kernel RPMs usually distributed in Mandrake Updates. These are correctly installed as additional lilo stanzas by the Mandrake Software Manangement dialogs in 9.1. Felix Miata wrote: I installed fresh from my sunet cooker rsync about three days ago. Last night (around 02:00 UTC) I freshened my rsync, then did the following: 1-urpmi.addmedia --update cooker-updates file://mnt/nfs/ax5t3/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz 2-urpmi -a 3-urpmi -v --auto-select 4-urpmi kernel Step 3 installed about 39 packages and ended with a warning that two packages were not available. Step 4 ended with "everything already installed", even though my kernel was 2.4.22-9, but the package on the mirror is 2.4.22-10. So, I went to the RPMS directory and successfully ran 'rpm -i kernel-2.4.22-10mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm'. Is this oddball 10mdk-1-1mdk rpm the reason why urpmi wouldn't install it? How do I find out what other existing packages didn't install? Why were there packages missing? BTW, after each rsync, the last screen message (after size/speedup) is not appended to the log. That last message is always of the form: "rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1045)". Why is this line not appended? Why the error message at all? -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] "If you keep a green bough in your heart, the singing bird will come" Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Click all ye faithful!
Re: [Cooker] why is cups-drivers dependant on XFree86 ?
Le Mardi 05 Août 2003 22:06, Lea Gris a écrit : > Hi, > > Why is cups-drivers dependant on XFree86 ? > > What if I want to setup a network printer server without XFree ? > > urpmi cups-drivers > Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être > installés (39 Mo): > XFree86-libs-4.3-5mdk.i586 > XFree86-xfs-4.3-5mdk.i586 first It's not Xfree with the server, but Xfree-LIB. > chkfontpath-1.9.5-1mdk.i586 > cups-drivers-1.1-104.2mdk.i586 > ghostscript-7.05-53.2mdk.i586 > urw-fonts-2.0-9mdk.noarch > Est-ce correct ? (O/n) > > > That's realy lame :( No, it seems (check with distlint) that cups does not requires any Xfree. BTW: are you really talking about cooker, latest Xfree86 is XFree86-4.3-17mdk.i586.rpm. If yes, please update before report a bug, else you're at wrong place. -- Linux pour Mac !? Enfin le moyen de transformer une pomme en véritable ordinateur. - JL. Olivier Thauvin - http://nanardon.homelinux.org/
Re: [Cooker] why is cups-drivers dependant on XFree86 ?
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 22:06, Lea Gris wrote: > Hi, > > Why is cups-drivers dependant on XFree86 ? > > What if I want to setup a network printer server without XFree ? > > urpmi cups-drivers > Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être > installés (39 Mo): > XFree86-libs-4.3-5mdk.i586 > XFree86-xfs-4.3-5mdk.i586 > chkfontpath-1.9.5-1mdk.i586 > cups-drivers-1.1-104.2mdk.i586 > ghostscript-7.05-53.2mdk.i586 > urw-fonts-2.0-9mdk.noarch > Est-ce correct ? (O/n) > > > That's realy lame :( i guess that chkfontpath is the one that requires Xfree86-Xfs. Since XFree86 is linked with the Xfree-libs, it make sens. unless we use another font server, not linked with X, we cannot correct this. -- Mickaël Scherer
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Buchan Milne wrote: > François Pons wrote: > >>Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >>>But I want 'urpmi --auto-select' to update it ... >> >>Strange, the obsoletes should have indicated to urpmi to updated > > LinPopUp using > >>linpopup, which is what is requested... > > > And I want to start using the gtk2 version of the program (linpopup), > but don't want to until urpmi does it from my daily cron job (otherwise > I will forget to check ...). > > Everything works, except 'urpmi LinPopUp' when LinPopUp is installed, > when linpopup should be upgrade it: > > [bgmilne:~]# urpmf --obsoletes LinPopUp > linpopup:LinPopUp > [bgmilne:~]# urpmf --provides LinPopUp > LinPopUp:LinPopUp[== 1.2.0-3mdk] > linpopup:LinPopUp[== 2.0.1-2mdk] > [bgmilne:~]# urpmi LinPopUp > One of the following packages is needed: > 1- LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk.i586 > 2- linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586 > What is your choice? (1-2) 1 > > > ftp://ftp.cae.co.za/pub/mandrake/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2/LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk.i586.rpm > installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... > ## >1:LinPopUp > ## > [bgmilne:~]# urpmi LinPopUp > Everything already installed > [bgmilne:~]# urpmi linpopup > > > ftp://ftp.cae.co.za/pub/mandrake/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2/linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586.rpm > installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing... > ## >1:linpopup > ## > [bgmilne:~]# rpm -q LinPopUp > package LinPopUp is not installed > [bgmilne:~]# urpmi LinPopUp > Everything already installed > > a bit later ... > > # rpm -q LinPopUp > LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk > [bgmilne:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms]# rpm -Uvh linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586.rpm > Preparing...### > [100%] >1:linpopup ### > [100%] > [bgmilne:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms]# rpm -q LinPopUp > package LinPopUp is not installed > [bgmilne:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms]# rpm -q linpopup > linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk > > > So, looks to me like a urpmi bug, and easy to reproduce. Hope it is > fixed soon so I can forget about this simple package upgrade ;-). François, this still seems to be here: $ rpm -q urpmi perl-URPM urpmi-4.4-8mdk perl-URPM-0.91-12mdk $ rpm -q LinPopUp linpopup LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk package linpopup is not installed $ urpmf --obsoletes LinPopUp linpopup:LinPopUp $ urpmf --provides LinPopUp LinPopUp:LinPopUp[== 1.2.0-3mdk] linpopup:LinPopUp[== 2.0.1-2mdk] # urpmi LinPopUp Everything already installed Should I file a bug report now? Can you reproduce or do you want --bug output? Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/G8a4rJK6UGDSBKcRAqs0AJ9+/7Lxfy9WwakmcMpdfPCpnXsEcACfZXf1 caiw+mQVCtZvbeW+G/MWGlg= =wROe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > François, this still seems to be here: > > $ rpm -q urpmi perl-URPM > urpmi-4.4-8mdk > perl-URPM-0.91-12mdk > $ rpm -q LinPopUp linpopup > LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk > package linpopup is not installed > $ urpmf --obsoletes LinPopUp > linpopup:LinPopUp > $ urpmf --provides LinPopUp > LinPopUp:LinPopUp[== 1.2.0-3mdk] > linpopup:LinPopUp[== 2.0.1-2mdk] > # urpmi LinPopUp > Everything already installed > > Should I file a bug report now? Can you reproduce or do you want --bug > output? No, I try to fix it. Regards, François.
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 François Pons wrote: > Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>But I want 'urpmi --auto-select' to update it ... > > Strange, the obsoletes should have indicated to urpmi to updated LinPopUp using > linpopup, which is what is requested... And I want to start using the gtk2 version of the program (linpopup), but don't want to until urpmi does it from my daily cron job (otherwise I will forget to check ...). Everything works, except 'urpmi LinPopUp' when LinPopUp is installed, when linpopup should be upgrade it: [bgmilne:~]# urpmf --obsoletes LinPopUp linpopup:LinPopUp [bgmilne:~]# urpmf --provides LinPopUp LinPopUp:LinPopUp[== 1.2.0-3mdk] linpopup:LinPopUp[== 2.0.1-2mdk] [bgmilne:~]# urpmi LinPopUp One of the following packages is needed: 1- LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk.i586 2- linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 ftp://ftp.cae.co.za/pub/mandrake/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2/LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk.i586.rpm installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk.i586.rpm Preparing... ## 1:LinPopUp ## [bgmilne:~]# urpmi LinPopUp Everything already installed [bgmilne:~]# urpmi linpopup ftp://ftp.cae.co.za/pub/mandrake/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2/linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586.rpm installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586.rpm Preparing... ## 1:linpopup ## [bgmilne:~]# rpm -q LinPopUp package LinPopUp is not installed [bgmilne:~]# urpmi LinPopUp Everything already installed a bit later ... # rpm -q LinPopUp LinPopUp-1.2.0-3mdk [bgmilne:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms]# rpm -Uvh linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...### [100%] 1:linpopup ### [100%] [bgmilne:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms]# rpm -q LinPopUp package LinPopUp is not installed [bgmilne:/var/cache/urpmi/rpms]# rpm -q linpopup linpopup-2.0.1-2mdk So, looks to me like a urpmi bug, and easy to reproduce. Hope it is fixed soon so I can forget about this simple package upgrade ;-). Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/FX73rJK6UGDSBKcRAnFRAJ92sKrK3WXH3oA7HBk6zHtDr+u58QCfROPE tffCtFUIpoXEYzws0b/4QKY= =slrW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charles A Edwards wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:25:51 +0200 > Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Why does the obsoleting package not get installed over the obsoleted >>package? > > > Name change to linpopup > Both pkg provide Only LinPopUp but with name change linpopup Should also > provide LinPopUp = %version-%release It does, and that didn't fix it ... > > urpmi will find and install it if you call it as linpopup But I want 'urpmi --auto-select' to update it ... Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/FXWErJK6UGDSBKcRAk58AKDD6ybtfIMoYWv/EuK1ys5kpQFxTQCgn22L OKM7CeWnUBVvX6UnJQ0Mm2E= =bipV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But I want 'urpmi --auto-select' to update it ... Strange, the obsoletes should have indicated to urpmi to updated LinPopUp using linpopup, which is what is requested... François.
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:25:51 +0200 Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why does the obsoleting package not get installed over the obsoleted > package? Name change to linpopup Both pkg provide Only LinPopUp but with name change linpopup Should also provide LinPopUp = %version-%release urpmi will find and install it if you call it as linpopup Charles -- "I didn't know it was impossible when I did it." - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21.3mdk http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Why obsoletes don't work with urpmi?
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 16:25:51 +0200 Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why does the obsoleting package not get installed over the obsoleted > package? Name change to linpopup Both pkg provide Only LinPopUp but with name change linpopup Should also provide LinPopUp = %version-%release urpmi will find and install it if you call it as linpopup Charles -- "I didn't know it was impossible when I did it." - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21.3mdk http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Why am I receiving large numbers of emain to thi address? please remedy
Quoting Geoff Sheldrake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > __ > Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html > you are not the only one :((
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant, gibberish,out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Levi Ramsey wrote: > On Wed Jun 04 14:14 -0400, Jason Straight wrote: >>Perhaps during install asking if the system will be used as a server it should >>not have ifplugd? > > > I've proposed it before, but here goes again: > > Why not have multiple editions of MandrakeLinux based on use profile, > all of which are subsets of Cooker (ie different priority files for the > image-making scripts)? > Because it's not easy to get such profiles which will be any better than the current defaults. A server running a DSL connection will *want* ifplugd, while on it's internal interface will most likely not want ifplugd. IMHO, it is a bug to run ifplugd on a statically cionfigured interface, and since most interfaces you don't want to run ifplugd on are static, we solve the problem without extra complication. However, what would be nice would be a standardised method for making such profiles, which are used at runtime. I am quite sure most of this can be done via the auto-install stuff, but if additional configuration screens could be loaded that way too (maybe they can?), then it would allow better installation support. But then again, why restrict such features to installation, when they could be available afterwards also? Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+321arJK6UGDSBKcRAnYDAJ4iAH0ShJM9w/RWoWdDSkF1XjBgVQCdFuAT Jd6iT8AJi3j0T3sR/OcSS5Q= =mH+8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant, gibberish, out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
On Wed Jun 04 14:14 -0400, Jason Straight wrote: > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 02:06 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Doesn't ifplugd also solve the problem some saw where, if they happened > > to be disconnected from the network for some reason, it would sit there > > on boot trying to get an IP address for five minutes? ISTR that's one of > > its functions, anyway. > > If that's true I digress. I must say I hate waiting for dhcp to timeout to get > a useable system when I've used it in the past. ifplugd is ok by me if that > alone is true :) > > Perhaps during install asking if the system will be used as a server it should > not have ifplugd? I've proposed it before, but here goes again: Why not have multiple editions of MandrakeLinux based on use profile, all of which are subsets of Cooker (ie different priority files for the image-making scripts)? -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take due notice and govern yourself accordingly. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: Corrosion of Conformity - Wiseblood - Bottom Feeder Linux 2.4.21-0.15mdk 11:20:00 up 4 days, 44 min, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.06
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant,gibberish, out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 12:02 pm, Jason Straight wrote: > I wish it would just > leave them alone - if I configure something my way I don't expect some > program to go and take the liberty of changing it for what it thinks I > want. I agree with this part 1% ! ! After trying Red Hat 8 and SuSE 8.2 I really have a bad taste in my mouth for the system not allowing or changing configurations by the root user. PLEASE Mandrake DON'T do it the same way, leave the configuration the way I set it. -- Ken Thompson WA7SYR Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant,gibberish, out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 04 June 2003 11:02, Jason Straight wrote: > I'm not saying drop it - but why (by default) configure mdk install for > laptops? If that's the case why not have APM configured to suspend after 10 > mins of inactivity? Or configure the system to only flush buffers to HD > every 2 hrs to save battery? > > I use a laptop - I don't use ifp Look I run small networks here also and I can tell you it's nice if for only one reason on servers or well network sharing servers especially. The dsl here is usually set up so a whole office can share one connection. Before when the dsl or cable service went batty ( which happened on cable more than I would even like to talk about) the connection sharing server would literally bang away until it restored serveice. When this occurred it would degrade every system on the network. I mean every system would almost come to a screeching halt. This situation was very bad. With the new setup is it very nice and manageable if the service goes down. I like this very much and helps to a very great degree over the way it was setup on 8.2 and down. - -- New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler. -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+3kTGnT1TkA6FgPgRAmElAJ0Stb0p6QhC1pEITn5kleig7zHzuwCfTV2G q08mT8BKH7y3G/Z+dA7nctU= =qTOb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant, gibberish,out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Straight wrote: > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 02:06 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Perhaps during install asking if the system will be used as a server it should > not have ifplugd? Well, it is there in the network config dialog if you run it in expert mode, you may have to run it again from the summary screen to get to it though (my drakx screenshots for 9.1 aren't handy now). Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+3j2srJK6UGDSBKcRAsSbAKClbTKRiJTVFNqKO6uLMAFE+W7GYwCgv2Ck zzkaWb21EtfD1+NFBjBvUQ0= =WkaT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant,gibberish,out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Straight wrote: > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 01:42 pm, Buchan Milne wrote: >>>2. Who ever switches network cables and needs to have it reconfigured for >>>them? >> >>Users (ie not admins). >> >> >>>I mean how often does someone really travel to another location with >>>another network and not reboot and restart? >> >>Every time they us a cross-over cable to transfer something. > > That happens more often than using mdk on desktops? > Since it is done with many of the desktops (most users only have one network point near them, if they want to transfer files to a laptop, they use the cross-over cable). So, using a crossover cable between two machines is much more common than using mdk on desktops, and not having it working on mdk desktops could kill our plans ... > >>Do you really think I want to tell our director over an international >>cellphone call how to restart the network and/or configure routes to >>transfer files to a windows machine which has now auto-configured itself? > > > ifplugd is only going to restart ethX with the config in the ifup script, so > it's going to come back up the same way anyway - so if it's DHCP it's not > that hard to have him run dhclient to renew. > And it's also not difficult to compile a kernel, if you know how ... >>It's not dangerous, it only highilghted the dangers you had in your >>network (ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 would have killed your network in the >>same way ...). > > > Yeah, but I would have done that manually and would expect it You would still be vulnerable ... > - I didn't > expect 3 machines to die when I restarted the switch and not come back up > with the routes and arp config the way I left them. Automation like that is > anal. I have problems with XP disabling the wireless clients sometimes > because of the hotplug detect network connection it has. I wish it would just > leave them alone - if I configure something my way I don't expect some > program to go and take the liberty of changing it for what it thinks I want. Well, AFAIK, you can't even disable this on Windows, and you can easily on Mandrake. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+3jq7rJK6UGDSBKcRAivuAJ9Bk1RvTK0WfEP0/koylc1H+kwbxwCdF9dE 3ANNrxE3RYS9ru4TCzFNv4M= =Yr3V -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant, gibberish, out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 02:06 pm, Adam Williamson wrote: > Doesn't ifplugd also solve the problem some saw where, if they happened > to be disconnected from the network for some reason, it would sit there > on boot trying to get an IP address for five minutes? ISTR that's one of > its functions, anyway. If that's true I digress. I must say I hate waiting for dhcp to timeout to get a useable system when I've used it in the past. ifplugd is ok by me if that alone is true :) Perhaps during install asking if the system will be used as a server it should not have ifplugd? -- Jason Straight [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 1796276 pgp: http://www.JeetKuneDoMaster.net/~jason/pubkey.asc
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant, gibberish, out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 18:42, Buchan Milne wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jason Straight wrote: > > Ok, now that I've taken time to collect myself and calm the fsck down. > > > > Why is ifplugd default? > > > > If it's for laptop users who switch network locations: > > > > 1. Why build the distro for laptops when more use it on desktops? > > Let's drop SCSI support while we're at it? What about firewire (I mean, > how many desktops ship with firewire ports compared to laptops) and > support for LCD panels? Doesn't ifplugd also solve the problem some saw where, if they happened to be disconnected from the network for some reason, it would sit there on boot trying to get an IP address for five minutes? ISTR that's one of its functions, anyway. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant,gibberish, out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
On Wednesday 04 June 2003 01:42 pm, Buchan Milne wrote: > Jason Straight wrote: > > Ok, now that I've taken time to collect myself and calm the fsck down. > > > > Why is ifplugd default? > > > > If it's for laptop users who switch network locations: > > > > 1. Why build the distro for laptops when more use it on desktops? > > Let's drop SCSI support while we're at it? What about firewire (I mean, > how many desktops ship with firewire ports compared to laptops) and > support for LCD panels? I'm not saying drop it - but why (by default) configure mdk install for laptops? If that's the case why not have APM configured to suspend after 10 mins of inactivity? Or configure the system to only flush buffers to HD every 2 hrs to save battery? I use a laptop - I don't use ifplugd. > > 2. Who ever switches network cables and needs to have it reconfigured for > > them? > > Users (ie not admins). > > > I mean how often does someone really travel to another location with > > another network and not reboot and restart? > > Every time they us a cross-over cable to transfer something. That happens more often than using mdk on desktops? > Do you really think I want to tell our director over an international > cellphone call how to restart the network and/or configure routes to > transfer files to a windows machine which has now auto-configured itself? ifplugd is only going to restart ethX with the config in the ifup script, so it's going to come back up the same way anyway - so if it's DHCP it's not that hard to have him run dhclient to renew. > > 3. Most people who roam around and hotplug network would be on > > wireless, which > > > takes care of that in it's own configuration (pcmcia), not ifplugd. > > For PCMCIA users, it is not too much of a problem, if you're prepared to > tell them to pop the card every time they plug into a different network > (ie cross-over cable), but for on-board ethernet cards that's not possible. > > > I just don't understand who would want ifplugd? It's a dangerous thing > > that > > > caused problems on machines that I would never have put a utility like > > that > > > on, but I didn't know and didn't have any warning. > > It's not dangerous, it only highilghted the dangers you had in your > network (ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 would have killed your network in the > same way ...). Yeah, but I would have done that manually and would expect it - I didn't expect 3 machines to die when I restarted the switch and not come back up with the routes and arp config the way I left them. Automation like that is anal. I have problems with XP disabling the wireless clients sometimes because of the hotplug detect network connection it has. I wish it would just leave them alone - if I configure something my way I don't expect some program to go and take the liberty of changing it for what it thinks I want. > Buchan -- Jason Straight [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 1796276 pgp: http://www.JeetKuneDoMaster.net/~jason/pubkey.asc
Re: [Cooker] why have ifplugd default? (Was super-rant,gibberish,out-of-line, spontanious - sorry ;)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Straight wrote: > Ok, now that I've taken time to collect myself and calm the fsck down. > > Why is ifplugd default? > > If it's for laptop users who switch network locations: > > 1. Why build the distro for laptops when more use it on desktops? Let's drop SCSI support while we're at it? What about firewire (I mean, how many desktops ship with firewire ports compared to laptops) and support for LCD panels? > 2. Who ever switches network cables and needs to have it reconfigured for > them? Users (ie not admins). > I mean how often does someone really travel to another location with > another network and not reboot and restart? Every time they us a cross-over cable to transfer something. Do you really think I want to tell our director over an international cellphone call how to restart the network and/or configure routes to transfer files to a windows machine which has now auto-configured itself? > 3. Most people who roam around and hotplug network would be on wireless, which > takes care of that in it's own configuration (pcmcia), not ifplugd. > For PCMCIA users, it is not too much of a problem, if you're prepared to tell them to pop the card every time they plug into a different network (ie cross-over cable), but for on-board ethernet cards that's not possible. > I just don't understand who would want ifplugd? It's a dangerous thing that > caused problems on machines that I would never have put a utility like that > on, but I didn't know and didn't have any warning. It's not dangerous, it only highilghted the dangers you had in your network (ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 would have killed your network in the same way ...). Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+3i9orJK6UGDSBKcRAqhuAJ9/A9J2j+yW9MsvuyEocRZT6wYGwQCeKuVp OAB2/qvPy6PY/R4FawDgYuw= =qQ7h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. **
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
Mandrake Simplified Chinese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > UTC-8 is presented by Shanghai, it is very strange. Beijing is the > capital of China. So, there is no reason that Beijing is not in the list. > > I want to file a bug, but I don't know which packages are related. Who > can help me? Timezones are defined in the glibc, so you might want to file a bug in the glibc, but this is a problem with the official glibc, not mandrake's. I don't think each timezone need be the capital city, though. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > UTC-8 is presented by Shanghai, it is very strange. Beijing is > > > the capital of China. So, there is no reason that Beijing is not > > > in the list. > > > > > > I want to file a bug, but I don't know which packages are > > > related. Who can help me? > > > > Ottawa is the capital of Canada, and Toronto is the capital of > > Ontario, but our timezone is represented by Montreal in Linux. Go > > figure. It's not even the capital of Quebec, which is - > > incidentally - Quebec. > > Here, the timezone is determined in Durban (which is almost on -30 > degrees), capital is Pretoria (windows uses > Pretoria/Harare/Jerusalem IIRC), but all unix tools (including > Evo/Solaris apparently) use Johannesburg. pablo offered to add new aliases in timezone db: --- glibc-2.3.2/timezone/backward_old 2003-05-28 10:33:33.0 +0200 +++ glibc-2.3.2/timezone/backward 2003-05-28 10:53:06.0 +0200 @@ -93,3 +93,18 @@ Link Etc/Universal Universal Link Europe/Moscow W-SU Link Etc/Zulu Zulu + +# links requested by users (to access timezones by the name of main cities) +# [EMAIL PROTECTED] +# Canada/Saskatchewan +Link America/Regina America/Saskatoon +# Canada/Mountain (Alberta) +Link America/Edmonton America/Calgary +# Canada/Atlantic (New Brunswick) +Link America/Halifax America/Fredericton +# America/Eastern (Ontario) +Link America/Montreal America/Ontario +# PRC +Link Asia/Shanghai Asia/Beijing +# South Africa +Link Africa/Johannesburg Africa/Pretoria
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
Le Mardi 27 Mai 2003 21:03, andre a écrit : > On Tuesday 27 May 2003 18:58, Buchan Milne wrote: > > I guess GMT is covered by London? > > GMT doesn't use summertime IIRC. London does GMT is the former date. Now, the time is UTC (Universal Time Coordinated) A very good documentation is found in http://www.ntp.org/ -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 andre wrote: > On Tuesday 27 May 2003 18:58, Buchan Milne wrote: > >>I guess GMT is covered by London? > > > GMT doesn't use summertime IIRC. London does > I should have added a ;-). Buchan (girlfriend currently in UK, with daylight-saving so there's only 1 hour difference instead of the 2 implied by our timezone here) - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+07/rrJK6UGDSBKcRAu0vAJ4gbVos5Db23M0Za7K7pHJrdx8eywCgv7en LyBYmscfaZzYzIM5aRFem1A= =gNmE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer. **
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 18:58, Buchan Milne wrote: > I guess GMT is covered by London? GMT doesn't use summertime IIRC. London does
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Austin wrote: > > On 2003.05.27 12:22, Mandrake Simplified Chinese wrote: > >> UTC-8 is presented by Shanghai, it is very strange. Beijing is the >> capital of China. So, there is no reason that Beijing is not in the list. >> >> I want to file a bug, but I don't know which packages are related. Who >> can help me? > Ottawa is the capital of Canada, and Toronto is the capital of Ontario, > but our timezone is represented by Montreal in Linux. Go figure. It's > not even the capital of Quebec, which is - incidentally - Quebec. Here, the timezone is determined in Durban (which is almost on -30 degrees), capital is Pretoria (windows uses Pretoria/Harare/Jerusalem IIRC), but all unix tools (including Evo/Solaris apparently) use Johannesburg. Weird. I guess GMT is covered by London? Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+05lLrJK6UGDSBKcRAj8JAKC+Ze5sdohh7zV+0qz5rW8wnirQogCeM5KP Oyse6Cb08PnI1p7pCOdL9Ik= =XxSJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our e-mail disclaimer. **
Re: [Cooker] Why there isn't Beijing in timezone?
On 2003.05.27 12:22, Mandrake Simplified Chinese wrote: UTC-8 is presented by Shanghai, it is very strange. Beijing is the capital of China. So, there is no reason that Beijing is not in the list. I want to file a bug, but I don't know which packages are related. Who can help me? Ottawa is the capital of Canada, and Toronto is the capital of Ontario, but our timezone is represented by Montreal in Linux. Go figure. It's not even the capital of Quebec, which is - incidentally - Quebec. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] Why do we have pspell?
måndagen den 24 mars 2003 11.24 skrev Oden Eriksson: > måndagen den 24 mars 2003 10.57 skrev Marcel Pol: > > On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:14:53 +0100 > > > > Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why do we still have the pspell package(s) in the distro? It > > > > conflicts with aspell, and I've heard from others that aspell > > > > provides a pspell library. Also, nothing in the distro appears to > > > > require the pspell packages. > > > > > > php-spell > > > > Pspell has been merged with aspell, so the original pspell packages > > should probably be dropped. The package libaspell15-devel provides a > > header for pspell, and libaspell15 provides pspell libraries. > > Php-pspell compiled against it, I have not tested if it also works. If it > > doesn't, it's probably a bug in the pspell libs in current aspell. > > Cool, will investigate. > > Thanks. Argh!!! My memory is very bad..., I just remembered after a quick look in the php sources that the aspell extension was about to be obsolete in favour to pspell. And now the aspell extension has even vanished from php. What should I eat to improve my memory??? Ginseng, Viagra, or what? -- Regards // Oden Eriksson, Deserve-IT.com
Re: [Cooker] Why do we have pspell?
måndagen den 24 mars 2003 10.57 skrev Marcel Pol: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:14:53 +0100 > > Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why do we still have the pspell package(s) in the distro? It conflicts > > > with aspell, and I've heard from others that aspell provides a pspell > > > library. Also, nothing in the distro appears to require the pspell > > > packages. > > > > php-spell > > Pspell has been merged with aspell, so the original pspell packages should > probably be dropped. The package libaspell15-devel provides a header for > pspell, and libaspell15 provides pspell libraries. > Php-pspell compiled against it, I have not tested if it also works. If it > doesn't, it's probably a bug in the pspell libs in current aspell. Cool, will investigate. Thanks. -- Regards // Oden Eriksson, Deserve-IT.com
Re: [Cooker] Why do we have pspell?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:14:53 +0100 Oden Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why do we still have the pspell package(s) in the distro? It conflicts > > with aspell, and I've heard from others that aspell provides a pspell > > library. Also, nothing in the distro appears to require the pspell > > packages. > > php-spell Pspell has been merged with aspell, so the original pspell packages should probably be dropped. The package libaspell15-devel provides a header for pspell, and libaspell15 provides pspell libraries. Php-pspell compiled against it, I have not tested if it also works. If it doesn't, it's probably a bug in the pspell libs in current aspell. -- Marcel Pol
Re: [Cooker] Why do we have pspell?
måndagen den 24 mars 2003 01.43 skrev David Walser: > Why do we still have the pspell package(s) in the distro? It conflicts > with aspell, and I've heard from others that aspell provides a pspell > library. Also, nothing in the distro appears to require the pspell > packages. php-spell -- Regards // Oden Eriksson, Deserve-IT.com
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
John Allen wrote: It is dhclient. You will need to do a man dhclient.conf and create a suitable dhclient.conf file. Again I will say that this is ridiculous, can we not just go back to dhcpcd as the default DHCP client. I'd like to second this. I run linux at work and home and have a laptop I use at both locations, with NFS mounts from the servers at both locations. Consequently, I have been using DHCP to provide the laptop (and other machines) with the nisdomain information (as NFS really needs NIS, until I get round to figuring out LDAP). This stopped working when I stuck 9.1 RC1 on one of the home machines. I believe this is because of the switch to dhclient. Could be wrong, but that was how it looked to me. Or does dhclient support receiving the nisdomain? And while I'm on the subject of using DHCP to pass the nisdomain, 9.0 seemed to be broken, if you used MCC to change any network settings. It seemed to add a DOMAINNAME=localhost line to the sysconfig scripts (network and ifcfg-eth*) if they did not already have a DOMAINNAME line. This then seemed to prevent the machine from receiving its nisdomain by DHCP, presumably because it assumed it already knew the domain. Deleting the offending lines gets it working again, but it seemed to me that they shouldn't be added in the first place, unless specifically instructed. I haven't got 9.1 working well enough to check if this is still happening, but thought I would mention it in case it needs fixing before final release (which is being rushed through much too quickly again). Cheers, Bruno Prior
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
On Monday 03 March 2003 03:19 am, John Allen wrote: > > Is it tmdns/zeroconf or dhclient? > > It is dhclient. You will need to do a man dhclient.conf > and create a suitable dhclient.conf file. > Why should a distro that is supposed to be easy for newbies require one to man dhclient.conf and manually set up a dhclient.conf file? Isn't drakconnect supposed to do this? > Again I will say that this is ridiculous, can we not just go back to dhcpcd > as the default DHCP client. > I don't think anyone has ever explained why, and it would be nice to hear how the new features we are getting outweigh the loss of ease of use and funtionality. -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
On Monday 03 March 2003 03:45, Greg Meyer wrote: > I have been going over this and over this on my machine and no matter what > I change, I cannot set a hostname on a machine when dhcp is being used. It > will only use the name supplied by dhcp server, which is not what I want. > > Is it tmdns/zeroconf or dhclient? > It is dhclient. You will need to do a man dhclient.conf and create a suitable dhclient.conf file. Again I will say that this is ridiculous, can we not just go back to dhcpcd as the default DHCP client. Trying last Friday's cooker over the weekend it doe not ask for a hostname, domain name, or nis domain name anymore. > Is it desired behavior to not allow this? > > Has anybody been able to do this? > > Does anybody know what is going on here? > > Updated cooker install through 20030203. -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
On Sunday 02 March 2003 11:19 pm, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > > If all those are yes, then you'll need to check the logs and see what > errors if any are coming back to you. > > Of course the problem could be the server. Have you been able to set > the hostname before? > That is an affirmative on 9.0, but not on 9.1. It has been frustrating me to no end. It has to be something about the switch to dhclient from dhcpd and the tmdns/zeroconf stuff. drakconnect is also not setting those parameters even though I told it to. I just confirmed again that this does not work. -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 21:58, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Sunday 02 March 2003 10:53 pm, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 21:45, Greg Meyer wrote: > > > I have been going over this and over this on my machine and no matter > > > what I change, I cannot set a hostname on a machine when dhcp is being > > > used. It will only use the name supplied by dhcp server, which is not > > > what I want. > > > > Try setting both DHCP_HOSTNAME and HOSTNAME in /etc/sysconfig/network > > > > I am pretty sure I did that, but I'll try again. I just went through /sbin/ifup and don't see anything that looks wrong. Do you have BOOTPROTO=dhcp in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0? Do you have dhcpcd installed? If all those are yes, then you'll need to check the logs and see what errors if any are coming back to you. Of course the problem could be the server. Have you been able to set the hostname before? Lonnie
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
On Sunday 02 March 2003 10:53 pm, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 21:45, Greg Meyer wrote: > > I have been going over this and over this on my machine and no matter > > what I change, I cannot set a hostname on a machine when dhcp is being > > used. It will only use the name supplied by dhcp server, which is not > > what I want. > > Try setting both DHCP_HOSTNAME and HOSTNAME in /etc/sysconfig/network > I am pretty sure I did that, but I'll try again. -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I set a hostname on a dhcp network
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 21:45, Greg Meyer wrote: > I have been going over this and over this on my machine and no matter what I > change, I cannot set a hostname on a machine when dhcp is being used. It > will only use the name supplied by dhcp server, which is not what I want. Try setting both DHCP_HOSTNAME and HOSTNAME in /etc/sysconfig/network TTFN, Lonnie
cause and effect (was: Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????)
On Mon 2003-02-03 at 14:49:01 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > Ok, the way to make react cooker users was not the best one but it > has worked and that was what I wanted to do. Ah, well, simply assuming causality is a bit far-fetched here. You could also say that Mandrake changed it despite your reaction, i.e. they stand over the the, well, impertinent tone. I am very impressed how they stood above that. I am not sure that I could. Regards, Benjamin. msg89522/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
En réponse à Adam Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:49, Franck Quélain wrote: > > En réponse à Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Shift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND > MOREOVER > > > MONEY !! > > > > > > What a very smart way to lead kde team to answer you. > > > > > > -- > > > Warly > > > > Hi Warly, > > > > Ok, the way to make react cooker users was not the best one but it has > worked > > and that was what I wanted to do. A simple message wouldn't have a > such effect > > and nobody will answer it. > > Actually, several people had complained about the changes to KDM > before > your message. There was no need for the manner in which you wrote it. > -- > adamw Sorry again but I don't see these messages :( Pardon Lo siento ... (Sorry but I don't know other languages)
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:49, Franck Quélain wrote: > En réponse à Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Shift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER > > MONEY !! > > > > What a very smart way to lead kde team to answer you. > > > > -- > > Warly > > Hi Warly, > > Ok, the way to make react cooker users was not the best one but it has worked > and that was what I wanted to do. A simple message wouldn't have a such effect > and nobody will answer it. Actually, several people had complained about the changes to KDM before your message. There was no need for the manner in which you wrote it. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
En réponse à Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Shift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER > MONEY !! > > What a very smart way to lead kde team to answer you. > > -- > Warly Hi Warly, Ok, the way to make react cooker users was not the best one but it has worked and that was what I wanted to do. A simple message wouldn't have a such effect and nobody will answer it. So excuse me for the way I do this but I have some reasons : - I love Mandrake because you make a very good job, - I love MandrakeSoft because it is a French company (Vive la France :) and you make GPL softs and you respect free software philosophy, But: - I don't want Mandrake to make the same mistake than RedHat did few weeks ago, - I want that you explain why you change kdm and don't fork to make a drakdm, - I am a user of kdm and I don't want it to dissapear, - I want you the next time to inform us of the change and, why not, to ask us to give our opinion about it (via MandrakeClub or MandrakeForum), - I don't want you to lose users because of such a mistake. See my reaction as the reaction of a user who don't want to see his favorite company making something that will not help it but deserve it. Long life to Linux Mandrake and to MandrakeSoft and excuse me again if I hurd some of you. Shift PS : Drakdm will be the best DM but drakdm is not kdm so split it in two packages. Thanks a lot
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Lundi 3 Février 2003 13:12, Warly a écrit : > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER > > MONEY !! > > What a very smart way to lead kde team to answer you. Maybe KDE team could answer to other people then ? For my part, i don't see any advantage over original one. Should i suggest investing time and energy in KDE package granularity or MDK policy compliance rather than reinventing the wheel once again? And finally, i'm rather uneasy with this kind of brutal change without any discussion. Does "community" only means "unpayed beta-testers" ? -- Software bugs are impossible to detect by anybody except the end user. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°10
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGINMANAGER ??????
Shift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi all, > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has been > replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > Can you explain me why Mandrake has patch the original kdm to changed it in > this fucking DM that I hate ? > Do you want to be worst than RedHat who patch KDE ? Everybody has said that > RedHat had a bad attitude and they had lost lot's of users. You are making > the same but your changes are MUCH MORE VISIBLE and the Linux web sites will > not take much time to make a bad review of the NEW FUCKINg feature > > I just want to upgrade my MandrakeClub level to help you but if you continue > in this direction I won't and I will just let MandrakeSoft die. > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER MONEY !! What a very smart way to lead kde team to answer you. -- Warly
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:38, Jason Straight a écrit : > Hehe, thanks for having the balls to say it the way I wanted to. I have no > problem with mandrake having their own login manager, I don't even care if > it's default if that's the way they want to go, but I have to admit that > this type of move with actually replacing the KDE standard and not having > it available got me started on my debian download tonight after 4 years of > running nothing but mandrake. I think they should just make a separate > login manager in it's own package like gdm, call it mdm, and setup > /etc/sysconfig/desktop with =mdm humm, I totally support this too. I dont really understand this change without talking about it to the community before. Second, I agree we need to be able to choose the regular kde kdm login manager if we want. Pascal Cavy
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER??????
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Maks Orlovich wrote: > > > kde, or when in gnome with kdm also. And so that when runing kdm I can > > choose "New login" or whatever better fits for "fast user switching". > > BTW, the code for that is mostly in there (it was actually working for a > while during KDE3.1 development) -- including a KMenu "New Session" entry; > the same for the locked screen password dialog) but it was disabled since a > good UI that doesn't confuse users didn't make i18n freeze, IIRC. You might > be able to activate the feature by listing additional servers in Xservers > file, but I am not certain. Well, *that* is the kind of thing I think Mandrarakesoft should rather work on, rather than stuffing KDM up even more. There would be enough time to get a UI tested and translated for 9.1, but only if no more time is spent on a forked kdm. Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
> kde, or when in gnome with kdm also. And so that when runing kdm I can > choose "New login" or whatever better fits for "fast user switching". BTW, the code for that is mostly in there (it was actually working for a while during KDE3.1 development) -- including a KMenu "New Session" entry; the same for the locked screen password dialog) but it was disabled since a good UI that doesn't confuse users didn't make i18n freeze, IIRC. You might be able to activate the feature by listing additional servers in Xservers file, but I am not certain.
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 07:37, Shift wrote: > But if Mandrake tools used QT it will be more better because regarding the > time gtk1 apps take to be migrated to gtk2 we will have gtk1 and gtk2 install > in our box for years !! But that's an other troll^Wsubject GTK1.2 is only 1.8 meg, and it's probably still the most common GUI for linux-specific apps. I think keeping it around is hardly a huge burden. Austin -- Austin Acton Hon.B.Sc. Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeClub Volunteer (www.mandrakeclub.com) homepage: www.groundstate.ca
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 13:00, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 11:41, Shift wrote: > > Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:57, Lonnie Borntreger a écrit : > > > So use GDM. You can use GDM to login to KDE - unless they changed that > > > also. > > > > GDM use gtk and if it is not installed (Because I can use only QT apps if > > I want) and I don't want to install it just for that :) > > Well given all the Mandrake tools use GTK, I'd be surprised if there > were many Mandrake PCs without it :) I am a master of vim/sed/grep and I configure my box only by hand.. Who says I am not credible ? :)) Of course my excuse was not very good ;) But if Mandrake tools used QT it will be more better because regarding the time gtk1 apps take to be migrated to gtk2 we will have gtk1 and gtk2 install in our box for years !! But that's an other troll^Wsubject Shift
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 11:41, Shift wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:57, Lonnie Borntreger a écrit : > > So use GDM. You can use GDM to login to KDE - unless they changed that > > also. > > GDM use gtk and if it is not installed (Because I can use only QT apps if I > want) and I don't want to install it just for that :) Well given all the Mandrake tools use GTK, I'd be surprised if there were many Mandrake PCs without it :) -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:57, Lonnie Borntreger a écrit : > So use GDM. You can use GDM to login to KDE - unless they changed that > also. GDM use gtk and if it is not installed (Because I can use only QT apps if I want) and I don't want to install it just for that :)
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 01:57, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > So use GDM. You can use GDM to login to KDE - unless they changed that > also. There's a Mandrake theme for GDM...has been since 9.0, I think. It's quite nice. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Saturday 01 February 2003 10:12, Buchan Milne wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Shift wrote: > > Moreover I noticed that the login input field has been removed. The user > > has only the right to choose a user in a list. > > > > But HOW this user will do if the linux box has thousnds of users > > It is an horrible waste of time :( > > No, I had setup kdm previously to no show users, so my mdkkdm still had a > user/password login field. > > And I suspect the behaviour can still be controlled with the KDE control > center module, though I haven't tried. > > I would like to have the usual kdm back though. > > Do we need to take this up on MandrakeClub to be heard? > > IMHO, work on kdm should be going towards making gdm and kdm compatible, > so that when in kde with gdm, I can choose shutdown/logout/reboot from > kde, or when in gnome with kdm also. And so that when runing kdm I can > choose "New login" or whatever better fits for "fast user switching". > > Buchan I completely agree to the contents of the above posts. The choice of language OTOH is an entirely different matter... :-\ Still, continued unpredictable removals and changes of my kde environment will ultimately cause me to ditch Mandrake Linux and start using something like Debian That would be a shame because Mandrake seems to be really heading in the right direction. Are our voices heard at all here? Can somebody give us Mandrake's policy on the direction of Mandrake / kde integration? Kan we expect more and more removals or changes of kde base packages in the future? Thx John
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER??????
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Shift wrote: > Moreover I noticed that the login input field has been removed. The user has > only the right to choose a user in a list. > > But HOW this user will do if the linux box has thousnds of users > It is an horrible waste of time :( No, I had setup kdm previously to no show users, so my mdkkdm still had a user/password login field. And I suspect the behaviour can still be controlled with the KDE control center module, though I haven't tried. I would like to have the usual kdm back though. Do we need to take this up on MandrakeClub to be heard? IMHO, work on kdm should be going towards making gdm and kdm compatible, so that when in kde with gdm, I can choose shutdown/logout/reboot from kde, or when in gnome with kdm also. And so that when runing kdm I can choose "New login" or whatever better fits for "fast user switching". Buchan -- |Registered Linux User #182071-| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:13, Shift a écrit : > Hi all, > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has been > replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > Can you explain me why Mandrake has patch the original kdm to changed it in > this fucking DM that I hate ? > Do you want to be worst than RedHat who patch KDE ? Everybody has said that > RedHat had a bad attitude and they had lost lot's of users. You are making > the same but your changes are MUCH MORE VISIBLE and the Linux web sites > will not take much time to make a bad review of the NEW FUCKINg feature > > I just want to upgrade my MandrakeClub level to help you but if you > continue in this direction I won't and I will just let MandrakeSoft die. > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER MONEY > !! > > Shift > > PS : Or create your own DM but don't touch to kdm. Kdm is part of KDE !! Moreover I noticed that the login input field has been removed. The user has only the right to choose a user in a list. But HOW this user will do if the linux box has thousnds of users It is an horrible waste of time :(
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 6:29 pm, orville wrote: > I digress. After reading laurent's post I decided to log off and see > what all the hubbub is about. THAT is definitely not KDE's new login Another two big problems with this monster: 1) No more familiar keyboard only typing: loginpassword to log in. And no, I don't want to type: password -- and neither does anyone else. 2) How do I log in as root? As a user that's not listed? I only list two users (of *many*) on the login screen. 3) Along with #2, the answer might be "list all users" -- this is a well known BAD security practice--especially if you are using NIS (and there are thousands--for example, at work). We sure don't want the "thanks for telling me the login name of everyone on your entire network just by letting me look at a login screen" syndrome. Anyway, this is perhaps a work in progress, and perhaps it will get better, but it definately should not *replace* kdm. -- Wesley J. Landaker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: C99E DF40 54F6 B625 FD48 B509 A3DE 8D79 541F F830
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGINMANAGER ??????
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 19:44, Jason Straight wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 31 January 2003 08:37 pm, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > > KDM "branding" can be accomplished with a simple kdmrc change to use a > > Mandrake specific background image along with the Mandrake "star" logo. > > No change needs to be made to KDM itself. > > > > However, a login screen will not make me change distros, but it may > > cause me to change login managers - but that is why I like Linux, if I > > don't like some design decision, I can always make a change myself. > > Except you lose functinality by using another dm, when you logout of > kde you can't chose to shutdown or reboot immediately, which isn't > really a big deal, but a nice one. Agreed. It would not be "best", but at least there are ways to avoid the "worst". ;-) TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Saturday 01 February 2003 01:31, Laurent Culioli wrote: > Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 02:29, orville a écrit : > > I digress. After reading laurent's post I decided to log off and see what > > all the hubbub is about. THAT is definitely not KDE's new login manager. > > SHIT that thing is ugly. Mandrake please, change it back. > > http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/kdebase/ > > see the 4 big patch kdebase-3.1-new-kdm* umm... is there a way to take a screenshot? I'd like to see what caused Shift's ...errr... agressive post. Damian -- -- I don't want Windows to be only for the 31173. Yes, we've come a long way from all those security holes, virii, and cryptic commands like "Edit textfile.txt" (what in the hell is that supposed to mean?)
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGINMANAGER ??????
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 19:54, Shift wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:37, Lonnie Borntreger a écrit : > > KDM "branding" can be accomplished with a simple kdmrc change to use a > > Mandrake specific background image along with the Mandrake "star" logo. > > No change needs to be made to KDM itself. > > Restart your X server you will see that it is not just a start and a > background but a entirally new DM. > I am not against that but PLEASE, DON'T MODIFY KDM and MAKE A SEPARATE PACKAGE > (drakdm ?) I wasn't arguing that the new KDM was good, I was saying they could have gotten "branding" without patching KDM - as an argument against the other poster that said this was just about "branding". But, I won't see the new login manager, since I saw other posts about it, and stayed on kdebase-3.1-5mdk (the new kdm is in 6mdk). > Modifying a big part of another project is not a patch but a FORK. > It is very bad and it is against free software philosophy (IMHO) Agreed. > > However, a login screen will not make me change distros, but it may > > cause me to change login managers - but that is why I like Linux, if I > > don't like some design decision, I can always make a change myself. > > I want too change DM too but they had REPLACE kdm with this HORRIBLE DM with > Mandrake stars everywhere :(( So use GDM. You can use GDM to login to KDE - unless they changed that also. I do agree that it should at least be a new binary in kdebase instead of a change to the existing KDM - or an entirely new package. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 31 January 2003 08:13 pm, Shift wrote: > Hi all, > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has been > replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > Can you explain me why Mandrake has patch the original kdm to changed it in > this fucking DM that I hate ? > Do you want to be worst than RedHat who patch KDE ? Everybody has said that > RedHat had a bad attitude and they had lost lot's of users. You are making > the same but your changes are MUCH MORE VISIBLE and the Linux web sites > will not take much time to make a bad review of the NEW FUCKINg feature > > I just want to upgrade my MandrakeClub level to help you but if you > continue in this direction I won't and I will just let MandrakeSoft die. > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER MONEY > !! > > Shift > > PS : Or create your own DM but don't touch to kdm. Kdm is part of KDE !! Hehe, thanks for having the balls to say it the way I wanted to. I have no problem with mandrake having their own login manager, I don't even care if it's default if that's the way they want to go, but I have to admit that this type of move with actually replacing the KDE standard and not having it available got me started on my debian download tonight after 4 years of running nothing but mandrake. I think they should just make a separate login manager in it's own package like gdm, call it mdm, and setup /etc/sysconfig/desktop with =mdm - -- Jason Straight [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 1796276 pgp: http://www.JeetKuneDoMaster.net/~jason/pubkey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBPjslLhFHZPcobeHxAQIcWAQAtt7cQKf6t7iqxQBaEZYFS1WWqa45TyDr XmrvQYHHjSknyfvTSV3EKCVScDRPtIL5mtFmOWhIh6LHI97oSsUY+1Yly/qTQG8P 8PeCAQu4IYVKw6IQ5o5uyt2cR85juxxDZJSIqUXOmPdtgMDmwjM5OrVIgMCFiiqU JQEVZwQsmWE= =PBRn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 31 January 2003 08:37 pm, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: > KDM "branding" can be accomplished with a simple kdmrc change to use a > Mandrake specific background image along with the Mandrake "star" logo. > No change needs to be made to KDM itself. > > However, a login screen will not make me change distros, but it may > cause me to change login managers - but that is why I like Linux, if I > don't like some design decision, I can always make a change myself. Except you lose functinality by using another dm, when you logout of kde you can't chose to shutdown or reboot immediately, which isn't really a big deal, but a nice one. - -- Jason Straight [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 1796276 pgp: http://www.JeetKuneDoMaster.net/~jason/pubkey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBPjsmaBFHZPcobeHxAQKCfAQAunZZvqzeoJJszHm/hxrOP2bgevmlWmO2 LXBpI3xljSwD5hkVOW+lHIVfQAAfdClhmefP0/RJHsWkLtIBWGca+al2mxAPpsle fgKQlYBD2P5cKc5EQ6l2y31nAKF4gbbgrxgS+eJGde2Xv44M1t9Dpk117GIJMxUS Zi7R0vrlnR4= =NZ0G -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 January 2003 08:17 pm, orville wrote: > Yes kdm is a part of KDE and guess what. THEY CHANGED IT NOT MANDRAKE! So > live with it. I compiled a couple of the release candidates, betas, and > even alpha's and this change was made from early on. If you'd chosen to > compile it earlier you wouldn't been able to provide some input. But yah > didn't no one complained and it's here to stay. Have a nice day :-D So kde changed it in after the release went final? And totally broke it's usefulness and compatability with kcontrol? All those nice features that are implied in kcontrol now do nothing. How was it that in the first final kdebase 3.1 that it didn't have this nasty kdm_greet? - -- Jason Straight [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 1796276 pgp: http://www.JeetKuneDoMaster.net/~jason/pubkey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBPjsl9RFHZPcobeHxAQIE3gP/fZJnF8nVjaZSFHIiGVp/oPZCxizrFuzC b3n2VhjR2YNUbWXqJPyLKsB/XSywyBxbDHQa03UgrmSvbtF4L7ktOmwY4pTeoSGl Ksq0/6/vDL+JHmBVc3bKPO0jkJNCu3MC8XscH4GYTAj6pBXXlXw/XrfTSLvqvsYl b3EKrBZu1vA= =jXZ2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:54, Shift a écrit : > Modifying a big part of antother project is not a patch but a FORK. > It is very bad and it is against free software philosophy (IMHO) Presicion : What I want to say is that replacing a big part of a program and allways call it with the original name is bad because people will associate kdm with this new application. So please, fork or remove this big modifications
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Le Samedi 1 Février 2003 02:37, Lonnie Borntreger a écrit : > KDM "branding" can be accomplished with a simple kdmrc change to use a > Mandrake specific background image along with the Mandrake "star" logo. > No change needs to be made to KDM itself. Restart your X server you will see that it is not just a start and a background but a entirally new DM. I am not against that but PLEASE, DON'T MODIFY KDM and MAKE A SEPARATE PACKAGE (drakdm ?) Modifying a big part of antother project is not a patch but a FORK. It is very bad and it is against free software philosophy (IMHO) > However, a login screen will not make me change distros, but it may > cause me to change login managers - but that is why I like Linux, if I > don't like some design decision, I can always make a change myself. I want too change DM too but they had REPLACE kdm with this HORRIBLE DM with Mandrake stars everywhere :(( > TTFN, > Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGINMANAGER ??????
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 19:27, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > On Friday 31 January 2003 6:13 pm, Shift wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has > > been replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > > I don't agree with the animosity--brand KDM away all you want--but I do > agree that the two-stage login thing is *quite* annoying. This should > at least be an option. KDM "branding" can be accomplished with a simple kdmrc change to use a Mandrake specific background image along with the Mandrake "star" logo. No change needs to be made to KDM itself. However, a login screen will not make me change distros, but it may cause me to change login managers - but that is why I like Linux, if I don't like some design decision, I can always make a change myself. TTFN, Lonnie Borntreger
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGINMANAGER ??????
Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 02:29, orville a écrit : > I digress. After reading laurent's post I decided to log off and see what all > the hubbub is about. THAT is definitely not KDE's new login manager. SHIT > that thing is ugly. Mandrake please, change it back. http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/kdebase/ see the 4 big patch kdebase-3.1-new-kdm* -- Laurent Culioli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pschit
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
On Friday 31 January 2003 6:13 pm, Shift wrote: > Hi all, > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has > been replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. I don't agree with the animosity--brand KDM away all you want--but I do agree that the two-stage login thing is *quite* annoying. This should at least be an option. -- Wesley J. Landaker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: C99E DF40 54F6 B625 FD48 B509 A3DE 8D79 541F F830
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
I digress. After reading laurent's post I decided to log off and see what all the hubbub is about. THAT is definitely not KDE's new login manager. SHIT that thing is ugly. Mandrake please, change it back. On Friday 31 January 2003 20:11, Laurent Culioli wrote: > Le sam 01/02/2003 à 02:13, Shift a écrit : > > Hi all, > > hi shift > > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has > > been replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > > Can you explain me why Mandrake has patch the original kdm to changed it > > in this fucking DM that I hate ? > > Im totaly agree with you , the mdklogin manager is ugly and > anti-ergonomic , IMHO its a very bad idea using two step to login. > > i hope this is only an alpha release :/
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER ??????
Yes kdm is a part of KDE and guess what. THEY CHANGED IT NOT MANDRAKE! So live with it. I compiled a couple of the release candidates, betas, and even alpha's and this change was made from early on. If you'd chosen to compile it earlier you wouldn't been able to provide some input. But yah didn't no one complained and it's here to stay. Have a nice day :-D On Friday 31 January 2003 20:13, Shift wrote: > Hi all, > > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has been > replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > Can you explain me why Mandrake has patch the original kdm to changed it in > this fucking DM that I hate ? > Do you want to be worst than RedHat who patch KDE ? Everybody has said that > RedHat had a bad attitude and they had lost lot's of users. You are making > the same but your changes are MUCH MORE VISIBLE and the Linux web sites > will not take much time to make a bad review of the NEW FUCKINg feature > > I just want to upgrade my MandrakeClub level to help you but if you > continue in this direction I won't and I will just let MandrakeSoft die. > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER MONEY > !! > > Shift > > PS : Or create your own DM but don't touch to kdm. Kdm is part of KDE !!
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGIN MANAGER??????
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 02:13:45AM +0100, Shift wrote: > Hi all, > > So REMOVE THIS FUCKING LOGIN MANAGER OR YOU WILL LOSE ME AND MOREOVER MONEY !! > I can't speak for MandrakeSoft, but my feelings are "So long, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out". -- Ryan T. Sammartino http://members.shaw.ca/ryants/ The surest protection against temptation is cowardice. -- Mark Twain
Re: [Cooker] WHY HAVE YOU CHANGE KDM WITH THIS HORRIBLE LOGINMANAGER ??????
Le sam 01/02/2003 à 02:13, Shift a écrit : > Hi all, hi shift > I just upgrade my Mandrake and when I restart my X session my kdm has been > replaced by an HORRIBLE login manager. > Can you explain me why Mandrake has patch the original kdm to changed it in > this fucking DM that I hate ? Im totaly agree with you , the mdklogin manager is ugly and anti-ergonomic , IMHO its a very bad idea using two step to login. i hope this is only an alpha release :/ -- Laurent Culioli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pschit
Re: [Cooker] why does DrakBackup need X connection?
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Ernest Beinrohr wrote: > drakbackup wont run without functional X DISPLAY. Why is that? It is a > console app afterall. > Actually it's both. It used to run from console, but must have gotten broken in the move to gtk2. I'll have a look. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc Archives: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker-ppc&r=1&w=2
Re: [Cooker] why does DrakBackup need X connection?
Ernest Beinrohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > drakbackup wont run without functional X DISPLAY. Why is that? It is a > console app afterall. why don't you use rsync instead in that case ?
Re: [Cooker] Why does rpmdrake default to deleting everything on an error?
Richard Ketchersid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't understand why this is the default. Your machine downloads > updates for an hour, then one little problem and all is lost. It really > wastes a lot of time and makes rpmdrake more of a pain than a help. I > always have to use "urpmi --nodelete --auto-select ..." instead. I can't > find information anywhere on how to alter rpmdrake's defaults. For the moment, to not delete files, you have to add 'noclearcache' to /root/.grpmi, but I'll try to add this to an "advanced options" GUI. FWIW, it was like that because urpmi should have handled conflicts before the actual download. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
Re: [Cooker] Why does rpmdrake default to deleting everything on an error?
--- "J. Greenlees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Ketchersid wrote: > > I don't understand why this is the default. Your > machine downloads > > updates for an hour, then one little problem and > all is lost. It really > > wastes a lot of time and makes rpmdrake more of a > pain than a help. I > > always have to use "urpmi --nodelete --auto-select > ..." instead. I can't > > find information anywhere on how to alter > rpmdrake's defaults. > > > are you sure that it's rolling back? I haven't seen > that. > it may dump the list, but it hasn't rolled the > packages back after > updating them. > the dump of the list is meant to force the checking > against the mirror > for what packages are needed even after a partially > successful update. > this reducing the chance of an error in updating > breaking a critical ( > for your use ) app. I think what he's saying is you select some stuff to install, it downloads it, then before it installs any of it there's some error (file conflict! Please detect this earlier or let user force install, or skip that package, or something!!!) and it doesn't install anything, but then it goes and deletes all of those RPMs it just downloaded (ugh!). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [Cooker] Why does rpmdrake default to deleting everything on anerror?
Richard Ketchersid wrote: I don't understand why this is the default. Your machine downloads updates for an hour, then one little problem and all is lost. It really wastes a lot of time and makes rpmdrake more of a pain than a help. I always have to use "urpmi --nodelete --auto-select ..." instead. I can't find information anywhere on how to alter rpmdrake's defaults. are you sure that it's rolling back? I haven't seen that. it may dump the list, but it hasn't rolled the packages back after updating them. the dump of the list is meant to force the checking against the mirror for what packages are needed even after a partially successful update. this reducing the chance of an error in updating breaking a critical ( for your use ) app. just my 2 cents Jaqui
Re: [Cooker] Why do I need MySQL and postgresql servers to use kdevelop ?
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 05:41 pm, Götz Waschk wrote: > Am Dienstag, 26. November 2002, 10:37:55 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: >> I tryied to install kdevelop and was surprised it wanted to install me >> postgre and mysql servers (cf http://pascal.terjan.free.fr/tmp/kdev.txt) >> So I tryied to look into the dependencies, I found It came from >> libqt3-devel depending on MySQL-devel and postgresql-devel >> MySQL-devel then requires MySQL >= 3.23.52 and MySQL-client >= 3.23.52 >> Is this normal ? > Unfortunately yes. If you search the archive, this has already been > discussed on the Cooker list. A possible solution would be to split > libqt3-devel into a libqt3-devel and a libqt3-db-devel package. That > way you only would need to install MySQL and postgresql if you wanted > to develop a database application with QT. I would split it further, with MySQL and PostgreSQL sub-modules. I generally don't install more than one SQL DB on a machine, and it's usually pg. Who knows, we may package SAP DB, Phoenix and the GPL version of SQL Server one day. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why do I need MySQL and postgresql servers tu use kdevelop?
Götz Waschk wrote: Am Dienstag, 26. November 2002, 10:37:55 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: I tryied to install kdevelop and was surprised it wanted to install me postgre and mysql servers (cf http://pascal.terjan.free.fr/tmp/kdev.txt) So I tryied to look into the dependencies, I found It came from libqt3-devel depending on MySQL-devel and postgresql-devel MySQL-devel then requires MySQL >= 3.23.52 and MySQL-client >= 3.23.52 Is this normal ? Unfortunately yes. If you search the archive, this has already been discussed on the Cooker list. A possible solution would be to split libqt3-devel into a libqt3-devel and a libqt3-db-devel package. That way you only would need to install MySQL and postgresql if you wanted to develop a database application with QT. CU But why do we need to have a local server to develop mysql/postgresql applications ? Isn't the client enough ?
Re: [Cooker] Why do I need MySQL and postgresql servers tu use kdevelop ?
Am Dienstag, 26. November 2002, 10:37:55 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: > I tryied to install kdevelop and was surprised it wanted to install me > postgre and mysql servers (cf http://pascal.terjan.free.fr/tmp/kdev.txt) > So I tryied to look into the dependencies, I found It came from > libqt3-devel depending on MySQL-devel and postgresql-devel > MySQL-devel then requires MySQL >= 3.23.52 and MySQL-client >= 3.23.52 > Is this normal ? Unfortunately yes. If you search the archive, this has already been discussed on the Cooker list. A possible solution would be to split libqt3-devel into a libqt3-devel and a libqt3-db-devel package. That way you only would need to install MySQL and postgresql if you wanted to develop a database application with QT. CU -- Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key --> Logout Fascism! <--
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I access/play audio cd's?
I think this is a support question... On Thursday 24 October 2002 04:13, Benj FitzPatrick wrote: > I have tried both cd drives, and both say I do not > have permission to access them (logged in under my eh..audio drives are not accesible because they do not need to be mounted. try to use kscd to play the cd. xmms needs to be configured to play correctly (point it to an empty dir and set the device correctly). Danny
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I access/play audio cd's?
Often this is your cd player app is looking for a device file (/dev/cdrom) that doesn't exist. Check if that's the case, and either: 1) tell your cd player app to use the right device (/dev/hdc, /dev/scd0, or whatever) 2) hard link /dev/cdrom to the right device cd /dev ln hdc cdrom for example. That used to be done on first boot by Mandrake but maybe not anymore? --- Bryan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Benj FitzPatrick wrote: > > I have tried both cd drives, and both say I do not > > have permission to access them (logged in under my > > identity and root). This only happens with audio > > cd's, and (of course) all of the cd playing > programs > > give me the same error. How can I fix this? > Thanks. > > What's the error? > > I'd suspect supermount. Only cause I had the same > problem at one point. > > > Shuttle ak31 with ac97 sound, xp1600+, 256MB > pc2100, > > evga geforce4 mx420, 52x cd (slave), 32x10x48 cdrw > (master) > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > -- > Bryan Whitehead > SysAdmin - JPL - Interferometry Systems and > Technology > Phone: 818 354 2903 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [Cooker] Why can't I access/play audio cd's?
Benj FitzPatrick wrote: I have tried both cd drives, and both say I do not have permission to access them (logged in under my identity and root). This only happens with audio cd's, and (of course) all of the cd playing programs give me the same error. How can I fix this? Thanks. What's the error? I'd suspect supermount. Only cause I had the same problem at one point. Shuttle ak31 with ac97 sound, xp1600+, 256MB pc2100, evga geforce4 mx420, 52x cd (slave), 32x10x48 cdrw (master) __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- Bryan Whitehead SysAdmin - JPL - Interferometry Systems and Technology Phone: 818 354 2903 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The command adds the journal to the filesystem as a hidden file > without bringing it on line. I've done this on countless systems > live without problems. the point is that if you enable journaling on a journal that *may* have already errors, since you will now skip fsck on reboot, you cannot rely on journalling to fix these errors, only to ensure fs operations operate smoothly. the problem is that if your fs has errors, you may end in corrupting your fs, though the kernel'll probably warn that some metadata look "strange". i agree this is fine for most people to live enabling journaling, but there's a risk. so better let reboot in single mode, check your fses and then only enable journalling.
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
On Monday 14 October 2002 05:03 pm, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX > i would do this only in single mode after having fully checked the fs > with fsck to be sure to rely on journal protection for new operations > whereas some errors were still there in the fs. The command adds the journal to the filesystem as a hidden file without bringing it on line. I've done this on countless systems live without problems. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
On Monday 14 October 2002 10:40 am, J. Greenlees wrote: > well, when I went ext3 I started getting major shutdown problems, where > the system can't unmount device, like eth0 and /dev/fd0 ( thelast is > really wierd the device is busy and no such device on the computer ) > it is faster, and definately an improvement for that alone, but it > doesn't like shutting down eth0 on my tower or the floppy drive on > diskless workstation ( laptop) There should be no connection at all between ethernet and filesystems. I suspect that the problem would be with SuperMount, if your floppy is giving you grief. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX i would do this only in single mode after having fully checked the fs with fsck to be sure to rely on journal protection for new operations whereas some errors were still there in the fs.
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
Vox wrote: > Silly Gary Lawrence Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > becomes daring and writes: > > >>>"B" == Biagio Lucini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>B> Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There >>B> are serious reasons to choose it in my view >> >>This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not >>possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to >>ext3? I have some older machines that could benefit, but it's not >>worth doing a complete re-install of all software. > > > Yes, you can. ext3 is ext2 with a journal stuck in (and some driver > improvements, I believe), so you just tune2fs it (-j option, IIRC) > and mod your /etc/fstab > > Do a google for it, to make sure (I went ext2-reiserfs-ext3 so I > didn't get to play with tune2fs) but it should be fairly easy. > > Vox > well, when I went ext3 I started getting major shutdown problems, where the system can't unmount device, like eth0 and /dev/fd0 ( thelast is really wierd the device is busy and no such device on the computer ) it is faster, and definately an improvement for that alone, but it doesn't like shutting down eth0 on my tower or the floppy drive on diskless workstation ( laptop) just an observation of how ext3 worked for me.
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, and the good news with ext3 as opposed to another fs is that if the kernel for some reason can't mount it as ext3 it can still mount as ext2. On Sunday 13 October 2002 22:40, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Monday 14 October 2002 08:43 am, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not > > possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to > > ext3? I have some older machines that could benefit, but it's not > > worth doing a complete re-install of all software. > > tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX > > Wait a few seconds, adjust fstab, remount at your leisure, game over. Make > sure that your kernel can read the ext3 and (jpd) modules from its ramdisk > before you do this to your root partition. > > Cheers; Leon - -- "Having no way as way, having no limitation as limitation." Bruce Lee PGP Keys: http://www.jeetkunedomaster.net/~junfan/pubkey.asc Jason Straight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ: 1796276 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBPaozbhFHZPcobeHxAQKiNAQAlkwI2A6iwc+BxblmLzDtvVZsQrUqDK2a opK5nYgwciAqZSyVlDVCPYMKol4R1tsFoXdHwuyFPFoaUUVf8yVQFtzn6Y8jS+mn gzTDqcsw/RNucGmqDabEsMGKUqPWd81BQwH0LIl+DCbxXs+PKGsilQRnzpI+hDZm 4Phgk1WrKrI= =CYsO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
On Monday 14 October 2002 08:43 am, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not > possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to > ext3? I have some older machines that could benefit, but it's not > worth doing a complete re-install of all software. tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX Wait a few seconds, adjust fstab, remount at your leisure, game over. Make sure that your kernel can read the ext3 and (jpd) modules from its ramdisk before you do this to your root partition. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
Silly Gary Lawrence Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: >> "B" == Biagio Lucini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > B> Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There > B> are serious reasons to choose it in my view > > This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not > possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to > ext3? I have some older machines that could benefit, but it's not > worth doing a complete re-install of all software. Yes, you can. ext3 is ext2 with a journal stuck in (and some driver improvements, I believe), so you just tune2fs it (-j option, IIRC) and mod your /etc/fstab Do a google for it, to make sure (I went ext2-reiserfs-ext3 so I didn't get to play with tune2fs) but it should be fairly easy. Vox -- Pain is the gift of the gods, and I'm the one they chose as their messenger For info on safety in the BDSM lifestyle http://www.the-vox.com Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg78893/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Why ext3fs is a default fs, not ReiserFS?
> "B" == Biagio Lucini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: B> Seriously, you have given a partial view of what ext3 is. There B> are serious reasons to choose it in my view This is a naive question and my first-guess is that it is not possible, but is there any way to 'upgrade' a live file-system to ext3? I have some older machines that could benefit, but it's not worth doing a complete re-install of all software. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - TeleDynamics Communications - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Picasso)
