[CTRL] Communist Genocide - Totalled 100 million dead

2001-05-06 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Anybody built a shrine to these dead or demand reparations?

Any difference between Nazis and Communists?  None dare call it
collusion?

Saba

The New Australian

Communism's 100 Million Victims
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic . . .

No. 76,  11-17 May 1998
This year's $200 million blockbuster motion picture Titanic tells a
tragic story of the world's largest ship, which struck an iceberg on
April 15, 1912 and within two hours split in half and plunged to its
watery grave in the Atlantic Ocean. A total of 1,517 passengers died in
that disaster, the great majority of them ship crewmembers.

Using dramatic license, however, director James Cameron chose to depict
the loss of lives in terms of class conflict -- rich vs. poor -- telling
the NewYork Times (Dec. 19) We're holding just short of Marxist dogma.
(Cameron even cast, in the film's pivotal role as a 101-year-old Titanic
survivor, an 87-year-old actress who had been active in Hollywood
politics in the 1930's and refused to appear before a Congressional
committee investigating Communist influence in the movies.)

While most of the main characters in Cameron's astonishingly crafted
film are either downright hoity-toity or sweetly proletarian, at least
when the great ship begins its final death plummet the movie rises above
agitprop. Unlike Comrade Joe Stalin's cynical observation about
tragedies and statistics, each life lost in the ensuing huge disaster
matters, as it should.

Only five years after the Titanic catastrophe, in November 1917, the
world would witness the beginning of the greatest willful mass
exterminations of life in human history. The tip of the iceberg looming
on the horizon at the time was the Bolshevik Revolution in Czarist
Russia. And today the damage it inflicted on mankind has finally been
properly assessed.

The Black Book on Communism

In France, an 846-page academic study compiled by six distinguished
historians has become a runaway best-seller with 70,000 copies purchased
in four weeks and a second printing underway. Not available in the U.S
at this time, the book is titled Le Livre Noir du Communism (The Black
Book on Communism) and it has been the subject of heated exchange in the
French Parliament. In addition, articles about it have appeared in the
New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the International Herald
Tribune and Commentary monthly for January 1998.
Published on Nov. 8, 1997 - the 80th anniversary of the start of the
Russian Revolution -- one of its authors, Stephane Courtois of the
National Center for Scientific Research, is a self-proclaimed leftist
and former Maoist.

In his introduction he insists that we can no longer distinguish any
conventional difference between Communism and Nazism. As Tony Judt,
director of the Remarque Institute at New York University, points out,
Courtois notes those very features of Nazism that we find most
repellent have now been proved endemic to Communism from its inception .
. . mass crimes, systematic crimes, crimes against humanity marked both
systems in equal measure.

The archives and numerous witnesses confirm, says Courtois, that
terror was from the outset a basic feature of modern Communism, where
concentration camps, forced labor and terror were elevated to a system
of government. Mass murders were not the accidental byproduct of
misguided policies but the outcome of willful, sometimes genocidal
calculation and intent, adds Tony Judt.
Alain Besancon, the eminent French historian, made a similar point in
his inaugural lecture to the French Academy (text appearing in the
December 1997 issue of Commentaire). Speaking of The Black Book on
Communism, Besancon asked how is it that, today, the two systems are
treated so unequally in historical memory, to the point where one of
them, Soviet Communism, though a still-recent presence on the world
scene, has already been all but forgotten?

Where Nazism's crimes affected 25 million, Communist regimes have
committed crimes affecting 100 million. Described as the first global
balance sheet on Communism, here is how The Black Book of Communism
breaks down that figure: China: 72 million, Soviet Union 20 million,
Cambodia 2.3 million, North Korea 2 million, Africa 1.7 million,
Afghanistan 1.5 million, Vietnam 1 million, Eastern Europe 1 million,
Latin America 150,000.

All these millions of Communism's victims were fathers and mothers,
aunts and uncles, grandparents, children or other special loved-ones.
Every death was a tragedy, not a statistic. Yet, unlike the world's
proper remembrance of the victims of Nazism, little is said today about
the fate of Communism's victims.

As Tony Judt comments: From the point of view of the exiled,
humiliated, tortured, maimed or murdered victims, it's all the same. in
the sorry story of our century, Communism and Nazism are, and always
were, morally ndistinguishable. That lesson alone took too long to
learn, and it justifies a complete recasting and 

[CTRL] Carbon Dioxide Levels Key To Global Warming Predictions

2001-05-06 Thread Steve Wingate

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Source: Texas AM University (http://www.tamu.edu/)

Date: Posted 5/4/2001

Carbon Dioxide Levels Key To Global Warming Predictions

COLLEGE STATION - It's never a good idea to throw the baby out with the
bathwater, even if the baby is millions of years old -- with an uncertain
future. That's Thomas Crowley's message on global climate modeling,
published in this week's Science (May 3, 2001).

Despite incomplete agreement of computer generated models and
physical evidence, Crowley believes carbon dioxide levels still prove key to
predicting future climate events based on past history.

Recently, some researchers have suggested that carbon dioxide changes
are not primarily responsible for past climate changes over millions of
years, said Crowley, a professor of oceanography at Texas AM
University. But my co-author, Robert Berner of Yale, and I demonstrate in
our perspective piece for Science that variations in CO2 are in fact very
important for explaining past ice ages.

Conclusions to the contrary have been based on fragmentary data, he
observed. I think it would be hazardous to conclude, based on
discrepancies between models and data from the past, that projections
interpreting the negative impact of future anthropogenic greenhouse gas
emissions are erroneous.

Paleoclimate experts agree that over millions of years, the Earth's climate
has undergone massive changes. Glaciers sculpted the face of entire
continents, followed by warm periods with virtually no ice. Over 65 million
years ago, dinosaurs grazed in Alaska, and the ice-cold waters of the
ocean depths ran lukewarm.

Experts estimate historic atmospheric CO2 content based on analysis of
fossilized soils, marine sedimentary carbon, fossil leaves and boron
isotopes in carbonate fossils. Such indicators have suggested links
between natural variations in the amount of CO2 present in the atmosphere
and long-term climate changes.

But not all the data agree. For example, during certain periods of high
levels of CO2, reconstructed temperatures in the tropics were quite cold.

Crowley and Berner dispute the idea, however, that such discrepancies
should entirely call into question the role of CO2 in global warming, both
now and in the past.

There are some legitimate reasons for believing the tropical chemical
data may give flawed estimates of temperature, Crowley said. If these
estimates are, however, eventually proven correct, then perhaps climate
models are not correctly simulating tropical ocean responses to carbon
dioxide changes.

But even if there are mistakes in our modeling approaches, they may still
have limited application to future greenhouse warming, he continued. The
locations of the continents were so different in the past from where they are
now that we cannot be sure of the effects of such continental changes on
the ocean.

Crowley and Berner's analysis of models and supporting data led them to
conclude that the CO2 model is valuable for periods of glaciation at high
latitudes, but that in the tropics, predictive applications of prior climate
change are complicated by movement of the continents on tectonic plates
and problems with interpretation of climate indicators.

The bottom line remains the same -- CO2 is still very important to the
whole process of climate change. We just don't have all the story yet,
Crowley said.


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[CTRL] Abortion Practitioner Convicted of Manslauter in Legal Abortion Death (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread Yardbird

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Abortion Practitioner Convicted of Manslauter in Legal Abortion Death
Source:   Associated Press, Arizona Republic; May 5, 2001

Phoenix, AZ -- An abortion practitioner was convicted of manslaughter and
sentenced yesterday to five years in prison for a botched abortion that
led to the death of a 33-year-old woman.

LouAnne Herron bled to death in 1999 after John Biskind punctured her
uterus during an abortion at the now-closed A-Z Women's Center abortion
facility in Phoenix. Prosecutors demonstrated that Biskind and
co-defendant Carol Stuart-Schadoff, administrator of the abortion
facility, did not care for Herron adequately as she bled heavily following
the abortion. No doctors or registered nurses remained at the facility
following the abortion, and Biskind testified that he did not return and
instead went shopping after being notified of Herron's condition,
deferring treatment to a nearby hospital.

They also pointed out that Biskind and Stuart-Schadoff ignored sonograms
that showed Herron's pregnancy was too advanced for an abortion.
Prosecutors said seven sonograms performed on Herron showed the length of
her pregnancy ranged from 26 weeks to 23 weeks and three days, but six of
those documents were lost or destroyed by the defendants.

Superior Court Judge Michael O. Wilkinson sentenced Biskind, 75, and
Stuart-Schadoff, 63, who was sentenced to four years probation and 500
hours of community service. She was convicted of negligent homicide for
her role in arranging the abortion and waiting so long to call for
paramedics.

Wilkinson also ordered Biskind to pay $12,841.40 in restitution. He has 20
days to file an appeal.

Herron's father, Mike Gibbs, attended the sentencing and said he was
satisfied with Biskind's sentence.

Shane Wickfors, Executive Director of Arizona Right to Life said his group
was very disappointed by the weak sentence.

During the sentencing, Wickfors explained, Biskind turned to the family
of LouAnne Herron and stated, 'I goofed.' It was clear that Biskind
continued to show reckless disregard for his actions and the value of
human life.

We are extremely disappointed that the judge did not sentence him to the
maximum 12 years. Biskind has yet to show any sincere remorse in this
terrible tragedy. It's very clear that the only thing he's sorry about is
his incompetence, Wikfors stated.

In final statements, Biskind's attorney, Lawrence Kazan, stated that
abortion lends itself to these kinds of mishaps, acknowledging the risks
and dangers associated with abortion.

Biskind's Arizona medical license was revoked after a botched abortion on
a 17-year-old girl in June 1998. In that case, she was rushed to a
hospital and a doctor delivered a full-term baby who Biskind had estimated
at 23.6 weeks. He also had surrendered his license to practice in Ohio.

But Biskind is not the first abortion practitioner in the nation convicted
for performing a botched abortion. California abortion practitioner Bruce
Steir, 69, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter last year after
botching an abortion and killing a woman. He only served 114 days before
being released on parole.

Like Biskind, Steir had perforated the uterus of the mother, 27-year-old
Sharon Hamptlon, while performing an abortion of her 20-week-old unborn
child. Hamptlon bled to death in front of her 3-year-old son while being
driven home by her mother after the abortion. Having been on probation
with the medical board since 1988, Steir surrendered his license to
practice medicine four months after Hamptlon's death.

The defendants were denied a motion for a new trial based in part on
Wilkinson's admission of evidence relating to the unborn child's
viability. While Arizona law does not specify a date that a doctor cannot
perform an abortion, it does prohibit abortions after viability -- usually
22 to 26 weeks.

Stuart-Schadoff's attorney, Cameron Morgan, said he plans to file an
appeal, claiming Stuart-Schadoff and Biskind should have been tried
separately.

Biskind was immediately taken into custody and will serve his time in the
Maricopa County correctional system, run by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Best known
for his policies requiring inmates to eat discolored food, wear pink
underwear and black-and-white striped uniforms. His tent city and both
male and female chain gangs are a throw-back to prison practices of the
early part of the 20th century -- practices that many observers say are
necessary and preferable to the privileges -- such as cable television --
prisoners received in other facilities.

In 1999, Arizona Right to Life was instrumental in passing a law
regulating abortion facilities. Planned Parenthood of Southern Arizona
filed an injunction against the law where it still remains tied up in
court.

An informed consent law the group advocated during the most recent
legislative session failed in the 

Re: [CTRL] Abortion Practitioner Convicted of Manslauter in Legal Abortion Death (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Seems to me all the people in this case need help, beginning in
particular with the mother who drove her daughter to the abortionist and
the stupid doctor who needed a refresher course.

But the worse of the lot is this Sheriffmaybe the day will come
when a new Sheriff will be elected.

Find this story a little hard to believe.of the lot, the Sheriff is
the one who belongs in jail.

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Re: [CTRL] While the sheep are sleeping, the predators move in (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread Yardbird

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While the sheep are sleeping, the predators move in.
  PASS THIS ONE AROUND
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/sheep.htm

REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=1305

Report: Clinton, Reno deceived public about Waco tragedy
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

Sarah Bain's Letter to District Court Judge Walter S. Smith, Jr.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/sarah.htm

Genetically altered babies born
http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

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[CTRL] Pray for Destruction

2001-05-06 Thread Yardbird

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Christians Worldwide Praying for destruction of Israel on the National Day
of Prayer

(CCNS)May 4, 2001

Today is the is the National Day of Prayer in America. American Christians
and Christians all over the world are praying for the destruction of the
satanic socialist atheist anti-Christian police state known as the Nation
of Israel.

Christians are waking up and realizing that Atheist Jews are behind most of
the evil in todays world. Whether your concern is Jewish Hollywood's
non-stop assualt on our moral sensibilities via the pornographic filth they
pump into the minds and hearts of our children or the anti-Christian
messages in most of the products turned out by the Jewish owned organs of
popular culture, there can be no question that these Atheist Jews are
turning out to be a real problem for America and the world.

These Atheist Jews hate Christian America and at this point in history they
exercise near total control over America via the politicians whom they
control. These Atheist Jews hate the Real America which is a Christian
America and they are recreating America after their socialist, atheist,
humanist, elitist, evolutionary, utopian imaginations and inclinations. This
New America that the Atheist Jews are creating will be a Bloody American
Nightmare if it is not stopped.

These Atheist Jews hate America. They hate the Real America which was
originally a Christian Nation. American Christians who are knowledgeable
in these matters have learned that Atheist Jews are the driving force behind
our nations current immigration policy. The very culture (root word cult =
religion) of our nation is intentionally being challenged and changed by
our national immigration policy.

These Atheist Jews are trying to destroy Christian America and they are
using every avenue that they can find. For instance, they have re-written
our nations once proud Christian history and changed it into something
unrecognizable that makes the children in our public schools feel ashamed of
sins that neither they nor their ancestors committed.

These Atheist Jews are using every weapon at their command to destroy our
once proud Christian nation of America, including immigration policy. These
Atheist Jews want to replace Homogeneous Christian America with a
multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-lingual and a non-homogeneous, mixed
up mess. Why? Because a polyglot mishmash and a culturally mixed up, messed
up people who have no shared religious values and no commonly shared
heritage will be incapable of unifying themselves against the evil designs
of these Atheist Jews and the liberal socialist elite’s who are their fellow
travelers.

Furthermore, Christians in America are learning that it is primarily Atheist
Jews who have financially supported and lead the organizations that support
abortion and pornography and homosexual rights.

Atheist Jews run Hollywood. Atheist Jews run the ACLU. Atheist Jews run
NARAL. Atheist Jews run the groups agitating for homosexual rights. Atheist
Jews and atheist Jewish politicians finance and run every anti-Gun group in
our nation. Atheist Jews finance and run and or started nearly every left
wing group that is working to destroy Christian America.

Atheist Jews like Marx and Lenin and Jacob Schiff provided both the monetary
capital and the intellectual capital to finance the atheist communist
takeover of Russia. Atheist Jews then helped to advance communism around the
world. In America, thousands of Jews like Gus Hall headed and joined the
American Communist Party. Then in the 1940’s American Atheist Jews gave
communists in Russia all of America’s most highly classified secrets about
how to build an atomic bomb.

Atheist Jews are the CANCER of America.

Let me restate that because I want to make sure that you got it!

Atheist Jews are the CANCER of America.

That is the main message of this missive.

{Side Bar: Note to any Christian who disagree's with this message -
Concentrate on the facts. Just the FACTS. Show me anything that I have
written in this letter that is FACTUALLY WRONG. Otherwise do not bother
writing to me, I will just junk your emails.}

Remember Christians, It was these hard hearted evil Atheist Jews who were
responsible for the death of Jesus and these are the same type of Jews who
today are ruining America. We must stop these evil Jews before they kill
America like they have killed Russia.

I urge you all to pray for the destruction of Israel and pray for the
destruction of Airhead Christians who believe that dispensational
pre-millenialism is Biblical - IT'S NOT!!!

Hal Lindsey and Jack van Impe are both monstrous imposters spreading a lie
so big that John Calvin and Martin Luther and all of the great leaders of
the reformation would vomit if they could see how Christianity has been
weakened and feminized by the UN-Biblical “LEFT BEHIND” nonsense.

666  the Mark of the Beast movies are total 

Re: [CTRL] South Pole Update- Weapons Inspectors To Antarctica

2001-05-06 Thread Nessie

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That pic looks EXACTLY like Nicole Kidman...I think it IS Nicole
Kidman!

Could it be that this is part of a disinfo campaign aimed at covering up
what's really happening at Lake Vostok?

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[CTRL] FW: NEWS ADVISORY:Pope Apologizes to Orthodox Christians but Vatican Attorneys Deny Liability

2001-05-06 Thread Nessie

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NEWS ADVISORY FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 5, 2001

Pope Apologizes to Orthodox Christians but Vatican Attorneys Deny
Liability


Jonathan Levy - Tom Easton
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Pope John Paul II used a historic visit to Greece recently to issue a
broad apology for the sins of Roman Catholics against the Orthodox
Christian faithful. The Pope was attempting to heal the 1,000-year-old
rift between the two Churches. The Pope's apology was widely hailed as a
concrete step in the reconciliation of the two churches.

But on May 25 in a San Francisco Federal courtroom the Vatican's
attorneys will defend the Vatican Bank in a lawsuit filed by Orthodox
Christian survivors of genocide in World War II Yugoslavia. During World
War II over 500,000 Serbs were murdered by the fanatic Catholic regime
of Ante Pavelic in Croatia. The leadership of the Croatian regime known
as the Ustashe vanished after the Second World War with much of the gold
and silver plundered from their Serb victims.

According to the plaintiffs' attorneys, California lawyers, Jonathan
Levy and Tom Easton, declassified CIA records show that the Ustashe war
criminals were granted sanctuary at the Vatican and the profits of
genocide valued at as much as 100 million dollars were laundered by the
Vatican bank and Franciscan Order. Ustashe war criminals and other Nazis
like Adolf Eichman and Klaus Barbie were later whisked away to freedom
via the so-called Vatican ratline, set up and managed by Roman Catholic
priests.

The Vatican Bank in contrast to the Pope's historic apology to Orthodox
Christians is vigorously defending against the plaintiffs' claims for an
accounting and restitution. The Vatican Bank's attorneys in papers filed
with the court argue the Vatican Bank has immunity because it is owned
by the Holy See, the sovereign entity headed by the Pope. Plaintiffs'
legal team hopes that Judge Maxine Chesney will not let the Vatican Bank
escape liability and counter that immunity does not apply and the
Vatican Bank should be treated like any other financial institution that
reaped a profit from the Holocaust.

The lawsuit, Alperin v. Vatican Bank, was originally filed in November
1999 in the United States District Court for the Northern District of
California.

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Re: [CTRL] South Pole Update- Weapons Inspectors To Antarctica

2001-05-06 Thread Kelly

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Nessie wrote:

 That pic looks EXACTLY like Nicole Kidman...I think it IS Nicole
 Kidman!

 Could it be that this is part of a disinfo campaign aimed at covering up
 what's really happening at Lake Vostok?

From another list:


At 12:35 pm +0100 25/4/2001, Colin wrote:

...In recent weeks, a series of disturbing and
mysterious reports have been coming out of Antarctica,
centered around a strange anomaly recently detected
on that perpetually frozen Continent. The stories,
covered extensively by internet news sources (like
Kent Steadman's  Cyberspace Orbit  site), draw eerie
parallels to material as diverse as a French novel,
the X-Files movie, and as we shall see, even Arthur
C. Clarke's 2001 - A Space Odyssey
http://www.enterprisemission.com/antarctica.htm
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/antmag.html

The original post above is from Shez's fort list. The forward below
came through on the Konformist Newswire on Friday - but when you
check the site itself you find this disclaimer at the bottom of the
pages:

Copyright 2001 @lantis Interactive, Inc. All rights reserved.
@lantis.TV is the world¹s exclusive link to the secret U.S. dig in
Antarctica and ³Earth¹s Coolest Entertainment.² @lantis, @lantis.TV,
Raising Atlantis and Atlantis Mapping Project are trademarks of
@lantis Interactive, Inc., a Los Angeles-based entertainment
corporation. ALL DEPICTIONS OF NEWS EVENTS ARE FICTIONAL AND INTENDED
FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY, despite claims to the contrary by
subscribers, government agencies, archeologists and other interested
parties.

Uh-huh

Rachel


  Antartica
  Wed, 2 May 2001
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  Here are the best links to the ongoing Antartica story.

  http://lantis.tv/bios/zawas_bio.html
  http://lantis.tv/monthly/treaty.html
  http://lantis.tv/monthly/charges.html
  http://lantis.tv/monthly/photo.html
  http://lantis.tv/monthly/anomaly.html
  http://lantis.tv/monthly/40101.html
  http://lantis.tv/monthly/seismic_map.html

  U.N. Sends Weapons Inspectors to Antarctica

  UNITED NATIONS (AMP) ­ Hours after an ailing American doctor was
  snatched from the South Pole before the onslaught of winter, the U.N.
  Security Council recommended on Monday that an international weapons
  inspection team be dispatched immediately to the bottom of the world
to
  investigate charges of secret U.S. military maneuvers.

  The General Assembly must now approve the Council's endorsement before
  the United Nations Antarctica Commission (UNACOM) and its high-risk
  mission becomes official. Sources say approval is a formality now that
  Col. Ali Zawas, a 44-year-old Egyptian air force officer, has been
  nominated to head UNACOM.

  Zawas is the scion of a highly regarded family of diplomats and the
  grandson of a top American aide to U.S. Gen. Mark Clark during World
War
  II. He is also a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy. During the
  Persian Gulf War, Zawas flew under Allied command and shot down two
  Iraqi warplanes.

  The U.N. is trying to determine whether the U.S. carried out a nuclear
  test in violation of the international Antarctic Treaty.

  The treaty, which entered into force in 1961, establishes Antarctica
as
  a zone of peace and bans all military activities, including the
testing
  of weapons.

  The U.S. has steadfastly denied the existence of a secret military
base
  or weapons testing on the peace continent, although it now admits
that
  its National Science Foundation (NSF) is using American military
  personnel to construct a new base deep inside the Antarctic interior
at
  Lake Vostok.

  Earlier this month, however, a classified spy satellite image of
  Antarctica revealed a physical anomaly two miles beneath the ice that
  could be a man-made structure - and not just the magnetic phenomenon
the
  NSF claims to be studying at Lake Vostok. Furthermore, the anomaly
  appears to be located 300 miles away from Lake Vostok, near the
  epicenter of a recent quake in East Antarctica (see seismic map). That
  quake, its origins still under investigation, may have caused a huge
  chunk of ice twice the size of Delaware to break away from the Ross
Ice
  Shelf.

  The United States, the only council member to issue any objection to
  UNACOM's formation, abstained from the vote. But sources insist the
  abstention was on humanitarian grounds. The Twin Otter plane that
  rescued Dr. Shemenski from the South Pole a few days ago braved
whiteout
  conditions and temperatures of 65 degrees below zero, noted an
American
  diplomat in New York who wished to remain anonymous. It was a
dangerous
  10-hour evacuation flight across Antarctica and the crew barely got
out
  of there alive . But that was Romper Room compared to the insanity
  Colonel Zawas and his U.N. weapons inspection team will face when they
  go in. It's a suicidal mission that ultimately will come up with
nothing
  but lost lives.

  UNACOM will work in conjunction with the Russians, Australians and

Re: [CTRL] Are the Ten Commandments against the law? (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread Nessie

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Here are just a few quotes from the founders of this nation and other
prominent Americans who would disagree with you, Nessie:


Those are the opinions of individuals. The law of the land is quite
clear, Congress shall not . . . (etc.)

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[CTRL] Why Is the Cow Now Most Hated Animal

2001-05-06 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Mad Cow Disease?   Big crock of soy maybe.now hoof and mouth disease
and over 1,000,000 cattle killed and burnt after being dumped in
pyramids for ritual sacrifice?

First we are told that butter, milk, cheese is bad for you - and in turn
we are given oily mess of cheap margarine that now comes back to Better
Than Butter, contains 1/10 real Butteron and on.

The Globalists - it is a known fact that this group of monsters have
wanted to corner the meat market - and will destroy the market for meat
in order to destroy the farmers and cattlemen first in order to take
over.

Hitler wanted to make a type of gasoline out of soy.soy is like -
well all that fluoride they wanted to get rid of and no way to so do, so
they dumped into children's toothpaste?

Nice item here - loved the story where this woman rescued a live calf
from the pyramid of burning cattle and refused to let them destroy same
- it was free from hoof and mouth and also no mad cow here.



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The Third International Soy Symposium
Far from being the perfect food, modern soy products contain
antinutrients and toxins and they interfer with the absorption of
vitamins and minerals.
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Each year, research on the health effects of soy and soybean components
seems to increase exponentially. Furthermore, research is not just
expanding in the primary areas under investigation, such as cancer,
heart disease and osteoporosis; new findings suggest that soy has
potential benefits that may be more extensive than previously thought.
So writes Mark Messina, PhD, General Chairperson of the Third
International Soy Symposium, held in Washington, DC, in November 1999.1
For four days, well-funded scientists gathered in Washington made
presentations to an admiring press and to their sponsors - United
Soybean Board, American Soybean Association, Monsanto, Protein
Technologies International, Central Soya, Cargill Foods, Personal
Products Company, SoyLife, Whitehall-Robins Healthcare and the soybean
councils of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska,
Ohio and South Dakota.
The symposium marked the apogee of a decade-long marketing campaign to
gain consumer acceptance of tofu, soy milk, soy ice cream, soy cheese,
soy sausage and soy derivatives, particularly soy isoflavones like
genistein and diadzen, the oestrogen-like compounds found in soybeans.
It coincided with a US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) decision,
announced on October 25, 1999, to allow a health claim for products low
in saturated fat and cholesterol that contain 6.25 grams of soy protein
per serving. Breakfast cereals, baked goods, convenience food, smoothie
mixes and meat substitutes could now be sold with labels touting
benefits to cardiovascular health, as long as these products contained
one heaping teaspoon of soy protein per 100-gram serving.

MARKETING THE PERFECT FOOD
Just imagine you could grow the perfect food. This food not only would
provide affordable nutrition, but also would be delicious and easy to
prepare in a variety of ways. It would be a healthful food, with no
saturated fat. In fact, you would be growing a virtual fountain of youth
on your back forty. The author is Dean Houghton, writing for The
Furrow,2 a magazine published in 12 languages by John Deere. This ideal
food would help prevent, and perhaps reverse, some of the world's most
dreaded diseases. You could grow this miracle crop in a variety of soils
and climates. Its cultivation would build up, not deplete, the
land...this miracle food already exists... It's called soy.
Just imagine. Farmers have been imagining - and planting more soy. What
was once a minor crop, listed in the 1913 US Department of Agriculture
(USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product, now covers
72 million acres of American farmland. Much of this harvest will be used
to feed chickens, turkeys, pigs, cows and salmon. Another large fraction
will be squeezed to produce oil for margarine, shortenings and salad
dressings.
Advances in technology make it possible to produce isolated soy protein
from what was once considered a waste product - the defatted,
high-protein soy chips - and then transform something that looks and
smells terrible into products that can be consumed by human beings.
Flavourings, preservatives, sweeteners, emulsifiers and synthetic
nutrients have turned soy protein isolate, the food processors' ugly
duckling, into a New Age Cinderella.
The new fairy-tale food has been marketed not so much for her beauty but
for her virtues. Early on, products based on soy protein isolate 

Re: [CTRL] Marrs-Antarctica A Nazi Base?

2001-05-06 Thread Nessie

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One theory is that Martin Bormann and other top Nazis escaped to South
America 


See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html

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Re: [CTRL] Why Is the Cow Now Most Hated Animal

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/6/01 7:17:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The Globalists - it is a known fact that this group of monsters have

wanted to corner the meat market - and will destroy the market for meat

in order to destroy the farmers and cattlemen first in order to take

over. 

Could it be that Saba22 is on to something here?

Bill H

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Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction

2001-05-06 Thread Tenorlove

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This strikes me as anti-Christian disinformation.

Tenorlove
who trusts her gut on this one

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Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
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[CTRL] Soy Was Used to Slop Hogs?

2001-05-06 Thread Aleisha Saba

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So Soy is being investigated for a possiblel health hazard?  Little
late, isn't it.

Archer Daniel - once in a little town in Ohio, a huge soy beal oil tank
owned by Archer Daniel it was reported a picture of Christ had appeared
on this tankstory went all over the world - the local newspaper
representative told me it look liked a picture of Christ to her - cars
streamed down the highway, and Archer Daniel for some reason, had the
tank repainted?

One thing I remembered when a very young girl - on this site was once a
German (not Nazi but German) POW camp.   Young boys some of whom looked
only 15 or 16 years of age would wave to us - we were taught not to look
for this was the enemy . situated right across from the Country Club, we
used to ride by this site quiet often.   It was not unusual to see young
men on errands with POW jackets for they were no threat and it seemed
most were in a war, of which they wanted no part.

This happened during the Gulf War where someone said they saw the
picture of Christ on a Soy Bean Oil Tank - my imagination saw just a few
rusty spots and if you looked long and hard enough, as a cloud - you
could see maybe an outline of a head.

So why would Archer Daniels paint over this near shrine waving away
tourists - as if they did not want to draw attention to themselves.

Here is item re Soy and Archer Daniels - are these people, Archer
Daniels - in some type conspiracy to sell more slop to the public - soy
in China is for the poverty stricken - so who will eat the slop with the
pigs and the hogs and who will be eating the big steaks and real ice
cream and - well ever see that movie Soyulent Green something like that?

Strawberries are free - Rasberries too if you grown your own.Have
you seen what a little box of rasberries costs these days - $3.00.

What is Archer Daniel up to - who are they really - and I keep thinking
of the old POW camp upon which once prisoners of war roamed in green
fields with only a barbed wire fence, no guards, no guns - going on
errands to and from town - yet they bothered nobody - only to wave to a
few young girls who bicycled or rode by the site.

Saba



This web page presents some of the negative facts about soy products
that are not generally heard by vegetarians due to control of the mass
media and biased research funded or conducted by industrial concerns and
reproduce at health food shops, or in nutritional texts.

Also, due to extensive lobbying of regulatory bodies and nutritional
authorities by industrial concerns, soy products have been officially
accepted as wholesome nutritional products. When official sanction is
given to a product, it is not usually long before health magazines
funded by industrial advertising money start to promote the goods and
then dietary faddists start to promote industrial products as healthy in
turn.

You need to be aware that many scientific studies are loaded or are not
indepth enough to give useful results. It is therefore easy in some
cases to present data to support a variety of cases for soy, based on
which research you pick. Even looking at all the evidence and weeding
out the flawed research may not tell you the real picture if none of the
scientific research was long term enough, or not well controlled. Safety
studies involving laboratory animals (an absurd term) are misleading as
nutritional indicators to effects on humans. In any case, negative
results in animal research are frequently ignored in order to get goods
onto the market.
The Billion Dollar Soy Industry
Sales of soy foods increased 350 percent over the last decade to an
estimated $1.4 billion last year, according to the Soyfoods Association
of America.
Supermarket News; Vol.46, No.11; March 11, 1996; p.51.


Soy products are at the forefront of a multi billion dollar industrial
complex. According to the Wall Street Journal (October 27, 1995) Archer
Daniel Midlands, the world's major soy processor, spends very heavily on
advertising, especially for news programs on major networks. Apparantly
they spend $4.7 million for advertising on Meet The Press and $4.3
million on Face The Nation during the course of a year. ADM has
holdings in major newspapers, and the press present soy in a positive
light. ADM lobbies heavily in Washington and supports university
research programs.
Many vegetarians believe soy to be a wonder food that is ideal for
replacing meat. But VEGAN-STRAIGHT-EDGE asks:
since we are not carnivores- why do we need a high protein substitute
for meat?
soy is an agricultural product that has a history of only a few thousand
years- is it not self evident that we do not need to eat soy?
legumes, including soy are very poisonous raw- are they really food fit
for humans?
many dietary therapists are aware that some people are allergic to soy-
why is no warning put on soy products?
should we look upon soy goods as industrial chemical products or as true
food?
does soy processing introduce many toxic chemicals?

Re: [CTRL] Soy Was Used to Slop Hogs?

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/6/01 7:49:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  a huge soy beal oil tank

owned by Archer Daniel it was reported a picture of Christ had appeared

on this tank 

The wife and I once saw a picture of Jesus in some mud balls the local
children had thrown against the side of a building. We were going to set up a
toll booth and charge the faithful admission, but the maintainance dude hosed
it off.

Bill H

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Re: [CTRL] lawsuit about Penetanguishene Mental Health Centre

2001-05-06 Thread Smart News

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Dear list,

Please find info below.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick


This article may be heavy for survivors of abuse to read.


Second man permitted to join lawsuit over alleged physical, mental torture -
Jane Gadd, Courts Reporter, 5/5/01 The Ontario Superior Court has agreed to
add a second representative plaintiff to a lawsuit that alleges inmates at
Ontario's main facility for the criminally insane were physically and
mentally tortured. The $150-million lawsuit launched late last year by an
inmate of the Penetanguishene Mental Health Centre also alleges the inmates
were injected with hallucinogens by psychiatrists in an attempt to break down
their personalities.

this is the shortest url I could find

from :
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ocal%2Frealtime%2Fsearch%2Fhtml%2F20010505%2FUCOURM%2EhtmlDocOffset=1DocsFou

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Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction

2001-05-06 Thread Nessie

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This strikes me as anti-Christian disinformation.

It sounds a lot more anti-Jewish to me.

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[CTRL] Cameras Being Turned on Once-Shy C.I.A.

2001-05-06 Thread Linda Minor

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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/politics/06CIA.html

May 6, 2001


Cameras Being Turned on Once-Shy C.I.A.

By ELAINE SCIOLINO



Susana Raab for The New York Times
A C.I.A. employee, Sean Kanuck, had his hair trimmed to television
regulation length recently for a CBS pilot for a series this fall that would
tell stories of life inside The Agency.




Join a Discussion on Television





Susana Raab for The New York Times
The actors Gil Bellows and Will Patton discuss a scene for the show, which
is being filmed at C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va.






ASHINGTON, May 5 — Central Intelligence Agency headquarters is a sleepy
place most weekends, but one recent Saturday it was forced to call in dozens
of reinforcements to stave off a 20-hour siege.

The invasion was not mounted by Iraqis, North Koreans or terrorists with
phony passports but by CBS.

Swarms of producers, cameramen, soundmen, writers, technicians, makeup
artists and caterers were descending in dozens of trucks, trailers and vans.
Cries of We're locked up! and It's a cut! echoed across the secured area
in front of the main entrance.

CBS is deep into filming a pilot for a series this fall that would tell
stories of everyday life inside The Agency. So it is understandable that
CBS producers wanted to film opening scenes at the agency's headquarters in
Langley, Va.

What is surprising, perhaps, is that the C.I.A. is cooperating.

We've sort of been discovered, said Chase Brandon, a public affairs
officer and longtime agency operative who has exchanged the work of
collaborating with foreign informants for collaborating with Hollywood.

This is such a different place than what it used to be. We've got a store
and a fine arts commission and a museum. We've really become more, well,
normal in our daily course of events as we continue to remain what we are, a
secret intelligence organization helping policy makers and military planners
carry out their mission.

As part of its new mission, the C.I.A. is working regularly with filmmakers,
television producers and writers it considers sympathetic.

By doing so, it hopes both to get out what it calls the truth about the
agency and to explain to a skeptical public why, in the absence of an
overarching national enemy, it needs a budget of about $30 billion a year
for its operations and those of its sister intelligence agencies.

The C.I.A. is picky about its projects. In a written statement, George J.
Tenet, the director of central intelligence, said that the agency cooperated
where feasible to help members of the entertainment industry willing to
accurately portray the work of the intelligence community. Bill Harlow, the
agency's chief spokesman, is more specific, saying: If they appear to be
interested in accuracy, if they do not misportray the role of the agency,
and we can do so without interfering with our mission, we will consider
providing assistance. We decide on a case-by- case basis.

As a result, the C.I.A., which receives about a dozen scripts a month, has
rejected more collaborations than it has accepted. It declined to cooperate
on the film Clear and Present Danger, for example, because it linked the
agency with drug trafficking.

Critics of the agency's unwillingness to be more open scoff at the
collaboration with Hollywood. There's a big difference between openness and
P.R.; what we've got here is P.R., said Steven Aftergood, director of the
Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. All
of this perception management is probably harmless, but at best irrelevant.
Advertising and accountability are completely different things.

Collaboration with television and movies is not new to government agencies
with classified missions. As head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, J.
Edgar Hoover was extensively involved with the early television series The
F.B.I. The Pentagon has used its planes, aircraft carriers, helicopters and
troops to help filmmakers make war films more realistic, from Top Gun to
The Hunt for Red October.

But the C.I.A., governed by a culture of secrecy, was slow to get on the
bandwagon. Four years ago it created a special position in its public
affairs office to work with Hollywood and put Mr. Brandon (no longer
undercover) in the job. The real breakthrough came two years later when the
agency cooperated with the makers of the Showtime cable television channel
on In the Company of Spies.

A dream film for the C.I.A., it tells the story of a former C.I.A. covert
operator who is coaxed out of retirement to rescue a colleague imprisoned by
North Korean intelligence. At the end of the film, the president exclaims:
By God, when the agency is good, it's spectacular. And no one even knows!

The C.I.A. liked the film so much that it allowed it to be screened for the
first time in its main auditorium, sponsoring the first Hollywood premiere
in its history. 

[CTRL] Scientists see big savings in conservation of energy?

2001-05-06 Thread Aleisha Saba

-Caveat Lector-

So what else is new - how stupid can a statement be.   Even Cheny has
gone geothermal heating his house.   Is this new?

Years ago researching Camelot and King Arthur in a 70 year old
enclopedia - my Funk and Wagnall - I ran across the words Artesian Wells
and read same.   Much to my surprise, in Columbus, Ohio was an artesian
well - nobody had ever heard of it, but when I found it I was in for a
jolt.

it was on the State House grounds; it went down nearly 3,000 feet and
work had begun prior to civil war and began again in as I recall 1920
period.

At 150 feet, the water tasted like petroleum (no wonder they tried to
bury this one).the water at nearly 3,000 feet was 97 degrees.  Even
the US Geologial Branch had not heard of this well, but I ended up with
day to day drillings.

Now they speak of geothermal heating, etc...this article nearly 100
years old now, stated that Grelle France heated their entire government
and imagine cool it now, with the aid of this Artesian Well - geothermal
stuff they call it today - for evrything old is new again.

Scientists say by cutting energy we can conserve.brilliant - hey -
turn out the lights.   They fail to mention that some of this
fluroescent lighting has adverse effects of some people's eyes.ever
go into a clothing store thinking you are young and beautiful and get
aload of yourself under those fluro lights?   Almost like an X Ray?


Interesting item; dumb title - by the well, I found the precise location
of that old well and Dave Thomas, the Hamberger King had put a statute
of James Rhodes our late Govenor, upon same...so when Rhodes said
one time he knew where all the bodies were buried, he wasn't kidding.

For the is oil under our State House Grounds; but a I understand it the
Gas Companies were worried Wild Cat Get Rich One Drum a Day oil seekers
would ruin gas deposits - is this why Meyer Lansky, of the Jewish
Russian Mafia came to Columbus, Ohio inspecting the grounds for oil and
natural resources - and onto Kentucky?

Story re my Artesian Well appeared in a magazine (I got half the money
for story)someone wanted it buried, for when I looked at that Board
of Trustees for this magazine, lo and behold one Watergate Lawyer (he
won his only case, Phi Beta Kappa), one Ambassador to India former
Attorney General, and oh such people you would not believe..

So much for geothermal whatever they call that crap now.Grelle
France used it nearly 100 year ago - and if you do not believe me, Look
That Up in your Funk and Wagnall.

Mrs. Rosenberg aka Saba
(and this has to be Most Stupid Headline In all Eternity ..)

May 6, 2001
U.S. Scientists See Big Power Savings From Conservation
By JOSEPH KAHN

 The Associated Press Vice President Dick Cheney's official residence is
energy efficient.
 The Price of Power Nationwide
In California, Solar's Time to Shine (May 3, 2001)
Energy Efficiency Programs Are Set for Bush Budget Cut (April 5, 2001)
Cheney Promotes Increasing Supply as Energy Policy (May 1, 2001)
Clinton Energy-Saving Rules Are Getting a Second Look (March 31, 2001)
In the Race to Produce More Power, States Are Faced With Environmental
Tradeoffs (March 26, 2001)
Expanded Coverage
Politics: White House
Join a Discussion on President Bush's Environmental Policy
Join a Discussion on Future Energy Sources
Discuss the Bush Presidency in the Issue of the Week Forum
ASHINGTON, May 5 — Scientists at the country's national laboratories
have projected enormous energy savings if the government takes
aggressive steps to encourage energy conservation in homes, factories,
offices, appliances, cars and power plants.
Their studies, completed just before the Bush administration took
office, are at odds with the administration's repeated assertions in
recent weeks that the nation needs to build a big new power plant every
week for the next 20 years to keep up with the demand for electricity,
and that big increases in production of coal and natural gas are needed
to fuel those plants.
A lengthy and detailed report based on three years of work by five
national laboratories said that a government-led efficiency program
emphasizing research and incentives to adopt new technologies could
reduce the growth in electricity demand by 20 percent to 47 percent.
That would be the equivalent of between 265 and 610 big 300-megawatt
power plants, a steep reduction from the 1,300 new plants that the
administration predicts will be needed. The range depends on how
aggressively the government encourages efficiency in buildings,
factories and appliances, as well as on the price of energy, which
affects whether new technologies are economically attractive.
Another laboratory study found that government office buildings could
cut their own use of power by one-fifth at no net cost to the taxpayers
by adopting widespread energy conservation measures, paying for the
estimated $5 billion investment with the energy savings.
But the Bush administration, 

Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction

2001-05-06 Thread Aleisha Saba

-Caveat Lector-

What the hell do you think I have been screaming about for over 30 years
now; somebody is using the bible for ritual murder - they hold midnight
meetings and judge who will live and who will die - they come in many
colors and many disguises.

Who wrote such a terrible psalm as the one I repeat below - it is ritual
murder and a prayer for destruction and in this case it was beginning of
destruction of Kennedy brothersrecited once by Walter Lippman
who thought nobody would get on to him, in July of 1969 and with a week
JFKs only living brother almost met death on a bridge - second attempt
on his life.

Not that he did not have feet of clay and drank like fish - still,
Hanged Man Fear Death by Water and BEWARE for Lippman was CFR Rhodes
Round Table.

They want to sue somebody over south Africa look away, look away to
England and the Rhodes Round Table for they left a track and trail in
blood and  diamonds.

Mrs. Rosenberg

Read this nice psalm and who wrote this - why this is so bad the
Catholic Bible combined 108th psalm and 110th psalm, and when you read
the 110th psalm you see the heads of many countries being marked for
assassinations - by head, they mean PRESIDENTS and POPES.

So who would destroy the Church?   What now persecutes the Catholic
Church?
The enemy infiltrated this great church some time ago...

But as they say, when in Rome do as Romans.be chameleon.

The King James Bible
at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia
Psalms, psalm 109
1: Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;
2: For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are
opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
3: They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought
against me without a cause.
4: For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
5: And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
6: Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right
hand.
7: When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer
become sin.
8: Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
9: Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10: Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek
their bread also out of their desolate places.
11: Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers
spoil his labour.
12: Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be
any to favour his fatherless children.
13: Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let
their name be blotted out.
14: Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and
let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15: Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the
memory of them from the earth.
16: Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the
poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17: As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not
in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18: As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so
let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
19: Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a
girdle wherewith he is girded continually.
20: Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of
them that speak evil against my soul.
21: But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because
thy mercy is good, deliver thou me.
22: For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me.
23: I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up and
down as the locust.
24: My knees are weak through fasting; and my flesh faileth of
fatness.
25: I became also a reproach unto them: when they looked upon me they
shaked their heads.
26: Help me, O LORD my God: O save me according to thy mercy:
27: That they may know that this is thy hand; that thou, LORD, hast
done it.
28: Let them curse, but bless thou: when they arise, let them be
ashamed; but let thy servant rejoice.
29: Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover
themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.
30: I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise
him among the multitude.
31: For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from
those that condemn his soul.

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Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction II

2001-05-06 Thread Foxter




From: "YouCan'tHandleTheTruth, Mohammad"
Christians Worldwide Praying for destruction of the Arabs on the National 
Day
of Prayer
May 4, 2001
Today is the is the National Day of Prayer in America. American Christians 
and Christians all over the world are praying for the destruction of the satanic 
socialist atheist anti-Christian police state known as the "Arab World".
Christians are waking up and realizing that Atheist Islams are behind most of 
the evil in todays world. Whether your concern is the Islamic Media's non-stop 
assualt on our moral sensibilities via their anti-Christian propaganda or their 
Let's Hate Women Culture, there can be no question that these Atheist Islams are 
turning out to be a real problem for America and the world.
These Atheist Islams hate Christian America and at this point in history they 
exercise near total control over America via the politicians whom they control 
by oil prices. These Atheist Islams hate the "Real America" which is a 
"Christian America" and they are recreating America after their backward, 
atheist, discompassionate imaginations and inclinations. This New America that 
the Atheist Islams are creating will be a Bloody American Nightmare if it is not 
stopped.
These Atheist Islams hate America. They hate the "Real America" which was 
originally a "Christian Nation." American Christians who are knowledgeable in 
these matters have learned that Atheist Islams are the driving force behind our 
nations energy policy for decades. The very culture (root word "cult" = 
"religion") of our nation is intentionally being challenged and changed by our 
national energy policy.
These Atheist Islams are trying to destroy Christian America and they are 
using every avenue that they can find. For instance, they have re-written our 
nations once proud Christian history and changed it into something 
unrecognizable that makes the children in our public schools feel ashamed of 
sins that neither they nor their ancestors committed, such as refusing to run 
electricity only as a means to prevent starvation or death.
These Atheist Islams are using every weapon at their command to destroy our 
once proud Christian nation of America by destroying more than our national 
energy policy. These Atheist Islams want to replace "Homogeneous Christian 
America" with a multi-cultural, multi-religious, multi-lingual and a 
non-homogeneous, mixed up mess. Why? Because a polyglot mishmash and a 
culturally mixed up, messed up people who have no shared religious values and no 
commonly shared heritage will be incapable of unifying themselves against the 
evil designs of these Atheist Islams and the liberal international elite's who 
are their fellow travelers.
Furthermore, Christians in America are learning that it is primarily Atheist 
Islams who have financially supported and lead the organizations that do not 
support women's rights.
Atheist Islams run the Department of Energy. Atheist Islams run the groups 
agitating for male rights. Atheist Islams (they have many plants in NOW) and 
atheist Islamic politicians finance and run every anti-oil exploration group in 
our nation. Atheist Islams finance and run and or started nearly every left wing 
group that is working to destroy Christian America.
Atheist Islams provided the monetary capital to finance the atheist 
internationalist takeover of the European Nationalism and helped to advance 
international socialism around the world. They did this on the backs of our 
children who needed warm houses to live in.
Atheist Islams are the CANCER of America.
Let me restate that because I want to make sure that you got it!
Atheist Islams are the CANCER of America.
That is the main message of this missive.
{Side Bar: Note to any Christian who disagree's with this message - 
Concentrate on the facts. Just the FACTS. Show me anything that I have written 
in this letter that is "FACTUALLY WRONG." Otherwise do not bother writing to me, 
I will just junk your emails.}
Remember Christians, It was these hard hearted evil Atheist Islams who have 
been responsible for the death of Christians after 632 AD and these are the same 
type of Islams who today are ruining America. We must stop these evil Islams 
before they kill America like they have killed the European Nationalism.
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Re: [CTRL] Pray for Destruction

2001-05-06 Thread Foxter



I understand this psalm to be about David 
praying that God cream his enemies, whether God uses David or other means to do 
so. I am not antiwar so I do not see this as people performing "ritual 
murder" which as described below in midnight meetings better describes the 
pagans who met in the "groves" for sex and other purposes than a king of a 
country or people as David was. I would also say that anyone who uses 
anything as a pretext for hate and murder, whether the Bible or The Turner 
Diaries, is the problem not the written text.


  - What the hell do you think I have 
  been screaming about for over 30 yearsnow; somebody is using the bible for 
  ritual murder - they hold midnightmeetings and judge who will live and who 
  will die - they come in manycolors and many disguises.Who wrote 
  such a terrible psalm as the one I repeat below - it is ritualmurder and a 
  prayer for destructionThe King James Bibleat the Electronic 
  Text Center, University of VirginiaPsalms, psalm 109"1": Hold not thy 
  peace, O God of my praise;"2": For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth 
  of the deceitful areopened against me: they have spoken against me with a 
  lying tongue."3": They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and 
  foughtagainst me without a cause."4": For my love they are my 
  adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer."5": And they have rewarded me 
  evil for good, and hatred for my love."6": Set thou a wicked man over him: 
  and let Satan stand at his righthand."7": When he shall be judged, let 
  him be condemned: and let his prayerbecome sin."8": Let his days be 
  few; and let another take his office."9": Let his children be fatherless, 
  and his wife a widow."10": Let his children be continually vagabonds, and 
  beg: let them seektheir bread also out of their desolate places."11": 
  Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangersspoil his 
  labour."12": Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there 
  beany to favour his fatherless children."13": Let his posterity be cut 
  off; and in the generation following lettheir name be blotted 
  out."14": Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; 
  andlet not the sin of his mother be blotted out."15": Let them be 
  before the LORD continually, that he may cut off thememory of them from 
  the earth."16": Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but 
  persecuted thepoor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in 
  heart."17": As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted 
  notin blessing, so let it be far from him."18": As he clothed himself 
  with cursing like as with his garment, solet it come into his bowels like 
  water, and like oil into his bones."19": Let it be unto him as the garment 
  which covereth him, and for agirdle wherewith he is girded 
  continually."20": Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the 
  LORD, and ofthem that speak evil against my soul."21": But do thou for 
  me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: becausethy mercy is good, deliver 
  thou me."22": For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within 
  me."23": I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up 
  anddown as the locust."24": My knees are weak through fasting; and my 
  flesh faileth offatness."25": I became also a reproach unto them: when 
  they looked upon me theyshaked their heads."26": Help me, O LORD my 
  God: O save me according to thy mercy:"27": That they may know that this 
  is thy hand; that thou, LORD, hastdone it."28": Let them curse, but 
  bless thou: when they arise, let them beashamed; but let thy servant 
  rejoice."29": Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them 
  coverthemselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle."30": I 
  will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praisehim among 
  the multitude."31": For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to 
  save him fromthose that condemn his 
soul.


[CTRL] Learn from Cuba, says World Bank

2001-05-06 Thread Nessie

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[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Miners must come to realize their product is money, not jewelery

2001-05-06 Thread Kris Millegan





12:49p ET Saturday, May 5, 2001

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

There's a fine essay at Gold-Eagle by Steve Saville, writing
from Hong Kong, that concludes with a point GATA has been
making for a couple of years now, and so I can't resist
thrusting it on you:

The gold mining industry needs to wake up and
 realise that its product is money, not an industrial
 commodity. The more the miners and the World
 Gold Council try to promote gold for its jewelry or
 industrial applications, the more harm they will do
 to the gold price.

 This is because by playing up the non-monetary
 applications of gold, they are potentially reducing
 its appeal as an investment. If they really want to
 increase the overall demand for gold, they should
 talk about the great inflation that is under way in the
 United States, the consequential vulnerability of the
 dollar, and how gold can provide an effective hedge
 against the inevitable loss of confidence in financial
 assets.

 If they can't or won't do that, the next best thing for
 them to do is nothing.

I would add that, in recognizing that their product is less jewelry
than an independent form of money, miners should realize (no s
in realize in the English used in my part of the world!) that
their product competes less with diamonds and silver and platinum
and rubies and anything else that can be incorporated into baubles
and worn around the neck or wrist or on fingers than with
government-issued currencies, and that governments inevitably are
their main competitors and thus do not wish gold well. Indeed,
not wishing gold well, governments and bankers may be expected
to do harm to gold.

Of course such a realization may be terrifying to mining companies;
governments and their allies (or, as the case may be, their masters),
the bankers, are powerful. But miners have no choice; they will
realize this eventually and stand up for themselves and the great
moral virtue of their product, or they will be destroyed. They are
close to destroyed already.

GATA hopes that mining company shareholders will try to impress
this point on company managements. The World Gold Council surely
doesn't get it or simply lacks the courage to act from such an
understanding.

You can find the Saville essay here:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/milhouse050201.html

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.







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[CTRL] Fwd: Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

2001-05-06 Thread Kris Millegan







 
Online Ordering Annual Reports Board of GovernorsGeneral 
PublicationsResearch Publications 

Special Reports:Treasury and 
FXBISFMLGFXCPRC 


 
DIRECTORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF 
NEW 
YORK

 
Directors

 
Term expires 
 
Dec. 31

 
Class

 
ROBERT G. WILMERS 
 
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer 
 
Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company, 
Buffalo, 
N.Y. 
 
1995 
A 
J. WILLIAM JOHNSON 
 
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer 
 
The First National Bank of Long Island, Glen 
Head, 
N.Y. 
 
1996 
A 
J. CARTER BACOT 
 
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer 
 
The Bank of New York, New York, N.Y. 
 
1997 
A 
WILLIAM C. STEERE, JR. 
 
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer 
 
Pfizer Inc., New York, N.Y. 
 
1995 
B 
SANDRA FELDMAN (Resigned April 
1996) 
President 
 
United Federation of Teachers, New York, N.Y. 
 
1996 
B 
EUGENE R. McGRATH 
 
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer 
 
Consolidated Edison Company of New York, 
Inc., 
New York, N.Y. 
 
1997 
B 
HERBERT L. WASHINGTON 
 
Owner 
 
HLW Fast Track, Inc., Rochester, N.Y. 
 
1995 
C 
JOHN C. WHITEHEAD, Deputy Chairman 
 
Chairman 
 
AEA Investors Inc., New York, N.Y. 
 
1996 
C 
MAURICE R. GREENBERG, Chairman 
and 
Federal Reserve Agent 
 
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer 
 
American International Group, Inc., New York, 
N.Y. 
1997 
C



 
Directors-Buffalo Branch 

 
GEORGE W. HAMLIN 
IV 
President and Chief Executive Officer 
 
The Canandaigua National Bank and Trust Company, 
Canandaigua, 
N.Y. 
 
1995 
F.C. 
RICHARDSON


[CTRL] Fwd: THE MOST KNOWING, POLITICAL BOOKS ONLINE

2001-05-06 Thread Kris Millegan





We in L.A. who listen to KFWB-FM and the ROY TUCHMAN show at midnight,
at 90.7 on the dial...know about this TOM DAVIS bookstore for decades.
You really want to study its catalogues if you want the classic books
that tell where all the bones are buried. TOM DAVIS is at:
http://www.tomdavisbooks.com/

If you can't find what you crave cheaply enough there, compare the
prices here to the e-malls for used books at two used book sites, where
the diff stores list prices to they're COMPETING for your dollar.

http://www.abebooks.com
and
http://bibliofind.com
and they aid you in leaping to the bookstore online, so you can
communiate with them..





[CTRL] Russian EMP Attack On U.S. In '98

2001-05-06 Thread William Shannon
http://www.sightings.com/general10/russh.htm




US Said Threatened By 
Russian EMP Attack In 1998

Insight Magazine.com

5-5-1

Comment   
From Ted Twietmeyer

5-5-1   

Hi - First let me state, that overall you carry the hottest and most accurate 
news of things I've seen yet. But the single-bomb EMP threat is only 
partially true. As someone who spent 20+ years as a DoD contractor, I can 
tell you that such a high altitude burst will only be affective to a few 
square miles below the detonation point.
   

Yes, it would knock out power and communications. It also does much more - it 
induces approximately 1,000 volts/foot in any metallic object. But remember 
this is a pulse of only 1 nanosecond duration ! You wouldn't even feel it. 
Your nerves need several milliseconds to even begin to respond with pain or 
pleasure. And since this is a microwave frequency pulse, microwave 
propagation rules apply. This means the transmission line theory also 
applies. And the human body is a terrible transmission line !   

As for the pulse, yes, at high altitude it causes an avalanche of electrons. 
It has been estimated it will be a 1 gigawatt+ pulse. This is will penetrate 
the smallest spaces between sheets of aluminum in an aircraft, and fry the 
wiring and electronics at each end. So besides the power and communications 
going down - so will aircraft - falling like rocks from the sky. Anything 
electronic - planes, cars, trucks, buses, boats, etc. will ALL be permanently 
damaged and non-functional.   

But this is only within a few miles of the burst. I don't use the term 
"ground zero" since it occurs several miles up.   

And here's something you also probably don't know about: the Navy STILL HAS 
on their ships, radar based on vacuum tubes. Why? Because they are resistant 
to EMP pulses. Vacuum tubes are almost indestructible (except when a hammer 
is involved.)   

Just though some additional facts would be useful to you. Sincerely- Ted ---
     

WASHINGTON, DC - Investigative reporter Kenneth R. Timmerman reveals in the 
upcoming issue of Insight Magazine a little-known threat by top Russian 
officials in 1999 to explode a nuclear weapon high in the atmosphere over 
America, to knock out the U.S. power and communications grid.   

The threat was delivered by the third-ranking Communist Party leader and a 
top Duma leader and former Soviet ambassador to the United States during 
negotiations over an international settlement to NATO's air war against 
Yugoslavia during the Kosovo crisis in 1999.   

U.S. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R, MD), who was present when the threat was made, 
tells Insight: "This is a much more serious threat than the Chinese 
threatening Los Angeles or New York during the Taiwan Straight Crisis in 
1996."   

Whereas the United States as a nation could survive a nuclear attack on 
individual cities, "it would be very difficult to live without power, 
communications and computers anywhere in America," Bartlett said. "A nuclear 
EMP attack would bring us to our knees as a nation."   

Insight also reveals Russia's proliferation of similar weapons, known as 
High-Powered Microwave (HPM) and radio-frequency (RF) weapons to China and 
rogue nations, who could use them to disable U.S. civilian infrastructure in 
a terrorist attack.   


Insight reveals that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will soon name 9 
members of a newly-created Commission to study the EMP threat, mandated by 
Congress last year.


   For more details or interviews, contact Donna Harkin, Insight editorial 
desk: 202-636-8805, or e-mail Kenneth Timmerman: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  




[CTRL] Brazil Feels the Impact of Colombia's Drug War~~STRATFOR

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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 Brazil Feels the Impact of Colombia's Drug War
04 May 2001

Summary
Brazil has entered into a partnership with the European aerospace group EADS
in order to combat spillover from the Colombian conflict into the Amazon.
The recent increase in cooperation between the Brazilian military and
non-U.S. companies is part of a larger plan to bolster Brazil's police and
military capabilities. At the same time, Brasilia wants to keep the United
States out of Brazil's highly coveted Amazon region.

Analysis

Brazil recently increased cooperation with non-U.S. companies to bolster
Brazil's military capability in the Amazon region. The Brazilian military is
attempting to improve its ability to respond to the possible migration of
the conflict in Colombia to Brazil's Amazon jungle. At the same time, the
government wants to prevent the United States from interfering in Brazil's
important Amazon region.

The European aerospace group EADS announced April 26 it will enter into a
partnership with the Brazilian military and police. The same day, a
delegation from the Russian arms company Rosoboronexport met with top
Brazilian military leaders to discuss the acquisition of heavy troop
transport helicopters as well as other military hardware.

The Brazilian government fears the U.S.-supported Plan Colombia, aimed at
cracking down on Colombian drug traffickers and producers, will ultimately
force the drug trade into the Brazilian Amazon.

Gen. Alberto Cardoso, the chief security advisor in Brazil, made clear the
government's position when he stated, Colombia is causing the biggest worry
... our attention is dedicated to the effects it could have on Brazil, like
the flight of guerrillas and the transfer of drug laboratories and
plantations, reported Reuters Aug. 29, 2000. The Brazilian Federal Police
believe international narcotics trafficking organizations may be trying to
build cocaine-processing laboratories in the Amazon region because of the
availability of chemicals needed to process the cocaine.


Brazilian soldiers stage a simulation battle
in Manaus, Amazon, Oct. 19, 2000.


Since its inception as a nation in 1822, Brazil has pursued the development
of the nation's interior. The capital of Brazil was moved in 1960 from the
coastal city of Rio de Janeiro to the more internally located Brasilia.
Since that time, the government has built new transportation routes, which
have helped bring commerce and settlement to Brazil's interior; most
Brazilians, however, still live along the Atlantic coast. The Amazon region
remains largely undeveloped and untouched by the Brazilian government. But
Brasilia wants to more effectively utilize the Amazon's resources and
control the wide variety of illegal activities, from drug trafficking to
illegal mining.

Brazil has been Plan Colombia's loudest South American critic. Therefore,
Colombia's largest guerrilla group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of
Colombia (FARC), wants to avoid angering Brazil. Guerrilla leaders have
repeatedly assured the Brazilian government that FARC forces will stay out
of Brazilian territory. This promise has turned out to be a hollow one as
the conflict has already seeped through the Colombian borders.

Brazil fears losing its Amazonian resources to foreign interests. Various
nations - including the United States, religious groups and international
environmental groups - have voiced their opinions on how Brazil should
manage the Amazon. And Brazil is still smarting from the looting of its
natural resources, from the British taking its rubber trees to
pharmaceutical companies obtaining medicines. In response, Brazilians have
tried to increase control over the rights to their unique and valuable
natural resources.

Brasilia has resisted involvement in Plan Colombia, in part because it is
concerned the United States will exert too much influence in Brazilian
territory. This may cause Brasilia to lose control over its drug policy and
perhaps even limit its sovereignty over highly valued Amazon rain forest.

Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso said Plan Colombia has
nothing to do with Brazil, reported The Associated Press. But security on
the border is increasing. For instance, Brazil stepped up security operation
along its border with Colombia in September 2000. The operation, Plan Cobra,
saw the addition of 200 federal police and an undisclosed number of military
personnel. Since then, President Cardoso has added two separate sets of
6,000 troops to the border region. As the Colombian pressure cooker expands
beyond the borders, Brazil will inevitably find itself involved in Plan
Colombia.

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[CTRL] - Foot Mouth (Hoof and Mouth) Disease

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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 {{Forwarded from another list.  I have left some of the forwarding info as
source in the event anybody wants to contact list, etc. I am fairly certain
FM is a dietary deficiency amd Mad Cow a result of using organophosphate
insecticides along the spine of the cattle combined with the 'cannibal' food
being fed to these animals.  Probably dietary defeciencies in MC, too.  I
have also wondered about the effects of the chemstrail spraying on grazing
animals.  Are they eating barrium and aluminum and who knows what else?
Almost every disease in livestock has traditionally been treated with an
adjustment in diet and nutrition.  Is this the International part of Tyson
Foods, International, at work? AKE}}

 Subject: FMD
 Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:24:25 -0400
 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400

 Dear Sir,
 You are parroting medical quack, government sourced, propaganda.
 Here are the facts on Foot and Mouth Disease. Facts that were demonstrated
 back in the 1920s and  '30s, in England, India and the USA:
 1. FMD is not an infectious disease.
 2. FMD is a harmless, self limiting cold that ill fed, overworked,
poorly
 cared for cows come down with that clears up by itself, goes away and
 has no effect on the meat or milk.
 3. FMD is not a transmissable disease - if you believe that one you
 probably also believe the AIDS nonsense, that could be very dangerous.
 4. In case you are not aware of the facts on Mad Cow Disease, it is also
 a non infectious disease, it was caused by the feed used. The large feed
 companies are fueling the virus hunt nonsense to keep the heat off them.
 If the real truth ever comes out, the farmers in Europe will be looking
for
 some scalps, several of them committed suicide over this or were you not
 aware of that?
 5. I am enclosing a response to a letter I wrote to the British Medical
Journal
 written by a well informed Brit of which there are few these days.


 In re to your specific remarks:

 the virus that has ravaged Europe with the dreaded
 foot-and-mouth disease - Not true because it is not caused by a virus

 It is highly contagious among animals - Not true because it is not
contagious

 Terry Conger, a veterinarian with the Texas
 Animal Health Commission, said...Once it got into the deer and or feral
swine,
 they could serve as a reservoir for the disease and perpetuate the
 infection even after we
 eradicated it from our domestic livestock,  Not true, this guy doesn't
 know his animal husbandry history, he doesn't belong in public service

 Here is the response to my letter to the BMJ on FMD:
 Re: Hoof And Mouth Is Not A Transmissable Disease 16 March 2001
 http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/322/7286/565#EL7276ea7.gif 276ead.gif
 http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/322/7286/565#top276eb1.gif

 John P. Heptonstall,
 Director of the Morley Acupuncture Clinic and Complementary Therapy Centre
 West Yorks

 Send response to journal:

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outh+Is+Not+A+Transmissable+DiseaseRe:
 Re: Hoof And Mouth Is Not A Transmissable Disease

 Email John P. Heptonstall:

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 Editor

 Dr. Duffy states that Foot  Mouth (Hoof and Mouth) Disease (FMD)is not a
 transmissible disease; he mentions research in the USA said to have proved
 this, his statement appears to have been ignored by respondents
 sufficiently aroused about the issue to comment, yet apparently not enough
 to question the validity of Dr Duffy's information, why? He says that FMD
 is caused by improper feeds, not bacteria and viruses, which reminds one
of
 the BSE scandal. Surely respondents must question this heresy?

 If government is right, Dr. Duffy is wrong.

 If government is wrong it condones, through ill-conceived and unscientific
 evidence, the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands of healthy, and
 recovering, animals; they are destroying countless businesses, lives,
 aspirations, dedication and hard work with their current policies.

 If Dr Duffy is right, his words amplify those of Abigail Wood, vet and
 researcher from the University of Macnchester, of whom I read today.
 According to the author, Abigail believes (rather like another eminent
 observer, Jonathan Miller) that FMD is little more than an animal 'cold'.
 Animals recover in a week or two, death occurs in about 5% of cases, the
 meat is fit to eat. For much of the 19th Century FMD was common across the
 UK, endemic, it did not destroy farming. Wood says The instant
destruction
 policy was implemented in the 1950s by the UK governing bodies as a result
 of growing pressure over the years from pedigree herd owners who wished to
 see FMD eradicated. Eventually the rest of Europe followed this practice.
 We live with the results. In today's intensive farming climate,
production
 and global reputation is everything; along with a desire for the perfect
 pedigree, a 

[CTRL] HOT FLASH!! MILITARY EXERCISES POSE FOOT AND MOUTH THREAT TO TEXAS AGRICULTURE

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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{{If FM is a virus, this should certainly bring it into this country.  What
an odd exercise, anyway!  Our milkitary is a big mercenary school. Amelia}}


HOT FLASH!! MILITARY EXERCISES POSE FOOT AND MOUTH THREAT TO TEXAS
AGRICULTURE


Texas ag officials, U.S. Army at odds over military exercise
Updated: 5/3/01 11:47 AM
By: Bob Branson and Michael Pearson
http://www.news8austin.com/story.asp?ArID=5900

Alarmed Texas agriculture officials are trying to dissuade the U.S. Army
from putting the state's $80 billion agricultural economy in peril from an
unseen enemy - the virus that has ravaged Europe with the dreaded
foot-and-mouth disease.

News 8 Austin has learned that Texas Agricultural Commissioner Susan Combs,
a Republican, has been in talks with the White House and the Pentagon
trying to ensure the safety of Operation Roving Sands, an annual military
exercise where mostly-American troops in Europe land on the Texas coast and
march all the way to El Paso.

Her concern is that the boots of thousands of troops and tons of military
equipment used in the fields and pastures of Europe may carry the
foot-and-mouth disease virus to Texas infecting livestock and wildlife.

To find that we were planning to bring equipment from countries with
hoof-and-mouth, land them here on the Gulf Coast of Texas in the wet area
which is where the virus breeds and lasts longer, drive them across the
cattle country of Texas to New Mexico, I thought was ill-advised, Combs
said.

In the Britain alone, more 2 million animals have been destroyed in efforts
to contain the foot-and-mouth virus, which causes painful blisters on the
hooves and mouth of livestock and wildlife that eventually leads to weight
loss and death. It is highly contagious among animals. The disease does not
affect humans.

All told, nearly 25,000 military personnel, most of them Americans, will
take part in Operation Roving Sands, an operation for training to stop
military aggression. They are coming from Britain, the Netherlands and
Germany.

And even while tourists returning from Europe are having their bags
searched and their shoes washed with bleach to kill any hidden virus,
hundreds of military trucks and other military vehicles and 17 containers
the size of semi-trailers are being loaded onto ships bound for Texas.

Britain, which has more than 1,500 cases of foot-and-mouth diseased, is
sending 51 military vehicles, 30 trailers and four cargo containers of
military equipment, along with 294 personnel. The Netherlands, where there
are 23 cases of the deadly animal disease, is sending 293 military vehicles
and 367 personnel. Germany, where so far foot-and-mouth disease has not
been found, is sending 66 vehicles, 13 cargo containers and 295 military
personnel. The remaining personnel are American soldiers stationed in those
countries.

The Texas state epidemiologist also is expressing alarm.

We are certainly concerned about military vehicles and personnel, and
certainly the awareness is heightened. But we have no direct control. All
we can do is plead our case, Terry Conger, a veterinarian with the Texas
Animal Health Commission, said.

Agriculture, the second biggest industry in Texas, generates $80 billion a
year. So Commissioner Combs has been pleading her case to the White House.
When asked how the White House reacted, Combs said: Surprise, incredulity,
couldn't believe it. And I was thanked for giving them a heads-up.

The military is aware of the risks. In an April 6 memorandum to All
military personnel, federal inspectors issued new guidelines, including:


All military rolling stock ...must be thoroughly cleaned.

Military goods must be free of soil, manure and debris.

Any military equipment used in FMD eradication efforts...will not be
allowed entry into the United States.


In Austin, the USDA's Plant Protection and Quarantine head said the long
sea voyage could help make things safer.

The virus becomes ineffective after a certain length of time. It's exposed
to different ph levels, or things in a two-week voyage over here, the risk
would just continually go down. And we will re-inspect at the port of entry
and if there's any soil will be refused entry, so all those things together
I think we're doing the best job we can, Joe Davidson said.

If the virus were to get into Texas, domestic livestock would suffer, but
the real threat would come from wildlife. There are nearly 4 million deer
and between 2 million and 4 million feral hogs in Texas. They roam free and
could shed the foot-and-mouth disease wherever they went.

Once it got into the deer and or feral swine, they could serve as a
reservoir for the disease and perpetuate the infection even after we
eradicated it from our domestic livestock, Conger said.

In spite of concerns voiced by the Texas Agriculture Department, the Army
says Operation Roving Sands will not be changed from the way it is planned.

That was maybe yesterday. I would take a look at today, Combs said,
adding 

Re: [CTRL] SNET: Carbon Dioxide Levels Key To Global Warming Predictions (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread William Bacon

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visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904

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Subject: Re: SNET: Carbon Dioxide Levels Key To Global Warming  Predictions
(fwd)

Hello all! My comment is so what? I thought most people PREFERRED warmer
weather! What about volcanoes? One eruption of a volcano produces a lot of
alleged GREENHOUSE GASES Besides all of these environmental regulations
coming from the FEDERAL EPA (an unconstitutional agency created by an
unconstitutional executive order) are unconstitional! And should I say any
all regulations that prevent exploration and development of oil, gas or
any other meineral anywhere in the United States are also unconstitutional
and therefore null and void?? For example, where in the constition does it
give the regulation of exploration of oil and natural gas in Alaska to the
Federal Government? I say the 10th amendment gives that authjority to the
state of Alaska!

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
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Steve, if you are into Prof. Hapsgood's theory of crustal displacement for
explaining the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago, and the research
of ZECHARIA SITCHIN, then you would have to agree that with the ending of
the very last ice age which resulted in incredible rapid melting of
glaciers over North America, Europe, and norther Eurasia had nothing to do
with CO2 levels. It had to do with land masses being shifted out of the
artic circle region (or in the case of Anartica, being shifted more into
the anartic circle region).

More and more scientific findings are coming to align with catastrophism as
the explanation of the most interesting features of Earth's geography and
geology -- not gradualism.

The build up of CO2 gases and normal global warming theory are theories
stemming from the paradigm of gradualism. Yet the more honestly and
carefully one looks at Earth's past geologic history, it is catastrophism
which is the paradigm that better explains things.

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[CTRL] FBI Meddles in Church Bombing Prosecution

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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{{After J. Edgar closed this case against Blanton, it took 40 years to get
them to reopen it and produce the tape, etc.  Attorney General Bill Baxley
has once again expressed his outrage at this. FBI has No comment. But now,
during this Blanton trial, it comes out that the FBI fabricated evidence
against Chambliss in 1977!  And the bomb apparently exploded at the wrong
time~~or did it??  So why was the FBI so desperate to convict Chambliss and
refused to do so with Blanton and Cherry?  Could this agency have been
behind the bombing in the first place or at least co-conspirator with
Blanton and Cherry?  In any event, the FBI has its fingerprints all over the
whole sorry mess. So maybe they have a history of 'assisting' in explosions
ala OK City.  Amelia}}

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Blanton case raises new questions about Chambliss' 1977 trial for church
bombing

By JAY REEVES
The Associated Press
5/5/01 12:01 PM


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- The prosecution's evidence against Thomas Blanton
Jr. led jurors to convict the one-time Ku Klux Klansman in the 1963 church
bombing that killed four black girls. But the trial had another, unintended
effect.

It raised questions among some about an earlier conviction in the bombing of
the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, that of former Klansman Robert
Chambliss in 1977.

During the pretrial maneuvering in the Blanton case, the government admitted
that a key witness against Chambliss -- his niece -- had been untruthful to
investigators in 1964. But in 1977, the Chambliss jury and his defense
lawyers didn't know of the earlier lie, which could have been used to damage
her credibility.

Testimony and evidence about the bomb itself also varied greatly in the two
trials. In the Blanton case, the FBI acknowledged it knew virtually nothing
about the makeup of the bomb; in 1977, prosecutors attempted to show it was
dynamite rigged to detonate with a fishing bobber.

Chambliss was convicted of murder and died in prison in 1985 proclaiming his
innocence until the end. Known around Birmingham as a vile racist even
before the bombing, he has few, if any, public defenders.

Former Attorney General Bill Baxley, who prosecuted Chambliss, said Friday
he remains absolutely confident Chambliss was guilty. More so than ever,
he said.

Even Blanton's attorney, John Robbins, avoided direct criticism of the 1977
prosecution, which helped lay the groundwork for his own client's
conviction.

I know some questionable things came out during the course of this trial
concerning that case, but I'm not here to defend Bob Chambliss, Robbins
said in an interview.

The jury said he did it, Robbins said. I respect the jury's decision in
that.

Still, evidence in the Blanton case cast an unflattering light on some of
the most important testimony used to tie Chambliss to the bombing:

--A star witness against Chambliss, Elizabeth Cobbs, was acknowledged by
prosecutors in the latest trial to have been untruthful to investigators
before taking the stand in 1977.

During the trial, she testified that Chambliss, her uncle, had made
incriminating statements about the explosion. It wasn't meant to hurt
anybody. It didn't go off when it was supposed to, Cobbs quoted Chambliss
as saying days after the bombing.

But jurors in the Chambliss trial didn't know that Cobbs had once claimed to
have seen Chambliss, Blanton and two other Klansmen, Bobby Frank Cherry and
Herman Cash, in a car near the church around the time the bomb was
supposedly planted. She later recanted that statement.

Chambliss' lawyers didn't know about the lie, and neither did jurors. Laws
at the time did not require prosecutors to divulge such evidence to the
defense, and it wasn't until later that Chambliss' lawyers learned of Cobbs'
untruths, which could have impeached her testimony.

Defense attorneys in the case this year cited Cobbs' fabrication in asking a
judge to dismiss the latest charges. Prosecutors acknowledged the falsehood,
but the court refused to dismiss the case.

--Prosecutors in 1977 claimed the bomb was made of dynamite, linking the
explosion to Chambliss at least symbolically because of his nickname:
Dynamite Bob. There was testimony in both the Chambliss and Blanton trials
from people who said a smell of dynamite hung in the air after the blast.

But Charles Killion, a retired FBI bomb expert who was active in the
original investigation, testified during the Blanton trial that
investigators did not know what kind of explosive was used.

While the bomb was likely dynamite or a material called safety fuse, Killion
testified, it also could have been made of any of a number of other high
explosives including TNT, nitroglycerin or the plastic explosive C-4.

--In the Chambliss trial, the government claimed the bomb was triggered with
a device that included a fishing bobber which was found outside the church
after the blast. The theory meshed with a statement Chambliss once made
about using a 

[CTRL] Investigation underway into mass grave found in Peru

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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© 2001 Alabama Live, LLC
Investigation underway into mass grave found in Peru
The Associated Press
5/5/01 9:40 PM
LIMA, Peru (AP) -- Authorities on Saturday traveled to a remote Andean
village to investigate a grave containing at least 20 bodies thought to have
been killed during a brutal war between Peru's military and leftist
guerrillas in the 1980s.

Residents of Capaya, a tiny community that was caught in the crossfire
between rebels and soldiers, say they found the grave more than three years
ago on the grounds of a former military encampment when they began digging
to expand the hamlet's church.

Local authorities belief there are three more mass graves nearby, each with
a similar number of bodies, regional ombudsman Silvio Campana said.

But villagers kept the discovery secret out of fear. Campana opened an
investigation last week after receiving confidential information from a
resident.

We saw the remains of at least 20 humans. It frightened us and we decided
to stop the church expansion, Capaya mayor Eber Bonifacio told newspaper El
Comercio.

A team of Peruvian forensic anthropologists set out Saturday morning from
the provincial capital of Abancay to the remote farming community 280 miles
southeast of Lima, expecting to make the final leg on horseback.

The war between Peru's military and Maoist Shining Path and pro-Cuban Tupac
Amaru Revolutionary Movement rebels left 30,000 people dead and thousand
more missing before the rebels were largely defeated in the early 1990s.

Similar mass graves have been found in Peru over the past decade.

Authorities would not say whether they thought the military or guerrillas
were responsible for the bodies. The military and Shining Path rebels both
regularly attacked communities seen as sympathetic to the other side.

The army established a makeshift outpost at Capaya in 1987 to fight
guerrilla activity in the area but disbanded the operation in 1991.


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[CTRL] Fw: Senate Obstruction

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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Subject: Senate Obstruction
 CONGRESS ACTION: May 6, 2001

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 SENATE OBSTRUCTION: Unknown to most  Americans, the last election brought
 two new, yet immensely influential, members  into the United States
Senate,
 who will play a decisive role in determining  whether the Bush presidency
 succeeds or fails, whether the Bush presidency will  mark a new beginning
 to the revitalization of our American Constitutional  republic, or whether
 it will simply be a waste of four years until democrats  regain control
 over the federal government. These two new Senators are  democrats. Their
 names are Senator Delay and Senator Obstruct.

 To date, President Bush has submitted to the Senate 10 nominees for
 positions  in the Justice Department. The Senate Judiciary Committee has
 held hearings on  five of those nominees, and the Senate has confirmed
only
 one -- John Ashcroft  as Attorney General. It appears that the democrats
on
 the Judiciary Committee  intend to obstruct the confirmation process
 indefinitely, as they promised to do  ever since Bush was elected (It's
 war, proclaimed Senator Barbara Boxer), and  the obstruction will only
get
 worse when Bush starts submitting judicial  nominees. The democrats
 demonstrated their obstructionism by walking out of this  week's committee
 hearings on the nominations of Theodore Olson for the post of  Solicitor
 General and Larry Thompson for the post of Deputy Attorney General,
 leaving the committee short a quorum and unable to operate. That's what
 Majority  Leader Trent Lott gets for his early gesture of bipartisanship
in
 allowing  democrats equal seats on Senate committees. As the 2002 election
 nears, we will  no doubt see media reports about a do-nothing republican
 Senate that is unfit  to govern because it cannot get its work done.

 There is one additional influential Senator on the Judiciary Committee, a
 republican joining the new democrat Senators Delay and Obstruct in their
 agenda  to undermine and destroy the Bush presidency. His name is Arlen
 Specter. In  March, President Bush took the long overdue step of ending
the
 special veto  power held by the left-wing American Bar Association over
the
 judicial  nominating process. Specter wants the ABA's power restored.
 Specter is quoted in  Roll Call as claiming that the ABA serves a very
 useful purpose in evaluating  potential demeanor of judicial candidates.
 One would probably have to go back  at least a generation to find a single
 conservative jurist whose demeanor the  ABA approved of, or a single
 left-wing activist judge whose demeanor they  found objectionable.

 ABOVE THE LAW: Try as we might, the nation  simply can't seem to get
beyond
 the trash left behind by the former Clinton  administration, trash far
more
 serious than the juvenile vandalism of government  offices by Clinton
 staffers.

 When the Clinton administration turned its attention to the level of
 arsenic  in drinking water, there was little scientific data on the
matter.
 At the  extremes, too much arsenic causes death; at somewhat lower levels,
 it causes  various types of cancers; and at some low levels, it is
actually
 beneficial to  humans. The latter is known as the Hormesis Effect, which
 says that at certain  low levels, normally harmful chemicals (and perhaps
 also some types of low level  radiation, although that hypothesis is
 disputed) are beneficial. The issues then  become, how much do we need,
and
 how much is too much? Since 1942, the maximum  level of arsenic permitted
 in drinking water in the United States has been 50  parts per billion
 (ppb). In 1988, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)  studied the
risk
 of arsenic in drinking water, and arrived at several  conclusions: There
is
 #8230;epidemiological evidence of an association between  inorganic
 arsenic and internal cancers, but that more studies are needed to
 determine if arsenic is a nutritional requirement in humans. And the
 existence  of a nutritional essentiality of trace amounts of inorganic
 arsenic would  affect any interpretation of the health risks at low
 exposure levels. That is,  removal of all arsenic from drinking water
 could actually be harmful since it  appears that we do need some in our
 diet for good health: #8230;below a certain  threshold, arsenic is not
 harmful but needed. Since that 1988 study, further  evidence has come out
 throwing the data used in that study into doubt, and there  is
 #8230;additional uncertainty to the sources used in the EPA report.

 In 1996, the EPA requested that the National Research Council (NRC) review
 the arsenic toxicity data and evaluate the scientific validity of EPA's
 1988  risk assessment. In 1999, the NRC released its study. The first
 recommendation  of the new NRC study was that additional#8230;
 evaluations are needed to  characterize the dose-response relationship for
 arsenic-associated cancer and  noncancer end points, especially at low
 doses. 

[CTRL] Fw Soy Was Used to Slop Hogs?

2001-05-06 Thread Amelia

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As a child, I was taught that soy was unfit for human consumption.  Although
it was grown on family farm, it was never harvested and instead, young
calves were turned loose in the soy field periodically.  Very expensive feed
for cattle but I suspect there was a subsidy for having so many acres under
cultivation in this crop being pushed by the govt.  I never did believe it
was good for humans.

But it was from G. Gordon Liddy that I learned that margarine with its
transfatty acids will kill you.  Try feeding it as suet to the birds and
they will NOT eat it. That was another scheme of government plus big
business.  Ditto the useless rape seed of canola oil.

All these things are pushed as 'health' foods or at least a more healthy
alternative in their initial thrust upon we the unsuspecting.  Add GM to
this and we are left with little food that has not been altered,
contaminated, irradiated or is outright poison!   Are the Soylant Green
wafers next?
Amelia

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[CTRL] Tribulation and Wrath

2001-05-06 Thread The Extremist

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May 5, 2001
Dear Newswatch Magazine Listeners/Readers:

According to Daniel's prophecy, Jesus would come on the scene and die
without receiving His kingdom. Then the prince [Roman General] that would
come later would destroy the sanctuary and stop the daily sacrifices. I
will now quote from the New International Version, Dan. 9:26-27. After the
sixty-two sevens, the Anointed One will be cut off and HAVE NOTHING [Jesus
did not establish His kingdom]. The people [Romans] of the ruler who will
come will destroy the city [happened in 70 AD] and the sanctuary. [Now the
prophecy skips to the END]. The END will come like a flood: War will
continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He [END TIME
anti-christ] will confirm a covenant [peace treaty guaranteeing the safety
of Israel for the rebuilding of the Temple and reinstitution of animal
sacrifices] with many for one SEVEN, but in the MIDDLE of that seven [or 3
1/2] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And one who causes
DESOLATION will PLACE ABOMINATIONS on a wing of the temple UNTIL the END
that is decreed is poured out on him.

Here we see conclusively that Christians will be on earth to SEE the
abomination of desolations set up IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEVEN YEARS CALLED
THE TRIBULATION PERIOD. No pre-tribulation rapture again. Rev. 11:2-3;
13:5; Dan. 12:7 all verify this same 3 1/2 year period at the VERY END
after which Jesus smashes the Beast and his system.

MORE OF JESUS' WORDS
When this abomination of desolation is set up in the temple 3 1/2 years
into the 7 year period, the heavy tribulation will start (Matt. 24:15-22).
Now notice Jesus' words again: IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE
DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken: And THEN [immediately after the tribulation - NOT IMMEDIATELY
BEFORE AS THE SECRET RAPTURISTS SAY] shall appear the sign of the Son of
man in heaven:...and they shall SEE the Son of man COMING [PAROUSIA, but
AFTER the tribulation] in the clouds with power and great glory. AND HE
SHALL SEND HIS ANGELS WITH A GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET, and they shall
gather together his ELECT from the four winds... (Matt. 24:29-31).

Rev. 6:12-16, ...when he had opened the sixth seal,...a great
earthquake;...the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon
became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth...the heaven
departed as a scroll...and every mountain and island were moved out of
their places... Here we see the heavenly signs PRECEDING the return of Jesus.

SO FAR Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 go hand-in-hand. They BOTH teach that
saints will GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION.

WHAT IS THE TRIBULATION?
Theologians have wrongfully thought that the tribulation is God's wrath,
and God has NOT appointed us to His wrath. They are RIGHT that we are not
appointed to His wrath, BUT THE TRIBULATION IS NOT GOD'S WRATH!!! Rev.
12:9-17, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with himWoe to the inhabiters of
the earth and of the sea! for the DEVIL is come down unto you, having GREAT
WRATH, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time [to claim to be god
and rule the world through the anti-christ]. And...the dragon...PERSECUTED
the woman [church, still on earth, and Israel] which brought forth the man
child [Jesus]. This END TIME persecuting power will bring WRATH by the
power of Satan. Notice what this power does: v. 17, went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the
TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ. Christians being persecuted during the WRATH of
Satan.

WRATH OF GOD
Christians will NOT be subject to the wrath of God. While we will go
THROUGH the tribulation, which is Satan's wrath, Jesus will COME
[parousia], APPEAR [Epiphaneia], be REVEALED [apokalupsis] AFTER the first
six seals and during the seventh seal of Revelation

After the sixth seal in Revelation 6, we read v. 17: For the GREAT DAY OF
HIS [God's] WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand? Following are
SEVEN trumpets. Paul said we would be CAUGHT UP at the LAST trump. Rev.
11:15,18, And the seventh angel sounded; ...and THY [God's] wrath is
COME...thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to
the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great.

Jesus will come IN THE CLOUDS and the angels will catch up the saints to
what looks like a sea of glass. Rev. 15:1-2, ...seven angels having the
seven LAST PLAGUES; for in them is filled up the WRATH of God. And I saw as
it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and THEM that had gotten the
victory over the beast...STAND ON THE SEA OF GLASS. God's wrath is on the
Beast!

WILL YOU PREPARE TO FACE SATAN'S WRATH? IT WILL COME QUICKLY!!!

Sincerely,
David J. Smith
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Re: [CTRL] McVeigh's Lawyer Says Bombing Was Conspiracy

2001-05-06 Thread Ted Saari
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[CTRL] HAARP: WEATHER, POPULATION, MIND CONTROL

2001-05-06 Thread William Shannon
http://www.geocities.com/brojongazette/frontpage/bj040501.html



HAARP: WEATHER, POPULATION, MIND CONTROL 
- And the Educational-Research Complex 

— BJNews by Marshall Smith

      The HAARP (High frequency Active Auroral Research Program) transmitter 
is operated jointly by the U.S. Navy, Air Force and several universities and 
is located in Gakona, eastern Alaska.       

Since the publication of the previous article, "HAARP, Now Running at Full 
Power," many readers asked, "but what is HAARP doing with weather 
modification, mind control and those other strange experiments?" Some people 
have heard HAARP is being used to modify the atmosphere, affect the weather, 
repair the ozone layer or even control the jet-stream. Other people believe 
there is a world-wide network of HAARP transmitters to send out waves which 
can affect brain cells and control human behavior. Others believe the HAARP 
transmitter can emulate terrestrial waves which can produce earthquakes. The 
many stories about HAARP activities are too long to list here, but the 
primary question is: Are any of them true? And the answer is, NO! At least 
those activities are not occurring at HAARP.

--attached file-
http://www.geocities.com/brojongazette/frontpage/bj040501.htmlHAARP: WEATHER, POPULATION, MIND CONTROL  - And the Educational-Research Complex   — BJNews by Marshall Smith    The HAARP (High frequency Active Auroral Research Program) transmitter is operated jointly by the U.S. Navy, Air Force and several universities and is located in Gakona, eastern Alaska.     Since the publication of the previous article, "HAARP, Now Running at Full Power," many readers asked, "but what is HAARP doing with weather modification, mind control and those other strange experiments?" Some people have heard HAARP is being used to modify the atmosphere, affect the weather, repair the ozone layer or even control the jet-stream. Other people believe there is a world-wide network of HAARP transmitters to send out waves which can affect brain cells and control human behavior. Others believe the HAARP transmitter can emulate terrestrial waves which can produce earthquakes. The many stories about HAARP activities are too long to list here, but the primary question is: Are any of them true? And the answer is, NO! At least those activities are not occurring at HAARP.     The second obvious question is: And how do you know that? I have degrees in mechanical and electrical engineering, and physics. I have long been a licensed radio engineer and senior computer systems analyst. I have worked/consulted for many years on NASA Space Shuttle projects, Titan, Trident and Tomahawk missile systems, Star Wars laser and particle beam devices. I am familiar first-hand with top secret government, military and industry research facilities. I have not been to Gakona Alaska, but I have reviewed the technical specifications of the radio equipment installed at HAARP. It is not possible for the HAARP transmitter to do the many things claimed for it in the popular stories.  I have communicated with the HAARP designer, Dr. Bernard Eastlund. Even though, Eastlund does hold patents for using something similar to a HAARP device which might be used for weather modification, even he would say, the location of HAARP in Alaska means it could not be used for that purpose. The transmitter would need to be moved to where the weather phenomena exist, and given the multiple-acre size of the HAARP antenna array, its not very portable, so there is little chance of that.  The location of HAARP in Alaska just beneath the northern lights aurora zone means it can only be used for injecting particles from the ionosphere into the magnetosphere through the auroral electrojet just above HAARP. The HAARP radio beam cannot be aimed or used anywhere on the earth's surface. It can only be aimed directly above the atmosphere into the ionosphere where the ion particles can be used as an Air Force anti-missile defense shield far above the atmosphere, or also as a form of ULF plasma antenna in the aurora electrojet for Navy submarine communication. That is why both the Navy and Air Force participate in the research at HAARP. It can also be used by university geophysicists for investigating the movement of solar wind particles in the earth's magnetosphere in the auroral region. And that is the reason for the name "High frequency Active Auroral Research Project," HAARP. So where did all the stories about HAARP come from?  I have worked at a number of locked and secure laboratories. I've entered military bases with armed guards, roving MPs in jeeps with guard dogs, then gone into a secure lab building were I went through metal detectors, showed my electronically coded badge, had my briefcase contents inspected, then entered into an interior laboratory using a numbered combination key lock which only I and three other people knew. There is nothing 

Re: [CTRL] SNET: Carbon Dioxide Levels Key To Global WarmingPredictions (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread Nurev Ind.

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 Hello all! My comment is so what? I thought most people PREFERRED warmer
 weather! What about volcanoes? One eruption of a volcano produces a lot of
 alleged GREENHOUSE GASES

You people are ridiculous.

Joshua2

Besides all of these environmental regulations
 coming from the FEDERAL EPA (an unconstitutional agency created by an
 unconstitutional executive order) are unconstitional! And should I say any
 all regulations that prevent exploration and development of oil, gas or
 any other meineral anywhere in the United States are also unconstitutional
 and therefore null and void?? For example, where in the constition does it
 give the regulation of exploration of oil and natural gas in Alaska to the
 Federal Government? I say the 10th amendment gives that authjority to the
 state of Alaska!

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 of ZECHARIA SITCHIN, then you would have to agree that with the ending of
 the very last ice age which resulted in incredible rapid melting of
 glaciers over North America, Europe, and norther Eurasia had nothing to do
 with CO2 levels. It had to do with land masses being shifted out of the
 artic circle region (or in the case of Anartica, being shifted more into
 the anartic circle region).

 More and more scientific findings are coming to align with catastrophism as
 the explanation of the most interesting features of Earth's geography and
 geology -- not gradualism.

 The build up of CO2 gases and normal global warming theory are theories
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[CTRL] New Technology Prints Radio Chip and Antenna in Product Label

2001-05-06 Thread radman

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Building a Better Bar Code

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge010502.html

New Technology Prints Radio Chip and Antenna in Product Label

By Wes Bleed

C H I C A G O, May 2 - We've all become familiar with the Universal Product
Code, that strip of thin black lines found on practically every consumer
product. In the works now from Motorola is the Electronic Product Code.

Such smart labels have been around for a while and used mainly to
inventory pallets in warehouses or track the progress of huge shipping
containers as they travel en route to their destinations. But these systems,
developed by companies such as Symbol Technology, have been too expensive to
produce on a massive scale such as one label for every item on a supermarket
shelf.

Cheap and Easy Technology

We've got a technology that actually results in the packaging of the chip
being at basically its lowest possible cost by its printed antenna, says
Richard Krueger, Director of Business Development of the World Wide Smart
Card Solutions Division of Motorola. As the box is going through the
printer, through the press, I'm actually printing an antenna. It's two
patches of carbon ink, Krueger explained. What's more, since the BiStatix
label can be integrated into a printing process, it's much easier to produce
on ordinary items such as cereal boxes or bottles of mouthwash.

Krueger says product information can be accessed as needed with the
convenience of wireless communications. From distribution down to retail,
from retail into the consumer's hands, and then immediate feedback of that
information through sensors back to the supply chain to replenish the
  shelf.


Beyond the checkout counter

But the potential uses of the BiStatix label doesn't stop once you leave the
store. Since the embedded chip can store all sorts of information, it could
help make a consumer's life a little easier. A frozen dinner with a smart
label could transmit cooking instruction to a microwave oven equipped with
the appropriate radio receiver.

Krueger says the Bistatix chip could be integrated into tickets for sporting
events or theme parks as a way to thwart bogus tickets. You get throughput
improvement at the turnstiles, it's automated and you would begin to cut
down the counterfeit ticket business.

Other possible uses for the new technology include security and event
ticketing. You can issue temporary passes to guests, to contractors and
provide them limited access, Krueger explains. There would be a unique
identification in the system that a particular recipient of that badge or
card is in the building at a certain time and place.

Could an Electronic People Code be far behind?

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[CTRL] India preparing to test 1st ICBM

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Richer

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India preparing to test 1st ICBM
New missiles will have eventual range of over 12,000 miles

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By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 

India is preparing to test a new class of intercontinental ballistic 
missiles, beginning in January 2002, with one missile said to have a maximum 
range of over 12,000 miles. 

Indian media reports said the first ICBM, the Surya (Agni IV), with a range 
of 5,000 kilometers (3,100 miles) will begin flight testing in January, 
followed by a longer-range version, the Surya II, to begin testing in 2003. 

The Surya II, reports said, will have a range of 12,000 kilometers (7,500 
miles), according to officials at India's Defense Research and Development 
Organization, New Delhi's version of the U.S. Ballistic Missile Defense 
Organization. 


Test-firing of an early model Agni I ballistic missile. 

Eventually, scientists said, the Surya II's range will be extended to 20,000 
kilometers, or more than 12,400 miles, putting every country on Earth within 
range of Indian missiles, which are expected to be fitted with nuclear 
warheads. 

Technicians said the Surya missiles are based on a combination of liquid- and 
solid-fueled rocket technology. All are variants of India's Agni series of 
ballistic missiles, the longest of which has a range of over 2,000 kilometers 
(1,200 miles). 

DRDO officials said the Surya's test would consist of a single-stage 
liquid-fueled rocket based on cryogenic engine technology, which has 
already been perfected by the U.S., Russia, France, China and Japan. 

A Federation of American Scientists analysis said India first tested 
cryogenic technology in December 1999 as part of New Delhi's effort to 
develop rockets capable of putting Indian satellites into orbit. 

The powerful cryogenic engine can carry communication satellites of up to 
2,500 kilograms (about 2.5 tons) into space. So far, India launches its 
bigger satellites from France because India's capabilities are limited to 
sending smaller satellites into a lower orbit, the FAS document said. 

Russia has cut a deal to supply India with seven cryogenic engines from 1998 
to 2002. The first engine was received in December 1998 for a satellite 
booster; one of the next engines will be for a Surya test rocket, DRDO 
officials said. 

India began its ICBM project in 1994 using cryogenic technology developed at 
the Liquid Propulsion Systems Center Laboratories in Thiruvananthapuram, 
India, and guidance technology from that facility's existing geostationary 
launch vehicle program. 

Indian Agni I and II models have already completed testing and have been 
ordered into serial production. 

India and rival neighbor Pakistan both became declared nuclear powers after 
testing devices in 1998. 

Pakistan is also active in the development of its own indigenous 
ballistic-missile program, and Pakistani officials have said they were set to 
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Re: [CTRL] Communist Genocide - Totalled 100 million dead (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread William Bacon

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Solzenetzin (?) claims 69million dead at hands of Russian Comm.  He is
probably low, so Black Book quite conservative.  It is available at Regenery
Press.  If you join Conservative Book Club now (as I did last week) you may
buy it and two others at $1 each. Look it up on webb site.  Comm. atrocities
are hidden by their rulers who control world press and world money.  JBS does
not like to discuss this arena.  Thanks for news.  Gordon

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[CTRL] Macedonian government forces resume shelling

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Richer

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Macedonian government forces resume shelling

Location of ambush (KRT)


By Radul Radovanovic
The Associated Press

Published May 6 2001, 2:59 PM CDT


RECICA, Macedonia -- Macedonian forces lobbed shells into villages seized by
ethnic Albanian rebels northeast of the capital Sunday, pounding militant
strongholds just hours after the expiration of a deadline set for civilians
to evacuate.

The fighting follows a pledge by the Balkan country's prime minister to
pressure parliament to declare a state of war -- a move designed to give the
government a freer hand in attacks against militants hunkered down near the
border with Kosovo.

``The integrity of our country is threatened,'' government spokesman Antonio
Milososki told reporters at a news conference only a few miles from the site
of recent attacks.

Bolstering his claims, rebels opened fire on soldiers near the country's
second-largest city, Tetovo, the site of clashes and a massive government
offensive in March. There were no reported injuries, but army officials
pledged to respond in kind to prevent the creation of a second front-line.

The new spate of fighting underlined the government's increasingly tenuous
hold on control in areas near the border with the southern Yugoslav province
of Kosovo. It also alarmed international officials concerned about the
prospect of another Balkan conflict.

European Union officials urged Macedonia not to declare a state of war,
sending their top diplomatic envoy to push for an end to the fighting between
the government and ethnic Albanian rebels.

Javier Solana, the EU's security affairs chief, was to ask Prime Minister
Ljbuco Georgievski to work harder at creating peace and forestalling war with
rebels who insist they are denied equal rights under the country's
constitution. Solana was to be joined Monday NATO's secretary-general, Lord
Robertson.

So far world leaders, including U.S. President George W. Bush, have backed
Macedonia's adamant refusal to negotiate with the rebels, whom the government
views as terrorists trying to seize territory and carve out an ethnic
Albanian state.

A state of war would give President Boris Trajkovski the ability to rule by
decree and appoint a government of his choosing. Borders could be sealed, a
nationwide curfew imposed and demonstrations banned.

Extreme measures, though, could radicalize the country's sizable ethnic
Albanian minority, which makes up as much as one-third of the population.

EU officials fear such a move could destabilize Macedonia -- the only former
Yugoslav republic to secede without bloodshed -- by pushing the country's
ethnic Albanian population to support the rebel cause.

The government tried Sunday to press its case on the battlefield. Heavy
artillery fire intensified Sunday shortly before noon with shelling directed
toward the villages of Vaksince and Lojane, located some five miles from the
Kosovo border.

The attack began just one hour after an 11 a.m. deadline expired for
residents to the flee the area of fighting. The Red Cross local branch in the
city of Kumanovo said it had registered so far 420 displaced people coming
from three villages in the area of fighting, including 23 ethnic Albanian
families.

Many more have fled to Kosovo. Astrid Van Genderen Stort, a spokeswoman for
the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees said that more than 1,000 people had
fled from Macedonia to Kosovo in the last few days, some trekking through the
hills and others using the regular border crossing.


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[CTRL] IRA's mockery of justice

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Richer

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06may01

THE human rights of IRA terrorists shot dead in an SAS ambush as they tried
to blow up a police station and murder the officers inside were violated, a
European court ruled yesterday.

In a decision condemned as astonishing and perverse, seven judges said
Britain should pay the families of the eight men - among them some of the
IRA's most notorious killers - $30,000 each because the cases were not
properly investigated.
The European Court of Human Rights also made similar awards to the families
of two other IRA men and a Sinn Fein member killed in separate incidents.

British taxpayers face a total bill from the action of $670,000 including
legal costs.

There were fears the ruling could lead to further compensation claims from
relatives of terrorists killed by security forces.

The judges, including one Briton and an Albanian who spent his early years
tracking down opponents of the former communist regime, did not rule that the
deaths were unlawful. Their unanimous ruling related to procedural matters.

It was greeted with jubilation by the families and with outrage by Unionists
and the Royal Ulster Constabulary.

David Trimble, Ulster Unionist leader and First Minister at the Northern
Ireland Executive, said the judgment was astonishing and perverse.

There would be people who would call into question the competence and the
judgment of the European Court, he said.

A spokesman for the Police Federation, which represents RUC officers, said:
If IRA members are killed in action carrying out a murderous deed, they will
be rewarded with a lump sum or pension. There really is no justice.

Asked if the government would pay compensation, a spokesman for Prime
Minister Tony Blair, said: That is something that will have to be looked at.

The IRA unit, known as the A Team, was ambushed by the SAS as it attacked
Loughgall police station in County Armagh in May 1987. The gang exploded a
large bomb which killed two RUC officers.

As the gang jumped from its van intending to shoot dead any survivors, the
SAS opened fire, killing all eight and a motorist caught in the crossfire.

Weapons recovered at the scene were later linked to eight murders.


An 11-week-old baby girl was hurt by flying glass when a bomb was thrown at a
police station in Belfast, Northern Ireland, yesterday. Her injuries were not
thought to be life-threatening.


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[CTRL] War games to equip troops for nuclear, biological strike begin

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Richer

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War games to equip troops for nuclear, biological strike begin
Reuters
(New Delhi, May 5)

INDIA LAUNCHED on Saturday its biggest military exercise in over a decade
near the border with Pakistan, the defence ministry said. About 50,000 troops
and more than 100 combat planes are taking part in the manoeuvres aimed at
equipping soldiers to cope with a nuclear, biological or chemical weapons
strike.

The main exercise has begun, it is a five-day war game, an Army spokesman
said.

The government said Pakistan had been informed about the exercises in the
Bikaner sector, some 250 km from the border, but Islamabad said there was no
advance notice.

Tensions between nuclear-capable India and Pakistan have been running high
since they came to the brink of a third conflict over the disputed region of
Kashmir two years ago.

The Army spokesman said he was not at liberty to give details except that it
was a training exercise in which soldiers would practice drills and
procedures against a nuclear backdrop.

Officials said the desert exercises named Complete Victory will include a
mock battle involving ground troops, fighter planes and commandos.

Fighter planes will test their ability to launch deep strike missions and the
Army's elite commandos and paratroopers will aim at seizing enemy assets as
part of the mock war games.

Defence Minister Jaswant Singh, who is also the country's foreign minister,
and the chief of the Army staff General S. Padmanabhan are expected to watch
the exercise which will end in a firepower demonstration in the Pokhran test
range.

Pokhran is also the site of India's nuclear underground nuclear tests carried
out three years ago. Pakistan answered the Indian explosions with tests of
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[CTRL] FREEH DEPUTIES CALLED CLINTON A 'CROOK' NO BETTER THAN 'BANK ROBBER'

2001-05-06 Thread Bill Richer

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X DRUDGE REPORT X SUNDAY MAY 6, 2001 15:09:34 ET X

MAG: FREEH DEPUTIES CALLED CLINTON A 'CROOK' NO BETTER THAN 'BANK ROBBER';
FBI DEBATED BRIEFING WHITE HOUSE

The FBI Director 's relationship with the Clinton White House deteriorated so
bad in its waning years that Director Louis Freeh decided to wait for a new
Administration to conclude the bureau's investigation of Iranian government
officials linked to a 1996 bombing in Saudi Arabia which killed nineteen
Americans and injured five hundred.

MORE

By the end of the Clinton era, Freeh had become so mistrustful of Clinton
that, although he believed that he had developed enough evidence to seek
indictment against the masterminds behind the attack, not just the front-line
suspects, he decided to wait for a new Administration, the NEW YORKER is
planning to report on Monday.

According to publishing sources, reporter Elsa Walsh has developed a story
slugged: LOUIS FREEH'S UNFINISHED BUSINESS, exploring the estrangement
between Freeh and Clinton.

The FBI's investigation into Clinton-Gore fund-raising activities and the
role of the Chinese government led to a series of disputes. At one point,
during a late-night phone call between Freeh and deputies William Esposito
and Robert Bryant, about whether to brief Secretary of State Madeleine
Albright (and thus potentially Clinton) before a trip to China, Bryant said,
Why should we brief him? He's a crook. He's no better than a bank robber.
Would we tell a bank robber about our investigation?

Freeh is said to have replied that that was going a little too far.

Hitting racks on Monday.



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[CTRL] McVeigh factor destroys militias

2001-05-06 Thread radman

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McVeigh factor destroys militias

http://www.azcentral.com/news/0506militia06.html

Mark Shaffer
The Arizona Republic
May. 6, 2001

Eric Frizzell fondly remembers the heady days of the Yavapai Militia.
More than 100 people from Black Canyon City to Chino Valley would gather
twice a month to watch high-tech doomsday videos or grainy, black and white
video of the Bataan Death March.
They would create a stir among sheriff's dispatchers in Prescott by
launching war games.
They reveled in new weapons and old war stories.
Heck, Frizzell said, he even rose to the rank of general in one militia
group he was affiliated with in Florida. Outrage flared after Randy
Weaver's wife and son were shot to death by government agents at Ruby Ridge
in Idaho and David Koresh's flock was incinerated near Waco, Texas.
Then, Timothy McVeigh, who had once visited Prescott seeking guidance in
forming a militia in the Kingman area, bombed the Alfred P.  Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City in 1995. A year later, federal agents busted 12
members of a Valley militia group, the Vipers, on conspiracy, weapons and
explosives charges.
The whole militia movement in this state just basically disintegrated into
chaos after that, said Frizzell, a Cordes Junction telemarketer.  Most
people just got out, and the rest went so far underground that they haven't
been heard from since.
Which has pretty much been the story of militias nationwide. McVeigh's
desire to be the Lexington of the next American Revolution has instead led
to the demise of the movement, those who study militias say.
But that's not the only reason.
The Republic of Texas and Montana Freemen movements were brought to their
knees after numerous arrests and long prison sentences for their
leadership. A lawsuit effectively ended Richard Butler's Aryan Nation
White-supremacist group in Idaho when it was bankrupted by a civil rights
lawsuit after security guards attacked two passers-by.
Cas Mudde, an expert on international right-wing movements and a political
science professor at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, said the
worst fallout for U.S. militias is that they were abandoned by sizable
moderate elements in the aftermath of Oklahoma City and the other recent
problems.
The militia movement lost its fairly good reputation, Mudde said.  There
is little chance it will regain it, either, as Oklahoma stands out as a
defining event in recent U.S. history and anything related to the militia
movement will inevitably be linked to Oklahoma and McVeigh.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center of Montgomery, Ala., which
monitors the country's hate groups, the number of militia Web sites
decreased by 50 percent in 1999 and many of those that remained had not
been updated in years. The law center, which documented 27 militia groups
in Arizona in 1996, now says only five remain.
Donald Mac MacPherson, a Valley attorney who has represented tax
protesters and militia members in the past, says that even acknowledging
five militias in Arizona is overstating the situation.
It's all quiet on the Western front. I haven't heard of any active militia
groups in Arizona, MacPherson said. Once-influential militia leaders in
Arizona and Nevada such as former Phoenix policeman Jack McLamb, former
Vietnam Green Beret Bo Gritz and former Arizona legislator Jerry Gillespie
have all left the area for Idaho, he said.
By the same token, tax-protest and gun-advocacy efforts have never been
stronger, and those are close cousins to militia activity, McPherson said.
But the militias are in a world of hurt.
Even the Northern Michigan Regional Militia, which with 1,000 members
claimed to be one of the nation's largest and which received widespread
publicity after the Oklahoma City bombing, announced last month that it was
disbanding because of lack of interest.
Al Shearer, a hate-crimes investigator for the Maricopa County Attorney's
Office, said he saw a large slowdown in militia activity after the Oklahoma
City bombing.
It seemed like a lot of people were embarrassed to align themselves with
militias after that, Shearer said. And now, when you look at militia
message boards on the Internet, it seems like everything is just kind of
fat, dumb and happy. I saw one posting the other day wondering about the
availability of lime for latrines. Then, there's always Aryan maidens
looking for (relationships with) Aryan warriors.
All of which shows that events like Waco and Ruby Ridge are quickly fading
from memory, Shearer said.
When you combine that with no big talk lately about gun control, that
pretty much does it for issues. The primary concern there is the fear of
losing firearms, Shearer said.
Or, an economy turned sour, said Bill Strauss, regional director of the
Anti-Defamation League in Phoenix.
A bad economic situation always breeds some ugly mind-sets, Strauss said.
But as it stands now, what militia activity that remains is primarily in
the Midwest with just a few pockets here in 

[CTRL] N. Korea says it's facing another famine

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N. Korea says it's facing another famine
By CHARLES LEE

 SEOUL, South Korea, May 5 (UPI) -- North Korea on Saturday acknowledged it
was facing another year of drought that could result in famine, an
announcement that appeared to be aimed at wooing foreign donors in the wake
of a visit to the impoverished country by a European Union delegation.

 The announcement, carried by state media along with supporting scientific
data, forecast a dire outlook for the country.

 Crops in the Democratic Republic of Korea are badly affected by a long
spell of drought, said the North's Korean Central News Agency.

 Drought has persisted for 58 days in most parts of the country's northern
provinces, doing huge damage to various fields of the national economy,
the agency said. Results of the soil survey showed that 8- to
15-centimeter-deep soil on farmland in all parts of the country remains dry,
going far beyond the germination limit. Most of the sown seeds have already
dried up.

The report came just after Swedish Prime Minister Goran Persson traveled
the communist country as head of a high-level EU delegation. The Europeans
discussed economic cooperation and relief aid to the famine-stricken North,
among other matters.

 Persson told journalists that North Korean officials were obviously
worried about the country's devastated economy.

 They are aware of the grave situation but they are, as I could understand
it, committed to go on with opening up for more international cooperation.
he said.

 The EU delegation offered the North fertilizer and agricultural equipment,
but also asked for a lifting of restrictions on aid groups assisting North
Korea through its chronic food shortages and economic hardships.

 International relief workers are still barred from reaching areas in the
North deemed important to national security, particularly along the heavily
armed border with South Korea.

 A German doctor, who was thrown out of North Korea in January for
criticizing human rights abuses, accused Pyongyang of distorting information
on its food crisis in order to get more international help.

 Nobody knows for sure where the food aid has gone. Food could be diverted
to high-ranking people or soldiers, said Dr. Norbert Vollersten, a
volunteer for German Emergency Doctors, a nonprofit aid group.

 The United Nations World Food Program said last month that North Korea was
facing new food shortages that could be as bad as 1996 and 1997, the peak of
the near-famine conditions of the past 10 years.

 Lack of fertilizer and a spring drought led to last fall's poor harvest,
which supplied only 3 million of the 4.8 million tons of grain that North
Korea's 23 million people need to feed themselves, the agency said.

 Aid agencies said up to 2 million people have died in North Korea since
1995 when a series of natural disasters, compounded by mismanagement in the
state-run farm system, triggered famine conditions.

 South Korea has been shipping 200,000 tons of free fertilizer to North
Korea to be used for the rice-planting season this month.
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[CTRL] McVeigh listened to militia-inspired Arizona broadcaster

2001-05-06 Thread radman

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McVeigh listened to militia-inspired Arizona broadcaster

http://www.azcentral.com/news/0506cooper06.html

Mark Shaffer
The Arizona Republic
May. 6, 2001

EAGAR - He lives in the only house atop a high mesa with a bird's-eye view
of scenic Round Valley.
Better to broadcast that way and look out for agents of the federal
government, say friends of William Cooper, whose apocalyptic,
militia-inspired shortwave radio programs attracted Timothy McVeigh as a
regular listener in the months before the Oklahoma City bombing.
When McVeigh needed written inspiration, he repeatedly read William
Pierce's The Turner Diaries. However, McVeigh is said to have turned his
shortwave dial to Cooper's invective for verbal inspiration. James Nichols,
brother of Oklahoma bombing co-defendant Terry Nichols, testified about
Cooper's broadcasts in 1996 during a pretrial hearing in Oklahoma City.
McVeigh even paid a personal visit to Cooper, who at the time was living
and broadcasting 30 miles up the highway in St. Johns, a couple of months
before the bombing in early 1995, said Nolan Udall, an Eagar repairman and
close friend of Cooper.
McVeigh wanted his (Cooper's) help but wouldn't tell him what for, Udall
said. Finally, Bill just got frustrated with him and told him to leave him
alone.
Cooper refused to respond to interview requests by telephone and e-mails to
his Web site, which peddles audio of his past broadcasts on his show, The
Hour of the Time, and keeps a running diary of his siege by the federal
government.
Kiss my (expletive), and don't ever call this number again, Cooper said
before hanging up.
But Cooper, in his late 50s, has legal problems of his own as McVeigh's
execution draws near.
About three years ago, Cooper didn't appear in U.S. District Court in
Phoenix on charges that he failed to pay taxes from 1992 to 1994 and
submitted false information to a bank to obtain a loan. Federal law
officers vowed at the time that they would arrest Cooper eventually.
However, they cautioned that there would not be a repeat of Waco, where
more than 80 Branch Davidians died when their compound was burned in 1993,
or Ruby Ridge, where federal agents laid siege to Randy Weaver's backwoods
Idaho cabin and killed his wife and son.
Eagar Police Chief Scott Garms said his department has had a number of
discussions with the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI about the best way
to take Cooper into custody.
I've made my opinions known that there's no reason to go in and storm that
house and make a martyr out of him, Garms said.
Tom McCombs, chief deputy marshal for the district of Arizona, did not
return phone calls regarding Cooper.
Cooper noted on his Web site that he sent most of his family out of the
country in 1999 for security reasons and that they are now safe from
Nazi Jack-Booted Thugs.
In more recent entries on his Web site, Cooper says that he was not able to
attend his mother's funeral because of a threat from the Nazi Gestapo and
that federal agents had attempted to coerce his daughter into helping with
his apprehension.
I am prepared and ready for them. I will resist this tyranny even unto
death, Cooper posted on his Web site.
Udall said the only way the situation can be handled peacefully is if
federal agents will answer Cooper's questions about the government's right
to collect taxes.
Someone is going to die if they go up there with force because Bill
carries a handgun on himself at all times, Udall said.
Just getting Cooper out of town would be a relief to many people living in
the Eagar area. Udall said his family owns land on the mesa near Cooper and
has been subdividing it. There have been numerous run-ins between Cooper
and real estate agents and Udall's brother, Jeff, a former Eagar town
council member, Nolan Udall said.
Jeff said he was accosted by Cooper near Cooper's house one day on a public
road when Jeff was checking on his family's land.
He started screaming obscenities, and I've never been so startled in my
life, Jeff Udall said, adding that Cooper also waylaid a new football
coach at Round Valley High School who had come for a vantage point to shoot
a videotape. He sits up there isolated and locked in his little world,
Udall said. The people in town have talked about the situation with him
being here but figure it's best just to leave him alone because it really
could be another Ruby Ridge.
Glenn Jacobs, a longtime Eagar resident and newspaper publisher and once a
close associate of Cooper, said Cooper has burned a lot of bridges since
moving to Round Valley in the late 1990s.
We had our break when I denounced him as a murderer and he said I was
Judas, Jacobs said, adding that he was wrong in his accusation against
Cooper. But the good thing is that he started a low-power radio station
here that plays old music, which I like.
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[CTRL] Do Windmills Eat Birds?

2001-05-06 Thread William Shannon
http://www.tompaine.com/opinion/2001/05/03/1.html



DO WINDMILLS EAT BIRDS?
Foxes Advocate Hen Welfare David Case is the executive editor of TomPaine.com.


It's strange: suddenly, some of the most unlikely people are losing sleep
over what windmills might be doing to birds.

Environmental Protection Agency administrator Christy Todd Whitman's green
credentials wilted only weeks after taking office. She supports the proposed
deep cuts to her own agency's budget, and has backed President George W.
Bush's controversial decisions benefiting the coal industry. But in a speech
defending fossil fuel exploitation she fretted, "... windmills kill birds
because they're in the flyway."

The corporate-funded Washington Legal Foundation, a perennial critic of
so-called "environmental radicals," wrote in a recent advertisement in the 
New York Times, "... how many acres of land must be despoiled to erect enough
windmills -- and how many birds must be shredded flying through their giant
blades -- to keep California from becoming a third world country?"

The ranks of new bird protectionist also include Jerry Taylor and Steve
Slivinski of the Cato Institute -- a right-wing, anti-regulation organization
that receives part of its funding from oil companies and which is a virulent
foe of the environmental movement. Borrowing a convenient line from the
opposition, they've claimed that, "The Sierra Club goes so far as to tag wind
power facilities as 'the Cuisinarts of the air.'" The same comment was echoed
on NPR's "Talk of the Nation" recently by -- get this -- a spokesperson for
the Alaskan oil industry. "You see," says Cato's Taylor, reflecting on the
repetition of his message, "our reports get around."

So what's going on here? Has environmentalism suddenly become infectious
among the smokestack set?

Doubtful.

For its part, the Sierra Club doesn't appreciate Cato and company carrying
its yoke. Especially because the quote is "not true!" as Ann Mesnikoff
bellows emphatically and with some exasperation. "Sierra Club strongly
supports wind power. It's clean. It's renewable energy. It is a growing part
of our energy supply."

The Cato Institute's Taylor says he found the Cuisinart quote in a 1995 book
about wind power. That is eons ago in terms of rapidly evolving wind power
technology, which backers contend is increasingly bird-friendly. (Imagine
searching books from 1995 for a useful tidbit about the Internet.) But the
fact that the quote is old hasn't stopped journalists from parroting it: a
Nexis search yields dozens of references -- a sign that Cato's reports do, in
fact, get around.

Mesnikoff admits that the line was uttered. "It's an old quote, a clever line
in a specific fight against a specific [wind] farm in California," says
Mesnikoff. It has been taken out of context, she says. "It wasn't the Sierra
Club's position on wind power. We support wind farms in the right places --
putting a wind farm in a bird flyway or a raptor hunting grounds is not the
right place for it."

"So what?" retorts Taylor. "Comments are always taken out of context. What do
they want us to do, reproduce an entire speech?"

Taylor maintains that wind farms are the biggest bird killers in the country.
"The most profitable ones are where the wind blows most frequently and the
most consistently, which is in the wilderness. That's where birds are," he
explains. The Audubon Society has called for a moratorium on windmills, he
says. The Audubon Society, however, denies this. "We support wind power as
long as the turbines are well-sited," says Perry Plumart, the group's
government relations director.

Taylor refers to a Cato study, which includes dubious logic like the
following:

"There have been numerous mentions of the 'avian mortality' problem in the
wind-power literature (the Sierra Club labeled wind towers 'the Cuisinarts of
the air'). An article in the March 29-April 4, 1995, issue of SF Weekly was
particularly telling. ..."

The "study" goes on to quote extensively from the article. But, if it were
possible to track down the 1995 editors of the SF Weekly, would they agree
that their free San Francisco-based weekly newspaper -- which survives in no
small part on ads for escort services and local watering holes -- is part of
the "wind power literature?"

In fact, though Cato's study is widely quoted, it's hard to find anyone in
the bird conservation community who agrees with it.

One high-profile environmentalist admits that birds do occasionally crash
into the twirling blades. But, he says (anonymously and carefully, for fear
of unleashing another contagious quote), "Do you know how many birds die
every day?" They crash into skyscrapers and plate glass windows; they're
crushed by trucks; they're sucked into jet engines and gag on smog. Kids with
BB guns knock them off. Windmills are a concern, but they don't appear high
on anyone's list of avian threats.

The bird experts at the Audubon Society are more concerned about the 10,000
to 

[CTRL] Bush, Arsenic, And Oil

2001-05-06 Thread William Shannon
http://www.buzzflash.com/BuzzScripts/Buzz.dll/Content



WHY ARE BUSH AND CHENEY AGAINST LOWERING THE ARSENIC WATER LEVEL? FOLLOW THE
OIL...AND COAL
Where does the arsenic in drinking water come from?

According to the EPA, "...Arsenic is used in semiconductor manufacturing,
petroleum refining, wood preservatives, animal feed additives and herbicides."

Petroleum refining?!?!? Yes, that's what the Bush EPA says on its own web
site:

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/ars/arsenic.html

But that's not all. What did the Clinton EPA say in 1998 about petroleum
refining? Well, EPA added hazardous wastes generated by petroleum refining to
its official hazardous wastes list. These wastes contribute arsenic (among
other chemicals) to the environment, damaging human health. (And the
petroleum industry hasn't forgotten the EPA's tightening of these
regulations. Now it's payback time!) Here's a copy of the press release:

http://www.tricatgroup.com/about_pressrelease.asp

How real is the threat? Here's just one example (from Pennsylvania) of
arsenic release from oil refining wastes:

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/update/default.asp?ID=1355

But there's still more! If GW has his way, we'll be burning more fossil fuels
in the U.S. (especially coal and oil) with fewer environmental rules, as part
of the new Cheney energy program. And coal is a prime contributor of, you
guessed it, ARSENIC. It what must be the ultimate irony, we could become just
like the Chinese. Here's an ABC News story ("Coal Fires Poisoning Chinese")
explaining the arsenic problem in that country, as documented by our own
National Academy of Sciences:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/coalpoisoning990331.html

It's a frightening vision of the future in this country.




Re: [CTRL] SNET: [CTRL] Bush, Arsenic, And Oil (fwd)

2001-05-06 Thread William Bacon

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I suppose Mr. Wingate likes being held hostage by OPEC, environmentalist
kookos DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO STOP ENERGY production in this
country, willingly letting these fascists tell him what to do every minute
of the day,And yes I am in favor of building nuclear power plants to
retire oil and natural gas power plants so that all electricity in this
country will be generated by fuel under political control of this country
and yes full speed ahead in developing oil in alaska!! I suppose mr
Wingate likes paying what he is paying for gasoline in California, the
price and availability of electricity and natural gas!

visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904

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 most Americans.

 Steve

 On 6 May 01, at 16:53, William Bacon wrote:

  Yeah! I am all for increased coal use from the United States, oil
  exploration and development in Alsaka, off shore alaska, oil shale in the
  west, OFf shore oil and gas exploration and development EVERY WHERE OFF
  THE US COAST, and the titantic frozen/solid methane recently discovered
  off of the east coast United Stastes. I believe this stuff Shannon is
  reprinting is TYPICAL SCARE STUFF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT puts out.
  Isn't interesting everything the wacko marxist kooko environmental does
  always seems to strengthen OPEC's grip on the energy market and always
  costs US Consumers more and more and yet more???



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Re: [CTRL] Why Is the Cow Now Most Hated Animal

2001-05-06 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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Why Is The Cow Now Most Hated Animal?

Because people are finally getting fed up with your neverending inanity
on this list, Mad Cow Saba...



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Re: [CTRL] Soy Was Used to Slop Hogs?

2001-05-06 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 6 May 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
Here is item re Soy and Archer Daniels - are these people, Archer
Daniels - in some type conspiracy to sell more slop to the public - soy
in China is for the poverty stricken

Bull.  Shows how LITTLE you know about Chinese cuisine...


 - so who will eat the slop with the
pigs and the hogs and who will be eating the big steaks and real ice
cream

My mother used to tell a story about her cousin that she and my father
sponsored as immigrants after WWII...my parents provided this cousin (and
her husband and infant) with room and board until the immigrants could
get on their own feet, even though my parents were in tight financial
straits themselves...

And since it was summer and there was plenty of fresh produce available
(and at a reasonable price), my mother (an excellent cook) would
regularly boil up fresh corn on the cob, and serve sliced fresh tomatoes
with the meal...

And these immigrant relatives, so desperate to leave the Netherlands
because that country was starving and people were boiling tulip bulbs to
eat, would turn up their noses at the corn and tomatoes, claiming that in
Holland they fed it to the pigs and only 'peasants' would eat it
themselves...

Well, you can clog your arteries with 'big steaks and real ice cream',
Saba...I'll gladly eat the healthy peasant fare and pig slop as you
deem it...

But perhaps considering the state of your health, Saba, you should
reconsider your OWN diet...



many dietary therapists are aware that some people are allergic to soy-
why is no warning put on soy products?

I'm allergic to cow's milk and all citrus...you don't find warnings on
THOSE products, either...no statement on a milk carton to the effect of
WARNING:  some people may be allergic to this product.

I'd wager there are many more people who are allergic to peanuts (which
usually causes an anaphylatic reaction) than to soy, yet you don't find
warnings regarding peanuts on most products, even products that aren't
obviously 'peanut' but use peanut oil in the manufacture of the product.


Soybeans contain indigestible carbohydrates and inhibitors of digestive
enzymes (soybean trypsin inhibitor). Both problems contribute to
difficulty digesting beans, excessive gas, and, occasionally, abdominal
pain and diarrhea.

Symptoms that most people also experience after eating chickpeas,
raw broccoli and cabbage, chile and Mexican food...


Identification of soybean dust as an epidemic asthma agent in urban
areas by molecular marker and RAST analysis of aerosols, Aceves M;
Grimalt JO; Sunyer J; Anto JM; Reed CE J Allergy Clin Immunol, 88:1,
1991 Jul, 124-34

One would suspect ANY sort of dust would aggravate or institute asthma...

I'm deathly allergic to all forms of smoke...it will trigger an asthmatic
reation even though I normally do not have asthma...

I don't go around saying people should stop having barbecues or using
their fireplaces because of it...


These
results suggest the advisability of monitoring soybean dust in air
particulates of populated areas surrounding soybean storage or
processing plants.

Corn, wheat, rye, and oat dust are no less dangerous than soy dust in
this respect...


Fermentation means breakdown by bacteria. Do you relish the idea of
ingesting millions of dead bacteria and their metabolic waste products?

First off, GOOD fermented soy products have live bacteria cultures, just
as good yogurt and good cheese do.  Do you eat yogurt?  Do you eat
cheese?  If you eat good varieties of these foods, then you are ingesting
live bacteria that are actually GOOD for the digestive system.  Indeed
the human body normally contains such bacteria in the gut, it aids
digestion...to imply that ingesting this bacteria is somehow unhealthy is
either faulty science or deliberate disinformation, perhaps both...



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Re: [CTRL] Fw Soy Was Used to Slop Hogs?

2001-05-06 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 6 May 2001, Amelia wrote:
As a child, I was taught that soy was unfit for human consumption.

Strange...it's been an integral part of Asian cuisine for millenia, and
there are plenty of fit, healthy Chinese, whose civilization predates
ours by a millenia or so...

And as I mentioned in a previous post, my Dutch emmigre' relatives turned
their noses up at corn and tomatoes, claiming that those also were unfit
for human consumption and fit only for pigs...this from people who only a
few months before had been eating boiled tulip bulbs...


Ditto the useless rape seed of canola oil.

Now you and I are in agreement regarding the scam of canola oil...



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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The LOOP : How Cryptic sd the Christiic? News Flash.

2001-05-06 Thread Kris Millegan





Subj:The LOOP : How Cryptic sd the Christiic? News Flash.
Date:   5/5/01 12:04:35 PM Mountain Daylight Time
From:   policy.office@mihra.org (Roger Bunn)
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Former FBI Director Loses Lawsuit against OKC Bombing Author


Now that is excellent and rare news. I read  ol'Buck's book and thought it to
be unusual in the fact that, more mistakes were made by others than by The
Rev himself. One could say its a flaw of basic character, if one did not know
who the paymasters were behind these schemes of state, and what such power is
capable of enacting?

As the US law is so complicated to understand from here. Does he get an
appeal? Or does the state give him a distinguished service medal?

Rr

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It seems Oliver Buck Revell, former Deputy Director of the FBI, just lost
his multi-million dollar libel lawsuit against reporter David Hoffman and and
his funder, the non-profit Americans for Responsible Media. Revell contended
that Hoffman libeled him in his book, The Oklahoma City Bombing and the
Politics of Terror,  by alleging that Revell pulled his son off of Pan Am 103
before it blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland - being privvy to inside
information. Revell also sued Gene Wheaton, a former Army CID and Christic
Institute investigator for alleging that Revell approached him in the mid-80s
to create a death squad with White House deniability to eliminate enemies
of the state. Revell also was getting ready to allege that Hoffman was about
to libel him in his new book, Murdergate! The Presidency, the U.S. Government
and the Politics of Murder, to be released by Penmarin Books this winter.  A
federal judge in Oklahoma did not agree.

The fact is, Revell was FBI point man for Oliver North and his cronies
during their drug and gun running frenzy of the mid to late '80s, and is
alleged to have been involved in many government scandals and cover-ups,
includng the bombing of an Arrow Air jet at Gander, Newfoundland which killed
248 U.S. servicemen and women.

For more information, contact Hoffman's attorney, Mike Johnston, at
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2001-05-06 Thread Taercel

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}}Begin

President
  Bush and the Gwailo Constitution
by
  Myles Kantor
President
  Bush has taken a lot of flak for remarks about Taiwan regarding
  the eventuality of Chinese aggression. Here
  were his exact words: Our nation will help Taiwan defend
  itself. At the same time, we support the one-China policy, and we
  expect the dispute to be resolved peacefully.
Geopolitical
  sophisticates will bray about Bush’s subversion of the strategic
ambiguity doctrine (every diplomatic notion is a doctrine
  nowadays); supporters of Taiwanese autonomy will point out the illogic

  of a U.S.-Taiwan defense pact that forecloses self-determination
  for the island.
Thus
  far, however, pundits haven’t made a peep about the (anti)constitutional 
dimension to Bush’s pledge. The ostensibly conservative William
  F. Buckley Jr. in fact asserts an obligatory executive role for
  Taiwan’s defense.
Conservatism
  in an American context suggests valuing constitutional government. Key 
to American constitutional government is federal republicanism,
  or anti-monarchic, decentralized governance.
The
  colonial experience soured Americans on monarchy so acutely that
  several delegates to the Constitutional Convention opposed a unitary
  executive branch. George Mason desired an executive of three persons;
  Edmund Randolph referred to a single executive as the fetus
  of monarchy.
Anti-monarchic
  sentiment was of such pervasiveness that even two of American history’s
  most ardent nationalists appreciated legislative primacy, especially
  over the grievous matter of war:
The
  President is to be commander-in-chief of the army and navy of
  the United States. In this respect his authority would be nominally
  the same with that of the king of Great Britain, but in substance
  much inferior to it. It would amount to nothing more than the
  supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces,
  as first General and admiral of the Confederacy; while that
  of the British king extends to the declaring of war and to the
  raising and regulating of fleets and armies, all which, by the
  Constitution under consideration, would appertain to the 
legislature.
  (Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 69)
The
  provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to
  Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following
  reasons. Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their
  people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the
  good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood
  to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they
  resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should
  hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. (Abraham
  Lincoln, letter to William H. Herndon, February 15, 1848)
The
  twentieth century witnessed a revolutionary inversion occur between
  president and Congress with respect to war-making. As an emblematic
  example, Harry Truman leapfrogged the legislature in deploying troops
  to Korea via the United Nations – a relatively forgotten intervention
  that portended our equally unconstitutional, supra-nationally 
orchestrated
  slaughter in the Balkans. (I’m not an apologist for a truculent
  bum like Slobodan Milosevic, and how his truculence justifies our
  illegal aerial campaign of destruction and death eludes me.)
We
  have reached the point where a conservative Vice
  President accepts presidential usurpation of the martial realm and the 
decidedly un-conservative Noam Chomsky criticizes the
  doctrine of Executive War in violation of the Constitution
  (The
  New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo, p. 97). This, needless to 
say, is a peculiar state of affairs.
Of
  course, Congress is ultimately culpable for its inversive capacity.
  As John C. Calhoun observed, The Constitutional power of the
  President never was or could be formidable, unless it was accompanied
  by a Congress which was prepared to corrupt the Constitution.
  A president’s bellicose ambition would be a nonstarter if our 
representatives
  only asserted their