Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
@erland, @pippin, @mherger, Any chance you can collaborate on adding Deezer HiFi functionality the LMS Deezer app? In the current state Ickstream has support for HiFi but some of the functionality available in LMS app is not available on Ickstream, while the one major thing that is missing from the LMS app is the HiFi support. Thank You shadowlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66327 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Great and thanks for the response. Also with ickStream and Deezer, why do none of thier preset radio stations play? Via mysqueezebox.com, they play fine. They actually show up and you can browse them, but then when selecting one, nothing plays. Thanks. LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B&W CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
dhallag wrote: > Yes ok but using Deezer via MySqueezebox.com, I don't have this limit. > It pulls back what appears to be everything -- I've been comparing > Deezer.com, versus Mysqueezebox Deezer vs. IckStream Deezer. Also, no > idea how to fix this? > > Plugins::IckStreamPlugin::PlayerService::__ANON__ (1495) Error when > sending playerStatusChanged for Main Floor > > Thanks... darien While this error shouldnt happen it is related to the ickStream player implementation, through ickStream's own ickp2p protocol which works independently of the Squeezebox architecture - https://github.com/ickStream/ickstream-squeezebox-player - it would allow to integrate some of the additional features available to the ickstream players, but it is currently not used by the ickStream lms plugin, so you can ignore it. We are looking into stripping out some of the ickStream protocol code out of the ickStream lms plugin to simplify development and updates, and to avoid to have to debug these kind of errors. Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
pippin wrote: > There are limits to how many items streaming services let you retrieve > per request Yes ok but using Deezer via MySqueezebox.com, I don't have this limit. It pulls back what appears to be everything -- I've been comparing Deezer.com, versus Mysqueezebox Deezer vs. IckStream Deezer. Also, no idea how to fix this? Plugins::IckStreamPlugin::PlayerService::__ANON__ (1495) Error when sending playerStatusChanged for Main Floor Thanks... darien LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B&W CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
hey and one more issue I am having... so with Deezer under search, it is only pulling a maximum of 20 results. anyone else seeing this as well? LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B&W CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
hey guys. any help with these errors would be greatly appreciated: Plugins::IckStreamPlugin::PlayerService::__ANON__ (1495) Error when sending playerStatusChanged for Main Floor this error is on my log about every 5 minutes. although everything seems to be working fine. any ideas? thanks... darien LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B&W CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hm, Ill have a look. We recently had issues with a hanging backend server but that was a few days ago and should be fixed by now --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
zordaz wrote: > During the migration to the Spotty plugin, I took the opportunity to do > some housekeeping on all the installed plugins on my LMS instance. > I stumbled upon Ickstream, but as far as I can see the last activity > around Ickstream was more than two years ago. > Their official website is still available, but I assume the project is > defacto discontinued? Any more info on that? There has been activity as recently as this month. Not a lot, but some. And there is an occasional post on their open beta forum. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
During the migration to the Spotty plugin, I took the opportunity to do some housekeeping on all the installed plugins on my LMS instance. I stumbled upon Ickstream, but as far as I can see the last activity around Ickstream was more than two years ago. Their official website is still available, but I assume the project is defacto discontinued? Any more info on that? *Living Room:* HifiBerry DAC+ Pro & piCorePlayer *Attic:* HifiBerry DAC+ RCA & piCorePlayer *Kitchen:* SB Radio *Other rooms:* 5x SB Radio zordaz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
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Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Was wondering if my Squeezeboxes has future when I came across IckStream, then Tidal. What a wonderful surprise! Sitting here listening to Tidal via IckStream. The dog's bollix!! Many thanks guys. I'd love to be able to help however I've difficulty programming my central heating. mcgeas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Qnap would probably be the arm5 version --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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i should install ickstream on 7.9 (qnap ts-269) which repositary should i install? Touchx3,Boomx2,1 radio, 1 classic!Squeezebox Server 7.7.2 (Qnap ts-119) nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
mvordeme wrote: > It isn't entirely impossible to modify the players' firmware to make > them connect to a different service. But that was more a strategical > thought, anyway. In case Logitech want to discontinue mysb, they'd > probably be happy to give away the domain. > The problem is not the domain as such. It's the protocol. Old Squeezebox models only speak SlimProto which is a totally non-scaleable, stateful, bi-directional protocol requiring a permanent streaming connection. It's totally fine in a local setup with just a few players because it's very responsive but running it as an internet service is not exactly ideal. This is probably also the reason for the occasional outages MySB has been seeing in the past and it requires an expensive infrastructure. > > What about the option to integrate ickStream into MySB, then, > technically? > No big problem. MySB is essentially LMS so it should be possible to integrate our plugin. Would not work for all services, though. Don't expect Spotify to work on a Transporter that way, for example. Plus: Logitech would have to do that. > > Doesn't the Touch come with a built-in LMS? Can it be used to make > ickStream available to my "old" players? Should work, we haven't tested the ARM builds of the plugin on the Touch but currently I don't really see a reason why it should break. Since the Touch doesn't have a plugin installer you'd have to install it manually through SSH, though. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
It isn't entirely impossible to modify the players' firmware to make them connect to a different service. But that was more a strategical thought, anyway. In case Logitech want to discontinue mysb, they'd probably be happy to give away the domain. What about the option to integrate ickStream into mysb, then, technically? I am aware that I may have to buy and operate my own mysb replacement (and talk Mr. Harris into enhancing SvrPowerControl to make it switch players between LMS instances instead of back to mysb) at some future point in time, but I want to avoid having to look after yet another piece of technology requiring updates, fixes, re-boots, ... for as long as possible. Doesn't the Touch come with a built-in LMS? Can it be used to make ickStream available to my "old" players? scaleo home server 2105 | logitech media server 7.8.1 - 1415795164 | server power control 20120427.163654 | transporter & duet & boom & radio | rotel rc-995 & rmb-100 | phonar p-5 mvordeme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
The ickStream protocol and backend itself allows making of players and controllers which only use the backend and no local server. Actually it's pretty much designed for that and we have customers using it this way. This can potentially work with Touch and Radio, too, since you can install Software on these devices. For the older Squeezeboxes, including your Transporter, that's not an option, though. They have very little memory and a proprietary firmware that also needs a special development environment to develop for them at all. They are hard-coded to work with MySB and you can't switch them to something else (as backend, you can of course switch them to an instance of LMS). One option would be to run LMS on a cloud server for your Transporter but that would not really save a lot compared to the local machine. A server in a server farm, even a virtual machine, costs at least as much and eats at least as many resources as a raspberry pi or something like that which would make for a perfect LMS, too. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I am aware that this thread is rather old, but it is the best match I could find. I apologize if things I am going to write have been discussed before, but I have been reading a lot already, and I don't feel like reading another 31 pages right now. I like the idea of having an intermediate service in order to create synergies and make streaming music from multiple sources easier for everyone. Unfortunately, the implementation comes at a time when Logitech have almost stopped to develop their platform. The reason why I am following the development of ickStream is that WiMP keep pushing me towards TIDAL. Right now, this is not much of an option for me. I am in a situation where I can stream the entire WiMP music catalog without having to power up my LMS. If I had to run the machine all day, the energy costs would almost sum up to the equivalent of my WiMP subscription. This is why I am not so happy about the fact that ickStream requires me to run an LMS. I know that there are plans for an app that runs in the Touch or Radio, but Radio is not much more than an alarm clock, and I have no plans of buying a Touch any time soon. My main player is a Transporter, and considering the focus of ickStream on lossless sources, it is a perfect match. The question is how the two could be married. I don't know much about mysb development, but I would think that if a company wants to stop developing plug-ins for new music sources and save maintenance costs, it would make absolute sense to integrate an ickStream plug-in and leave any future developments to you guys. Any problems which still exist in existing proprietary plug-ins would no longer be of concern. The only plug-in still requiring maintenance would be the new one. And if software development in the past has not gone entirely crooked ways, the existing LMS plug-in should be a good starting point for a mysb plug-in. Alternatively, ickStream could provide your own mysb service, presumably with no plug-ins but the ickStream plug-in. Maybe in anticipation of mysb being terminated at some point in the future, this isn't such an entirely absurd idea. I don't know whether any of my ideas make sense commercially, but from an environmental point of view, it would be an advantage to run one central service instead of hundreds of LMSs running in individual households. Just my two cents. scaleo home server 2105 | logitech media server 7.8.1 - 1415795164 | server power control 20120427.163654 | transporter & duet & boom & radio | rotel rc-995 & rmb-100 | phonar p-5 mvordeme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
The ickStream open-beta release is now available on the Squeezebox: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102497-Pre-announcement-ickStream-open-beta-release-on-Squeezebox-! Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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For me, this service would need to be less ambitious than the Logitech one. When I started with the Squeezebox Touch, I used mysqueezebox.com a fair bit as I used a music database on my PC and that wasn't always switched on. Now, I'm using a Squeezeplug, the database is always on so all I'm now concerned about is being able to get new players or servers on to the network. I noted that when I installed LMS on the Squeezeplug, it asked me for a Logitech/Squeezebox user ID and password, so the system seems to need outside participation for me to add hardware, even if this is homemade kit. HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
local.bin wrote:
> Will ickStream be a chargeable service on top of any music service
> charges?
>
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStream-Music-Platform&p=795095#post795095
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Will ickStream be a chargeable service on top of any music service charges? local.bin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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What news exactly? Did I miss something? CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Perfect news made my day!!:p Squeeze134685's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63500 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
JackOfAll wrote:
> Why's that? Atom at the end of, rather than beginning of the stream?
>
I think that's part of the problem but I really don't know the streaming
algorithm used by LMS/Squeezebox in detail to say for sure.
CommanderROR wrote:
> Ok. I do get AAC just fine for radio channels like Kwax...
> So, where exactly is the problem with Wimp streams?
>
I don't know the details of the streaming code but the following thread
contains the debug information:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100240-Unable-to-stream-a-url-any-ideas
After discussing with Michael I understood that Logitech also struggled
with this and decided that AAC wasn't suitable for streaming and they
also had specific problems with the WiMP format as I understood it.
We are happy to switch to support AAC if someone who understands the
LMS/Squeezebox streaming code can make it work with the AAC streams
provided by WiMP, but we don't have the time and resources to
investigate this in more detail right now ourselves. The situation could
of course be different in the future. The WiMP AAC streams works with
VLC and similar software, so at least parts of the problems are related
to LMS and Squeezebox streaming code.
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Ok. I do get AAC just fine for radio channels like Kwax... So, where exactly is the problem with Wimp streams? CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > Unfortunately the WiMP AAC streams isn't compatible with the LMS > streaming code. Why's that? Atom at the end of, rather than beginning of the stream? JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote:
> Another question:
> I assume you'll have a new Wimp Plugin, right? Would that allow AAC
> Playback on the Premium subscription? Currently we only get 256k mp3 or
> FLAC...
>
Unfortunately the WiMP AAC streams isn't compatible with the LMS
streaming code os it currently works the same as the standard WiMP
plugin so you will get MP3 or FLAC format.
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Another question: I assume you'll have a new Wimp Plugin, right? Would that allow AAC Playback on the Premium subscription? Currently we only get 256k mp3 or FLAC... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I don't know that develop, i want test your product for give me a idea :) Else, i'm signup on your website for to be developer Good day Tim_LHUILLIER's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63474 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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We're not targeting this primarily at a DIY crowd or Squeezebox users. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@pippin I'm not adverse to paying for a service, it's just a matter of what I pay for. If I use Deezer, then I pay for Deezer. If somebody creates a plugin for the Squeezebox/LMS then I'd gladly pay for that as well. Same goes for other services. I'm just not sure that creating a new platform service is going to be viable, let alone profitable. Sonos and similar companies sell Hardware, and they have their specific apps and plugins for that hardware. Your service is more interesting for the DIY crowd I think, which is great, but for a Service that has running costs (Server, Developers, License fees etc.) you'd need a large userbase and regular cash-flow which might be hard to achieve without dedicated Hardware Players/Servers that can be found on Amazon/MediaMarkt and so on. But I hope it will work out for you (and in extension all of us here) because it will help keep the great LMS system alive. And with Squeezelite and Raspberry Pi + Hifiberry DAC/Digi/Amp this system is actually a lot better-sounding than any Sonos I've ever tried, if a bit harder to set up... ;) CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > Ok... > So, does this come down to replacing the free Mysqueezebox.com with a > paid (or even subscription) ickstream? > I'm mostly after Streaming services like Deezer, Play Music and Wimp, I > can always add radio stations manually... For now it will be free for Squeezebox users. We currently have no model to charge users for the use of the platform but for other hardware that might change in a few years, depending on what the vendors of that hardware choose. We have no plans to charge for Squeezeboxes, if we ever want to include services for which _we_ have to pay this will obviously not hold - for now these services are simply not available for Squeezebox users. In the end, always remember: everybody whose business model is to permanently give you something for free will sell you instead in the end in the form of data or advertising, there is no free lunch. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ok... So, does this come down to replacing the free Mysqueezebox.com with a paid (or even subscription) ickstream? I'm mostly after Streaming services like Deezer, Play Music and Wimp, I can always add radio stations manually... CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: > > They are happy to handle help and APi keys to Sonos or Logitech or > whatnot but not "John Doe" the hobby developer . John Doe the hobby developer is one thing, general public in an open source module is even worse. There is another thing, and it's the primary cause why you haven't seen large-scale commercial projects using the Squeezebox platform so far: don't get fooled, some of the services supported by the server live by the mercy of Logitech having paid for them or licenses for them. TuneIn being a nice example. Everybody here seems to assume that just putting the radio code into LMS will save that feature forever. This might be true for hardware Squeezeboxes but it someone picked up on this and started selling new hardware in large volumes relying on LMS with TuneIn support you might quickly see some change. Integrating services based on a hacked API in an open source server is something that is nice and fine and tolerated as long as the overall exposure is low and it's primarily being used in DIY systems but with such solutions you will not see a striving platform in the long term but it will only be acceptable as a "OK, this is some legacy support for that old hardware" case. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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CommanderROR wrote: > @remd > > I'm trying to figure this out now... > > Is your ickstream system a replacement for Mysqueezebox.com? So, is it a > kind of online server that we'd have to subscribe to if we want to use > the new plugins? > Or are the Plugins real LMS plugins that run locally on our LMS Server > devices (like the Triode Spotify Plugin)? > > The reason I ask: > > Mysqueezebox.com lives at the mercy of Logitech. Ickstream would live at > the mercy of whoever is behind it, but LMS Plugins live forever, no > matter what. They might not get updated anymore and eventually might > lose compatibility with the corresponding service, but they would not > rely on a (cost intensive) server infrastructure like Mysqueezebox and a > Dev could always pick up the code and continue to work on them. > > So, where are you heading with this? The information found in your blog > and occasional posts leaves me with more questions than answers... ;) It can get a little bit more complicated . some service would not really like to have thier "secret handshake" running on open source software at the end users machines . So the secret part must in some cases run elsewhere . They actually want to deal with a commercial entity if its not their very own implementation . They are happy to handle help and APi keys to Sonos or Logitech or whatnot but not "John Doe" the hobby developer . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@remd I'm trying to figure this out now... Is your ickstream system a replacement for Mysqueezebox.com? So, is it a kind of online server that we'd have to subscribe to if we want to use the new plugins? Or are the Plugins real LMS plugins that run locally on our LMS Server devices (like the Triode Spotify Plugin)? The reason I ask: Mysqueezebox.com lives at the mercy of Logitech. Ickstream would live at the mercy of whoever is behind it, but LMS Plugins live forever, no matter what. They might not get updated anymore and eventually might lose compatibility with the corresponding service, but they would not rely on a (cost intensive) server infrastructure like Mysqueezebox and a Dev could always pick up the code and continue to work on them. So, where are you heading with this? The information found in your blog and occasional posts leaves me with more questions than answers... ;) CommanderROR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Tidal has released their Hi-Resolution Streaming service in the US and the UK. It is available for ickStream beta users and soon for all Squeezebox users: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102381-Tidal-Hi-Resolution-Streams-available-on-ickStream-soon-for-all-Squeezebox-users! The ickStream Team Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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remd wrote: > We have shared some more information about the type of hardware we have > been working with so far, besides the Squeezebox, in our latest > newsletter. > > You can check it out on our blog at https://blog.ickstream.com if you > haven't subscribed to our newsletter. Being (still) deep in the Squeezebox world, I am amazed by how it looks like you will be able to integrate systems like mine seemlessly into a much larger ecosystem of devices of all types. I can't wait to see more Mike mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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We have shared some more information about the type of hardware we have been working with so far, besides the Squeezebox, in our latest newsletter. You can check it out on our blog at https://blog.ickstream.com if you haven't subscribed to our newsletter. Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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When the Community Squeeze project recently ended due to the legal
problems we got some questions from users regarding the scope of
ickStream.
Due to this we want to share a bit more information about the current
status in the ickStream project.
First of all, we are very sorry to see that the Community Squeeze
project now officially has ended and we would like to thank Triode and
JohnSwenson for trying to find alternative ways to release the software
and hardware they have been working on during the Community Squeeze
project. Hopefully the current situation will just be a small bump on
the road and we are soon going to get the community based hardware
player we all want. From what we have seen so far there shouldn't be any
problem to use ickStream on a community based hardware player using the
Wandboard.
In the ickStream team we have been working on integrating more online
services with the ickStream Music Platform. As you might have seen from
our blog/newsletter we have also started to prioritise Squeezebox
support to secure a way for existing Squeezebox users to access online
streaming services. The beta testers invited to our private beta program
are currently in the process of testing the Squeezebox integration and
the ability to use ickStream from any type Squeezebox player with all
the traditional Squeezebox remote control apps.
On the hardware side we are still focusing on working with hardware
partners to provide hardware supporting ickStream natively. If this
doesn't work out, we will probably eventually design our own hardware,
but since we are still a small team and collaboration with partners
looks promising we want to prioritze our efforts and prefer to let
partners handle the hardware. It's also important to remember that one
of the goals with ickStream Music Platform is to provide an environment
where you in the same system can mix hardware from many different
hardware vendors.
Finally, we are also looking at possibilities to have an open beta
program where early adopters in the Squeezebox community can try some of
the ickStream provided online streaming services, but we can't promise
anything regarding this right now, we just wanted to let you know that
we are investigating it.
For more information about ickStream see our blog:
http://blog.ickstream.com
Or subscribe to our newsletter through our web page:
http://www.ickstream.com
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third
party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins'
(http://license.isaksson.info))
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We have shared some more information and screenshots of our implementation of ickStream for the Squeezebox and the Logitech Media Server (LMS) in a newsletter we sent out last Friday. You can check it out on our blog at https://blog.ickstream.com if you haven't subscribed to our newsletter. Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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remd wrote:
>
> ICKSTREAM SERVICES AVAILABLE ON LMS
> While developing the support for the older Squeezeboxes we have gone one
> step beyond and made ickStream available as a LMS app, allowing any
> Squeezebox to directly access ickStreams services and content.
> The app is currently available to beta testers and allows access to
> selected services from the ickStream platform.
> New content and services will be available as they are added to
> ickStream.
>
We got a question regarding this so just to clarify it a bit. What we
have done is to implement a LMS plugin which enables people to access
ickStream provided online services through a sub menu under "My Apps" in
your normal LMS/Squeezebox interface. The plugin is currently only
available to people invited to our beta program.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third
party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins'
(http://license.isaksson.info))
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music at your fingertips'
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We are glad to announce that both older and newer Squeezeboxes are now supported on the ickStream platform. OLD SQUEEZEBOX SUPPORT The support for older Squeezeboxes has been developed through a Logitech Media Server (LMS) plugin currently available to ickStream beta testers. This means that older Squeezeboxes can access the ickStream platform through LMS installed on any platform and newer Squeezeboxes can either use the same plugin or the applet allowing direct access to ickStream. ICKSTREAM SERVICES AVAILABLE ON LMS While developing the support for the older Squeezeboxes we have gone one step beyond and made ickStream available as a LMS app, allowing any Squeezebox to directly access ickStreams services and content. The app is currently available to beta testers and allows access to selected services from the ickStream platform. New content and services will be available as they are added to ickStream. We will share some more details about this in our upcoming newsletter. In the mean time make sure to fill in our beta tester survey if you want to be part of the ickStream beta testers: http://survey.ickstream.com/index.php/596295/lang-en We are currently particularly interested in beta testers for some of our services, so let us know if you are interested and you are using one of the following services: Deezer, Qobuz, WiMP, Soundcloud, rdio or Calmradio. Thanks for your interest and support! The ickStream Team Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > Excellent news regarding support of older SB devices. 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.6.2 (Debian 6.0) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson Just Covers by Tom Kalmijn WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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remd wrote: > We have sent out a newsletter yesterday and have some good news > regarding the support of older Squeezeboxes. > You can check it out on our blog at http://blog.ickstream.com if you > haven't subscribed to our newsletter. > > Be sure to fill in our survey if you haven't already done so and you are > interested in testing ickStream on older Squeezeboxes. > The survey is still available at: > http://survey.ickstream.com/index.php/596295/lang-en > > Thanks everyone for your interest in ickStream, we are looking forward > to invite more of you in our beta group and to release ickStream later > this year! Excellent news regarding support of older SB devices. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) > LMS 7.7.2 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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We have sent out a newsletter yesterday and have some good news regarding the support of older Squeezeboxes. You can check it out on our blog at http://blog.ickstream.com if you haven't subscribed to our newsletter. Be sure to fill in our survey if you haven't already done so and you are interested in testing ickStream on older Squeezeboxes. The survey is still available at: http://survey.ickstream.com/index.php/596295/lang-en Thanks everyone for your interest in ickStream, we are looking forward to invite more of you in our beta group and to release ickStream later this year! Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Regarding alternative ways of selecting and playing music, the user interface provided by MinimServer (via any UPnP controller) is by far the best I have found for a multi-platform UPnP/DLNA solution, and it is free. It's a very flexible and logical way to select items to play in any number of ways, with hierarchies that change depending on what you have selected thus far. Really rather neat. It can't do what ickStream will do (as far as I understand it, and I know it's not a server), but some of the design ideas may be of interest. The other non-LMS solution I've been pursuing is foobar2000 with foo_upnp. It runs well under Wine on linux, and if anything is even more flexible, but it can be a little too clever and complex at times. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch with EDO on Ethernet, coax out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu laptop controls server using Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen to LMS via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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We have sent out a newsletter today giving some insight on the music content available in ickStream and the progress we have made so far. We also mentioned some of the updates we made to the iOS app to adapt to iOS7. You can head to our blog at http://blog.ickstream.com if you want to check it out and haven't signed up for the newsletter. To Beta testers, we have released a new version of the iOS app earlier this week. It includes many changes under the hood as well as some services and feature ehancements. Check your mail and/or Testflight account to see the changelog and access the new build. Comments about the newsletter topics or the ickStream project in general are always welcome! Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hello there, looking forward to seeing where this leads to ! Since I'm mostly listening to local music, I understand I won't be the primary target, but that's not something "frozen". And, juste like others here, I'm concerned about what will happen when my SB harware comes to fail. So here are my needs and current use of my system : - 1 sb3 (still branded "slimdevices", hence my concern...) currently rigged to a set of not-so-bad speakers, and so turned in a kind of "boom", mainly use in kitchen or bathroom. - 1 computer running squeezeslave and moose for the UI, connected to my main living room amp I'd like to try and buy a couple of "touches" (or SB3) from ebay, to be able to install something permanent in kitchen and bathroom, and maybe to connect to main amp instead of computer But I could imagine moving to another system (Software/Hardware). Concerning my song selections (I was hesitating to post in Erland's poll about playlists, but it seems better to do it here) : I'm currently using MusicIP/Sugarcube, (thinking of trying out SmartMix too), Erland's Dynamic Playlists, TrackStat, and I also did some tests on setting up my own smart selection system, based on custom tagging (like "mood / "tempo" / "feeling" ...) and retrieved with CustomBrowse / selected with SQL Playlists. I also use a set (maybe 20) of static playlists (like "Cover songs", "Road Mix Day", "-/Night" both transfered to my car audio, ...) and what I most missed in SBS/LMS, was the ability to easily add any song (including, but not only, the currently playing track) to any of these playlists, without having to "load" this target playlist and/or loose my current track selection. I do use "Playlist Manager" that allows to do this using the "add..." button, but somehow I'm not altogether satisfied. PS : I registered as potential beta tester, but I might not be very useful here. On the other hand, I may be able to help with translation to french, if needed. (I've done this before) Stan Pulsar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6669 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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We have sent out a survey to all newsletter subscribers in June and another one to beta testers in July, you can see the highlights of these surveys on our blog at http://blog.ickstream.com . Thanks to all of you who took the time to participate ! Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > Thanks for explaining your ideal setup, I wanted to make sure I > understood the background for your reasoning it a bit better. > From a cost/energy perspective it definitely makes sense to limit the > amount of hardware used in the system. I think it also depends a bit on > the house, in some houses it's going to be a lot easier to just add a > few more hardware boxes in each room while it in other houses is going > to be easier to add the necessary audio cables and have most of the > hardware in a central/hidden place. > > > I've sent you a PM related to this. Hello >From my experience people will use local room setups as a retrofit solution, it means they can not pull new wires to central location. And I don't really think to have central location is cheaper than having hardware in each room. If you consider amour of labor to pull wires set the racks add distribution amps controllers etc.. - sky is the limit. :-) But anyway really exited about the project. bobtob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hello Im really looking forward for full metadata api integration. We are developers and integrators using systems like www.savantav.com and www.crestron.com, would be nice if we can finally have great streaming product with full metadata control. Since Logitech quit the game I was trying to find replacement. I was trying Sonos but no luck, they don't like to open the the system for third party integration. If ickstream will work well, that could be huge thing for custom audio integrators. Looking forward for beta testing. Bob bobtob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mweb wrote:
> I have one set of amplifier+speakers for each room and it is a waste of
> space and money in my opinion.
> ...
>
Thanks for explaining your ideal setup, I wanted to make sure I
understood the background for your reasoning it a bit better.
>From a cost/energy perspective it definitely makes sense to limit the
amount of hardware used in the system. I think it also depends a bit on
the house, in some houses it's going to be a lot easier to just add a
few more hardware boxes in each room while it in other houses is going
to be easier to add the necessary audio cables and have most of the
hardware in a central/hidden place.
mweb wrote:
>
> Maybe the interface to squeezebox server will allow me to do what I
> want, but I'm new to JSON/RPC and can't find enough info or examples on
> how to begin hacking at code. I've done a fair amount of .net and
> microcontroller programming, but the learning curve looks pretty steep
> from where I'm at. I guess I might get somewhere if I stopped making
> block diagrams and started working on it.
>
I've sent you a PM related to this.
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> as an aside, I use synching a lot! I can see how the ability to synch is useful for some. I think I've never had much of a need because my wife is stuck in the 70's, the 4 kids like teen pop, and I'm more of a nick cave, tom waits kind of guy. I'm hoping as the kids age, we'll be able to entertain more or have some common musical interests. If so, I'd be all for synching, but think it would be greatly simplified if done in hardware. > In a house 2.0 the audio system is not just a multiroom system, it's > also perfect linked with the logic of the smart house. I agree, but have never seen anything at a reasonable cost that provides those functions in a usable way. I have voice announcements through homeseer's squeezebox plugin, but it doesn't work perfectly and can be annoying. Since I work from home, it was very handy when the youngest was sleeping and I could have a voice message tell me when he was up from his nap based on a door sensor. In that case it was door sensor - to rf module - to ha software - to squeezebox plugin - to squeezebox server - to player - to speakers. Too much involved, too complicated, too much stuff to go wrong. I see announcements as an on-board source that is routed as needed by something that has a single purpose - sound in my home. Something like the "I am very inexpensive." block in the attached diagram is what I want to build. Maybe the interface to squeezebox server will allow me to do what I want, but I'm new to JSON/RPC and can't find enough info or examples on how to begin hacking at code. I've done a fair amount of .net and microcontroller programming, but the learning curve looks pretty steep from where I'm at. I guess I might get somewhere if I stopped making block diagrams and started working on it. The system you linked to looks nice, but expensive. 15081 +---+ |Filename: diagram.pdf | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15081| +---+ mweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi mweb, I thing the best product I know today for a central wireing is the Russound C5 where you have 8 different stereo zone with 2x20W each also controlled by remote app via ethernet. For a distributed approach I saw this: http://openrb.com/streaming-player/(see at products) complete product for DIN rail, control interface to KNX, streaming with DAC and amplifier, have a look. I don't know the price and how it works. In a house 2.0 the audio system is not just a multiroom system, it's also perfect linked with the logic of the smart house. It's an additional interface toward the habitants. If I stand at the door and want to leave the house it can tell me which window is still open. Or if it's raining, the house can tell me which window should be closed. It could tell you many other things. If you like, it's just SW. Somebody like this, other other events to be announced by voice. It's just an mp3 file which is played by the house logic like KNX or others. If the telefon rings the audio volume goes down to 10% and if you on-hook back to previous volume. For such an approuch you need a central control that's the reason why LMS becomes my favorit. Not only for me :) It sounds a bit future, but it's real today in many households. Another thing is also important to cover, a surround system with 5.1 or 7.1. This must behave as all other players. My thought Tobias Tbi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mweb wrote: > I've rarely used synching (like most I'd guess) as an aside, I use synching a lot! At home, I have 2 or 3 units synched several hours a day. At the weekend place, I have two players almost always synched. And there are times at home (party) that I have all 7 zones playing the same thing. Works great to have music in entire house without having to crank it up really loud at one end of the house (not that I don't do that sometimes as well!) My main setup is not too different from yours. I have 7 zones in my (actually pretty small) house. And some of these are fed by a single amplifier with a speaker selector box (so are either on or off, but obviously playing the same thing; these tend to be in bathroom with ceiling speakers, wife's walkin closet/dressing room area, etc.). These tend to be on for things like morning radio, early evening news radio, npr, etc. But other areas can be different things playing with different amps (e.g., main living room with main 2 channel system/speakers, dining area, etc). So not counting the bedside Boom (which is self contained) and one radio for moving around (porch, patio, etc.), I have only 3 amplifiers even though I have 7 zones (and one of those amps is also the amp for my AV sytem). My signature shows the various sb players I have. I control everything with ipeng on iphone or ipad or squeezepad on ipad. My wife mostly uses the SB Controller (easy and always sitting on kitchen counter). *Location 1:* VortexBox Appliance 4TB (2.2) > LMS 7.7.2 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) > LMS 7.7.2 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> Why do you need the "Analog audio routing circuit" and "Speaker selector > circuit" ? > > Is it because you can't afford to have one set of amplifier+speakers per > streaming device or can't afford one streaming device per room or is > there some other reason ? > > > Typically, my feeling is that with players that support synchronization, > you want to put a player+amplifier+speakers in each room. > Such setup would result in that you only have to select which player to > output the sound from and this will likely make the remote control > significantly simpler on top of this it means that you only need an > Ethernet cable to each room so the cabling should get simpler (you might > even be able to use WiFi for at least a few of the rooms). I have one set of amplifier+speakers for each room and it is a waste of space and money in my opinion. Everyone enjoys music in their own way with their own preferred setup, but it bugs me that many don't enjoy it enough because it costs too much or takes too much knowledge to set up and operate. I have 9 zones that I can control with ipeng. 7 of the 9 have their speaker wires ran to a common place in my house. So I've got a bunch of amplifiers in players located in that area. Out of the 9, the 2 areas that get used the most are the dining room and the deck. These have in-wall and mounted outdoor speakers. I'm not sure where I'd locate the player and amp in those areas that wouldn't be a nuisance. I'm certain that my family members would find more opportunities to screw things up if the equipment were accessible. So ideally for me, a combination of distributed, where speaker wires go to a common area, and networked, where players are remote is the best solution. My "Analog audio routing circuit" and "Speaker selector circuit" blocks would be an idea for a way to be more efficient. I have 9 zones and have had them for years, but I can't remember a time that I've had different music playing in more than 2 areas. So I've got a bunch of equipment always sitting there wasting energy and taking up space. I've rarely used synching (like most I'd guess), but would like to have a very easy way to transfer the currently playing music in one zone to another. Synching could be done more appropriately with the audio routing hardware. I think a music system in a house should be as common as a refrigerator. Two or three rooms where the speaker wires run to a common spot and are powered by a minimum number of class D amplifiers and players so it could be DIRT cheap with a common point of control. IMO - The more people listen to their favorite music, the happier they are. I can't imagine anyone doing dreadfully bad while listening to their favorite song. mweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mweb wrote:
> I don't know how to do this and am open to any suggestions. I think
> there should be an ipeng player for each zone. I can do the
> hardware/firmware for the analog and speaker routing blocks. I guess
> ideally, I'd build something that receives status and commands from the
> music server/ipeng that would take care of the control. Maybe
> integrated into the analog routing block. I could do the hardware and
> firmware for control, but I'm not sure how I'd implement the interface
> to the music server in firmware. I've got a squeeze server plugin for
> homeseer (home automation software) that might get me there, but it's
> not really what I want. I'd prefer something standalone.
>
Just to make sure I understand your proposed setup.
Why do you need the "Analog audio routing circuit" and "Speaker selector
circuit" ?
Is it because you can't afford to have one set of amplifier+speakers per
streaming device or can't afford one streaming device per room or is
there some other reason ?
Typically, my feeling is that with players that support synchronization,
you want to put a player+amplifier+speakers in each room.
Such setup would result in that you only have to select which player to
output the sound from and this will likely make the remote control
significantly simpler on top of this it means that you only need an
Ethernet cable to each room so the cabling should get simpler (you might
even be able to use WiFi for at least a few of the rooms).
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> > Do you expect the analogue routing block and the speaker routing block > to also be controlled by iPeng (or similar) or would that be something > controlled separately ? I don't know how to do this and am open to any suggestions. I think there should be an ipeng player for each zone. I can do the hardware/firmware for the analog and speaker routing blocks. I guess ideally, I'd build something that receives status and commands from the music server/ipeng that would take care of the control. Maybe integrated into the analog routing block. I could do the hardware and firmware for control, but I'm not sure how I'd implement the interface to the music server in firmware. I've got a squeeze server plugin for homeseer (home automation software) that might get me there, but it's not really what I want. I'd prefer something standalone. mweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mweb wrote:
>
> I'm not thinking of a pool, but independent inputs where the server just
> allows the user to pick the source. I'd pick streaming device 1, the
> kids would pick streaming device 2. A device associated with each
> account so I can't see how any terms of service could be violated. It
> wouldn't be much different than hooking up two streaming devices to an
> AV receiver with mutli zone capability.
>
When I'm thinking about how we could introduce a family concept in
ickStream it would more or less match what you are describing and since
each account is associated with one device or set of devices at the
time, it won't violate any terms. However, as previously mentioned, we
haven't got to the analysis of this kind of functionality yet.
mweb wrote:
>
> I'd like to move towards something similar to the attached block
> diagram, I think.
>
Do you expect the analogue routing block and the speaker routing block
to also be controlled by iPeng (or similar) or would that be something
controlled separately ?
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> From the poll thread I posted earlier: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98198-Usage-of-online-services-in-your-family > I got the feeling that most people didn't even want to consider having > multiple accounts for premium streaming services. All I can guess is that many have figured out a workaround that I haven't. I get the "This player is already registered to another user." message way too often and have to shuffle things around to get what I want. > I'm less optimistic about having some kind of pool solution where you > can setup a pool of premium streaming accounts, for example three > Pandora accounts, and the system picks the first free account when > someone wants to stream Pandora music. I think such solution would > probably violate the user agreement some of the premium streaming > providers have and it will also result in that you loose all > personalization features the premium streaming provider offers you to > setup in their account. I'm not thinking of a pool, but independent inputs where the server just allows the user to pick the source. I'd pick streaming device 1, the kids would pick streaming device 2. A device associated with each account so I can't see how any terms of service could be violated. It wouldn't be much different than hooking up two streaming devices to an AV receiver with mutli zone capability. > None of this is of course a problem for premium streaming services that > allows multiple songs to be streamed simultaneously from the same > account, I'm not sure what kind of restrictions Pandora have in this > regard. Pandora doesn't have this capability. As far as I know, only Rdio and Rhapsody have services that allow family plans. I'm not real clear on what ickstream is, but I'm guessing it might be for people who want to have a unified view into their music no matter where they are. What I've been looking for is a way for distributed home audio to be dirt cheap, support streaming music in a usable way, and be controlled by something as elegant as ipeng. I'd like to move towards something similar to the attached block diagram, I think. Good luck with your product. +---+ |Filename: diagram.pdf | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15075| +---+ mweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mweb wrote:
>
> I just need to be able to listen to different music in two spots in my
> home at the same time and be able to play Pandora or something similar
> in those two spots at the same time from separate accounts.
>
>From the poll thread I posted earlier:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98198-Usage-of-online-services-in-your-family
I got the feeling that most people didn't even want to consider having
multiple accounts for premium streaming services.
We haven't analyzed this part of the functionality in detail yet, the
real question here is how much we should focus on families. A single
user can only be at one place at the time so for a single user your use
case doesn't make sense, but for a family I understand that it makes
sense. In a family we obviously have the scenario that one family member
might want to play one kind of music in one room while another family
member might want to play different music in a another room
simultaneously.
In my mind, it might be possible that we consider to have some kind of
support for a family concept, where each family member have individual
ickStream accounts but they can configure that the playback resources
should be possible to share within the family. I suspect a solution like
this would solve your usage scenario at least partly. Each family member
would have their own ickStream and pandora account and they would be
able to output the music on any player in the house.
I'm less optimistic about having some kind of pool solution where you
can setup a pool of premium streaming accounts, for example three
Pandora accounts, and the system picks the first free account when
someone wants to stream Pandora music. I think such solution would
probably violate the user agreement some of the premium streaming
providers have and it will also result in that you loose all
personalization features the premium streaming provider offers you to
setup in their account.
None of this is of course a problem for premium streaming services that
allows multiple songs to be streamed simultaneously from the same
account, I'm not sure what kind of restrictions Pandora have in this
regard.
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In your other post you wrote: One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future. For example, if I have the following sources: Roku LT #1 tied to Pandora account #1 Roku LT #2 tied to Pandora account #2 squeezebox player #1 squeezebox player #2 that are connected to a board that allows selection of the input to route to one or both of two outputs, would ickstream allow for the proper control to integrate it all together with something similar to ipeng? I currently have a vortexbox, a couple of Rpi's running squeezeslave, and a bunch of amps to handle my 7 audio zones for my home. It's a pretty ugly setup. I'd like to replace it with less sources and less amplifiers, with the addition of a board that does analog switching at the input and maybe even relay switching at the output of the amps. It's all casual listening so audio quality isn't a concern. I just need to be able to listen to different music in two spots in my home at the same time and be able to play Pandora or something similar in those two spots at the same time from separate accounts. mweb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just for information to everyone following this thread, we sent out an ickStream mailing earlier this week to everyone who have subscribed as a "Developer" via our web site (http://www.ickstream.com). We included a survey in the mailing to invite developers when its most relevant for them. To anyone who subscribed but didn't get the maliing, please check your spam/junk mail folder. #RD Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A world of music at your fingertips. remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Its been a looong time since I posted in these forums, but I just popped in to say '+1' to this effort! I'm very excited about this, not just because it could breath new life in to the SB ecosystem, but simply for what it is - a group of enthusiasts, passionate about something, willing to commit time, effort and money to realise something that could be of benefit to many people. Like many others, I've recently started wondering what I'm going to do with my SBs. I only have an SB3 (an original SlimDevices model), and a Boom, but I started looking to add another Boom when I discovered the news about all things SB going away. Then I discovered IckStream. Now I understand that certainly to begin with my SB3 and Boom won't be supported. I very much hope they will be in the future. Having read through this entire thread, I'm optimistic they will be somehow. I've invested a lot of time in getting my setup working how I want it to, and time spent tagging my music. So for what it is worth, here is an outline of my 'configuration': One media server running Ubuntu and LMS. This serves an SB3, and a Boom (soon to be two Booms I hope, if I can get something on EBay). The media server is running on a very old PC, with an efficient Pentium 4 under the hood. I don't like having the server on all the time - broadly speaking, the server runs during the day, and is switched off at night, thats when MySB comes into play. We listen to a lot of radio, but also our own music. We also really like some of the natural sounds, and often have the 'rain' sound playing from MySB during the night. I use a number of plugins to make my system work for me, including LastFM for recording what music of my own I listen to, MusicIP, AutoDim display for both Boom and SB (essential), Server Power Control (again essential - this is how I control switching between local LMS and MySB). SleepFade, TitleSwitcher, WeatherDateTime. I do like to tweak and fiddle with things, which is one of the reasons I like the SB ecosystem - because I fiddle with it, and make it work for me. That comes at a cost; things go wrong, but I try to keep it simple so that my wife and daughter can use it. Which brings me on to tagging. Like many others, I have a collection of classical music, and the lack of ability to manage it well in LMS is a source of frustration. I used to use Erlands plugins to help this, but things got complicated, so I simplified the tagging, which has led to a less-than-desirable UI experience when browsing classical music. The additional annoyance was the unability to set out exactly how I wanted my menu AND sub-menu structure to work on the SB3 and Boom UI, but I imagine that isn't really in your scope. I'd be happy to run my own LMS 24/7; I'm thinking about investing in a new small footprint PC or NAS perhaps which uses little power so can stay on, that would solve the problem of MySB going away.but I won't be able to here the natural sounds anymore though! Sorry for the long rambling post - basically just wanted to say, I'm very excited for the work you guys are doing! Chris. chris.mason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > I'm not sure I understand which part(s) you want to get rid of in your > current system. I don't want to get rid of anything, but I've an eye to the future when my Touch may fail, or the LMS server might be incompatible with future hardware/OS's, and so on. My collection is something for decades, not just next year. > > We have an item on our roadmap about being able to use content from UPnP > Media Server's, so my guess would be that when we (or a third party > developer) implements this, you would probably be able to browse content > offered by foobar2000 and play it on an ickStream player. It will > probably not be a traditional generic UPnP controller, because we want > to provide the ickStream experience, but it will use the UPnP protocol > to browse/search the content. I can't say exactly when this will be > implemented but it's in the plan. Also, the API's in ickStream isn't > dependent on a certain server providing the content, it's possible for > third party developers to integrate pretty much any server or online > service they like as long as it offers some kind of API to access the > content. > > However, I like to understand which of the current hardware/software you > would like to be part of your optimal future solution: > - Would foobar2000 be used ? As a client ? As a server ? As both client > and server ? > - Would Squeezebox Touch hardware be used ? > - Would LMS be used ? > - Would an iOS/Android device be used as remote control ? > - Or would you do all control via a computer in front of you ? > UPnP compatibility seems a plausible alternative to LMS. My priority is to assume I have no LMS, just a load of flacs and a UPnP-compliant amplifier. If a UPnP controller is then available on a wireless device that I can use to scan many tracks with longs names (hence laptop/tablet as opposed to a smartphone), and is compatible with servers such as foobar2000 (which I picked as a server because it can create customised menus), then that may provide a workable alternative to LMS. Given the way I believe UPnP works the controller would need to be able to pick up the menus from the server, and hence avail itself of foobar's (or any other server's) ability to create non-standard menus. Personally I prefer Linux as a software platform since I hope to be able to find a version that runs on a wider range of kit than anything from Apple (obviously) or Android (particularly seeing what ubuntu are doing regarding Android systems). > > Regarding music content, third party developers can add pretty much > whatever they like through our API, as an example I've been playing with > the idea of integrating Custom Browse/Custom Scan plugin menus, as this > could be solution for people who want to continue using LMS as content > service and want extreme customization possibilities. This is probably > something I would do on my spare time, I don't think the standard > ickStream functionality is going to have the extreme customization > possibilities that are available in Custom Browse/Custom Scan today, > primarily because it would make it too complex for most people and we > want the standard system to be very easy to use without the need to > learn how to configure it before you can use it. > > We know we can't do everything ourselves, so we have focused on creating > good API's that allows third party developers to enhance the system in > ways we can't imagine ourselves, pretty much the same philosophy as Slim > Devices originally had with the Squeezebox system. My guess is that most > people are going to get a good out of the box experience from the start, > but we won't see the full potential until after a few years when third > party developers fully have started to take advantage of all the > possibilities. > > Finally, important to remember, don't look at ickStream as an music > server replacement, we will integrate with LMS and with other music > servers (for people who don't want to use LMS). Time will tell if we > will also provide our own music server, but at the moment our feeling is > that there are good ones available so it's better to integrate with > existing ones instead of trying to make our own. This all sounds very sensible. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote:
>
> The reason for describing how my non-LMS system would work is that I
> wonder whether ickStream will have the ability to plug the main hole in
> this solution, i.e. provide a reliable UPnP Controller, or provide some
> other solution to drive my pre-amp direct without using my LMS Touch,
> with customised tags and menus.
>
I'm not sure I understand which part(s) you want to get rid of in your
current system.
We have an item on our roadmap about being able to use content from UPnP
Media Server's, so my guess would be that when we (or a third party
developer) implements this, you would probably be able to browse content
offered by foobar2000 and play it on an ickStream player. It will
probably not be a traditional generic UPnP controller, because we want
to provide the ickStream experience, but it will use the UPnP protocol
to browse/search the content. I can't say exactly when this will be
implemented but it's in the plan. Also, the API's in ickStream isn't
dependent on a certain server providing the content, it's possible for
third party developers to integrate pretty much any server or online
service they like as long as it offers some kind of API to access the
content.
However, I like to understand which of the current hardware/software you
would like to be part of your optimal future solution:
- Would foobar2000 be used ? As a client ? As a server ? As both client
and server ?
- Would Squeezebox Touch hardware be used ?
- Would LMS be used ?
- Would an iOS/Android device be used as remote control ?
- Or would you do all control via a computer in front of you ?
Regarding music content, third party developers can add pretty much
whatever they like through our API, as an example I've been playing with
the idea of integrating Custom Browse/Custom Scan plugin menus, as this
could be solution for people who want to continue using LMS as content
service and want extreme customization possibilities. This is probably
something I would do on my spare time, I don't think the standard
ickStream functionality is going to have the extreme customization
possibilities that are available in Custom Browse/Custom Scan today,
primarily because it would make it too complex for most people and we
want the standard system to be very easy to use without the need to
learn how to configure it before you can use it.
We know we can't do everything ourselves, so we have focused on creating
good API's that allows third party developers to enhance the system in
ways we can't imagine ourselves, pretty much the same philosophy as Slim
Devices originally had with the Squeezebox system. My guess is that most
people are going to get a good out of the box experience from the start,
but we won't see the full potential until after a few years when third
party developers fully have started to take advantage of all the
possibilities.
Finally, important to remember, don't look at ickStream as an music
server replacement, we will integrate with LMS and with other music
servers (for people who don't want to use LMS). Time will tell if we
will also provide our own music server, but at the moment our feeling is
that there are good ones available so it's better to integrate with
existing ones instead of trying to make our own.
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(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
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As an LMS (Touch) user, I have been looking at alternatives. The main listening is done in my lounge, remote from the music server, connected via Ethernet. The closest I got to a working alternative that can make use of custom tags (for classical music) was: - flacs still on my Vortexbox as usual (but not using the DLNA server provided) - foobar2000 on my main deskptop Linux PC (under Wine), reading the flacs from the Vortexbox, with the UPnP plugin, using foobar's customised DLNA menu facility (which can read custom tags) and acting as the server over Ethernet - one or another UPnP controller on my (wireless) laptop Linux PC or SmartPhone controlling foobar2000 - my hi-fi pre-amp supports UPnP (over Ethernet) but the menu is worse than useless, hence the use of a laptop (or smartphone) as a controller This all almost works, except that the controllers are all very unreliable (crashing regularly, failing to read the menus, and so on), so near useless for regular listening. foobar2000 is a wonderful, peerless, tool, and I wouldn't be without it, even with LMS. I use it for playing music near the server, checking tags (set using puddletag or mp3tag) and format conversion. I have built up (filter) menus not unlike those I have in Custom Browse in LMS. I can listen to my music in other rooms via wired PCs and foobar2000, without using UPnP. This doesn't provide any synchronisation, but I have rarely wanted to do this except to prove LMS can do it well. If I have to I could also run foobar2000 on my laptop in the lounge, plug the laptop into the Ethernet, and play music out via the async USB DAC in my hi-fi, but that leaves wires all over the room which I don't like. The reason for describing how my non-LMS system would work is that I wonder whether ickStream will have the ability to plug the main hole in this solution, i.e. provide a reliable UPnP Controller, or provide some other solution to drive my pre-amp direct without using my LMS Touch, with customised tags and menus. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just for information to everyone following this thread, we sent out an ickStream mailing earlier today to everyone who have subscribed for "Beta Tester" via our web site (http://www.ickstream.com). We included a survey in the mailing to invite testers when its most relevant both for our testing and for users expectations. To anyone who subscribed but didn't get the maliing, please check your spam/junk mail folder. #RD remd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14098 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > We are thinking about posting a survey in the near future to everyone > that have registered as "Beta tester" on the ickStream web site > (http://www.ickstream.com), among other things it will have some check > boxes where users can select what they think they can help us test and > give us feedback on, so possibly a list of candidates can be picked > based on the survey result. In the beginning we are probably going to be > primarily focused at Pop/Rock music (since that's what most people > listen to), but I'd like to ensure we design the system in such way so > it can be enhanced to also support Classical music in a good way on > longer terms. Thanks. I look forward to it all. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote:
>
> To show willing, if you want me to define what I do and maybe send some
> data to you as a sample, I'd be happy to make a small start (you'd have
> to give me a hint about how to extract and send the metadata).
>
Thanks, I'll let you know if I feel I need it, I have some kind of
feeling what people want already from all previous discussions around
the Custom Browse/Custom Scan plugins.
PasTim wrote:
>
> However, it seems to me that you need to find a way to be in contact
> with a large enough group of people with the same interests, and I don't
> know how you would do that.
>
We are thinking about posting a survey in the near future to everyone
that have registered as "Beta tester" on the ickStream web site
(http://www.ickstream.com), among other things it will have some check
boxes where users can select what they think they can help us test and
give us feedback on, so possibly a list of candidates can be picked
based on the survey result.
In the beginning we are probably going to be primarily focused at
Pop/Rock music (since that's what most people listen to), but I'd like
to ensure we design the system in such way so it can be enhanced to also
support Classical music in a good way on longer terms.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
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and 'RSS Photo Show'
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erland wrote: > I think there are two big questions: > 1. Is people who love classical music willing to adapt to a standardized > way of handling classical music metadata or will it be too much work to > change their existing collection. > 2. Are people who love classical music willing to submit and share their > metadata with other people who love classical music and is the other > people willing to use the shared metadata. > > If the answer is "No" to both these questions, we can probably forget > about making something better than the current Custom Browse/Custom Scan > solution we have for Squeezebox. If the answer is "Yes" to both these > questions there is some potential to start doing something. It's > probably possible to make a configurable tool that can extract some of > the data from the tags in case you have used well structured custom tags > for the classical data. If the rewards, in terms of a better user interface, were sufficient then I would do both. I don't know if others would, nor how one would find out. There are several related tagging issues for which people would have to be able to give structured answers. For instance, I know that some systems recommend using Artist for Composer, and place Artists in the track title (anathema to me, but that just goes to show...). Contributors would need to be able to say precisely how they have used the fields. To show willing, if you want me to define what I do and maybe send some data to you as a sample, I'd be happy to make a small start (you'd have to give me a hint about how to extract and send the metadata). However, it seems to me that you need to find a way to be in contact with a large enough group of people with the same interests, and I don't know how you would do that. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote:
> Sadly the chances of this happening are vanishingly small now. If the
> standards (such as they are) had been done right in the first place
> (which would not have been hard) it would be easy. They weren't. Like
> many others I went my own way, with some ideas from you, and probably
> wouldn't want to have to change it all again unless I felt there was a
> realistic long-term benefit to be gained.
>
I think there are two big questions:
1. Is people who love classical music willing to adapt to a standardized
way of handling classical music metadata or will it be too much work to
change their existing collection.
2. Are people who love classical music willing to submit and share their
metadata with other people who love classical music and is the other
people willing to use the shared metadata.
If the answer is "No" to both these questions, we can probably forget
about making something better than the current Custom Browse/Custom Scan
solution we have for Squeezebox. If the answer is "Yes" to both these
questions there is some potential to start doing something. It's
probably possible to make a configurable tool that can extract some of
the data from the tags in case you have used well structured custom tags
for the classical data.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
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erland wrote: > If all classical music fans would be able to agree on a tagging scheme > for classical music, we would at least have taken a first step towards > being able to convince the tagging software developers to add support > for it. If there was a standardized tagging scheme, it would be easier > to make a content server for local music that supported it. I know > musicbrainz has done some work to standardize metadata for classical > music (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Classical_Music_FAQ) but I'm not sure > how the progress is. Sadly the chances of this happening are vanishingly small now. If the standards (such as they are) had been done right in the first place (which would not have been hard) it would be easy. They weren't. Like many others I went my own way, with some ideas from you, and probably wouldn't want to have to change it all again unless I felt there was a realistic long-term benefit to be gained. So some clever ideas are needed, but I've not had any. I'm hoping you and your colleagues will! LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Guys This is v. interesting and exciting, good luck. Just one thing, it'll never be too late to announce it was only a working title! :-) flimflam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56891 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mps wrote:
> Actually, I think the benefits could go beyond classical.
>
> ...
>
> I don't think the functionality would be that hard to implement, but the
> UI could be a challenge. Playlists would now be trees instead of lists,
> so you'd need a good widget for navigating into the
> work/album/sub-playlist.
>
I think we are talking about two things:
- An alternative way to groups tracks, since the normal ALBUM grouping
doesn't work for classical music. There are other cases where this might
be useful but for classical music it's quite common that you want a
different kind of grouping than how the pieces are combined on an album.
- A way to make playlists contain other stuff that tracks, this can be
useful for pop/rock also.
I won't promise anything at this stage, but your post definitely started
to make me think about how it could be done.
The real challenge here is that:
- It will never work for online streaming services, because their data
doesn't contain this kind of information
- It will never work if people are forced to use custom tags, because
most people only use the tags available as default in their tagging
software
The problem with this is that due to the above we can't rely on tagging
software and to make it work for streaming services we would need to
able to enhance the streaming service information with additional
metadata and barely none is going to be willing to maintain their own
data for content from streaming services. The SMD
(http://socialmusicdiscovery.org) project was intended to solve the
library maintenance part, but at the moment I've refocused on realizing
ickStream and the other contributors to SMD can't spare much time, so
SMD is currently more or less paused. I still want to re-activate SMD at
some time, but my personal feeling is that for it to work for most
users, users would have to be able to share their metadata in similar
fashion as they can do today with musicbrainz. If every user have to
enter the data manually, it's not going to be popular enough to make it
worthwhile to implement.
If all classical music fans would be able to agree on a tagging scheme
for classical music, we would at least have taken a first step towards
being able to convince the tagging software developers to add support
for it. If there was a standardized tagging scheme, it would be easier
to make a content server for local music that supported it. I know
musicbrainz has done some work to standardize metadata for classical
music (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Classical_Music_FAQ) but I'm not sure
how the progress is.
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(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
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mps wrote: > Actually, I think the benefits could go beyond classical. I have Jazz CDs that similarly need to be classed as containing one or more 'Works'. I have used Erlands basic plan from http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Setup_browse_menu_for_classical_music, with the addition of a 'WorkArtist'. I'm aware other people have treated AlbumTitle as Work, Track as Movement, and AlbumArtist as WorkArtist, but I didn't want to lose the Album concept entirely, particularly where an Album contains a Concert of many Works. I guess one could still go with using Album information for Work provided some other glue was available to show that the Works are part of a named collection. One other reason for wanting both Album and Work information is that, sad fellow that I am, I sometimes have more than one recording of the same Work by the same Artist (or set of Artists). I want the Work and Movement names to be exactly the same across all performances by any Artists (and I spend hours making sure this is true), so where the Artist(s) are the same I need the AlbumTitle to differentiate between them (my memory for performance years being somewhat limited). Here endeth the classical rant... LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Actually, I think the benefits could go beyond classical. * Many groups of rock pieces meant to be listened to together could well be tagged as a work: E.g., the linked songs in almost any Grateful Dead concert, Boston's Walk On Suite, etc. * Including albums as entries in Playlists is the same idea. * So is including playlists in other playlists E.g., 1. Under the Bridge (a single track) 2. My Daily Meditations (a playlist) 3. Live at Stubb's (an album) 4. China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider (a non-classical "work") 5. New World Symphony (a work) I don't think the functionality would be that hard to implement, but the UI could be a challenge. Playlists would now be trees instead of lists, so you'd need a good widget for navigating into the work/album/sub-playlist. mps wrote: > Excited about the product. Your newsletter talks about powerful > heterogeneous playlists. One thing I would like to see is to put a work > on the playlist as if it were a track. E.g., > > 1. Aaron Copland - Fanfare for the Common Man (A single track) > 2. J.S. Bach - Goldberg Variations (A work with 32 variations) > 3. J.S. Bach - Lute Suite in Cm - 3. Sarabande (A single track) > > This would be much better than having to looks through 32 items on the > playlist to see what's next. Of course, the classical music would be > tagged with work info. I understand that there are some conceptual > challenges to this (E.g., Would the skip button skip you to the next > work or the next track? How would the track be shown? etc.) making a > playlist a little more like a "playtree" than a "playlist." However, few > if any streamers handle classical worth a hill of beans (I use a highly > customized SQL CustomBrowse menu in LMS that I can share to handle > browsing, so there is room for improvement on that level as well). If > one could really crack the classical nut, that would be a real > distinguisher mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
PasTim wrote: > And so say all of us. I don't know whether Classic Fans are a tiny or large Minority (yes i am convinced we are outnumbered). To judge from search Support Features as in deezer we are rather left alone. Would be Great if use of ickstream could improve that Situation. Toine (fighting with tapatalk Auto-correction) avh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
mps wrote: > Excited about the product. Your newsletter talks about powerful > heterogeneous playlists. One thing I would like to see is to put a work > on the playlist as if it were a track. E.g., > > 1. Aaron Copland - Fanfare for the Common Man (A single track) > 2. J.S. Bach - Goldberg Variations (A work with 32 variations) > 3. J.S. Bach - Lute Suite in Cm - 3. Sarabande (A single track) > > This would be much better than having to looks through 32 items on the > playlist to see what's next. Of course, the classical music would be > tagged with work info. I understand that there are some conceptual > challenges to this (E.g., Would the skip button skip you to the next > work or the next track? How would the track be shown? etc.) making a > playlist a little more like a "playtree" than a "playlist." However, few > if any streamers handle classical worth a hill of beans (I use a highly > customized SQL CustomBrowse menu in LMS that I can share to handle > browsing, so there is room for improvement on that level as well). If > one could really crack the classical nut, that would be a real > distinguisher Yes, that would be a Great Feature! avh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
mps wrote: > If one could really crack the classical nut, that would be a real > distinguisher And so say all of us. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Excited about the product. Your newsletter talks about powerful heterogeneous playlists. One thing I would like to see is to put a work on the playlist as if it were a track. E.g., 1. Aaron Copland - Fanfare for the Common Man (A single track) 2. J.S. Bach - Goldberg Variations (A work with 32 variations) 3. J.S. Bach - Lute Suite in Cm - 3. Sarabande (A single track) This would be much better than having to looks through 32 items on the playlist to see what's next. Of course, the classical music would be tagged with work info. I understand that there are some conceptual challenges to this (E.g., Would the skip button skip you to the next work or the next track? How would the track be shown? etc.) making a playlist a little more like a "playtree" than a "playlist." However, few if any streamers handle classical worth a hill of beans (I use a highly customized SQL CustomBrowse menu in LMS that I can share to handle browsing, so there is room for improvement on that level as well). If one could really crack the classical nut, that would be a real distinguisher mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
PasTim wrote:
> Fair enough, but I won't be able to use this until there's a controller
> I can run on a linux laptop. At an extreme pinch an android app on a
> smartphone would be OK, but I'd much rather not - those of us whose eyes
> are a bit older may find smartphone screens too small.
>
Just to be sure, I assume a native remote control app for your favorite
operating system would be ok ?
Or do you want a web browser based remote control even if there is a
native client for your operating system ?
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erland wrote: > Just to be sure, I assume a native remote control app for your favorite > operating system would be ok ? > Or do you want a web browser based remote control even if there is a > native client for your operating system ? Personally I'd prefer a web bowser based controller on the assumption that it would be more future-proof and require little or no installation (with associated concerns about compatible libraries, O/S updates mucking up the app, etc). It is not, however, a make-or-break issue. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
pippin wrote: > It's not so much the question of "power" of an App. The issue is: if you > want to run something in a web browser you need a web server. > With the Squeezeboxes, that's not a problem, they are always being > controlled through a server anyway. > > But on ickStream there is no central server that needs to be always on > and that the player is always connected to so it's much more difficult > to do a web controller. > > We do want to eventually have this and have some ideas about how it can > be done, but for now Apps are simply the more simple solution :) > > BTW: we do NOT plan to limit this to iOS or Android. In fact we'll have > an openly published API so everyone can write a controller for any > platform. We just started with iOS because that was the easiest thing > for us to implement. Fair enough, but I won't be able to use this until there's a controller I can run on a linux laptop. At an extreme pinch an android app on a smartphone would be OK, but I'd much rather not - those of us whose eyes are a bit older may find smartphone screens too small. I guess I might have to buy a tablet, although that would cost me more than the Touch, and about the same as my VB server, which seems a lot for a control device. However, don't get me wrong, I am interested and keen to see what you come up with, and hopeful it would help me, even with my somewhat limited local-use-only needs. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
We might have a Linux controller, too. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Just for information to everyone following this thread, we sent out an
ickStream newsletter earlier this week to everyone who have subscribed
for "News" via our web site (http://www.ickstream.com).
We have now also published the main content from the newsletter on our
blog (http://blog.ickstream.com) so anyone who missed to subscribe can
read it there.
To anyone who subscribed on news but didn't get the newsletter, please
check your spam/junk mail folder.
I also want to take the time to already now thank everyone who have
responded on the survey which was included in the mailed newsletter,
your input is going to be valuable input to our prioritization. The
survey is not available via the blog at this time, but anyone that wants
to give us feedback of any kind, feel free to post it here in this
thread.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third
party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins'
(http://license.isaksson.info))
You may also want to try my Android apps 'Squeeze Display'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.squeezedisplay)
and 'RSS Photo Show'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.rssphotoshow)
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Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
Will IckStream support player synchronization? Kind regards Günther Primary: LMS on Win 7 PC, 4 SBT, 1 Duet, 1 piCorePlayer & HifiMeDIY Sabre II DAC, 2 Duet Controller, 2 iPods, 1 iPhone (iPeng), Sony XPeria Mini & ION, Android Tablet (SqueezeControl, OrangeSqueeze, SqueezeCommander) -- Secondary: Mobile Server based on SqueezePlug on RaspBerry PI cadfish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58296 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It's definitely on the roadmap but not yet there. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It's not so much the question of "power" of an App. The issue is: if you want to run something in a web browser you need a web server. With the Squeezeboxes, that's not a problem, they are always being controlled through a server anyway. But on ickStream there is no central server that needs to be always on and that the player is always connected to so it's much more difficult to do a web controller. We do want to eventually have this and have some ideas about how it can be done, but for now Apps are simply the more simple solution :) BTW: we do NOT plan to limit this to iOS or Android. In fact we'll have an openly published API so everyone can write a controller for any platform. We just started with iOS because that was the easiest thing for us to implement. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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>From this forum, the newsletter and the survey I see quite a lot of emphasis on the type of device used as a controller, and, if I have understood correctly, mention that only i-devices are currently supported. If you haven't included this already can I suggest a controller that works in any standard browser? I would imagine that would provide a least some facilities for most laptop/tablet controllers, although smartphones might be restricted by screen size. This method also provides a degree of future-proofing not available from i-anything or Android apps. I do understand that if you need the power of an 'app' then this may not be feasible, but it would suit me, and maybe others, a lot better. LMS 7.8 on VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room), digital out to a Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Old wireless laptop running Linux Mint Debian controls server using Chromium. Squeezelite on Ubuntu & Windows desktops plus the laptop. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen directly to Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft! PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
erland wrote: > Which operating system/hardware are you using LMS on ? > > > Thanks for the offer, unfortunately the remote control application which > is used for testing only works on iOS devices at this stage, we will > keep you in mind when we have made one for Android. If you haven't done > it already, it's a good idea to register your interest as beta tester on > our web site (http://www.ickstream.com). Hello Erland, At the moment I use LMS both on Windows 7 professional and on Windows 8 pro. I have already registered as tester (and developer) on your site last weekend. Thanks for the newsletter of yesterday. Sounds all very exciting. Toine avh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Well, the cloud component is actually quite simple: it primarily does protocol conversion and account t management, comparable to the role MySqueezebox.com has when you use LMS (it does NOT control any players). One difference is that it also offers library services like playlist management, favorites and statistics, Here, too, these services are optional (you could use others, e.g. As provided by a controller or a server or a local server/controller could use their data for e.g. An own dynamic playlist implementation. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This all sounds very interesting. I currently use a Transporter running LMS on my PC. One of the plug ins I find very useful is TrackStat. I assume this will be included in your new software project? I understand a Transporter version of your software is further down your list of priorities. I've been looking around at other streaming devices but none seem to offer all the features you currently get with LMS and all the various plugins. I've registered my e-mail add on your website for newsletter updates. Good luck with the project. Transporter (Black) > Cyrus 8XPd QX > B&W CDM1NT Speakers CD/HDD Recorder: Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 http://www.last.fm/user/norderney1962 norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I read the newsletter I received today; For me the Cloud component description feels a bit cloudy, after I thought I understood what the Content Services component was Is this Cloud thing a provisioning component ? 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.6.2 (Debian 6.0) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson Just Covers by Tom Kalmijn WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
avh wrote:
>
> - experiencing momentarily problems with squeezebox/LMS and deezer
>
Which operating system/hardware are you using LMS on ?
avh wrote:
>
> - Sorry, I do not have any I-Things,
> - But I do have access to an array of android devices
>
Thanks for the offer, unfortunately the remote control application which
is used for testing only works on iOS devices at this stage, we will
keep you in mind when we have made one for Android. If you haven't done
it already, it's a good idea to register your interest as beta tester on
our web site (http://www.ickstream.com).
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
(Developer of 'many plugins/applets (both free and commercial)'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland).
If you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third
party plugin/applet development, 'consider purchasing some plugins'
(http://license.isaksson.info))
You may also want to try my Android apps 'Squeeze Display'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.squeezedisplay)
and 'RSS Photo Show'
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.isaksson.rssphotoshow)
*Interested in the future of music streaming ? 'ickStream - A world of
music at your fingertips'
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Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream Music Platform
adricube wrote: > Hello, > > I dident' read all but i'm an user of deezer premium+, owner of an ipad > 4 and squeezebox touch with latest version of LMS > > I actually have problem with my deezer account so if you need someone > fort test i'm interested The same holds for me. That is: - I did not read everything in the thread - I am a deezer Premium+ user - experiencing momentarily problems with squeezebox/LMS and deezer (mherger is working on that) Apart from the above: - I have 2 Squeezebox radios and a Winphone - Sorry, I do not have any I-Things, - But I do have access to an array of android devices - I do have a background in usability testing and software engineering I wish all the luck to the ickStream development team and am looking forward to see the results of your efforts Toine avh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hello, I dident' read all but i'm an user of deezer premium+, owner of an ipad 4 and squeezebox touch with latest version of LMS I actually have problem with my deezer account so if you need someone fort test i'm interested adricube's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60636 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
