Re: [Debconf-team] Content team: Our current status, next steps
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 07:48:44AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 01:03:15PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > As most of you are aware by now - We finally have a (preliminary) > > schedule! \o/ > > yay! thanks to everyone involved…! +1 > > First, as I expected, several people have contacted me privately > > complaining on why the schedule starts at 9AM. I agree, and you will > > remember I have argued for it to start at 10AM. Please, before > > publishing the schedule, consider _shifting_ everything by 1hr > > yes! -1 No. From my point of view 9:00 is fine. :-P > > Also, several people whose talks were not accepted have asked how > > ad-hoc or self-scheduled (pick a name!) sessions will happen. This has > > to be discussed and decided *now*, or we will be drowned in requests. > > > > Please do talk about this and decide. Ideally, the schedule and the > > rules (and space availability, and all that) for self-scheduling > > should be announced at the same time. > > I really don't get this. We have a talks team, which decides about > talks and workshops and all that. And then we have self-scheduling where > talks and workshops which werent accepted by the content team get > self scheduled?!? > > Will those self scheduled event end up in the same rooms as the others, > filing the time tables even more, putting more load on attendees and > video volunteers alike? As far as I understood Gunnar, self-scheduled talks will not have video coverage. > Whats the point of this, why doesnt the content team decide on those > talks / slots too? > > I'd understand if those self-scheduled events were in a dedicated different > room (which might or might not be videoed) but I dont get why it's useful > to have content team scheduling and self scheduling for the same ressource > (=room). At DebConfs where I was more active in scheduling all was scheduled by content team and the rule was that anything that is scheduled less than 24h in advance will not get video coverage. I have no idea why this is changed now and how it is done technically for random attendees to self-schedule anything. But as far as I can see the effect would be that the video team has less work since less talks are maintained by content team. My totally wild guess is that features of the new conference management system permit other things than we did before and so those new rules apply. See you Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] status talk "Debian for Medical Software"
[debconf-team, please read below about the booth question] Hi Andre, sorry for beeing quite late with talks confirmations. On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:15:46AM +0200, Roth, Andre wrote: > > Dear DebConf17 team, > > We are trying to send a group of engineers to the debconf and would > need to know as fast as possible whether the talk "Debian for Medical > Software" will be accepted. I can not give a final authoritative answer but I'm a member of the content team and with the insight into its data the talks easily scored a sufficient number of points to become accepted. As a personal note: I've started the Debian Med project in 2002 and your talk is closely related so I'm personally keen on seeing this talk to learn, how or work is received by our users. I would be really happy to have closer contact and advertising your talk on the Debian Med mailing list debian-...@lists.debian.org to raise attention also for people watching the video stream remotely is perfectly fine. > We have sometime a bit long processes in our company and we should > start organizing the travel soon. In short: It should be safe to organize the travel. > Also we would like to have a debconf booth and would need more > information on how to organize that. I'm not competent to say anything about boothes but I hope somebody from debconf-team might know better. > Thank you for letting me know! You are welcome and thanks for supporting DebConf Andreas. > Best Regards, > > André > > -- > André Roth > Senior Software Architect > > Roche Diagnostics International Ltd. > DSXDA Technical Architecture > Building/Room Erlen-2 / 04 / 310-35 > Forrenstrasse 2 > 6343 Rotkreuz Switzerland > > Phone: +41 41 799 2994 > > www.roche.ch/rotkreuz > _ > Confidentiality Note: This message is intended only for the use of the > named recipients and may contain confidential and/or privileged > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender and delete this message. Any unauthorized use of the information > contained in this message is prohibited. > > -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Could you please give content team members accedd (Was: Lets start rating talks!)
Ping? Content team intends to give a first selection of talks at end of April but at least two members of the team (jathan and me - may be more) do not have access to the talks we intend to select. Kind regards Andreas. On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 07:10:29AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Wafer admins, > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > jathan dijo [Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 09:00:57AM -0500]: > > > Great Gunnar! Do we need to access to the > > > https://debconf17.debconf.org/admin/talks/talk to help rating the talks? > > > Regards. > > > > Yes. If you don't have it, ask any Wafer admin for it now. > > Please give members of content team access to the talk URL above. > At least jathan <jathanblack...@openmailbox.org> and Andreas Tille > <ti...@debian.org> have no idea how to pass the login screen. > > Thanks > >Andreas. > > -- > http://fam-tille.de > -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Could you please give content team members accedd (Was: Lets start rating talks!)
Hi Wafer admins, On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > jathan dijo [Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 09:00:57AM -0500]: > > Great Gunnar! Do we need to access to the > > https://debconf17.debconf.org/admin/talks/talk to help rating the talks? > > Regards. > > Yes. If you don't have it, ask any Wafer admin for it now. Please give members of content team access to the talk URL above. At least jathan <jathanblack...@openmailbox.org> and Andreas Tille <ti...@debian.org> have no idea how to pass the login screen. Thanks Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Two user names tille + tille1 trouble
Hi again, I've registered now as user "tille" (without the appended 1). As this user I can not even see my registrations since links like https://debconf17.debconf.org/talks/7/ return 403. Please, pretty please merge these data to avoid confusion or tell me, what I can do. Thanks a lot Andreas. PS: Is there any request tracker for such issues? On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 01:00:03PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi, > > I have no idea how this happens but when I registered events for > DebConf17 I was somehow logged in as tille1. My usual user name > is tille - but there are no talks registered in this account. > > Also astonishing: When looking at the page > >https://debconf17.debconf.org/users/tille1/ > > I can see the five events I submitted bit a red warning on top: > > WARNING: Talk proposal submitted, but not registered. > > This might be since as far as I know registration is not yet open - at > least I do not see any registration form. But I'm afraid a big mess > with two different logins. Is anybody able to fix this. > > Kind regards and see you in Montreal > > Andreas. > > -- > http://fam-tille.de > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Two user names tille + tille1 trouble
Hi, I have no idea how this happens but when I registered events for DebConf17 I was somehow logged in as tille1. My usual user name is tille - but there are no talks registered in this account. Also astonishing: When looking at the page https://debconf17.debconf.org/users/tille1/ I can see the five events I submitted bit a red warning on top: WARNING: Talk proposal submitted, but not registered. This might be since as far as I know registration is not yet open - at least I do not see any registration form. But I'm afraid a big mess with two different logins. Is anybody able to fix this. Kind regards and see you in Montreal Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Family / couple accomodation for DebConf 17
Hi Folks, sorry for not following DebConf issues closely these days. I'm quite busy with pre-freeze preparations for Debian Med and Debian Science. So may be my question is a bit uninformed bit for the moment the Wiki reads about accomodation: The lodging facilities will consist of 18 shared rooms in E block. Each room is approximately 74 square meters in size, with a ceiling height of 4.2 meters, and has windows equipped with blinds. Since we used to have accomodation facilities for couples and families in the previous DebConfs I wonder whether there will be some smaller rooms for two to four people as well. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] About swimming in Neckar
Hi Christian, On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 05:31:28PM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Andreas Tille (andr...@an3as.eu): Hi, I vaguely remember that somewhere on a debconf list was mentioned that you can go swimming in the nearby pool or in Neckar. Since I'd like to go swimming everywhere I checked the Neckar-Option and found the following German information: http://www.rnz.de/nachrichten/metropolregion_artikel,-Gesundheitsamt-raet-vom-Baden-im-Neckar-ab-_arid,112400.html which says rather don't go swimming in Neckar. I'm not sure whether this will keep me outside but I think we should somehow provide this information to the DebCOnf attendees to make at least an informed decision. Don't tell me that such warning will prevent you from swimming in Neckar. In about every DC location I've been at and where you were, I saw you swimming (usually at hours that the average geek would call crazy), so I can't even imagine that Andreas won't swim at DC15:-) Sure I'll swim in Heidelberg. But other people should simply have a chance to draw an educated decision to follow me or not. In any case I'll not create a beach map as in 2013 since I think it is not a good idea to drag in people when officials think it is not a good idea. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] About swimming in Neckar
Hi, I vaguely remember that somewhere on a debconf list was mentioned that you can go swimming in the nearby pool or in Neckar. Since I'd like to go swimming everywhere I checked the Neckar-Option and found the following German information: http://www.rnz.de/nachrichten/metropolregion_artikel,-Gesundheitsamt-raet-vom-Baden-im-Neckar-ab-_arid,112400.html which says rather don't go swimming in Neckar. I'm not sure whether this will keep me outside but I think we should somehow provide this information to the DebCOnf attendees to make at least an informed decision. Should I inject this into the Wiki FAQ? Any local might have better information, thought. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Media coverage
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:20:58AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu [2015-07-30 07:05 +0200]: yesterday I was swamped with advertising about Win 10 by German media that are payed by my dues (Deutschland Radio Kultur, ARD+ZDF). I was a bit bored by this and the idea popped up that we could write to them that if they mind doing free advertising for MS they could easily report about DebConf if its in Germany. If you agree I would draft a letter we could send on behalf of DebConf e.V. It's a great idea. We have a press release coming on Tuesday, so the timing is perfect. http://debconf15.debconf.org/press/2015-08-05.de.xhtml OK, I'll draft something. I guess it is better in German considering the target audience, right? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updating volunteering/teams pages
Hi, On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:29:35AM -0400, Tassia Camoes Araujo wrote: On 2015-03-15 04:45, martin f krafft wrote: following Jack's e-mail about volunteering for the website team, I noticed that http://debconf15.debconf.org/volunteer.xhtml referred to the old teams structure and I updated it. Please have a look and make any additional changes, as you see required. Thanks for doing that! +1 I agree the Teams page should be the main point of entrance for new volunteers. Yes. I actually have an example case: On my last trip to Vietnam I learned to know a very engaged woman who has neither a technical nor a free software background but would IMHO perfectly fit in DebConf organisation. She is involved in organising events for our partner city and I consider her very helpful and bright minded. I tested my impression when I asked her to provide a translation of https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150204 four hours later we had the translation in Vietnamese. Paul Wise seem to share my opinion[1] based on the story above. I just wrote a mail to Nattie as head of Participant assistance team and I think this team is the best entry point for Minh (which is her name). The answers on debian-women were to sparse (hey, why do mostly men answer there? ;-)) to get her some grip and a detailed job to do to prove her skills. So we somehow need some kind of task list which is easy to understand and someone who volunteers to guide kindly in case of questions (a bit like my Mentoring of the Month for packaging). While I would volunteer to guide her into DebConf things I personally also do not have any clue what task she could do even now to prove her honest interest. Any hints? See you in Heidelberg Andreas. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2015/03/msg3.html -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Registration questions
Hi, On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 05:59:03PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Could frame this differently? The normal framing (above) often ends up with an assumption that everyone must eat meat, with only a limited set-aside for vegetarians. This results in overconsumption of meat: it forces normal people to eat meat in order to avoid running out of vegetarian dishes for the vegetarians. +1 I for myself (not beeing a vegetarian) decided to register as vegetarian on any event since I like vegetarian food as well and decide at random whether I might rather pick from the non-vegetarian food which usually is available in larger quantities. I think having a larger reserve on vegetarian food (by cutting from the non-vegetarian reserve) is a sensible idea. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Sprints during DebCamp (and DebConf)
Hi, On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 05:58:21PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote: ... This is not a silver bullet to avoid people coming to DebCamp on vacation. But we think it's something that will help many people make the most of that time. [quoting my mail to cont...@debconf.org] I beg to disagree. While I certainly would find a sprint topic I see no reason at all to force people into defining a sprint topic in contrast to a certain work plan. I considered DebCamp always a very productive time and pressing people into predefined workplans might IMHO reduce the creative environment. Are there any concerns with this plan? Yes. I never had the impression that people are doing vacation at DebCamp. While we had some non-hacking activities at DebCamp this was no difference to DebConf and this is IMHO part of the sense of meeting Debianistas. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] The talks team is recruiting
Hi Ana, On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:04:57AM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: Please, send an email before the end of November if you would like to join. Even if the call for events won't be sent in a several months, we have some things we should start discussing already. Its definitely past end of November. I needed to work down my backlog from holidays. If there is some helping hand needed for talks team please count me in. See you in Heidelberg Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Videos don't work for me, guys.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 03:16:41PM +0200, Andreas Glaeser wrote: http://plenary.encoder.timvideos.us:8080/webcast-high.webm http://plenary.encoder.timvideos.us:8080/webcast-high.webm Maybe it's my mistake and I have not found yet, where they are hosted. http://video.eu.debconf.org:8000/room3278.ogv http://video.eu.debconf.org:8000/room329.ogv http://video.eu.debconf.org:8000/room338.ogv I checked this yesterday. (On Saturday I actually watched with the URLs you mentioned above but this failed yesterday). Hope this helps Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] thank you and thanks for all the fish
Hi Holger, On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 02:44:44AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Despite all of this: each year *at* DebConf we do work very well together to make it happen. Again and again. +1 So, thank you for making DebConfs happen and fun! Many thanks for making Debian happen and fun too! Thanks to you Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Improving the lunch for DebConf13?
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 08:32:01AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: I'm in favour for the lunch upgrade. +1 OTOH I think we should try to downgrade the dinner during CW: people could choose to eat less (if it is a buffet), and probably we need the dining room for CW (so a buffet could simplify setup, and shorten the dining period). I'd go even further: Its simply insane to have dinner before CW. I could imagine to add a Wiki page were you register for CW as replacement for dinner and than subtract the number of registered CW attendees from the number of people we do pay for dinner at Le Camp. Or in case there are some dinner tickets ask in advance if people want to have this ticket at CW evening. When? I think the first DebCamp, last DebCamp and setup DebConf (so the setup days), and possibly the after-Debian-party the formule lunch is more appropriate), for the other days I don't care (but If we downgrade the CW dinner, possibly we should have the better lunch option in that day) In any case there is no point in having dinner competing with CW party. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Improving the lunch for DebConf13?
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:29:06AM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: On 26.07.2013 11:22, Andreas Tille wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 08:32:01AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: I'm in favour for the lunch upgrade. +1 OTOH I think we should try to downgrade the dinner during CW: people could choose to eat less (if it is a buffet), and probably we need the dining room for CW (so a buffet could simplify setup, and shorten the dining period). I'd go even further: Its simply insane to have dinner before CW. I could imagine to add a Wiki page were you register for CW as replacement for dinner and than subtract the number of registered CW attendees from the number of people we do pay for dinner at Le Camp. Or in case there are some dinner tickets ask in advance if people want to have this ticket at CW evening. Not all people like (or can assimilate) cheese, and I don't think registering is will work well. ... that's why I was suggesting a positive voluntary exclusion of people who do not want dinner. I guess way more people would fail registering for CW than those who just do not like cheese. But we could save money anyway. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Day Trip - please comment
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:46:20PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: While I agree that it's indeed a very nice hike and expect some people to actually do this hike, I think we should also offer a less strenuous option like the Gorges de l'Areuse from Boudry to Champs du Moulin. Sure. What I like from this hike is that it actually ends up with the rest of the crowd. Other possibilities with that criteria satisfied include: ... The other possibility is doing that trip in the afternoon, downhill from Creux-du-Van: I really prefer uphill (and I guess Christian will do as well). It's not only that we are crazy uphill runners - 1000m downhill is a pain for knees of potential grandfathers (tm). I think we should really think in terms of avoiding empty coaches moves, +1 Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Day Trip - please comment
Hi, On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 07:02:49PM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: FWIW, my own plan is hiking from Vaumarcus to Creux du Vanbut I don't expect many people to follow such plan... :-). I still need to calculate how long it might take. I'll join you. If you mean by hiking actually running I'll take my bike. In other words: I prefer discovering the nature around Le Camp by using my own power rather than some engine. A shower on arrival would be appreciated but bathing in the lake is fine too and, ifnothing works, the problem is for non-hikers, not for hikers..:-) +1 for the lake - can't see a reason why this should not work. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Towel
Hi, On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 09:32:26PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 11 iul 13, 14:21:12, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: On 11/07/2013 14:07, Andreas Tille wrote: BTW, I would buy a towel saying Don't panic surrounded by one swirl at the front and one of the back of this text. I am adding this in the ToDo list of Debian France. ;) I hereby repeat my Vive la France from my private mail in public. ;-) Sylvestre PS: I would buy it too. +1 and I imagine it would be very popular ;) A *very* quick search has given me for *stitched* towels (IMHO this is better than printing regarding a sustainable towel - experts might correct me) has resulted in prices between 10 to 20 Euro when done in Germany. I'm increasingly like this idea ... :-) Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Payment options?
Hi, I'd like to give some additional hint to this topic (after just having initialised the transaction). I personally went to my Bank and they said that in case some conversion of currency is involved *all* Banks would charge you at least 12.?? Euro but 27.?? Euro (as I payed actually when paying the Nomad) would be the usual amount. I immediately offered help for to divide the amount in CHF by the exchange rate printed on the invoice and this changed things a bit. So if I do not put the price in CHF on the form but in EURO the transaction should really be for free. At least I've got the word of the stuff personal that they will solve the issue on their account if this should be not the case. So for everybody there should be a warning: If you use SEPA than regard the exchange rate on the invoice for your transaction and use the value in EURO. Hope this helps Andreas. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:46:53PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Judit Foglszinger fgr...@freenet.de writes: I had a very bad experience when doing money transfer from Germany to Swiss for my Nomad Swiss knife: The banks have taken extra 25 Euro for the about 30 Euro knife. Philipp Hug is more qualified to talk about this, but when I last talked to him about this the idea was to allow at least one option that makes it possible to pay by credit card (most probably through PayPal). When I ordered my knife, I got the following instructions: Most banks are capable of performing so-called SEPA-transactions, which are not any more expensive than national transations. Please make sure to ask your bank. This is not true for transactions to Switzerland. We already discussed this at some length last autumn. SEPA is only the technology used and does not have anything to do with the fees charged. The confusion comes from the fact that *inside* the European Union banks are not allowed to charge more for international transactions than for national transactions and as national transactions are usually free of charge, most transactions inside the EU are free as well. But note that Switzerland while at the heart of Europe is *not* an European Union member state. Some banks don't charge for SEPA transactions to Switzerland, others do. How much the transaction costs depends on your bank. Gaudenz The trick is doing the transfer in euro, regardless of the currency and using BIC/IBAN. When asked about transfers in foreign currency, banks tend to only mention the expensive option. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Report from the Le Camp visit
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 02:48:52PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: If someone could include Debian-branded towels into their merchandising bundle often brought to the event, this could be a very hot opportunity. SOme people with their own towels might be inclined to get one (like me) :) I even remember the plan I had with Bdale that HP might sponsor some Don't panic inscripted towels some (3) DebConf's ago which unfortunately never happened. I wonder if it makes more sense to provide towels rather than T-Shirts because Hitchhikers guide never talks about T-Shirts but never go without your towel ... BTW, I would buy a towel saying Don't panic surrounded by one swirl at the front and one of the back of this text. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Day Trip - please comment
Hi, On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:24:55PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: On 11.07.2013 15:07, Raphaël Walther wrote: Well, we will need to split the group between more or less 5 coaches of 75 persons: BREAKFAST at Le Camp + All attendes will take a picnic provided by Le Camp. MORNING 9:30 - 12:00 Activity A. Visit of Mauler in Motier https://www.mauler.ch/ Activity B. Visit of La Chaux-de-Fonds and its museum about watches http://www.neuchateltourisme.ch/en/decouvertes/museums/clock-making-m-lanbspchaux-de-fonds.1500.html Activity C. Visit of an absinthe distillery in Couvet Activity D. Visit of Asphalt mine http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/destinations/top_attractions/travers-asphalt-mines.html Activity E. Hiking - there are nice possibilities in the area. More about that later. I think there is too much options, which IMHO could complicate the organization. Note: people doesn't set a preference, people changes the preference on the same day, according the friend's preferences. Additionally you say 5 coaches, so we need people splitting in group homogeneously... I don't think it is very realistic So I would reduce the choice to max 3 options. +1 PIC NIQUE LUNCH 12:00 - 14:00 Everybody will be at Creux du Vent if the weather is good. In case of bad weather we can probably book a covered place for 300 person at Chézard-Saint-Martin (i haven't called yet). Just for those who want to have a look on Creux du Vent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creux_du_Van It is a nice place. AFTERNOON 14h-15h transport to Neuchâtel 15h-18h visit of Neuchâtel, there will be a lot of musician and artists in the street from 17h in the city center which is a pedestrian area. The lake is always very close. For those who are intrested in technology we could arrange a visit to CSEM : http://www.csem.ch/site/ 3 hours in Neuchâtel it is a lot of time for geeks. So for non shoppers, I'll delay the departure from Creux du Van. E.g. 2 or 3 couches could depart 1h-1h30 later. 18h-19 Neuchâtel - Vaumarcus by boat Question: will it be possible to transport a / some bicycle(s) on the boat (just considering an alternative to hiking - which is in contrast to my initial vote of less options, thought). 19h30-20h30 Dinner at Le Camp Very full program, but also very nice. DETAIL: I will need one volunter by activity in the morning who will be responsible and doing the activity. This can be arranged at a later stage. I would volunteer C (or ev. B). Unfortunately these activities are in the morning ;-) I could imagine having fun with hiking. I'm carrying an OSM equiped GPS device which might help finding the needed places. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Payment options?
Hi, On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:03:41AM +0200, Philipp Hug wrote: Yes, we'll allow both Credit Card (PayPal) and wire transfer. I do not have a PayPal account (and I do not plan to change this). Most banks are capable of performing so-called SEPA-transactions, which are not any more expensive than national transations. Please make sure to ask your bank. Some banks don't charge for SEPA transactions to Switzerland, others do. How much the transaction costs depends on your bank. That's correct: European banks are only forced to not charge more than for domestic transfers if the transfer goes into a EU country. As Switzerland is not part of the EU this rule doesn't apply and it's up to the bank how much they charge. Technically it should cost them the same as any other european transfer as most Swiss banks participate in SEPA. Just to make sure I understood things correctly: Is the receiving bank in Swizzerland or the sending bank (somewhere in EU) or both grabbing the money? Did you considered an alternative for paying to a EU bank (perhaps FSF Europe) and moving this money to DebConf account somehow? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Payment options?
Hi, I had a very bad experience when doing money transfer from Germany to Swiss for my Nomad Swiss knife: The banks have taken extra 25 Euro for the about 30 Euro knife. So we should provide payment options that do not make extra profit to random banks. I don't mind paying extra money - but it should be directed to Debian not to the wrong people (tm). Did anybody though about this issue before? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Cloud Track at Debconf
Hi, my short personal answer is: Anything that takes workload from the shoulders of the talk selection / scheduling teams is fine. I have no idea whether you might get those susper-cow-penta powers to put the cloud talks into a to be defined Cloud(y) day (hope sun will shine anyway) or whether you just should send the schedulers a wishlist - but from my perspective your request is acceptable. Please note that in previous years we had tracks starting with larger audience talks in the main auditorium in the morning and moved to the smaller auditorium with more focussed BoFs. Kind regards Andreas. On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 03:46:22PM -0400, brian.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I volunteered to lead the new Cloud Track at debconf and was hoping to step up the efforts there now. I recently got an email in regards to submissions from Google in regards to their talk submissions, and I am sure they are not alone in waiting for feedback. I spoke with Rudy Godoy today who is part of the Eucalyptus team in Debian and he has volunteered to help out, and of course, brian Gupta has already expressed his interest as well. I was hoping the debconf powers that be would allow us to form a 3 person team to select which talks will be accepted and work with Andreas to get them scheduled. (it will be good to see you again Andreas!) I'm happy to add 2 more members to the team if anyone else on debian-cloud is interested but would like to keep it an odd number (for 'voting' on talks) and no more than 5 just to keep it manageable. In the meantime, I think we can more than get started with 3. Please let me know if this is acceptable and I'll reach out to Brian and Rudy and get things going. Thanks! -Brian -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated DebConf Budget draft
Hi, On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 07:44:10PM +0200, Philipp Hug wrote: * 4-day DebCamp was added with a budget of CHF 2 Very cool! Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Traveling information: Train via Germany use Europa-Spezial Schweiz
Hi Daniel, On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:00:55AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 14/05/13 17:37, Andreas Tille wrote: Remark: I have found one connection from my place which only costs 39.00 for one way but it lasts three hours longer and includes changing trains 10 times. Just out of interest, how much do you pay just for a ticket to the Swiss border and back? There is no such thing like border and back if you by the Europa Spezial ticket so I can not answer this question. While there is no detail confirmed about the day trip, people buying multi-day rail passes would presumably use them to and from the border and on the day trip as well The regional pass for Lake Geneva - Alps is a typical example but doesn't stretch to the German border: http://www.myswitzerland.com/en/regional-pass-lake-geneva-alps-en.html (adult, 130 CHF, 7 days) but for somebody coming from France, assuming that half the price of that ticket is used for the day trip, and the other half is paying for arrival/departure, they are paying about 33 CHF each way from the border to Yverdon. Feel free to put this information at https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Travel/Train Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 talks selection team
Hi Gunnar, On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 06:48:03PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I have affirmative answers already from Andreas and Tássia. :-) - Review + send the call for papers A CfP draft is available at: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Talk_submissions So far OK (I think I had a first look previously. Please, take a look and help proofread this. I want to send it at most on 2013-05-15. (Should we extend the official CfP period? Two weeks seems like too short) For the talks team I'd consider to start with the ranking process at 2013-06-01 a good idea. Past experience shows that this process also takes about two weeks. I would not have any problem if in this time some late comers might drop in. In other words: Yes, two weeks is IMHO to short but to keep the pressure for traditional late comers I would not mind if we stick to this short window in the first place and see how many we get. Opening another window of additional 7 to 10 days afterwards would be perfectly fine for me because I think we will not loose anything. - Talks scheduling team. Right now, we are talking about the talks /selection/ team. A smaller (but very important!) talks scheduling team should be formed soon afterwards. I also agreed to do this as in previous years. - Discuss on talks rating and track acceptance policies (should be a short discussion, but I'd rather not assume things we should do as a team) - Wait for talks to appear, rate them, and have the scheduling team work out the best way to present them --- I wonder whether we want to declare some track topics in advance or whether we arrange existing talk submissions into tracks afterwards (or whether we do not use the tracks scheme at all). I'm in favour of waiting what kind of talks will be submitted and create some kind of tracks once we have them all but I'm open to declare some main topics in advance if some of you might imagine such topics. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Rethinking the way travel sponsorship works
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 07:51:32AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: The Herb Team *is* diverse and I think that the work we did last year was very efficient and fair. I particularly thank David Bremner for sustaining that work during the IRC meeting(s?) we had. I have just bought my train tickets and will not ask for sponsorship this year - so if needed (and only if needed) I might add some diversity to the team. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Asking NASA for sponsoring DebConf (or simply dedicated DebCamp)
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:33:29AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Er, in case you missed it, the US has implemented austerity measures across the federal government this year, with the result that NASA's outreach budget is currently approximately 0. http://www.universetoday.com/100949/sequester-cancels-nasa-outreach/#ixzz2OcIaS9f6 I guess it doesn't hurt to ask, but NASA is not well-funded even during financially good times, so if I were you I wouldn't get my hopes up. Thanks for the reality check however, I think asking does not harm and some DebConf sponsering could perfectly qualify as approximately 0 on NASE budget scale. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Asking NASA for sponsoring DebConf (or simply dedicated DebCamp)
Hi, I was stumbling upon this pretty cool news http://www.zdnet.com/to-the-space-station-and-beyond-with-linux-714958/ this morning. Hey, if I look at the stars I can see Debian for some moments! So do we have any people close to NASA or should just anybody try to approach them to fill a financial gap to enable DebCamp? I'd volunteer to dedicate a part of my work there at some workitems specified by them (if they have such). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bubullemobile confirmation
Hi French friends, On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 08:47:57AM +0200, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: The nice thing about it is that it has plenty of space to transport stuff, both from Paris to Vaumarcus (I will *not* fill it with cheese) and also over there. Initially, I was planning to rent a car (like for FOSDEM) since we have many boxes. If you think that you car is big enough and doesn't seem cheese too much, we could go together :) As far as I remember in past discussions there is some agreement between Italien and French cheese experts that the Italians have the best hard cheese and Frenchs have the best soft cheese. I'd bet soft cheese makes a very good mechanical isolation between those hardware boxes. ;-) Question regarding arrival time at DebCamp: Because I would like to book my travel *right now* because I can get the best price at Deutsche Bahn three monthes in advance I wonder whether some other people would like to arrive early. If there is a DebCamp we could perfectly hack on computers / help setting up stuff for DebConf. If there will be no DebCamp we could pay for some accomodation at Le Camp ourselves and enjoy the nature together. I vaguely plan to go at 2013-08-05 +/- two days - depending who (if at all) might like this idea. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebCamp [Was: Re: Bubullemobile confirmation]
Hi Giacomo,
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:24:27AM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
If they have some free buildings ('free' not like in beer or in
speech), we will book them (we are in negotiations to add 5 DebCamp
days).
That's cool.
Looks as if my planed arrival date (2013-08-05) would fit this.
They are not an hotel, so people cannot book single rooms.
Yep - that's why I was asking for others here. I'll stay in idle mode
if you are just negotiating.
Thanks for organising
Andreas.
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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 open to the public?
Hi, On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 02:37:06PM +0200, Raphaël Walther wrote: Hi list, I have been asked by linux-neuchâtel (LUG): Does this conference is only for developers ? After a discussion on IRC, I wrote this draft. Although DebConf13 is the annual developers meeting of the Debian Project and not a users conference, it is open to the public. If you want to attend a talk on a specific day please register to the conference with an arrival date equal to departure date. Do you agree this is an appropriate answer ? I wonder whether we do need any registration for those visitors at all (see below). Moray suggested also to put it on the website. Shall we put it on the about.xhtml page? If we have an answer, this should probably also published on the web page. I wonder how we want to handle those one day attendees: Do we want to undergo all this batch preparing etc. stuff or just let people stumble into Le Camp and watch a talk. In the later case I do not see any need for a registration into Penta and in general I'd regard it way more simple to just have no guards controling the badges at the entrance (which is effectively what we do anyway). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for papers and talks team for DC13
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 08:50:39AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Right, we should really get this going. And by this I mean everything we are not yet doing ;-) +1 selection process[2]. Ok, I'll work a bit on it today. I would still prefer somebody else to give a proper polish to it afterwards (i.e. Native Englishness and such) I had a very short look onto this and it made sense to me. The team wiki page [3] currently only lists Andreas Tille as a member of this team. I confirm that I would like to take part in talk selection and scheduling team. I'd prefer if the talks team would draft the call for paper and send it. Who has time to work on this? I'll go look at Giacomo's draft right away. But I'm not (yet) sending it. And, of course, it should IMO absolutely not be sent before the registration is open, as people will be scratching their heads as to how to submit a talk (but also, it should be sent right next to it). I'm just working down my backlog from vac. If you want me to do something about it (even after one week has passed after your initial mail) just ping me (and tell me where I can find the draft you were talking about). See you at DebConf Andreas. [2] https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/TalkSelection [3] https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Teams#Talks -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] {Disarmed} CERN DebConf13?
Hi, On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 07:11:04AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Philip Hands (p...@hands.com): It would be very cool if we could develop links to try and get GRID to be more easily served by Debian servers. I get the impression that Scientific Linux is generally used, and am told that it makes the whole thing more painful than it needs to be. As someone who maintains a full distro on top of CentOS for a big bunch of scientific workstations, all I can do is agree to this. There are unfortunalty tons of reasons (mostly bad ones, but not under my control) for which we are *not* using Debian (like Joss does at EDF) but I can definitely tell that one can measure how well Debian fits the needs for scientific machines.when one tries to do the same on top or rpm-based hell (including Scientific Linux). So, I'm definitely convinced the proposal is good for developing links, yes. +1 However, I doubt that this is a DebConf daytrip issue. Last year I really enjoyed the workshop at ESRF in Grenoble and this kind of events does fit way better than a bunch of DebConf attendees watching large tubes and coils of LHC. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://www.esrf.eu/events/conferences/debian-for-scientific-facilities-days-1 -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] sponsored attendees and rail prices
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:34:26AM +0200, Philipp Hug wrote: Yes, this is correct. You can only book 3 months ahead. The prices seem to be the similar on sbb.ch (Stuttgart-Yverdons-les-Bains, no BahnCard or HalbTax, 39EUR/48CHF) But you should also compare with bahn.de. I think some links and/or guidelines are helpful as it's not always easy to find the best fares. Hints from my experience / questions at counter for traveling with DB: - bahn.de is a nice resource of information but does not give hints to all tricks - one interesting trick not mentioned there is the so called Probe-Bahncard[1] that is valid for 4 monthes which works like a Bahncard 25% with interesting amounts of discount for certain special offers. This Probe-Bahncard costs only 25,- Euro - for long distance travel this is usually less than the discount you might get (bahn.de will not give an explicite hint about this - the counter personal explicitely did) - You can book 3 months ahead and you should try to do this to get the best account - Looking for connections some hours earlier / later might lead to interesting savings - Bringing your own bicycle from Germany to Swiss costs only extra 10,- Euro (per direction) - my plan is to bike from Yverdons-les-Bains to Le Camp which is fun on one hand and saves the cost for the Bus (so one direction carrying the bike is close to free of cost) However, you can not bring your bike in ICE, which might make a slightly slower connection Hope this helps and might be even applicable for people from outside Germany who might just pass. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://www.bahn.de/p/view/bahncard/ueberblick/probebahncard.shtml -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated DebConf budget draft - explanations
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:14:58PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: + CHF 3k for day trip on some DebConf we paid. In NYC it was very cheap (subway fare, not for all attendees, a baseball match). This belongs to track B IMO. We should not underestimate the value of the day trip as an event where people socialize for one day without computers. It really helps to strengthen the social bonds of the project. While it's better than nothing, I don't the idea of a paid for daytrip. The daytrip does not need to be fancy or expensive. If people want to do expensive touristy things they can do that on their own. I fully agree with the importance of the daytrip and as you are saying in the end of this paragraph it simply does not be fancy or expensive. I'd say fully YES to the daytrip but simply NO to CHF 3k for it. As far as I understand Le Camp location a daytrip could just be a getting into your shoes and start walking. Probably locals have some better plans that will cost about a bottle of water and some sandwich to bring. But as always it depends on having some well known speakers. That where the 3k for external speakers should go. If we don't need them and get well known and good speakers for free or cheaper, even better. As Gunnar said: I'm pretty sure there are some well known speakers at DebConf and I can not imagine that we need to invite additional speakers to celebrate Debian birthday. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for volunteers to join DebConf Committee
Hi, On Fri, Mar 08, 2013 at 12:11:59PM +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote: I'll be happy to help... Although take into consideration I might not be able to attend Debconf 2014 (depends on location). I would join as well but having a similar problem like Lior I'm afraid I might be biased and thus I hesitate to join for the 2014 bid. You might put me on a waiting list for 2015. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] 2013-02-10 IRC DebConf meeting - Minutes
Hi Didier, On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 08:47:22AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: P.S. Are these Meeting reminder and then Meeting minutes mails actually useful? I'm sending them routinely assuming that they are, so I was surprised that noone took over for this one. So; useful to anyone? Yes, they are definitely useful. Thanks for taking over this job. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for DebConf volunteers and DebConf14/15 bids
Hi, On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 02:26:00AM +, Moray Allan wrote: 3. Please consider joining the DebConf team, whether or not you are associated with a future bid! There are many possible ways to help in the months before DebConf, including technical contributions, fundraising, or specific tasks like talk scheduling. Ask how you can help on the DebConf team list, or drop by the #debconf-team channel on irc.debian.org. As in some previous years I'd volunteer in talks selection and scheduling. See you in Switzerland (and maybe see some of you at FOSDEM first), Looking foreward (to both ;-)) Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Online rooms booking systems
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:35:05PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: Has anyone that's been responsible for doing the room allocation bit of debconf actually contributed any views to any of these threads yet? That would be good - but also remember that every DebConf is different. This one has a rigid accommodation structure with differing tiers and a maximum bed count, so it does not extrapolate from (pick some other DebConf) I somehow associate Marga (cc) with room allocation - no idea whether this is correct that she did it for more than one DebConf and whether she might volunteer / have free time cycles to give some helpful hints. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: It also sounds a bit weird if you want to support the conference but not pay for the costs of your food and accomodation. If you only want to pay part of your costs you can still apply for sponored food and accomodation and make a donation towards DebConf. I hope this makes it clearer. It makes your mail clearer but remains weird from my point of view that is rather like I want to support the conference by not creating extra expenses for hosting and feeding me. In other words it does not really fit what I intended when writing http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20121108.135104.894ffd95.en.html So finally in my specific case it turns out that I need to ask you what costs of accomodation and food I did created and I need to donate this towards DebConf. I wonder if it would not simplify things if there would be some other status of attendee that is not called professional but simply covers its very own costs. BTW, I remember a case were some other DD had a similar intend like me and assumed that professional is paying some fee but getting free accomodation + food and was a bit disappointed to learn that he has to pay this in addition. It makes a difference if you volunteer to pay 500 and learn later that rather need to pay 1000. IMHO we need to make this *very* clear to make sure we will not disappoint people who voluntarily support DebConf at their very own expense. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 03:03:11PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Yes that's right. IMO the professional attendence fee should include neither food nor accomodation. It's just for attending the conference and completely voluntary. ... For professional attendees my idea of completely decoupling would mean that they always pay the full price for food and accomodation and don't get any credit. I'm a bit confused by professional attendence fee should include neither food nor accomodation and professional attendees ... always pay the full price for food and accomodation Could you please clarify this? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] I wish you a wonderful 2013 DebConf13! (oh, and DebConf14 too)
Hi Sylvestre, On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 08:38:38PM +0100, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: For your information, I was motivated to propose Paris as a city for Debconf 14 (or 15). However, these recent threads/attitudes broke my motivation to start anything on this subject. Well, I'd rather see it from the point of enhancing your personal skills: If you can bear all this and went through organising of a DebConf nothing else can harm you any more (=if it does not kill you it makes you harder). ;-) +1 for DebConf in Paris Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Measuring DebConf success (Was: Regarding DebConf13 planned location)
Hi, in several mails (not only the quoted mail) people were talking about qualitative measures in terms of failure vs. success and we now even try to apply a quantitaive measure: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:45:13PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: E.g. (note, numbers are *entirely hypothetical*): if the event costs $1,000,000 and the team promises they can raise earmarked sponsorship of $900,000, so that Debian is only responsible for net $100,000; but Debian only gets $40,000 total value from it; then this is a net loss for Debian. It's important to recognize this as a -$60,000 proposition, not a $40,000 one. If you disagree with this formulation, please let me know. If I were DPL I would disagree. I perfectly understood the *entirely hypothetical* constraint in the mail and I need to disagree anyway. IMHO there is no measure for a success of DebConf and the mail above inspired me to think whether there might be any measure we could apply. At first considering the monetary value of a DebConf. How to measure it? Lines of code written times some fictive value of money (in the way they calcualted linux kernel value or similar)? Most probably not. Number of people at DebConf? I don't think so. Number of exchanged GPG signatures to prove that people really met and not only were on the same place? Also no. Number of talks held? Also a clear no. Byte count of IRC logs to include people who joined DebConf from remote? Kinds of cheese + wine at cheese wine party? Portions of food served / pints of beer consumed? Time of mao game times number of people joined the game? Or down to the basic things like number of shower facilities per person? What I want to say is: There is neither any objective nor most probably any subjective measure to declare a DebConf a success or failure. The only thing we can really measure is the surplus / dept a DebConf created. I also would not fully agree that this number is correlated linearly to the attribute success / failure of the DebConf and we all were aware from the point of the decision that the local team has a hard time this year. The decision was in favour of lets do a different DebConf in 2013 and so we should stick to it. But please if you are using the terms success and failure please state explicitely on what measure you are relying because otherwise others might fail to understand you. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Accomodation analysis of Le Camp
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 06:49:09PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: I do know that at each DebConf where the standard accomodation was 4-per-room, I don't know from where you have this standard: DebConf3 (Oslo): Standard was a Gym with mattresses on the floor DebConf5 (Helsinki): I do not know the standard but I was using a mattress on the floor in a room with two beds and maximum occupation of 6 persons DebConf7 (Edinburgh): youth hostel with 6 persons per room (as far as I know there was no guarantee that all roommates were DebConf attendees but random people) So we failed three times in the standards you are claiming. In other words: In Europe we only had two times the standard you are mentioning (DebConf 9+11) and so I doubt that we do have something like a standard for European DebConfs at all. BTW, besides the claimed 4-per-room standard I really like your way to calculate the room occupation. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Information about accommodation at le camp (photos and plans)·
Hi Ana, many thanks for your nice research. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:22:13PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: ... http://www.lecamp.ch/visite.php?lang=# ... To my understanding, the accommodation on the remaining buildings is in a similar state. With some different arrangement for the beds disposed for people in wheelchair. I don't know about the showers for people in wheelchair but it would be also good to know. I don't know the status for other kinds of disabilities. From http://www.lecamp.ch/communs/batiments.php?id=8lang=en I would guess that they care about disabilities. People who have visited Le Camp might like to comment on this. If to all the above if you add details like the nearest supermarket being 3.7km away or that the nearest hotel is mostly unaffordable (320CHF the night for a double room) and the rest of the hotels listed are between 3km and 7km away, so if you don't want to stay at le camp your possibilities of being somewhere else are quite limited and you need a car Right, it is most probably a good thing to have a car if you need to relay on services not available in Le Camp. On the other hand given the location I expect at least having 10 cars of DebConf attendees probably more. I have also read Marga's concern about the lack of an available supermarket. People who have visited Le Camp might like to comment whether there is some way to buy some basic needs forgotten toiletries / extra+different food (again - I think I remember that it was posted here but the archive ... ) Given the quite safe assumption that there are cars around it is a question of organising things and even if I do not say we are excellent in organising we even managed to rent two busses from Banja Luka. I can not seriosely imagine that we should be unable to get all basic needs served. we have end having a venue that IMHO is unsuitable for DebConf. I admit after having seen the URL you were hinting above I thought: What a great place for a DebConf! So, sorry, same facts totally different conclusion. See you at DebConf13 Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Information about accommodation at le camp (photos and plans)·
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:01:57PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: We also can't force people with cars to drivers other. Some people might want just have the car parked the whole week. I do not think that forcing is the proper word. I simply trust in the ability of DebConf attendees to organise things in an apropriate manner. If you see debconf as some holidays, certainly. For debconf you need talk rooms, hacklabs, internet, etc that are impossible to evaluate seeing those photos. With the exception of internet which was not visible on the plan (but confirmed by Le Camp to be extended to our needs) I have definitely seen talk rooms and hacklabs - and they locked really nice and perfectly fit. That's actually the very good news I obtained from the link you gave. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 decision meeting: past and present
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 09:37:51PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: Ana's point is that some people would like to go to their room and not be disturbed. My point was that I do not remember that DebConf ever provided such thing like your room. There was some arrangement for people with partners as far as I know but as far as I understood this is somehow feasible in Le Camp as well. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 decision meeting: past and present
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 06:20:35PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: If it isn't in the contract, we can not know for certain we'll be able to camp. The responsible of Le Camp has a board behind of him who can overrule him or he can decide for whatever reason he is finally not happy with it. This is very clear in the conditions générales. I admit that when reading this list I have the feeling that non-Germans start showing behaviour Germans are famous for while native Germans stop taking every single word of such contracts as if graved in stone. That's a bit funny. And people won't be surrounded by people 24/7, that's again a biased way to put it. If the only way you have to be 5min alone is going alone in the forest, I have not words... Thinking back all DebConfs I joined ... hmmm DebConf 3 in Oslo I was in a hotel with my family - but even there were DebConf people. Sooo DebConf is actually not the place where you will be *alone* and from all what I have read here from people who visited Le Camp I do not see a big difference regarding staying separate from other people to any other DebConf. From my perspective the only way to be alone is to *start* running with Christian and finally give up after some time - then you will be alone. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company
Hi, yes, if they are running or considering to run Debian (or a derivative) - we should not discriminate anybody. No, if they just want to put their banners into Le Camp. Kind regards Andreas (who never touched a cigarette). On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:28:28PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, FYI (no time to write down my opinion atm...) cheers, Holger -- Forwarded Message -- Betreff: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company Datum: Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 Von: Raphaël Walther raphael.walt...@gmail.com An: debconf-sponsors-t...@lists.debconf.org Hi There, In Neuchâtel there is a huge cigarettes factory with approximatively 1500 employees. I think there is a chance they would support us. Before searching and investing my time I am asking you : Would you accept them as a sponsor ? Cheers, Raphaël --- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: For several of us, it is quite possible to make this choice We have to remember the people who don't have the option to pay and people who contribute so much to Debian that it is just not right to ask them to pay. I'm perfectly aware that this is not possible for everybody. The rationale of my mail was to give a hint that there might be some people who have the choice could voluntarily (yes, we *definitely* should not ask them to pay) simply choose for this option to help out with budget issues to enable others coming as well. I know from other DebConf attendees in the past that they even if private persons applied as professionals for the very same reason which simply inspired me to do this and by doing so giving some signal that if all else might fail we could have this extra resource of money we do not need to spend from DebConf budget. If enough of these people don't come, if they choose to attend other conferences or participate intermittently over IRC, it could undermine DebConf, as people are the most important part of an event. Then the people who did pay haven't got such a good deal. I think you totally missinterpreted my intention. My intention was to enable people who can not pay to join because the needed amount for them does not need to be spend for me. Instead of the survey suggestion, if we could ask people who share Andreas' feelings to make some kind of PGP-signed pledge to pay the professional fee, that may allow us to measure just how much of this revenue can be safely included in the budget forecast. I admit I do anticipate some heavy reaction if we would ask people for following this idea. We should be prepared for the very same arguing you did above and I don't know whether such action would qualify as asking people to do so (which we should not as I said above). I admit when I sended my mail I was surely relying in the idea that some others might follow (if not this would not help that much budget-wise). However, it might be better to set up some list of volunteer professionals or whatever you might like to call (and you are right this should be based on a GPG signature) were we could carefully direct people to. In this aspect my plan was a bit half-baken. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 6: trust + seeing is believing
Hi Gunnar, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:22:28AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Do you possibly want to draft an email calling for such pledges, and it can be discussed at the next meeting? Should we ask people to pledge the marginal cost (about 300 CHF), the professional fee (about 600 CHF), or just ask each person to pledge I'm willing to pay up to XXX francs if it can't be avoided? I thank and welcome Andreas' mail, and am joyous we will again have a chance to meet. However, such pledges have no place IMO. Many people know we are facing a tough budget, and we should, yes, make clear to attendees we could use their help. But requiring such pledges (and making them public or semi- even more) is off-limits. I fully agree here and I also hesitated to formulate an e-mail about this because this is what I'd call asking people for following which is what I did not want to do (because it is not acceptable). After thinking twice about my offer it might create some mental pressure like he did this, should I do the same which is also not intended. And even if somebody usually comes as a professional, and pledges to do so again, but cannot do it in the end (that is, before the final timeframe for sponsored accomodation)... Well, we will not demand them to. Even if they had blood-signed a GPG-signed document. ... just trying to imagine how blood-signing a GPG-signed document would work. ;-) Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Budget tradeoffs vs amount of fundraising
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 07:40:12AM -0300, David Bremner wrote: tangential to your main point. However, I do think that budgeting a sponsored day trip while budgeting zero travel sponsorship will leave a bad taste in many people's mouths. To put it another way, I'm fine with waiting to see if all the essentials are paid for before considering travel sponsorship, but I don't consider a sponsored day trip to be an essential aspect of DebConf. +1 I specifically think that in the case of Le Camp (or a similarly located holiday area) we just can do a daytrip without spending any money on it: Simply start walking together or jumping into the lake nearby should make a nice daytrip without any extra cost. So yes, please put the daytrip on the last budget position (even past travel sponsorship). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] beds camping (Was: reports from Le Camp BSP, part 2: le venue le contract)
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:57:35AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - The contract talks about renting tents. What if we come with our own tents? Or more precisesly: We should *prefer* bringing our own tents which I would prefer personally very much and which should be cheaper than renting them. BTW, given I had the choice the sleep in a room packed with 10 people I prefer my tent (which could be shared with another person). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet
Hi Holger, On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:52:23AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: so, you can flame now. On the contrary: Many thanks for your detailed report and the insight you gave. This draws a very better picture than past discussions here on the list. Many thanks for this! Considering you also visited one proposed alternative (Interlaken) I would like to trust you and the voting (from first part) that Le Camp might make a nice DebConf. Many thanks Andreas. PS: The only thing I was missing in your report is that there was no discussion whether it is a problem if people do not wear shoes. ;-) -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] reports from Le Camp BSP, part 1-3: irc meeting(s) on the internet
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:10:37PM +, Moray Allan wrote: Only if it is shown that both options would work equally well for Debian in budget/risks/etc. is it relevant to ask which is nicer. I have choosen the term nice more or less as a sign of optimism in contrast of some very sad messages here and Holgers report sounded to me like yes, it is possible in Le Camp. My reference to his Interlaken visit was just because he has at least visited a single alternative. I agree that we need to check all the budget/risk/etc but Holger's detailed mails based on face to face meetings shed some way better light on the issue than mails on this list did the last couple of weeks. Kind regards and thanks again to Holger for all his traveling and other efforts Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] not a registration fee, but...
Hi, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 09:06:51PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 22/10/12 20:45, Gunnar Wolf wrote: My issue with a registration fee is on principle. We organize a DebConf because it gives value to Debian. Important work is done there. Most attendees do pay a sensible cost to be there — Besides the travel fees (some of which we sponsor), we all pay with our volunteer time. Some won't have a family vacation because they devote that time to DebConf. Some are losing money because they work as contractors. Some are lucky and just have to face accumulation of work. Going to DebConf is not a vacation. It is an investment. We all work hard, each on their own area. I do not think we should insinuate there is a charge for being part of this. Fully ACK for Gunnar. We have some principles in DebConf and we should not break these. Just to be clear: I agree with the principle of that. But if we advertise a fee, people can use that as a justification to claim funding from various sources. People can (and always have been) used traveling costs as justification to claim funding. There is no need for any extra proof that DebConf needs sponsoring. I also do not agree to the principle Daniel suggested to spread the gathering of sponsors to number of participants shoulders. Our primary goal is to develop Debian (currently fixing RC bugs) and not to keep people busy to ask around for money. IMHO the main organisers of DebConf always did a good and way more effective job in gathering sponsors than single persons could do - and I use this chance to thank all those people involved into this hereby. Just my two Euro-cents Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf13-localteam] split debcamp?
Hi, I have not followed this logish thread fully but here are some thoughts: - 325 beds is a limiting factor but we always have to live with limits. I would not use this as an argument against 'Le Camp' which sounds like a pretty attractive venue to me in general. There should be ways to deal with this limit by announcing early and setting an early deadline for registration (which has some extra advantages for planing) - I do not consider getting extra external people for DebCamp to fill up the beds as very realistic. I would rather try to declare DebCamp as a dedicated time for Debian Sprints of different Debian teams and try to announce this to the different teams inside Debian. Perhaps some Debianers do have only one week time to spent and if the first week might become really attractive to meet the own team there could be some people prefering the pre-DebConf week over DebConf itself (I do not think of large numbers for this case - but anyway) * ... and perhaps some people might have a marriage at DebConf time and want to stay at DebCamp at least. ;-) Looking foreward to meet you all at 'Le Camp' Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] sponsored tracks?
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:49:33PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: c) if it could be made clear that the sponsor was not associated with the speakers, the corporate logos could be overlaid onto the bottom of the slides I have no very strong opinion on the other suggestions but please do not touch the slides (nor the video recording in a technical way = add something what is not in front of the lens). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Kids Camp for DebConf-next
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 05:42:35AM +0200, Hector Oron wrote: Premises: 0. I do not think creating yet another mailing list, project, infrastructure, ... is really needed. 1. debian...@lists.debian.org, a.k.a. https://lists.debian.org/debian-jr/, holds very low traffic. 2. debconf-team must need to coordinate in some aspects with debian-jr for debconf organization. Therefore, I propose: 0. Use mailing list listed in premises 1. to develop didactic methods to teach kids during a week parallel to DebConf, any needed software can be discussed and finally uploaded to Debian archive if needed for activities going on there. That might help to revive debian-jr project. 1. When approaching DebConf, debian-jr must coordinate with DebConf team, trying to avoid any overhead on DebConf team, DebConf kids camp status updates should be discussed in debconf-team, or announced in debconf-announce. I like the plan even if debian-jr must coordinate with DebConf team does not reflect the reality: Whoever steps into debian-jr *becomes* debian-jr itself (because there does not seem to be any such thing like debian-jr team any more). So if those people are DebConfIstas that's perfectly fine and I would like this plan very much but it just would be an internal coordination (as long as no new rush from outside would be triggered). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Busses for departure
Hi Velimir, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 03:07:31PM +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote: I called a bus renting service but they told me to mail them about what we need. So now i am waiting for their response. If i get nothing until tomorrow i will go there and ask face to face. Any news? I noticed that the wiki page fills up slowly only by debconf-team readers. Seems a bit unfair to me. Should I release the URL and just assume that it should be somehow possible to get a bus? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Busses for departure
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:30:51PM +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote: the buses can be arranged, but i need to see if we can pay for them (which is going to happen tomorrow after we meet with NGO DIVA). My suggestion is not about letting DebCOnf pay but the people wo are going with the bus will pay. (If DebConf pays even better - but we have a preference for reaching the airport / train station *at* *all* and my guess is that renting a completely covered bus will not cost much more than a public bus. So I will post the Wiki link and we might release the good news later ... Thanks for your effort Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Busses for departure
Hi, because I did not got any response from a local yesterday on IRC: I prepared a Wiki page to collect names of people interested in renting a bus for the main departure day: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Departures/RentABus Before I make noise on the gerneral list about this: Could some local please check whether renting a bus is really realistic. It would help to check this soon / nowish to care for a fallback otherwise. Please keep in mind that busses to BL were crowded enough to not to be able to cope with 50-100 extra people. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Arrivals/Departures pages: should we keep the Shuttle column?
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 09:07:21AM -0400, Richard Darst wrote: Someone made a good point that the arrivals and departures may overload the public carrier buses on the first and last days of DebConf, as I think someone has mentioned recently. Regarding last day of DebConf: IMHO it might make perfectly sense if *we* rent a bus in the sense that some local asks for the price of a bus, we divide this price by the number of places inside the bus which will probably occupied by people. This might be a reasonable alternative inbetween not going official shuttles and crowded public transfer. Any local volunteering to ask whether there are busses to rent and what this might cost? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Talks and scheduling update
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:27:22PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Andreas Tille dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 08:15:00AM +0200]: At some point in time (IMHO when DC 9 was running) there was a suggestion to publish the rating numbers in some way. I'd be in favour of this (but I'm not so terribly keen on it that I would volunteer to implement it :-)). Humm, this would have to be discussed. But I'm sure the right moment to do so is _not_ one month pre-DebConf ;-) Yes, I perfectly agree here. However, the right moment is also not after DebConf were we all feel burned out and have other stuff to do. And BTW, I'd like to repeat that I'm quite uncomfortable with this official / inofficial talks thingy ... While at it, we should also encourage people to rate the events they attended to, in order to give feedback to the authors/presenters. Yes. Please publish (again) the exact date / time for people like me who have obviosely missed any previous announcement. Thursday June 23, 17:00 UTC. Thanks - I've seen it in the next thread ... Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Talks and scheduling update
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 06:53:01PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: The event Measuring Team Performance (712) is also very strongly connected to Blends (the effort was actually invented to see how a Blend works but it will be useful for other teams inside Debian. humm, this was already tagged as for the «Debian / Society» track. You can fight over it with dkg ;-) There is no need to fight. As I said it is an offspring from the Blends effort but when mentoring the project I stressed the idea that we should make it as general as possible (so you could use the stuff even outside of Debian if you want and whereever people are using a VCS and a mailing list for communication). IMHO this would make a reasonable scheduling for the Blends topic in the Morning in the lectures room continuing in the afternoon in the BOF room. Now... Please keep in mind you gave me a list of _11_ events (minus one, for 712). Regular event duration is 45 minutes (+15 free time), so in order to have them all during the same day, it will be over one day. Of course, you can talk with some of the authors requesting them to shorten the talks and fit them all together (and check with videoteam to see what is agreeable to their schedule). I noticed this. I just wanted to contradict your statement that we have only one event in the Blends topic. My suggestion would be to fill up the day according to the rating of the events and move the remaining BOFs to a *later* day. While there is a chance that What about a Debian Physics Blend? (715) Bringing together Debian GIS and OSM (742) might be merged not regarding the topic but the idea of strengthening a specific field which is quite good covered in Debian with packages *and* developers, it can perfectly be that every single event will turn in a long and productive discussion (as I experienced in the past). In addition I'm not sure how to attract both target groups under one common topic. But in principle I would like to see these both events as belonging to a similar sub-topic which might make sense to move to the next day after the Blends track (just a suggestion). Anyway, I just tagged them all, we can discuss at the meeting what needs to be done. Yes. BTW, I'm quite happy you pushed the scheduling task that far. Please keep us informed who we can take over parts of the work effectively. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Talks and scheduling update
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:13:09PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Agreed. Now, if getting pre-scheduled is the only benefit of having a talks selection team, we could think about dropping the team and just scheduling everything. After all, a relatively large group of us rated the talks and selected the top among them — Shouldn't that be rewarded somehow? At some point in time (IMHO when DC 9 was running) there was a suggestion to publish the rating numbers in some way. I'd be in favour of this (but I'm not so terribly keen on it that I would volunteer to implement it :-)). Do we have explcitly-designated coordinators for these other tracks? If so, do they know that they're track coordinators? have they been given the privileges to mark events as belonging to their track, or at least a way for them to report and give feeback/suggestions? Well, this should be obvious by now — Andreas Tille and Rhonda, respectively. I'd volunteer for the Blends track. I do not know if this has some technical implications in Penta. Don't miss Thursday's meeting! :) Please publish (again) the exact date / time for people like me who have obviosely missed any previous announcement. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Is arriving Friday 22nd ok?
Hi, I have not read this longish thread to the end, but isn't arriving at 22.7. perfectly simple by just filling out a work plan for DebCamp and just do something reasonable? I plan my trip to arrive on 21.7. and have two days of DebCamp - so what are you actually talking about? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Planning arrival/departure buses
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 01:42:53PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: (Personally I'm not sure how much babysitting we should provide. If the average DD cannot reach the venue without our help, we have done a mistake.) I think the discussion was not about the average DD is able to reach the venue but rather whether how to make a reasonable plan for the trip (see questtion of Ian whether better to go to Zagreb or some other place closer to Banja Luka). If there is a decision: No shuttle at all because it is too difficult to arrange that would be a perfectly solid fact to plan your own trip. But if there are shuttles it makes sense to include them in the plan and thus we need some facts (soonish). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] registration@ and talks@ aliases
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:11:51AM -0400, Richard Darst wrote: talks@ - gwolf will hold down this alias for now, until the rest of the team is added. (has this replaced the old committee@ alias?) Gunnar Wolf (anyone else want to be on this now? There are more people listed on the team, but I'm not sure who is active) I wonder why we were asked to add our names to [1] and then were asked at least twice who should be added to the alias. Isn't it simpler to assume that everybody on the Wiki is a member of the team and will be added using opt out if somebody did not updated his record? Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Teams#Talks -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Talk submission: Difference between Submission notes / Abstract / Description
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 05:51:18PM -0400, Richard Darst wrote: Now I'm not so sure if this is correct, but let me know what you want to do and I can update instructions. As I said in my last mail: Something like: s/Abstract/Short Abstract (for use in schedule)/ s/Description/Full Abstract (for talk team evaluation and proceedings)/ or even better / more precise wording. It might be that I have just seen the Submission notes because I'm member of several teams which just see this. So if this is not displayed for everybody, I'm fine with it. However, it could also be expressed by: s/Submission notes/ for organising teams/ or something like this. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Talk submission: Difference between Submission notes / Abstract / Description
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 01:02:39PM -0300, Tássia Camões wrote: Some notes after browsing penta... 2011/4/15 Tássia Camões tas...@gmail.com: Event title Short description (one sentence long, for schedule and report) I'd suggest adding 'one-sentence description', for printing purposes, just after 'sub-title'. I like your suggestions much more than my quick shot. Thanks Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Talk submission: Difference between Submission notes / Abstract / Description
Hi, as every year the event submission form contains three sections: Submission notes / Abstract / Description I always wonder what the difference might be. For me the field Abstract is clear. It should be mandatory. There might be some use for Submission notes which can be filled with notes to clarify the abstract or some other stuff but I usually leave it out. I never made any sense out of this Description field. So *if* it has any sense it definitely needs some footnote or some explanation somewhere else. Otherwise it should be removed (if it is not yet to late because people filled in some content). The confusion about this field makes it harder for the people who decide about the events later on. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Using pentabarf for minidebconfindia
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 01:28:35PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: There is no Debian standard, there is just one application used for the Debian conference. It is not, by far, a simple application to set up. And it is quite diverging from upstream. Perhaps I'm completely missing the point and I learned in the past to trust Gunnar's words. However, if you consider a MiniDebconf as a Debconf with just a shorter time frame and less people, why could those conferences not hosted on the very same Penta installation as we use for the big DebConf. There might be an overlap of participiants which is nice for these to insert their data only once and formalising to this DebConf Standard also for MiniDebConfs might be an advantage. I'm sorry if this is a quite naive remark of a Penta illiterate person and I could be silenced by a simple: You are stupid this will not work that way. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Global team meeting, Tuesday March 29, 20:00 UTC
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:57:20AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Although I agree we need a CfP ASAP, I think it's self-defeating to have a CfP out before registration is working. Yes. People will start scratching their heads... So, I know registration is _almost_ there, but not quite yet. Definitely. I have not checked the archives but from my feeling we are quite late this year. Any reason? (Please do not waste time in a large discussion for the reasons if you can just make it happen in the same time.) It should be done _soon_. But until then, I'd much rather ask you to hold CfP - After all, we don't have to capture audience. Debian people knows we have a DebConf cooking, and will probably start brushing up their ideas even if we didn't have a CfP at all. ACK. IMHO, a CfP can be derived quite simply from last years CfP (or did I missed something? Kind regards Andreas. PS: Sorry for not attending IRC meeting, I've catched a cold and rather prefered to got to bed yesterday ... -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Meeting notes, Tuesday 8 February 2011
On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 11:29:36PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: First, on anonymizing the requesters: I am _against_ it. It might seem I want sponsorship to favor the group of people we meet regularly - But no, I want to favor people we know and acknowledge have worked most and are most valuable to the project, or to the conference specifically. That cannot be done if we anonymize anything. We cannot vote on people just by seeing Person A requests EUR1000, total ticket costs EUR1200, and he says he's doing a great job. We have to get some more insight - And being us a relatively small group, that will defeat the anonymous status. Please tell me, if you were to find a person flying in from Mexico saying he plans on catching up with pending keyring requests, how anonymous would that be? I fully agree. When voting last year I prefered DDs/DMs over others and prefered active DebConf supporter over others - so DDs/DMs who were active in helping with DebConf had the best chance. To decide about an annonymous decision I would need more information what the person just has done for Debian / DebConf. This has two consequences: 1. It decreases chances of people who are quite short in mentioning what they have done (in several cases you know what named people have done immediately). We all know that people are frequently either shy or lazy in expressing themself in those webforms ... 2. It makes the principle of annonymousity useless if people write a lot what they have done - you will recognise the person behind it in several cases. So IMHO this is at best a useless attempt if not contraproductive. Second, on anonimyzing the committee (the herb@ members): Not showing who casted each opinion in Penta is near to trivial (heck, even a small CSS trick would do), although it does not gain us much. If people feel seeing other committee members' opinion (either in general or in particular for a given member) distorts the opinion casted by following members, we can hide it - Still, given this project is based on trust and on clustering people working closely together, I prefer (as previous years' herb@ member) knowing who said what - I give more weight to the opinion, positive or negative, of people who have worked together with somebody than just my gut feeling. And part of the reason for having a largish team in herb@ is to shield from the unavoidable mistakes that stem from just being unable to know everybody. I find it important to read who had what opinion when rating. Yes, that influences my own opinion - But I don't feel it to be negative. I fully agree as well. Anonymyzing is IMHO in contrast to our openness and the non-anonymous writer tends to choose his wording more picky which is an additional plus to what Gunnar said (and I fully subscribe all other words of my brother in mind ;-)). Maybe in any case I'd prefer if we hid the identities by default, but still left a button in the Penta interface to reveal them. While this might be an interesting thing I guess I would push the button in each case. So that's perhaps additional coding work for not much use. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Meeting notes, Tuesday 8 February 2011
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 05:07:25PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: OTOH, on a complex project, I know about the level of involvement some people have on some topics. I don't know about many others. And yes, I do let other voters' votes influence mine. Yeah, but you never know if other's know about that person better than you. I'm not really convinced about the I can not see other raters opinion option but I could live with this. However, your pro argument is definitely wrong. Strictly logical speaking if you say never one counter example is sufficient to prove you wrong: I personally know that Zack is involved in Ocaml team and I have no idea at all who does a good job there or not. The person I should vote on claims to be a member of Ocaml team. So I would definitely look at Zacks opinion about this person and I think this is a reasonable (but not necessary step to do). So there are cases where I know that other persons will know better than me and there are lots of cases where I even have the competence to decide who knows the person better than me (for instance I would not look so deeply at your (Ana) vote than on the vote of Zack - it would be different if the applicant would claim to be a KDE packager). Probably we should rather make explicit that if you don't feel confident about rating somebody, you should refrain from voting (for or against). Then, a vote of 0 would mean nobody knows this person, a negative vote would mean he is mostly a liability, and we would just sponsor the positive levels. Yup. If there is an explicite way to say neutral - no vote at all I'm fine with this. But this should be distinct from vote 0 (which could exactly mean 0 and nothing else). On a related note, maybe the travel sponsorship commitee wants to start already working at the best method for ranking this years before they get the list of candidates? Yes. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Join the DebConf team
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 03:17:00PM -0300, Luciano Bello wrote: On Friday 21 January 2011, Andreas Tille wrote: This year I will ask myself for sponsorship and thus I hesitate to join a team to handle an issue where I'm partly biased. same here. IMHO, it would be better if the comments and assessment evaluation would be anonymous. Is this possible? I do not think that anonymousity would solve any problem. I'm a big fan of standing to my own words and not hiding it behind a secret about my identity. So I'll surely will not vote on my own application and otherwise I'm just me. IMHO annonymous votes just lead to unqualified remarks and the effort to change Penta is thus not well spent. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Definition of talk topic groups / sections / categories?
Hi, in the IRC meeting the following question was raised (by me): Last year we had some topics for talks: Do we want to define those before registration (and will Penta support this categorisation) or should we just wait what gets submitted and find the sections afterwards? Looking foreward to meet you all at DebConf11 Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Join the DebConf team
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:50:58PM -0600, Richard Darst wrote: * Talks/scheduling team - select talks, organize tracks and related events - leaders and committee members who rate people. I worked in talks and scheduling team some years ago and I'm willing to do it for DebConf 11 as well. One minor restriction regarding scheduling team: I strongly consider leaving the scheduling team at the day when DebConf really starts. My experience from past years has shown that it consumes a lot time to schedule late comers and always creates a lot of noise. This year I have a decent work plan which does not allow spending so much time on this issue. * Travel sponsorship - review requests for travel sponsorship and allocate this money - leaders and committee members who research applicants I was working in travel sponsorship team last year because I was not asking for sponsorship myself (because I was not coming). This year I will ask myself for sponsorship and thus I hesitate to join a team to handle an issue where I'm partly biased. If there is *really*, *really* help needed I might consider joining as well but with mixed feelings. On 25th January 2011, at 20:00 UTC, we will have a meeting on #debconf-team (OFTC) to plan out our teams for DebConf11. We invite you to attend this meeting to get added to learn about the teams, and hopefully join where you would like. I hope that I'll be there. Thanks for working that hard for DebConf Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] Inviting certain people, Mitnick
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:50:23PM -0500, Pablo Duboue wrote: and I'd also love to hear more about the healthcare topic and Debian). Having a talk about Debian Med is on my agenda. If you want me to stress certain specific issues just tell me in PM. Kind regards Andreas. PS: Pablo, if you are interested in healtcare why not subscribing debian-...@lists.debian.org? -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebianGIS - Mapping of Debian on #Planet #Earth. #People, #Developers, #Computers, #News, #Events, etc. http://gis.debianart.org
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 02:27:09PM -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: Hi All, DebianGIS experimental project to Mapping of Debian on Planet Earth. People, Developers, Computers, News, Events, etc. Screenshot DebConfs and Developers - http://gis.debianart.org/shot.png submit you report: http://gis.debianart.org That's *really* cool!!! (even cooler that the life site is using OSM, the screenshot just shows Google). Thanks for this service Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] A beautiful page to watch Debconf10
On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 09:51:45PM -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: http://debianart.org/live/ The page is realy nice, but the video window should be enlarged a bit. I do not speak about the size of the video itself (which is small as well and could be enhanced) but I see scrollbars to navigate to the room selection button, which should be avoided. Browser: Iceweasel from testing. Thanks for the nice page Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] RFH: scheduling DebConf10
On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 10:32:41AM +1200, Andrew McMillan wrote: We've promised a schedule by June 15th, 10 days away. Advice from anyone who has done this before would be awesome. Didn't I gave advise last week or the week before last week to this list and CCing Vanessa who did the job together with me the last two years?? As an alternative though, I can provide accounts on a caldav server. We can then create a calendar for each room, and events for each accepted talk, and move them around in much the same manner using a CalDAV client such as Evolution, Lightning or Sunbird. We can very likely create the inital events from an export of data in Penta. This sounds more reasonable than the method we used (and I suggested in my previous mail) to use Google calendars. While I'm not really paranoid about Google it might have extra advantages to have the data accessible on your own server rather than Google calendar. Once we're happy I can export the data to SQL to be loaded into Penta, and we also have a set of .ics files for the conference. If Penta has this option this would be really helpful. Update to my mail where I said that I will have no time this year: There might be a slight chance that I could do some work from 13.6. on - but no guarantee. Good luck in the scheduling business Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team followup: scheduling and plenaries
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:38:20AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2010, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Is anyone interested in acting as Scheduler? Does anyone with experience from scheduling past debconfs have advice to offer? do not schedule anything without giving at least 24h warning in advance. never. (and to repeat: I'm not only saying this because of video...) (And if I really need to explain why again, I guess I will do so.) Hint: As a scheduler in two previous DebConfs I like to stress this point of Holger especially because I'm guilty for violating this rule. It should be clear to the person who is doing this job that it will be under pressure of contradicting opinions when doing the schedule: On one hand there is the Holger's rule above and on the other hand there will be people who want to drop in last minute. You have to be strong to refuse their request. To the question: Originally I intended to help in the *Pre*-DebConf scheduling, but if I'm serios I'm currently to busy to do so and thus I will not claim to help and see me failing in doing so later. I CCed Vanessa who was in the schedulers team the last tow years. I guess Ana and Gunnar are reading this list and will rise their voice themselves (or not). One thing which turned out quite practical in the last years was to use GMail calendar as a shared piece of paper for scratch scheduling. I think I registered a GMail account for those who do not have one for this purpose. If nobody remembers acocunt name and password and you want to use this method, just ask me and I will seek my old mails about this. Once you are settled with the GMail calendars (each calendar for one room) just move the things to Penta. Good luck Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] talks team questions
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:31:56PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: I'm hoping to give a reportback from the talks team later this weekend, as i offered in the meeting today. I also want to reiterate a call for help if anyone else wants to review talks. If you can even review a dozen talks, please reply here and we'll try to get you reviewer privs. I did this for the last two DebConfs and can do it this year as well. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Enterprise track comments
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 03:26:43PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Hi. I was asked to look into coordinating an enterprise track. Here's what I've done so far. Nice to hera that there is such a track. It's a shame that I'm not in New York but I would like to ask you as organiser of this track to possibly give a hint that there is some dedicated mailing list about debian-enterprise[1]. I would really love to see more activity on this list and forming a real Debian Enterprise team perhaps using the Blends framework[2]. Could you please do me a favour and express this somehow when holding the track? Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-enterprise [2] http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] RFH: DebConf 10 Travel Sponsorship Team
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:08:41AM +0700, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Michael Schultheiss (schul...@debconf.org): In the spirit of openness, the DebConf 10 Organizers are soliciting volunteers for the DebConf 10 Travel Sponsorship team. Please count me in. If there is any need for further members of this team I'd volunteer to do my part for this years DebConf. Because I will not take part personally I'd count myself unbiased. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Tracks --- New Proposition
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 06:25:15PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: I'm impressed by and happy about your preparations to get awesome talks^wevents at DebConf10! IMO your work is a great improvement compared to previous events! +1 Andreas -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Talk selection: session chairs
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:29:42AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Richard Darst dijo [Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 06:25:05PM -0500]: ... I like the ideas brought up by Richard and Gunnar and would like to give some comments form a past member of talk selection / scheduler team. When preparing the schedule I always tried to group talks according to topics to enable people who are interested in a specific topic to stay in one session room for a certain time and find some continuos time for coding if they are not interested in a certain topic. This worked somehow but it would probably better if some topics would be defined beforehand and people would be able to assign an event application to a certain topic. I doubt that this would work for DebConf - but I would like to rise this problem: *If* we want to build topic related sessions it is hard to put all the different events into similarly shaped (according to the number of talks) sessions we probably need to define some topics before the application process starts. The second thought I want to bring in is the (un)famous official / inoffical talk concept. Last year I officially annouonced that I'm not volunteering for the scheduler job if this completely confusing concept is not dropped (you might like to search the debconf mailing list archives for some alternative ideas we discussed - I'm currently to busy to do so, sorry). This concept just sucks and is just confusing. But if we end up with some kind of rating of the events (whatever it might be) I would like to mention in regard to the session-idea: My principle of putting somehow related talks in the two categories we had was to have one session (day or half a day) with the official talks of one topic and have another session with the inofficial talks to make sure all people who are interested are able to attend both. Kind regards Andreas. PS: Currently I'm not sure whether I will attend DebConf and from todays perspective I think probably not. I'd volunteer to work in the talk selection committee and I might help out with scheduling. I will definitely not be available for any scheduling task if I will be not physically at DebConf. I learned that this task costs to much time I'm unable to spend in working hours. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Help for DebConf10?
Hi, just forewarding to whom it might be interested. Thanks for your offer Andreas. On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:44:55PM -0700, James Dishongh wrote: Hello, I'm writing because I saw DebConf9 referenced on Slashdot, and then when I started looking around the DebConf9 site I came across your photos.. then saw that you had been to Valencia (I was just there a month ago) and thought I might contact you regarding your network services at DebConf. Does DebConf use a team of volunteers provided by the host(s) or sponsors, or do DebConf members setup the network for your meetings? I ask because the company I work for does precisely that -- we set up wireless (and wired) networks for technical conventions and meetings and would be interested in assisting DebConf if it would be a good fit for your group. I know this is essentially a 'cold' call, so please forgive me if you feel I have overstepped my bounds. We currently provide wireless network services for IEEE, IETF, OIF, and Broadband Forum conferences among others. You may even have members who belong to a group we serve. If you are interested in learning more about our network services please feel free to visit our website and/or contact me. Additionally, feel free to browse through my own gallery: http://picasaweb.google.com/james.dishongh since I share the same 'hobby' of traveling for work and then escaping to get some daylight photos of the local venue. (I also thought it only fair to share my gallery since you're access is a bit more public.) Nice photos! Safe travels, and I hope to hear from you soon, Best regards, James Dishongh Network Engineer VeriLAN Event Services, Inc. 215 SE Morrison Street Suite 7000 Portland, OR 97214 503.907.1421 jdisho...@verilan.com www.verilan.com P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This e-mail contains proprietary information and may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, please delete it immediately. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Speaker interface and scheduler interface display different times
Hi, I was told that the scheduled time a speaker sees in his interface is 3 hours earlier than the time the schedule team can see. The public schedule table is consistent with the schedulers view but speakers are just confused by seeing the wrong time. I have the slight suspiction that this issue might be caused by resetting the starting time or whatever it is internally called at a quite late point in time. IMHO it is not a good idea to use a Penta internal time scale which is different from local time - but that's probably a very deep internal Penta thingy which might be hard to change. Kind regards and thanks for maintaining Penta for DebConf Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visit to the Old Town of Cáceres
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 09:29:23PM +, César Gómez Martín wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Holger Levsenhol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, On Sonntag, 19. Juli 2009, César Gómez Martín wrote: Further details will be given hopefully on Monday. It will also happen on Monday, IIRC, right?! It was planned for Monday, but I don't know if it will be possible. I will talk tomorrow with the guy of the council and I will send more info. I'm just browsing quickly through my mails and might have missed some pieces of information but just in case: For all this kind of events please register a Penta event to enable us scheduling this properly. Otherwise I'm afraid several interested people might miss it. (and no, I'm not prepared to do the scheduling stuff until 24.7. morning) See you all Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Problem scheduling early events [Was: How to open an RT ticket]
Hi again folks, I told you that I can not open an RT ticket and I wonder what the sense of a request tracker which can not effectively used might be ... but anyway - I just want to repeat the noise I made that we currently have no chance to put events before 9:00 on the schedule. This turned out to be a problem last year. So if you feel any need for this kind of events - please do something about this issue - I will most probably have no chance any more because I'm going on VAC now until I enter DebCamp (22.7. at night). I will have some access from time to time - but please do not relay on my support as schedule team member for this time. From my point of view the nasty Penta bug^Wfeature to start a day at 9:00 is the most burning issue in this schedule team work which is not solved. Below I repeat the problem I explained in my last mail about this issue for those who might have overlooked it. See you at DebConf Andreas. On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 06:09:31PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: ... if we do not want to tap into the same pitfall as last year where we were not able to schedule any event before 9:00. I was told that it is a bug^Wfeature of Penta that the day starts with the first scheduled event and thus I wanted to schedule a dummy event (486) at 4:00 to enable us to schedule early morning activity. This seems not to be possible any more now. I just made some noise in the schedule group + Jörg in CC but no action until now. While I'm unable to open an RT ticket for the moment and will be offline in a few days I hereby ask for help to find a way to convince / hug / whatever our kind admins to enable us to schedule early morning events. See you at DebConf Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Problem scheduling early events [Was: How to open an RT ticket]
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 03:08:03PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, to summarize: - someone please make it possible to schedule events before 9am, like 7am. s/7am/4am/ if you ask me - it's no harm done if we do not use the time slots before 7am, but in case somebody wants to ... - Andreas is on VAC til July 22nd, so someone else needs to finish the s/22nd/23nd/ ... I'll arrive at 22nd at 23:30, so ... schedule if we want the schedule to be ready before DebConf starts (which I think we must) - some please reset Andreas RT password. I don't have the rights to do that. Thanks for the summary Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Problem scheduling early events [Was: How to open an RT ticket]
2009/7/5 Joerg Jaspert jo...@debconf.org: *EVERYONE* in the world can open rt tickets. Its as simple as sending mail. Please give a pointer to the docs or the address which I have to send the mail to. rt.debconf.org asks for login which fails for me. If this page would contain the information where to send a mail this would be really helpful. I still see *no* good thing in events at 4am. The one single we go out running can surely be done otherwise. Please specify how you would exactly do this otherwise. Last year we decided to schedule events like this normaly and I see no reason to do otherwise because it is just practical. Anyway, conference days now start at 03:00. And now schedule team can have fun correcting the whole schedule or attendees looking at it will scream out in horror at those times. :) Thanks for this. Could we agree for next year to set this *from* *the* *beginning*. I pointed this out last year and also in the preparation of this years scheduling at April 2nd[1]. I *try* to start with moving the events *after* I packet for my trip if time permits. Tackling things like this early helps splitting the amount of work onto more shoulders (or avoids hassle like this at all). Well, and at least *I* insist that it is a bug in Penta not to use local time as the basis for the time of an event but an *artificial Penta time*. Thanks for fixing this anyway Andreas. [1] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20090402.075605.a46a2ceb.en.html -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
