[CTRL] FW: [bigchat] SCIENTISTS PROVE SUPERIOR NUTRITIVE VALUE OF ORGANIC FOOD
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: Jeannette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 11:32 AM Subject: SCIENTISTS PROVE SUPERIOR NUTRITIVE VALUE OF ORGANIC FOOD From: Jeannette [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not yet choosing organic foods, this article may tip the scales in favour of them to not only avoid all the damaging chemicals from pesticides, fungicides, etc. but also the MUCH higher nutrition. Jeannette SCIENTISTS PROVE SUPERIOR NUTRITIVE VALUE OF ORGANIC FOOD Researchers at Rutgers University set-out to disprove the claim that "Organic Is Better". They purchased selections of produce at supermarkets and healthfood stores and analyzed for mineral content. Organic foods were those grown without the use of chemical pesticides or artificial fertilizers. Non-organic foods, referred to here as "commercial," were grown with a variety of chemicals that enhance growth or destroy pests, many of which are known or suspected carcinogens (cancer-causing) and which cause greater erosion to the environment and wildlife. The idea that organic crops are nutritionally superior has been accepted largely on faith. There has been very little hard evidence to support this supposition. Rutgers researchers expected the organic produce to be maybe slightly higher in comparison, but the results were astounding! The amount of iron in the organic spinach was 97% more than the commercial spinach, and the manganese was 99% greater in the organic. Many essential trace elements were completely absent in the commercial produce whereas they were abundant, comparatively, in their organically grown counterparts. MAJOR MINERALS Milliequivalents per 100 Grams Dry Weight: Trace Elements, Parts per Million Dry Matter MINERAL:PHOSPHOROUS MAGNESIUM SNAP BEANS ORGANIC 10.45 0.36 COMMERCIAL4.04 0.22 CABBAGE ORGANIC 10.38 0.38 COMMERCIAL6.12 0.18 LETTUCE ORGANIC 24.48 0.43 COMMERCIAL7.01 0.22 TOMATOES ORGANIC 14.2 0.35 COMMERCIAL 6.07 0.16 SPINACH ORGANIC 28.56 0.52 COMMERCIAL 12.38 0.27 MINERAL: SODIUMMANGANESE SNAP BEANS ORGANIC 40.5 60 COMMERCIAL 15.5 14.8 CABBAGE ORGANIC 60.0 43.6 COMMERCIAL 17.5 13.6 LETTUCE ORGANIC 71 49.3 COMMERCIAL 16 13.1 TOMATOES ORGANIC 23 59.2 COMMERCIAL 4.5 4.5 SPINACH ORGANIC 96 203.9 COMMERCIAL 47.5 46.9 MINERAL:COPPER ASH SNAP BEANS ORGANIC 99.7 8.6 COMMERCIAL29.1 0.9 CABBAGE ORGANIC 148.3 20.4 COMMERCIAL 33.7 0.8 LETTUCE ORGANIC 176.5 12.2 COMMERCIAL 53.7 0 TOMATOES ORGANIC 148.3 6.5 COMMERCIAL 58.8 0 SPINACH ORGANIC 237 69.5 COMMERCIAL 84.6 0 MINERAL:CALCIUMPOTASSIUM SNAP BEANS ORGANIC 73 60 COMMERCIAL10 2 CABBAGE ORGANIC 42 13 COMMERCIAL 7 2 LETTUCE ORGANIC 37 169 COMMERCIAL 6 1 TOMATOES ORGANIC 36 68 COMMERCIAL 3 1 SPINACH ORGANIC 88 117 COMMERCIAL 12 1 MINERAL:BORON IRON SNAP BEANS ORGANIC 22769 COMMERCIAL10 3 CABBAGE ORGANIC 94 48 COMMERCIAL20 0.4 LETTUCE ORGANIC 51660 COMMERCIAL9 3 TOMATOES ORGANIC193853 COMMERCIAL1 0 SPINACH ORGANIC1584 32 COMMERCIAL49 0.3 MINERAL: COBALT SNAP BEANS ORGANIC 0.26 COMMERCIAL0 CABBAGE
[CTRL] FW: [SandyBeaches] RE: Gas Additives to Water.....Please Pass this on!!!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: [SandyBeaches] RE: Gas Additives to Water...Please Pass this on!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, This is very important!!! Please pass it on to all your friends. === Gas Additive Pollutes Water The other day I watched 60 minutes, they were exposing the greatest deliberate poisoning of the US population since the atomic era. http://www.iwon.com/home/news/news_article/0,11746,150456|top|01-18-2000::10 :10|cbs,00.html A scientist was interviewed about this matter and he said: "If I was given the task to pollute the world with the most toxic substance, I would do what they did, put this additive in gasoline, within a few years it will pollute the drinking water in 80% of the country..." This additive has been on the market for 10 years now. It was forced into law by President Bush, every gallon of gasoline must contain at least 2% of this additive. Now entire towns in the US are dead, no one can live there, no bank will loan the residents, they cannot sell their properties, and cancer is eating them alive. EPA does not require testing for this chemical, they are planing to make it mandatory in a few years. 21 states have had wells shut down due to MTBE groundwater contamination. And many lakes show the presence of this toxic chemical, to the point that it's not safe to wash your hands with this water. Please read this article, and if possible try to get the original 60 minutes video. You have to see it to believe it! Remember that knowledge is power Have your water tested. Please pass this information to as many people as you can. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW:This is Important !
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj:If you drink Diet Pepsi or Coke, read this Date: 1/16/00 1:19:11 AM GMT Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jorma Persson) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Friends) This is not spam, I just want to pass this article along to you. If you're not interested in it, please just delete it. Thank you Jorma Persson ** WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION F.D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle (1120197) I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on "ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful"'. In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz. Cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the aspartame is the culprit The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually becomes asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we can not reverse this disease. On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus. During a lecture I said "If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss-you probably has ASPARTAME DISEASE!" People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I've got this, is it reversible?" It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture even were suffering from these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk - due in part by product usage! We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto (one of my speakers) and myself and said, 'Could you tell me why so many people seem to be coming down with MS? During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence. Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing as been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED! At the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of dmgs as cyanide and arsenic - DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of neurological problems. Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug also causes Birth Defects. There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave carbohydrates and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what wood alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians
Re: [CTRL] Fw: URGENT ACTION IS REQUIRED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Below when I stated : "That State", I meant Mr. Blair's State, of course :) On the other hand, the Greek Government made a clear statement at the European Parliament lately saying they will not fight or otherwise hamper Turkey's candidacy into the EC from now on. Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prudence L. Kuhn Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: URGENT ACTION IS REQUIRED! -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 01/16/2000 4:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It isn't a secret for anybody that Turkey wants badly to be recognised as worthy to be a candidate and join the European Community. As The EC is considering the matter and this below is not a question on the ballot in regard of such candidacy, is this to say that the EC is considering accepting a fascist state in its club of nations? If the answer is yes one must argue then that the EC is on the fascist slope itself! I don't see this as a viable option to think about, not yet anyway, even though the fast disapearance of all kinds of rights and liberties since Mr. Blair 's Bilderberg approved policies are in the making. That State as it is a direct menace for democracy in Europe should never be accepted by the EC! This could of course be another decisive threshold into the appreciation of Europe being on that fascist slope or not! But this is an entire different debate. Nevertheless it sets the stage for the spirit in which Turkey wishes to rejoin this club of Nations. There's little doubt that Turkey is a true Democracy. That there is mistreatment of prisoners (both criminal and political) cannot be denied. That is, however, true of this country where it is done sneakily, but anyone who keeps track of things going on in our prisons and what was done to the McDougals, knows it is a fact here. Turkey will probably not be accepted into the European Union, but the real reason is that Greece will fight such acceptance, and Greece always wins. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Pinochet
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had an email from someone this morning who does not think that Pinochet should be released. He should of course never have been arrested. Other writers have answered this rather better than I can. Boris Johnson is perhaps the most relevant as he does out of his way to state his DISLIKE of Pinochet. Telegraph Leading Article January 13th Straw's Clutches Jack Straw's announcement that he is "minded" to release General Pinochet in a week's time is an unusual way to resolve an extradition case - or, rather, to try to resolve it. When he decided to release the IRA terrorist Roisin McAliskey on health grounds rather than extradite her to Germany, the Home Secretary did not give the world notice of his intentions. In that instance, though, he did not have to worry about a potential challenge - legal or political - from Amnesty or his own Left wing. In this case, he obviously feels that he does. So, if - and at this stage it still is if - Chile's former president goes home next week, the Home Secretary will doubtless congratulate himself on a neat manoeuvre, successfully concluded. But it was open to him to release the general at any stage, as the House Of Lords pointedly reminded him nearly a year ago. Instead, by making the general stew in Surrey for more than a year and then acting only on medical advice, Mr Straw may have extracted maximum political advantage within the Labour Party. If General Pinochet does end up facing the courts in Chile, Mr Straw will doubtless feel even better. This, after all, has been a highly political affair right from the start. That probably explains why the Government has acted throughout, with almost total disregard for Chilean opinion and interests. The timing of this latest announcement, just days before the country holds the second round of its presidential elections, was particularly insensitive. So was the original readiness to go along with the request from a maverick Spanish magistrate for the general's extradition. Spain conspicuously (and, in the view of most observers, wisely) refrained from settling old scores in the wake of the Franco era. For it then to attempt, in effect, to override the Chileans' own delicate internal settlement after their dictatorship, was a gross abuse of national sovereignty. No wonder the case was bitterly resented by Chile's democratic government, and as Boris Johnson points out on the opposite page, unanimously condemned as "judicial colonialism" by its neighbours at the Iberian/South American summit last year. Relations between Latin America and both Spain and Britain could take years to recover. In Europe, meanwhile, a new principle of international law has been invented on the hoof, one that holds heads of government criminally responsible - but only on their retirement - for acts committed by their subordinates. Quite where this will end, no one can yet tell. Could ex-president Yeltsin be arrested and charged in connection with Russian conduct in Chechnya? That way lies mayhem. Or will this new principle be applied only to relatively powerless countries? Its exponents argue that the Pinochet case will serve as a warning to other despots to moderate their behaviour. But is could just as easily deter them from handing over power to democratic successors, as Pinochet did of his own volition, not the act of a tyrant. At the end if this case, when final tally is made, the law of sovereign immunity will be in a mess, where before it was reasonably clear; Spain will have been shown to have been hypocritical; and Britain - which welcomed the general as an official guest before arresting him - will have been made to look both dishonourable and indecisive. Extracts from Boris Johnson contributor article January 13th ⦠(Pinochet's) imprisonment has been a political shambles and a legal farce. This was political, and not merely legal, from the minute that Garzon - who is also trying to extradite Signor Berlusconi, the former Italian prime minister, and an assortment of Argentinean generals - served the warrant. Of course the British could have ignored it. It would, after all, have been the first ever application of its kind of the UN Convention against Torture. Of course they could have spotted that any such move would radicalise opinion in Chile and would be opposed by the Chilean government. Instead, undergraduate (note 1) memories came flooding back, of the coup against Allende, of candlelit vigils; and Pinochet became a cheap means for Labour to parade its evanescent conscience. If you need any evidence that this case was political, it was Peter Mandelson's attack on Pinochet's "gut-wrenching" crimes, or Blair's conference speech, in which he accused the Tories of being the party of Pinochet. The very Law Lords seemed infected by political bias. When Lord Justice Hoffman was forced to admit his links with
[CTRL] FW: Health - Part 2: Erb's/Cerebral Palsy EASILY preventable some of the time?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-
PARENTS: Please ask yourselves: Why let ANY deliveries proceed with the
birth canal "massively" closed?
("Massive" is the word used by the MDs who conducted the obviously bogus
cover-up research. See http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/part2ftc.html )
I think the grisly practice continues because MDs are frightened.
They are frightened that new malpractice suits and criminal charges could
be
brought...
AND they are frightened that OLD malpractice lawsuits could be reopened.
This is why I openly call for pardons in advance for MDs - even after one
"quackbuster" (Fox; see below), called me a "f**king idiot" for calling for
such pardons...
One Harvard MD (Rind) tried an ad hominem attack (called me "loony") then
admitted he didn't know enough about obstetrics to argue with me about the
bizarre fetal skull squashing/shoulder trapping biomechanics.
Ultimately, this Harvard MD tried to redefine ad hominem to account for his
failure to act to help mothers and babies...
See "MDs frightened/Harvard MD Rindâs intellectual dishonesty"...
http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=490807417
When New Zealand's Kerry Thornbury [MD] wrote:
"we want evidence that 'skull squashing' occurs at all, except maybe in
women with abnormal pelvic size or shape.
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=500913106
I replied:
"I want evidence that 'skull squashing' *ISN'T* occurring - as MDs lie
about
simple biomechanics and indirectly claim that fetal skull squashing not
only
occurs routinely but also KILLS..." See "Unexplained actual dents in fetal
skulls/Dr. Kerry Thornbury is resistant"...
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=502943036
WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO...
Send this post - by e-mail or by surface mail - to university teaching
hospitals. Please copy me in your e-mail and in your surface mail when you
do. Ask them to send their criticisms to me.
DEMAND that MD-obstetricians either stop teaching medical students that it
is normal to jam the sacral tip up to 4 cm into the pelvic outlet at
delivery - or refute my evidence that this is exactly what is occuring.
I am focusing (via "Quackbuster" Fox) on George Rupp, PhD.
Dr. Rupp is president of Columbia University and may still chair the
Association of American Universities (AAU).
AAU could IMMEDIATELY stop fetal skull squashing in most top
university-affiliated teaching hospitals nationwide.
Smaller teaching hospitals would follow suit - as would community
hospitals.
PARENTS: Do you know a Columbia University student or a Columbia
University
alumnus?
In addition to preventing maternal, fetal and infant suffering (and
death) -
there are millions and billions of dollars per year to be saved - almost
instantly - just by stopping fetal skull squashing and American medicine's
senseless most frequent surgeries - both genital mutilations - one of which
is related to fetal skull squashing ...
Ending fetal skull squashing is my priority though...
See...
âColumbia U. Senate/RUPP: Emergency! Will you help the tiniest Americans
and
their mothers?â
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530202433
Publicly ask (in newsgroups) that Columbia University Prof. (and usenet
"Quackbuster") Aaron Fox, PhD publicly ask CU Senate managing secretary Tom
Mathewson to circulate âColumbia U. Senate/RUPP: Emergency!" (URL above) to
all CU Senators. (Mr. Mathewson has said that he will circulate the e-mail
if asked to do so by a CU faculty or student - or perhaps even an alumnus.
Does anyone know a CU faculty member or student - or alum?)
Publicly ask (in the newsgroups) that "Quackbuster" Fox publicly ask CU
Pres. Rupp to 1) circulate the e-mail to all AAU-affiliated teaching
hospitals; and 2) recommend that MDs be pardoned in advance so as to hasten
an end to the MD-inflicted mass human suffering. Do NOT contact Fox
privately - unless he has requested that you do so... ASK OTHERS TO DO THE
SAME. REMEMBER: CU Bylaws cover ANY behavior by ANY instructor - which
includes CU's MD employees - and the
CU Senate web page says the CU Senate is open to input from "outsiders."
For the CU Senate web page address, see,
âColumbia U. Senate/RUPP: Emergency! Will you help the tiniest Americans
and
their mothers?â
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530202433
OPEN SECRET: "Quackbusters" are ignoring **MD** quackery - the **most
frequent** and **most grisly** quackery. This is NOT to say that DCs
aren't
practicing fraudulently. They are; and hopefully California Assemblyman
GALLEGOS - a DC - is doing something about BOTH professions gross frauds.
I
sent the post cited below on Jan. 7, 2000. No response yet. Hopefully
Assemblyman Dr. GALLEGOS will take action to PREVENT more subluxations than
DCs will ever be able to adjust by hand. Related issue: Dr. GALLEGOS
could
help me delay the warehousing of our elderly in nursing homes - just by
using his political
[CTRL] FW: Health - Part 1: Erb's/Cerebral Palsy EASILY preventable some of the time?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Forwarded without comment. Any comments or questions should be taken up with Todd Gastaldo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) In a message dated 1/14/00 2:56:19 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Erb's/Cerebral Palsy EASILY preventable some of the time? Date: 1/14/00 2:56:19 GMT Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Todd Gastaldo) ATTENTION parents of children with unexplained Erb's palsy, unexplained Cerebral Palsy, unexplained motor and sensory deficits, unexplained low APGARs, unexplained stillbirth, etc. See my list of questions put to "Quackbuster" Fox toward the end of this post... Regarding the following four points, PLEASE read Point 4 carefully. 1. MDs indirectly ADMIT that the most common delivery positions (dorsal and semisitting) jam mothers' sacral tips up to 4.0 cm into their pelvic outlets (4.O cm is about 1.5 inches)... See below. 2. MDs indirectly admit that dorsal and semisitting delivery positions cause up to 4.0 cm of fetal skull distortion... See below. 3. MDs claim that 0.5 to 1.0 cm of distortion can KILL... See below. 4. MDs DIRECTLY admit that, in semisitting delivery, after the fetal head is born (squashed up to 4 cm) - the shoulders can get stuck via the same mechanism - thereby causing SHOULDER DYSTOCIA... "[F]actors tending to cause SHOULDER DYSYTOCIA...CREATED BY THE DORSAL LITHOTOMY POSITION...the sacrum...[is] the main pressure point of the pelvis in the lithotomy position..." (emphasis added) [Smeltzer. Clin Obstet Gynecol 1986;29(2):299-308] British obstetrician Jason Gardosi, MD says in effect that the bizarre obstetric delivery method called semisitting causes "many" cases of "so-called" shoulder dystocia... http://home1.gte.net/gastaldo/part2ftc.html Here is Dr. Gardosi informing thousands of obstetricians - to no avail... "The anterio-posterior [OUTLET] diameter is reduced in recumbent and lithotomy positions where the weight is taken on the sacrum. The sacrum is capable of rotational movement through an axis at the upper part of the sacro-iliac joint..." Jason Gardosi MD FRCS MRCOG Queen's Medical Centre, Nottingham NG7 2UH, U.K. http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9705/0002.html Dr. Gardosi wrote further: "There have been several radiological studies suggesting that recumbent and lithotomy positions reduce the pelvic outlet. Ironically, this is the position in which many women end up for instrumental delivery due to failed progress - a particularly high risk situation for real shoulder dystocia!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ob/Gyn, Queen's Medical Centre University of Nottingham, UK http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9510/0015.html And finally, Dr. Gardosi wrote: "Many so called 'shoulder dystocias' are just difficult deliveries caused by a recumbent position. Apart from the sacrum being pushed upward, reducing the AP diameter, it is difficult to allow lateral flexion when the presenting shoulder abuts on the mattress" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ob/Gyn, Queen's Medical Centre University of Nottingham, UK http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9510/0015.html Shoulder dystocia can be fatal. Shoulder dystocia can also cause Brachial Plexus Palsy crippling children temporarily - or for life. Shoulder dystocia is understandably the condition that obstetricians fear most... See... âMDs fear this/OBs on shoulder dystociaâ⦠http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=329325910 Incredibly, Dr. Gardosi, just mentioned, is said to think I am a "malicious nutcase" for protesting routine fetal skull squashing/shoulder trapping... British obstetrician Malcolm Griffiths, MD wrote: âI think it's clear that Jason I consider this guy a malicious nutcase.â http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0159.html (Dr. Griffiths was referring to the fact that, in 1997, when I came onto OB-GYN-List to notify obstetricians of these facts, I was censored by OB-GYN-Listowner Geffrey Klein, MD - but not before two of my posts were automatically archived in the OB-GYN-List archive... I had pointed out that Dr. Griffiths had his biomechanics backwards. See... http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0128.html http://forums.obgyn.net/forums/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0153.html ) In response to my OB-GYN-List posts, Dr. Gardosi indicated he had made "corrections" of my "various misquotes and misinterpretations" back in 1990 when we first corresponded: Just for the record, I have responded to Mr Gestaldo's comments when he first wrote to me several years ago, and have nothing to add here. I failed to make any headway then, and am not likely to succeed now, in correcting his various misquotes and misinterpretations. Dr. Griffiths replied: Jason, Thanks for this mail and the one to the list on the subject. He's mad ! Malcolm http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.9707/0158.html Neither
Re: [CTRL] [theseries] Fw: FBI ABUSE
Global Union (NWO!) political police's strategy... Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Pinochet, Pol Pot et al. did love that, and actal Chinese and many others do love it too Excuse me! Who, what, where? Duhh.. What about Europe you say? Frans -Original Message-From: The High Priestess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 12:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: [theseries] Fw: FBI ABUSE Does this sound familiar? Thought you might find it interesting,,, Jennifer -Original Message-From: John Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [theseries] Fw: FBI ABUSE - Original Message - From: vikki To: mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@mx1.techline.com Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Fw: FBI ABUSE Coming to your neighborhood soon.-Original Message-This is in answer to complaints against the Senate's passage of lawsoutlawing free speech under guise of the drug laws. Starting 1979 theFBI began raiding offices of attorneys considered too successful in courtagainstthem. This was expanded in the late 80's and early 90's to includesteali[Jennifer]ngnattorney income under guise of the 'anti-racketeering law', and also the'drug laws'. No one was interested in hearing about it, with most otherattorneys 'too busy' to get involved. Now the FBI is known to simplyphoneand threaten attorneys should they accept and defend clients blacklistedbythe FBI; or even to represent them as plaintiffs in actions notinvolvingtheFBI. (first known case: Meridian, Mississippi 1990)Cannibis Culture personnel need to join with other allies, expand theirsupport to other people, and organizations. No one group alone cansuccessfully stand for long against communistic laws nullifying theConsitution. Together we can make a huge difference in the politicalarena,and in the repealing of unconstitutional laws and the enforcement oflawsprotecting against police and prosecutorial abuse under color of law.Anyone and everyone is invited to join with Multinfo.com/org, Inc. in thisendeavor. Fax: 570-586-8599; http://www.multinfo.com. eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/theserieswww.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
[CTRL] FW: [bigchat] Re: Laetrile under fire
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [bigchat] Re: Laetrile under fire From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A correspondent sent me a piece of tendentious writing "proving" that laetrile did not work. Phillp Day offers the brilliant refutation below which is worthy of the widest dissemination. Hi Geoff I have often refuted this piece. The reason the federal B17 tests failed was because they refused to use laetrile in conjunction with pancreatic enzymes and emulsified Vitamin A. Dr Harold Manner, professor at Loyola University, often said laetrile by itself was useless unless used in conjunction with the enzymes and Vit A. Other researchers also found that the B17 the feds were using did not contain noticeable amounts of cyanide, a fact published with full chemical analysis in the Cancer Control Journal. Don't you find it interesting that clinics around the world have been using B17 metabolic therapy to such effect and the Feds just can't seem to make it work? How convenient! Would Oasis, Stella Maris, Manner, Silbersee and other clinics have used B17 for so long if it didn't work, and work conspicuously well? Here are some of the lies that have cost you your loved ones... Dr Schmidt, FDA Commissioner, in March 1974: "...Every study to date has not found any evidence of efficacy [with laetrile and] if there was one shred of evidence from animal or cell systems I would issue an IND." (Investigational New Drug status that approves clinical testing in humans) "No evidence of anti-tumour activity has been found in any of the tests [with laetrile]." Robert Wetherell, Acting Director, Office of Legislative Services, US Food Drug Administration "All [laetrile] testing by the National Cancer Institute has found no evidence of activity against cancer." Dr Robert Hadsell, Office of Cancer Communications, National Cancer Institute in a letter sent throughout the US and abroad "[laetrile] has repeatedly been tested in animal tumour systems at the National Cancer Institute. In no instance did laetrile have activity in any animal tumour system. There is no basis for the use of laetrile in man based on the data derived from experiments in animals." Interoffice memo sent to department heads of the US Mayo Clinic, January 1974 "Extensive animal tumour studies conducted independently at two outstanding cancer research centers, New York Memorial Sloan Kettering (MSK) and the Southern Research Institute, have shown this drug to be totally without evidence of anticancer activity." Dr Charles Moertel, Mayo Clinic, in a letter published in the Rochester (MN) Post Bulletin, 21st January 1974 NCI's Dr Dean Burk oversaw many of the details surrounding the testing of laetrile in the 1970s. Burk states that positive, statistically highly significant, anti-cancer activity by laetrile in animal tumour systems has been observed in at least 5 independent institutions in 3 widely separated countries of the world, with a variety of animal cancers: 1). Southern Research Institute (Birmingham Alabama), for the NCI, in a majority of 280 BDF1 mice bearing Lewis lung cancers, treated with up to 400 mg Laetrile (Amygdalin MF) per kg body weight, with respect to increased median life span (3rd December 1973) 2). Sloan Kettering (New York) with CD8 F1 mice bearing spontaneous mammary carcinomas, inhibition of formation of lung metastases, inhibition of growth of primary tumours, and greater health and appearance of animal hosts, upon treatment with 1-2 gm Laetrile/per kg body weight/day. (13th June 1973) 3). Scind Laboratories, University of San Francisco, 400 rats bearing Walker 256 carcinoma (200 treated with Amygdalin, 200 controls), with 80% increase in life span at optimum dosage (500 mg Amygdalin/kg body weight). (Oct 10, 1968) NCI Director Carl Baker wrote to Congressman Edwin W Edwards on 26th January 1971: "The data provided by the McNaughton Foundation certainly indicates some activity in animal tumour systems." (our emphasis added) 4). Pasteur Institute (Paris), with human cancer strain maintained in mice, treated at optimal dosage of 500 mg Amygdalin Marsan/kg body weight/day, increased life span and delayed tumour growth up to 100% (6th Dec 1971) 5). Institute Von Ardenne (Dresden, Germany), H strain mice bearing Ehrlich ascites carcinoma treated with bitter almond amygdalin ad libitum in addition to regular chow diet, yielded increased life span and decreased rate of cancer growth, treatment beginning 15 days before cancer inoculation (arch. Geschwulstorsch. 42, 135-7 (1973)) Dr Harold Manner, the Chicago cancer specialist, had himself verified the theoretical action of amygdalin with repeated experiments of his own. Here is an excerpt of an interview
[CTRL] FW: OBRL - Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James DeMeo Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:15 AM To: *OBRL_News Subject: OBRL - Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH From: OBRL-News [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:- Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wellnow.com Subject: Wilms tumors / Milk / rBGH News from Robert Cohen, who's on a hunger strike to publicize and urge removal of rBGH from the dairy business and its effects from the milk supply. In the past few days we've heard from someone, about a 1-1/2-year old girl who had to have a kidney removed due to a Wilms tumor. We contacted Robert about this, and he promptly replied with a citation to a study, several years old, showing high levels of IGF-1, a hormone that is elevated in milk from rBGH-treated cows, in Wilms tumors. More below. + Following our recent mail-out of Robert Cohen's testimony before Congress, concerning Monsanto's recombinant (genetically modified) Bovine Growth Hormone and its effects on the nation's milk supply, we received this from a correspondent: -I have a friend whose year and a half old daughter that had to -have a kidney removed this summer ' 99. She had a Wilms tumor. -They told me that the incidence of the tumors is increasing. They -also were told it was a genetic factor that she got the tumor. -During my visits to the hospital the mother stated that it was hard -to get her daughter to drink water as a clear liquid because she had -never had water before. She had only had milk her entire life. Robert Cohen replies: Milk from the healthiest cows contains the bovine growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I). Yun demonstrated that IGF hormones were 32-64 times more abundant in Wilms tumors than in the adjacent uninvolved kidneys. (K. Yun, et al. "Insulin-like growth factor II messenger ribonucleic acid expression in Wilms tumor, nephrogenic rest, and kidney." Department of Pathology, University of Otago Medical School, Dunedin, New Zealand. Lab-Invest., November, 1993, 69(5), pp. 603-615.) IGF-1, says Cohen, is the only known cross-species hormone, one that is identical in cows and in humans. It is always present in dairy products, but is -more- present (elevated) in milk from rBGH-treated cows. More from Robert Cohen at: http://www.notmilk.com http://www.hungerstrike.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to arrange interviews, appearances: 1-888-NOT-MILK (Ann or Lisa) + Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:36:27 -0500 SUBSTANTIAL DIVERGENCE On this 50th day of my hunger strike, I have learned a new secret, and I am very greatly concerned. While anti-biotech protestors were rioting in the streets of Seattle, a new episode in the continuing saga of Monsanto's revolving door tactics quietly developed beyond FDA's "palace" doors. Somebody may be breaking the law, participating in unethical activity at the least, insider trading and influence, betrayal of our health interests, and the time has come for us to ask: "What's up?" The same grandiloquent question that Bugs Bunny asks Elmer Fudd can fittingly be asked of our scientists and government regulators: "What's up, Doc?" Appropriately, that question should also be directed to the president of Monsanto, Robert Shapiro. "What's up, Bob?" Actually, as we get closer to asking this very same question to the guiltiest of conspirators, we have discovered a source of future ills in the nick of time. Knowing the proper question to ask might very well nip the problem deep within the pollen of its genetically engineered bud. THE REAL ENEMY Today, on this first day after Christmas, let us ask together, "What's up, John." You might be wondering just who this John fellow is. Actually, it's UPJOHN. You might ask, "What's up, John?" Well, I'm gonna tell you. Activists of the world, unite. We have met the enemy. (UPJOHN is not where I want you to stick your proverbial placards and banners of protest. Not yet, anyway.) When Monsanto first presented their research to the FDA for approval of the genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH), there were also three other pharmaceutical companies with their own different versions of the genetically modified organism. Monsanto's protein formula was different than the naturally occurring bovine growth hormone. Monsanto's hormone was not an exact version of the natural pituitary extract from a cow. The end amino acid (amino acids are the building blocks of proteins) was just a little bit different than what naturally occurs in nature. Actually, it was VERY different, but Monsanto neglected to reveal all of their secrets until after their drug
Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono-
About "crap" you're the dean! Wake up !
Stick to the Bible, at least there you don't harm anybody.
Frans
-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 3:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono-
1/11/2k
This is a bunch of crap. It's not that the US isn't capable of doing
something like this, it's more a case of probabilities.
The probability that Aids was invented, is WAY down on the list.
There is absolutely NO reason that Aids, which is a syndrome and
not a disease, did not evolve in the natural ( though polluted )
environment.
Joshua2
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-Caveat Lector-
..
Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Roberta Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 10:02 PM
will you help spread this? It is something we do need to know about, and
it
will be taken off the internet SOON!
-Original Message-
From: Roberta Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: alt.politics
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 9:29 PM
Subject: Was the AIDS VIRUS CREATED AT Ft.Detrick , Maryland, USA?
According to Dr.Wm.Campbell Douglass, MD ("WHO MurderedAfrica";1969
House
subcommittee on Appropriations Dept of Defense testimony requesting
funding for an HIV weapon; WHO bulletin calling for creation of HIV ;
pivotal London times Article) that is the case. It is unthinkable
that
this should be possible, but there is a NEED to KNOW --IF our
government
did this we can but wonder what is their intent toward each of us?
We
cannot undo the past, but perhaps we can modify the future! It is my
PRAYER AND HOPE that this report is nOT true, it is horrible beyond
belief. However, WHY is there a black out on even questioning it?
Why
are
the internet postings taken down as fast as they go ou regarding this?
IF
THERE IS NOTHING TO IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH LOOKING INTOIT? Rep JJ
Duncan was provided a copy of the Douglass report. Have Your
representative get a copy from him to send to you!
DR. Douglass was qualified to make such a report: He is a a4th
generation
physican and his family has been serving the state of Georgia since
1850. Dr. Douglass is a graduate of the University of Rochester Ny,
the
University of Miami School of Medicine and the United States Naval
School
of Aviation and Space Medicine. HE was voted Doctor of the year in
1985
by the National Health foundation and was former state president of
Florida American College of Emergency Physicans.
He is quite detailed and emphatic in his assertions regarding AIDS :
HE
deserves to be heard and WE deserve to know what ever the truth may
be.
That i s not too much to ask!
Representative Duncan is quite well informed on some horrendous
conduct
against Americans by the US Army , he is outspoken on Waco ( which
included the use of Delta forces)... He should have no qualms about
letting
other representatives have a copy of the Douglass report. The Secy of
Army,
Louis Caldera can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Duncan at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or you may contact me directly at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
It will be interesting to see how soon this is removed from the web!
This
is supposed to be a free forum but it did not take long for the
initial
postings on this topic to be removed! We have whole columns of
outdated
postings by one loquatious author but the ones dealing with gays and
this
AIDS factor are instantly snatched off. SOMEONE is TWITCHY WHO AND
WHY?
IF there is nothing to this what is there to fear? For my part, I
WANT A
HEARING ON THIS AND THE TRUTH MADE CLEAR DRDOUGLASS HAS
STATED FLAT
OUT
that the AIDS virus was made in this country and it was inflicted on
Africa . I am quoting from the article by dr. Douglass here " IT WAS
NOT
AN
ACCIDENTIt was deliberate. In the Federation Proceedings of the
United
States in 1972 , WHO said:"In the relation to the immune response A
NUMBER
OF USEFUL EXPERIMENTAL APPROACHES CAN BE VISUALIZED " They
suggested
that
a neat way to put their new killer viruas(AIDS) into a vacination
program,
sit back, and observe results."This would be particularly informative
in
sibships," they said. That is, give AIDS virus to brother and sisters
and
see if they die, who dies first, and of what, jsut like using rats in a
labratory. They
[CTRL] FW: Fwd: Fw: More on Clinton
Pas it on. -Original Message-From: The White House at Donner Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: SALES Office [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:56 PMSubject: More on Clinton WE, THE OLDER GENERATION, WHAT A FRIVOLOUS GROUP WE WERE! Our beloved President shares our pain...I was embarrassed toreadthat President Clinton and his advisors have said, The oldergenerationmust learn to sacrifice as other generations have done. That's my generation. I knew eventually someone would ferret outthedirty secret: we've lived the lifestyle of the rich and famous allourlives. Now, I know I must bare the truth about my generation and letthecountry condemn us for our selfishness. During the Depression we had an hilarious time dancing to the tune ofBrother Can You Spare A Dime? We could choose to dine at any ofthecountry's fabulous soup kitchens, often joined by our parents andsiblings...those were the heady days of carefree self-indulgence. Then, with World War ll, the cup filled to overflowing. We had thechance to bask on the exotic beaches of Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima andOkinawa;to see the capitols of Europe and travel to such scenic spots asBastogne,Malamedy and Monte Cassino. Of course, one of the most exhilaratingadventures was the stroll from Bataan to the local Japanese hotels,laughingly known as death camps. But the good times reallyrolled for those lucky enough to be on the beaches of Normandy for theswimming and boating that pleasant June day in '44. Unforgettable.Even luckier were those that drew the prized holiday tickets forcruises onsleek, gray ships to fun filled spots like Midway, The Solomons andMurmansk. Instead of asking, what can we do for our country, anindulgent government let us fritter away our youth wandering idlythroughthe lush and lovely jungles of Burma and New Guinea.Yes, it's all true: we were pampered, we were spoiled rotten, wenever didrealize what sacrifice meant. We envy you, Mr. Clinton, the harshlessonsyou learned in London , Moscow and Little Rock. My generationis old, Mr. President...and guilty; but we are repentant.Punish us for our failings, sir, that we may learn the true meaning ofDuty,Honor, and Country.Robert J. Grady, Lt. Col., USAF (Ret), Colorado SpringsIF YOU FEEL AS I DO, YOU WILL PASS THIS ON TO EVERY ONE ONYOUR LIST REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL PREFERENCE. Pass it on. -Original Message- From: The White House at Donner Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SALES Office [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:56 PM Subject: More on Clinton WE, THE OLDER GENERATION, WHAT A FRIVOLOUS GROUP WE WERE! Our beloved President shares our pain...I was embarrassed to read that President Clinton and his advisors have said, "The older generation must learn to sacrifice as other generations have done." That's my generation. I knew eventually someone would ferret out the dirty secret: we've lived the "lifestyle of the rich and famous" all our lives. Now, I know I must bare the truth about my generation and let the country condemn us for our selfishness. During the Depression we had an hilarious time dancing to the tune of "Brother Can You Spare A Dime?"We could choose to dine at any of the country's fabulous soup kitchens, often joined by our parents and siblings...those were the heady days of carefree self-indulgence. Then, with World War ll, the cup filled to overflowing. We had the chance to bask on the exotic beaches of Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima and Okinawa; to see the capitols of Europe and travel to such scenic spots as Bastogne, Malamedy and Monte Cassino. Of course, one of the most exhilarating adventures was the stroll from Bataan to the local Japanese hotels, laughingly known as death camps. But the good times really rolled for those lucky enough to be on the beaches of Normandy for the swimming and boating that pleasant June day in '44. Unforgettable. Even luckier were those that drew the prized holiday tickets for cruises on sleek, gray ships to fun filled spots like Midway, The Solomons and Murmansk. Instead of asking, "what can we do for our country, "an indulgent government let us fritter away our youth wandering idly through the lush and lovely jungles of Burma and New Guinea. Yes, it's all true: we were pampered, we were spoiled rotten, we never did realize what sacrifice meant. We envy you, Mr. Clinton, the harsh lessons you learned in London , Moscow and Little Rock. My generation is old, Mr. President...and guilty; but we are repentant. Punish us for our failings, sir, that we may learn the true meaning of Duty, Honor, and Country. Robert J. Grady, Lt. Col., USAF (Ret), Colorado Springs IF YOU FEEL AS I DO, YOU WILL
[CTRL] FW: [Tips] Jailed for Healing
-Caveat Lector-
This is GOOD information.
Frans
-Original Message-
From: Jeannette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Tips] Jailed for Healing
From: Jeannette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: OBRL-News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:- Jailed for Healing
Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.orgonelab.org
Forwarded News Item
Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups
**
Message From the Growing American Gulag - Jailed for Healing
(NOTE: According to a Rachel Report recently posted to OBRL-news, 25% of
all imprisoned human beings on planet Earth are imprisoned in an American
prison. One in every 20 Americans will be incarcerated at some point in
their life. This chance rises to one in four if you are black. America's
growing population of imprisoned persons is now at around 2 million. About
2/3's of these people are imprisoned for non-violent offences -- 60% of all
federal prisoners are there for drug-related convictions. Federal law in
the USA now treats healers who employ unapproved medicines the same as it
treats dealers selling illegal narcotics, such as cocaine, heroin, etc.
The following post in part discusses the blood test methods of Gaston
Naessens, which is similar in some respects to Wilhelm Reich's blood test
-- dissimilar in other respects -- but shows once again that the malicious
attacks of the medical-pharmaceutical industry are not limited only to
Reich.
J.D. )
++
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Pixley
Introduction:
YOGA* for the 21st CENTURY
*(The Purposeful Life of the SELF Conscious MAN.)
http://www.sivakalpa.org/siva2.htm
Awakened at 4 a.m., coffee, shower, morning prayer and off to the camp
kitchen. Breakfast is prepared for approximately 300 men. After
cleaning the institutional kitchen, we start over again preparing
lunch.
After work, a session on the track, the weight room, the bocci court or
Hatha Yoga class with The White Lotus Foundation: "Healing Arts" tape
series with Ganga White, Tracey Rich, Patricia Walden, or Rodney Yee as
master guides. http://www.whitelotus.org/
Rest and dinner, then 4 to 6 hours of work on a translation
transcription of THE HOLY QURAN from the ancient Arabic into modern
English text. Then rest and sleep until the cycle begins again the next
morning.
No meat, no bread, no desserts except fruits, no alcohol, no sex and no
leaving the confines of the small mountain camp. Does this sound like
life in an ashram?
No, it's a federal prison camp in Schuylkill, Pennsylvania, North of
Harrisburg. The diet is survival by choice; the rest is making the
days count instead of counting the days.
My "crime" was making available the knowledge of and access to 714X, a
homeopathic camphor compound which is well regarded and a highly
successful therapy against cancer. The mandatory portion of my sentence
was completed on July 26, 1997, after which began a three year probation
period.
We built a modest enterprise and sponsored the formal introduction of
714X to the American people. We endured modest hardships and helped
thousands of people and saved hundreds of lives. All who responded to
our efforts were terminal cancer patients, who had been given up as
hopeless, after receiving the standard orthodox therapies of surgery,
chemotherapy and radiation.
Many of those people are still alive today and many extended their
lives for months or years. After all, at the terminal stage of cancer,
there are no guarantees, only potential and hope.
Taking on the federal government proved to be a very costly, yet
rewarding challenge. A wise man once told me: "Impossible is a word
found only in a fool's dictionary." Pressure continues to this day
against me, my family, the corporation and our business associates by
the Food and Drug Administration ("FDA"). This eventually led to
intense investigations, federal indictment, prosecution, trial,
conviction and sentence of 19 years in jail, which was reduced to a year
and a day by a compassionate judge, appeal and total financial ruin.
French microbiologist, Gaston Naessens, who resides in Quebec, Canada,
first introduced 714X some 20 years ago.
It has since been used by over 100,000 terminal cancer patients, as
well as early stage cancer patients, in numerous countries with varying,
yet impressive, degrees of success, without one instance of any side
effect. Furthermore, it may be used as a preventive and is inexpensive.
714X was made legal by prescription for Canadian citizens by the
Canadian Department of Health and Welfare in 1989 after a three-year
emotional court battle, which was won by Gaston Naessens. The story of
this remarkable genius, his microscope, his phenomenal advancements in
understanding the blood, his ability to pre diagnose cancer and
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Flu
-Caveat Lector- I advise the 100% natural pure grapefruit seeds extract; fantastic for flu and many other things too! Happy New year to all, Frans (from Belgium) -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eagle 1 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Flu -Caveat Lector- This was the first year I ever took the flu shot, besides the military flora of shots some 20 odd years ago, and also this year took the pneumonia shot... I have been around people who've missed weeks of work, sicker than a dog... but unlike years past where I caught every flu bug coming down the pike, I've remained quite healthy. I do feel very sorry for those who have gotten sick this year. I understand it's one of the worst strains yet, with even worse ones to come. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 10:42 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Flu DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] rapist's legacy is in the Ford Building
-Caveat Lector- I beg you pardon!!! Maybe Bard has to run this by you again!! (to myself: no wonder we got the rapist and the others elected :=(( )! Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of pennie hammons Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] rapist's legacy is in the Ford Building -Caveat Lector- Hey, that's REALLY beautiful! When did we start accepting this kind of racist hate on CTRL? Pennie bard opines: Note: All the femmes, homos, jews, corrupt big-labor, illegals, blacks and other ignorant minorities should ask the question: Did we achieve our goals by the election of the rapist?? Your greed for power over the law-abiding, moral people of our Nation will not go unchecked; the day of reckoning will occur at either the Ballot Box or by use of the Powder Box. Warning: Any insidious attempt to remove defensive firearms from the populace will be met with the election defeat of the gun control lackeys, and the above supporters of the rapist will once again be forced back into their bottomless pit from whence they came. And if for some reason the ilk of the schumers, etc. overcome defeat then you scum had better start buying some weapons yourselves. I clean my weapons often to ensure effective use against the dregs of society which the above have spawned by their socialist policies. Any doped crazed bugger who attempts unlawful entry to my castle will cease to exist, nor will I consider it a sin to take Pride in his/her demise. Bard http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] FW: Message from a Seattle cop
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: NewsHawk Inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:17 AM Subject:Fwd: Message from a Seattle cop Importance: High 12.9.99 Fwd: Message from a Seattle cop This was received from Deuce. NewsHawk(r) Inc. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- This message came to me yesterdayfrom the original author, I might add. At least SOME cops have a clue. * Deuce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#395993 http://www.geocities.com/deuce42b http://skywatch.iwarp.com As a Police Officer from: K. John 12/8/1999 12:59 pm EST I have been a police officer for nearly eight years and used to live in the Seattle area. I thought the city was one of human rights and dignity to all men and women, regardless of color, creed and sexual preference. I now see the real city politics at work. "Screw the common man, let's talk money and popularity of our city as it becomes a hub for world trade!" My duty as a law enforcement officer is to keep the peace, bring criminals to justice, and ensure the protection of each citizens constitutional rights against any person or entity which stands to violate their rights. I must preface this next statement by admitting I am a staunch conservative. However, this slightly less than lethal combat used against American Citizens is an absolute atrocity of justice. I am truly appalled at the city of Seattle and the Federal Government for allowing this to happen. What have we become. I believe the framers of our constitution would be horrified if they were alive today. God help us all... "Hitler would be proud" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]]
-Caveat Lector- John, Maybe you should read this one first! Sorry to have said Vallée was a CIA agent, but from here and what I read since months now, the CIA has its paws, fingers and nails everywhere at all times anyway, so it might not be indirectly too far off! Let it be known also that I don't care to fan an argument, but try to find the truth. Light on Views on such important subjects because so involved with our direct future ought to be made, IMHO. I live 50 miles from France, in French speaking Belgium and know first hand what kind of politics and regime is there now, and what they're heading for: IMO, not far from an in between communist/fascist state which of course is one and the same for the daily lives of its citizenry, (Tony Blair is doing the same, mind you! just ways and means are different) I'd say since the US has been kicked out by The General and since then France is NOT part of NATO, it implies a lot of duplicate research done in the US since WWII.(i.e. the CERN in Geneva has built the first particules accelerator with a majority of French scientists and fundings) And considering the French influence in the making of the EU it is absolutely certain that the CIA has many spearheads in that country and is VERY active indeed. And surely through NGO (see Kosovo) Cui bono, indeed: who is really profiting from the debunking of these projects? I'd say, very subtly, the ones that are in control, and using for European (crowds) control, the post accelerator technological developments in Geneva. Is HAARP so far off from Montauk? Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Das GOAT Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]] * Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-12-09 06:12:15 EST, Das GOAT writes: "HawkEye" has even less credibility in my eyes than the nonsense he promotes. I refuse to be suckered into replying to disinformation agents in addition to con men That path leads invariably to a perpetual quicksand, opposing professional mindfuck artists, inexhaustible in output-and very well funded by "someone." On re-reading what I've written, I offer my apologies to "HawkEye." Although, as stated, I give him no credibility-in return, I invite him to give ME no credibility, as is his right-I did not mean to suggest that he, personally, was WITTINGLY a disformation agent-only that some of his SOURCES certainly appear to be, IMHO. I've asked Vallee (with whom I'm in touch) to respond to certain smears on him in the past but he's demurred, saying only that it's a waste of time. I understand that completely. It just isn't worth the time for scientific minds to argue at great length against the existence of the unreal, or to defend the facts against those whose judgment is faulty, or purposefullly skewed. If I were to go back to the primary sources that get endlessly rehashed by the various promoters of the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk thing, in order to refute them, I'd have to spend months on the task-and I'd end up summarizing all that research in a book no one would read anyway, because nothing is more unpopular than the truth, and publishers, with their eye on sensationalism, will publish Von Daniken and Sitchin but not exposes of Von Daniken and Sitchin. There's a tabloid-reading sucker born every minute, but there's no profit to be made in writing books telling them they're suckers. "NewsHawk" is welcome to post whatever he believes, whether *I* pooh-pooh it or not. Das GOAT (without the benefit of "Inc") will give his usual opinions, a bit sharp-tongued if in a bad mood (and nonsense such as Sitchin's and Bielek's put me in a bad mood) -- but what REALLY ticks me off is a flame war and side-taking developing from a major difference in opinion and/or belief, stated bluntly as, alas, I've done here. To head off any such waste of everyone's time, I herewith apologize to NewsHawk personally for how I categorize his sources and the credibility thereof. Let readers judge as they may. Mine is just one point of view. "NewsHawk" has just as much right to his OWN point of view. Having stated my opinion, I do not intend to engage in any lengthy arguments. If "NewsHawk" replies that MY credibility in HIS eyes is likewise diminished by whatever beliefs *I* promote, he's entitled to that opinion. Let our SOURCES of INFORMATION be the topic of discussion, if merited, rather than the personalities holding the opposing positions based on them. MY error, mea culpa, for incivility, too much "ad hominem," in response to Vallee being labelled a "CIA agent." Vallee has ENEMIES in the CIA. If anyone called ME a "CIA agent," I'd safely assume they were out to SILENCE me, using one of the classic strategies of disinformation agents working for -- guess who? Cui bono: Who profits by disputing Vallee's conclusion in "Messengers of
Re: [CTRL] Another slice of pi
Maybe this could help to shed some Light! Merry Christmas and grand and safe New Millenium (I know, I know, but the '1st year' was 'year O' , right? Not year '1AD'!) Frans (from Belgium) -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of earthman Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CTRL] Another slice of pi -Caveat Lector- Following on from my pi post pi=22/7 The following is from a nasa site confirming the 22 year magnetic cycle of the Sun.We are nearing the peak of the current solar cycle and I am trying to find out when this peak is about to occur and if this is the magnetic reversal cycle. I did wonder however that perhaps that mysterious 11:11 is referring to this cycle and the real activation is at the peak of the cycle as opposed to the man made date that we were led to believe.. Is anyone still experiencing these numbers or has it stopped since the 11th? So if anyone knows the answers to the above questions please let me know..I need to book the band LOL Oh and I think pi meaning gateway and 11:11 was touted as the Stargate that perhaps the 7 represents us and our 'ascension'.. We have heard of the 7 year itch and that we go through a 7 year cycle, and of course 7 colours and musical notes and tons of other stuff.So an opportunity may be in the offing to those in tune with this magical combination. Peter http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/dynamo.htm The surface magnetic fields exhibit Hale's Law (77 kb GIF image). Sunspot groups usually consist of two subgroups: the leading spots (leading in the direction of the sun's rotation) and the following spots. George Ellery Hale discovered that the leading spots in one hemisphere are usually of one polarity and the following spots are usually all of the opposite polarity. In the other hemisphere the polarities are reversed. Hale also found that the polarities reversed from one solar sunspot cycle to the next. This effect gives the sun a 22-year magnetic cycle. Sunspot groups also have characteristic tilts so that the leading spots are usually closer to the equator than the following spots (Joy's Law). This may be evidence of the Alpha Effect in which rising loops of magnetic field are twisted by the Sun's rotation. We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/poleshift DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om (fwd) ascension-l Please POST Sananda...Thanks.doc
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger]
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT, On which 'scriptures' do you base your assertion : " ...Al Bielek and fellow fabricators of the "Montauk" hoax." Thanks, Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Das GOAT Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Phil Ex by Brad Steiger] -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-12-06 18:21:53 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did " past life therapy " with Brad and Francie (?) Steiger. It, and they are fakes. They are New Age scam artists. Hear, hear. Steiger and his wife are the literary equivalent of "talk radio's" Art Bell. Steiger bases his book on the "Philadelphia Experiment" on the incredible bullshit of a clique of gay Scientologists -- Al Bielek and fellow fabricators of the "Montauk" hoax. (If David Ickes met them, he'd probably conclude they were all closet "reptoids" too.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GM organisms are dead - UK Monsanto Executives Want to Pull Out of GE
-Caveat Lector- Come on folks, as much as I am against these (GM organism for any food or else) don't even dream that the US Corp are the primary culprits! GM imposed without any labeling and/or standards are pushed onto the European consumer without their knowledge and/or approval! So much for the EU commissions and consumer protection acts! Welcome to the left (liberal!) side of politics. European ban of GM foods are no consumer concern but only protectionism Wake up world, you get screwed by those guys one way or the other. Frans from Belgium (really against this bulls!) PS: I Thank God we have a garden and my wife is a green hand! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CTRL] "GM organisms are dead" - UK Monsanto Executives Want to Pull Out of GE -Caveat Lector- No market in Japan or Europe for GE FrankenFood(tm) Will the controlled U.S. media continue to withold information? Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave -Original Message- From: Richard Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GEN11-29 Biotech News, by Richard Wolfson, PhD Reprinted with permission from the December 1999 issue of Alive: Canadian Journal of Health and Nutrition, 7436 Fraser Park Drive, Burnaby, BC V5J 5B9 Deutsche Bank advises against Biotech Europe's biggest bank, Deutsche Bank, has advised several thousand of the world's largest investors not to invest in biotechnology. The report to its investors warns that farmers who plant biotech crops could lose money and that the market value of biotech companies could collapse. The report concludes: "GM organisms are dead" because consumers are suspicious about their impact on human health and the environment. The full report is accessible at: http://www.biotech-info.net/Deutsche.html Biotech Firms Top Blacklist A survey of socially responsible investors by the Ethical Investment Trust shows that concern about investing in businesses carrying out biotech research has gone from being a minor issue two years ago to investors' second biggest concern. Arms manufacturing was ranked the least ethical investment, followed by biotech research. Grain Giant asks Farmers to Segregate U.S. grain giant Archer Daniels Midland Co. called on American farmers to segregate genetically modified and conventional crops. The British Retail Consortium, representing food outlets in UK, welcomed the move by ADM saying: "It will help British food retailers in their efforts to source non-GM ingredients." Grain merchants have already begun paying farmers higher prices for non-GE soy and corn. Demand for Non-Biotech Corn Because of the controversy over biotech crops, the American Corn Growers Association (ACGA) is asking farmers to plant non-genetically engineered corn. According to Gary Goldberg, CEO of the association, "GMOs have become the albatross around the neck of farmers on issues of trade, labeling, testing, certification, segregation, market availability and agribusiness concentration. Until all these issues are answered, it is best for production agriculture to examine alternatives to planting GMOs." Heinz GE-Free in Europe In responding to public outcry against genetically engineered ingredients, the Pittsburgh-based food giant Heinz eliminated all genetically modified ingredients from beans, soups and other products sold in Europe. GE Website for children http://www.oneworld.org/penguin/genetics/home.html is an excellent illustrated website for children about genetic engineering and its hazards. Visitors to the website are encouraged to download anything they like off the website as long as they acknowledge where it came from. Material from the site is already being used in schools in New Zealand. US Ambassador to EU Threatens Trade War Richard Morningstar, the new U.S. ambassador to the European Union, threatened a billion-dollar trade war over moves by European governments to refuse genetically engineered food imports. The warning fuels claims that the U.S. dominated biotech industry is using its ties with the American government to bully countries who do not want genetically modified foods. Super Opium Poppy Scientists in Australia have genetically engineered poppy plants capable of producing twice the opium. Australia produces about 25 percent of the world's legal opium. Senior police sources fear drug gangs, who have already stolen more than 50,000 poppy heads this year, could target seeds from the new super poppy. Honda Building U.S. Plant for GE-Free soybeans Honda Trading Corp of Japan is building a plant in Ohio (USA) for sorting non-genetically modified soybeans. The plant will have a capacity of 20,000 tonnes of soybeans per year. Soybeans from the plant will be sold to
Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer Awareness seminar
More info on cancer! Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CTRL] Breast Cancer Awareness seminar -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Zorka Papadopolos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:12 PM Subject: SB698:Lekarski savet -- Forwarded message -- *** From Katrina Scott Univ. of MD: Some time ago, I attended a Breast Cancer Awareness seminar put on by Terry Birk with support from Dan Sullivan. During the QA period, I asked why the most common (and what seemed to be deadliest) area for Breast Cancer was near the arm pit. My question could not be answered at that time. This email was just sent to me, and I find it interesting that my question has been answered. I challenge you all to re-think your everyday use of a product that could ultimately lead to a terminal illness. Precaution? I certainly hope so. A friend forwarded this to me. I showed it to a friend going through chemotherapy and she said she learned this fact in a support group recently. I wish I had known it 14 years ago. I just got information from a health seminar that I would like to share. The leading cause of breast cancer is the use of anti- perspirant. A Concentration of toxins that leads to cell mutations: a.k.a. CANCER. Yes, ANTI-PERSPIRANT. Most of the products out there are an anti-perspirant/deodorant combination so go home and check your labels. Deodorant is fine, anti-perspirant is not. Here's why: The human body has a few areas that it uses to purge toxins; behind the knees, behind the ears, groin area, and armpits. The toxins are purged in the form of perspiration. Anti-perspirant, as the name clearly indicates, prevents you from perspiring, thereby inhibiting the body from purging toxins from below the armpits. These toxins do not just magically disappear. Instead, the body deposits them in the lymph nodes below the arms since it cannot sweat them out. Nearly all breast cancer tumors occur in the upper outside quadrant of the breast area. This is precisely where the lymph nodes are located. Additionally, men are less likely (but not completely exempt) to develop breast cancer prompted by anti-perspirant usage because most of the anti-perspirant product is caught in their hair and is not directly applied to the skin. Women who apply anti-perspirant right after shaving increase the risk further because shaving causes almost imperceptible nicks in the skin which give the chemicals entrance into the body from the armpit area. PLEASE pass this along to anyone you care about. Breast Cancer is becoming frighteningly common. This awareness may save lives. If you are skeptical about these findings, I urge you to do some research for yourself. You will arrive at the same conclusions, I assure you. Thank you. Katrina Scott Asst Director of Sports Marketing Univ Maryland P.O. Box 295 Cole Field House/Campus Drive College Park, MD 20741-0295 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance?not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Tips Sources of Cancer Information apricot seeds etc.doc Tips Credence org.doc
[CTRL] FW: UN Global Gun Grab
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Chris W.Stark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 2:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:UN Global Gun Grab *** PGP Signature Status: unknown *** Signer: Unknown, Key ID = 0x843F56AC *** Signed: 25/11/1999 2:58:31 *** Verified: 26/11/1999 22:01:20 *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE !!ALERT!! Chris W. Stark - Director P.O. Box 1924 Crosby, Texas 77532-1924 Ph. (281) 787-4111 Fax (281) 328-7505 http://www.GOA-Texas.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/24/1999 UN Global Gun Grab _ "¤"¥"¤"§"¤"¥"¤"§"¤"¥"¤""¤ ¯ Copyright (c) 1999 by The New American. Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert is left intact in its original state. For additional information, go to http://www.goa-texas.org/U_nation.htm Vol. 15, No. 24 November 22, 1999 Global Gun Grab http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/11-22-99/vo15no24_gun.htm by Thomas R. Eddlem It's open season on the right to keep and bear arms as UN globocrats gear up for international gun controls. The United Nations is very troubled that the United States has retained its Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Radical new UN proposals treat free people with the means to effect their own self defense as a vital threat to the United Nations and its quest for what it calls the "peace-building process." More troubling still is the fact that for the first time this radical UN agenda represents a clear and present danger to our right to keep and bear arms. This is in part because the Clinton State Department is collaborating with the UN and its proposals. But another, perhaps more dangerous, prong of the UN attack on the right to keep and bear arms comes from an insidious quasi-private institution heavily funded by socialist Northern European governments. This little-known, UN-backed organization charges itself with developing "message strategies" and "campaigning and advocacy strategies" to obtain a UN-managed global ban on the private ownership of firearms. See: DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277, THE UNITED STATES PROGRAM FOR GENERAL AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT IN A PEACEFUL WORLD http://www.mikenew.com/pub7277.html Anti-Gun Agenda The United Nations "Report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms" issued on August 19th bitterly complains that "there are wide differences among States [nations] as regards which types of arms are permitted for civilian possession, and as regards the circumstances under which they can legitimately be owned, carried and used. Such wide variation in national laws raise difficulties for effective regional or international coordination." That the UN "experts" are complaining mainly about the United States is made clear from the concluding recommendations in the report. Among the "coordination" proposals adopted by the panel, enthusiastically seconded by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan in his foreword to the report - are the following: * "All States should ensure that they have in place adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the legal possession of small arms and light weapons and over their transfer" * "States are encouraged to integrate measures to control ammunition" * "States should work toward ... the prohibition of unrestricted trade and private ownership of small arms and light weapons" The UN report defines small arms to include just about every category of firearms that exists: "The category of small arms includes revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine guns." The United Nations call for banning even hunting rifles and antique revolvers from civilian possession demonstrates the radical and groundbreaking nature of the report. Though the current United Nations attack on the Second Amendment fails to take aim at civilian possession of shotguns, shotgun owners should find no security in the current UN focus. The UN report in no way limits global firearms restrictions to "military"-related firearms such as "revolvers" and "rifles." The UN "experts" explain that the United Nations must deal with firearms on social as well as military criteria: "Virtually every part of the United Nations system is dealing in one way or another with the consequences of the armed conflicts, insecurity, violence, crime, social disruption, displaced peoples and human suffering that are directly or indirectly associated with the wide availability and the use of these weapons." To implement their gun control measures, UN officials plan to ignore the reservation of national sovereignty guaranteed in the UN Charter the same way that the U.S.
Re: [CTRL] URGENT UPDATE
I have been with this about 8 months ago : this is a SCAM = exchange of US$48 against 48 Italian Liras is NOT the type of profits I wish to make on somebody's back!!! -Original Message-From: FVL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:19 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: URGENT UPDATEDear Friend: If you have already responded to the following announcement a few days ago, that means your package is already on its way and it should be arriving soon! If you have not responded to this before, please pay attention to it now. This is very important!!! IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ' ' Your future May Depend on it ! ! ! ! Before you know about this 'Important Announcement', you must first read the following 'Editorial Excerpts' from some important publications in the United States: NEW YORK TIMES: In concluding our review of Financial organizations to effect change in the 90's, special attention should be called to a California based organization, 'WORLD CURRENCY CARTEL'. Members of this organization are amassing hundred of millions of dollars in the currency market using a very LEGAL method which has NEVER been divulged to the general public. While their purpose is not yet known, their presence has most certainly been felt. NBC NIGHTLY NEWS: Members of 'World Currency Cartel', who always keep a low profile, are considered to be some of the most wealthiest people in North America. More excerpts later, but first let us give you this very IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: ' ' ' ' We are glad to announce that for the first time and for a very short period of time, WORLD CURRENCY CARTEL will instruct a LIMITED number of people worldwide on 'HOW TO CONVERT $25 INTO ONE HUNDRED OF LEGAL CURRENCY'. We will transact the first conversion for you, after that you can easily and quickly do this on your own hundreds or even thousands of times every month. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SECRET FLAW! * * It is even more explosive than we have yet disclosed. While currency does fluctuate daily, we can show you 'HOW TO CONVERT $99 INTO $588 AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT'. That means, you will be able to EXCHANGE $99, AMERICAN LEGAL CURRENCY DOLLARS, FOR $580 OF THE SAME. You can do this as many times as you wish, every day, every week, every month. All very LEGAL and effortlessly! It takes only 5 to 10 minutes each time you do this. You can do this from home, office or even while traveling. All you need is an access to a phone line and an address. Best of all, you can do this from ANY CITY ON THIS EARTH!!! Again, we must reiterate, anyone can do this and the source is NEVER-ENDING. For as long as the global financial community continues to use different currencies with varying exchange rates, the SECRET FLAW will exist. As we said earlier , we will do the first transaction for you and will show you exactly how to do this on your own, over and over again! The amount of exchange you would do each time is entirely up to you. Working just 2 to 10 hours a week, you can soon join the list of Millionaires who do this on a daily basis many times a day. The transaction is so simple that even a high school kid can do it! We at the World Currency Cartel would like to see a uniform global currency backed by Gold. But, until then, we will allow a LIMITED number of individuals worldwide to share in the UNLIMITED PROFITS provided for by the world currency differentials. We will espouse no more political views nor will we ask you to do so. We can say however, that our parent organization, CILS, benefits greatly by the knowledge being shared, as we ourselves, along with YOU, benefit likewise. Your main concern surely will be, how you will benefit. As soon as you become a member, you will make transactions from your home, office, by telephone or through the mail. You can conduct these transactions even while traveling. Don't believe us?
[CTRL] FW: Philanthropists, Financial Ventures, Cancer Cure Concerned
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: 114 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Philanthropists, Financial Ventures, Cancer Cure Concerned Would you be able to please pass this along since you are in the field of interest. Do You know a Special Person who could lend a hand? A Foundation for CANCER CURING IN SEARCH OF FUND ASSISTANCE Before November 1st (SHORT TERM) Perhaps you know someone who can assistanticipating major funding, but time may run out before then. Just like the lives of those with Cancer you know/have known Small lenders most welcome!!! Please pass along Opening a Cancer Wellness Center for CURING with proven record National Cancer Research Foundation (independant) Conjunctive medicine, makes conventional work more efficiently, this is not alternative medicine. Dear Friend - I am Fred Eichhorn of St. James, Long Island, New York I am opening a cancer wellness center and need to know what to tell the sellers of an estate to prevent the other prospective buyers from purchasing it and tearing down the historic mansion and preventing the success of the wellness center at that location, as it is a perfect setup. I ventured with one of the HY funding programs and am disappointed that it is not funding on time as it propised. I founded the National Cancer Research Foundation, which has been incorporated "not for profit" since March 1999. As a result of my vast success in reversing basically every type cancer, including extreme terminal stages, I have inquired to purchase an estate only because of what has been offered to me. I have spent 23 years in it's research, and reversed 150 out of 200 terminal cases in 2 years, 58 out of 63 terminal cases in past 10 months. I was told I had 8 months to live in 1976 when I had pancreatic cancer, I am longest survivor in the world according to my doctors, who are also supporting me. Track record is about 90% success rate. Cost of treatment about $200 monthly. While I spent 3 1/2 years in bed to recover from the 47 fractures sustained in the World Trade Center, I was able to go deeper and determine the final measures needed to reverse cancer,, and it works every time. I would be happy to sent you a copy of the program if you would like one. It is a 5 part e-mail. My goal is to be able to treat the cancer victims free of charge, and I want to open my own vitamin manufacturing plant to sell a specifically determined quantity (mg) per pill for treatment at a fair market cost to the consumer. Until the foundation is fully functional, I have support and help available, but immediate financial assistance until the HY produces is CRUCIALLY needed to allow me to purchase this estate. This is not "alternative medicine". It is conjunctive and makes conventional work better, eliminates nausea and throwing up associated with chemo, etc At this time, NCI ( National Cancer Institute) is discussing my theories as they find that I am answering their unsolved questions, and they feel it makes sense. The owner of the estate had it for sale 3 years, started at 5 million, came down to 4.3, then 4.1. Problem of sale is that the taxes are $52,000 annually, and no potential purchaser was interested in paying that amount in taxes. I solved that problem. A builder was offering to purchase the property for 3.0 million, as he wants to knock down the mansion (15,000 sf main house plus 7,500 sf for indoor pool house and spa area) to break up the 9+ acres to 4 homes. They were ready to commence the deal just before I inquired a month ago. The house is a perfect condition Stanford White home, built 1870, needs no work at all. Because they know me and support my efforts, as of Sept 15, I was given 1 month to come up with 1.2 million which will pay off the existing 1.2 mil mortgage. THIS HAS NOW BEEN MOVED UP ON ME UNTIL NOVEMBER FIRST. However, because the builder who offered tpo purchase the property has an wexpiration date of Nov 1, the seller will reluctantly sign the agreement with the builder if i do not show strong ability to purchase it. The owner does not need the money but wants to get rid of the mortgage. apparently, he does not care whether the house gets demolished or not. I had the property appraised, came in at 5.4 million by my own personal appraiser, I am also licensed in appraisals, RE, insur, securities, and mortgage. This estate is perfect for the function of the foundation, I need to add nothing, all is 100% perfect condition. State and village will waive entire tax in order to help me afford it. 1 Stanford White is the architect who designed and built Grand Central Station in NYC, Washington Square, and many other noted buildings. The town is upset because they cannot legally interfere to stop the demolition. 2. The property has income potential, the town would approve it and would bring me about 5 - 6,000 monthly. If my funds do not come in, i would need
[CTRL] FW: A FOLLOW UP FROM A LOVING MOTHER WHO SENT ME THE ARTICLE : Navy Man refuses anthrax vac-CM Looming
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 9:48 AM To: undisclosed recepients Subject: RE: A FOLLOW UP FROM A LOVING MOTHER WHO SENT ME THE ARTICLE I am posting this letter from a very loving Mother of a Gulf War Veteran, I would like everyone to read it and be aware of what is happening, this letter was in reference to the article : Re: Fwd: Navy man refuses anthrax--Court martial looming Thank you, XXX == Thank you for sending out that article. It need exposure among the general public. Most of them have no idea what is going on. My son is a Gulf War Veteran, 29 years old, and was medically discharged due to the Gulf War illness and is unemployable for 3 years already. And yet we are supppose to believe there is no Gulf War illness. Over 20,000 have died already since they came back from the war (and that's what the gov't admits to so it's probably double that or more). I personally know some of them and their families. They can die from the GW illness but yet the gov't denies them disability benefits. What really disturbs me is that when I tell people about this and that the soldiers are dying they say,"howcan you say such things. That can't be true. You don't hear that on Dan Rather." And these are people I know...friends even. Very true...that is the sad part. No we have never heard on Dan Rather or any other news media that a single one of the Gulf War soldiers have died since they came back from the war, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. They publically bragged about it being a 100 hour war with only 147 casuallities. Well, they don't tell us about the number of soldiers that came home to die on their own soil. And the terrible pain and suffering they are living with. And the families that are affected by it also. 68% of all the GW babies are born with birth defects, mentally retarded, arms and legs missing, hands growing from their shoulders etc. etc. etc. It is pathetic. And the soldiers are going bankrupt cuz they don't get any help with medical bills. Didn't mean to take your time...just wanted to thank you for putting out that article. I was very aware of the situation but I know a lot of people aren't. Thank you for helping spread the word. Keep up all the good work. We appreciate all you do and love to hear from you everyday. x DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass
-Caveat Lector- It looks like you're agreeing with the NWO's agenda to cancel all private property!! Aren't you a little hypocrital, to say the least, or do I misunderstand everything? Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Das GOAT Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-10-29 12:06:16 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Same for me. My parents bought our home in 1955 for $20,000. My mother still lives there (only the SECOND house she's ever lived in!). When my father died three years ago, she had the house appraised...it came in at $250,000. And that is the MEDIAN home value for that township! Sure, some of that increase is inflation, but an awful lot is real-estate speculation... Some places more than others ... My father's aunt bought a Victorian house in San Francisco's Mission district for a flat $5000 in 1953. Today it's valued at $1 million. In 1979 I rented a large one-bedroom flat for $225. By 1999 its rent rose to $2250. In 1995 my rent for an in-law (studio) apartment was $425. Today I pay $1050 for a studio apartment. That after having been evicted twice, from two different apartments, by barracuda-like real estate speculators who bought both buildings in which my wife and I were tenants and immediately evicted all residents on zero or flimsy grounds, in order to jack up the rents legally under our "rent control." (CONTESTING an eviction handled by a corporate real-estate "eviction specialist" lawyer, in an action to be heard by judges who are also slumlords, in a city where real estate speculators are lobbyists and the mayor's greatest campaign contributors, is as futile an enterprise as fighting a determined hostile takeover by a multinational -- the onslaught is as rapid, systematic, and ruthless as Dresden's bombing, and the average working-class tenant just can't afford the expensive attorneys' fees for the extremely time-consuming litigation.) On the other side of the scales, the average wage in San Francisco in 1979 was $7.50 an hour. In 1999, twenty years later, the average wage --whether you're a McDonald's clerk who doesn't speak English or a computer-literate office manager with a college degree and twenty years experience-- is $7.50 an hour ... ZERO % increase versus 1000% -- and the odds are high that your employer here is also heavily invested in real estate. "Property--" if the owner of real property doesn't personally OCCUPY it, doesn't care about the health, safety or comfort of those who DO, and only uses it as a "token" in trades no different from stock-market shares, profiting from nothing but its transfer-- "--is THEFT." Kill the lawyers, yes, but don't forget that the landlords are next in line. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
[CTRL] FW: United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government
-Caveat Lector- Subject: RE: FWD: United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government This is being forwarded to you by Larry A. Rice, known as larice on the web. Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comments: Authenticated sender is [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "The Christian Alert Network" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: The Christian Alert Network (TCAN) To: "TCAN Alert Net 7"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:38:45 + Subject: United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government Reply-to: "TCAN"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: High EXTREMELY URGENT ** EXTREMELY URGENT United Nations Poised to Impose One World Government Charter 99 - The Charter for Global Democracy In September 2000, less than a year from now, the United Nations will convene a special Millennium Assembly as a global summit on the future of the world. This event will crown a decade of preparation to launch the new millennium on a new system of global governance. The blueprint for this event was published by the UN Commission on Global Governance in 1995. Now, a Charter to achieve global governance has been developed for presentation at the Millennium Assembly in September 2000. It is called The Charter for Global Democracy and will be published publicly on UN day, Sunday, October 24th, 1999 . It has already been signed by influential leaders in 56 nations, and has the support of civil society non-government organizations around the world. In reality this document is a Charter for the abolition of individual freedom. YOUR help is desperately needed to save American sovereignty. Click here [ http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a87.htm ] to read the document (and much more) AND for instructions on how YOU can join tens of thousands of other freedom loving Americans to oppose subordinating America to the dictatorship of the United Nations. If you have email only, and do not have access to the internet, please let me know and I will be happy to send you a copy of Charter99 via email. Due to urgency of this situation TCAN respectfully request all readers to forward this message to the maximum extent possible. Rev. "Curt" Tomlin President The Christian Alert Network,Inc. POB 11746 Killeen, Tx 76547-1746 Ph: 254-628-7043 Fax: 254-628-7894 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin Sent by Larry A. Rice, in accordance with the desire of Retired Col. Tomlin my URL is http://www.christianparents.com my vision is to publish and distribute an informative newsprint teaching on the foundations of America, to help influence the elections towards godly men winning the vote. All this is shown by my web site, www.christianparents.com Larry A. Rice DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A little fun, guys!
-Caveat Lector- The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the US railroads. Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did 'they' use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts? Roman war chariots first made the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels and wagons. Since the chariots were made for, or by Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Thus, we have the answer to the original question. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So, the next time you are handed a specification and wonder which horse's rear came up with it, you may be exactly right. Because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war-horses. And now, the twist to the story... There's an interesting extension to the story about railroad gauges and horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. Thiokol makes the SRBs at their factory at Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined by the width of a Horse's ass! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals
-Caveat Lector- All this is fine and dandy butthe birth date of the Illuminati is May 1st, 1776! And I think that the Gregorian Calendar is quite anterior of that date and certainly not created by and for the Illuminatiby a looonng shot...:) Fransy -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of earthman Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals -Caveat Lector- THE ILLUMINATI RITUALS ON THE FALSE MILLENNIUM AND COMING AGE OF LIGHT by David Icke October 11, 1999 There are many things to know about the Millennium to understand what is really going on. Firstly it is only happening at this point because of the Gregorian calendar - introduced by the Illuminati via the Vatican in October, 1582. It is a ridiculous measurement of what we call "time" with it's 31 day months, 30 day months, and 28 days..29 every four years. It is like throwing all of your clothes in a wardrobe and pressing your bum against the door to bang it shut. Everything is in there, but it's a bloody mess. So it is with the Gregorian calendar. But, then, it is not there to efficiently measure "time", it was created to hit key solar cycles and astrological sequences which the Illuminati-reptilians planned to use to advance their agenda. The Millennium is a classic example of this. The Illuminati have always focused on the power of the Sun. After all the Sun is 99% of the mass of the solar system - it IS the solar system. When it changes, we change. They know the effect on human thought and emotions when, for instance, the Sun cycles reach their peak and massively powerful solar energy is projected at the Earth. At it's most powerful it has taken out computer and power systems. SO: What a coincidence that the Illuminati-created Gregorian calendar should be orchestrated to hit the peak of a massive Sun cycle PRECISELY at the point of the false millennium - January 2000. This has been done for a specific reason - more than one - and that includes the way this powerful solar energy will prime human consciousness to be more likely to react to events in the desired fashion. In January 1997 there were 19 significant emissions of energy; Sun spot activity; which affected the Earth field. This cycle has been climbing ever since and will hit it's peak at the Millennium and the immediate months afterwards with 160 solar "strikes" on the Earth. I have been talking about this for more than a year and included this information in The Biggest Secret where you will find the relevant solar chart. Only a few months ago the American Astronomical Association issued a press release at its Chicago conference warning that the world was threatened with technological disruption at the Millennium because of this cycle. Y2K is not the only source of malfunction, they said. The fantastic energy bombardment from the Sun at that time, they warned, could mislead satellites into believing they were being given instructions that were not, in fact, being given.. The whole scenario was planned centuries ago because the reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed whatever force controls them, have a very different version of "time" than we have, hence they can see and plan down the three-dimensional "time"-line in a way that those in three-dimensional form cannot. You not be surprised to learn, therefore, that an enormous network of Illuminati rituals are planned all over the world at the turn of the Millennium, especially at the Giza pyramids in Egypt where a stream of Illuminati names will attend, including George Bush. The musician, Jean-Michel Jarre, has been paid a fortune to create a musical and lights extravaganza at Giza called, wait for it; the Twelve Dreams of the Sun. Jarre told a news conference that his special effects will give the illusion that the pyramids are doors through which the Sun passes. "The Sun, symbol of Egypt and time, seemed to me to be the best analogy to celebrate the new millennium" he said. Yes, it all came from your own creative mind, Jean-Michel, me old darling, I'll believe you. The fact that the millennium is the peak of a Sun cycle; the Illuminati created this false millennium with the Gregorian calender; and they follow the Sun cycles to the finest detail, is purely coincidental. Sure it is.. The Giza ritual, which will cost some $9.5 million, will attract
[CTRL] FW: New Clinton Grab for Power
-Caveat Lector- This will NEVER happen in the US. Yeah, right Read on. In a message dated 10/14/99 12:09:33 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: John Thoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's back!! Exec. Order #13083 (rescinded due to public outcry) is here again as Order #13132. It's basically an assault on the 10th ammendment. Another blatant assault on your feeedom and an attempt to expand the power of the federal government by usurping the rights of the states. --10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Read the dirty details at http://www.americanpolicy.org/ Clinton is using a series of exec. orders to change the structure of the nations' government. As Paula Begula a Clinton aid said after signing E.O. #13083, "stroke of the pen, law of the land...kinda cool." Yeah, kinda cool and kinda frightening. This is part of his Federalism philosophy...ALL POWER TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT...and the dictator (president). The power he has amassed via E.O.'s is awesome and frightening. If y2k is only 1% as bad as the gloomers suggest, it is entirely possible that he will invoke martial law which by the way * suspends constitutional rights *. Expect Clinton to assume unilateral control of the central government. NB a new E.O. places the military under FEMA control in case of national emergency. OH! no we (white house) would never declare martial law in the US. Hey, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck This E.O demands for your immediate outcry to your congress person and governor. Congressmen Paul and Metcalf have introduced H.R. 2655, "The Separation of Powers and Restoration Act." The bill establishes the Constitutional separation between the President and Congress which dictates that Congress shall make policy and the President should enforce it. House capital switchboard 202-225-3121 Senate 202-224-3121 Make a call...take a stand for your freedom. Ask them to support H.R. 2655. John DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FYI : IRS - Enrolled Agent Letter
-Caveat Lector- TAXES - ACCOUNTING - AUDITS - ESTATE PLANNING - PAYROLL 17511 North Greenbluff Road Colbert, Washington 99005 Tel (509) 238-4697 Fax (509) 238-4697 April 16, 1997 Henry E. Newman c/o 324 Lincoln Avenue #B El Cajon, California Republic Dear Mr. Newman: At your request I have researched the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26 U.S.C.)relative to an individual income tax return. I cannot tell you not to file anincome tax return unless you have no tax liability. Each person involved, on his/her own, must make this determination. First let me tell you something about myself I am an Enrolled Agent. Enrolled Agents are defined in the IRS Regulations Circular 230 as a person who has demonstrated technical competence in interpreting and administering the Internal Revenue Code and regulations thereunder. This person has passed a strenuous test in all areas of taxation administered by the Internal Revenue Service. Enrolled Agents are licensed by the Treasury Department and must continue to show proficiency in the tax laws and regulations with documented continuing professional education hours in order to maintain their licenses. There are two important issues that you need to address. What is the subject of the tax? Where is the liability for that tax? These questions are addressed more in detail later in this research letter. Let us look at some statutes that might concern you. Lets start with the failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax, as stated in section 7203 as follows. § 7203, Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax: Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more Than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution, in the case of any person with respect to who there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In The case of a willful violation of any provision of section 60501, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting 5 years for 1 year. As you can see by the highlighted words that there are two essential elements that must be present. First, you must be required to pay a tax, or be liable for paying a tax. This means it is a crime only if you are a person required by law or regulation to pay a tax, file a return or keep such records. It is, therefore, important to determine if you are a person required to perform these functions. This will be the first subject discussed in this letter. The government has to prove these elements in order to subject you to punishment. They must first prove you had taxable income, that you are liable for a tax, and that the liability made you a required person. If any of these elements cannot be proven, you cannot be subject to punishment. Lets first see whether or not you are a person Liable. To start with, I look at the two code sections that address this issue under: Title 3, Section 552a (e) (3) [[The Privacy Act], and title 44, Section 3504 (c)(3)(C) [[The Paperwork Reduction Act]. The Privacy Act states that the Agency requesting information must: (3) inform each individual who it asks to supply information, on the form which it uses to collect the information or on a separate form that can be retained by the individual--- (A) the authority (Either granted by statute, or by executive order of the President) which authorizes the solicitation of the information and whether disclosure of such information is mandatory or voluntary; (B) the principal purpose for which the information is intended to be used; (C) the routine uses which may be made of the information, as published pursuant to paragraph (4)(D) of the subsection; and (D) the effects on him, if any, if not providing all or any part of the requested information The Paperwork Reduction Act states that the Director of the Office of Management and Budget must include with his/her information request: a statement to inform the person reviewing the request why the information is being collected, how it is to be used, and whether responses to the request are voluntary, required to obtain a benefit, or mandatory... Now, here we have two statutes directing the government to tell us whether giving
[CTRL] FW: Foreign Troops and National Guard Preparing for Y2K
-Caveat Lector- FYI- F For Immediate Release by Y2KCOMING.COM Franklin Frith 810-796-2037 Foreign Troops and National Guard Preparing for Y2K Grayling, Michigan was the location for a unique training exercise called the "Partner Challenge 1999", which took place during the weekend of June 18th and ended Tuesday, June 22. Three states and three European countries were in the middle of "peacekeeping" games as they trained at Camp Grayling (Latvia, Lithuania Estonia). "It couldnât be better," said Col. Joe McDowell of the Michigan National Guard - quoted in the Traverse City Record Eagle, June 19th. "To bring people in (from) three states and three different countries and have everything jell perfectly is just amazing." According to the Record Eagle, "Soldiers also will take in a land navigation course and will practice taking over and securing an area -- where they face dissenters and people begging for food and money." "After some training, these guys will be very good at their American tactics and they will learn a lot here," Lt. Ervins Gailas, platoon leader of Latvian National Guard said. Franklin Frith - y2kcoming.com, attended the Michigan State Police - Emergency Management Division Y2K Regional Symposium on June 23, 1999 in Grayling, Michigan. Col. Dennis Hull, Emergency Management Coordinator for the Michigan National Guard stated that the "52 armories throughout the State of Michigan have been trained to respond without higher level command." The response that Col. Hull refers to was referred to by Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre in his memo to the various military departments in February 1999. It is also referred to in the Department of Defense Directive 3025.1 - Military Support to Civil Authorities. The documents have been referred to by Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre and the Federal Emergency Management Agency for response to Y2K consequences. Col. Hull also stated that the national guard is "prepared to activate state military emergency operations center and joint military operations." We "have developed a special national guard response plan for Y2K." Conducting exercises with foreign troops to handle dissenters begging for food and money may be due to the fact that Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre stated that the armed forces and reserves would fulfill their first responsibility of meeting war-fighting abilities before providing military support to civil authorities. Col. Hull stated that the "National guard is federally funded, trained by the federal government and all of the equipment is owned by the federal government...The president can federalize the guard and use them however he wants." The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has said that the Federal Response Plan operations will be functional through the Y2K conversion period. The Department of Defense Memo dated, February 22, 1999 defines the transition period to be from September 1, 1999 - March 31, 2000. In the event of a major disaster requiring a national response on behalf of FEMA, the U.S. Army would be the executive agent. According to Col. Hull, there is a "plan with the department of Army for a Y2K event on a national level." "The Army has a plan to use the National Guard." The national guard would be federalized for the Army to use them. In response to problems in Michigan, Col. Hull stated that an "Executive order already has been typed up for the State to declare either an emergency or disaster for a fast response." Public act 390 - Michigan Emergency Management Act explains the powers of the governor and the consequences of disobeying his orders. Describing the Guardâs view of the Y2K problem, Col. Hull stated "We do not know the level of this man-made emergency." Franklin Frith has contacted various individuals with the National Guard and will provide more information in the near future. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] FW: RE: FYI - PLEASE READ 9-30-99
-Caveat Lector- FYI-Not to scare! - Forwarded Message: Subj:FYI Date: 09/29/1999 10:59:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kathleen Barton) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz Westergreen) Subject: Unconfirmed InfoFYI From: "David L. Miner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I met a man last night that used to go to my church. Brandon moved last year before I started attending. But several people, including the pastor, say that Brandon is totally honest and does not "go off half cocked." Brandon told me that his wife received a call from her cousin last week. The cousin lives in Ohio and her husband is a truck driver for Wal-Mart. It seems he was driving a load early last week and stopped at a border weigh station. The inspector wanted to know what was in the load, and the driver indicated he did not know. He merely picked up the trailer and was transporting it to another state. The inspector opened the trailer and saw hundreds of uniform boxes. He asked what was in the boxes and the driver again stated that he didn't know. So the inspector opened a box. In the box were about a hundred large (about 2'x3') plastic signs that stated: "This City Under Martial Law" in bright colors. It said something about the fed govt and had what looked like a legal reference (the driver claims to know nothing about legal issues, but he thought it was a reference to a law or an Executive Order or something). There were several hundred boxes of these signs. The driver doesn't know what Wal-Mart has to do with the signs. But he did state that Wal-Mart sometimes hires out space on their trucks if space is available. I might suggest that maybe the govt was using Wal-Mart trucks to keep a low profile. Anyway, the info came to me by way of a long route. But the sources are "innocent bystanders" with no history of right-wing reactionary politics. The driver was married to a woman who was related to Brandon's wife. He swears the info is accurate and that he spoke with the driver himself to confirm what was passed between the respective wives. The driver claims there were hundreds of boxes, each one with at least a hundred large signs declaring martial law. I thought this was worth passing along. Especially since the fed govt is telling us (Wednesday issue of USA Today and today's press releases) that we have nothing to fear. Yours in freedom, at least a little while longer, Dave Miner DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: The Problem With Banks
-Caveat Lector- The following exchange was published in the British humour magazine, Punch, on April 3, 1957. It is reprinted here: Q. What are banks for? A. To make money. Q. For the customers? A. For the banks. Q. Why doesn't bank advertising mention this? A. It would not be in good taste. But it is mentioned by implication in references to reserves of $249,000,000 or thereabouts. That is the money they have made. Q. Out of customers? A. I suppose so. Q. They always mention assets of $500,000,000 or thereabouts. Have they made that too? A. Not exactly. That is the money they use to make money. Q. I see. And (do) they keep it in a safe somewhere? A. Not at all. They lend it to (their) customers. Q. Then they haven't got it? A. No. Q. Then how is it Assets? A. They maintain it would be if they got it back. Q. But they must have some back? A. Yes, usually about $500,000,000 or thereabouts. This is called Liabilities. Q. But if they've got it how can they be liable for it? A. Because it isn't theirs. Q. Then why do they have it? A. It has been lent to them by (their) customers. Q. You mean that customers lend banks money? A. In effect. They put money into their accounts, so it is really lent to the banks. Q. And what do banks do with it? A. Lend it to other customers. Q. But you said that money lent to other people was Assets? A. Yes. Q. Then Assets and Liabilities must be the same thing? A. You can't really say that. Q. But you've just said it. If I put $100 into my account the bank is liable to have to pay it back, so its Liabilities. But they go and lend it to someone else, and he is liable to have to pay it back, so it's Assets. It's the same $100, isn't it? Q. Then it cancels out. It means, doesn't it, that banks haven't any money at all? A. Theoretically.. Q. Never mind, theoretically. And if they haven't made any money where do they get their Reserves of $249,000,000 or thereabouts? A. I told you. That is the money they have made. Q. How? A. Well, when they lend your $100 to someone they charge him interest. Q. How much? A. It depends on the Bank Rate. Say five and a half per cent. That's their profit. Q. Why isn't it my profit? Isn't it my money? A. It's the theory of banking practise that... Q. When I lend them my $100 why don't I charge them interest? A. You do. Q. You don't say. How much? A. It depends on the Bank Rate. Say half of a per cent. Q. Grasping of me, rather? A. But that's only if you're not going to draw the money out again. Q. But of course, I'm going to draw the money out again. If I hadn't wanted to draw it out again I could have buried it in the garden couldn't I? A. They wouldn't want you to draw it out again. Q. Why not? If I keep it there you say its a Liability. Wouldn't they be glad if I reduced their Liabilities by removing it? A. No. Because if you remove it they can't lend it to anyone else. Q. But if I wanted to remove it they'd have to let me? A. Certainly. Q. But suppose they've already lent it to another customer? A. Then they'd let you have someone else's money. Q. But suppose he wants his money too...and they've let me have it? A. You're being purposely obtuse. Q. I think I'm being acute. What if everyone wanted their money at once? A. It's the theory of banking practise that they never would. Q. So what banks bank on is never having to meet their commitments? A. I wouldn't say that. Q. Naturally. Well, if there's nothing else you think you can tell me...? A. Quite so. Now you can go off and open a banking account. Q. Just one last question. A. Of course. Q. Wouldn't I do a lot better to go off and open up a bank? --- ONElist Sponsor Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/zing9 "Click Here/a "He who has health has hope,and he who has hope has everything." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives
[CTRL] Response from a 58 y/o Californian FW: [FW: [CTRL] Fw: The Showdown on Hwy. 78]
our heroine would likely be stone dead or seriously wounded [at which point Ms. Enraged would have crossed the line from citizen to criminal]. Instead, the "evil" police exercised lawful restraint, regardless of firepower brought to bear on the situation. Nancy is still short of sympathy from me for merely illustrating for the millionth time why it is patently stupid to carry an UNloaded gun, ESPECIALLY in a motor vehicle. Yes, I like this one, Frans. Nancy is alive because the police DIDN'T shoot her, even the SWAT cowboys didn't shoot her. Even though she was behaving like your average stupid bank robber doing the highway chase bit. And be real. The reason water had to be brought to stranded motorists on Highway 78 was that a woman carrying a gun in her car refused to own up to the CONSEQUENCES of breaking well-known laws after providing a goodly number of police agencies ample cause to believe she was armed and POSSIBLY dangerous. She started it. She got the media out there taking a chase to a highway, now she's unhappy the "media" "analyzed" her unkindly? Because she was ordered from her car at gunpoint by the police and wouldn't get out of her car when there was only 1 or 2 cops, had to stir up this scene to protect herself? Meanwhile, endangered babes in arms, etc.? What did she expect, Frans? As I mentioned, my dad always had a loaded gun in the glove compartment. He consequently kept the registration for the vehicles he owned on the sun visor. I'll bet when she scared Ms. Enraged off, she put her toy back exactly where she would have to reveal it to show proof of registration and insurance. Certainly she didn't carry it into the burger joint, or THEY would have called 911. Or maybe she just tucked in under her seat or her shawl? Guns are NOT toys. The Nancies of this world persist in treating them like toys. They don't qualify as martyrs to any cause in my book, LEAST of all the right to bear arms in defense of life and property. People like this woman are right up there in my book with the "hunters" who need 80 rounds to kill a deer. Don't ever kid yourself they are not "dangerous." Any number of people MIGHT have suffered a lot worse than dehydration on account of this woman's stupidity and failure to own up to her RESPONSIBILITY for at least 2 laws the same day. What did she EXPECT? She expected to be shot and killed by the police, that is what she expected. There is no way she could possibly believe that she would not be PURSUED! when she fled arrest. Now she's disappointed that something else happened! She expected to be shot and killed by the police, and go down as a victim because even though she had a gun, it wasn't loaded. It didn't go down that way. What a letdown that must be. "Fransy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like this one!! Do you?...:) F -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of day Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fw: The Showdown on Hwy. 78 -Caveat Lector- The Showdown on Hwy. 78 (OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE) July 1, 1999 was a typical day for most Southern Californians. In San Diegos North county, 58 year-old Janet Lucero was on the road like thousands of others. She never had a thought how she could affect the lives of thousands in just one day. Road rage is a typical phenomenon especially on the Golden States crowded thoroughfares. Highway 78 (a major connector freeway between Interstates 5 and 15) was no exception. Janet was in route to a fair when another woman wanted to go elsewhere. Two drivers wanting to be in the same spot at the same time. No collision, just frayed nerves. But this would be different. Whoever Janet Lucero angered decided to follow her into the parking lot of a Burger King restaurant. This is where the chaos began. According to both parties, the woman approached Janets light blue Honda Civic once it was parked. Apparently, she had a few harsh words for Janet. A possible threat? Could she be hostile? Who knows? But in what is known as the land of fruits and nuts, Janet suspected by the womans attitude that this may have been the latter. Words were exchanged. Then, the woman opened Janets door and saw something on Janets lap and then abruptly closed the door in fear the same fear most criminals have when they notice their potential victim is armed. In most states, that would have been the end of the story. Janet Lucero thought so. But while she went on to order a burger at the restaurant, she forgot she was in California. The woman who approached her car didnt. She decided to do her civic duty and make a call the three digit kind. Shortly after leaving the restaurant, Janet found flashing lights in her rear view mirror.
[CTRL] FW: [theseries] RON PAUL[BEFORE YOU SAY BOLOGNA]
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 4:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [theseries] RON PAUL[BEFORE YOU SAY BOLOGNA] Before we say we can't do anything read this letter, and then email the man, talk with him, Educate him further, we are running out of time "WE" CAN DO something "NOW". But saying that what is, is and can't be changed is WRONG. "WE" ARE THE "SPIRIT", THE WAY, THE MIGHT SIGHTINGS -- -- Letter From Congressman Ron Paul - Important Congressman Ron Paul 837 W. Plantation Clute, TX 77531 1 800 RON PAUL Originally written September 17, 1997 9-17-99 We spoke with Michael Sullivan, Congressman Paul's Press Secretary, on 9-17-99. He asked us to correct the letterhead address and the original date of the letter, and explained that it is a two year old campaign letter that someone has transcribed and circulated on the net. We have made and noted those changes per his request. Dear Friend: The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew. I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a VERY limited role for Washington, D.C. If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no NAFTA, GATT, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited. That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill -- working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives. Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There are not supposed to be ANY federal police, according to the Constitution. Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre.Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children, burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put the few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years. We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms -- talk about an unconstitutional agency -- rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for a big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents. The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians. After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame, and all 81 people -- men, women, children, and babies--were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay
Re: [CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99
-Caveat Lector- Well, I suppose I am 'red(butt)faced' :o) A joke is a joke, is a sorry folks!! I just ain't got the time to check (so better safe than sorry I guess) Thanks for the truth Robert, Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tatman, Robert Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99 -Caveat Lector- From: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blspider.htm?pid=2733cob=home snip Guide's note: Don't panic. This is just a joke. It gives itself away in the first sentence: "According to an article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the Journal of the United Medical Association (JUMA)..." There is no such journal. There is no "United Medical Association," period. There have been no news reports of spider-caused deaths among air travelers in Chicago. There is no "Blare Airport" in Chicago (try O'Hare International Airport). There's no restaurant called "Big Chappies." There is no known species called arachnius gluteus (apparently intended to be translated as "butt spider"). There is such a thing as a blush spider, but guess what - it's a cosmetological term referring to patches of tiny varicose veins on the surface of the skin. If you're attacked by one of these, I'd recommend calling a plastic surgeon rather than the exterminator... unless, of course, you want to be the "butt" of this Internet joke. -Original Message- From: Fransy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99 -Caveat Lector- Officer Sylvia Steele Texas AM International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, Tx 78041-1999 956-326-2100 Fax:956-326-2099 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Spider Warnings NOT A JOKE nonsense snipped DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99
-Caveat Lector- Officer Sylvia Steele Texas AM International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, Tx 78041-1999 956-326-2100 Fax:956-326-2099 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Spider Warnings NOT A JOKE An article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the Journal of the United Medical Association (JUMA), the mystery behind a recent spate of deaths has been solved.If you haven't already heard about it in the news, here is what happened. Three women in Chicago, turned up at hospitals over a 5-day period, all with the same symptoms. Fever, chills, and vomiting, followed by muscular collapse, paralysis, and finally, death. There were no outward signs of trauma. Autopsy results showed toxicity in the blood. These women did not know each other, and seemed to have nothing in common. It was discovered, however, that they had all visited the same restaurant (Big Chappies, at Blare Airport), within days of their deaths. The health department descended on the restaurant, shutting it down. The food, water, and air conditioning were all inspected and tested, to no avail. The big break came when a waitress at the restaurant was rushed to the hospital with similar symptoms. She told doctors that she had been on vacation, and had only went to the restaurant to pick up her check. She did not eat or drink while she was there, but had used the restroom. That is when one toxicologist, remembering an article he had read, drove out to the restaurant, went into the restroom, and lifted the toilet seat. Under the seat, out of normal view, was a small spider. The spider was captured and brought back to the lab, where it was determined to be the South American Blush Spider (arachnius gluteus), so named because of its reddened flesh color. This spider's venom is extremely toxic, but can take several days to take effect. They live in cold, dark, damp, climates, and toilet rims provide just the right atmosphere. Several days later a lawyer from Los Angeles showed up at a hospital emergency room. Before his death, he told the doctor, that he had been away on business, had taken a flight from New York, changing planes in Chicago, before returning home. He did not visit Big Chappies while there. He did, as did all of the other victims, have what was determined to be a puncture wound, on his right buttock. Investigators discovered that the flight he was on had originated in South America. The Civilian Aeronautics Board (CAB) ordered an immediate inspection of the toilets of all flights from South America, and discovered the Blush spider's nests on 4 different planes! It is now believed that these spiders can be anywhere in the country. So please, before you use a public toilet, lift the seat to check for spiders. It can save your life! And please pass this on to everyone you care about -- Officer Sylvia Steele Texas AM International University 5201 University Blvd. Laredo, Tx 78041-1999 956-326-2100 Fax:956-326-2099 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Reality Check
-Caveat Lector- FYI, F --- Gary North's REALITY CHECK Issue 42 September 13, 1999 KEEPING GOOD BANK RECORDS WON'T HELP YOU IN A Y2K CRISIS I have already explained this to REMNANT REVIEW subscribers in the July 2 issue. Here, I want to follow up on some of the implications. The U.S. government from the beginning has dismissed Y2K as a minor problem with mild consequences: the 72-hour hurricane. Mild consequences call forth inexpensive answers. Problems that produce mild consequences are ignored by most people. What are the likely consequences of Y2K for banks? According to the government, hardly any. But, just in case, we are told to keep good records. This means we should keep our bank receipts. That's all? Yes. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation is a government agency, or at least a quasi-government agency. It has a Web site with .gov ending its address. On the FDIC site, the Y2K-concerned reader is told this: "As always, keep good records of your financial transactions, especially for the last few months of 1999 and until you get several statements in 2000." http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/press/1999/checklist.pdf Why should we keep good records? We are not told. It is implied by the FDIC that these records will get you your money on any account up to $100,000. Well, they won't -- not according to the FDIC's own rules. Read Section 330.1 from the pertinent FDIC Web page. Pay close attention to the words, "books and records of the insured institution." They are not your books and records. Here is what you possess: "account statements, deposit slips, items deposited or cancelled checks." These are specifically exempted as evidence. Here is the text: 330.1 Definitions. For the purposes of this part: (e) Deposit account records means account ledgers, signature cards, certificates of deposit, passbooks, corporate resolutions authorizing accounts in the possession of the insured depository institution and other books and records of the insured depository institution, including records maintained by computer, which relate to the insured depository institution's deposit taking function, but does not mean account statements, deposit slips, items deposited or cancelled checks. [Codified to 12 C.F.R., 330.1] [Section 330.1 amended at 58 Fed. Reg. 29963, May 25, 1993, effective December 19, 1993; 63 Fed. Reg. 25756, May 11, 1998, effective July 1, 1998] You can verify this by clicking through: http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/2000-15.html This is also spelled out in detail in the FDIC booklet for banks, "Financial Institution Employees' Guide to Deposit Insurance" (Fall 1996): For the purpose of determining legal ownership of accounts, deposit account records do not include: Account statements, Deposit slips, Items deposited and cancelled checks. Are you getting the picture? The FDIC has soothed the fearful hearts of Y2K-aware depositors by telling them that all they need to do is keep good records. But these records have no legal status. What has legal status are the records of the banks. Problem: the computers are non-compliant. If your bank's computer will not give access to your accounts' records, you are left without recourse. Your account is closed. You cannot get your money. The FDIC owes you nothing. It only owes the bank that paid its FDIC insurance premiums. What we have here is deliberate deception. The FDIC knows exactly what it's doing. It is calming the public by means of a false hope. It is trying to head off a bank run that will bankrupt the FDIC. It is a self-interested party that is misinforming the depositors. The depositors know nothing about all this. This information is buried in the FDIC's regulations. The press has not picked up the story, even though I published it, with the full documentation, on July 2. I have not received any inquiry from the press on this matter. The press is not going to break ranks with the banks. The government's greatest Y2K fear today is that there will be a run on the banks. The press will not risk creating a bank run by exposing this chicanery. All digital money is at risk. The risk is so great that the FDIC is playing games with the public. This means that all forms of capital that derive their present value from markets based on digital money are also at risk. WORTHLESS RECEIPTS You have a bank receipt. Goodie for you. Try to spend it. The receipt is at least a month old. It's probably six weeks old. Does it prove what is in your bank account today? Obviously not. You probably wrote checks on the account since then. Your bank records are ancient history. Yet the obviousness of this fact is not obvious to tens of millions of depositors who take seriously the warning,
[CTRL] FW: Conspiracy Theory
-Caveat Lector- Conspiracy Theory Here's a little part of US history which makes you sit up and go h-m-m-m-m-m-m-m Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. Both wives lost children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both Presidents were shot in the head. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters. Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Kennedy". Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln". Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. And here's the kicker A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland. A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn Monroe. ;o)~ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Federal corn!
-Caveat Lector- Dear Bonnie, I do understand your situation. The federal corn post was not intended for people genuinely needing assistance, whether temporarily or more permanently. But for those who are parasites to any socialy oriented system. And the fact of the matter is they are for more of those than any system can bear. Reason that many if not all of them are near bankruptcy. Generally people who do not like these type of socialistic systems are NOT anti-social nor do they dismiss automatically and entirely the need to help their fellow man. But, like myself, they do acknowledge and know they are other ways to effect such help more efficiently and also with much more respect for the beneficiary's human dignity. It did happened to me indeed personally and that is why I have indulged into posting this. The finality was that I have more suffered from the 'state's help' than from the situation that drove me into it! The simple facts are that in the process my human dignity was crushed, without even talking about the society's label on my back. Every single attempt to get out of it was "legally" shattered and pulled me back into dependence. This alone kills your self esteem as being worthless and unable to live a life of your own. The conclusion is that in the name of 'help' you are totally controlled by the system in every details of your life. In the name of "help" you are surrending personal freedom and sovereignty. One can bear this temporarily, as it should with real help, but if "the system" doesn't provide for getting out of it, in the long run you're dying inside, accepting to be enslaved. That is what socialism does to you. I thank God every minute to have been able to get out of it. Let's not forget that "socialism" is "soft" communism as "communism" is "hard" socialism. So in fact they are one and the same, only the manner how it is imposed on you is different. Bonnie, you are NOT one of the pigs. NEVER. Any and all lives are the most precious gifts there are. Human life is a divine sovereign gift that no one is allow to "control" neither individually nor collectively. This is what this fight is all about. Yes, there are thousands of persons, including me, that will genuinely help you. But I will never dare to "take care of you". Thank you for your courage to reply in all honesty. Hope is in everyone of us, let us spread it far and wide. Warm Regards, Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [theseries] Re: [bigchat] Federal corn! Well, I have to live on Federal food stamps. I am seriously injured and disabled, cannot work, and need to survive. And BIG, the one thing that I had going to help me help myself in the future, does not, after 15 months, even have my account right, with only one lonely PR. I have nothing in my account. So, I guess that makes me one of the pigs. So be it. But please, before you condemn me and others who sometimes need a leg up, think about it. There are many of us out here who are decent people who have always worked for our living, raised our families, and suddenly life turns around on them, and is out of their control. Remember, it could happen to you. If the Government doesn't take care of us, will you? Regards, Bonnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here for 4 FREE TRIAL ISSUES of Sports Illustrated! If you're satisfied, your subscription will continue at the guaranteed lowest rate of $.75 an issue for 52 issues! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/678 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/theseries http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Federal corn!
-Caveat Lector- If you use federal handouts in place of corn and people in place of the pigs - how close are we to having the final rail put in place? The Wild and Free Pigs of the Okefenokee Swamp based on a telling by George Gordon Some years ago, about 1900, an old trapper from North Dakota hitched up some horses to his Studebaker wagon, packed a few possessions -- especially his traps -- and drove south. Several weeks later he stopped in a small town just north of the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia. It was a Saturday morning -- a lazy day -- when he walked into the general store. Sitting around the pot-bellied stove were seven or eight of the town's local citizens. The traveler spoke. "Gentlemen, could you direct me to the Okefenokee Swamp?" Some of the oldtimers looked at him like he was crazy. "You must be a stranger in these parts," they said. "I am. I'm from North Dakota," said the stranger. "In the Okefenokee Swamp are thousands of wild hogs." one old man explained. "A man who goes into the swamp by himself asks to die!" He lifted up his leg. "I lost half my leg here, to the pigs of the swamp." Another old fellow said, "Look at the cuts on me; look at my arm bit off!" "Those pigs have been free since the Revolution, eating snakes and rooting out roots and fending for themselves for over a hundred years. They're wild and they're dangerous. You can't trap them. No man dare go into the swamp by himself." Every man nodded his head in agreement. The old trapper said, "Thank you so much for the warning. Now could you direct me to the swamp?" They said, "Well, yeah, it's due south -- straight down the road." But they begged the stranger not to go, because they knew he'd meet a terrible fate. He said, "Sell me ten sacks of corn, and help me load it in the wagon." And they did. Then the old trapper bid them farewell and drove on down the road. The townsfolk thought they'd never see him again. Two weeks later the man came back. He pulled up to the general store, got down off the wagon, walked in and bought ten more sacks of corn. After loading it up he went back down the road toward the swamp. Two weeks later he returned and again bought ten sacks of corn. This went on for a month. And then two months, and three. Every week or two the old trapper would come into town on a Saturday morning, load up ten sacks of corn, and drive off south into the swamp. The stranger soon became a legend in the little village and the subject of much speculation. People wondered what kind of devil had possessed this man, that he could go into the Okefenokee by himself and not be consumed by the wild and free hogs. One morning the man came into town as usual. Everyone thought he wanted more corn. He got off the wagon and went into the store where the usual group of men were gathered around the stove. He took off his gloves. "Gentlemen," he said, "I need to hire about ten or fifteen wagons. I need twenty or thirty men." "I have six thousand hogs out in the swamp, penned up, and they're all hungry. I've got to get them to market right away." "You've WHAT in the swamp?" asked the storekeeper, incredulously. "I have six thousand hogs penned up. They haven't eaten for two or three days, and they'll starve if I don't get back there to feed and take care of them." One of the oldtimers said, "You mean you've captured the wild hogs of the Okefenokee?" "That's right." "How did you do that? What did you do?" the men urged, breathlessly. One of them exclaimed, "But I lost my arm!" "I lost my brother!" cried another. "I lost my leg to those wild boars!" chimed a third. The trapper said, "Well, the first week I went in there they were wild all right." "They hid in the undergrowth and wouldn't come out. I dared not get off the wagon." "So I spread corn along behind the wagon. Every day I'd spread a sack of corn." "The old pigs would have nothing to do with it." "But the younger pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn than it was to root out roots and catch snakes. So the very young began toeat the corn first." "I did this every day. Pretty soon, even the old pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn." "After all, they were all free; they were not penned up. They could run off in any direction they wanted at any time." "The next thing was to get them used to eating in the same place all the time. So I selected a clearing, and I started putting the corn in the clearing." "At first they wouldn't come to the clearing. It was too far. It was too open. It was a nuisance to them." "But the very young decided that it was easier to take the corn in the clearing than it was to root out roots and catch their own snakes. And not long thereafter, the older pigs also decided that it was easier to come to the clearing every day." "And so the pigs learned to come to the clearing every day to get
[CTRL] THE Illuminati
http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm ILLUMINATI NEWS This website has been visited several times by US Government, US Military, British Government, Russian Federation, Australian Government, Chinese Government, New York Times, Planet Internet EU Parliament, BASF(former IG Farben), Sun Newspaper and the World Bank This site is under surveillance! [I am not joking] Note: This site is non-religious and non-political. This web-master only wants to expose the truth as he has concluded it. Both politics and religions are run by the same forces who want us all to become their slaves in a One World State, in a New World Order of tyranny and oppression. What's wrong with this world? Why all those civil wars, why all this chaos and disaster? Why can't people just live together in peace? When conflicts arise, why is it so hard for the United Nations and other parties to stop the killing despite peace negotiators and ambassadors? Is it that man is basically violent? Is it just human behavior? When we look around, it might seem so, but it's just an illusion. It's all planned from a very high level - above governments and out of sight from ordinary people. All this chaos, genocide, ethnic cleansing and disaster has a genuine purpose. It's very carefully planned by a few invisible men high up in the society, high above any power structure that the citizens know of. It's a planned take-over for to create a One World Government with those people on top, making the rest of us into their slaves in a super socialist state ...! Does it sound incredible and unbelievable? If you haven't been briefed on the situation earlier, I can truly understand that you might think so. But I recommend you to continue the reading of this web site, and I'm sure you will change your mind and on a gradient you will get the picture and find yourself being suddenly very aware of what is happening in the world and why. Your questions will most likely be answered. Take one or a few pages at the time, because it's much to read, but it's vital for anybody's survival to be aware of what I'm now going to tell you. And if you're not familiar with the subject, I strongly advice you to start with the link called An over-all Briefing. An over-all Briefing Targets of the Illuminati Hierarchy of the Illuminati Skull Bones Bill Clinton - Master of War More on Bill Clinton Bill Clinton's crimes
[CTRL] We are only the messengers: Remarkable Times
-Caveat Lector- And where will You be on the morning of the 11th ??? This message has great significance to us all. It explains the shifts we have all anticipated for so long, and the manifestations globally we are witness to, day to day. Good reading. The Lunar and Solar Eclipses - What is Happening? Right now, something truly profound in the evolution of our reality is finally coming to a head. This period contains the moment we have all been waiting for - or at least, the new beginning which leads to it. It is the reason that the world around us has felt pregnant with something entirely new, and why we humans have, over recent months, often felt so frustrated with waiting. The up-coming eclipses are at the centre of what is happening. The purpose of this note is to give you some guidelines which may assist in how to maximise the opportunity. It is possible to see this time either very positively, or very negatively, yet the reality will be different for each of us. There is no doubt that radical change is likely - when I asked for a dream to give me greater clarity, I was shown the following scenario. I was helpingt facilitate a spiritually based workshop - while we were all enjoying our work, a flash flood swept everything in the street outside away, cars, belongings, the lot. An interesting image for a time of change! The point is that those who were doing the spiritual work were all perfectly safe, but in the mundane realm there was huge chaotic change. The continually escalating energies of higher consciousness which have been flooding into the planet and our individual consciousness for several years, have now gone exponential. These energies also open up access to the knowledge that will drive the creation of the 'new paradigm'. As little as one year ago, the energies of the new paradigm were at only 10% compared with 90% for the old. Now, a few weeks before the 11the August solar eclipse it stands at 49% new to 51% old. When I ask will the two will come into balance, the date I am given is that of the solar eclipse as the moment when the new energies come into the ascendancy for the first time. The eclipse, and the astrological 'grand cross that accompanies it, are a significant focal point. However, the main features of the Grand Cross, which are being modified daily by the movement of the planets, are already in place, and will be for many weeks. Thus, some commentators focus on days other than the eclipse as having major significance. Although there may be a central event, the whole is a powerful process, over some weeks, and setting of many other change processes. The cutting off of the energy of the sun, in a process that will last just over three hours and pass over a great deal of territory, has a radical potential for change. First, all the programming that generates the fear that has existed for millennia, and, as a primary tool of the old paradigm, have held humanity captive, are held within various layers of the earth's energy grids and structures. As the sun is blocked from the earth, these fears - already loosened by the escalation of higher consciousness energies of recent years - will now become detached, and can, if we do not reinforce them, actually dissipate away to nothing. Secondly, these fears can be replaced by our positive intentions, if we choose to make those explicit during the time of the solar eclipse. It will be highly important, then, to visualise the most positive reality possible, during this time, and hold your vision steadfast and unwavering. Most of us are aware that we create our own realities in some way. However, this task has usually been greatly complicated by many old, inappropriate energies that cause interference to our intentions. Now, as the energies from the sun become disconnected during the eclipse, aspects of that which interferes will be temporarily absent - for a time the board will be wiped clean. The work that you do during this time is therefore vitally important, since it sets the scene for what happens next. The fact is, if we are willing to move forwards with an act of conscious evolution, we have all the cosmic help we could want at this time. But it is important to recognise that we are the ones with the expertise in being human. We need to envisage the new reality, in order to provide a basis by which it can manifest. Nobody else is going to do this part for you! You, along with many other aware individuals, are now the architects of what happens next! So, take this time as one where it is important to focus, in joy, on co-creating what you want. Spend the time of the eclipse in quiet meditation. If you can, do this work with like-minded others, for together you will greatly leverage your creative power. Devise and make your decrees as to what you intend for the future, have fun using your utmost creative ability, no holds barred, to change the game we have all been playing to one that is wholly positive, and based in
[CTRL] FW: [bigchat] Proud to be an American ?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 3:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bigchat] Proud to be an American ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Tim, I hope a large number of people on the forum took the trouble to read your most informative document.It is particularly useful to us in the U.K. be cause we are usually one step behind the U.S.and as a consequence could become forearmed,having been forewarned by courageous people such as yourself. Usually an optimist I'm afraid I am a little fearful with reference to the impact your statements may have here in the U.K. Freedoms are being eroded here all the time,unobserved by the majority,who blindly move on in the most appalling of attitudes -one of total apathy ! Before too long we will all be in the same boat,dictated to by an outspoken minority, who attain their power by the attitude mentioned.You must feel the absolute helplessness of the situation,I know I do,and there was an illustration just today of what is facing us. A small businessman and local Community Leader was held by the police for over 6 hours because he held his daughters wrists in an attempt to stop her from joining a party (so called) as he believed he was protecting her from drug abuse.She complained to the police and he was taken into custody -his crime, protecting his own daughter by restraint represented assault.She is 15 and can command this kind of power over her own father.Only when she asked the police to drop charges was he released.Do gooders, social services etc, just love interfering in other peoples lives,the more respectable they are the better they like it ! This country is going down the same route as yours at an escalating rate,might even overtake you unless someone of prominence stands up and cries STOP ! Remember the show "Stop the World I want to get off", sounded like a crazy title when it came out - it's becoming more relevent by the day. Best of luck to you Tim you deserve a huge pat on the back,much appreciated ! Regards Alf.Powell --- ONElist Sponsor ONElist now has T-SHIRTS! For details and to order, go to: http://www.onelist.com/store/tshirts.html BIG International, the world's fastest growing humanitarian organisation. http://www.biglotto.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Proud to be an American ?
-Caveat Lector- Proud to be an American ? I used to be proud that I lived in the world's first constitutional republic, Now I am told it is a "democracy", the final step before a dictatorship. I used to be proud that this nation was an example of right for all to follow, Now I am ashamed to call myself an American because of our decline into wrong. I used to be proud that we had a free nation of law, under GOD, Now we are a nation of "public policy", under bankruptcy to international bankers. I used to be proud that I was born free and lived in Michigan state, a geographical area, Now I am told it is a corporate "State of Michigan", and I am subject to its statutes, codes and laws. I used to be proud that the citizenry knew their rights and where they came from, Now most believe that they only have privileges granted them by the all powerful corporate state. I used to be proud when I knew juries and grand juries stood against bad laws and judges, Now they are nothing more than a prosecutorial tool of the prosecutors and judges. I used to be proud of the education standards of our schools and university's, Now there are courses taught like 28 ways to shake hands and advanced basket weaving. I used to be proud of my honorable military service in time of war, Now I know the people were, and are, constantly lied to about the causes and prisoners of that war. I used to be proud when I saw a person in most any uniform on our streets, Now I fear for my safety because that person does not have me or my nation's security as his goal. I used to be proud when I saw the "United States" (No yellow fringe) flag flying in our state, Now I see it as the symbol of a fearsome, manipulated, foreign corporation that is anti-American people. I used to be proud to assert my right to vote for the statesman of choice, Now it matters not for whom or even if I vote, as politicians, mostly lawyers, are bought and paid for. I used to be proud of the people at my local media for reporting truth, justice and all the news, Now it is controlled by the "editor" who censures it so that people cannot make fully informed decisions. I used to be proud when I paid my fair share in taxes to support my government, Now I am aware none of that money goes to support our government. I used to be proud that one qualification to become a police officer was local residency, Now the applicant must be a "citizen or resident of the United States", which is a foreign corporation. I used to be proud that I had the freedom to travel without fear most anywhere in this nation, Now I worry when I see a policeman, lest I be caught breaking some edict of government and be jailed. I used to be proud that all our government guarded my privacy as one of its main jobs, Now its main job is nothing less than the invasion and abolition of the privacy of all of the citizenry. I used to be proud that I maintained my home and land well, Now I dare not improve it because I may not be able to afford the tax increase. I used to be proud to enter most any neighborhood in this nation to visit friends or family, Now I fear doing so lest it be a "known" drug or crime area and my car be confiscated. I used to be proud that I had been called to serve for jury duty, Now I avoid the courts as just another "business for profit" in the law enforcement industry. I used to be proud that my neighbor's were watchful of my lands and property, Now I fear they could be the cause of its forfeiture for some victimless, mala prohibita crime. I used to be proud that I had a right to responsibly own, possess and use "arms", Now those actions are being used to label me as "anti-government", or "militia", "terrorist", or worse. I used to be proud to stand up and be counted as a loud voice on numerous issues, Now I hesitate to do so, should I, or my family, become targets of ignorant vindictiveness. I used to be proud that I could read, study, and live, my religion's teachings, Now if I do so, I am falsely branded as "white supremacist", "anti-Semitic", "radical", "racist", or worse. I used to be proud that I did not need government identification for all personal interactions, Now I fear that a national identification document for all transactions is law in the land. I used to be proud that I could say or write most anything, with responsibility, Now if I speak or write freely, expressing unpopular views, I am called a "paper terrorist" or worse. I used to be proud that I could teach my children my religion's moral views and ways, Now, if I do so, I may be charged with the crime of teaching religion without training and a license. I used to be proud that my children were properly punished when they did wrong, Now I fear to do so because I might be charged with "child abuse". I used to be proud to let my children learn by doing things for themselves, Now if I do so I may be charged with "child neglect". I used to be proud that my spouse and I had a marriage license, believing it was required, Now
Re: [CTRL] Le Metropole - The Cyberspace Cafe for Investors and Intellectuals
-Caveat Lector- Bill, 'Le Café du Métropole' was and still is a place of fine food and beverages where great business, political, scientific and economic (macro- et al) minds and deals were/are poised to meet and wheel in the heart of Brussels, Place de Brouckère. It is the well known 'café-restaurant' of the 'Hôtel Métropole' one of the oldest and greatest hotel in Brussels since the end of the 19th century. Kings, Princes and Ambassadors from the world were guests there. And 'le Concièrge du Métropole' was reknown everywhere in Europe! He knew every guest's little 'fantasy'. It is known that France offered the Statue of Liberty to America, but it is much less known that the model for that statue (thus the original) was a small (about a yard high) statue on top of the frontpiece (facade opening) of the Hôtel Métropole in Brussels. As now Brussels has been declared the "Capitale de l'Europe" 'Le Café du Métropole' is even more international in nature. It is thus a very fine name for your Cyberspace Cafe :) Best Regards, Frans Uytterhoeven International Hospitality Management and Offshore Consultant. ULB, Brussels and Seminars in Hotel Management in Cornell and Lansing U. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Le Metropole - The Cyberspace Cafe for Investors and Intellectuals -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/ A HREF="http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/"Le Metropole Cafe/A - Le Metropole The Cyberspace Cafe for Investors and Intellectuals Welcome to Le Metropole. It is a venue where investors and intellectuals from all over the world can meet to discuss the vibrant economic and financial issues of the day. Our theme is the French cafes of the early to mid 20th century, Le Moulin Rouge ( Pigalle ), Les Deux Magots ( St. Germain ), Le Flore ( St. Germain ), La Coupole ( Montparnasse ) and Brasserie Lipp ( St. Germain ). Paris was a place where artists, intellectual figures, public personalities, etc., all met to engage, share, and learn. Times have changed but the human craving for knowledge and association with the most fascinating minds and creators out there has not. The internet has made it possible for us to present economic and financial commentary via " The Minds of Le Metropole", an economic dream team, and for you to be able to interact with others about this commentary. Our team of authoritative experts will focus on: U. S. Financial Markets , World Financial Markets, Asia, Gold ( commodities ) and International Events that affect these markets. The Minds of Le Metropole The roster of the economic dream team thus far are: From the National School of Statistics and Economic Studies in Paris, the Institut D'Etude Politiques, and the Masters Program in Pure Mathematics at the University of Paris, Eric Barande. Eric is well known in Europe as an independent strategist on economics and financial markets. Out of Manila and the San Francisco Art Institute, Greg Pickup. Greg, our market technician and author has been at the Chicago Board of Trade since 1979. He advises commercial grain and oilseed companies worldwide. John BrimelowFrom the University of London and the Business School at Stanford, John Brimelow. John is a notable, institutional stock broker with a vast information network and possesses a keen sense of the market significance of world events. From Lake Forest College in Illinois, Charles Peabody. Charles has been a bank analyst since 1981 and is a former II rated analyst in both money center and regional banks. As an independent in New York, he provides analysis unencumbered by bureaucracies and corporate pressures. Out of the undergraduate and graduate schools at Texas Christian University, David W. Tice. David, both a C.F.A. and C.P.A., manages the Prudent Bear mutual fund. His Dallas-based research firm advises more than 150 institutional investors. Out of Christchurch, New Zealand and the London School of Economics, Neville Bennett. Neville, a PhD., teaches " Japan and the World Economy " at the Canterbury Graduate School and writes a column for the prestigious National Business Review. In the Cafe you will find tables named after some of the well known celebrants of the by-gone Paris days. Here, food for thought will be served via posting forums in which you can present your own opinions and learn from others about the subjects of most interest to you. Le Metropole is a Cafe privé in the sense that membership is $149 per year (when fully opened) or $14 per month. So that you may learn if our Cafe is for you, we would like to extend to you a "two week free membership". Please note: Like a real Cafe, this is a soft opening. We are working out the kinks before we determine our final macro squad and open the entire Cafe with "Grande Premiere Mondiale". Therefore, our pre opening membership price is
Re: [CTRL] THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN LITTLETON
-Caveat Lector- I think it is time to link the incredible obvious we discover now to the incredible to obvious that is shown here! It is rather long but so intersesting that it requires deep analysis to get to the links. But I read your in depth litterature and messages and am confident you'll get the job done in depth. http://www.wingmakers.com/index2.html Thanks for yopur insight, A friend from Belgium, Frans -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 5:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN LITTLETON -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/new.txt A HREF="http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/new.txt"http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/qui nn /new.txt /A - THE COLUMBINE MASSACRE CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP IN LITTLETON ©1999 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk, Inc. All Rights Reserved QUINN on Sightings http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/quinn/end0603.ram (track to midpoint on Real Audio console) NATO AT COLUMBINE! In what this reporter feels is some of the most bizarre, disturbing, inexplicable and chilling news yet about the Columbine High School shooting incident is news that a large NATO truck--possible more than one--and obviously at least some NATO troops, were reportedly present at Columbine High School within MINUTES AFTER THE SHOOTING BROKE OUT! I ws notified by email by a TV viewer who DISTINCTLY recalls seeing the NATO vehicle while watching local TV station Fox-WFLD in Chicago shortly after the massacre began. The local station was picking up a live feed from a CNN chopper in the air above Columbine High School. We have spoken with a station representative of WFLD and can at least verify that indeed they WERE broadcasting the feed as stated. WFLD however apparently has no video record of their own as they were rebroadcasting CNN's (live) video. This information is EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, powerful evidence of what an utter lie the entire American populace is living under regarding the true, fundamental status of our nation, who's actually running it, and it's very socio/political foundations. This is literally DEVASTATING news for any of us who still believe we live in some sort of "free," sovereign democratic republic. It has long been postulated, with some very good evidence to back it up, that the Denver area is one of the primary command, control and support hangouts for the NEW WORLD ORDER crew. Reams of evidence far to extensive to go over here give substantial weight to such statements. This is what was reported regarding what our contact saw while watching the Columbine tragedy unfold on TV. ..."I saw a NATO bomb squad from a live helicopter shot on TV,: ...it made me wonder what they were doing there, who were the good guys and who were the bad? OK, this is what I saw on FOX WFLD Chicago. They had a live feed coming from CNN and early on in the transmission they had a aerial view from a helicopter, at about 12:30 CST. In the parking lot right outside of the school there was what what looked like a blue moving van and in front of the truck there was a four foot blue curved shield (looking like a half of a barrel) with the letters of NATO clearly marked on this armor. Well the camera did a close up but after only a couple of seconds that feed was cut. I am POSITIVE about what I saw on FOX WFLD Chicago within the first hour of coverage." ANYONE who recalls seeing this while watching the CNN live camera feed from a chopper PLEASE contact NewsHawk at once! NewsHawk has also since received further verification and corroboration that NATO military personnel were present at Columbine from people who saw such personnel with NATO body shields on CNN almost IMMEDIATELY after the massacre began--meaning they may well have been there ALREADY!! The following supportive testimony from ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is indicative of what we've received. "To MY AMAZEMENT I saw a dark colored outfitted person with a personal protection shield walking around and on the top of this shield it said = N A T O in white!! I said what in the hell are they doing there, 15 minutes probably into the scene?? !!! I'm guessing about the time John because this was MINUTES INTO WHEN THEY STARTED TO COVER IT LIVE (CNN or FOX)." (This correlates time-wise with information revealed by my contact in Chicago watching live CNN footage a NATO vehicle at Columbine.-JQ) "I was going for NBC and flipped down both CNN and FOX: they're two channels apart so hard telling." John Whitney The presence of NATO personnel and equipment operating ANYWHERE on American soil is utterly and extraordinarily outrageous; and a complete, total violation in every possible way of what WE BELIEVE TO BE our national sovereignty. Furthermore, aside from these terribly serious implications just noted, the presence of NATO personnel and equipment at Columbine High so soon after the shooting
