[CTRL] Fwd: Clinton's African Renaissance?
-Caveat Lector- forwarded message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 Subj: ForeignCorrespondent Where is Clinton's "African Renaissance"? Foreign Correspondent Inside Track On World News By International Syndicated Columnist Broadcaster Eric Margolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where is Clinton's "African Renaissance"? -- by Eric Margolis January 31, 1999 NEW YORK - Last March, President Bill Clinton went hunting for black votes back home by staging a highly-publicized safari to Africa. Clinton, who was accompanied by a 1,000-strong entourage more fitting to a Chinese Emperor, proclaimed ` a new African renaissance.' `Africa's accomplishments,' Clinton effused, `grow more impressive each month.' Ten months of impressive accomplishments later, more than half of black Africa is convulsed by war, slaughter, or famine. Sudan, the largest nation, is torn by civil war. So, too, Sierra Leone, where drug-crazed rebels chop off the hands and feet of their victims. Eritrea and Ethiopia are warring over a barren border region - `like two bald men fighting over a comb,' one wit noted. Tribal warfare rages in Uganda, Guinea-Bissau, Congo Brazaville, and Liberia. Rwanda is a mountain of bones. But the most interesting conflicts are in Congo(ex-Zaire), and Angola. They offer a striking sense of deja vu: Seven armies are battling over Congo, Africa's treasure house of gold, copper, gemstones, and cobalt. Congo's 30,000 man `army' has never been more than gangs of uniformed thugs. So current dictator, Lumumbaist-marxist revolutionary Laurent Kabila, called in troops from fellow, left-leaning African states: 4,000 Angolans, 3,500 Zimbabweans, 1,000 Chadians, 1,000 Sudanese, and 8,000 Hutus who led the massacre of 500,000 Tutsi in their native Rwanda. Opposing this leftist coalition are anti-Kabila Congolese, led by the delightfully-named Wamba dia Wamba, backed by 4,000 Ugandan regulars, and 6,000 Tutsis warriors from the eastern Congo, and from the Rwandan army. White mercenaries from South African and Europe are being employed by all sides. Powerful US, Canadian, and European mining companies bankroll the Congo fighting. War has erupted again in neighboring Angola. Though twice the size of France, oil, mineral, and diamond-rich Angola has only 11.3 million people. If properly managed and farmed, its lush central plateau could feed ALL of black Africa. Instead, wretched, dirt-poor Angola has endless civil war, armies of refugees, pockets of starvation, spreading HIV epidemic - which Cuban soldiers took back to their island in the 1980's - and millions of uncharted land mines. UN efforts to make peace and form a coalition government between Angola's two warring factions, the communist MPLA, and anti-communist UNITA, totally failed. The Angolan civil war, which began in 1975, has resumed full force. Completing the deja vu, Cuban troops have once again landed in Angola to support the marxist regime in Luanda. I twice covered the Angolan war, including big, fierce battles at Cuito Cuanavale, and Mavinga, that pitted Angolan communist soldiers, backed by 55,000 Cuban mechanized troops, Cuban piloted MiG's, and thousands of Soviet, East German, and Bulgarian military advisors, against Gen. Jonas Savimbi's UNITA army, supported by South Africa and CIA. By fascinating coincidence, I learned years later in Moscow that my driver, a retired Red Army colonel, had been in a forward position during the same battle for Cuito: I had been firing 122mm rockets at his strongpoint. His unit had been firing back at us with heavy mortars. At the Cold War's end, the US abandoned its ally, Gen. Savimbi, and backed the communist regime in Luanda. Angola became one of America's most important suppliers of high- grade oil. Since then, the US has used the UN to try to disarm, discredit, and neutralize UNITA, whose anti- communism and free-market advocacy, had become inconvenient. The Clinton Administration fed the US media a steady stream of anti-UNITA stories designed to isolate the movement and pave the way for its demise. Clinton's black supporters railed against UNITA for having once accepted aid from white-ruled South Africa. Savimbi, a multi-lingual PhD, was, I discovered, one of Africa's most intelligent, impressive, capable leaders, and, notably, the only one who ever is one time. But he was shunned by the US, which was content to deal with the communoist regime so long as it suplied oil. Sustained by back-country diamond fields, discreet aid from Zaire's late chief, Gen. Mobutu, and his Ovambundu tribe, which makes up nearly half Angola's people, Savimbi soldiered on. However, Congo's new Kabila regime, quickly made an alliance with Angola's marxists, blessed by the US, and Zimbabwe's
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-Caveat Lector- BBC News Online: Business: The Economy Front Page | World | UK | UK Politics | Business | Sci/Tech | Health | Education | Sport | Entertainment | Talking Point | High Graphics | Feedback | Help | Noticias | Newyddion | Wednesday, February 3, 1999 Published at 16:46 GMT IMF talks calm Brazil's markets Picture IMF talks calm Brazil's markets Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso has met with senior negotiators from the International Monetary Fund who are hammering out possible solutions for the country's deep financial crisis. After the meeting, he said that "the situation in Brazil is developing the way we wanted ... with the return of confidence in the markets." The real, the Brazilian currency, has held steady on foreing exchange markets following the appointment of a former aide to international financier George Soros as the country's new central banker on Tuesday. The IMF's First Deputy Managing Director Stanley Fischer and other fund officials had a working breakfast with President Cardoso in the official presidential residence in Brasilia. Also attending the breakfast were Brazilian Finance Minister Pedro Malan and the newly-nominated president of the central bank Arminio Fraga Neto. Picture: [ image: width=150] The President later told reporters that it was "not crucial" that the IMF speed up a second $9bn instalment of international loans for Brazil because the country's foreign currency reserves were at a "comfortable" level. However the government hopes Mr Fischer's presence will accelerate the release of a second slice of the $41.5bn international loan package assembled by the IMF. High interest rates The two sides must first negotiate new targets for Brazil's budget, interest rates and foreign exchange rules following its surprise devaluation three weeks ago. The IMF has given a clear signal that it expects Brazil to keep its interest rates high to defend the currency. "Clearly the tightness in monetary policy will continue," said IMF Deputy Managing Director Alassane Ouattara. "Our experience in Asia has shown that it is important to see a firm monetary framework at the beginning of a crisis." Brazil raised its interest rates to 39% on Monday. But the continuation of high interest rates could send the Brazilian economy into a deep recession this year. More credible banker? Mr Fraga is a former central bank official who has until recently directed the speculative activities of Soros Fund Management, the powerful investment vehicle of the international billionaire George Soros. He replaces former central bank chief Francisco Lopes, who lasted just three weeks in the job. He was international affairs director at the central bank between 1991 and 1992 under former President Collor de Mello, before joining the Soros Fund in 1993. He has now severed all his links with Mr Soros and "there is no relation between his opinions and those of his former boss," according to Brazil's Finance Minister Pedro Malan. Mr Soros has been advocating some sort of international currency coordination recently. Picture: [ image: width=150] Mr Malan said that the appointment "in no way represents any change in the direction and orientation of economic policy." He said further changes would be announced at the central bank shortly. Mr Fraga's appointment was seen by economists as giving Brazil's economic policy more credibility in international financial markets. "He's a very serious man," said Inter-American Development Bank economist Ricardo Hausmann. "I think if he announces an economic programme...it will have a lot of credibility, and I think that we're seeing that right now as we speak in the strengthening of the real." And a foreign exchange dealer added: "A guy with practice in the market is going to help a lot more than somebody who just knows theories." Mr Fraga will only take over when he is confirmed by the Brazilian Senate in hearings which will begin on 22 February following the Carnival holiday. Until then, the central bank's International Affairs Director Demosthenes Madureira de Pinho Neto would serve as interim head. Meanwhile the Finance Minister revealed that he had submitted his own resignation, but it had been refused. "I will remain in the position as long as I have the benefit of the president's confidence," Mr Malan said. Real on the rebound The real meanwhile was trading at 1.77 - 1.79 to the dollar on Wednesday. It had gone as low as more than 2.0 reals to the dollar on Friday, a devaluation of more than 40%. The Sao Paulo stock exchange, the largest in South America, was up 1.4% in early trades on Wednesday. It closed down 1.79% on Tuesday. The embattled currency has recovered since panic eased about weekend rumours that the government was planning extreme measures such as freezing bank
Re: [CTRL] Pentagon Wants Emergency Authority Within USA
-Caveat Lector- On 2 Feb 99, , Teo wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/2/99 7:10:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But civil libertarians and some Administration officials fear that such military power could slowly expand to threaten the privacy, liberty and lives of private citizens. Defenders of the plan, including Pentagon officials, insist that it would do no such thing and that the nation needed homeland defense to deal with terrorists armed with deadly germs, chemicals and skills for attacking the nation's key computer networks. Military officials added that they had no intention of usurping civilian control. "Our only appropriate role is in support of civil agencies that have the primary responsibility for law and order and emergency response," John J. Hamre, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, said in an interview. Are they supposed to say; "Yeah, we want to grab control and will do so as soon as it is feasible."? Give me a break, the military says it is not interesting in seizing civil control! It will indeed mean an interference with our rights and privacy. Any time the military intervenes it means that people are displaced, lives are lost, and privacy, and freedoms are lost. Does this create some interesting new conflict between FEMA and the Pentagon? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] KGBing the USA
-Caveat Lector- What is this in relationship to?? Eric Stewart wrote: -Caveat Lector- Why are you taking the prosecutors side in wanting to get rid of grand juries? == This is a research list and as such, I consider a vast majority of what I post on the list to be subject to examination by all on this list. I have had to post this disclaimer several times since joining this list and tire of it. -- Where did you get the information you are basing the above on? == The author's name is on the post. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listmail.aol.com ([152.163.200.33]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA190 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:09:32 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:09 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 23059087 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:09 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f57.hotmail.com [207.82.251.69]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29870 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21864 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 1999 21:22:07 - Received: from 12.76.67.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:22:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [12.76.67.201] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:22:06 PST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Eric Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] KGBing the USA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fascism - The future of the New World
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The world is a crazy place folks (as i 'm sure everyone on this list agrees ;-) ) and it's easy to lock ourselves in our homes, sit at our computers (which are actually more powerful weapons than we think!!) and look to the past. It's time to look to the future and realise where we are heading. Richard B. Richard this was an excellent post! Some comments I would make are that it is ultimately unclear (at least in my mind) who really does run the show, whether it is the corporations or the politicians. The rise of corporatism and it's sublimation to fascistic agendas is very true and has been going on for some time now. Your comments vis a vis the third world are excellent observations of a principal that some will not see, and that is that fascism is not just a military dictatorship that one can hang ones hat of defiance upon, but instead it is in our lives every day when we eat a Chiquita banana, or buy some other corporate product. Corporations are promoting an agenda, just as you describe so very well, with their think tanks, and their advisory boards. I would like to illustrate one other thing and that is the UN and the IMF. The UN has as a matter of course many NGA (Non-Governmental Agencies) in attendance at meetings. These groups are probably dominated by corporations, there to promote their agenda. The IMF forces economic plans onto sovereign nations (really taking away their sovereignty in the bargain) that are devised by corporations and run by international bankers. Teo1000 Thanks Teo, it's nice to know i am not alone (may i also thank William Tunstall - most gracious). I do agree with your comments on the UN and the IMF to an extent and will make my case over the weekend. It is a difficult subject to resolve and much easier to come up with questions instead of realistic answers. It would be nice to hear from others on the lsit regarding this discussion. While still on the subject, we have an early example that shows exactly how corporate hegemony is to be exercised. One of the Candian Provinces (was it Ontario?) passed a "no fault" auto-insurance law: an extremely efficient and inexpensive way to deal with liability claims arising from car crashes. Under the NAFTA-like agreement between USA Canada, an American insurance company sued and succeeded in forcing Ontario to drop their legally adopted insurance scheme! The European Commission is similarly beginning to push its nose increasingly into what many would consider to be the "internal affairs" of European countries. Before anyone sends me flames minimizing the extent of such intrusions up tillnow, please note that these super-national structures are very much in "sales mode", and are therefore currently on "good behavior". When their power is consolidated -- for example when the European currency eventually 'kicks-in' -- and it's too late for nations to back out, then be prepared for a strong downward pressure on workers rights and progressive programs -- you can see the future, and it is the third world. The American Civil War shows what happens when states, which thought they had voluntarilty joined a federal union, try to withdraw. The Internet is a potentially powerful tool to help the people of the world understand the predicament they're in, by "going around" the mass media and the well-publicized pronouncments of the "spin-to-order" corporate "think tanks" (Personally, I think "policy bordello" is a more appropriate label than "think tank".) The net also has tremendous limitations and is imminently vulnerable to suppression, as we have seen recently in the USA, Denmark, Hong Kong, and Italy, and as S.314 and S.390 (!) forebodes for the future. I'm not one of those crypto-anarchists who sees networking as the "ultimate tool of democracy" -- those guys are living in a virtual-reality dream world. But, until we start making effective use of the Internet for democratic purposes, it's OURSELVES who are setting the limits -- not the authorities. After they kick us off the net, then we can blame THEM. Those of you barricaded in with your PGP arsenal might as well move to Waco and buy an AK-47, the two weapons and refuges will be equally useless in any real struggle. Everywhere capital is looking for new markets to develop, the US government has announced the "Discovery of Cyberspace": the latest "unoccupied" territory to be conquered and exploited. You have to admire their chutzpa, in openly publishing a "Magna Carta", which lays out how Cyberspace is to ceded to a new generation of Robber Barons, as insulated as possible from responsible public oversight. Thus the post-war corporate third-world paradigm finally sends its marines to the beachheads of Cyberspace. It may be time for us Internet natives to have an appropriate pow-wow before we, in our turn, are wiped out. Any CTRL suggestions ? Richard B. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- One writes: The Drug War is marketed as the only way to "save our children." Yet, eighty years into the most protracted and expensive experiment in Prohibition in history, illicit drugs are more available on the streets, on our playgrounds, and in our school yards than ever. What are the real consequences of these disastrous policies? Click on any topic at right to learn more about what's gone wrong, and how we can fix it. Prohibition is the problem. You can be part of the solution. Join DRCNet today, and SAY NO to the Drug War -- your voice makes a difference. drug-related HIV/AIDS and needle exchange kids and the drug war chronic pain management people of color and the drug war drug treatment medicinal marijuana more coming soon! === Why not make robbery, rape and murder legal. /// Because those are crimes against persons...I am arguing for decriminalizing victimless crimes... \\\ When women are raped by those in a stupor When people are killed in wrecks by those in a stupor When dopers are in a stupor robbing and killing people are there no victims? === It is not legal to be drunk and drive? Of course it is illegal to be drunk and driving but after one becomes drunk, they get in a stupor and their logic/fears/reflexes are lost. Their fear of being caught drunk or doped up .. their common sense is lost... so because it was legal for them to get drunk, they got in a stupor and because they got in a stupor * It cost the rest of us money out of our pockets to pay for their stupor. * It cost injury and death to thousands of innocent each year for their right to be in a stupor. Victimless crimes? * Tell me why non drunks have to pay billions of dollars for extra cops to catch and lock up drunks (who are involved in legal dope) * Tell me why innocent people killed by drunks aren't victims? * Tell me why the families of innocent victims are not victims of drunks? Legal drunks ... Legal dope users so then the government makes their slaughter, assaults, rapes legal ? /// Most rapes, etc., are NOT done by drunks...or by dope users... \\\ Duh, did you miss 48 hours last week. What amount of rapes did they reveal happened while the pervert was in a stupor? and the statistics on all the criminals in prison, 80% of them were stupid on booze/dope when they committed their crimes. = So you ARE arguing for reinstution of Prohibition, aren't you? Just come out and admit it. /// NO, prohibition could never work in a government in which the politicians are mob bosses on the take. The only way prohibition would ever work is by having the death penalty for drunks/dope users and the death penalty for those who get rich defending them. With in a year there would be about 2000 executions and after perverts knew they could not get away with it or buy their way out of it, it would become almost non existent. After that time the perverts would stop killing themselves and innocent victims. With in 10 years there would be over 15 times more lives saved than those executed. NO, I am not stupid enough to think it will ever happen in a corrupt government in which the perverts have their rights at the loss of the rights of the innocent. I know innocent people will never have their rights in America, I only point out that perverts and their bleeding hearts are an evil force in an evil nation. It does not matter that it will not be changed, establishing the faces of the evil is my only point. == "Making dope legal will stop crime" Double Duh Booze is legal and on the cop videos and in our newspapers we see grocery stores broken into, we read about people being killed by drunks who are just getting enough money to get drunk. /// How do they know that the crimes were done by those who are alcoholics? \\\ Because they admitted to that reason, because they were caught stealing booze, because the muggers beating/killing their victims were drunks/dope users who were not robbing to by a tv, fix their car or to send money to Fawell, They beat and rob victims in order to get their next stupor. They were stupid on dope or booze while committing their crimes ! How do I know, because that is what the FACTS state. === they wouldn't have to do if heroin, etc., were available CHEAPLY to them via a government program... We'd also cut down on the incidencense of diseases which are spread via the sharing of needles... /// Take a look at the documentary on needle park and see what a crock this is. Who is going to pay for the government doctors, offices and dope... me? = Heh
[CTRL] ACLU
-Caveat Lector- I am also not going to be drawn into a debate about the merits of the ACLU's position on a variety of matters because they, like all organizations, have an agenda to promote. I would say that they definitely do display hypocrisy about some issues, but it does not negate the tremendous good that they do lobbying congress for protection of civil liberties, preserving privacy rights, and preserving property rights *** The aclu are nothing but a bunch of lawyers so it has a turd base. Lawyers get rich by keeping conflicts going between people, so there is nothing about morality. Preserve liberties.. from who but a bunch of other lawyers. I do not in the least push religion in any schools. I only point out their corruption to show that the aclu are a bunch of punks doing the bidding of the party punks. The constitution states: Congress (bs) shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion OR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. I don't ask you to defend them (I like lots of the stuff you write) I only ask you to pose the question why #1 They lie about "separation between church state" being in the constitution. #2 It is the aclu who takes away the constitutional right/liberty when they PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION. The word "church" is no where in the constitution, the word is religion. The government has declared hindu, humanism and even witch craft to be tax exempt religions. It is ONLY the christian brand of religion that is banned in schools. They teach yoga, they have libraries full of books on witch craft, situation ethics is humanism, "social studies" is an integration of humanism, It would be ok to have a halloween party and dress up like some ghost, vampire or witch, but if some kid dressed up like a bible character his ass would be in a sling. The aclu is just a good cop / bad cop game in which a bunch of lawyers cause conflict so they can get rich on people's fears and outrage. The aclu does not fight for all people's rights, they are representatives of corrupt politicians and perverts while they fight to destroy the rights of their most hated christians. They do a lot of good? Look in any prison, there are thousands of criminials who have helped others and have done a lot of good. One is not manifest to be evil because the good they do but by their evil. The aclu is just a group of politician underground puppets. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pentagon Wants Emergency Authority Within USA
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 1:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this create some interesting new conflict between FEMA and the Pentagon? Wow, can't you just imagine us saluting to "El General Presidente." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Foster, NSA and Banks (Part 19)
-Caveat Lector- Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying, Part XIX by J. Orlin Grabbe The triangular trade in early American history involved slaves picked up from the African coast, transported to the Caribbean to be exchanged for sugar, and the sugar then transported to the American colonies to be exchanged for rum. The triangular trade in modern times involves the exchange of some third world raw material (oil, gold) or agricultural product derivative (coca processed into cocaine, or opium processed into heroin), for first world armaments and high technology, facilitated by cash or a cash-like intermediary which is laundered through banking or financial institutions. Does the current Whitewater investigation simply involve a turf war, a battle for market share, in the modern triangular trade? Does one component of this war consist of a feud between families, reminiscent of the Hatfields and the McCoys? Think of the parallels between Arkansas and Pittsburgh. A. Bill Clinton, with the financial backing of Don Lasater and Jackson Stephens, ran Little Rock like a Mafia don. B. Richard Scaife, using his own fortune, runs Pittsburgh like a Mafia don. A. The friends of Bill Clinton were involved in supplying weapons to the Contras. B. The friends of Richard Scaife were involved in supplying weapons and nuclear-related technology to Iraq. A. Many of the Arkansas companies involved were represented by the Rose law firm. B. Many of Iraq's nuclear suppliers are represented by the law firm of Buchanan Ingersoll P.C. A. The Arkansas money was laundered through Don Lasater's bond business, Jackson Stephens' Worthen bank, and the ADFA. B. The Pittsburgh money was laundered through Mellon Bank. A. Faced with media exposure, the Little-Rock based Systematics (Alltel Information Services), a supplier of banking software, hires a New York detective firm named Proust and Killman to monitor its critics. Proust is said to have been sacked by Richard Helms as a CIA renegade. B. Faced with media exposure, the Pittsburgh-based Mellon Bank, scheduled to face a RICO-suit for money laundering on August 28, hires a New York detective firm named Proust and Killman to monitor its critics. Proust is said to have been sacked by Richard Helms as a CIA renegade. A. Vince Foster was a behind-the-scenes manager of a Systematics- related money-laundering project. According to a confidential report, "When considered in comparison to BCCI in its original conceptual intent, Systematics is several steps ahead of the capability of Financial General, BCCI, BNL's grey book operations and any of the CASA de Cambios that are currently servicing the lesser needs of the covert/illegal money trades domestically and internationally. To state this very simply, don't own the bank or the financial institution that has to maintain its accounta- bility under regulatory scrutiny--own the computers, financial software and employees which operate the back office for the banks and financial institutions." B. Vince Foster, at the time of his death, was in possession of nuclear-weapons related materials. He had his executive assistant, Deborah Gorham, place in Bernard Nussbaum's safe two notebooks from the National Security Agency. One of these was blue, indicating nuclear-related secrets. NSA's responsibilities include communications security for strategic weapons systems such as the Minuteman missile so as to prevent unauthorized intrusion, interference, or jamming, and responsibility for developing the codes by which the President must identify himself in order to authorize a nuclear strike. According to Anthony Kimery, in an article entitled *Fostergate Continued*, scheduled to appear in the September issue of *Media Bypass Magazine*, on the day of his death Vince Foster left the White House around 1:00 p.m., "to meet a man employed by a company involved in construction of signals intelligence collection facilities for the National Security Agency (NSA) . . . Allegedly under investigation by the FBI for contract fraud, the firm's Little Rock office was where the tag to the vehicle driven by the man was registered." A. Hillary Clinton, while one of the chief litigators of the Rose law firm and wife of Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton, was a director of Wal-Mart, said to have been utilized in the Little Rock money-laundering operation. B. Hillary Clinton, while one of the chief litigators of the Rose law firm and wife of Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton, was a director of Lafarge corporation, whose Marblehead, Ohio subsidiary Standard Lafarge is said to have been utilized in the transport network to ferret machine tools and nose cones out of Pittsburgh and into Canada for shipment to Iraq.
Re: [CTRL] Pentagon Wants Emergency Authority Within USA
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 1:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this create some interesting new conflict between FEMA and the Pentagon? sno0wl I don't think so. The military is behind much of FEMA, IMO. However there may be something to look into in this regard if you believe the secret government, faction one and faction two, military stories that you hear about from time to time. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ACLU
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/4/99 5:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The constitution states: Congress (bs) shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion OR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. I think I made it clear in my post that I agree with you here, there IS NO separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is how the courts have interpreted a doctrine. They have taken the easy way out by separating church and state so as NOT to be all inclusive. It is not necessarily a good thing. Additionally, I think, and I am in no way trying to defend the ACLU, that they may only tackle cases they have a chance of winning, thus they would not sue the Congress for it's prayers, though they are probably against it. We still have "In God We Trust" on our money, even though many would not agree with the sentiment. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- It is hard to follow your schizophrenic posts, with talk back and forth on the issue, but I will respond thus. Driving while intoxicated is a choice you make, there are consequences for that choice, that you MAY hurt someone. I may go out and kill someone today just cause I feel like it, does that mean I should be restrained in my house simply for that reason? I am not defending ones right to drive drunk, because I don't want to be killed by a drunk driver any more than you do, but it is still a penalizing of POTENTIAL wrong which is nowhere supported in our system of law. Drugs have been assailed for years at a tremendous cost and what do we have now, more people on drugs and a worse situation. At the least stop the insanity of a huge military expenditure (against the Posse Comitatus anyway) to combat this and do something else. The answer does not necessarily have to be legalization, but what we have now is crap, period. As for registering and living in areas free from "perverts" well, that is something that others have tried to no good end. Since under your scheme whatever goes against my grain is "perverted" I should have the right to be free from all of the nefarious influences. I suspect you were being somewhat facetious? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has refused anthrax ...
-Caveat Lector- I have an interesting question regarding this issue, that might explain the military's reasoning on it. I don't necessarily support this view but put it out there for thought. In WAR TIME a commanding officer has the right, indeed duty to order his men to do dangerous things that may get the me killed, he may even have to order them to do something that will virtually certainly get them killed. Therefore a soldier has no right to go against this since it undermines the command and nature of armed conflict. That might explain the rationale of an army who wants to court-martial men who refuse thus, BUT we are not at war (or maybe we are and it is just unacknowledged) we are in PEACETIME, thus the need for orders that are life threatening is not apparent, so why would someone be compelled to take this vaccine? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CANADIAN BLOOD VICTIMS FILE SUIT
http://etherzone.com/bloodgate2.html Clinton could be named. Title: CANADIAN BLOOD VICTIMS FILE SUIT Click Here to Visit our Sponsor Canadian Blood Victims File Suit,Consider Naming Clinton By RICKI MAGNUSSEN We are seeking justice here, says Michael McCarthy, spokesperson and lead plaintiff in a $1 billion lawsuit launched in Toronto Thursday by the tainted-blood victims. The lawsuit names the federal Canadian Government and two companies, Connaught Laboratories who manufactured blood products for the Canadian hemophiliacs, and Continental Pharma Cryosan who bought contaminated plasma from an Arkansas prison and sold it to Connaught Laboratories. The lawsuit against the Canadian parties in the blood scandal is only the beginning. In a development that may portend trouble for the beleaguered President Clinton, the victims are now considering legal action in the United States. We are looking at our legal rights in the United States regarding protecting our rights to launch legal actions against the parties that were responsible for what happened to us. If the governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton, was involved in the collection of plasma in anyway, he needs to respond to what his involvement was. Certainly, we'll seriously be looking into naming him in a lawsuit if it is determined that he played a role in what happened to us, McCarthy says. Leonard Dunn, president of Health Management Associates, the firm that had a state contract to collect blood from Arkansas prisoners, served as finance chairman of Bill Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial campaign. The Washington Weekly caught Michael McCarthy for a short interview just before a Thursday press conference to announce the filing of the suit. MCCARTHY: Today at 3 o'clock we will launch a lawsuit on behalf of victims of hepatitis C, like myself, who were regular blood users in the Canadian blood system. I'm a hemophiliac, and I took blood products in the years from 1980 to 1984 and was infected with Hepatitis C through those products. I exclusively took Connaught products from the Connaught Laboratories here in Toronto. They made hemophiliac product Factor VIII. The story was uncovered by Justice Krever in the Krever inquiry into the tainted blood tragedy of Canada that was started in 1994 and ended in 1997. He heard testimony on why so many Canadians were infected, through the blood system, with AIDS and hepatitis C. Through this investigation, documents and facts came forward that were not known before. Krever uncovered that prisons in the U.S., in particular prisons in Arkansas and Louisiana, had high risk prison plasma collection facilities. When they couldn't find buyers for this high risk plasma, they phoned around the world and ultimately found a broker in Montreal, Continental Pharma, who would take this high risk plasma. You must remember that by the end of 1982, the FDA had told all the blood banks and fractionators in the U.S. that prison plasma was unsuitable to use for products in the U.S., and they complied. When this happened, there was no market for prison plasma until they found a broker in Montreal that would accept it. There was a loophole that allowed them to send it up to Canada. We are talking thousands of liters of high risk prison plasma. We know that the FDA shut down the HMA--the private company that ran the plasma center within the Arkansas prison facility--a couple of times due to flagrant violations of plasma collection procedures. There was some label tampering and there are allegations that some inmates were given drugs instead of money for donating blood. Krever points out in his final report that there were two recalls from Connaught labs. A total of 4500 vials went out to the hemophilia community in Canada and only 450 were returned. The rest were put in our veins. This was all tainted product that was made from U.S. prison plasma. So with that in mind, what we are doing in our lawsuit is that we are naming Continental Pharma, the federal government, and Connaught Laboratories in a $1 billion lawsuit on behalf of the thousand hemophiliacs who were exposed to this high risk prison plasma. We are seeking justice here. QUESTION: So you are only suing Canadian parties in this? MCCARTHY: We are seriously looking at our legal rights regarding the American involvement in our tragedy. We'll be seeking legal advice to see if legal action is appropriate. We certainly feel that an investigation should be called upon in the U.S. to ask why, if this plasma that wasn't suitable for domestic use in the United States, the FDA allowed it to come up to Canada to be put in innocent arms up here. There has to be some sort of
Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- I have to jump on this one here. I think that punishing someone for the potential to do wrong, in a case such as this, IS the right thing to do. You mentioned that you may go out and kill someone because you feel like it (hypothetically, of course). I think, based on that rationale, that you should be restrained. If a person displays homicidal tendencies, as well as an inability to understand the ramifications of their actions, then they should indeed be kept under some sort of lock and key. If you drink, your judgement is impaired, right? You are no longer able to understand or fully comprehend your actions or the consequences thereof. You get behind the wheel of a car, a very dangerous piece of machinery, and you are running the very high risk of killing or hurting yourself and (worse) other people. You wouldn't let a crazy person walk through a shopping mall with a loaded pistol, correct? Yet, we see nothing wrong with letting hundreds of weekend warriors out and about with their mental faculties no less hampered with a far more dangerous and destructive piece of equipment at their fingertips. Drunk drivers are a danger and a menace. If we could nip the problem at its source, perhaps alot of lives that have already been lost (a very good friend of mine's among them), could have been spared. -Original Message- From: Teo One Thousand [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS -Caveat Lector- It is hard to follow your schizophrenic posts, with talk back and forth on the issue, but I will respond thus. Driving while intoxicated is a choice you make, there are consequences for that choice, that you MAY hurt someone. I may go out and kill someone today just cause I feel like it, does that mean I should be restrained in my house simply for that reason? I am not defending ones right to drive drunk, because I don't want to be killed by a drunk driver any more than you do, but it is still a penalizing of POTENTIAL wrong which is nowhere supported in our system of law. Drugs have been assailed for years at a tremendous cost and what do we have now, more people on drugs and a worse situation. At the least stop the insanity of a huge military expenditure (against the Posse Comitatus anyway) to combat this and do something else. The answer does not necessarily have to be legalization, but what we have now is crap, period. As for registering and living in areas free from "perverts" well, that is something that others have tried to no good end. Since under your scheme whatever goes against my grain is "perverted" I should have the right to be free from all of the nefarious influences. I suspect you were being somewhat facetious? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] Skeptic News Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990204a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Space mirror to sparkle over world. Russian hopes of brightening the Sib- erian winter by reflecting sunlight from a mirror in space will be tested again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_271000/271224.stm # Mirror in sky: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/03/space.mirror/index.html @ Also: Space mirror groundtrack: http://www.energialtd.com/znamya.htm @ Znamya 2.5 experiment timetable: http://src.space.ru/inform1-e.htm @ Znamya space reflector: http://www.space-frontier.org/EVENTS/Znamya/ # Mir's Mirror a No-Go. The Mir space station's troubles with a giant light- casting mirror apparently mean Russia's north will remain shrouded in wint- ertime gloom. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/17729.html : Will it work or will it won't? Is obliterating night a good idea? Can you adapt to All DayTime All The Time? Would everything's cycles be thrown off? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pluto stays a planet. (BBC) Pluto is to remain a planet and not be reclassified as a minor body. And they said it couldn't happen here - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_271000/271832.stm # It's official: no 'demotion' for planet Pluto - see http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/03/pluto.saved.reut/index.html @ Also: Postcard from Pluto: http://www.wrightworks.com/pluto.htm @ IAU Pluto status page: http://www.ss.astro.umd.edu/IAU/div3/pluto.shtml # Pluto will have 'dual citizenship': http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_259000/259767.stm # Pluto may be demoted: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_257000/257360.stm : If little Pluto can be a planet, can I be one too? Should Rush Limbo be launched into orbit and declared a planetoid? Would you like to be a planet? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Look: 3D TV with no goggles. (BBC) An advanced display screen, which could allow you to move around a three-dimensional virtual world without goggles, has been developed. 3D videos can be stored on ordinary VHS tapes - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_271000/271693.stm @ Also: 3D displays review http://takeo.kulab.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~morris/Cote.HTM # Classic TV gets digital future http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_193000/193861.stm # Just a second! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_15/150395.stm : At what point will fantasy landscapes become really virtually real? Do you want entertainment to be indistinguishable from reality? What *is* reality? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Rodents make human sperm. (BBC) Researchers in Japan claim to have made rats and mice produce human sperm. Can the sperm can fertilize human eggs? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_271000/271446.stm # Also: Are you a man or a mouse? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_51000/51547.stm # Chemical tricksters may revolutionise contraception http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_259000/259078.stm # Sperm treatment trial urged http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_257000/257392.stm # Genetic concerns over fertility treatment http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_235000/235419.stm # Controversy over fertility wonder technique http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_235000/235545.stm : Would you want a mouse for a father? Are there certain advantages? Would a mouse-father spank, cheat, drink, gamble, nurture, bond, take out the trash? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ INDIA REPORTEDLY GIVES SALMAN RUSHDIE A VISA. India, the first country to ban the controversial book "The Satanic Verses," has reportedly granted a visa to author Salman Rushdie for the first time since the 1980s. India, Rushdie's birthplace, banned "The Satanic Verses" after it provoked angry protests from Muslims in 1988. Rushdie wouldn't rewrite history - see http://cnn.com/books/news/9902/04/rushdie.01/ *** Slain gay student's parents comment. CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) The parents of Matthew Shepard, the gay college student beaten to death last October, say they don't want his death used by activists to further any political agenda. "It's a very frightening concept as a parent that your son now becomes a martyr, a public figure for the world. "He's just our son." See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558317960-611 : Does your religious/political/economic/ethical system promote censorship, assassination, intolerance? Do all or most such systems act thusly? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Spicy Links: @ The Satanic Army: http://www.ultinet.net/~harwer/religion.htm @ INTERNATIONAL GHOST HUNTERS SOCIETY: http://www.ghostweb.com @ AMERICAN GHOST SOCIETY: http://www.prairieghosts.com @ PSYCHIC FEDERATION: www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8097/index.html @ Patterson Sasquatch Film: http://come.to/pattersonfilm @ Mystery aircraft:
Re: [CTRL] Anyone Know Latin?
-Caveat Lector- A guy I know from bbs.sfbg.com says: I'd say, "Respondeant ipsi equites". Others might tweak the word order. Thanks for asking!! Hey, any suggestions on how to find out about the activities of a Military Advisory Group in Bangkok in 1958, running CIA-directed missions into Laos and Burma? May not have actually existed. May have asked you about this before, in which case, ignore. Hope your listmate likes his answer. Why in heaven did he need it? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SKYWRITING FOR THE SENATE TOMORROW !!
-Caveat Lector- SKYWRITING FOR THE SENATE TOMORROW !! -- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TOMORROW.,..FRIDAYFEBRUARY 5, 1999.WASHINGTON, DC POINT YOUR CAMERAS UPWARD AT 9:00 AM. THERE WILL BE A MESSAGE TO THE CONGRESS.WRITTEN IN THE SKY! THIS IS GOD CONVICT + REMOVE OR ELSE Donations for this skywriting event as well as for two Superbowl banner planes were raised in a matter of days from partiscipants on the noted Internet political web site, FreeRepublic.com. Members of the site, with screen names like "Seeking the Truth", "Thomas Paine", "Clinton's a Liar" and "Ayn Rand", comment on current events, news columns, and articles. The organizer of this event, Gene McDonald, a Boca Raton, FL resident, states, "This is truely a grass roots response. The people sending their contributions are informed and aware of the felonies that have been committed by Clinton and they want the Senate to uphold the Constitution and remove him from office." He has received hundreds of donations ranging from $ 3.00 to $ 201.00 in addition to thousands of emails and letters with suggested messages to put on the banner and skywriting planes. CONTACT PERSON: Gene McDonald 561-392-0342 [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**
-Caveat Lector- Ed, I think you were too busy nailing together your soapbox to pay attention to what I wrote and you missed my point entirely. I agree that you have the right to do whatever you want to your body, and nowhere in my post did I challenge that. The issue I was raising was that once you get behind the wheel of a car, you have now brought people into the equation who did not ask to be a part of your choices or actions. That's when it becomes less an issue of freedom than an issue of public safety, something that should be monitored and protected. I never EVER said that the government could or should be able to dictate what we as individuals choose to do or not do. And I think if you had actually read and comprehended what I said, instead of seeing it as a means for you to drape yourself in the American flag shout about how the government is seeking to control you, you would have seen that for yourself. In the future, perhaps it is you who should apply a little common sense. JB -Original Message- From: Ed Moore [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS** -Caveat Lector- If I want to go to the hardware store, pick up a can of gold spray paint, bring it home and spray it into a bag and inhale..THAT'S MY RIGHT!!! I would be incredibly stupid, but it's still my right to do to my body what I want to do. If I get all screwed up on paint fumes and get into a car..my rights end because my "choice" would jeopardize other innocent people. Do you understand about "freedom of choice"? People have to and should be held accountable for their own actions if their actions interfere with other people's rights, privacy and lifestyles. If my actions don't effect anyone but myself, and I practice my choices in the privacy of my own home, then nobody, especially the hypocritical government, has any right to tell me what I can and cannot do to my own body...PERIOD! The War on Drugs is about MONEY and CONTROL!!! Alcohol, Pharmaceutical Poison and Tobacco are alright but smoking a dried out plant isn't? The War on Drugs is a fraud and people are finally seeing that by the results of the Medical Marijuana initiatives. Use common sense and see this issue for what it is and support freedom of choice! -Original Message- From: Brown, Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS -Caveat Lector- I have to jump on this one here. I think that punishing someone for the potential to do wrong, in a case such as this, IS the right thing to do. You mentioned that you may go out and kill someone because you feel like it (hypothetically, of course). I think, based on that rationale, that you should be restrained. If a person displays homicidal tendencies, as well as an inability to understand the ramifications of their actions, then they should indeed be kept under some sort of lock and key. If you drink, your judgement is impaired, right? You are no longer able to understand or fully comprehend your actions or the consequences thereof. You get behind the wheel of a car, a very dangerous piece of machinery, and you are running the very high risk of killing or hurting yourself and (worse) other people. You wouldn't let a crazy person walk through a shopping mall with a loaded pistol, correct? Yet, we see nothing wrong with letting hundreds of weekend warriors out and about with their mental faculties no less hampered with a far more dangerous and destructive piece of equipment at their fingertips. Drunk drivers are a danger and a menace. If we could nip the problem at its source, perhaps alot of lives that have already been lost (a very good friend of mine's among them), could have been spared. -Original Message- From: Teo One Thousand [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS -Caveat Lector- It is hard to follow your schizophrenic posts, with talk back and forth on the issue, but I will respond thus. Driving while intoxicated is a choice you make, there are consequences for that choice, that you MAY hurt someone. I may go out and kill someone today just cause I feel like it, does that mean I should be restrained in my house simply for that reason? I am not defending ones right to drive drunk, because I don't want to be killed by a drunk driver any more than you do, but it is still a penalizing of POTENTIAL wrong which is nowhere supported in our system of law. Drugs have been assailed for years at a tremendous cost and what do we have now, more people on drugs and a worse situation. At the least stop the insanity of a huge military expenditure (against the Posse Comitatus anyway)
Re: [CTRL] Anyone Know Latin?
-Caveat Lector- Respondient ipse "equites"... May mean "Repond as if equals." I don't think the equites is correct but apparently means equals. Sounds like a legal term. ME On Thursday, February 04, 1999 10:30 AM, nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- A guy I know from bbs.sfbg.com says: I'd say, "Respondeant ipsi equites". Others might tweak the word order. Thanks for asking!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AGREEMENT REACHED TO PERMIT CROSS-MONITORING OF CITIZENS:
-Caveat Lector- AGREEMENT REACHED TO PERMIT CROSS-MONITORING OF CITIZENS: EU Plan to Open Telecoms Comes Under Attack - The European Union is laying the foundation for an agreement that will allow law enforcement officials to eavesdrop on Internet, fax and mobile phone conversations and will force the communications providers to foot the bill. . . . . The plan, known as Enfopol 98, was tabled behind closed doors by the European Justice and Home Affairs Council in December. Its purpose is to combat serious crime, such as drug trafficking, child abuse and terrorism. . . . . But it has been criticised by the Green Party MEP, Ms Patricia McKenna, for what she described as its "unacceptable" secrecy. . . . . there is no clear definition of what constitutes a serious crime, and that law enforcement officials do not have to obtain a court order before an interception. . . . . Enfopol will enable police to track and record email and mobile phone calls across international boundaries. . . . . Internet service providers must provide police forces with access to their computer systems so that they can track email traffic. . . . . The agreement also includes a memorandum of understanding between Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Norway. So law enforcement officials from any of these states can eavesdrop on each other's citizens. . . . . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Brazil, IMF in no rush to make next move
-Caveat Lector- Brazil, IMF in no rush to make next move After extending talks for a day, an IMF official split, leaving others to seal new financial targets for 2nd loan to Brazil. BY MARY MILLIKEN REUTERS SAO PAULO -- Brazil and the International Monetary Fund are sending signals that neither side wants to rush a fresh accord to restore stability after the tumultuous devaluation. Stanley Fischer, the IMF's first deputy managing director, left Brazil Thursday night, one day later than originally planned, after a fifth day of talks with Brazilian officials. But news of more money to stave off an economic collapse may not come for another week or more. The rest of the IMF mission will continue meeting with Brazil's economic team until the end of next week to seal new financial targets before the Latin American nation can draw a second $9 billion installment of a $41.5 billion credit line. They must also devise a system to intervene in the currency market and parameters for interest rates after Brazil was forced by the market to float its currency three weeks ago. "The work is naturally difficult because of the complexity of the Brazilian economy, the variables that have to be analyzed," IMF spokesman Francisco Baker told reporters Wednesday. President Fernando Henrique Cardoso said Wednesday after meeting with the IMF team that talks were progressing but it was not crucial that the IMF speed up the second disbursement. Mr. Fischer remained silent since arriving Monday night and was not expected to make any announcement before his departure. Brazil's leading financial daily Gazeta Mercantil reported that talks were strained by IMF demands that Brazil make more spending cuts and tax increases to offset the increase in debt with the devaluation and higher interest rates. The IMF had assembled the credit line with leading industrial countries in exchange for a three-year fiscal austerity plan to more than halve the budget deficit of 8% of gross domestic product. The prickly Congress has already approved spending cuts of 8.7 billion reals for 1999 and controversial tax increases. According to Gazeta, the government does not think it can ask Congress for more. The IMF is expected to recommend that Brazil maintain high interest rates as an essential way to restore confidence in its economy, the world's eighth- largest. But that policy is finding resistance in Brazil because of the burden it puts on debt servicing and an economy already headed for a contraction of around 5% this year. "With the size of the domestic debt and the uncertainties that exist in the international markets about moratorium risk, sky-high rates would only serve to increase insecurity rather than provide a solution," said influential economic commentator Celso Pinto in Wednesday's Folha de S. Paulo newspaper. Brazil has raised interest rates several times since it devalued the real in the middle of last month. The central bank held rates at 39% on Wednesday, up from 30% before the devaluation. O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper said in its top editorial Thursday that a fresh injection of IMF cash would allow the government to "finance in better conditions, exchanging expensive loans in reals for cheaper credits in dollars." "This highlights the importance of the release of resources in the IMF- coordinated program," Estado added. Smoother market conditions and an economic team refreshed with the appointment of new central bank chief Arminio Fraga Tuesday may give the negotiators extra time. Analysts said any signs of moves to curb currency volatility would help. "The possibility of central bank intervention in the forex market should result in stability or some further strengthening in the real in the short term," said Joseph Petry, chief economist for Latin America at Salomon Smith Barney, in a report. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**
-Caveat Lector- MJ, I admit I'm quite puzzled by your post. You say that I'm afraid of freedom, however you have produced nothing to support that claim. What I am afraid of is that more people, like my friend, will die because we all sit by plucking daisies and turning our heads to something we can work together to prevent. Also, you have said that a potential is not a crime. You're right, but..(this may shock you)...DRUNK DRIVING IS It's illegal! You can't even have an open container in the car with you. That's the issue. And, again, I'll try and explain it to you in simple terms. I agree that if what you do does not harm anyone but yourself, by all means do it until you drop dead. That was not what I am saying. I'm saying that when your actions have negative impacts on those around you it becomes a problem. So please, everybody...stop thinking that I'm challenging freedom. I'm not! I'm only saying that there have been far to many good people cut down by drunk drivers. Something needs to be done. And, MJ, for you to even use the term "discrimination" in the same sentence as drunk driving is downright offensive. Jeremy -Original Message- From: M. A. Johnson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS** -Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: The issue I was raising was that once you get behind the wheel of a car, you have now brought people into the equation who did not ask to be a part of your choices or actions. MJ: When ANYONE gets in a car they *COULD* kill others -- whether they are drunk, drugged, LACK ABILITY, EXHAUSTED or otherwise. A potential is NOT a crime. Why the FEAR of freedom? Brown, Jeremy wrote: I never EVER said that the government could or should be able to dictate what we as individuals choose to do or not do. MJ: You JUST did above by supporting 'drunk driving' discrimination. ANY crime which does NOT involve the violation of another's property *IS* merely an exercise in control, serves to provide legislated advantage to one or more persons and/or a revenue source for the State. Regard$, --MJ Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. -- G. K. Chesterton Government has no other end but the preservation of Property. -- John Locke DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS
-Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: The point I am trying (in vain, it would appear) to make is that there are people in the world who think nothing of starting the day by smoking a rock of crack and then driving a school bus. MJ: How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. Regard$, --MJ Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has refused]
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have an interesting question regarding this issue, that might explain the military's reasoning on it. I don't necessarily support this view but put it out there for thought. In WAR TIME a commanding officer has the right, indeed duty to order his men to do dangerous things that may get the me killed, he may even have to order them to do something that will virtually certainly get them killed. Therefore a soldier has no right to go against this since it undermines the command and nature of armed conflict. That might explain the rationale of an army who wants to court-martial men who refuse thus, BUT we are not at war (or maybe we are and it is just unacknowledged) we are in PEACETIME, thus the need for orders that are life threatening is not apparent, so why would someone be compelled to take this vaccine? Teo1000 The oath you take when you join the armed services makes no distinction between peace and war. It simply states (I'm paraphrasing here, does anyone have the exact wording?) "...I will faithfully obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me..." IOW, you are bound to obey any legal order of a superior officer. Refusal to obey a direct order--such as the order to get the anthrax vaccine--is, bluntly, insubordination, and clearly violates the Universal Code of Military Justice. If you refuse to be vaccinated, you have to expect to be court-martialed. With that said, I have to point out that the dictates of conscience may indeed lead you to disobey an order. This brings about a very tricky situation under the U.S. Constitution: on the one hand, you are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; on the other hand, you are sworn to obey any lawful command of a superior officer; on the third hand (it's getting complex here, folks), your right as a United States citizen to hold controversial views *and act on the basis of those views* is protected by the very Constitution you are sworn to protect. It's a Catch-22 if I ever saw one. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**
-Caveat Lector- Jeremy Brown: You say that I'm afraid of freedom, however you have produced nothing to support that claim. MJ: Criminalizing driving while drunk infringes upon one's freedom to do such. While it may not be SMART to participate in such an action, if *I* were to become 'shit-faced' and drive home without incident and keeping it between the lines ... HOW have *I* infringed upon *YOUR* property (life and its corolaries)? Again, why are you afraid of freedom? Jeremy Brown: What I am afraid of is that more people, like my friend, will die because we all sit by plucking daisies and turning our heads to something we can work together to prevent. MJ: 'Drunk driving' has been criminalized for many years. Has it prevented people from their own stupidity? What of those people who lack the ability to have a license (or their abilities have deteriorated) -- why do we not FINE them or criminalize THEIR actions? What of those exhausted persons who exhibit LIKE characteristics of SOME intoxicated drivers? Jeremy Brown: Also, you have said that a potential is not a crime. You're right, but..(this may shock you)...DRUNK DRIVING IS It's illegal! MJ: So are many items which should NOT. Drunk driving like many 'crimes' serve to raise revenue for the State. What is your point. Jeremy Brown: You can't even have an open container in the car with you. That's the issue. And, again, I'll try and explain it to you in simple terms. I agree that if what you do does not harm anyone but yourself, by all means do it until you drop dead. That was not what I am saying. I'm saying that when your actions have negative impacts on those around you it becomes a problem. MJ: ALL of your actions could be construed to impact those around you. Should we do as Frosty and all live in his Authoritarian padded world where we might be able to breathe without instruction from another? Jeremy Brown: So please, everybody...stop thinking that I'm challenging freedom. I'm not! MJ: But you most certainly ARE. *You* believe drunk driving is wrong ... so you seek the Government's legalized use of FORCE to penalize others who seek the Freedom to decide for themselves. Jeremy Brown: I'm only saying that there have been far to many good people cut down by drunk drivers. Something needs to be done. MJ: Why not simply EXECUTE those persons who 'kill' other persons? Jeremy Brown: And, MJ, for you to even use the term "discrimination" in the same sentence as drunk driving is downright offensive. MJ: The FACT that Joe would be fined for 'blowing a 1.0 BAL' if stopped in a road block where Stan would be allowed to go through (even though he had not slept in 72 hours) is discriminatory. This is based upon arbitrary whim and NOT on ability or lack therof. That you refuse to see this reality is another matter. Regard$, --MJ Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you are willing to give it to others. -- William Allen White October 24, 1940 We see that as soon as we surrender the principle that the state should not interfere in any question touching on the individual's mode of life, we end by regulating and restricting the latter down to the smallest detail. The personal freedom of the individual is abrogated. He becomes a slave of the community, bound to obey the dictates of the majority. It is hardly necessary to expatiate on the ways in which such power could be abused by malevolent persons in authority. The wielding of powers of this kind even by men imbued with the best of intentions must needs reduce the world to a graveyard of the spirit. -- Ludwig von Mises, "Liberalism: The Classical Tradition" (The Foundation for Economic Education, Inc., 1995), p.54 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Clinton's Snoops Spies
http://www.insightmag.com Snoops and Spies By Timothy W. Maier The newest twist in the privacy wars: A federal regulatory proposal would bring Big Brother to your bank, where he'd be counting more than just your pennies the squirming beneath the microscope? George Orwell had it right in his dystopia novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, but he missed it by a decade. Big Brother wants bankers to create a dossier on every account holder. And a federal regulatory proposal dubbed "Know Your Customer" could do just that by turning bank tellers into snoops. If it sounds like something out of the X-Files, it isn't. Look for it at a bank near you. Welcome to the Orwellian dawn of the 21st century, where the lost age of Aquarius has become the new age of surveillance, bolstered by electronic cascades of personal information that are ever more readily accessible. Both liberals and conservatives increasingly are concerned about a society they fear is all too willing to surrender another layer of privacy in exchange for a false sense of security. Across the nation -- in Maryland, for instance -- camera cops are replacing the squad car. In New York, witnesses are frisked like suspects as part of a crackdown on violent crime. In New Jersey, critics charge that "Megan's Law," which requires child sex offenders to register with the local cops, turns neighbors into spies and vigilantes. In Chicago, U.S. Customs agents routinely strip search and probe body cavities of black females traveling internationally if authorities believe they fit a certain profile. Not personal enough? Ask your local motor-vehicle administration if they are selling your driver's-license photograph and personal data. Do you live in South Carolina or Florida? The authorities there have sold some 17 million such photographs to a New Hampshire company, claiming to be building a national database to identify theft. On Capitol Hill, medical-identity cards and even universal identity cards top political agendas, while the Federal Communications Commission hopes to turn your wireless telephone into a personal tracking device so the government can keep tabs on you -- for your own good, of course. And personal computers built by Intel Corp. were to contain silicon chips allegedly to protect electronic transactions but, as it happens, also to let marketers track consumers' every move in cyberspace. So it should come as no surprise that your trusted banker has been enlisted by Big Brother to help him watch every financial move you make. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., or FDIC, the Federal Reserve System, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision are frighteningly vague about how your banker should implement the program. However, the rule published Dec. 7, Pearl Harbor Day, in the Federal Register calls for uniform banking procedures to identify customers, establish their sources of money, note their "normal and expected transactions," watch for transactions that are inconsistent with the customer's "normal and expected transactions," report any transactions that are determined to be suspicious and place limitations on amounts that can be withdrawn at any one time. The regulators say Know Your Customer snooping is for your own good. The banks say hold it, they don't like it. It's costly and burdensome and an invasion of privacy, says John Byrne, senior counsel and compliance manager for the Washington-based American Banker's Association, or ABA. Byrne says it's not fair that banks are required to do this while broker dealers, insurance agencies and security dealers don't operate under the same requirement. He sees it as a substantial cost to community banks, which would be required to purchase hardware and software programs to conduct all of the spying. "We are concerned about the language of the proposal," Byrne says. "It's an intrusive requirement that banks are going to profile customers." Why should bankers be turned into federal snoops? The proposal is supposed to attack money-laundering techniques employed by drug traffickers and other criminals who hide illegal profits. Such methods include wire transfers, bank drafts and "smurfing," the practice of cutting transactions into lesser amounts that don't have to be reported as suspicious under the $10,000 bank-reporting laws established under President Reagan. Insight spoke with Richard Small, assistant director at the Federal Reserve and author of the proposed regulation. He says it won't be as costly as many bankers believe. Take that small bank in Kansas, he says. "They know everyone. They know the person. They may not have to tell them to show a driver's license. They aren't going to have to buy a new computer or software. We just want them to formalize their policy." Small says most banks already have Know Your Customer programs in place. In fact, a 1990 ABA survey claimed that 86 percent of the ABA's membership already employed such policies.
Re: [CTRL] Anyone Know Latin?
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On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, nessie wrote:
A guy I know from bbs.sfbg.com says:
I'd say, "Respondeant ipsi equites". Others might tweak the word order.
Thanks for asking!!
Yes, that's much better. Thanks.
Hope your listmate likes his answer. Why in heaven did he need it?
It's from "Knights of the Roundtable" in CNNS 2/3/99, where the
philosopher advises to "Let the knights themselves make answer."
It seemed like such good advice that I decided I'd codify it
into a basic principle (something handy to respond to critics.)
e.g. typical critic: "And what about this? And how about that?"
CNNS: "Respondeant ipsi equites." (Let the knights themselves
make answer.)
Here's the original article (attached) which has at the close
the philosophers good advice.
CONSPIRACY NATION ACCUSED OF CONSPIRACY!
(CNNS, 02/03/99) -- In a stunning development, a person or group
of persons connected with a "Round Table" has promoted the
accusation that this news service may itself be part of a
conspiracy.
The keen eyes of the Round Table penetrated beyond what had been
covered in the CNNS press release dated Feb. 2, 1999 ("Parallel
Universe Entered"), and focused their attention instead on what
had =not= been covered. By use of this "negative template"
method, the Knights of the Round Table uncovered missing facts
which have raised serious questions in some quarters.
The "negative template" method has previously been used by at
least one other researcher: Peter Dale Scott, in his excellent
book, "Deep Politics And The Death Of JFK." In that book,
Professor Scott (U of C, Berkeley) gives an example on how names
missing from a Justice Department list piqued his awareness:
"...for a name to be missing from the Justice Department list was
itself a lead, fallible to be sure, that the [missing] name might
turn out to be that of a significant figure..." [*Deep Politics
and the Death of JFK*. Berkeley: University of California
Press, 1993. ISBN: 0-520-08410-1.]
Yes, the Round Table Knights admit, the CNNS report, "Parallel
Universe Entered," does mention names such as Gary Sick, Jimmy
Carter, Sidney Blumenthal, and Vernon Jordan. But, note the
Knights piercingly, the CNNS article FAILS TO MENTION that "all
are Council on Foreign Relations members."
And the Knights wonder: Why has CNNS neglected to mention the
possibility that the ongoing scandal dramas in Washington, DC may
have been sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations?
"When a group called Conspiracy Nation prints conspiracy articles
that make no mention or connection to the group sponsoring the
conspiracy the conclusion may be that Conspiracy Nation is
helping with the conspiracy," suggest the Knights. And they
conclude ominously that "Conspiracy Nation [may] be a CFR/CIA
operation to find people 'interested' in conspiracy theory so
that they can neutralize their efforts."
Stunned by the cynical perceptiveness of the Round Table, which
rivals and out-distances our own, this news service needed some
good advice.We therefore turned to three unemployed
philosophers of our acquaintance: Glaucon, Polemarchus, and
Thrasymachus.
CNNS: These "Round Table" people, whoever they are (I call them
the Knights of the Round Table), are saying that since I left out
certain details in a previous press release, that that means
something. It's like they've used Professor Scott's "negative
template" method and have discovered some clues with it. I turn
to you, wise ones, for your thoughts.
GLAUCON: It is most pleasing to see you again, Friend Brian,
even though the season is cold.
CNNS: But why call me "Friend Brian"? Could not the Knights
deduce from that, "He really means *Comrade* Brian. (And note
that his e-mail begins 'Big Red.')"
POLEMARCHUS: True. But by the Negative Template, this rather
means (since it is stated openly) that such cannot be the case.
THRASYMACHUS: But is the pointing out by Friend Brian of the
Friend/Comrade parallel a clever ruse, since it is he himself who
first notices the connection? Has he introduced it so as to
mis-lead even the wise?
GLAUCON: These thoughts are deep, and go in circles. Let us
rather deduce from what we know. For the Knights of the Round
Table are written on in many tales.
THRASYMACHUS: Around the year 500 A.D., German tribes, the
Angles and the Saxons, conquered the Britons. Many of the
Britons were slaughtered. But some of the Britons escaped to the
mountainous country of Wales. Then arose a mighty King, in South
Wales, by name of ARTHUR. In twelve battles, King Arthur
defeated the Angles and the Saxons. It was King Arthur who had a
special group of Knights, who sat at a Round Table. These were
called Knights of the Round Table.
POLEMARCHUS: But since
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Anyone Know Latin?]
-Caveat Lector- Michael Estes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Respondient ipse "equites"... May mean "Repond as if equals." I don't think the equites is correct but apparently means equals. Sounds like a legal term. Michael, here's the exact translation from the online Latin dictionary I checked (http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/): eques -itis m. [a horseman , rider, cavalryman]; polit., equites, [the knights, order between senate and plebs]; also collectively in sing. The *equites* were the "second order" of Roman society, and correspond very closely to "knights" in the sense Brian is using the word. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anyone Know Latin?
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Michael Estes wrote: -Caveat Lector- Respondient ipse "equites"... May mean "Repond as if equals." I don't think the equites is correct but apparently means equals. Sounds like a legal term. I also wondered about how the "t" crept in, to "eques". My Latin dictionary has "eques" as "knight." But "eques" is singular. When you want "knights" plural, the declension adds a "t." eques, itis (m and f): 1. Horseman, rider. 2. knight; equestrian order. [Langenscheidt Pocket Latin Dictionary] For "equal" my dictionary has "aequum," so I think he's right that "Respondeant ipsi equites" means "Let the knights themselves make answer." Brian Redman Editor, CNNS DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The 'responsibility era' - Texas Gov. George W. Bush talks:
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/01-30-99/national_2.asp A HREF="http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/01-30-99/national_2.asp"WORLD Jan. 30, 1999: The 'responsibility era'/A - NATIONAL The 'responsibility era' Undeclared GOP presidential frontrunner, Texas Gov. George Bush, talks about his cultural plan of attack By Cal Thomas On the eve of his inauguration for a second term as governor of Texas-which few people believe he will complete-George W. Bush spent an hour with me expounding on things one might expect from someone about to run for president. "We live in a cynical time," said the governor. "Underneath the polls and focus groups, people have a sense of embarrassment over the behavior of the president, regardless of their political party." Still, he would "advise whoever the Republican candidate for president is to talk about the future and not remind Americans about how embarrassed they have been. I think one ought to say, 'I'm going to conduct myself in office in a way that will make you proud' and then go on and talk about what you intend to do." He talked about some of the things he would do. Social issues: "I think the major social issue facing America is to change the culture from one that has said 'if it feels good, do it,' to one I call the 'responsibility era.' This means each person has to be responsible for loving your family, for your own decisions and actions, and for loving your neighbor as yourself." He added that changing welfare means not only providing less government assistance but also more help from "an army of compassion" (his version of his father's "points of light"). Abortion: "Part of our responsibility era understands the value of life. I would hope the next leader would lead America to respect life at all levels, including life of the unborn." Gov. Bush said for the Supreme Court he would pick "people who interpret the law as opposed to writing the law. Those are the types I've named to the bench in Texas. They are not judicial activists but judicial scholars." On his personal life: "While 20-30 years ago I was young and irresponsible on occasion, the question that must be asked of anybody who is going to be in a position of responsibility is, 'Have you learned your lesson?'-not whether you made mistakes. Have you grown up? Are you prepared to assume the responsibilities of whatever it may be-fatherhood, husband, governor of Texas? And the answer to that is, yes, in my case." On taxes: Gov. Bush, who has cut taxes in Texas, said he's learned a lesson from his father not to make categorical promises (the famous "read my lips, no new taxes" speech). "One's credibility is paramount to being a leader." He stated government doesn't need more money in times of peace. "A tax cut makes sense," Gov. Bush said, "to keep the economy going." He fears an economic slowdown because of the Federal Reserve's "stretching fiscal policy by lowering [interest] rates to the point where there may not be enough incentive for consumption." On school choice: He favors it for all schools, public, private, and religious, "because school choice will make all schools better." On the presidency: In a clear contrast to President Clinton, Gov. Bush said, "I didn't grow up wanting to be president. When I was 14 or 15 years old, I wasn't trying to position myself to be president. I wasn't that way when I was 21, or 31, or 41. I am struggling with this decision because I understand duty, but I also understand what it means to family. I don't wake up in the morning just dying to be president. I'm as surprised as anybody about the polls and the speculation. I never ran for governor to be president, but to be the best governor of Texas I could be." Gov. Bush told me he will decide something-at minimum an exploratory committee-when the Texas legislature adjourns in June. Meanwhile, people like former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney and former Secretary of State George Shultz have paid visits to help him get ready. He used the word "crusade" to describe what he thinks is needed to transform the country. And he said if he does run he will do so in every primary state. He also mentioned "vision," a word disparaged by his father. Gov. Bush said he has one, and it's about bringing people together (he got 49 percent of the Hispanic vote and a respectable number of black votes) because "I went after them and showed them I care about them and their issues." If he runs, he said he won't decide based on polls: "I've taken only one poll as governor on my reelection. I've never taken a poll on what I believe or to figure out how to position myself on issues. I just know. How do you know to get married? You just know. I'll know. I've never done this before, but I'll know." -© 1999, Los Angeles Times Syndicate - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ==
[CTRL] OEN 2/4/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Impeached POTUS A Clinton Story Too Hot to Handle The rape of Juanita Broaddrick The White House tried to pressure the Fox News Channel not to broadcast a story about a woman who claims President Clinton raped her 21 years ago and then coerced her into denying it under oath, network sources said yesterday. White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart on Tuesday warned a Fox White House correspondent not to run the story, noting that NBC News had interviewed the woman in Arkansas and had not put the story on the air. Fox ran the story anyway, and Internet scribe Matt Drudge yesterday published Mr. Lockhart's unheeded words of warning, which the White House did not categorically deny, but said were off the record. Asked yesterday about pressuring the cable news network, Mr. Lockhart said: "I'm just not going to discuss the private conversations I have, even if others can't keep them private." Mr. Drudge quoted Mr. Lockhart as telling Fox: "You guys will regret this. Clinton haters have been putting this story out for a decade now, as far back as the '92 campaign." According to the Drudge Report on the Internet, Mr. Lockhart went on to warn the correspondent: "If you go with the story after NBC News decided not to, there won't be any argument about whether Fox News is right wing or not." James Kennedy, spokesman for the White House Counsel's Office, later called Fox to argue that Mr. Lockhart's phone call had been off the record, Mr. Drudge said. The network aired the story without using Mr. Lockhart's quotes. Persons close to the network said Mr. Drudge extracted the Lockhart quotes from the network's computer system, but another person close to Mr. Drudge said this was not so, that he obtained the quotes by talking with "real live sources." In any event, persons at the network confirmed the accuracy of the quotes to The Washington Times yesterday. The use of the quotes irked some Fox journalists, who intended to honor the White House off-the-record request. Mr. Drudge declined comment. Mr. Lockhart was asked by Bill Sammon of The Washington Times yesterday at his regular White House briefing whether such pressure was heavy-handed spin control or appropriate behavior for the White House press secretary. "If this is your way, your side way, to get into writing the story, go ahead and write the story," Mr. Lockhart said. "I'm not going to help you. You've already written it." Helen Thomas of UPI then asked: "Did you pressure a network?" Mr. Lockhart replied: "If any of you think I'm in a position to pressure anyone, you give me more power than you think I have." Bill Plante of CBS joined in the questioning: "Did you make the call, as has been reported?" Mr. Lockhart replied: "I'm just not going to discuss the private conversations I have, even if others can't keep them private." While persons close to Fox confirmed that the White House tried to spike their story, others close to NBC insisted yesterday no such pressure had been brought to bear by the White House. That has been the subject of intense speculation in Washington for nearly a week. Some NBC correspondents said the story, based on correspondent Lisa Myers' lengthy interview last month with the woman in question, Juanita Broaddrick, is still being corroborated and might well be broadcast. They contradicted Mr. Drudge's assertion that the story had been spiked. Mrs. Broaddrick's attorney, William P. Walters of Greenwood, Ark., yesterday confirmed to The Washington Times that his client broke her self-imposed press silence two weeks ago to tell her story on camera to NBC. "They have not elected to run it as of yet," said Mr. Walters, who said Mrs. Broaddrick was not paid for the interview. "We do not know if they will run it." FBI agents working for independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr visited Mrs. Broaddrick in Arkansas in April to ask her about the incident, which is said to have occurred when Mr. Clinton was the Arkansas attorney general. Two investigators for the House Judiciary Committee impeachment inquiry recently questioned Mrs. Broaddrick, who is referred to in legal documents as "Jane Doe No. 5." At issue is her claim that Mr. Clinton raped her in 1978. Her vivid descriptions of a violent sexual assault were corroborated by a nurse who said Mrs. Broaddrick told her during treatment that she was injured by sexual intercourse with Mr. Clinton "against her will." Mrs. Broaddrick was portrayed as the victim of a "brutal rape" in a letter subpoenaed almost a year ago by Mr. Starr. That October 1992 letter, written to Mrs. Broaddrick by a friend named Phillip D. Yoakum of Fayetteville, Ark., recalled unsuccessful efforts by himself and Sheffield Nelson of Little Rock, a Republican candidate for governor of Arkansas in 1992, to persuade her to go public with "how you resisted until he ripped your
[CTRL] Sex In Manga
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http://www.studioproteus.com/mangasex.html
A HREF="http://www.studioproteus.com/mangasex.html"Sex In Manga/A
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This is the infamous article I wrote on Sex in Manga for the Comics
Journal many years ago, and recently updated for one of the final issues
of the old Manga Mania. That issue of the Journal has been sold out for
years, and Manga Mania is essentially unavailable outside of the U.K.,
so I thought I'd reprint the article here.
--Toren
Sex in Japanese comics certainly began in the 1700's, with the
popularity of shunga, erotic woodblock prints produced in large numbers
for the next two hundred years. These prints were unabashedly graphic,
with the bodies of the people involved often being reduced to little
more than attachment points for the enormous genitalia. During the Meiji
Restoration period in Japan, shunga were frowned upon by the
authorities, who were anxious that Japan put on a "civilized" face
during its re-entry into the modern world. The regimes leading up to the
second world war were no more liberal, and it wasn't really until after
the Occupation was over that eroticism began creeping back into Japanese
art.
Japanese comics did not seriously begin exploring erotic themes until
the sixties, with the collapse of the pay-library system (largely
brought about by the unexpected success of cheap comic magazines such as
Kodansha Publishing's Shonen Magazine). Artists working for the
pay-library system had already pioneered the depiction of graphic
violence, and had proudly declared that they were drawing gekiga ("drama
pictures"), not mere comics. In the search for realism (and readers), it
was inevitable that sex would soon make an appearance.
As the Japanese comics market diversified, sex spread beyond the gekiga
to just about every conceivable niche in the marketplace. The gekiga
continued their realistic and often violent depictions, but the other
major divisions in the manga world developed their own approach. Boy's
comics began to explore "cute" sex, mainly consisting of panchira
("panty shots") and girls in showers. Girls comics were more coy, with
little nudity, and the actual act depicted with such romantic restraint
as to be almost undetectable. Ladies comics were a little more bold, but
still emphasized romance over all else. Comics for women also featured
many homosexual love stories, which remain popular even today. Comics
dedicated to eroticism inevitably appeared, and in most of these, plot
and storytelling ran a distant second to the depiction of every sex act
you could imagine (and some you probably couldn't).
In order to understand why sex in manga is depicted as it is, one must
examine the laws and cultural background. Article 175 of the Japanese
Criminal Code provides the backbone of all anti-pornography legislation
in Japan, and has a number of peculiarities. Pubic hair and adult
genitalia cannot be depicted, and touching groins may not be shown.
However, "extremely cartoony" depictions of genitals are allowed,
leaving a very fuzzy loophole in the law. Another surprising aspect of
Article 175 is that children's genitals may be shown, a clause that some
feel has led directly to the interest in child pornography in Japan
(although the law restricts such to "artistic" nude portraits--no males
are allowed in the photograph, and no sexual activity of any kind).
As with anti-pornography laws in the United States, enforcement varies
widely. Each prefecture has its own statutes, and application of them is
often politically motivated. Attacks on pornography move in cycles,
often led by the PTA (surprisingly, more of a force in Japan than in the
United States). The first of such attacks on comics occurred in the
mid-fifties when the Campaign to Banish Bad Reading Matter burned some
comics along with cheap erotic magazines. But, as Frederik Schodt points
out in his superb book Manga! Manga!, "...the children kept reading, the
publishers held tight, and the parents eventually gave up." In 1968, The
PTA again moved to attack comics, goaded into action by Go Nagai's
hilarious sex comedy Harenchi Gakuen ("Shameless School"). Another storm
brewed up in 1979, with the publication of Mitsuo Matsuzawa's The Comics
That Have Ruined Japanese Minds. None of these had much effect, all in
all, and the artists and publishers kept pushing the limits.
However, in 1989 a serial killer named Tsutomu Miyazaki was caught after
raping and dismembering several pre-pubescent girls. The cameras of the
news media dwelt lovingly on his huge collection of comics, animation
and slasher movies, and panic set in in the comics field. However,
attention soon focused mainly on the slasher films, and the bulk of the
heat was applied to them. Comics had been let off the hook, but only
briefly.
In 1990, Isako Nakao, a 50-year old mother of
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 04 Freedom
-Caveat Lector- How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. /// No law stops crime, if so there would be no crime. Law only stops those who fear getting caught. When there is no law, no one needs to fear and what ever act considered will be multiplied many folds. Why the FEAR of freedom? /// What a giggle, now perverts want to use "freedom" as their argument? #1 Freedom is the right assert one's will. #2 When there is a conflict of wills and one group has power to enact their will, then the other group loses their rights. Freedom, liberty, rights .. just pretty words to declare who gets to have their way. When ever there is a conflict of wills, then one segment of society will lose their rights in order that the other segment receive their rights. If perverts get their rights to endanger innocent victims then the innocent segment of society will lose their rights not to live in fear of perverts. If perverts have their rights to sicken/endanger/kill innocent people then innocent people will lose their rights to live. If perverts get their rights to kill innocent people then the families of those victims will lose their freedom not to have to bury their loved ones. If the non wreckless segment of society gets their rights/freedoms then the perverts will lose their rights to intimidate, injure, sicken, kill innocent people and perverts will lose their freedom to make us pay higher taxes to pay for their perverted deeds. You want to talk about freedom rights, fine Either perverts get their freedom/rights at the expense of innocent society or innocent society will get their freedom/rights at the expense of perverts. Let me see do I chose to take away the rights of innocent people to live with out terror, injury, death ... to pay for the deeds of perverts so the perverts can get their cookies off? Duh, what do you think? Perverts don't give a damn about the rights of the innocent segment of society that must pay for their perverted acts but the innocent segment of society must care about the "rights/freedoms" of perverts to get their cookies off? Right on Jethro . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Respondeant Ipsi Equites (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Respondeant Ipsi Equites Let The Knights Themselves Make Answer -- "Let the Knights themselves answer what they say." -- Glaucon, CNNS, 2/3/99 (CNNS, 02/04/99) -- As we await the circle of talk bound to issue from the Round Table Knights, CNNS hesitates to divert to another timely story. Previously, the Knights had crusaded for their cause by issuing a series of rhetorical questions. Mindful of the pre-eminence of the *rhetores* in days of old, would it be disrespectful for this news service to move on to something else, before the Knights had answered? But perhaps the noble Knights of the Round Table are now enjoying some grog, and listening to a tearful ballad, whilst a comely wench serves them their ale. Drink hearty, O Knights! While we await the outcome of their future talk, CNNS begs their indulgence for continuing on. In previous editions of Conspiracy Nation, this news service had reported on a glaring CONFLICT OF INTEREST involving Ken Starr, the independent prosecutor and poster boy for "left-wing" hate. (For the "right-wing", Bill Clinton has replaced the Soviet Evil Empire as hate-magnet; for the "left-wing", Ken Starr fills the gap left by Newt Gingrich.) For example, in Conspiracy Nation (CN) 10.36 (March 22, 1997), "Tom In Venice" (pseudonym) warned that Now we have a "smoking gun." Strategic Investment's report, confirmed by my eastern, Pentagon source, that fingers Starr as the lawyer representingChina International Trust Investment Corporation, as an unregistered lobbyist. Ladies and gentlemen, that is illegal. That is influence peddling. It is no wonder that Starr and his gang have done everything they can to *protect* Clinton, rather than prosecute him. Agreeing with "Tom In Venice" was Sherman Skolnick, who in CN 10.43 also pointed out Starr's conflict of interest: "Starr is a lobbyist for China International Trust and Investment Corp. (CITIC), a ministry level corporation owned by the Chinese government and reporting directly to the State Council of the People's Republic of China," wrote Skolnick. Confirming these reports is a story now appearing at the NewsMax web site. In "Starr's China Connection" (NewsMax, 2/4/99), Jeremy Reynolds writes, in part, that "A Miami attorney is seeking the removal of Kenneth Starr as Independent Counsel because Starr, at the same time he was investigating the Clintons, worked for a company wholly owned by the Chinese government." The China International Trust Investment Corporation, according to Reynolds, is chaired by WANG JUN, and is "considered the financial arm of [Red] China's Peoples Liberation Army." But Wang Jun also heads Poly Group, itself also controlled by Red China's Peoples Liberation Army. Bill Clinton met with Wang Jun, at the White House, and shortly thereafter Poly Group was allowed to import semi-automatic weapons into the United States. Here is a schematic: Red China | People's Liberation Army | Wang Jun | - | | CITIC Poly Group | | Ken Starr Bill Clinton According to the book, "Who's Who Of The Elite" (by Gaylon Ross, Sr. ISBN: 0-9649888-0-1. Published 1995), Ken Starr does not belong to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Bill Clinton, however, is a member not only of the CFR, but also belongs to the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Society -- a triple whammy. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational
[CTRL] The Millennium Report, February 1, 1999: Mystery Contrails and Weather Radar Anomalies over the US, Y2K Upda
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:485458"The Millennium Report, February 1, 1999: Mystery Contrails and Weather Radar Anomalies over the US, Y2K Upda /A - Subject: The Millennium Report, February 1, 1999: Mystery Contrails and Weather Radar Anomalies over the US, Y2K Upda From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson - TMP / CPR-Canada) Date: Wed, Feb 3, 1999 5:52 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Millennium Report, February 1, 1999 Mystery Contrails and Weather Radar Anomalies over the US, Y2K Updates and more! (subsequent posting) _ Welcome to the first edition of The Millennium Report, the news service of The Millennium Project, an independent research organization. TMP is a new research initiative started in January 1999 as an alternative source of news and information to the maintream media. TMP was founded by future studies researcher Paul Anderson, also director of Circles Phenomenon Research Canada. This summarized edition is available free by e-mail and is updated weekly or as breaking news develops; If you do not wish to remain on this mailing list, please send your request and e-mail address to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full reports are available from the TMP web site links listed below. A number of reports here, as we are playing catch-up from the beginning of January. A lot going on (and we still have 11 months to go in '99!), including Y2K updates and links, plus breaking reports on the "mystery contrails" being sprayed over many locations in the US (and reportedly making many people ill; is the US military playing with fire, yet again?) and weather radar anomalies (connection with weather modification or crop circles or just radar glitches?), plus much more (see below)! Strange Days... Best wishes to all of you. Paul Anderson Founder / Director The Millennium Project _ In this update: Breaking News: Y2K Updates, Mystery Contrails, Radar Anomalies Study Finds Evidence of Oldest Fossil Life - 3.7 Billion Years Old Thousands of Blackbirds Dying in Louisiana from Unknown Cause Confirmation: New NBC Documentary to Examine "The Hard Evidence of Aliens Among Us" Mysterious Ancient Circle in Miami Scientists Say Life Possible on Pluto's Moon Charon Astronomers Witness First Live Gamma Ray Burst The Planetary Society Supports Optical SETI New Spacecraft Design Combines Rockets and Helicopters Contrails: Poison from the Sky US Military to "Own the Weather" in 2025 UFO Roundup 4.4, January 25 A Skeptic's View of Contrail Mystery No Meteors Found Yet as Divers Examine Minnesota "Star Holes" Radar Expert Speaks Out on Anomalous Weather Radar Images Transcript of ZDTV Chat with Joe Firmage UFOs - 50 Years of Denial?: New Upcoming Documentary on The Learning Channel New Evidence of Noah's Flood? More Mystery "Star Holes" in Minnesota Odd "Star Hole" in Ice Found in Minnesota: Meteor? 1990 Photo of Prototype UAV Over Groom Lake? UFO Roundup 4.3 , January 18 Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans Mystery Contrails May Be Modifying Weather Mystery Contrails: Secret Military Operation? Jet Contrails May be Sickening People Across the US Arthur C. Clark Warns of Y2K Chaos Unusual New "Emergency Broadcast System" Surprises TV Stations in US The Plan for Massive Military Mobilization: National Guard Exercises Set for May Y2K Test FEMA Urges Local Communities, Emergency Services Sector Public to Get Ready Now for Y2K New Zealand Scientists Discover Planet that May Host Life: First Earth-Sized Planet Reportedly Found Orbiting Another Star Israeli Mid-Air UFO Explosion Analyzed A UFO "Fender Bender" in Chile...Pieces Recovered Missouri 1947 UFO Crash: Controversial New Web Site Offers "Proof" with Debris for Sale Number of Doomsday Groups Increases as Millennium Approaches Government Planning to Protect Earth from Space Creatures: New Plans to Guard Against Contamination from "Alien Microbes" Is Exotic Propulsion Technology Being Tested in Canada'a North?: Triangle Craft Reports from the Yukon Over 100 Snow / Ice Circles in Germany See the following web site links for full reports: Main Web Site: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa The Millennium Report: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa/tmr.html To be added to or removed from this mailing list, send your request and e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups
[CTRL] Walking the Holy Walk
-Caveat Lector- The following item appeared today at NEWSWEEK Online (http://newsweek.com/). WEDNESDAY, February 3, 1999 Walking the Holy Walk Curing lepers or feeding the multitudes with five loaves and two fish may be beyond your capacities, but you may soon be able to walk on water - or at least look as though you are. The Israeli government announced on Monday a plan to construct an underwater bridge in the Sea of Galilee that will let pilgrims follow in the footsteps of Jesus's miraculous sea stroll (Matthew 14:22-33, Mark 6:45-52, John 6:15-21). The 50-person bridge will be 13 ft. wide and 328 ft. long, crescent-shaped and positioned just below the water's surface. The floating bridge will not have guard rails, but lifeguards and rescue boats will be positioned nearby. Contractors should be finished building the structure by August, in time for millennial visits by an expected 4 million Christian tourists. - Sandy Lawrence Edry = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Operation: WATCHTOWER
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - Subject: Re: Operation: WATCHTOWER From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Bartley) Date: Thu, Feb 4, 1999 6:01 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tallyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Operation: WATCHTOWER From: Tallyman Organization: KultKrimeFighters(tm) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:22:07 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc,alt.ANYBO DY! Still trying to find out any and all information possible about a US Govt? Mind Control program deemed -- "Operation: WATCHTOWER" snip Tom the Tallyman Perhaps this will help a bit. Certainly puts McVeigh's claims in letters to his sister (well before OKC) that he was recruited into a domestic black ops unit while in the Special Forces in a more credible light, IMO. See my other post for another article. [Deja News Toolbar] Subject: U.S. Special Forces trainers into Colombia From: "Roy S. Carson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1996/08/05 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: soc.culture.el-salvador [More Headers] [Subscribe to soc.culture.el-salvador] DEATHS AND EVENTS ASSOCIATED WITH WATCH TOWER MISSIONS 1. 1975, month unk. - Col. Bo Baker commands first Watch Tower mission in Colombia. Stated mission objective: To put transponders in place so (U.S. military? CIA? Both?) aircraft can infiltrate equipment, supplies, and U.S. Special Forces trainers into Colombia to train anti-drug and anti-communist paramilitary personnel for war against communist guerrillas and drug lords via radar-null routes. Transponders installed by 7th SFG personnel. 2. December 1975 - Col. Edward P. Cutolo recruited by Edward Wilson to command Watch Tower mission in Colombia. 3. Feb. 1976 - Col. Cutolo commands second Watch Tower mission into Colombia. Mission successful with one non-injury firefight between SF Watch Tower SAT and Colombian military unit reported. Cutolo claims 30 high- performance aircraft arrived at Albrook Air Station, Panama, from Colombia where they were met by Edwin Wilson, Noriega, and other PDF personnel. Cutolo claims cargo from Colombia was cocaine. SF unit involved not specified by probably 7th Gp. 4. March 1976 - Col. Cutolo commands third Watch Tower mission into Colombia. One SAT runs into "bandits" as it exfiltrates. During firefight "several" SF SATs wounded. Extracted by choppers from hot LZ. Cutolo claims 40 high-performance aircraft bring drugs into Panama during this mission. 5. 1978 - date uncertain -- Cutolo takes command of 10th SF Gp, Ft. Devens. Meets two men who were on Watch Tower operations; Sgt. John Newby and SP4 William Tyree. Once Cutolo is in command, instigates cover up to keep Watch Tower ops from becoming known. This is done after Wilson goes to Ft. Devens and (probably) points out Cutolo's ass is on the line if word of these operations gets out. 6. Col. Robert Bayard - Aug 1978?? -- Killed by "hit and run" driver in stolen car shortly after meeting with Michael Harari. Driver never located. (No indication as to what Col. Bayard's role in these events was or what his connection to Harari was.) 7. Sgt. John Newby - October 1978 -- Killed in parachute accident. This is after he begins receiving threatening phone calls. (Reason for these calls not clear but possibly because his ties to Watch Tower.) Accident report coming! 8. 26 Dec 1978 - Cutolo initiates surveillance of Tyree residence after Tyree begins receiving threatening phone calls. 9. 30 Jan 1979 - Tyree's wife knifed to death. Surveillance teams reports SP4 Earl M. Peters the killer and Pvt. Erik Y. Aarhus accomplice. Despite this knowledge, Cutolo allows Tyree to be charged with his wife's murder, convicted, and go to prison, all to protect knowledge of Watch Tower and his current covert surveillance of political and other figures. Cutolo also obtains Elaine Tyree's diaries from police and mails these to "blind" PO box maintained by Edwin Wilson. 10. March 1980 - Cutolo gives original of affidavit to Col. Bo Baker, a certified true copy to CWO Hugh B. Pearce, and a second certified true copy to NSA employee Paul Neri. 11. April or May 1980. Cutolo killed in car accident, England after meeting with Michael Harari. Official explanation: Cutolo, known to have a drinking problem, was dead drunk and drove his car into a tree a high speed. No follow up investigation. 12. 1980 date unk. Col. Baker initiates "quiet" investigation. Brings Col. Nick Rowe and Paul Neri into investigation. 13. Year and month unk. Col. Bo Baker dies while in a German sauna. Bakeer is now assigned to Badtolz. Official cause of death: heart attack despite Baker having no history of heart problems and had just completed an annual physical. 14. Year and date unk. After Baker's death, Col. Rowe and Paul Neri located CWO Hugh B. Pearce who confirmed he had a copy of
Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has refusedanthrax...
-Caveat Lector-
The issue rests with each and every military member being required to be
'ready' at all times. When entering the services, each and every member is
given a battery of shots with scheduled follow-ups as required (e.g.,
annual 'flu shots). Even dependents who are colocated with sponsors
overseas have to have some; I used to get them all (from age 0 {zero} on
up).
When one takes the oath, there is no disctinction between 'peacetime' and
'wartime'. As a matter of fact, just by reading the news, one can readily
see that the military is ALL over the place, more so now than ever before
on temporary assignment (Persian Gulf, Bosnia, et cetera). Additionally,
we have not been 'not at war' since the "Cold War" started (or possibly
since WW2 started; I think there was a couple of years in the latter '40s
when there was a deep drawdown). No one can predict from day to day if one
will be at home for the foreseeable future. Every day brings new and
exciting challenges. This is opposed to the "Cold War" days when the
military was fat and in forward positions in Europe or the Phillipines or
wherever. In any event, the shots are essential to maintain readiness; a
sick soldier, sailor, airman, marine just isn't much use. So as you state:
: In WAR TIME a commanding officer has the right, indeed duty to order his
men
: to do dangerous things that may get the me killed, he may even have to
order
: them to do something that will virtually certainly get them killed.
Therefore
: a soldier has no right to go against this since it undermines the command
and
: nature of armed conflict.
This applies to ALL the TIME.
As far as a breakdown in authority, there have always been certain elements
who have chosen to cross their fingers during the oath, "I'll serve, obey,
go, whatever, except for, when, if ..." These people have been known to
challenge the gay issue (Meinhart {sp?} et al), the fraternisation issue
{Flynn et al}, conscientious objecting, and a host of other issues. These
people may have valid points or not; yet, the emphasis is on good order and
discipline -- the keys to any effective and realistic fighting force, one
that is ready at all times for anything. Trust? Used to be (at least 20
years ago) a myth or legend the officers were taught never to trust
enlisted people. Of course, Viet Nam had 'fragging' to give credence to
this; I haven't heard of similar practices in current times. I would say,
given the situation in the civilian world, many would ask if the sacrifice
and privation are really worth it. With the end of the "Cold War", many
opportunities to travel and gain new experiences evaporated. When Uncle
Sam starts using a full college scholarship as a recruiting tool (compared
to various versions of the G.I. Bill and in service tuition assistance),
there's an extra effort to attract new recruits/commisionees.
The anthrax issue stems from the Gulf War when so many people became
mysteriously ill and no ready explanation was available (by design or by
accident). The military is in many instances a test base for all kinds of
medical procedures. The Civil War brought us heroin; Korea brought us
triage and helicopters; Viet Nam its cornucopia. The Gulf War presented a
different set of problems, physical, psychological, or a combination
thereof.
The mechanic will serve as a test base for his issue: Are the shots safe?
Effective? Deadly? Useless? Only time (and anthrax attacks) will tell.
At any rate, this person will do perhaps a good thing: make an issue out
of it and make a personal sacrifice for the benefit of others.
Nevertheless, an example will be set, forcing many to make choices: go
down the same road or get the shots (and this applies to any other instance
of conscientious objection). Sec'y Cohen was reportedly among the first to
get the series so he may not have a sympathetic ear.
I don't have any pretentions to scholarship on any of these matters; 20+
years of haircuts and shoeshines kinda put the experiential flavour to my
knowledge base.
AER
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: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has
refusedanthrax...
: Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 10:31 AM
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: -Caveat Lector-
:
: I have an interesting question regarding this issue, that might explain
the
: military's reasoning on it. I don't necessarily support this view but
put it
: out
[CTRL] Internet openness cuts both ways
-Caveat Lector- Posted at 9:21 p.m. PST Saturday, January 30, 1999 Internet openness cuts both ways BY DAN GILLMOR Mercury News Technology Columnist Last week, an Internet service provider in Dublin, Ireland, was forced to shut down temporarily after a cyber-attack on its computers. Topping the list of suspects is the government of Indonesia. The Internet company was hosting a ``virtual nation'' on behalf of people who want to end the brutal Indonesian occupation of East Timor, the eastern half of a South Pacific island the size of Massachusetts. We take open political discourse for granted in the United States, but in this case political speech had a price. If the Indonesian government was pulling the strings, it wouldn't be the first time a regime tried to control a medium that tends to find ways around censorship. All over the globe, governments are desperately trying to limit their own citizens' access to materials deemed inappropriate or dangerous. Nor is this the first time a government may have been involved in trying to suppress a foreign-based Internet site it didn't like. The Spanish government, by some accounts, tacitly supported an electronic mail- bombing campaign against a San Francisco Web site that published material for Basque separatists. But if the Indonesian regime did mastermind or otherwise play a role in the hacking of the East Timor site, this cross-border challenge is an escalation of sorts. For governments and their foes, foreign and domestic, it's another warning that the Information Age brings new complexities to some old notions. It raises fascinating, maybe fundamental questions -- about the nature of sovereignty, authority and more in the virtual world. As with other cases of hacking of Web sites, moreover, the incident highlights how the Internet's basic openness is double-edged. Decentralization lets information be viewed by anyone, anywhere. It also creates vulnerability to outside attacks. A little history: When Portugal decided to cede control of East Timor in 1975, Indonesia invaded and annexed the territory as an Indonesian province. Widely reported human-rights abuses followed. The protests of the international community, including the United Nations, have had little effect -- until last week, perhaps coincidentally, when the Indonesian government suddenly suggested it might grant independence. The Internet had played a role in the continuing campaign against the occupation. There were the usual mailing lists, Usenet newsgroup discussions and Web sites where advocates and opponents of East Timor independence promoted their viewpoints. But the most interesting Web development came about in late 1997, when an Irish Internet service provider, Connect-Ireland, joined forces with Nobel laureates José Ramos-Horta and Bishop Carlos Belo, who had been among the most active people in the East Timor freedom movement. The idea behind their ``East Timor Project'' was to create what amounted to a virtual nation. To do this they took advantage of the way Internet domains are created. A ``top-level'' national domain -- granted by a centralized authority run under contract with the U.S. government, a system now being revamped -- consists of a two-letter abbreviation. For example, the United Kingdom uses .uk, where a Web site might be called website.co.uk (the ``co'' stands for commercial in this example). Only the United States, where the Internet began, does not have a top-level national abbreviation. Creating a East Timor top-level domain name, .tp, was a clever political maneuver by the opponents to the Indonesian occupation. It effectively established a semi-official presence, though what that really means is open to interpretation. In any event, Indonesia's government wasn't amused. A spokesman told the Irish Times newspaper, with the utter hypocrisy so prevalent in officialdom, that it had nothing against freedom on the Net. But the government was ``concerned that this freedom has been misused . . . to spread a campaign against Indonesia.'' In an explanation on its Web page, Connect-Ireland (www.connect.ie) says the site had been probed repeatedly in the year since the domain was established. But the company wasn't prepared for what happened last week: simultaneous cyber-attacks from locations around the globe. The attacks, apparently designed to bog down the computers, were so effective that Connect-Ireland was forced to temporarily shut down its systems. The company says it's upgrading equipment and software to make the site less vulnerable in the future. Systems administrators around the world are working together to trace the people responsible, according to Connect-Ireland. But it's entirely possible the guilty parties will escape detection. A Web site that challenges a corrupt or repressive regime may be perceived as a serious threat by that government. Given the power of information to be a catalyst for action, it may be an actual threat. That
Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**
-Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: It appears that, in an attempt to get to the bottom of this, we have painted ourselves into a corner. MJ: ? Brown, Jeremy wrote: This is the old "fire in a crowded theater" argument. MJ: False analogy. One who yells fire in a crowded theater fraudulently incites others to 'stampede'. Brown, Jeremy wrote: Having to choose which freedoms are scared and which are not. MJ: I contend that utilizing the Natural Right standard (also identified within the Declaration of Independence) of an individual's RIGHT to their OWN life 'frees' one to choose for himself (or choose a 'guardian' to choose for him and him alone). Brown, Jeremy wrote: Driving drunk is a proven killer. MJ: So is driving while exhausted -- however, that carries no 'criminality'. Brown, Jeremy wrote: What I am saying is that steps should be taken to PREVENT drunk driving. Education, contracts for life, things like that. MJ: That is not what you previously stated. I have no problem if one desires to utilize his OWN resources in an attempt to encourage others. Brown, Jeremy wrote: I AM afraid of dying, especially such a wasted and pointless death as being run down by Joe Jock coming home from the Mellow Tiger after a real bender. MJ: Perhaps we should eliminate automobiles. :) As to Frosty's fallacy of logic ... that most certainly must be why we had so many Heroin adict children at the turn of this century when every corner 'drug store' sold heroin to anyone who asked. Regard$, --MJ No nation was ever drunk when wine was cheap. -- Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Writing
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From bwc.htm @ www.cybereditions.com
Philosophy and Literature
announces
Winners of the Fourth Bad Writing Contest (1998)
We are pleased to announce winners of the fourth Bad Writing Contest,
sponsored by the scholarly journal Philosophy and Literature.
The Bad Writing Contest celebrates the most stylistically lamentable
passages found in scholarly books and articles published in the last few
years. Ordinary journalism, fiction, departmental memos, etc. are not
eligible, nor are parodies: entries must be non-ironic, from serious,
published academic journals or books. Deliberate parody cannot be allowed
in a field where unintended self-parody is so widespread.
Two of the most popular and influential literary scholars in the U.S. are
among those who wrote winning entries in the latest contest.
Judith Butler, a Guggenheim Fellowship-winning professor of rhetoric and
comparative literature at the University of California at Berkeley, admired
as perhaps "one of the ten smartest people on the planet," wrote the
sentence that captured the contest's first prize. Homi K. Bhabha, a leading
voice in the fashionable academic field of postcolonial studies, produced
the second-prize winner.
"As usual," commented Denis Dutton, editor of Philosophy and Literature,
"this year's winners were produced by well-known, highly-paid experts who
have no doubt labored for years to write like this. That these scholars
must know what they are doing is indicated by the fact that the winning
entries were all published by distinguished presses and academic journals."
Professor Butler's first-prize sentence appears in "Further Reflections on
the Conversations of Our Time," an article in the scholarly journal
Diacritics (1997):
The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to
structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of
hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence,
and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of
structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes
structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights
into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed
conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies
of the rearticulation of power.
Dutton remarked that "its possibly the anxiety-inducing obscurity of such
writing that has led Professor Warren Hedges of Southern Oregon University
to praise Judith Butler as probably one of the ten smartest people on the
planet."
This years second prize went to a sentence written by Homi K. Bhabha, a
professor of English at the University of Chicago. It appears in The
Location of Culture (Routledge, 1994):
If, for a while, the ruse of desire is calculable for the uses of
discipline soon the repetition of guilt, justification, pseudo-scientific
theories, superstition, spurious authorities, and classifications can be
seen as the desperate effort to "normalize" formally the disturbance of a
discourse of splitting that violates the rational, enlightened claims of
its enunciatory modality.
This prize-winning entry was nominated by John D. Peters of the University
of Iowa, who describes it as "quite splendid: enunciatory modality,
indeed!"
Ed Lilley, an art historian at the University of Bristol in the U.K.,
supplied a sentence by Steven Z. Levine from an anthology entitled Twelve
Views of Manets "Bar" (Princeton University Press, 1996):
As my story is an august tale of fathers and sons, real and imagined, the
biography here will fitfully attend to the putative traces in Manets work
of "les noms du père," a Lacanian romance of the errant paternal phallus
("Les Non-dupes errent"), a revised Freudian novella of the inferential
dynamic of paternity which annihilates (and hence enculturates) through the
deferred introduction of the third term of insemination the
phenomenologically irreducible dyad of the mother and child.
Stewart Unwin of the National Library of Australia passed along this gem
from the Australasian Journal of American Studies (December 1997). The
author is Timothy W. Luke, and the article is entitled, "Museum Pieces:
Politics and Knowledge at the American Museum of Natural History":
Natural history museums, like the American Museum, constitute one decisive
means for power to de-privatize and re-publicize, if only ever so slightly,
the realms of death by putting dead remains into public service as social
tokens of collective life, rereading dead fossils as chronicles of life's
everlasting quest for survival, and canonizing now dead individuals as
nomological emblems of still living collectives in Nature and History. An
anatomo-politics of human and non-human bodies is sustained by accumulating
and classifying such necroliths in the museum's observational/expositional
performances.
[CTRL] Albert Jr.
-Caveat Lector- From Intellectual Capital http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/99/0128/icbusiness3.asp Al Gore's Not-So-Excellent Adventure by Jerry Pournelle January 28, 1999 ANAHEIM, Ca. -- Vice President Gore predictably came bearing gifts to the 1999 annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He usually does. Gore likes speaking at the AAAS, because while many scientists privately think he is dumber than a box of rocks, most scientists and all scientific administrators flatter him into thinking he is one of them. Gore always has had a particular devotion to the Internet. I recall a few years ago Gore lecturing about how he played in integral way in starting the Internet and how it works. The people he was speaking to were the ones who actually made the Internet happen, and their comments after Gore's speech were a great deal gentler than I expected. This year his devotion manifests itself in money: Gore proposes a $366 million increase in government "investment" in information technology. This is a really poor idea. Doing more with less Picture: Government investment in information technology? Is government "investment" in information technology a good idea? I do not say this from dogmatic opposition to government funding of basic science; indeed, there is really no alternative, because there is no one else to look out for the future. Private industry is not going to help with long-term plans. The discounted value of a dollar in 20 years is effectively zero, and corporate management is judged on close-range, bottom-line returns. Investors may buy stocks valued at 100 times earning, but they do not really expect to wait 100 years to get their money back. And corporate managers who allocate real money to research with no payoff in 20 years or more are going to be instant targets for hostile takeover bids. The fact is that no one but government is going to look out for our grandchildren, and basic research is more likely to benefit our grandchildren than this generation. Nothing is inherently wrong with government research in the future, and it is likely we need more of it. Indeed, I am willing to argue that our investments through the National Science Foundation (NSF) have been spectacularly successful, one of the best investments of tax dollars ever made by us or anyone else. NSF, in contrast to the National Institutes of Health and many of the other research funding agencies, developed techniques for allocating money to the best research while cutting off money to projects that should not have it. You could, and NSF officials do, argue some good projects are left unfunded, so that NSF could use more money. But the interesting part is that no NSF officer I ever talked to wants a lotmore, and most wish that some parts of NSF had less. Money corrupts The reason is simple enough, and it is not just the waste of money on useless work. The problem is that adequately funded projects attract really good people. Overfunded projects attract not only the top people interested in that project, but others who are not that good: people who might be splendid at a less knotty problem, but who are simply over their heads working on this one. These people are not necessarily second rate; they are only second rate in some areas. They would be first rate elsewhere; and because we do not have an oversupply of such people we cannot afford to waste them. That is the first misallocation of resources. You can see it in the health sciences, where we spend something like 50 times as much money per death from AIDS than on cancer. Lately breast cancer has attracted enormous amounts of money, although lung cancer kills more women than breast cancer. The result is funding a bunch of low-priority breast-cancer studies while high-priority lung-cancer studies go begging. The very top people with something to contribute probably continue to work in lung cancer, but a lot of graduate students choose breast cancer as a specialty as career insurance. You win some, and you lose some That is the problem with Gore's jump on the Internet/Information bandwagon. It is already overfunded through the marketplace. There may be some sense to Amazon.com (which has never shown a profit) having a stock-market value three times that of The New York Times enterprises and 15 times that of Barnes and Noble (which actually has book stores and reports profits). But there is certainly no sense to all of this Internet ferment. Some of those investments are bad, and those who made them are going to lose, and that's what market economics is about. Meanwhile, there is no shortage of research funds. Several AAAS panels (Gore didn't attend any of them, of course) were in information theory and models of Internet information flow. The fundamental mathematics are not being ignored, and if there are any interesting Internet research projects out there going begging for funds, I do not know about them. Pouring
Re: [CTRL] YOUR BANKER AS SNOOP:
-Caveat Lector- Carl Amedio wrote: -Caveat Lector- YOUR BANKER AS SNOOP: Snoops and Spies - George Orwell had it right in his dystopia novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, but he missed it by a decade. Big Brother wants bankers to create a dossier on every account holder. And a federal regulatory proposal dubbed "Know Your Customer" could do just that by turning bank tellers into snoops. If it sounds like something out of the X-Files, it isn't. Look for it at a bank near you. . . . . your trusted banker has been enlisted by Big Brother to help him watch every financial move you make. . . . . the rule published Dec. 7, Pearl Harbor Day, in the Federal Register calls for uniform banking procedures to identify customers, establish their sources of money, note their "normal and expected transactions," watch for transactions that are inconsistent with the customer's "normal and expected transactions," report any transactions that are determined to be suspicious and place limitations on amounts that can be withdrawn at any one time . . . . . The regulators say Know Your Customer snooping is for your own good. . .. . . It seems I just read that this "know your customer", just got squashed, anyone? But we must always keep watch as I'm sure they'll try to slip it in again sometime. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DeLay, DiVert, DisTract
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM (NewsReal) -Tom DeLay, - DEFENDER OF SWEATSHOPS Picture: Tom DeLay THE GOP WHIP THINKS THAT AMERICAN COMPANIES USING UNDERPAID GARMENT WORKERS IN DISTANT SAIPAN IS JUST FINE. BY JEFF STEIN | In the swirling spotlight that surrounds the presidential impeachment trial, it's finally Tom DeLay's turn to move into the hot seat. The slick-haired Texan with a fondness for calling President Clinton a liar is starting to face questions about his own contradictions. A former business partner in DeLay's exterminating business in suburban Dallas popped up in the pages of the New Republic this week with charges that the Republican whip had lied about his ties to the company in a 1994 lawsuit, and may have illegally siphoned off company funds to pay off campaign debts. DeLay has excoriated the president for "trying to use legalese and lawyerese to do two-steps around the questions," author Ann Louise Bardach observed in her New Republic piece. But the three experts Bardach asked to examine DeLay's depositions -- under oath-- in the lawsuit concluded that he had done exactly the same thing. DeLay's spokesman Michael Scanlon blew off the allegations as old news: "Our political enemies have been digging into Mr. DeLay's past for years," he said in a prepared statement. Indeed they have, but they've been getting nowhere. Lacking a lurid enough angle in sex-obsessed Washington, they've had no success in knocking DeLay off his pedestal. Now, however, comes the faint cry of virtual slave laborers far out in the Pacific Ocean, as unlikely a threat as the nasty-tongued Republican could have ever imagined. But the faceless, nameless sweatshop garment workers of Saipan suddenly have some legal muscle. The story really begins back in June 1944, when 71,000 U.S. Marines took Saipan from the Japanese Army at a terrible cost in blood. Planting the American flag there turned out to be critical. Fourteen months later a B-29 took off from nearby Tinian carrying the atomic bombs that would abruptly end the war. For the next half century the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, as they would become known, generally enjoyed the benign neglect of Washington. In 1986, the 27,000 islanders were granted American citizenship. It was around this time, however, that mandarins from Hong Kong and the People's Republic of China began setting up textile factories on Saipan and importing labor from the mainland, as well as from Bangladesh and the Philippines, to cut and stitch cloth for garment makers including JC Penney, the Gap, Tommy Hilfiger, Liz Clairborne, Jones New York, Abercrombie Fitch, Levi Strauss, Nautica and many others -- a virtual Who's Who of designer labels. The idea was to slip under the radar of U.S. quotas and duties, which would cost the manufacturers millions more if the garments were made outside U.S. territory. Garments from Saipan are made from foreign cloth, assembled by foreign workers on U.S. soil and labeled "Made in the USA." And they are made cheaply. Wages in the factories average about $3 per hour -- more than $2 less than the U.S. minimum wage of $5.15. No overtime is paid for a 70-hour work week. But that's hardly the worst of it. Far away from the swank beachside hotels, luxurious golf courses and the thousands of Japanese tourists snorkling around sunken U.S. Navy landing craft in the clear waters, some 31,000 textile workers live penned up like cattle by armed soldiers and barbed wire, and squeezed head to toe into filthy sleeping barracks, all of which was documented on film by U.S. investigators last year. The unhappy workers cannot just walk away, either: Like Appalachian coal miners a generation ago, they owe their souls to the company store, starting with factory recruiters, who charge Chinese peasants as much as $4,000 to get them out of China and into a "good job" in "America." Their low salaries make it nearly impossible to buy back their freedom. And so they stay. The small print in their contracts forbids sex, drinking -- and dissent. "I am very tired," wrote Li Zhen Hua, a 29-year-old Chinese woman in a letter to a friend obtained by the weekly Dallas Observer. "I want to go back to my country but I can't because we must keep [sic] two years ... Very busy. So hard. Every day work up to 1:30. I've to work on Sunday. Too much to respond to your letters." Enter Tom DeLay and his Texas Republican sidekick, Dick Armey. When the Clinton administration sought to yank Saipan's factories into the 20th century in 1994, requiring the workers be paid a minimum wage, overtime and their living conditions improved, the island government hired a platoon of well-connected Washington lobbyists, headed by former DeLay aide Jack Abramoff, to block the plan. Abramoff, in turn, personally or through his family, contributed $18,000 to DeLay's campaign coffers. So far, the island government has paid the firm of Preston Gates Ellis Rouvelas Meeds $4
[CTRL] IMF reaches deal with Brazil
-Caveat Lector- BBC News Online: Business: The Economy Thursday, February 4, 1999 Published at 23:44 GMT IMF reaches deal with Brazil Picture IMF reaches deal with Brazil The International Monetary Fund has reached agreement with Brazil on a new economic reform plan for 1999, paving the way for the release of $9bn in additional financial support. The IMF's deputy managing director, Stanley Fischer, spoke of his confidence in the deal before leaving for Washington. "I get a much better feeling having had these conversations, having agreed this framework .. than I did from just reading the reports," he said. Picture: [ image: width=150] Mr. Fischer said he hoped the accord could be signed "reasonably soon," probably within the next week or two. Brazil's Finance Minister Pedro Malan said that Brazil had agreed to tougher targets for public spending, including a primary surplus (before interest payments) of 3-3.5% of GDP, up from the 2.6% previously agreed. That could mean even more tax hikes, and spending cuts, as Brazil revises its budget plans. The government also said it was pledging with the Central Bank to keep inflation in "middle single digits" during the year, and it would give the Bank more independence. Brazil's collapsing currency, the real, has boosted the cost of imports, leading to fears that inflation will return. Markets recover The Brazilian stock market recovered on the news, turning a loss of 3% into a much smaller loss. The currency, the real also strengthened, after trading as low as 1.83 to the dollar earlier in the day. It has fallen by 30-40% since the government allowed it to float. Picture: [ image: width=150] Brazil was forced to devalue its currency three weeks ago after billions of dollars of foreign currency fled the country, despite a prior arrangement with the IMF for a $41bn support package. That made the targets in the previous deal impossible to meet, necessitating this week's renegotiations. Brazil's economy is still in trouble, as the high interest rates - nearly 40% - needed to defend the currency could well send the economy into a deep recession. Earlier in the week Brazil replaced its Central Bank chief with Arminio Fraga, a former aide to international financier George Soros, in an attempt to reassure the markets. PictureBusiness Contents PicturePicture - London SharesPicture - The MarketsPicture - The EconomyPicture - The Company FilePicture - Your MoneyPicture - Foreign ExchangePictureThe Economy Contents PicturePicturePicture - Picture Economy Reports PicturePicture - Picture Interest Rates Business Contents London Shares The Markets The Economy The Company File Your Money Foreign Exchange The Economy Contents Economy Reports Interest Rates Relevant Stories Soros aide to head Brazil's central bank (02 Feb 99 | The Economy) Brazil gripped by currency fears (01 Feb 99 | The Economy) Brazil - a catastrophe in the making? (22 Jan 99 | The Economy) Brazil backs vital reforms (21 Jan 99 | The Economy) Latin America holds its breath (15 Jan 99 | The Economy) Crisis talks on Brazil meltdown (15 Jan 99 | The Economy) Brazil pushes markets to the edge (13 Jan 99 | The Economy) Brazil quarrels over debt repayments (08 Jan 99 | The Economy) Brazil default sparks sell-off (08 Jan 99 | The Economy) In this section High-tech sell-off leads Wall Street down IMF reaches deal with Brazil UK rates fall again ECB keeps rates on hold Inquiry into online trading Fed leaves rates on hold Retailers' hopes in UK dashed Bank gets 'three cheers' Glimmer of hope in service sector UK nearly euro-ready, but... Byers under fire over 'wealth creation' Worst is over, says George Euro on top £112m boost for long-term jobless (From UK Politics) CBI calls for stability Budget New Year rally in house prices Jobs threat as engineer collapses Farmers face credibility gap Schröder attacks speculators Free ISP offers talking email (From Sci/Tech) US budget surplus beckons Challenge to free Web access Manufacturing doldrums Job losses nationwide UK oil industry faces hard times DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE
-Caveat Lector- Teo1000 wrote: Well, as regards this sickness. I am sick myself and it is most unusual. I am told it is the flu, but it is unlike any flu I have had before, in addition I got a flu shot around October of last year. I don't know how these things relate but I have been having a problem with fatigue too, and have noticed weird contrails in the air around here lately too. One of the contrails was almost luminescent, and easily seen in the night sky. One other I observed in the daytime was similar to those attributed to pulse jets, that supposedly don't exist. Could all be a big nothing but I find it interesting that all of this is happening at the same time like this and in such widely diverse places. Teo1000 Recently in Vancouver there was an epidemic of leaky condos. Naturally there was a lot of outrage and complaints from the victims about the tens of thousands of dollars in repairs, but there were also some health complaints because the dampness allowed mould and fungi to grow which caused lingering flu-like symptoms and fatigue. This struck me because I remember a number of people on this list complaining of flu-like sickness that wouldn't go away. So you might check for damp areas in your residence. As to the luminescence of the contrail, if it was the *early* night sky and the contrail was very high, remember that the sun might still be shining on it. These contrail stories make me uneasy, too. I remember going out for a paper one morning when Vancouver was being sprayed to eridicate gypsy moths. I heard a plane overhead so I hurried -- couldn't have been outside for more than 3 or 4 minutes -- but I came down with a sore throat which was one of effects on humans that the sprayers admitted might occur. So I definitely don't like chemical agents being dumped on me from above! Nevertheless, it's important to eliminate alternative explanations before getting too paranoid. Gerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order
-Caveat Lector- Howard Davis wrote: So now I do not have the single question of whether or not it happened, but now I have two questions, first: Why did the allies do nothing about it? After the above was released I expected a lot of discussion on the above question. I did not see any on the major news web sites. Then last fall I went by the Holocaust Museum in Washington. I went by the library there to see what they had on this. The librarian knew nothing about it and even questioned if I might be mistaken. And, I could find nothing in any of the Journals they carried about this revelation. The second question, of course, is why not? Something is very fishy about this whole thing. You would think that there would have been a lot more about it in the news then, for instance, the Nazi gold in Switzerland. Also, the documents should set the total number killed much more accurately then was possible previously. Any ideas? Howard Davis Do you know any popular history that isn't simplified to a few basic points? Any that doesn't have clearly delineated good guys and bad guys? And it seems that the main defence against Holocaust deniers is to simplify further and focus all of the blame on those who committed the genocide and none on those who may have been complicit through acts of omission. The whole effect is to turn the Holocaust into an historical icon which has no meaning outside of itself; all those resolutions of "Never again" are as firm as a blade of grass in a hurricane. Anyway, I'm not convinced that this information is as suppressed as you imply (although it is surprising that the Holocaust museum professes to have no knowledge of it). I recall hearing Allied excuses years ago and I believe that there were a few posts on this list some weeks ago about whether or not the train tracks to Auschwitz should have been bombed. Nevertheless your concerns have some resonance with a current scandal that made a blip in the news and then disappeared: who knew what, and when, and failed to act on that information to prevent the genocide in Rwanda. Put Dallaire+Rwanda into a search engine to get the dirty details, but here are some of the highlights: -- General Dallaire asks for authorization to confiscate an arms cache. Not only is permission refused but Dallaire is instructed to relay his informant's intelligence and the U.N. decision not to act to the Rwandan president and his political party, even though they were the very people who were planning the massacre. (btw that's Gen. ROMEO Dallaire, an apt name for a peacekeeper: see Romeo Juliet Act 3, Sc. 1) -- Dallaire faxed the U.N. quoting a senior Rwandan security official as saying he had been ordered to register all Tutsis in Kigali for the purpose, he suspected, of "their extermination" Kofi Annan is head of peacekeeping operations at this time. -- Dallaire comes up with a plan to break the momentum of the slaughter. The U.N. Security Council dithers and the idea is finally scotched when Bill Clinton refuses to allow the use of American planes to transport troops from Nigeria and Ghana to Rwanda. (The Ghanaians probably come out best in the whole affair. The general in charge of their meagre forces already in Rwanda disobeys a direct order from the U.N. to evacuate, saving 5-10,000 Rwandans.) Later analysis of Dallaire's plan by Gen. Schroeder of the Carnegie Corp. suggests that it had a good chance of working and certainly could have been no worse than the U.N.'s (in)action. -- Dallaire and other U.N. officials are refused permission to testify at a Belgian inquiry. Annan cites "diplomatic immunity" and claims that all necessary information had already been furnished by the U.N. Coverup? (the Belgians are pissed at Dallaire because he dawdled while their soldiers were killed; Dallaire had been negotiating for the safety of the Rwandan prime minister, but she was probably already dead at the time) Annan later waives diplomatic immunity to allow Dallaire to testify at the trial of the Rwandan massacrists. Apparently his testimony regarding the insanity of the situation is to be used to mitigate the sentences of the killers. And so on. About a year ago a black Congresswoman from Georgia was pressing to find out what Clinton knew, and when he knew it, but apparently there's something about black Congresswomen that makes their voices inaudible to the media. But blaming Clinton won't help, especially with analysis from the Carnegie Corp.: "The
