[e-gold-list] Loyal Bank
To the customer who was interested in a transfer to Loyal Bank in exchange
for egold:
We deal with Loyal Bank, but do not as of this moment warehouse a lot of
money there. This will change in the future so that we can fulfill requests
faster.
Depending on the size of your request, we may be willing to even give you a
small premium for the egold, which would probably defray the wire transfer
charges. Please let me know today, because if we don't hear from you, we
wil have to order some additional egold via wire transfer. Thanks,
John
P.S. We are a private market maker and have been in business since 1997.
We do not generally advertise to the public, and service mainly our existing
clientele, but you are welcome to use our services. Please answer offlist,
as we get the digest version, so any answers to the list will be delayed.
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[e-gold-list] Most outrageous fraud attempt yet!
Today I received the most outrageous fraud message yet. These guys must be
getting really desperate!
John
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It has come to our attention that you may be the recipient of
potentially fraudulent funds. We have initiated an investigation
into this event. In the meantime, we have placed a
pending reversal on the funds in question until the
investigation is complete. This pending reversal will
show as a deduction in your available balance. In
the meantime, you are free to continue transacting using
your E-Gold account.
To check the transaction in question please go to:
and log in into your e-gold account.
Transaction Date: Oct 14, 2002 07:39:34
Transaction Amount: $680.00
Payor's E-Gold:
E-Gold Support Team.
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[e-gold-list] liberty dollar
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Subject: Re: the liberty dollar
From: Steven T. Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:22:36 -0600
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The Liberty Dollar is an interesting concept. Why don't they accept
digital currencies especially e-gold for there goods?
Steve
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We are working on an interface to do just that. NORFED is also coming out
shortly with a smartcard backed by their NORFED dollars [IE GOLD AND
SILVER].
This is an incrediby complex deal, but I hope to have the kinks worked out
shortly. The kickoff for the new system will be around July 1st, and will
include a lot more goodies. Stay tuned.
John
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[e-gold-list] Moneygram and Western Union
We can do out exchanges through WU and Moneygram. Moneygram is cheaper for
you, but we can do WU too. See our offshorearnings site for details. Our
prices are very reasonable, especially if you register an account with us.
John
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[e-gold-list] Argentina
I am sure that things are very bad there right now, and it illustrates the
problems of fiat currency. For your information, we are located here in
Costa Rica, and my associate is a Tico, so he speaks perfect Spanish of
course.
Your problem is simillar to that experienced in S. Africa, where people
cannot send money out of the country except with government permission, of
course.
Yet, despite this, there is at least one egold MM who operates in S. Africa.
How do they do it?
Well, there is only one way, besides smuggling, that one can get money in
and out of a closed country like that. Here is how it would work. You have
customers in Argentina who want to buy egold, so you have to sell it in the
local, controlled currency. Also, I am sure that there would be some people
who would want to exchange egold for local currency for buying things,
although I am sure they would do so sparingly at this time.
Also, if you were such a MM, you would need to acquire customers outside
yoru own country, and you could use the gold generaated from those customers
when they do a redeem to fund the egold orders from Argentina. IN order to
make this work right, there would have to be a balance on both sides of the
equation, so to speak. However, since this is a national emergency, the
accounts would probably not balance, but it gives you a line of reasoning to
follow. Perhaps someone with more experience in this can refine this idea
for you.
I assume that bank wires, etc. cannot be gotten out of there either?
It is a real problem when the fiat currency collapses along with the economy
and banking system. The only way out of it is to learn from the experience
and diversify outside the system when that is finally permitted again.
Are people allowed to buy and sell gold and silver there? If so, another
approach to use as a start would be to start something like Norfed, which
issues a paper currency represented by gold in a vault. It is just like
egold, except it is real world rather than digital.
Anyway, these are just some ideas to start you thinking. What has to happen
is that people and business have to start using a sound currency regardless
of what the government says or does. If you can't buy and store gold or
silver, you could issue something like the HOURS currency issued in New
England in the US. I believe they have a website you could check out.
It sounds to me that the people are ripe for a change, and if you are the
first one there to do it, then you stand to make a lot of money. I hope at
least some of this has been of help.
John
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[e-gold-list] Is this a scam?
It looks to me like someone is doing a very bad scam on Yahoo. There is an
egold club hosted on Yahoo that makes the following statement:
Hi, I'm Douglas Jackson Founder of E-GOLD.COM this is my E-GOLD Club you
enter here and instantly DOUBLE your E-GOLD. ONLY FOR TODAY Follow the Link
When you follow the link, it looks like it takes you to the egold front page
through some kind of proxy. I'm not a techi, but it looks like this is a
clever way to get your account number and password, and maybe there are some
other bad things it does that some of the technically inclined here can
figure out. If you want to check it out, here is the url for this club:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/egolddoubleyourmoneynow
I think egold had better look into this, and if its a fake, and I'm sure it
is, get Yahoo to take this down right now.
John
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[e-gold-list] HYIP scams?
I will agree that 90%+ of HYIP'S are outright scams and ponzi schemes.
However, to be fair, I need to point out a couple of things:
There is a private and very large HYIP here in Costa Rica that has been
paying 3% a month for over 20 years with no sign of stopping, despite some
recent persecution of this program by the local newspaper and someone trying
to extort them, and numerous and continuous [and UNWANTED] investigations by
numerous agencies of the US government over many years.
For information on why HYIP's MUST become private programs rather than
public, read the article at http://www.destiny-worldwide.net/hyip.htm
There is a definite and vested interest in various governments not wanting
you to find a workable program. You can use your imagination as to why, but
some of the reasons are most of these are offshore, private, tax free,
untracable, etc.
So, governments attempt to shut down programs that are legitimate and that
get too large [it is amazing the orchastrated, concerted campaign against
the company here, but the company has prevailed simply because too many
people in power in the government here have money in it].
Another tactic is that the governments allow the scams to go on many times
unmolested, at least for some time. What this means is that people get
burned by the scams [remember over 90+% of these programs ARE scams, and you
only have a very small chance to get into one that is not a scam. thus the
majority of the people draw the erroneous conclusion that ALL of them are
scams, which is what Big Brother wants you to think. I have been burned by
several of these scams myself, but that was ONLY when I did not follow
commmon sense or the advice of some of those who know more than myself. Or
it was when I got greedy and was not careful. HYIP's are a minefield that
is not safe for the average person to fool around with. I would say that
ANYTIME you receive spam from some great program, or even have a friend
who is telling you their personal story about how great so and so program
is, RUN FAST AND HIDE YOUR MONEY LEST YOU LOSE IT.
I got burned once or twice by not following the above advice.
I am not going to bore all of you with further details here. If you want to
learn more, you can find more information at our website [which is NOT
dedicated to this]:
http://www.destiny-worldwide.net/financialtools.htm
Especially note the article there on economic correctness, as that pretty
well sums up the game that is going on to keep you in the dark about how the
financial world really operates. There is enough information on this one
page to start anyone down the right path, but the answers are not quick or
easy.
John
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get the frameset with all the buttons. The buttons in the upper frame will
not reproduce from the links above, and so you will miss out on a lot of
material. The main address is in my sig file below.
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[e-gold-list] Reply on Latvia
-- Subject: Re: Reply to Ian Green about Paritate From: Glencannon Group Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 38 Indeed everything you say is true. It really quite odd that the other banks in Latvia allowed this to happen? Don't they understand that the fall of Paritate, in such crude and unsophisticated manner, will only reflect ill on those more functional banks? I think everyone in that area needs to learn a few things about managing marketing issues and particularly crisis situations. I am sure there are some banks who do. I doubt that Latvia's largest bank cares much, as they have a substantial and growing customer base of their own. Of the other banks, Saules was recently bought out by Rietumu, meaning that those two banks probably could not particiapte in a buy out at this time. But from what I have experienced, Paritate was not run very well. we tried to open an account there for about 4-5 months a couple of years ago and had nothing but problems, lucky for us! We got nothing but the run around and lost a little bit of money. But at least we didn't loose as much as if we would have had an active account. There is a bank here in Costa Rica that bills itself as an offshore expert bank, but when you get below the surface, it is a slock operation just like Paritate. IN fact, I have joked sometimes that this bank in Costa Rica and Paritate must have a management exchange program because they are both terrible to deal with. But this particular bank in Costa Rica also has a negative net worth, if what I saw them doing last year is any indication. I already talked about this a year ago, so I will not bore all of you with the details, but they have a rapidly expanding customer base, but WHERE is the money going, because they would on a rotating basis subtract money from people's accounts and then put it back in before the statement cutoff and there was no indication on the statement to show where thousands of dollars [out of several accounts, mind you] had gone for a couple of weeks. Yet, as the managers of the fund, we knew that customer complaints about non working debit cards was not an isolated incident, but business as usual for these folks. Also, when we went to withdrawa the final monies from the fund on the way out the door, they stalled on issuing the check for several hours, with the first thing they said being that they could not find the money in the account, and after about an hour and a tirade from me, they all of a sudden discovered it, it was all just an oversight, you see Bottom line, when someone wanted cold, hard cash from this bank it took the bank a while to find it.. This is fractional reserve banking at its worst! My suspicion is that someone at the top is either massively incompetent beyond belief [more likely than in most countries] or a crook or both. Needless to say, we are very happy to have gotten away from them unscathed last year and to have established new relationships with competent banks with good customer service. Bad customer service is a sign of worse trouble than the customer can imagine. This is also what worries us about egold so much, but that is a topic for another day. John http://www.offshorearnings.com http://destiny-worldwide.net Thank you all the same for the information. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Reply to Ian Green about Paritate
Ian Green wrote: -- Subject: RE: URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE! From: Ian Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:18:55 +1000 X-Message-Number: 1 You're kidding me! Someone just speculated on this list on the damage that could be done if the mechanism of an I love you or Anna Kournikova virus, were used to propagate a claim that a particular bank is bankrupt, and people should immediately withdraw their money! (The main mechanism is the use of email and an instruction to spread the word, or sometimes automated forwarding.) Now only hours later someone does it! Rumours like this have brought down many a stronger financial institution (because of partial reserve backing). Please, Destiny Worldwide, provide verifiable primary evidence, and do not ask people to spread the word on imperfect and incomplete information. Let's get a couple of things straight, Ian: 1. I subscribe to the digest version, so I had no idea that someone had speculated on this subject before I mentioned it. 2. Our agents are prominent attorneys in Latvia and they provide us with accurate information on issues such as this. We would not send information of this nature if we were not certian it was reliable. 3. We do not provide information on our contacts to anyone except customers. If someone does not wish to take our word for something, that is their own problem. 4. This announcement was made as a public service, and I do not appreciate having rude comments made for doing such a service. I was treated this way on another mailing list sometime ago, and so I quit helping, and some people lost some money because I knew something about what was under discussion, but since my comments were not welcome on that group, I kept it to myself and they lost money. 5. We are not desperate to promote ourselves or our products and services. We have all the business that we need, although we do welcome new customers. We therefore do not engage in high pressure promotion tactics or spam or any other such terrible practices. We are in the process of becoming even more private than we are already, as offshore businesses are under attack everywhere, and the more private the business is, the better it is for both the business and the customer. I don't have an account with this bank, but I still would not like a run like this to bring down this or any other bank that provides good services to small, not necessarily rich, individual international clients, that most banks refuse to provide. You certainly cannot blame their bankruptcy on us, as it had already happened when we were informed, or was within hours of happening. I think when the email warning was sent to us, they might have still been open, but they apparantly closed hours later. Paritate provided one of the worst levels of customer service, and has given a bad reputation to other banks in Latvia. We use two other banks there, and the service is much superior to Paritate's, so the real sad thing is what they have doen to the offshore banking business and Latvia. I hope the rest of this list does not view our desire to help, or, when the next bit of information comes across my desk that could be of help I will just let it slide. John http://www.offshorearnings.com http://www.destiny-worldwide.net Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] URGENT WARKING, READ AT ONCE!
I realize that this is not directly egold related, but as many people on this list are freedom lovers and might have an account at Paritate Bank, please read this immediately and spread the word! We have been informed by our contacts in Latvia that Paritate Bank is bankrupt and about to loose their license. If you know anyone who has an account there, it would be wise to inform them at once so that they can take their money out. John --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Ountlandish international fees
Subject: Re: E-Gold-UK exchange? From: Yahoo! GeoCities [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:01:31 +0100 X-Message-Number: 12 Yes, exhorbitant banking charges are a big problem, especially for us here in GB. Whenever I receive a dollar commission cheque I find that most of it is swallowed up by transaction fees. Now, after opening PayPal and e-gold accounts I find that it's a devil of a job funding them. Dealers do not seem to want to accept GB personal cheques or credit cards - the most convenient payment methods. They seem to want cash-over-the-counter (rather difficult considering the mileage between USA and GB), wire transfers - what we call cable transfers - but at a price, western union, banker's cheques, or other outlandish vehicles which are relatively alien or expensive concepts over here, at least for the small investor. Richy PLANET CELTICA http://www.celtica.org/ You may consider opening up one of our online savings accounts. We accept egold, osgold, and goldmoney, and you can also withdraw clear funds in your savings account into one of these other systems, or even have us send US checks or money orders on your behalf. Finally, as long as checks are made payable to DW Global, SA, we can process them for you here and place them into your savings account from where you can do with it as you will. If the checks are made out to your company or to yourself, within 10 days we will have a way for you to process them at a very low fee, as we are opening a new US based account for this purpose in about 10 days. email us if you need specific instructions. [We will NOT be posting these instructions to the website, as this is a special arrangement we have made available only to our customers]. By the way, for cleared non-passthrough funds in your savings, the fee for transfers from savings into egold is a small 3.5%, one of the lowest fees I know of. We do not consider ourselves to be a MM, but we do this as a service for our customers. Rates to the other gold currencies are reasonable too. Find out more at http://www.offshorearnings.com Thanks, John --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] No numbered accounts
Recently, jpm wrote: --Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:57:06 +1000X-Message-Number: 16The BVI seems to be an OK-ish place to get some financial privacy.Generally, the whole offshore! privacy! thing is a bit of a farce.Most people get what they know from old spy movies.There's no such thing as a numbered! bank! account!, and hasn't been for thirty years. This is ABSOULTELY NOT TRUE! We have a bank that issues numbered CIRRUS debit cards. You could give the name of Mickey Mouse as the shipping address, too, it doesn't matter, they will send the card to whatever address and name is given. All we do is pay them the money and the card is shipped by a 3rd party so that the bank doesn't even know where they are going. When it comes renewal time, the bank contacts the client through us since they have no way of finding them. It is true that most jurisdictions have made this impossible, but there is still one place where you can get this ultimate anonymous tool. Details are on our website. We have lots of satisfied customers as well. Any company that largely DEALS with Americans is essentially an American company. It takes the Secret Service 10 minutes to subpeona a Nevada corporation and 20 minutes to Subpeona a BVI, Anguilla, Seychelles, Niui, etc corporation. Big deal. We are offshore and the SS has no right to subpeana us here. It is true that many so called offshore service providers operate from within the US behind their IBC veil, but we are not one of them. We are located offshore, and we have no offices or assets in the US. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fw: No numbered accounts
!!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Julian Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] No numbered accounts !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Julian Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] No numbered accounts This is ABSOULTELY NOT TRUE! We have a bank that issues numbered CIRRUS debit cards. You could give the name of Mickey Mouse as the shipping address, too, it doesn't matter, they will send the card to whatever address and name is given. All we do is pay them the money and the card is shipped by a 3rd party so that the bank doesn't even know where they are going. When it comes renewal time, the bank contacts the client through us since they have no way of finding them. Looks to me like you're reselling www.sparbucks.com or www.credit-debit-cards.lv - for a substantial markup. I will not comment on where the cards come from, as it is proprietary information and I will not get into a guessing match with anyone. However, you get what you pay for. I have heard of several people having problems with sparbucks. Also, the passthrough fees for sparbucks is a lot more than ours, so over the long run we are cheaper. John Google is my friend. Not yours though, it seems. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] (Fwd) URGENT! Tax Day Deadline!
If the LP took egold for ther donations, I think they would get money faster. To everyon on the egold list: email the LP and ask them why they don't take the Libertarian egold currencies. John --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:42:50 -0400 (EDT) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: URGENT! Tax Day Deadline! From: Libertarian Party Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear friend: In less than 72 hours, we will run out of money for our Internet banner ad project. If I don't send a check for $5,000 to our Internet ad agency on Monday, April 16th, our hard-hitting IRS/Armed Robbery ads will start to VANISH from the Internet. It couldn't happen at a worse time! April 16th is Tax Day. * It's the beginning of the week when Americans are most angry about their high taxes. * It's the week when Americans are most receptive to our Libertarian message. * It's the week when Americans are most likely to visit our site -- and discover that we're the ONE party that will end the income tax and abolish the hated IRS. But unless we raise $5,000 by Monday at noon, our banner ads will start to vanish. This opportunity will be lost. If that happens, pro-tax Republican and Democrats will be able to breathe easy. IRS bureaucrats will be able to gloat about their job security. And the income tax will be safe. Your contribution RIGHT NOW can keep our banner ads up and running. Your contribution RIGHT NOW can keep our banner ad experiment alive. We've already learned a lot from the campaign's first week: * We learned that one particular banner ad can DOUBLE our response rate on the Libertarian-friendly WorldNetDaily.com site. * We've learned that people who respond to our Drug War banner ad are TWICE as likely to immediately join the Libertarian Party. We need to start applying these lessons -- so we can boost our response rates even more. And there'll NEVER be a better time to do it than April 16th, and the rest of Tax Week. It's up to you: Do we keep running our banner ads during this one unique, valuable week when people are MOST receptive? Or do our banner ads VANISH from the Internet? Your contribution of $100 will keep the ads alive. If you don't have $100, then $50 would help. Even $25. But we need it right now. On Monday morning, we'll see how much money has been contributed. If we've reached $5,000, I write the check at noon -- and keep the banner ads alive. Here's what you can do: Visit... http://www.lp.org/action/banners/vote0052.html There's a place there to make an immediate credit card donation. If you haven't seen the banner ads yet, you can do so there. I think you'll love them. Or, you can print out the form at the end of this message, and mail it to us it with a check. But if you do, please send me an email message so I know it's coming (and we can count it towards the $5,000). My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember, there will NEVER be a better time for our banner ads to be effective and than April 16th and the rest of Tax Week! Thank you, Steve Dasbach National Director PS: Please, don't count on someone else making a contribution to keep the banner ads experiment going. That "someone else" may not come through. If you want this project to succeed, YOU must step forward. That's what responsibility is all about. Just visit http://www.lp.org/action/banners/vote0052.html right now! Make your best contribution. If you can do that, we'll keep our banner ads running through Tax Week. But please act fast -- we have less than 72 hours! HERE'S THE CONTRIBUTION FORM: Please print out the form below on your computer printer, fill it in, and enclose it with your check. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ENCLOSED IS MY CONTRIBUTION OF: [ ] 5000 [ ] $1000 [ ] $500 [ ] $250 [ ] $100 [ ] $50 [ ] $25 [ ] Other $ LIMITATIONS: Contributions to political committees are not tax-deductible. Please make your check payable to "Libertarian Party" or provide the following information for credit card payment: [ ] Mastercard [ ] Visa [ ] Discover [ ] American Express Card number Expires Signature__ Name___ Address City_ State Zip Phone__ E-Mail_ Occupation_ Employer___ Government Mandated Notices: The Federal Election Commission requires political committees to report the name, mailing address, and occupation and name of employer for each individual whose contributions aggregate in excess
[e-gold-list] Elwyn Jenkens
Dr. Jenkens, Please excuse us using this public forum to contact you, but we sent you an urgent email on a private matter to your email address last week and have not received an answer. Please reply to this address offlist so that we can discuss this matter, as we are sure it is of some importance to you. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] OSGOLD
I am a little sceptical of OSGOLD myself, mainly because of how I was introduced to it. I was doing a little gambling in a stupid game called Cash Over Time that supposedly pays a handsome return over 7 days, and naturally, after a few deposits to my acocunt, they ahve fallen over a week behind in payments... As they stopped paying, they mentioned that they were creating a new system called Osgold. They made it appear that the sponsors of the game were the founders of Osgold. Then they promised to catch up their payments into my new Osgold account, which they still have not. Besides, I don't see any way to get the gold out of Osgold once it is in there. They do mention that soon you will be able to transfer gold from Osgold back to egold, but of course I can't try that yet as they stil have not paid what they have owed. IN any event, I think that maybe these people are behind both things, and that the gamers have set this up as a way to pay the people playing the games without actually paying them anything. I saw a simillar scam a year or so ago with Big International, but that is another story. Fortunately, I was only playing around and lost only a few dollars, but I would be very careful about trusting these people with anything at this time. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: OSGOLD
After I sent my message I had a discussion with someone in person who told me the same thing, that COT was not the owner, but that it was someone else named David. However, he did tell me that this David was involved in something called ebiz and I seem to recall a discussion of it here. Anyway, he seemed pretty positive about Osgold, so once the market makers come aboard we may give it a try. And yes, I like cusotmer service too. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) -Original Message-From: shupperd1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:19 PMSubject: Re: [e-gold-list] OSGOLD Well I can tell you that Cashovertime is NOT the owners , nor do they have anything to do with the making of OSGold. They did switch to OSGold because of the simplicity of making multiple payments. Osgold does not owe you anything, so do not say they do. As far as getting osgold converted to egold, there are already a few market makers that are doing that. I am one. This is the future of online payment systems, They are not trying to take E-gold down, but they would like to see e-gold have better customer service. OSGold, Standard Reserve, GoldMoney , and E-gold are just the begining of what will probably be a saturated industry. I would rather have my money in a safe offshore haven, and have complete access to it. I also prefer Customer Service!! Give OSGold a try, soon it will be used by many more than you imagine. James Shupperd Money to Gold, and Gold to Money, Pays Referral Comissions Directly to Your eGold account.the FASTEST funding on the net. www.fastgold.net Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE INFORMED!!!http://www.e-told.com/?157585 for all of your internet shopping needs visit my mallwww.multiplexmall.com/js1460 God Bless You and Yours,James Shupperd Contact me anytimeICQ # 99212386 Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd - Original Message - From: Destiny Worldwide To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] OSGOLD I am a little sceptical of OSGOLD myself, mainly because of how I was introduced to it. I was doing a little gambling in a stupid game called Cash Over Time that supposedly pays a handsome return over 7 days, and naturally, after a few deposits to my acocunt, they ahve fallen over a week behind in payments... As they stopped paying, they mentioned that they were creating a new system called Osgold. They made it appear that the sponsors of the game were the founders of Osgold. Then they promised to catch up their payments into my new Osgold account, which they still have not. Besides, I don't see any way to get the gold out of Osgold once it is in there. They do mention that soon you will be able to transfer gold from Osgold back to egold, but of course I can't try that yet as they stil have not paid what they have owed. IN any event, I think that maybe these people are behind both things, and that the gamers have set this up as a way to pay the people playing the games without actually paying them anything. I saw a simillar scam a year or so ago with Big International, but that is another story. Fortunately, I was only playing around and lost only a few dollars, but I would be very careful about trusting these people with anything at this time. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+))---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: OSGOLD
I hope you are right too, but the party I spoke to at lunch seemed to think it was the same David as was behind ebiz. Anyway, if Cash Over Time does finally deposit the money they owe me into that account, I will use that to play around with the system and test it out. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) -Original Message-From: Mike Poulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]; e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:09 PMSubject: Re: [e-gold-list] Re: OSGOLD Well John, I do hope that it is not the same David that was involved with ebiz as many people lost tons of money. I do think that OS Gold has a good chance and I have also referred about 400 people. Lets do give it a chance, MIKE ==Try the e-Lottery for only .5 gram and you could win up to 1,000 grams of goldhttp://www.puregoldlottery.com - Original Message - From: Destiny Worldwide To: e-gold Discussion Cc: e-gold Discussion Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:10 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: OSGOLD After I sent my message I had a discussion with someone in person who told me the same thing, that COT was not the owner, but that it was someone else named David. However, he did tell me that this David was involved in something called ebiz and I seem to recall a discussion of it here. Anyway, he seemed pretty positive about Osgold, so once the market makers come aboard we may give it a try. And yes, I like cusotmer service too. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) -Original Message-From: shupperd1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:19 PMSubject: Re: [e-gold-list] OSGOLD Well I can tell you that Cashovertime is NOT the owners , nor do they have anything to do with the making of OSGold. They did switch to OSGold because of the simplicity of making multiple payments. Osgold does not owe you anything, so do not say they do. As far as getting osgold converted to egold, there are already a few market makers that are doing that. I am one. This is the future of online payment systems, They are not trying to take E-gold down, but they would like to see e-gold have better customer service. OSGold, Standard Reserve, GoldMoney , and E-gold are just the begining of what will probably be a saturated industry. I would rather have my money in a safe offshore haven, and have complete access to it. I also prefer Customer Service!! Give OSGold a try, soon it will be used by many more than you imagine. James Shupperd Money to Gold, and Gold to Money, Pays Referral Comissions Directly to Your eGold account.the FASTEST funding on the net. www.fastgold.net Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE INFORMED!!!http://www.e-told.com/?157585 for all of your internet shopping needs visit my mallwww.multiplexmall.com/js1460 God Bless You and Yours,James Shupperd Contact me anytimeICQ # 99212386 Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd - Original Message - From: Destiny Worldwide To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] OSGOLD I am a little sceptical of OSGOLD myself, mainly because of how I was introduced to it. I was doing a little gambling in a stupid game called Cash Over Time
[e-gold-list] Fw: be careful using paypal.com (fwd)
I thought I had lost these messages, but there was a lot of discussion some time ago about Paypal problems, and some MM's have been burned by them, as have we. Also, George had expressed interest in this. While this was deleted from my computer by accident, I found this on one of hte other computers in the office here, so enjoy the Paypal horror stories, and don't use them. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Offshorearnings.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Fw: be careful using paypal.com (fwd) Take a look at the ATM offshore cards, (no I.D. required) and get cash out of any cirrus ATMs, go to www.offshorearnings.com and check it out for your self. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: be careful using paypal.com (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:01:21 +1300 Subject: be careful using paypal.com From: "Jeremy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] got this from another mailing list: PAYPAL latest PayPal is in deep doo doo for freezing people's accounts claiming they are using the accounts in pyramid schemes (when the $5 PayPal gives you as a referral makes THEM a pyramid by the very definition state's currently use.) They are trying to play judge and jury and it is putting PayPal out to pasture. Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:19 AM Subject: Fwd: BOYCOTT PAYPAL NOW!!! CLASS ACTION SUIT PENDING Dear friends and Internet Marketers, We are now calling for a WORLDWIDE BOYCOTT of Paypal due to the fact that they have now frozen thousands of their customers accounts, including mine, and refuse to return our money. We are also in the process of starting a Class-Action Suit against them for their criminal actions. If you are anyone you know has had their account frozen, please join us in this case by contacting Gregory Lock, CEO iNetStar, Inc at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (iNetStar, Inc.) . 406-782-6526. Please pass this on to everyone on your lists. Thanks. After complaining to Paypal about freezing InetStar's Paypal account due to their judgement that it is an illegal pyramid scheme, they wrote me the following email to inform me that they have frozen my account. InetStar is no more of an illegal pyramid scheme than are Amway, Shaklee, Mary Kay, and other legitimate MLM companies. They are doing an injustice to all of us who are involved in network marketing online. If you are doing this type of business online and have a Paypal account, I suggest you close it immediately before they find out and freeze yours. Here is the email I received from them: Subj: Restricted PayPal Account Date: 11/14/00 12:10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Carl, You have been reported (multiple times) to PayPal for using your PayPal account for involvement, and recruitment of others, in a "pyramid" type scheme. This activity is illegal and defrauds other PayPal users. Using your PayPal account for activity that is illegal and improper is against our Terms of Use, which you agreed to when you opened your PayPal account. PayPal will not allow its services to be used in this manner. Your PayPal account has been frozen. If you feel that we are in error, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please refer to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341, or title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of Federal Regulations, Volume 16, Section 255 and 436. http://www.wco.com/~rteeter/pyramid.html http://www.impulse.net/~thebob/Pyramid.html Pseudo Multi Level Marketing: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/invest/mlm.htm Sincerely, PayPal Account Review Department Subj: PAYPAL EVIL WIDENS Date: 11/14/00 3:17:39 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (iNetStar, Inc.) To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PayPal is now freezing everyone's accounts who complains. If you complain about what they have done to your iNetStar money, they will accuse you of participating in a pyramid scheme and steal any money you have with them. I, as an American, wish to take this time to apologize to the rest of the world, for the ugliness, anti-freedom, and anti-American methods being used by PayPal. This loathesome beast is everything American business should NEVER be. Below is the form
[e-gold-list] New egold resources
Hello all, We are in the process of some major revisions to our websites, and some of these revisions will include resources of interest to people who use egold. Two new pages are already up, with more planned as soon as we can get the updates completed. The first update is to the Offshore Earnings site [the url is in my sig file below]. We have added two pages that will be of interest to many: 1. An offshore strategies page meant to stimulate your thoughts on the possibilities of doing business offshore and in privacy using your egold account and resources that we can provide. This page will answer many of your questions, including how to hook up your egold account for ecommerce, how to transfer money form your egold account offshore, and more. I think that many people will find this new page very helpful. 2. The other page is a Market Maker listing. Let me state form the outset that this is NOT an all inclusive list, but links to the exhaustive directories are provided. What this list does is give you a key to certain market makers that provide some specialized service with an offshore or global slant, aimed especailly at those people who want to move assets offshore or conduct business offshore. IN this connection, we have listed the two market makers that are truly international, and have also listed some that accept international credit cards, Western Union, EZCmoney, etc. We have also included an offshore market maker, and have included Gaithman's egold exchange because we have personal experience with them and their service has always been excellent. The fact that a MM is not included does not necessarily mean we think badly of them, only that we don't have experience with them or might have received in one or two cases some negative information. But this list is NOT an endorsement of anyone either, it is just a suggested list of those we feel our clients and the egold world will find useful. Also, this list is an ongoing work and will be updated form time to time. Our next major project is the long overdue total overhaul of Destiny Central on a different domain. The new revised Destiny Central will have an online/egold scam alert page that will allow people to place URL's of scamsters on the page direclty. We hope to couple this with a message board. These resources will be open to the public, but we have not yet decided whether anyone will be able to post, or only Destiny members. Other exciting things are coming along as well, including the revision of our Office Complex area, which has suffered a couple of years of benign neglect. We hope to revive the Office Complex with an egold and Offshroearnings slant. YOu could think of it as an egold and offshore cyber shopping mall plus office complex for professional practice and other things. I won't give out the url now because of the terrible shape the complex is in right now after the neglect, but as soon as it is remodeled, I will let you all know. I don't know of any other place on the net where egold related business will be enoucraged to set up shop! And you will be able to join the Office Complex for free if you become a member of our organization [and the yearly dues will be very inexpensive as well.] Until the next update, John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Offshore trusts
We do offshore trusts, IBC's, etc. The offshore trust has been attacked lately by many tax authorities, so it may not be as good as it used to be. If you are dealing with a large amount of money, an offshore foundation might do better, or a hybrid trust and IBC model. If it is a small amount of money, our foundation grant program, otherwise known as our offshore savings and investment accounts, might be the thing. You can send us information about who you want your heris to be, and the grant accounts will pass to them immediately upon your death or other conditions you set forth. This whole thing is an administrative function within our own foundation, and you do not technically own the property OR have an offshore bank account or investment account in your name, so you can truthfully say on your tax returns that you do not have a foreign bank account or investment account. For further details, look a thte language of the grant on our website, accessibel by a link from the bottom of the account application. Let me know if you have further questions. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Interesting Respons to My Rant
The responses via private email to my rant against SR and BB have all been positive, except for one. I have been around long enough to not believe in coincidences anymore. Within HOURS of my rant, I received an email from BB [I will not disclose the agency at this point, does it matter?]. Is this just a coincidence, or was this a result of a spy at SR who was outraged at what I said? Or is there a government stooge on this list [probably]? How interesting. this almost VERIFIES what Dale Pond said about spies at SR. Maybe even their principals don't know, or maybe this is their defense against freedom loving competition. So, was this nasty note from BB a coincidence, or a result of my posting here? You can make up your own mind. Well, I have this message for the imbicilic government stooge and lacky who sent me an email: WE ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY YOU. Get a life, bother someone in your jurisdiction who cares what you think! I will use my freedom of speech to say whatever I please regardless of what you or other jerks like you think! John -It's FINALLY HERE!-- The financial resource you've been waiting for! Internet based OFFSHORE BANKING that gives you high rates of interest [up to 15%/yr.] and the flexibility to pay bills through the net and send and receive money through the net. Debit cards also available! Much more! Find details at http://www.offshorearnings.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Comments on egold sale
WE have noted the comments about our egold sale and want to add our 2 cents worth. 1. WE did some checking on our customer and do not believe that they are involved in anything illegal. 2. we do not believe in the current know your customer rules and support the old fashioned values of financial privacy. this means that our client's financial affairs are NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, unless it becomes obvious that they are invovled in fraud or something dishonest, in which case their accounts will be closed immediately. 3. WE strongly agree that someone is innocent until proven guilty. It is obvious that BB has brainwashed most of society into accepting its bullshit. Unlike Standard REserve, we don't want to know who our customers are. This crap started a few years ago,a nd unless people start putting their foot down and say YOU MAY NOT INVADE MY PRIVACY, we will soon not have any privacy left. If you want to receive articles every week on these issues, we invite you to subscribe to our newsletter Offshore Destiny. OUr vision of the future is really a return to the past, where there was trust between banker and customers, and privacy in financial matters. Eventaully, even mainstream so called businesses will catch on to this concept, and when enough people tell the government NO, there will be nothing they can do but comply with our wishes. Use encrypted email. Get yoruself out of the onshore banking system, and live free. Don't sell yourself back into slavery. To subscribe to this ezine, send your subscriptionrequest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a final comment, I will not sit silently any longer and let ourselves be insulted with little insinuations and digs. ONe party on this list who was promoting his product recently said that he doesn't offer totally anonymous debit cards because he doesnt' believe in them and is skeptical about them. He then insinuated that the only people who would use this were criminals. What a bunch of horseshit! Since when is someone who simply doesn't want the government's or anyone else's nose in their busuiness automatically a criminal? How far have we fallen from the values of personal privacy to even allow ourselves to entertain such ludicrous and imbicilic notions? I guess it's the work of the government run youth propaganda camps, otherwise known as the public schools that have implanted such drivel into our minds. I am dedicated to fighting for privacy and freedom in anyway that I can and in giving people the tools to give the finger to BB should they choose. We have those tools now, and we will explain to people exaclty how to use them to their full advantage on a new page on our website coming soon. Folks, whether you are aware of it or not, we are in a WAR -- THE WAR AGAINST BB! In order to win this war, we must do something EACH AND EVERY DAY to enhance not only our own freedom, but to widen the circle of freedom wider and to educate people about this problem. Government is never the solution to a problem, IT ALWAYS IS THE PROBLEM! Who starts all the wars for personal gain and spills innocent blood worldwide for petty reasons of greed, ego, and vanity? Who murders millions upon millions of people? Who tries to control your live every way they can? Who wants to put a microscope up your ass and a microchip in your hand to monitor [literally] every move you make? This is the future, folks, unless we put a stop to it now! Putting your money and other assets beyond the reach of BB is one of the biggest strikes for freedom you can make. My suggestion to everyone is that they get rid of all tangible assets in the power of BB, and then transfer the liquid assets that result down some rat hole so deep that BB will never find it. If enough of us do this, and if enough of us stop aiding and abetting the thief who steals in the name of taxes [ALL TAXATION IS THEFT, AND IMMORAL], BB will run out of gas and simply wither away. The government's so called war on drugs is really a WAR ON YOU AND YOUR FREEDOM! wAke up to this today, and declare a private war of your own -- A WAR ON BB! Do it today, for your sake, and the sake of your children, because if you don't take a stand RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, there may be no tomorrow, unless you are willing to DIE for your freedom. Right now you don't have to die, you just have to vote with your money and your feet. Tomorrow may be a different story. Sorry for this rant, but I am fed up with the snide remarks that have been directed towards us and our stand for privacy. So, should you give SR your SSN or other government issued piece of crap? NO WAY! John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list
[e-gold-list] Warning About Fatboss Casino
This is just a warning about another shysterous operation using egold. A while ago, I transferred a small amount of egold into the Fatboss Casino to have a little fun. ONe thing quickly became apparant: their software is either defective or intentionally set to cheat the player. I was winning, but it refused to credit my winnings to my account. Disgusted, I emailed their support, and I got back a message telling me to do what I had done already, to no avail. I emailed again, to which I received no response until I threatened to spread the word far and wide about their defective software. Their reply was to simply repeat the previous message. Totally disgusted, I tried to get my money back, but it was only at this point that I was informed that there are NO REFUNDS OF MONEY YOU PUT INTO YORU CASINO ACCOUNT! IN other words, THEY ARE OUTRIGHT STEALING PEOPLE'S MONEY ANDREFUSING TO REFUND MONEY THAT HASN'T BEEN PLAYED! I suggest you stay away form this operation. The least they can do is to refund peoplle's money. I don't play around with casinos muc, but when I do, I expect to be able to cash out every dime that is in my account. When this is not the case, the casino needs ot put a BIG BOLD WARNING ON THEIR WEBSITE. They don't, of course, because they realize that they will dirve away all potential customers. I told Fatboss that I was going to spread the word far and wide about their dishonest operation. They can consider this message the first installment on that threat. Egold does not need scam operators like this. If you are going to run a casino or other business using egold, you should at least be fair with yoru customers. Many people in the egold community are honest comapnies, forwhich I am grateful. But these con artists give everyone in egold a black eye. I enocurage members of this list to forward the truth about this casino to any of your friends who like to play games ont he internet for fun. And as a final note, I beleive that an egold BBB would be a great idea, as was discussed earlier. Anyone know of an HONEST casino accepting egold? John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] large transfer
We have a client you would like ot sell 100K worth of egold. IN the past, we woudl have just done an outexchange from Omnipay, but we will not do that anymore. If anyone wants part or all of this let us know, and how you can pay. Thanks, John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] update on wires
OUr bank reports that the missing $20.00 was subtracted by Omnipay's bank. Perhaps this is a new policy, but Omnipay should say something aobut this, otherwaise all in exchanges will cme up $20.00 short. The second thinkg I learned today is that apparantly the bank OMnipay is using has recently changed the way they handle wire transfers. The result has been that the bank has misplaced upwards of 300+ wires. OMnipay's wires are in this batch. Apparantly the feds are investigating the problem at the bank, it is so serious, and there is, according to my source, a lot of lawsuits resulting form the bank's screw up. I dont' know why Omnipay just can't inform people of its problems and tell people what they can do to help resolve them, rather than waiting for cusotmers to become so frustrated they have to threaten to sue to get attention. This is the last wire I will send to Omnipay for a long, long time and my agent applicaiton is on indefinite hold. They really need to communicate better with customers. I was also informed that they are financially sound. John !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com+)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Paypal Nightmare
We are having our own Paypal nightmare, and we have stopped accepting Paypal effective last week. There is a class action lawsuit against Paypal that those of you burned byt he service may consider. I have the info. somewhere on my computer if anyone is interested. ONe thing you can do is to tell your customers to process a chargeback against Paypal, explaining that the merchant's acocunt has been fraudulently frozen and that he cannot get access to the money so he can't deliver the merchandise orderd. ONce the sustomer has the funds back on his CC, you can just have him either send the money another way, or sign up for another Paypal like service. I told these scum that I was going to have my cusotmers do this, but they still have not responded even to that message. I just hope my custmers have been successful witht the chargebacks. I think they were because I have not had any cmplaints. I did not know that Paypal could actually overdraw your bank accunt rhoguh a reversal thoug. However, we have Paypal trumped, I hope, int hat we are offshroe and have transferred ALL of the money offshore from the desitnation bank account, leaving the desitnation bank acocunt with basically a zero balance. we now will not use that bank account for anything else for at least six months. I cannot imagine what gives Paypal the legal right to siphon money out of an acocunt into overdraft. It seems to me that a few good lawsuits whould pt the brakes on it. If you want ot give Paypal or Monipay a wake up call, sign up for Prepaid Legal services and then you can have them contacted with a lawyer right in their own back yard, and if you have to sue you get a disocunt on legal fees. I had that service for over five years while I was in the states and NOBODY was able to take advantage of me for long, becuase I sicced the lawyer on the bastard right away. You might hate lawyers, but when someone is trying to defraud you, that is a good choice. By the way, 2700.00 is within the small claims court limits in California, which is where I beleive Paypal is located. You shoudl sue them for the principle, court costs, and punitive damages. If enough people do this Paypal will either die or be forced to change their unethical behavior. Another plus is that once you get a reputation for not putting up with BS, you are not taken for a ride as often, or the ride ends soon and with an apology. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fw: GoldMoney in the UK Press
Well, now there is a real alternative to egold coming online, and high time too. Let's hope they pay attention to customer needs. It seems like Omnipay has forgotten customer service, and if they continue to abuse customers like they have us and a few others on this list, they are doomed. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Geoffrey Turk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: GoldMoney in the UK Press FYI...GoldMoney.com gets mentioned in the Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003935595802322rtmo=3SYHSYwMatmo=rrr qpg=/et/00/12/3/cagold03.html Gold becomes a cyber currency By Edward Simpkins THE oldest medium of exchange moves online this month with the launch of GoldMoney.com, an internet currency provider that will allow users to pay for products anywhere. GoldMoney, based in the Isle of Man, says it has developed an e-commerce payment system that enables global buyers and sellers to make and accept instantaneous payments in weights of gold called GoldGrams. A GoldGram represents a gram of gold held in vaults with the system working on the principle that users transfer gold from buyer to seller without it leaving the vault. The current price of a GoldGram can be checked on the web site in various currencies. The gold price has been falling, but the company points out that while a GoldGram would have fallen in value against the yen, it would have risen in value against the euro over the past year. The system, aimed at corporations and cross-border traders, is designed to eliminate payment risk as there is no possibility of default on payment and it uses high strength encryption software, downloaded by account holders. Payments are processed in real time with funds transferred instantly. It also offers low transaction fees of about $1 per transaction, much less than bank fees for wiring currency. GoldMoney is backed by Hyde Park Holdings, a New York investment group, which put in $600,000 earlier this year and is set to invest a similar amount. James Turk, founder of GoldMoney, said: "We are taking the world's oldest money, gold, and using a 21st century technology to enable its circulation as a currency in global commerce." He aims to make it the common currency of global commerce. The World Gold Council, based in London, will this week publish a report on using gold for payments over the internet. It points out that digital money will eventually become widely used and could be issued by private institutions rather than governments and central banks. Richard Rahn, author of the report, says: "Like the US dollar, gold is recognised worldwide as a store of value. This makes digital gold a candidate as an international medium of exchange. The pre-existing demand for gold assets gives gold an important head start over all competitors except major national currencies." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] NOTICE OF IMPENDING LEGAL ACTION
Well, now Omnipay is playing the same game with our incoming wire transfer [as well as an outgoing one earlier this month] as they have played with others on this list. The thing to do in situaitons like this is to let them no that we will not put up with their BS anymore. We were dealing with a bank here that was playing simillar games, and we listened to their lame excuses and put up with their non repsonses for about six months before pulling the plug. that situation taught us not to tolerate this type of bullshit at all. So, we are sending Omnipay a certified letter, return receipt requested, giving them five days to rectify this problem before legal action is taken. This is the first step in suing someone, and we are doing this reluctanctly. We have been with egold for a long time, and have used their service successfully for quite some tiem, but they have to learn that they cannot conduct themselves in this way and get away with it. This can probably be resolved in small claims court, and they will have to pay all of our expenses related to the lawsuit even if this goes to regular court. It coud easily cost them much more than the amount in dispute. We also invite others on this list who have had simillar problems to contact us immediately, as we will also discuss with our lawyers the possibility of turning this into a class action lawsuit. Egold/Omnipay must learn that there are consequences for this bullshit, and the thousands of newsrealeases will will send to major media outlets aroudn the world should flood their switchboard and email box with requests from the media and others. we will release these newsreleases on the sixth day after they have recieved the letter. If they refuse to sign for the letter, that will also trigger these actions without any further notice to them. I don't care if I have to spend thousands or hundreds of thousands to go after them for this small amount, it is the principle that matters most to me. I would hope that those respnsible at Omnipay woud rectify this situaiton immediately, and make all of this nastiness unnecessary. There is no reason on this earth to put up with this abuse, and we won't. below find attached our letter of demand: DW GLOBAL, SA December 1, 2000 Mr. James M. Ray G SR/ Omnipay 175 E. Nasa Blvd., Suite 300 Melbourne, FL 32901 USA Dear Mr. Ray: FINAL NOTICE OF IMPENDING LEGAL ACTION It pains me greatly to write this letter, however, it appears that the only way to make you people pay attention is to hit you over the head with a baseball bat, so that is what we are doing. On Nov. 22, 2000, we sent you a wire transfer for $1,000.00 to our egold account #101851. Our confirmation of the wire transfer from our bank is attached. As you see, the wire instructions included our account number and batch number. Wires we send from this bank generally take at the most about two days, but we waited a week to see if you had received it before we attempted to contact you via email. I am a subscriber to the egold discussion list, and I have heard of you giving people the run around for two or three months by simply refusing to answer their inquires, answer the phone, or faxes. This is your notice that we have no intention of playing these games with you, but intend to take immediate legal action. This shoddy level of customer service is certainly no way to run a business, and it makes me wonder about your solvency. If you hold outgoing wires for a couple of weeks, which happened to us in the beginning of November, and hold all incoming wires for an extra long period of time, we are aware that you can cover a lot of financial insolvency. We are not sure if this is the problem, or just plain incompetence, and, frankly, we no longer care. This serves as our official demand that you either credit our egold account immediately or refund our money. If you do not communicate with us and take one of these actions within five days of your receipt of this formal notice, your next communication form us will be from our attorney, informing you that legal proceedings are pending. We may even have the attorney take a survey to see if others want to form a class action lawsuit against you for unjustly holding their incoming and outgoing wire transfers, thereby defrauding your clients of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. We suggest that you rectify this matter immediately to prevent the above actions, as well as all of the negative publicity that will arise from this, as we will send news releases to media outlets around the world concerning this endemic problem with your system. Sincerely, M. John Allen, President !!!Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,deposits, and withdrawals! Go to:
[e-gold-list] Re: Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you might not noitice
!!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Glencannon Group Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]; e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you might not noitice I generally don't like to talk bad about people, but this fellow is full of shit. I never spoke ill of whoever "Destiny Worldwide" is and I have no particular problems with their system as I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT. Now a little less than a month I asked if people would be interested in this, and I would put it together. This is waht I have done. I don't appreciate the tone of this message, but I will let people judge for themselves. I do not claim that this is ANONYMOUS, and I do not claim it is a high security vehicle. If that is what you want and need, contact me and I'll give you some advice. I do not advise the use of ANONYMOUS accounts as most of these are run by crooks who either run off with the funds inthe Excuse me, this is issued by the largest bank in thier jurisdiction. If you can start calling people names, then so can I. I think, though, if people will compare your pitiful little website with ours they will see a big difference. We have spent money and time to develop ours, along with a functional database, etc. Yours accounts, or get caught because they are breaking the laws in the jurisdiction in which they operate. But the fact is that this asshole has chosen to promote his product, which may be very fine, by attacking mine with false and misleading comments. I will address these pissant comments below: I will answer your points below. I have not attacked anything, just pointed out the facts. Sorry if this hurts your sales. And since our card is issued by the LARGEST BANK in their jurisdiction, what's the problem? YOU ARE THE GUY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY A COMPANY CARD THAT BY CONTRACT BELONGS TO YOU! On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:05:41 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote: I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but since Glencannon pointed out what he thought was a problem with our system, let me pount out a couple with his. 1. His website states that he is in Belize, yet he gives an address in Texas to mail the applications. Obviusly, then, the address in Belize is a maildrop. What this means is that when you send yoru documents to him, they are sotred onshore, where BB can seize them anytime they want. Your identity is not safe! The mail drop is in Houston, and documents are forwarded to me wherever I may be, Belize, the Dominican Republic, or sometimes Houston. But no doubt, Oh, so if there is a problem, don't bother looking for you because you are on the lam -- er.. on the go all the time. It's is obvious that this is a one man show. We, on the other hand, are an established company with offices, employees, etc... there is a possibility of interception. I never claimed this was some kind of safe way to do "money launderying." If that is what you need you might Who said anything about money laundering? That is a viscius ad homanim argument and a logical fallacy. People can send orders to a place where we really are. Anyway, there is no proof that this is a maildrop, just your word. And no one knows if you are really the globetrotter you claim, or just some guy working in his basement in Houston. want to go elsewhere. What I am providing is a convenient way of giving a service. Take it or leave it. Yeah, real conventient. And THEIR CARD IS IN YOUR COMPANY NAME! How convenient for you! 2. Same for the bank. If the bank they are ever using rolls over and rats you out, then you are screwed. The only way to prevent this is if the bnak does not know who you are. This is utter Bullshit, but would go for any bank out there. This bank in particular is a very safe and sound bank in a very safe and sound jurisdiction. I have been doing business with it and others in this jurisdiction, and it will no more "rat you out" than the rat who wrote this email. that's what people thought with Guardian Trust, too, but if the bank doens't know who you are, then they CAN'T RAT ON YOU, CAN THEY? Even if the jurisdiction changes it's laws under OECD or FATF preassure. So, you have this guy's assurances versus the FACTS! 3. What are his fees for the transfers from egold to the card? He does not disclose this, but our fees are clearly stated on our website. If you are just transferring from egold to the card, then you will look in the passthrough category of our fee shcedule, plus add the wire transfer fe
[e-gold-list] Re: Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you might not noitice
I heartily agree. I refraim form this type of thing most of the time, but when attacked and called an ashole, it is hard to resist. I have found most of the people I deal with introduced to me frm egold to be great people to work with. That's why I was surprised by the vritriol in the other guy's post. I promise to stop this. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]; e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Re: Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you might not noitice Both of you. I do not think this is an appropriate discussion board for a personal bun fight. None of this will enamour customers to your cause. You don't have to prove yourself right by proving someone else wrong. I suggest you kiss and make up Your customers are watching you Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 - Original Message - From: "Destiny Worldwide" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you might not noitice !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: Glencannon Group Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Destiny Worldwide [EMAIL PROTECTED]; e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you might not noitice I generally don't like to talk bad about people, but this fellow is full of shit. I never spoke ill of whoever "Destiny Worldwide" is and I have no particular problems with their system as I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT. Now a little less than a month I asked if people would be interested in this, and I would put it together. This is waht I have done. I don't appreciate the tone of this message, but I will let people judge for themselves. I do not claim that this is ANONYMOUS, and I do not claim it is a high security vehicle. If that is what you want and need, contact me and I'll give you some advice. I do not advise the use of ANONYMOUS accounts as most of these are run by crooks who either run off with the funds inthe Excuse me, this is issued by the largest bank in thier jurisdiction. If you can start calling people names, then so can I. I think, though, if people will compare your pitiful little website with ours they will see a big difference. We have spent money and time to develop ours, along with a functional database, etc. Yours accounts, or get caught because they are breaking the laws in the jurisdiction in which they operate. But the fact is that this asshole has chosen to promote his product, which may be very fine, by attacking mine with false and misleading comments. I will address these pissant comments below: I will answer your points below. I have not attacked anything, just pointed out the facts. Sorry if this hurts your sales. And since our card is issued by the LARGEST BANK in their jurisdiction, what's the problem? YOU ARE THE GUY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY A COMPANY CARD THAT BY CONTRACT BELONGS TO YOU! On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:05:41 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote: I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but since Glencannon pointed out what he thought was a problem with our system, let me pount out a couple with his. 1. His website states that he is in Belize, yet he gives an address in Texas to mail the applications. Obviusly, then, the address in Belize is a maildrop. What this means is that when you send yoru documents to him, they are sotred onshore, where BB can seize them anytime they want. Your identity is not safe! The mail drop is in Houston, and documents are forwarded to me wherever I may be, Belize, the Dominican Republic, or sometimes Houston. But no doubt, Oh, so if there is a problem, don't bother looking for you because you are on the lam -- er.. on the go all the time. It's is obvious that this is a one man show. We, on the other hand,
[e-gold-list] egold and debit cards
!!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- WE have already been offering totally anonymous debit cards which you can fund through us using egold if you choose. OUrs costs alittle more but these are totally nubmered acocunts. YOu can also fund these cards yourself thorugh wire transfer, but by passing the funds through us or thorugh a withdrawal form our offshore online savings acocunts, you can move the money in total secrecy. You can make deposits and withdrawals to and from your online savings using egold, and is the cheapest and fastest way to make deposits and withdrawals from your account. chuch us out at: http://www.offshorearnings.com John From: e-gold Discussion digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gold Based Debit Card From: David Hillary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:34:02 +1100 X-Message-Number: 1 Certianally, let me know about this service. I don't quite understand what exactly it is tho: is it cash debit cards from a single cash bank account, and you then, as a service, fund each transaction by a spend from the card holders e-gold account into your or the company e-gold account, then at the end of each day/week whatever, fund the total cash debits from a single exchange of e-gold for cash? If its the latter I am keen to know more about it! David Hillary "Glencannon Group Ltd." wrote: I have been thinking of setting up an E-Gold based Debit Card Service. That is you would be able to fund your debit with deposits into a companies e-gold account, who would then turn around and fund debit card with cash. The reason I am thinking of doing this is that is would be cheaper for me to do one wire for the equivalent of 10 or more transfers, than it would be for you to do one wire transfer to an account. Everyone could do this on their own, but it would also involve a huge loss of confidentiality and a great loss. I have a bank that will issue virtually unlimited debit cards off of my basic commercial acount. These cards are considered "employee" accounts and are easy to set up. If there is any interest, please let me know so that I can explore further. Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Paypal
Well, shortly after I said we had never had a problem with Paypal, we did! Someone tried to defraud us by giving Paypal a bad credit card number. Fortunately, the spend into egold was not completed because of one of our security measures, which I will not share with the group for obvious reasons in case the con artist is lurking on this list. Because of this close call, and the fact that it takes Paypal around two weeks to catch on to these crooks, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY IF YOU TRANSFER MONEY TO US THROUGH PAYPAL AND THE SOURCE OF FUNDS IS A CREDIT CARD, THERE WILL BE A 16 DAY HOLD ON THE FUNDS SO DEPOSITED. If the source of funds is money in your Paypal account or a bank transfer, we will accept it on our old terms. It is fortunate that Paypal now tells the source of funds or this would have to apply to all transactions. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
